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may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much.
I'm Doug. Got me in for Colin Cowherd and for
the next couple of hours, I want to talk sports
with you from Poway to Escondido and everywhere in between.
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This is the hurd. What a night last night in
college basketball. You know, it's always fascinating to me, and
we can get to I've just so many things kind
of going through my mind as I'm watching watching college
basketball last night, But the main thing is that I
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just I sit here and say to myself self, why
do people insist on spreading lies about how things used
to be? There's two different sides to it, right, And
I fully understand that you're listening to Collins Show and
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you watch sports television. You listen to sports radio and
first whatever reason, everything either has to be the best
of the worst. Even look, I love Collin, that's my guy. Okay,
but I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you some
just ask you if you think that I watched Cooper
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Flag last night. He's incredible. And anybody says, well, you know,
he's a college basketball player. You're a college basketball coach.
You can't talk about a current college basketball player. Now,
that's only if for some reason, I was going to
recruit Cooper Flag. And there is less than zero percent
chance that Cooper Flag is coming to Green Bay. Listen.
I love my job and I love what we're building here.
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Had a couple of really talented kids on campus trying
to recruit him, but that ain't happen, right, So, Cooper
Flag is amazing. There's nothing about him that resembles Larry
Bird to me. I don't know where that conversation went.
And if Cooper Flag is going to be the best
dukie ever in the NBA, which is what Colin said yesterday.
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Greg Tooey, that is what he said yesterday, correct, I
heard it in the promo. I just want to make
sure that I did not mishear it in any way correct. Okay,
there's a current dukie in the NBA who is a
nine time All Star. He's been on the NBA Second
Team once, two time NBA Third Team, he was the
Rookie of the Year. He's won an NBA championship, and
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I most want to point out he's hit the big
shot to win an NBA championship. Are you familiar with
who I'm talking about? That's Kyrie Irving. You're like, wait,
Kyrie le mean yeah, Okay, so that's a lot, right,
that would be a ton to say he's he's better
than Kyrie Irving. And again, like, this kid is the
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great White Hope. He's an American born, white basketball player
who's unbelievable. Okay, is he better than a six time
NBA All Star who's only twenty seven meeting By the
time he's done, he'll be like a thirteen time NBA
All Star, three time All NBA First Team and he
won an NBA championship. That would be Jason Tatum. So
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I understand that we get to we're watching it and
like Cooper Flagg has ever been as good or maybe
even better than possibly advertised He's a freak, right, He's
a power point guard. He can handle, he can pass,
he can shoot, he is a three level score. I
love him. But before we go, he is gonna be
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the colt. Is gonna be the greatest dukie ever. Like
I know, we operate onder this assumption that Grant Hill
was likely to be the best dukie ever. Unfortunately, injuries
befell him. Is that right? Is that befell him? I
don't know if that's actually a word, but it is
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for now. The reality is who that's a big ask
for kid, big, big, big asque for a player. Okay,
so let's get to what really matters. I love the
discussion about how basketball used to be because neither these
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things are true. You know how we always sometimes we'll
say both of these things can in fact be true.
Neither of these things are true in that Jannis and
Tennecoupo would not score two hundred and fifty points in
any sort of NBA game if he played in the
seventies or eighties. I just it's one thing to say, hey,
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the athletes are better and more skilled now than they've
ever been, and we've evolved as players where previously in
his life Yannis would have been. He would have been
a center in the NBA or a power forward, and
now he's essentially a point guard, so he would not
have scored two or fourt And you cannot tell me
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that watching Alabama make twenty five of fifty one threes
that you yearned for the mid range. Man, I just
miss old basketball. I don't, and I played older basketball.
I watched it again. I'm not saying those guys aren't great.
Matter of fact, the thing that absolutely positively pisses me
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off about guys like JJ Reddick is JJ Redick acting
always like well, Larry Bird's not one of the great
three point shoters all time. Bull It wasn't considered a
great shot, but when he shot the ball, he was
the best at doing it for a star player. So
if al Horford can go from making ten threes his
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first six years in the NBA to being a high
level three point shooter, do you think Larry Effingberd, who
won the three point shooting contest with a shooting shirt on,
shooting jacket on and told everybody in which one he
guys are coming in second? Do you think he couldn't
have been an elite three point shooter again, the idea
that Giannis would have scored two hundred fift the arrogance
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of Lebron, the arrogance of JJ to act like those
guys couldn't what's the kid's term level up? Come on, dude,
like Brook Lopez can shoot threes, but Michael Jordan and
Chris Mullen and and Larry Bird couldn't. Of course they could.
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On the other hand, I will side with the new
generation and think all of you people, and I will say,
you people who insist the mid range? Where's the mid range?
I don't like watching new age basketball? Okay, so here's
what you do. I want you to go to baseball
people and go, why don't you bunt anymore? Why don't
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you bunt? Or hey, let's let's just go back to
all the inefficient methods of doing anything right. All the
interfestionis instead of group emails, let's handwrite out notes to everyone.
By the way, part of my job as a basketball
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coach is I do write thank you notes. My hand
gets so tired. You want to talk about suburban grit.
My ability to sign autographs and write notes on a
regular basis. I almost feel like I'm an arthritic old man.
But really it's just my hand. I can, I can.
I can text and tweet and do whatever for days.
I can talk on the phone for hours. You asked
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me to write two thank you notes. I'm like, I
feel like I got carpal tunnel. But would anybody like
to go back to the days of handwritten everything? No? No, hey,
here's what I want you to do. Let's go back
to the days of landlines and no call waiting. You
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remember when you got the first time you got party line? Okay, listen,
cover up your mouth, don't be breathing. I'll ask her
if she likes you. Right, you're all a bunch of liars.
It will And newer doesn't always mean better, but it
definitely means more efficient. Right, More efficient is everything in business.
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Don't work harder, work smarter. And then there's the complete
misconception of well, it's a shot that's closer to the basket,
so you gotta make it at a better rate. Let
me ask you something. Do you guys know what the
an elbow? The elbow jump shot is an elbow jump shot.
The elbow is where the lane line. That's where the
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guys stand. You know where a lane line is right
and the free throw line come together right that spot.
Some people call it the short seventeen. Some people call
it the elbow. I don't know what else it's called.
I've always been told it's the elbow, but I've heard
some people say short seventeen. It's a seventeen foot shot
from there, and nobody stands on the actual elbow. So
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a seventeen to nineteen foot shot. In the NBA, the
best players in the world, and I'm talking about from
Kobe Bryant to Kevin Durant, but the current best NBA players,
Kevin Durant, DeMar Derozen who's the best mid range shooter
in the NBA. Put it all in. All the NBA players,
do you know what they shoot from the elbow from
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seventeen to nineteen feet? Thirty seven percent is the number?
Is that an efficient shot? No, if you're going to
shoot a shot inside the lane, an efficient shot is
over that of fifty percent as opposed to thirty three
percent being the barrier for a three point shot. How
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do they know, Well, because they do math. Now, it
doesn't mean it's just like sports radio right there is gray.
It doesn't mean you never take an open mid range shot.
It doesn't mean you only but for the most part
ninety five percent. I mean really that there's actually a
different percentile, right. But if you watched last night against Alabama,
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and I'll grant you they were unbelievably efficient. They shot
at a rate that you I have never seen before.
Collectively as a team at a game of that level.
It was like Pleasantville. Do you remember the first part
of Pleasantville when it was black and white right before
one color and every shot went in. That's what it
had to feel like. If you're like BYU. By was like, dude,
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we're actually pretty good and we have no ability to
stop Mark Sears and the Crimson Tide. But I'd love
mid range guy to be like they should have.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I didn't enjoy watching that I won mid range jump shots.
I yearned for the days of Kazzie Russell dribbling and
backing a guy down and shooting a finger roll from
seventeen feet.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Go back and watch old NCAA tournament games. Go back
and watch old NBA games. Now. Of course, it's not
true that Yiannis would score two hundred fifty points, because
back in the seventies you would have a power forward
and lane and a center in the lane. There wasn't
space to just back guys down, and the game was
officiated differently as well. And again if we put if
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we put him back, then do all the former players
get the diet and the weight training that he gets
now and flying on private private planes and sleeping in
cryo chambers so he takes care of his body?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Of course not.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Even then, the bodies were big and strong. Imagine if
they live modern day weights. Like, are we comparing comparables?
The rules are different, the offense are different, the bodies
are different, everything's different. And yet we're saying, hey, if
you have parachute in Yannis now against them, then with
whose rules he scores two hundred fifty. No, that's laughably
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embarrassing to say. But on the other hand, let's not
act like the inefficiencies of the past are something that
should draw us in and make us yearn for it
in the future.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Just not.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Nobody wants to handwrite notes anymore. They just don't. I mean, look,
not everybody apparently in Washington can handle the old group text.
But generally a group text gets things done quite well,
thank you very much. Right, I'm Doug Gottliebin for colling.
This is the Herd Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. This
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is and in case you missed it, this was Lebron
earlier this week on McAfee talking about Giannis.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Trying to tell me Giannas wouldn't be able to play
an NBA game in.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
The seventies.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Hit he wouldn't be able.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
To do Yannis answer, the Koufo would have two hundred.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
And fifty points in a game in a seventy's and.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Fifty two hundred and fifty points. Come on, dude, And
by the way, Lebron, in your effort to settle scores
and like we can get into why that conversation even happened.
But he'd scored two hundred fifty points, right, there's two
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other guys in the lane. There aren't guys standing outside
three point line because there was no three point line.
The real world doesn't have all or nothing. It has
a lot of gray. It's not that Jannis would have
stunk or he would have scored two hundred fifty points.
The truth is way more towards the middle. And while
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I know Jannis would, I mean again, he looks like
a smaller Wilt Chamberlain. Wilt Chamberlain was an unbelievable athlete.
Oscar Robertson was an unbelievable athlete. The three point line
had not been introduced, let alone guys being told these
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are better shots because of analytics. So which is it? No,
we just say these things to make make us feel better,
either about the past game or the current game. The
reality is, if you watched Alabama play last night, there
isn't a single solitary, non mouth breathing human being that
goes you know, I know they made twenty five to
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fifty one threes, but I I just wanted them to
take you know, a MIDI fade away, a La Kobe
mid range. No. No, math works, it just does, right,
math works, It just does. Sometimes it defies the normal
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thought press of human beings. I'm watching that earthquake in
Thailand earlier today, right, and you're looking at building swaying
and not coming down or whatever, despite it's like a
seven point seven. And then you look at some of
these old buildings built in the nineteen twenties nineteen thirties
where they thought the more cement the better, right, because
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common logic would would lead you to believe that the
heavier the building, the less likely it is to crumble. Correct. Yeah,
well ask anybody in La. Those buildings are light. Those
buildings sway. If there's an earthquake, they're gonna move like
seven or eight feet, which, again the video tells me,
don't ever get on a rooftop pool ever, ever, period. Stop.
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I don't. I don't care the likelo of an earthquake.
If there's a if you're on a fiftieth floor building
and there's a bunch of supermodels out there, they're in bikinis,
I ain't getting that pool. I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna
watch them behind the windows because I just saw that video.
But math works, It explains it. It makes it easy,
it makes it more efficient. They found that lighter and
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oftentimes less materials move okay with the earthquake. I understand
you think a shot closer to the basket is a
better shot, right, that's common life, like, Well, the closer
I get, the more likely I am to make it. Yes,
But when they give you another point for being two
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or three steps back further, it's actually better to be
two or step three sets back first, unless you're right
at the rim where you have a higher percentage of
making it and you can get fouled, which gives you
even more efficiency. Any of these people, and that includes
my friend Charles Barkley, who tells me they yearn for
the old olden days are just simply trying to pat
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themselves in the back over how great they were, and
they were great in a different era. Stop doing it.
If you watch Alabama, you're like, that was pretty cool.
Speaking of pretty cool, Coming up next in The Herd,
I'm Doug Gottlieb feeling for Colin Richard Pattino. He built
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it's New Mexico into a winter and now he's in
the same league as his dad. What is the process
like of coaching while negotiations are happening with your agent?
And how much do you know? When do you know?
We'll ask it all to him? That's up coming next
in the Hurt.
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Some of you may hurt. I'm also a head coach
now in Division one basketball Green Bay. So just like
every other coach, I'm in portal Kombat mode, pooral combat. Yeah,
and in something that makes absolutely no sense. Basketball's portal
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open Monday, and yet we still have basketball games being
played on my television. And it's not just the NCAA tournament.
There's the CBI just finished. Gud's to Illinois State. I
don't know, but there's the NIT which is still ongoing,
and there's the other one, the Crown that's on Fox
Sports one. I have no idea who's even going to
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play for those teams because so many of those kids
have entered the real portal or the dark portal, which
is or the pre portaling, which is like pre boarding.
How do you board a plane before you board a plane,
I'm not really sure anyway, to help us kind of
figure it out, and to celebrate whose new job is
the now new head coach of Xavier, who is also
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the sitting Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year. He
coached the Lobos to the Mountain West Conference regular season
championship this year. So now formerly of New Mexico and
now Xavier, is Richard Patino and he joins us in
the herd on Fox Sports Radio, Richard, how are you.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Doing good, Dougs? How are you?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I'm great, man, I'm great. You know. It's interesting, Uh
we talked after you lost your job in Minnesota and
then you get a chance to go to a place
like New Mexico. What was the experience like last time
you switched jobs going from Minnesota to New Mexico in
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terms of kind of onboarding and getting that thing going.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Yeah, I would say substantially different, right, emotional on both
sides of it. But I think more than anything, new opportunities.
You know, I learned from both, you know, New Mexico.
I didn't have a great feel for the area by
any means, and spent eight years of you know, really
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enjoyed Minnesota, but was looking forward to it, you know.
So learned a lot in both and just get better
and better, you know. And I think Xavier is a
great opportunity and excited about it. So, but you know,
all the moving and you got kids and all that.
That can be very stressful for everybody. So trying to
put together a roster, trying to figure out moving and
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transitioning and all that. But it's a great opportunity.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Okay, So now you're killing it in New Mexico. You
guys have an unbelievable following Donovan Dent, an unbelievable player
that's been with you for a couple of years, and
you're going to the NCAA tournament, and yet there's all this.
You know, all of a sudden, the Xavier job comes
open because Sean Miller, even though he was coaching against Texas,
it seemed like everybody in the business knew he was
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leaving for Texas. What's that like to manage all that, right,
because again, you're managing your roster, the potential for your
future roster in New Mexico, there's whispers about this other job, okay,
and then you got to figure out my wife, kid's family,
all that stuff and potentially moving and oh yeah, by
the way, you had your team playing in the NCAA tournament.
How'd you manage all that?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
You know, it's a lot. I know the coaches are
bad guys. I know a good friend of mine, Kevin Willer,
is dealing with it right now. Whether you could say
handle it differently or whatever, I don't know. But coaches
are being put in a tough spot. I mean, not
that I want people to feel sorry for us by
any means, but schools are starting earlier and earlier because
of the portal. You know, and people reach out. Doesn't
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mean that you're interviewing by any means, or you're spending
the whole day away from your program, but you certainly
want to see what you know these people are talking about.
For the Xavier experience, it really all happened after the season. Now,
I had some other kind of balls in the air,
so to speak, but I was not going to leave
New Mexico unless it felt right. And you know, when
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Xavier reached out, that was one like, Okay, I can
be back closer to my family, I can be in
the Big East, which I truly believe with this new
model of not sharing rev share with football is an advantage.
I loved the Big East. I grew up with it,
so it felt right. It really did. So you know,
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it's all the rumors and all that. Some of it's true,
some of it was not, but it wasn't real hard
to lock in on the season and just you know,
just just stay in the moment more than anything.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Okay, So now you take over a new job at Xavier.
This is your fourth job, right, fourth job that you've had.
What's the process like now as opposed to the other three, Right,
there wasn't the full portal when you got to New Mexico.
There wasn't any of this when you got to Minnesota.
And obviously when you get to FIU, what's the process
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like now for you?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Yeah, I mean way different as it pertains to recruiting.
I don't even know if it's called recruiting anymore. I
mean it's just you know, FIU, there was no transfer deal,
so you really really were trying to establish the culture
and not even worry about wins and losses. And we
got some good transfers that we liked. Sitting out Minnesota
was the traditional recruiting New Mexico. When I got here,
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you weren't allowed to go recruiting because of the pandemic,
So we added a bunch of players off of zooms.
But those last three years where we really excelled were
and I own transfer portal. So we've got a body
of work in the new profession that we're in of
even Okay, Donovan Dean is the number one transfer in
the country right now. JT. Topping is the number one
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in the country out of our program go to Texas Tech.
So I think we have a body of work of
we have one in this deal. We've got some really
good players that we've recruited and developed. But it's all
about right now. It's about zooms. It's about putting together
your staff, you know. So we've got it seems daunting
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because you're really taking over a new roster, but everybody's
going to have to deal with this right now. So
it's about kind of spending your money wisely and evaluating
properly and you know, just just turning over every stone,
so to speak, and figure it out.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, it's super interesting. You mentioned that you don't have
to revenue share with football, but you also don't have
maybe the revenue or possibly the reach of football. Okay,
and we're watching we're watching the haves and the have nots, right,
like you being a part, Like we're not even in
the ballpark, right and the Mountain West is kind of
in that Curious has been really successful. Is you know,
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New Mexico incredibly well supported. But there's always going to
be a difference between Mexico and the Big East and
then a chasm between New Mexico and the SEC and
Big Ten where do you think the Big East settles
in regards to the comparison and io wise of how
much you have in the bank.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
It's really really difficult to figure that out. You know.
I did have conversations with some schools with football and
just trying. Everybody has no idea what the future holds.
I think the Big East is in an amazing position
of strength because they don't have a cap. You know
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that nobody is spending twenty point five million on men's
basketball or women's basketball, right, so you know, the growth
opportunities for all of these programs would know, football, I
think are phenomenal and that was appealing. That was one
of the main factors of why I took the job
was because we got to build rosters and it's it's
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way more transactional now than it ever is, and who
knows what it'll change, But I think the Big East, Yeah,
you know, if they cap men's basketball at the power
for level at three and a half million or whatever,
and then they say that they're going to really crack
down on the deals, the nil deals, I think the
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Big East is in a great position of strength. But
it's it's like anything else, it's about continue to grow
and invest in your program, because if you don't, you're
gonna get left behind.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
It's one thing to compete against your dad once a year,
it's a whole other thing to recruit against or you know,
portal against your dad, right and then coach against your dad,
you know, twice a year. And obviously Saint John's he
flipped that thing in year two and they they seem
to be on a different level and io wise than
some of the other teams in the Big East.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Have you thought about what this is going to be like,
you know, it's only really a thing when with media.
You know, it's not traditional recruiting anymore. I don't care
what anybody says. It's just not so it's maybe not
as emotional like it used to be back in the
old days when we started. I just think it's about,
you know, how we're going to invest as we're going
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against my dad. Like listen, he's a young seventy two,
but who knows how much longer he goes, you know,
and I just want him to be happy when we
play him two times a year. Like I understand the
hoopla that's going to go with it, and that's fine,
but we're both going to try to beat each other.
It's no real difference, So that was not even a
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little bit of I didn't even think about it when
seeking this job.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Will you ever get him in a quarter zip? You
know somebody coaches have gone to the quarter zip. He
still wears those beautiful suits. Will you ever get him
in the quartersip?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Yeah, I'm not happy about that. That's the only thing
that I don't like about the Big East is I
know that my dad does it. I know that there's
another one that wears suits in that league as well
that we got to get him out of. So who
knows If Kevin Willard goes to Villanova he wears suits
as well, so we'll see. You know, that's something I'm
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going to band together and fight with because I love
the quarters up.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Richard Pertino, head coach of Exit Savior of the New
head coach. He's the reigning Mountain West Conference Coach of
the Year, coaching the Lobos in New Mexico to the
Mountain West Championship. This season. He joins us in the
Hurdhum Doug gotlib filling in for Colin. You know, again,
I don't know if you find this interesting. Bodue I'm
watching Alabama play last night. They make twenty five out
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of fifty one threes, and I'm thinking of your dad,
right because your dad, when he got to Providence, he
was the first one to really really embrace the three
point shot. And yet you have so many people who
sit there and I feel like they say that they
just tell lies, Like, man, I wish I missed the
old days of the mid range pull up in guys
back people down, Like I don't know, like you got
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the mix of old school and new school or your dad,
but your dad was the first of the truly new school.
When you watch Alabama shoot fifty one threes, what do
you think?
Speaker 5 (29:12):
You know? It's interesting because obviously they've really dove right
in with the three point shot. I understand the value
of offensive rebounding opportunities. Obviously threes are worth more than two.
But I don't know if I want to shoot a
million of them if I'm shooting like twenty eight percent
from them, So I kind of think every team is different.
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That was fascinating to watch last night, for sure, to
see that many threes. You know, so it's obviously working,
But I've never seen that many threes taken into it
seems to try to be evolving into a more MBA
model more than anything.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, it really does. We circle back to the nil.
What is it like to be coaching and to think
to your there's that deflating feeling of hey, look I
got my guys, we're really good, but that other team
has two x three x of the money we have
and the reality is, more times than not, we're just
not going to be as good. That's that's part of
why everybody's moving up players and coaches and otherwise. Fair.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think it is definitely a concern
of the have separating from the have nots. Somebody's always
going to have more money than you. You've just got
to do a very very good job of spending wisely.
Not easy, right, but you know, you've got to really
really evaluate how you're going to spend it. It's like
pro sports, and it's not going to change until I
(30:36):
don't know if Congress or whoever figures this out, because
it's going to be hard to kind of limit their money.
So you know, I mean, we've beaten teams this year
who had more money than we did. We've lost the
teams who had less money than we did, so we're
just trying to take it year by year. I always
tell the players, like, our goal is certainly to win championships,
but we want to increase your value. And we certainly
(30:59):
did that with a lot of players in our program
and we were able to win.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Okay, most important question is you did the perfect job
of leaving. You had the note on social media, you
had the quotes, you had the video, you had all
the different right messages. Plus you stayed through it through
the full cycle. You know, you stay four years like
all right, kind of runs. Of course, you won the
league and then you're out. All good. Did you say
goodbye to Snake before you left?
Speaker 5 (31:23):
I did not say goodbye to Snake. You only normally
see Snake on game day. But I'll have to reach
out to them. Yeah, I mean it is emotional. I
think the time is right, you know. I think we
did a lot of great things. You know, my daughter's
going to go into high school, so the timing there
is really good. And you know, the uncertainty of the
(31:43):
Mountain West was certainly a concern, and I just think
in a very very unstable profession, the Big East is
about a stable of the conferences you're going to get
right now.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, well, listen, you left it better than you found it.
You left it an incredible shape. Xavier is a great
place at Sintas Center is it's not the pit, but
it's still an incredible home court. And obviously the Big
East is an unbelievable conference. Hey man, congrats on the
new gig. Congrats on an amazing season, and best of
luck here in portal season.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
All right, thank you for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
All right, that's Richard Pertino, the new head coach of
x That's Xavier, the Musketeers right in the Queens City
of Cincinnati. And no, we didn't do the proverbial skyline
chili sort of yuckety yuck sort of thing. No, we
did not. We not do that. We could have done
Greaters ice cream. Right, oh, Greaters ice really really really good.
Let's get to Greg Twoe with the news.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
No, no, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Hello, Greag two.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Hello.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
That just doesn't say I had the same ring to
it as music does it.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's all right.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
I'm not offended Doug a little bit. I mean, you
wouldn't have brought it up if you weren't offended. That
is true.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
That is true.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Hey, what a wild day of sports yesterday. We had
Opening Day in baseball, we had March Madness Weet sixteen,
we had the NBA and uh, this was crazy. The
Bulls Laker game less night. I know you have a
lot lot more to say about Lebron's turnovers last night
or turnover, but let's just take a couple minutes to
unpack this thing real quick. So the Bulls shot the
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Lakers one nineteen one seventeen last night. But let's start
with this. The Lakers were leading by five with twelve
seconds to go, and then this happened.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Twelve seconds left, Buls at the hurry weird get it.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Into Foodshovitch, quick pastor Williams big shock for three.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
He Pa came nine point eight left three. Oh, here's god, Daddy,
good day.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
Up for the lead, quick, big time lags Kobe lights
so zeroa gay So we had a three a Bulls three,
a Lebron turnover and then at Kobe White three from
the corner, putting the Bulls up one.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
That was thanks to Bulls TV, the Great Adam Amine
and Stacey King. So the Bulls are up by one.
Doug was six seconds left, the Lakes have the ball.
Then this happened.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Here's Reem reems taken. There's a lot of timeouts. Two
seconds one day, I get that.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Unbel possible.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Oh okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, I gotta
I gotta ask this. Okay, you told me you didn't
know before the show, right, I did not know? Ryan?
Do you know what that reference, Elizabeth? I'm coming to you, Elizabeth, right,
do you know what that's in reference to Red Fox? Yeah? Hey,
that's good, Okay, Red Fox and Sanford and Son unbelievable
(34:59):
TV show boxes now to seize comedian. Right, and he
used to it's the big one. I'm coming for you, Elizabeth.
Adam I mean did not There's no way he knew
what that references too. I love Adam, he's great, but
there's no chance Adam like quality pull there all albeit
(35:19):
dated like that even predates that Caddyshack sort of pull right,
be the bull.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
You're doing.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
The no no, no, no no, but what the heck?
Speaker 6 (35:33):
I mean what Like we talked yesterday, Colin talked about
how the Bull the Lakers are kind of they're you know,
they're kind of on cruise control. They're just waiting to
get to the postseason. They're kind of getting bored. And
last night, like with that Lebron turnover and just the
fact just the lack of basicle down the stretch they
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weren't in last night.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It was it wasn't just that. It wasn't just that
it was and just the turnover the three before Lebron,
James goes and helps, Like if you're switching everybody end
of a game on an out out of bounds play, okay,
and at the time they're up six, why is he helping?
You don't help?
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
And oh yeah, by the way, if you really want
to get down to it, do you know what you're
supposed to do when you're when you're up six late
in the game, under fifteen seconds? What you know what
you're supposed to do? What you're supposed to foul intentionally?
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Many coaches will say you should. Yeah, why why do
you foul intentionally so you don't lose?
Speaker 5 (36:35):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
No, but what happened again, you're up six, you're up
six on the inbounds pass, Why do you foul? Tell
me it? Maintain no matter what, it's a two possession game, right.
Everybody talks about fouling like last night Cali Perry. Should
he foul, not foul? It was eleven seconds, you don't foul. Okay,
But but three point you're up three under seven seconds,
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you foul. But if you're up six, you foul. Hey,
you foul. Here's why. If you foul, they make both
free throws. Lebron takes the ball and bounds. Even if
he turns it over and they hit a three, then
you still are up a point. Okay, it's still at two.
You want to maintain it being a two possession game.
When you're up six with under twenty seconds to go,
the only thing that can beat you is three points
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on one shot right and and one or whatever you
get it. You foul right away. So you know, look,
I am far from perfect, and we had a terrible record. Okay,
But to anybody who says that they're doing things in
LA analytically, either they didn't tell him to do it
or the players didn't do it. And then Lebron leaving
his man to help when you're if you're switching and
(37:42):
you're trying to take away three point shots, why Lebron
helped give up a three?
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Then?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yes, lack of leys just throws the ball in Mounts,
they steal a neck down of three. I mean, then
Reeves makes the layup, and I mean that's a miracle
obviously for the Bulls to win that game. But there
was so much to that, so much to that. I'll
tell you analytically what happened with the with the Arkansas
the Texas Tech comeback again up six, but that was
a minute ten to go, and what happened But in
that one, what a complete meltdown by the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
And that's the news.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
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because it tracks. It's next in the hurt.
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Doug Golibit for Collins. I heard Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app.
I'm gonna do a stephen A. Smith correction. Lakers are
up five, so you don't file when you're up five,
it's you're up six, then you foul. That makes it
even worse. Said, why would you if Lebron James leave
a shooter in the corner and try and help a
teammate out right, don't you don't do that. You switch,
(39:55):
and you keep the guy in front, and you make
them take a cat tested shot, and then you don't
turn the basketball over. Yesterday was Opening Day in Major
League Baseball. Just baseball in kind of a curious place
because in terms of overall talent wise, it's amazing how
many young players are blowing up the athleticisms back in
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the game. The games are shorter, they're better. I think baseball, honestly,
in terms of play, isn't a great place. I don't
know if it's not too late where so many think
baseball is boring and it is actually the past time.
But whatever, baseball, you know, leaving ESPN at the end
of this year, it's just in a weird place. I
think we can all kind of admit that. But it
(40:41):
was opening Day, and this is you know, like opening
Day part du if you will, because obviously the Dodgers
and the Cubs had Opening Day of their own going
back to Japan, and that was like a week ago. Right,
So now you have teams playing a bunch of baseball games,
and yesterday I thought was the perfect embodiment of things
(41:01):
that track. What do you what do I mean by that?
The Dodgers moved themselves to three and oh on the
year they won two in Japan, and yesterday they won
well because, among other things, they had show, Hey Otani, they.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Scay out toward right field. There's a jet stream there
for show.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
If he wants it. On three to two, he swings
and goes the opposite field left field, drifting back toward
the wall.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
He's gone. That's on a five seventy the Dodgers Radio network.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
So, on one hand, you had the Dodgers Blake Snell, who,
of course, uh, I think he's one. He's want to
sy young. Of course, he pitched Game seven against the
Dodgers back in the COVID World Series. You know, Blake
Snell wins his first game as a Dodger, they get
a save. They moved to three and oh. Right, the
Dodgers are playing serious competitive baseball games. Then you have
(41:54):
the Angels and you know, full disclosure, I grew up
in Orange, California, Orange in the city of Orange and
Orange County. The Angels on opening Day against the White Sox,
who were far and away the worst team in baseball
last year. Now we are down eight nothing and lose
eight to one. But they actually used a position player
to pitch late in the game, like the idea that
(42:15):
I'm that forty five minutes apart, the Dodgers win their
home opener and the Angels. Now he lose, but lose
to the White Sox and throw out a position player
day one. That's the most Angels thing ever. Right? Oh yeah,
by the way, the guy that hit the three run
home run for the Dodgers, he used to be an Angel, right.
That is salt in the wound. YEP. That tracks. That
(42:40):
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I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Coming up next
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This is the hurd. What a night last night in
college basketball. You know, it's always fascinating to me, and
we can get to I've just so many things kind
of going through my mind as I'm watching watching college
basketball last night, But the main thing is that I
(01:16):
just I sit here and say to myself self, why
do people insist on spreading lies about how things used
to be? There's two different sides to it, right, And
I fully understand that you're listening to Collins Show and
(01:37):
you watch sports television. You listen to sports radio and
first whatever reason, everything either has to be the best
of the worst. Even look, I love Collin, that's my guy. Okay,
but I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you some
just ask you if you think that I watched Cooper
(02:01):
Flag last night. He's incredible. And anybody says, well, you know,
he's a college basketball player. You're a college basketball coach.
You can't talk about a current college basketball player. Now,
that's only if for some reason, I was going to
recruit Cooper Flag. And there is less than zero percent
chance that Cooper Flag is coming to Green Bay. Listen.
I love my job and I love what we're building here.
(02:24):
Had a couple of really talented kids on campus trying
to recruit him, but that ain't happen, right, So, Cooper
Flag is amazing. There's nothing about him that resembles Larry
Bird to me. I don't know where that conversation went.
And if Cooper Flag is going to be the best
dukie ever in the NBA, which is what Colin said yesterday.
(02:46):
Greg Tooey, that is what he said yesterday, correct, I
heard it in the promo. I just want to make
sure that I did not mishear it in any way correct. Okay,
there's a current dukie in the NBA who is a
nine time All Star. He's been on the NBA Second
Team once, two time NBA Third Team, he was the
Rookie of the Year. He's won an NBA championship, and
(03:10):
I most want to point out he's hit the big
shot to win an NBA championship. Are you familiar with
who I'm talking about? That's Kyrie Irving. You're like, wait,
Kyrie le mean yeah, Okay, so that's a lot, right,
that would be a ton to say he's he's better
than Kyrie Irving. And again, like, this kid is the
(03:33):
great White Hope. He's an American born, white basketball player
who's unbelievable. Okay, is he better than a six time
NBA All Star who's only twenty seven meeting By the
time he's done, he'll be like a thirteen time NBA
All Star, three time All NBA First Team and he
won an NBA championship. That would be Jason Tatum. So
(03:55):
I understand that we get to we're watching it and
like Cooper Flagg has ever been as good or maybe
even better than possibly advertised He's a freak, right, He's
a power point guard. He can handle, he can pass,
he can shoot, he is a three level score. I
love him. But before we go, he is gonna be
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the colt. Is gonna be the greatest dukie ever. Like
I know, we operate onder this assumption that Grant Hill
was likely to be the best dukie ever. Unfortunately, injuries
befell him. Is that right? Is that befell him? I
don't know if that's actually a word, but it is
(04:38):
for now. The reality is who that's a big ask
for kid, big, big, big asque for a player. Okay,
so let's get to what really matters. I love the
discussion about how basketball used to be because neither these
(05:00):
things are true. You know how we always sometimes we'll
say both of these things can in fact be true.
Neither of these things are true in that Jannis and
Tennecoupo would not score two hundred and fifty points in
any sort of NBA game if he played in the
seventies or eighties. I just it's one thing to say, hey,
(05:25):
the athletes are better and more skilled now than they've
ever been, and we've evolved as players where previously in
his life Yannis would have been. He would have been
a center in the NBA or a power forward, and
now he's essentially a point guard, so he would not
have scored two or fourt And you cannot tell me
(05:48):
that watching Alabama make twenty five of fifty one threes
that you yearned for the mid range. Man, I just
miss old basketball. I don't, and I played older basketball.
I watched it again. I'm not saying those guys aren't great.
Matter of fact, the thing that absolutely positively pisses me
(06:11):
off about guys like JJ Reddick is JJ Redick acting
always like well, Larry Bird's not one of the great
three point shoters all time. Bull It wasn't considered a
great shot, but when he shot the ball, he was
the best at doing it for a star player. So
if al Horford can go from making ten threes his
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first six years in the NBA to being a high
level three point shooter, do you think Larry Effingberd, who
won the three point shooting contest with a shooting shirt on,
shooting jacket on and told everybody in which one he
guys are coming in second? Do you think he couldn't
have been an elite three point shooter again, the idea
that Giannis would have scored two hundred fift the arrogance
(06:57):
of Lebron, the arrogance of JJ to act like those
guys couldn't what's the kid's term level up? Come on, dude,
like Brook Lopez can shoot threes, but Michael Jordan and
Chris Mullen and and Larry Bird couldn't. Of course they could.
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On the other hand, I will side with the new
generation and think all of you people, and I will say,
you people who insist the mid range? Where's the mid range?
I don't like watching new age basketball? Okay, so here's
what you do. I want you to go to baseball
people and go, why don't you bunt anymore? Why don't
(07:43):
you bunt? Or hey, let's let's just go back to
all the inefficient methods of doing anything right. All the
interfestionis instead of group emails, let's handwrite out notes to everyone.
By the way, part of my job as a basketball
(08:04):
coach is I do write thank you notes. My hand
gets so tired. You want to talk about suburban grit.
My ability to sign autographs and write notes on a
regular basis. I almost feel like I'm an arthritic old man.
But really it's just my hand. I can, I can.
I can text and tweet and do whatever for days.
I can talk on the phone for hours. You asked
(08:26):
me to write two thank you notes. I'm like, I
feel like I got carpal tunnel. But would anybody like
to go back to the days of handwritten everything? No? No, hey,
here's what I want you to do. Let's go back
to the days of landlines and no call waiting. You
(08:47):
remember when you got the first time you got party line? Okay, listen,
cover up your mouth, don't be breathing. I'll ask her
if she likes you. Right, you're all a bunch of liars.
It will And newer doesn't always mean better, but it
definitely means more efficient. Right, More efficient is everything in business.
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Don't work harder, work smarter. And then there's the complete
misconception of well, it's a shot that's closer to the basket,
so you gotta make it at a better rate. Let
me ask you something. Do you guys know what the
an elbow? The elbow jump shot is an elbow jump shot.
The elbow is where the lane line. That's where the
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guys stand. You know where a lane line is right
and the free throw line come together right that spot.
Some people call it the short seventeen. Some people call
it the elbow. I don't know what else it's called.
I've always been told it's the elbow, but I've heard
some people say short seventeen. It's a seventeen foot shot
from there, and nobody stands on the actual elbow. So
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a seventeen to nineteen foot shot. In the NBA, the
best players in the world, and I'm talking about from
Kobe Bryant to Kevin Durant, but the current best NBA players,
Kevin Durant, DeMar Derozen who's the best mid range shooter
in the NBA. Put it all in. All the NBA players,
do you know what they shoot from the elbow from
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seventeen to nineteen feet? Thirty seven percent is the number?
Is that an efficient shot? No, if you're going to
shoot a shot inside the lane, an efficient shot is
over that of fifty percent as opposed to thirty three
percent being the barrier for a three point shot. How
(10:40):
do they know, Well, because they do math. Now, it
doesn't mean it's just like sports radio right there is gray.
It doesn't mean you never take an open mid range shot.
It doesn't mean you only but for the most part
ninety five percent. I mean really that there's actually a
different percentile, right. But if you watched last night against Alabama,
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and I'll grant you they were unbelievably efficient. They shot
at a rate that you I have never seen before.
Collectively as a team at a game of that level.
It was like Pleasantville. Do you remember the first part
of Pleasantville when it was black and white right before
one color and every shot went in. That's what it
had to feel like. If you're like BYU. By was like, dude,
(11:24):
we're actually pretty good and we have no ability to
stop Mark Sears and the Crimson Tide. But I'd love
mid range guy to be like they should have.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I didn't enjoy watching that I won mid range jump shots.
I yearned for the days of Kazzie Russell dribbling and
backing a guy down and shooting a finger roll from
seventeen feet.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Go back and watch old NCAA tournament games. Go back
and watch old NBA games. Now. Of course, it's not
true that Yiannis would score two hundred fifty points, because
back in the seventies you would have a power forward
and lane and a center in the lane. There wasn't
space to just back guys down, and the game was
officiated differently as well. And again if we put if
(12:17):
we put him back, then do all the former players
get the diet and the weight training that he gets
now and flying on private private planes and sleeping in
cryo chambers so he takes care of his body?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Of course not.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Even then, the bodies were big and strong. Imagine if
they live modern day weights. Like, are we comparing comparables?
The rules are different, the offense are different, the bodies
are different, everything's different. And yet we're saying, hey, if
you have parachute in Yannis now against them, then with
whose rules he scores two hundred fifty. No, that's laughably
(12:54):
embarrassing to say. But on the other hand, let's not
act like the inefficiencies of the past are something that
should draw us in and make us yearn for it
in the future.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Just not.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Nobody wants to handwrite notes anymore. They just don't. I mean, look,
not everybody apparently in Washington can handle the old group text.
But generally a group text gets things done quite well,
thank you very much. Right, I'm Doug Gottliebin for colling.
This is the Herd Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. This
(13:32):
is and in case you missed it, this was Lebron
earlier this week on McAfee talking about Giannis.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Trying to tell me Giannas wouldn't be able to play
an NBA game in.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
The seventies.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Hit he wouldn't be able.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
To do Yannis answer, the Koufo would have two hundred.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
And fifty points in a game in a seventy's and.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Fifty two hundred and fifty points. Come on, dude, And
by the way, Lebron, in your effort to settle scores
and like we can get into why that conversation even happened.
But he'd scored two hundred fifty points, right, there's two
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other guys in the lane. There aren't guys standing outside
three point line because there was no three point line.
The real world doesn't have all or nothing. It has
a lot of gray. It's not that Jannis would have
stunk or he would have scored two hundred fifty points.
The truth is way more towards the middle. And while
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I know Jannis would, I mean again, he looks like
a smaller Wilt Chamberlain. Wilt Chamberlain was an unbelievable athlete.
Oscar Robertson was an unbelievable athlete. The three point line
had not been introduced, let alone guys being told these
(15:04):
are better shots because of analytics. So which is it? No,
we just say these things to make make us feel better,
either about the past game or the current game. The
reality is, if you watched Alabama play last night, there
isn't a single solitary, non mouth breathing human being that
goes you know, I know they made twenty five to
(15:25):
fifty one threes, but I I just wanted them to
take you know, a MIDI fade away, a La Kobe
mid range. No. No, math works, it just does, right,
math works, It just does. Sometimes it defies the normal
(15:51):
thought press of human beings. I'm watching that earthquake in
Thailand earlier today, right, and you're looking at building swaying
and not coming down or whatever, despite it's like a
seven point seven. And then you look at some of
these old buildings built in the nineteen twenties nineteen thirties
where they thought the more cement the better, right, because
(16:13):
common logic would would lead you to believe that the
heavier the building, the less likely it is to crumble. Correct. Yeah,
well ask anybody in La. Those buildings are light. Those
buildings sway. If there's an earthquake, they're gonna move like
seven or eight feet, which, again the video tells me,
don't ever get on a rooftop pool ever, ever, period. Stop.
(16:34):
I don't. I don't care the likelo of an earthquake.
If there's a if you're on a fiftieth floor building
and there's a bunch of supermodels out there, they're in bikinis,
I ain't getting that pool. I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna
watch them behind the windows because I just saw that video.
But math works, It explains it. It makes it easy,
it makes it more efficient. They found that lighter and
(16:57):
oftentimes less materials move okay with the earthquake. I understand
you think a shot closer to the basket is a
better shot, right, that's common life, like, Well, the closer
I get, the more likely I am to make it. Yes,
But when they give you another point for being two
(17:18):
or three steps back further, it's actually better to be
two or step three sets back first, unless you're right
at the rim where you have a higher percentage of
making it and you can get fouled, which gives you
even more efficiency. Any of these people, and that includes
my friend Charles Barkley, who tells me they yearn for
the old olden days are just simply trying to pat
(17:39):
themselves in the back over how great they were, and
they were great in a different era. Stop doing it.
If you watch Alabama, you're like, that was pretty cool.
Speaking of pretty cool, Coming up next in The Herd,
I'm Doug Gottlieb feeling for Colin Richard Pattino. He built
(18:00):
it's New Mexico into a winter and now he's in
the same league as his dad. What is the process
like of coaching while negotiations are happening with your agent?
And how much do you know? When do you know?
We'll ask it all to him? That's up coming next
in the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 3 (18:26):
Doug Gottliebin, Per Collins, The Herd, Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio app.
Some of you may hurt. I'm also a head coach
now in Division one basketball Green Bay. So just like
every other coach, I'm in portal Kombat mode, pooral combat. Yeah,
and in something that makes absolutely no sense. Basketball's portal
(18:50):
open Monday, and yet we still have basketball games being
played on my television. And it's not just the NCAA tournament.
There's the CBI just finished. Gud's to Illinois State. I
don't know, but there's the NIT which is still ongoing,
and there's the other one, the Crown that's on Fox
Sports one. I have no idea who's even going to
(19:11):
play for those teams because so many of those kids
have entered the real portal or the dark portal, which
is or the pre portaling, which is like pre boarding.
How do you board a plane before you board a plane,
I'm not really sure anyway, to help us kind of
figure it out, and to celebrate whose new job is
the now new head coach of Xavier, who is also
(19:34):
the sitting Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year. He
coached the Lobos to the Mountain West Conference regular season
championship this year. So now formerly of New Mexico and
now Xavier, is Richard Patino and he joins us in
the herd on Fox Sports Radio, Richard, how are you.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Doing good, Dougs? How are you?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I'm great, man, I'm great. You know. It's interesting, Uh
we talked after you lost your job in Minnesota and
then you get a chance to go to a place
like New Mexico. What was the experience like last time
you switched jobs going from Minnesota to New Mexico in
(20:15):
terms of kind of onboarding and getting that thing going.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Yeah, I would say substantially different, right, emotional on both
sides of it. But I think more than anything, new opportunities.
You know, I learned from both, you know, New Mexico.
I didn't have a great feel for the area by
any means, and spent eight years of you know, really
(20:43):
enjoyed Minnesota, but was looking forward to it, you know.
So learned a lot in both and just get better
and better, you know. And I think Xavier is a
great opportunity and excited about it. So, but you know,
all the moving and you got kids and all that.
That can be very stressful for everybody. So trying to
put together a roster, trying to figure out moving and
(21:04):
transitioning and all that. But it's a great opportunity.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Okay, So now you're killing it in New Mexico. You
guys have an unbelievable following Donovan Dent, an unbelievable player
that's been with you for a couple of years, and
you're going to the NCAA tournament, and yet there's all this.
You know, all of a sudden, the Xavier job comes
open because Sean Miller, even though he was coaching against Texas,
it seemed like everybody in the business knew he was
(21:28):
leaving for Texas. What's that like to manage all that, right,
because again, you're managing your roster, the potential for your
future roster in New Mexico, there's whispers about this other job, okay,
and then you got to figure out my wife, kid's family,
all that stuff and potentially moving and oh yeah, by
the way, you had your team playing in the NCAA tournament.
How'd you manage all that?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
You know, it's a lot. I know the coaches are
bad guys. I know a good friend of mine, Kevin Willer,
is dealing with it right now. Whether you could say
handle it differently or whatever, I don't know. But coaches
are being put in a tough spot. I mean, not
that I want people to feel sorry for us by
any means, but schools are starting earlier and earlier because
of the portal. You know, and people reach out. Doesn't
(22:11):
mean that you're interviewing by any means, or you're spending
the whole day away from your program, but you certainly
want to see what you know these people are talking about.
For the Xavier experience, it really all happened after the season. Now,
I had some other kind of balls in the air,
so to speak, but I was not going to leave
New Mexico unless it felt right. And you know, when
(22:34):
Xavier reached out, that was one like, Okay, I can
be back closer to my family, I can be in
the Big East, which I truly believe with this new
model of not sharing rev share with football is an advantage.
I loved the Big East. I grew up with it,
so it felt right. It really did. So you know,
(22:54):
it's all the rumors and all that. Some of it's true,
some of it was not, but it wasn't real hard
to lock in on the season and just you know,
just just stay in the moment more than anything.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Okay, So now you take over a new job at Xavier.
This is your fourth job, right, fourth job that you've had.
What's the process like now as opposed to the other three, Right,
there wasn't the full portal when you got to New Mexico.
There wasn't any of this when you got to Minnesota.
And obviously when you get to FIU, what's the process
(23:24):
like now for you?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Yeah, I mean way different as it pertains to recruiting.
I don't even know if it's called recruiting anymore. I
mean it's just you know, FIU, there was no transfer deal,
so you really really were trying to establish the culture
and not even worry about wins and losses. And we
got some good transfers that we liked. Sitting out Minnesota
was the traditional recruiting New Mexico. When I got here,
(23:49):
you weren't allowed to go recruiting because of the pandemic,
So we added a bunch of players off of zooms.
But those last three years where we really excelled were
and I own transfer portal. So we've got a body
of work in the new profession that we're in of
even Okay, Donovan Dean is the number one transfer in
the country right now. JT. Topping is the number one
(24:12):
in the country out of our program go to Texas Tech.
So I think we have a body of work of
we have one in this deal. We've got some really
good players that we've recruited and developed. But it's all
about right now. It's about zooms. It's about putting together
your staff, you know. So we've got it seems daunting
(24:32):
because you're really taking over a new roster, but everybody's
going to have to deal with this right now. So
it's about kind of spending your money wisely and evaluating
properly and you know, just just turning over every stone,
so to speak, and figure it out.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, it's super interesting. You mentioned that you don't have
to revenue share with football, but you also don't have
maybe the revenue or possibly the reach of football. Okay,
and we're watching we're watching the haves and the have nots, right,
like you being a part, Like we're not even in
the ballpark, right and the Mountain West is kind of
in that Curious has been really successful. Is you know,
(25:07):
New Mexico incredibly well supported. But there's always going to
be a difference between Mexico and the Big East and
then a chasm between New Mexico and the SEC and
Big Ten where do you think the Big East settles
in regards to the comparison and io wise of how
much you have in the bank.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
It's really really difficult to figure that out. You know.
I did have conversations with some schools with football and
just trying. Everybody has no idea what the future holds.
I think the Big East is in an amazing position
of strength because they don't have a cap. You know
(25:46):
that nobody is spending twenty point five million on men's
basketball or women's basketball, right, so you know, the growth
opportunities for all of these programs would know, football, I
think are phenomenal and that was appealing. That was one
of the main factors of why I took the job
was because we got to build rosters and it's it's
(26:09):
way more transactional now than it ever is, and who
knows what it'll change, But I think the Big East, Yeah,
you know, if they cap men's basketball at the power
for level at three and a half million or whatever,
and then they say that they're going to really crack
down on the deals, the nil deals, I think the
(26:29):
Big East is in a great position of strength. But
it's it's like anything else, it's about continue to grow
and invest in your program, because if you don't, you're
gonna get left behind.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
It's one thing to compete against your dad once a year,
it's a whole other thing to recruit against or you know,
portal against your dad, right and then coach against your dad,
you know, twice a year. And obviously Saint John's he
flipped that thing in year two and they they seem
to be on a different level and io wise than
some of the other teams in the Big East.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Have you thought about what this is going to be like,
you know, it's only really a thing when with media.
You know, it's not traditional recruiting anymore. I don't care
what anybody says. It's just not so it's maybe not
as emotional like it used to be back in the
old days when we started. I just think it's about,
you know, how we're going to invest as we're going
(27:21):
against my dad. Like listen, he's a young seventy two,
but who knows how much longer he goes, you know,
and I just want him to be happy when we
play him two times a year. Like I understand the
hoopla that's going to go with it, and that's fine,
but we're both going to try to beat each other.
It's no real difference, So that was not even a
(27:42):
little bit of I didn't even think about it when
seeking this job.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Will you ever get him in a quarter zip? You
know somebody coaches have gone to the quarter zip. He
still wears those beautiful suits. Will you ever get him
in the quartersip?
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Yeah, I'm not happy about that. That's the only thing
that I don't like about the Big East is I
know that my dad does it. I know that there's
another one that wears suits in that league as well
that we got to get him out of. So who
knows If Kevin Willard goes to Villanova he wears suits
as well, so we'll see. You know, that's something I'm
(28:14):
going to band together and fight with because I love
the quarters up.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Richard Pertino, head coach of Exit Savior of the New
head coach. He's the reigning Mountain West Conference Coach of
the Year, coaching the Lobos in New Mexico to the
Mountain West Championship. This season. He joins us in the
Hurdhum Doug gotlib filling in for Colin. You know, again,
I don't know if you find this interesting. Bodue I'm
watching Alabama play last night. They make twenty five out
(28:40):
of fifty one threes, and I'm thinking of your dad,
right because your dad, when he got to Providence, he
was the first one to really really embrace the three
point shot. And yet you have so many people who
sit there and I feel like they say that they
just tell lies, Like, man, I wish I missed the
old days of the mid range pull up in guys
back people down, Like I don't know, like you got
(29:03):
the mix of old school and new school or your dad,
but your dad was the first of the truly new school.
When you watch Alabama shoot fifty one threes, what do
you think?
Speaker 5 (29:12):
You know? It's interesting because obviously they've really dove right
in with the three point shot. I understand the value
of offensive rebounding opportunities. Obviously threes are worth more than two.
But I don't know if I want to shoot a
million of them if I'm shooting like twenty eight percent
from them, So I kind of think every team is different.
(29:35):
That was fascinating to watch last night, for sure, to
see that many threes. You know, so it's obviously working,
But I've never seen that many threes taken into it
seems to try to be evolving into a more MBA
model more than anything.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, it really does. We circle back to the nil.
What is it like to be coaching and to think
to your there's that deflating feeling of hey, look I
got my guys, we're really good, but that other team
has two x three x of the money we have
and the reality is, more times than not, we're just
not going to be as good. That's that's part of
why everybody's moving up players and coaches and otherwise. Fair.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think it is definitely a concern
of the have separating from the have nots. Somebody's always
going to have more money than you. You've just got
to do a very very good job of spending wisely.
Not easy, right, but you know, you've got to really
really evaluate how you're going to spend it. It's like
pro sports, and it's not going to change until I
(30:36):
don't know if Congress or whoever figures this out, because
it's going to be hard to kind of limit their money.
So you know, I mean, we've beaten teams this year
who had more money than we did. We've lost the
teams who had less money than we did, so we're
just trying to take it year by year. I always
tell the players, like, our goal is certainly to win championships,
but we want to increase your value. And we certainly
(30:59):
did that with a lot of players in our program
and we were able to win.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Okay, most important question is you did the perfect job
of leaving. You had the note on social media, you
had the quotes, you had the video, you had all
the different right messages. Plus you stayed through it through
the full cycle. You know, you stay four years like
all right, kind of runs. Of course, you won the
league and then you're out. All good. Did you say
goodbye to Snake before you left?
Speaker 5 (31:23):
I did not say goodbye to Snake. You only normally
see Snake on game day. But I'll have to reach
out to them. Yeah, I mean it is emotional. I
think the time is right, you know. I think we
did a lot of great things. You know, my daughter's
going to go into high school, so the timing there
is really good. And you know, the uncertainty of the
(31:43):
Mountain West was certainly a concern, and I just think
in a very very unstable profession, the Big East is
about a stable of the conferences you're going to get
right now.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, well, listen, you left it better than you found it.
You left it an incredible shape. Xavier is a great
place at Sintas Center is it's not the pit, but
it's still an incredible home court. And obviously the Big
East is an unbelievable conference. Hey man, congrats on the
new gig. Congrats on an amazing season, and best of
luck here in portal season.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
All right, thank you for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
All right, that's Richard Pertino, the new head coach of
x That's Xavier, the Musketeers right in the Queens City
of Cincinnati. And no, we didn't do the proverbial skyline
chili sort of yuckety yuck sort of thing. No, we
did not. We not do that. We could have done
Greaters ice cream. Right, oh, Greaters ice really really really good.
Let's get to Greg Twoe with the news.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
No, no, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Hello, Greag two.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Hello.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
That just doesn't say I had the same ring to
it as music does it.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's all right.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
I'm not offended Doug a little bit. I mean, you
wouldn't have brought it up if you weren't offended. That
is true.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
That is true.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Hey, what a wild day of sports yesterday. We had
Opening Day in baseball, we had March Madness Weet sixteen,
we had the NBA and uh, this was crazy. The
Bulls Laker game less night. I know you have a
lot lot more to say about Lebron's turnovers last night
or turnover, but let's just take a couple minutes to
unpack this thing real quick. So the Bulls shot the
(33:13):
Lakers one nineteen one seventeen last night. But let's start
with this. The Lakers were leading by five with twelve
seconds to go, and then this happened.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Twelve seconds left, Buls at the hurry weird get it.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Into Foodshovitch, quick pastor Williams big shock for three.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
He Pa came nine point eight left three. Oh, here's god, Daddy,
good day.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
Up for the lead, quick, big time lags Kobe lights
so zeroa gay So we had a three a Bulls three,
a Lebron turnover and then at Kobe White three from
the corner, putting the Bulls up one.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
That was thanks to Bulls TV, the Great Adam Amine
and Stacey King. So the Bulls are up by one.
Doug was six seconds left, the Lakes have the ball.
Then this happened.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Here's Reem reems taken. There's a lot of timeouts. Two
seconds one day, I get that.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Unbel possible.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Oh okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, I gotta
I gotta ask this. Okay, you told me you didn't
know before the show, right, I did not know? Ryan?
Do you know what that reference, Elizabeth? I'm coming to you, Elizabeth, right,
do you know what that's in reference to Red Fox? Yeah? Hey,
that's good, Okay, Red Fox and Sanford and Son unbelievable
(34:59):
TV show boxes now to seize comedian. Right, and he
used to it's the big one. I'm coming for you, Elizabeth.
Adam I mean did not There's no way he knew
what that references too. I love Adam, he's great, but
there's no chance Adam like quality pull there all albeit
(35:19):
dated like that even predates that Caddyshack sort of pull right,
be the bull.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
You're doing.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
The no no, no, no no, but what the heck?
Speaker 6 (35:33):
I mean what Like we talked yesterday, Colin talked about
how the Bull the Lakers are kind of they're you know,
they're kind of on cruise control. They're just waiting to
get to the postseason. They're kind of getting bored. And
last night, like with that Lebron turnover and just the
fact just the lack of basicle down the stretch they
(35:54):
weren't in last night.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It was it wasn't just that. It wasn't just that
it was and just the turnover the three before Lebron,
James goes and helps, Like if you're switching everybody end
of a game on an out out of bounds play, okay,
and at the time they're up six, why is he helping?
You don't help?
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
And oh yeah, by the way, if you really want
to get down to it, do you know what you're
supposed to do when you're when you're up six late
in the game, under fifteen seconds? What you know what
you're supposed to do? What you're supposed to foul intentionally?
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Many coaches will say you should. Yeah, why why do
you foul intentionally so you don't lose?
Speaker 5 (36:35):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
No, but what happened again, you're up six, you're up
six on the inbounds pass, Why do you foul? Tell
me it? Maintain no matter what, it's a two possession game, right.
Everybody talks about fouling like last night Cali Perry. Should
he foul, not foul? It was eleven seconds, you don't foul. Okay,
But but three point you're up three under seven seconds,
(36:57):
you foul. But if you're up six, you foul. Hey,
you foul. Here's why. If you foul, they make both
free throws. Lebron takes the ball and bounds. Even if
he turns it over and they hit a three, then
you still are up a point. Okay, it's still at two.
You want to maintain it being a two possession game.
When you're up six with under twenty seconds to go,
the only thing that can beat you is three points
(37:19):
on one shot right and and one or whatever you
get it. You foul right away. So you know, look,
I am far from perfect, and we had a terrible record. Okay,
But to anybody who says that they're doing things in
LA analytically, either they didn't tell him to do it
or the players didn't do it. And then Lebron leaving
his man to help when you're if you're switching and
(37:42):
you're trying to take away three point shots, why Lebron
helped give up a three?
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Then?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yes, lack of leys just throws the ball in Mounts,
they steal a neck down of three. I mean, then
Reeves makes the layup, and I mean that's a miracle
obviously for the Bulls to win that game. But there
was so much to that, so much to that. I'll
tell you analytically what happened with the with the Arkansas
the Texas Tech comeback again up six, but that was
a minute ten to go, and what happened But in
that one, what a complete meltdown by the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
And that's the news.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
News Doug Gottliebin for Colin. This is the Herd. Yesterday
was opening day in Major League Baseball and the most
Angels thing ever happened. Why are we talking about the Angels? Well,
because it tracks. It's next in the hurt.
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Speaker 3 (39:34):
Doug Golibit for Collins. I heard Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app.
I'm gonna do a stephen A. Smith correction. Lakers are
up five, so you don't file when you're up five,
it's you're up six, then you foul. That makes it
even worse. Said, why would you if Lebron James leave
a shooter in the corner and try and help a
teammate out right, don't you don't do that. You switch,
(39:55):
and you keep the guy in front, and you make
them take a cat tested shot, and then you don't
turn the basketball over. Yesterday was Opening Day in Major
League Baseball. Just baseball in kind of a curious place
because in terms of overall talent wise, it's amazing how
many young players are blowing up the athleticisms back in
(40:19):
the game. The games are shorter, they're better. I think baseball, honestly,
in terms of play, isn't a great place. I don't
know if it's not too late where so many think
baseball is boring and it is actually the past time.
But whatever, baseball, you know, leaving ESPN at the end
of this year, it's just in a weird place. I
think we can all kind of admit that. But it
(40:41):
was opening Day, and this is you know, like opening
Day part du if you will, because obviously the Dodgers
and the Cubs had Opening Day of their own going
back to Japan, and that was like a week ago. Right,
So now you have teams playing a bunch of baseball games,
and yesterday I thought was the perfect embodiment of things
(41:01):
that track. What do you what do I mean by that?
The Dodgers moved themselves to three and oh on the
year they won two in Japan, and yesterday they won
well because, among other things, they had show, Hey Otani, they.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Scay out toward right field. There's a jet stream there
for show.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
If he wants it. On three to two, he swings
and goes the opposite field left field, drifting back toward
the wall.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
He's gone. That's on a five seventy the Dodgers Radio network.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
So, on one hand, you had the Dodgers Blake Snell, who,
of course, uh, I think he's one. He's want to
sy young. Of course, he pitched Game seven against the
Dodgers back in the COVID World Series. You know, Blake
Snell wins his first game as a Dodger, they get
a save. They moved to three and oh. Right, the
Dodgers are playing serious competitive baseball games. Then you have
(41:54):
the Angels and you know, full disclosure, I grew up
in Orange, California, Orange in the city of Orange and
Orange County. The Angels on opening Day against the White Sox,
who were far and away the worst team in baseball
last year. Now we are down eight nothing and lose
eight to one. But they actually used a position player
to pitch late in the game, like the idea that
(42:15):
I'm that forty five minutes apart, the Dodgers win their
home opener and the Angels. Now he lose, but lose
to the White Sox and throw out a position player
day one. That's the most Angels thing ever. Right? Oh yeah,
by the way, the guy that hit the three run
home run for the Dodgers, he used to be an Angel, right.
That is salt in the wound. YEP. That tracks. That
(42:40):
definitely tracks. This is The Hurt on Fox Sports Radio.
I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Coming up next
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!