January 22, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin is tired of everyone continuing to blame the refs for the Chiefs win over the Texans and breaks down why the refs didn't impact the outcome
Thoughts on the Bears hiring Ben Johnson as their next head coach
He talks to 7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady about Commanders quarterback Jayden Daniels and what makes him so special as a rookie leading his team to the NFC Championship Game
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. So, Jamack,
I was thinking about this. I do not watch games
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with fans. Now infrequently, you and I'll go, I'll go
to my place in Manhattan Beach and I'll watch a
game that doesn't really matter, a fun what I would
call a fun game. I haven't bet it, it doesn't
It may not be on the show. So it's a
Friday Saturday game. But generally, I don't like to watch
professional sports with other people that aren't in my business
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because they always blame the refs. Even my reasonable smart friends,
they always blame the refs.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So the Kansas City Chiefs are twenty two and two
in their last twenty four and even jamac, a hardened journalist,
believes it's luck, it's rigged. It's the officials. And so
what has always been remarkable to me, And I'm not
a snob on this stuff. I just get worn down
by fans and friends. It's always the refs. So Kansas
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City now is the target of all this stuff. And
you'll hear from Patrick Mahomes in about three minutes. But
I'll give you an example. Fans will be tough on
the officials. They want perfection, but yet they let their
coach and their players off the hook all the time.
So let's go to Sunday's games. So let's just go
to this Houston game where everybody thought it was the refs.
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It is fourth and ten at this moment, it's the
biggest possession of the game for the Houston Texans. They
are scrambling to get the play in and here's the call. Yeah,
this is too big of a play.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I think can eat call time.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Out, but they snapped it.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Blitz again Stroud in trouble. Ploftus is there, Kansas City
bar complete Mayheim. You think you're gonna beat Andy Reid
in a bye and you can't get that buttoned up.
But Tamiko Ryans after said these officials, that was us
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against the world. Now, Kansas City didn't score on that. Now,
let's go back to the first quarter. We'll reverse it.
Let's go back to the first quarter. Remember, the NFL
has instructed its officials call roughing on plays like this,
and at first glance, it looked like roughing. It's not challengeable.
So there's that play and everybody think that is not right. Well,
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on that play, it did give them a first down.
I'll admit that. But on the very next play, Travis Kelcey,
the best time end in football for six seven years
is for one of four times on the day left
wide open. You may want to cover him. I mean,
Kansas City doesn't have a lethal receiving corps. They don't
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throw to their backs that much. That's the one guy
you have to cover. You didn't. He was seventy percent
of the offense. Xavier Worthy's more of a gadget guy.
Rashi Rice is out. It's musical chairs at wide receiver.
Noah Gray's not beating anybody down the field. You had
one guy to cover if you left them open all game.
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Let's go back even further to the opening kickoff. You
basically gave the Chiefs a three to nothing lead at
arrowhead off a buye, and to make it worse than
giving up a sixty three yard kick, you had an
unsportsman like penalty and a player shoving a coach. So
you go on the road, you shove a coach, a
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disastrous special teams performance, You miss two field goals, that's
six points. You miss a pat that's one point. You
give up a field goal in the opening kick because
of that nonsense, that's ten points. You lost by nine.
And you also on several occasions did not cover the
only really Hall of Fame level weapon Kansas City has
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Old Rickety, Travis Kelcey. And you're blaming the refs on
a go either way call with Will Anderson and Patrick Mahomes,
which I said yesterday on first glance, I was like, oh,
that's that. And the referees it's not challengeable. They don't
get slow mo, they don't get a replay. They got
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to call what they see. So again you demand that
the officials are perfect and they're instructed to make certain
calls and they're not challengeable calls. But you gave up
on special teams, you gave up ten points and you
lost by nine, and that gets lost over. Patrick Mahomes
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was talking about what it's like to be the chiefs
now in this constant talk about officials and working the system.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
And obviously I've been on both sides of it as
far as how I felt the calls were made. But
at the end of the day, man, those guys are
doing doing their best to make the best calls and
keep it toward the players and making the plays in
the game. And that's what besides the outcome. And obviously
there was a call here or there that people didn't
agree with, but at the same time, I think there
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was a lot of other plays that really decided to
outcome of that football game.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yes, there were. I've said this to NBA fans because
for years and years NBA fans were relentless, mostly because
the Lakers attracted better players. They had Shack and Kobe.
That's the way it works, and I always said this,
whenever you want to complain as an NBA fan, ask
yourself two questions. How many free throws did you miss?
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How many free throws did your team miss? Oh nine?
You can't hit free throws as a professional basketball player.
And how many turnovers do you have? And if the
combination is like sixteen to eighteen mistakes, the refs get
one occasionally two. All right, So I do not believe
in curses, UFOs, ghosts. Yeah, I don't believe any of
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that stuff. Sorry, but I said this this morning to
the staff. If Ben Johnson and the Bears don't work,
I'm pouring my entire net worth into bitcoin. I think
it's going to work. Now, there are so many things.
This is not the Jets, this is not Carolina. This
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should work. And here's the new guy they hired. It's
Ben Johnson, full of energy, full of spirit. He talked yesterday.
Here it is all right, Bears Nation.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
You ready to go beyond fired up to be here?
This is exciting times. Cannot wait to get to work.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Bear down baby, okay, sharp offensive coach known for maximizing
offensive personnel, and the Bears have weapons. Just left a
great culture so he can cherry pick some stuff. He
had proximity to a great culture in a rebuild, right
like he wasn't in a dynasty. He was in a
bad franchise that built up from the ground floor. So
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this is literally he's taking the job, and he just
worked through a four and five year cycle of what
he wants to do. He can steal stuff from there.
The Bears have good assets. They have sixty six million
dollars in cap space, that's top five. They have a
dynamic rookie quarterback who has four years he's basically free.
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And oh, by the way, you have three in the
top forty one because you have an extra second, you
have interesting weapons. This is not the Panther's job. This
is not the Patriots job with Gerrod Mayo. That's not
what this is. So I don't know if Ben Johnson
can turn it around. I don't know if he's Bobby
Flay or Sean McVay. But he's got a full pantry
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in a great kitchen. And if you go look, what
really is true is that if you just look at
the two teams that were in worse shape than Chicago
Washington this year, I mean, Washington's roster coming into the
season is significantly lower PFF than Chicago's. That Ben Johnson
will get and he's got He's got six seven draft
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picks to add and free agents, and Houston was a
laughing stop ownership down. And they both gave you blueprints.
For instance, Washington fixed the offensive line. Then they brought
in like smart, savvy veterans Bobby Wagner, Zach Ertz, Marcus Mariota.
So you don't even have to if you're Ben Johnson,
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you don't even have to be original. You can just
steal what Washington did? You have a mobile quarterback? Your
O line needs upgrading, Go add sprinkle in a couple
savvy veterans, stir, put it in the oven, let it bake,
and it should work. So now now in the first moves,
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he hired Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator. I like
Dennis Allen as a DC, not a head coach. He's
gonna bring reportedly as the offensive coordinator, the guy Hank
Fraley that built that offensive line. I like that move.
So there's a there's like eight reasons this should work.
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You don't even have to be original, just copy Washington.
And I feel like I won't be watching a football team.
I'll be watching an exorcism. Can they exercise their quarterback
and offensive demons? Because when you look at this, this
is a way better situation than Washington had, in a
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way better situation than Houston had. We hated Houston's roster
two years ago, and Ben Johnson doesn't even get a rookie.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Stride was a rookie for Demico Ryans. I mean, Caleb
has already been in the league. So take a deep breath.
But people ask me, you think it'll work, and I'm like, yeah,
I think it will work. I think it will work.
But this is not Remember most people thought if you
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would have had a younger, more current, richer owner, most
people thought this was viewed as the best job available,
despite their politics and potholes. So I'm looking at Dennis Allen,
I'm looking at this. I'm looking at cap space. I'm
looking at you can use Washington with a mobile quarterback
and all new people as an example. They're gonna bring
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the Lions, oh coach to be the OC. Like, this
should work. I'm very excited it should work. Here was
is it? Ben Johnson introducing himself to Chicago? We already
showed that video, right, we already showed that one. Okay,
So J Mack, you're looking at me kind of smiling.
I'm not trying to be overly optimistic, but I also
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don't want to be cynical because it does stack up.
There's a lot of stuff here. I mean, the big
knock is we don't know if it's the right GM.
We also don't know if it's the wrong one.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I don't know much about Ben Johnson.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I'd really never heard him say much outside of that video,
so I wonder it was a little rigid. And I'm
not being too critical here, but you know how when
you like meet a girl and you think there's some
major potential and she's like, you want to go salsa dancing,
and you're like, of course not. Oh sure, yeah, let's
go salsa dancing. That, to me is what Ben Johnson
felt like there where he's like, all right, bear down,
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let's go. Well, he looks like a quiet reserve, got
a cotton dock on the weekend kind of guy. Okay,
who's buttoned up. And I don't know if that looked
like the real Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, let me just say this. I do to your point,
he is not McVeigh, right, but I will tell you
I think he could be Matt Lafleur. So when Matt
Lafleur got the job in Green Bay. I made two
calls to Tennessee. I said, what are they getting and
they said, well, he hasn't shown that he can walk
in and be a leader of men. He can be
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kind of quiet, kind of cerebral. The knock on him is, oh,
he's going to Green Bay and it's Aaron Rodgers. Is
he going to get overpowered? So he was not. By
the way, Shanahan's not a big personality there. He's not.
Zach Taylor's not. He's been to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Mike McDaniel's definitely.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Mike McDaniels is not. He's quirky. Matt Lafleur Isn't. You
look at McVeigh and you're like, well, Sean is the
whole package. Okay. That is like comparing quarterbacks to mahomes.
If you can be ninety three percent of mahomes, you're
a seven time Pro bowler. Like if Jaden Daniels you
said today is ninety percent of mahomes, that means he'll
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win a Super Bowl or two. Because Patrick may win
six and he's gonna be a thirteen time Pro bowler
and Patrick will be eighteen times. So my take is,
don't look at McVeigh. I would look at Matt Lafleur,
who was a bit reticent, not a huge personality kind of.
I think what I hear about Ben very cerebral, very bright.
Now now we don't want him to beat Adam Gaze,
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who really was tipped.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
On the a little.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Obscure, a little out there. But I think my take
is best case scenario, and what I've heard over the
last three days, there's some Matt Lafleur here.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That means big win. Colin breaking news.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
The Buffalo Bills were just flagged fifteen yards for hitting
Patrick Mahomes and.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
The game so five days away.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Just wanted to put that on your radar, an early
flag on the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
See, I'm not going to watch games with you anymore.
If this is what it is, You're the last guy
I watched games.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I sit on my couch all weekend and just write
down notes for games. Because you've done this before, like
the Kansas City's gotten into Laker territory, like Kobe and Shack.
So I used to say this all We got Tom
Brady here pretty quick, but I used to say this
all the time about Shaq. If you went to a
Laker game and watched how often Shaq was fouled and
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it wasn't called. But if you watched on TV, you
thought Shaq was fouling everybody. You had to go to
a Laker game, sit there and watch Shack get mugged
for two and a half hours.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
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Speaker 1 (14:44):
Twenty million dollar Championship roster will only lead to more spending.
And my take was, I hope so I was one
of the best offenses I've ever seen in college football.
They got their worth out of their money. Ohio is
not a rich state. Columbus is not a flashy town.
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It's a lot of office parks, insurance companies, chain restaurants.
But they look rich in college football because they care.
Same for Alabama, small state, very little money, they always
find it for college football. KU basketball. Do you think
of Lawrence, Kansas as well? Healed, No, It's ingrained in
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their history. There's a lot of there's a lot of
teams in New York, LA and Chicago that don't win
because they don't care as much. But colin this new
college football, how will the little guy compete? Oh my bad?
I lost count of all the Natties per due ad
before the NIL existed, the little guy never won. I mean,
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we've had one little guy ever win since they expanded
sixty eight games in college basketball's March Madness, one little guy.
Little guys are cute stories that get bounced after a
couple surprising wins. Yes, the NIL you need guard rails.
The NFL is tweaking stuff every year. Baseball made just
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two tweaks recently. Both worked. They'll be tweaks to this,
But I gotta be honest with you, with very few exceptions.
Maybe Oregon the same teams I grew up loving and
they dominated college football. They dominate it now. Michigan, Alabama,
Ohio State, Georgia was always good. Penn State was independent
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but great, Notre Dame. Oregon's the new kid on the
block thanks to Phil Knight's money. There's most of the
same teams. I mean, as Cincinnati Bearcats weren't winninaties then,
are not winning them now. I guess Michigan State was
probably more viable in the thirties and forties than now
Army and Navy. But the playoff's going to be expanded
to fourteen teams, maybe sixteen, So at least a little
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guy now gets an invite to the party. In the
previous decade, only fifteen teams even made the playoffs. Joel
Klatt on NIL and how the landscape has changed in
college football.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
It's the biggest largest living alumni base in college sports
is the Big Ten alumni base, and so that is
that is a big deal in this era where fans
can have more of an immediate impact through their donations
to NIL.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yes, and and and not the Pac twelve it's dissolved.
Not the ACC and not the Big twelve. Are Mountain West.
The two conferences in my life who have had the
biggest stadiums and filled them the most, the SEC and
the Big Ten. As the world changed, ended up on top.
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That's exactly how it should be. Would He Haze has
won titles at Ohio State, Jim Tressel and Urban. And
the coaches that fail at Ohio State they win like
ten or eleven games, John Cooper, they can't beat Michigan
enough and they get shown the door. Nothing's really changed,
just more people now get invited to the party. J
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Mack with the news.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
All right, let's get started with the Philadelphia Eagles and
the status of Jalen Hurts. He hurt his knee against
the Rams. He was able to finish the game, didn't
look very mobible. Offensive coordinator Kellen Moore says he isn't
changing his play calling strategy against the Commanders.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Same game plan formula. Obviously, like any players on our team,
if you have to make adjustments this week's progress or
games progress, you do, but very similar planning. That stuff's
always going to lean on the medical and the player. Obviously,
those guys go through their process and it's just communicated
from them to the coaching staff and so play conversations.
Week progresses, there's hey, it's you know mid to late
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chan where there's a lot of guys that are banged up.
So have just to do with Jalen. You know, there's
playing guys that are going through stuff, and you know
that's how these weeks are.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I would argue that justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts, I'm
never sure if they're one hundred percent healthy. I mean,
like Jalen Hurts to me as always because of his
running style and what the tush push and the running style.
I never feel he's one hundred percent and so I
don't think it changes it. I do. I have changed
my mind. I think the Commanders cover. I think it's
going to be closer. The more you reach into it,
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the more I think they can compete. But my take
is Jalen's been banged up a lot of his career.
Just the style. I mean, he's one of the only quarterbacks.
A lot of these quarterbacks tried tush push twice three
times they got hurt. McDaniel Jones, did I think, Yeah,
So I think I just think Jalen hurts. I've we've
done this story. I feel like ten times since he
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came into the league he's banged up for a game.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I mean concussion and now this knee injury.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
I broke down this game with a pro gambler on
my podcast, and the Washington Commanders play a lot of
man demand one of the highest rates in the league.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
You know what that means. A j Brown, he annihilates
Vanda Mann.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Who you gonna put on Marshon Lattimore or the rookie
from Michigan, who had two picks against Detroit Sanristo like
AJ Brown's gonna eat those guys up and the cornerback
then turn their backs to Hurts, who can run, assuming
he's healthy. Colin, I'm not sure I see what you're
seeing Washington defensively.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Let me throw this out. We looked at the Rams
on a short week with one weapon on the perimeter,
and Eagles have two great corners, but one got hurt.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Mitchell left with that was a big loss.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
A rookie six round center for the Rams against Jalen
Carter snow game for Matt Stafford. I mean, it really
looked like one of the easiest bets of the year.
And Matt Stafford completes the ball to Puka Nakua down
the sideline, and you and I are texting, going, oh
my god, the Eagles let you back in the games
they I'm tired of hearing people say, and I'm beg guilty.
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The Eagles didn't play well. Now, this is what they
are every Sunday against good team. They leave you so
many opportunities, not always to win, but to keep it close.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Well, you mentioned interior offensive line for the Rams.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Washington lost one of their great offensive linemens Cosmy. Yeah,
their best offensive lineman on the inside, Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Gonna eat again. It could get ugly. Next up, Colin,
how about your guy? Lebron James last night a historic
triple double.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Twenty one to ten and thirteen.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Became the oldest player to record a twenty point triple double.
Second player forty year older to record a trip dub
I mean the guy's incredible. Lakers beat the hapless and
I do mean hapless Washington Wizards. The oldest triple double
belongs to Carl the Mailman Malone.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Lebron, I mean.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
This list is unbelievable. He has so many triple doubles
over the age of thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
No basketball player has ever done more things well than Lebron.
He is not the one on one scoring monster of
Michael Jordan. He's not the low block tear of shacker
Tim Duncan. But in terms of I always said, he's
much closer to Magic than he is Michael. But he's
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a much better defender, and he's a much bigger, stronger
physical presence than Magic. But there's more magic than Michael,
and Magic could score forty two in the finals if
you needed him at center, or he could score twelve
and have seventeen assists, Magic could do whatever you needed.
Lebron's the better score than Magic, but his game has
always been more magic than Michael. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
I mean essentially, you know, Lebron and our guest here
in five minutes, Tom Brady, are the case for Hey,
why can't you just play into your late thirties or
early forties.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I mean, what Lebron did is doing and what Brady.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Did just incredible for these guys at their age to
continue to dominate at the highest level. Colin final story
quickly is that there are reports that saying Mike vrabel
is going to land Josh McDaniels back in New England.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
As the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
This is the third time McDaniels has had the job.
They have never coached together Rabela McDaniel's, but they have
a connection due to obviously the Belichick Brady era in
New England.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I am a lot of times not for getting the
band back together. I am here right now. It's kind
of a little bit of a broken franchise, but they
have it's not it's not broken, but you got craft
and you have Drake May. So there's there's building blocks here,
but they've lost their way as a franchise. I love
both these moves. This is one of the least talented
rosses in the league, Colin, It is the least talented roster,
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which is why they can trade down. It's not a
great draft, but it's a fairly deep draft at places
they need offensive line and running back. They need those
two even more than receiver.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
And it was okay, they have no receivers, Colin for Drake.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
May, nobody who's on they need.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
This draft provides O line, receiver, and running back draft.
It's a great draft.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
For those Are you sticking with these guys going to Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Going to the playoffs. I applied for a playoff tickets
this morning. E I'm telling you this is my Washington
and my rams the year before.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
I'm going to go out on a limitar my team
to make the playoffs that missed it, Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I got Joe'll swing there. Jmckle the news.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Heard Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
All right, Well take a break, Tom Brady, We'll be
joining us live next.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
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Speaker 6 (25:32):
On the line as rookie sensation Jayden Daniels leaves Washington
against sikuon Barkley, Jalen Hurts and the Eagles. Pregame coverage
starts at one pm Eastern with kickoff at three.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Only on five. Well, yeah, I'm eternally grateful that I
get a broadcast for a living and watch sports and
take notes and have fun. But it's also been great
that I get Tom Brady on a regular basis. He
is joining us to a live now, all I gotta
start with this. Everything I read on the internet Tom
is true, and it breaks my heart that we only
(26:05):
got to work a year together. You're already leaving, so
it's really hard for me. I swear to God, the
interweb has you. I don't know where you're going, but
you're leaving. Would you address that please?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It's hard for me too. I thought it was a
great run, you know, one solid year, so you know
there's time for new things. And I figured, you know,
this has been totally mastered to this point. Yeah, I
don't know where it comes from. I know it always
says sources close to Brady or whatever. But I've had
the best time at Fox, and I've loved every time
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going into the booth and working with such great people,
starting with my partner Kevin, everyone in our crew, Ze Russ, Aaron,
Tom who you know everyone would probably know a little
bit about, but behind the scenes, there's so many incredible
people that bring the NFL to life and to see
kind of how it is from a different perspective, you know,
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I've had so many years, twenty three years play on
the field, I've watched so many games from from you know,
the sideline, sideline view, and now I'm sitting up there
in the booth and seeing it from a different perspective,
and I've I've I've loved kind of just the whole
process and diving into all these different teams. It's been
a lot of growth for me in one year, and
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I really can't see can't wait to see what it
looks like in year or two and and way beyond
that too. So I got nine years left on my
deal and maybe longer. You never know. If Fox wants me,
then I want to go. We'll just keep going because
it's been it's been really fun thus far.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I think sources close to Brady or your kids, and
my guess is they're not leaking stuff to the internet.
So okay, So all right, let's get into the Raiders stuff.
So they need a coach again, there's a lot of
talk about who the coach. They need a general manager.
So you were a rookie broadcaster, you're now a rookie
part of an ownership group. Kind of give me what
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does this entail?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Great point, you know, being a rookie too, you got
to almost go back to what your roots are as
a rookie and remember that when you are a rookie
year trying to learn as much as you can. And
when I was a rookie as a quarterback, I really
just kind of engulfed myself in the playbook and listen
to a lot of the veterans, and this is how
you're going to go about it, Tom, this is how
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you're going to be the best possible player you can be.
And then you realize that many years later, ten years later,
I started to actually perform the way that I thought
I was capable of performing. So I wish I could
have played football my entire life, but that kind of
you know, twenty three years was long enough. I got
tired of really taking the hits that I wanted to spend,
you know, as much time as I could with the kids.
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So really being involved with the Raiders gives me an
opportunity to be involved with football for the rest of
my life. And I really love teamwork. I always have.
I love seeing other people succeed. I really hope other
players get former players get opportunities to be involved with teams,
and right now I've got there's a great ownership group,
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there's other great people involved. On one voice. It's so collaborative.
But I think this process of learning is is so important.
So that's kind of where it's at.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
So I want to ask you about Ben Johnson. So
this is interesting to me. So everybody says, and I
think I fall into this, Hey he got an offensive coach,
and you think immediately that's great, but you didn't. And
in fact, Belichick let you and Josh kind of go
behind the curtain and he let you do your thing,
which I love that. That's cool, Like, hey, you're into it, Josh.
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If you get an offensive coach, Look, here's what I.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Think when you look at these go ahead, sorry Colin
a second delay, But I think that it's there's such
a jigsaw puzzle when you look at a lot of
different organizations and whether football organizations are basketball, baseball. I
think it's a collective group of people and you've got
to figure out that puzzle of what exactly fits. If
you do have a defensive head coach, you know, like
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Bill Was, Bill was a great manager, and Bill did
a great job coach in the coaches and he had
high expectations. I think he had backgrounded offense, so he
didn't necessarily probably throw all his ideas out there, but
he did have a general understanding of how we should
perform on offense and he had expectations for that. Bill Was,
I thought, one of the greatest special teams coaches ever
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in the history of the NFL, and obviously the greatest
defensive coordinator probably in the history of the NFL. So
I think when you look at all the different roles
that he played in the organization that I was successful in,
he did more than just coach. He was a great
kind of added beneficiary or added great benefit to the
defensive staff. He was a great listening and is about
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to listen to what we're doing offensively. He could provide
insight to that. There was a lot of things he
added to our clubs. So this whole puzzle with the
offense coach defensive coach, I just it should be about
great people doing great things, working collaboratively, being humble, learning
every year. In the same way that you said earlier
to me, you're always trying to up your game every year.
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I feel like that's what I always try to do
as a player, and I don't see that's any different
in football or in business. Everybody should always be looking
to improve and understanding where their weaknesses are, how to
improve their weaknesses and then continue to build on their strengths.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
You watched a lot of Caleb Williams. If there was
one thing that you want him to improve on that
Ben Jonson can zero in on and you got a
lot of snaps. Is there one thing you'd say, hey, Caleb,
this is the one thing I want you to work on.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I think it's always you know, there's well I would
say this for any player, and Caleb in particularly as
a young player, there's a lot of room for growth. Obviously,
it's really up to him to decide where he wants
to spend his time and energy to become the player
that he wants to be. And I believe that there's
three parts that make up great players, the physical, the mental, emotional.
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We all have deficiencies. None of are fur pick players.
Maybe the only perfect players I played against was Ed Reid,
ray Lewis, Jason Taylor. Those guys were perfect in my opinion,
but they had so many things figured out. I, let's say,
at one point, was physically probably not where I wanted
to be. Mentally emotional, I was always very good. I
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had a great understanding of the tactics. I could bring
a competitive desire to practice every single day to get
the most out of my teammates. Where I needed to
prove was physically. How do I become a better pocket passer?
How do I improve the footwork in my pocket? How
can I become more durable? How can I be a
little bit more stronger in the pocket. When those things
caught up to what I was doing mentally and emotionally,
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I became the type of player that I wanted to be.
Some guys are really blessed physically, so they don't have
to work on necessarily the mental emotional as much.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
So.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I think you always have to have an understanding if
you want to reach your true potential. It's about mac
sigizing all three of those things. I went and spoke
to the Notre Dame football team before they were in
the Orange season, before they won the Orange Bowl. I
talked about those exact same things. I talk to any
player who comes up and talks to me, whether it's
other quarterbacks on other teams, whether it's college teams. You
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know they're always seeking my advice, and I tell them
the same thing. You have to have a self awareness
about who you are, where you want to go, and
then work hard at the things where you're deficient and
while still understanding what your strengths are and build on those.
But this is a this is a full time job
to be an NFL player. This is I woke up
in the morning brushing my teeth in the morning thinking
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about my throwing mechanics. If I just get my left
shoulder looking in the mirror of you, That's that's how
I thought about it, and I think that's why I
was able to have such a productive career over a
long period of time.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Jaden Daniels is obviously gifted. He moves well, he's accurate
when you watch him from upstairs. What is the one
thing that surprises you about Jaden Daniels as a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I think when you deal with most rookie quarterbacks, and
I think what I saw in this Detroit game is
when they most defensive coaches. Now, it's just like, let's
put pressure on him, let's get to the middle of
the pocket. Let's send blitzers. He won't see him, he
won't have a full understanding of protections or where his
great one on one matchups are. Jaden looks and I
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know this for a fact. He is a tremendous work ethic.
Everybody speaks about his ability to work hard. He's in
the playbook, you know, after he gets drafted in the offseason,
he's trying to understand what the coaches are going to
ask him. And then you see how it's reflected in
his rookie season. One of the great rookie seasons any
quarterbacks ever had. And he's got a great connection with
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his players. He has the physical tools and he's a
very humble kid. How that reflects and when I watch
him play, he has tremendous poison in the pocket. He's
calm under the ca being an NFL quarterback there blitzing him.
The other night the Lions, where he's standing in the
pocket waiting the very last second a lot like you
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know Patrick does in so many ways, and then delivers
the ball accurately to his receivers instride and they make
big plays. So that's I think a little bit about
what's in store for him as he continues to develop
in his future, his poise, confidence in himself. Some players
need production to become confident. Some people become confident before
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they have any production. That's a great trait to have
as an athlete. Before you walk on the field, you're confident.
You don't need to complete your first five passes to
become confident. And I think that's what I see in
a young Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Take out Gronk and the Patriots weren't known as personality.
Plus Felichick muted some of that, or or players self
muted that, knowing Bill didn't like it. And then there's
the Philadelphia Eagles. It's ego. Now Barkley Saquan is very
patriot like Jalen Hurts, a little bit, but it's a
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big personality. The coach is barking at fans. How does
it work in Philadelphia because it's the opposite of your dynasty.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Sure, I think they do things very uniquely, But Howie
Roseman's done an incredible job assembling that team. I think
he's a guy that lives in breathes football every single day.
When you think about being tough, you think about the
offensive line and running the football, and the defensive line
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and their ability to stop the run. And you're right,
they do have some personalities. But when I look at
Jordan my Alatta, when I look at Lane Johnson and
Dickerson and Jurgens and Makai Beckton coming in there, the
strength of that team is their offensive line and Saquon
and they're just tremendous. That dominating force they have up
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front is absolutely incredible. And in the defensive line has
drawn a tremendous job. Williams has done a great job.
Jalen Carter's had a great second season, Sweat's done a
great job. They lost Brandon Graham and Huffed to injury,
and they're still producing at a very high level. So
I think that physical toughness permeates the whole team. And
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you're right, I think naturally at the skill positions there
always is a little more personality. And I reference this
in one of the games. The receivers certainly, and this
has been even when I was a rookie with Terry Glenn.
You know, God rest his soul, but he had a
you know, his own way of trying to get included.
And if they're not getting passes all the time, whether
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that was Randy, who I love more than anyone in
this world, they just they want to feel included in
what they're doing. If they're not getting involves and impact
in the game, they want to let you know about it.
And that's just part of it that comes with the territory.
AJ does a little bit of that. DeVante smith Is
is obviously a great teammate and a very unselfish player.
But naturally, some of those I would say, cornerback positions,
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receiver positions, they have their own way of looking at
things and you just deal with it.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Probably finally here because the way you have about three
minutes left, mahomes, mahomes getting a lot of heat. I've
been defending the Patriots. I said a couple of years
ago when they when they moved off Tyreek Hill, they
became the Patriots. They wouldn't be the firework shows. Like
you guys losing Moss, You're not gonna score fifty. You're
gonna have to be more efficient. You have to be smarter,
you have to be even better situationally, Randy Moss or
Tyreek Hill give you those free touchdowns over the top
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and those two play drives those are over I think
they manipulate. I think they leverage. I think they're smart.
I don't think you know, all this rig stuff's nonsense.
But but I will say Mahomes and that out of
bound stuff where he stops, I don't love that. I
think it's I don't love that. What do you make
of the late hits and the controversy that the league
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is protecting Mahomes? What do you make of all of it?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Well, there's an aspect that I don't like about the
some of these defensive rules. I think I've been pretty outspoken,
not just on broadcasts but just in general over the
last bunch of years. And before a quarterbacks out of bounds,
you know you hit them. And it's the reality for
me is offensive players need to protect themselves, and if
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they're running full speed and the defenders are coming up.
The defenders the intent is to create The only way
to turn the ball over is to create force. Right,
You're not going to blow on the football and gonna,
you know, knock its way out of a running back's
hands or a quarterback says you got to go in
there with force and knock it out. You're trying to
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create turnovers, you're trying to disrupt the pass, you're trying
to dislodge the ball. The only way to do that
is with force, and there needs to be an aggressiveness
to doing that. When quarterbacks become running backs and they're
out of the pocket, they should lose their protection. And
we are in in essence, we're trying to say we're
trying to protect the quarterbacks, but coaches are calling more
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quarterback runs than ever in the history of the game.
So who's protecting the quarterback? You're trying to say the
referee should do it. I believe if you're an offensive
player and you can't protect yourself, or you're a defensive
player and you can't protect yourself, if you're a d
lineman and you're engaged in a block no one can
come and clip you, which is that's a chop block.
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That's well known. Everyone agrees with that. If you're defending
your own block, you know they can. They got to
get you on the ground somehow. If you're running with
the ball, you should protect yourself. If you don't want
to get hit, you can go down, you can run
out of bounds, but you can't, in essence, have the
defensive player come in at half speed and then you
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run over the defensive player because he's afraid of getting
a penalty. And I think it's just a disservice to
the game. It's something that I would hope that people
would really address and say, not that anyone's trying to
take advantage of the but they've just gone to a
point where it does impact the quality of the game.
I was on my social media and I was watching
Ronnie lot and he who's the greatest safety, Ronnie Lott?
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Why because he brought a force to the game that
if you were catching the ball over the middle, he
was going to force incomplete passes. And if the quarterbacks
made bad reads, you know that's who That's how the
game got taught. Now there's no repercussions for quarterbacks making
poor reads, making poor decisions out of the pockets. So
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I think overall, in my opinion, that needs to be
seriously looked.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
At, all right, And like the professional broadcaster he is,
he hands it to me for about twelve seconds left
before we go to break. Tom Brady, nice to know
you're going to be back at Fox. You know you
gotta be careful about the innerweb, folks. Not everything, believe
it or not, is true. And his sources, I swear
to you, are as kids. And that's who's everybody's sources
should be. My friend. Good seeing to tom Bi Colin.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
We'll talk to you soon, man, have a great week,
all
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Right, and we'll be back hour too next
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Thanks for making us part of your day. So, Jamack,
I was thinking about this. I do not watch games
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with fans. Now infrequently, you and I'll go, I'll go
to my place in Manhattan Beach and I'll watch a
game that doesn't really matter, a fun what I would
call a fun game. I haven't bet it, it doesn't
It may not be on the show. So it's a
Friday Saturday game. But generally, I don't like to watch
professional sports with other people that aren't in my business
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because they always blame the refs. Even my reasonable smart friends,
they always blame the refs.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So the Kansas City Chiefs are twenty two and two
in their last twenty four and even jamac, a hardened journalist,
believes it's luck, it's rigged. It's the officials. And so
what has always been remarkable to me, And I'm not
a snob on this stuff. I just get worn down
by fans and friends. It's always the refs. So Kansas
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City now is the target of all this stuff. And
you'll hear from Patrick Mahomes in about three minutes. But
I'll give you an example. Fans will be tough on
the officials. They want perfection, but yet they let their
coach and their players off the hook all the time.
So let's go to Sunday's games. So let's just go
to this Houston game where everybody thought it was the refs.
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It is fourth and ten at this moment, it's the
biggest possession of the game for the Houston Texans. They
are scrambling to get the play in and here's the call. Yeah,
this is too big of a play.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I think can eat call time.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Out, but they snapped it.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Blitz again Stroud in trouble. Ploftus is there, Kansas City
bar complete Mayheim. You think you're gonna beat Andy Reid
in a bye and you can't get that buttoned up.
But Tamiko Ryans after said these officials, that was us
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against the world. Now, Kansas City didn't score on that. Now,
let's go back to the first quarter. We'll reverse it.
Let's go back to the first quarter. Remember, the NFL
has instructed its officials call roughing on plays like this,
and at first glance, it looked like roughing. It's not challengeable.
So there's that play and everybody think that is not right. Well,
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on that play, it did give them a first down.
I'll admit that. But on the very next play, Travis Kelcey,
the best time end in football for six seven years
is for one of four times on the day left
wide open. You may want to cover him. I mean,
Kansas City doesn't have a lethal receiving corps. They don't
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throw to their backs that much. That's the one guy
you have to cover. You didn't. He was seventy percent
of the offense. Xavier Worthy's more of a gadget guy.
Rashi Rice is out. It's musical chairs at wide receiver.
Noah Gray's not beating anybody down the field. You had
one guy to cover if you left them open all game.
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Let's go back even further to the opening kickoff. You
basically gave the Chiefs a three to nothing lead at
arrowhead off a buye, and to make it worse than
giving up a sixty three yard kick, you had an
unsportsman like penalty and a player shoving a coach. So
you go on the road, you shove a coach, a
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disastrous special teams performance, You miss two field goals, that's
six points. You miss a pat that's one point. You
give up a field goal in the opening kick because
of that nonsense, that's ten points. You lost by nine.
And you also on several occasions did not cover the
only really Hall of Fame level weapon Kansas City has
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Old Rickety, Travis Kelcey. And you're blaming the refs on
a go either way call with Will Anderson and Patrick Mahomes,
which I said yesterday on first glance, I was like, oh,
that's that. And the referees it's not challengeable. They don't
get slow mo, they don't get a replay. They got
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to call what they see. So again you demand that
the officials are perfect and they're instructed to make certain
calls and they're not challengeable calls. But you gave up
on special teams, you gave up ten points and you
lost by nine, and that gets lost over. Patrick Mahomes
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was talking about what it's like to be the chiefs
now in this constant talk about officials and working the system.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
And obviously I've been on both sides of it as
far as how I felt the calls were made. But
at the end of the day, man, those guys are
doing doing their best to make the best calls and
keep it toward the players and making the plays in
the game. And that's what besides the outcome. And obviously
there was a call here or there that people didn't
agree with, but at the same time, I think there
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was a lot of other plays that really decided to
outcome of that football game.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yes, there were. I've said this to NBA fans because
for years and years NBA fans were relentless, mostly because
the Lakers attracted better players. They had Shack and Kobe.
That's the way it works, and I always said this,
whenever you want to complain as an NBA fan, ask
yourself two questions. How many free throws did you miss?
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How many free throws did your team miss? Oh nine?
You can't hit free throws as a professional basketball player.
And how many turnovers do you have? And if the
combination is like sixteen to eighteen mistakes, the refs get
one occasionally two. All right, So I do not believe
in curses, UFOs, ghosts. Yeah, I don't believe any of
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that stuff. Sorry, but I said this this morning to
the staff. If Ben Johnson and the Bears don't work,
I'm pouring my entire net worth into bitcoin. I think
it's going to work. Now, there are so many things.
This is not the Jets, this is not Carolina. This
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should work. And here's the new guy they hired. It's
Ben Johnson, full of energy, full of spirit. He talked yesterday.
Here it is all right, Bears Nation.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
You ready to go beyond fired up to be here?
This is exciting times. Cannot wait to get to work.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Bear down baby, okay, sharp offensive coach known for maximizing
offensive personnel, and the Bears have weapons. Just left a
great culture so he can cherry pick some stuff. He
had proximity to a great culture in a rebuild, right
like he wasn't in a dynasty. He was in a
bad franchise that built up from the ground floor. So
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this is literally he's taking the job, and he just
worked through a four and five year cycle of what
he wants to do. He can steal stuff from there.
The Bears have good assets. They have sixty six million
dollars in cap space, that's top five. They have a
dynamic rookie quarterback who has four years he's basically free.
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And oh, by the way, you have three in the
top forty one because you have an extra second, you
have interesting weapons. This is not the Panther's job. This
is not the Patriots job with Gerrod Mayo. That's not
what this is. So I don't know if Ben Johnson
can turn it around. I don't know if he's Bobby
Flay or Sean McVay. But he's got a full pantry
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in a great kitchen. And if you go look, what
really is true is that if you just look at
the two teams that were in worse shape than Chicago
Washington this year, I mean, Washington's roster coming into the
season is significantly lower PFF than Chicago's. That Ben Johnson
will get and he's got He's got six seven draft
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picks to add and free agents, and Houston was a
laughing stop ownership down. And they both gave you blueprints.
For instance, Washington fixed the offensive line. Then they brought
in like smart, savvy veterans Bobby Wagner, Zach Ertz, Marcus Mariota.
So you don't even have to if you're Ben Johnson,
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you don't even have to be original. You can just
steal what Washington did? You have a mobile quarterback? Your
O line needs upgrading, Go add sprinkle in a couple
savvy veterans, stir, put it in the oven, let it bake,
and it should work. So now now in the first moves,
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he hired Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator. I like
Dennis Allen as a DC, not a head coach. He's
gonna bring reportedly as the offensive coordinator, the guy Hank
Fraley that built that offensive line. I like that move.
So there's a there's like eight reasons this should work.
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You don't even have to be original, just copy Washington.
And I feel like I won't be watching a football team.
I'll be watching an exorcism. Can they exercise their quarterback
and offensive demons? Because when you look at this, this
is a way better situation than Washington had, in a
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way better situation than Houston had. We hated Houston's roster
two years ago, and Ben Johnson doesn't even get a rookie.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Stride was a rookie for Demico Ryans. I mean, Caleb
has already been in the league. So take a deep breath.
But people ask me, you think it'll work, and I'm like, yeah,
I think it will work. I think it will work.
But this is not Remember most people thought if you
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would have had a younger, more current, richer owner, most
people thought this was viewed as the best job available,
despite their politics and potholes. So I'm looking at Dennis Allen,
I'm looking at this. I'm looking at cap space. I'm
looking at you can use Washington with a mobile quarterback
and all new people as an example. They're gonna bring
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the Lions, oh coach to be the OC. Like, this
should work. I'm very excited it should work. Here was
is it? Ben Johnson introducing himself to Chicago? We already
showed that video, right, we already showed that one. Okay,
So J Mack, you're looking at me kind of smiling.
I'm not trying to be overly optimistic, but I also
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don't want to be cynical because it does stack up.
There's a lot of stuff here. I mean, the big
knock is we don't know if it's the right GM.
We also don't know if it's the wrong one.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I don't know much about Ben Johnson.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I'd really never heard him say much outside of that video,
so I wonder it was a little rigid. And I'm
not being too critical here, but you know how when
you like meet a girl and you think there's some
major potential and she's like, you want to go salsa dancing,
and you're like, of course not. Oh sure, yeah, let's
go salsa dancing. That, to me is what Ben Johnson
felt like there where he's like, all right, bear down,
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let's go. Well, he looks like a quiet reserve, got
a cotton dock on the weekend kind of guy. Okay,
who's buttoned up. And I don't know if that looked
like the real Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, let me just say this. I do to your point,
he is not McVeigh, right, but I will tell you
I think he could be Matt Lafleur. So when Matt
Lafleur got the job in Green Bay. I made two
calls to Tennessee. I said, what are they getting and
they said, well, he hasn't shown that he can walk
in and be a leader of men. He can be
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kind of quiet, kind of cerebral. The knock on him is, oh,
he's going to Green Bay and it's Aaron Rodgers. Is
he going to get overpowered? So he was not. By
the way, Shanahan's not a big personality there. He's not.
Zach Taylor's not. He's been to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Mike McDaniel's definitely.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Mike McDaniels is not. He's quirky. Matt Lafleur Isn't. You
look at McVeigh and you're like, well, Sean is the
whole package. Okay. That is like comparing quarterbacks to mahomes.
If you can be ninety three percent of mahomes, you're
a seven time Pro bowler. Like if Jaden Daniels you
said today is ninety percent of mahomes, that means he'll
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win a Super Bowl or two. Because Patrick may win
six and he's gonna be a thirteen time Pro bowler
and Patrick will be eighteen times. So my take is,
don't look at McVeigh. I would look at Matt Lafleur,
who was a bit reticent, not a huge personality kind of.
I think what I hear about Ben very cerebral, very bright.
Now now we don't want him to beat Adam Gaze,
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who really was tipped.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
On the a little.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Obscure, a little out there. But I think my take
is best case scenario, and what I've heard over the
last three days, there's some Matt Lafleur here.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That means big win. Colin breaking news.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
The Buffalo Bills were just flagged fifteen yards for hitting
Patrick Mahomes and.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
The game so five days away.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Just wanted to put that on your radar, an early
flag on the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
See, I'm not going to watch games with you anymore.
If this is what it is, You're the last guy
I watched games.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I sit on my couch all weekend and just write
down notes for games. Because you've done this before, like
the Kansas City's gotten into Laker territory, like Kobe and Shack.
So I used to say this all We got Tom
Brady here pretty quick, but I used to say this
all the time about Shaq. If you went to a
Laker game and watched how often Shaq was fouled and
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it wasn't called. But if you watched on TV, you
thought Shaq was fouling everybody. You had to go to
a Laker game, sit there and watch Shack get mugged
for two and a half hours.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
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Speaker 1 (14:44):
Twenty million dollar Championship roster will only lead to more spending.
And my take was, I hope so I was one
of the best offenses I've ever seen in college football.
They got their worth out of their money. Ohio is
not a rich state. Columbus is not a flashy town.
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It's a lot of office parks, insurance companies, chain restaurants.
But they look rich in college football because they care.
Same for Alabama, small state, very little money, they always
find it for college football. KU basketball. Do you think
of Lawrence, Kansas as well? Healed, No, It's ingrained in
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their history. There's a lot of there's a lot of
teams in New York, LA and Chicago that don't win
because they don't care as much. But colin this new
college football, how will the little guy compete? Oh my bad?
I lost count of all the Natties per due ad
before the NIL existed, the little guy never won. I mean,
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we've had one little guy ever win since they expanded
sixty eight games in college basketball's March Madness, one little guy.
Little guys are cute stories that get bounced after a
couple surprising wins. Yes, the NIL you need guard rails.
The NFL is tweaking stuff every year. Baseball made just
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two tweaks recently. Both worked. They'll be tweaks to this,
But I gotta be honest with you, with very few exceptions.
Maybe Oregon the same teams I grew up loving and
they dominated college football. They dominate it now. Michigan, Alabama,
Ohio State, Georgia was always good. Penn State was independent
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but great, Notre Dame. Oregon's the new kid on the
block thanks to Phil Knight's money. There's most of the
same teams. I mean, as Cincinnati Bearcats weren't winninaties then,
are not winning them now. I guess Michigan State was
probably more viable in the thirties and forties than now
Army and Navy. But the playoff's going to be expanded
to fourteen teams, maybe sixteen, So at least a little
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guy now gets an invite to the party. In the
previous decade, only fifteen teams even made the playoffs. Joel
Klatt on NIL and how the landscape has changed in
college football.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
It's the biggest largest living alumni base in college sports
is the Big Ten alumni base, and so that is
that is a big deal in this era where fans
can have more of an immediate impact through their donations
to NIL.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yes, and and and not the Pac twelve it's dissolved.
Not the ACC and not the Big twelve. Are Mountain West.
The two conferences in my life who have had the
biggest stadiums and filled them the most, the SEC and
the Big Ten. As the world changed, ended up on top.
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That's exactly how it should be. Would He Haze has
won titles at Ohio State, Jim Tressel and Urban. And
the coaches that fail at Ohio State they win like
ten or eleven games, John Cooper, they can't beat Michigan
enough and they get shown the door. Nothing's really changed,
just more people now get invited to the party. J
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Mack with the news.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
All right, let's get started with the Philadelphia Eagles and
the status of Jalen Hurts. He hurt his knee against
the Rams. He was able to finish the game, didn't
look very mobible. Offensive coordinator Kellen Moore says he isn't
changing his play calling strategy against the Commanders.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Same game plan formula. Obviously, like any players on our team,
if you have to make adjustments this week's progress or
games progress, you do, but very similar planning. That stuff's
always going to lean on the medical and the player. Obviously,
those guys go through their process and it's just communicated
from them to the coaching staff and so play conversations.
Week progresses, there's hey, it's you know mid to late
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chan where there's a lot of guys that are banged up.
So have just to do with Jalen. You know, there's
playing guys that are going through stuff, and you know
that's how these weeks are.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I would argue that justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts, I'm
never sure if they're one hundred percent healthy. I mean,
like Jalen Hurts to me as always because of his
running style and what the tush push and the running style.
I never feel he's one hundred percent and so I
don't think it changes it. I do. I have changed
my mind. I think the Commanders cover. I think it's
going to be closer. The more you reach into it,
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the more I think they can compete. But my take
is Jalen's been banged up a lot of his career.
Just the style. I mean, he's one of the only quarterbacks.
A lot of these quarterbacks tried tush push twice three
times they got hurt. McDaniel Jones, did I think, Yeah,
So I think I just think Jalen hurts. I've we've
done this story. I feel like ten times since he
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came into the league he's banged up for a game.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I mean concussion and now this knee injury.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
I broke down this game with a pro gambler on
my podcast, and the Washington Commanders play a lot of
man demand one of the highest rates in the league.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
You know what that means. A j Brown, he annihilates
Vanda Mann.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Who you gonna put on Marshon Lattimore or the rookie
from Michigan, who had two picks against Detroit Sanristo like
AJ Brown's gonna eat those guys up and the cornerback
then turn their backs to Hurts, who can run, assuming
he's healthy. Colin, I'm not sure I see what you're
seeing Washington defensively.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Let me throw this out. We looked at the Rams
on a short week with one weapon on the perimeter,
and Eagles have two great corners, but one got hurt.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Mitchell left with that was a big loss.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
A rookie six round center for the Rams against Jalen
Carter snow game for Matt Stafford. I mean, it really
looked like one of the easiest bets of the year.
And Matt Stafford completes the ball to Puka Nakua down
the sideline, and you and I are texting, going, oh
my god, the Eagles let you back in the games
they I'm tired of hearing people say, and I'm beg guilty.
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The Eagles didn't play well. Now, this is what they
are every Sunday against good team. They leave you so
many opportunities, not always to win, but to keep it close.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Well, you mentioned interior offensive line for the Rams.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Washington lost one of their great offensive linemens Cosmy. Yeah,
their best offensive lineman on the inside, Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Gonna eat again. It could get ugly. Next up, Colin,
how about your guy? Lebron James last night a historic
triple double.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Twenty one to ten and thirteen.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Became the oldest player to record a twenty point triple double.
Second player forty year older to record a trip dub
I mean the guy's incredible. Lakers beat the hapless and
I do mean hapless Washington Wizards. The oldest triple double
belongs to Carl the Mailman Malone.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Lebron, I mean.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
This list is unbelievable. He has so many triple doubles
over the age of thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
No basketball player has ever done more things well than Lebron.
He is not the one on one scoring monster of
Michael Jordan. He's not the low block tear of shacker
Tim Duncan. But in terms of I always said, he's
much closer to Magic than he is Michael. But he's
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a much better defender, and he's a much bigger, stronger
physical presence than Magic. But there's more magic than Michael,
and Magic could score forty two in the finals if
you needed him at center, or he could score twelve
and have seventeen assists, Magic could do whatever you needed.
Lebron's the better score than Magic, but his game has
always been more magic than Michael. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
I mean essentially, you know, Lebron and our guest here
in five minutes, Tom Brady, are the case for Hey,
why can't you just play into your late thirties or
early forties.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I mean, what Lebron did is doing and what Brady.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Did just incredible for these guys at their age to
continue to dominate at the highest level. Colin final story
quickly is that there are reports that saying Mike vrabel
is going to land Josh McDaniels back in New England.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
As the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
This is the third time McDaniels has had the job.
They have never coached together Rabela McDaniel's, but they have
a connection due to obviously the Belichick Brady era in
New England.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I am a lot of times not for getting the
band back together. I am here right now. It's kind
of a little bit of a broken franchise, but they
have it's not it's not broken, but you got craft
and you have Drake May. So there's there's building blocks here,
but they've lost their way as a franchise. I love
both these moves. This is one of the least talented
rosses in the league, Colin, It is the least talented roster,
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which is why they can trade down. It's not a
great draft, but it's a fairly deep draft at places
they need offensive line and running back. They need those
two even more than receiver.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
And it was okay, they have no receivers, Colin for Drake.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
May, nobody who's on they need.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
This draft provides O line, receiver, and running back draft.
It's a great draft.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
For those Are you sticking with these guys going to Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Going to the playoffs. I applied for a playoff tickets
this morning. E I'm telling you this is my Washington
and my rams the year before.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
I'm going to go out on a limitar my team
to make the playoffs that missed it, Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I got Joe'll swing there. Jmckle the news.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Heard Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
All right, Well take a break, Tom Brady, We'll be
joining us live next.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
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Speaker 6 (25:32):
On the line as rookie sensation Jayden Daniels leaves Washington
against sikuon Barkley, Jalen Hurts and the Eagles. Pregame coverage
starts at one pm Eastern with kickoff at three.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Only on five. Well, yeah, I'm eternally grateful that I
get a broadcast for a living and watch sports and
take notes and have fun. But it's also been great
that I get Tom Brady on a regular basis. He
is joining us to a live now, all I gotta
start with this. Everything I read on the internet Tom
is true, and it breaks my heart that we only
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got to work a year together. You're already leaving, so
it's really hard for me. I swear to God, the
interweb has you. I don't know where you're going, but
you're leaving. Would you address that please?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It's hard for me too. I thought it was a
great run, you know, one solid year, so you know
there's time for new things. And I figured, you know,
this has been totally mastered to this point. Yeah, I
don't know where it comes from. I know it always
says sources close to Brady or whatever. But I've had
the best time at Fox, and I've loved every time
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going into the booth and working with such great people,
starting with my partner Kevin, everyone in our crew, Ze Russ, Aaron,
Tom who you know everyone would probably know a little
bit about, but behind the scenes, there's so many incredible
people that bring the NFL to life and to see
kind of how it is from a different perspective, you know,
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I've had so many years, twenty three years play on
the field, I've watched so many games from from you know,
the sideline, sideline view, and now I'm sitting up there
in the booth and seeing it from a different perspective,
and I've I've I've loved kind of just the whole
process and diving into all these different teams. It's been
a lot of growth for me in one year, and
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I really can't see can't wait to see what it
looks like in year or two and and way beyond
that too. So I got nine years left on my
deal and maybe longer. You never know. If Fox wants me,
then I want to go. We'll just keep going because
it's been it's been really fun thus far.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I think sources close to Brady or your kids, and
my guess is they're not leaking stuff to the internet.
So okay, So all right, let's get into the Raiders stuff.
So they need a coach again, there's a lot of
talk about who the coach. They need a general manager.
So you were a rookie broadcaster, you're now a rookie
part of an ownership group. Kind of give me what
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does this entail?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Great point, you know, being a rookie too, you got
to almost go back to what your roots are as
a rookie and remember that when you are a rookie
year trying to learn as much as you can. And
when I was a rookie as a quarterback, I really
just kind of engulfed myself in the playbook and listen
to a lot of the veterans, and this is how
you're going to go about it, Tom, this is how
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you're going to be the best possible player you can be.
And then you realize that many years later, ten years later,
I started to actually perform the way that I thought
I was capable of performing. So I wish I could
have played football my entire life, but that kind of
you know, twenty three years was long enough. I got
tired of really taking the hits that I wanted to spend,
you know, as much time as I could with the kids.
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So really being involved with the Raiders gives me an
opportunity to be involved with football for the rest of
my life. And I really love teamwork. I always have.
I love seeing other people succeed. I really hope other
players get former players get opportunities to be involved with teams,
and right now I've got there's a great ownership group,
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there's other great people involved. On one voice. It's so collaborative.
But I think this process of learning is is so important.
So that's kind of where it's at.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
So I want to ask you about Ben Johnson. So
this is interesting to me. So everybody says, and I
think I fall into this, Hey he got an offensive coach,
and you think immediately that's great, but you didn't. And
in fact, Belichick let you and Josh kind of go
behind the curtain and he let you do your thing,
which I love that. That's cool, Like, hey, you're into it, Josh.
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If you get an offensive coach, Look, here's what I.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Think when you look at these go ahead, sorry Colin
a second delay, But I think that it's there's such
a jigsaw puzzle when you look at a lot of
different organizations and whether football organizations are basketball, baseball. I
think it's a collective group of people and you've got
to figure out that puzzle of what exactly fits. If
you do have a defensive head coach, you know, like
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Bill Was, Bill was a great manager, and Bill did
a great job coach in the coaches and he had
high expectations. I think he had backgrounded offense, so he
didn't necessarily probably throw all his ideas out there, but
he did have a general understanding of how we should
perform on offense and he had expectations for that. Bill Was,
I thought, one of the greatest special teams coaches ever
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in the history of the NFL, and obviously the greatest
defensive coordinator probably in the history of the NFL. So
I think when you look at all the different roles
that he played in the organization that I was successful in,
he did more than just coach. He was a great
kind of added beneficiary or added great benefit to the
defensive staff. He was a great listening and is about
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to listen to what we're doing offensively. He could provide
insight to that. There was a lot of things he
added to our clubs. So this whole puzzle with the
offense coach defensive coach, I just it should be about
great people doing great things, working collaboratively, being humble, learning
every year. In the same way that you said earlier
to me, you're always trying to up your game every year.
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I feel like that's what I always try to do
as a player, and I don't see that's any different
in football or in business. Everybody should always be looking
to improve and understanding where their weaknesses are, how to
improve their weaknesses and then continue to build on their strengths.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
You watched a lot of Caleb Williams. If there was
one thing that you want him to improve on that
Ben Jonson can zero in on and you got a
lot of snaps. Is there one thing you'd say, hey, Caleb,
this is the one thing I want you to work on.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I think it's always you know, there's well I would
say this for any player, and Caleb in particularly as
a young player, there's a lot of room for growth. Obviously,
it's really up to him to decide where he wants
to spend his time and energy to become the player
that he wants to be. And I believe that there's
three parts that make up great players, the physical, the mental, emotional.
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We all have deficiencies. None of are fur pick players.
Maybe the only perfect players I played against was Ed Reid,
ray Lewis, Jason Taylor. Those guys were perfect in my opinion,
but they had so many things figured out. I, let's say,
at one point, was physically probably not where I wanted
to be. Mentally emotional, I was always very good. I
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had a great understanding of the tactics. I could bring
a competitive desire to practice every single day to get
the most out of my teammates. Where I needed to
prove was physically. How do I become a better pocket passer?
How do I improve the footwork in my pocket? How
can I become more durable? How can I be a
little bit more stronger in the pocket. When those things
caught up to what I was doing mentally and emotionally,
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I became the type of player that I wanted to be.
Some guys are really blessed physically, so they don't have
to work on necessarily the mental emotional as much.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
So.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I think you always have to have an understanding if
you want to reach your true potential. It's about mac
sigizing all three of those things. I went and spoke
to the Notre Dame football team before they were in
the Orange season, before they won the Orange Bowl. I
talked about those exact same things. I talk to any
player who comes up and talks to me, whether it's
other quarterbacks on other teams, whether it's college teams. You
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know they're always seeking my advice, and I tell them
the same thing. You have to have a self awareness
about who you are, where you want to go, and
then work hard at the things where you're deficient and
while still understanding what your strengths are and build on those.
But this is a this is a full time job
to be an NFL player. This is I woke up
in the morning brushing my teeth in the morning thinking
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about my throwing mechanics. If I just get my left
shoulder looking in the mirror of you, That's that's how
I thought about it, and I think that's why I
was able to have such a productive career over a
long period of time.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Jaden Daniels is obviously gifted. He moves well, he's accurate
when you watch him from upstairs. What is the one
thing that surprises you about Jaden Daniels as a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I think when you deal with most rookie quarterbacks, and
I think what I saw in this Detroit game is
when they most defensive coaches. Now, it's just like, let's
put pressure on him, let's get to the middle of
the pocket. Let's send blitzers. He won't see him, he
won't have a full understanding of protections or where his
great one on one matchups are. Jaden looks and I
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know this for a fact. He is a tremendous work ethic.
Everybody speaks about his ability to work hard. He's in
the playbook, you know, after he gets drafted in the offseason,
he's trying to understand what the coaches are going to
ask him. And then you see how it's reflected in
his rookie season. One of the great rookie seasons any
quarterbacks ever had. And he's got a great connection with
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his players. He has the physical tools and he's a
very humble kid. How that reflects and when I watch
him play, he has tremendous poison in the pocket. He's
calm under the ca being an NFL quarterback there blitzing him.
The other night the Lions, where he's standing in the
pocket waiting the very last second a lot like you
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know Patrick does in so many ways, and then delivers
the ball accurately to his receivers instride and they make
big plays. So that's I think a little bit about
what's in store for him as he continues to develop
in his future, his poise, confidence in himself. Some players
need production to become confident. Some people become confident before
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they have any production. That's a great trait to have
as an athlete. Before you walk on the field, you're confident.
You don't need to complete your first five passes to
become confident. And I think that's what I see in
a young Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Take out Gronk and the Patriots weren't known as personality.
Plus Felichick muted some of that, or or players self
muted that, knowing Bill didn't like it. And then there's
the Philadelphia Eagles. It's ego. Now Barkley Saquan is very
patriot like Jalen Hurts, a little bit, but it's a
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big personality. The coach is barking at fans. How does
it work in Philadelphia because it's the opposite of your dynasty.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Sure, I think they do things very uniquely, But Howie
Roseman's done an incredible job assembling that team. I think
he's a guy that lives in breathes football every single day.
When you think about being tough, you think about the
offensive line and running the football, and the defensive line
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and their ability to stop the run. And you're right,
they do have some personalities. But when I look at
Jordan my Alatta, when I look at Lane Johnson and
Dickerson and Jurgens and Makai Beckton coming in there, the
strength of that team is their offensive line and Saquon
and they're just tremendous. That dominating force they have up
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front is absolutely incredible. And in the defensive line has
drawn a tremendous job. Williams has done a great job.
Jalen Carter's had a great second season, Sweat's done a
great job. They lost Brandon Graham and Huffed to injury,
and they're still producing at a very high level. So
I think that physical toughness permeates the whole team. And
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you're right, I think naturally at the skill positions there
always is a little more personality. And I reference this
in one of the games. The receivers certainly, and this
has been even when I was a rookie with Terry Glenn.
You know, God rest his soul, but he had a
you know, his own way of trying to get included.
And if they're not getting passes all the time, whether
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that was Randy, who I love more than anyone in
this world, they just they want to feel included in
what they're doing. If they're not getting involves and impact
in the game, they want to let you know about it.
And that's just part of it that comes with the territory.
AJ does a little bit of that. DeVante smith Is
is obviously a great teammate and a very unselfish player.
But naturally, some of those I would say, cornerback positions,
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receiver positions, they have their own way of looking at
things and you just deal with it.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Probably finally here because the way you have about three
minutes left, mahomes, mahomes getting a lot of heat. I've
been defending the Patriots. I said a couple of years
ago when they when they moved off Tyreek Hill, they
became the Patriots. They wouldn't be the firework shows. Like
you guys losing Moss, You're not gonna score fifty. You're
gonna have to be more efficient. You have to be smarter,
you have to be even better situationally, Randy Moss or
Tyreek Hill give you those free touchdowns over the top
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and those two play drives those are over I think
they manipulate. I think they leverage. I think they're smart.
I don't think you know, all this rig stuff's nonsense.
But but I will say Mahomes and that out of
bound stuff where he stops, I don't love that. I
think it's I don't love that. What do you make
of the late hits and the controversy that the league
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is protecting Mahomes? What do you make of all of it?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Well, there's an aspect that I don't like about the
some of these defensive rules. I think I've been pretty outspoken,
not just on broadcasts but just in general over the
last bunch of years. And before a quarterbacks out of bounds,
you know you hit them. And it's the reality for
me is offensive players need to protect themselves, and if
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they're running full speed and the defenders are coming up.
The defenders the intent is to create The only way
to turn the ball over is to create force. Right,
You're not going to blow on the football and gonna,
you know, knock its way out of a running back's
hands or a quarterback says you got to go in
there with force and knock it out. You're trying to
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create turnovers, you're trying to disrupt the pass, you're trying
to dislodge the ball. The only way to do that
is with force, and there needs to be an aggressiveness
to doing that. When quarterbacks become running backs and they're
out of the pocket, they should lose their protection. And
we are in in essence, we're trying to say we're
trying to protect the quarterbacks, but coaches are calling more
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quarterback runs than ever in the history of the game.
So who's protecting the quarterback? You're trying to say the
referee should do it. I believe if you're an offensive
player and you can't protect yourself, or you're a defensive
player and you can't protect yourself, if you're a d
lineman and you're engaged in a block no one can
come and clip you, which is that's a chop block.
(40:28):
That's well known. Everyone agrees with that. If you're defending
your own block, you know they can. They got to
get you on the ground somehow. If you're running with
the ball, you should protect yourself. If you don't want
to get hit, you can go down, you can run
out of bounds, but you can't, in essence, have the
defensive player come in at half speed and then you
(40:49):
run over the defensive player because he's afraid of getting
a penalty. And I think it's just a disservice to
the game. It's something that I would hope that people
would really address and say, not that anyone's trying to
take advantage of the but they've just gone to a
point where it does impact the quality of the game.
I was on my social media and I was watching
Ronnie lot and he who's the greatest safety, Ronnie Lott?
(41:10):
Why because he brought a force to the game that
if you were catching the ball over the middle, he
was going to force incomplete passes. And if the quarterbacks
made bad reads, you know that's who That's how the
game got taught. Now there's no repercussions for quarterbacks making
poor reads, making poor decisions out of the pockets. So
(41:30):
I think overall, in my opinion, that needs to be
seriously looked.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
At, all right, And like the professional broadcaster he is,
he hands it to me for about twelve seconds left
before we go to break. Tom Brady, nice to know
you're going to be back at Fox. You know you
gotta be careful about the innerweb, folks. Not everything, believe
it or not, is true. And his sources, I swear
to you, are as kids. And that's who's everybody's sources
should be. My friend. Good seeing to tom Bi Colin.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
We'll talk to you soon, man, have a great week,
all
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Right, and we'll be back hour too next
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