May 1, 2025 • 41 mins
The Lakers lost to a better team and were severely out coached last night against the Timberwolves.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go. It is a Thursday, and a
very different Thursday than we predicted. The Lakers exit stage right,
they are How did Minnesota lose a game in this series?
It's over jmac humble tide. But you know what, we
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always bring Chris Finch on the show that the t
Wolves coach during the season. I think next time we
call him he will be available once again. I mean
that was impressive.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Very very crazy winding.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Three games for the Lakers. Greg Okay, here we go.
Simplest explanation. Chris Finch and his staff worked, JJ Reddick
and his staff, and Minnesota's best players out played the
lakers best players. I mean, Austin Reeves a no show.
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Lebron last couple of games looked tired and Luca's worst
qualities were exposed. There was a late sequence in this
game with about two forty five left. It was a
late sequence where Julius Randall blew by Luca and scored. Okay,
so he blows by Luca's right here, just blows by
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him and scores. On the other end, Luca misses a
layup and then complains about it to the referee. And
while he's complaining, the Tea Wolves in transition ant scores
on the other end. From a two point game to ballgame.
Luca daisical. And by the way, I'm not saying the
MAVs won the trade with the Lakers. But Nico Collison
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slept very well last night. Harrison, Excuse me, Nico Harrison
slept very very well last night. Listen Lebron in the
fourth quarter of the last two games, you saw it.
He was tired. He was gassed, two for nine from
the floor. And the Lakers in this series in the
fourth quarter, they got worked. And that was about a
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tired Lebron and a coaching staff in Minnesota that pulled
all the right levers. The Lakers in the fourth quarter
scored seventeen thirteen twenty, nineteen sixteen, and JJ Reddick's insistence
got very stubborn. His insistence to play only five guys
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the entire second half of Game four, which is bizarrely.
I mean, it's historically bizarre. That's the only thing I
can say. I'm not a coach, it's just historically, I've
never seen it. I've never thought it would be discussed.
This is a small ball team that was already outsized
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the entire series and out rebounded the entire series. So
you're the smaller or less physical team, and you're gonna
play your guys the entire second half and one of
them is in his forties. Okay, and JJ Reddick before
the game got very defensive about this.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Is there an assistant or someone maybe that you'll lean
on tonight maybe to try to get you know, some
other guys involved if that opportunity presitions.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Are you saying that because I'm inexperienced and that was
an inexperienced decision that I made.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Do you think I don't talk to my assistance about
substitutions every single time out?
Speaker 7 (03:55):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I just think there's a lot of coaches lean on
their assistance in those situations.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
As every single time. That's a weird assumption, bro, It's
not the moment to be the coolest, smartest guy in
the room. You went heavy small ball with the oldest
star in the league. You didn't sub him. And Lebron
looked tired in Game four of the end, and he
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looked tired last night. Plus Minnesota, which was already a
bigger team, leaned into their size. Rudy Gobert, a defensive player,
might as well have been Wilt Chamberlain last night. He
was unstoppable. That's on coaching. And by the way, JJ,
what is Maxy Kleeber doing on the floor late? This
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was a coaching mismatch Julius Randall and McDaniels Gobert. They
outplayed the Lakers players and the te Wolves own the
fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is not just the stars quarter,
it's the coaching quarter. This is not a complicated breakdown.
Better coach, better does decisions, a more complete roster, and
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better fourth quarters. I mean, Lebron wasn't terrible in the fourth.
He was clearly exhausted. Probably not going to play him
in an entire second half when you're already the smaller team.
And by the way, Chris Finch and his guys, his staff,
they were already bigger. They made an adjustment to make
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Rudy Gobert the centerpiece last night and you're playing late
Maxi Kleeber, what are we doing here? So in the playoffs,
let's be honest about it. Their truth serum. Austin Reeves,
y'all love him. But in the playoffs, when it's the
same teams playing the same guys night after night after night,
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Austin Reeves moves into town. You're tired. You played last night?
He drops twenty two. Wow. He's undrafted, and Minnesota exposed him.
They sent their drafted better athletes at Austin Reeves and
he didn't do anything. The playoffs are truth serum, and
the truth is this Laker roster is incomplete. JJ Reddick
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made a bad decision in Game four and got defensive
about it, and the fourth quarters t Wols players, we're
better than the Lakers stars. It's not a shot at
Lebron or even Luca, although can we now all be
honest about Luca's conditioning and defense. They're going after him regularly.
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Here was Charles Barkley on J. J. Reddick's pushback, anger
and rigidity.
Speaker 8 (06:43):
He just is a little sensitive.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Not listen.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
One of the things that people say they never watched television.
We all lie, all jocks watched television, and he's been
getting criticized the last point outs for playing those guys,
and he just sensitive just say, hey, you know what,
if I had it, nobody everybody's afraid to say I
was wrong. All he had to do was say, hey,
you know what, I shouldn't have played those guys the
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whole second half, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Then it would have been over. We always consider in
America football to be the coaches sport, but you get
into the playoffs and I watched this series, and I'm
not just saying this because I don't know JJ Reddick,
I know Chris Finch a little, but there was one
coaching staff pulling all the right levers on this and Minnesota.
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I mean that was so obvious last night. Remember we
talked about this yesterday. They were six and a half
point underdog. I'm like, are the Laker players getting taller?
Is Lebron getting younger? Like they were bigger, and they
leaned into Rudy Gobert. So they clearly as a staff
said guys, we got an edge here. Size doesn't get
smaller fast. Guys can get slower over a series. But
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size doesn't get smaller, and they just went all in
on Gobert and he was unstoppable. Rudy Gobert, his entire
career has been stoppable, completely stoppable. Last night he was unstoppable.
I mean, Maxi Kleeber playing guys in the entire second half.
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I'm sorry. Coaching better players, better levers, pulled better roster. Okay,
here's another thing. So I have been on this topic.
The Warriors got smoked, and I mean they waved the
white flag eight minutes ten. Good for Houston. I'm going
to be wrong on this series. Golden State is going
to go back home and probably win it. But I've
been on this forever. You don't need seven games in
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the first round. When this league was at its most
popular with MJ, first round was five games. League was
never more popular. It's all greed. I mean, y'all told
me Florida is going to win the national championship in
a sudden death tournament in marks they did. Okay, four
number one seeds made the final. Four. Okay, you don't
need seven games to learn waters wet. So what happened
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last night is it was an embarrassment for the NBA.
I mean, it was a white flag, raise it three
minutes into the game. The other thing that happened is Houston,
the bigger, longer, more physical team with a lot of
energy and a lot of good young players. They went
after Steph Curry's hand, or at least that's what people
are claiming, that they were grabbing him and banging on it.
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And I got to be honest, I'm not sure it's
a bad strategy. I mean, if you know that a
team has already mailed it in, it'd be one thing.
If the game was close, you couldn't worry about that.
You'd have to worry about the game. But Houston's like, yeah,
the game's over all, right, let's leave a little bit
of a damage here, and let's grab and clush and
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push and bang on Steph Curry. And whether they did
it purposefully or not, when you're playing games where one
team is decided, hey, let's just take the flight home
and wrap it up, you gave Houston an opportunity to
think about some things, not have to worry about game strategy,
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to maybe make this one a little more interesting when
you go home. So this is why I've said before
first round should be three games. Well, what if blankety
blank loses? Yeah, what if they do? College basketball has
significantly inferior basketball to the NBA. Yep, March Madness gets
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big ratings because you have to watch the games. Do
you have to watch the games? But yet the number
one seeds all show up Florida. You told me they
were going to win those Why you don't need You
don't need seven games first round, you don't need I
don't think you need five. I'd go three games into
five finals only for historical purposes. We can play seven.
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I would have no problem with the finals being five.
But World Series, NBA Finals, it's been seven. Let's just
do it that way. But I thought this was a
bad look for the NBA. And I'm looking at stats
the morning. Is the average margin of victory in these playoffs,
and there have been great games in great series. It's
the second highest ever. There's been too many unwatchable blowout games.
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And I mean wave the flag four minutes in games
which gave the Rockets a chance to go Steph hunting,
and here here with Steve Kerr.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
After players are going to do whatever they're allowed to do,
and so after every on every release, you know, Steph's
getting getting hit. But it's basically within the rules. So
this is how the league wants it right now. And
you know, I know, we got thirty coaches who all
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think it's it's just idiotic that we allow this. So
players all over the league are just taking shots at
guys shooting hands after release because they know it's not
gonna be a foul.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, here's the other thing why I do not like
a seven game series until the final One of the
things all leagues want. I mean, if you're a Major
League Baseball if you're Rob Manfred, I want Aaron Judge
playing for the next fifteen years. I hope he's wobbling
out to the field. He's a star attraction. In the NFL,
I want Patrick Mahomes playing forever. That's why the NFL
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doesn't let hit the quarterbacks. Keep your icons forever. You
want all your stars playing into Brady years. In the
basketball world, you want to extend Steph. The way to
extend him isn't have him play meaningless games, which your
entire staff and organization acknowledges. Let's just get back home.
I mean Stephan Butler. Stephan Butler did not have a
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point between the two of them in the second quarter,
a decision had been made. I'm not knocking the decision
by Kurt. I'm not knocking the decision by the Warriors.
They don't have the length, the size, the dexterity, and frankly,
they don't have the youth. They can't give you a
great game and a loss. They're like saving the energy.
I would do it too. Draymond thirties, Butler thirties, Curry thirties,
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odd the only young guy that can count on. But
I thought this was another example of what are we
doing here? No reason this should be a seven game series,
and it was. And Houston said, all right, you're gonna
mail it in. We can mess around a little. And
whether they did or not, it's not illegal, all right,
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j Mac. By the way, for those wondering about steph
we have a picture of his thumb. It was bad
going in. It's probably worse this morning. And you know,
Steve Kerr was speaking for a lot of coaches when
he said, you know you're letting all this physicality happen again.
I am for physicality. You're against it. You know, if
you're more finesse, I'm more power.
Speaker 10 (13:41):
I'm not against it. I just think that too much
is too much? You want Curry getting hurt, you want
Tatum getting hurt. I mean, jeez, you lose Anthony Edwards
or something to a goon ish foul next round, It's like,
come on, what are we doing? I just don't love
the big time physical play.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm sorry, I'm not a huge right, Okay, we got
good stuff today. Rachel Nichols will have more about this
coming up. Just a fun day. The Lakers are done
and I've mostly been a Lebron defender, but oh boy,
here we go. Will he retire? Willy? Will he not?
We'll talk about that coming up.
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Speaker 1 (14:27):
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Just to tell you, and and I think it's fair
to say I'm not somebody that bangs on NBA coaches
a lot, but Julius Randall and Rudy Gobert last night
are out playing Lebron and Luca. That's coaching, like right,
that is coaching part of that is playing Luca and
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Lebron in Game four the entire second half. I know
they have a couple of days off, but they also
had to fly across country or you know, Minneapolis to
La three and a half hours. You know, you get
in late, you got to shoot around the day of
the game, like like Lebron needs time off. That's why
Lebron was more effective early in this series and in
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first halfs than late. So it's just a coaching decision
I don't agree with. But the fact that Julius Randall,
who had never been a great playoff guy, had a
tremendous series. That's Chris Finch and the staff, and it
was game one it was like, guys, they don't match
up with him. And then Rudy Gobaer looking like Wilt
Chamberlain last night. That's the best playoff game he's ever played.
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Why that's that's matchups. That that's matchups. So I mean,
and don't we don't talk a lot of coaching. We
talk about MJ. This MJ that Michael Jordan was in
Chicago and was really good, but he won't win in
big titles and fourth quarters until Phil Jackson showed up.
Coaching matters in this sport. So listen, I've been a
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Lebron defender. I mean ninety nine percent of the stuff.
A little bit of the too much browny kind of
manufacturing stuff there I don't love. But it's his son.
I get it. But but this is where Lebron's critics,
you know, they've always said, oh, he plays the victim,
he extends drama, and I you know whatever, he's a
superstar in America. Happens. But he was asked last night
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if he's coming back. We all know the answer to this.
Here was here was his thoughts. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I don't have the answer to that. Something I said
out with my family, my wife and my support group
and kind of just talk through it and see what happens.
And then they just have a conversation with myself and
how long I want to continue to play. It's a
business too, so you don't know what the roster look
like next year, besides the guys that's locked into contracts.
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So we all, I mean, I got a lot to
think about myself, so I don't I don't know what
the roster will look like. I don't know what I'm
you know, where I stand right now.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I do as one of the ten best players. You're
coming back. This is what he said last year after
they lost to Denver. There's been a lot of comps
to Tom Brady for Lebron, and they make sense. Totally
committed winning late in their career, bizarrely good for their age.
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But this is where he's got a little Brett Farve
kind of seeking, you know, assurance drama. Please come back.
Stop Lebron against the Timberwolves, struggled in fourth quarters. He
should for his age, but he did average twenty five
and nine. That was second on the team and first
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on the team. By the way, his last fifteen playoff games,
he's average twenty seven eight to eight, shooting fifty four percent.
He's a top ten player in the game. He looked
tired in this series. Yeah, Game four second half had
a lot to do with the last two fourth quarters. Sorry,
that's on JJ Reddick. I don't care if you ask Lebron,
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hey man, can you play the entire second half? You
don't play Lebron the entire second half. What you saw
at the end of Game four and the end of
Game five is Lebron basically losing his legs. Doing a
great job defensively, but he didn't have his jumper and
he didn't have quite the burst, which is totally explainable.
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So Lebron, you're coming back. Just ask yourself this. If
Lebron announced his retirement in a week, would it not
be shocking? Of course it would. If Lebron announced in
a week he's coming back, would you be shocked? No,
And that's why we don't need the drama. We all
know the answer here. He's got another son he enjoys.
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I mean, listen, Luca was disappointing, but you're gonna tell
me you're not gonna come back for Luca, who will
probably be in, if not great shape, better shape. Lebron's
coming back. J Mack with a news No, no, no,
this is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Thank you, but it just giving me my lead for tomorrow,
big guy.
Speaker 10 (19:06):
Uh yes, anyways, let's go to h tonight's big game.
How about this Pistons Knicks Colin Big One from Detroit
Knicks are hoping to polish off Detroit. Cave Cunningham kid's
been on fire in his first playoff series. He all
but guaranteed Detroit will be back at MSG for game
seven bold words from a pretty mild manner guy. However,
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Detroit is zero to two at home in the series
against the Knicks. Too tough light losses, Colin, who you
got tonight? By the way, you want to guess the line?
I was surprised by this, Okay, don't tell me think
Detroit minus one and a half.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Oh, come on, somebody told you. Damn you nailed that.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You didn't tell you. Guys, didn't tell me nothing.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
Okay, I'm surprised honestly. Now, maybe Brunson and Hart are
not one hundred percent. They went down late in Game five.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Well, I mean, I mean we're watching this thing. Is
there's an argument late in games? Kate Cunningham's the best
player on the floor. Oh well, I think he's the
best athlete on the floor.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Best athlete. Okay.
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Jalen Brunson was like the clutch time winner in the
NBA this year for points.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
No. No, I like Jalen Brunson. But home teams can
get a friendly whistle. What if Jalen doesn't get him
that fourth quarter whistle because Kate Cunningham probably will?
Speaker 10 (20:23):
Ye, Kate, we got Kate stats here in the first round.
Listen man twenty five, eight and eight, one point six deals,
one point four blocks.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I don't know why you don't you when you watch him,
how do you not see him as the best player
in the series.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well, he's a little younger than Brunson. Not his experience.
Speaker 10 (20:40):
Brunson's been in these battles in college in the NBA.
I would take Brunson now going forward, like who you
want the next five years Kate Cunningham. Obviously this would
do a lot for the Cunningham job Morant debate.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Is there one? By the way, No, I just thought
of this. If Detroit wins tonight, all those nerds that
are always like the games are rigged. Well, God, can
you imagine the NBA if it was rig saying Okay,
I want the Tea Wolves to knock the Lakers and
Lebron out quickly. I want the Knicks to get dusted
off by the Pistons and somebody hurt. Steph Curry also
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also Adam Silver. I want Rudy Gobert to look like Wilt.
I mean, literally, what is happening is the oh oh
in Oklahoma City? In Cleveland. I want them to be
the best teams in them.
Speaker 10 (21:28):
For all the good ratings hype, and they've had a
great playoff run so far. Colin, I'm a little nervous
going forward for the NBA because you know all these
ratings watchers.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Look, the ratings are down, they're down.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Oh the legs tell you.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Eventually, eventually at Boston and Cleveland play that will be
one for the ages. You're gonna have like nine elite players,
like nine A minus up players on the floor. That's
going to be an insane Yeah, to.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Go back to your American basketball players list.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
Donovan Mitchell has to be top five for a young
basketball and we're eliminating Currie Durant Lebron.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Donovan Mitchell's awesome, And.
Speaker 10 (22:09):
You're right, they got to get by the Pacers first, Colin,
I don't think that's a lock, but we'll have funny
time to talk about that. Let's move to the NFL
and it's Shadoor Sanders time. We're still talking about him.
The Embers are still burning, but it's because Travis Kelcey
is coming out in defense of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
He's upset about all this bashing of Shadour in pre
draft interviews.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
I think whoever's a anonymous person that's saying this should
come out and say who they.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Were and sho me what your chef? Like, what is
that about?
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Like, if you're going to leak that type of be
the one that says that, yeah, it just didn't go
well for us.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
You know, don't say they were anonymous.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
You know that's so blame like, like, I.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Don't know, I just feel like there's no validity to it.
This is going to be such a fresh start for him,
and now it's it's going to feel I can see
him working his ass off and becoming the starting quarterback
in Cleveland at some point for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Okay, two things are true. I think he's going to
become the starter too. But in my world, let me
defend anonymous sources. The reason I'm going to dinner tonight
with a really good source. The reason anonymous sources are
great because people are willing to be harsher and more
honest if it's anonymous. I'll give you an example. Nobody
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wants to humiliate you or and put their name on it.
Because if you're a scout who I have as a source,
you're going back to Colorado. So you don't have to
love anonymous sources, but you the audience, if you watch
this show, are rewarded by that anonymity because I get
more brutally honest takes. So this idea that every anonymous
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source is bad I want in my job, I'm a
conduit to the audience. I talk to sources, then I
talk to the audience. Want you deserve and want the
best stuff. You're not getting it with quotes. You're gonna
get cliched stuff. Oh he's a terrific player. Listen, the
New York Giants interview was bad. Okay, Brian Dable won't
publicly hammer him, But the people that are saying it
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was bad are people I trust and have for years,
one of them a friend of Brian Babel. So it
went really poorly. It's important for the audience and us
to know that, right Like it validates why stuff, especially
when somebody drops precipitously. Historically You're like, what in the
we want an answer? Okay, I government doesn't always get
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us an answer. Usually in sports we get finality and
ann And I've also said this the draft KMAC more
than anything we cover, we get lied to before the
draft more than anything we cover. I've said that for
as long as i've been on radio. That's why I
rely on like four guys. I know. I don't bring
any stragglers in because you can just get manipulated as
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a media member.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So my only pushback and again anonymous work. They're fine.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
Why is it that ninety percent of anonymous sources are negative?
Why don't we get the opposite end of the spectrum.
This guy crushed every interview. He's going to dominate because
you could just put your name on.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
That, and I'm fred. Why are ninety percent of things
you say to your wife positive because you don't look
good in that dress? Ruins the night? Right? Ninety percent
of the things I say to Anne are positive occasionally
and with great discretion, all be critical, and she's probably
the same for me. So the bottom line is if
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you have friends, you ever had a great friend, and
you're positive around him, you may once a year say bro,
that doesn't work. But you know how rigid guys are.
You don't keep banging up. Sometimes you don't say the
harshest truth to people because hey, it's mean, b there's
no payoff for you. But you'll dog cush your buddy
to another buddy and say, dude, Jim's enuck.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Case.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know this idea that honesty is always the great answer.
Our presidents earned always honest, our governors, our senators, our
CROs also gets.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
That's what's getting the White House in all this trouble.
When you surround yourself with yes men. I want the
brutal honesty. Listen when we talk Colin off air, and
if I ever step out of pocket, I want.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
You to check me.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
I don't want you to go complaining to management. Come
to me, be like j Mac. You can't do that.
You can't say now you haven't done that. So I
think we're rolling right, But I want honest.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
That was the rule. I'd be doing that six times
a day to you.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
This guy, this guy all right.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Final story is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now this is
a great pick. We both love Abuka al of Ohio State.
He went nineteenth. Just a great offensive weapon. Now, Jason
liked your boy. The GM talked about how he was
a top ten player on the Tampa board. And essentially
this is kind of insurance for Chris Godwin. Hey, buddy,
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don't rush back. We just got a Buka. So I
kind of like this pick for Tampa. They've still got
three really good receivers, good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
They've had some changes.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
With the OC because their OC kids getting plucked from
I'm not sure what I have on Tampa this year.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Where are you on them? Well, I think they're I
think they're the most talented team. I think Atlanta's got
some really interesting pieces. But I don't know what Michael
Pennix is going to be. But I will say this
about Iboka and Jason Light's a great GM. I've been
I'm bragging about him for several years. He is one
of the great all time scouts in the league. He
became a GM, he was such a profound scout. But
the true truth is, in a draft that didn't have
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a lot of stars. I said this before the draft.
Of the three people I asked about and met Muko,
there was not even a butt. Great kid, great character,
great routes, great work ethic, mostly slot could play aside.
There wasn't even a criticism. Now, people said you're not
(27:49):
going to run a four to two nine, But there
wasn't a single butt every and you get players like
that in great drafts. But everybody I talked to was like,
oh no, this kid is absolutely can't miss. We generally
look at a camp miss player jmack as a five
star like Aiden Hutchinson at Michigan, is like, can't miss kid,
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that's obvious because he's just so dominant. Or a Reggie
Wide out of Tennessee or Charles Woodson out of Michigan.
You're like, that's a camp miss. This was a camp
miss based on some athleticism. But there are certain football players.
A GM once told me this, you can tell their
work ethic by their game, and one of those positions
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is wide receiver. Another one of those positions is offensive tackle.
You can see the work they put in. The great
ones have better hands, if they're more coachable. This kid's
going to be a stud particular.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I totally agree like him a lot.
Speaker 10 (28:46):
I was looking to see if they play Dallas because
a lot of Dallas fans are ticked off they didn't
get Golden or a Buka because they need a receiver.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Colin.
Speaker 10 (28:53):
I'm looking at the Tampa schedule and I'm sure we'll
do this when this schedule comes out, but holy hell, this,
these are these the road games for your division winning bucks.
At the Rams, that's a loss. At Seattle Outdoors, we
don't know. At Miami we'll see if it's in the
heat or not. At Buffalo definite loss, at Detroit loss,
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at Houston Division winner. You gotta dude, that is a
tough schedule, my friend.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
No, you got it first of all, easy division and
with Baker Mayfield and the weapons, they're gonna win one
of those games.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Well it did.
Speaker 10 (29:25):
I got Falcons, you got a Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I haven't made my call yet. What do you mean
you just did. What are you talking about, Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
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It's not that anonymous sources can't be abused, but the
idea there's nothing from them. You get better information if
you like this show, or any show. It could be
Dan Patrick's, it could be it could be anybody's. It
could be Stephen A. Smith. You're getting your best information
when it's anonymous. I mean, I'm sorry. My entire career,
the harshest comments, the most real comments are often list
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I put my name on it and get crushed. But
especially with social media now and the avalanche, you don't
want any part of that stuff. But I get told
stuff every other day. It's like, hey, man, just keep
your eyes up on this and occasionally I quote GMS,
I mean I told you less. Snead said, like, probably
not the year we're going to get a starting quarterback.
(30:25):
I'm honest with that. He was up They looked at
Jackson Dart, but they were upfront about it. And you
can see what they're getting a pick next year. They're trying.
They're going big game hunting next year, which they should
by the way. Coming up next, j Matt, You're not
gonna like this, the Niners playing a little hardball with
brock Prety next.
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Speaker 1 (31:46):
First of all, Tom Pelasorrow was on The Rich Eisland
Show yesterday and said the Niners and Brock pretty 're
not close. He thinks it'll get done, but he said, hey,
they're not close. And my take on that is, if
brock Pritty wants fifty seven million dollars a year agent
not necessarily a well known agent want fifty seven million
a year, it should not be close. Now, do not cave.
(32:07):
He's got a year left in his contract, and there
are people like a Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, I
will pay early Max Crosby. Oh, you can identify certain
players after a year and a camp. Oh yeah, he's
beating all of our tackles. Yeah, he's got eleven sacks.
Let's sign them early and get a better deal. That's
not brought purty. But let's be brutally honest about here.
(32:27):
The Niners' biggest rival is in their division, the Rams.
And it felt like three or four years ago, the
Niners have the edge. The Rams have passed them and
blown by them. McVeigh eight years, missed the playoff once,
and he's got a trophy. Shanahan eight years, missed the
playoffs four times. Last year was bad. No trophy. And
by the way, the rosters right now, the Rams have
(32:49):
far more good, young and expensive players. And that's why
that's why you can keep Matt Stafford. So I'm looking
one of the primary reasons I think the Rams have
blown by I am the Niners pay Christian McCaffrey, Patrent Williams,
I get George Kittle. You gotta start making decisions here
on safeties and linebackers and right tackles. And you can't
(33:13):
pay every receiver. You can't pay Deebo and Ayuk right,
And so the Rams have a much better defense and
they're paying nobody on that side. They have the better quarterback.
I think they have the better coach. Arguably they have
the better offensive line. You have to use discretion on
this stuff. And I think this is a classic example
is that you know, the Rams are a little like
(33:34):
McVeigh is a little like the Godfather. It's not personal,
it's business. And they've told Von Miller that, and they've
told Jalen Ramsey that, and they told Jared Goff that,
and they've told multiple people that. They told Matt Stafford that,
we really like you. It's not personal. But this is
(33:55):
the number. I'm not letting brock Purty push me around.
And I say this all the time. You know, like
your sports, love your family, don't run onto the court
like Halliburton's dad. You know, Shadr hire an agent, right, Like,
(34:18):
love your family, like your sports. And this is the
way when I look at the Rams and McVeigh and
less need. They like their players, but they move off
Todd Gurley and Cooper Cup and Jalen Ramsey very quickly.
The Niners fall in love with players. Yeah, maybe Trent
(34:38):
Williams in his prime. Just send me the check. I'll
sign it. But you go look at the Dallas Cowboys.
They're the example here. Dallas Cowboys pay a good quarterback
a plus money and look at that roster right now.
Once you do that, you cannot whiff on draft picks.
And it looks like last year Cowboys may have on
(35:01):
a first round pick, and this year people are saying
they overdrafted another offensive lineman. You start paying your big stars.
The Niners have missed on some draft picks, and the
Rams have missed on like one interior lineman a couple
of years ago. So the Rams are drafting, they're hitting
on more draft picks, they're using more discretion, and they're
(35:21):
not top heavy. And so when I hear this story
on Rock Purty, people think I don't like brock Purty. No,
I don't like paying Rock thirty fifty seven million. I
love brock Purty at thirty one. I like him at
forty one. I'm not caving at fifty three. So okay,
the Bill Belichick Jordan Hudson's story has taken an interesting turn.
(35:49):
So I had two strong opinions on this story, I
now have three. My first opinion was bit cringey. He's
seventy plus she's twenty four. Then I watched this CBS
interview which she stepped in front of and like a
professional set, you're not talking about our private relationship. My
second opinion was it's still age wise, a little creepy,
(36:11):
but in college football, old Bill needs this. He just
happens to be dating it too, but he needs this.
Then another story came out, and skeletons are starting to
be unearthed and reporters are starting to report. There was
a story in the New York Post yesterday that Jordan
Hudson has amassed eight million dollars in real estate, multiple homes,
(36:35):
starting at the time she started dating Bill. Who am
I to prive? Another part of this story is looking
back at her family, who had a fishing business that
went bankrupt. Her mother moved to Cape Cod. And now
I'll only say this once manages a sex toy shop
(36:56):
and museum didn't know they existed. The museum part doesn't
sound like the Smithsonian, But who am I to be snarky?
The family's a little different, it does appear. Now I'll
have a third opinion, which is they are both benefiting
in multiple ways from each other. Whatevs. It's gone from
(37:23):
cringy to crucial to crypto. I don't know what the
hell I'm going to get tomorrow. That's why I don't
invest in it. And here's the thing. She is providing
a service. Take your mind out of the gutter. She
is providing a service as his social media director. And
(37:44):
she liked to be compensated for it. That's I think
where we are. But let's go back to the beginning
and my skepticism when this happened. What was my first opinion,
Like the day it happened. Bill doesn't even watch much
college football. I can tell from his he's terrible. Bill's
an NFL guy. He's not spending saturdays on the couch
(38:06):
like his his contacts, like he'd call Urban Meyer or
Nick Saban, what do you got for me? Herm Edwards.
But I never thought of him as a college football guy.
College football coaches. Nick Saban may seem grumpy. Nick Saban's funny,
Nick Saban's social, Nick Saban's personal. I've been around Nick
once or twice. He lights up a room. Nick is funny.
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He's a good storyteller. He could laugh at himself that's
not Bill. Bill's a pro football coach, and that's not
a bad thing. But Bill never had this like Urban Meyer.
To me, has always been a college football coach. Urban
Meyer told me years ago, I love Urban He's a friend.
He told me years ago, I don't watch pro football
on Sunday. I watch Ohio State game tape. Like Urban
took the job, made his money. He was always a
(38:49):
college football coach. The NFL thing didn't fit. Bill was
always an NFL coach. Then he brings Mike Lombardi, who
I know. He brought him over. Lombardi's an NFL guy.
And I said this when it happened. I said, you
think Bill Belichick had no patient for Robert Kraft, He
had no patience for NFL owners. You think he's going
(39:10):
to sit around and have an sid run the show,
or an athletic director or some goofy donor or that
this was always an uneven relationship. The minute UNC gave
him ten million dollars a year to a guy who'd
never coached collin college football. He has his dad coached
at Navy, but he never showed any great inclination for it.
(39:30):
In fact, the only reason this thing makes sense is
because at NIL we're Bill can out by players and
doesn't have to hop in a jet every fifteen minutes
and recruit guys. So I do think it potentially could
work through NIL. But this was an uneven relationship. Carolina
was desperate and Bill's like, all right, I want ten
million bucks and oh, by the way, if I want
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to leave in a year, I can. No other college
contract is paying a guy ten large a year plus
and he can just leave whatever he wants to do.
Is always an uneven relationship. So Bill's gonna do what
he wants. And again, I do think Jordan Hudson, I
mean these stories, I don't know what to make of it.
I just they're both there, they're both benefiting, and you know,
(40:11):
my wife doesn't you know, you know, she's you know,
I get a lot of this is just inappropriate. Yeah,
I get that crowd like like, but this, you know,
people get into relationships whatever. I'm not here to judge.
I do think she is providing something that he would
not tolerate, having some sid chase him around the field
(40:31):
telling him he's got to talk to this radio station
and that it's not gonna work with Bill. That's just
not his personality, and that was always my question. I'm
like Mike Lombardi and Belichick, these are NFL dudes. Remember
when Charlie Weiss came to Notre Dame and everybody was like,
he's an NFL guy, he's a little gruff. And my
take was, Charlie tried. Charlie would go on shows, Charlie
played the game. If Charlie Weiss was in the NIL era,
(40:53):
maybe it works better. He could just buy players. I
think this model now can work for NFL guys. But
this stuff that's coming out now, it's okay. I'll say
it one more time. I don't know what a sex
shop slash museum is. It doesn't sound like the googenneime.
(41:15):
I don't know what it is. And here's the air thing.
I don't want to know what it is. I if
I go to that town, I'm not stopping for red lights.
If I'm just driving straight through that town on Cape Cod.
This thing's getting weird. It is it is Bitcoin. Nobody
knows what's happening tomorrow. Don't listen to anybody. There could
be six other stories cooking on this. Congrats to the journalists.
(41:38):
Can you imagine the new York Times, New York Post
journalist guys come here, don't believe what I found. Our
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go. It is a Thursday, and a
very different Thursday than we predicted. The Lakers exit stage right,
they are How did Minnesota lose a game in this series?
It's over jmac humble tide. But you know what, we
(00:49):
always bring Chris Finch on the show that the t
Wolves coach during the season. I think next time we
call him he will be available once again. I mean
that was impressive.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Very very crazy winding.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Three games for the Lakers. Greg Okay, here we go.
Simplest explanation. Chris Finch and his staff worked, JJ Reddick
and his staff, and Minnesota's best players out played the
lakers best players. I mean, Austin Reeves a no show.
(01:26):
Lebron last couple of games looked tired and Luca's worst
qualities were exposed. There was a late sequence in this
game with about two forty five left. It was a
late sequence where Julius Randall blew by Luca and scored. Okay,
so he blows by Luca's right here, just blows by
(01:49):
him and scores. On the other end, Luca misses a
layup and then complains about it to the referee. And
while he's complaining, the Tea Wolves in transition ant scores
on the other end. From a two point game to ballgame.
Luca daisical. And by the way, I'm not saying the
MAVs won the trade with the Lakers. But Nico Collison
(02:11):
slept very well last night. Harrison, Excuse me, Nico Harrison
slept very very well last night. Listen Lebron in the
fourth quarter of the last two games, you saw it.
He was tired. He was gassed, two for nine from
the floor. And the Lakers in this series in the
fourth quarter, they got worked. And that was about a
(02:34):
tired Lebron and a coaching staff in Minnesota that pulled
all the right levers. The Lakers in the fourth quarter
scored seventeen thirteen twenty, nineteen sixteen, and JJ Reddick's insistence
got very stubborn. His insistence to play only five guys
(02:55):
the entire second half of Game four, which is bizarrely.
I mean, it's historically bizarre. That's the only thing I
can say. I'm not a coach, it's just historically, I've
never seen it. I've never thought it would be discussed.
This is a small ball team that was already outsized
(03:15):
the entire series and out rebounded the entire series. So
you're the smaller or less physical team, and you're gonna
play your guys the entire second half and one of
them is in his forties. Okay, and JJ Reddick before
the game got very defensive about this.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Is there an assistant or someone maybe that you'll lean
on tonight maybe to try to get you know, some
other guys involved if that opportunity presitions.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Are you saying that because I'm inexperienced and that was
an inexperienced decision that I made.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Do you think I don't talk to my assistance about
substitutions every single time out?
Speaker 7 (03:55):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I just think there's a lot of coaches lean on
their assistance in those situations.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
As every single time. That's a weird assumption, bro, It's
not the moment to be the coolest, smartest guy in
the room. You went heavy small ball with the oldest
star in the league. You didn't sub him. And Lebron
looked tired in Game four of the end, and he
(04:21):
looked tired last night. Plus Minnesota, which was already a
bigger team, leaned into their size. Rudy Gobert, a defensive player,
might as well have been Wilt Chamberlain last night. He
was unstoppable. That's on coaching. And by the way, JJ,
what is Maxy Kleeber doing on the floor late? This
(04:41):
was a coaching mismatch Julius Randall and McDaniels Gobert. They
outplayed the Lakers players and the te Wolves own the
fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is not just the stars quarter,
it's the coaching quarter. This is not a complicated breakdown.
Better coach, better does decisions, a more complete roster, and
(05:02):
better fourth quarters. I mean, Lebron wasn't terrible in the fourth.
He was clearly exhausted. Probably not going to play him
in an entire second half when you're already the smaller team.
And by the way, Chris Finch and his guys, his staff,
they were already bigger. They made an adjustment to make
(05:25):
Rudy Gobert the centerpiece last night and you're playing late
Maxi Kleeber, what are we doing here? So in the playoffs,
let's be honest about it. Their truth serum. Austin Reeves,
y'all love him. But in the playoffs, when it's the
same teams playing the same guys night after night after night,
(05:49):
Austin Reeves moves into town. You're tired. You played last night?
He drops twenty two. Wow. He's undrafted, and Minnesota exposed him.
They sent their drafted better athletes at Austin Reeves and
he didn't do anything. The playoffs are truth serum, and
the truth is this Laker roster is incomplete. JJ Reddick
(06:12):
made a bad decision in Game four and got defensive
about it, and the fourth quarters t Wols players, we're
better than the Lakers stars. It's not a shot at
Lebron or even Luca, although can we now all be
honest about Luca's conditioning and defense. They're going after him regularly.
(06:34):
Here was Charles Barkley on J. J. Reddick's pushback, anger
and rigidity.
Speaker 8 (06:43):
He just is a little sensitive.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Not listen.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
One of the things that people say they never watched television.
We all lie, all jocks watched television, and he's been
getting criticized the last point outs for playing those guys,
and he just sensitive just say, hey, you know what,
if I had it, nobody everybody's afraid to say I
was wrong. All he had to do was say, hey,
you know what, I shouldn't have played those guys the
(07:06):
whole second half, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Then it would have been over. We always consider in
America football to be the coaches sport, but you get
into the playoffs and I watched this series, and I'm
not just saying this because I don't know JJ Reddick,
I know Chris Finch a little, but there was one
coaching staff pulling all the right levers on this and Minnesota.
(07:29):
I mean that was so obvious last night. Remember we
talked about this yesterday. They were six and a half
point underdog. I'm like, are the Laker players getting taller?
Is Lebron getting younger? Like they were bigger, and they
leaned into Rudy Gobert. So they clearly as a staff
said guys, we got an edge here. Size doesn't get
smaller fast. Guys can get slower over a series. But
(07:52):
size doesn't get smaller, and they just went all in
on Gobert and he was unstoppable. Rudy Gobert, his entire
career has been stoppable, completely stoppable. Last night he was unstoppable.
I mean, Maxi Kleeber playing guys in the entire second half.
(08:16):
I'm sorry. Coaching better players, better levers, pulled better roster. Okay,
here's another thing. So I have been on this topic.
The Warriors got smoked, and I mean they waved the
white flag eight minutes ten. Good for Houston. I'm going
to be wrong on this series. Golden State is going
to go back home and probably win it. But I've
been on this forever. You don't need seven games in
(08:38):
the first round. When this league was at its most
popular with MJ, first round was five games. League was
never more popular. It's all greed. I mean, y'all told
me Florida is going to win the national championship in
a sudden death tournament in marks they did. Okay, four
number one seeds made the final. Four. Okay, you don't
need seven games to learn waters wet. So what happened
(09:01):
last night is it was an embarrassment for the NBA.
I mean, it was a white flag, raise it three
minutes into the game. The other thing that happened is Houston,
the bigger, longer, more physical team with a lot of
energy and a lot of good young players. They went
after Steph Curry's hand, or at least that's what people
are claiming, that they were grabbing him and banging on it.
(09:21):
And I got to be honest, I'm not sure it's
a bad strategy. I mean, if you know that a
team has already mailed it in, it'd be one thing.
If the game was close, you couldn't worry about that.
You'd have to worry about the game. But Houston's like, yeah,
the game's over all, right, let's leave a little bit
of a damage here, and let's grab and clush and
(09:43):
push and bang on Steph Curry. And whether they did
it purposefully or not, when you're playing games where one
team is decided, hey, let's just take the flight home
and wrap it up, you gave Houston an opportunity to
think about some things, not have to worry about game strategy,
(10:04):
to maybe make this one a little more interesting when
you go home. So this is why I've said before
first round should be three games. Well, what if blankety
blank loses? Yeah, what if they do? College basketball has
significantly inferior basketball to the NBA. Yep, March Madness gets
(10:27):
big ratings because you have to watch the games. Do
you have to watch the games? But yet the number
one seeds all show up Florida. You told me they
were going to win those Why you don't need You
don't need seven games first round, you don't need I
don't think you need five. I'd go three games into
five finals only for historical purposes. We can play seven.
(10:49):
I would have no problem with the finals being five.
But World Series, NBA Finals, it's been seven. Let's just
do it that way. But I thought this was a
bad look for the NBA. And I'm looking at stats
the morning. Is the average margin of victory in these playoffs,
and there have been great games in great series. It's
the second highest ever. There's been too many unwatchable blowout games.
(11:09):
And I mean wave the flag four minutes in games
which gave the Rockets a chance to go Steph hunting,
and here here with Steve Kerr.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
After players are going to do whatever they're allowed to do,
and so after every on every release, you know, Steph's
getting getting hit. But it's basically within the rules. So
this is how the league wants it right now. And
you know, I know, we got thirty coaches who all
(11:40):
think it's it's just idiotic that we allow this. So
players all over the league are just taking shots at
guys shooting hands after release because they know it's not
gonna be a foul.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, here's the other thing why I do not like
a seven game series until the final One of the
things all leagues want. I mean, if you're a Major
League Baseball if you're Rob Manfred, I want Aaron Judge
playing for the next fifteen years. I hope he's wobbling
out to the field. He's a star attraction. In the NFL,
I want Patrick Mahomes playing forever. That's why the NFL
(12:15):
doesn't let hit the quarterbacks. Keep your icons forever. You
want all your stars playing into Brady years. In the
basketball world, you want to extend Steph. The way to
extend him isn't have him play meaningless games, which your
entire staff and organization acknowledges. Let's just get back home.
I mean Stephan Butler. Stephan Butler did not have a
(12:38):
point between the two of them in the second quarter,
a decision had been made. I'm not knocking the decision
by Kurt. I'm not knocking the decision by the Warriors.
They don't have the length, the size, the dexterity, and frankly,
they don't have the youth. They can't give you a
great game and a loss. They're like saving the energy.
I would do it too. Draymond thirties, Butler thirties, Curry thirties,
(13:00):
odd the only young guy that can count on. But
I thought this was another example of what are we
doing here? No reason this should be a seven game series,
and it was. And Houston said, all right, you're gonna
mail it in. We can mess around a little. And
whether they did or not, it's not illegal, all right,
(13:20):
j Mac. By the way, for those wondering about steph
we have a picture of his thumb. It was bad
going in. It's probably worse this morning. And you know,
Steve Kerr was speaking for a lot of coaches when
he said, you know you're letting all this physicality happen again.
I am for physicality. You're against it. You know, if
you're more finesse, I'm more power.
Speaker 10 (13:41):
I'm not against it. I just think that too much
is too much? You want Curry getting hurt, you want
Tatum getting hurt. I mean, jeez, you lose Anthony Edwards
or something to a goon ish foul next round, It's like,
come on, what are we doing? I just don't love
the big time physical play.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm sorry, I'm not a huge right, Okay, we got
good stuff today. Rachel Nichols will have more about this
coming up. Just a fun day. The Lakers are done
and I've mostly been a Lebron defender, but oh boy,
here we go. Will he retire? Willy? Will he not?
We'll talk about that coming up.
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Just to tell you, and and I think it's fair
to say I'm not somebody that bangs on NBA coaches
a lot, but Julius Randall and Rudy Gobert last night
are out playing Lebron and Luca. That's coaching, like right,
that is coaching part of that is playing Luca and
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Lebron in Game four the entire second half. I know
they have a couple of days off, but they also
had to fly across country or you know, Minneapolis to
La three and a half hours. You know, you get
in late, you got to shoot around the day of
the game, like like Lebron needs time off. That's why
Lebron was more effective early in this series and in
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first halfs than late. So it's just a coaching decision
I don't agree with. But the fact that Julius Randall,
who had never been a great playoff guy, had a
tremendous series. That's Chris Finch and the staff, and it
was game one it was like, guys, they don't match
up with him. And then Rudy Gobaer looking like Wilt
Chamberlain last night. That's the best playoff game he's ever played.
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Why that's that's matchups. That that's matchups. So I mean,
and don't we don't talk a lot of coaching. We
talk about MJ. This MJ that Michael Jordan was in
Chicago and was really good, but he won't win in
big titles and fourth quarters until Phil Jackson showed up.
Coaching matters in this sport. So listen, I've been a
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Lebron defender. I mean ninety nine percent of the stuff.
A little bit of the too much browny kind of
manufacturing stuff there I don't love. But it's his son.
I get it. But but this is where Lebron's critics,
you know, they've always said, oh, he plays the victim,
he extends drama, and I you know whatever, he's a
superstar in America. Happens. But he was asked last night
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if he's coming back. We all know the answer to this.
Here was here was his thoughts. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I don't have the answer to that. Something I said
out with my family, my wife and my support group
and kind of just talk through it and see what happens.
And then they just have a conversation with myself and
how long I want to continue to play. It's a
business too, so you don't know what the roster look
like next year, besides the guys that's locked into contracts.
(16:44):
So we all, I mean, I got a lot to
think about myself, so I don't I don't know what
the roster will look like. I don't know what I'm
you know, where I stand right now.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I do as one of the ten best players. You're
coming back. This is what he said last year after
they lost to Denver. There's been a lot of comps
to Tom Brady for Lebron, and they make sense. Totally
committed winning late in their career, bizarrely good for their age.
(17:16):
But this is where he's got a little Brett Farve
kind of seeking, you know, assurance drama. Please come back.
Stop Lebron against the Timberwolves, struggled in fourth quarters. He
should for his age, but he did average twenty five
and nine. That was second on the team and first
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on the team. By the way, his last fifteen playoff games,
he's average twenty seven eight to eight, shooting fifty four percent.
He's a top ten player in the game. He looked
tired in this series. Yeah, Game four second half had
a lot to do with the last two fourth quarters. Sorry,
that's on JJ Reddick. I don't care if you ask Lebron,
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hey man, can you play the entire second half? You
don't play Lebron the entire second half. What you saw
at the end of Game four and the end of
Game five is Lebron basically losing his legs. Doing a
great job defensively, but he didn't have his jumper and
he didn't have quite the burst, which is totally explainable.
(18:21):
So Lebron, you're coming back. Just ask yourself this. If
Lebron announced his retirement in a week, would it not
be shocking? Of course it would. If Lebron announced in
a week he's coming back, would you be shocked? No,
And that's why we don't need the drama. We all
know the answer here. He's got another son he enjoys.
(18:43):
I mean, listen, Luca was disappointing, but you're gonna tell
me you're not gonna come back for Luca, who will
probably be in, if not great shape, better shape. Lebron's
coming back. J Mack with a news No, no, no,
this is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Thank you, but it just giving me my lead for tomorrow,
big guy.
Speaker 10 (19:06):
Uh yes, anyways, let's go to h tonight's big game.
How about this Pistons Knicks Colin Big One from Detroit
Knicks are hoping to polish off Detroit. Cave Cunningham kid's
been on fire in his first playoff series. He all
but guaranteed Detroit will be back at MSG for game
seven bold words from a pretty mild manner guy. However,
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Detroit is zero to two at home in the series
against the Knicks. Too tough light losses, Colin, who you
got tonight? By the way, you want to guess the line?
I was surprised by this, Okay, don't tell me think
Detroit minus one and a half.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Oh, come on, somebody told you. Damn you nailed that.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You didn't tell you. Guys, didn't tell me nothing.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
Okay, I'm surprised honestly. Now, maybe Brunson and Hart are
not one hundred percent. They went down late in Game five.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Well, I mean, I mean we're watching this thing. Is
there's an argument late in games? Kate Cunningham's the best
player on the floor. Oh well, I think he's the
best athlete on the floor.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Best athlete. Okay.
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Jalen Brunson was like the clutch time winner in the
NBA this year for points.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
No. No, I like Jalen Brunson. But home teams can
get a friendly whistle. What if Jalen doesn't get him
that fourth quarter whistle because Kate Cunningham probably will?
Speaker 10 (20:23):
Ye, Kate, we got Kate stats here in the first round.
Listen man twenty five, eight and eight, one point six deals,
one point four blocks.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I don't know why you don't you when you watch him,
how do you not see him as the best player
in the series.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well, he's a little younger than Brunson. Not his experience.
Speaker 10 (20:40):
Brunson's been in these battles in college in the NBA.
I would take Brunson now going forward, like who you
want the next five years Kate Cunningham. Obviously this would
do a lot for the Cunningham job Morant debate.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Is there one? By the way, No, I just thought
of this. If Detroit wins tonight, all those nerds that
are always like the games are rigged. Well, God, can
you imagine the NBA if it was rig saying Okay,
I want the Tea Wolves to knock the Lakers and
Lebron out quickly. I want the Knicks to get dusted
off by the Pistons and somebody hurt. Steph Curry also
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also Adam Silver. I want Rudy Gobert to look like Wilt.
I mean, literally, what is happening is the oh oh
in Oklahoma City? In Cleveland. I want them to be
the best teams in them.
Speaker 10 (21:28):
For all the good ratings hype, and they've had a
great playoff run so far. Colin, I'm a little nervous
going forward for the NBA because you know all these
ratings watchers.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Look, the ratings are down, they're down.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Oh the legs tell you.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Eventually, eventually at Boston and Cleveland play that will be
one for the ages. You're gonna have like nine elite players,
like nine A minus up players on the floor. That's
going to be an insane Yeah, to.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Go back to your American basketball players list.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
Donovan Mitchell has to be top five for a young
basketball and we're eliminating Currie Durant Lebron.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Donovan Mitchell's awesome, And.
Speaker 10 (22:09):
You're right, they got to get by the Pacers first, Colin,
I don't think that's a lock, but we'll have funny
time to talk about that. Let's move to the NFL
and it's Shadoor Sanders time. We're still talking about him.
The Embers are still burning, but it's because Travis Kelcey
is coming out in defense of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
He's upset about all this bashing of Shadour in pre
draft interviews.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
I think whoever's a anonymous person that's saying this should
come out and say who they.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Were and sho me what your chef? Like, what is
that about?
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Like, if you're going to leak that type of be
the one that says that, yeah, it just didn't go
well for us.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
You know, don't say they were anonymous.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
You know that's so blame like, like, I.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Don't know, I just feel like there's no validity to it.
This is going to be such a fresh start for him,
and now it's it's going to feel I can see
him working his ass off and becoming the starting quarterback
in Cleveland at some point for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Okay, two things are true. I think he's going to
become the starter too. But in my world, let me
defend anonymous sources. The reason I'm going to dinner tonight
with a really good source. The reason anonymous sources are
great because people are willing to be harsher and more
honest if it's anonymous. I'll give you an example. Nobody
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wants to humiliate you or and put their name on it.
Because if you're a scout who I have as a source,
you're going back to Colorado. So you don't have to
love anonymous sources, but you the audience, if you watch
this show, are rewarded by that anonymity because I get
more brutally honest takes. So this idea that every anonymous
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source is bad I want in my job, I'm a
conduit to the audience. I talk to sources, then I
talk to the audience. Want you deserve and want the
best stuff. You're not getting it with quotes. You're gonna
get cliched stuff. Oh he's a terrific player. Listen, the
New York Giants interview was bad. Okay, Brian Dable won't
publicly hammer him, But the people that are saying it
(24:13):
was bad are people I trust and have for years,
one of them a friend of Brian Babel. So it
went really poorly. It's important for the audience and us
to know that, right Like it validates why stuff, especially
when somebody drops precipitously. Historically You're like, what in the
we want an answer? Okay, I government doesn't always get
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us an answer. Usually in sports we get finality and
ann And I've also said this the draft KMAC more
than anything we cover, we get lied to before the
draft more than anything we cover. I've said that for
as long as i've been on radio. That's why I
rely on like four guys. I know. I don't bring
any stragglers in because you can just get manipulated as
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a media member.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So my only pushback and again anonymous work. They're fine.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
Why is it that ninety percent of anonymous sources are negative?
Why don't we get the opposite end of the spectrum.
This guy crushed every interview. He's going to dominate because
you could just put your name on.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
That, and I'm fred. Why are ninety percent of things
you say to your wife positive because you don't look
good in that dress? Ruins the night? Right? Ninety percent
of the things I say to Anne are positive occasionally
and with great discretion, all be critical, and she's probably
the same for me. So the bottom line is if
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you have friends, you ever had a great friend, and
you're positive around him, you may once a year say bro,
that doesn't work. But you know how rigid guys are.
You don't keep banging up. Sometimes you don't say the
harshest truth to people because hey, it's mean, b there's
no payoff for you. But you'll dog cush your buddy
to another buddy and say, dude, Jim's enuck.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Case.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know this idea that honesty is always the great answer.
Our presidents earned always honest, our governors, our senators, our
CROs also gets.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
That's what's getting the White House in all this trouble.
When you surround yourself with yes men. I want the
brutal honesty. Listen when we talk Colin off air, and
if I ever step out of pocket, I want.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
You to check me.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
I don't want you to go complaining to management. Come
to me, be like j Mac. You can't do that.
You can't say now you haven't done that. So I
think we're rolling right, But I want honest.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
That was the rule. I'd be doing that six times
a day to you.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
This guy, this guy all right.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Final story is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now this is
a great pick. We both love Abuka al of Ohio State.
He went nineteenth. Just a great offensive weapon. Now, Jason
liked your boy. The GM talked about how he was
a top ten player on the Tampa board. And essentially
this is kind of insurance for Chris Godwin. Hey, buddy,
(26:51):
don't rush back. We just got a Buka. So I
kind of like this pick for Tampa. They've still got
three really good receivers, good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
They've had some changes.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
With the OC because their OC kids getting plucked from
I'm not sure what I have on Tampa this year.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Where are you on them? Well, I think they're I
think they're the most talented team. I think Atlanta's got
some really interesting pieces. But I don't know what Michael
Pennix is going to be. But I will say this
about Iboka and Jason Light's a great GM. I've been
I'm bragging about him for several years. He is one
of the great all time scouts in the league. He
became a GM, he was such a profound scout. But
the true truth is, in a draft that didn't have
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a lot of stars. I said this before the draft.
Of the three people I asked about and met Muko,
there was not even a butt. Great kid, great character,
great routes, great work ethic, mostly slot could play aside.
There wasn't even a criticism. Now, people said you're not
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going to run a four to two nine, But there
wasn't a single butt every and you get players like
that in great drafts. But everybody I talked to was like,
oh no, this kid is absolutely can't miss. We generally
look at a camp miss player jmack as a five
star like Aiden Hutchinson at Michigan, is like, can't miss kid,
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that's obvious because he's just so dominant. Or a Reggie
Wide out of Tennessee or Charles Woodson out of Michigan.
You're like, that's a camp miss. This was a camp
miss based on some athleticism. But there are certain football players.
A GM once told me this, you can tell their
work ethic by their game, and one of those positions
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is wide receiver. Another one of those positions is offensive tackle.
You can see the work they put in. The great
ones have better hands, if they're more coachable. This kid's
going to be a stud particular.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I totally agree like him a lot.
Speaker 10 (28:46):
I was looking to see if they play Dallas because
a lot of Dallas fans are ticked off they didn't
get Golden or a Buka because they need a receiver.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Colin.
Speaker 10 (28:53):
I'm looking at the Tampa schedule and I'm sure we'll
do this when this schedule comes out, but holy hell, this,
these are these the road games for your division winning bucks.
At the Rams, that's a loss. At Seattle Outdoors, we
don't know. At Miami we'll see if it's in the
heat or not. At Buffalo definite loss, at Detroit loss,
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at Houston Division winner. You gotta dude, that is a
tough schedule, my friend.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
No, you got it first of all, easy division and
with Baker Mayfield and the weapons, they're gonna win one
of those games.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Well it did.
Speaker 10 (29:25):
I got Falcons, you got a Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I haven't made my call yet. What do you mean
you just did. What are you talking about, Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It's not that anonymous sources can't be abused, but the
idea there's nothing from them. You get better information if
you like this show, or any show. It could be
Dan Patrick's, it could be it could be anybody's. It
could be Stephen A. Smith. You're getting your best information
when it's anonymous. I mean, I'm sorry. My entire career,
the harshest comments, the most real comments are often list
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I put my name on it and get crushed. But
especially with social media now and the avalanche, you don't
want any part of that stuff. But I get told
stuff every other day. It's like, hey, man, just keep
your eyes up on this and occasionally I quote GMS,
I mean I told you less. Snead said, like, probably
not the year we're going to get a starting quarterback.
(30:25):
I'm honest with that. He was up They looked at
Jackson Dart, but they were upfront about it. And you
can see what they're getting a pick next year. They're trying.
They're going big game hunting next year, which they should
by the way. Coming up next, j Matt, You're not
gonna like this, the Niners playing a little hardball with
brock Prety next.
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Speaker 1 (31:46):
First of all, Tom Pelasorrow was on The Rich Eisland
Show yesterday and said the Niners and Brock pretty 're
not close. He thinks it'll get done, but he said, hey,
they're not close. And my take on that is, if
brock Pritty wants fifty seven million dollars a year agent
not necessarily a well known agent want fifty seven million
a year, it should not be close. Now, do not cave.
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He's got a year left in his contract, and there
are people like a Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, I
will pay early Max Crosby. Oh, you can identify certain
players after a year and a camp. Oh yeah, he's
beating all of our tackles. Yeah, he's got eleven sacks.
Let's sign them early and get a better deal. That's
not brought purty. But let's be brutally honest about here.
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The Niners' biggest rival is in their division, the Rams.
And it felt like three or four years ago, the
Niners have the edge. The Rams have passed them and
blown by them. McVeigh eight years, missed the playoff once,
and he's got a trophy. Shanahan eight years, missed the
playoffs four times. Last year was bad. No trophy. And
by the way, the rosters right now, the Rams have
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far more good, young and expensive players. And that's why
that's why you can keep Matt Stafford. So I'm looking
one of the primary reasons I think the Rams have
blown by I am the Niners pay Christian McCaffrey, Patrent Williams,
I get George Kittle. You gotta start making decisions here
on safeties and linebackers and right tackles. And you can't
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pay every receiver. You can't pay Deebo and Ayuk right,
And so the Rams have a much better defense and
they're paying nobody on that side. They have the better quarterback.
I think they have the better coach. Arguably they have
the better offensive line. You have to use discretion on
this stuff. And I think this is a classic example
is that you know, the Rams are a little like
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McVeigh is a little like the Godfather. It's not personal,
it's business. And they've told Von Miller that, and they've
told Jalen Ramsey that, and they told Jared Goff that,
and they've told multiple people that. They told Matt Stafford that,
we really like you. It's not personal. But this is
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the number. I'm not letting brock Purty push me around.
And I say this all the time. You know, like
your sports, love your family, don't run onto the court
like Halliburton's dad. You know, Shadr hire an agent, right, Like,
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love your family, like your sports. And this is the
way when I look at the Rams and McVeigh and
less need. They like their players, but they move off
Todd Gurley and Cooper Cup and Jalen Ramsey very quickly.
The Niners fall in love with players. Yeah, maybe Trent
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Williams in his prime. Just send me the check. I'll
sign it. But you go look at the Dallas Cowboys.
They're the example here. Dallas Cowboys pay a good quarterback
a plus money and look at that roster right now.
Once you do that, you cannot whiff on draft picks.
And it looks like last year Cowboys may have on
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a first round pick, and this year people are saying
they overdrafted another offensive lineman. You start paying your big stars.
The Niners have missed on some draft picks, and the
Rams have missed on like one interior lineman a couple
of years ago. So the Rams are drafting, they're hitting
on more draft picks, they're using more discretion, and they're
(35:21):
not top heavy. And so when I hear this story
on Rock Purty, people think I don't like brock Purty. No,
I don't like paying Rock thirty fifty seven million. I
love brock Purty at thirty one. I like him at
forty one. I'm not caving at fifty three. So okay,
the Bill Belichick Jordan Hudson's story has taken an interesting turn.
(35:49):
So I had two strong opinions on this story, I
now have three. My first opinion was bit cringey. He's
seventy plus she's twenty four. Then I watched this CBS
interview which she stepped in front of and like a
professional set, you're not talking about our private relationship. My
second opinion was it's still age wise, a little creepy,
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but in college football, old Bill needs this. He just
happens to be dating it too, but he needs this.
Then another story came out, and skeletons are starting to
be unearthed and reporters are starting to report. There was
a story in the New York Post yesterday that Jordan
Hudson has amassed eight million dollars in real estate, multiple homes,
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starting at the time she started dating Bill. Who am
I to prive? Another part of this story is looking
back at her family, who had a fishing business that
went bankrupt. Her mother moved to Cape Cod. And now
I'll only say this once manages a sex toy shop
(36:56):
and museum didn't know they existed. The museum part doesn't
sound like the Smithsonian, But who am I to be snarky?
The family's a little different, it does appear. Now I'll
have a third opinion, which is they are both benefiting
in multiple ways from each other. Whatevs. It's gone from
(37:23):
cringy to crucial to crypto. I don't know what the
hell I'm going to get tomorrow. That's why I don't
invest in it. And here's the thing. She is providing
a service. Take your mind out of the gutter. She
is providing a service as his social media director. And
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she liked to be compensated for it. That's I think
where we are. But let's go back to the beginning
and my skepticism when this happened. What was my first opinion,
Like the day it happened. Bill doesn't even watch much
college football. I can tell from his he's terrible. Bill's
an NFL guy. He's not spending saturdays on the couch
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like his his contacts, like he'd call Urban Meyer or
Nick Saban, what do you got for me? Herm Edwards.
But I never thought of him as a college football guy.
College football coaches. Nick Saban may seem grumpy. Nick Saban's funny,
Nick Saban's social, Nick Saban's personal. I've been around Nick
once or twice. He lights up a room. Nick is funny.
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He's a good storyteller. He could laugh at himself that's
not Bill. Bill's a pro football coach, and that's not
a bad thing. But Bill never had this like Urban Meyer.
To me, has always been a college football coach. Urban
Meyer told me years ago, I love Urban He's a friend.
He told me years ago, I don't watch pro football
on Sunday. I watch Ohio State game tape. Like Urban
took the job, made his money. He was always a
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college football coach. The NFL thing didn't fit. Bill was
always an NFL coach. Then he brings Mike Lombardi, who
I know. He brought him over. Lombardi's an NFL guy.
And I said this when it happened. I said, you
think Bill Belichick had no patient for Robert Kraft, He
had no patience for NFL owners. You think he's going
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to sit around and have an sid run the show,
or an athletic director or some goofy donor or that
this was always an uneven relationship. The minute UNC gave
him ten million dollars a year to a guy who'd
never coached collin college football. He has his dad coached
at Navy, but he never showed any great inclination for it.
(39:30):
In fact, the only reason this thing makes sense is
because at NIL we're Bill can out by players and
doesn't have to hop in a jet every fifteen minutes
and recruit guys. So I do think it potentially could
work through NIL. But this was an uneven relationship. Carolina
was desperate and Bill's like, all right, I want ten
million bucks and oh, by the way, if I want
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to leave in a year, I can. No other college
contract is paying a guy ten large a year plus
and he can just leave whatever he wants to do.
Is always an uneven relationship. So Bill's gonna do what
he wants. And again, I do think Jordan Hudson, I
mean these stories, I don't know what to make of it.
I just they're both there, they're both benefiting, and you know,
(40:11):
my wife doesn't you know, you know, she's you know,
I get a lot of this is just inappropriate. Yeah,
I get that crowd like like, but this, you know,
people get into relationships whatever. I'm not here to judge.
I do think she is providing something that he would
not tolerate, having some sid chase him around the field
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telling him he's got to talk to this radio station
and that it's not gonna work with Bill. That's just
not his personality, and that was always my question. I'm
like Mike Lombardi and Belichick, these are NFL dudes. Remember
when Charlie Weiss came to Notre Dame and everybody was like,
he's an NFL guy, he's a little gruff. And my
take was, Charlie tried. Charlie would go on shows, Charlie
played the game. If Charlie Weiss was in the NIL era,
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maybe it works better. He could just buy players. I
think this model now can work for NFL guys. But
this stuff that's coming out now, it's okay. I'll say
it one more time. I don't know what a sex
shop slash museum is. It doesn't sound like the googenneime.
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I don't know what it is. And here's the air thing.
I don't want to know what it is. I if
I go to that town, I'm not stopping for red lights.
If I'm just driving straight through that town on Cape Cod.
This thing's getting weird. It is it is Bitcoin. Nobody
knows what's happening tomorrow. Don't listen to anybody. There could
be six other stories cooking on this. Congrats to the journalists.
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journalist guys come here, don't believe what I found. Our
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