May 26, 2025 • 42 mins
The Knicks taking game 3 and keeping the Eastern Conference Finals alive. Colin lays out the biggest changes to NFL teams, holding that it's a coaches and quarterbacks league and giving nods to the Titans and Bears.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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And thank you for all joining us. A lot of
choices on a Monday, Jmac. The one team on this
NBA slate that you've always been a fan of his
the New York Knicks. And they were in a rough,
rough spot at about eight thirty Central where I'm this
last night. They were getting blown out and then something
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magical happened. You must field. We had a series today. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Tom Thabodeaux pressed the right buttons at the right time,
and the Knicks are back in the series.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Coward, let's go all right. They were down oh two,
they were on the road, down twenty points. Their star
was in foul trouble Jalen Brudson. It was one of
those what kind of man are you? Games? And Carl
Anthony Towns. Two things happened. Number one, Karl Anthony town said,
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I'll show you what kind of man I am. I'm
going to single handedly take over the fourth quarter. Listen
the dude he has quarters like this. He averages twenty
three a game in his career. When he was in
his prime, Karl Anthony Towns always ended up near the
top of those GM surveys they do. Who would you
start a franchise with? He doesn't play any defense, He's
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a little quirky, but he can dominate games. I've been
to three or four games where he was playing, and
he was the best player on the floor at some
point in all those games. So, and the second thing
that happened, and this does not happen very often for
the Pacers, they lost their way offensively. So Halliburton end
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of the third quarter, beginning of the fourth. So in
the third beginning of the fourth, about four and a
half minutes he was on the bench. In that time,
a fifteen point lead evaporated to four. And then he
comes back in and they just never quite felt the
same again Indiana. It's hard to get them off their
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offensive game. But even when the Knicks were down four, three,
two points, it felt like they were in control. So
the Pacers are a rhythm team and that they have
the fastest pace in the league, and they get out
of their rhythm and all of a sudden, you had
Nie Smith and other guys. McConnell trying to run the
offense is like, bro that that's not it. This is
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Aliburton's offense. They lost their quarterback. They only shot thirty
six percent in the second half at home and shot
forty two percent. That's the worst half of basketball for
the Pacers. And just to give you in the playoffs,
to give you another example, it flashed on the screen
at one point in the first half, they had fourteen
fast break points. They were running the Knicks out of
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the arena. In the second half total two fast break points.
Haliburton sits they lose their rhythm. He comes back in,
tries to kick start it and he never could. And
what did we talk about last week? Whoever controls the
tempo is going to win the games and or the series.
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And the Knicks compressed it, slowed it down. And also
in this matters, the Knicks hit their last fifteen free throws.
I know that's not a glamorous headline, but remember Game one,
the Knicks had control and they were missing free throws.
Open the door. This was the opposite they were controlling
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tempo in Game one, they lost tempo, miss free throws.
Here late they controlled tempo, hit free throws, and so
they were a better roaded team than they were a
home team. The road team has won every game in
this series. So the nixt slowed it down, hit the freebies,
and I thought their defensive rotations were much better, especially
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when you had once Haliburton sat down for that stretch.
And you see this in football all the time. You
have momentum, you have a bad series, you have a fumble,
there's a turnover, and you can never find the momentum. Again,
it's hard. Momentum matters, and especially matters in playoff games.
So we have ourselves a series the Knicks blue Game one,
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it kind of felt like they stole Game three, Indiana
felt like the better team in Game two. We've got
a series and here's TIBs basketball.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I know you guys like roll your eyes when they
say no lead is safe. But no lead is safe
because I think with the three point shot, people make
up ground quickly. Pace the game, make up ground quickly.
You see comebacks all the time, and if you let
up just a little bits, that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
So you just do not see the Pacers very often
lose their way offensively. But that four and five minute
stretch where Halliburton left and you just saw the lead shrink.
He came back in, he sort of righted the ship.
He hit a three. It felt a little better. But
by that point the Knicks had growing confidence. And it
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should also be noted Kat did a lot of his
damage with Jalen Brunson on the bench, which we'll get
to after the commercial. Okay, so this is a story
you may be wondering. I don't think it's going to
make a big deal either way. But Aaron Rodgers, according
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to Jeremy Fowler, there are people in the NFL, and
Jeremy Fowler works at the ESPN very good reporter. He
is saying, there are people in the NFL many that
believe Aaron Rodgers is waiting on Minnesota. I don't know
that to be true, but I will say this, Aaron
loves to make people think he's a mystery and the
media can't figure him out. And he does that because
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it invalidates us, and we're the one group of people
he can't control. He's worshiped by football people, he's loved
by teammates, the one group he can't control us, and
so he wants to invalidate us. And he's not JD. Salinger.
It's not that mysterious. The Steelers are a shaky fit,
and Aaron knows it. He doesn't want to offend Mike Tomlin.
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It may be if he wants to play his best spot.
But they can't figure out offense. I've done over this
a million times. They're toned af to offense. They just
they I think they're now making moves just to make moves.
Let's just off George Pickens and let's get a pick
and let's overspend for DK Metcalf and they're just making
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moves to make moves. So there are reports, and I
don't care about his personal life. That Aaron's personal life,
he's going through some turbulence. You wish him well. I
don't want to get into any speculation there, but I
just think Aaron is too smart to think the Steelers
are a good fit. The O line's been a wreck
for years. The oh coordinator position they've run through him.
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They lost Naugie Harris, their left tackle. And by the way,
it does matter. He went from Green Bay, which has
always had an offensive culture. They always get quarterback right,
they always have offensive coaches, they always have good offensive lines.
Green Bay does offense right and they've been doing it
right for thirty years. Pittsburgh does defense right. And the
only two times they've done offense right they had Terry
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Bradshaw on Big Ben and in between that, they're not
the same franchise. They win games, they don't win big games.
And that's what Pittsburgh's going through right now. They've been
a bottom ten total offense six years in a row,
and that's hard to do. And you look at the
two New York franchisees, and Carolina's a bad offense in
this league and the Bears. So the Vikings makes a
ton of sense. Great brilliant offensive head coach and play caller.
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They play indoors. He knows the division they have justin Jefferson.
They upgraded their offensive line in the offseason. There's also
a story that's interesting. So Aaron was apparently on some
podcast and said, when asked about the Saints, because we
don't know exactly what the Saints are doing. Is it
going to be is Spencer Rattler?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And Aaron Rodgers was quoted saying, yeah, I'm too old.
I don't want to live in Louisiana. Sorry. So what
that means is where Aaron plays matters to Aaron, he
is thinking about it. He doesn't want to live in
New Orleans. So that's another reason indoors knows the division NFC.
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He moved over to a defensive culture plan outdoors in
the North Northeast with a Jets, and it was a mess.
Aaron doesn't want to do that again. So and Jeff
Pearlman came on last week. He wrote a book about
Brent Farv, and Aaron was all through the book and
Farv didn't treat Aarin very well. And I grew to
kind of respect what Aaron had to go through. But
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he made a point about where Aaron's played, and the
fit is really crucial when you consider Aaron's personality.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
They just think over time, especially being in a small
Midwestern town surrounded by the Midwestern quaintness of Green Bay.
I think Aaron Rodgers really started to believe I'm the
smartest guy in the room. I know everything. I am
very intelligent. I know more than the coaches, I know
more than my teammates, I know more than this fan base.
And again, if you can contain that in Green Bay, Wisconsin,
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it's one thing you're treated as a guy, but once
you go national, once you go to a different franchise,
it doesn't really play out that well.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It certainly didn't in New York. Now, the culture in
Pittsburgh is better than New York, but like the Jets,
they can't get offense right. So whether the story is
true or not, it makes a lot of sense. I've
said this. I think he was waiting for brock Perty's
contract to get signed that eliminated the Niners. I think
that was his first choice. His second choice was Minnesota.
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This is just a guest by me, but this story
comes out, and this is what I felt is Aaron's
too smart to think, you know, Pittsburgh is gonna work
for me. I don't think they're a game better if
he plays there. I don't. I think Pittsburgh now is
in the space where they're just making moves to make moves.
I don't know Dk Metcalf was overpaid. Pickens trade probably
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right once you acquire Dk Metcalf, But I didn't love
the offseason for the Steelers. J.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Mack.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
There's a lot of things going on today, Colin Wright,
Colin wrong. In fifty minutes. There was a story over
the weekend about Caitlin Clark's value to the WNBA. It
is I don't know if people understand this, like what
is happening, how popular she is. It's insane, and I
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think it is time. I like the fact that this
story was published, meaning WNBA coaches, players, executives can now
read her relevance, which is not only is it transcendent,
it's transformational to the league. How was your weekend?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
By the way, my weekend was excellent.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I ran into your friend Lebron yesterday at a volleyball
tournament out here in LA But if I could quickly
go back to Aaron Rodgers for a second, does he
totally want to be Brett Farv Jets then Vikings close
out the career.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Is that what he's.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Wanting to do, like copy Brett Farv. It is just
so embarrassing and pathetic. But I don't want to bash
Aaron Rodgers. He went through some stuff last week. I'm
sure you saw with an ex girlfriend kind of throwing
him under the bus for not being a nice guy.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Which should surprise nobody. But just disappointing stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Aaron. Come on, Yeah, we wish Aaron the very best
and the Steeler are the very best. Coming up now?
Next the information about how big Caitlin Clark is. It's
sort of staggering. Matt Hasselbeck stops by. I'm going to
give you my list of the four newcomers in the
NFL this year that will change outcomes. I think there's
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only four, only four people in the NFL that moved
and will changed outcomes. It's the hurt.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
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Speaker 1 (12:42):
Welcome back on this Memorial Day. Matt Hasselbeck calling right
and wrong in forty minutes. So a associate professor of
finance at Indiana University broke down the economic scale of
Caitlin Clark, who is just a phenomenon. So she generated
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last year twenty six and a half percent as a
rookie on a terrible team, twenty six and a half
percent of the economic activity in the league. Listen to
some of these numbers. Her stardom not slowing down. The
Fever averaged more than the Pacers did per game throughout
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the league. If she played in your town, attendance for
the league rose thirty percent. The valuation of the fever
ninety million dollars for the Fever before she arrived, now
three hundred and forty million. That's four times, four times
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valuation increase. Lebron didn't do that when he went back
to Cleveland. He certainly didn't do it going to Miami
or the Lakers. MJ didn't do that with the Bulls.
We're talking one player. She is Steve Jobs. She's taking
an insolvent company and turning it into a powerhouse. So
listen to this. WNBA merchandise exploded five hundred percent increase.
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That's one player. I mean literally half the merchandise in
the league. She's selling, So you better get comfortable with
the fact that if she comes to your arena, ticket
prices will jump one hundred and forty percent. She will
be more popular than your entire roster. So and my
take is, ride the wave, enjoy the fruits, be grateful
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you went commercial to private. Now we can go back
to fly in Spirit Airlines. But nothing kills team spirit
like flying spirit. So you got to come to grips
with it. She is not only transcendent, she is transformational.
She has changed the league. And Hollywood has always understood this.
The actors and the directors have always understood this. The
bigger the stars, the better the catering, egg rolls for everybody,
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chicken and beef options. So this is a whole different ballgame.
We're talking about these numbers. She is mission very possible.
What you are seeing now is I don't think I
don't even think the PGA with Tiger exploded like this.
I mean, these numbers are insane. And you know, I
was talking to a group of people last night that
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aren't sports fans, and they, you know, they asked, like,
how long will it last? And what do you make
of it? My take is, well, think about how deep
the reservoir of men's basketball talent is in the world.
I mean, you know, you can go to Spain, Lithuania,
you can go anywhere. You can go anywhere in the
United States, you can go to Portugal. There's talent everywhere
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in the world for men's basketball, and men's basketball has
been ahead of women's basketball. My entire life is that
we've never found a duplicate for Steph Curry. We never
have Nobody plays like him, nobody looks like him, nobody
shoots like him in women's basketball. And his greatest Curry
is he wasn't the best player in the league. He
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was the most transformational. People take shots now they wouldn't
have considered, but we've never found a duplicate in the
men's game for Steph Curry. The gap between Caitlin and
anything resembling her is Curry fourfold. So it's not going
to end. This is at the beginning of it. The
professor states that there's a chance she will have a
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billion dollar economic impact for the WUNBA this year. Again,
ride the waves. People enter your life all the time
and make it better. Thank them. J Mack with The
News no, no turns. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
All right, call, let's get started with a big story
out here in La Sho. Hey o'tani big appearance over
the weekend throwing live batting practice for the first time
since his left shoulder surgery. Otani only threw twenty two pitches.
There were five plate appearances to three batters. After the session,
Otani said, I haven't thrown in a while, so it
was nice to be able to feel like a pitcher.
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Obviously when he has thrown, I mean, hey, guy's incredible.
Now I'm curious, do you think this is the situation
where the Dodgers are.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Like, hey, we need Otani back.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I mean, they are only up one in the West
over the the Giants and Andres are closing in.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Listen, he's a great pitcher, so obviously he makes the
team better when he pitches. And they've had a ton
of pitching injuries. I think pitching injuries if you look
at Tommy John surgeries, they've skyrocketed in the last five
to ten years. It's an industry issue. But the Dodgers,
because they're such a big brand and talked about like
everybody looks at the Dodgers and they can't stay healthy.
There is no question that Otani. They want Otani available
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because I think part of the negotiations were he's gonna pitch.
If you add Otani, he would arguably be the ace
of the staff. And so I mean, they have some
good arms, but they've got guys who have been injured before,
like last known who they got from Tampa. So it's
I think you're gonna notice his value in August, September,
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and October. That's when all this will matter the most.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Totally. Let's let's get to the NBA where the Timberwolves
on Saturday night, what a beatdown on the thunder just
absolutely ran them out of the building one forty three
to one on one, I mean, Colin winning by forty
two points. I don't know how much of this you
watched it. The fourth quarter was unwatchable but interesting. Note
here Sga, the MVP of the league, was sitting on
the bench late in the game wearing a microphone. The
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broadcast caught him talking about the loss.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
They were more.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Physical earlier and they made.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Shots to do missus. And then on top of this,
they had a great night.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
We had a bad night.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
So it's that forty.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
But if we like take care of these, we could
salute because of this night.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
But it doesn't look like this. Well, you know what.
I was talking to my friend Jason Tim last night
at the voume, we talked about this. Of all the
teams remaining, I kind of feel like I get the
same team with the Knicks Homer Way, same team with
the Pacers home and away, same team t Wolves home
and away, OKAYC. Because of their youth, I don't feel
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like it's the same offense young players on the road
historically in the playoffs and rotational players, and they have
the deepest bench right and so when you look at
OKAC and the numbers validate this, they're not the same
offense away from home. They're the youngest team and the
deepest team. But those rotational guys, you know, we've talked
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about this. When you get to the playoffs, your stars
shine wherever. Your rotational guys are always better at home.
They're always more comfortable. They're often younger players or more
limited players. Okay see. I feel there is a gap
between homemade case okay see and road thunder.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
And listen, naz Reid goes home and can actually make shots.
I mean I think he put every three pointer in. Okay,
I will.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Say the one interesting angle here.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Is, you know I can understand you don't show up,
you lose by twenty Colin.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
This was almost like.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
A we're laying down, you know, we kind of give up.
Remember this happened against Memphis in Game three. They were
up two oh and Memphis goes up thirty, but then
Jah Morant got hurt and okay, see came back. So
I think you're onto something with this young team. Obviously,
tonight is the series. If okay se wins, it's over
up three one, it's got if minute. I vote A wins,
and I think they got a shot.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
At home, right yeah? There, well thunder or seven and
one at home with a lot of blowouts. We watched
them play Denver. There are three and three on the road.
We saw Denver give them problems up in Denver. Now
some of that maybe altitude. I think tonight's close. What
does it spread three or four points? I think it's
a go either way game. It's it's gonna be a
must watch fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I know the audience is gonna be upset after missing
on Game one in Boat series. I have not bet
or looked at a line since that. I'm like, I
don't get that. I don't understand how the Knicks loses,
how the timb rules are getting blown out.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
So I haven't looked at the line yet.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I'm not betting it, but I do think this is
another Anthony Edwards put the team on his back.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
He outscored OKC in the first quarter.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, in Game three and that was kind of like
a lights out moment Colin final story.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
This is adding to the Aaron Rodgers from earlier.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
How about this one? There are reports saying that Falcons
backup quarterback Kirk Cousins is on Pittsburgh's radar. The Falcons
got Cousins last year, and of course then drafted Pennix,
and Cousins is kind of like the odd man out there.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
It's gonna be Penick's team.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
The fact that this story is emerging on the same
weekend as the Aaron Rodgers maybe not going to Pittsburgh thing.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
I think there's some smoke here for sure.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I just don't know if Cousins is gonna work outdoors
in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I don't think that's a good match at all listen.
Tomlin appears to be safe. I think signed an extension
in the last year or too. Pittsburgh, if they listen,
When you have Lamar Jackson and Burrow in your division, okay,
those are two of the top five quarterbacks in the league.
You have to find a franchise quarterback. You can't keep
going out hammingeging it with Kenny Pickett and Will Howard.
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How do you get a franchise quarterback you win five
to six games and have a top eight pick. Pittsburgh
in my lifetime has been great twice. Bradshawn is prime,
Big Ben in his prime. Outside of that, they don't
win big games. They just do not, even with Tomalin
or Bill Kower Chuck Nole. So to me, this is
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the step back Yere and I think if you can
get into that six seven, you know you're still viable.
Your defensive win games, you're not trying to lose, but
you're limited. I would have no problem Pittsburgh just saying listen,
we're gonna go with these young guys. Get I mean,
it'd be one thing if you didn't have Lamar Jackson
ten times in the next five years minimum Burrow ten times.
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The next five years minimum.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, I like your idea of Hey, maybe you Ham
and nagget with Nathan Rudolph and Will Howard. Hey, why
don't you add instead of five six wins, go to
three four and trade TJ.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Watt.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Go get a bunch of picks, and you're set up
for and it's early what could be a great twenty
twenty six draft.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well, I don't want to trade TJ. Watt without getting
a guarantee back. The problem with I would trade TJ.
Watt if I could get the number one pick and
its Arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
There's no way, no, no, nobody's doing that.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But I'm I'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
What if you a potential contender, somebody who wants to
make the playoffs badly? Uh, you know, let's go Jacksonville,
Jackson Wills to think we'll give up our first or any.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Team you want.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I would consider moving off, moving off of what would
you not? Listen?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Listen?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Take quarterback out. You can move off virtually everybody except
a great left tackle. Like I'm not going to move
off Miles Garrett, but take quarterbacks out. You don't want
to move off a great left tackle. That here's the
insurance policy for your Star Wars. But we've seen Belichick
fire and Andy Reid fired. You can move off legendary coaches.
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We've seen Montana play for the Chiefs, Brady play for
the Bucks. Like the idea that getting older with that
with a handful of injuries, TJ. Watt can't be on
the market, Like, get over it. He's a great player
who would have massive value on the market. Not saying
you'd do it. You take calls for that. He's a
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great player. He's had multiple injuries.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Now he puy on Washington.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
They're gonna Washington could be a super Bowl team. I
don't know, you know, maybe they'll give up their first
next year. But I would just bought them out.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
I like your idea. I know that's a tough sale
to the fan base. That's a proud fan base. They
make the playoffs five hundred every year. That's irrelevant. You
want to be a contender. You got a bottom.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Outain Jamack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. So it
is a little bit instructive here that that Carl Anthony
Towns did his great work last night in the fourth quarter,
you know, and Jalen Brunson was not on the floor
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for a lot of it. So now I think the
Pacers are a better team. I think they get more
consistently easier looks on offense, and I think they're gonna
win a series. But the most interesting part in this
series for the Knicks is that it's not complicated to
see what they are and what they're not. It's right up.
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They're not pretty, they don't shoot the three particularly well,
and that Brunson and Cat often flourish when the others
off the floor. Your turn, No, it's your turn. No,
it's a your turn, my turn offense too often, and
they're both poor defenders, so well coached offensive teams pick
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on them. So I would move off a talented erratic Cat,
although I think he's talented because I don't think Brunson
and Kat on the floor. People just go after him
and bad defenders, and I think it also we know
what they're not, we know what they need. They need KD,
who is a catch and shoot player, which is very
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valuable because you're going to get Cat's points, You're going
to get twenty three to twenty five a game better defender,
and he can play complimentary basketball with Jalen Brunson. Cat
really doesn't. It's not all Cat's a bad guy. But
if you have him on the floor and Brunson, Brunson's
not big, he's not long, he's not a great defender, liability.
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So Brunson leaves and Cat's like, Okay, now it's my turn.
And not surprisingly, he's great because he's a gifted offensive player. Again,
he averages twenty three in his career. But Katie is
great without the ball in his hands. Katie is a
plug and play, catch and shoot player. He is better
defensively than Karl Anthony Towns. And I mean, you know,
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I mean think about this. When Karl Anthony Towns was
in Minnesota before or Ant arrived, he was at number
one scoring option. So Karl Antony Towns has a market.
He's gonna average twenty two points a game for somebody.
But I do think the Knicks, what you're seeing in
this series, it's a pretty simple. You could be a
basketball casual. They can't shoot the three consistently, KD. They
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need a star who doesn't need the ball in his
hands a lot KD. They need length. If they keep
Mitchell Robbinson and move off CAT. They need length KD.
They need a willing defender KD. They need a high
basketball IQ because Brunson Michale bridges, this is a smart
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basketball team and a pretty relentless coach KD. It all
fits like. And I listen, I go back when they
were beating Boston, and I'm like, I don't know if
they need KD. But playoffs are layers, they're steps. You know,
against Detroit, You're like, wow, why are the Knicks struggling
with Detroit? Because Detroit muddies it up and they had
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a hard time getting consistent baskets. And then you play
Boston in your defense befuddles them and brunts and is great,
and so you forget about that. But then they play
Indiana and you're watching and you're going, yeah, they kind
of need they need another shooter. And all these teams
now with the multiple aprons, they're all going to be
moving pieces. It is harder to move big pieces. But
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Cat's gonna market. I don't think Kean Brunson in playoff
basketball works. And if you're asking me everything, they need
catch and shoot, plug and play high IQ, hit a
three pointer if Kat leaves. They need length and a
willing defender. Every box is checked with KD. And let's
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be honest about Kat. The dude has value. You can't
tell me he doesn't. He is a I mean you
saw yesterday. He is a at times an unstoppable offensive player
who attacks downhill. And here's Kat after.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
So opportunity to utilize all those hours I'll put into
the gym, and the game wasn't looking great for me
as well, but for all of us, and I just
wanted to do whatever it takes to help put us
in a position to win.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, it's not a criticism. The guy's got a market.
This is pro sports. Michael Jordan finished with the Wizards.
You know, it's never pretty in the end. But Kat's
not in his prime, but he has quarters like last night,
and they're fairly regular. And by the way, I was
thinking about this, if if Jason Tatum is out for
the Celtics next year, and we don't even know what
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Cleveland is right now, right like, we're not sure what
Cleveland is. We know Indiana is gonna be good, but
they're gonna have a Miles Turner dilemma. They're not gonna
be able to keep him because they're gonna keep past
Gal Siakam. You have to. You're gonna keep Halliburton. You've
got a bunch of other rotational guys you like, They're
gonna probably lose Miles Turner, so they're gonna lose some
of their length. And Miles Turner matters for big teams.
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If Yanna stays in Milwaukee, it matters. So there's you
gonna be a lot of movement, a lot of little
pieces moving in New York. And I think this series
has really you can be a basketball casual, you know
what they need, and I think Katie checks all of
those boxes. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong twenty five minutes from
now coming up. The players who absolutely there's four maybe
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a coach, maybe a player that I think change outcomes
in the NFL. This is all based on the story
that came out today regarding the most valuable New plea
year player for every team in the league.
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Speaker 1 (30:59):
So I saw the morning a Bleacher Report had a
story where they gave every NFL team's best slash most
dangerous new addition to the football team. Some are obvious,
like Joey Bosa for the Bills. Obviously that he's going
to make a difference. He's going to make some big plays.
George Pickens to the Cowboys, I mean, they need another receiver.
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He may implode by week six, but whatever. I thought
it was funny that Jackson Dart was listed as the
giants Most Dangerous edition. I'm not sure he's going to play.
That shows you how bad the Giants are. I'm not
sure Jackson Dart's going to play much next year. But
to me, it's all about changing outcomes. You can say, oh,
this guy will be you don't know. There's four people.
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This is a head coach quarterback league. There's four people
and only four in my opinion, that will change outcomes.
Number one is cam Ward, Tennessee. They led the NFL
last year in turnovers. They were so hard to watch
offensive where even games they out played teams. Tennessee was
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so bad at quarterback with Will Levis and Mason Rudolph
that they lost games where they out physicaled, out schemed
and outplayed teams. That's why Brian Callahan was often so
frustrated with Will Levis. He knew he out schemed and
they out toughed and out physicaled and outplayed and out
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called teams and lost. Cam Ward is accurate, moves, coachable.
I mean, Miami's had some good quarterbacks. He broke all
the Miami records. He's a sixty seven percent completion percentage guy.
I think he's a really special player. I thought he
was easily the best quarterback in this class. And again
he's humble. He was a zero star recruit. There's a
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history of this league when guys come in without a
lot of stars and without a lot of pats on
the back, nobody's pandering to them. That's jet fuel. So
I think cam Ward changes outcomes. I think Tennessee is
going to be a playoff team to is Mike Rabel.
He never had a star quarterback in the AFC, had
a winning record. Three playoff appearances ended up one year
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with Ryan Tannehill being a number one seed. And listen,
New England has eight wins over the last two seasons,
what he did in terms of shoring up the lines
through the draft and through free agency. This is going
to be a much more physical team. It will be
in the footprint of his image. Drake May now goes
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to year two, and we know from watching Denver the
last couple of years, when you go from a coach
who's more of a coordinator Gerrodmeo, Nat Hackett to Sean
Payton or Rabel, you can argue that's a six to
a seven point difference. And if the Patriots had six
points a game more last year that it won nine
or ten games. So I think he's going to change outcomes.
I think Geno Smith. Listen, we can say what we
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want about Geno Smith. The Raiders were a tire fire offensively,
and he ranked top five in the NFL in passing
yards and completions. When you get we have Gino a
run game when Walker was healthy for Seattle, Geno play
action passing, big, strong, good arm and accurate. Now again,
if you speed him up like a Sam Darnold, he
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can be prone to mistakes and playing a little fast
and frenetic. Geno Smith is going to make this a
real offense especially when you add Ashton Gent They've already
got brought powers. I like their old line, Chip, Kelly,
Gino Smith will change losses to wins. And number four.
Maybe I'm being a homer, but I think it's Ben Johnson.
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This team offs ten of its last eleven games. It
was a circus last year and in the three years
as coordinator of the Lions, we know that Dan Campbell's
not a scheme guy. He's a culture guy. And we
watched Detroit the last three years and what did we
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all think? This offense is clever, This offense is creative.
That's not Campbell. Campbell's the barker, he's the volume, he's
the gravitas, bends the brains of the operation. So just
giving Caleb Williams upgrade oh line, a competent offensive coach
with vision and an offensive sentenceability from a defensive staff
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that fell apart, You're talking about a difference of winning
and losing games. So to me put them up, these
are the four people in the NFL and a head
coach in a quarterback league. These are the four that
will change outcomes. Cam Ward, Mike Vrabel, Gino Smith and
Ben Johnson. Okay, so this happened. Listen, there are certain
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Once people get over like fifty years old, you start
creeping up the fifty years old and you know, psychologically,
as people get older, they like less change. We all
become sort of creatures of habit over time. And college
foot has an older average fan base than pro football
or the NBA or soccer or UFC one of the
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older fan bases. Baseball's got an older fan base. That's
why they always they're screaming about changes, and college football
has a older fan base. Okay, so they don't like
a lot of these changes. But I read it this morning.
The twelve team college football playoff they voted on this Thursday.
The top four teams and the top four seeds will
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all get first round bys. Last year, Notre Dame wasn't
eligible for a first round by. Now the vote has
been changed Notre Dame and they should be are eligible.
This was all settled Thursday afternoon. The five highest rank
conference champs will still be guaranteed spots in the twelve
team field. It is much more, in my opinion, an
NFL model. That's what ESPN and Fox wanted, and I'm
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okay with it because college football and I love it
has always been like a great movie with a sloppy ending.
For years, sports writers voted on national Championship, and then
and then it was computers voting it. And now there's
too much sentimentality. You've got to have Indiana and you've
got to have smu in. Not really, No, we don't
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not really. They have no chance to win. So and
you've seen more of it recently. I've been on this
now for about a month about USC is willing to
play Notre Dame, but USC is like it's going to
be on our terms, and because they have a polarizing coach,
Lincoln Riley, people are pushing back. Just think about what
usc has gone through in the last couple of years.
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Their conference basically died, and so the only three teams
that remained were the three biggest rivals, cold Weather Washington,
cold Weather Oregon, and rival UCLA, the three teams they've
historically struggled with. Those are the only three that join them.
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The Cupcakes are gone no more Oregon State, cal Arizona,
no more Washington State, and those are all gone. Ys
Ducks and a team that's giving them trouble even in
lean years, the Bruins then they join the Big ten.
Penn State top ten team now Michigan. I think this
year rebounds top ten program. Ohio State could be the
best program now that Alabama slipped. And you know, keep
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your eye on Nebraska, keep your eye on you know,
there's always somebody surprising you in the Big ten. Illinois
this year will be good. So only their three toughest
rivals survive the Pac twelve. They join them in the
conference now that it's the biggest conference and they're all
cold weather. Penn State's cold weather, Michigan's cold weather. Why
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does it matter, Ohio State's cold weather, Washington cold weather,
Oregon cold weather? What's that matter? Even in the NFL,
we've never had a dome dynasty. We've had New England,
Green Bay, Kansas City, cooler temperature, San Francisco. Why it's
hard for dome and warm weather teams in January? Go
ask the Chargers and Dan Fouts to go into Cincinnati
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and four degrees or four below and win. We don't
have dome dynasties. We don't have warm weather dynasties. Marino
is one of the best quarterbacks ever. There was no dynasty.
You got the one Super Bowl we don't have dome
and warm weather dynasties in this league. And so I
think weather absolutely matters, absolutely matters. And so go look
at the Miami Dolphins with two of you don't think
weather matters. That's why the Northern teams generally draft quarterbacks
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big Ben and Bradshaw and Farv and Aaron Rodgers and
Joe Flack Brady. You want guys with big arms. And
so USC's world now is Oregon, Washington, Michigan, Ohio State,
Penn State. And if we go to the playoff, we're
facing three more bullies. We just don't want to squeeze
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a Notre Dame game into our November schedule, another cold
weather team every other year. We'd rather have a home,
warm weather game. I get it. USC, I've been told
from inside the building wouldn't mind playing Notre Dame. But
on their terms, of course, Notre Dame wants the game.
Notre Dame needs the game because they're not in a conference.
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That's why Notre Dame just signed a twelve year deal
with Clemson. It guarantees them a great game. They want
to sign the same thing with USC. Of course they
want it because they don't have Oregon and Washington, and
they're in state rival UCLA the City Champion, and then
Michigan and Ohio State and Penn State in Wisconsin. They
don't have that on the schedule. So of course Notre
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Dame wants, as an independent, a guaranteed ten twelve year contract.
So my take is USC doesn't need it. USC probably
quietly or not quietly, doesn't want it, and if they
do it, they're going to do it on their terms.
I totally support that. I've been told inside USC's building
they're willing to do it, but they're going to control it,
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not the team. Hey, if Notre Dame wants to play
them every year, come join the Big Ten. Fine. If
if you want to be austere and you're too good
for a major conference, this is the downside. You lose
leverage against USC. Here's Lincoln Riley talking about the changes
in college football.
Speaker 8 (41:10):
There are some changes that we've all just got to
accept because it's just part of it right now. Obviously
that continues to move and we'll see out evolves. But
I think any door that closes, well, there's also a new,
really exciting door that's getting opened, and we've got to.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I think we can.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
Still love what was in the past, but let's don't
miss that there's some like pretty cool things happening right
in front of our face right now that we're kind
of all in the forefront of.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
By the way, one of the reasons the NFL is
king a willingness to pivot. Just take a deep breath.
It's going to be okay. College fans on average or
older than NBA fans or soccer fans or UFC fans
or maybe wa WNBA fans, and they get all upset.
The tradition Michigan used to play Notre Dame every year.
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They don't. It survived
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And thank you for all joining us. A lot of
choices on a Monday, Jmac. The one team on this
NBA slate that you've always been a fan of his
the New York Knicks. And they were in a rough,
rough spot at about eight thirty Central where I'm this
last night. They were getting blown out and then something
(01:08):
magical happened. You must field. We had a series today. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Tom Thabodeaux pressed the right buttons at the right time,
and the Knicks are back in the series.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Coward, let's go all right. They were down oh two,
they were on the road, down twenty points. Their star
was in foul trouble Jalen Brudson. It was one of
those what kind of man are you? Games? And Carl
Anthony Towns. Two things happened. Number one, Karl Anthony town said,
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I'll show you what kind of man I am. I'm
going to single handedly take over the fourth quarter. Listen
the dude he has quarters like this. He averages twenty
three a game in his career. When he was in
his prime, Karl Anthony Towns always ended up near the
top of those GM surveys they do. Who would you
start a franchise with? He doesn't play any defense, He's
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a little quirky, but he can dominate games. I've been
to three or four games where he was playing, and
he was the best player on the floor at some
point in all those games. So, and the second thing
that happened, and this does not happen very often for
the Pacers, they lost their way offensively. So Halliburton end
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of the third quarter, beginning of the fourth. So in
the third beginning of the fourth, about four and a
half minutes he was on the bench. In that time,
a fifteen point lead evaporated to four. And then he
comes back in and they just never quite felt the
same again Indiana. It's hard to get them off their
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offensive game. But even when the Knicks were down four, three,
two points, it felt like they were in control. So
the Pacers are a rhythm team and that they have
the fastest pace in the league, and they get out
of their rhythm and all of a sudden, you had
Nie Smith and other guys. McConnell trying to run the
offense is like, bro that that's not it. This is
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Aliburton's offense. They lost their quarterback. They only shot thirty
six percent in the second half at home and shot
forty two percent. That's the worst half of basketball for
the Pacers. And just to give you in the playoffs,
to give you another example, it flashed on the screen
at one point in the first half, they had fourteen
fast break points. They were running the Knicks out of
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the arena. In the second half total two fast break points.
Haliburton sits they lose their rhythm. He comes back in,
tries to kick start it and he never could. And
what did we talk about last week? Whoever controls the
tempo is going to win the games and or the series.
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And the Knicks compressed it, slowed it down. And also
in this matters, the Knicks hit their last fifteen free throws.
I know that's not a glamorous headline, but remember Game one,
the Knicks had control and they were missing free throws.
Open the door. This was the opposite they were controlling
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tempo in Game one, they lost tempo, miss free throws.
Here late they controlled tempo, hit free throws, and so
they were a better roaded team than they were a
home team. The road team has won every game in
this series. So the nixt slowed it down, hit the freebies,
and I thought their defensive rotations were much better, especially
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when you had once Haliburton sat down for that stretch.
And you see this in football all the time. You
have momentum, you have a bad series, you have a fumble,
there's a turnover, and you can never find the momentum. Again,
it's hard. Momentum matters, and especially matters in playoff games.
So we have ourselves a series the Knicks blue Game one,
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it kind of felt like they stole Game three, Indiana
felt like the better team in Game two. We've got
a series and here's TIBs basketball.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I know you guys like roll your eyes when they
say no lead is safe. But no lead is safe
because I think with the three point shot, people make
up ground quickly. Pace the game, make up ground quickly.
You see comebacks all the time, and if you let
up just a little bits, that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
So you just do not see the Pacers very often
lose their way offensively. But that four and five minute
stretch where Halliburton left and you just saw the lead shrink.
He came back in, he sort of righted the ship.
He hit a three. It felt a little better. But
by that point the Knicks had growing confidence. And it
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should also be noted Kat did a lot of his
damage with Jalen Brunson on the bench, which we'll get
to after the commercial. Okay, so this is a story
you may be wondering. I don't think it's going to
make a big deal either way. But Aaron Rodgers, according
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to Jeremy Fowler, there are people in the NFL, and
Jeremy Fowler works at the ESPN very good reporter. He
is saying, there are people in the NFL many that
believe Aaron Rodgers is waiting on Minnesota. I don't know
that to be true, but I will say this, Aaron
loves to make people think he's a mystery and the
media can't figure him out. And he does that because
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it invalidates us, and we're the one group of people
he can't control. He's worshiped by football people, he's loved
by teammates, the one group he can't control us, and
so he wants to invalidate us. And he's not JD. Salinger.
It's not that mysterious. The Steelers are a shaky fit,
and Aaron knows it. He doesn't want to offend Mike Tomlin.
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It may be if he wants to play his best spot.
But they can't figure out offense. I've done over this
a million times. They're toned af to offense. They just
they I think they're now making moves just to make moves.
Let's just off George Pickens and let's get a pick
and let's overspend for DK Metcalf and they're just making
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moves to make moves. So there are reports, and I
don't care about his personal life. That Aaron's personal life,
he's going through some turbulence. You wish him well. I
don't want to get into any speculation there, but I
just think Aaron is too smart to think the Steelers
are a good fit. The O line's been a wreck
for years. The oh coordinator position they've run through him.
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They lost Naugie Harris, their left tackle. And by the way,
it does matter. He went from Green Bay, which has
always had an offensive culture. They always get quarterback right,
they always have offensive coaches, they always have good offensive lines.
Green Bay does offense right and they've been doing it
right for thirty years. Pittsburgh does defense right. And the
only two times they've done offense right they had Terry
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Bradshaw on Big Ben and in between that, they're not
the same franchise. They win games, they don't win big games.
And that's what Pittsburgh's going through right now. They've been
a bottom ten total offense six years in a row,
and that's hard to do. And you look at the
two New York franchisees, and Carolina's a bad offense in
this league and the Bears. So the Vikings makes a
ton of sense. Great brilliant offensive head coach and play caller.
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They play indoors. He knows the division they have justin Jefferson.
They upgraded their offensive line in the offseason. There's also
a story that's interesting. So Aaron was apparently on some
podcast and said, when asked about the Saints, because we
don't know exactly what the Saints are doing. Is it
going to be is Spencer Rattler?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And Aaron Rodgers was quoted saying, yeah, I'm too old.
I don't want to live in Louisiana. Sorry. So what
that means is where Aaron plays matters to Aaron, he
is thinking about it. He doesn't want to live in
New Orleans. So that's another reason indoors knows the division NFC.
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He moved over to a defensive culture plan outdoors in
the North Northeast with a Jets, and it was a mess.
Aaron doesn't want to do that again. So and Jeff
Pearlman came on last week. He wrote a book about
Brent Farv, and Aaron was all through the book and
Farv didn't treat Aarin very well. And I grew to
kind of respect what Aaron had to go through. But
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he made a point about where Aaron's played, and the
fit is really crucial when you consider Aaron's personality.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
They just think over time, especially being in a small
Midwestern town surrounded by the Midwestern quaintness of Green Bay.
I think Aaron Rodgers really started to believe I'm the
smartest guy in the room. I know everything. I am
very intelligent. I know more than the coaches, I know
more than my teammates, I know more than this fan base.
And again, if you can contain that in Green Bay, Wisconsin,
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it's one thing you're treated as a guy, but once
you go national, once you go to a different franchise,
it doesn't really play out that well.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It certainly didn't in New York. Now, the culture in
Pittsburgh is better than New York, but like the Jets,
they can't get offense right. So whether the story is
true or not, it makes a lot of sense. I've
said this. I think he was waiting for brock Perty's
contract to get signed that eliminated the Niners. I think
that was his first choice. His second choice was Minnesota.
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This is just a guest by me, but this story
comes out, and this is what I felt is Aaron's
too smart to think, you know, Pittsburgh is gonna work
for me. I don't think they're a game better if
he plays there. I don't. I think Pittsburgh now is
in the space where they're just making moves to make moves.
I don't know Dk Metcalf was overpaid. Pickens trade probably
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right once you acquire Dk Metcalf, But I didn't love
the offseason for the Steelers. J.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Mack.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
There's a lot of things going on today, Colin Wright,
Colin wrong. In fifty minutes. There was a story over
the weekend about Caitlin Clark's value to the WNBA. It
is I don't know if people understand this, like what
is happening, how popular she is. It's insane, and I
(11:10):
think it is time. I like the fact that this
story was published, meaning WNBA coaches, players, executives can now
read her relevance, which is not only is it transcendent,
it's transformational to the league. How was your weekend?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
By the way, my weekend was excellent.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I ran into your friend Lebron yesterday at a volleyball
tournament out here in LA But if I could quickly
go back to Aaron Rodgers for a second, does he
totally want to be Brett Farv Jets then Vikings close
out the career.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Is that what he's.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Wanting to do, like copy Brett Farv. It is just
so embarrassing and pathetic. But I don't want to bash
Aaron Rodgers. He went through some stuff last week. I'm
sure you saw with an ex girlfriend kind of throwing
him under the bus for not being a nice guy.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Which should surprise nobody. But just disappointing stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Aaron. Come on, Yeah, we wish Aaron the very best
and the Steeler are the very best. Coming up now?
Next the information about how big Caitlin Clark is. It's
sort of staggering. Matt Hasselbeck stops by. I'm going to
give you my list of the four newcomers in the
NFL this year that will change outcomes. I think there's
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only four, only four people in the NFL that moved
and will changed outcomes. It's the hurt.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
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Welcome back on this Memorial Day. Matt Hasselbeck calling right
and wrong in forty minutes. So a associate professor of
finance at Indiana University broke down the economic scale of
Caitlin Clark, who is just a phenomenon. So she generated
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last year twenty six and a half percent as a
rookie on a terrible team, twenty six and a half
percent of the economic activity in the league. Listen to
some of these numbers. Her stardom not slowing down. The
Fever averaged more than the Pacers did per game throughout
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the league. If she played in your town, attendance for
the league rose thirty percent. The valuation of the fever
ninety million dollars for the Fever before she arrived, now
three hundred and forty million. That's four times, four times
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valuation increase. Lebron didn't do that when he went back
to Cleveland. He certainly didn't do it going to Miami
or the Lakers. MJ didn't do that with the Bulls.
We're talking one player. She is Steve Jobs. She's taking
an insolvent company and turning it into a powerhouse. So
listen to this. WNBA merchandise exploded five hundred percent increase.
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That's one player. I mean literally half the merchandise in
the league. She's selling, So you better get comfortable with
the fact that if she comes to your arena, ticket
prices will jump one hundred and forty percent. She will
be more popular than your entire roster. So and my
take is, ride the wave, enjoy the fruits, be grateful
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you went commercial to private. Now we can go back
to fly in Spirit Airlines. But nothing kills team spirit
like flying spirit. So you got to come to grips
with it. She is not only transcendent, she is transformational.
She has changed the league. And Hollywood has always understood this.
The actors and the directors have always understood this. The
bigger the stars, the better the catering, egg rolls for everybody,
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chicken and beef options. So this is a whole different ballgame.
We're talking about these numbers. She is mission very possible.
What you are seeing now is I don't think I
don't even think the PGA with Tiger exploded like this.
I mean, these numbers are insane. And you know, I
was talking to a group of people last night that
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aren't sports fans, and they, you know, they asked, like,
how long will it last? And what do you make
of it? My take is, well, think about how deep
the reservoir of men's basketball talent is in the world.
I mean, you know, you can go to Spain, Lithuania,
you can go anywhere. You can go anywhere in the
United States, you can go to Portugal. There's talent everywhere
(15:44):
in the world for men's basketball, and men's basketball has
been ahead of women's basketball. My entire life is that
we've never found a duplicate for Steph Curry. We never
have Nobody plays like him, nobody looks like him, nobody
shoots like him in women's basketball. And his greatest Curry
is he wasn't the best player in the league. He
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was the most transformational. People take shots now they wouldn't
have considered, but we've never found a duplicate in the
men's game for Steph Curry. The gap between Caitlin and
anything resembling her is Curry fourfold. So it's not going
to end. This is at the beginning of it. The
professor states that there's a chance she will have a
(16:29):
billion dollar economic impact for the WUNBA this year. Again,
ride the waves. People enter your life all the time
and make it better. Thank them. J Mack with The
News no, no turns. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
All right, call, let's get started with a big story
out here in La Sho. Hey o'tani big appearance over
the weekend throwing live batting practice for the first time
since his left shoulder surgery. Otani only threw twenty two pitches.
There were five plate appearances to three batters. After the session,
Otani said, I haven't thrown in a while, so it
was nice to be able to feel like a pitcher.
(17:15):
Obviously when he has thrown, I mean, hey, guy's incredible.
Now I'm curious, do you think this is the situation
where the Dodgers are.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Like, hey, we need Otani back.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I mean, they are only up one in the West
over the the Giants and Andres are closing in.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Listen, he's a great pitcher, so obviously he makes the
team better when he pitches. And they've had a ton
of pitching injuries. I think pitching injuries if you look
at Tommy John surgeries, they've skyrocketed in the last five
to ten years. It's an industry issue. But the Dodgers,
because they're such a big brand and talked about like
everybody looks at the Dodgers and they can't stay healthy.
There is no question that Otani. They want Otani available
(17:53):
because I think part of the negotiations were he's gonna pitch.
If you add Otani, he would arguably be the ace
of the staff. And so I mean, they have some
good arms, but they've got guys who have been injured before,
like last known who they got from Tampa. So it's
I think you're gonna notice his value in August, September,
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and October. That's when all this will matter the most.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Totally. Let's let's get to the NBA where the Timberwolves
on Saturday night, what a beatdown on the thunder just
absolutely ran them out of the building one forty three
to one on one, I mean, Colin winning by forty
two points. I don't know how much of this you
watched it. The fourth quarter was unwatchable but interesting. Note
here Sga, the MVP of the league, was sitting on
the bench late in the game wearing a microphone. The
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broadcast caught him talking about the loss.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
They were more.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Physical earlier and they made.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Shots to do missus. And then on top of this,
they had a great night.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
We had a bad night.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
So it's that forty.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
But if we like take care of these, we could
salute because of this night.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
But it doesn't look like this. Well, you know what.
I was talking to my friend Jason Tim last night
at the voume, we talked about this. Of all the
teams remaining, I kind of feel like I get the
same team with the Knicks Homer Way, same team with
the Pacers home and away, same team t Wolves home
and away, OKAYC. Because of their youth, I don't feel
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like it's the same offense young players on the road
historically in the playoffs and rotational players, and they have
the deepest bench right and so when you look at
OKAC and the numbers validate this, they're not the same
offense away from home. They're the youngest team and the
deepest team. But those rotational guys, you know, we've talked
(19:47):
about this. When you get to the playoffs, your stars
shine wherever. Your rotational guys are always better at home.
They're always more comfortable. They're often younger players or more
limited players. Okay see. I feel there is a gap
between homemade case okay see and road thunder.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
And listen, naz Reid goes home and can actually make shots.
I mean I think he put every three pointer in. Okay,
I will.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Say the one interesting angle here.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Is, you know I can understand you don't show up,
you lose by twenty Colin.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
This was almost like.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
A we're laying down, you know, we kind of give up.
Remember this happened against Memphis in Game three. They were
up two oh and Memphis goes up thirty, but then
Jah Morant got hurt and okay, see came back. So
I think you're onto something with this young team. Obviously,
tonight is the series. If okay se wins, it's over
up three one, it's got if minute. I vote A wins,
and I think they got a shot.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
At home, right yeah? There, well thunder or seven and
one at home with a lot of blowouts. We watched
them play Denver. There are three and three on the road.
We saw Denver give them problems up in Denver. Now
some of that maybe altitude. I think tonight's close. What
does it spread three or four points? I think it's
a go either way game. It's it's gonna be a
must watch fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I know the audience is gonna be upset after missing
on Game one in Boat series. I have not bet
or looked at a line since that. I'm like, I
don't get that. I don't understand how the Knicks loses,
how the timb rules are getting blown out.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
So I haven't looked at the line yet.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I'm not betting it, but I do think this is
another Anthony Edwards put the team on his back.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
He outscored OKC in the first quarter.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, in Game three and that was kind of like
a lights out moment Colin final story.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
This is adding to the Aaron Rodgers from earlier.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
How about this one? There are reports saying that Falcons
backup quarterback Kirk Cousins is on Pittsburgh's radar. The Falcons
got Cousins last year, and of course then drafted Pennix,
and Cousins is kind of like the odd man out there.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
It's gonna be Penick's team.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
The fact that this story is emerging on the same
weekend as the Aaron Rodgers maybe not going to Pittsburgh thing.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
I think there's some smoke here for sure.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I just don't know if Cousins is gonna work outdoors
in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I don't think that's a good match at all listen.
Tomlin appears to be safe. I think signed an extension
in the last year or too. Pittsburgh, if they listen,
When you have Lamar Jackson and Burrow in your division, okay,
those are two of the top five quarterbacks in the league.
You have to find a franchise quarterback. You can't keep
going out hammingeging it with Kenny Pickett and Will Howard.
(22:17):
How do you get a franchise quarterback you win five
to six games and have a top eight pick. Pittsburgh
in my lifetime has been great twice. Bradshawn is prime,
Big Ben in his prime. Outside of that, they don't
win big games. They just do not, even with Tomalin
or Bill Kower Chuck Nole. So to me, this is
(22:39):
the step back Yere and I think if you can
get into that six seven, you know you're still viable.
Your defensive win games, you're not trying to lose, but
you're limited. I would have no problem Pittsburgh just saying listen,
we're gonna go with these young guys. Get I mean,
it'd be one thing if you didn't have Lamar Jackson
ten times in the next five years minimum Burrow ten times.
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The next five years minimum.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, I like your idea of Hey, maybe you Ham
and nagget with Nathan Rudolph and Will Howard. Hey, why
don't you add instead of five six wins, go to
three four and trade TJ.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Watt.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Go get a bunch of picks, and you're set up
for and it's early what could be a great twenty
twenty six draft.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well, I don't want to trade TJ. Watt without getting
a guarantee back. The problem with I would trade TJ.
Watt if I could get the number one pick and
its Arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
There's no way, no, no, nobody's doing that.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But I'm I'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
What if you a potential contender, somebody who wants to
make the playoffs badly? Uh, you know, let's go Jacksonville,
Jackson Wills to think we'll give up our first or any.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Team you want.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I would consider moving off, moving off of what would
you not? Listen?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Listen?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Take quarterback out. You can move off virtually everybody except
a great left tackle. Like I'm not going to move
off Miles Garrett, but take quarterbacks out. You don't want
to move off a great left tackle. That here's the
insurance policy for your Star Wars. But we've seen Belichick
fire and Andy Reid fired. You can move off legendary coaches.
(24:05):
We've seen Montana play for the Chiefs, Brady play for
the Bucks. Like the idea that getting older with that
with a handful of injuries, TJ. Watt can't be on
the market, Like, get over it. He's a great player
who would have massive value on the market. Not saying
you'd do it. You take calls for that. He's a
(24:27):
great player. He's had multiple injuries.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Now he puy on Washington.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
They're gonna Washington could be a super Bowl team. I
don't know, you know, maybe they'll give up their first
next year. But I would just bought them out.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
I like your idea. I know that's a tough sale
to the fan base. That's a proud fan base. They
make the playoffs five hundred every year. That's irrelevant. You
want to be a contender. You got a bottom.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Outain Jamack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. So it
is a little bit instructive here that that Carl Anthony
Towns did his great work last night in the fourth quarter,
you know, and Jalen Brunson was not on the floor
(25:06):
for a lot of it. So now I think the
Pacers are a better team. I think they get more
consistently easier looks on offense, and I think they're gonna
win a series. But the most interesting part in this
series for the Knicks is that it's not complicated to
see what they are and what they're not. It's right up.
(25:29):
They're not pretty, they don't shoot the three particularly well,
and that Brunson and Cat often flourish when the others
off the floor. Your turn, No, it's your turn. No,
it's a your turn, my turn offense too often, and
they're both poor defenders, so well coached offensive teams pick
(25:52):
on them. So I would move off a talented erratic Cat,
although I think he's talented because I don't think Brunson
and Kat on the floor. People just go after him
and bad defenders, and I think it also we know
what they're not, we know what they need. They need KD,
who is a catch and shoot player, which is very
(26:15):
valuable because you're going to get Cat's points, You're going
to get twenty three to twenty five a game better defender,
and he can play complimentary basketball with Jalen Brunson. Cat
really doesn't. It's not all Cat's a bad guy. But
if you have him on the floor and Brunson, Brunson's
not big, he's not long, he's not a great defender, liability.
(26:36):
So Brunson leaves and Cat's like, Okay, now it's my turn.
And not surprisingly, he's great because he's a gifted offensive player. Again,
he averages twenty three in his career. But Katie is
great without the ball in his hands. Katie is a
plug and play, catch and shoot player. He is better
defensively than Karl Anthony Towns. And I mean, you know,
(26:56):
I mean think about this. When Karl Anthony Towns was
in Minnesota before or Ant arrived, he was at number
one scoring option. So Karl Antony Towns has a market.
He's gonna average twenty two points a game for somebody.
But I do think the Knicks, what you're seeing in
this series, it's a pretty simple. You could be a
basketball casual. They can't shoot the three consistently, KD. They
(27:18):
need a star who doesn't need the ball in his
hands a lot KD. They need length. If they keep
Mitchell Robbinson and move off CAT. They need length KD.
They need a willing defender KD. They need a high
basketball IQ because Brunson Michale bridges, this is a smart
(27:38):
basketball team and a pretty relentless coach KD. It all
fits like. And I listen, I go back when they
were beating Boston, and I'm like, I don't know if
they need KD. But playoffs are layers, they're steps. You know,
against Detroit, You're like, wow, why are the Knicks struggling
with Detroit? Because Detroit muddies it up and they had
(28:02):
a hard time getting consistent baskets. And then you play
Boston in your defense befuddles them and brunts and is great,
and so you forget about that. But then they play
Indiana and you're watching and you're going, yeah, they kind
of need they need another shooter. And all these teams
now with the multiple aprons, they're all going to be
moving pieces. It is harder to move big pieces. But
(28:22):
Cat's gonna market. I don't think Kean Brunson in playoff
basketball works. And if you're asking me everything, they need
catch and shoot, plug and play high IQ, hit a
three pointer if Kat leaves. They need length and a
willing defender. Every box is checked with KD. And let's
(28:44):
be honest about Kat. The dude has value. You can't
tell me he doesn't. He is a I mean you
saw yesterday. He is a at times an unstoppable offensive player
who attacks downhill. And here's Kat after.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
So opportunity to utilize all those hours I'll put into
the gym, and the game wasn't looking great for me
as well, but for all of us, and I just
wanted to do whatever it takes to help put us
in a position to win.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, it's not a criticism. The guy's got a market.
This is pro sports. Michael Jordan finished with the Wizards.
You know, it's never pretty in the end. But Kat's
not in his prime, but he has quarters like last night,
and they're fairly regular. And by the way, I was
thinking about this, if if Jason Tatum is out for
the Celtics next year, and we don't even know what
(29:34):
Cleveland is right now, right like, we're not sure what
Cleveland is. We know Indiana is gonna be good, but
they're gonna have a Miles Turner dilemma. They're not gonna
be able to keep him because they're gonna keep past
Gal Siakam. You have to. You're gonna keep Halliburton. You've
got a bunch of other rotational guys you like, They're
gonna probably lose Miles Turner, so they're gonna lose some
of their length. And Miles Turner matters for big teams.
(29:56):
If Yanna stays in Milwaukee, it matters. So there's you
gonna be a lot of movement, a lot of little
pieces moving in New York. And I think this series
has really you can be a basketball casual, you know
what they need, and I think Katie checks all of
those boxes. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong twenty five minutes from
now coming up. The players who absolutely there's four maybe
(30:20):
a coach, maybe a player that I think change outcomes
in the NFL. This is all based on the story
that came out today regarding the most valuable New plea
year player for every team in the league.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
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Speaker 1 (30:59):
So I saw the morning a Bleacher Report had a
story where they gave every NFL team's best slash most
dangerous new addition to the football team. Some are obvious,
like Joey Bosa for the Bills. Obviously that he's going
to make a difference. He's going to make some big plays.
George Pickens to the Cowboys, I mean, they need another receiver.
(31:22):
He may implode by week six, but whatever. I thought
it was funny that Jackson Dart was listed as the
giants Most Dangerous edition. I'm not sure he's going to play.
That shows you how bad the Giants are. I'm not
sure Jackson Dart's going to play much next year. But
to me, it's all about changing outcomes. You can say, oh,
this guy will be you don't know. There's four people.
(31:44):
This is a head coach quarterback league. There's four people
and only four in my opinion, that will change outcomes.
Number one is cam Ward, Tennessee. They led the NFL
last year in turnovers. They were so hard to watch
offensive where even games they out played teams. Tennessee was
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so bad at quarterback with Will Levis and Mason Rudolph
that they lost games where they out physicaled, out schemed
and outplayed teams. That's why Brian Callahan was often so
frustrated with Will Levis. He knew he out schemed and
they out toughed and out physicaled and outplayed and out
(32:25):
called teams and lost. Cam Ward is accurate, moves, coachable.
I mean, Miami's had some good quarterbacks. He broke all
the Miami records. He's a sixty seven percent completion percentage guy.
I think he's a really special player. I thought he
was easily the best quarterback in this class. And again
he's humble. He was a zero star recruit. There's a
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history of this league when guys come in without a
lot of stars and without a lot of pats on
the back, nobody's pandering to them. That's jet fuel. So
I think cam Ward changes outcomes. I think Tennessee is
going to be a playoff team to is Mike Rabel.
He never had a star quarterback in the AFC, had
a winning record. Three playoff appearances ended up one year
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with Ryan Tannehill being a number one seed. And listen,
New England has eight wins over the last two seasons,
what he did in terms of shoring up the lines
through the draft and through free agency. This is going
to be a much more physical team. It will be
in the footprint of his image. Drake May now goes
(33:29):
to year two, and we know from watching Denver the
last couple of years, when you go from a coach
who's more of a coordinator Gerrodmeo, Nat Hackett to Sean
Payton or Rabel, you can argue that's a six to
a seven point difference. And if the Patriots had six
points a game more last year that it won nine
or ten games. So I think he's going to change outcomes.
I think Geno Smith. Listen, we can say what we
(33:51):
want about Geno Smith. The Raiders were a tire fire offensively,
and he ranked top five in the NFL in passing
yards and completions. When you get we have Gino a
run game when Walker was healthy for Seattle, Geno play
action passing, big, strong, good arm and accurate. Now again,
if you speed him up like a Sam Darnold, he
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can be prone to mistakes and playing a little fast
and frenetic. Geno Smith is going to make this a
real offense especially when you add Ashton Gent They've already
got brought powers. I like their old line, Chip, Kelly,
Gino Smith will change losses to wins. And number four.
Maybe I'm being a homer, but I think it's Ben Johnson.
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This team offs ten of its last eleven games. It
was a circus last year and in the three years
as coordinator of the Lions, we know that Dan Campbell's
not a scheme guy. He's a culture guy. And we
watched Detroit the last three years and what did we
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all think? This offense is clever, This offense is creative.
That's not Campbell. Campbell's the barker, he's the volume, he's
the gravitas, bends the brains of the operation. So just
giving Caleb Williams upgrade oh line, a competent offensive coach
with vision and an offensive sentenceability from a defensive staff
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that fell apart, You're talking about a difference of winning
and losing games. So to me put them up, these
are the four people in the NFL and a head
coach in a quarterback league. These are the four that
will change outcomes. Cam Ward, Mike Vrabel, Gino Smith and
Ben Johnson. Okay, so this happened. Listen, there are certain
(35:44):
Once people get over like fifty years old, you start
creeping up the fifty years old and you know, psychologically,
as people get older, they like less change. We all
become sort of creatures of habit over time. And college
foot has an older average fan base than pro football
or the NBA or soccer or UFC one of the
(36:07):
older fan bases. Baseball's got an older fan base. That's
why they always they're screaming about changes, and college football
has a older fan base. Okay, so they don't like
a lot of these changes. But I read it this morning.
The twelve team college football playoff they voted on this Thursday.
The top four teams and the top four seeds will
(36:27):
all get first round bys. Last year, Notre Dame wasn't
eligible for a first round by. Now the vote has
been changed Notre Dame and they should be are eligible.
This was all settled Thursday afternoon. The five highest rank
conference champs will still be guaranteed spots in the twelve
team field. It is much more, in my opinion, an
NFL model. That's what ESPN and Fox wanted, and I'm
(36:51):
okay with it because college football and I love it
has always been like a great movie with a sloppy ending.
For years, sports writers voted on national Championship, and then
and then it was computers voting it. And now there's
too much sentimentality. You've got to have Indiana and you've
got to have smu in. Not really, No, we don't
(37:12):
not really. They have no chance to win. So and
you've seen more of it recently. I've been on this
now for about a month about USC is willing to
play Notre Dame, but USC is like it's going to
be on our terms, and because they have a polarizing coach,
Lincoln Riley, people are pushing back. Just think about what
usc has gone through in the last couple of years.
(37:33):
Their conference basically died, and so the only three teams
that remained were the three biggest rivals, cold Weather Washington,
cold Weather Oregon, and rival UCLA, the three teams they've
historically struggled with. Those are the only three that join them.
(37:54):
The Cupcakes are gone no more Oregon State, cal Arizona,
no more Washington State, and those are all gone. Ys
Ducks and a team that's giving them trouble even in
lean years, the Bruins then they join the Big ten.
Penn State top ten team now Michigan. I think this
year rebounds top ten program. Ohio State could be the
best program now that Alabama slipped. And you know, keep
(38:17):
your eye on Nebraska, keep your eye on you know,
there's always somebody surprising you in the Big ten. Illinois
this year will be good. So only their three toughest
rivals survive the Pac twelve. They join them in the
conference now that it's the biggest conference and they're all
cold weather. Penn State's cold weather, Michigan's cold weather. Why
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does it matter, Ohio State's cold weather, Washington cold weather,
Oregon cold weather? What's that matter? Even in the NFL,
we've never had a dome dynasty. We've had New England,
Green Bay, Kansas City, cooler temperature, San Francisco. Why it's
hard for dome and warm weather teams in January? Go
ask the Chargers and Dan Fouts to go into Cincinnati
(39:00):
and four degrees or four below and win. We don't
have dome dynasties. We don't have warm weather dynasties. Marino
is one of the best quarterbacks ever. There was no dynasty.
You got the one Super Bowl we don't have dome
and warm weather dynasties in this league. And so I
think weather absolutely matters, absolutely matters. And so go look
at the Miami Dolphins with two of you don't think
weather matters. That's why the Northern teams generally draft quarterbacks
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big Ben and Bradshaw and Farv and Aaron Rodgers and
Joe Flack Brady. You want guys with big arms. And
so USC's world now is Oregon, Washington, Michigan, Ohio State,
Penn State. And if we go to the playoff, we're
facing three more bullies. We just don't want to squeeze
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a Notre Dame game into our November schedule, another cold
weather team every other year. We'd rather have a home,
warm weather game. I get it. USC, I've been told
from inside the building wouldn't mind playing Notre Dame. But
on their terms, of course, Notre Dame wants the game.
Notre Dame needs the game because they're not in a conference.
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That's why Notre Dame just signed a twelve year deal
with Clemson. It guarantees them a great game. They want
to sign the same thing with USC. Of course they
want it because they don't have Oregon and Washington, and
they're in state rival UCLA the City Champion, and then
Michigan and Ohio State and Penn State in Wisconsin. They
don't have that on the schedule. So of course Notre
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Dame wants, as an independent, a guaranteed ten twelve year contract.
So my take is USC doesn't need it. USC probably
quietly or not quietly, doesn't want it, and if they
do it, they're going to do it on their terms.
I totally support that. I've been told inside USC's building
they're willing to do it, but they're going to control it,
(40:52):
not the team. Hey, if Notre Dame wants to play
them every year, come join the Big Ten. Fine. If
if you want to be austere and you're too good
for a major conference, this is the downside. You lose
leverage against USC. Here's Lincoln Riley talking about the changes
in college football.
Speaker 8 (41:10):
There are some changes that we've all just got to
accept because it's just part of it right now. Obviously
that continues to move and we'll see out evolves. But
I think any door that closes, well, there's also a new,
really exciting door that's getting opened, and we've got to.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I think we can.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
Still love what was in the past, but let's don't
miss that there's some like pretty cool things happening right
in front of our face right now that we're kind
of all in the forefront of.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
By the way, one of the reasons the NFL is
king a willingness to pivot. Just take a deep breath.
It's going to be okay. College fans on average or
older than NBA fans or soccer fans or UFC fans
or maybe wa WNBA fans, and they get all upset.
The tradition Michigan used to play Notre Dame every year.
(41:59):
They don't. It survived
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