February 18, 2025 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's a Herd Fox Sports Radio, and it's two pros
and a cup of Joe Filly in for Colin LaVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. We are going
to take you all the way up until three o'clock
Eastern time. That'll be noon Pacific time. And Brady Quinn,
we are rocking and rolling here on a Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah we are. Yeah, Phil, Phil, very patriotic today, are you? Yeah?
A little fired up.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
President's Day weekend coming off some uh I do know
something about the four Nations hockey thing. Then it kind
of got me going. It's not just the fights either,
just a lot of pride, a lot of pride for
this great country you're live in.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I noticed you mentioned that before you mentioned any of
the other festivities that took place this weekend were you
not a f took place this weekend? Well, I think
there was Valentine's Day.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
It was Friday. Of course.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I went to a Monster Jam event. That was fun.
I got to go see you know, my son and
I we have our favorite monster truck, the Blacks.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It was fun. Is that more of something that you
got him into? Or did did he get into that?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I got him in his Easter basket or his Christmas stocking,
either Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny got him a
monster truck just randomly, and he just was hooked ever since.
And it's fun. It's a fun event. But but I
mean there was that, and there was trying to think
what else there was going on this weekend, all the
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All Star Game festivities in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yes, right, there was there was that, and.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, I don't know, man, I mean Kevin Durant, you know,
looking at the situation going well, hey listen, you know,
people just like to criticize. It's more fun to criticize
the NBA and the All Star Game on social media.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
That is than it is to uh got high there,
than it is to Jesus than it is too coming home?
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Uh where'd you park to loco. Jeez, going out to
a ticket later, it was a very no, no, it
is a very interesting morning though, I'll tell you. Yeah,
twenty six mile drive an hour and twenty minutes. That's
pretty standard though for la, isn't it. I mean that's
a first for me, that's the first. I'm the worst
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I've ever seen with no accident. Yeah, that's that's that
was interesting. Yesterday was only forty minutes to get in here,
but I guess it's because it was it was a holiday.
But yeah, anyways, I mean, which would be a more
interesting conversation than obviously the one that we're having right now. Listen,
Kevin Durant is a great personality. He is one of
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the guys and one of the players that drives the
drives the needle, keeps them relevant in some aspects, in
some regards. But I mean, you can't be sensitive about
the criticisms that are being levied their way and how
I guess relentless and how aggressive the conversations of how
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bad some of these things have been, especially you know,
surrounding the conversation of All Star Weekend. I mean, it's
just is what it is, you know, And again that's
just the reality of it is is that you don't
have enough personalities like Kevin Durant in today's NBA that
are building relations You ever think about that, Like I
was looking at our comments yesterday and it's like the
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whole idea of what relationships are being built between player
and and fan? Who is who is really what teams
are really building these strong bonds like we used to
see in the olden days of the NBA when when
who was who was the the commissioner back then passed
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away Stern. When Stern was the commissioner, there was such
a focus on building the reputations, building the personalities of
these teams and of these players and connecting them with
their fans. There's a disconnect, certainly a disconnect I view.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
This entire conversation because we kind of got railroaded there
on the NBA, which the Lord knows. I don't want
to talk about that as much because I think what
what I witnessed was the game of hockey in very
in the very similar lights.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Well you can't at late, so you missed out on
the initial part of conversation. Did so the Four.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Nations Hockey exhibition right like there doesn't matter for any
of those players. In regards to the Stanley Cup, right,
we're not to the playoffs yet in hockey, so you
can call it whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
It was brilliant by the NHL. It had so much interest.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
I think the ratings were somewhere over five million or
so ended up watching, for basic an exhibition game, very
similar to what the NBA All Star Game is. And
you have, at least in regards to the NBA, one
of the greatest ambassadors in the history of the game
in Lebron James, who is for the first time ever
opts out to play.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Now. Grantedy he's just dealing.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
With an injury, and he's played forever and he's made
every All Star to over two decades, so I guess
he's got the right to do that. But what I'm
pointing out is the difference in the intensity of both
these games. And I think that's the connection with fans.
If I'm going to take a piece of my life,
if I'm going to go spend my hard earned money
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and go watch a NBA All Star game or a
hockey game, that's an ext bit like I want to
see the intensity that you care at least as much
as I do. And granted, you know, I think it's
tough to compare when you've got, for example, four nations
people representing their country, to compare it to the.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
All Star Game.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Even though there's some international players, there's some guys who
their representation goes beyond just representing whatever it is in
the All Star Game. In the NBA, they're representing people
back home, people in other countries. But to me, that's
the disconnect is I'm not here to bash the NBA
NBA players because I think part of the reason why
the game is where the game's at is because these
are the most skilled NBA players we've ever seen, and
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so there's always going to be evolution in a game
when it's like that. But what I saw in hockey,
and maybe it's just the culture of hockey because they
both play the same amount of regular season games, and
I'd make the case that the Stanley Cup playoffs is
much more enduring because it's more of a physical sport anyway,
and it's a longer road anyway to a championship than
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the NBA is. So, like, what's hard to watch is
this load management era of athletes and this thought that like, yeah,
it's okay to sit out and take up a roster
spot and not play because I've done this so much
and I'm one of the greatest of all time. And
then meanwhile, you've got dudes who are dropping gloves as
soon as the puck drops because they're ticked off. And
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I don't care if it was planned or not, because
they're ticked off about the Canadian fans. We're booing and
we're gonna show them something. We're gonna set this thing off, right.
And that's how intense this game, this game is gonna be,
even though it's just an exhibition. For me, like that
won me over, Like I really don't have a dog
in the fight one way or another.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I'm just a fan, right. You know, didn't play at
either of those levels. At a high level.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I do have a family member who plays in the NHL,
But you know, I don't necessarily say like, no, I'd.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Rather watch one versus the other.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
But for me, that moment, that was a moment where
I looked at Hockey and said, yeah, I think you
just won over a lot of fans. And I know
not everyone tuned in, but you see the viral clips
and then you see the win and everything else, and
it gives you chills.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Man.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
It makes you think about you know, different movies they've
made in the past, and you know, I just I
kind of sit back and go. That's the disconnect is
the NBA thinks because they're so great, they're so skilled
that people are gonna want to watch, you're missing the point.
You're missing the intensity of the game. That's what we love, man.
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We love the passion. We love the intensity. Yes, when
it was more physical and guys got in fights, we
love that too, because we naturally love fighting. It's like
when you're driving your car. You guys are both driving
in right now. If two people popped out all of
a sudden started throwing, you know, fists at one another,
you'd stop and watch. It's it's a human reaction.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You just do.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
They maybe, I mean, I was feeling good about sitting
in this traffic, so you know i'd have had some time.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
You know, you're building up a lot of that intensity.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Figure, get me someone's then get me a few in
as well, you know what I mean. But yeah, you're right,
this isn't exclusive to the NBA. This is the same
thing with the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
There's no intensity but you played in it back when
you played, dude, you used to gethit, especially towards the
end of the game. Yes, like they were still out
there trying to win. I was hunting here, That's what
sport is.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I was hunting hits, especially if there was somebody on
the other side of the ball that I didn't get
a chance to see during the season. I certainly wanted
to fill I remember when Corey Dillon was in the
in the Pro Bowl. I wanted to I wanted to
get him so bad he was That's why I wanted it.
I wanted that. I wanted to feel what that felt like.
You know, everybody was talking about Corey Dillon. Corey Dillon.
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You know what, he's in the Pro Bowl this year,
We're lined up against one another. I was trying to
get him, you know that. I think that that's what
you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Though.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
It's like when when Kobe saw Mike mj and in
the All Star Game, he was trying to get him,
and then what happens MJ seeing that Kobe's trying to
get him. So I'm trying to get you, Like I'm
with you on that. I saw some of the hockey
I ain't see a whole lot of it. I saw
some of it. I thought it was pretty cool, kind
of make feel like it was like the Olympics something
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to that felt like, yeah, I felt like they were
representing something bigger than themselves. It did, It did, and
I don't think again. I'll come back to the connection
like there is a disconnect in today's athlete, which is
it's weird because you have every bit of the technology
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to connect with the fans in a way that you
never have before. And I think that that's why the
ones who choose to do it when they do these
these podcasts and their player driven podcasts, I think that's
why they do so well, is because there is such
a disconnect in today's athlete.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And I say it's across the board.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
If you really were to go through like from fan
bases of different eras of time, and you were to
say run it like, tell us who the players are,
tell us tell us the team, da, da da what
they represented, you be able to do it.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You be able to do it.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
That's why you had You had nicknames for the different
teams in all the sports. You had nicknames broad Street Bullies,
purple people, eaters, steal curtain, the bad boys you had,
you had different because the connection with the fan was
so important that everybody was in it together. I don't
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feel like that's It's like it's you're just watching more
of a show. You're watching more of a product now,
and they are so skilled that it's like, here we
go shooting threes out there, throw the ball. Hockey. I
can't really speak on hockey. I don't really I don't
really know it like that, but I will say it
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just seems as though for a lot of times for me,
especially because I look at it as a fan as well.
Outside of the playoffs, I just think they're playing, you're playing.
You're like, you're almost to the point of where you
look at and you say, they're going through the motions.
They're so good, you're going through the motions. You get
to the playoffs, you know that that it's intensified because
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you go home if you lose. That's it. Like otherwise.
I don't know all these players' names, and I am
a former football player. I don't know all these guys'
names anymore. I don't I don't know what they represent.
I don't know what the team represents. I don't know
what it is. There's a disconnect. It's like you decentralize
the fan base, the fans you don't have. You have
your your niche market of fans, but then you go
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outside of that and everybody's like, I'm root for this
guy because he's on my fantasy team. Like I'm root
for this guy because I'm I got a parlay and
that dictates who I want to see do well, okay,
exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Well, I'll tell you I probably lost that one anyways.
But it was also it was also the contrast, you know,
first week and we were mentioning this a little bit yesterday,
but first weekend without the NFL and you're looking for
something and the NHL gives you the Four Nations face
off and they give you that, and the NBA rolls
out that and it's Lebron letting everybody know an hour
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and a half with them, I'm just not just just
a bad look, man, a bad look. And you know,
hockey benefited from it, you know, whether this you know,
is parlayed itself into better ratings for the league and
more people take an interest like you. Probably you probably
captured some interest from people who looked at it and said,
you know, maybe I'll give this a try because this
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is a different product than what I'm getting from the NBA.
And so again, they can get all sensitive about it
all they want. It's not like people are rooting for
it to suck. They just want it to be a
little better. And and that's where we are when it
comes to uh comes to the NBA. By the way,
Thursday night is the final, the four Nations face off
final between Canada and the USA. USA is dealing with
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some injuries too.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You know you've got to get a little nick do
I mean, but you're all stars, right, all stars? I
mean you're representing your representry, the US. So it's the
best of the best of the US for the US.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
But like, yeah, there's obviously they're really good players, like
can I mean, Canada I think was slated to.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
And they're the best, aren't they They're the best that
they were. Uh, we will the USA beating three to
one in the most recent We're.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Going to find out Thursday whether the best historically speaking,
you know, the Canadians played hockey differently than everybody else.
Mean that, man, isn't there another place to like doesn't
Russia play it pretty well too.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah, they got other things going on right now.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Racist, they're using different sticks over the soon.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's part of the reason why Rush was not in
Behind was too soon, why Lee Lee would not include
some of the content and the rundown.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
That doesn't I mean, but that doesn't change the fact
that they're good at hockey though, right, I mean, we
you can admit that.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, okay, got some good players. They're good shooters.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Not in the gas, but again that's uh, you know,
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Speaker 4 (15:13):
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Speaker 3 (15:13):
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in the NFL is going to get really bold, borderline
greedy this offseason.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
We'll tell you who they are right here. N fsre be.
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Speaker 3 (16:01):
Hey he get back now, I'll come out. It's a
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NOx with you in for Colin coming up here and
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We are going to tell you about some big time
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Speaker 6 (16:25):
Y'all real professional today, man, let me let me put
my professional hat on today.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Well, yeah, that's the way we normally operate.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Oh really, yes, yes, LeVar, I dang, I just thought
it was professional parly not. I wasn't real professional. I've
never been real professional. But all right, let me try.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Let's do it. Let's do it, guys.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I'm not really a big fan of you misrepresenting us
here at a different type slide, Johnson, my.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Most sincerious apologies to you both.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Let me do my best to be as professional as
I possibly can in the Colin cow Herd time slate space.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yes, what, all right, here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Well, listen, we do have an update, because here we
go again. You wanted to smile the team. The team
that is hijacking the NFL offseason early on in the
NFL is none other than your Cincinnati Bengals and the
Cincinnati Bengals. According to Jeremy Fowler of ESPN, they're aiming
to keep their trio of stars T Higgins, Jamar Chase,
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Trey Hendrickson. According to Fowler, who said, you know, they're
likely to place the franchise tag on T Higgins. That'll
buy him some time to try and work out a
long term deal. But the goal is at least to
maintain Jamar Chase, to keep Trey Hendrickson, to which I say, well, yeah,
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of course that's the goal. But whether or not that
actually happens because it's the Bengals remains to be seen.
But at least we know that the plan is for
the tag when it comes to t Higgins, at least
temporarily if they can't get a deal done.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
All right, let's go back to Joe Burrow's draft.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Okay, he's coming off of again the greatest season we've
ever seen an individual season for a college football player.
I would say that was Joe Burrow's final year at LSU.
I mean, the gauntlet of games they went through undefeated,
crushing everyone, winning every award possible, along with his teammates
winning everyward possible. I mean, it was an incredible year,
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and he had a lot of leverage that at that point,
and the Bengals had the number one overall pick. Now, granted,
he's from southern Ohio. He originally went to Ohio State
before he transferred LSU. I wonder how many, oftentimes too
Ohio State fans think about if they would have had
a national championship before this year, if Joe Burro would
have stayed in what that would have meant for that
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team instead of ended up being Dwayne Haskins.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
But I digress.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
I just that's kind of one of those like what
would have been if, you know, if Joe Burrow would
have been the starter instead of Dwayne Haskins. But anyway,
you know, before that draft, do you guys recall the
conversation about Burrow and him never, I shouldn't say never,
but he was reluctant to talk about the Bengals specifically.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
You know, they had the number one pick, but he
didn't really talk.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
About them necessarily, like, you know, hey, it'd be great
to be drafted by the Bengals. I know they're picking
at number one. I grew up close to there. He
never would say the Bengals, and now he kind of
would backtrack at you know, there's different articles about this.
He backtracked at the combine, saying he want to be
presumptuous because he knows a lot of things can happen
and and someone else could potentially, you know, straight up
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or take him, and he didn't want to presume that
they were going to.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Draft him at that spot.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
But he never said since that until after the fact,
how excited he was and playing close to home and
everything else. I felt like there was a little smoke there.
Did you guys feel that way before the draft.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Do you recall this, Uh, yeah, because it was he
obviously the appeal would be well because it's Ohio, but
he looked at the situation and said, yeah, but it
may not be the best situation for him because they
were terrible. I think that they was it a four
win season, the two wins and four wins, I think,
And there was talk Zach Taylor was going to get clipped,
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and I think it was because I remember I remember this. Hell,
that's a long ass time ago. I remember we talked
about it because was it. Ryan Lindley was a quarterback
for the Bengals and he was getting some playing time,
and then late in the year they went ahead and
put Andy Dalton in. It was either their first or
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second year of Zach Taylor's time there, and I remember
we were kicking around, like, man, he must really feel
like there's some heat on him to win some games. Otherwise,
why do you make the move at that point? And
then Burrow got there and it was like you had
no clue what you were supposed to expect from him
in that situation there his first year.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
And what was interesting about it is if anyone has
followed the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
And I've talked about this at length.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I've tried to make this case because this is what's
going on this time of year behind the scenes. Is
there an ownership group that doesn't have a ton of
money and they've never spent a ton of cash. That's
why Carson Palmer ended up leaving going to Arizona Cardinals.
Another guy who was supposed to be the guy and
was very prolific during his time there, but ultimately, I
mean LeVar, he worked with TG. I mean, who's could
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talk about it. You know, they weren't going to shell
out the type of contract that a lot of their
teams could, and they weren't going to construct a roster
like everyone else potentially could, and they were never gonna
be able to have the team built out around that
position in order to allow them win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
And so you look at then you go through Andy
Dalton and then they get the Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
And so you could understand some concern if you're a
player who is just coming off the greatest season ever
in college football history and you have aspirations of wanting
to win a Super Bowl and aren't naive to the
fact that like it takes an organization, it's not just
you as the quarterback. You're not fixing solving everything. As
good as Joe Burrow was last year, it still didn't
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help them win enough games because they didn't have a
defense that could help them out. So he's got on
this campaign this offseason to really put pressure on the
Cincinnati Bengals front office their ownership to say, let's do
these deals, like give me these guys back, give me
Jamar Chase, gimme t Higgins.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
We got to have help on defense.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
You need Trey Hendrickson, who's had thirty five sacks the
last two years. Like shell out the money and figure
out how to make this work. Because we're looking at
another team in the Philadelphia Eagles, and they figure out
how to make it work. So don't tell me you
can't make it work. Like we just watched them win
a Super Bowl doing it. So it just seems appropriate
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that you're starting to kind of hear you know, the owner,
you know, Jeremy Fowler's report now coming out about oh,
this is what they're aiming to do. Yeah, well they
should be able to do it, and they better do
it otherwise, and Cincinnati Bengals fans can get upset for
me saying this, but eventually, at some point there may
be a fracture between Joe Burrow and the Bengals because
of his aspirations of wanting to win a Super Bowl
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and if they're not giving him every operation soon as
you do. So there might be some teams that are
out there that are willing to trade for him and
then the potential chance to to build out around him
to go do that. I mean, there's one that's literally
sitting in the back of my mind right now.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
No, oh no, not that. Maybe because you the money.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
I think there's certain ownership groups that we've seen in
front offices that we've seen with are that have been
super aggressive, and so if that spot becomes open, you
wonder you go, Okay, Like I could see that potentially
being a suitor. You know, a team that's willing to
give up a lot of first round draft picks, a
team that for a period of time, like didn't even
draft guys in the first round because they trade away
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all the first round.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
New England huh old less need old less need less
neat slang coming out here. I'm just saying, if Stafford
whenever that it's done or if he's not there, the
New England right there.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Picked if you're taking a lot of first round packs
as usually they're in the back end. Anybody like traded
back or something? Okay, trade back, Okay, I got you.
Huh the Rams, I don't know, man, I listen. They
made it to the super Bowl with this team, and
I think they found their sea legs. I don't know
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why they started so slow this this upcoming or this
past season, but I would not have any reservations of
thinking that they start fast as a team this upcoming season.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
And a large part of that would be having that
trio guy still on your team, with Hendrickson and and
Higgins still there, and obviously with Jamar Chase. That's a
trio that that you want to have there. If I'm
if I am Joe Burrow and and you're right there
at it, you're talking about a team that doesn't, like
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you said, they don't have all the money. They there's
a lot of things that they have working against them.
But let's be clear, they can figure it out. They
can figure it out if they want to figure it out,
and if you want to figure it out, because you
want to keep Joe Burrow happy, which I would think
would be the singular biggest reason to do so, second
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being to win. Go figure, and maybe you could interchange them,
but I don't want to lose Joe Burrow's confidence or
belief in our organization to that point of him ending
up somewhere else. So I think they got it. They
have to make as much of an assertive effort to
keep this group of guys together because if they slip,
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if they slip and become a mediocre team with the
type of quarterback and the player that Joe Burrow is,
and not to mention even the player that Jamar Chase is. Yeah,
I mean, that's you got to say, that's the oblivion
of oblivion. You're never going to see the Cincinnati Bengals
get any closer than what they are to being a
Super Bowl contending, impossible winner in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
You've drafted Hall of Fame players and consecutive drafts, you
should probably try and keep them together like that would
be and they're their connection and what they've done going
all the way back to LSU has been phenomenal. And
Joe Burrow, by the way, he's a smart guy. And
he's pretty calculated. I mean, you know, somebody you know
breaks into his home and all of a sudden you
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find out his assistant is, you know, and he kind
of passes that like he's very very detail oriented. Joe
Burrow is the fact that he not only said, hey,
you don't want to make it a habit of losing
all your best players and then comes back and says,
I mean, yeah, look at what the Eagles do. The
Eagles always seem to figure it out. Like he's laid
out not a threat, but kind of shot a flair
(26:45):
gun into the sky and said, hey, don't want to
make an habit of this. And by the way, if
you need an example, there's one. And they just got
to a super Bowl and won a super Bowl in Philly.
He's letting everybody in the organization know we're not playing here.
Even such, get it done right. It's such common sense.
Fellas you have you have a legitimate window that you
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can win a super Bowl, it behooves you to do
whatever it takes to make sure that you keep that
window open as long as possible.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
HUO does that Does that yield a positive R? O?
I like cuts to me, It's like why do you
even have to question why do we have to have
a conversation about it? That should be just understood that
this is what you need to do so this man
has what he needs to win.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
If Cincinnati won the Super Bowl? Is that a.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Positive r O I on on the organization that do
those owners of course get Do they reap a benefit
of the money and the revenue going up? Because if
that is the case, what what's the resistance to doing it?
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Well, the resistance to to be able to spend out
cash the weather teams do is you know, you first
have to have it, That's part of it. And the
other piece of it is, you know, once you do
have you have to be willing to be able to
spend it and not just want to put in your
own pockets.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I mean, this is.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
A team that's got the smallest scouting department in the NFL.
You know, no coaching staff does more work on the
evaluation of talent than the Cincinnati Bengals. Because of that, So,
you know, whether you want to call that right wrong
or in different because they hit on a lot of
their draft picks, they develop guys well, you know, I
think there should be more cohesion between the scouting departments
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and the coaching staff and how they're saying things, how
they're going to, you know, put a plan together to
develop a player that comes into the league. So maybe
the Bengals are doing it right, maybe they're more efficient
than anyone else, But hasn't that in them a Super Bowl?
And you've had countless talent through the years, you know,
from Boomer to Carson Palmer to Andy Dalton who went
for a string at least of playoff appearances, but they
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really couldn't be it beyond that, so they just blame
Andy Dalton. Now you have Joe Burrow. He gets to
a Super Bowl, they can't win one, and now they're
going to have a hard time getting back if they
can't keep more pieces out around him. So yeah, yeah,
of course. Look, if you're a team that's the top seed,
or let's say you know, the second seed, and you're
hosting playoff games and you're able to make it to
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a Super Bowl, of course you're gonna make money. You know,
you should, at least in a variety of ways. But
I think the bigger issue here is whether or not
Cincinnati can get done.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
What Joe Burrow is looking to do.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
And again it's not like they're asking to put together
quite as many you know, weapons and targets life we've
seen for the Eagles, for example, who've got Saquon he's
one of the highest paid running backs. Who've got Jalen Hurts,
which you know, given his contract, it's it's one of
the higher paid contracts, but not necessarily the highest.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
That helps.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
But you've got aj Brown and DeVante Smith and all
these are the pieces they've gotten. The players they've got
on defense, on the offensive lines. Now, we've talked about
it before, like that bell. You know the bill's gonna
come to you know, it's gonna come to fruition here
in a few years.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
We know that.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
But at least they've got this window now in the
next two three years where they can go try to
really stack together some wins and be would be highly competitive,
not at a super Bowl every single year if things
go right and they stay healthy. Cincinnati, it feels like
even when Burrow's playing an MVP level, it's still not enough.
So he's put a lot of pressure on them, I
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think to sign back these guys just to give themselves
a chance, because that's what you're talking about all three
of these guys that they're talking about is having to
sign back. They were here this past year. It's still
don't equate to enough to get them into the playoffs. Now,
if to get in the playoffs, it's anyone's guess because
that's a dangerous team with what they can do offensively,
and then at times you've got a pass rusher like
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Hendrickson and the way defenses tend to step up in
the playoffs sometimes. But that's the problem. It's not just
spending on these guys. They've got to keep doing it
year after year in order just to give him a shot.
And the history of Cincinnati is they haven't done that.
And that's why Carson Paul ranted up in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
That's tough. That's a tough road to ho man to continue.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
It's like, if you get it, it's like, all right,
you justified. You're able to move with it and continue
to hopefully build with it. But what if you do
come up short. They got there, then they were good
enough to beat Kansas City, you know, they get to
the to the super Bowl. It just didn't work out
for them. So I just it's interesting because that's really
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if you're looking at it from the way you just
laid it out. How like that is super super high stakes.
If you're the ownership group and that's how you're approaching
own I just feel like, if that's how you approach
owning the team, then shouldn't you get out of the business.
It just doesn't seem like that's a business model that
is good for conduce it for the fan base, because
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you're not really at the end you're going to choose.
You're going to choose money and balance from your your
fan base over spending and delivering something to your fan
base that they can be proud of and they can
be happy about and continue to support.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
There's a fallback plan? What is it?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
If it all fails? Just look around and go at
least we're not the Browns, you know, because it could
be worse. Easy, all right? That was my Super Bowl pit.
I don't know how you do. We needed to check
your temperature.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Got they got a talented roster. I I was banging
on some things happening. They are and uh, you know,
damn I am you know you asked wife stay in
the business. I am reading an article. This is from
September of last year, and basically saying that the valuations
of NFL.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Teams are just astronomical at this point. So when you ask, like,
why would you stand it?
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Because the Bengals, which I think in the past decade
were not even viewed as.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
A billion dollar franchise, are now.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I think they're staying they're the cheapest franchise in the NFL,
but they're being valued at like five billion.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I mean, the financial reasons why you would stay in it,
I one hundred per send understand that. I just just
feel like, if you're just in it just to collect
the check, that's.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Kind of sad man. I mean, I think at the
end of the day's let's.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Be real, we know a number of teams that are
like that. Yeah, like they're in it because it's a
trophy to them. They want to make money off it too.
We've heard Albert Breer talk about it, you know. We've
heard Breer talk about kind of the profitability to how
they run their teams, you know, versus something that the
competition within the ownership groups for that, and there's sometimes
saying no, I only want a Super Bowl. I don't
care if we make as much money the guy. I
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want to go out there and be hoisting a Lombardi
at some point. So, I mean, look, here's the deal.
The league's healthy when you have Netflix, who's now coming
out saying reportedly, we want an afternoon Sunday game like
they want to. They want a part of that pie. Now,
you don't think they're gonna they're willing to overspend for it.
Have you got plenty of cash?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Huh?
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I mean, that's the reality of where the future of
this game's going with all these streaming networks that have
so much cash on hand. If they really want it,
they can afford to overspend. Now, long term not a
profitable venture if you can't make any money off at
ad sales and subscriptions and everything else that props it up, right,
if you can't equate to the viewership that it's necessary
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to be able to support whatever you're buying it for.
But the reality is they'll at least get their foot
in the door, and wants to get their foot in
the door. It's going to potentially allow them to take
a bigger piece of the pie. If somebody is their
TV networks, the broadcast networks can't adding up enough money
for it. Once it comes time to kind of renew
all that.
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Speaker 2 (36:26):
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Speaker 8 (36:30):
Yeah, good morning, guys.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
How are we doing?
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Good to hear you today?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
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Speaker 8 (36:39):
This first line we got you go for days.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Let's get to it.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
I forgot about that one, Brady, and this will be
read up your alley. It may only be February, but
big things are happening in college football. According to Ross
Dellinger from Yahoo Sports, momentum is building to very soon
expand the college football playoff to fourteen or sixteen teams.
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Right Under this new proposal, the SEC and Big Ten
will get four automatic qualifiers each. Of course, they will
to each of the Big twelve at ACC and one
to the highest rank group of five champ From there,
there would also be one or three at large bids,
depending if they go to fourteen or sixteen, with one
of those intended for Notre Dame should it finish ranked
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inside the top fourteen other details. The SEC would finally
play nine conference games in the scenario, and we would
see a Big Ten a SEC non conference game each
year among their members. The College Football Playoff committees meeting tomorrow,
and final decisions are expected in the coming weeks, but
this could could go into effect in twenty twenty six,
of course. Will So, guys, are we ready for a
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fourteen or sixteen playoffs so soon after just seeing it
get expanded to twelve this year?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Can they have it take place during the NBA season,
the real playoffs? Like you know, I mean, we just
saw it go from four to twelve, and now it's
going to go to SI fourteen or sixteen.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
I mean, I'll tell you, guys what this is all about.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
It's about money, all right.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Of course, the Big Ten was able to net forty
six million dollars additionally from this year's college football Playoff
because of the number of teams that got in, obviously
Ohio State the success they had in winning the national championship.
So if you actually look at how the Big Ten
has been constructed in comparison to the SEC, I think
the SEC.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Has more good teams. I'll just put it simply.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
However, because they're beating each other up, there's obviously a
less likelihood of getting in as many teams. If you're
the Big Ten, you've got three or four really strong teams,
and you've got this huge conference where you may have
to have some teams that miss some of those other
good teams you make it in. What was it for
this year? I got in four or five? So I
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guess the point is it's about money. If they expanded
to fourteen or sixteen, look at the teams that got
left out. We're arguing about Alabama, We're arguing about teams
like South Carolina. Those teams are probably in. So this,
at the end of the day, is really about money.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
And if you don't think that the SEC is not
gonna go back to ESPN, it's the rights holder of
their conference and go you.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
Want us to play another conference game, We'll play nine. Okay,
that's more money. And guess what we want to surpass
whatever the Big ten is giving out to their teams
each year from Fox, CBS and NBC. So that's what
this is about. This is ultimately about money. How many more.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Games are there for the teams that are playing, Like,
if you add that many more teams, how many.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Well, if it goes to sixteen, I mean you're you're
just not gonna have the buys for those fourteens.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
It's not a buye I need the top two would
get buys. Well, it's a fourteen sixteen.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
I'm just curious I'm just curious how much are they
going to be establishing the pay the players that are playing,
because I are the players just gonna just keep playing
or are they going to opt out if they're not
making any money off of plant? I mean, I think
that that's something that you got to take into consideration.
Guys will opt out. I mean, I know it's a playoff,
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and we were saying, okay, well, guys opt out in
just a regular bowl game, but they won't opt out
if you make it into the college playoff.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
To win a national title.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
I don't know, man, I mean, how much value is
they're there?
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Well, here's the thing is that stuff's going to already
be negotiated. I mean, we we first need more clarity
on how universities and schools can really pay their student athletes.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
If they're like restricted.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
By Title nine and they feel like they have to
pay equally men's and women's teams, it's it's gonna throw
a wrench, you know. I think what a lot of
teams were assuming they could do based on that house
NCAA settlement where you've got let's say, twenty one million
dollars to spend on all your sports. The lion's share of.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
That was going to go to football.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
Well, again, if Title nine comes into play, we're not
it's still not being has been resolved yet. Then we've
got to figure out is this all going to football
or is it gonna have to be divided up equally.
If it is, you have to find some other ways
of paying the guys. So that's gonna be the biggest question.
But let's just say, for example, we live in a
world where the lion's share is going to football, those
contracts are most likely going to reflect maybe some bonuses
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or incentives, things of that nature that will, you know,
allow them to be compensated for playing the additional games.
Speaker 8 (41:23):
Interesting, and we'll wrap that up with this. According to
Netflix's chief content officer, they told Puck Media that they
that Netflix is interested in bidding on the NFL Sunday
package in the very near future. The current broadcast deals
run through twenty twenty three. The league has the right
to pull the plug a few years early in twenty
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twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
But Jonas, I know you were hot on this. It's
crazy to think we're already here.
Speaker 8 (41:48):
We're streaming in sports leagues, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Well, it's just like, not that long ago people were
bitching about Amazon Prime.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
They're still a bitching about and now it's like I'm
one of them. It's gotten so much better though a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
Like when I watched that Jake Paul fight or a
couple of things I watched, Like the quality goes in
and out sometimes, Man, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I thought the NFL's Netflix presentation was really well done.
Netflix's NFL presentation was really well done, much much better
than the Tyson Paul fight.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
I thought. I feel like they fixed a lot of.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
That was a mess right with the streaming everything else horrible.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
They fixed a lot of the glitches. But yeah, big
concern though it's gambling. It's always going to be the
buffering with streaming and gambling. Like it's still not there
yet where that's got to be figured out because otherwise
people aren't gonna live bet a lot of those games.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Well, I mean I know this. If you want some
Daytona gambling advice, finally hit, finally hit after all these years.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
There was very interesting. Uh, Saints of Gray and involved
with the gambling, and Daytona was all right,
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Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah we are. Yeah, Phil, Phil, very patriotic today, are you? Yeah?
A little fired up.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
President's Day weekend coming off some uh I do know
something about the four Nations hockey thing. Then it kind
of got me going. It's not just the fights either,
just a lot of pride, a lot of pride for
this great country you're live in.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I noticed you mentioned that before you mentioned any of
the other festivities that took place this weekend were you
not a f took place this weekend? Well, I think
there was Valentine's Day.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
It was Friday. Of course.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I went to a Monster Jam event. That was fun.
I got to go see you know, my son and
I we have our favorite monster truck, the Blacks.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It was fun. Is that more of something that you
got him into? Or did did he get into that?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I got him in his Easter basket or his Christmas stocking,
either Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny got him a
monster truck just randomly, and he just was hooked ever since.
And it's fun. It's a fun event. But but I
mean there was that, and there was trying to think
what else there was going on this weekend, all the
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All Star Game festivities in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yes, right, there was there was that, and.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, I don't know, man, I mean Kevin Durant, you know,
looking at the situation going well, hey listen, you know,
people just like to criticize. It's more fun to criticize
the NBA and the All Star Game on social media.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
That is than it is to uh got high there,
than it is to Jesus than it is too coming home?
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Uh where'd you park to loco. Jeez, going out to
a ticket later, it was a very no, no, it
is a very interesting morning though, I'll tell you. Yeah,
twenty six mile drive an hour and twenty minutes. That's
pretty standard though for la, isn't it. I mean that's
a first for me, that's the first. I'm the worst
(02:54):
I've ever seen with no accident. Yeah, that's that's that
was interesting. Yesterday was only forty minutes to get in here,
but I guess it's because it was it was a holiday.
But yeah, anyways, I mean, which would be a more
interesting conversation than obviously the one that we're having right now. Listen,
Kevin Durant is a great personality. He is one of
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the guys and one of the players that drives the
drives the needle, keeps them relevant in some aspects, in
some regards. But I mean, you can't be sensitive about
the criticisms that are being levied their way and how
I guess relentless and how aggressive the conversations of how
(03:38):
bad some of these things have been, especially you know,
surrounding the conversation of All Star Weekend. I mean, it's
just is what it is, you know, And again that's
just the reality of it is is that you don't
have enough personalities like Kevin Durant in today's NBA that
are building relations You ever think about that, Like I
was looking at our comments yesterday and it's like the
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whole idea of what relationships are being built between player
and and fan? Who is who is really what teams
are really building these strong bonds like we used to
see in the olden days of the NBA when when
who was who was the the commissioner back then passed
(04:20):
away Stern. When Stern was the commissioner, there was such
a focus on building the reputations, building the personalities of
these teams and of these players and connecting them with
their fans. There's a disconnect, certainly a disconnect I view.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
This entire conversation because we kind of got railroaded there
on the NBA, which the Lord knows. I don't want
to talk about that as much because I think what
what I witnessed was the game of hockey in very
in the very similar lights.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Well you can't at late, so you missed out on
the initial part of conversation. Did so the Four.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Nations Hockey exhibition right like there doesn't matter for any
of those players. In regards to the Stanley Cup, right,
we're not to the playoffs yet in hockey, so you
can call it whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
It was brilliant by the NHL. It had so much interest.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
I think the ratings were somewhere over five million or
so ended up watching, for basic an exhibition game, very
similar to what the NBA All Star Game is. And
you have, at least in regards to the NBA, one
of the greatest ambassadors in the history of the game
in Lebron James, who is for the first time ever
opts out to play.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Now. Grantedy he's just dealing.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
With an injury, and he's played forever and he's made
every All Star to over two decades, so I guess
he's got the right to do that. But what I'm
pointing out is the difference in the intensity of both
these games. And I think that's the connection with fans.
If I'm going to take a piece of my life,
if I'm going to go spend my hard earned money
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and go watch a NBA All Star game or a
hockey game, that's an ext bit like I want to
see the intensity that you care at least as much
as I do. And granted, you know, I think it's
tough to compare when you've got, for example, four nations
people representing their country, to compare it to the.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
All Star Game.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Even though there's some international players, there's some guys who
their representation goes beyond just representing whatever it is in
the All Star Game. In the NBA, they're representing people
back home, people in other countries. But to me, that's
the disconnect is I'm not here to bash the NBA
NBA players because I think part of the reason why
the game is where the game's at is because these
are the most skilled NBA players we've ever seen, and
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so there's always going to be evolution in a game
when it's like that. But what I saw in hockey,
and maybe it's just the culture of hockey because they
both play the same amount of regular season games, and
I'd make the case that the Stanley Cup playoffs is
much more enduring because it's more of a physical sport anyway,
and it's a longer road anyway to a championship than
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the NBA is. So, like, what's hard to watch is
this load management era of athletes and this thought that like, yeah,
it's okay to sit out and take up a roster
spot and not play because I've done this so much
and I'm one of the greatest of all time. And
then meanwhile, you've got dudes who are dropping gloves as
soon as the puck drops because they're ticked off. And
(07:20):
I don't care if it was planned or not, because
they're ticked off about the Canadian fans. We're booing and
we're gonna show them something. We're gonna set this thing off, right.
And that's how intense this game, this game is gonna be,
even though it's just an exhibition. For me, like that
won me over, Like I really don't have a dog
in the fight one way or another.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I'm just a fan, right. You know, didn't play at
either of those levels. At a high level.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I do have a family member who plays in the NHL,
But you know, I don't necessarily say like, no, I'd.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Rather watch one versus the other.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
But for me, that moment, that was a moment where
I looked at Hockey and said, yeah, I think you
just won over a lot of fans. And I know
not everyone tuned in, but you see the viral clips
and then you see the win and everything else, and
it gives you chills.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Man.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
It makes you think about you know, different movies they've
made in the past, and you know, I just I
kind of sit back and go. That's the disconnect is
the NBA thinks because they're so great, they're so skilled
that people are gonna want to watch, you're missing the point.
You're missing the intensity of the game. That's what we love, man.
(08:25):
We love the passion. We love the intensity. Yes, when
it was more physical and guys got in fights, we
love that too, because we naturally love fighting. It's like
when you're driving your car. You guys are both driving
in right now. If two people popped out all of
a sudden started throwing, you know, fists at one another,
you'd stop and watch. It's it's a human reaction.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You just do.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
They maybe, I mean, I was feeling good about sitting
in this traffic, so you know i'd have had some time.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
You know, you're building up a lot of that intensity.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Figure, get me someone's then get me a few in
as well, you know what I mean. But yeah, you're right,
this isn't exclusive to the NBA. This is the same
thing with the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
There's no intensity but you played in it back when
you played, dude, you used to gethit, especially towards the
end of the game. Yes, like they were still out
there trying to win. I was hunting here, That's what
sport is.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I was hunting hits, especially if there was somebody on
the other side of the ball that I didn't get
a chance to see during the season. I certainly wanted
to fill I remember when Corey Dillon was in the
in the Pro Bowl. I wanted to I wanted to
get him so bad he was That's why I wanted it.
I wanted that. I wanted to feel what that felt like.
You know, everybody was talking about Corey Dillon. Corey Dillon.
(09:33):
You know what, he's in the Pro Bowl this year,
We're lined up against one another. I was trying to
get him, you know that. I think that that's what
you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Though.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
It's like when when Kobe saw Mike mj and in
the All Star Game, he was trying to get him,
and then what happens MJ seeing that Kobe's trying to
get him. So I'm trying to get you, Like I'm
with you on that. I saw some of the hockey
I ain't see a whole lot of it. I saw
some of it. I thought it was pretty cool, kind
of make feel like it was like the Olympics something
(10:02):
to that felt like, yeah, I felt like they were
representing something bigger than themselves. It did, It did, and
I don't think again. I'll come back to the connection
like there is a disconnect in today's athlete, which is
it's weird because you have every bit of the technology
(10:23):
to connect with the fans in a way that you
never have before. And I think that that's why the
ones who choose to do it when they do these
these podcasts and their player driven podcasts, I think that's
why they do so well, is because there is such
a disconnect in today's athlete.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And I say it's across the board.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
If you really were to go through like from fan
bases of different eras of time, and you were to
say run it like, tell us who the players are,
tell us tell us the team, da, da da what
they represented, you be able to do it.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You be able to do it.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
That's why you had You had nicknames for the different
teams in all the sports. You had nicknames broad Street Bullies,
purple people, eaters, steal curtain, the bad boys you had,
you had different because the connection with the fan was
so important that everybody was in it together. I don't
(11:23):
feel like that's It's like it's you're just watching more
of a show. You're watching more of a product now,
and they are so skilled that it's like, here we
go shooting threes out there, throw the ball. Hockey. I
can't really speak on hockey. I don't really I don't
really know it like that, but I will say it
(11:44):
just seems as though for a lot of times for me,
especially because I look at it as a fan as well.
Outside of the playoffs, I just think they're playing, you're playing.
You're like, you're almost to the point of where you
look at and you say, they're going through the motions.
They're so good, you're going through the motions. You get
to the playoffs, you know that that it's intensified because
(12:05):
you go home if you lose. That's it. Like otherwise.
I don't know all these players' names, and I am
a former football player. I don't know all these guys'
names anymore. I don't I don't know what they represent.
I don't know what the team represents. I don't know
what it is. There's a disconnect. It's like you decentralize
the fan base, the fans you don't have. You have
your your niche market of fans, but then you go
(12:27):
outside of that and everybody's like, I'm root for this
guy because he's on my fantasy team. Like I'm root
for this guy because I'm I got a parlay and
that dictates who I want to see do well, okay,
exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Well, I'll tell you I probably lost that one anyways.
But it was also it was also the contrast, you know,
first week and we were mentioning this a little bit yesterday,
but first weekend without the NFL and you're looking for
something and the NHL gives you the Four Nations face
off and they give you that, and the NBA rolls
out that and it's Lebron letting everybody know an hour
(13:04):
and a half with them, I'm just not just just
a bad look, man, a bad look. And you know,
hockey benefited from it, you know, whether this you know,
is parlayed itself into better ratings for the league and
more people take an interest like you. Probably you probably
captured some interest from people who looked at it and said,
you know, maybe I'll give this a try because this
(13:25):
is a different product than what I'm getting from the NBA.
And so again, they can get all sensitive about it
all they want. It's not like people are rooting for
it to suck. They just want it to be a
little better. And and that's where we are when it
comes to uh comes to the NBA. By the way,
Thursday night is the final, the four Nations face off
final between Canada and the USA. USA is dealing with
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some injuries too.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You know you've got to get a little nick do
I mean, but you're all stars, right, all stars? I
mean you're representing your representry, the US. So it's the
best of the best of the US for the US.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
But like, yeah, there's obviously they're really good players, like
can I mean, Canada I think was slated to.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
And they're the best, aren't they They're the best that
they were. Uh, we will the USA beating three to
one in the most recent We're.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Going to find out Thursday whether the best historically speaking,
you know, the Canadians played hockey differently than everybody else.
Mean that, man, isn't there another place to like doesn't
Russia play it pretty well too.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah, they got other things going on right now.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Racist, they're using different sticks over the soon.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's part of the reason why Rush was not in
Behind was too soon, why Lee Lee would not include
some of the content and the rundown.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
That doesn't I mean, but that doesn't change the fact
that they're good at hockey though, right, I mean, we
you can admit that.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, okay, got some good players. They're good shooters.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Not in the gas, but again that's uh, you know,
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Speaker 6 (16:25):
Y'all real professional today, man, let me let me put
my professional hat on today.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Well, yeah, that's the way we normally operate.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Oh really, yes, yes, LeVar, I dang, I just thought
it was professional parly not. I wasn't real professional. I've
never been real professional. But all right, let me try.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Let's do it. Let's do it, guys.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I'm not really a big fan of you misrepresenting us
here at a different type slide, Johnson, my.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Most sincerious apologies to you both.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Let me do my best to be as professional as
I possibly can in the Colin cow Herd time slate space.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yes, what, all right, here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Well, listen, we do have an update, because here we
go again. You wanted to smile the team. The team
that is hijacking the NFL offseason early on in the
NFL is none other than your Cincinnati Bengals and the
Cincinnati Bengals. According to Jeremy Fowler of ESPN, they're aiming
to keep their trio of stars T Higgins, Jamar Chase,
(17:20):
Trey Hendrickson. According to Fowler, who said, you know, they're
likely to place the franchise tag on T Higgins. That'll
buy him some time to try and work out a
long term deal. But the goal is at least to
maintain Jamar Chase, to keep Trey Hendrickson, to which I say, well, yeah,
(17:40):
of course that's the goal. But whether or not that
actually happens because it's the Bengals remains to be seen.
But at least we know that the plan is for
the tag when it comes to t Higgins, at least
temporarily if they can't get a deal done.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
All right, let's go back to Joe Burrow's draft.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Okay, he's coming off of again the greatest season we've
ever seen an individual season for a college football player.
I would say that was Joe Burrow's final year at LSU.
I mean, the gauntlet of games they went through undefeated,
crushing everyone, winning every award possible, along with his teammates
winning everyward possible. I mean, it was an incredible year,
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and he had a lot of leverage that at that point,
and the Bengals had the number one overall pick. Now, granted,
he's from southern Ohio. He originally went to Ohio State
before he transferred LSU. I wonder how many, oftentimes too
Ohio State fans think about if they would have had
a national championship before this year, if Joe Burro would
have stayed in what that would have meant for that
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team instead of ended up being Dwayne Haskins.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
But I digress.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
I just that's kind of one of those like what
would have been if, you know, if Joe Burrow would
have been the starter instead of Dwayne Haskins. But anyway,
you know, before that draft, do you guys recall the
conversation about Burrow and him never, I shouldn't say never,
but he was reluctant to talk about the Bengals specifically.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
You know, they had the number one pick, but he
didn't really talk.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
About them necessarily, like, you know, hey, it'd be great
to be drafted by the Bengals. I know they're picking
at number one. I grew up close to there. He
never would say the Bengals, and now he kind of
would backtrack at you know, there's different articles about this.
He backtracked at the combine, saying he want to be
presumptuous because he knows a lot of things can happen
and and someone else could potentially, you know, straight up
(19:32):
or take him, and he didn't want to presume that
they were going to.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Draft him at that spot.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
But he never said since that until after the fact,
how excited he was and playing close to home and
everything else. I felt like there was a little smoke there.
Did you guys feel that way before the draft.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Do you recall this, Uh, yeah, because it was he
obviously the appeal would be well because it's Ohio, but
he looked at the situation and said, yeah, but it
may not be the best situation for him because they
were terrible. I think that they was it a four
win season, the two wins and four wins, I think,
And there was talk Zach Taylor was going to get clipped,
(20:08):
and I think it was because I remember I remember this. Hell,
that's a long ass time ago. I remember we talked
about it because was it. Ryan Lindley was a quarterback
for the Bengals and he was getting some playing time,
and then late in the year they went ahead and
put Andy Dalton in. It was either their first or
(20:30):
second year of Zach Taylor's time there, and I remember
we were kicking around, like, man, he must really feel
like there's some heat on him to win some games. Otherwise,
why do you make the move at that point? And
then Burrow got there and it was like you had
no clue what you were supposed to expect from him
in that situation there his first year.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
And what was interesting about it is if anyone has
followed the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
And I've talked about this at length.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I've tried to make this case because this is what's
going on this time of year behind the scenes. Is
there an ownership group that doesn't have a ton of
money and they've never spent a ton of cash. That's
why Carson Palmer ended up leaving going to Arizona Cardinals.
Another guy who was supposed to be the guy and
was very prolific during his time there, but ultimately, I
mean LeVar, he worked with TG. I mean, who's could
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talk about it. You know, they weren't going to shell
out the type of contract that a lot of their
teams could, and they weren't going to construct a roster
like everyone else potentially could, and they were never gonna
be able to have the team built out around that
position in order to allow them win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
And so you look at then you go through Andy
Dalton and then they get the Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
And so you could understand some concern if you're a
player who is just coming off the greatest season ever
in college football history and you have aspirations of wanting
to win a Super Bowl and aren't naive to the
fact that like it takes an organization, it's not just
you as the quarterback. You're not fixing solving everything. As
good as Joe Burrow was last year, it still didn't
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help them win enough games because they didn't have a
defense that could help them out. So he's got on
this campaign this offseason to really put pressure on the
Cincinnati Bengals front office their ownership to say, let's do
these deals, like give me these guys back, give me
Jamar Chase, gimme t Higgins.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
We got to have help on defense.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
You need Trey Hendrickson, who's had thirty five sacks the
last two years. Like shell out the money and figure
out how to make this work. Because we're looking at
another team in the Philadelphia Eagles, and they figure out
how to make it work. So don't tell me you
can't make it work. Like we just watched them win
a Super Bowl doing it. So it just seems appropriate
(22:36):
that you're starting to kind of hear you know, the owner,
you know, Jeremy Fowler's report now coming out about oh,
this is what they're aiming to do. Yeah, well they
should be able to do it, and they better do
it otherwise, and Cincinnati Bengals fans can get upset for
me saying this, but eventually, at some point there may
be a fracture between Joe Burrow and the Bengals because
of his aspirations of wanting to win a Super Bowl
(22:58):
and if they're not giving him every operation soon as
you do. So there might be some teams that are
out there that are willing to trade for him and
then the potential chance to to build out around him
to go do that. I mean, there's one that's literally
sitting in the back of my mind right now.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
No, oh no, not that. Maybe because you the money.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
I think there's certain ownership groups that we've seen in
front offices that we've seen with are that have been
super aggressive, and so if that spot becomes open, you
wonder you go, Okay, Like I could see that potentially
being a suitor. You know, a team that's willing to
give up a lot of first round draft picks, a
team that for a period of time, like didn't even
draft guys in the first round because they trade away
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all the first round.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
New England huh old less need old less need less
neat slang coming out here. I'm just saying, if Stafford
whenever that it's done or if he's not there, the
New England right there.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Picked if you're taking a lot of first round packs
as usually they're in the back end. Anybody like traded
back or something? Okay, trade back, Okay, I got you.
Huh the Rams, I don't know, man, I listen. They
made it to the super Bowl with this team, and
I think they found their sea legs. I don't know
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why they started so slow this this upcoming or this
past season, but I would not have any reservations of
thinking that they start fast as a team this upcoming season.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
And a large part of that would be having that
trio guy still on your team, with Hendrickson and and
Higgins still there, and obviously with Jamar Chase. That's a
trio that that you want to have there. If I'm
if I am Joe Burrow and and you're right there
at it, you're talking about a team that doesn't, like
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you said, they don't have all the money. They there's
a lot of things that they have working against them.
But let's be clear, they can figure it out. They
can figure it out if they want to figure it out,
and if you want to figure it out, because you
want to keep Joe Burrow happy, which I would think
would be the singular biggest reason to do so, second
(25:16):
being to win. Go figure, and maybe you could interchange them,
but I don't want to lose Joe Burrow's confidence or
belief in our organization to that point of him ending
up somewhere else. So I think they got it. They
have to make as much of an assertive effort to
keep this group of guys together because if they slip,
(25:39):
if they slip and become a mediocre team with the
type of quarterback and the player that Joe Burrow is,
and not to mention even the player that Jamar Chase is. Yeah,
I mean, that's you got to say, that's the oblivion
of oblivion. You're never going to see the Cincinnati Bengals
get any closer than what they are to being a
Super Bowl contending, impossible winner in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
You've drafted Hall of Fame players and consecutive drafts, you
should probably try and keep them together like that would
be and they're their connection and what they've done going
all the way back to LSU has been phenomenal. And
Joe Burrow, by the way, he's a smart guy. And
he's pretty calculated. I mean, you know, somebody you know
breaks into his home and all of a sudden you
(26:23):
find out his assistant is, you know, and he kind
of passes that like he's very very detail oriented. Joe
Burrow is the fact that he not only said, hey,
you don't want to make it a habit of losing
all your best players and then comes back and says,
I mean, yeah, look at what the Eagles do. The
Eagles always seem to figure it out. Like he's laid
out not a threat, but kind of shot a flair
(26:45):
gun into the sky and said, hey, don't want to
make an habit of this. And by the way, if
you need an example, there's one. And they just got
to a super Bowl and won a super Bowl in Philly.
He's letting everybody in the organization know we're not playing here.
Even such, get it done right. It's such common sense.
Fellas you have you have a legitimate window that you
(27:06):
can win a super Bowl, it behooves you to do
whatever it takes to make sure that you keep that
window open as long as possible.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
HUO does that Does that yield a positive R? O?
I like cuts to me, It's like why do you
even have to question why do we have to have
a conversation about it? That should be just understood that
this is what you need to do so this man
has what he needs to win.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
If Cincinnati won the Super Bowl? Is that a.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Positive r O I on on the organization that do
those owners of course get Do they reap a benefit
of the money and the revenue going up? Because if
that is the case, what what's the resistance to doing it?
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Well, the resistance to to be able to spend out
cash the weather teams do is you know, you first
have to have it, That's part of it. And the
other piece of it is, you know, once you do
have you have to be willing to be able to
spend it and not just want to put in your
own pockets.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I mean, this is.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
A team that's got the smallest scouting department in the NFL.
You know, no coaching staff does more work on the
evaluation of talent than the Cincinnati Bengals. Because of that, So,
you know, whether you want to call that right wrong
or in different because they hit on a lot of
their draft picks, they develop guys well, you know, I
think there should be more cohesion between the scouting departments
(28:26):
and the coaching staff and how they're saying things, how
they're going to, you know, put a plan together to
develop a player that comes into the league. So maybe
the Bengals are doing it right, maybe they're more efficient
than anyone else, But hasn't that in them a Super Bowl?
And you've had countless talent through the years, you know,
from Boomer to Carson Palmer to Andy Dalton who went
for a string at least of playoff appearances, but they
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really couldn't be it beyond that, so they just blame
Andy Dalton. Now you have Joe Burrow. He gets to
a Super Bowl, they can't win one, and now they're
going to have a hard time getting back if they
can't keep more pieces out around him. So yeah, yeah,
of course. Look, if you're a team that's the top seed,
or let's say you know, the second seed, and you're
hosting playoff games and you're able to make it to
(29:08):
a Super Bowl, of course you're gonna make money. You know,
you should, at least in a variety of ways. But
I think the bigger issue here is whether or not
Cincinnati can get done.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
What Joe Burrow is looking to do.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
And again it's not like they're asking to put together
quite as many you know, weapons and targets life we've
seen for the Eagles, for example, who've got Saquon he's
one of the highest paid running backs. Who've got Jalen Hurts,
which you know, given his contract, it's it's one of
the higher paid contracts, but not necessarily the highest.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
That helps.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
But you've got aj Brown and DeVante Smith and all
these are the pieces they've gotten. The players they've got
on defense, on the offensive lines. Now, we've talked about
it before, like that bell. You know the bill's gonna
come to you know, it's gonna come to fruition here
in a few years.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
We know that.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
But at least they've got this window now in the
next two three years where they can go try to
really stack together some wins and be would be highly competitive,
not at a super Bowl every single year if things
go right and they stay healthy. Cincinnati, it feels like
even when Burrow's playing an MVP level, it's still not enough.
So he's put a lot of pressure on them, I
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think to sign back these guys just to give themselves
a chance, because that's what you're talking about all three
of these guys that they're talking about is having to
sign back. They were here this past year. It's still
don't equate to enough to get them into the playoffs. Now,
if to get in the playoffs, it's anyone's guess because
that's a dangerous team with what they can do offensively,
and then at times you've got a pass rusher like
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Hendrickson and the way defenses tend to step up in
the playoffs sometimes. But that's the problem. It's not just
spending on these guys. They've got to keep doing it
year after year in order just to give him a shot.
And the history of Cincinnati is they haven't done that.
And that's why Carson Paul ranted up in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
That's tough. That's a tough road to ho man to continue.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
It's like, if you get it, it's like, all right,
you justified. You're able to move with it and continue
to hopefully build with it. But what if you do
come up short. They got there, then they were good
enough to beat Kansas City, you know, they get to
the to the super Bowl. It just didn't work out
for them. So I just it's interesting because that's really
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if you're looking at it from the way you just
laid it out. How like that is super super high stakes.
If you're the ownership group and that's how you're approaching
own I just feel like, if that's how you approach
owning the team, then shouldn't you get out of the business.
It just doesn't seem like that's a business model that
is good for conduce it for the fan base, because
(31:44):
you're not really at the end you're going to choose.
You're going to choose money and balance from your your
fan base over spending and delivering something to your fan
base that they can be proud of and they can
be happy about and continue to support.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
There's a fallback plan? What is it?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
If it all fails? Just look around and go at
least we're not the Browns, you know, because it could
be worse. Easy, all right? That was my Super Bowl pit.
I don't know how you do. We needed to check
your temperature.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Got they got a talented roster. I I was banging
on some things happening. They are and uh, you know,
damn I am you know you asked wife stay in
the business. I am reading an article. This is from
September of last year, and basically saying that the valuations
of NFL.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Teams are just astronomical at this point. So when you ask, like,
why would you stand it?
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Because the Bengals, which I think in the past decade
were not even viewed as.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
A billion dollar franchise, are now.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I think they're staying they're the cheapest franchise in the NFL,
but they're being valued at like five billion.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I mean, the financial reasons why you would stay in it,
I one hundred per send understand that. I just just
feel like, if you're just in it just to collect
the check, that's.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Kind of sad man. I mean, I think at the
end of the day's let's.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Be real, we know a number of teams that are
like that. Yeah, like they're in it because it's a
trophy to them. They want to make money off it too.
We've heard Albert Breer talk about it, you know. We've
heard Breer talk about kind of the profitability to how
they run their teams, you know, versus something that the
competition within the ownership groups for that, and there's sometimes
saying no, I only want a Super Bowl. I don't
care if we make as much money the guy. I
(33:30):
want to go out there and be hoisting a Lombardi
at some point. So, I mean, look, here's the deal.
The league's healthy when you have Netflix, who's now coming
out saying reportedly, we want an afternoon Sunday game like
they want to. They want a part of that pie. Now,
you don't think they're gonna they're willing to overspend for it.
Have you got plenty of cash?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Huh?
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I mean, that's the reality of where the future of
this game's going with all these streaming networks that have
so much cash on hand. If they really want it,
they can afford to overspend. Now, long term not a
profitable venture if you can't make any money off at
ad sales and subscriptions and everything else that props it up, right,
if you can't equate to the viewership that it's necessary
(34:11):
to be able to support whatever you're buying it for.
But the reality is they'll at least get their foot
in the door, and wants to get their foot in
the door. It's going to potentially allow them to take
a bigger piece of the pie. If somebody is their
TV networks, the broadcast networks can't adding up enough money
for it. Once it comes time to kind of renew
all that.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
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Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up next
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Speaker 7 (34:49):
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Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up in about fifteen
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Speaker 2 (36:26):
This is the herd line news and it's great too.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
Yeah, good morning, guys.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
How are we doing?
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Good to hear you today?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
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Speaker 8 (36:39):
This first line we got you go for days.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Let's get to it.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
I forgot about that one, Brady, and this will be
read up your alley. It may only be February, but
big things are happening in college football. According to Ross
Dellinger from Yahoo Sports, momentum is building to very soon
expand the college football playoff to fourteen or sixteen teams.
(37:09):
Right Under this new proposal, the SEC and Big Ten
will get four automatic qualifiers each. Of course, they will
to each of the Big twelve at ACC and one
to the highest rank group of five champ From there,
there would also be one or three at large bids,
depending if they go to fourteen or sixteen, with one
of those intended for Notre Dame should it finish ranked
(37:29):
inside the top fourteen other details. The SEC would finally
play nine conference games in the scenario, and we would
see a Big Ten a SEC non conference game each
year among their members. The College Football Playoff committees meeting tomorrow,
and final decisions are expected in the coming weeks, but
this could could go into effect in twenty twenty six,
of course. Will So, guys, are we ready for a
(37:52):
fourteen or sixteen playoffs so soon after just seeing it
get expanded to twelve this year?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Can they have it take place during the NBA season,
the real playoffs? Like you know, I mean, we just
saw it go from four to twelve, and now it's
going to go to SI fourteen or sixteen.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
I mean, I'll tell you, guys what this is all about.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
It's about money, all right.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Of course, the Big Ten was able to net forty
six million dollars additionally from this year's college football Playoff
because of the number of teams that got in, obviously
Ohio State the success they had in winning the national championship.
So if you actually look at how the Big Ten
has been constructed in comparison to the SEC, I think
the SEC.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Has more good teams. I'll just put it simply.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
However, because they're beating each other up, there's obviously a
less likelihood of getting in as many teams. If you're
the Big Ten, you've got three or four really strong teams,
and you've got this huge conference where you may have
to have some teams that miss some of those other
good teams you make it in. What was it for
this year? I got in four or five? So I
(38:57):
guess the point is it's about money. If they expanded
to fourteen or sixteen, look at the teams that got
left out. We're arguing about Alabama, We're arguing about teams
like South Carolina. Those teams are probably in. So this,
at the end of the day, is really about money.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
And if you don't think that the SEC is not
gonna go back to ESPN, it's the rights holder of
their conference and go you.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
Want us to play another conference game, We'll play nine. Okay,
that's more money. And guess what we want to surpass
whatever the Big ten is giving out to their teams
each year from Fox, CBS and NBC. So that's what
this is about. This is ultimately about money. How many more.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Games are there for the teams that are playing, Like,
if you add that many more teams, how many.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Well, if it goes to sixteen, I mean you're you're
just not gonna have the buys for those fourteens.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
It's not a buye I need the top two would
get buys. Well, it's a fourteen sixteen.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
I'm just curious I'm just curious how much are they
going to be establishing the pay the players that are playing,
because I are the players just gonna just keep playing
or are they going to opt out if they're not
making any money off of plant? I mean, I think
that that's something that you got to take into consideration.
Guys will opt out. I mean, I know it's a playoff,
(40:10):
and we were saying, okay, well, guys opt out in
just a regular bowl game, but they won't opt out
if you make it into the college playoff.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
To win a national title.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
I don't know, man, I mean, how much value is
they're there?
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Well, here's the thing is that stuff's going to already
be negotiated. I mean, we we first need more clarity
on how universities and schools can really pay their student athletes.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
If they're like restricted.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
By Title nine and they feel like they have to
pay equally men's and women's teams, it's it's gonna throw
a wrench, you know. I think what a lot of
teams were assuming they could do based on that house
NCAA settlement where you've got let's say, twenty one million
dollars to spend on all your sports. The lion's share of.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
That was going to go to football.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
Well, again, if Title nine comes into play, we're not
it's still not being has been resolved yet. Then we've
got to figure out is this all going to football
or is it gonna have to be divided up equally.
If it is, you have to find some other ways
of paying the guys. So that's gonna be the biggest question.
But let's just say, for example, we live in a
world where the lion's share is going to football, those
contracts are most likely going to reflect maybe some bonuses
(41:16):
or incentives, things of that nature that will, you know,
allow them to be compensated for playing the additional games.
Speaker 8 (41:23):
Interesting, and we'll wrap that up with this. According to
Netflix's chief content officer, they told Puck Media that they
that Netflix is interested in bidding on the NFL Sunday
package in the very near future. The current broadcast deals
run through twenty twenty three. The league has the right
to pull the plug a few years early in twenty
(41:43):
twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
But Jonas, I know you were hot on this. It's
crazy to think we're already here.
Speaker 8 (41:48):
We're streaming in sports leagues, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Well, it's just like, not that long ago people were
bitching about Amazon Prime.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
They're still a bitching about and now it's like I'm
one of them. It's gotten so much better though a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
Like when I watched that Jake Paul fight or a
couple of things I watched, Like the quality goes in
and out sometimes, Man, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I thought the NFL's Netflix presentation was really well done.
Netflix's NFL presentation was really well done, much much better
than the Tyson Paul fight.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
I thought. I feel like they fixed a lot of.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
That was a mess right with the streaming everything else horrible.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
They fixed a lot of the glitches. But yeah, big
concern though it's gambling. It's always going to be the
buffering with streaming and gambling. Like it's still not there
yet where that's got to be figured out because otherwise
people aren't gonna live bet a lot of those games.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Well, I mean I know this. If you want some
Daytona gambling advice, finally hit, finally hit after all these years.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
There was very interesting. Uh, Saints of Gray and involved
with the gambling, and Daytona was all right,
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