May 14, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin wants to remove the "America's Team" label from the Cowboys as we prepare for the full release of the NFL schedule and why it's time to stop putting Dallas in the premier time slots
He credits the Pacers for closing out their series against the Cavaliers to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals for the second straight season
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lot of the schedules that are coming out, So tonight's
going to be great. I know you're enamored with the
Bears schedule. I understand it. I'm really interested in the
forty nine Ers schedule, but I you know, it's funny
and we'll get to the NBA here in a second.
But it's funny that you know how the NBA they're
struggling to move off Lebron at Christmas right, It's like
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I'm watching these playoffs, you know who's not involved Lebron,
and I'm glued to the TV set like the NBA
needs to next Christmas. I don't need Lebron anymore, and
I thought i'd start the show with that. I think
the NFL, and because it's so powerful, the media hates
power being concentrated in one business or a few hands.
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So the media has always been tougher on the NFL
and more congratulatory and softer on the NBA or baseball.
They're tough on the NFL. Roger Goodell. Roger Goodell's really smart.
It's a really well run league. I thought they made
a rare scheduling mistake. Cowboys are in the opener at Philly,
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a game they never win. In fact, if you go
look at those games, the Cowboys are one in five
in their last six against Philadelphia. And this is the
best Eagles roster in long time, and it's the worst
Cowboys roster in a long time. I don't need to
see that game. That feels like November. I do not
need to open the NFL. Now, there are games you
could open with. Then they have the Cowboys against Kansas
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City on Thanksgiving. I don't need to see that either.
Andy Reid and Mahomes against dak Off a second surgery,
and Brian Schottenheimer doesn't scream fascinating. Listen, there are traditions
like Thanksgiving, I'm not going to bail on, And then
there are traditions the Dallas Cowboys on Thanksgiving, we can
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bail on. No more Lebron on Christmas. Frankly, I'd rather
watch Tyrese Haliburton, Okay, see, and I'm sorry I would
the Knicks Boston of Tatum comes back. I'd rather watch
those teams, I really would. So it's a quarterback league.
We all know. Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kansas City. You know, the
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Bills are just more interesting to watch. And not only
do the Cowboys have a second tier head coach, maybe
third tier. Dak's off a second surgery, and so Dak
has become much less dynamic as an athlete. He's a
little bit like Aaron Rodgers. Now you know the name,
the paid check is more fascinating than the player. Dak's
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kind of boring. Great guy, great leader. Dak's kind of boring.
The Cowboys are kind of boring. And I was looking
at the numbers last year, and I've been saying this
now for two years. Kansas City is America's team everywhere
I go, I see chief stuff. So last year, the
most watched team in the NFL was Kansas City. The
second most watched team in the NFL was Detroit, and
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then the Cowboys are now tied for third with San Francisco, Buffalo,
and Baltimore. Those teams this year will surpass the Cowboys
because they'll be in more big games, and so the
Cowboys will be the fifth most watched NFL team by
the end of this year, maybe sixth. And the only
thing keeping the Cowboys TV numbers up is networks putting
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them on and the NFL putting them on more. It's
really the NFL. What's the Netw're gonna do? You jam
them on Thanksgiving? You jam him in the opener. There's
nothing NBC can do. So this is one of these things.
The Cowboys were not a top twenty team last year offensively,
and they were thirtieth defensively. And I think the NFL
is usually incredibly proactive, but the openers should have been
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maybe Detroit and Philadelphia the two best rosters in the NFC.
Get Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen somewhere on that the idea
that Dallas has earned that spot it's Lakers on Christmas.
Who cares? At some point, you've got to introduce people
because I understand those one o'clock games, there's a lot
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of games on simultaneously in the NFL. You got to
start introducing people, and not only that, but marketing, pushing
and promote Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen every opportunity. By
the way, I'm not even mentioning Jaden Daniels, who I'm
fascinated to watch much more than Dak. And you know
what this felt like by the NFL. Remember when Apple
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inserted the U two album on your iPod and you
didn't want it and you couldn't get rid of it,
and there was a backlash. That's what I feel about
the Cowboys. They're going to get beat by Philadelphia. They're
gonna get beat on Thanksgiving. I went and looked at
their Thanksgiving numbers. Of the last twelve games that Dallas
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Cowboys have played on Thanksgiving, five of them have been
double digit losses. Okay, that does not scream get this
team on television. Same with the Lakers. There's just better
products out there. Speaking of better products, Oklahoma City in
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a very competitive series. I mean, last night was a
very competitive game. I never bought into this. Denver is
just gonna you know, you have the best player in
the world with Jokich, It's gonna be a competitive series.
The odds will lead you to believe it was gonna
be it was gonna be a sweep or a gentleman's sweep,
and it wasn't. Okac one last night, could have lost,
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game was tied late. So congrats to OKC. Beautiful roster construction.
And that's really what the league is about now. It's
about roster construction. Remember a few years ago, five years ago,
it was like, hey man, you just got to get
three great players put together. New CBA doesn't allow that.
All these aprons can't do that anymore. It's about roster construction. Boston, OKC,
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what Houston and San Antonio are doing. It's not about
getting Luca and Lebron and let's see if we can
get Yannis. Doesn't allow you to do that anymore. So
the story's not just Oka. See congrats to them. They're
gonna be great for a long time. The story is Denver.
They're becoming if they don't make a move Milwaukee and
you don't want to be Milwaukee. Look at the teams
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right now that think they're better than they are Milwaukee
the last three years, the Clippers and the Lakers. Denver's
not there yet. Because of Jokich, They're getting close. He
is two hundred and eighty five pounds of duct tape.
They don't have a general manager, interim coach. It's time.
Outside of Aaron Gordon, who is hyperathletic, it's time to
move off everybody but Jokisch. Y'll kitch Aaron Gordon. I
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would move or consider moving everybody because the Murray contract,
Michael Porter, you're locked into that stuff. And they have
value and they have moments, especially Jamal Murray. But I mean,
yoll kitchen. This series is putting up games that haven't
been duplicated since Wilt. You like multiple forty fifteen to
five games that's Wilt. And meanwhile Oklahoma City has a
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one SGA, has an ascending to Chet Holmgren, has a
Swiss army knife in Jalen Williams, and then has like
multiple four or five high end rotational players. If Jokic
isn't feeling it, this team's not. I mean, they have
no offense. You saw him in one of the earlier
games in this series when Yokic, he's this guy. Guys
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bouncing off him didn't have much. They don't have much.
So and I think what happens in this league is
if you go look at the NBA, and this is
what I love about sports, not just the games. I
love the cultural changes. I love analytics. I would prefer analytics.
I think people have gone too far into analytics and
the NBA. Now the New York Knicks are a great example.
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Are going to beat the analytics team. Everybody loves Boston
because analytics hitting an occasional three, but really about physicality, leadership,
resilient toughness, Analytics to meet are analytics thirty forty percent
and then sixty percent Dudes in May or in the NFL,
dudes in December and January, or in baseball in October.
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And I think what happens is we're seeing something in
the NBA happen where it used to be kind of
an easy solve. If you were in beautiful Miami or
Los Angeles, Hey, let's just go get three guys, Wade, Lebron, Bosh.
Let's go get Anthony Davis and Lebron. You could just
couple up guys. Phoenix tried this and then Phoenix found out,
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Oh the culture, the sand is moving beneath our feet,
all these multiple aprons, all the new CBA. It is
all about roster construction, flexibility, lots of picks. You want
to be Houston, OKC, Utah and San Antonio. Boston's been great,
but they now because of the Tatum injury, they now
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have to make big moves and it's not I'll just
give you an example of this is that since the
twenty twenty one Aaron Gordon acquisition, Denver hasn't made any moves.
They haven't making any They're losing guys. They keep losing guys.
No big swings. They need a massive swing. Jokish Gordon,
move the furniture, get new furniture. And I was thinking
about this this morning. Is that Denver did have a
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GM about four years ago. Three years ago, we were
looking at Denver like we look at OKC. We're like, oh,
could they win four titles? They lost. Tim Connolly was
their GM. Since he's left, he went to Minnesota. What
team is now surging surprisingly in the NBA West. His
team Minnesota and their roster construction. So it is now
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become NBA is becoming the NFL. Start learning who the
gms are. Guy built Denver leaves go to Minnesota. Minnesota
now is Denver. It was Yokich. They've got Aunt, They've
got their ascending star. And I just think right now,
if Denver does not take a big swing, there are
three teams in the West, and I think they think
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they're better than they are. The old Warriors, the old Clippers,
and the old Lakers. They have no chance to win
a title. Denver doesn't either, but they're not yet Milwaukee
because Jokich is Wilt, He's literally unstoppable. But I think
what's happening is we're seeing we're seeing a seed change
in the NBA with the new CBA. They're not going
to be any dynasties. They're even Oka. See, they're not
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going to be any dynasties. The big three landing in
your city don't matter. Advantage. Best front offices win, and
that's what you see in the NFL. Look who's winning
in the NFL Little market, Kansas City, little market, Green Bay,
little market, Buffalo, little market. Did I say Baltimore, New York?
Team stink front offices run the NFL? That never happened
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in my life. It was always about getting the star,
the new Aprons, the new CBA. It's all about roster construction.
Denver needs its next superstar GM or they're the Bucks
by the middle of next year. That's what they are.
And congratulations to Oka see their future is unbelievable. They
just keep rolling guys out, six or seven high end
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rotational players. Here's Jokis by the way, after the loss.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Only game, the second game was the kind of blowout,
and every other it was kind of interesting game. We
were there, so I think we have a chance, and uh,
we will play our best Nicole hopefully, you know. I
see it's a player. If it's a it's a series meets,
it's every game is different. So I think even to
day we had chances. We were up twelve in one moment,
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so we just couldn't cann couldn't finish, gonna make shot.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But one of the reasons they don't finish as well
is because Oklahoma City has so much energy at the
end of these games. Yes, Denver is the best player,
Oklahoma City's got the roster and they just have fresher
players at the end of games. This is not to
say that Denver couldn't have taken it seven. But when
you watch these games, you had a you you could
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see the energy of ok K C Laighton games. It
was obvious and they deserve to win this thing. Man,
all those NBA players that said Halliburton was the most
overrated player in the league, J maac, this has been team.
So jmack was on Halliburton, was it two or three
years ago? And then he had a hamstring pull and
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that slowed his pace and he's a guy that needs pace.
He was not quite the same player for half the year.
But boy, you talk about you talk about a difference
maker that kid is. I mean, they just took Cleveland out.
You have to be surprised by how they took him out.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, nobody expected it to be done in five games.
But that being said, you know, you could just see
the Cavs were not the same team in the playoffs
that they were in the regular season. And you've alluded
to this that regular season in the NBA. Just just
forget it. Next year when we're handicapping the playoffs, just
ignore sixty four win teams because it just doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
All right. Coming up next, By the way, PFF, who
I often disagree with, is aligned with us top to
bottom on the off seasons that will turn losers into
winners and winners into losers. In the NFL three teams
I'm paying attention to they are as well.
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Speaker 1 (14:14):
Welcome back Tonight's NFL schedule release. A lot of implications
for the Chicago Bears. Can't wait for some of the
games are trickling out. Jmck will have more on that.
So there was this NBA and I really like this poll.
Every year they come out with the NBA Player Poll,
anonymous poll, and I think they mostly it's gms, it's players,
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all this stuff and they voted on a bunch of
stuff and they usually get a lot of it right.
One of the things they got wrong this year most
overrated player. NBA players are petty, very like provincial. They
protect their space and their guys. They had Tyrese Halliburton
of the Pacers who just mowed to Cleveland in five games.
They had him as the most overrated player. Yeah, I
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mean you're a clown. I mean, listen, he is exactly
what an NBA star should be. The Pacers had six
guys in this series average double figures, and he's not
bothered by it. He encourages it. I could name five
NBA stars that wouldn't like that, Like Embiid Harden. They
need the ball. Halliburton doesn't end up with that many assists,
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but he's always sharing the ball. You only had I
think six assists last night. It doesn't matter. He controls pace.
He's mature, high iq high EQ. I said this two
weeks ago. Indiana is fun to watch. I don't know
how great they are. They're fun to watch, and the
NBA fanboys have been selling me on Harden and Jahn
Morant and LaMelo Ball. They're fun. Not building my franchise
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around those guys. I mean, Embiid and Harden melt in May.
They just melt. This kid's been in the playoffs twice.
He'll They'll be in the Eastern Conference Finals for the
second time. Because again, ascending productive, mature, doesn't get insecure.
If a player goes off and he doesn't like he
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wants to win the game. I always defended Lebron James On.
This is that for years and years people would bang
on Lebron because he wouldn't take the final shot. And
my take is no, he would get the best basketball shot.
And when you're being double teamed, and if Shane Battier's
open or Ray Allen's open, or j R. Smith is
open on the wing with a wide open nineteen footer,
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pass the ball. It's not that difficult of a concept
to grasp. But the NBA media sells flash and fluff.
I'm looking for Jalen Brunson. I'm looking for Halliburton. I'm
looking for maturity, selflessness, and I like, I don't know
if there's a clutch gene, but there is something about
Brunson having played in so many big tournament games at
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Villanova now in New York. He's just built for the moment.
And Halliburton. You take out that hamstring injury when he
had like a bad I think it was the second
half of the season when he came down. The guy's
just better every time I watch him. He cares about
the right stuff. He's great in the big moments, and
it's it's I just don't understand you keep selling me
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in this league LaMelo Ball, that's not a winning player.
Halliburton's a winning player. Brunson is a winning player. And
here's here's the guy who won the series last night.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, I mean, I know who I am, we know
who we are. Not worried about outside noise. But it's
a big win, a special win.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
We're not done yet.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
You know, we got another series here coming up, and we.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Got to be prepared. You know, our goal wasn't to
get back to.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
THESS finals like Goals won the championship, and nobody has
to believe that as long as we do in the
locker room and all the people cheering for us. So
we just stayed within him. Man, keep playing pacer basketball
and live with the results.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
For the record, some of this is just our culture.
Halla Burton's got one point two million followers on ig,
LaMelo Ball has ten and a half. He's got cool cars.
I don't have a problem with that. You could have
nice stuff. I don't mind players being flashy. When I
was a kid, there was a player named World B
Free go look him up. I loved him. He wasn't
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a winning player, right, I loved him. Doctor J was
a winning player and flashy. I don't mind Flash. I
love Michael Jordan. I loved Magic over Bird. I like Flash,
but you got to be a winning player. Remember a
white chocolate Jason Williams Remember him, Oh, I got the
talk of the league. He's not a winning player. Fun,
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but you've been selling me a lot of this fluff.
You've been selling me guys. Derrick Rose was another guy.
I like Derrick Rose. I'm not building my franchise around
a six to two guy who has a small frame
that can't really shoot jumpers. He could later in his
career after multiple injuries when he was forced to. So
I've said this before. When you're six or four under,
if you can't shoot, I'm not interested. I'm just not
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you have a role. I'm not building around you. Kyrie
can shoot, Steph can shoot, Jaylen Brunson can shoot. If
you're a smaller player, i'll take you. You got to
be able to hit jumpers. Otherwise you're going to have
to drive the basket. You're gonna get hurt. Halliburton is
not that flashy, but when you watch him play, you
always feel like with Indiana, there's no wasted possessions. We
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talk about this all the time. You watch college basketball,
the national champions Florida Gators will have seven straight wasted
possessions and they have an NBA guard. When you watch Indiana,
you always feel like they've got a plan, they execute it.
They're not the most talented roster. They're top six or seven,
maybe top five, but it's like this to me is
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the players I want to build around. They're not consumed
with points. They're consumed with execution and winning. And you
know now he has He has won eighth the Instagram
followers of guys with cooler stuff, which I'm not opposed to.
If I had a lot of money when I was
twenty three, well I wouldn't have cool stuff because I
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have no style. But I'm okay with a little flash.
But let's remember that all sports, that's like second, third, fourth,
punch winning efficiency, Elevating others are the first three. J
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Speaker 3 (20:14):
I wish we could start with a better story, Colin,
but unfortunately it's official.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Jason Tatum had achilles surgery. It's over.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
There's no timetable for his return. Obviously, next season will
be a challenge, Colin. I mean it's like a ten
to twelve month injury, So there's a chance, there's a
small chance, I would say ten to twenty percent, we
don't see Tatum at all next year. Jalen Brunson of
the Knicks spoke about what Tatum means in the league.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I feel for him.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
It's an unfortunate situation for a player like him. The
league needs, uh Jason Tatum. What he's being able to
do in his career has been remarkable, and so he
still has a long long way to go in his career.
I mean, he still had a lot to do in
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his career, meaning he has a lot of time left
to make an impact and make a name for his legacy.
And he's just raised on as special. So when you
see a player like that go down, it's just it's
not good for the game.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's not and we don't lose a lot of great
basketball players for a year. But it also I think
signals to Boston it is a perfect time with new
ownership and they are up against it. They're going to
be a very active team in the postseason. They tend
to be proactive, not reactive. So you know, Tatum is
obviously the backbone of the franchise and should be. It
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doesn't happen much when a really great team makes moves,
but Boston's the opposite of Milwaukee. They are really proactive.
So I think it's a perfect time to say, listen,
Jason's not coming back. We're good without Jason. We're a
playoff team without Jason. Our net rating is fine, but
we're getting Porzingis and al Horford. I think it's a
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perfect time step back, reboot the franchise with new owners,
and that's what Boston has done. They could have kept
with Marcus Smart j Mack, and they didn't. They just
tried to keep adding pieces. So it'll probably be a
step back here. They'll still be a playoff team. They're
just two They're just too deep and too many good players.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, so I think the connection with Tatum here would
be Kevin Durant. Remember when he popped his achilles in
the NBA Finals against the Raptors.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Now that was early June, so about.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
A month a month later than now, But he missed
the entire next season, remember, and that kind of changed
the course of his career.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Calling he did leave the REP the Warriors went.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
To the net, sat out, he wasn't one hundred percent
Kevin Durant, but he was a little older twenty nine.
I believe when he popped it, he still got back
to being an All NBA player at MVP Internet and
all that. So I think Tatum, who just turned twenty seven,
can get there, right. I mean, he's been All NBA
four first team four years in a row.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, he's fine. I think I think he okay, right, Yeah,
I think he's in impeccable shape. He's in just beginning
the prime of his career for the next seven years.
When Kad got hurt, Katie has a different body type.
Kd is longer and thinner. Katie had had multiple small,
annoying injuries. Like Jason, Tatum is more strongly built. He's
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going into his prime. He's probably now in the second
to third He's probably in the second year of his prime,
I would say, so that means about six more years
of prime. I think Tatum. I think Tatum. The decision
they'll have to make next year is Boston's going to
be a playoff team. They're too well run, too many
good players, even if they move aut of furniture. But
the question will be do you bring him back next year,
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depending on the moves. But I think I just think
guys like Tatum, that body it is, he is finely
tuned in. He's one of the better. Like work ethics.
I told you I've been to multiple Celtic games. First
guy out, he's an incredible, impeccable shape. I think he
will return. They'll have to make a decision. Do we
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just we just take away next year's title.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
He's got that Kobe mentality.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But Colin.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
The other interesting thing is look big picture at the East.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Okay, Yiannis.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Let's say he goes West, Spurs, Rockets, whomever. Who's set
up to take the crown in the East? My Knicks maybe,
I mean Pacers, the Cavs, you know, kind of got extinguished.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
I don't know. But listen, you said Boston's playoff team
without Tatum.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I'd agree. I don't think they're the number one team
in the East without him.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Right, it could be there time to the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
They've been fine without him in short bursts, right, But
when you can prepare over the course of eighty two games,
everybody is a better team with Jason Tatum. But if
he misses four games, you can win three because of
their their their math formula. So you know, and I've
said this before, when Jokis leaves, Denver's not built to compete,
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that's because Boston has a better front office.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Let's go to the next oryc On the Dallas Mavericks
one the draft lottery, there was a lot of initial talk,
Hey man, they could trade the number one pick and
get Giannis and Perryiannis with a D and Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Uh uh.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
The latest out.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Of Dallas is that the MAVs will not be trading
Cooper Flag. The report adds that MAVs Governor Patrick Dumont
believes the opportunity to draft draft Cooper Flag is a gift.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
I would agree.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't think they're gonna trade Cooper Flag. I don't
see that happening. This guy could become a next big
time star, obviously, you know, we don't.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
We don't want to talk too much about what they
could do.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
But I think an Anthony Davis trade is more likely
than a Cooper Flag trade. But maybe they stand pat
look at this starting lineup colin next year, probably post
All Star break, when Kyrie's back. Kyrie, but Flag, a
D and Lively, that's formidable.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Think about this, This is very unique for Dallas. So
their three big stars have been international international. Novitsky in national,
Luca now Steve Nash Canadian wasn't as big a star
when they moved him. But it's like this is a
domestic not only a domestic star, it's duke. So to me,
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that is Dallas has sort of been internationally led. It
feels like for like fifteen to twenty years they've been
more of an international team because they've been an international
star and they deserve Mark Cuban and they deserve credit.
They've never been led. Maybe it was Rolando Blackman years ago,
you know, thirty years ago, whatever it was, they don't
really have. This is their first like star, domestic star
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they're going to be led by. To me, it feels
like it now Dirt got older, they had different players,
but like I think for the next ten years having
a duke star in Dallas, I'm not moving that. No,
I'm not moving that at all.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Yeah, one hundred percent with you.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Final story Conn is to the NFL with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
You know they recently moved off George Pickens, sending him
to Dallas. Well, Cam Hayward discussed the trade, and although
he was surprised by the move, he brought up Pittsburgh's
track record of moving off their wide receivers.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
We got a look track record with trading wide receivers.
There's been, you know, some good history behind this and
when to do it, what to expect. I was looking
at a stat it was like, there's only been like
three receiver, three or four receivers that made it past
the rookie contracts with the Steelers. They know when to
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re sign and win to trade and you know, we'll
see what happens. We could be a better team because
of it.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But you know what, Kansas City's done this too. They've
taken receivers that are red flags. There's some concerns and
they've had problems. I think it's so distracting. I think
Andy Reid and Mahomes can overcome it. But all the
receivers that the Steelers draft with drama, I think ab
was a bit of a surprise, but a lot of
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times you kind of knew what you were getting. And
to me, it's like like teams like the Packers, they
just take those players off their draft board. The Rams
take those players off the draft board. The problem with inheriting,
drafting or trading for dramatic players. It's the same thing
at work. We have a great staff at the Herd.
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If we had one diva. Now I know what you're saying, Colin,
it's you, But if you had somebody on the staff
that was it's amazing. It can take one person to
ruin a room. Yeah, and so in the end, when
you have one or two players and it feels like
the Steelers always do that, you're spending time babysitting them
and they add at tension and an anxiety. The Packers
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don't put players like this on their board. The Rams
are very much character first, and I just think it
creates a better environment, less needy, less maintenance. It's hard
enough to win the NFL. When you're distracted, it makes
it even harder. So these issues are Steelers issues, and
they've known some of these were coming when they drafted them.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
And you know who else has some of these issues,
not to the level of Pickens, but the quarterback that
they're chasing who still has not locked in. Now the
schedule is coming out today, We're waiting for a certain
quarterback to lock into. The Steelers may not happen.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Maybe he's gonna wait and so he can travel more.
Maybe an Egypt trip is on the horizon. I don't know,
But Pittsburgh just continues to me to be just a mess.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Jamak with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd line news. So PFF came
out they graded all thirty two teams on their off
season coaching hires, free agency, and draft picks, and those
are all substantial. We know football is the coaching sport.
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Most teams overspending free agency, but you know, you know,
when the Rams got staff effort, it did make a difference.
When you know, trades or free agency, when the Bucks
got Brady sort of made a difference. And the draft,
I do think is worth A good draft is worth
a winneror two, especially if you shore up your pass rush,
your offensive line. So PFF and I and I may
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struggle like everybody else in America picking against the spread, okay,
but I do take pride in the fact that over
the last four years I've been pretty good at taking
bad teams and predicting they'll be much better. The Vikings,
the Rams you thought were going to rebuild Denver and
Washington last year. And I also I think have done
a pretty good job saying this team is peaked Dallas
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two years ago, San Francisco last year. So I agree
with PFF across the board. They like what Arizona's done,
which I said, this is a really good defensive coach
and they went all in on defense this draft and
free agency. I think Arizona is going to be a
tough out. They like what the Bears have done again
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quarterbacks young shore up the interior, zero line, and the
coaching staff leans offensive. They love what New England's done.
Frabel staff money, they'll be on much better defense, and
they don't like the team that I have said for
the last year. I love John Lynch, I know him.
I love Kyle Shanahan. I think the Niners are a huge,
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magnificent brand. They gave the Niners a D they lost
Devo hufunga Greenlaw and instead they went heavy on the
defensive line. They still don't have a good offensive line,
and they're going to overpay for Brock Purty. So I've
said this. My knock on the Niners is I am
seeing something I saw the last three to four or
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five years with Seattle and Pete Carroll, and with Belichick
in his last five years, Belichick got too much power,
and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Belichick was drafting like
coaches draft, not like a GM and Pete Carroll, who
I think is doing a great job of the Raiders.
But when Paul Allen died there was a void, he
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seized it. John Snyder almost left. I didn't like the
Seahawks drafts for several years and set it on draft Day.
The last two to three drafts that have been John
Snyder drafts, I love the Seahawks roster. Coaches tend to
draft to solve tomorrow GM's draft with a vision down
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the road. That's why Green Bay to me drafts as
well as anybody in the last thirty years in this league.
They're drafting first round players they're not going to play
in three years. That's why they're Oh, was good. Belichick
would grab a guard because he needed a guard, but
he would reach around, as the Rams pointed out one time,
to get a guard. That's not who you draft. Yeah,
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maybe he can solve an issue. You kept reaching on players.
So this is what I see with the Niners. When
I watched the Niners last two drafts. I see a
coach trying to solve issues for the season opener. I
don't see a vision drafted too many wide receivers. You've
got enough already. Stop with the wide receivers and the
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big contracts. So I think when I like a prime
example this year, I think Seattle John Snyder is one
of the best gms. He drafted a quarterback after just
signing a quarterback. Why would you do that? Because he
wants Jalen Milroe in two years if Darnold hasn't reached
the level he thinks he can. He wants Jalen Milroe,
hyper athletic, to be ready to play. That's how you draft.
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That's how Jordan loves. Aaron gets older and prickly, that's
how you draft Aaron as Brett Farr was nearing, you know,
the twilight of his career. What you don't do is
go grab a running back in the first round because
you need a running back, but actually he Rashad Penny
should probably be a late second round draft, not a
late first round draft. Or go grab a guard in
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New England because it solves a problem for the season opener.
But that's not really the best for the team long term.
That's why Belichick leaves. And the roster's got no juice.
It's one of the worst rosters. He kept drafting for
the game, not the future. And so I Arizona, New England, Chicago,
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they're gonna be really good teams next year. And I
think San Francisco, you guys think I'm nuts on this.
They peaked, don't love the roster, don't love the offensive line,
and they're gonna overpay for party coming up next. The
Belichick thing is getting wilder by the day. Every day
I come in, there's a Jordan Hunts, Jordan Hudson Belichick story,
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Speaker 1 (36:01):
Listen transitions are hard for people. And I'm not a
real political talker, but Doge is a transition. It's messy,
it's turbulent, it alienates people. But to argue our government
is efficient and lean is laughable. I'm gonna wait and
see how it plays out. College football, similarly, is going
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through a massive transition, the nil, the transfer portal. It's wild,
but it is also a great opportunity. The only way
little guys can ever catch the big guys Ubert a
taxi is to be a disruptor, is to do it differently.
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And so North Carolina to catch Clemson. Has said, well,
Clemson is digging their feet in to the old model,
no nil, no transfers. Carolina is a basketball school, and
Carolina is thinking, well, this is our moment, big old
dog with traditional advantages, diging their feet in the sand.
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We're going to go one hundred percent pro model. We're
going to do the opposite of Clemson. And that's why
I'm supporting Carolina. Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick is there's
a story out, you know, yesterday Bill's talking, he's promoting
the book, and Bill said he didn't have anything to
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do with North Carolina football, which is, you know, kind
of true, kind of not. But the truth is what
Carolina did and I respect it. They said, Bill, take
us to the pro model. Bill, take us to the
pro model, and Bill's doing it. It isn't absolutely a
pro model right now. And I respect that. And Oregon
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did this year's ago when I covered Oregon, Oregon trailed
USC and Washington and maybe at the time Ucla and
Oregon said we're gonna have a thousand uniforms, a different
one every Saturday, and we're going to hire a coach
from New Hampshire, and we're gonna have a play every
thirteen seconds with no huddles. And Oregon now is looking
down at USC, Washington and UCLA. The only way for
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the little guys to catch up to the big guys
is to do things differently. Here's Belichick on the stories
about Jordan Hudson getting in the way of North Carolina football.
Really off to the side.
Speaker 11 (38:27):
It's a personal relationship and she doesn't have anything to
do with at UNC football. I'm excited to be back
in the coaches meetings and getting ready for you know,
June and then augustly at the training camp.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
What Jordan Hudson is is a catalyst for change, and
what Bill Belichick is is that change. And when I
hired Mike Lombardi. Mike Lombardi's one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
I know Mike.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
He's a hundred percent of an NFL guy. So I
look at Carolina like I look at Colorado with like
I look at Oregon with Chef Kelly. How does Colorado
catch a BYU? How do they catch And I'm not
saying Colorado's gonna catch Alabama, but baby steps. Carolina is
a basketball school. That's all they are. They're a basketball
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school and the only way for them to catch at Clemson.
Speaker 8 (39:19):
Is this.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Now, j Mac, on a daily basis, you have gone
back and forth on Belichick and Jordan Hudson and Carolina.
But do you buy My argument is this is how
the little guy catches a big guy. They look at Clemson,
who's dug their feet in, and they said, we're going
the opposite of Clemson.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
When I had the website, the Big League, you remember
that I couldn't just cover sports the way the mainstream
media covered sports. I had to find certain angles that
would get me to get attraction and people would notice
the website. So, just like UNC going a different route,
I had to That's the way the underdog always operates.
I will say, though, Colin, this whole Udi pageant stuff,
(40:01):
and it is getting a little weird in the timing
of all of it coming out just as he's promoting
a book and now she's getting.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Offered dancing with the stars. Colin, Man, I know you
like this story. I'm just troubled by it.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I don't know, Man, Well, we talked about this yesterday
when I heard the story about family concerns about Belichick.
This is not a guy in the basement. You have
to feed soft foods too. He's making ten million, he's
got control of the program, and they brought him in.
Let's be honest. They brought Bill Belichick in for a
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pro model. This is what, by the way, Alabama was Saban.
Saban saw the change. He didn't want to wait around
until it was an entirely pro model. I mean, one
of the reasons Saban liked college over the NFL is
he liked the college model where he had more control,
and once the players can transfer and need to be paid,
it's more of a pro model. And Saban's like, no,
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I dominated the old model.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Mike Krzyzewski, Jay Wright saw this. Jay Wright and Mike
Krzyzewski the Mike was getting to the age you retire.
But Jay Williams, Jay Wright could have coached for another
five years. But Jay's like, I don't want to be
an NBA coach. This is a little Dabosweeney. I want
to be a college coach. I built the college power,
the sports changing. It's like, I'm good with it. I'll
broadcast it, but I don't want to be in it.
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I respect that. But Caroline is just saying, we want
to beat Clemson. To beat Clemson, we can't be Clemson, right,
we got to go. Oregon used to look up at
USC my entire life. They looked up at Washington and
Washington and USC had these traditional helmets and these traditional uniforms,
and Washington got all upset years ago when they decided
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to change the Husky pants to white for a game.
People freaked out. Oregon's like, we're gonna have a million uniforms,
and I just I look at this whole thing. And
by the way, transition is messy. We're seeing it in
government now. Some will work, some won't, The cutch will
be too deep, we'll be problems. But when you're trying
to make a radical change, like Carolina, this stuff there's turbulence,
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it's going to be a bumpy flight. So I kind
of look at Jordan Hudson and I'm like, this is
part of She's a catalyst. Bill's a catalyst, the NFL
models a catalyst, and Carolina is a basketball school. So
I'm gonna support all the mess.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
That's a good point, you know, an idea for MS Hudson.
Perhaps she could gift I don't know, a private jet
to North Carolina for the basketball coach and everyone else
to use, and then she wins them over. You know,
I hear that's a good move to make to kind
of appease people who are coming after you.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
I don't know it's an option for Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
A Listen. That felt a little snarky to me, but
I do appreciate it. Here on a Wednesday, Yeah, come
on and OURFL schedule release. We'll go to Boston next,
check in on Tatum, the Celtics, their future Chandler Parson
later as well. One down, two to go. We are live.
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lot of the schedules that are coming out, So tonight's
going to be great. I know you're enamored with the
Bears schedule. I understand it. I'm really interested in the
forty nine Ers schedule, but I you know, it's funny
and we'll get to the NBA here in a second.
But it's funny that you know how the NBA they're
struggling to move off Lebron at Christmas right, It's like
(01:08):
I'm watching these playoffs, you know who's not involved Lebron,
and I'm glued to the TV set like the NBA
needs to next Christmas. I don't need Lebron anymore, and
I thought i'd start the show with that. I think
the NFL, and because it's so powerful, the media hates
power being concentrated in one business or a few hands.
(01:29):
So the media has always been tougher on the NFL
and more congratulatory and softer on the NBA or baseball.
They're tough on the NFL. Roger Goodell. Roger Goodell's really smart.
It's a really well run league. I thought they made
a rare scheduling mistake. Cowboys are in the opener at Philly,
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a game they never win. In fact, if you go
look at those games, the Cowboys are one in five
in their last six against Philadelphia. And this is the
best Eagles roster in long time, and it's the worst
Cowboys roster in a long time. I don't need to
see that game. That feels like November. I do not
need to open the NFL. Now, there are games you
could open with. Then they have the Cowboys against Kansas
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City on Thanksgiving. I don't need to see that either.
Andy Reid and Mahomes against dak Off a second surgery,
and Brian Schottenheimer doesn't scream fascinating. Listen, there are traditions
like Thanksgiving, I'm not going to bail on, And then
there are traditions the Dallas Cowboys on Thanksgiving, we can
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bail on. No more Lebron on Christmas. Frankly, I'd rather
watch Tyrese Haliburton, Okay, see, and I'm sorry I would
the Knicks Boston of Tatum comes back. I'd rather watch
those teams, I really would. So it's a quarterback league.
We all know. Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kansas City. You know, the
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Bills are just more interesting to watch. And not only
do the Cowboys have a second tier head coach, maybe
third tier. Dak's off a second surgery, and so Dak
has become much less dynamic as an athlete. He's a
little bit like Aaron Rodgers. Now you know the name,
the paid check is more fascinating than the player. Dak's
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kind of boring. Great guy, great leader. Dak's kind of boring.
The Cowboys are kind of boring. And I was looking
at the numbers last year, and I've been saying this
now for two years. Kansas City is America's team everywhere
I go, I see chief stuff. So last year, the
most watched team in the NFL was Kansas City. The
second most watched team in the NFL was Detroit, and
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then the Cowboys are now tied for third with San Francisco, Buffalo,
and Baltimore. Those teams this year will surpass the Cowboys
because they'll be in more big games, and so the
Cowboys will be the fifth most watched NFL team by
the end of this year, maybe sixth. And the only
thing keeping the Cowboys TV numbers up is networks putting
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them on and the NFL putting them on more. It's
really the NFL. What's the Netw're gonna do? You jam
them on Thanksgiving? You jam him in the opener. There's
nothing NBC can do. So this is one of these things.
The Cowboys were not a top twenty team last year offensively,
and they were thirtieth defensively. And I think the NFL
is usually incredibly proactive, but the openers should have been
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maybe Detroit and Philadelphia the two best rosters in the NFC.
Get Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen somewhere on that the idea
that Dallas has earned that spot it's Lakers on Christmas.
Who cares? At some point, you've got to introduce people
because I understand those one o'clock games, there's a lot
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of games on simultaneously in the NFL. You got to
start introducing people, and not only that, but marketing, pushing
and promote Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen every opportunity. By
the way, I'm not even mentioning Jaden Daniels, who I'm
fascinated to watch much more than Dak. And you know
what this felt like by the NFL. Remember when Apple
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inserted the U two album on your iPod and you
didn't want it and you couldn't get rid of it,
and there was a backlash. That's what I feel about
the Cowboys. They're going to get beat by Philadelphia. They're
gonna get beat on Thanksgiving. I went and looked at
their Thanksgiving numbers. Of the last twelve games that Dallas
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Cowboys have played on Thanksgiving, five of them have been
double digit losses. Okay, that does not scream get this
team on television. Same with the Lakers. There's just better
products out there. Speaking of better products, Oklahoma City in
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a very competitive series. I mean, last night was a
very competitive game. I never bought into this. Denver is
just gonna you know, you have the best player in
the world with Jokich, It's gonna be a competitive series.
The odds will lead you to believe it was gonna
be it was gonna be a sweep or a gentleman's sweep,
and it wasn't. Okac one last night, could have lost,
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game was tied late. So congrats to OKC. Beautiful roster construction.
And that's really what the league is about now. It's
about roster construction. Remember a few years ago, five years ago,
it was like, hey man, you just got to get
three great players put together. New CBA doesn't allow that.
All these aprons can't do that anymore. It's about roster construction. Boston, OKC,
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what Houston and San Antonio are doing. It's not about
getting Luca and Lebron and let's see if we can
get Yannis. Doesn't allow you to do that anymore. So
the story's not just Oka. See congrats to them. They're
gonna be great for a long time. The story is Denver.
They're becoming if they don't make a move Milwaukee and
you don't want to be Milwaukee. Look at the teams
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right now that think they're better than they are Milwaukee
the last three years, the Clippers and the Lakers. Denver's
not there yet. Because of Jokich, They're getting close. He
is two hundred and eighty five pounds of duct tape.
They don't have a general manager, interim coach. It's time.
Outside of Aaron Gordon, who is hyperathletic, it's time to
move off everybody but Jokisch. Y'll kitch Aaron Gordon. I
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would move or consider moving everybody because the Murray contract,
Michael Porter, you're locked into that stuff. And they have
value and they have moments, especially Jamal Murray. But I mean,
yoll kitchen. This series is putting up games that haven't
been duplicated since Wilt. You like multiple forty fifteen to
five games that's Wilt. And meanwhile Oklahoma City has a
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one SGA, has an ascending to Chet Holmgren, has a
Swiss army knife in Jalen Williams, and then has like
multiple four or five high end rotational players. If Jokic
isn't feeling it, this team's not. I mean, they have
no offense. You saw him in one of the earlier
games in this series when Yokic, he's this guy. Guys
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bouncing off him didn't have much. They don't have much.
So and I think what happens in this league is
if you go look at the NBA, and this is
what I love about sports, not just the games. I
love the cultural changes. I love analytics. I would prefer analytics.
I think people have gone too far into analytics and
the NBA. Now the New York Knicks are a great example.
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Are going to beat the analytics team. Everybody loves Boston
because analytics hitting an occasional three, but really about physicality, leadership,
resilient toughness, Analytics to meet are analytics thirty forty percent
and then sixty percent Dudes in May or in the NFL,
dudes in December and January, or in baseball in October.
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And I think what happens is we're seeing something in
the NBA happen where it used to be kind of
an easy solve. If you were in beautiful Miami or
Los Angeles, Hey, let's just go get three guys, Wade, Lebron, Bosh.
Let's go get Anthony Davis and Lebron. You could just
couple up guys. Phoenix tried this and then Phoenix found out,
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Oh the culture, the sand is moving beneath our feet,
all these multiple aprons, all the new CBA. It is
all about roster construction, flexibility, lots of picks. You want
to be Houston, OKC, Utah and San Antonio. Boston's been great,
but they now because of the Tatum injury, they now
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have to make big moves and it's not I'll just
give you an example of this is that since the
twenty twenty one Aaron Gordon acquisition, Denver hasn't made any moves.
They haven't making any They're losing guys. They keep losing guys.
No big swings. They need a massive swing. Jokish Gordon,
move the furniture, get new furniture. And I was thinking
about this this morning. Is that Denver did have a
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GM about four years ago. Three years ago, we were
looking at Denver like we look at OKC. We're like, oh,
could they win four titles? They lost. Tim Connolly was
their GM. Since he's left, he went to Minnesota. What
team is now surging surprisingly in the NBA West. His
team Minnesota and their roster construction. So it is now
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become NBA is becoming the NFL. Start learning who the
gms are. Guy built Denver leaves go to Minnesota. Minnesota
now is Denver. It was Yokich. They've got Aunt, They've
got their ascending star. And I just think right now,
if Denver does not take a big swing, there are
three teams in the West, and I think they think
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they're better than they are. The old Warriors, the old Clippers,
and the old Lakers. They have no chance to win
a title. Denver doesn't either, but they're not yet Milwaukee
because Jokich is Wilt, He's literally unstoppable. But I think
what's happening is we're seeing we're seeing a seed change
in the NBA with the new CBA. They're not going
to be any dynasties. They're even Oka. See, they're not
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going to be any dynasties. The big three landing in
your city don't matter. Advantage. Best front offices win, and
that's what you see in the NFL. Look who's winning
in the NFL Little market, Kansas City, little market, Green Bay,
little market, Buffalo, little market. Did I say Baltimore, New York?
Team stink front offices run the NFL? That never happened
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in my life. It was always about getting the star,
the new Aprons, the new CBA. It's all about roster construction.
Denver needs its next superstar GM or they're the Bucks
by the middle of next year. That's what they are.
And congratulations to Oka see their future is unbelievable. They
just keep rolling guys out, six or seven high end
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rotational players. Here's Jokis by the way, after the loss.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Only game, the second game was the kind of blowout,
and every other it was kind of interesting game. We
were there, so I think we have a chance, and uh,
we will play our best Nicole hopefully, you know. I
see it's a player. If it's a it's a series meets,
it's every game is different. So I think even to
day we had chances. We were up twelve in one moment,
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so we just couldn't cann couldn't finish, gonna make shot.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But one of the reasons they don't finish as well
is because Oklahoma City has so much energy at the
end of these games. Yes, Denver is the best player,
Oklahoma City's got the roster and they just have fresher
players at the end of games. This is not to
say that Denver couldn't have taken it seven. But when
you watch these games, you had a you you could
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see the energy of ok K C Laighton games. It
was obvious and they deserve to win this thing. Man,
all those NBA players that said Halliburton was the most
overrated player in the league, J maac, this has been team.
So jmack was on Halliburton, was it two or three
years ago? And then he had a hamstring pull and
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that slowed his pace and he's a guy that needs pace.
He was not quite the same player for half the year.
But boy, you talk about you talk about a difference
maker that kid is. I mean, they just took Cleveland out.
You have to be surprised by how they took him out.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, nobody expected it to be done in five games.
But that being said, you know, you could just see
the Cavs were not the same team in the playoffs
that they were in the regular season. And you've alluded
to this that regular season in the NBA. Just just
forget it. Next year when we're handicapping the playoffs, just
ignore sixty four win teams because it just doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
All right. Coming up next, By the way, PFF, who
I often disagree with, is aligned with us top to
bottom on the off seasons that will turn losers into
winners and winners into losers. In the NFL three teams
I'm paying attention to they are as well.
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Speaker 1 (14:14):
Welcome back Tonight's NFL schedule release. A lot of implications
for the Chicago Bears. Can't wait for some of the
games are trickling out. Jmck will have more on that.
So there was this NBA and I really like this poll.
Every year they come out with the NBA Player Poll,
anonymous poll, and I think they mostly it's gms, it's players,
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all this stuff and they voted on a bunch of
stuff and they usually get a lot of it right.
One of the things they got wrong this year most
overrated player. NBA players are petty, very like provincial. They
protect their space and their guys. They had Tyrese Halliburton
of the Pacers who just mowed to Cleveland in five games.
They had him as the most overrated player. Yeah, I
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mean you're a clown. I mean, listen, he is exactly
what an NBA star should be. The Pacers had six
guys in this series average double figures, and he's not
bothered by it. He encourages it. I could name five
NBA stars that wouldn't like that, Like Embiid Harden. They
need the ball. Halliburton doesn't end up with that many assists,
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but he's always sharing the ball. You only had I
think six assists last night. It doesn't matter. He controls pace.
He's mature, high iq high EQ. I said this two
weeks ago. Indiana is fun to watch. I don't know
how great they are. They're fun to watch, and the
NBA fanboys have been selling me on Harden and Jahn
Morant and LaMelo Ball. They're fun. Not building my franchise
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around those guys. I mean, Embiid and Harden melt in May.
They just melt. This kid's been in the playoffs twice.
He'll They'll be in the Eastern Conference Finals for the
second time. Because again, ascending productive, mature, doesn't get insecure.
If a player goes off and he doesn't like he
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wants to win the game. I always defended Lebron James On.
This is that for years and years people would bang
on Lebron because he wouldn't take the final shot. And
my take is no, he would get the best basketball shot.
And when you're being double teamed, and if Shane Battier's
open or Ray Allen's open, or j R. Smith is
open on the wing with a wide open nineteen footer,
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pass the ball. It's not that difficult of a concept
to grasp. But the NBA media sells flash and fluff.
I'm looking for Jalen Brunson. I'm looking for Halliburton. I'm
looking for maturity, selflessness, and I like, I don't know
if there's a clutch gene, but there is something about
Brunson having played in so many big tournament games at
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Villanova now in New York. He's just built for the moment.
And Halliburton. You take out that hamstring injury when he
had like a bad I think it was the second
half of the season when he came down. The guy's
just better every time I watch him. He cares about
the right stuff. He's great in the big moments, and
it's it's I just don't understand you keep selling me
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in this league LaMelo Ball, that's not a winning player.
Halliburton's a winning player. Brunson is a winning player. And
here's here's the guy who won the series last night.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, I mean, I know who I am, we know
who we are. Not worried about outside noise. But it's
a big win, a special win.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
We're not done yet.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
You know, we got another series here coming up, and we.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Got to be prepared. You know, our goal wasn't to
get back to.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
THESS finals like Goals won the championship, and nobody has
to believe that as long as we do in the
locker room and all the people cheering for us. So
we just stayed within him. Man, keep playing pacer basketball
and live with the results.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
For the record, some of this is just our culture.
Halla Burton's got one point two million followers on ig,
LaMelo Ball has ten and a half. He's got cool cars.
I don't have a problem with that. You could have
nice stuff. I don't mind players being flashy. When I
was a kid, there was a player named World B
Free go look him up. I loved him. He wasn't
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a winning player, right, I loved him. Doctor J was
a winning player and flashy. I don't mind Flash. I
love Michael Jordan. I loved Magic over Bird. I like Flash,
but you got to be a winning player. Remember a
white chocolate Jason Williams Remember him, Oh, I got the
talk of the league. He's not a winning player. Fun,
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but you've been selling me a lot of this fluff.
You've been selling me guys. Derrick Rose was another guy.
I like Derrick Rose. I'm not building my franchise around
a six to two guy who has a small frame
that can't really shoot jumpers. He could later in his
career after multiple injuries when he was forced to. So
I've said this before. When you're six or four under,
if you can't shoot, I'm not interested. I'm just not
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you have a role. I'm not building around you. Kyrie
can shoot, Steph can shoot, Jaylen Brunson can shoot. If
you're a smaller player, i'll take you. You got to
be able to hit jumpers. Otherwise you're going to have
to drive the basket. You're gonna get hurt. Halliburton is
not that flashy, but when you watch him play, you
always feel like with Indiana, there's no wasted possessions. We
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talk about this all the time. You watch college basketball,
the national champions Florida Gators will have seven straight wasted
possessions and they have an NBA guard. When you watch Indiana,
you always feel like they've got a plan, they execute it.
They're not the most talented roster. They're top six or seven,
maybe top five, but it's like this to me is
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the players I want to build around. They're not consumed
with points. They're consumed with execution and winning. And you
know now he has He has won eighth the Instagram
followers of guys with cooler stuff, which I'm not opposed to.
If I had a lot of money when I was
twenty three, well I wouldn't have cool stuff because I
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have no style. But I'm okay with a little flash.
But let's remember that all sports, that's like second, third, fourth,
punch winning efficiency, Elevating others are the first three. J
Mack of the news, Turn on the news. This is
the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I wish we could start with a better story, Colin,
but unfortunately it's official.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Jason Tatum had achilles surgery. It's over.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
There's no timetable for his return. Obviously, next season will
be a challenge, Colin. I mean it's like a ten
to twelve month injury, So there's a chance, there's a
small chance, I would say ten to twenty percent, we
don't see Tatum at all next year. Jalen Brunson of
the Knicks spoke about what Tatum means in the league.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I feel for him.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
It's an unfortunate situation for a player like him. The
league needs, uh Jason Tatum. What he's being able to
do in his career has been remarkable, and so he
still has a long long way to go in his career.
I mean, he still had a lot to do in
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his career, meaning he has a lot of time left
to make an impact and make a name for his legacy.
And he's just raised on as special. So when you
see a player like that go down, it's just it's
not good for the game.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's not and we don't lose a lot of great
basketball players for a year. But it also I think
signals to Boston it is a perfect time with new
ownership and they are up against it. They're going to
be a very active team in the postseason. They tend
to be proactive, not reactive. So you know, Tatum is
obviously the backbone of the franchise and should be. It
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doesn't happen much when a really great team makes moves,
but Boston's the opposite of Milwaukee. They are really proactive.
So I think it's a perfect time to say, listen,
Jason's not coming back. We're good without Jason. We're a
playoff team without Jason. Our net rating is fine, but
we're getting Porzingis and al Horford. I think it's a
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perfect time step back, reboot the franchise with new owners,
and that's what Boston has done. They could have kept
with Marcus Smart j Mack, and they didn't. They just
tried to keep adding pieces. So it'll probably be a
step back here. They'll still be a playoff team. They're
just two They're just too deep and too many good players.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, so I think the connection with Tatum here would
be Kevin Durant. Remember when he popped his achilles in
the NBA Finals against the Raptors.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Now that was early June, so about.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
A month a month later than now, But he missed
the entire next season, remember, and that kind of changed
the course of his career.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Calling he did leave the REP the Warriors went.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
To the net, sat out, he wasn't one hundred percent
Kevin Durant, but he was a little older twenty nine.
I believe when he popped it, he still got back
to being an All NBA player at MVP Internet and
all that. So I think Tatum, who just turned twenty seven,
can get there, right. I mean, he's been All NBA
four first team four years in a row.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, he's fine. I think I think he okay, right, Yeah,
I think he's in impeccable shape. He's in just beginning
the prime of his career for the next seven years.
When Kad got hurt, Katie has a different body type.
Kd is longer and thinner. Katie had had multiple small,
annoying injuries. Like Jason, Tatum is more strongly built. He's
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going into his prime. He's probably now in the second
to third He's probably in the second year of his prime,
I would say, so that means about six more years
of prime. I think Tatum. I think Tatum. The decision
they'll have to make next year is Boston's going to
be a playoff team. They're too well run, too many
good players, even if they move aut of furniture. But
the question will be do you bring him back next year,
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depending on the moves. But I think I just think
guys like Tatum, that body it is, he is finely
tuned in. He's one of the better. Like work ethics.
I told you I've been to multiple Celtic games. First
guy out, he's an incredible, impeccable shape. I think he
will return. They'll have to make a decision. Do we
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just we just take away next year's title.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
He's got that Kobe mentality.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But Colin.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
The other interesting thing is look big picture at the East.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Okay, Yiannis.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Let's say he goes West, Spurs, Rockets, whomever. Who's set
up to take the crown in the East? My Knicks maybe,
I mean Pacers, the Cavs, you know, kind of got extinguished.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
I don't know. But listen, you said Boston's playoff team
without Tatum.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I'd agree. I don't think they're the number one team
in the East without him.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Right, it could be there time to the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
They've been fine without him in short bursts, right, But
when you can prepare over the course of eighty two games,
everybody is a better team with Jason Tatum. But if
he misses four games, you can win three because of
their their their math formula. So you know, and I've
said this before, when Jokis leaves, Denver's not built to compete,
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that's because Boston has a better front office.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Let's go to the next oryc On the Dallas Mavericks
one the draft lottery, there was a lot of initial talk,
Hey man, they could trade the number one pick and
get Giannis and Perryiannis with a D and Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Uh uh.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
The latest out.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Of Dallas is that the MAVs will not be trading
Cooper Flag. The report adds that MAVs Governor Patrick Dumont
believes the opportunity to draft draft Cooper Flag is a gift.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
I would agree.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't think they're gonna trade Cooper Flag. I don't
see that happening. This guy could become a next big
time star, obviously, you know, we don't.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
We don't want to talk too much about what they
could do.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
But I think an Anthony Davis trade is more likely
than a Cooper Flag trade. But maybe they stand pat
look at this starting lineup colin next year, probably post
All Star break, when Kyrie's back. Kyrie, but Flag, a
D and Lively, that's formidable.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Think about this, This is very unique for Dallas. So
their three big stars have been international international. Novitsky in national,
Luca now Steve Nash Canadian wasn't as big a star
when they moved him. But it's like this is a
domestic not only a domestic star, it's duke. So to me,
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that is Dallas has sort of been internationally led. It
feels like for like fifteen to twenty years they've been
more of an international team because they've been an international
star and they deserve Mark Cuban and they deserve credit.
They've never been led. Maybe it was Rolando Blackman years ago,
you know, thirty years ago, whatever it was, they don't
really have. This is their first like star, domestic star
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they're going to be led by. To me, it feels
like it now Dirt got older, they had different players,
but like I think for the next ten years having
a duke star in Dallas, I'm not moving that. No,
I'm not moving that at all.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Yeah, one hundred percent with you.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Final story Conn is to the NFL with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
You know they recently moved off George Pickens, sending him
to Dallas. Well, Cam Hayward discussed the trade, and although
he was surprised by the move, he brought up Pittsburgh's
track record of moving off their wide receivers.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
We got a look track record with trading wide receivers.
There's been, you know, some good history behind this and
when to do it, what to expect. I was looking
at a stat it was like, there's only been like
three receiver, three or four receivers that made it past
the rookie contracts with the Steelers. They know when to
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re sign and win to trade and you know, we'll
see what happens. We could be a better team because
of it.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But you know what, Kansas City's done this too. They've
taken receivers that are red flags. There's some concerns and
they've had problems. I think it's so distracting. I think
Andy Reid and Mahomes can overcome it. But all the
receivers that the Steelers draft with drama, I think ab
was a bit of a surprise, but a lot of
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times you kind of knew what you were getting. And
to me, it's like like teams like the Packers, they
just take those players off their draft board. The Rams
take those players off the draft board. The problem with inheriting,
drafting or trading for dramatic players. It's the same thing
at work. We have a great staff at the Herd.
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If we had one diva. Now I know what you're saying, Colin,
it's you, But if you had somebody on the staff
that was it's amazing. It can take one person to
ruin a room. Yeah, and so in the end, when
you have one or two players and it feels like
the Steelers always do that, you're spending time babysitting them
and they add at tension and an anxiety. The Packers
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don't put players like this on their board. The Rams
are very much character first, and I just think it
creates a better environment, less needy, less maintenance. It's hard
enough to win the NFL. When you're distracted, it makes
it even harder. So these issues are Steelers issues, and
they've known some of these were coming when they drafted them.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
And you know who else has some of these issues,
not to the level of Pickens, but the quarterback that
they're chasing who still has not locked in. Now the
schedule is coming out today, We're waiting for a certain
quarterback to lock into. The Steelers may not happen.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Maybe he's gonna wait and so he can travel more.
Maybe an Egypt trip is on the horizon. I don't know,
But Pittsburgh just continues to me to be just a mess.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Jamak with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd line news. So PFF came
out they graded all thirty two teams on their off
season coaching hires, free agency, and draft picks, and those
are all substantial. We know football is the coaching sport.
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Most teams overspending free agency, but you know, you know,
when the Rams got staff effort, it did make a difference.
When you know, trades or free agency, when the Bucks
got Brady sort of made a difference. And the draft,
I do think is worth A good draft is worth
a winneror two, especially if you shore up your pass rush,
your offensive line. So PFF and I and I may
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struggle like everybody else in America picking against the spread, okay,
but I do take pride in the fact that over
the last four years I've been pretty good at taking
bad teams and predicting they'll be much better. The Vikings,
the Rams you thought were going to rebuild Denver and
Washington last year. And I also I think have done
a pretty good job saying this team is peaked Dallas
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two years ago, San Francisco last year. So I agree
with PFF across the board. They like what Arizona's done,
which I said, this is a really good defensive coach
and they went all in on defense this draft and
free agency. I think Arizona is going to be a
tough out. They like what the Bears have done again
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quarterbacks young shore up the interior, zero line, and the
coaching staff leans offensive. They love what New England's done.
Frabel staff money, they'll be on much better defense, and
they don't like the team that I have said for
the last year. I love John Lynch, I know him.
I love Kyle Shanahan. I think the Niners are a huge,
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magnificent brand. They gave the Niners a D they lost
Devo hufunga Greenlaw and instead they went heavy on the
defensive line. They still don't have a good offensive line,
and they're going to overpay for Brock Purty. So I've
said this. My knock on the Niners is I am
seeing something I saw the last three to four or
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five years with Seattle and Pete Carroll, and with Belichick
in his last five years, Belichick got too much power,
and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Belichick was drafting like
coaches draft, not like a GM and Pete Carroll, who
I think is doing a great job of the Raiders.
But when Paul Allen died there was a void, he
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seized it. John Snyder almost left. I didn't like the
Seahawks drafts for several years and set it on draft Day.
The last two to three drafts that have been John
Snyder drafts, I love the Seahawks roster. Coaches tend to
draft to solve tomorrow GM's draft with a vision down
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the road. That's why Green Bay to me drafts as
well as anybody in the last thirty years in this league.
They're drafting first round players they're not going to play
in three years. That's why they're Oh, was good. Belichick
would grab a guard because he needed a guard, but
he would reach around, as the Rams pointed out one time,
to get a guard. That's not who you draft. Yeah,
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maybe he can solve an issue. You kept reaching on players.
So this is what I see with the Niners. When
I watched the Niners last two drafts. I see a
coach trying to solve issues for the season opener. I
don't see a vision drafted too many wide receivers. You've
got enough already. Stop with the wide receivers and the
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big contracts. So I think when I like a prime
example this year, I think Seattle John Snyder is one
of the best gms. He drafted a quarterback after just
signing a quarterback. Why would you do that? Because he
wants Jalen Milroe in two years if Darnold hasn't reached
the level he thinks he can. He wants Jalen Milroe,
hyper athletic, to be ready to play. That's how you draft.
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That's how Jordan loves. Aaron gets older and prickly, that's
how you draft Aaron as Brett Farr was nearing, you know,
the twilight of his career. What you don't do is
go grab a running back in the first round because
you need a running back, but actually he Rashad Penny
should probably be a late second round draft, not a
late first round draft. Or go grab a guard in
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New England because it solves a problem for the season opener.
But that's not really the best for the team long term.
That's why Belichick leaves. And the roster's got no juice.
It's one of the worst rosters. He kept drafting for
the game, not the future. And so I Arizona, New England, Chicago,
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they're gonna be really good teams next year. And I
think San Francisco, you guys think I'm nuts on this.
They peaked, don't love the roster, don't love the offensive line,
and they're gonna overpay for party coming up next. The
Belichick thing is getting wilder by the day. Every day
I come in, there's a Jordan Hunts, Jordan Hudson Belichick story,
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Speaker 1 (36:01):
Listen transitions are hard for people. And I'm not a
real political talker, but Doge is a transition. It's messy,
it's turbulent, it alienates people. But to argue our government
is efficient and lean is laughable. I'm gonna wait and
see how it plays out. College football, similarly, is going
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through a massive transition, the nil, the transfer portal. It's wild,
but it is also a great opportunity. The only way
little guys can ever catch the big guys Ubert a
taxi is to be a disruptor, is to do it differently.
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And so North Carolina to catch Clemson. Has said, well,
Clemson is digging their feet in to the old model,
no nil, no transfers. Carolina is a basketball school, and
Carolina is thinking, well, this is our moment, big old
dog with traditional advantages, diging their feet in the sand.
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We're going to go one hundred percent pro model. We're
going to do the opposite of Clemson. And that's why
I'm supporting Carolina. Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick is there's
a story out, you know, yesterday Bill's talking, he's promoting
the book, and Bill said he didn't have anything to
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do with North Carolina football, which is, you know, kind
of true, kind of not. But the truth is what
Carolina did and I respect it. They said, Bill, take
us to the pro model. Bill, take us to the
pro model, and Bill's doing it. It isn't absolutely a
pro model right now. And I respect that. And Oregon
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did this year's ago when I covered Oregon, Oregon trailed
USC and Washington and maybe at the time Ucla and
Oregon said we're gonna have a thousand uniforms, a different
one every Saturday, and we're going to hire a coach
from New Hampshire, and we're gonna have a play every
thirteen seconds with no huddles. And Oregon now is looking
down at USC, Washington and UCLA. The only way for
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the little guys to catch up to the big guys
is to do things differently. Here's Belichick on the stories
about Jordan Hudson getting in the way of North Carolina football.
Really off to the side.
Speaker 11 (38:27):
It's a personal relationship and she doesn't have anything to
do with at UNC football. I'm excited to be back
in the coaches meetings and getting ready for you know,
June and then augustly at the training camp.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
What Jordan Hudson is is a catalyst for change, and
what Bill Belichick is is that change. And when I
hired Mike Lombardi. Mike Lombardi's one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
I know Mike.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
He's a hundred percent of an NFL guy. So I
look at Carolina like I look at Colorado with like
I look at Oregon with Chef Kelly. How does Colorado
catch a BYU? How do they catch And I'm not
saying Colorado's gonna catch Alabama, but baby steps. Carolina is
a basketball school. That's all they are. They're a basketball
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school and the only way for them to catch at Clemson.
Speaker 8 (39:19):
Is this.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Now, j Mac, on a daily basis, you have gone
back and forth on Belichick and Jordan Hudson and Carolina.
But do you buy My argument is this is how
the little guy catches a big guy. They look at Clemson,
who's dug their feet in, and they said, we're going
the opposite of Clemson.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
When I had the website, the Big League, you remember
that I couldn't just cover sports the way the mainstream
media covered sports. I had to find certain angles that
would get me to get attraction and people would notice
the website. So, just like UNC going a different route,
I had to That's the way the underdog always operates.
I will say, though, Colin, this whole Udi pageant stuff,
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and it is getting a little weird in the timing
of all of it coming out just as he's promoting
a book and now she's getting.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Offered dancing with the stars. Colin, Man, I know you
like this story. I'm just troubled by it.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I don't know, Man, Well, we talked about this yesterday
when I heard the story about family concerns about Belichick.
This is not a guy in the basement. You have
to feed soft foods too. He's making ten million, he's
got control of the program, and they brought him in.
Let's be honest. They brought Bill Belichick in for a
(40:37):
pro model. This is what, by the way, Alabama was Saban.
Saban saw the change. He didn't want to wait around
until it was an entirely pro model. I mean, one
of the reasons Saban liked college over the NFL is
he liked the college model where he had more control,
and once the players can transfer and need to be paid,
it's more of a pro model. And Saban's like, no,
(40:58):
I dominated the old model.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Mike Krzyzewski, Jay Wright saw this. Jay Wright and Mike
Krzyzewski the Mike was getting to the age you retire.
But Jay Williams, Jay Wright could have coached for another
five years. But Jay's like, I don't want to be
an NBA coach. This is a little Dabosweeney. I want
to be a college coach. I built the college power,
the sports changing. It's like, I'm good with it. I'll
broadcast it, but I don't want to be in it.
(41:20):
I respect that. But Caroline is just saying, we want
to beat Clemson. To beat Clemson, we can't be Clemson, right,
we got to go. Oregon used to look up at
USC my entire life. They looked up at Washington and
Washington and USC had these traditional helmets and these traditional uniforms,
and Washington got all upset years ago when they decided
(41:41):
to change the Husky pants to white for a game.
People freaked out. Oregon's like, we're gonna have a million uniforms,
and I just I look at this whole thing. And
by the way, transition is messy. We're seeing it in
government now. Some will work, some won't, The cutch will
be too deep, we'll be problems. But when you're trying
to make a radical change, like Carolina, this stuff there's turbulence,
(42:03):
it's going to be a bumpy flight. So I kind
of look at Jordan Hudson and I'm like, this is
part of She's a catalyst. Bill's a catalyst, the NFL
models a catalyst, and Carolina is a basketball school. So
I'm gonna support all the mess.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
That's a good point, you know, an idea for MS Hudson.
Perhaps she could gift I don't know, a private jet
to North Carolina for the basketball coach and everyone else
to use, and then she wins them over. You know,
I hear that's a good move to make to kind
of appease people who are coming after you.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
I don't know it's an option for Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
A Listen. That felt a little snarky to me, but
I do appreciate it. Here on a Wednesday, Yeah, come
on and OURFL schedule release. We'll go to Boston next,
check in on Tatum, the Celtics, their future Chandler Parson
later as well. One down, two to go. We are live.
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