April 10, 2025 • 41 mins
Jason McIntyre filling in for Colin
Thoughts on Luka Doncic returning to play the Dallas Mavericks for the first time as a member of the Los Angeles Lakers
What to make of the cryptic T.J. Watt Instagram post
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Welcome to the Herd.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
On a beautiful Thursday out here in Los Angeles. Me
Jason McIntyre still in for Colin Coward now.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I haven't talked to.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Him in a couple of days.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I don't know the scuba diving, parasailing.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I don't know what he's doing in uh a clear
blue water area that I'm not allowed to reveal.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
But I'm joined by Alex Curry. Alex is so fired up.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
For today's show. Oh my gosh, last night would have
to you have a date last night talking about Lucas Luca.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I felt like that was his official arrival due to
the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Like best game you saw the tears.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Which was I started crying. I was like, oh no,
you did it happening. I cry when I see other
people crying. I cry at everything, Like I'm a very
emotional here.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I actually vomit when I see other people vomiting, which
is similar. Yet it's not.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Let's not start to start.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Let's not start the show with vomiting. Let's start with
the tears.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Because the tears were flowing, and then the points were
last night in Dallas for Luka donc It's mom man.
You know this is real. Honestly, guys, I'm not like
a starstruck individual. But I did run into Steph Curry
a couple years ago. I was like, Steff, I gotta
get a photo. You know, there's only a handful of
athletes I do that for, and Luka Doncic is right
there at the top. I am so in awe of
this guy to watch him crying pregame back in Dallas
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last night, sitting on the bench, and then he comes
in and just starts dropping threse.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Folks.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
It was a phenomenal event last night in Dallas. You
don't see this often, and I'm so happy for Luka Doncic.
You guys know I'm a Laker fan obviously, but watching him,
watch that tribute video and ps, there was a lot
of skinny Luca in that tribute video.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
He has put on some weight, no.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Doubt about it. We'll get to Nico Harrison and why
he traded him shortly, but then Luca.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Just comes out. Look at him cooking, step back.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Three ad how you like that? It was a masterclass
from Luca. Forty five points his I guess you'd say
his best game is a Laker. It's only game twenty seven, folks,
that's like one third of a regular season with the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Luca was cooking all night.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Lakers get the win, and I believe last night's game
was pretty much a blueprint for what we'll see in
the playoffs. Luca early set the tone. He's fresh. Nobody
can guard him. I'm sorry, even though he's heavier than
he used to be, nobody can guard Luka Doncic.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And then Luca gets his rest.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Lebron comes in late as the closer fourteen for Lebron
in the fourth Lakers inch closer to that coveted third seed.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And if you look at what Luca did.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
In the first half, he had thirty one points, the
maps star at thirty five.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Luca was phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And after the game, here's Luca talking about the tribute
video and his return to Dallas, so many emotions.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
When I was watching that video, I was like, there's
no way I'm playing this vie.
Speaker 8 (03:14):
But you know, all my teammates time my back.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
They were really supporting me.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So I really appreciate.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That, folks.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
It was an event like we haven't seen before in sports. Okay,
most of these guys who leave their franchises do it willingly, voluntarily.
I want out. Lebron departs Cleveland from Miami. I'm taking
my talents.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
To South Beach.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But when he went back to Cleveland, the vibe was hostile.
The environment was tense. It was like, oh, this could
get ugly. That's not anybody do anything stupid, and it
was just like not a great atmosphere. Okay. And then
Kevin Durant right starts his career in Seattle and then
Oklahoma City, and then he decides I'm out. I don't
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want to be here anymore. And it was a smart
move by Lebron to go to Miami. We agree it
was a smart move by Kevin Durant to leave OKC
for Golden State.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Many of you disagree. I think that was a genius move.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
By Kevin Durant. I totally agree with it. I've defended
it for years, but when KD went back to Oklahoma City,
he was met with venom, bile anger, all the cupcake
nonsense started by his frenemie Russell Westbrook. Folks, this is
something we haven't seen before. Luca was met with an
applause the second he walked into the arena. You saw
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Lakers Luca jerseys on MAVs fans. It was a crazy setting.
And again, I mean, I can't even think of anything
across any sport where we've seen this before. And for
Luca to thrive in that environment. After crying, I will
say I loved that JJ Reddick had them give the
take foul late in the game with about ninety seconds left,
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just so they could sub out Luca. And then it
was a round of applause right whole arena standing ovation
for Luca. He gets to the bench and Lebron is leading.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
The Luca Luca like Austin Reeves. Lebron the whole bench.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
They're fired up, standing up, and the arena's backing Luca.
This is Dallas. It was just a chrus See. We
haven't seen that before. I don't know that we'll see
one of those again. And We'll get to why shortly,
but I want to hear I want you to hear
JJ Reddick talk about everything that encompassed Luca going home.
This is great.
Speaker 9 (05:21):
The moment with a tribute video and him sitting by
himself and getting to actually live that and live in
the moment and allowing himself to be vulnerable, and his
teammates support.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Some of his.
Speaker 9 (05:41):
Teammates got emotional, some of the coaches got emotional.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It was a beautiful moment.
Speaker 9 (05:48):
I thought the video was great, but I think just
his ability to then go perform lights turn on. You know,
he's teary eyed still as we walk out on the
court for the tipball. To have the emotional resolve to
then go put on that kind of performance, It's superhuman.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
That's a great way. JJ Reddick is so good, by
the way, as the Lakers coach love him, and I
saw interesting sat from ESPN. Last night was the first
time Dirk Novitski attended a Dallas home game since the trade.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Okay, he went to Luca's first game with the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Okay, he's now this is his first game at a
Dallas at the arena since they dealt Luca. What does
that tell you. And this is the other angle I
want to get to. I talked earlier this week about
I'm a risk taker by nature, whether it's moving my
family across my country, quitting my job to start a website.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You know, obviously I like gambling. I enjoy going to Vegas.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I don't know what word I would use to describe
my sports gambling habits.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I like prolific. But you know, not every season is winning.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I'm a risk taker, and I think a lot of
people in this industry are kind. I gotta you put
yourself out there. I'm on National TV talking about how
I love Steph Curry and Luka Donci's like, this isn't
normal behavior, Nor is what Nico Harrison did in Dallas
trading Luka dodgis.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Now.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
We drilled down on this in the morning meeting, trying
to figure out, like a can they rebound from this
and be like where do you go from here?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
If you're Nico Harrison and I started thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I was gonna have my morning donut, but it didn't
show up in the dressing room this morning. I don't know.
I guess they forgot it. You know, I've been needing
some sugar energy to get fired up for the show.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Cowherd's on magnesium.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I've been using donuts and I just wonder if Nico
Harrison has such a bad spot right now for himself.
There were fire Nico champs throughout the arena last night.
It's like, Luca, Luca, we love you, Nico Harrison, Fire Nico.
And then they have the video of him in the
tunnel just standing their stoneface, like, oh my gosh, what
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am I going to do to dig out of this hole?
I don't know that they can get out of it
and stop with the Hey, Kyrie is gonna come back
from the ACL maybe by the All Star break next year.
It's gonna be fine, folks. They've got Kyrie and ad
As there as. They're like they're nucleus. Those are two
guys who are often injured. They've played together for twenty
five minutes. That's it on the court since the trade,
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and I started to have this moment of clarity and
I'm like, wait a minute, Wait a minute. Nico Harrison
has been a big swing guy. He took a big
swing for Kyrie and it worked when he was opposite
Luka Doncic. Then the next year he goes out and
gets PJ. Washington and uh and Daniel Gaffert and everybody's like,
I don't know about those guys. They haven't done anything.
Those swings worked, Dallas got to the finals. Then he
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took a swing he didn't need to, shipping Luca to
the Lakers. Lakers fans, by the way, haven't been this
excited about a star coming to town.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Since Pauga Sol was gifted to them.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Didn't we get the Statue of Liberty from like Paris
or something? Gosh, I probably butchered that, but it felt
like that's what they're teams are just handing the Lakers stars.
Here's Pawgasol, Here's Luca don And I don't know if
Nico has any way out of this. If this morning,
I'm sure he's looking at some of the videos. I'm
sure he can say I'm not paying attention. There's a
video of Mark Cuban when the fire Nico chants are happening.
(09:12):
Fans near Mark Cuban have a camera on him, and
Mark Cuban's just like, what has happened since I left
this organization as the owner? I mean, he looked like
an Emperor of Rome, who would like step down, and
now Rome's got this new emperor and it's just not
going good at all. I mean, they were in the
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finals less than a year ago. And I keep coming
back to this when you are a big swing guy
by nature, and now your last swing is starting to
be compared to the Babe Ruth trade, which is, you know,
over the last one hundred years in change in sports,
considered the worst trade ever. Okay, I think the Red
Sox were cursed for like one hundred years. You have
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to sort of wonder, how does he get out of this?
And it's not gonna just be Oh, Kyrie's coming back.
And I started to look at the salary cap and
the draft picks. Dallas does have three draft picks in
the first round this year. They're obviously not gonna be
great picks. But you start to wonder who was Kyrie's
guy who followed him to Brooklyn, Kevin Durant. And I
(10:18):
wonder if mister big swing Nico Harrison, hey man, we
gotta do something. Do you make a move in this
offseason for Kevin Durant? Now you could be compounding your mistake.
You know, us investors, we love compound interest. Nico Harrison
is the gambler who's down big and decides, hey, hey,
can I get the car the title to my car?
(10:39):
Let me toss that in there. Here's my watch. And
he's just trying desperately to dig out of a hole.
I wonder if he makes a big swing year and
goes after say Kevin Durant, Hey, kd you just want
to hoop? We got Kyrie, we got ad Can you
come on down. We'll give up everything not bolted down
and all the draft picks give us Kevin Durant. They
need to do something thing because at this point this
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has to be a franchise low for the MAVs since
you know the Roy Tarpley days back in the eighties,
that was a mess. I won't even get into it,
but I've always been a Luka Dancich fan. And to
see him cry on the bench because they traded him,
it's very clear people he did not want to go.
I'm not saying he didn't want to go to Lakers,
but he loved it in Dallas. He was mister Dallas.
(11:23):
There's videos of him with the cowboy hat on Howdy Partner,
like he had embraced his new city. They loved him,
and then one guy or the owners. Some debate as
to who was driving force, but it was pretty clear like, hey,
let's get rid of Luca. And I get it on
some level he does look heavier than he did in
his first three years when he was cooking everybody in
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the league. But folks, historically, this is going to go
down as one of the biggest screw ups in NBA history.
I mean, you could deny it all you want. If
Luca is able to stay healthy, he's on track to
be a top ten player all time. That's just a fact.
If you look at the numbers, he is on track
to be a top ten player all time. Now, obviously,
will the titles come with him, We'll see. I think
(12:07):
they're going to the finals this year. I think the
Lakers with Luca, Lebron, Austin Reeves, they're looking at the
number three seed.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And I'm sure you guys saw what else happened around
the league last night.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Golden State Warriors lose at the buzzer and now in
the play in It's almost like the stars are aligning
for Luca and the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So Alex, you cried last night as a lake.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
I'm an emotional person. And you.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
When you followed that whole trade situation and you saw
how heartbroken Luca was and shocked Luca was with the
trade situation, you could tell how much it meant to him.
And when you see like a big guy, an athlete
who is all the media around him allow himself to
get that emotional, how do you not get emotional? And
(12:54):
it's just it again, like you were just talking about it.
It's not an Eco, it's the ownership. I have like
a way more conspiracy theory like idea to this whole
trade situation, Like it's not like you don't just it's
not his weight, it's it's not like his play. He's
one of the greatest like futures and players right now
in the NBA. Like I think it's ownership and they
own casinos and they want to build a casino complex
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and you're not going to be able to do that.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Dallas isn't letting them do it right now. It's not
working out.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
So you can't like threaten to move the team or
try to get what you want if you have a
championship team and one of the best players in the
NBA on your team, Like I follow the money like that.
That's where my eye is here, Like it's they're not
trying to win, like it is, trying to do the
opposite situation.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
But just to go off the Lucas situation, there was
a really cool.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Stat I saw last night, and he's only the second
player with a forty five point game four and against
the same team in the NBA season. So it's Wilt
Wilt chamber on the other only other players to do that.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
The staff just notifi. I mean, we have sound of
the fire Nico chance, and I get fired up the chance.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Guys, I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Mind leading a chance on the sideline for my daughter's
volleyball team.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Here's a fi fire Nico chance.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
From last night.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Dude, that is insane.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
You know how awkward that is when everyone around you knows,
Oh man, I'm standing next to the dude. Twenty five
thousand people are yelling fired the blank.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
He was the one who had to make the call
and make the move. But there's some debate over that
comes from ownership. And you heard Mark Cuban like when
he was asked about it years ago, He's like, you'll
find me getting a divorce from my wife before I trade.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I don't like it's I mean, I get it. That's
why I'm amazing ownership this morning. You think the owner
was behind it. Yah knows that the owner's smart enough.
He's just some funny guy. Nico which loves Kyrie love
Zad has known them for years.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I don't I don't want to saying the money guy.
They own casinos. They are one of the richest owners.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
They're going to be down to nine figures ALEX based
on according to an ESPN story, their merches down. The
ticket sales are down.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
And you want a casino complex the s finest thing
that they want.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
The sponsors are big matter the bad.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
That's like chun change chump change form.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Gosh, this is bad.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
They want to move locations.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yeah, they're coming out next year. On The Herd, did
one NFL superstar give us a sign yesterday he could
be on the move.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Not good news for an AFC team that's next.
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U t J. Watskond of a bull right, Gosh, I
love that guy. He's a He's an animal coming off
the edge, one of the best edge rushers in the league.
If Max Crosby the Raiders is watching, sorry, I think
TJ watch just a little better.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I need to keep saying that because.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
We got Raiders guys on staff who are like J
mac Layoff. When you tell me to do something, I'm
gonna do the opposite. Anyways, Anyways, TJ. Watt's a really
good football player. Man. I'm the idiot who last summer
hosting the Herd for Colin came on and said, you
want some hot takes for the summer. I would trade
TJ Watt. I would start over, we don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
We're going nowhere.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Trade them get a hole before you got to pay him,
before he gets too old, before he gets injured. Again.
Steelers fans did not like it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And then the season came.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
And Justin Field started good and Russell Wilson was cooking,
and all I'm getting is just an avalanche a torrent.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Of You're an idiot?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Why oh you are poop emoji? You don't know anything.
You don't know ball all that stuff. Okay, fine, So
here we are in April of twenty twenty five, and
if you follow TJ Watt on the Gram, he posted
a cryptic ig story and here it is on the screen,
TJ Watt throwing up the deuces peace. What does it mean?
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Does it mean I'm out? Does it mean hey, what's
up people, I haven't checked in in a while. I'm alive.
What could it mean? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It could mean a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Could also mean that he's pissed off that he doesn't
have a new contract and Miles Garrett just got paid.
And I looked into this last night, folks.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
TJ.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Watt is grossly underpaid as an edge rusher. Okay, some
of these guys making as much as him, or more
than him. He's like fifth or sixth highest paid heading
into this season. And just so happens, this is his
final year in Pittsburgh, so he's angling for a new contract.
This would not be new ground. We've seen wide receivers,
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running backs, quarterbacks, everybody. Kyler Murray scrubs his Instagram. By
the way, we're doing a Kyler Murray topic later. You're
gonna love it. Kyler Murray scrubs his Instagram basically just
associating himself with a team. He gets his new deal,
Michael Parson's angling for a new deal, Miles Garrett asked
for a trade, got his new deal. Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati.
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Oh that's a mess. So TJ.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Watt wants a new deal.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
So you know, we're batting around some ideas on the Steelers,
and wouldn't you know it, their last playoff win came
in twenty seventeen January of twenty seventeen. They beat the
Dolphins and their quarterback was a gentleman named Matt Moore.
I just hired him to do my taxes for this
upcoming season. Okay, Matt Moore, that was who the Steelers
last beat in a playoff game. They haven't been a
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legitimate super Bowl contender in about fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I love TJ.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
He's a menace off the edge. They should have traded
him a year ago.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You guys know, one of my favorite quotes about rebuilding, Hey,
when's the best time to rebuild? Last year? It's like
when's the best time to plant a tree? Last year?
They're late to the party now and Pittsburgh kind of
up the creek without a paddle. Guys, have you looked
at what what is gonna command? He's gonna want thirty million.
(19:01):
So the idea of trading him, Hey do you want TJ. Watt?
Sure we're not giving up a first and then pay
him thirty million dollars a year. No way.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So now the value is down.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Listen, I beat up the Cowboys with this yesterday. At
some point these teams have to get smarter and realize, oh,
this is coming down the road. Let me nip it
in the butt. I've gotta not wait until the end
because when you wait, you end up paying more. And
I just I don't know that Pittsburgh has it easy
out here. You don't want to anger TJ. Watt, who
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I think clearly is the most popular player on the team.
I don't think his trade values sky high. And you
guys are gonna scoff at that, but I'm sorry, that's
the reality the economics are. I'm not giving up the
number three pick or the number eight pick or whatever
it is, and then I've got to pay this guy
thirty million dollars a year. That's financial suicide. So I
think the Steelers are kind of stuck here. They're waiting
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for Aaron Rodgers. They're trying to get TJ. Watt done.
Mike Tomlin, hey, maybe you should have left last year
instead of come back to this mess. The Steelers right
now could be could be right down there with the
Browns in one of the toughest divisions in the AFC.
Let's go to Alex Curry with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Well, let's start in New York with your Jets.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Right, Yes, yes we do, because they signed Justin Fields
to be the new starting quarterback and it created a
union reunion with this former Ohio state wide receiver, Gerett Wilson.
Fields and Wilson at work twenty and two with the Buckeyes,
and Justin says, it's good to be back together.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
It's awesome.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Of course, you know we played together in college, and
you know, when I saw him, it's really just like
the old days. So I don't think our relationships gept
the beat. So of course I'm definitely excited to play
with him. Guys like RUHK and you know, Josh Myers,
so I'm excited for that, and of course things that
can that we can do to help you get each
other better, just you know, get get back on the
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same page as we were in college.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Now, this is a make or break situation for Justin Fields,
right because it wasn't the right fit for him in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
He kind of got a little.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Bit of a window chance in Pittsburgh where he went
four and two when he was starting, but then got
benched obviously for Russell Wilson. And we've seen this happen
before with other first round pick quarterbacks. Sometimes they just
need the right fit of a different franchise and coach
and they can kind of turn their career around. We
saw it with Baker Mayfield, we saw it with Sam Darnold.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Do you think.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Justin Fields is your guy that's going to be able
to do that with the Jets?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Can I go maybe? Is that a cop out?
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I mean, I feel your heart's been broken the last
two years wore and well, I'm just saying with Rogers
it was really really high and it just got absolutely
smashed expectations. So now you're tempering your expectations.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
What do you think six and a half? Is there
wind total? No, it might be five and a half.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Actually, I when you have that kind of chemistry though
with a quarterback wide receiver, like that's already a positive
kind of going into a new situation.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Okay, there is breaking Jets news.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Alex is going down right now, Alan Lazard, you wanting.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
To take a pay cut, just stay.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
With the Jets. Oh my gosh, huge development something, it's something.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
So I'm just gonna ask you.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Okay, quarterback on his third team in three years, what
does that tell you?
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Well, like I said, like, we've seen this with a
couple other guys.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Wasn't Baker like that too?
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Because it was.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
Rams.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
There might have been another team in there for Carolina. Yeah,
he was there.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Yeah, and he just you just need the right He wasn't.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Number one overall picks. Heels was like fifteen.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
It doesn't matter. Still a first rounder. Sam Darnold another situation.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
We really didn't see him actually take off until last
year with the biking. You're right, there is there is
a possibility here if it's the right coaching, franchise, match
team chemistry.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
He is from Detroit. He was a Ben Johnson guy. Now,
so I don't know that he's ever called plays in
his life. I won't even try to. Voldemort is his
last name. I'm kidding, that's not his last name. It's
something similar to that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But I was like Jerry Potter, I wonder it's kind
of a black Fox.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I don't know what to expect from Fields. He could
be really good, like you're saying, yes, Donald, or he
could just you know, beat Justin Field, who has a big.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Positive you leaning on the positive side.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
You're a winning positive?
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Are you going with the winning season? Let's start there.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Nine wins?
Speaker 5 (23:38):
You think you're having a winning was shocked if they
won nine? Okay, well, let's move to Indy. The Colts
signed Daniel Jones to compete with Anthony Richardson for the
starting quarterback job. Now, despite that, Indy had a private
visit with Texas quarterback Quen Yours. Now, we still haven't
seen a full healthy season from Anthony Richardson. Daniel Jones
(23:59):
is another one where he's looking to kind of prove
he can still.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Be a starter.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
But the Colts have a lot of question marks, a
lot of question marks.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Now they have draft picks.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Their first round is fourteenth overall, second round is thirteenth.
In the second round, just forty fifth overall and yours isn't.
It's not a bad option to like, I don't think
you can be too rich at the most important position
in the NFL, especially if you don't know for sure
if you have your guy yet and you know, Quinn's
(24:32):
been to the culture will playoff in back to back years.
He's had the success. He's probably a second round pick.
That would be a good second round pick. You're high
on him, I like, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
This was a five star kid who was like I
think it might have been the number one recruit in
the country, leaves early for Ohio State. He was the
first like big nil guy and then leaves Ohio State
goes to Texas. Is a little cocky. Remember he had
like the mullet. By the way, I will have a bullet.
Love mullet. I'm going to be getting a mullet soon
because my son is in middle school and like, everybody
has a mullet. So he got, well, they're cool, and
(25:04):
so I'm like, I'll match your mullet.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
So I'll be getting to five month. I haven't talked
to Harry yet.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Ruth, she's she's not committed to it, but we'll see,
so I don't know. I kind of like the cultures
here and I kind of like when you wers. I'll
leave it at that.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Okay, all right, well let's end in Cleveland here.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Brown's owner Jimmy Haslam made some shocking statements earlier this
summer when he finally took ownership of a team's decision
to sign to Sean Watson and admitting the two hundred
and thirty million guaranteed contract was a mistake and Watson
has two years left on that deal, and responded to
the critics, you know.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
The performance comes when you know your back gets the walls.
It comes better because you kind of got to really
lock in. You know, you don't have anything pretty much
to lose. And I feel like that's why I'm at
right now. You know, everyone's down me. You know, everyone
don't believe in me. Everyone don't think that I can
get back to.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Where I was and where where were you?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Like in your three years too playing with the Browns
nine and ten, nineteen passing touchdowns, seventeen giveaways, an eighty
point seven passer rating. I just ownership finally accepted that
they made a mistake. I think you kind of need
to accept the fact that you're probably done. You made
your mark on the NFL. It wasn't a good one.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
You were in the headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
He's twenty nine years old, he's had multiple lower body injuries, Like,
that's not something you just bounced back from, especially with
the reputation that he has, so no one wants to
take that on.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Let me ask you, how awkward is it that a
week ago the owner of the team said we swung
and miss movie it was duck, And now he's coming
out on a video saying I'm going to be back
way better than Oh, you're not. No, you're not. I
just can't imagine if Fox publicly came out and said, hey,
swinging a miss with McIntyre and then your mound air,
I'm going to dominate more than everything.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It just would feel weird.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
It is.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
I know, it's.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Like, I don't like Shina light on someone who's had
as discussing his allegations as he has off the field.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
It's just hard. It's like, you're not, you haven't. It's
not no, just I'm done.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
I'm done with them, all.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Right, We're done with this.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Alex Scurry with.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
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Speaker 4 (27:20):
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Speaker 4 (28:32):
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I've never seen a night.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
It's always good to start the show with Shane.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I gotta do some shade of mj not you, of course,
I've never seen a night like that before. Luca crying
that drops forty five. They want to fire the GM.
I mean part of me wants to ask, do you
have Nico's number? We call him up, I do him
on the spot.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
He's such a coward.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
He doesn't want to meet the media once and now
he's like just standing down.
Speaker 13 (29:07):
I'm not going to pile on Nico one because ownership
didn't want to pay the three hundred and forty five million,
and he had to be the guy that did the
dirty work. And you know, I'm not saying that he
didn't on some level agree with the move, but.
Speaker 10 (29:23):
And it remains to be seen.
Speaker 13 (29:25):
You know, as dramatic as last night was, as impactful
as it was, I will say this, it was. It
will go down in history as one of the most
heart tugging moments in sports history because the trembling lip
and the I mean that was it. The close up
and the trembling lip and the tears made you realize
(29:47):
how much.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
Luca loved being a Dallas Maverick.
Speaker 13 (29:51):
And to have a great player like that who's that
tied to a franchise, That's that's what people will not forget.
Speaker 10 (30:00):
And that's what made it so powerful.
Speaker 13 (30:01):
I don't even know that he had to have a
great game, but the fact that he then had forty
five and did all the Luca magic things that he does, that's.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
That's what just that buried it for him.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
By the way, how was Anthony Davis last night for
the MAVs? Huh? How's that trade working out for Dallas?
Speaker 10 (30:20):
Why do you say that with such a bleed?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I like a d but you know him and play
Thompson had to be like, what do we do to
deserve this?
Speaker 8 (30:27):
No?
Speaker 13 (30:28):
Yeah, well you need Kyrie Irving to play the role.
I mean, essentially it's the Warriors without Steph Curry. And
then you'd be looking at, you know, Jimmy Butler going
what did I do to deserve this? This isn't what
I signed up for. So I think that's that's part
of it. And look, the change between Luca and Anthony Davis.
(30:49):
The thing that always bothered me and still bothers me
is that we're rewriting this now with him and the
Lakers that he you know, he just never became the
player that Lebron needed him to be for Lebron to
go win another championship.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
That's out there that's being said like saying that.
Speaker 13 (31:05):
That's the suggestion is is that he was holding Lebron
back offensively and now you see what Lebron is still
capable of doing. Right. Well, of course, because Luca is
a playmaker. Anthony Davis, you know this this whole we're
going to play through a d and all that, and
he's Lebron's gonna take a step back and Ady's gonna
(31:26):
take a step forward offensively. That was never gonna work.
You were asking ad b Ad to be something that
he's never been. He is a defensive backbone and he's
a great stretch for he can do a great offensive rebounder.
But don't ask him to like orchestrate your offense because
he's never done that.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It's weird. I don't know who said it. It might
have been Broussard, but like this, people were saying that
Kyrie was the best wingman ever for Lebron, or most
skilled player maybe, And I'm just like, Lebron's never been
with a playmaker like this.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Kyrie and Wade were scores. Yeah, you know, Luca's basically
just carried the first half.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Luca do everything, and what happens late Lebron fourteen points
in the forts because he looks fresh as a daisy
and he can attack the rim and get every rebound.
Speaker 13 (32:09):
Yeah, and he's not I mean he's playing off the ball,
and he's playing off of all the attention that Luca
is creating. He gets to be the number two now
and take advantage of that. And you got Lebron James
even at forty as your number two, you're in pretty
good shape. I mean, he's like he's been around forever.
He's he's really smart. I will say this, he deserves
(32:30):
tremendous credit. I never I didn't know if Lebron could
play off the.
Speaker 10 (32:35):
Ball as well as he has.
Speaker 13 (32:37):
But his ability to move off the ball, ability to
catch and shoot, it's been very impressive.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, you know, Luka, Doncic has almost become a polarizing
figure the way he yells at reps.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
He was ejected from the OKC game and I kind of.
Speaker 10 (32:53):
But did you see him last night?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
They were sent it to Tech last night. By the way,
did you see that right before the game? I know
that second technical see see.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Him during the game last night.
Speaker 13 (33:03):
He did not say a peeph like when he did
approach the referees, it was he was almost like whispering.
It was, yeah, that like this is this is the thing. Look,
there's a lot of a lot of the reasons that
the Dallas Mavericks decided we didn't want to We don't
want to invest in him in the in the for
the long term. We're legitimate chronic injuries, never in shape,
(33:28):
like gains weight in the off season, like all of
those things.
Speaker 10 (33:32):
And I and I understand that you go to the.
Speaker 13 (33:35):
Finals against Boston and you're harping on the referees and
you're not being able to defend at a high level,
and you're conditioning, whether that was because of.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
Injury or whatever. All of those cost you a championship.
Speaker 13 (33:50):
And you come back and you're not demonstrably a different player.
Speaker 10 (33:54):
You're doing all the same things.
Speaker 13 (33:56):
You're not in shape, you get injured again, you're still
harping on the referees. So if you lose a championship
because of those things and you don't change, it's like, well,
is he ever going to change? But here's the thing,
now that he's had this, Oh I'm expendable.
Speaker 10 (34:12):
Or I don't rule the roost, like all of.
Speaker 13 (34:16):
This may inspire him to change, but I don't know
if it ever would have happened if he had stayed
in the Dallas Maverick.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
That's fair. I totally get that. But Rick nothing, all
those negatives, all that negative stuff you just said, and
he still took them to the finals last year. So
it's like, oh, he's overweight, Okay, he still got them.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
To the finals.
Speaker 13 (34:38):
But they're not paying him for what he did. They're
paying him the three hundred and forty five million for
what he's going to do over the next five years.
And that's why, as peths look the visuals last night,
I'm almost ready to say, no, matter what happens, it's
a bad trade because of what we saw last night.
But that said, the true measure of whether of just
(35:02):
you know, how bad this trade was, is going to
be determined over the next five years, not last night.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Well, it's always a great selling point. Hey give us
five years. Hey, you know these tariffs that we're going
to implement, it's a long term play. Just be patient.
Trust the process has been going for what a decade? Now,
this stuff, you can't sell that to NBA fans. Hey,
No you can't, No, you can't.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I want answers now.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I want to get back to the championship.
Speaker 10 (35:28):
Now, I get that. I get well.
Speaker 13 (35:30):
And they were hoping that Kyrie, a healthy Kyrie and
a d and all the other pieces that they play
in there, they'd be able to they'd be able to
get that done. Look I'm not I'm not defending it.
I'm just explaining the logogic behind it. And you can't
forecast injuries. And I know what you're gonna say, Well,
with Kyrie and ad you can yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
So okay, so sell me. If you're with the Mavericks
front office, you know, your boys with Nico and then
this governor clown, go ahead, sell me. I'm a fan, Hey, patience,
give me, give us a few years. Go ahead, let
me let me hear it. That's just I just don't
think anything is going to play. Kath No, you can't.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
You're right, You're right, you're right. But again it's it's
I'm not trying to say.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
The deed is done.
Speaker 10 (36:13):
They can't sell you on anything.
Speaker 13 (36:15):
At this point, I would just I'd point to a
Joel Embiid, I'd point to a Zion Williamson. I would say, look,
there are teams that had players not as good as Luca,
But what does it matter if the guy's injured and
not available and they load up on him, and then now.
Speaker 10 (36:35):
Where are you stuck? You're stuck in purgatory.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Okay, so that's why that's giant Embiid. You're right out
of shape, constantly never took a team to the finals.
Luca's games played seventy sixty six, sixty five sixty six.
That's not like Chop Liver that would still qualify him
for all NBA. He's not missing a full season. I mean,
Zion is a mess. I'm sure you saw the latest story.
Speaker 13 (36:55):
Look, I'm not making a straight line comparison again to
what they've done as opposed to what you're looking at
going in the future. Lucas twenty five, twenty six years old.
So there's two ways to look at that.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
One.
Speaker 13 (37:08):
He's twenty five and twenty six years old, and he's
had the same calf injury three times within a.
Speaker 10 (37:13):
Year, not great and missed and missed games.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Right.
Speaker 13 (37:16):
The flip side is he's twenty five, twenty six years old.
You know what he's going to mature, He's going to like,
he's going to get his act together, and you don't
want to miss out when he gets his act.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
When did you get your act together? Because I know
I didn't until I was like mid thirty. It took
me a little while.
Speaker 13 (37:30):
Right, I'm right there with the late twenties, early thirties. Okay,
you with the shelf light, we've you know, we've got
a little more runway than an NBA player.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
All right, So you were on Monday, but we did
not cover it. Mike Malone fired in Dewn. This NBA
sees has been crazy between it has a trade, firing
the Memphis coach and now firing the Nuggets coach. It
sounds like the GM and the coach hated each other.
I'm reading Cold War.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
Oh yeah, there's no question.
Speaker 13 (37:58):
The problem that Michael Malone had was as a GM
texted me the morning it happened, I said, like, what's
going on?
Speaker 10 (38:07):
Taylor Jenkins and now Mike Malone.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
He goes, when you don't get along with people and
you're losing, you put yourself in harm's way. And Mike Malone,
in spite of being there for ten years, never really cultivated.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
Any He didn't and nobody had his back.
Speaker 13 (38:25):
He didn't cultivate relationships. So he and Calvin Booth completely
at odds.
Speaker 10 (38:30):
From almost the start.
Speaker 13 (38:32):
And that worked against Mike because the guys that were
that were Mike advocates in the locker room. Bruce Brown,
I'm told, was a Mike Malone guy, KCP was a
Mike Malone guy. Like all those guys got moved along.
And what happens is your ratio changes. You may have
(38:52):
some guys in there that aren't feeling him, but as
long as you have enough of them that are that
are backing the coach, then you can kind of work
through that. But when it becomes the ratio becomes so unbalanced.
Now it's now now you got a quorum in there
that are that are chirping about the coach's and then
you start losing.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Yeah, that's a probably some big words here, korum educating
the audience. So Nuggets last night, first game without Malone.
Oh that's right, I forgot. You're a big time writer.
Russell Westbrook fewest minutes he's played in months, and Jalen
Pickett started and played pretty damn good. Like seven people
listening to the show know who Jalen Picket is. It
(39:32):
seems like the old versus young guys was a bit
of an issue there. Malone doesn't trust the young guys
like the veterans, which I get, you.
Speaker 13 (39:39):
Know, yeah, no, no, no, no, I mean, look, Mike's an
old school coach. Yeah, and you have a team that's
in transition and it works with a guy like Jokic.
You know, for those people out there that are like, well,
they they wouldn't have fired they wouldn't have fired Mike
without you know, Jokic's approval and as Joki said, they
came in and told them what they.
Speaker 10 (39:58):
Were going to do.
Speaker 13 (39:59):
They didn't ask right because Jokis grew up in Serbia.
Like over there, the coach is king, but it's not
player empowerment. Over there, you like the organization, the coach,
they run the show and you are fortunate that you're
a player.
Speaker 10 (40:16):
And so that's his mindset here.
Speaker 13 (40:18):
He wasn't about to walk into Josh Cronky's office and say, hey,
it's either me or him. That's just not in the
DNA of any European players.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
So we got about a minute left. Warriors lose it
the buzzer last night. Yeah, last week, not just lost,
lost to of former Warriors.
Speaker 10 (40:35):
That they moved out in order to bring kd in.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
So beat Memphis last week, Curry goes off beat the Lakers,
beat the Nuggets, and everybody's champion in Golden State as
the team.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
All of a sudden, now they lose to the Rockets
and the Spurs.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Do we know if this team is dangerous?
Speaker 13 (40:51):
Rick, Well, they just they have to have all hands
on deck, and thirty seven year old Steph Curry being
as essential as he is, is.
Speaker 10 (41:01):
A little troubling. They don't have a margin for error.
Speaker 13 (41:03):
But I would also say this for everybody out there
that is taking all these games, whether it's the Lakers
in OKC, or it's the Warriors losing to the Spurs
or whatever, let's not lose sight of what they've done
over the course of the year.
Speaker 10 (41:20):
For the last few games of the regular season.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
That's a great point, Rick Buker, Fox Sports NBA analysts
always fun stuff, always got good info.
Speaker 10 (41:28):
Uh, we make a good quorum here, Core.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I feel like I'm smarter just Rick Buker sits on
the sofa.
Speaker 13 (41:34):
Generally, Jay, you are when I come one.
Speaker 10 (41:39):
Yep, coming up next?
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Which NBA players are under the most pressure this postseason?
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For today's show. Oh my gosh, last night would have
to you have a date last night talking about Lucas Luca.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I felt like that was his official arrival due to
the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Like best game you saw the tears.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Which was I started crying. I was like, oh no,
you did it happening. I cry when I see other
people crying. I cry at everything, Like I'm a very
emotional here.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I actually vomit when I see other people vomiting, which
is similar. Yet it's not.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Let's not start to start.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Let's not start the show with vomiting. Let's start with
the tears.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Because the tears were flowing, and then the points were
last night in Dallas for Luka donc It's mom man.
You know this is real. Honestly, guys, I'm not like
a starstruck individual. But I did run into Steph Curry
a couple years ago. I was like, Steff, I gotta
get a photo. You know, there's only a handful of
athletes I do that for, and Luka Doncic is right
there at the top. I am so in awe of
this guy to watch him crying pregame back in Dallas
(01:49):
last night, sitting on the bench, and then he comes
in and just starts dropping threse.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Folks.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
It was a phenomenal event last night in Dallas. You
don't see this often, and I'm so happy for Luka Doncic.
You guys know I'm a Laker fan obviously, but watching him,
watch that tribute video and ps, there was a lot
of skinny Luca in that tribute video.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
He has put on some weight, no.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Doubt about it. We'll get to Nico Harrison and why
he traded him shortly, but then Luca.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Just comes out. Look at him cooking, step back.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Three ad how you like that? It was a masterclass
from Luca. Forty five points his I guess you'd say
his best game is a Laker. It's only game twenty seven, folks,
that's like one third of a regular season with the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Luca was cooking all night.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Lakers get the win, and I believe last night's game
was pretty much a blueprint for what we'll see in
the playoffs. Luca early set the tone. He's fresh. Nobody
can guard him. I'm sorry, even though he's heavier than
he used to be, nobody can guard Luka Doncic.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And then Luca gets his rest.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Lebron comes in late as the closer fourteen for Lebron
in the fourth Lakers inch closer to that coveted third seed.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And if you look at what Luca did.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
In the first half, he had thirty one points, the
maps star at thirty five.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Luca was phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And after the game, here's Luca talking about the tribute
video and his return to Dallas, so many emotions.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
When I was watching that video, I was like, there's
no way I'm playing this vie.
Speaker 8 (03:14):
But you know, all my teammates time my back.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
They were really supporting me.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So I really appreciate.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That, folks.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
It was an event like we haven't seen before in sports. Okay,
most of these guys who leave their franchises do it willingly, voluntarily.
I want out. Lebron departs Cleveland from Miami. I'm taking
my talents.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
To South Beach.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But when he went back to Cleveland, the vibe was hostile.
The environment was tense. It was like, oh, this could
get ugly. That's not anybody do anything stupid, and it
was just like not a great atmosphere. Okay. And then
Kevin Durant right starts his career in Seattle and then
Oklahoma City, and then he decides I'm out. I don't
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want to be here anymore. And it was a smart
move by Lebron to go to Miami. We agree it
was a smart move by Kevin Durant to leave OKC
for Golden State.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Many of you disagree. I think that was a genius move.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
By Kevin Durant. I totally agree with it. I've defended
it for years, but when KD went back to Oklahoma City,
he was met with venom, bile anger, all the cupcake
nonsense started by his frenemie Russell Westbrook. Folks, this is
something we haven't seen before. Luca was met with an
applause the second he walked into the arena. You saw
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Lakers Luca jerseys on MAVs fans. It was a crazy setting.
And again, I mean, I can't even think of anything
across any sport where we've seen this before. And for
Luca to thrive in that environment. After crying, I will
say I loved that JJ Reddick had them give the
take foul late in the game with about ninety seconds left,
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just so they could sub out Luca. And then it
was a round of applause right whole arena standing ovation
for Luca. He gets to the bench and Lebron is leading.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
The Luca Luca like Austin Reeves. Lebron the whole bench.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
They're fired up, standing up, and the arena's backing Luca.
This is Dallas. It was just a chrus See. We
haven't seen that before. I don't know that we'll see
one of those again. And We'll get to why shortly,
but I want to hear I want you to hear
JJ Reddick talk about everything that encompassed Luca going home.
This is great.
Speaker 9 (05:21):
The moment with a tribute video and him sitting by
himself and getting to actually live that and live in
the moment and allowing himself to be vulnerable, and his
teammates support.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Some of his.
Speaker 9 (05:41):
Teammates got emotional, some of the coaches got emotional.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It was a beautiful moment.
Speaker 9 (05:48):
I thought the video was great, but I think just
his ability to then go perform lights turn on. You know,
he's teary eyed still as we walk out on the
court for the tipball. To have the emotional resolve to
then go put on that kind of performance, It's superhuman.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
That's a great way. JJ Reddick is so good, by
the way, as the Lakers coach love him, and I
saw interesting sat from ESPN. Last night was the first
time Dirk Novitski attended a Dallas home game since the trade.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Okay, he went to Luca's first game with the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Okay, he's now this is his first game at a
Dallas at the arena since they dealt Luca. What does
that tell you. And this is the other angle I
want to get to. I talked earlier this week about
I'm a risk taker by nature, whether it's moving my
family across my country, quitting my job to start a website.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You know, obviously I like gambling. I enjoy going to Vegas.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I don't know what word I would use to describe
my sports gambling habits.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I like prolific. But you know, not every season is winning.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I'm a risk taker, and I think a lot of
people in this industry are kind. I gotta you put
yourself out there. I'm on National TV talking about how
I love Steph Curry and Luka Donci's like, this isn't
normal behavior, Nor is what Nico Harrison did in Dallas
trading Luka dodgis.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Now.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
We drilled down on this in the morning meeting, trying
to figure out, like a can they rebound from this
and be like where do you go from here?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
If you're Nico Harrison and I started thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I was gonna have my morning donut, but it didn't
show up in the dressing room this morning. I don't know.
I guess they forgot it. You know, I've been needing
some sugar energy to get fired up for the show.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Cowherd's on magnesium.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I've been using donuts and I just wonder if Nico
Harrison has such a bad spot right now for himself.
There were fire Nico champs throughout the arena last night.
It's like, Luca, Luca, we love you, Nico Harrison, Fire Nico.
And then they have the video of him in the
tunnel just standing their stoneface, like, oh my gosh, what
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am I going to do to dig out of this hole?
I don't know that they can get out of it
and stop with the Hey, Kyrie is gonna come back
from the ACL maybe by the All Star break next year.
It's gonna be fine, folks. They've got Kyrie and ad
As there as. They're like they're nucleus. Those are two
guys who are often injured. They've played together for twenty
five minutes. That's it on the court since the trade,
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and I started to have this moment of clarity and
I'm like, wait a minute, Wait a minute. Nico Harrison
has been a big swing guy. He took a big
swing for Kyrie and it worked when he was opposite
Luka Doncic. Then the next year he goes out and
gets PJ. Washington and uh and Daniel Gaffert and everybody's like,
I don't know about those guys. They haven't done anything.
Those swings worked, Dallas got to the finals. Then he
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took a swing he didn't need to, shipping Luca to
the Lakers. Lakers fans, by the way, haven't been this
excited about a star coming to town.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Since Pauga Sol was gifted to them.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Didn't we get the Statue of Liberty from like Paris
or something? Gosh, I probably butchered that, but it felt
like that's what they're teams are just handing the Lakers stars.
Here's Pawgasol, Here's Luca don And I don't know if
Nico has any way out of this. If this morning,
I'm sure he's looking at some of the videos. I'm
sure he can say I'm not paying attention. There's a
video of Mark Cuban when the fire Nico chants are happening.
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Fans near Mark Cuban have a camera on him, and
Mark Cuban's just like, what has happened since I left
this organization as the owner? I mean, he looked like
an Emperor of Rome, who would like step down, and
now Rome's got this new emperor and it's just not
going good at all. I mean, they were in the
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finals less than a year ago. And I keep coming
back to this when you are a big swing guy
by nature, and now your last swing is starting to
be compared to the Babe Ruth trade, which is, you know,
over the last one hundred years in change in sports,
considered the worst trade ever. Okay, I think the Red
Sox were cursed for like one hundred years. You have
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to sort of wonder, how does he get out of this?
And it's not gonna just be Oh, Kyrie's coming back.
And I started to look at the salary cap and
the draft picks. Dallas does have three draft picks in
the first round this year. They're obviously not gonna be
great picks. But you start to wonder who was Kyrie's
guy who followed him to Brooklyn, Kevin Durant. And I
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wonder if mister big swing Nico Harrison, hey man, we
gotta do something. Do you make a move in this
offseason for Kevin Durant? Now you could be compounding your mistake.
You know, us investors, we love compound interest. Nico Harrison
is the gambler who's down big and decides, hey, hey,
can I get the car the title to my car?
(10:39):
Let me toss that in there. Here's my watch. And
he's just trying desperately to dig out of a hole.
I wonder if he makes a big swing year and
goes after say Kevin Durant, Hey, kd you just want
to hoop? We got Kyrie, we got ad Can you
come on down. We'll give up everything not bolted down
and all the draft picks give us Kevin Durant. They
need to do something thing because at this point this
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has to be a franchise low for the MAVs since
you know the Roy Tarpley days back in the eighties,
that was a mess. I won't even get into it,
but I've always been a Luka Dancich fan. And to
see him cry on the bench because they traded him,
it's very clear people he did not want to go.
I'm not saying he didn't want to go to Lakers,
but he loved it in Dallas. He was mister Dallas.
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There's videos of him with the cowboy hat on Howdy Partner,
like he had embraced his new city. They loved him,
and then one guy or the owners. Some debate as
to who was driving force, but it was pretty clear like, hey,
let's get rid of Luca. And I get it on
some level he does look heavier than he did in
his first three years when he was cooking everybody in
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the league. But folks, historically, this is going to go
down as one of the biggest screw ups in NBA history.
I mean, you could deny it all you want. If
Luca is able to stay healthy, he's on track to
be a top ten player all time. That's just a fact.
If you look at the numbers, he is on track
to be a top ten player all time. Now, obviously,
will the titles come with him, We'll see. I think
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they're going to the finals this year. I think the
Lakers with Luca, Lebron, Austin Reeves, they're looking at the
number three seed.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And I'm sure you guys saw what else happened around
the league last night.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Golden State Warriors lose at the buzzer and now in
the play in It's almost like the stars are aligning
for Luca and the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So Alex, you cried last night as a lake.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
I'm an emotional person. And you.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
When you followed that whole trade situation and you saw
how heartbroken Luca was and shocked Luca was with the
trade situation, you could tell how much it meant to him.
And when you see like a big guy, an athlete
who is all the media around him allow himself to
get that emotional, how do you not get emotional? And
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it's just it again, like you were just talking about it.
It's not an Eco, it's the ownership. I have like
a way more conspiracy theory like idea to this whole
trade situation, Like it's not like you don't just it's
not his weight, it's it's not like his play. He's
one of the greatest like futures and players right now
in the NBA. Like I think it's ownership and they
own casinos and they want to build a casino complex
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and you're not going to be able to do that.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Dallas isn't letting them do it right now. It's not
working out.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
So you can't like threaten to move the team or
try to get what you want if you have a
championship team and one of the best players in the
NBA on your team, Like I follow the money like that.
That's where my eye is here, Like it's they're not
trying to win, like it is, trying to do the
opposite situation.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
But just to go off the Lucas situation, there was
a really cool.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Stat I saw last night, and he's only the second
player with a forty five point game four and against
the same team in the NBA season. So it's Wilt
Wilt chamber on the other only other players to do that.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
The staff just notifi. I mean, we have sound of
the fire Nico chance, and I get fired up the chance.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Guys, I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Mind leading a chance on the sideline for my daughter's
volleyball team.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Here's a fi fire Nico chance.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
From last night.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Dude, that is insane.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
You know how awkward that is when everyone around you knows,
Oh man, I'm standing next to the dude. Twenty five
thousand people are yelling fired the blank.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
He was the one who had to make the call
and make the move. But there's some debate over that
comes from ownership. And you heard Mark Cuban like when
he was asked about it years ago, He's like, you'll
find me getting a divorce from my wife before I trade.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I don't like it's I mean, I get it. That's
why I'm amazing ownership this morning. You think the owner
was behind it. Yah knows that the owner's smart enough.
He's just some funny guy. Nico which loves Kyrie love
Zad has known them for years.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I don't I don't want to saying the money guy.
They own casinos. They are one of the richest owners.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
They're going to be down to nine figures ALEX based
on according to an ESPN story, their merches down. The
ticket sales are down.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
And you want a casino complex the s finest thing
that they want.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
The sponsors are big matter the bad.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
That's like chun change chump change form.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Gosh, this is bad.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
They want to move locations.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yeah, they're coming out next year. On The Herd, did
one NFL superstar give us a sign yesterday he could
be on the move.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Not good news for an AFC team that's next.
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U t J. Watskond of a bull right, Gosh, I
love that guy. He's a He's an animal coming off
the edge, one of the best edge rushers in the league.
If Max Crosby the Raiders is watching, sorry, I think
TJ watch just a little better.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I need to keep saying that because.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
We got Raiders guys on staff who are like J
mac Layoff. When you tell me to do something, I'm
gonna do the opposite. Anyways, Anyways, TJ. Watt's a really
good football player. Man. I'm the idiot who last summer
hosting the Herd for Colin came on and said, you
want some hot takes for the summer. I would trade
TJ Watt. I would start over, we don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
We're going nowhere.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Trade them get a hole before you got to pay him,
before he gets too old, before he gets injured. Again.
Steelers fans did not like it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And then the season came.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
And Justin Field started good and Russell Wilson was cooking,
and all I'm getting is just an avalanche a torrent.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Of You're an idiot?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Why oh you are poop emoji? You don't know anything.
You don't know ball all that stuff. Okay, fine, So
here we are in April of twenty twenty five, and
if you follow TJ Watt on the Gram, he posted
a cryptic ig story and here it is on the screen,
TJ Watt throwing up the deuces peace. What does it mean?
(16:59):
Does it mean I'm out? Does it mean hey, what's
up people, I haven't checked in in a while. I'm alive.
What could it mean? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It could mean a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Could also mean that he's pissed off that he doesn't
have a new contract and Miles Garrett just got paid.
And I looked into this last night, folks.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
TJ.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Watt is grossly underpaid as an edge rusher. Okay, some
of these guys making as much as him, or more
than him. He's like fifth or sixth highest paid heading
into this season. And just so happens, this is his
final year in Pittsburgh, so he's angling for a new contract.
This would not be new ground. We've seen wide receivers,
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running backs, quarterbacks, everybody. Kyler Murray scrubs his Instagram. By
the way, we're doing a Kyler Murray topic later. You're
gonna love it. Kyler Murray scrubs his Instagram basically just
associating himself with a team. He gets his new deal,
Michael Parson's angling for a new deal, Miles Garrett asked
for a trade, got his new deal. Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati.
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Oh that's a mess. So TJ.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Watt wants a new deal.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
So you know, we're batting around some ideas on the Steelers,
and wouldn't you know it, their last playoff win came
in twenty seventeen January of twenty seventeen. They beat the
Dolphins and their quarterback was a gentleman named Matt Moore.
I just hired him to do my taxes for this
upcoming season. Okay, Matt Moore, that was who the Steelers
last beat in a playoff game. They haven't been a
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legitimate super Bowl contender in about fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I love TJ.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
He's a menace off the edge. They should have traded
him a year ago.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You guys know, one of my favorite quotes about rebuilding, Hey,
when's the best time to rebuild? Last year? It's like
when's the best time to plant a tree? Last year?
They're late to the party now and Pittsburgh kind of
up the creek without a paddle. Guys, have you looked
at what what is gonna command? He's gonna want thirty million.
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So the idea of trading him, Hey do you want TJ. Watt?
Sure we're not giving up a first and then pay
him thirty million dollars a year. No way.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So now the value is down.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Listen, I beat up the Cowboys with this yesterday. At
some point these teams have to get smarter and realize, oh,
this is coming down the road. Let me nip it
in the butt. I've gotta not wait until the end
because when you wait, you end up paying more. And
I just I don't know that Pittsburgh has it easy
out here. You don't want to anger TJ. Watt, who
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I think clearly is the most popular player on the team.
I don't think his trade values sky high. And you
guys are gonna scoff at that, but I'm sorry, that's
the reality the economics are. I'm not giving up the
number three pick or the number eight pick or whatever
it is, and then I've got to pay this guy
thirty million dollars a year. That's financial suicide. So I
think the Steelers are kind of stuck here. They're waiting
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for Aaron Rodgers. They're trying to get TJ. Watt done.
Mike Tomlin, hey, maybe you should have left last year
instead of come back to this mess. The Steelers right
now could be could be right down there with the
Browns in one of the toughest divisions in the AFC.
Let's go to Alex Curry with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Well, let's start in New York with your Jets.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Right, Yes, yes we do, because they signed Justin Fields
to be the new starting quarterback and it created a
union reunion with this former Ohio state wide receiver, Gerett Wilson.
Fields and Wilson at work twenty and two with the Buckeyes,
and Justin says, it's good to be back together.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
It's awesome.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Of course, you know we played together in college, and
you know, when I saw him, it's really just like
the old days. So I don't think our relationships gept
the beat. So of course I'm definitely excited to play
with him. Guys like RUHK and you know, Josh Myers,
so I'm excited for that, and of course things that
can that we can do to help you get each
other better, just you know, get get back on the
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same page as we were in college.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Now, this is a make or break situation for Justin Fields,
right because it wasn't the right fit for him in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
He kind of got a little.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Bit of a window chance in Pittsburgh where he went
four and two when he was starting, but then got
benched obviously for Russell Wilson. And we've seen this happen
before with other first round pick quarterbacks. Sometimes they just
need the right fit of a different franchise and coach
and they can kind of turn their career around. We
saw it with Baker Mayfield, we saw it with Sam Darnold.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Do you think.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Justin Fields is your guy that's going to be able
to do that with the Jets?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Can I go maybe? Is that a cop out?
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I mean, I feel your heart's been broken the last
two years wore and well, I'm just saying with Rogers
it was really really high and it just got absolutely
smashed expectations. So now you're tempering your expectations.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
What do you think six and a half? Is there
wind total? No, it might be five and a half.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Actually, I when you have that kind of chemistry though
with a quarterback wide receiver, like that's already a positive
kind of going into a new situation.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Okay, there is breaking Jets news.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Alex is going down right now, Alan Lazard, you wanting.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
To take a pay cut, just stay.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
With the Jets. Oh my gosh, huge development something, it's something.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
So I'm just gonna ask you.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Okay, quarterback on his third team in three years, what
does that tell you?
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Well, like I said, like, we've seen this with a
couple other guys.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Wasn't Baker like that too?
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Because it was.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
Rams.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
There might have been another team in there for Carolina. Yeah,
he was there.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Yeah, and he just you just need the right He wasn't.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Number one overall picks. Heels was like fifteen.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
It doesn't matter. Still a first rounder. Sam Darnold another situation.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
We really didn't see him actually take off until last
year with the biking. You're right, there is there is
a possibility here if it's the right coaching, franchise, match
team chemistry.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
He is from Detroit. He was a Ben Johnson guy. Now,
so I don't know that he's ever called plays in
his life. I won't even try to. Voldemort is his
last name. I'm kidding, that's not his last name. It's
something similar to that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
But I was like Jerry Potter, I wonder it's kind
of a black Fox.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I don't know what to expect from Fields. He could
be really good, like you're saying, yes, Donald, or he
could just you know, beat Justin Field, who has a big.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Positive you leaning on the positive side.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
You're a winning positive?
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Are you going with the winning season? Let's start there.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Nine wins?
Speaker 5 (23:38):
You think you're having a winning was shocked if they
won nine? Okay, well, let's move to Indy. The Colts
signed Daniel Jones to compete with Anthony Richardson for the
starting quarterback job. Now, despite that, Indy had a private
visit with Texas quarterback Quen Yours. Now, we still haven't
seen a full healthy season from Anthony Richardson. Daniel Jones
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is another one where he's looking to kind of prove
he can still.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Be a starter.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
But the Colts have a lot of question marks, a
lot of question marks.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Now they have draft picks.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Their first round is fourteenth overall, second round is thirteenth.
In the second round, just forty fifth overall and yours isn't.
It's not a bad option to like, I don't think
you can be too rich at the most important position
in the NFL, especially if you don't know for sure
if you have your guy yet and you know, Quinn's
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been to the culture will playoff in back to back years.
He's had the success. He's probably a second round pick.
That would be a good second round pick. You're high
on him, I like, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
This was a five star kid who was like I
think it might have been the number one recruit in
the country, leaves early for Ohio State. He was the
first like big nil guy and then leaves Ohio State
goes to Texas. Is a little cocky. Remember he had
like the mullet. By the way, I will have a bullet.
Love mullet. I'm going to be getting a mullet soon
because my son is in middle school and like, everybody
has a mullet. So he got, well, they're cool, and
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so I'm like, I'll match your mullet.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
So I'll be getting to five month. I haven't talked
to Harry yet.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Ruth, she's she's not committed to it, but we'll see,
so I don't know. I kind of like the cultures
here and I kind of like when you wers. I'll
leave it at that.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Okay, all right, well let's end in Cleveland here.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Brown's owner Jimmy Haslam made some shocking statements earlier this
summer when he finally took ownership of a team's decision
to sign to Sean Watson and admitting the two hundred
and thirty million guaranteed contract was a mistake and Watson
has two years left on that deal, and responded to
the critics, you know.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
The performance comes when you know your back gets the walls.
It comes better because you kind of got to really
lock in. You know, you don't have anything pretty much
to lose. And I feel like that's why I'm at
right now. You know, everyone's down me. You know, everyone
don't believe in me. Everyone don't think that I can
get back to.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Where I was and where where were you?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Like in your three years too playing with the Browns
nine and ten, nineteen passing touchdowns, seventeen giveaways, an eighty
point seven passer rating. I just ownership finally accepted that
they made a mistake. I think you kind of need
to accept the fact that you're probably done. You made
your mark on the NFL. It wasn't a good one.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
You were in the headlines for all the wrong reasons.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
He's twenty nine years old, he's had multiple lower body injuries, Like,
that's not something you just bounced back from, especially with
the reputation that he has, so no one wants to
take that on.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Let me ask you, how awkward is it that a
week ago the owner of the team said we swung
and miss movie it was duck, And now he's coming
out on a video saying I'm going to be back
way better than Oh, you're not. No, you're not. I
just can't imagine if Fox publicly came out and said, hey,
swinging a miss with McIntyre and then your mound air,
I'm going to dominate more than everything.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It just would feel weird.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
It is.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
I know, it's.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Like, I don't like Shina light on someone who's had
as discussing his allegations as he has off the field.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
It's just hard. It's like, you're not, you haven't. It's
not no, just I'm done.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
I'm done with them, all.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Right, We're done with this.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Alex Scurry with.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
The news Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping
by the heard line there.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Coming up next, the great Rick Buker coming on to
talk Lakers. You know it's gonna pain him to talk
about Lebron and Luca dominating. That's next year on the Hurt.
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Speaker 4 (28:32):
Back here on the Herd, joined by the great Rick Bucker,
Fox Sports NBA analyst. He's been covering the league for
since Michael Jordan was a factor. That's how long it's been, Rick,
I've never seen a night.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
It's always good to start the show with Shane.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I gotta do some shade of mj not you, of course,
I've never seen a night like that before. Luca crying
that drops forty five. They want to fire the GM.
I mean part of me wants to ask, do you
have Nico's number? We call him up, I do him
on the spot.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
He's such a coward.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
He doesn't want to meet the media once and now
he's like just standing down.
Speaker 13 (29:07):
I'm not going to pile on Nico one because ownership
didn't want to pay the three hundred and forty five million,
and he had to be the guy that did the
dirty work. And you know, I'm not saying that he
didn't on some level agree with the move, but.
Speaker 10 (29:23):
And it remains to be seen.
Speaker 13 (29:25):
You know, as dramatic as last night was, as impactful
as it was, I will say this, it was. It
will go down in history as one of the most
heart tugging moments in sports history because the trembling lip
and the I mean that was it. The close up
and the trembling lip and the tears made you realize
(29:47):
how much.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
Luca loved being a Dallas Maverick.
Speaker 13 (29:51):
And to have a great player like that who's that
tied to a franchise, That's that's what people will not forget.
Speaker 10 (30:00):
And that's what made it so powerful.
Speaker 13 (30:01):
I don't even know that he had to have a
great game, but the fact that he then had forty
five and did all the Luca magic things that he does, that's.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
That's what just that buried it for him.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
By the way, how was Anthony Davis last night for
the MAVs? Huh? How's that trade working out for Dallas?
Speaker 10 (30:20):
Why do you say that with such a bleed?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I like a d but you know him and play
Thompson had to be like, what do we do to
deserve this?
Speaker 8 (30:27):
No?
Speaker 13 (30:28):
Yeah, well you need Kyrie Irving to play the role.
I mean, essentially it's the Warriors without Steph Curry. And
then you'd be looking at, you know, Jimmy Butler going
what did I do to deserve this? This isn't what
I signed up for. So I think that's that's part
of it. And look, the change between Luca and Anthony Davis.
(30:49):
The thing that always bothered me and still bothers me
is that we're rewriting this now with him and the
Lakers that he you know, he just never became the
player that Lebron needed him to be for Lebron to
go win another championship.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
That's out there that's being said like saying that.
Speaker 13 (31:05):
That's the suggestion is is that he was holding Lebron
back offensively and now you see what Lebron is still
capable of doing. Right. Well, of course, because Luca is
a playmaker. Anthony Davis, you know this this whole we're
going to play through a d and all that, and
he's Lebron's gonna take a step back and Ady's gonna
(31:26):
take a step forward offensively. That was never gonna work.
You were asking ad b Ad to be something that
he's never been. He is a defensive backbone and he's
a great stretch for he can do a great offensive rebounder.
But don't ask him to like orchestrate your offense because
he's never done that.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It's weird. I don't know who said it. It might
have been Broussard, but like this, people were saying that
Kyrie was the best wingman ever for Lebron, or most
skilled player maybe, And I'm just like, Lebron's never been
with a playmaker like this.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Kyrie and Wade were scores. Yeah, you know, Luca's basically
just carried the first half.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Luca do everything, and what happens late Lebron fourteen points
in the forts because he looks fresh as a daisy
and he can attack the rim and get every rebound.
Speaker 13 (32:09):
Yeah, and he's not I mean he's playing off the ball,
and he's playing off of all the attention that Luca
is creating. He gets to be the number two now
and take advantage of that. And you got Lebron James
even at forty as your number two, you're in pretty
good shape. I mean, he's like he's been around forever.
He's he's really smart. I will say this, he deserves
(32:30):
tremendous credit. I never I didn't know if Lebron could
play off the.
Speaker 10 (32:35):
Ball as well as he has.
Speaker 13 (32:37):
But his ability to move off the ball, ability to
catch and shoot, it's been very impressive.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, you know, Luka, Doncic has almost become a polarizing
figure the way he yells at reps.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
He was ejected from the OKC game and I kind of.
Speaker 10 (32:53):
But did you see him last night?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
They were sent it to Tech last night. By the way,
did you see that right before the game? I know
that second technical see see.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Him during the game last night.
Speaker 13 (33:03):
He did not say a peeph like when he did
approach the referees, it was he was almost like whispering.
It was, yeah, that like this is this is the thing. Look,
there's a lot of a lot of the reasons that
the Dallas Mavericks decided we didn't want to We don't
want to invest in him in the in the for
the long term. We're legitimate chronic injuries, never in shape,
(33:28):
like gains weight in the off season, like all of
those things.
Speaker 10 (33:32):
And I and I understand that you go to the.
Speaker 13 (33:35):
Finals against Boston and you're harping on the referees and
you're not being able to defend at a high level,
and you're conditioning, whether that was because of.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
Injury or whatever. All of those cost you a championship.
Speaker 13 (33:50):
And you come back and you're not demonstrably a different player.
Speaker 10 (33:54):
You're doing all the same things.
Speaker 13 (33:56):
You're not in shape, you get injured again, you're still
harping on the referees. So if you lose a championship
because of those things and you don't change, it's like, well,
is he ever going to change? But here's the thing,
now that he's had this, Oh I'm expendable.
Speaker 10 (34:12):
Or I don't rule the roost, like all of.
Speaker 13 (34:16):
This may inspire him to change, but I don't know
if it ever would have happened if he had stayed
in the Dallas Maverick.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
That's fair. I totally get that. But Rick nothing, all
those negatives, all that negative stuff you just said, and
he still took them to the finals last year. So
it's like, oh, he's overweight, Okay, he still got them.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
To the finals.
Speaker 13 (34:38):
But they're not paying him for what he did. They're
paying him the three hundred and forty five million for
what he's going to do over the next five years.
And that's why, as peths look the visuals last night,
I'm almost ready to say, no, matter what happens, it's
a bad trade because of what we saw last night.
But that said, the true measure of whether of just
(35:02):
you know, how bad this trade was, is going to
be determined over the next five years, not last night.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Well, it's always a great selling point. Hey give us
five years. Hey, you know these tariffs that we're going
to implement, it's a long term play. Just be patient.
Trust the process has been going for what a decade? Now,
this stuff, you can't sell that to NBA fans. Hey,
No you can't, No, you can't.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I want answers now.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I want to get back to the championship.
Speaker 10 (35:28):
Now, I get that. I get well.
Speaker 13 (35:30):
And they were hoping that Kyrie, a healthy Kyrie and
a d and all the other pieces that they play
in there, they'd be able to they'd be able to
get that done. Look I'm not I'm not defending it.
I'm just explaining the logogic behind it. And you can't
forecast injuries. And I know what you're gonna say, Well,
with Kyrie and ad you can yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
So okay, so sell me. If you're with the Mavericks
front office, you know, your boys with Nico and then
this governor clown, go ahead, sell me. I'm a fan, Hey, patience,
give me, give us a few years. Go ahead, let
me let me hear it. That's just I just don't
think anything is going to play. Kath No, you can't.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
You're right, You're right, you're right. But again it's it's
I'm not trying to say.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
The deed is done.
Speaker 10 (36:13):
They can't sell you on anything.
Speaker 13 (36:15):
At this point, I would just I'd point to a
Joel Embiid, I'd point to a Zion Williamson. I would say, look,
there are teams that had players not as good as Luca,
But what does it matter if the guy's injured and
not available and they load up on him, and then now.
Speaker 10 (36:35):
Where are you stuck? You're stuck in purgatory.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Okay, so that's why that's giant Embiid. You're right out
of shape, constantly never took a team to the finals.
Luca's games played seventy sixty six, sixty five sixty six.
That's not like Chop Liver that would still qualify him
for all NBA. He's not missing a full season. I mean,
Zion is a mess. I'm sure you saw the latest story.
Speaker 13 (36:55):
Look, I'm not making a straight line comparison again to
what they've done as opposed to what you're looking at
going in the future. Lucas twenty five, twenty six years old.
So there's two ways to look at that.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
One.
Speaker 13 (37:08):
He's twenty five and twenty six years old, and he's
had the same calf injury three times within a.
Speaker 10 (37:13):
Year, not great and missed and missed games.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Right.
Speaker 13 (37:16):
The flip side is he's twenty five, twenty six years old.
You know what he's going to mature, He's going to like,
he's going to get his act together, and you don't
want to miss out when he gets his act.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
When did you get your act together? Because I know
I didn't until I was like mid thirty. It took
me a little while.
Speaker 13 (37:30):
Right, I'm right there with the late twenties, early thirties. Okay,
you with the shelf light, we've you know, we've got
a little more runway than an NBA player.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
All right, So you were on Monday, but we did
not cover it. Mike Malone fired in Dewn. This NBA
sees has been crazy between it has a trade, firing
the Memphis coach and now firing the Nuggets coach. It
sounds like the GM and the coach hated each other.
I'm reading Cold War.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
Oh yeah, there's no question.
Speaker 13 (37:58):
The problem that Michael Malone had was as a GM
texted me the morning it happened, I said, like, what's
going on?
Speaker 10 (38:07):
Taylor Jenkins and now Mike Malone.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
He goes, when you don't get along with people and
you're losing, you put yourself in harm's way. And Mike Malone,
in spite of being there for ten years, never really cultivated.
Speaker 10 (38:22):
Any He didn't and nobody had his back.
Speaker 13 (38:25):
He didn't cultivate relationships. So he and Calvin Booth completely
at odds.
Speaker 10 (38:30):
From almost the start.
Speaker 13 (38:32):
And that worked against Mike because the guys that were
that were Mike advocates in the locker room. Bruce Brown,
I'm told, was a Mike Malone guy, KCP was a
Mike Malone guy. Like all those guys got moved along.
And what happens is your ratio changes. You may have
(38:52):
some guys in there that aren't feeling him, but as
long as you have enough of them that are that
are backing the coach, then you can kind of work
through that. But when it becomes the ratio becomes so unbalanced.
Now it's now now you got a quorum in there
that are that are chirping about the coach's and then
you start losing.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Yeah, that's a probably some big words here, korum educating
the audience. So Nuggets last night, first game without Malone.
Oh that's right, I forgot. You're a big time writer.
Russell Westbrook fewest minutes he's played in months, and Jalen
Pickett started and played pretty damn good. Like seven people
listening to the show know who Jalen Picket is. It
(39:32):
seems like the old versus young guys was a bit
of an issue there. Malone doesn't trust the young guys
like the veterans, which I get, you.
Speaker 13 (39:39):
Know, yeah, no, no, no, no, I mean, look, Mike's an
old school coach. Yeah, and you have a team that's
in transition and it works with a guy like Jokic.
You know, for those people out there that are like, well,
they they wouldn't have fired they wouldn't have fired Mike
without you know, Jokic's approval and as Joki said, they
came in and told them what they.
Speaker 10 (39:58):
Were going to do.
Speaker 13 (39:59):
They didn't ask right because Jokis grew up in Serbia.
Like over there, the coach is king, but it's not
player empowerment. Over there, you like the organization, the coach,
they run the show and you are fortunate that you're
a player.
Speaker 10 (40:16):
And so that's his mindset here.
Speaker 13 (40:18):
He wasn't about to walk into Josh Cronky's office and say, hey,
it's either me or him. That's just not in the
DNA of any European players.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
So we got about a minute left. Warriors lose it
the buzzer last night. Yeah, last week, not just lost,
lost to of former Warriors.
Speaker 10 (40:35):
That they moved out in order to bring kd in.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
So beat Memphis last week, Curry goes off beat the Lakers,
beat the Nuggets, and everybody's champion in Golden State as
the team.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
All of a sudden, now they lose to the Rockets
and the Spurs.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Do we know if this team is dangerous?
Speaker 13 (40:51):
Rick, Well, they just they have to have all hands
on deck, and thirty seven year old Steph Curry being
as essential as he is, is.
Speaker 10 (41:01):
A little troubling. They don't have a margin for error.
Speaker 13 (41:03):
But I would also say this for everybody out there
that is taking all these games, whether it's the Lakers
in OKC, or it's the Warriors losing to the Spurs
or whatever, let's not lose sight of what they've done
over the course of the year.
Speaker 10 (41:20):
For the last few games of the regular season.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
That's a great point, Rick Buker, Fox Sports NBA analysts
always fun stuff, always got good info.
Speaker 10 (41:28):
Uh, we make a good quorum here, Core.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I feel like I'm smarter just Rick Buker sits on
the sofa.
Speaker 13 (41:34):
Generally, Jay, you are when I come one.
Speaker 10 (41:39):
Yep, coming up next?
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Which NBA players are under the most pressure this postseason?
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