March 20, 2024 • 41 mins
In this hour of The Herd, Colin wants us to hold off on comparing Minnesota's Anthony Edwards to legendary Bull Michael Jordan after Edwards' viral slam dunk. Also, Colin has some thoughts on The Dynasty (book) vs. The Dynasty (television series) that centers on the New England Patriots' two decades of NFL domination. Plus, Colin wants you to "find out where the chef eats" in the NFL. Finally, Heisman trophy-winning quarterback and FOX Sports football analyst Matt Leinart stops by (live from USC Pro Day) to opine on USC quarterback Caleb Williams, Michigan quarterback J.J. McCarthy, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go. It is a Wednesday. We are
live in Los Angeles. It's the Hurt wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. Finally got a good night's sleep,
raring to go. So yesterday on the show, a little
craziness happened and I slept on it. Anthony Edwards had
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a dunk against Utah. Everybody went crazy. Everybody's talking about
the next Michael Jordan. Comparisons comes to MJ and I
slept on it, j Mac and I am here to
defend MJ.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hold on, hold on, I thought I told you to
stay off Twitter. Don't forget about what those clowns are
saying about Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
All right, so well, I want to start here. First
of all, Anthony Edwards, Minnesota terrific player, highly UH vertical,
UH dunk machine had a big dunk over the weekend,
and all of a sudden, everybody's like MJ, MJ, MJ.
Chris Bruce Sard actually Big Jay Journalism reached out to
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Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
He's not going to ever be in the goat conversation.
As great as he will be, He's not gonna be
in the goat conversation. But stylistically, well, I reached out
to the goat today Michael Jordan, and Jordan said there
are similarities in their games. He agreed, so Jordan said,
there's similarities, their similarities.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I love Brew. I've seen a lot of jump man
in my life. There has been only one jump man, MJ.
Michael Jordan had what ninety nine percent of great dunkers
don't have. Grace like he was born to fly. He
hung in the air, he was smooth, he was fluid.
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And America doesn't fall in love with dunkers. They absolutely
fell in love with Michael. Michael made you feel a
certain way. The way he smiled, the way he walked,
the swagger, the confidence, the way he dressed. He was forceful, powerful, graceful,
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He was cool. Anthony Edwards Zion, Blake Griffin, Dominique, Wilkins.
It's a lot of verticality and power, but there's not
a lot of layers to it. It's like comparing The
Rock and Christian Bale as actors. They're both successful and rich.
One is an artist, and that's Michael. There's a reason
America fell in love with him. His greatest moments usually
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came in the biggest spots, as if he had so
much more in the tank but was saving the big
stuff for us. That's the way Michael did it. In baseball,
there's nobody close, although Jeter had some of the same similarities,
and so did Brady. Michael Jordan's not about just six
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for six. It's the commercials. It's the shoes. In fact,
when Ben Affleck and Matt Damon made the Air movie,
they didn't even try to find a Michael. They rarely
showed the back of him in the movie. You could
create a Sonny Vacero, you could create a Phil Knight.
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Michael is one of one the commercials, the smile, the grace.
Nothing against Zion, Dominique, lot of power, but Michael Jordan's
the coolest guy in a room. If he didn't play basketball.
The other cat aren't the coolest guy in the room
among great basketball players. There are ten year old kids
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in America today that never saw Michael play, and they
will wait in line for hours to wear his shoes.
Football teams wear his shoes. He starred in an age
of pre social media, so there was mystery and mystique
to Michael. The stories about him are like Greek mythology.
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They're fables. When does the truth begin or end? Guys
now put their lunch on X and IG. Nobody cares.
Michael didn't give us everything. He kept a lot to himself,
a lot of his struggles. There were moments he got
emotional and asked the camera to stop during the documentary.
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He didn't want us to see him at his weakest spot.
People used to be like that. Politicians, presidents, and Michael
Jordan the Edwards is terrific, a fun player, but the
discussions or comps to Michael Jordan will begin when the
college football national champions are wearing his logo. Never be
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another Michael. Basketball players are entertainers. Michael was a million
things beyond that. So the documentary The Dynasty is over,
and great sports documentaries and this was a great. One
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have three things hype before you see it, the discussion
while you're watching it, and the deconstruction of it, and
criticism when it ends. So as the Dynasty ends, former
Patriots now Rodney Harrison, Devin mccordy happy, how Belichick and
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the Dynasty was portrayed.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
It didn't tell the stories like of me come in
and Corey Dillon and you know, it was just it
was centered around some things that I wasn't really feeling,
and I just stopped watching.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
I interviewed for five or six hours. I was in
New York, and all they had me saying was bomb.
I felt like I got kind of duked because I
was just like you. I did like four or five
hours in New York, and then I did another like
two or three hours in Massachusetts, and I was like, man,
this is gonna be great. Like the storyteller, we're talking
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about this, and we're talking about that everything that we
all gave to the twenty years that it encompassed, they
only hit anything that was negative.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Read the book by Jeff Benedict. The Dynasty books go deeper.
Read them. Documentaries have limited There's a lot of stories
in the MJ doc that weren't told. Scottie Pippen wasn't happy.
Maybe Isaiah's not happy, Gary Payton, if everybody's happy. After
a doc it disappears into the ether like ninety eight
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percent of documentaries, but the great ones are talked about
before it, during it, and deconstructed after. Just think about
what this dynasty was, twenty years of a sports empire.
Say it out loud. You had two gates spy and deflate.
You had a tight end that apparently was a serial killer.
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You had a six round quarterback becoming the greatest player
in the history of the sport. You had a top
defender for years not being allowed to play in a
Super Bowl. And to this day, nobody knows why Brady
lost a super Bowl. In the game he played his
very best Philadelphia. He won a Super Bowl in which
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he played his worst super Bowl the Rams. He won
super Bowls close and then lost once because of ball
stuck to David Tyree's helmet. The owner and the head coach,
we found out during the book and the dynasty, by
about year four and five didn't really care for each other.
And oh yeah, it ended with a thud. Brady left
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won big and Belichick crumbled when you add the pressure
and the popularity. The NFL is America's number one TV show,
and there is no number two. Winston Churchill had a
great line and you can apply it here. History is
written by the victors. Brady won the divorce, Robert Kraft
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got the house. This is their story, not bills. And
the deconstruction of documentaries is what happened when they matter,
and this one does. And again, read the book The Dynasty.
Jeff Benedict goes much deeper on a variety of topics.
I know, I know, you're not supposed to say, like
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the book better than the movie, but sometimes, like the firm.
It's true, all right, j Mac, I will not have
Michael Jordan's slandered on national cable television.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Oh my gosh, I mean, what guy played like what
thirty years ago? I forgot about the Wizard's failure at
the end of his career. Oh geez.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Marlon Brando had a couple of bad stinkers, is it takeaway?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Well, I mean did nothing for the first six years
of his career except put up a lot of points
in losing the playoffs. So we don't talk about that,
only talk about six and zero, Like, come.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
On, he did lose to the Pistons dynasty and the
Celtics dynasty. He had to misfortunate and when.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Those dynasties crumbled and nothing was left, that's when he
took over Expansion era nineties. Like, I get it, he
was amazing, But I do love how rich is that?
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Brussard?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Hey, what about Anthony Edwards?
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Did you see it?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Gosh that your jump over John Collins the world stops?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That was not that was a murder. I mean they
put crime scene tape around the paint for the rest
of the game.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I don't know if you saw it. I love how
you've reduced Michael Jordan's greatness to the Expansion era nineties.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well it was, I mean, you could find the quote,
but the Hayes giography is just a bit much. It's like,
do we forget when he came back from baseball he
was locked up by Donald Royal of the Orlando Magic
and they lost that series. But then it's like, oh,
Jordan only played twenty five games, it doesn't count.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Like it's just a.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Bit much, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Well, sounds like the wife is wearing you doubt and like, hey,
can you do this?
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Can you do that.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's like, can you back? Can I have him in it?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Can I breathe? Can I just chill out? That appears
to be an interesting bridge. You'll probably pay for that
when you get home. Yeah, Hey, Donald Royle never got
the respect he saw Richard deserved.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Hey, those nineties Magic were nice.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Heynny Matt Liner showing up this hour USC Pro Day,
Caleb Williams throwing.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Hey, by the way, Matt Liner, it is my buddy.
He works out at my gym. You know, he just
got double hip replacement, both of his hips replaced. Tried
to get him to hoop with us, and he's just like,
I'm on the shelf for a minute.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well, he's at pro Day today, Caleb Williams the number
one pick. You know, it wasn't long ago we didn't
think Chicago was a good landing spot. But as we
talked about to lead yesterday's show, new information, Chicago's got
a new back, a new tight end, a star wide receiver.
Very interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yesterday we were the Chicago Bears show. Today were the
USC You got the pop pops over there?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Hey, Lo, Michael Day. I've said before Lebron does more
things great than Michael, but Lebron doesn't have the cool
factor and doesn't make me feel something.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Doesn't have the cool face.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well, I don't think. I don't think Michael. I think
there's players that have it, like Steph Curry's got some
of a cool factor of the way he shakes and moves.
Lebron's just great. Michael made you feel a certain way.
Lebron doesn't make me feel anything. I'm just in awe
of his talent, his greatness, and his longevity. I can
look at him and go what. I can look at
some things and go, what a business? What a movie?
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But not all movies, even great ones, make me feel something.
The great movies, literally you sit in the theater and
you talk about it. Oppenheimer is a movie. I sat
in the theater for ten minutes and thought about what
it means in society. That's a real movie. A lot
of movies are just fun and entertaining, even great movies.
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I've gone to movies and I'm like, that's a great
I watched Another movie that made me sit in the
theater was Platoon William Dafoe, Charlie Sheen. That movie made
me sit in the theater and think a lot about family,
and friendship in life and sacrifice. Not all great movies
make you think. Not all great athletes make me feel something. Michael,
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more than any any did Top Gun two with tomoers
All Top Guns make me feel. I WoT the theater.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I was like on class. That was amazing, you know,
telling everybody like silly, texting my family members, You've gotta
see this. That's how I feel about Lebron.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Though I think Lebron, You're not there, huh. I'm just
he's great. He doesn't make me feel anything. You were
of his town.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You were in your feelings in your twenties and thirties, No,
I was.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I was. I was into a lot of things. Feelings
wasn't one of them. Six success is more than a
desk that I had to stop you in your tracks
on that wall. It was not into my feelings in
my twenties. It took a lot of therapy to get there.
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Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yee. There is a term out there used in the
culinary business. Find out where the chef eats. They know,
they know the good places. Many of you believe I
have the Minnesota Vikings as a top ten team and
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the surprise team in the NFL next year because Sam
Donald is their quarterback. That's not entirely it. It's a
small part of it. Minnesota's got I think the smartest
young coach in football that you don't talk about, Kevin O'Connell,
the best receiver, and Justin Jefferson a top two or
three left tackle, running back, tight end, O line, number
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two receiver, number three receiver. They are completely stacked. And yes,
I do believe Sam Donald can win games and find
a way, if healthy, to engineer a possible wild card spot.
Find out where the chef eats. What do I mean
by that? Sean McVay loved Matt Stafford. Fans were cool
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on him because he was seventy four ninety and one.
He was a losing quarterback. Sean McVay really liked Baker Mayfield.
A year and a half later, he signed a massive contract.
McVeigh knows where the good ones are. Kevin O'Connell, Sean McVay,
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Kyle Shanahan all really really like Kirk Cousins. Raheem Morris
gets the Atlanta job, leans on his offensive friends, and
gets Kirk Cousins because Raheem knows they know. Find out
where the chef eats. Brian Flores is a defensive coach.
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He couldn't stand to a Mike mca daniels, an offensive coach.
He really liked him to well. Last year led the
NFL in passing yards. Flores didn't think he could play.
I'm not interested really in Pete Carroll, Sean McDermott, Brian Flores,
Mike Tomlin's insight on o line or quarterback play. They
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know the other side. Belichick doesn't know offense. Battled with
Brady when it comes to quarterback play. Sam Darnald, Shanahan
likes him, Kevin O'Connell likes him, and a lot of
smart people I know in the league on the offensive side.
I didn't say love him like Sam Darnold. They feel
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the same way they did about Baker Mayfield. You're not
gonna pay him massive, game changing five year franchise Patrick
Mahomes money, not Lamar Jackson money, not Matt Stafford money.
But Donald can play. According to the people who know offense,
find out where the chef's eat. I try to get
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my information from people who are experts and have access
to the right side of any industry. And the guys
that I trust, the mcveigh's, the shanahan, the Kevin O'Connell's.
They like Sam, don't love him. Releases a bit slow,
can at times as a high school linebacker, be a
tad reckless, but they like him, and that's why I
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like Minnesota because I like Sam, I love the coach,
the receiver, they'll left tackle, they're running back the O line,
they tight end the number two receiver. And I like
still Sam Darnold. Never forget McVeigh loves Stafford. You guys
all banged on him. He was seventy four to ninety one.
Guy doesn't win games. I'm gonna go with Sean over
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reddit board guy Jmack with the news. No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
This is the herd line.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
News creddit board guy. Do we have like a pro
while of what reddit board guy looks like?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I don't. I think we all have a picture in
our head what he looks like down at the very
bottom of the house of his parents. Oh, we're going to.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
The basement now, No, all the digs, All right, let's
start with the Cowboys. You know, remember they made the
off seas or not the off Yeah, the off season
claim that they'd be all in this season, hoping to
get back to the Super Bowl for the first time
since the ice Age, But they've been very quiet during
free agency. Stephen Jones says the organization is not frustrated
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by the lack of signings, referencing the quality of their
drafting and keeping all those players in house. Adding I
also look at player acquisition being three hundred and sixty
five days a year. It's not just the first or
second day of free agency.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
That is true. But the reason they couldn't acquire players
they probably wanted to is because of Dak's contract, which
I was talking to somebody this morning. It will be
high fifties potentially, and to extend it could be starting
with a six. You can say all you want about this.
I love the quote player acquisition. It's three hundred and
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sixty five days a year. Dallas would have loved to
have picked up a couple of pieces. They can't afford
you then a cap space.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
So are you on board with this?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Like, okay, No, I would not. I would not sign
Dak Prescott me to a contract where the number starts
with a five. I'd be reluctant. In the high fours.
I would draft a quarterback. Everybody freaked out in Dallas
when they got Trey Lance for a four. I would
draft a quarterback. If bo Nix is available in the
second round, I'd draft a quarterback. This team won with
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Cooper Rush. Draft a quarterback. You are out of the
Super Bowl discussion. If your quarterback is good, Kirk cousins Dak,
and the number starts with a five or potentially a six,
and I think Dallas knows that. But Jerry's up in
the eighties now getting close to it, and he doesn't
want the chaos of missing on a quarterback. But I
would start drafting quarterbacks like second, late first, Green Bay.
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He has done it now, back to back times, drafting
a quarterback in the first round when they have a star.
It's worked out for him, hasn't it. Joe Flacco was
still playing Baltimore. Late first gets a quarterback, I'm Dallas
late first, and Pennix or bow Nicks is there, I'm
drafting them. I'm sorry if it offends Dak.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
So I'm looking at spot track and there's a potential
out now, but obviously there's too much of a dead
cap hit.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
They won't do that.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
You're telling me, Dak. Goodin's to the table with Jerry,
and Jerry says, sorry, we're not extending you.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I'm not starting the contract with the letter number five.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Fair enough, I would agree with you. But if Dak
says sorry, I'm not doing that, I'm not signing an.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Exit, and I draft quarterbacks for the next three years,
and one of them is gonna hit and I'm gonna
draft him fairly high. That's what I'm doing. That's what
I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
What I said yesterday, The Dak finished third in MVP vote,
and he's not the reason they got curb stomped by
the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
He did not play well.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Great, but he's not the reason they lost.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Jordan Love looked like the significantly more athletic, nimble, twitch,
accurate quarterback in that defense. Allegedly green Bay's defense eight
deck up green.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Bay, Man, what's twenty seven nothing?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I think that's a twenty seven nothing at home to
the youngest team in the playoffs since the nineteen seventy
Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Who's that on?
Speaker 9 (21:16):
Is that on?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Dakord McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Dak did not play well, Dak was not great.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But I'm telling you McCarthy came in there with an
idiotic game play.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Okay, okay, crap. When the first number is five and
you're hosting the youngest team since the seventy Bills, you
have to be great at home.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
So Cooper Rush, that's you. I know you are. I
love cups four and two years ago sample size. Okay,
let's get to the next story to your I think
he's your favorite player in the NBA, right, Jason Tatums.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I am seeing him Saturday in Chicago, and I am
taking a notepad and a ballpoint pen. I will be
taking notes on his late game efficiency.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But you're going back to Chicago.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I'm going to watch the Bulls Celtics. I'm doing some
pre play off work.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I'll have a yellow notepad and I will be after
the game asking hard hitting, probing questions.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Okay, well, we're excited for that. So I guess maybe
your criticism of Tatum has sparked Lebron James to chime
in on how elite Tatum already is. Lebron has a
new podcast, Venture Mined the Game with JJ Reddick. Here's
what they had to say about that.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
He's twenty five years old and I believe he's been
to the conference finals four times, been to the obviously
the NBA Finals once he's twenty five. I didn't, I mean,
I didn't win my first one until I was twenty eight.
I think Joker won his first one at twenty seven.
I think MJ was twenty eight as well. You know,
we have a lot of expectations on JT. But he's
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experienced a lot of winning in his career so far,
and obviously, you know everyone wants to see him get
over the hump. But four conference finals in a finals
appearance before the age of twenty six is selite.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I don't disagree with any of that, and Jason Tatum
is elite. Guys like you because this is good for
your brand. You like to marginalize me as not liking
Jason Tatum. I've said first team All Pro doesn't bother me.
Best domestic player in their prime in the world, in America,
in the NBA, absolutely no question our best domestic player
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in his prime. Staft's not in his prime. Lebron's not
in his prime. I don't think eighty quite is. I
do have concerns based on data which leans toward me,
which is late game big spots. He's very hit and miss,
and sometimes it's as if Jalen Brown's more aggressive than
Jason Tatum, and Tatum's more talented. Again, that's why I'm
going to Chicago with a notepad to get the insight on.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You're not gonna need much of a notepad. They're gonna
beat the Bulls by thirty.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Again.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I mean I can rattle it off, chapter and verse
in what he's done in the playoffs, which is more
important than regular season late game nonsense, where he torched
torched people in game seven, went to Milwaukee in Game
six and dropped like forty six on Giannis's head. I'm
telling you the guy's pluck. You could you could go
in your regular season sample size all you want.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But just just let it be known that I think
he's very, very good. I think we've I think Lebron's
point is true and honest, that we forget that players
are playing longer now they take care of their bodies.
He is in chapter two of a nine to eight
to nine chapter book. He's he's not even to the
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halfway point yet. That's very fair.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
By the way, you want a hot take, Jason Tatum
has already accomplished more in his NBA career than Michael
Jordan had at the same agent. That's not even like
a hot take. Honestly, go look at.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
You could go look.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Jordan was viewed the minute he entered the league grad well,
he was as the next great talent.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
He was obviously, But I'm just telling you Tatum, when
he's done this so far in his career extraordinary. I
can't wait for it. And I hate this because I
don't like Boston. I'm a New York guy.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I was born in New York. I respect Boston. I
lived out there for ten years in Connecticut. I like Boston.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I follow Simmons a Boston guy.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Of course he is, Yes, of course, a lot of
smart people. Dana White, we like he's a Boston guy.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I don't know, Dan Well.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I'm just saying Boston has a lot of excellent academic
centers and smart sports fans, and I like their teams.
And I'm not criticizing Tatum. I'm saying, can we contextualize
there are some late game For the record, this was
a knock on Lebron early in his career.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
He was it.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
He kind of shied away from the shot. If you
go back to early Lebron, I always defended Lebron because
he was such a great ball handler and passer. I'm like,
he gets you the best shot, he just didn't have
to take it. Tatum's not the distributor that Lebron was.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
This is so fun, Honestly, This is the most fun
I've ever had in my career, just arguing with you
about Jason Tatum daily final story. Baseball is back, Dodgers
and Padres facing off. How up morning from South Korea?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Want to know?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Shoyo Tani officially made his Dodger debut, recording his first
two hits, including an RBI single and a stolen base.
Stolen base is still happened in baseball?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I thought they were done well they do with show.
Hey Otani la.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
With the five to two victory in the Dodger data.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
They trailed late. That a big guy, I think eighth inning.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I got to give you props for waking up early
to watch.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Oh yeah, I was there, had the batting gloves on
at home, playing catch with myself. So Otani two hits,
Dodgers want to know now Padres sending out one of
their better pitchers in Game two.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
So oh wow, you're all over that. So so Dodgers
want to know. J Mack two and zero on college
basketball picks last night, we won't get.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
In Yeah, Virginia in fifty eight minutes without a bucket.
You fascinating.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I mean, how much time have you spent on the
tournament since the brackets came out Sunday.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I'm just telling you college basketball, between the one and
Done and the transfer portal, this has been a tough year.
There's not a single player. Perdue's got one guy that
won't be an NBA Star, second round pick, and yet.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
The next four days of offense, she's on the sports
calendar all year.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
No, it won't. You don't think the AFC NFC Championship.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
It's like three hours. This is four days of wall
to wall basketball.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's not great basketball. Virginia set the sport back thirty
nine years. Yesterday they sent the sport back one hundred years.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
If I want a bracket pool, you have to come
to one of my men's league games next season.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Oh god, there's not a chance. There's just the first
of all, there's no seting. Thankfully. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So you know, I was thinking about this yesterday. It's
really crazy. So Jerry Judy was a great BAMA receiver,
didn't do much in Denver. Cleveland paid him a contract
forty one million dollars guaranteed and almost sixty million dollars,
and I was thinking about what's the most powerful thing
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in the NFL. The most powerful thing in the NFL
is star quarterback Number two is Hope. That's why Cleveland
paid this. There's nothing about his production. He's never had
a thousand yard receiving that would give him almost sixty
million dollars. They're hoping that Kevin Stefanski and Deshaun Watson
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can somehow unlock Jerry Judy. He doesn't like blocking, he
drops a lot of passes, and if he's not the
number one receiver, he disappears. Yet there's hope that they
can unlock a player whose best highlights are from college.
A car loses half its value the second you drive
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it off the lot, and it's mostly the same with quarterbacks.
Jaden Daniels now could fetch Bryce Young fetched couple of
first couple of seconds. DJ Moore, you couldn't get a
toasted bagel for him. Now. Hope not only springs eternal
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after the mahomes Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson's it's the most
powerful thing in this league. Jerry Judy has almost been
a bust. Trey Lance went for three first round picks
two weeks into practice. The Niners wouldn't have given up
a third again. Bryce Young. So Jerry Judy since he's
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been in the NFL is eightieth in touchdown casters, eightieth.
He's forty eighth in catches and forty eighth in receiving
yards per game, and he got forty one million guaranteed.
His Bama tape is better than his Denver tape. Sean
Payton knows offense, no thank you, so I hope it works.
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I'm not a fan. He's inconsistent, disappears for half game stretches.
I'm more of a Cortland Sutton guy. I do think Cleveland.
I think Jerry Judy with Amari Cooper. There's something there.
The tight end, the the one I love the coach.
The quarterback's weird, but it is. It is really remarkable,
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the power of hope in this league. These quarterbacks. You
can get multiple firsts for almost all these college quarterbacks.
By the time they play their first NFL game, you
can't get half of what you surrendered to get them.
Mark Schlareth, by the way, right after Jerry Judy was
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traded to Cleveland.
Speaker 10 (30:31):
I've been telling you for the last two years, what
a bus Jerry Judy is the wide receiver position. You know,
I got this from you guys all the time.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
But he's so quick in and out of breaks. He's
a great route runner.
Speaker 10 (30:41):
Yeah, he's open after the quarterback has already gone through
the progression. And as far as a football player, he's
just not a great football player. Doesn't run secondary routes
well to attract coverage drops the football doesn't block. Good riddance, listen,
that's not the kind of player you need here in
Denver to rebuild this thing.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Forty one million guaranteed, potentially up to fifty eight. Yeah,
I'm not rooting against him. I think Cleveland's really good.
I like a lot about Cleveland, but it is fascinating
the power of hope.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
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Speaker 1 (31:15):
So it is interesting to watch pre draft quarterbacks go up, surge,
go down. Bow Nix now is viewed by many as
a second round quarterback. He has sixty one college starts.
So if NFL people think he's a second round pick,
they've seen everything they can see on film and there's
something there that doesn't blow them away. Maybe He's more
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of a low ceiling, high floor guy. Michael Pennix has
now snuck back into the middle of the first round.
Caleb Williams throwing today about ten o'clock, about fifteen minutes
from now. In our buddy Matt Liiner, seven years in
the NFL. Love having him at Fox Sports College Football.
So let's go back to your pro day and the
current format for pro days. Were you nervous? Is it?
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You know, everybody always thinks, oh, you're throwing in shorts.
It's all that I would be nervous if I had
forty five NFL guys there. Take me back to your
pro day? How you felt?
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Yeah, you guys got to remember back in my pro day,
it was it was myself, it was Reggie, it was
Lendel White, it was Dominique Bird. We had, I mean,
I don't know how many guys we had drafted that year,
but we had a bunch and it was a it
was a spectacle, you know, that was that was I mean,
Colin you know those years. That was the years where
everybody wanted to come see everybody and Reggie obviously was
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the big name, and we had a lot of talent.
Very similar setup it's it's quiet so far. You know,
the guys are out here testing behind me. Obviously Caleb
is is. I'm planning on seeing him put on a
show here in a few minutes. But it's great to
be back here our pro di. There's a lot of nerves,
even though, because you know, you just kind of talked
about the quarterbacks moving up and down. This is a
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big day for these guys, kind of that final test
to get in front of these coaches, these gms, the scouts,
everybody and show what you can do. Now there's going
to be some private workouts held here in the next
couple of weeks for some of these guys, but there's
a lot on the line. You know, you have the combine,
you have the whole interview process, but now you get
one final chance to come out at your school in
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front of some of your fans, your coaches, and you've
worked and now you're trying to work to maybe increase
some of the numbers that you had from the combine
as some of the guys ran the forty or some
of the drills. You want to try and improve and
get better. But you know, there's a lot of nerves.
But I remember us we were all together, there's like
fifteen or twenty of us, like, Hey, this is what
we've built here. Let's go out. This is our dream.
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We get a chance to go and show off in
front of these scouts and these coaches in these general
managers and just go do our thing. For me personally,
it was nerve wracking my days, like like I didn't
have a great pro day. I also knew, like I'm
not going to wow people the way I throw the
ball in shorts and a T shirt.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
You know.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
For me, it was more kind of up here and
being able to understand systems and offenses. But the very
next day for me, I had a private workout for
the Tennessee Titans at the time with Coach Chow. Coach
Shaw was the offensive coordinator. So I had my pro
day one day and that night I met with the
whole Titans brass And the very next day I had
a private workout and I had a much better workout
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just with the receivers came in and flew in town.
So this is a wild kind of day in a
wild couple weeks for these guys.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So with Caleb Williams, I think the first thing you
jump and see is wow, he moves really well. He's
a playmaker. There is a criticism, and I think it's
fair that sometimes he leans into the spectacular. He certainly
did in year two. Your takeaway, as you know, what
makes Mahomes so great now is that in the first
couple of years he tended to lean into the spectacular.
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Now he'll take underneath stuff for three and a half hours.
Is that something that worries you about Caleb.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
It's a great point and Mahomes is a perfect example
because he has that ability, and I think you do
need to have that ability, especially at the next level.
Have to be able to extend. You don't have to
be Lamar Jackson, these guys that can run all over.
You just have to be able to extend outside the pocket,
pickups and yards with your legs. But where you make
your money, where you win a super Bowl, where you
get to the playoffs, is you have to be able
to deliver within the pocket, third downs, red zone, crunch time.
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You know, take the underneath stuff, take the checkdowns and
move the chains and to your point, and I would
just say this, and I know, Colin, you've probably seen
enough film. Last year USC wasn't great up front. You know,
there were a lot of times where I feel like
Caleb just he took the snap, he would kind of
wait and then he would just do what he did
because he was the best athlete on the field. You
can't get away with that at the next level. He
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knows that. Everybody knows that. So I think it was
a combination of sometimes he probably wants to play a
little bit that way because he knows that's one of
his best things he can do. But also at the
end of the day too, like you know, he had
to protect himself and sometimes that is getting outside the
pocket and making those plays. So I think he can
get better in the pocket. There's always rooms for the
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room for improvement, and we all know he's probably going
number one of the Bears. And what they've done with
they had DJ Moore, they got Keenan Allen, They've picked
up some nice pieces around him so that he can
probably feel more comfortable being able to play within between
the tackles, get the ball out on time, get it
to a sure handed guy like Keenan Allen who's been
doing it for a long time. DJ Moore is a
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fantastic player, so I think it's one of those things
where I think, as he gets better people around him,
and that's not a knock on USC and the guys
that he had, it's just that's the truth, especially at
the next level.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So it's interesting JJ McCarthy is wowed people at the
whiteboard at the combine. That matters. I was told years
ago that's where Baker beat Darnold was on the whiteboard.
He was very good. Secondly he came in, I was worried,
Matt you're a big guy. Now you've lost a lot
of weight, you're in great shape. But when I first
met you, you know you're an athlete, you're a pro athlete.
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You're a big guy, big shoulders. When I saw JJ McCarthy,
my first take was man, he is spindily. And then
he came in twenty pounds heavier, sort of Aaron Rodgy
size at the combine. So then I think, okay, I
have to readjust what I think when you watch JJ McCarthy,
Do you have a concern and what do you love?
Speaker 7 (37:12):
I had the same I had the same concern because obviously,
you know we cover Michigan and punching, Big New and
kickoff and I and I got to know him personally,
and I've seen him on the field. I seen him
play and You're like, oh God, he's not that big.
He's he's big enough. And as you just said, he's
put on weight. He'll continue to put on weight and
play a play at a weight that he's comfortable where
he can still move. I don't have a lot of
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concerns with him. And this is why I think, one
he's been tutored by one of the best coaches, one
of the best quarterback coaches we've seen in Jim Harbaugh.
Jim Harbaugh is fantastic and and he had that for
the last three years to learn under him, to learn
how to play the position at the highest level, and
basically to learn and do what's been asked of him.
I think the biggest like he's an enigma still call
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him because when you look at his tape, like there's
games I remember remember the game last year at Penn
State we were there, he handed the ball off thirty
two straight times, like he wasn't asked to do a
whole lot. That he didn't have to do a whole lot,
but when he was asked to make the plays, You're like, Wow,
this kid can spin it. This kid's got a really
good arm. This kid's gonna run a four four four five,
Like he is a tremendous athlete. So I think there's
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still a lot of that with a lot of these teams,
Like they're excited about him because his ceiling is through
the roof, because you haven't really seen a whole lot
from him because of just the way they ran their
system at Michigan. He is a fantastic kid. You talked
about the whiteboard, being able to retain information, being able
to go out there and be a coach on the field,
a leader. All of those things are equally as important
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as the physical traits, and he has the physical traits.
I just he does. Just hasn't had to been He
hasn't been Caleb where he's running around doing all these things.
I think he has the ability to do those things.
I'm telling you what. He's going to continue to move
up these charts. He's going to knock out all the interviews.
He's going to throw the ball extremely well, he's gonna
run well. He's a great kid. He's like, he's personable,
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he's just he's got it.
Speaker 9 (39:02):
Man.
Speaker 7 (39:02):
He's got all of those factors you want and he's
gonna listen, he's gonna be taken. He might be taken
in the top ten. I mean he's gonna be taking
some of one of these teams, you know, a Minnesota
or some of these teams are a Denver. Someone is
gonna is gonna go up and grab him. Uh, and
I think he's a tremendous player.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Matt Lyon looks great as all was. Hall of Goats.
You got thirty seconds? What's Hall of Goats? What am
I missing? Is that a company or something? What is that?
Speaker 7 (39:26):
Yeah, don't worry. I'll send you a hat. I got
a hoodie for you. Coln. I'll give Jason a hatt
in a hoodie too. So a couple of years ago,
my old teammate Greg Carlson and I we started Hall
of Goats, which is a video game. So a video
game company. We have merch coming out, but we're gonna
work with a lot of these college athletes with nil
in the video game and uh try and help build
the brand for them. But I've been wrapping the Hall
of Goats. I got you. It'll look good on you.
(39:47):
I would love for you to wear it on one
of your shows. Buddy, Okay, that that would really be
be good for me.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah. A lot of things look good on you, Matt
that would not look good on me. Let's just start
with like clothes, hats, and appearance. Okay, a lot of
looks good on you, Matt Lioner. Love having you at Fox,
good seeing you.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
You look good.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I'm okay for you. Know a lot of gray hair,
dland stuff breaks when you get to be my age.
All right, Matt Liner, awesome the and I say it again,
I said it yesterday. Caleb Williams to the Bears feels
much different today than three weeks ago. With Keenan Allen,
with DeAndre Swift, with Jerald Everett. Now it feels different.
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I said the Eagles. I didn't know what to do
with him. Now I get Saquon Barkley, with Devonte Smith,
with AJ Brown, with a healthy Jalen Hurts with a
new offensive coordinator. That's why free agency is fun. I
don't think it necessarily changes teams, but there are players
that land in spots and you feel differently. I like
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Philadelphia more today than pre Saquon and the Chargers now
is a landing spot for Caleb DJ Moore, Keenan Allen
Cole Comet, Jerald Everett, DeAndre Swift bro those are players.
Those are good players. And I think Ryan pulls the
GMS a former offensive tackle. I like both their tackles
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more than capable tackles. Chicago feels different today than it
did three weeks ago, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Can they compete with the likes of the Bears.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Then they can compete again. Rookie quarterback with goff Jared low.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Crowd, I'm just gonna mention CEJ Stroud last year.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I'm not going to do that. They will be competitive.
I agree they won seven games last year and the
quarterback didn't work.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
He's just got to stay in the pocket. No more
backyard football will.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Be a little backyard football. None wrong with a little
backyard gives at two or three backyard football plays a game.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go. It is a Wednesday. We are
live in Los Angeles. It's the Hurt wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. Finally got a good night's sleep,
raring to go. So yesterday on the show, a little
craziness happened and I slept on it. Anthony Edwards had
(00:48):
a dunk against Utah. Everybody went crazy. Everybody's talking about
the next Michael Jordan. Comparisons comes to MJ and I
slept on it, j Mac and I am here to
defend MJ.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hold on, hold on, I thought I told you to
stay off Twitter. Don't forget about what those clowns are
saying about Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
All right, so well, I want to start here. First
of all, Anthony Edwards, Minnesota terrific player, highly UH vertical,
UH dunk machine had a big dunk over the weekend,
and all of a sudden, everybody's like MJ, MJ, MJ.
Chris Bruce Sard actually Big Jay Journalism reached out to
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Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
He's not going to ever be in the goat conversation.
As great as he will be, He's not gonna be
in the goat conversation. But stylistically, well, I reached out
to the goat today Michael Jordan, and Jordan said there
are similarities in their games. He agreed, so Jordan said,
there's similarities, their similarities.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I love Brew. I've seen a lot of jump man
in my life. There has been only one jump man, MJ.
Michael Jordan had what ninety nine percent of great dunkers
don't have. Grace like he was born to fly. He
hung in the air, he was smooth, he was fluid.
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And America doesn't fall in love with dunkers. They absolutely
fell in love with Michael. Michael made you feel a
certain way. The way he smiled, the way he walked,
the swagger, the confidence, the way he dressed. He was forceful, powerful, graceful,
(02:38):
He was cool. Anthony Edwards Zion, Blake Griffin, Dominique, Wilkins.
It's a lot of verticality and power, but there's not
a lot of layers to it. It's like comparing The
Rock and Christian Bale as actors. They're both successful and rich.
One is an artist, and that's Michael. There's a reason
America fell in love with him. His greatest moments usually
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came in the biggest spots, as if he had so
much more in the tank but was saving the big
stuff for us. That's the way Michael did it. In baseball,
there's nobody close, although Jeter had some of the same similarities,
and so did Brady. Michael Jordan's not about just six
(03:22):
for six. It's the commercials. It's the shoes. In fact,
when Ben Affleck and Matt Damon made the Air movie,
they didn't even try to find a Michael. They rarely
showed the back of him in the movie. You could
create a Sonny Vacero, you could create a Phil Knight.
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Michael is one of one the commercials, the smile, the grace.
Nothing against Zion, Dominique, lot of power, but Michael Jordan's
the coolest guy in a room. If he didn't play basketball.
The other cat aren't the coolest guy in the room
among great basketball players. There are ten year old kids
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in America today that never saw Michael play, and they
will wait in line for hours to wear his shoes.
Football teams wear his shoes. He starred in an age
of pre social media, so there was mystery and mystique
to Michael. The stories about him are like Greek mythology.
(04:27):
They're fables. When does the truth begin or end? Guys
now put their lunch on X and IG. Nobody cares.
Michael didn't give us everything. He kept a lot to himself,
a lot of his struggles. There were moments he got
emotional and asked the camera to stop during the documentary.
(04:50):
He didn't want us to see him at his weakest spot.
People used to be like that. Politicians, presidents, and Michael
Jordan the Edwards is terrific, a fun player, but the
discussions or comps to Michael Jordan will begin when the
college football national champions are wearing his logo. Never be
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another Michael. Basketball players are entertainers. Michael was a million
things beyond that. So the documentary The Dynasty is over,
and great sports documentaries and this was a great. One
(05:37):
have three things hype before you see it, the discussion
while you're watching it, and the deconstruction of it, and
criticism when it ends. So as the Dynasty ends, former
Patriots now Rodney Harrison, Devin mccordy happy, how Belichick and
(06:02):
the Dynasty was portrayed.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
It didn't tell the stories like of me come in
and Corey Dillon and you know, it was just it
was centered around some things that I wasn't really feeling,
and I just stopped watching.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
I interviewed for five or six hours. I was in
New York, and all they had me saying was bomb.
I felt like I got kind of duked because I
was just like you. I did like four or five
hours in New York, and then I did another like
two or three hours in Massachusetts, and I was like, man,
this is gonna be great. Like the storyteller, we're talking
(06:41):
about this, and we're talking about that everything that we
all gave to the twenty years that it encompassed, they
only hit anything that was negative.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Read the book by Jeff Benedict. The Dynasty books go deeper.
Read them. Documentaries have limited There's a lot of stories
in the MJ doc that weren't told. Scottie Pippen wasn't happy.
Maybe Isaiah's not happy, Gary Payton, if everybody's happy. After
a doc it disappears into the ether like ninety eight
(07:12):
percent of documentaries, but the great ones are talked about
before it, during it, and deconstructed after. Just think about
what this dynasty was, twenty years of a sports empire.
Say it out loud. You had two gates spy and deflate.
You had a tight end that apparently was a serial killer.
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You had a six round quarterback becoming the greatest player
in the history of the sport. You had a top
defender for years not being allowed to play in a
Super Bowl. And to this day, nobody knows why Brady
lost a super Bowl. In the game he played his
very best Philadelphia. He won a Super Bowl in which
(07:53):
he played his worst super Bowl the Rams. He won
super Bowls close and then lost once because of ball
stuck to David Tyree's helmet. The owner and the head coach,
we found out during the book and the dynasty, by
about year four and five didn't really care for each other.
And oh yeah, it ended with a thud. Brady left
(08:14):
won big and Belichick crumbled when you add the pressure
and the popularity. The NFL is America's number one TV show,
and there is no number two. Winston Churchill had a
great line and you can apply it here. History is
written by the victors. Brady won the divorce, Robert Kraft
(08:38):
got the house. This is their story, not bills. And
the deconstruction of documentaries is what happened when they matter,
and this one does. And again, read the book The Dynasty.
Jeff Benedict goes much deeper on a variety of topics.
I know, I know, you're not supposed to say, like
(09:00):
the book better than the movie, but sometimes, like the firm.
It's true, all right, j Mac, I will not have
Michael Jordan's slandered on national cable television.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Oh my gosh, I mean, what guy played like what
thirty years ago? I forgot about the Wizard's failure at
the end of his career. Oh geez.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Marlon Brando had a couple of bad stinkers, is it takeaway?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Well, I mean did nothing for the first six years
of his career except put up a lot of points
in losing the playoffs. So we don't talk about that,
only talk about six and zero, Like, come.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
On, he did lose to the Pistons dynasty and the
Celtics dynasty. He had to misfortunate and when.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Those dynasties crumbled and nothing was left, that's when he
took over Expansion era nineties. Like, I get it, he
was amazing, But I do love how rich is that?
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Brussard?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Hey, what about Anthony Edwards?
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Did you see it?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Gosh that your jump over John Collins the world stops?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That was not that was a murder. I mean they
put crime scene tape around the paint for the rest
of the game.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I don't know if you saw it. I love how
you've reduced Michael Jordan's greatness to the Expansion era nineties.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well it was, I mean, you could find the quote,
but the Hayes giography is just a bit much. It's like,
do we forget when he came back from baseball he
was locked up by Donald Royal of the Orlando Magic
and they lost that series. But then it's like, oh,
Jordan only played twenty five games, it doesn't count.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Like it's just a.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Bit much, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Well, sounds like the wife is wearing you doubt and like, hey,
can you do this?
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Can you do that.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's like, can you back? Can I have him in it?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Can I breathe? Can I just chill out? That appears
to be an interesting bridge. You'll probably pay for that
when you get home. Yeah, Hey, Donald Royle never got
the respect he saw Richard deserved.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Hey, those nineties Magic were nice.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Heynny Matt Liner showing up this hour USC Pro Day,
Caleb Williams throwing.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Hey, by the way, Matt Liner, it is my buddy.
He works out at my gym. You know, he just
got double hip replacement, both of his hips replaced. Tried
to get him to hoop with us, and he's just like,
I'm on the shelf for a minute.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well, he's at pro Day today, Caleb Williams the number
one pick. You know, it wasn't long ago we didn't
think Chicago was a good landing spot. But as we
talked about to lead yesterday's show, new information, Chicago's got
a new back, a new tight end, a star wide receiver.
Very interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yesterday we were the Chicago Bears show. Today were the
USC You got the pop pops over there?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Hey, Lo, Michael Day. I've said before Lebron does more
things great than Michael, but Lebron doesn't have the cool
factor and doesn't make me feel something.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Doesn't have the cool face.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well, I don't think. I don't think Michael. I think
there's players that have it, like Steph Curry's got some
of a cool factor of the way he shakes and moves.
Lebron's just great. Michael made you feel a certain way.
Lebron doesn't make me feel anything. I'm just in awe
of his talent, his greatness, and his longevity. I can
look at him and go what. I can look at
some things and go, what a business? What a movie?
(12:01):
But not all movies, even great ones, make me feel something.
The great movies, literally you sit in the theater and
you talk about it. Oppenheimer is a movie. I sat
in the theater for ten minutes and thought about what
it means in society. That's a real movie. A lot
of movies are just fun and entertaining, even great movies.
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I've gone to movies and I'm like, that's a great
I watched Another movie that made me sit in the
theater was Platoon William Dafoe, Charlie Sheen. That movie made
me sit in the theater and think a lot about family,
and friendship in life and sacrifice. Not all great movies
make you think. Not all great athletes make me feel something. Michael,
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more than any any did Top Gun two with tomoers
All Top Guns make me feel. I WoT the theater.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I was like on class. That was amazing, you know,
telling everybody like silly, texting my family members, You've gotta
see this. That's how I feel about Lebron.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Though I think Lebron, You're not there, huh. I'm just
he's great. He doesn't make me feel anything. You were
of his town.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You were in your feelings in your twenties and thirties, No,
I was.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I was. I was into a lot of things. Feelings
wasn't one of them. Six success is more than a
desk that I had to stop you in your tracks
on that wall. It was not into my feelings in
my twenties. It took a lot of therapy to get there.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
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Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yee. There is a term out there used in the
culinary business. Find out where the chef eats. They know,
they know the good places. Many of you believe I
have the Minnesota Vikings as a top ten team and
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the surprise team in the NFL next year because Sam
Donald is their quarterback. That's not entirely it. It's a
small part of it. Minnesota's got I think the smartest
young coach in football that you don't talk about, Kevin O'Connell,
the best receiver, and Justin Jefferson a top two or
three left tackle, running back, tight end, O line, number
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two receiver, number three receiver. They are completely stacked. And yes,
I do believe Sam Donald can win games and find
a way, if healthy, to engineer a possible wild card spot.
Find out where the chef eats. What do I mean
by that? Sean McVay loved Matt Stafford. Fans were cool
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on him because he was seventy four ninety and one.
He was a losing quarterback. Sean McVay really liked Baker Mayfield.
A year and a half later, he signed a massive contract.
McVeigh knows where the good ones are. Kevin O'Connell, Sean McVay,
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Kyle Shanahan all really really like Kirk Cousins. Raheem Morris
gets the Atlanta job, leans on his offensive friends, and
gets Kirk Cousins because Raheem knows they know. Find out
where the chef eats. Brian Flores is a defensive coach.
(15:57):
He couldn't stand to a Mike mca daniels, an offensive coach.
He really liked him to well. Last year led the
NFL in passing yards. Flores didn't think he could play.
I'm not interested really in Pete Carroll, Sean McDermott, Brian Flores,
Mike Tomlin's insight on o line or quarterback play. They
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know the other side. Belichick doesn't know offense. Battled with
Brady when it comes to quarterback play. Sam Darnald, Shanahan
likes him, Kevin O'Connell likes him, and a lot of
smart people I know in the league on the offensive side.
I didn't say love him like Sam Darnold. They feel
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the same way they did about Baker Mayfield. You're not
gonna pay him massive, game changing five year franchise Patrick
Mahomes money, not Lamar Jackson money, not Matt Stafford money.
But Donald can play. According to the people who know offense,
find out where the chef's eat. I try to get
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my information from people who are experts and have access
to the right side of any industry. And the guys
that I trust, the mcveigh's, the shanahan, the Kevin O'Connell's.
They like Sam, don't love him. Releases a bit slow,
can at times as a high school linebacker, be a
tad reckless, but they like him, and that's why I
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like Minnesota because I like Sam, I love the coach,
the receiver, they'll left tackle, they're running back the O line,
they tight end the number two receiver. And I like
still Sam Darnold. Never forget McVeigh loves Stafford. You guys
all banged on him. He was seventy four to ninety one.
Guy doesn't win games. I'm gonna go with Sean over
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reddit board guy Jmack with the news. No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
This is the herd line.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
News creddit board guy. Do we have like a pro
while of what reddit board guy looks like?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I don't. I think we all have a picture in
our head what he looks like down at the very
bottom of the house of his parents. Oh, we're going to.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
The basement now, No, all the digs, All right, let's
start with the Cowboys. You know, remember they made the
off seas or not the off Yeah, the off season
claim that they'd be all in this season, hoping to
get back to the Super Bowl for the first time
since the ice Age, But they've been very quiet during
free agency. Stephen Jones says the organization is not frustrated
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by the lack of signings, referencing the quality of their
drafting and keeping all those players in house. Adding I
also look at player acquisition being three hundred and sixty
five days a year. It's not just the first or
second day of free agency.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
That is true. But the reason they couldn't acquire players
they probably wanted to is because of Dak's contract, which
I was talking to somebody this morning. It will be
high fifties potentially, and to extend it could be starting
with a six. You can say all you want about this.
I love the quote player acquisition. It's three hundred and
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sixty five days a year. Dallas would have loved to
have picked up a couple of pieces. They can't afford
you then a cap space.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
So are you on board with this?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Like, okay, No, I would not. I would not sign
Dak Prescott me to a contract where the number starts
with a five. I'd be reluctant. In the high fours.
I would draft a quarterback. Everybody freaked out in Dallas
when they got Trey Lance for a four. I would
draft a quarterback. If bo Nix is available in the
second round, I'd draft a quarterback. This team won with
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Cooper Rush. Draft a quarterback. You are out of the
Super Bowl discussion. If your quarterback is good, Kirk cousins Dak,
and the number starts with a five or potentially a six,
and I think Dallas knows that. But Jerry's up in
the eighties now getting close to it, and he doesn't
want the chaos of missing on a quarterback. But I
would start drafting quarterbacks like second, late first, Green Bay.
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He has done it now, back to back times, drafting
a quarterback in the first round when they have a star.
It's worked out for him, hasn't it. Joe Flacco was
still playing Baltimore. Late first gets a quarterback, I'm Dallas
late first, and Pennix or bow Nicks is there, I'm
drafting them. I'm sorry if it offends Dak.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
So I'm looking at spot track and there's a potential
out now, but obviously there's too much of a dead
cap hit.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
They won't do that.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
You're telling me, Dak. Goodin's to the table with Jerry,
and Jerry says, sorry, we're not extending you.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I'm not starting the contract with the letter number five.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Fair enough, I would agree with you. But if Dak
says sorry, I'm not doing that, I'm not signing an.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Exit, and I draft quarterbacks for the next three years,
and one of them is gonna hit and I'm gonna
draft him fairly high. That's what I'm doing. That's what
I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
What I said yesterday, The Dak finished third in MVP vote,
and he's not the reason they got curb stomped by
the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
He did not play well.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Great, but he's not the reason they lost.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Jordan Love looked like the significantly more athletic, nimble, twitch,
accurate quarterback in that defense. Allegedly green Bay's defense eight
deck up green.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Bay, Man, what's twenty seven nothing?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I think that's a twenty seven nothing at home to
the youngest team in the playoffs since the nineteen seventy
Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Who's that on?
Speaker 9 (21:16):
Is that on?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Dakord McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Dak did not play well, Dak was not great.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But I'm telling you McCarthy came in there with an
idiotic game play.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Okay, okay, crap. When the first number is five and
you're hosting the youngest team since the seventy Bills, you
have to be great at home.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
So Cooper Rush, that's you. I know you are. I
love cups four and two years ago sample size. Okay,
let's get to the next story to your I think
he's your favorite player in the NBA, right, Jason Tatums.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I am seeing him Saturday in Chicago, and I am
taking a notepad and a ballpoint pen. I will be
taking notes on his late game efficiency.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But you're going back to Chicago.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I'm going to watch the Bulls Celtics. I'm doing some
pre play off work.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I'll have a yellow notepad and I will be after
the game asking hard hitting, probing questions.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Okay, well, we're excited for that. So I guess maybe
your criticism of Tatum has sparked Lebron James to chime
in on how elite Tatum already is. Lebron has a
new podcast, Venture Mined the Game with JJ Reddick. Here's
what they had to say about that.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
He's twenty five years old and I believe he's been
to the conference finals four times, been to the obviously
the NBA Finals once he's twenty five. I didn't, I mean,
I didn't win my first one until I was twenty eight.
I think Joker won his first one at twenty seven.
I think MJ was twenty eight as well. You know,
we have a lot of expectations on JT. But he's
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experienced a lot of winning in his career so far,
and obviously, you know everyone wants to see him get
over the hump. But four conference finals in a finals
appearance before the age of twenty six is selite.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I don't disagree with any of that, and Jason Tatum
is elite. Guys like you because this is good for
your brand. You like to marginalize me as not liking
Jason Tatum. I've said first team All Pro doesn't bother me.
Best domestic player in their prime in the world, in America,
in the NBA, absolutely no question our best domestic player
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in his prime. Staft's not in his prime. Lebron's not
in his prime. I don't think eighty quite is. I
do have concerns based on data which leans toward me,
which is late game big spots. He's very hit and miss,
and sometimes it's as if Jalen Brown's more aggressive than
Jason Tatum, and Tatum's more talented. Again, that's why I'm
going to Chicago with a notepad to get the insight on.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You're not gonna need much of a notepad. They're gonna
beat the Bulls by thirty.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Again.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I mean I can rattle it off, chapter and verse
in what he's done in the playoffs, which is more
important than regular season late game nonsense, where he torched
torched people in game seven, went to Milwaukee in Game
six and dropped like forty six on Giannis's head. I'm
telling you the guy's pluck. You could you could go
in your regular season sample size all you want.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But just just let it be known that I think
he's very, very good. I think we've I think Lebron's
point is true and honest, that we forget that players
are playing longer now they take care of their bodies.
He is in chapter two of a nine to eight
to nine chapter book. He's he's not even to the
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halfway point yet. That's very fair.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
By the way, you want a hot take, Jason Tatum
has already accomplished more in his NBA career than Michael
Jordan had at the same agent. That's not even like
a hot take. Honestly, go look at.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
You could go look.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Jordan was viewed the minute he entered the league grad well,
he was as the next great talent.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
He was obviously, But I'm just telling you Tatum, when
he's done this so far in his career extraordinary. I
can't wait for it. And I hate this because I
don't like Boston. I'm a New York guy.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I was born in New York. I respect Boston. I
lived out there for ten years in Connecticut. I like Boston.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I follow Simmons a Boston guy.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Of course he is, Yes, of course, a lot of
smart people. Dana White, we like he's a Boston guy.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I don't know, Dan Well.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I'm just saying Boston has a lot of excellent academic
centers and smart sports fans, and I like their teams.
And I'm not criticizing Tatum. I'm saying, can we contextualize
there are some late game For the record, this was
a knock on Lebron early in his career.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
He was it.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
He kind of shied away from the shot. If you
go back to early Lebron, I always defended Lebron because
he was such a great ball handler and passer. I'm like,
he gets you the best shot, he just didn't have
to take it. Tatum's not the distributor that Lebron was.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
This is so fun, Honestly, This is the most fun
I've ever had in my career, just arguing with you
about Jason Tatum daily final story. Baseball is back, Dodgers
and Padres facing off. How up morning from South Korea?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Want to know?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Shoyo Tani officially made his Dodger debut, recording his first
two hits, including an RBI single and a stolen base.
Stolen base is still happened in baseball?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I thought they were done well they do with show.
Hey Otani la.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
With the five to two victory in the Dodger data.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
They trailed late. That a big guy, I think eighth inning.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I got to give you props for waking up early
to watch.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Oh yeah, I was there, had the batting gloves on
at home, playing catch with myself. So Otani two hits,
Dodgers want to know now Padres sending out one of
their better pitchers in Game two.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
So oh wow, you're all over that. So so Dodgers
want to know. J Mack two and zero on college
basketball picks last night, we won't get.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
In Yeah, Virginia in fifty eight minutes without a bucket.
You fascinating.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I mean, how much time have you spent on the
tournament since the brackets came out Sunday.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I'm just telling you college basketball, between the one and
Done and the transfer portal, this has been a tough year.
There's not a single player. Perdue's got one guy that
won't be an NBA Star, second round pick, and yet.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
The next four days of offense, she's on the sports
calendar all year.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
No, it won't. You don't think the AFC NFC Championship.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
It's like three hours. This is four days of wall
to wall basketball.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's not great basketball. Virginia set the sport back thirty
nine years. Yesterday they sent the sport back one hundred years.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
If I want a bracket pool, you have to come
to one of my men's league games next season.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Oh god, there's not a chance. There's just the first
of all, there's no seting. Thankfully. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So you know, I was thinking about this yesterday. It's
really crazy. So Jerry Judy was a great BAMA receiver,
didn't do much in Denver. Cleveland paid him a contract
forty one million dollars guaranteed and almost sixty million dollars,
and I was thinking about what's the most powerful thing
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in the NFL. The most powerful thing in the NFL
is star quarterback Number two is Hope. That's why Cleveland
paid this. There's nothing about his production. He's never had
a thousand yard receiving that would give him almost sixty
million dollars. They're hoping that Kevin Stefanski and Deshaun Watson
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can somehow unlock Jerry Judy. He doesn't like blocking, he
drops a lot of passes, and if he's not the
number one receiver, he disappears. Yet there's hope that they
can unlock a player whose best highlights are from college.
A car loses half its value the second you drive
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it off the lot, and it's mostly the same with quarterbacks.
Jaden Daniels now could fetch Bryce Young fetched couple of
first couple of seconds. DJ Moore, you couldn't get a
toasted bagel for him. Now. Hope not only springs eternal
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after the mahomes Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson's it's the most
powerful thing in this league. Jerry Judy has almost been
a bust. Trey Lance went for three first round picks
two weeks into practice. The Niners wouldn't have given up
a third again. Bryce Young. So Jerry Judy since he's
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been in the NFL is eightieth in touchdown casters, eightieth.
He's forty eighth in catches and forty eighth in receiving
yards per game, and he got forty one million guaranteed.
His Bama tape is better than his Denver tape. Sean
Payton knows offense, no thank you, so I hope it works.
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I'm not a fan. He's inconsistent, disappears for half game stretches.
I'm more of a Cortland Sutton guy. I do think Cleveland.
I think Jerry Judy with Amari Cooper. There's something there.
The tight end, the the one I love the coach.
The quarterback's weird, but it is. It is really remarkable,
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the power of hope in this league. These quarterbacks. You
can get multiple firsts for almost all these college quarterbacks.
By the time they play their first NFL game, you
can't get half of what you surrendered to get them.
Mark Schlareth, by the way, right after Jerry Judy was
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traded to Cleveland.
Speaker 10 (30:31):
I've been telling you for the last two years, what
a bus Jerry Judy is the wide receiver position. You know,
I got this from you guys all the time.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
But he's so quick in and out of breaks. He's
a great route runner.
Speaker 10 (30:41):
Yeah, he's open after the quarterback has already gone through
the progression. And as far as a football player, he's
just not a great football player. Doesn't run secondary routes
well to attract coverage drops the football doesn't block. Good riddance, listen,
that's not the kind of player you need here in
Denver to rebuild this thing.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Forty one million guaranteed, potentially up to fifty eight. Yeah,
I'm not rooting against him. I think Cleveland's really good.
I like a lot about Cleveland, but it is fascinating
the power of hope.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays
and noone Easter not a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So it is interesting to watch pre draft quarterbacks go up, surge,
go down. Bow Nix now is viewed by many as
a second round quarterback. He has sixty one college starts.
So if NFL people think he's a second round pick,
they've seen everything they can see on film and there's
something there that doesn't blow them away. Maybe He's more
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of a low ceiling, high floor guy. Michael Pennix has
now snuck back into the middle of the first round.
Caleb Williams throwing today about ten o'clock, about fifteen minutes
from now. In our buddy Matt Liiner, seven years in
the NFL. Love having him at Fox Sports College Football.
So let's go back to your pro day and the
current format for pro days. Were you nervous? Is it?
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You know, everybody always thinks, oh, you're throwing in shorts.
It's all that I would be nervous if I had
forty five NFL guys there. Take me back to your
pro day? How you felt?
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Yeah, you guys got to remember back in my pro day,
it was it was myself, it was Reggie, it was
Lendel White, it was Dominique Bird. We had, I mean,
I don't know how many guys we had drafted that year,
but we had a bunch and it was a it
was a spectacle, you know, that was that was I mean,
Colin you know those years. That was the years where
everybody wanted to come see everybody and Reggie obviously was
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the big name, and we had a lot of talent.
Very similar setup it's it's quiet so far. You know,
the guys are out here testing behind me. Obviously Caleb
is is. I'm planning on seeing him put on a
show here in a few minutes. But it's great to
be back here our pro di. There's a lot of nerves,
even though, because you know, you just kind of talked
about the quarterbacks moving up and down. This is a
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big day for these guys, kind of that final test
to get in front of these coaches, these gms, the scouts,
everybody and show what you can do. Now there's going
to be some private workouts held here in the next
couple of weeks for some of these guys, but there's
a lot on the line. You know, you have the combine,
you have the whole interview process, but now you get
one final chance to come out at your school in
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front of some of your fans, your coaches, and you've
worked and now you're trying to work to maybe increase
some of the numbers that you had from the combine
as some of the guys ran the forty or some
of the drills. You want to try and improve and
get better. But you know, there's a lot of nerves.
But I remember us we were all together, there's like
fifteen or twenty of us, like, Hey, this is what
we've built here. Let's go out. This is our dream.
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We get a chance to go and show off in
front of these scouts and these coaches in these general
managers and just go do our thing. For me personally,
it was nerve wracking my days, like like I didn't
have a great pro day. I also knew, like I'm
not going to wow people the way I throw the
ball in shorts and a T shirt.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
You know.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
For me, it was more kind of up here and
being able to understand systems and offenses. But the very
next day for me, I had a private workout for
the Tennessee Titans at the time with Coach Chow. Coach
Shaw was the offensive coordinator. So I had my pro
day one day and that night I met with the
whole Titans brass And the very next day I had
a private workout and I had a much better workout
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just with the receivers came in and flew in town.
So this is a wild kind of day in a
wild couple weeks for these guys.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So with Caleb Williams, I think the first thing you
jump and see is wow, he moves really well. He's
a playmaker. There is a criticism, and I think it's
fair that sometimes he leans into the spectacular. He certainly
did in year two. Your takeaway, as you know, what
makes Mahomes so great now is that in the first
couple of years he tended to lean into the spectacular.
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Now he'll take underneath stuff for three and a half hours.
Is that something that worries you about Caleb.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
It's a great point and Mahomes is a perfect example
because he has that ability, and I think you do
need to have that ability, especially at the next level.
Have to be able to extend. You don't have to
be Lamar Jackson, these guys that can run all over.
You just have to be able to extend outside the pocket,
pickups and yards with your legs. But where you make
your money, where you win a super Bowl, where you
get to the playoffs, is you have to be able
to deliver within the pocket, third downs, red zone, crunch time.
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You know, take the underneath stuff, take the checkdowns and
move the chains and to your point, and I would
just say this, and I know, Colin, you've probably seen
enough film. Last year USC wasn't great up front. You know,
there were a lot of times where I feel like
Caleb just he took the snap, he would kind of
wait and then he would just do what he did
because he was the best athlete on the field. You
can't get away with that at the next level. He
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knows that. Everybody knows that. So I think it was
a combination of sometimes he probably wants to play a
little bit that way because he knows that's one of
his best things he can do. But also at the
end of the day too, like you know, he had
to protect himself and sometimes that is getting outside the
pocket and making those plays. So I think he can
get better in the pocket. There's always rooms for the
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room for improvement, and we all know he's probably going
number one of the Bears. And what they've done with
they had DJ Moore, they got Keenan Allen, They've picked
up some nice pieces around him so that he can
probably feel more comfortable being able to play within between
the tackles, get the ball out on time, get it
to a sure handed guy like Keenan Allen who's been
doing it for a long time. DJ Moore is a
(36:19):
fantastic player, so I think it's one of those things
where I think, as he gets better people around him,
and that's not a knock on USC and the guys
that he had, it's just that's the truth, especially at
the next level.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So it's interesting JJ McCarthy is wowed people at the
whiteboard at the combine. That matters. I was told years
ago that's where Baker beat Darnold was on the whiteboard.
He was very good. Secondly he came in, I was worried,
Matt you're a big guy. Now you've lost a lot
of weight, you're in great shape. But when I first
met you, you know you're an athlete, you're a pro athlete.
(36:50):
You're a big guy, big shoulders. When I saw JJ McCarthy,
my first take was man, he is spindily. And then
he came in twenty pounds heavier, sort of Aaron Rodgy
size at the combine. So then I think, okay, I
have to readjust what I think when you watch JJ McCarthy,
Do you have a concern and what do you love?
Speaker 7 (37:12):
I had the same I had the same concern because obviously,
you know we cover Michigan and punching, Big New and
kickoff and I and I got to know him personally,
and I've seen him on the field. I seen him
play and You're like, oh God, he's not that big.
He's he's big enough. And as you just said, he's
put on weight. He'll continue to put on weight and
play a play at a weight that he's comfortable where
he can still move. I don't have a lot of
(37:33):
concerns with him. And this is why I think, one
he's been tutored by one of the best coaches, one
of the best quarterback coaches we've seen in Jim Harbaugh.
Jim Harbaugh is fantastic and and he had that for
the last three years to learn under him, to learn
how to play the position at the highest level, and
basically to learn and do what's been asked of him.
I think the biggest like he's an enigma still call
(37:54):
him because when you look at his tape, like there's
games I remember remember the game last year at Penn
State we were there, he handed the ball off thirty
two straight times, like he wasn't asked to do a
whole lot. That he didn't have to do a whole lot,
but when he was asked to make the plays, You're like, Wow,
this kid can spin it. This kid's got a really
good arm. This kid's gonna run a four four four five,
Like he is a tremendous athlete. So I think there's
(38:16):
still a lot of that with a lot of these teams,
Like they're excited about him because his ceiling is through
the roof, because you haven't really seen a whole lot
from him because of just the way they ran their
system at Michigan. He is a fantastic kid. You talked
about the whiteboard, being able to retain information, being able
to go out there and be a coach on the field,
a leader. All of those things are equally as important
(38:39):
as the physical traits, and he has the physical traits.
I just he does. Just hasn't had to been He
hasn't been Caleb where he's running around doing all these things.
I think he has the ability to do those things.
I'm telling you what. He's going to continue to move
up these charts. He's going to knock out all the interviews.
He's going to throw the ball extremely well, he's gonna
run well. He's a great kid. He's like, he's personable,
(39:01):
he's just he's got it.
Speaker 9 (39:02):
Man.
Speaker 7 (39:02):
He's got all of those factors you want and he's
gonna listen, he's gonna be taken. He might be taken
in the top ten. I mean he's gonna be taking
some of one of these teams, you know, a Minnesota
or some of these teams are a Denver. Someone is
gonna is gonna go up and grab him. Uh, and
I think he's a tremendous player.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Matt Lyon looks great as all was. Hall of Goats.
You got thirty seconds? What's Hall of Goats? What am
I missing? Is that a company or something? What is that?
Speaker 7 (39:26):
Yeah, don't worry. I'll send you a hat. I got
a hoodie for you. Coln. I'll give Jason a hatt
in a hoodie too. So a couple of years ago,
my old teammate Greg Carlson and I we started Hall
of Goats, which is a video game. So a video
game company. We have merch coming out, but we're gonna
work with a lot of these college athletes with nil
in the video game and uh try and help build
the brand for them. But I've been wrapping the Hall
of Goats. I got you. It'll look good on you.
(39:47):
I would love for you to wear it on one
of your shows. Buddy, Okay, that that would really be
be good for me.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah. A lot of things look good on you, Matt
that would not look good on me. Let's just start
with like clothes, hats, and appearance. Okay, a lot of
looks good on you, Matt Lioner. Love having you at Fox,
good seeing you.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
You look good.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I'm okay for you. Know a lot of gray hair,
dland stuff breaks when you get to be my age.
All right, Matt Liner, awesome the and I say it again,
I said it yesterday. Caleb Williams to the Bears feels
much different today than three weeks ago. With Keenan Allen,
with DeAndre Swift, with Jerald Everett. Now it feels different.
(40:26):
I said the Eagles. I didn't know what to do
with him. Now I get Saquon Barkley, with Devonte Smith,
with AJ Brown, with a healthy Jalen Hurts with a
new offensive coordinator. That's why free agency is fun. I
don't think it necessarily changes teams, but there are players
that land in spots and you feel differently. I like
(40:46):
Philadelphia more today than pre Saquon and the Chargers now
is a landing spot for Caleb DJ Moore, Keenan Allen
Cole Comet, Jerald Everett, DeAndre Swift bro those are players.
Those are good players. And I think Ryan pulls the
GMS a former offensive tackle. I like both their tackles
(41:07):
more than capable tackles. Chicago feels different today than it
did three weeks ago, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Can they compete with the likes of the Bears.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Then they can compete again. Rookie quarterback with goff Jared low.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Crowd, I'm just gonna mention CEJ Stroud last year.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I'm not going to do that. They will be competitive.
I agree they won seven games last year and the
quarterback didn't work.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
He's just got to stay in the pocket. No more
backyard football will.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Be a little backyard football. None wrong with a little
backyard gives at two or three backyard football plays a game.
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