May 29, 2025 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
Kenny Dillingham, Arizona State football coach, brilliant young coach, is
going to be joining us as well. Jmack listen last
night in a laugher. Not much of a game, and
I understand this. I have said during the Pacers Nickson,
stop beating up on the Knicks. It's about the Pacers.
They have the best point guard and the best offense
and the best pace in the league. And I feel
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like this with Minnesota, like they're not as good as Okay, see,
they don't have they don't have the depth, they don't
have the youth, they don't have multiple guys who can
score like that, and so I just I feel like
we should kind of honor okac An SGA more than
Hammer Minnesota a.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Reasonable take to start the show call, and I like it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I like it, So let's start with that obviously. Okay,
see that game was over in about seven minutes. The
great thing about Sga, of the many great things, what
I really like is he is delivering and fulfilling everything
I've been told Jason Tatum does but doesn't really. Last year,
the Celtics go on their championship run, Jalen Brown's the
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MVP of the Eastern Conference Finals, Jalen Brown's the Finals MVP,
and Jalen Brown's the aggressor and often the initiator. SGA
wants the ball, is always the aggressor, and he plays
Williams home Gred. He's got multiple great players around him,
but he is clearly the alpha. And that's all I
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ever asked with Tatum and got pushedback. You know, that's
I'm holding Jason Tatum to the standard. You guys all
lectured me on for years on Lebron when Lebron didn't
take the shot. He's the alpha, he's the one. If
he wants to be MJ, he's got to always take
the shot. Okay, Well that's the standard of SGA and
Yokic right now. Like like, I think both Jokic and
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SGA can elevate teammates, and clearly do elevate teammates. But
there is no question in this Oklahoma City room or
that Denver locker room, or in the huddle or any
time there's a late possession who's the man. And I mean,
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we could crush the t Wolves right They were awful.
Their effort was weak. But this series is not about
the t Wolves and the Knicks pacers, which I think
will end soon. Is not really about the Knicks failures.
Indiana is the best offense in the league with the
best pace. Okac is easily the best defense and the
greatest score. I mean, SGA is only the fourth player
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in twenty years to win the MVP and reach the finals.
The other three Steph, Kobe, and Lebron. I don't know
that feels historic to me, So I just I look
at them. Between SGA and Okac's defense. This is gonna
be a great final. I get the best offense, I
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get the best defense, I get the best point guard,
and I get the best score. And I know it's
not catchy, and I know it doesn't sound, you know, dynamic,
but I think SGA's nickname should be the standard. This
is the standard for a true number one in the
locker room, in the huddle, every big possession. He is
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a number one has to be dominating, offensively, understood by all,
even his talented teammates, debilitating to your defense, an adult,
consistent number one on the bus, on the plane, in
the room. S G Alpha the Western Conference Finals, undisputed, MVP.
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This is not about Minnesota's failures. It's about a historic player.
He's one of three guys in league history to have
thirty points five plus assists at least ten times in
the playoffs. Mjan lebron to the other two. This kid
is special. Every time he talks, every time he leads,
you just see what a one should be. And here
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he is after winning the conference finals. MVP.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, it's a really good feeling. Think Stuffy Jim about
as a kid, and then, of course I want to
think my teammates Without them, I'm nothing. Claire's day. I
don't have one hundred and twenty fourth point by myself.
I love these guys to death. With all that being said,
this is a step in the right direction where we
have a lot more work to do and we know that,
and that's the word focused on.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So oh, buckle up and you're ready.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Listen. They won by an average margin of twelve point
nine points per game. And I understand, like veteran teams
in the regular season, don't give it. You know, Lebron's
going to take some night offs, and the older players,
you know, they're dinged up a little bit. I understand
their youth is a big component to it. But here's
what else is. This is as good a defensive team
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as I remember. Now. Detroit Pistons were great, but you
could tackle back then. That was a little different. But
given what you can do now, you can't really you
can't handcheck, you can't use that forearm on your back,
given what you're allowed to do by NBA protocol and rules,
this is the best defense I've ever seen. They hound,
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they confound they're aggressive to rim protectors on the back end.
Even SGA plays defense and is long like this is
as good as defense gets, so we can bang on Minnesota,
but they're not built to beat this team. Julius Randold's
probably a three, not a two. Go Beart's got no offense,
Conley great veteran presence, not an offensive threat, and Ant
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just isn't there yet to single handedly beat this offense.
Way to go? Okay, See all right, listen. I don't
want to make a big deal out of this, but
some pretty interesting information trickled over my phone from the
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Cleveland browns Ota yesterday. I'm not great at math, but
let's put the numbers up for the television audience. It
appears in the four quarterback derby. Hmm. Again, not a mathematician,
but one of them has more tds than completions. That
feels important to me. Despite the fact that Shadu Sanders
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had the fewest attempts, he was the most efficient and
most productive with the fewest reps, so the quarterback tracker
for those radio audience members. Flacco was nine for fourteen
in a touchdown pickt nine for sixteen no touchdown, Dylan
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Gabriel eleven of sixteen, two touchdowns on a pick, and
Sanders seven of nine three touchdowns, no picks. This justin
I've seen enough. I'm calling in a rap. The Herd
newsroom is calling it in Ohio by a landslide. Shaduur
Sanders should be starting. We are calling Ohio as the
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projected winner in a race that is not as close
as the fake news projected. You can keep selling me
on Picket. You can keep selling me on Dylan Gabriel.
Now Flacco, I buy flacoh. I like, he's one of
my one of my favorite guys that's ever played in
the league. He's like everybody likes Flacco, and I think
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he's gonna win the starting job. Initially, I really like Flaco,
but I'm calling it. I'm calling it for Shador and
here's Flacco on Shador.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Shador has been great.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I mean, he's a lot of fun to be around
in those meeting rooms. And I think once, I think
so far there's been you know, at least once in
the media room that he's he's made me crack a smile.
And and that's what it's all about. You know, he's
a young guy trying to learn some football and and
come out here and practice well and do those things.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
And like I said, he's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay, you you know people either everybody's trying to sell you.
I mean, TikTok's selling you. IG's selling you using filters.
Everybody is selling you stuff. Now people are talking about
the election that wasn't for Biden and was for Trump.
Everybody's selling me their takes. You all keep selling me.
I got scouts telling me he's a fifth or a
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six round talent all I know, with very average personnel
outside of Travis Hunter, against the very best teams he played,
they didn't win games, but he was highly productive, and
a lot of college quarterbacks against the best teams with
better teammates weren't as productive, size, movement, accuracy. I like him.
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I know I didn't love I didn't love the legendary
draft room stuff. I thought it was a lacked a
little self awareness. But again, you're twenty one, you're twenty two.
You know we were all running around pulling fire hydrants
in college. So I mean, you know, you know, you know,
the pull the lever in college dorm rooms. We were
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all idiots at some point. We all had, you know,
lack of judgment or self awareness. I'm not going to
crush anybody for that. But I think he's really I
think he's really talented, and I think you're seeing it.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
We're calling it for Ohio. Oh boy, you know what else?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I've left the station and it's May for shoud door standards.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Okay, got it? Okay, Ota stats, that's a new one.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Let me let me just throw this at you. Back
to Oklahoma City. So like when you lose a playoff
series or are losing a playoff series. We've talked about
this with the Knicks, is like you kind of see
what doesn't work against an elite team. Brunson and Cat
on the floor in the Anna kind of abuses him,
so you probably want to move off Cat. You could
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keep him if you added another catch and shoot guy,
but you can see your problems when you face an
elite team, Like you watch the t Wolves and you're like, oh,
you know, Julius randall is it was fun, but boy,
when you play Okc's defense, he is really limited and
Aunt isn't there yet, so you great teams are clarity.
Like when Andrew Locke came into the NFL and was
eleven and five the bad roster, You're like, oh, Yeah,
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that's what great is. You can be eleven and five
without a Pro Bowl or anywhere near the offense. But
here's another takeaway and I'll get into it later. The
t Wolves ran the Lakers out of the building and
can't compete against OKC. So for all those thinking we're
inches away, the t Wolves bodied the Lakers, physically pushed
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them around. Dude, they could not compete in this series.
They had one really good game, one of five. So
I'm just saying, greatness creates clarity. If you think you're
closed or you think you're flawless, but you don't think
you have vulnerabilities. Oklahoma City Indiana Pacers show you the
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truth and you have to grasp the truth. You have
to embrace the truth. You can't push back and be defensive.
But Laker fans, Minnesota bodied you. They got blown out
of the building in this series.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
Colin, I love it.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I can't help my son with eighth grade math. He's
doing like the advanced math.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I don't I have to ask jah gbt okay, but
I do remember in elementary school there were the all
these math properties. If A plus B equal C. Just
because Minnesota smashed the Lakers. It does not mean that
the Lakers can't beat OKAC. They match up great with OKC.
That essentially the Thunder had two rounds to watch Anthony
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Edwards and they were like, oh, here's.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
How we stop him.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Let's put up a picket wall at the free throw
line and say you're not getting in the lane.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
We'll go go ahead and have Jaydon.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
McDaniels shoot the lights out or Julius Randall and Minnesota didn't.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Nobody else showed up for them in the series, and
it was it was a rap. I still I think.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Your worst take in the NBA playoffs has been the
Lakers are far off.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
I think you're way way wrong there. But again, maybe
I'm being a Lebron Homer. Yeah.
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You are now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by
Credible Great Rates and none of the bold. So Bears
quarterback Caleb Williams has said it's a bit of a distraction,
but he finally addressed yesterday. I'll get to it in
a second seth Wickersham. Great writer ESPN has come out
with a book called American King's Biography of the Quarterback,
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and it revealed that Caleb and his dad did at
one point, you know, consider ways to avoid going to
the Bears based on their chaotic history and their inability
to elevate quarterbacks. Uh So, finally yesterday he addressed it,
and here's Kleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
You know, I wanted to come here and you know,
be the guy and be a part and be a
reason or why you know, Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Turn this thing around.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
So that last thing that was said, and all of that,
I think was the most important thing is that I
wanted to be here and I love being here.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I love my teammates. So my take is different. There
was a radio host in New York that said, he's
been breath takingly entitled and I'll get to that in
a second, but I don't think being concerned about an
environment or a job before you get there at twenty
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two to twenty three years old or older is entitled.
A historically chaotic business, the Chicago Bears and offense. It's
like global travel for the rest of us. What's my budget,
what are the safest parts. I'm new. I don't know
it very well. I want to do my homework. It's
called due diligence utilizing available information. Listen, if you may
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need a malaria shot, if you travel to certain parts
of Africa. I don't think you're an entitled traveler. I
just think that's the reality. And Caleb and his dad
looked at the history of the Bears and thought, yeah,
they've never had a four a thousand yard passer. It's
probably not all on the quarterback. It could be the
ownership in the front office and you know, a Steeler
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like devotion to defense. And they were right. Again, I
don't think that's entitled. I think it's intelligent. When you
buy a house, are you Are you entitled if you're like, yeah,
this neighborhood, I got kids, it's not walkable. I don't
think it's safe. I don't like the schools. I don't
think you're entitled. You can afford a better house, go
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buy it, so you know, I listen. Tayleb Williams and
I actually have a lot in common. We just moved
to Chicago. Now only one of us takes the train
to work, but we both moved to Chicago. I was
warned about whether he was warned about the Bears. I
think it's okay. I think when you're talking about young people,
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twenty four year olds now, they don't go to a restaurant,
they don't go to a restaurant without reading Yelp reviews.
They don't do it. I mean they just I mean,
I watch my kids. I lean on my kids for
this stuff. I think it's breathtaking lee out of touch
or tone deaf to think a twenty three year old.
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And historically in the NFL, you get one shot to
be a number one if a team moves off you.
Now things have changed over the last four or five
years with Donald and Gino and Baker, But most of
my life, first team that drafts you, that's your big shot.
You'll come with baggage and a reputation everywhere else. I
mean Baker is difficult, No, he's not. Gino doesn't have it,
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yes he does. Darnald can't can't play without being reckless.
Oh wait, he got the right coach. So maybe Caleb,
if it doesn't work in Chicago, will get other opportunities.
But we are in the age of information, and nobody
is better at finding and accumulating and using that information
than twenty and thirty year olds. So I don't have
a problem with it. He decided on Chicago. The fact
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that it made it out isn't entitled. It's honest. He
didn't have to tell us that. Give the reporter credit
Seth Wickersham who found it, and the athlete and the
dad who were honest enough to admit it. There's a
lot of stuff out there that like this, we just
don't hear about. You know, I always said this when
Tiger Woods got caught fooling around. You think he's the
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only golfer to ever do that. They all fly golf streams.
He's the only one on the road, all right, That's
just the one you heard about. This is just a concern.
Like the Mannings, they did a lot of this stuff.
They did it behind the scenes. You just didn't know
much about it. Or John Elway and Jack his dad.
You just didn't hear about it. This stuff. I mean,
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it's just the way we live now. We get all
the information. You can't hide anything. It could be the
White House or a football team. J Mack with a
news no, no, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
All right, Colin, let's jump right into it.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
The nick said Pacers play again tonight. New York, looking
to save their season, got some bad news. Carl Anthony
Towns listened as questionable after bumping.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Me here Withney Smith.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Towns went down was limping badly the rest of the
you know, the final minute, which took like fifteen minutes.
Timm's thinks that he's probably gonna.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Be able to play. But you can't have your number.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Two score listen as questionable with the season on the line.
I don't know if the Knicks show up here, Colin.
This is an Indiana Pacers team that just watched Oklahoma
City last night, just dispatch Minnesota, and you know they're
chomping at the bit to get their their shot at Okay,
see I for for starters. I'm not betting this game.
I didn't even look at a line. I don't know
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that you could take the nixt years and I can no.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I think. I also think you can't fool players, and
I think next players. Very early in this Celtic series,
the Knick players felt like we are in Boston's head
even before Tatum was injured. Five minutes before Tatum was injured.
I felt like this coulda be a next series. They're
in Boston's head. I think I think the Knicks realize
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they have some deficiencies with Cat and Brunson that Indiana
keeps exposing over and over and over and over again.
And I think they're well aware that Indiana is better
with pace and almost as good in the half court.
And I think you can't fool players. You can talk
and have hubris and confidence, but I think Knicks players
know Indiana's a rough matchup for them, just like just
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like Boston, it took them a while to figure it out.
But like like the Knicks, with the NBA allowing physicality
and a slow whistle, the Knicks were a real problem
for Boston and Cleveland. So I just I think Indiana
is the better team.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Well in this series so far they have been.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I will point out latter the Knicks led Indy three
to two and lost the series in seven.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Of course, Brunson got hurt in Game seven, but Colin,
they've won. The Knicks have lost the turnover battle in
every game in this series. Yep, you can't have that.
Like Josh Hart, stop being sloppy with the ball. Karl
Anthony Towns, like, you know, stop flailing in the lane.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Like they're just not buttoned up as you like to
say for NFL teams. Offensively, the Pacers have shot over
fifty two percent on twues in every game.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
It's like the Knicks just has Maybe it's like.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Beating Boston they felt like, hey, we slayed the Dragon
team we couldn't beat the last two years.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
We take him down, and.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
All of a sudden they just forgot, like, oh, we've
got to like still play basketball.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
So it's kind of disappointing. I'm not expecting to win
next up.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
NFL calling Jayden Daniels incredible first year in the league.
Offensive coordinator Cliff Kingsbury says, the sky is the limit
in year two. Here he is gassing up Jaden Daniels growth.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
I mean just watching him move around, He's not thinking
as much. He's playing fast and letting his natural gifts
kind of take over, and that's what we want to see.
So I expect him to take a big jump. Yeah.
He works extremely hard. I mean, that's all he kind
of thinks about is how he can get better. Watches
a ton of film, watches a ton of football overall,
and so that organically really takes care of hisself in
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a way. When you have a guy who wants to
be that great, he is very highly motivated to be
as good as he can be. And that's what was
exciting for the organization.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
How about this?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Colin Washington added a I don't know about elite, but
very good left tackle and Laramie Punzel.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
I added a formerly elite weapon in Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, he's still a great quarterback and a good offense
and a great offensive coordinator.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Washington did the Super Bowl? Is that too exciting?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well, I think they're in the bubble. You know, we
do that Super Bowl bubble. I think they're absolutely in
the bubble. I think Jaden Daniels is you know, people
talk about a sophomore slump, but you just go back
to the first month, first five six games, when he's
going twenty eight to thirty one, and I think the
thing about Jaden Daniels, beyond his athletic ability and his accuracy,
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it's really unprecedented. Even better than Andrew Luck was his poise.
He was so good in the two minute drill, so
good on third and fourth down with very few mistakes.
I mean Andrew luck was remarkable, but Andrews, who picks
Andrew was really aggressive. Jade and Daniel's ability to be
a top three quarterback in the league late in games
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is something I've never I said it. Mahomes wasn't that good.
I mean, Mahomes didn't play as a rookie except for
Week seventeen. Like to come out of college first year
playing all those games. Lamar didn't play until week eleven.
I've never seen a rookie quarterback as poised as him.
Completion percentage, yards per carry, rushing yards, two minute drill,
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I've never seen anything like it. Well, now, Washington had.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
RG three whose rookie year was unbelievable if you remember that,
but then he had the injury and kind of fell
apart from him.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Listen, CJ.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Stroud, we saw him regress in year two, right, pulled
back a little bit last year, and they went and
got Stefan.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Diggs for him. Is there a world where he regresses?
I just like keeping Kingsbury.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I think Kingsbury is maybe a top five offensive coordinator
in the league, maybe top three.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Well, the advantage he has over c. J. Stroud is
that you get thirty percent more playbook. If your quarterback
runs like Jaden Daniels or Lamar Jackson c J. Stroud.
His comp coming out of college, which I thought was fair,
was Jared Goff. And that's why I said when I
was I said, I think, I think Jared Goff and
c J. Stroud are a great comp. And Jared Goff's
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been to a Super Bowl. It wasn't a knock on him.
But his comp was in the pocket throwing darts with protection.
He's really good. That's not a criticism. Jared Goff comp
is not a criticism. It is a reality of a
lack of mobility. C J. Stroud has more than golf,
but I think when you do have hyper athleticism, it
just allows you more plays.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
And Jaden Daniels opens with the New York Giants. That
should be a win, Packers, Raiders, Falcons, Colin. I think
they're going to be favored in three of those four
could be a four and oh start for Washington two.
Just put the Super Bowl futures. Just consider it. This
seem's really good man and their coach we know he's
very good as well. Final story cons The Big Ten
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has been running college football pretty much the last two
years right, Michigan Ohio State went back to.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Back with championships.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Brian Kelly, the LSU coach, was asked at SEC spring
meetings about scheduling the Big Ten in the regular season.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
We have a depth in this league from top to bottom,
and that we are the premier league in the country.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You could do that in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
You can do it in the playoffs, so absolutely, but
you can also show yourself during the regular season. Brian
Kennell went on to say Colin he wants to He
would love to have like a partner the Big Ten.
Pick someone in the SEC and they do battle every year.
He's like pushing for it.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I do believe he probably has an agenda. Hey, I
got dim Gun Rutgers. You know, I don't want to
play I stay in the regular season.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
But this is interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Wanting to actually play someone runs counter to what you
were saying about USC and Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Well, I think you know of a lot of people.
Bruce Feldman said yesterday that the Big Ten last couple
of years has been better at the top, but the
SEC in the middle will be better. And my take
is both Washington, Washington has always been a playoff team
or close when they have the right coach, and I
think Jedfish is the right coach. I think it was
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a rebuild, culture changing year from Kaitlin de Borsa. Washington
will be much better this year, and USC historically is
a top ten to twelve program. So my take is
both USC and Washington were in the midst of a rebuild. Oregon,
Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State are a really good
top four. If Washington and USC just become what I
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think they will be with offensive coaches, that's sixteep of
really good teams. Not to mention, I think Matt Rule
in Nebraska is really good. So my take is right
now about the Big ten SEC thing, there's one advantage
nobody's talking about this that the Big ten has. They
have bigger schools. Go look at the student body at
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Wisconsin at Ohio State, SEC schools are mostly smaller. What
does that mean. Well, with all those massive student bodies
and those kids get flushed into the workforce, there's a
greater chance they become millionaires and successful and give back
to their schools. So the nil numbers. Alabama's having to
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hold car washes in bake safe Okay, Ohio State can generate,
Michigan can generate. USC's nil's up to eighteen million, Oregon's
got Phil Knight, Penn State's got tons of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia,
Pittsburgh money. The nil is about the bag. How much
do you have to spend on basketball and football. A
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lot of those Southern powers are small, tiny towns, small
schools that don't pour eighteen thousand graduates into the workforce
every year. They only have twenty two thousand people going
to the school. So I think the NIL going forward
benefits benefits Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC,
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Phil Knight, and Oregon. I think it's a big I
don't think this is like just a blip. I think
Penn State's gonna play for the national championship next year.
Third straight Big ten team in that game.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
La la or whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
One last note, do you think these SEC schools want
to go to Big ten country and say November or
would they rather go in August in September?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well, if I was a Big ten school, I don't
want to be near the SEC heat in August and September.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Give me the November eighth game. Jmack with the.
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Speaker 1 (27:48):
I saw this, Jmack and I argue about the brock
pretty thing all the time, but I do think you
have to contextualize quarterbacks. And I saw something. I saw
it actually this morning when I got up, is that
it's important to remember with quarterbacks, and this is a
real thing. Nick Foles won a Super Bowl over Brady
and Belichick. Trent Dilver won a Super Bowl, Brad Johnson
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won a Super Bowl. Joe Flackall won a Super Bowl.
Dan Marino never did. Russell Wilson won a Super Bowl
in that year. Seven times he threw for under two
hundred yards. If you have a better roster Brad Johnson's roster,
Tilford's defensive roster, Nick foles Philadelphia roster, it wasn't the coach.
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The coach got fired in two places, Jacksonville and Philly.
Doug Peterson contextualize, but we tend to go, oh quarterbacks
winning quarterbacks great slow down. So PFF this morning may
have been released last night, but I saw it this morning.
They ranked every NFL roster, every single one, and when
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they ranked Philadelphia number one. It was interesting. Their biggest
strength they said was defense. The rookie to watch was
Jahad Campbell. The X factor this year is Nolan Smith
and edge and their biggest weakness Jalen Hurts in the
passing game. Right, Jalen Hurts in the passing game and
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PFF is right. Despite the best O line in the league,
the best running back in the league arguably after Cincinnati,
the best wide receiving combo in the league, excellent tight ends,
an offensive head coach. Jalen Hurts can be bad in
the pocket, and that's the truth, and I know it hurts,
But two things can be true. Jalen Hurts was incredible
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against the Chiefs and the Super Bowl, and he had
fewer touchdown passes last year than Geno Smith and the
same as Kirk Cousins with much better weapons, a much
better run game, a much better offensive line. So Jalen
Hurts last year with a stacked roster to me, has
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brought purty two years ago in San Francisco with a
stacked roster that doesn't make you an A plus quarterback.
Mahomes winning back to back Super Bowls with the worst
receiving corps arguably in the league is a plus plus.
Joe Burrow getting to a super Bowl with the eighteenth
ranked defense and an atrocious o line, that's an A
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plus plus super Bowl and winning two road playoff games.
That's great. Jalen Hurts and Brock Purty getting to a
Super Bowl, winning or losing with a completely stacked roster,
that doesn't make you an A plus. Quarterback Dak Prescott
before he signed his big contract, when he had the
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best running back in the league, Zeke arguably absolutely the
best offensive line, offensive coach, good tight end. Everybody was like,
Dak is a plus plus. You know who thought that too,
Jerry Jones, and he overpaid for him. Contextualize it not
banging on Purty pretty two years ago had Philadelphia and
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Jalen Hurt roster. Everybody looks great the minute last year,
Christian McCaffrey's hurt, Deebo's hurt, Trent Williams out go look
at San Francisco's last ten games. They couldn't win them
and some of them were laups. So you you have
to understand in any business, what is driving your success?
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What is it? It's not Jalen Hurts PFF has it right.
The weakness of that team is against the Rams. They
two for sixty five yards. Thank god for Jalen Carter
and their defense and those great corners and Saquon Barkley
and those receivers and that old line. Two things can
be true. You could be great in moments with a
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stack roster. It doesn't make you Dan Marino. Here was
Chris Sims last week on Jalen Hurts with.
Speaker 9 (31:59):
Jalen Hurts and what I look at too. We have
a little bit of a revisionist history here. He won
the Super Bowl and everybody just forgot about the ten
weeks before that that we were like, wait, the passing
game in the quarterback was the issue. All right. He
had a good NFC Championship game, I know that. But
divisional game we were like man, the quarterback in the
passing game, wild Card game, we were like man, the
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passing game and the quarterback not looking good. The last
seven or eight weeks of the year, his top receiver said,
what's wrong with the team the passing game?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Exactly. One of his receivers complained about it. I don't
hate rock Party, I actually love the stoic nature of
both Pretty and Hurts. I actually think Hurts and pretty
may have the perfect personality to be a quarterback. Like
they just they're not partiers. They're great at the mic.
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They give teammates credit, a very mature adult and stoic
and they deserve to get paid. But you got to
contextualize it. Brad Johnson Super Bowl, Nick Foles, Super Bowl
for Brady, Joe Flacco, who I love? Super Bowl. Tred
Dilfer guest on this show many times. Super Bowl. Dan
Marina doesn't have one. Russell Wilson has one seven times,
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so for under two hundred yards, he was not driving
the success. That turns out Marshawn Lynch and that defense
and that coaching staff was.
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So I really believe there's two things that I took
from Minnesota getting rolled in this series. Beyond the obvious
that Oka sees a much better team. But number one
I said earlier is that Minnesota roll the Lakers. They
could not compete against this team. And this idea that
the Lakers next year can keep Austin Reeves, Lebron and
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Luca who they are what they are. They're not improving,
ascending players, They're just they are what they are. Whereas Okay,
Casey is younger, their players are all ascending. They're better
now consistently. They've got two first round picks next year.
And again, Lebron is what he is at forty one,
Luca is what he is defensively, and Austin Reeves is
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what he is athletically. I think it's been established what
the Lakers players are. That's why I think you have
to move Austin Reeves and get a big and get
a wing and do the best you can. My second
take is the Tea Wolves getting rolled really shows you,
and that's okay, he's only twenty three. It shows you
the gap between Sga Yo Kitchen Ant and it is
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a Grand Canyon gap at this point. And I'm a
big Ant fan, but I mean, Yokich took a beat
up Denver team to seven games. You know, they just
ran out of gas and bodies, or they could have
won Game seven. I mean, Ant had one great game
in this series, Game three one. Ant shot only twenty
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eight for from threes. He had no double doubles. Forget
triple doubles. He had no double doubles. He shot sixty
nine percent from the free throw line. So you can
you can't take Sga, Steph Jokic or Lebron in his prime.
You can't take them out of their game. Can't You
can take Ant out of his game? Not everybody, but
a good defensive team trap him, double him, throw bodies
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at him, make him make quick, decisive reads. He's not
great at that yet. And I always said, what really
makes the greats great? What really makes Lebron Mahomes, Tom
Brady great? Their entire careers in their prime, those ten
twelve years of prime basketball. Maybe it's fourteen football, maybe
it's ten. Everybody's trying to disrupt Brady, disrupt Mahomes, disrupt Lebron,
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and they can't the entire game plan stop that guy, can't.
I mean, Lebron was even at a high school by
year two thirty plus tennis sists tireless, both vans and
everybody was trying to stop up him, throwing their best
defenders at him, doubles, traps, pressure didn't matter. Everybody is
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designing their defenses to stop the greats Okay. So he
did it and really shut Ant down. They couldn't shut
Yokics down. Yo Kich ran out of gas. He didn't
run out of brain power. He didn't run out of
distribution or scoring. He just got tired. Ant needs more layers,
he needs more time, he needs more experience. You can
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double him, and he's just he just I've said this,
it's a little bit like a quarterback in year two
instead of year five. Mahomes admits year three the lights
went on. Ant's just not He's not good at pre
snap quarterback play. Yet you can double him, pressure him.
He can't make those quick red jet. My guess is
you could be trade deadline next year. He may have it,
but he's just not quite there. And it shows the
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gap with a Yo Kitch and an Sga. I said
this yesterday. Sga is twenty six and Ants twenty three.
You're forty six and forty three. There's no difference. But
at twenty six to twenty three in the NBA, it's
a different player. I mean SGA is decision makings, his
ability to manipulate defenders in the officials like SGA twenty
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six with all his experience, Like, oh, that's an adult.
He is now starting a prime. Ant' stunning his prime.
Yet he'll probably get their end of next year. He'll
probably sometime in May. For about a nine year period,
he'll be in his prime. So what you're seeing is
what the NBA is. It's hard. And because these guys
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like Ant come out after one year of college. You know,
I always said they can't even drink at the hotel
bar for several years in the league. So he just
needs he needs more snaps to be able to read
that too deep in zone and that man to man
coverage and rolling over cornerbacks. He just needs more stabs
at the line of scrimmage. That's what he needs. Here's
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Aunt after they.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Was the better team, they came out and beat us,
pushed us in the face, and we lost the game,
we lost a series.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, I'm gonna work my butt off this summer.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Nobody's gonna work harder to meet this summer.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I tell you that much.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
And remember Shay at twenty three had never been an
All Star. So you start stacking these years and these
experiences young quarterbacks and Aunt, they grow up really fast.
We're probably we're probably the All Star break next year,
an off season and thirty more games of him graduating
to the things we're missing now. By the way, jamac
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on my contextualizing Jalen Hurts and Brock pretty apparently is outrage.
What so it was?
Speaker 3 (39:38):
It wasn't outrage, but maybe it was what they wrote
on the screen. What's I called the cryon trust Hurts
to lead Philly. So I was listening closely, and it's
almost like you're playing the Hey, Brouck Berdy had a
stack deck in San Feranz, That's why he was good. Well,
Jalen Hurts has the best roster, that's why he's so good.
But I just I just wanted to clarify. Are you
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are you questioning Hurt? Are you saying that he's not great?
Speaker 6 (40:02):
It's the team not him.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
No, he was a second round pick for a reason.
He was a better college quarterback. He's a more athletic quarterback. Yeah,
I think Jalen's better than Brock.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
But you're an elitist.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
You need your quarterback to be six to five and
a top five pick.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Because Colin, I'm just digging up some stats.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You want a hot take, Jalen Hurts is the best
dual threat quarterback in NFL history. Sorry, look at the records.
He's setting more records. I know Lamar's great.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I know Cam Newton had a couple good run chards.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Roster. Yes, so that's it.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
You're going back to the roster.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
But guess who has the most rushing touchdowns in postseason
history for a quarterback. Guess whose dual threat ability is
leading the Eagles?
Speaker 1 (40:39):
How do you get to the to the postseason? You
have a great roster. He didn't have to carry his
franchise like Josh Allen because Buffalo didn't have personnel. That's
the difference. By the way, it's not being an elitist
wanting you to call it a chiron, not a cry on.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
That's not illegality.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
You were closer saying you're the laughter Yes, whatever, I
don't you're moving.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
The goalposts or whatever they say it is Colin in reality,
let's be real about this. If the quarterback was taken
in the top ten, you think he's the reason for
the success or the first round. Outside the first round,
it's all the roster that seems to be where you're headed.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Purdy hurts, yes, yeah. Do you think that's fair? I
think in this generation, over the last ten to twelve years,
Lamar first round, Mahomes first round, Allen first round, Herbert
first round, Joe Burrow first round. I mean, you can
embrace Brock and Dack, but history shows you that in
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the last ten years, when scouting's better, information's better. The
first round guys. People are always like, the NFL doesn't
know how to draft quarterbacks. It'd be one thing if
they're all ending up in the fourth and fifth round.
The overwhelming great left tackles and quarterbacks in the league
today are all first rounders. League, the scouts, the gms,
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the personnel people Like Detroit drafted a running back first round,
people are like, whoa, they knew what they were doing
in Jamir Gibbs is great, So I do look at
you differently if you're a first round quarterback. There is
something that literally gms went wow, wow, impress wow. Our
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going to be joining us as well. Jmack listen last
night in a laugher. Not much of a game, and
I understand this. I have said during the Pacers Nickson,
stop beating up on the Knicks. It's about the Pacers.
They have the best point guard and the best offense
and the best pace in the league. And I feel
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like this with Minnesota, like they're not as good as Okay, see,
they don't have they don't have the depth, they don't
have the youth, they don't have multiple guys who can
score like that, and so I just I feel like
we should kind of honor okac An SGA more than
Hammer Minnesota a.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Reasonable take to start the show call, and I like it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I like it, So let's start with that obviously. Okay,
see that game was over in about seven minutes. The
great thing about Sga, of the many great things, what
I really like is he is delivering and fulfilling everything
I've been told Jason Tatum does but doesn't really. Last year,
the Celtics go on their championship run, Jalen Brown's the
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MVP of the Eastern Conference Finals, Jalen Brown's the Finals MVP,
and Jalen Brown's the aggressor and often the initiator. SGA
wants the ball, is always the aggressor, and he plays
Williams home Gred. He's got multiple great players around him,
but he is clearly the alpha. And that's all I
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ever asked with Tatum and got pushedback. You know, that's
I'm holding Jason Tatum to the standard. You guys all
lectured me on for years on Lebron when Lebron didn't
take the shot. He's the alpha, he's the one. If
he wants to be MJ, he's got to always take
the shot. Okay, Well that's the standard of SGA and
Yokic right now. Like like, I think both Jokic and
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SGA can elevate teammates, and clearly do elevate teammates. But
there is no question in this Oklahoma City room or
that Denver locker room, or in the huddle or any
time there's a late possession who's the man. And I mean,
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we could crush the t Wolves right They were awful.
Their effort was weak. But this series is not about
the t Wolves and the Knicks pacers, which I think
will end soon. Is not really about the Knicks failures.
Indiana is the best offense in the league with the
best pace. Okac is easily the best defense and the
greatest score. I mean, SGA is only the fourth player
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in twenty years to win the MVP and reach the finals.
The other three Steph, Kobe, and Lebron. I don't know
that feels historic to me, So I just I look
at them. Between SGA and Okac's defense. This is gonna
be a great final. I get the best offense, I
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get the best defense, I get the best point guard,
and I get the best score. And I know it's
not catchy, and I know it doesn't sound, you know, dynamic,
but I think SGA's nickname should be the standard. This
is the standard for a true number one in the
locker room, in the huddle, every big possession. He is
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a number one has to be dominating, offensively, understood by all,
even his talented teammates, debilitating to your defense, an adult,
consistent number one on the bus, on the plane, in
the room. S G Alpha the Western Conference Finals, undisputed, MVP.
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This is not about Minnesota's failures. It's about a historic player.
He's one of three guys in league history to have
thirty points five plus assists at least ten times in
the playoffs. Mjan lebron to the other two. This kid
is special. Every time he talks, every time he leads,
you just see what a one should be. And here
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he is after winning the conference finals. MVP.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, it's a really good feeling. Think Stuffy Jim about
as a kid, and then, of course I want to
think my teammates Without them, I'm nothing. Claire's day. I
don't have one hundred and twenty fourth point by myself.
I love these guys to death. With all that being said,
this is a step in the right direction where we
have a lot more work to do and we know that,
and that's the word focused on.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So oh, buckle up and you're ready.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Listen. They won by an average margin of twelve point
nine points per game. And I understand, like veteran teams
in the regular season, don't give it. You know, Lebron's
going to take some night offs, and the older players,
you know, they're dinged up a little bit. I understand
their youth is a big component to it. But here's
what else is. This is as good a defensive team
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as I remember. Now. Detroit Pistons were great, but you
could tackle back then. That was a little different. But
given what you can do now, you can't really you
can't handcheck, you can't use that forearm on your back,
given what you're allowed to do by NBA protocol and rules,
this is the best defense I've ever seen. They hound,
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they confound they're aggressive to rim protectors on the back end.
Even SGA plays defense and is long like this is
as good as defense gets, so we can bang on Minnesota,
but they're not built to beat this team. Julius Randold's
probably a three, not a two. Go Beart's got no offense,
Conley great veteran presence, not an offensive threat, and Ant
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just isn't there yet to single handedly beat this offense.
Way to go? Okay, See all right, listen. I don't
want to make a big deal out of this, but
some pretty interesting information trickled over my phone from the
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Cleveland browns Ota yesterday. I'm not great at math, but
let's put the numbers up for the television audience. It
appears in the four quarterback derby. Hmm. Again, not a mathematician,
but one of them has more tds than completions. That
feels important to me. Despite the fact that Shadu Sanders
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had the fewest attempts, he was the most efficient and
most productive with the fewest reps, so the quarterback tracker
for those radio audience members. Flacco was nine for fourteen
in a touchdown pickt nine for sixteen no touchdown, Dylan
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Gabriel eleven of sixteen, two touchdowns on a pick, and
Sanders seven of nine three touchdowns, no picks. This justin
I've seen enough. I'm calling in a rap. The Herd
newsroom is calling it in Ohio by a landslide. Shaduur
Sanders should be starting. We are calling Ohio as the
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projected winner in a race that is not as close
as the fake news projected. You can keep selling me
on Picket. You can keep selling me on Dylan Gabriel.
Now Flacco, I buy flacoh. I like, he's one of
my one of my favorite guys that's ever played in
the league. He's like everybody likes Flacco, and I think
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he's gonna win the starting job. Initially, I really like Flaco,
but I'm calling it. I'm calling it for Shador and
here's Flacco on Shador.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Shador has been great.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I mean, he's a lot of fun to be around
in those meeting rooms. And I think once, I think
so far there's been you know, at least once in
the media room that he's he's made me crack a smile.
And and that's what it's all about. You know, he's
a young guy trying to learn some football and and
come out here and practice well and do those things.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
And like I said, he's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay, you you know people either everybody's trying to sell you.
I mean, TikTok's selling you. IG's selling you using filters.
Everybody is selling you stuff. Now people are talking about
the election that wasn't for Biden and was for Trump.
Everybody's selling me their takes. You all keep selling me.
I got scouts telling me he's a fifth or a
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six round talent all I know, with very average personnel
outside of Travis Hunter, against the very best teams he played,
they didn't win games, but he was highly productive, and
a lot of college quarterbacks against the best teams with
better teammates weren't as productive, size, movement, accuracy. I like him.
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I know I didn't love I didn't love the legendary
draft room stuff. I thought it was a lacked a
little self awareness. But again, you're twenty one, you're twenty two.
You know we were all running around pulling fire hydrants
in college. So I mean, you know, you know, you know,
the pull the lever in college dorm rooms. We were
(09:52):
all idiots at some point. We all had, you know,
lack of judgment or self awareness. I'm not going to
crush anybody for that. But I think he's really I
think he's really talented, and I think you're seeing it.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
We're calling it for Ohio. Oh boy, you know what else?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I've left the station and it's May for shoud door standards.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Okay, got it? Okay, Ota stats, that's a new one.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Let me let me just throw this at you. Back
to Oklahoma City. So like when you lose a playoff
series or are losing a playoff series. We've talked about
this with the Knicks, is like you kind of see
what doesn't work against an elite team. Brunson and Cat
on the floor in the Anna kind of abuses him,
so you probably want to move off Cat. You could
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keep him if you added another catch and shoot guy,
but you can see your problems when you face an
elite team, Like you watch the t Wolves and you're like, oh,
you know, Julius randall is it was fun, but boy,
when you play Okc's defense, he is really limited and
Aunt isn't there yet, so you great teams are clarity.
Like when Andrew Locke came into the NFL and was
eleven and five the bad roster, You're like, oh, Yeah,
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that's what great is. You can be eleven and five
without a Pro Bowl or anywhere near the offense. But
here's another takeaway and I'll get into it later. The
t Wolves ran the Lakers out of the building and
can't compete against OKC. So for all those thinking we're
inches away, the t Wolves bodied the Lakers, physically pushed
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them around. Dude, they could not compete in this series.
They had one really good game, one of five. So
I'm just saying, greatness creates clarity. If you think you're
closed or you think you're flawless, but you don't think
you have vulnerabilities. Oklahoma City Indiana Pacers show you the
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truth and you have to grasp the truth. You have
to embrace the truth. You can't push back and be defensive.
But Laker fans, Minnesota bodied you. They got blown out
of the building in this series.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
Colin, I love it.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I can't help my son with eighth grade math. He's
doing like the advanced math.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I don't I have to ask jah gbt okay, but
I do remember in elementary school there were the all
these math properties. If A plus B equal C. Just
because Minnesota smashed the Lakers. It does not mean that
the Lakers can't beat OKAC. They match up great with OKC.
That essentially the Thunder had two rounds to watch Anthony
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Edwards and they were like, oh, here's.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
How we stop him.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Let's put up a picket wall at the free throw
line and say you're not getting in the lane.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
We'll go go ahead and have Jaydon.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
McDaniels shoot the lights out or Julius Randall and Minnesota didn't.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Nobody else showed up for them in the series, and
it was it was a rap. I still I think.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Your worst take in the NBA playoffs has been the
Lakers are far off.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
I think you're way way wrong there. But again, maybe
I'm being a Lebron Homer. Yeah.
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You are now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by
Credible Great Rates and none of the bold. So Bears
quarterback Caleb Williams has said it's a bit of a distraction,
but he finally addressed yesterday. I'll get to it in
a second seth Wickersham. Great writer ESPN has come out
with a book called American King's Biography of the Quarterback,
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and it revealed that Caleb and his dad did at
one point, you know, consider ways to avoid going to
the Bears based on their chaotic history and their inability
to elevate quarterbacks. Uh So, finally yesterday he addressed it,
and here's Kleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
You know, I wanted to come here and you know,
be the guy and be a part and be a
reason or why you know, Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Turn this thing around.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
So that last thing that was said, and all of that,
I think was the most important thing is that I
wanted to be here and I love being here.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I love my teammates. So my take is different. There
was a radio host in New York that said, he's
been breath takingly entitled and I'll get to that in
a second, but I don't think being concerned about an
environment or a job before you get there at twenty
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two to twenty three years old or older is entitled.
A historically chaotic business, the Chicago Bears and offense. It's
like global travel for the rest of us. What's my budget,
what are the safest parts. I'm new. I don't know
it very well. I want to do my homework. It's
called due diligence utilizing available information. Listen, if you may
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need a malaria shot, if you travel to certain parts
of Africa. I don't think you're an entitled traveler. I
just think that's the reality. And Caleb and his dad
looked at the history of the Bears and thought, yeah,
they've never had a four a thousand yard passer. It's
probably not all on the quarterback. It could be the
ownership in the front office and you know, a Steeler
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like devotion to defense. And they were right. Again, I
don't think that's entitled. I think it's intelligent. When you
buy a house, are you Are you entitled if you're like, yeah,
this neighborhood, I got kids, it's not walkable. I don't
think it's safe. I don't like the schools. I don't
think you're entitled. You can afford a better house, go
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buy it, so you know, I listen. Tayleb Williams and
I actually have a lot in common. We just moved
to Chicago. Now only one of us takes the train
to work, but we both moved to Chicago. I was
warned about whether he was warned about the Bears. I
think it's okay. I think when you're talking about young people,
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twenty four year olds now, they don't go to a restaurant,
they don't go to a restaurant without reading Yelp reviews.
They don't do it. I mean they just I mean,
I watch my kids. I lean on my kids for
this stuff. I think it's breathtaking lee out of touch
or tone deaf to think a twenty three year old.
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And historically in the NFL, you get one shot to
be a number one if a team moves off you.
Now things have changed over the last four or five
years with Donald and Gino and Baker, But most of
my life, first team that drafts you, that's your big shot.
You'll come with baggage and a reputation everywhere else. I
mean Baker is difficult, No, he's not. Gino doesn't have it,
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yes he does. Darnald can't can't play without being reckless.
Oh wait, he got the right coach. So maybe Caleb,
if it doesn't work in Chicago, will get other opportunities.
But we are in the age of information, and nobody
is better at finding and accumulating and using that information
than twenty and thirty year olds. So I don't have
a problem with it. He decided on Chicago. The fact
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that it made it out isn't entitled. It's honest. He
didn't have to tell us that. Give the reporter credit
Seth Wickersham who found it, and the athlete and the
dad who were honest enough to admit it. There's a
lot of stuff out there that like this, we just
don't hear about. You know, I always said this when
Tiger Woods got caught fooling around. You think he's the
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only golfer to ever do that. They all fly golf streams.
He's the only one on the road, all right, That's
just the one you heard about. This is just a concern.
Like the Mannings, they did a lot of this stuff.
They did it behind the scenes. You just didn't know
much about it. Or John Elway and Jack his dad.
You just didn't hear about it. This stuff. I mean,
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it's just the way we live now. We get all
the information. You can't hide anything. It could be the
White House or a football team. J Mack with a
news no, no, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
All right, Colin, let's jump right into it.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
The nick said Pacers play again tonight. New York, looking
to save their season, got some bad news. Carl Anthony
Towns listened as questionable after bumping.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Me here Withney Smith.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Towns went down was limping badly the rest of the
you know, the final minute, which took like fifteen minutes.
Timm's thinks that he's probably gonna.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Be able to play. But you can't have your number.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Two score listen as questionable with the season on the line.
I don't know if the Knicks show up here, Colin.
This is an Indiana Pacers team that just watched Oklahoma
City last night, just dispatch Minnesota, and you know they're
chomping at the bit to get their their shot at Okay,
see I for for starters. I'm not betting this game.
I didn't even look at a line. I don't know
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that you could take the nixt years and I can no.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I think. I also think you can't fool players, and
I think next players. Very early in this Celtic series,
the Knick players felt like we are in Boston's head
even before Tatum was injured. Five minutes before Tatum was injured.
I felt like this coulda be a next series. They're
in Boston's head. I think I think the Knicks realize
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they have some deficiencies with Cat and Brunson that Indiana
keeps exposing over and over and over and over again.
And I think they're well aware that Indiana is better
with pace and almost as good in the half court.
And I think you can't fool players. You can talk
and have hubris and confidence, but I think Knicks players
know Indiana's a rough matchup for them, just like just
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like Boston, it took them a while to figure it out.
But like like the Knicks, with the NBA allowing physicality
and a slow whistle, the Knicks were a real problem
for Boston and Cleveland. So I just I think Indiana
is the better team.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Well in this series so far they have been.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I will point out latter the Knicks led Indy three
to two and lost the series in seven.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Of course, Brunson got hurt in Game seven, but Colin,
they've won. The Knicks have lost the turnover battle in
every game in this series. Yep, you can't have that.
Like Josh Hart, stop being sloppy with the ball. Karl
Anthony Towns, like, you know, stop flailing in the lane.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Like they're just not buttoned up as you like to
say for NFL teams. Offensively, the Pacers have shot over
fifty two percent on twues in every game.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
It's like the Knicks just has Maybe it's like.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Beating Boston they felt like, hey, we slayed the Dragon
team we couldn't beat the last two years.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
We take him down, and.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
All of a sudden they just forgot, like, oh, we've
got to like still play basketball.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
So it's kind of disappointing. I'm not expecting to win
next up.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
NFL calling Jayden Daniels incredible first year in the league.
Offensive coordinator Cliff Kingsbury says, the sky is the limit
in year two. Here he is gassing up Jaden Daniels growth.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
I mean just watching him move around, He's not thinking
as much. He's playing fast and letting his natural gifts
kind of take over, and that's what we want to see.
So I expect him to take a big jump. Yeah.
He works extremely hard. I mean, that's all he kind
of thinks about is how he can get better. Watches
a ton of film, watches a ton of football overall,
and so that organically really takes care of hisself in
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a way. When you have a guy who wants to
be that great, he is very highly motivated to be
as good as he can be. And that's what was
exciting for the organization.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
How about this?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Colin Washington added a I don't know about elite, but
very good left tackle and Laramie Punzel.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
I added a formerly elite weapon in Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, he's still a great quarterback and a good offense
and a great offensive coordinator.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Washington did the Super Bowl? Is that too exciting?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well, I think they're in the bubble. You know, we
do that Super Bowl bubble. I think they're absolutely in
the bubble. I think Jaden Daniels is you know, people
talk about a sophomore slump, but you just go back
to the first month, first five six games, when he's
going twenty eight to thirty one, and I think the
thing about Jaden Daniels, beyond his athletic ability and his accuracy,
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it's really unprecedented. Even better than Andrew Luck was his poise.
He was so good in the two minute drill, so
good on third and fourth down with very few mistakes.
I mean Andrew luck was remarkable, but Andrews, who picks
Andrew was really aggressive. Jade and Daniel's ability to be
a top three quarterback in the league late in games
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is something I've never I said it. Mahomes wasn't that good.
I mean, Mahomes didn't play as a rookie except for
Week seventeen. Like to come out of college first year
playing all those games. Lamar didn't play until week eleven.
I've never seen a rookie quarterback as poised as him.
Completion percentage, yards per carry, rushing yards, two minute drill,
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I've never seen anything like it. Well, now, Washington had.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
RG three whose rookie year was unbelievable if you remember that,
but then he had the injury and kind of fell
apart from him.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Listen, CJ.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Stroud, we saw him regress in year two, right, pulled
back a little bit last year, and they went and
got Stefan.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Diggs for him. Is there a world where he regresses?
I just like keeping Kingsbury.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I think Kingsbury is maybe a top five offensive coordinator
in the league, maybe top three.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Well, the advantage he has over c. J. Stroud is
that you get thirty percent more playbook. If your quarterback
runs like Jaden Daniels or Lamar Jackson c J. Stroud.
His comp coming out of college, which I thought was fair,
was Jared Goff. And that's why I said when I
was I said, I think, I think Jared Goff and
c J. Stroud are a great comp. And Jared Goff's
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been to a Super Bowl. It wasn't a knock on him.
But his comp was in the pocket throwing darts with protection.
He's really good. That's not a criticism. Jared Goff comp
is not a criticism. It is a reality of a
lack of mobility. C J. Stroud has more than golf,
but I think when you do have hyper athleticism, it
just allows you more plays.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
And Jaden Daniels opens with the New York Giants. That
should be a win, Packers, Raiders, Falcons, Colin. I think
they're going to be favored in three of those four
could be a four and oh start for Washington two.
Just put the Super Bowl futures. Just consider it. This
seem's really good man and their coach we know he's
very good as well. Final story cons The Big Ten
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has been running college football pretty much the last two
years right, Michigan Ohio State went back to.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Back with championships.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Brian Kelly, the LSU coach, was asked at SEC spring
meetings about scheduling the Big Ten in the regular season.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
We have a depth in this league from top to bottom,
and that we are the premier league in the country.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You could do that in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
You can do it in the playoffs, so absolutely, but
you can also show yourself during the regular season. Brian
Kennell went on to say Colin he wants to He
would love to have like a partner the Big Ten.
Pick someone in the SEC and they do battle every year.
He's like pushing for it.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I do believe he probably has an agenda. Hey, I
got dim Gun Rutgers. You know, I don't want to
play I stay in the regular season.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
But this is interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Wanting to actually play someone runs counter to what you
were saying about USC and Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Well, I think you know of a lot of people.
Bruce Feldman said yesterday that the Big Ten last couple
of years has been better at the top, but the
SEC in the middle will be better. And my take
is both Washington, Washington has always been a playoff team
or close when they have the right coach, and I
think Jedfish is the right coach. I think it was
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a rebuild, culture changing year from Kaitlin de Borsa. Washington
will be much better this year, and USC historically is
a top ten to twelve program. So my take is
both USC and Washington were in the midst of a rebuild. Oregon,
Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State are a really good
top four. If Washington and USC just become what I
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think they will be with offensive coaches, that's sixteep of
really good teams. Not to mention, I think Matt Rule
in Nebraska is really good. So my take is right
now about the Big ten SEC thing, there's one advantage
nobody's talking about this that the Big ten has. They
have bigger schools. Go look at the student body at
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Wisconsin at Ohio State, SEC schools are mostly smaller. What
does that mean. Well, with all those massive student bodies
and those kids get flushed into the workforce, there's a
greater chance they become millionaires and successful and give back
to their schools. So the nil numbers. Alabama's having to
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hold car washes in bake safe Okay, Ohio State can generate,
Michigan can generate. USC's nil's up to eighteen million, Oregon's
got Phil Knight, Penn State's got tons of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia,
Pittsburgh money. The nil is about the bag. How much
do you have to spend on basketball and football. A
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lot of those Southern powers are small, tiny towns, small
schools that don't pour eighteen thousand graduates into the workforce
every year. They only have twenty two thousand people going
to the school. So I think the NIL going forward
benefits benefits Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC,
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Phil Knight, and Oregon. I think it's a big I
don't think this is like just a blip. I think
Penn State's gonna play for the national championship next year.
Third straight Big ten team in that game.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
La la or whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
One last note, do you think these SEC schools want
to go to Big ten country and say November or
would they rather go in August in September?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well, if I was a Big ten school, I don't
want to be near the SEC heat in August and September.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Give me the November eighth game. Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I saw this, Jmack and I argue about the brock
pretty thing all the time, but I do think you
have to contextualize quarterbacks. And I saw something. I saw
it actually this morning when I got up, is that
it's important to remember with quarterbacks, and this is a
real thing. Nick Foles won a Super Bowl over Brady
and Belichick. Trent Dilver won a Super Bowl, Brad Johnson
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won a Super Bowl. Joe Flackall won a Super Bowl.
Dan Marino never did. Russell Wilson won a Super Bowl
in that year. Seven times he threw for under two
hundred yards. If you have a better roster Brad Johnson's roster,
Tilford's defensive roster, Nick foles Philadelphia roster, it wasn't the coach.
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The coach got fired in two places, Jacksonville and Philly.
Doug Peterson contextualize, but we tend to go, oh quarterbacks
winning quarterbacks great slow down. So PFF this morning may
have been released last night, but I saw it this morning.
They ranked every NFL roster, every single one, and when
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they ranked Philadelphia number one. It was interesting. Their biggest
strength they said was defense. The rookie to watch was
Jahad Campbell. The X factor this year is Nolan Smith
and edge and their biggest weakness Jalen Hurts in the
passing game. Right, Jalen Hurts in the passing game and
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PFF is right. Despite the best O line in the league,
the best running back in the league arguably after Cincinnati,
the best wide receiving combo in the league, excellent tight ends,
an offensive head coach. Jalen Hurts can be bad in
the pocket, and that's the truth, and I know it hurts,
But two things can be true. Jalen Hurts was incredible
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against the Chiefs and the Super Bowl, and he had
fewer touchdown passes last year than Geno Smith and the
same as Kirk Cousins with much better weapons, a much
better run game, a much better offensive line. So Jalen
Hurts last year with a stacked roster to me, has
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brought purty two years ago in San Francisco with a
stacked roster that doesn't make you an A plus quarterback.
Mahomes winning back to back Super Bowls with the worst
receiving corps arguably in the league is a plus plus.
Joe Burrow getting to a super Bowl with the eighteenth
ranked defense and an atrocious o line, that's an A
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plus plus super Bowl and winning two road playoff games.
That's great. Jalen Hurts and Brock Purty getting to a
Super Bowl, winning or losing with a completely stacked roster,
that doesn't make you an A plus. Quarterback Dak Prescott
before he signed his big contract, when he had the
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best running back in the league, Zeke arguably absolutely the
best offensive line, offensive coach, good tight end. Everybody was like,
Dak is a plus plus. You know who thought that too,
Jerry Jones, and he overpaid for him. Contextualize it not
banging on Purty pretty two years ago had Philadelphia and
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Jalen Hurt roster. Everybody looks great the minute last year,
Christian McCaffrey's hurt, Deebo's hurt, Trent Williams out go look
at San Francisco's last ten games. They couldn't win them
and some of them were laups. So you you have
to understand in any business, what is driving your success?
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What is it? It's not Jalen Hurts PFF has it right.
The weakness of that team is against the Rams. They
two for sixty five yards. Thank god for Jalen Carter
and their defense and those great corners and Saquon Barkley
and those receivers and that old line. Two things can
be true. You could be great in moments with a
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stack roster. It doesn't make you Dan Marino. Here was
Chris Sims last week on Jalen Hurts with.
Speaker 9 (31:59):
Jalen Hurts and what I look at too. We have
a little bit of a revisionist history here. He won
the Super Bowl and everybody just forgot about the ten
weeks before that that we were like, wait, the passing
game in the quarterback was the issue. All right. He
had a good NFC Championship game, I know that. But
divisional game we were like man, the quarterback in the
passing game, wild Card game, we were like man, the
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passing game and the quarterback not looking good. The last
seven or eight weeks of the year, his top receiver said,
what's wrong with the team the passing game?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Exactly. One of his receivers complained about it. I don't
hate rock Party, I actually love the stoic nature of
both Pretty and Hurts. I actually think Hurts and pretty
may have the perfect personality to be a quarterback. Like
they just they're not partiers. They're great at the mic.
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They give teammates credit, a very mature adult and stoic
and they deserve to get paid. But you got to
contextualize it. Brad Johnson Super Bowl, Nick Foles, Super Bowl
for Brady, Joe Flacco, who I love? Super Bowl. Tred
Dilfer guest on this show many times. Super Bowl. Dan
Marina doesn't have one. Russell Wilson has one seven times,
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so for under two hundred yards, he was not driving
the success. That turns out Marshawn Lynch and that defense
and that coaching staff was.
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So I really believe there's two things that I took
from Minnesota getting rolled in this series. Beyond the obvious
that Oka sees a much better team. But number one
I said earlier is that Minnesota roll the Lakers. They
could not compete against this team. And this idea that
the Lakers next year can keep Austin Reeves, Lebron and
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Luca who they are what they are. They're not improving,
ascending players, They're just they are what they are. Whereas Okay,
Casey is younger, their players are all ascending. They're better
now consistently. They've got two first round picks next year.
And again, Lebron is what he is at forty one,
Luca is what he is defensively, and Austin Reeves is
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what he is athletically. I think it's been established what
the Lakers players are. That's why I think you have
to move Austin Reeves and get a big and get
a wing and do the best you can. My second
take is the Tea Wolves getting rolled really shows you,
and that's okay, he's only twenty three. It shows you
the gap between Sga Yo Kitchen Ant and it is
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a Grand Canyon gap at this point. And I'm a
big Ant fan, but I mean, Yokich took a beat
up Denver team to seven games. You know, they just
ran out of gas and bodies, or they could have
won Game seven. I mean, Ant had one great game
in this series, Game three one. Ant shot only twenty
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eight for from threes. He had no double doubles. Forget
triple doubles. He had no double doubles. He shot sixty
nine percent from the free throw line. So you can
you can't take Sga, Steph Jokic or Lebron in his prime.
You can't take them out of their game. Can't You
can take Ant out of his game? Not everybody, but
a good defensive team trap him, double him, throw bodies
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at him, make him make quick, decisive reads. He's not
great at that yet. And I always said, what really
makes the greats great? What really makes Lebron Mahomes, Tom
Brady great? Their entire careers in their prime, those ten
twelve years of prime basketball. Maybe it's fourteen football, maybe
it's ten. Everybody's trying to disrupt Brady, disrupt Mahomes, disrupt Lebron,
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and they can't the entire game plan stop that guy, can't.
I mean, Lebron was even at a high school by
year two thirty plus tennis sists tireless, both vans and
everybody was trying to stop up him, throwing their best
defenders at him, doubles, traps, pressure didn't matter. Everybody is
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designing their defenses to stop the greats Okay. So he
did it and really shut Ant down. They couldn't shut
Yokics down. Yo Kich ran out of gas. He didn't
run out of brain power. He didn't run out of
distribution or scoring. He just got tired. Ant needs more layers,
he needs more time, he needs more experience. You can
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double him, and he's just he just I've said this,
it's a little bit like a quarterback in year two
instead of year five. Mahomes admits year three the lights
went on. Ant's just not He's not good at pre
snap quarterback play. Yet you can double him, pressure him.
He can't make those quick red jet. My guess is
you could be trade deadline next year. He may have it,
but he's just not quite there. And it shows the
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gap with a Yo Kitch and an Sga. I said
this yesterday. Sga is twenty six and Ants twenty three.
You're forty six and forty three. There's no difference. But
at twenty six to twenty three in the NBA, it's
a different player. I mean SGA is decision makings, his
ability to manipulate defenders in the officials like SGA twenty
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six with all his experience, Like, oh, that's an adult.
He is now starting a prime. Ant' stunning his prime.
Yet he'll probably get their end of next year. He'll
probably sometime in May. For about a nine year period,
he'll be in his prime. So what you're seeing is
what the NBA is. It's hard. And because these guys
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like Ant come out after one year of college. You know,
I always said they can't even drink at the hotel
bar for several years in the league. So he just
needs he needs more snaps to be able to read
that too deep in zone and that man to man
coverage and rolling over cornerbacks. He just needs more stabs
at the line of scrimmage. That's what he needs. Here's
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Aunt after they.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Was the better team, they came out and beat us,
pushed us in the face, and we lost the game,
we lost a series.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, I'm gonna work my butt off this summer.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Nobody's gonna work harder to meet this summer.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I tell you that much.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
And remember Shay at twenty three had never been an
All Star. So you start stacking these years and these
experiences young quarterbacks and Aunt, they grow up really fast.
We're probably we're probably the All Star break next year,
an off season and thirty more games of him graduating
to the things we're missing now. By the way, jamac
(39:32):
on my contextualizing Jalen Hurts and Brock pretty apparently is outrage.
What so it was?
Speaker 3 (39:38):
It wasn't outrage, but maybe it was what they wrote
on the screen. What's I called the cryon trust Hurts
to lead Philly. So I was listening closely, and it's
almost like you're playing the Hey, Brouck Berdy had a
stack deck in San Feranz, That's why he was good. Well,
Jalen Hurts has the best roster, that's why he's so good.
But I just I just wanted to clarify. Are you
(39:59):
are you questioning Hurt? Are you saying that he's not great?
Speaker 6 (40:02):
It's the team not him.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
No, he was a second round pick for a reason.
He was a better college quarterback. He's a more athletic quarterback. Yeah,
I think Jalen's better than Brock.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
But you're an elitist.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
You need your quarterback to be six to five and
a top five pick.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Because Colin, I'm just digging up some stats.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You want a hot take, Jalen Hurts is the best
dual threat quarterback in NFL history. Sorry, look at the records.
He's setting more records. I know Lamar's great.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I know Cam Newton had a couple good run chards.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Roster. Yes, so that's it.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
You're going back to the roster.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
But guess who has the most rushing touchdowns in postseason
history for a quarterback. Guess whose dual threat ability is
leading the Eagles?
Speaker 1 (40:39):
How do you get to the to the postseason? You
have a great roster. He didn't have to carry his
franchise like Josh Allen because Buffalo didn't have personnel. That's
the difference. By the way, it's not being an elitist
wanting you to call it a chiron, not a cry on.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
That's not illegality.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
You were closer saying you're the laughter Yes, whatever, I
don't you're moving.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
The goalposts or whatever they say it is Colin in reality,
let's be real about this. If the quarterback was taken
in the top ten, you think he's the reason for
the success or the first round. Outside the first round,
it's all the roster that seems to be where you're headed.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Purdy hurts, yes, yeah. Do you think that's fair? I
think in this generation, over the last ten to twelve years,
Lamar first round, Mahomes first round, Allen first round, Herbert
first round, Joe Burrow first round. I mean, you can
embrace Brock and Dack, but history shows you that in
(41:41):
the last ten years, when scouting's better, information's better. The
first round guys. People are always like, the NFL doesn't
know how to draft quarterbacks. It'd be one thing if
they're all ending up in the fourth and fifth round.
The overwhelming great left tackles and quarterbacks in the league
today are all first rounders. League, the scouts, the gms,
(42:01):
the personnel people Like Detroit drafted a running back first round,
people are like, whoa, they knew what they were doing
in Jamir Gibbs is great, So I do look at
you differently if you're a first round quarterback. There is
something that literally gms went wow, wow, impress wow. Our
(42:22):
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