July 25, 2022 • 40 mins
Matthew Stafford not being listed on Pro Football Focus' top 50 players is disrespectful
The Celtics are interested in Kevin Durant
Derek Carr should be considered a future hall of famer
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July live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Joy matches
the sets of how at that for wherever you may
be and however you may be listening iHeartRadio, Fox Sports
Radio FS one. So Colin right, Colin wrong in one
hour from now. There's a lot going on today. It's
a fun Who's Joy's brother, of course, is a legendary
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Hall of Fame football player and one of the nicest
guys that sports ever had. Wonderful guy. And the family
nobody in the family has ever had a pimple, So
the perfect looking family. But it's the start of football
season like today, Yes, all the camps are open, and
so it puts me in a good mood, not only
because our job gets easier in the football season, because
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it's like rapid consumerism, like people love it, but there's
just so many more stories going in. And this July
has always been a weird month for us because June
is NBA, right, it's the Finals, it's intense, and then
it's the Draft, and then it's Summer League and who's
the New Stars And it's so much fun for about
seven weeks, and all of a sudden, NBA trades kind
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of you know, they kind of dissipate, and here comes
the NFL. So today feels like to me, the start
of six and a half months of more football talk,
well increasingly more. There is no real dead time. I mean,
look at the news and the stories we got last week.
Now you wake up this morning there's a new kd
rumor like this. It doesn't really feel like in sports
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it used to be like this, abyss, there's not really
it's football's back, and I can't believe it's here already.
So I thought this was interesting. It's been nineteen years
all the camps are open in the NFL, nineteen years
since we've had a repeat champion. That was back in
oh three h four of the New England Patriots. And
I believe there's a reason why the Patriots repeated and
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why they were good year after year after year. Belichick,
Brady and Brains without much ego. I do think the
Rams have a strong chance to repeat. The NFC is
not as good as the AFC. I think they are
the best run operation and the most talented team in
the NFC. Not sure they stack up with some of
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the AFC teams, but again I think it's McVay, Stafford
and Brains without a lot of ego. Join. I live
in Los Angeles. Aaron Donald is the best defensive player
in twenty years. You don't see ego. McVeigh less, snead
Aaron Donald. You don't get a lot of ego, And
that matters because the NFL is so much more popular
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than every other sport in America that when you win
a Super Bowl, everybody becomes a rock star. Everybody gets
a book deal, a card deal. You know the name
of their linebackers, the interior lineman. We've seen this time
and time again. The Philadelphia Eagles. Ego got in the
way they won. Everybody got a book. They started lecturing
the Patriots on how to win. Remember that that was
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always good for a laugh. The Seahawks won, Remember they
blew out Denver and Peyton Manning. Guys like me are like,
that's the best team I've seen in twenty years. Teams
unbelaitable going five straight Super Bowls, weren't humbled. Ego got
in the way. The Buccaneers won a Super Bowl with Brady.
Everybody got paid. Even Brady acknowledged last year the team
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wasn't as focused. So the key in this is can
you win the Super Bowl and be humbled at the
same time or criticized? If you go back to those
Brady teams when they won early that back to back.
Brady's a system quarterback. They weren't blowing people out. These
were close games. They were an underdog in big games.
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It's more culture and system. Brady's not nearly as good
as Manning. He's not his talented, his big Ben. There
was this constant doubt, There was this content in the
Seahawks one. It looked like the best team we'd ever
seen Philadelphia one, with all the Nick Foles trick plays.
Everybody got paid bucks. When everybody gets paid, how do
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the Rams get humbled? I saw this this morning. This
is perfect pro football focus. Everybody reads that right, everybody
reads it had their top fifty players in the NFL
right now today, their quarterback, Matt Stafford did not make
the list. Didn't make the list. Three rams in the
top fourteen didn't make the list. On the same day today,
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Mike Sando of The Athletic, very respected guy did his
NFL tiers quarterback tier list. I talk about this every
day every year at this time of the year. It's
very respected. Matt Stafford make Tier one. Now think about that.
So he beat Joe Burrow in the Super Bowl, outplayed him.
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Burrow is twenty seven in the Pro Football Focus list
and Tier one. Stafford outplayed Brady, who he outplayed. He's eighth.
Stafford beat him both. In fact, Justin Herbert, who plays
in the same stadium as Stafford and could not make
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the playoffs, he made the list Tier one and Pro
Football Focus. Stafford's nowhere to be found, despite the fact
that he led come from behind victories in the Divisional round,
the nfs C Championship against Brady on the road and
in the Super Bowl against Burrow. And he's not in
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the Pro Football Focus top fifty players in the league.
And he's a Tier two quarterback. In Mike Sandos of
the Athletics highly respected quarterback tier list, and that tier
list is based on executives and coaches and people around
the league. So Stafford's reading that, and he'll of course
read that, and he's like, I'm a tier two quarterback.
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I'm low, Justin Herbert, I'm the second best quarterback in
the stadium I play my home games in. He didn't
make the playoffs. Just the kind of doubt eye rolling,
you're not there yet, settled down. That stuff matters. So
this Rams team, their star quarterback. And by the way, Stafford,
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who's well liked in the building, his coach is reading that.
His teammates are reading that, Aaron Donald's reading that, Cooper
CoP's reading that, and they're thinking, he's the second best
quarterback in SOFI stadium. And you know, I love me
some Justin Herbert, but that is some disrespect. Matt Stafford.
Tier two, not a top fifty player in the NFL.
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Alrighty then, So one NBA story today, it's a big
one k D. So there is a report from WOSH
they called a woh bomb that k D and the
Celtics is pretty viable discussion right now. So what was
apparently offered, according to wosh Jalen Brown. We just watched
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him in the playoffs. Very good player. Derek is that
Derek White, the guy off the bench average about eleven
twelve game, nice bench player and a first round pick. Now,
the Brooklyn Nets want a lot more than that. They
want Marcus Smart, Defensive player of the Year, another draft pick,
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and another rotational player. And I've said this about k D.
I'm not blown up my chemistry for KD. Brooklyn did.
I'm not blown up my bench for KD Brooklyn did.
I'm not blown up my future for Kadie Brooklyn did.
And I'm not blowing out my coach for Kadie Brooklyn did.
The Celtics added Malcolm Brogden, very good player, and they
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didn't have to give up any of their top pieces
to get Malcolm Brogden. So they're a top three team
in the league. Brooklyn is looking for a desperate team.
That's why Danny Ainge just trying to get a deal
done with the Knicks. They're desperate. Knicks right now are
like fourth most interesting story after the Yankees and the
Mets in the NFL season, starting in the Brooklyn Nets.
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That's why Danny Angel years ago when he made that
big deal with the Brooklyn Nets. They had a desperate owner.
Danny Angel is smart. He gets on the phone with desperate.
That's how you get a better deal buying a house,
selling a house, find desperate. Boston is not desperate. Excellent
young coach, excellent culture, excellent chemistry. Brad Stevens appears to
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be very strong as a GM. They've added Malcolm Brogden.
I mean, we all acknowledge the best roster coach culture
combo in the NBA as Golden State. Many believe Boston
is two. So to me in twenty twenty two today,
for Kevin Durant, who's thirty four, you're not gonna get
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eighty two regular season games. He's had some injuries. I
would give you what Brad Stevens apparently offered. I'd give
you a very strong star player. Jalen Brown's an excellent player,
expensive but excellent. I would give you a very good
bench player, and I would give you, if pushed, two picks.
I don't care what Minnesota did for Rudy Gobert. I
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don't care what Danny Aine's gonna how he's gonna work
the Knicks. That's a different situation. Minnesota Timberwolves have never
won anything. They're kind of desperate. They've got Anthony Edwards
and Carl Anthony Towns and they're in a let's win
games now mode. I get it, totally get what the
t Wolves are doing. They've never had a roster this good.
So the t Wolves have never won anything. Not that
they're desperate, but it's go time. The Knicks are desperate.
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When KG got traded to Brooklyn, Brooklyn was desperate. That's
not what the Celtics are. So I think the deal
is doable. But I am not throwing in Marcus Smart.
I'm not throwing in another rotational player. I would give
you a second first round pick, Jalen Brown and a
bench player. That's a completely reasonable move. Do I think
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this happens? No, Brooklyn's looking for desperate and start asking
yourself in the NBA right now, of all the top
teams where Katie would want to play, is Miami desperate?
They went seven games in the Eastern Conference Finals. They're
not desperate. Is Milwaukee desperate? Is Golden State desperate? Or
the Clippers desperate? Or the Celtics desperate? Are the Sons desperate?
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Seems to me those arenas are full. Seems to mean
those teams win a lot of games. They got the
right coaches. So I think that's as good a deal
as Kade could get. I think that's as good a deal, honestly,
as Brooklyn could get. That's the deal. A top end starter,
excellent bench guy, a couple of first round picks. If
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you're trying to get more good luck, I don't think
it's out there all right, A lot of stuff today.
I was just tickled this weekend. Can I say that
I sound old saying that Derek Carr Davanta Adams called
him a Hall of famer. You know you know how
that landed for Uncle Colin. I'm gonna just say that
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felt good. That felt finally somebody else jumping on the
Derek car is a hall of famer. But I don't
think people quite understand how serious I am about this
or Davante is. And I'm give you a little story,
and I think it'll change your mind for all you
Derek Carr doubters. Next, be sure to catch live editions
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Oh I had a great weekend. Hope you did as well.
It was made even better when Davontae Adams, who used
to play with Aaron Rodgers and now plays with Derek Carr,
was quoted as saying over the weekend, you know when
you go from one Hall of Famer to another Hall
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of Famer at quarter back, there's a little adjustment. Oh,
the Internet imploated, well, Aaron is going to be a
Hall of Famer and Derek Carr is going to be
a Hall of Famer. Some of us are perceptive enough
to see it years before others. But there's no reason
to be smug about that. Derek Carr is entering his
ninth NFL season. Davante Adams, I don't think he really
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clarified what he was saying. He still said what he
meant when asked about the comment he made. Derek's career
proves to honestly, you look at the numbers that he's had,
and you know what he's had to work with, and
the adversity that he's had, you know, in Oakland and
coming to Vegas and the type of stuff that's been
going on here in the past, which you know, hopefully
we're putting all that stuff to bed. What I'm not
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going to do is say Derek is not going to
be a Hall of Famer, because at the end of
the day, I believe, you know, this is not putting
any expectations or any added pressure on him, because you know,
he puts all that that type of pressure on himself
because of what he expects, you know, every time he
touches the field. It's amazing to me people struggle with
the idea of something we have all lived through adversity.
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If you told me you ran a company and had
a one hundred million dollars net worth, but your dad
was a billionaire, I'm going to be much less impressed
than if you told me I run a nice insurance business,
I make a great living and we've done well for
our family. That's impressive. If he came from a tough
childhood or adversity, nobody gave you money. You had to
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build a business yourself. We all know that to be true.
That's why we cry when we see certain stories on
social media about young people overcoming this and overcoming that.
It tugs at our heart because many of us have
experienced that we didn't have a perfect family, we didn't
have a lot of support, not saying my childhood wasn't
better than many, but that's what tugs at our heart.
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That's what they make movies about in Hollywood. They don't
make movies in Hollywood that anybody wants to watch about
kids from trust funds. That's not tugging at anybody's heartstrings.
And this is where I'm always going to support Derek Carr,
and I don't understand that people don't get it. He's
in the NFL eight years. For seven of the eight,
I'd argue he had a below average offensive line. He's
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on his sixth coach, entering his ninth year. The franchise moved.
He's in a tough division with Kansas City and Andy Reid.
The last couple of years, the organization was run from
two guys hired out of network television. But this is
the stat in Derek's eight years in the NFL. He's
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entering year nine, the Raiders have allowed the most points
in the league in those eight years and had the
fewest takeaways. Meaning he doesn't get a short field, he
doesn't get a week off. He's got to win by
shootout every damn week. Every week the franchise needs him
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to overcome the defense and the battle line and the
TV guy who's now a GM and a coach. What
a shock. I looked at Mike Sandos quarterback tiers this morning.
He has Derek Carr ranked as the twelfth best quarterback
in the NFL. I think that's reasonable. I have him
at ten. A study conducted last season says Mike Sandos
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quarterback tier list show that Derek Carr got worse support
from his own defense and special teams than any of
forty one quarterbacks with at least three years as a
starter over the past decade. The biggest criticism of Derek
Carr is explainable. It says his issue he doesn't like
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to get hit a nobody does be His brother, David
Carr entered the league and took a physical beating for years,
and that ended his brother, who he's really close with.
He watched his brother take a beating physically for years,
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and so Derek having watched somebody who he cares deeply
about his family go through something like if you watch
the member of your family go through a horrible divorce,
you may not want to be inclined to get married
really quickly. So Derek Carr watched this brother go through
a physical beating and he is really really aware of
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get rid of the ball. But we all acknowledge in
life the stuff that makes us cry, that tugs at
our heart, that Hollywood write scripts about his overcoming adversity.
Derek Carr is the picture of it. And last year
Henry Ruggs John Gruden in the Tougher AFC he carried
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them the life preserver for the franchise in the desert.
He carried them to the playoffs. So yes, folks, Matt
Jones and two and Kirk Cousins complete seventy percent in
the clean pocket. That ain't the game. Kenny Pickett, Pittsburgh
drafted him. Give him a clean pocket for six years.
It's gonna complete sixty eight percent of his throws. But
the Steelers have a bad online. Now, let's like Derek Carr,
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if eight years later you can be a three time
pro bowler. He's a three time pro bowler with a
good seven years left. He better buy a gold jacket.
He's going to be given one, but he should just
get used to wearing it. And by the way, once again,
what does Derek Carr have this year? A new coach,
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a new general manager. The division is now the toughest
in my lifetime, and I wouldn't be shocked if they've
made the playoffs. I may not predict it, but I
wouldn't be shocked. Shocked. Joey Taylor with the news, No,
no turn on the news, this is the herd line
news is that possibly going to make an appearance in
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Calm was right, Colin was wrong. Later today have a
feeling leader in the clubhouse. Well, Darvdham has some work
to do to get the Lakers back to their winning
ways after a disappointment's last year, and he went on
All the Smoke podcasts and he was asked what fans
can spectrum the team this season, and his answer could
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be seen as a potential warning to Russell Westbrook. He said,
We're going to be together, the most together team always
does well, always wins at the end of the day.
And accountability. We're gonna be tough, We're gonna be defensive minded.
That's the side of the ball where you're going to
see the quickest and most dramatic improvement. And we're going
to share offensively again. We want everybody all in on
what we're doing. We don't want anybody that's second guessing
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being a laker or am I in the right place. Well,
Westbrook is not a very good defender and he's not
great at sharing the ball, so that, to your point,
does feel like a little bit of a this is
what we're going to be. I hope you will comply
with our demands. Well, this is what Darvin should say. Yes,
and he's right. The way that is how you get
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better fast, correct. I mean, yes, that's not the defense
is easy. But defense is effort and energy and passion.
And also obviously you can be an incredibly skilled defensive player,
but you can't just automatically become a better shooter like
that is a side of the ball where you can
make an immediate impact if you come in with the
right mentalent. There are no if you look at the
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end of the year, Joy, there were no bad defensive
teams left. In fact, Boston was rated one, Golden State two,
and when we watched that series at the end, we
thought Golden State may have been one in Boston two. Right, Right,
It's it's very important in this in today's game, which
for a long time we were like, oh, you're not
a defensive player. Or whatever you can get away with it.
Not anymore because there are so many complete teams, well
coached teams, teams with accountability and leadership and development. So
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this is the right approach to have. And quite frankly,
if Russ doesn't want to buy into something as simple
as playing a little bit more defense and sharing the ball,
you got the wrong guy. Well it's just what is
the point, Like literally, what's the point to me? The
situation with the Lakers is very in Russell Westbrook is
very obvious. If I'm having that conversation, It's very simple.
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What are the results? What were the results from what
you did last year? Not what Frank Vocal did. He's
not here anymore. Yeah, not the rest of the teammates did,
not what Anthony Davids did. What did you do that
produced winning results? Well, the end of the season was
a disaster, So you can't. If you are producing high
numbers and it's converting into wins and everyone's happy, and
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you just had like a couple bad injuries at the
end of the year, then you can make that argument.
But the results matter. They matter, especially in a place
like Los Angeles where you do have one of the
most competitive sports markets in the country. Oh, it's star
driven teams outside of the Lakers. All good, It's I
think it is the most competitive right now. It's insane.
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So you just can't accept mediocre. It's just it's not
going to work with this organization. And those asks of
Darvin are very simple and straightforward. I love this story.
So Alabama and Fanatics have agreed to a long term
partnership to enhance fan experience. It will be fanatics most
comprehensive college partnership. Gives them exclusive rights to Alabama's e commerce,
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as well as additional rights across fan apparel, trading cards, NFTs,
and collectibles, and it will also allow for the creation
of student athletes name image, likeness merchandise interesting. It's great company.
They'll also have the first ever team retail store inside
Bryant Denny Stadium, which is expected to open this season.
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So this will also give opportunities for student athletes to
do autograph signings to sell their own nil merchandise within
the store. This is really very organized, a huge company,
such a gigant, a billion dollar, multibillion dollar company. I
love this story. Obviously, Nick Saban was all over the
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news this offseason about NIL. Alabama is probably the biggest
brands in college football. We'll see how this goes over
the next couple of years with the way that the
recruiting process is gone, but this is obviously a big
incentive for recruits to come to Alabama because this is
extremely organized and this is something that people who are
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skeptics of NIL should look to as the standard for
how you can integrate what is a organization. A program
that has been at the top of the sport for
a very long time is trying to adjust to the
wild wild West. Brings in a company like Fanatics, which
is a huge, respected company who does great work make
it easy for the student athletes to sell their own
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stuff for them. If they want to have an autograph signing,
you can do it right there in the store. Everything
is very organized, very upfront, and you can make money
off of it and everything will be documented. Yeah, not
a surprise that Nick Saban, who's the smartest guy that's
ever coach college football, was ahead. I mean, I have
my criticisms of Nick. Complaining about the competitive imbalance scares him.
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I looked yesterday he has six the top fifteen draftable
players in the next raft that competitive balance is really
getting out of whack. He can make you say some
things that aren't very accurate sometimes, but this is I
think what the future of NIL is. Extremely organized, huge
companies partnering with student athlete's and providing them a very
straightforward way for them to make money off of their name, image, likeness,
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literally their jerseys, game warn memorabile yea autograph signings. It's
very simple. So Kyler Murray, thank you Cardinals. Well, you
know we only want to talk about this for about
two months. Ye I know, this was a piece of cake.
Thank you. Yeah. Oh my god, I was so terrified
we're gonna have to do that again. That Dak Prescott
contract was insane. So five year, two hundred and thirty
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point five million dollar extension last week. So he will
say with the Cardinals through the twenty twenty eight season,
and he is looking forward to trying to bring a
Super Bowl to Arizona. He said, nothing really changes. It's
a payday, yeah, but I'm most excited about getting back
on the field. My job is to fulfill my promise
and bring a championship here. There's no questions about it.
There's no other place I wanted to be this whole time,
and I mean that. Steve Kim also said he felt
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that Murray and the team were satisfied with the deal
and that there were some team friendly things in there
that were important to Kyler. I think this is great. No,
I said it last week. I thought it was very
mahomes like and that the team feels like they can
still make moves. And this is not a knock at
Aaron Rodgers, but Aaron knew when he signed his deal
the Packers had no more money. This is really if
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you look at the way it tears up, it's very
mahomes It's the Cardinals will be able to make as
long as they hit some draft picks. Kyler's responsibility, that's right,
They've got. That's why if you look at the Rams,
people talk about how much money they spend. They hit
on draft picks so they don't have to pay interior
linemen and tight ends much. So if Arizona can hit
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on draft picks, they'll be able to go get free
agents for Kyler. I love it. I didn't one just selfishly.
I don't want to talk about someone's contract for years
on ends. Two, he has improved the team. I know
people argue about whether wins or quarterbacks or not better
every single year. He is the future of the organization.
This is a position you should want to have to pay. Yeah,
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And if you can structure the contract with this particular
position in a way that gives you flexibility, that's the
best situation. Now you don't have to worry about it.
You got your guy focus on everything else. Yea. And
he is going to only improve as time goes on.
And now there isn't this looming cloud of is he
going to make his money? How much is it going
to be? Oh, the market's going up. Yeah, I love
this move for Arizona. Good stuff. Joey Taylor with the news.
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Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by Thirdline News.
So a lot of NFL, a lot of football. Way
to go Alabama. That's a good deal. Every NFL camp
opens by tomorrow. Many are already open. That means today
July twenty fifth until February fourteenth. I looked it up.
That's two days after the Super Bowl. Seventy percent of
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this show will be National Football League talk, and I'm
completely comfortable with it. If I was a talk show
host in Canada, seventy percent of the NHL season would
be hockey talk. If I was in the UK during
the English Premier League season, seventy percent of my talk
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would be EPL talk. In the United States, ratings, what
we bet on, what we play, fantasy, what we watch,
I could probably go to ninety percent, but then I'd
feel like I was on the NFL network six and
a half months of rabid consumerism. I have always said,
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you drive the show, you watch it, you bet it,
you love it. I talk it, and it's only grown
in my sportscasting career. It's pulled away from other leagues.
Why well, unlike baseball, the NFL is constantly evolving and adapting.
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Unlike the NBA, it's simply more relatable. Load management, Give
me a break. Other sports, like hockey or MLS don't
have many recognizable stars. They feel niche. But you know
why football really crushes in this country because it's US.
It's windy and rainy. Get over it, Go to work.
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I make good money. You're cut. Could happen to me tomorrow.
I'm hurt, I don't feel good. I'm sick. Get to work,
suck it up. That's the NFL. They play hurt, They
play lousy weather. Their employees with some limited power, even
though they're well compensated and they can be cut at
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any time. There are no ten year contracts, even for
Tom Brady. Play hurt, play sick, play lousy weather. This
country's a hundred degrees almost everywhere, and there's construction sites booming,
men and women on top of those roofs in those buildings,
and a lot of them are sick. Get back to work.
It relates to us because it is us. I love
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the NBA, I love the baseball playoffs. I love a
lot of sports. But my favorite part of the NFL
is how much it matters to the players watch the games.
I mean, these guys cry every Sunday one o'clock window
it's nuts. Bad teams Week fourteen. Joey knows her brother played.
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I once asked Jason Taylor, a great player, I said,
at the end of your career, you know you had
to play hurt and very humble guy. He once told
me he could not feel his foot in the second
half of a game because he had to shoot it
up because his team had a very very small chance
to get into the playoffs. You're out for three weeks
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in baseball. You'll take the month off in the NBA.
Look at how many people show up to practice. It's
not like spring training where there's actual games and two
teams practice. It's us. It speak to us, It speaks
to us. Excuse me. They play hurt, they play in
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bad weather, they can be cut, they have limited power,
even though they're well compensated. It is relatable load management.
Come on, NBA, you're making thirty five large year. It's
Tuesday night. Just play, Just play baseball. I know you're
a little sore in your thumb. Just get in the
batter's box and hit. Can't wait six and a half months.
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Seventy percent, I'm good. I'll talk about other stuff, but
it will dominate our show, and that's a good thing.
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Colin right, Colin wrong, top the next hour on a Monday.
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He built that Buccaneers roster that won a Super Bowl
years ago. And Mark Dominic, my friend is now joining us,
a former NFL general manager. Hall of Fame games right
around the corner. It's less than two weeks away from
the Raiders Jags. It's nuts. So it was interesting watching
the reaction to the Kyler Murray deal. So even people
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I respect that cover football for a living, a lot
of them were like, he's small, he gets hurt, he
mailed in the playoff game. There's a lot of social
media nonsense, and I get it. It's it's not Dak.
It's not you know, it's not Dak makes everybody comfortable, right,
He just says the right thing. But boy, I look
at this mark and I'm like, Arizona is irrelevant. Without him,
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I would have made the deal. I would always pay
my quarterback early if I believe it. Where did you
land on it? Yeah? You know I was at the
point where the communication from the Kylin Murray's side and
the agent. Maybe you realize this deal was coming together
because it finally got quiet. People started to stop talking
about it through the public and started talking through it privately.
For the deal dynamics, it's interesting you know after year
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three that quarterbacks are getting deals to this level. There's
no more discounts or doing a deal early. But you've
been through Josh Rosen there, you know what it's different.
Steve Kim drafted both guys and seeing the difference in
coach Kingsbury has been will work with Kyler and sees
here's a guy that's completing seventy percent of his passes.
He can run if he wants to run, he can
throw if he needs to throw. He can certainly do
so many things. So I get it. I get while
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the deal's done. You know, I always am a believer
and take it a little more pausitive You're not sure,
but I think you see him every day in practice.
You see the dynamic ability of them. Yeah, did you
want more out of the postseason? Yeah? Do you still
wonder about leadership? Maybe a hint, But to know you've
got your guy wrapped up calling, I think is a
good thing. Yeah, you drive to work every day. That
part set. Let's build around him. So I liked it.
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So you were very critical of the Niners giving away
three number ones for Trey Lance. I remember that you
didn't love it. So I have now three different sources
that have said that have told me this offseason they
liked Trey, but the accuracy thing is practice to practice
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day to day, and they are a little uneasy with it.
So it looks like they're trying to move Garoppolo. Okay,
so they're gonna give it to Trey, which I think
is the right move. You got to figure out if
he can play. But what do you make of There's
been a lot of chatter, a lot of talk. We
still don't know. Last year Mark he wasn't very accurate.
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What do you make of all of it today? Well,
I mean it is what it is. They made their
bed in San Francisco, and said, hey, we're giving up
ones when you could get any quarterback in the league
almost for three number ones. Obviously, the Cleveland Browns went
for Deshaun Watson, who's approven commodity. Here you went for
Trey Lance, and even when you made the trade, you
weren't quite sure which quarterback he went Right Now, I
went back to the lab and started watching all the
other quarterbacks who do we like? And they picked trade.
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The thing that made you nervous about trade now or
in that situation, why I wasn't a big fan of it.
He's never really faced a real adversity kind of situation.
He was great in college, never threw any interceptions, knew
what to do. Now he's in the National Football League
and he's going to a team that's expected to be
a playoff contender, and accuracy is a tricky thing. Now,
we all saw Josh Allen. He became much more accurate
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and quarterback. And so I'm always a little bit more
hesitant of like banning or bashing a guy. And I
love Kyle Shanahan's system on offense, but he can't have
a lot of bad starts. He can't stack one, two,
three bad starts. In a row or this season will
fall apart real quick, and you're looking at five and
twelve in San Francisco. So I bought at you know,
I'm starting to read get in my fantasy football all
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my football MAGA scenes as I flew home yesterday. So
I'm just going through it. I am. I'm not shocked,
but I'm surprised, and a lot of people who are like,
I don't know if Russell's gonna work in Denver, and
I think, well, I've seen it twice. It's called Brady
and Tampa and Stafford in Los Angeles. Where the roster's good,
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they need a catalyst, and I think Russell is a catalyst.
But there are a lot of doubters on him, even
people I like Greg ko Sell watch his films like
he runs himself out of a lot of successful plays. Well,
I don't know if I've ever asked you this Russell.
Has he declined or was it Seattle's mass? What do
you make of him in Denver? Well, I love Russell Wilson. Still,
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I think the guy's a winner. I've talked to players
within the organization. I've talked to a couple of coaches
on the staff, A couple of fun office people. He's
changed the feeling of that it's his team, and he's
made it very well known in terms of what he
wants out of the football team, what he wants out
of each practice, and what are the ones I need
each play. I think there's a lot of confidence in
Denver right now. I'm a huge believer, Like I'm going
to keep the Chiefs as the top just because they've
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been there and they've earned that right. But I've got
Denver coming in saying we can take over this division.
But I haven't them to come in in number two
and they could be a playoff spoiler for anybody. I
think Russell still has it, you know. I think John Steiner,
who had him in Seattle all those years at the gym,
loved Russell Wilson, but solid that whole organization, that whole
roster has got to complete turnover to turn around, and
for them to move Russell Wilson had to be a
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very difficult decision. But I think he is one of
those guys that changes overnight. Like I think this Denver
team gets up two more wins. I think they're eleven
and five or eleven and six type of football team.
I think they make the postseason and you don't want
to play him. I'm a huge believer in this move.
All right, Belichick has been so successful. Who am I
to doubt him? But the idea of going into a
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season with no offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator, I'm like,
is he think he's too smart for the room? I mean,
just from the outside, what am I supposed to make
of that? It's such a Belichick thing to do, right,
just to kind of enigma and not answer anything onto
Cincinnati whatever it is. You know, it's always that kind
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of a moment. Here's the thing. You think it's a
political or it's a political way to move around the
football team and say who's going to call the plays?
How do we prepare? Because that's what you're thinking as
a defensive coordinator. All this offseason, you would be watching
tape of who the offensive coordinators for the Patriots and
say how do they call games? And kind of get
a sense of how they call games because you've had months.
Belichick's like, hey, why give anybody that choo to three
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month advantage and sit there and watch how you call
a game and kind of get a sense of what
they do because That's what good coordinators do, is they
get a feel for the flow. Now, you don't really
know who to choose, even though you're going to know
in a couple of weeks, because we're all going to
see them in the preseason and somebody's gonna be sitting
there calling the plays in But I guarantee you this,
they know internally, there's no way mac Jones is trying
to work through two different play callers right now in
his second year in the NFL. They know internally. All
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Belichick tried to do here was not let defensive coordinators
study the habits of the play caller, and that is
actually a competitive advantage that of course the Patriots figure out. Yeah,
by the way, their schedule is brutal late, but it's
favorable early in the year, and maybe Belichick sees that
I've not heard it put that way. Finally, you know, Tampa, well,
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you built them. It's an offensive league. They moved to
a defensive coach. It feels like Brady's last year. Fournette
comes in out of shape, Bronk's not there. You know,
Brady last year complained about you know, once we won
the title, the focus wasn't quite there. What do you
make of them this year, Colin. I think they're still
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going to be really good, although I think the Saints
are going to push to get a playoff team just
because of how explosive they're going to be offensively. I
think Tampa's gonna be too good to catch. And I
don't think there's anything really wrong with the team. I
think they still need a veteran presence in their secondary,
just somebody to kind of be there if if something
starts to break down. They had a lot of injuries
in that position last year. I like this team a lot,
you know, with Russell Gage being and there, Chris Godwin
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will be back on that football field probably whatever it is.
Weeks six, weeks eight, and then you Addam Mike Evans.
You still got three great wide receivers. You still at
Cameron Brady is a good player. Yeah, Leonard Fournette might
be a little out of shape. He'll work that off.
It's called training camp. It's what you're gonna do. It's
what he'll do. And Tom's still tremendously good. And then
you know they made the shift with losing Alice Kappa,
allam Our pet retires, but then they go get Shack Mason,
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who's better than those two players. And so I like
what Tampa's done this offseason. I think Jason Light's got
them primed, and I don't think seeing the coaching change.
I think it's actually a good thing for this football
team because I have a feeling there's a lot of
excitement for that entire team in Todd Bowls to be
able to show that he could be a great coach
in the National Football League. So Tampa's gonna repeat the
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Division championship, but they're gonna have a battle through Dallas.
I think to go to the Super Bowl. Good stuff.
Mark Dominic, former NFL GM. Great seeing you Hall of
Fame games around the corner. Thanks Mark, you bet Colin,
thanks for having me on. It's a really interesting point.
I had it. I hadn't thought about this. If you
look at the Patriots schedule, it's crazy, asked. I believe
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it's seven or eight games. It's the hardest schedule in
the league. It's just Pro Bowl quarterback, Pro Bowl Quarterback,
Pro Bowl quarterback. Wild they face eight Look at the
Patriots last eight games. Joy. Okay, So let's go one
to three, four, five, six, last seven at the Vikings
offense Buffalo at Arizona's offense at the raiders offense Joey
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Burrow Miami's new offense at Buffalo. That is brutal. So
to Mark's point, does Belichick look at that schedule and say,
we gotta go seven and one? We gotta win games early?
Which has never been Belichick's fourte Belichick has always been
the September experimenter. I think Bill looks at that and thinks,
I'm gonna quarterback this advantage eight weeks in a row.
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I gotta win early. And to Mark's point, the element
of surprise, you don't know what we're gonna do that
opening those opening two games at Miami and at Pittsburgh,
you go oh and two in those that season is
you are done in at the vision you are seriously,
that is that last eight weeks that's insane. You face
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Kirk Cousins, Josh Allen, Kyler, Murray, Derek Carr, Joe Burrow,
you get two at home, that's the break with all
new weapons, and at Josh Allen. Their first four games
are not that easy. No, not easy. But I do
I do think Bills looks at that schedule and thought,
we gotta start quick and maybe to Mark's point, element
of surprise steals a couple of w's in September and
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we have a shot. Wow, all right, Colin right, Colin wrong,
top of our number two on a Monday. We've got
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July live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Joy matches
the sets of how at that for wherever you may
be and however you may be listening iHeartRadio, Fox Sports
Radio FS one. So Colin right, Colin wrong in one
hour from now. There's a lot going on today. It's
a fun Who's Joy's brother, of course, is a legendary
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Hall of Fame football player and one of the nicest
guys that sports ever had. Wonderful guy. And the family
nobody in the family has ever had a pimple, So
the perfect looking family. But it's the start of football
season like today, Yes, all the camps are open, and
so it puts me in a good mood, not only
because our job gets easier in the football season, because
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it's like rapid consumerism, like people love it, but there's
just so many more stories going in. And this July
has always been a weird month for us because June
is NBA, right, it's the Finals, it's intense, and then
it's the Draft, and then it's Summer League and who's
the New Stars And it's so much fun for about
seven weeks, and all of a sudden, NBA trades kind
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of you know, they kind of dissipate, and here comes
the NFL. So today feels like to me, the start
of six and a half months of more football talk,
well increasingly more. There is no real dead time. I mean,
look at the news and the stories we got last week.
Now you wake up this morning there's a new kd
rumor like this. It doesn't really feel like in sports
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it used to be like this, abyss, there's not really
it's football's back, and I can't believe it's here already.
So I thought this was interesting. It's been nineteen years
all the camps are open in the NFL, nineteen years
since we've had a repeat champion. That was back in
oh three h four of the New England Patriots. And
I believe there's a reason why the Patriots repeated and
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why they were good year after year after year. Belichick,
Brady and Brains without much ego. I do think the
Rams have a strong chance to repeat. The NFC is
not as good as the AFC. I think they are
the best run operation and the most talented team in
the NFC. Not sure they stack up with some of
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the AFC teams, but again I think it's McVay, Stafford
and Brains without a lot of ego. Join. I live
in Los Angeles. Aaron Donald is the best defensive player
in twenty years. You don't see ego. McVeigh less, snead
Aaron Donald. You don't get a lot of ego, And
that matters because the NFL is so much more popular
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than every other sport in America that when you win
a Super Bowl, everybody becomes a rock star. Everybody gets
a book deal, a card deal. You know the name
of their linebackers, the interior lineman. We've seen this time
and time again. The Philadelphia Eagles. Ego got in the
way they won. Everybody got a book. They started lecturing
the Patriots on how to win. Remember that that was
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always good for a laugh. The Seahawks won, Remember they
blew out Denver and Peyton Manning. Guys like me are like,
that's the best team I've seen in twenty years. Teams
unbelaitable going five straight Super Bowls, weren't humbled. Ego got
in the way. The Buccaneers won a Super Bowl with Brady.
Everybody got paid. Even Brady acknowledged last year the team
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wasn't as focused. So the key in this is can
you win the Super Bowl and be humbled at the
same time or criticized? If you go back to those
Brady teams when they won early that back to back.
Brady's a system quarterback. They weren't blowing people out. These
were close games. They were an underdog in big games.
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It's more culture and system. Brady's not nearly as good
as Manning. He's not his talented, his big Ben. There
was this constant doubt, There was this content in the
Seahawks one. It looked like the best team we'd ever
seen Philadelphia one, with all the Nick Foles trick plays.
Everybody got paid bucks. When everybody gets paid, how do
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the Rams get humbled? I saw this this morning. This
is perfect pro football focus. Everybody reads that right, everybody
reads it had their top fifty players in the NFL
right now today, their quarterback, Matt Stafford did not make
the list. Didn't make the list. Three rams in the
top fourteen didn't make the list. On the same day today,
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Mike Sando of The Athletic, very respected guy did his
NFL tiers quarterback tier list. I talk about this every
day every year at this time of the year. It's
very respected. Matt Stafford make Tier one. Now think about that.
So he beat Joe Burrow in the Super Bowl, outplayed him.
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Burrow is twenty seven in the Pro Football Focus list
and Tier one. Stafford outplayed Brady, who he outplayed. He's eighth.
Stafford beat him both. In fact, Justin Herbert, who plays
in the same stadium as Stafford and could not make
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the playoffs, he made the list Tier one and Pro
Football Focus. Stafford's nowhere to be found, despite the fact
that he led come from behind victories in the Divisional round,
the nfs C Championship against Brady on the road and
in the Super Bowl against Burrow. And he's not in
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the Pro Football Focus top fifty players in the league.
And he's a Tier two quarterback. In Mike Sandos of
the Athletics highly respected quarterback tier list, and that tier
list is based on executives and coaches and people around
the league. So Stafford's reading that, and he'll of course
read that, and he's like, I'm a tier two quarterback.
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I'm low, Justin Herbert, I'm the second best quarterback in
the stadium I play my home games in. He didn't
make the playoffs. Just the kind of doubt eye rolling,
you're not there yet, settled down. That stuff matters. So
this Rams team, their star quarterback. And by the way, Stafford,
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who's well liked in the building, his coach is reading that.
His teammates are reading that, Aaron Donald's reading that, Cooper
CoP's reading that, and they're thinking, he's the second best
quarterback in SOFI stadium. And you know, I love me
some Justin Herbert, but that is some disrespect. Matt Stafford.
Tier two, not a top fifty player in the NFL.
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Alrighty then, So one NBA story today, it's a big
one k D. So there is a report from WOSH
they called a woh bomb that k D and the
Celtics is pretty viable discussion right now. So what was
apparently offered, according to wosh Jalen Brown. We just watched
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him in the playoffs. Very good player. Derek is that
Derek White, the guy off the bench average about eleven
twelve game, nice bench player and a first round pick. Now,
the Brooklyn Nets want a lot more than that. They
want Marcus Smart, Defensive player of the Year, another draft pick,
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and another rotational player. And I've said this about k D.
I'm not blown up my chemistry for KD. Brooklyn did.
I'm not blown up my bench for KD Brooklyn did.
I'm not blown up my future for Kadie Brooklyn did.
And I'm not blowing out my coach for Kadie Brooklyn did.
The Celtics added Malcolm Brogden, very good player, and they
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didn't have to give up any of their top pieces
to get Malcolm Brogden. So they're a top three team
in the league. Brooklyn is looking for a desperate team.
That's why Danny Ainge just trying to get a deal
done with the Knicks. They're desperate. Knicks right now are
like fourth most interesting story after the Yankees and the
Mets in the NFL season, starting in the Brooklyn Nets.
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That's why Danny Angel years ago when he made that
big deal with the Brooklyn Nets. They had a desperate owner.
Danny Angel is smart. He gets on the phone with desperate.
That's how you get a better deal buying a house,
selling a house, find desperate. Boston is not desperate. Excellent
young coach, excellent culture, excellent chemistry. Brad Stevens appears to
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be very strong as a GM. They've added Malcolm Brogden.
I mean, we all acknowledge the best roster coach culture
combo in the NBA as Golden State. Many believe Boston
is two. So to me in twenty twenty two today,
for Kevin Durant, who's thirty four, you're not gonna get
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eighty two regular season games. He's had some injuries. I
would give you what Brad Stevens apparently offered. I'd give
you a very strong star player. Jalen Brown's an excellent player,
expensive but excellent. I would give you a very good
bench player, and I would give you, if pushed, two picks.
I don't care what Minnesota did for Rudy Gobert. I
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don't care what Danny Aine's gonna how he's gonna work
the Knicks. That's a different situation. Minnesota Timberwolves have never
won anything. They're kind of desperate. They've got Anthony Edwards
and Carl Anthony Towns and they're in a let's win
games now mode. I get it, totally get what the
t Wolves are doing. They've never had a roster this good.
So the t Wolves have never won anything. Not that
they're desperate, but it's go time. The Knicks are desperate.
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When KG got traded to Brooklyn, Brooklyn was desperate. That's
not what the Celtics are. So I think the deal
is doable. But I am not throwing in Marcus Smart.
I'm not throwing in another rotational player. I would give
you a second first round pick, Jalen Brown and a
bench player. That's a completely reasonable move. Do I think
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this happens? No, Brooklyn's looking for desperate and start asking
yourself in the NBA right now, of all the top
teams where Katie would want to play, is Miami desperate?
They went seven games in the Eastern Conference Finals. They're
not desperate. Is Milwaukee desperate? Is Golden State desperate? Or
the Clippers desperate? Or the Celtics desperate? Are the Sons desperate?
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Seems to me those arenas are full. Seems to mean
those teams win a lot of games. They got the
right coaches. So I think that's as good a deal
as Kade could get. I think that's as good a deal, honestly,
as Brooklyn could get. That's the deal. A top end starter,
excellent bench guy, a couple of first round picks. If
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you're trying to get more good luck, I don't think
it's out there all right, A lot of stuff today.
I was just tickled this weekend. Can I say that
I sound old saying that Derek Carr Davanta Adams called
him a Hall of famer. You know you know how
that landed for Uncle Colin. I'm gonna just say that
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felt good. That felt finally somebody else jumping on the
Derek car is a hall of famer. But I don't
think people quite understand how serious I am about this
or Davante is. And I'm give you a little story,
and I think it'll change your mind for all you
Derek Carr doubters. Next, be sure to catch live editions
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of The Herd weekdays in noon Easter nine a Empacific
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Oh I had a great weekend. Hope you did as well.
It was made even better when Davontae Adams, who used
to play with Aaron Rodgers and now plays with Derek Carr,
was quoted as saying over the weekend, you know when
you go from one Hall of Famer to another Hall
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of Famer at quarter back, there's a little adjustment. Oh,
the Internet imploated, well, Aaron is going to be a
Hall of Famer and Derek Carr is going to be
a Hall of Famer. Some of us are perceptive enough
to see it years before others. But there's no reason
to be smug about that. Derek Carr is entering his
ninth NFL season. Davante Adams, I don't think he really
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clarified what he was saying. He still said what he
meant when asked about the comment he made. Derek's career
proves to honestly, you look at the numbers that he's had,
and you know what he's had to work with, and
the adversity that he's had, you know, in Oakland and
coming to Vegas and the type of stuff that's been
going on here in the past, which you know, hopefully
we're putting all that stuff to bed. What I'm not
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going to do is say Derek is not going to
be a Hall of Famer, because at the end of
the day, I believe, you know, this is not putting
any expectations or any added pressure on him, because you know,
he puts all that that type of pressure on himself
because of what he expects, you know, every time he
touches the field. It's amazing to me people struggle with
the idea of something we have all lived through adversity.
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If you told me you ran a company and had
a one hundred million dollars net worth, but your dad
was a billionaire, I'm going to be much less impressed
than if you told me I run a nice insurance business,
I make a great living and we've done well for
our family. That's impressive. If he came from a tough
childhood or adversity, nobody gave you money. You had to
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build a business yourself. We all know that to be true.
That's why we cry when we see certain stories on
social media about young people overcoming this and overcoming that.
It tugs at our heart because many of us have
experienced that we didn't have a perfect family, we didn't
have a lot of support, not saying my childhood wasn't
better than many, but that's what tugs at our heart.
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That's what they make movies about in Hollywood. They don't
make movies in Hollywood that anybody wants to watch about
kids from trust funds. That's not tugging at anybody's heartstrings.
And this is where I'm always going to support Derek Carr,
and I don't understand that people don't get it. He's
in the NFL eight years. For seven of the eight,
I'd argue he had a below average offensive line. He's
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on his sixth coach, entering his ninth year. The franchise moved.
He's in a tough division with Kansas City and Andy Reid.
The last couple of years, the organization was run from
two guys hired out of network television. But this is
the stat in Derek's eight years in the NFL. He's
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entering year nine, the Raiders have allowed the most points
in the league in those eight years and had the
fewest takeaways. Meaning he doesn't get a short field, he
doesn't get a week off. He's got to win by
shootout every damn week. Every week the franchise needs him
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to overcome the defense and the battle line and the
TV guy who's now a GM and a coach. What
a shock. I looked at Mike Sandos quarterback tiers this morning.
He has Derek Carr ranked as the twelfth best quarterback
in the NFL. I think that's reasonable. I have him
at ten. A study conducted last season says Mike Sandos
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quarterback tier list show that Derek Carr got worse support
from his own defense and special teams than any of
forty one quarterbacks with at least three years as a
starter over the past decade. The biggest criticism of Derek
Carr is explainable. It says his issue he doesn't like
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to get hit a nobody does be His brother, David
Carr entered the league and took a physical beating for years,
and that ended his brother, who he's really close with.
He watched his brother take a beating physically for years,
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and so Derek having watched somebody who he cares deeply
about his family go through something like if you watch
the member of your family go through a horrible divorce,
you may not want to be inclined to get married
really quickly. So Derek Carr watched this brother go through
a physical beating and he is really really aware of
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get rid of the ball. But we all acknowledge in
life the stuff that makes us cry, that tugs at
our heart, that Hollywood write scripts about his overcoming adversity.
Derek Carr is the picture of it. And last year
Henry Ruggs John Gruden in the Tougher AFC he carried
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them the life preserver for the franchise in the desert.
He carried them to the playoffs. So yes, folks, Matt
Jones and two and Kirk Cousins complete seventy percent in
the clean pocket. That ain't the game. Kenny Pickett, Pittsburgh
drafted him. Give him a clean pocket for six years.
It's gonna complete sixty eight percent of his throws. But
the Steelers have a bad online. Now, let's like Derek Carr,
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if eight years later you can be a three time
pro bowler. He's a three time pro bowler with a
good seven years left. He better buy a gold jacket.
He's going to be given one, but he should just
get used to wearing it. And by the way, once again,
what does Derek Carr have this year? A new coach,
(17:21):
a new general manager. The division is now the toughest
in my lifetime, and I wouldn't be shocked if they've
made the playoffs. I may not predict it, but I
wouldn't be shocked. Shocked. Joey Taylor with the news, No,
no turn on the news, this is the herd line
news is that possibly going to make an appearance in
(17:42):
Calm was right, Colin was wrong. Later today have a
feeling leader in the clubhouse. Well, Darvdham has some work
to do to get the Lakers back to their winning
ways after a disappointment's last year, and he went on
All the Smoke podcasts and he was asked what fans
can spectrum the team this season, and his answer could
(18:03):
be seen as a potential warning to Russell Westbrook. He said,
We're going to be together, the most together team always
does well, always wins at the end of the day.
And accountability. We're gonna be tough, We're gonna be defensive minded.
That's the side of the ball where you're going to
see the quickest and most dramatic improvement. And we're going
to share offensively again. We want everybody all in on
what we're doing. We don't want anybody that's second guessing
(18:26):
being a laker or am I in the right place. Well,
Westbrook is not a very good defender and he's not
great at sharing the ball, so that, to your point,
does feel like a little bit of a this is
what we're going to be. I hope you will comply
with our demands. Well, this is what Darvin should say. Yes,
and he's right. The way that is how you get
(18:46):
better fast, correct. I mean, yes, that's not the defense
is easy. But defense is effort and energy and passion.
And also obviously you can be an incredibly skilled defensive player,
but you can't just automatically become a better shooter like
that is a side of the ball where you can
make an immediate impact if you come in with the
right mentalent. There are no if you look at the
(19:08):
end of the year, Joy, there were no bad defensive
teams left. In fact, Boston was rated one, Golden State two,
and when we watched that series at the end, we
thought Golden State may have been one in Boston two. Right, Right,
It's it's very important in this in today's game, which
for a long time we were like, oh, you're not
a defensive player. Or whatever you can get away with it.
Not anymore because there are so many complete teams, well
coached teams, teams with accountability and leadership and development. So
(19:32):
this is the right approach to have. And quite frankly,
if Russ doesn't want to buy into something as simple
as playing a little bit more defense and sharing the ball,
you got the wrong guy. Well it's just what is
the point, Like literally, what's the point to me? The
situation with the Lakers is very in Russell Westbrook is
very obvious. If I'm having that conversation, It's very simple.
(19:54):
What are the results? What were the results from what
you did last year? Not what Frank Vocal did. He's
not here anymore. Yeah, not the rest of the teammates did,
not what Anthony Davids did. What did you do that
produced winning results? Well, the end of the season was
a disaster, So you can't. If you are producing high
numbers and it's converting into wins and everyone's happy, and
(20:17):
you just had like a couple bad injuries at the
end of the year, then you can make that argument.
But the results matter. They matter, especially in a place
like Los Angeles where you do have one of the
most competitive sports markets in the country. Oh, it's star
driven teams outside of the Lakers. All good, It's I
think it is the most competitive right now. It's insane.
(20:37):
So you just can't accept mediocre. It's just it's not
going to work with this organization. And those asks of
Darvin are very simple and straightforward. I love this story.
So Alabama and Fanatics have agreed to a long term
partnership to enhance fan experience. It will be fanatics most
comprehensive college partnership. Gives them exclusive rights to Alabama's e commerce,
(20:59):
as well as additional rights across fan apparel, trading cards, NFTs,
and collectibles, and it will also allow for the creation
of student athletes name image, likeness merchandise interesting. It's great company.
They'll also have the first ever team retail store inside
Bryant Denny Stadium, which is expected to open this season.
(21:21):
So this will also give opportunities for student athletes to
do autograph signings to sell their own nil merchandise within
the store. This is really very organized, a huge company,
such a gigant, a billion dollar, multibillion dollar company. I
love this story. Obviously, Nick Saban was all over the
(21:41):
news this offseason about NIL. Alabama is probably the biggest
brands in college football. We'll see how this goes over
the next couple of years with the way that the
recruiting process is gone, but this is obviously a big
incentive for recruits to come to Alabama because this is
extremely organized and this is something that people who are
(22:01):
skeptics of NIL should look to as the standard for
how you can integrate what is a organization. A program
that has been at the top of the sport for
a very long time is trying to adjust to the
wild wild West. Brings in a company like Fanatics, which
is a huge, respected company who does great work make
it easy for the student athletes to sell their own
(22:21):
stuff for them. If they want to have an autograph signing,
you can do it right there in the store. Everything
is very organized, very upfront, and you can make money
off of it and everything will be documented. Yeah, not
a surprise that Nick Saban, who's the smartest guy that's
ever coach college football, was ahead. I mean, I have
my criticisms of Nick. Complaining about the competitive imbalance scares him.
(22:43):
I looked yesterday he has six the top fifteen draftable
players in the next raft that competitive balance is really
getting out of whack. He can make you say some
things that aren't very accurate sometimes, but this is I
think what the future of NIL is. Extremely organized, huge
companies partnering with student athlete's and providing them a very
straightforward way for them to make money off of their name, image, likeness,
(23:06):
literally their jerseys, game warn memorabile yea autograph signings. It's
very simple. So Kyler Murray, thank you Cardinals. Well, you
know we only want to talk about this for about
two months. Ye I know, this was a piece of cake.
Thank you. Yeah. Oh my god, I was so terrified
we're gonna have to do that again. That Dak Prescott
contract was insane. So five year, two hundred and thirty
(23:28):
point five million dollar extension last week. So he will
say with the Cardinals through the twenty twenty eight season,
and he is looking forward to trying to bring a
Super Bowl to Arizona. He said, nothing really changes. It's
a payday, yeah, but I'm most excited about getting back
on the field. My job is to fulfill my promise
and bring a championship here. There's no questions about it.
There's no other place I wanted to be this whole time,
and I mean that. Steve Kim also said he felt
(23:51):
that Murray and the team were satisfied with the deal
and that there were some team friendly things in there
that were important to Kyler. I think this is great. No,
I said it last week. I thought it was very
mahomes like and that the team feels like they can
still make moves. And this is not a knock at
Aaron Rodgers, but Aaron knew when he signed his deal
the Packers had no more money. This is really if
(24:14):
you look at the way it tears up, it's very
mahomes It's the Cardinals will be able to make as
long as they hit some draft picks. Kyler's responsibility, that's right,
They've got. That's why if you look at the Rams,
people talk about how much money they spend. They hit
on draft picks so they don't have to pay interior
linemen and tight ends much. So if Arizona can hit
(24:35):
on draft picks, they'll be able to go get free
agents for Kyler. I love it. I didn't one just selfishly.
I don't want to talk about someone's contract for years
on ends. Two, he has improved the team. I know
people argue about whether wins or quarterbacks or not better
every single year. He is the future of the organization.
This is a position you should want to have to pay. Yeah,
(24:58):
And if you can structure the contract with this particular
position in a way that gives you flexibility, that's the
best situation. Now you don't have to worry about it.
You got your guy focus on everything else. Yea. And
he is going to only improve as time goes on.
And now there isn't this looming cloud of is he
going to make his money? How much is it going
to be? Oh, the market's going up. Yeah, I love
this move for Arizona. Good stuff. Joey Taylor with the news.
(25:22):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by Thirdline News.
So a lot of NFL, a lot of football. Way
to go Alabama. That's a good deal. Every NFL camp
opens by tomorrow. Many are already open. That means today
July twenty fifth until February fourteenth. I looked it up.
That's two days after the Super Bowl. Seventy percent of
(25:44):
this show will be National Football League talk, and I'm
completely comfortable with it. If I was a talk show
host in Canada, seventy percent of the NHL season would
be hockey talk. If I was in the UK during
the English Premier League season, seventy percent of my talk
(26:05):
would be EPL talk. In the United States, ratings, what
we bet on, what we play, fantasy, what we watch,
I could probably go to ninety percent, but then I'd
feel like I was on the NFL network six and
a half months of rabid consumerism. I have always said,
(26:26):
you drive the show, you watch it, you bet it,
you love it. I talk it, and it's only grown
in my sportscasting career. It's pulled away from other leagues.
Why well, unlike baseball, the NFL is constantly evolving and adapting.
(26:46):
Unlike the NBA, it's simply more relatable. Load management, Give
me a break. Other sports, like hockey or MLS don't
have many recognizable stars. They feel niche. But you know
why football really crushes in this country because it's US.
It's windy and rainy. Get over it, Go to work.
(27:06):
I make good money. You're cut. Could happen to me tomorrow.
I'm hurt, I don't feel good. I'm sick. Get to work,
suck it up. That's the NFL. They play hurt, They
play lousy weather. Their employees with some limited power, even
though they're well compensated and they can be cut at
(27:27):
any time. There are no ten year contracts, even for
Tom Brady. Play hurt, play sick, play lousy weather. This
country's a hundred degrees almost everywhere, and there's construction sites booming,
men and women on top of those roofs in those buildings,
and a lot of them are sick. Get back to work.
It relates to us because it is us. I love
(27:50):
the NBA, I love the baseball playoffs. I love a
lot of sports. But my favorite part of the NFL
is how much it matters to the players watch the games.
I mean, these guys cry every Sunday one o'clock window
it's nuts. Bad teams Week fourteen. Joey knows her brother played.
(28:13):
I once asked Jason Taylor, a great player, I said,
at the end of your career, you know you had
to play hurt and very humble guy. He once told
me he could not feel his foot in the second
half of a game because he had to shoot it
up because his team had a very very small chance
to get into the playoffs. You're out for three weeks
(28:33):
in baseball. You'll take the month off in the NBA.
Look at how many people show up to practice. It's
not like spring training where there's actual games and two
teams practice. It's us. It speak to us, It speaks
to us. Excuse me. They play hurt, they play in
(28:54):
bad weather, they can be cut, they have limited power,
even though they're well compensated. It is relatable load management.
Come on, NBA, you're making thirty five large year. It's
Tuesday night. Just play, Just play baseball. I know you're
a little sore in your thumb. Just get in the
batter's box and hit. Can't wait six and a half months.
(29:17):
Seventy percent, I'm good. I'll talk about other stuff, but
it will dominate our show, and that's a good thing.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and New Easter ninety and Pacific. Hey, what's up everybody?
It's me three time pro bowler Le Warrington and I
couldn't be more excited to announce a new podcast called
(29:38):
Up on Game? What is up on Game? You asked,
along with my fellow pro bowler T J. Hushman Zada
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can only name a show with that type of talent
on it. Up on Game We're going to be sharing
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Out of and Plexico Birds on the iHeartRadio app, Apple
Podcast or wherever you get your podcast from. Well twenty
years of NFL scouting and front office experience, don't forget
Colin right, Colin wrong, top the next hour on a Monday.
(30:20):
He built that Buccaneers roster that won a Super Bowl
years ago. And Mark Dominic, my friend is now joining us,
a former NFL general manager. Hall of Fame games right
around the corner. It's less than two weeks away from
the Raiders Jags. It's nuts. So it was interesting watching
the reaction to the Kyler Murray deal. So even people
(30:42):
I respect that cover football for a living, a lot
of them were like, he's small, he gets hurt, he
mailed in the playoff game. There's a lot of social
media nonsense, and I get it. It's it's not Dak.
It's not you know, it's not Dak makes everybody comfortable, right,
He just says the right thing. But boy, I look
at this mark and I'm like, Arizona is irrelevant. Without him,
(31:05):
I would have made the deal. I would always pay
my quarterback early if I believe it. Where did you
land on it? Yeah? You know I was at the
point where the communication from the Kylin Murray's side and
the agent. Maybe you realize this deal was coming together
because it finally got quiet. People started to stop talking
about it through the public and started talking through it privately.
For the deal dynamics, it's interesting you know after year
(31:27):
three that quarterbacks are getting deals to this level. There's
no more discounts or doing a deal early. But you've
been through Josh Rosen there, you know what it's different.
Steve Kim drafted both guys and seeing the difference in
coach Kingsbury has been will work with Kyler and sees
here's a guy that's completing seventy percent of his passes.
He can run if he wants to run, he can
throw if he needs to throw. He can certainly do
so many things. So I get it. I get while
(31:49):
the deal's done. You know, I always am a believer
and take it a little more pausitive You're not sure,
but I think you see him every day in practice.
You see the dynamic ability of them. Yeah, did you
want more out of the postseason? Yeah? Do you still
wonder about leadership? Maybe a hint, But to know you've
got your guy wrapped up calling, I think is a
good thing. Yeah, you drive to work every day. That
part set. Let's build around him. So I liked it.
(32:09):
So you were very critical of the Niners giving away
three number ones for Trey Lance. I remember that you
didn't love it. So I have now three different sources
that have said that have told me this offseason they
liked Trey, but the accuracy thing is practice to practice
(32:31):
day to day, and they are a little uneasy with it.
So it looks like they're trying to move Garoppolo. Okay,
so they're gonna give it to Trey, which I think
is the right move. You got to figure out if
he can play. But what do you make of There's
been a lot of chatter, a lot of talk. We
still don't know. Last year Mark he wasn't very accurate.
(32:53):
What do you make of all of it today? Well,
I mean it is what it is. They made their
bed in San Francisco, and said, hey, we're giving up
ones when you could get any quarterback in the league
almost for three number ones. Obviously, the Cleveland Browns went
for Deshaun Watson, who's approven commodity. Here you went for
Trey Lance, and even when you made the trade, you
weren't quite sure which quarterback he went Right Now, I
went back to the lab and started watching all the
other quarterbacks who do we like? And they picked trade.
(33:16):
The thing that made you nervous about trade now or
in that situation, why I wasn't a big fan of it.
He's never really faced a real adversity kind of situation.
He was great in college, never threw any interceptions, knew
what to do. Now he's in the National Football League
and he's going to a team that's expected to be
a playoff contender, and accuracy is a tricky thing. Now,
we all saw Josh Allen. He became much more accurate
(33:36):
and quarterback. And so I'm always a little bit more
hesitant of like banning or bashing a guy. And I
love Kyle Shanahan's system on offense, but he can't have
a lot of bad starts. He can't stack one, two,
three bad starts. In a row or this season will
fall apart real quick, and you're looking at five and
twelve in San Francisco. So I bought at you know,
I'm starting to read get in my fantasy football all
(33:59):
my football MAGA scenes as I flew home yesterday. So
I'm just going through it. I am. I'm not shocked,
but I'm surprised, and a lot of people who are like,
I don't know if Russell's gonna work in Denver, and
I think, well, I've seen it twice. It's called Brady
and Tampa and Stafford in Los Angeles. Where the roster's good,
(34:22):
they need a catalyst, and I think Russell is a catalyst.
But there are a lot of doubters on him, even
people I like Greg ko Sell watch his films like
he runs himself out of a lot of successful plays. Well,
I don't know if I've ever asked you this Russell.
Has he declined or was it Seattle's mass? What do
you make of him in Denver? Well, I love Russell Wilson. Still,
(34:46):
I think the guy's a winner. I've talked to players
within the organization. I've talked to a couple of coaches
on the staff, A couple of fun office people. He's
changed the feeling of that it's his team, and he's
made it very well known in terms of what he
wants out of the football team, what he wants out
of each practice, and what are the ones I need
each play. I think there's a lot of confidence in
Denver right now. I'm a huge believer, Like I'm going
to keep the Chiefs as the top just because they've
(35:06):
been there and they've earned that right. But I've got
Denver coming in saying we can take over this division.
But I haven't them to come in in number two
and they could be a playoff spoiler for anybody. I
think Russell still has it, you know. I think John Steiner,
who had him in Seattle all those years at the gym,
loved Russell Wilson, but solid that whole organization, that whole
roster has got to complete turnover to turn around, and
for them to move Russell Wilson had to be a
(35:28):
very difficult decision. But I think he is one of
those guys that changes overnight. Like I think this Denver
team gets up two more wins. I think they're eleven
and five or eleven and six type of football team.
I think they make the postseason and you don't want
to play him. I'm a huge believer in this move.
All right, Belichick has been so successful. Who am I
to doubt him? But the idea of going into a
(35:48):
season with no offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator, I'm like,
is he think he's too smart for the room? I mean,
just from the outside, what am I supposed to make
of that? It's such a Belichick thing to do, right,
just to kind of enigma and not answer anything onto
Cincinnati whatever it is. You know, it's always that kind
(36:08):
of a moment. Here's the thing. You think it's a
political or it's a political way to move around the
football team and say who's going to call the plays?
How do we prepare? Because that's what you're thinking as
a defensive coordinator. All this offseason, you would be watching
tape of who the offensive coordinators for the Patriots and
say how do they call games? And kind of get
a sense of how they call games because you've had months.
Belichick's like, hey, why give anybody that choo to three
(36:30):
month advantage and sit there and watch how you call
a game and kind of get a sense of what
they do because That's what good coordinators do, is they
get a feel for the flow. Now, you don't really
know who to choose, even though you're going to know
in a couple of weeks, because we're all going to
see them in the preseason and somebody's gonna be sitting
there calling the plays in But I guarantee you this,
they know internally, there's no way mac Jones is trying
to work through two different play callers right now in
his second year in the NFL. They know internally. All
(36:52):
Belichick tried to do here was not let defensive coordinators
study the habits of the play caller, and that is
actually a competitive advantage that of course the Patriots figure out. Yeah,
by the way, their schedule is brutal late, but it's
favorable early in the year, and maybe Belichick sees that
I've not heard it put that way. Finally, you know, Tampa, well,
(37:13):
you built them. It's an offensive league. They moved to
a defensive coach. It feels like Brady's last year. Fournette
comes in out of shape, Bronk's not there. You know,
Brady last year complained about you know, once we won
the title, the focus wasn't quite there. What do you
make of them this year, Colin. I think they're still
(37:33):
going to be really good, although I think the Saints
are going to push to get a playoff team just
because of how explosive they're going to be offensively. I
think Tampa's gonna be too good to catch. And I
don't think there's anything really wrong with the team. I
think they still need a veteran presence in their secondary,
just somebody to kind of be there if if something
starts to break down. They had a lot of injuries
in that position last year. I like this team a lot,
you know, with Russell Gage being and there, Chris Godwin
(37:55):
will be back on that football field probably whatever it is.
Weeks six, weeks eight, and then you Addam Mike Evans.
You still got three great wide receivers. You still at
Cameron Brady is a good player. Yeah, Leonard Fournette might
be a little out of shape. He'll work that off.
It's called training camp. It's what you're gonna do. It's
what he'll do. And Tom's still tremendously good. And then
you know they made the shift with losing Alice Kappa,
allam Our pet retires, but then they go get Shack Mason,
(38:18):
who's better than those two players. And so I like
what Tampa's done this offseason. I think Jason Light's got
them primed, and I don't think seeing the coaching change.
I think it's actually a good thing for this football
team because I have a feeling there's a lot of
excitement for that entire team in Todd Bowls to be
able to show that he could be a great coach
in the National Football League. So Tampa's gonna repeat the
(38:38):
Division championship, but they're gonna have a battle through Dallas.
I think to go to the Super Bowl. Good stuff.
Mark Dominic, former NFL GM. Great seeing you Hall of
Fame games around the corner. Thanks Mark, you bet Colin,
thanks for having me on. It's a really interesting point.
I had it. I hadn't thought about this. If you
look at the Patriots schedule, it's crazy, asked. I believe
(39:01):
it's seven or eight games. It's the hardest schedule in
the league. It's just Pro Bowl quarterback, Pro Bowl Quarterback,
Pro Bowl quarterback. Wild they face eight Look at the
Patriots last eight games. Joy. Okay, So let's go one
to three, four, five, six, last seven at the Vikings
offense Buffalo at Arizona's offense at the raiders offense Joey
(39:21):
Burrow Miami's new offense at Buffalo. That is brutal. So
to Mark's point, does Belichick look at that schedule and say,
we gotta go seven and one? We gotta win games early?
Which has never been Belichick's fourte Belichick has always been
the September experimenter. I think Bill looks at that and thinks,
I'm gonna quarterback this advantage eight weeks in a row.
(39:44):
I gotta win early. And to Mark's point, the element
of surprise, you don't know what we're gonna do that
opening those opening two games at Miami and at Pittsburgh,
you go oh and two in those that season is
you are done in at the vision you are seriously,
that is that last eight weeks that's insane. You face
(40:05):
Kirk Cousins, Josh Allen, Kyler, Murray, Derek Carr, Joe Burrow,
you get two at home, that's the break with all
new weapons, and at Josh Allen. Their first four games
are not that easy. No, not easy. But I do
I do think Bills looks at that schedule and thought,
we gotta start quick and maybe to Mark's point, element
of surprise steals a couple of w's in September and
(40:27):
we have a shot. Wow, all right, Colin right, Colin wrong,
top of our number two on a Monday. We've got
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