December 6, 2021 • 40 mins
Patrick Mahomes is struggling but he will figure it out
Colin's thoughts on the end of the Steelers-Ravens game
Tom Brady will be the MVP
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of both, and the new Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman. Oh,
Mario Crystal Ball is the new coach. Well, the Miami Hurricanes.
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So Miami and USC. This is something I've been saying
for years. College football It's okay if it's got ten
percent glamour, because ninety percent of its small town America.
Right for ten percent of college football to be Texas
a glamor program. Miami's glamour program. USC is a glamor program.
You can have both. It's okay. Don't be don't be
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scared Miami, Mario crystal Ball, great hire. Congratulations. I feel
like you spoke this into existence, calling you like LaVar
Ball speak some more things over my life. I told USC,
I said, please just swing big, Just swing. That's what
you have to do when you're USC and your Miami
and it's your pro sports markets, right like people are distracted.
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Don't hire some guy from Akron and think it's gonna
be big. All right. I want to start with the NFL.
So when Patrick Mahomes entered the league, people freaked out.
And not that I was a cynic, but even Mahomes's family.
I was told said, you know, Coward's the last guy
to join the party on Mahomes. And Patrick's a great kid,
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and I'm rooting for him, and he's got a Super
Bowl and he'll probably win another. But the media needs
a new story, and the media loves cool and new
because it's more fun to write about. So that left
handed passes and the side arm throws, and yeah, Tom
Brady doesn't do those, and either it is Justin Herbert,
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and right now, Justin Herbert's the best quarterback in that division,
not Patrick Malmes. Have you watched the last two months.
What's happening. I like Mahomes, but the media goes crazy.
A new and fun and exciting, and that's not what
wins tonight. The two best teams arguably in the AFC,
boring New England and Buffalo in a snowstorm will play
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and boring New England's the hottest team in the league.
And the Miami Dolphins and Washington playing great defense with
b minus quarterbacks, they're winning. What's not winning right now,
what's not blowing everybody away is Kansas City's offense. Great coach,
really good line, great weapons, and Patrick Mahomes is struggling.
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He is had one good game in two months. I
love him. He'll be fine, He'll figure it out. He's coachable,
he's a good kid. But when guys like me rolled
our eyes at the left handed passes, it's one pass
in a four hour game, or the side arms stuff
like he's lost his mechanics. He's broken right now now,
Thank god. The Kansas City defense is fantastic. Chris Jones
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is unblockable. They deserve all the credit. But Mahomes, for
the first time ever, no touchdown passes back to back
games in the last eight games. He's played poorly in
seven in the last five, four of the five he's
out of passer rating under seventy five. And by the way,
this is what the scouts believe it or not. Scouts
know more about this stuff than you and I did.
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This is what they said out of college. I'll read
you a quote from Lance Zerline. He's the one radio
host in America who I believe in when it comes
to scouting. He knows his stuff. He said on Mahomes
he doesn't have a very repeatable process as a passer.
What does that mean. That's the opposite of Brady. That's
why Brady just works on mechanics over and over. It's
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repeatable and repeatable. And Mahomes, everything looks different. He every
pass looks different. And now his mechanics are in the toilet.
And he's either broken and will need an offseason to
get it right, that's my guess, or he'll get it
right in the next two or three weeks. He's coachable,
he knows he's struggling, and Kansas said he'll be fine.
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But you know, just know going in that the media
falls for new, fun and flashy, and by the way,
we all do. It's fun like right, like new talent.
But if you look at right now, what's working in
quarterback play? Brady's gonna win the MVP now. Lamar Jackson's
more fun to watch, and mahomes is more fun to watch,
and Josh Allen's more fun to watch. I'm not. I'm not.
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I love watching Josh Allen way more than Mac Jones
to night. But uncool and repeatable and kind of boring.
It wins in this league. We all want a new
Georgia Alabama one. We all want a new AFC Titan.
New England's the hottest team we all want. This guy
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is an MVP. Brady's gonna win it. Mahomes at least.
This is why I think Mahomes will be fine. He's
not cocky, he's totally coachable, he's super talented, he's a
great kid. But he's got to go back to being
boring and the basics he's every path is he's just
his mechanics are in the toilet and he talked about
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it after. Obviously, we feel like we're not playing our
best football. We have spurts where really good and we
have spurts where we kind of have These these were
not scoring we're not finding ways to finish drives. So definitely,
as a competitor, you want to be better. But I
think you win football games. You win football games at
the end of the day. And so for us, if
we keep winning football games, defense keeps playing the way
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that they're playing, when the offense we really become who
we know we can be, will be a hard football
team to beat. But the problem is their identity. Their
core id nity is offense. They're not running the football now,
they're not passing it well. So when you go into
the playoffs, New England's got an identity. Miami and Washington
now may not even make the playoffs. They've got an identity. Okay,
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Buffalo's got an identity. So the problem right now with
Kansas City their core identity is big plays. So they're
not running the ball. But that never mattered when they
were a big play offense, and now they're not. Sixteen
points against Denver last night, in fact, and you read
at one point in the fourth quarter, fourth and two
kicked a field goal. The fans booed. That tells you
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right now they are not confident in the side of
the ball that we all thought was going to win
six Super bowls Boring's okay, two you can win being boring,
especially in December. All right, let me do you guys
here Mario Crystal Ball's coaching Miami. I'm sorry, Lincoln Riley
got the USC job. I'm just being obnoxious. Now, Okay,
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I want to talk about Steers Ravens. And so it
was a fantastic game. The late win was crazy. Baltimore
Pittsburgh was uneven. It was kind of messy, but I
found it fascinating. And there was a lot of criticism
in the end because Baltimore went for two and they've
got the world's best field goal kicker, and they are
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the better team. Baltimore is better than Pittsburgh. So if
you have the better team and you got the world's
best field goal kicker, then you should just kick the
extra point and got overtime. But but let me just
let me just add this while I'll defend Baltimore on that,
because when you build a business, and that's all football is,
it's just even college football. Now most of you are
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finally acknowledging what those of us who knew it years ago.
It's a business. Join And I've been saying this for years.
It's a business. Get over it. NFL and college are
the same business, just one you have to go to
class occasionally. But here's why I'll defend Baltimore. It's very
consistent with their business model. This is what they do.
This is what Baltimore does. The Chargers and the Ravens
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are goal for it on fourth down teams. Second part
of this, Big Ben was playing his butt off Deontae Johnson,
the wide receiver for the Steelers was uncoverable and the
Ravens were falling apart. And so the way to lose
locker rooms in the NFL is confusion and players start
questioning the coach. Nobody in that Baltimore locker room this
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morning is questioning John Harbaugh or Lamar Jackson. This is
their brand. The Dallas Cowboys, y'all get beside yourself because
Mike McCarthy field goal goal for it, field goal goal
for it, arn't show was criticizing the Cowboys because you
never know what they are. You always know what the
Ravens are. With Lamar Jackson and John Harbaugh, they're into
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analytics and they go for it. Football is a business,
and how you run your business. Here's what never happens
in Baltimore. They never lose a locker room. Good batter
and different. The Ravens never lose a locker room ever,
because they all know this is what we do. We're
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not passive, you know, like like like the UFC, the
UFC is data white, full of testosterone. For everything. They
pushed back, they yell, they screamed, They attack the media.
But that's their business model. If Dana White suddenly became
politically correct and oh, you know, we're not gonna do
that because the media is after us, everybody at UFC
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would be like, well, let's know your business model. Ravens
are aggressive. They always have been. They've always had a
great owner, they've always had a great front office. They
never lose the locker room. And they went for it. Yes,
yes they've got the world's best kicker, but that would
just get you to overtime on the road against the
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hot quarterback and unguardable Deonte Johnson. And as John Harbaugh said,
after we were running out of players, John Harbaugh after
try to win the game right there, We were totty
much out of corners, you know at that point in time,
So is an opportunity to try to win the game
right there. No, it did not. You know, they aggressively
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play analytics um and so you know from that standpoint
they're predictable. Yeah, but that's okay. You need to be
somewhat predictable inside your own business, inside the walls of
your locker room. You know. Dave Wanstat used to always say,
you can lose games. You can't lose a locker room.
You can't lose Chicago Dalton justin fields. It feels like
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they're losing the locker room, right like when the young
guys like that guy and the old guys like that guy,
forty nine ers are like, hey, Jimmy Garoppolo, that's who
we're starting this year. You don't lose the locker room.
And so I'll defend Baltimore. You can. And by the way,
you know everybody had the play worked and it was
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half a football from complete for touchdown. It was about
four or five inches mark Andrew's great tight end. This
is about four to five inches from winning the game.
None of you would have said a word, None of
you would have had the courage to go on Twitter
and say what a terrible decision. So I'm not going
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to give you the audience and the platform to bang
on him when it didn't work. It was completely true
to their core values as a franchise, win or lose.
All right, great to have you in. We got so
much going on today. Joey Taylor's herd line news today.
She may just do eight minutes three times of hurricane
football and she has got my okay on that. Very exciting,
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very exciting stuff. It is. It's I've said before, it's football.
We It's okay to have ann Arbor and Norman, Oklahoma,
and Stillwater in Pullman, Washington, and Athens, Georgia. Awesome. But
it's okay to have Miami in La matter too. It's
good for the sport. Usc Texas got a twenty two
and a half rating that beats NFL playoff games. The
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country told you we like some glamor two. Nothing wrong
with mashed potatoes. There's nothing wrong with you know, United
pork Shop. Occasionally you gotta have some caviar some time,
a little just a little bit that you don't have
a plate of caviar. He just have a little appetizer.
It's okay, a little dessert, a little caviar, can't wait.
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All sorts of college football stuff coming up today. Notre
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Dame's new coach, Marcus Freeman, next hour, Colin right, Colin wrong,
forty five minutes from now. So you know, it's interesting
and I think we've we've talked about this before that
I like my quarterbacks in twenty twenty one to have
some ability to be mobile. If you look at what
the way the rule changes are. I like my quarterbacks
to have some wiggle. When Russell Wilson broke into this
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league seven or eight years ago, I'm like, this is
he's unique. He's an outlier. Well now he doesn't necessarily
feel like an outlier, right, Like a lot of guys move,
but it's interesting to note this. Jalen Hurts moves around
a lot. He's hurt. Lamar Jackson moves around a lot.
He's regressed. Kyler Murray runs around a lot. He's not
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at one hundred percent second Yearni was hurt, justin fields,
very athletic hurt. You know who's not Tom Brady, who
should be the MVP. Number one in touchdown passes, number
one in passing yards, number one, he averages. Only quarterback
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to average over three hundred yards a game, only team
to average over thirty points. Is that. I like my
quarterbacks to be able to move. And Brady's so good
at the line of scrimmage. He moves very well inside
the pocket. But but he doesn't. And that's okay. But
I hope we're all paying attention to all the guys
moving are hurt or regressing. Mahomes a little bit of
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a mover, regressing Lamar, regressing, Jalen Hurt's hurt, justin fields hurt,
Kyler Murray hurt again, And so you know, let's let's
be honest too. December football is different. The longest winning
streak in this league right now are New England, Miami,
Washington in Kansas City, and the story with all of
them is defense. So December Football, the NFL added the game. Okay,
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that's another game. That's another ten or twelve hits on
the body. So you know, as much as we all
love a quarterback that can mean that can move. Brady
is the runaway MVP. Kyler Murray Hattie stayed Healthy would
have won my vote. But you start looking around right
now and it's okay if the quarterback moves. But Bryce
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Young for Alabama is a thrower. Tom Brady is a thrower.
Justin Herbert Healthy is a thrower. And the defenses now
and the pocket quarterbacks are once again in December making
their presence felt. Here was Gronk after Tampa's big win
over Atlanta. I mean, we can we go way back
back in the heyday with that connection. I mean we've
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been working on that since you know, twenty ten together
and it definitely, you know, paid off there. And Uh,
I would say that second touchdown definitely brought it back
to the heyday with the fade, he gave me an
audible and uh, I wasn't supposed to have a fade,
but he saw it, and uh just reminds me of
the heydays with us. Uh. You know, it's interesting. Gronk
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there almost gave you the signal. Do you see that
He put his hand up, he audibled me, and then
he pulled his hand down. Because Tom has some physical
queue and Gronk almost gave it away there. But it
is interesting. If you look at December, weather is colder,
late summer football, September does not look like December. It's
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why I said about the Cowboys on Thursday. They won
by ten on the road against the really good defense.
That's okay, don't get too picky. I don't care who
you play. Your quarterback's healthy. You're playing good defense. Miami
right now. Two is healthy playing good defense. Quarterbacks healthy,
you're playing defense. You're running the football a little. You
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feel like now you may not, you may be in artistic.
It's not pretty, but you feel like a playoff team
to me. Joy with the news. No, no turn on
the news. This is the herd line news. It's all
about it all today. You're going to be obnoxious right now.
You have a right to be obnoxious South you Colin Uh.
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I've had some I've had some sauces on this. I've
been following this very closely as obviously I have deep
connections in Miami and no lots of Canes ends and
some deep into Kane's Twitter as well. But until until
many Das was gone, I was not celebrating, like no
point in getting my hopes up about this until they
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let go of Many Daz, because that's that's what the
story was the entire time. They're not gonna let Many
go until they have it in writing number. All that
stuff we were talking about promises last week in integrity
and all that sounds great. Let me see the paperwork
with the signature and your contact signature on it before
we celebrate. By the way, the story came out Crystal
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Ball in Miami. He'd been working on this since early November. Yeah, folks,
get over your integrity stuff. The bottom line, this is
why you have agents. Crystal Ball's like he tells his
agent in early November. Yes, I'm interested. It's my home,
my family would prefer to live there. I'm not going
to talk about it. I want deniability. You go work
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on it, and then the agent this is what happens,
goes and works on it for a month, and then
Crystal Ball can pay attention to football. He and the
agent talk every four or five days, and the agent
says blah blah blah blah blah. But it allows the
coach to do what he does. But all you integrity
pushers stop it already, by the way. Oklahoma got their guy,
Miami got their guy, USC got their guy, Notre Dame
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got their guy. Some got high profile head coaches USC,
some got or Crystal Ball, some got really really talented coordinators. Oklahoma,
everybody got. Some got a guy within their program, Notre Dame.
I think they all did very, very well, and there
were a lot of different paths to get your guy.
But you gotta stop, folks. College football is a business,
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and these big brands like Notre Dame, Miami, USC, they're
gonna get their guy, and they're gonna call your coach
in the middle of a season if they want him,
and you got to come to terms with it. Yeah,
and I think that this particular coaching carousel, if we
want to call it, that can pretty much puts the
rest the idea that nobody is ever going to leave
a program. Oh God, like that's over with. I did
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not think this was gonna happen. I didn't think any
of these moves were going to happen. And they've all
seemed like they happened overnight, but they really didn't because
it's a business. And guess what, that's how all deals
are done. They're never done overnight. You got to have
lawyers look stuff over. You got to negotiate. These things
don't happen within a couple of hours. But the reason
why this one has dragged out a bit longer is
because Mario wanted to tell the players himself. He didn't
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wanted to be out in the media. Although all you know,
things do leak because there's conversations being had for a
long amount of time, but he wanted to tell the
players in person and have that conversation. Well, Miami is
fired head coach Manidia, so now we know that they
are moving forward with Mario crystball because they were holding
on to Manny this whole time. He was with the
Canes for three seasons twenty one and fifteen. Record finished
second in the ACC behind Pitt this year. He's not
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didn't do a terrible job, but there are certain standards
at the University of Miami. There's expectations at the University
of Miami, similar to USC and these other major schools,
that they want to win. By the way, all the
coaches hired are known as good recruiters. Many DA has
not known as a great recruiter. That's what this sport is.
Thanks what the sport is the NFL is a business
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and college football is a business. They are, however, different
businesses because how you acquire talents and keep that talents
is different. Well, in the NFL, the team selects the player.
In college, the player selects the team. You need a
salesman as a coach, and Crista Ball is a massive,
good looking, massive alpha presence he'll be. And that's what,
by the way, that's what Miami needs. A Miami guy
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and like a Jimmy Johnson, that big presence, Howard Schnellenberger. Big,
Miami's a pro sports town. They're distracted. They got the beach.
Look at your hotel room, it's awqua water. They got
better stuff to do than watch average football. Schnellenberger, Jimmy
Johnson and Mario Crystal Ball. They walk into a room
and they take your breath away a little. They're like, WHOA. Well,
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he's known for being a great recruiter. Yeah, everywhere he wins.
Now he has a thirty five and thirteen record at
his Organs. That's great coach. He got him to two
Pac twelve titles and one a Rose Bowl. But what's
unique about Mario is he's really a Miami guy. And
for the longest time that was the conversation around Miami.
The former players at the University of Miami have a
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lot of say in influence. Obviously, the boosters are very influential.
The alumni, the high profile alumni in Miami are very influential.
Everybody wants a Miami guy like you gotta you gotta
be Miami. There's just certain places where he feels like
you've got to be authentic. That's why the Brian Kelly
thing is very interesting. I think he's a great enough
coach to overcome clearly not being a Louisiana guy, you
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know what I mean, Like you have to fit that
culture there to all those points. He played there, He
won a national championship there, He played under Jimmy Johnson,
he coached there, like he grew up there. He went
to Christopher Columbus High School. He knows everything that's gonna
go on and around that program. Brothers big in law
enforcement in the town. Like this. This is a I mean,
Lincoln Riley is a good hire by USC, but he
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has no connection to LA Right, this is a perfect
fit for Miami there. There couldn't be a better candidate.
I know that you know, Miami fans and alumni are
super happy about this, and so now let's just support
it and start working on that a new stadium for them,
because you gotta get the Canes playing somewhere. So the
Lions finally did it. Yeah, why did I care so much?
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I saw your tweet. I was very I was very gripping.
I thought it was fantastic. I was nervous. So was
I because because Detroit's been in these last second situations
a couple of times this year, like five times, four times,
come on, like, just just get just do it. And
it was actually a great play. It wasn't like a
fluke thing. Jared Goff led the Lions on a seventy
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five yard drive less than two minutes remaining, and they
got their first one of the season on a last
second touchdown to Saint Brown. They beat the Vikings twenty nine,
twenty seven. Let's take listen to that final moment, victory
of the year. On the line, Goff's got it back,
looks gross and they didn't. I'm a ross safe Brown
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and they receive again. Oh they're rusty the field. They've
done it. Three zeros of the clock. This game is over.
It's over. The local calls are always the best. Love,
there's no comparisons. It was just such a wonderful you know,
because it's funny. There's five bad teams in this league,
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but the Lions don't feel hopeless. First of all, uh,
their tackle is excellent. Brown's the fourth round ride receiver excellent.
Their defensive line picks are playing like their draft picks
are playing. They have another great pick, and Goff is
going to be the quarterback if Golf has time to throw.
It's always been the thing with Yeah, Jared's Matt Ryan,
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He's fine. You don't need to blow stuff up. Keep
golf for a couple of years, build the roster, and
Jared Goff has been able to get to the playoffs
if he has a little time to throw, play in
the Super Bowl. Yes, he's game. He has time a throat.
But that's everything's not always gonna be perfect in which
is the issue with Derek Goff. But all good things yesterday.
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Congrats to the Lions. It was very exciting. I hate
seeing teams lose every game of the season. It's the
worst nobody wants that. Nobody wants bad teams in the NFL.
Despite what any of you fan bases think and it
always brings me back to that two thousand and seven
Miami team because they they finally beat the Ravens, and
I completely empathize with the Lions players the staff, Like
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I cried, I sabbed, like like they won the Super Bowl.
Cleo Lemmon to Greg Camrio, I was I had snot bubbles.
I was so happy they didn't lose every game. So
congrats Lions. Now Kyler Murray is back and back like
he never left. Returned after missing three games to an
ankle sprain, didn't miss a beat, two touchdowns, ran for
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two more thirty three twenty two win over the Bears.
One of his touchdown passes went to Gandre Hopkins, who
was also out three games with a hamstring injury. So
they become the first team to win to reach ten
wins this season, and they are in control of the NFC.
Is the one seed I really Green Bay in Arizona
just feel like a different level. AFC is all cloudy.
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We'll find out some stuff tonight Monday Night Football. But boy,
when Kyler Murray is healthy and the Packers are semi healthy,
they just they feel better than everybody. But It's what's
so impressive about Arizona and the Packers is that when
they aren't healthy, they're still finding ways to win. Yeah,
they went two and one without Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopp.
That's a real thing. Aaron Rodgers is basically playing on
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one foot and they're winning games. So that's what's really
impressive is that you're overcoming what everyone is dealing with
in the NFL in injuries and still able to get
big wins. So glad to have them back though they're
exciting to watch. Joy with the news. Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. Let's
bring in Mike Vick thirteen years, four time pro bowler,
Fox Analysts, brought to you by Mercedes Fans, the best
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or Nothing. You know, it is interesting Kyler Murray runs,
but he's a little banged up, Mike. I would imagine
in your career you played often banged up and one
hundred percent and adrenaline probably got you through a lot
of starts. Right. Oh yeah, Kylin, ninety percent of my
career I played with some sort of injury, something lingering,
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something that was reaggravated and just not feeling good. I
can't remember a time where or a season where I
was one hundred percent healthy, But you know that does
that kind of strengthens your focus. It helps you throughout
the course of a game to kind of keen in,
became hone in on certain things, and be very, very
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distinct in your decision making. So you know why I
hated it. I kind of liked it because my focus
was on a totally different level than when I was
one hundred percent. I could tell you that for sure. Okay,
Lamar Jackson has regressed. My homes has regressed. Let's talk
about Patrick Mahomes. You know I said this earlier. One
of the knocks on him out of college was you ran,
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you run around, but you had a very beautiful throwing motion.
So does Kyle Murray, so does Russell Wilson. But Mahomes, Mike,
when I watch him, he can go sidearm. He doesn't.
He doesn't have what they call a repeatable throwing motion.
He kind of just looks different and that when I
watch him, that's what I see is that he kind
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of makes it up as he goes. That's what I feel,
and I feel he's sort of lost his way mechanically,
what do you see. Yeah, it's not like Aaron Rodgers
or Tom Brady, a repetitive throwing motion where it always
comes out the same, always looks the same, and you
know sometimes he's trying to find thrown lanes. But as
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a quarterback, when you get into a rhythm of doing
certain things a certain way, sad and passes because you
do it in practice and then you know, you find
yourself doing it in the game just naturally. It's not
something that you really focus on. You try to correct,
but when it when it happens and it doesn't go well,
you kind of look at it and you start to
question it. So with a lot of side on passes,
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you know Lamar does the same thing. You're gonna hit helmets,
You're gonna get balls battered because the ball is coming
out with a lord trajectory. Are you worried at all
about Lamar? I will defend Baltimore going for two because
they always are hyper aggressive. So I think I don't
think you lose a locker room going for two and failing.
I think players are okay with that. They don't want
to go to overtime either. Are you worried about Lamar
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though his struggles. Yeah, I'm worried calling in a sense
because you know, as I look at you know, quarterbacks
and how we go through the course of a season,
I can only think about myself and then year four,
year five, you know, when I was taking a lot
of hits and doing a lot and being asked through
a lot. You know, it really wore me. But you know,
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we feel that responsibility to just take on everything and well,
you know we'll run into a brick wafer our team.
And I know Lamar, that's his character, that's how he is.
But you know, as you go, you gotta progress. You
gotta progress into a passing you know, your longevity is
in you know, you're progressing the football down the field
in the passing fashion. So you know, gotta get some
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things cleaned up. You know, can't can't run the ball
as much down the stretch as he's done in the
past because he's only getting old and it's more way
and tests. So they got to be real meticulous about
how to use the lama moving forward. By the way,
would you let me just ask you if you were
a quarterback in that situation, would you rather go for
two or kick a field goal, give me a break
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and go to overtime. Now, it's a road game. If
you were a road quarterback, because there's no right answer
on this to me, what would you say to John Harbaugh? Yeah,
on the road, I want to go for two. I
want to get up out of there. And you know,
because our defense is gassed. And you know that as
a player, especially as a quarterback, because we keep eye
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on our defense and what they're doing, how they performing.
You know, you know, they just came off the field.
They lost the time of possession battle throughout the third
and fourth quarter, and this was a chance to end
it and they had a opp ney to do it.
You know, the receiver was there, you know, the tight
end Mark Andrews was open. I think Lamar he had
another pass. He had to side and throw around a
guy unfortunately, but you know, Kylin, I can count on
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my hand how many times I went for two throughout
the course of my career. And you know, I know
some games was probably decided by one or two, and
you know, just to have that opportunity, now, guys got
to appreciate it because it's gonna come up again. And
the more experience you get in that situation, the better
you're gonna be down the road. By the way, it
is December football, and Miami's playing well defense, Washington's playing
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well defense, Tampa's playing well. They're running the football. Tell
my audience, I mean, Brady knows this drill. By the way,
now he's going to his tight end. They're running the football.
It's pretty obvious what they're doing. You tell me December football, September.
What's the difference. Well, I heard you said earlier. I
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was watching the show. You know, it's about defense and
running the football, kind of controlling the clock, but more
so on a defensive side of the ball. And I
think defenses they get better because if you look at
the first couple of weeks of the season, you know,
everybody's kind of trying to guess, you know what other
teams are gonna do, you know what your opposition is
going to bring to the table. And then after you
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know five or six weeks, you know you got it.
You got film, and teams are not going to get
away from what they do or things that's favorable for them.
And now you got to trend on defense that you
can follow. Now you can scheme around what these teams
are doing. Whether they're doing they're gonna do it against
you or versus opponents that they've played. They're not gonna
go too far away or stem too far away from
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what they do best. So now you can scheme around that,
you can gain plan, and then you can you know,
you can go full steam ahead. So a lot of
these offenses they just get caught up with. And mainly
it's about the top defensive coordinators in the game or
top defensive minds in the game to build Beliitechs and
the Steve Spagnolers of the game who see things, recognize
it pointed out, and then send their guys to go
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attack it. By the way you played it. Virginia Tech,
they fired their coach. They have a new coach. You
live in Fort Lauderdale, that's Hurricane Country. They fired their coach.
They have a new coach. You know I was saying, Mike,
is that coaches get Mike many Das has been sitting
out there for days hearing the school has been interviewing somebody,
and I'm like, that's why I don't have a problem
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with coaches leaving, is these organizations will fire them in
the middle of their contract. They'll you know, leave them
hanging like Manny Daz And I'm not blaming Miami. That's
the reality of the game. What do you make of
the Miami hurricane situation? Cristal Ball many Das just sitting
there for a weekend. He doesn't know. I've always looked
at college football as a business. None of it hurts
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my feelings. How do you view it? Well? I think
Kristal Ball would be a good fit. You know, he
has the resume. You know, he's had a lot of
success in the past. But it has to be nerve
backing for many Das to just be sitting and seeing
all these coaches get moving around the country, getting paid,
you know, millions of dollars and not knowing what you're
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your host. But it's a good fit for Miami. Um,
you know, unfortunately I vie well, fortunately Viginia Tech. We
found our coach and maybe we would have gave Manny
a shot, but you know we got coach prior. We're
looking forward to that. But uh, you know, for Manny
did As, he'll land on his feet. You know, he'll
he'll land somewhere where he can go be successful, learn
from his mistakes and get it ready. To do it
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all over again. But you know, as college coaches, you
know the most important thing. You gotta be able to
do his recruit and you gotta have a name, and
you gotta have some privates around you so that you
can be successful in your states. So you know, those
are key things that I think Manny got to focus on.
But he'll definitely land on his feet. Good stuff, Michael
Vick Good Senie is always Bud. Appreciate you stopping by
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Mike vic Fox Sports. You know it, Listen, the reality
is is Howard Stern was fired. Uh. I mean you
go look at Mark Cuban, You look at all these
great American success stories. There's been bankruptcies, there's been firing.
If you're good, you'll get hired. Man, woman, young, old,
you're talented, you'll land back on your feet because there's
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basically in every single industry there's about one to two
percent difference makers, and everybody's looking for a difference maker,
so many dz. If he can really coach, he'll be fine.
But all you guys are belly ache in the last
week about integrity. Well, y'all got a good coach, and
in the end, the Oklahoma's the USC's the Miami's the
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Notre Dame. You hired somebody that you consider a one percenter,
and you had to pull him away from here and
pull him away from there, and the timing's never great.
But the NCAA has these early signing period so schools
are backed up against that. When they fire a coach,
they got to get a guy in in twenty four
hours so he can build a staff and recruit. But
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in the end, every school that just hired a coach
thinks he's a one to two percenter. Half will be right,
half will be wrong. But I'm never bothered by the
process to get him because I've always understood, and I
think most of you had. It's a business. By the way,
tenure professors is a business. You want to get your tenure.
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Everybody wants to get their tenures so they can get
that pension for the rest of their life. It's all
college campuses. They recruit. The fundraising is a business. The
recruiting is a business, the sports is a business. The
ranking of universities, it's a business. Everything's a business on
these college campuses. Everything from fundraising to football, to the
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your podcast from. Oh, it's such a great time of
the year. I am. You know, I grew up in
a small town, so I have a soft spot for
people that grew up in small towns. Because Joy grew
up in like Pittsburgh and then moved to Miami. She's
a big city girl. She's intimidating. I grew up in
a small town, so when you grew up in a
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small town, you have to leave it if you have dreams.
And Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert grew up in small towns,
and Justin Burrow's route was I had to Ohio State,
and they had transfer and didn't have a very good
first year, and they had an amazing second year. And
then Justin Herbert grew up right next to the University
of Oregon, small town, right down the street eat and
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that's the school he wanted to go to. And he
played and went't talk much about Justin Herbert, and nobody
believed in him. I had so much fun yesterday. These
guys are so kidnext door quality. I had so much
fun watching this game. They're really old school quarterbacks, they
really aren't. They love to throw it from the pocket.
They're from small towns. Yesterday Herbert got the better of
Joe Burrow. They're both gonna have wonderful careers. They both
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would prefer to throw it from the pocket, but they
like to sling it. They like to sit back there
and air it out. They both take big risks. Neither's
afraid to go deep, neither is afraid to throw it
up for grabs. And yesterday the Chargers won all the
jump balls, but there's a soft spot for here. And
you know, these are just these are great stories that
Joe Burrow had to transfer to get to the NFL.
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Everybody had questions about Justin Herbert, and I'm sitting there
and watching these two. Herbert six five and a half,
huge arm, a little more mechanical than Joe Burrow, who's
got a little tony romo qualit. He runs around, a
little bit of a gamer, a little bit of a playmaker.
But boy, the AFC tonight you'll see Josh Allen and
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Mac Jones, and we know there's Lamar Jackson and Mahomes.
They've regressed a little bit, they'll be fine, But you
start looking at that AFC. The NFC's got a lot
of older quarterbacks, right Like, yeah, a lot of old guys.
But I'm telling you, I sat here and watched this thing,
and I'm like, if they play for the next ten years,
those guys are going to be in so many great
shootouts and so many big games. And they both had
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completely different routes, but they're both small town kids who had,
you know, really good support systems. Eventually and found their
way to the NFL. But it was, it really was
it had a real old school quality, just guys dropping back,
slinging it. In fact, let's see Herbert through it thirty
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five times, Joe Burrow through it forty times, and both
had quarterback ratings decent. Let's see Herbert went twenty six
to thirty five, Burrow went twenty four of forty, and
in fairness to Burrow, I still contend that that's a
little bit of a rebuild. Cincinnati right now would be
a playoff team. Chargers have a better roster than Cincinnati.
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They do right now. Currently, Chargers probably gonna go out
and get a right tackle, an interior defensive lineman. But
that's a real playoff roster. Joe Burrows doing a lot
of pulling on this roster. They got some nice pieces,
but yesterday they couldn't run the football, so a lot
of it's Joe, you got to throw the ball forty times,
and that's since that's a tough ask. He also really
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hurt his hand. Yes, I mean what you're seeing with
both these guys, they're not quite refined, polish products. Burrows
had more injuries. They both make really bad throws, both
of them, but both have a short memory. You know,
they both come right back. I find them incredibly humbles
the wrong word, because they're both confident, but they're they're
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in question. They have a youthful confidence about them, that's
a good way to put it. They really believe in themselves, yes,
and a lot of people have doubted them. And they
just love to sit there and throw the football. No
dincin dunk here, there's no dincin dunk. These boys want
to throw it downtown and I just loved watching it
so much fun. Colin Wright, Colin wrong top. The next
(40:17):
hour plus the new Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman. How'd
you like to be thirty five years old? No coach
Notre Dame. That's a go getter. That's a one percenter
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Mario Crystal Ball is the new coach. Well, the Miami Hurricanes.
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So Miami and USC. This is something I've been saying
for years. College football It's okay if it's got ten
percent glamour, because ninety percent of its small town America.
Right for ten percent of college football to be Texas
a glamor program. Miami's glamour program. USC is a glamor program.
You can have both. It's okay. Don't be don't be
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scared Miami, Mario crystal Ball, great hire. Congratulations. I feel
like you spoke this into existence, calling you like LaVar
Ball speak some more things over my life. I told USC,
I said, please just swing big, Just swing. That's what
you have to do when you're USC and your Miami
and it's your pro sports markets, right like people are distracted.
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Don't hire some guy from Akron and think it's gonna
be big. All right. I want to start with the NFL.
So when Patrick Mahomes entered the league, people freaked out.
And not that I was a cynic, but even Mahomes's family.
I was told said, you know, Coward's the last guy
to join the party on Mahomes. And Patrick's a great kid,
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and I'm rooting for him, and he's got a Super
Bowl and he'll probably win another. But the media needs
a new story, and the media loves cool and new
because it's more fun to write about. So that left
handed passes and the side arm throws, and yeah, Tom
Brady doesn't do those, and either it is Justin Herbert,
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and right now, Justin Herbert's the best quarterback in that division,
not Patrick Malmes. Have you watched the last two months.
What's happening. I like Mahomes, but the media goes crazy.
A new and fun and exciting, and that's not what
wins tonight. The two best teams arguably in the AFC,
boring New England and Buffalo in a snowstorm will play
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and boring New England's the hottest team in the league.
And the Miami Dolphins and Washington playing great defense with
b minus quarterbacks, they're winning. What's not winning right now,
what's not blowing everybody away is Kansas City's offense. Great coach,
really good line, great weapons, and Patrick Mahomes is struggling.
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He is had one good game in two months. I
love him. He'll be fine, He'll figure it out. He's coachable,
he's a good kid. But when guys like me rolled
our eyes at the left handed passes, it's one pass
in a four hour game, or the side arms stuff
like he's lost his mechanics. He's broken right now now,
Thank god. The Kansas City defense is fantastic. Chris Jones
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is unblockable. They deserve all the credit. But Mahomes, for
the first time ever, no touchdown passes back to back
games in the last eight games. He's played poorly in
seven in the last five, four of the five he's
out of passer rating under seventy five. And by the way,
this is what the scouts believe it or not. Scouts
know more about this stuff than you and I did.
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This is what they said out of college. I'll read
you a quote from Lance Zerline. He's the one radio
host in America who I believe in when it comes
to scouting. He knows his stuff. He said on Mahomes
he doesn't have a very repeatable process as a passer.
What does that mean. That's the opposite of Brady. That's
why Brady just works on mechanics over and over. It's
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repeatable and repeatable. And Mahomes, everything looks different. He every
pass looks different. And now his mechanics are in the toilet.
And he's either broken and will need an offseason to
get it right, that's my guess, or he'll get it
right in the next two or three weeks. He's coachable,
he knows he's struggling, and Kansas said he'll be fine.
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But you know, just know going in that the media
falls for new, fun and flashy, and by the way,
we all do. It's fun like right, like new talent.
But if you look at right now, what's working in
quarterback play? Brady's gonna win the MVP now. Lamar Jackson's
more fun to watch, and mahomes is more fun to watch,
and Josh Allen's more fun to watch. I'm not. I'm not.
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I love watching Josh Allen way more than Mac Jones
to night. But uncool and repeatable and kind of boring.
It wins in this league. We all want a new
Georgia Alabama one. We all want a new AFC Titan.
New England's the hottest team we all want. This guy
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is an MVP. Brady's gonna win it. Mahomes at least.
This is why I think Mahomes will be fine. He's
not cocky, he's totally coachable, he's super talented, he's a
great kid. But he's got to go back to being
boring and the basics he's every path is he's just
his mechanics are in the toilet and he talked about
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it after. Obviously, we feel like we're not playing our
best football. We have spurts where really good and we
have spurts where we kind of have These these were
not scoring we're not finding ways to finish drives. So definitely,
as a competitor, you want to be better. But I
think you win football games. You win football games at
the end of the day. And so for us, if
we keep winning football games, defense keeps playing the way
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that they're playing, when the offense we really become who
we know we can be, will be a hard football
team to beat. But the problem is their identity. Their
core id nity is offense. They're not running the football now,
they're not passing it well. So when you go into
the playoffs, New England's got an identity. Miami and Washington
now may not even make the playoffs. They've got an identity. Okay,
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Buffalo's got an identity. So the problem right now with
Kansas City their core identity is big plays. So they're
not running the ball. But that never mattered when they
were a big play offense, and now they're not. Sixteen
points against Denver last night, in fact, and you read
at one point in the fourth quarter, fourth and two
kicked a field goal. The fans booed. That tells you
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right now they are not confident in the side of
the ball that we all thought was going to win
six Super bowls Boring's okay, two you can win being boring,
especially in December. All right, let me do you guys
here Mario Crystal Ball's coaching Miami. I'm sorry, Lincoln Riley
got the USC job. I'm just being obnoxious. Now, Okay,
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I want to talk about Steers Ravens. And so it
was a fantastic game. The late win was crazy. Baltimore
Pittsburgh was uneven. It was kind of messy, but I
found it fascinating. And there was a lot of criticism
in the end because Baltimore went for two and they've
got the world's best field goal kicker, and they are
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the better team. Baltimore is better than Pittsburgh. So if
you have the better team and you got the world's
best field goal kicker, then you should just kick the
extra point and got overtime. But but let me just
let me just add this while I'll defend Baltimore on that,
because when you build a business, and that's all football is,
it's just even college football. Now most of you are
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finally acknowledging what those of us who knew it years ago.
It's a business. Join And I've been saying this for years.
It's a business. Get over it. NFL and college are
the same business, just one you have to go to
class occasionally. But here's why I'll defend Baltimore. It's very
consistent with their business model. This is what they do.
This is what Baltimore does. The Chargers and the Ravens
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are goal for it on fourth down teams. Second part
of this, Big Ben was playing his butt off Deontae Johnson,
the wide receiver for the Steelers was uncoverable and the
Ravens were falling apart. And so the way to lose
locker rooms in the NFL is confusion and players start
questioning the coach. Nobody in that Baltimore locker room this
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morning is questioning John Harbaugh or Lamar Jackson. This is
their brand. The Dallas Cowboys, y'all get beside yourself because
Mike McCarthy field goal goal for it, field goal goal
for it, arn't show was criticizing the Cowboys because you
never know what they are. You always know what the
Ravens are. With Lamar Jackson and John Harbaugh, they're into
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analytics and they go for it. Football is a business,
and how you run your business. Here's what never happens
in Baltimore. They never lose a locker room. Good batter
and different. The Ravens never lose a locker room ever,
because they all know this is what we do. We're
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not passive, you know, like like like the UFC, the
UFC is data white, full of testosterone. For everything. They
pushed back, they yell, they screamed, They attack the media.
But that's their business model. If Dana White suddenly became
politically correct and oh, you know, we're not gonna do
that because the media is after us, everybody at UFC
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would be like, well, let's know your business model. Ravens
are aggressive. They always have been. They've always had a
great owner, they've always had a great front office. They
never lose the locker room. And they went for it. Yes,
yes they've got the world's best kicker, but that would
just get you to overtime on the road against the
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hot quarterback and unguardable Deonte Johnson. And as John Harbaugh said,
after we were running out of players, John Harbaugh after
try to win the game right there, We were totty
much out of corners, you know at that point in time,
So is an opportunity to try to win the game
right there. No, it did not. You know, they aggressively
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play analytics um and so you know from that standpoint
they're predictable. Yeah, but that's okay. You need to be
somewhat predictable inside your own business, inside the walls of
your locker room. You know. Dave Wanstat used to always say,
you can lose games. You can't lose a locker room.
You can't lose Chicago Dalton justin fields. It feels like
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they're losing the locker room, right like when the young
guys like that guy and the old guys like that guy,
forty nine ers are like, hey, Jimmy Garoppolo, that's who
we're starting this year. You don't lose the locker room.
And so I'll defend Baltimore. You can. And by the way,
you know everybody had the play worked and it was
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half a football from complete for touchdown. It was about
four or five inches mark Andrew's great tight end. This
is about four to five inches from winning the game.
None of you would have said a word, None of
you would have had the courage to go on Twitter
and say what a terrible decision. So I'm not going
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to give you the audience and the platform to bang
on him when it didn't work. It was completely true
to their core values as a franchise, win or lose.
All right, great to have you in. We got so
much going on today. Joey Taylor's herd line news today.
She may just do eight minutes three times of hurricane
football and she has got my okay on that. Very exciting,
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very exciting stuff. It is. It's I've said before, it's football.
We It's okay to have ann Arbor and Norman, Oklahoma,
and Stillwater in Pullman, Washington, and Athens, Georgia. Awesome. But
it's okay to have Miami in La matter too. It's
good for the sport. Usc Texas got a twenty two
and a half rating that beats NFL playoff games. The
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country told you we like some glamor two. Nothing wrong
with mashed potatoes. There's nothing wrong with you know, United
pork Shop. Occasionally you gotta have some caviar some time,
a little just a little bit that you don't have
a plate of caviar. He just have a little appetizer.
It's okay, a little dessert, a little caviar, can't wait.
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Dame's new coach, Marcus Freeman, next hour, Colin right, Colin wrong,
forty five minutes from now. So you know, it's interesting
and I think we've we've talked about this before that
I like my quarterbacks in twenty twenty one to have
some ability to be mobile. If you look at what
the way the rule changes are. I like my quarterbacks
to have some wiggle. When Russell Wilson broke into this
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league seven or eight years ago, I'm like, this is
he's unique. He's an outlier. Well now he doesn't necessarily
feel like an outlier, right, Like a lot of guys move,
but it's interesting to note this. Jalen Hurts moves around
a lot. He's hurt. Lamar Jackson moves around a lot.
He's regressed. Kyler Murray runs around a lot. He's not
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at one hundred percent second Yearni was hurt, justin fields,
very athletic hurt. You know who's not Tom Brady, who
should be the MVP. Number one in touchdown passes, number
one in passing yards, number one, he averages. Only quarterback
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to average over three hundred yards a game, only team
to average over thirty points. Is that. I like my
quarterbacks to be able to move. And Brady's so good
at the line of scrimmage. He moves very well inside
the pocket. But but he doesn't. And that's okay. But
I hope we're all paying attention to all the guys
moving are hurt or regressing. Mahomes a little bit of
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a mover, regressing Lamar, regressing, Jalen Hurt's hurt, justin fields hurt,
Kyler Murray hurt again, And so you know, let's let's
be honest too. December football is different. The longest winning
streak in this league right now are New England, Miami,
Washington in Kansas City, and the story with all of
them is defense. So December Football, the NFL added the game. Okay,
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that's another game. That's another ten or twelve hits on
the body. So you know, as much as we all
love a quarterback that can mean that can move. Brady
is the runaway MVP. Kyler Murray Hattie stayed Healthy would
have won my vote. But you start looking around right
now and it's okay if the quarterback moves. But Bryce
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Young for Alabama is a thrower. Tom Brady is a thrower.
Justin Herbert Healthy is a thrower. And the defenses now
and the pocket quarterbacks are once again in December making
their presence felt. Here was Gronk after Tampa's big win
over Atlanta. I mean, we can we go way back
back in the heyday with that connection. I mean we've
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been working on that since you know, twenty ten together
and it definitely, you know, paid off there. And Uh,
I would say that second touchdown definitely brought it back
to the heyday with the fade, he gave me an
audible and uh, I wasn't supposed to have a fade,
but he saw it, and uh just reminds me of
the heydays with us. Uh. You know, it's interesting. Gronk
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there almost gave you the signal. Do you see that
He put his hand up, he audibled me, and then
he pulled his hand down. Because Tom has some physical
queue and Gronk almost gave it away there. But it
is interesting. If you look at December, weather is colder,
late summer football, September does not look like December. It's
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why I said about the Cowboys on Thursday. They won
by ten on the road against the really good defense.
That's okay, don't get too picky. I don't care who
you play. Your quarterback's healthy. You're playing good defense. Miami
right now. Two is healthy playing good defense. Quarterbacks healthy,
you're playing defense. You're running the football a little. You
(16:29):
feel like now you may not, you may be in artistic.
It's not pretty, but you feel like a playoff team
to me. Joy with the news. No, no turn on
the news. This is the herd line news. It's all
about it all today. You're going to be obnoxious right now.
You have a right to be obnoxious South you Colin Uh.
(16:51):
I've had some I've had some sauces on this. I've
been following this very closely as obviously I have deep
connections in Miami and no lots of Canes ends and
some deep into Kane's Twitter as well. But until until
many Das was gone, I was not celebrating, like no
point in getting my hopes up about this until they
(17:11):
let go of Many Daz, because that's that's what the
story was the entire time. They're not gonna let Many
go until they have it in writing number. All that
stuff we were talking about promises last week in integrity
and all that sounds great. Let me see the paperwork
with the signature and your contact signature on it before
we celebrate. By the way, the story came out Crystal
(17:32):
Ball in Miami. He'd been working on this since early November. Yeah, folks,
get over your integrity stuff. The bottom line, this is
why you have agents. Crystal Ball's like he tells his
agent in early November. Yes, I'm interested. It's my home,
my family would prefer to live there. I'm not going
to talk about it. I want deniability. You go work
(17:54):
on it, and then the agent this is what happens,
goes and works on it for a month, and then
Crystal Ball can pay attention to football. He and the
agent talk every four or five days, and the agent
says blah blah blah blah blah. But it allows the
coach to do what he does. But all you integrity
pushers stop it already, by the way. Oklahoma got their guy,
Miami got their guy, USC got their guy, Notre Dame
(18:15):
got their guy. Some got high profile head coaches USC,
some got or Crystal Ball, some got really really talented coordinators. Oklahoma,
everybody got. Some got a guy within their program, Notre Dame.
I think they all did very, very well, and there
were a lot of different paths to get your guy.
But you gotta stop, folks. College football is a business,
(18:36):
and these big brands like Notre Dame, Miami, USC, they're
gonna get their guy, and they're gonna call your coach
in the middle of a season if they want him,
and you got to come to terms with it. Yeah,
and I think that this particular coaching carousel, if we
want to call it, that can pretty much puts the
rest the idea that nobody is ever going to leave
a program. Oh God, like that's over with. I did
(18:58):
not think this was gonna happen. I didn't think any
of these moves were going to happen. And they've all
seemed like they happened overnight, but they really didn't because
it's a business. And guess what, that's how all deals
are done. They're never done overnight. You got to have
lawyers look stuff over. You got to negotiate. These things
don't happen within a couple of hours. But the reason
why this one has dragged out a bit longer is
because Mario wanted to tell the players himself. He didn't
(19:21):
wanted to be out in the media. Although all you know,
things do leak because there's conversations being had for a
long amount of time, but he wanted to tell the
players in person and have that conversation. Well, Miami is
fired head coach Manidia, so now we know that they
are moving forward with Mario crystball because they were holding
on to Manny this whole time. He was with the
Canes for three seasons twenty one and fifteen. Record finished
second in the ACC behind Pitt this year. He's not
(19:43):
didn't do a terrible job, but there are certain standards
at the University of Miami. There's expectations at the University
of Miami, similar to USC and these other major schools,
that they want to win. By the way, all the
coaches hired are known as good recruiters. Many DA has
not known as a great recruiter. That's what this sport is.
Thanks what the sport is the NFL is a business
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and college football is a business. They are, however, different
businesses because how you acquire talents and keep that talents
is different. Well, in the NFL, the team selects the player.
In college, the player selects the team. You need a
salesman as a coach, and Crista Ball is a massive,
good looking, massive alpha presence he'll be. And that's what,
by the way, that's what Miami needs. A Miami guy
(20:27):
and like a Jimmy Johnson, that big presence, Howard Schnellenberger. Big,
Miami's a pro sports town. They're distracted. They got the beach.
Look at your hotel room, it's awqua water. They got
better stuff to do than watch average football. Schnellenberger, Jimmy
Johnson and Mario Crystal Ball. They walk into a room
and they take your breath away a little. They're like, WHOA. Well,
(20:48):
he's known for being a great recruiter. Yeah, everywhere he wins.
Now he has a thirty five and thirteen record at
his Organs. That's great coach. He got him to two
Pac twelve titles and one a Rose Bowl. But what's
unique about Mario is he's really a Miami guy. And
for the longest time that was the conversation around Miami.
The former players at the University of Miami have a
(21:10):
lot of say in influence. Obviously, the boosters are very influential.
The alumni, the high profile alumni in Miami are very influential.
Everybody wants a Miami guy like you gotta you gotta
be Miami. There's just certain places where he feels like
you've got to be authentic. That's why the Brian Kelly
thing is very interesting. I think he's a great enough
coach to overcome clearly not being a Louisiana guy, you
(21:31):
know what I mean, Like you have to fit that
culture there to all those points. He played there, He
won a national championship there, He played under Jimmy Johnson,
he coached there, like he grew up there. He went
to Christopher Columbus High School. He knows everything that's gonna
go on and around that program. Brothers big in law
enforcement in the town. Like this. This is a I mean,
Lincoln Riley is a good hire by USC, but he
(21:54):
has no connection to LA Right, this is a perfect
fit for Miami there. There couldn't be a better candidate.
I know that you know, Miami fans and alumni are
super happy about this, and so now let's just support
it and start working on that a new stadium for them,
because you gotta get the Canes playing somewhere. So the
Lions finally did it. Yeah, why did I care so much?
(22:19):
I saw your tweet. I was very I was very gripping.
I thought it was fantastic. I was nervous. So was
I because because Detroit's been in these last second situations
a couple of times this year, like five times, four times,
come on, like, just just get just do it. And
it was actually a great play. It wasn't like a
fluke thing. Jared Goff led the Lions on a seventy
(22:42):
five yard drive less than two minutes remaining, and they
got their first one of the season on a last
second touchdown to Saint Brown. They beat the Vikings twenty nine,
twenty seven. Let's take listen to that final moment, victory
of the year. On the line, Goff's got it back,
looks gross and they didn't. I'm a ross safe Brown
(23:02):
and they receive again. Oh they're rusty the field. They've
done it. Three zeros of the clock. This game is over.
It's over. The local calls are always the best. Love,
there's no comparisons. It was just such a wonderful you know,
because it's funny. There's five bad teams in this league,
(23:24):
but the Lions don't feel hopeless. First of all, uh,
their tackle is excellent. Brown's the fourth round ride receiver excellent.
Their defensive line picks are playing like their draft picks
are playing. They have another great pick, and Goff is
going to be the quarterback if Golf has time to throw.
It's always been the thing with Yeah, Jared's Matt Ryan,
(23:45):
He's fine. You don't need to blow stuff up. Keep
golf for a couple of years, build the roster, and
Jared Goff has been able to get to the playoffs
if he has a little time to throw, play in
the Super Bowl. Yes, he's game. He has time a throat.
But that's everything's not always gonna be perfect in which
is the issue with Derek Goff. But all good things yesterday.
(24:05):
Congrats to the Lions. It was very exciting. I hate
seeing teams lose every game of the season. It's the
worst nobody wants that. Nobody wants bad teams in the NFL.
Despite what any of you fan bases think and it
always brings me back to that two thousand and seven
Miami team because they they finally beat the Ravens, and
I completely empathize with the Lions players the staff, Like
(24:27):
I cried, I sabbed, like like they won the Super Bowl.
Cleo Lemmon to Greg Camrio, I was I had snot bubbles.
I was so happy they didn't lose every game. So
congrats Lions. Now Kyler Murray is back and back like
he never left. Returned after missing three games to an
ankle sprain, didn't miss a beat, two touchdowns, ran for
(24:47):
two more thirty three twenty two win over the Bears.
One of his touchdown passes went to Gandre Hopkins, who
was also out three games with a hamstring injury. So
they become the first team to win to reach ten
wins this season, and they are in control of the NFC.
Is the one seed I really Green Bay in Arizona
just feel like a different level. AFC is all cloudy.
(25:08):
We'll find out some stuff tonight Monday Night Football. But boy,
when Kyler Murray is healthy and the Packers are semi healthy,
they just they feel better than everybody. But It's what's
so impressive about Arizona and the Packers is that when
they aren't healthy, they're still finding ways to win. Yeah,
they went two and one without Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopp.
That's a real thing. Aaron Rodgers is basically playing on
(25:28):
one foot and they're winning games. So that's what's really
impressive is that you're overcoming what everyone is dealing with
in the NFL in injuries and still able to get
big wins. So glad to have them back though they're
exciting to watch. Joy with the news. Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. Let's
bring in Mike Vick thirteen years, four time pro bowler,
Fox Analysts, brought to you by Mercedes Fans, the best
(25:49):
or Nothing. You know, it is interesting Kyler Murray runs,
but he's a little banged up, Mike. I would imagine
in your career you played often banged up and one
hundred percent and adrenaline probably got you through a lot
of starts. Right. Oh yeah, Kylin, ninety percent of my
career I played with some sort of injury, something lingering,
(26:12):
something that was reaggravated and just not feeling good. I
can't remember a time where or a season where I
was one hundred percent healthy, But you know that does
that kind of strengthens your focus. It helps you throughout
the course of a game to kind of keen in,
became hone in on certain things, and be very, very
(26:33):
distinct in your decision making. So you know why I
hated it. I kind of liked it because my focus
was on a totally different level than when I was
one hundred percent. I could tell you that for sure. Okay,
Lamar Jackson has regressed. My homes has regressed. Let's talk
about Patrick Mahomes. You know I said this earlier. One
of the knocks on him out of college was you ran,
(26:56):
you run around, but you had a very beautiful throwing motion.
So does Kyle Murray, so does Russell Wilson. But Mahomes, Mike,
when I watch him, he can go sidearm. He doesn't.
He doesn't have what they call a repeatable throwing motion.
He kind of just looks different and that when I
watch him, that's what I see is that he kind
(27:17):
of makes it up as he goes. That's what I feel,
and I feel he's sort of lost his way mechanically,
what do you see. Yeah, it's not like Aaron Rodgers
or Tom Brady, a repetitive throwing motion where it always
comes out the same, always looks the same, and you
know sometimes he's trying to find thrown lanes. But as
(27:39):
a quarterback, when you get into a rhythm of doing
certain things a certain way, sad and passes because you
do it in practice and then you know, you find
yourself doing it in the game just naturally. It's not
something that you really focus on. You try to correct,
but when it when it happens and it doesn't go well,
you kind of look at it and you start to
question it. So with a lot of side on passes,
(28:01):
you know Lamar does the same thing. You're gonna hit helmets,
You're gonna get balls battered because the ball is coming
out with a lord trajectory. Are you worried at all
about Lamar? I will defend Baltimore going for two because
they always are hyper aggressive. So I think I don't
think you lose a locker room going for two and failing.
I think players are okay with that. They don't want
to go to overtime either. Are you worried about Lamar
(28:24):
though his struggles. Yeah, I'm worried calling in a sense
because you know, as I look at you know, quarterbacks
and how we go through the course of a season,
I can only think about myself and then year four,
year five, you know, when I was taking a lot
of hits and doing a lot and being asked through
a lot. You know, it really wore me. But you know,
(28:46):
we feel that responsibility to just take on everything and well,
you know we'll run into a brick wafer our team.
And I know Lamar, that's his character, that's how he is.
But you know, as you go, you gotta progress. You
gotta progress into a passing you know, your longevity is
in you know, you're progressing the football down the field
in the passing fashion. So you know, gotta get some
(29:08):
things cleaned up. You know, can't can't run the ball
as much down the stretch as he's done in the
past because he's only getting old and it's more way
and tests. So they got to be real meticulous about
how to use the lama moving forward. By the way,
would you let me just ask you if you were
a quarterback in that situation, would you rather go for
two or kick a field goal, give me a break
(29:28):
and go to overtime. Now, it's a road game. If
you were a road quarterback, because there's no right answer
on this to me, what would you say to John Harbaugh? Yeah,
on the road, I want to go for two. I
want to get up out of there. And you know,
because our defense is gassed. And you know that as
a player, especially as a quarterback, because we keep eye
(29:49):
on our defense and what they're doing, how they performing.
You know, you know, they just came off the field.
They lost the time of possession battle throughout the third
and fourth quarter, and this was a chance to end
it and they had a opp ney to do it.
You know, the receiver was there, you know, the tight
end Mark Andrews was open. I think Lamar he had
another pass. He had to side and throw around a
guy unfortunately, but you know, Kylin, I can count on
(30:10):
my hand how many times I went for two throughout
the course of my career. And you know, I know
some games was probably decided by one or two, and
you know, just to have that opportunity, now, guys got
to appreciate it because it's gonna come up again. And
the more experience you get in that situation, the better
you're gonna be down the road. By the way, it
is December football, and Miami's playing well defense, Washington's playing
(30:32):
well defense, Tampa's playing well. They're running the football. Tell
my audience, I mean, Brady knows this drill. By the way,
now he's going to his tight end. They're running the football.
It's pretty obvious what they're doing. You tell me December football, September.
What's the difference. Well, I heard you said earlier. I
(30:53):
was watching the show. You know, it's about defense and
running the football, kind of controlling the clock, but more
so on a defensive side of the ball. And I
think defenses they get better because if you look at
the first couple of weeks of the season, you know,
everybody's kind of trying to guess, you know what other
teams are gonna do, you know what your opposition is
going to bring to the table. And then after you
(31:14):
know five or six weeks, you know you got it.
You got film, and teams are not going to get
away from what they do or things that's favorable for them.
And now you got to trend on defense that you
can follow. Now you can scheme around what these teams
are doing. Whether they're doing they're gonna do it against
you or versus opponents that they've played. They're not gonna
go too far away or stem too far away from
(31:36):
what they do best. So now you can scheme around that,
you can gain plan, and then you can you know,
you can go full steam ahead. So a lot of
these offenses they just get caught up with. And mainly
it's about the top defensive coordinators in the game or
top defensive minds in the game to build Beliitechs and
the Steve Spagnolers of the game who see things, recognize
it pointed out, and then send their guys to go
(31:57):
attack it. By the way you played it. Virginia Tech,
they fired their coach. They have a new coach. You
live in Fort Lauderdale, that's Hurricane Country. They fired their coach.
They have a new coach. You know I was saying, Mike,
is that coaches get Mike many Das has been sitting
out there for days hearing the school has been interviewing somebody,
and I'm like, that's why I don't have a problem
(32:18):
with coaches leaving, is these organizations will fire them in
the middle of their contract. They'll you know, leave them
hanging like Manny Daz And I'm not blaming Miami. That's
the reality of the game. What do you make of
the Miami hurricane situation? Cristal Ball many Das just sitting
there for a weekend. He doesn't know. I've always looked
at college football as a business. None of it hurts
(32:38):
my feelings. How do you view it? Well? I think
Kristal Ball would be a good fit. You know, he
has the resume. You know, he's had a lot of
success in the past. But it has to be nerve
backing for many Das to just be sitting and seeing
all these coaches get moving around the country, getting paid,
you know, millions of dollars and not knowing what you're
(33:00):
your host. But it's a good fit for Miami. Um,
you know, unfortunately I vie well, fortunately Viginia Tech. We
found our coach and maybe we would have gave Manny
a shot, but you know we got coach prior. We're
looking forward to that. But uh, you know, for Manny
did As, he'll land on his feet. You know, he'll
he'll land somewhere where he can go be successful, learn
from his mistakes and get it ready. To do it
(33:21):
all over again. But you know, as college coaches, you
know the most important thing. You gotta be able to
do his recruit and you gotta have a name, and
you gotta have some privates around you so that you
can be successful in your states. So you know, those
are key things that I think Manny got to focus on.
But he'll definitely land on his feet. Good stuff, Michael
Vick Good Senie is always Bud. Appreciate you stopping by
(33:42):
Mike vic Fox Sports. You know it, Listen, the reality
is is Howard Stern was fired. Uh. I mean you
go look at Mark Cuban, You look at all these
great American success stories. There's been bankruptcies, there's been firing.
If you're good, you'll get hired. Man, woman, young, old,
you're talented, you'll land back on your feet because there's
(34:03):
basically in every single industry there's about one to two
percent difference makers, and everybody's looking for a difference maker,
so many dz. If he can really coach, he'll be fine.
But all you guys are belly ache in the last
week about integrity. Well, y'all got a good coach, and
in the end, the Oklahoma's the USC's the Miami's the
(34:27):
Notre Dame. You hired somebody that you consider a one percenter,
and you had to pull him away from here and
pull him away from there, and the timing's never great.
But the NCAA has these early signing period so schools
are backed up against that. When they fire a coach,
they got to get a guy in in twenty four
hours so he can build a staff and recruit. But
(34:47):
in the end, every school that just hired a coach
thinks he's a one to two percenter. Half will be right,
half will be wrong. But I'm never bothered by the
process to get him because I've always understood, and I
think most of you had. It's a business. By the way,
tenure professors is a business. You want to get your tenure.
(35:08):
Everybody wants to get their tenures so they can get
that pension for the rest of their life. It's all
college campuses. They recruit. The fundraising is a business. The
recruiting is a business, the sports is a business. The
ranking of universities, it's a business. Everything's a business on
these college campuses. Everything from fundraising to football, to the
(35:30):
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your podcast from. Oh, it's such a great time of
the year. I am. You know, I grew up in
a small town, so I have a soft spot for
people that grew up in small towns. Because Joy grew
up in like Pittsburgh and then moved to Miami. She's
a big city girl. She's intimidating. I grew up in
a small town, so when you grew up in a
(36:38):
small town, you have to leave it if you have dreams.
And Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert grew up in small towns,
and Justin Burrow's route was I had to Ohio State,
and they had transfer and didn't have a very good
first year, and they had an amazing second year. And
then Justin Herbert grew up right next to the University
of Oregon, small town, right down the street eat and
(37:00):
that's the school he wanted to go to. And he
played and went't talk much about Justin Herbert, and nobody
believed in him. I had so much fun yesterday. These
guys are so kidnext door quality. I had so much
fun watching this game. They're really old school quarterbacks, they
really aren't. They love to throw it from the pocket.
They're from small towns. Yesterday Herbert got the better of
Joe Burrow. They're both gonna have wonderful careers. They both
(37:24):
would prefer to throw it from the pocket, but they
like to sling it. They like to sit back there
and air it out. They both take big risks. Neither's
afraid to go deep, neither is afraid to throw it
up for grabs. And yesterday the Chargers won all the
jump balls, but there's a soft spot for here. And
you know, these are just these are great stories that
Joe Burrow had to transfer to get to the NFL.
(37:46):
Everybody had questions about Justin Herbert, and I'm sitting there
and watching these two. Herbert six five and a half,
huge arm, a little more mechanical than Joe Burrow, who's
got a little tony romo qualit. He runs around, a
little bit of a gamer, a little bit of a playmaker.
But boy, the AFC tonight you'll see Josh Allen and
(38:07):
Mac Jones, and we know there's Lamar Jackson and Mahomes.
They've regressed a little bit, they'll be fine, But you
start looking at that AFC. The NFC's got a lot
of older quarterbacks, right Like, yeah, a lot of old guys.
But I'm telling you, I sat here and watched this thing,
and I'm like, if they play for the next ten years,
those guys are going to be in so many great
shootouts and so many big games. And they both had
(38:28):
completely different routes, but they're both small town kids who had,
you know, really good support systems. Eventually and found their
way to the NFL. But it was, it really was
it had a real old school quality, just guys dropping back,
slinging it. In fact, let's see Herbert through it thirty
(38:50):
five times, Joe Burrow through it forty times, and both
had quarterback ratings decent. Let's see Herbert went twenty six
to thirty five, Burrow went twenty four of forty, and
in fairness to Burrow, I still contend that that's a
little bit of a rebuild. Cincinnati right now would be
a playoff team. Chargers have a better roster than Cincinnati.
(39:11):
They do right now. Currently, Chargers probably gonna go out
and get a right tackle, an interior defensive lineman. But
that's a real playoff roster. Joe Burrows doing a lot
of pulling on this roster. They got some nice pieces,
but yesterday they couldn't run the football, so a lot
of it's Joe, you got to throw the ball forty times,
and that's since that's a tough ask. He also really
(39:32):
hurt his hand. Yes, I mean what you're seeing with
both these guys, they're not quite refined, polish products. Burrows
had more injuries. They both make really bad throws, both
of them, but both have a short memory. You know,
they both come right back. I find them incredibly humbles
the wrong word, because they're both confident, but they're they're
(39:54):
in question. They have a youthful confidence about them, that's
a good way to put it. They really believe in themselves, yes,
and a lot of people have doubted them. And they
just love to sit there and throw the football. No
dincin dunk here, there's no dincin dunk. These boys want
to throw it downtown and I just loved watching it
so much fun. Colin Wright, Colin wrong top. The next
(40:17):
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