August 9, 2024 • 41 mins
Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin reacting to the U.S. men's basketball team overcoming a 17-point 4th quarter deficit against Serbia to advance to the gold medal game
Thoughts on Brandon Aiyuk and the 49ers still not being able to work things out
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And what up. Welcome in.
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This is the Herd.
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Wherever you may be and however you may be making
this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug
Gottlieb in for Collin Bowherd on a Friday. You ain't
got nothing to do, ain't got no job. No one
gets tired in your day off.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Do you ever watch a sporting event and you're like,
I'm tired as if I played in that sporting event.
You ever do that, like a really good and we're
getting ready for foot all season? Right, you were like, oh,
you watch a I remember watching last year Colorado State, Colorado,
and I don't have a dog in the fight, not
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in any way, but the game was so good, it
was so hard hitting. Obviously Colorado State, you know, stepped
over the line a little bit. A couple of their hits,
but there was a lot of trash talk. Just an
unbelievably fun and energetic football game. I remember turning it
off was late at night, and I was like, that
was awesome, But now I'm tired. I didn't do anything
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other than of my couch yesterday. And as I think
most of you know, I'm not the new head coach
at Wisconsin Green Bay. So I'm in my office and
I'm hosting my own show and the game is on
and I'm watching in the game ends right about the
time my show ends, but I just and I went
back and watched it again. I was like, oh, I'm
an exhausted exhausted so pretty pretty awesome game. There's not
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a basketball person I know it is like that wasn't
a great game. That was a Noah. Everyone says that
was a great game. And I think there's a lot
to ingest there. There's a lot to discuss in terms
of this game. We can we can get to Steph
Curry and the threes, we can get to Serbia. But
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I think the most important thing that you have to understand,
and Steve Kerr gets this, is that FOEBA is not
the NBA and is not college it is a different
way of playing the sport that many of you grew
up thinking you knew how it was supposed to be played,
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how it was supposed to be officiating everything from how
they call a charge the basket interference rule. Like most
Americans think that there's no goaltending in feeboops, it's not true.
There is goaltending. The only placer's not is offensive goaltending.
The balls on the cylinder, you can knock it in
or knock it out. Now if it's a free throw,
and on the second free throw you can knock it
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out defensively. But if you tip a free throw and
it goes in, they actually get two points, not one.
So that's again by rule. But when you get caught
up in Jason Tatum not playing, when you get caught
up in why did they do certain things, understand that
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watching international basketball and looking it through the prism of
the NBA is a mistake. It's much like when you
watch an NBA or NFL game and you watch it
through the prism of college football. College basketball, Tommy Frasier
is one of the greatest college quarterbacks ever. He could
not play in the NFL, and yet you know there
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there will always be people that look at it or
you know, there's the tebow thing work short period of time,
Well why doesn't it work in the pros. It's a
different game. The hash marks are different, the skill level
of everybody around you is different, physicality is different. But
the rules being different, and the I mean here, the
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perfect example is in college football, you get around three
to three and a half yards you can block downfield
in RPO. In the NFL it's a yard to maybe
a yard and a half max. That completely changes when
you put that ball in the bell off, you're running
back and you pull it out in terms of trying
to read whether or not they're running the football or
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they're throwing the football. In FOBA, there are no three
second defense rules. There's no defensive rules in terms of
canny play zone, canny play man or whatever. But there's
also a different way in which the game is officiated.
All kinds of bumping, bang and grabbing, holding, and then
when a guy drives, any sort of contact perceived or
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otherwise usually ends up being in a foul. The travel
rules are evaluated differently and called differently. It's different. So
when you ask yourself, okay, I understand there were four
MVPs on the floor in winning time for Team USA.
Why wasn't Jason Tatum? Why can't he even get a sniff?
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And the reality is what Steve Kerr is doing is
absolutely brilliant, absolutely brilliant. They played nine guys and Derek
White played seven minutes I think last night, So it's
really more of the eight guys eight and a half
because you just can't do it where you don't have
If you don't have the time with forty minutes, the stoppages,
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they don't call nearly as many fouls, there's not nearly
as many timeouts. All those things don't work the same. Additionally,
you have players who are taking on new roles playing
less minutes, like Kevin Durant coming up off the bench
and come out the bench. Everard's NBA life, He's coming
out the bench now, it's a different rhythm, and you
got to leave him in longer. And I understand. We
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look at this roster and you say to yourself, how
can a roster made up of four NBA regular season MVPs,
all the all the championship stuff as well, how could
you how could you possibly possibly not just beat the
living tar out of everybody. But you're playing a sport
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in a different way. It's officiated in a different way.
It's a different game. And the betting obviously against Team
USA in terms of the line, it seems like a
really easy bet. But like we won by six, but
we scored six points in less than in less than
four seconds, right, So it's not really indicative if you
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watch that we trailed the entire game. It took an
incredible defensive efforts, some incredible timely shot making, and even
then he needed one of the one of the Serbian
players to fall down on an offensive rebound, on a
defensive rebound and travel. Otherwise they have the ball with
a chance to take the lead late, and it's fascinating.
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Like I listen to our network all the time, I
watched the other networks as well, and how many people
were critical of Joel embiid Colin was. Colin said, he's
just wasting our time, taking up minutes. Shouldn't even be
on this team, Am I correct? Like I do watch
the same clips, I do listen to the same show,
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and again I'm picking out Colin. It is his show,
but he's not the only one. And my point on
my show was this, Look, you have the only radio
host in the history of national sports radio whose coach
games internationally, whose coach games internationally where you have twelve
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you're trying to get in you can really only play
nine or ten. And who's actually a coach right now?
So understands the nuances And oh yeah, by the way,
the difference in American rules, NBA rules and college rules.
This is what you got. So what I'm telling you
now you can write down his law. We were not
winning a gold medal. I could have told you this
before last night, and I did. I said this repeatedly.
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We're not winning without him. Beat em beat is there
for a reason. The last time we played Serbia, even
though we won handily in pool play, the game, the
plus minus was zero with Nikola Jokic in the game.
We needed somebody who had that type of body, who
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could guard him, man up, who could also go at
him in the post to wear him down some, and
could score at his level, and if he helped off,
could make him pay. We did all those things, and
so so many of you wanted Steve Kerr to bail
on his strategy of how he was using EMBIID and
what do you know, in the third time they play Serbia,
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we don't have a chance if Joel Embie doesn't play,
because in the international competition, you have to guard true centers.
You have to have that immovable object inside. If you
want to win a World Cup, if you want to
win a European Cup, if you want to win a
world title. In the Olympics, you have to contend for
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the fact that you're gonna have to play Phoebe style
basketball and you're gonna have to defend Nikola Jokic in
the low post. And unless you can do that, don't
count yourself as a guarantee winner. So I guess this
is me hopping on the radio saying I didn't have
to say I told you so, but Steve Kersher did.
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I'm sure you all think it's super easy. You have
NBA all starts, just roll it out. They played together,
like did you notice that Lebron James didn't try and
go one on one in the fourth quarter that he
was just facilitating. And at the end of the game
when they needed a bucket, they gave the ball to
Kevin Durant, who played okay until the fourth quarter. He
got guys to buy into the roles that they're needed
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to to play. That's what that's what coaching really, really
really is. And Kerr nailed it. And so many of
you said, get rid of Joel Embiid. We don't win
yesterday without him. Heck, Steph Curry wasn't particularly good until yesterday.
And oh yeah, by the way, now you play France,
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which is gonna be a really hard game on the road,
incredible hostile environment, talented team, and a team that has
played FEBA basketball a lot more than us. And the
fact that you're gonna have Joel Embiid fully rested actually
ends up being a excuse me. Jason Tatum being fully
arrested actually ends up being a benefit to you. But
you have to start with the premise that it's different
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than the NBA, completely different. So all the awards and accolades,
it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Russell Westbrook is a
terrible international international player. He's been and I know now
he's not, but he's been a multi time MVP average
a triple double three consecutive years. You would think based
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upon those stats he'd be great. In few basketball. He'd
be terrible. Just can't shoot and as much as he
seems like he plays great defense, he's bad on switches
and in terms of communication. And if you can't switch
and guard it in the post, you can't play. They've
been hiding Steph Curry all tournament long, and only yesterday
where they're modestly successful the defensive end. And that was
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because and that was because that was really because of
the time in the situation. So I'm not sitting here
telling you that Steve Kerr is God incarnate, but he
knows a whole hell of a lot more than all
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of us do, and especially frankly, all of you do.
Unless you've played or coached all star level players where
you have twelve of them, where you realize forty minute game,
you can't play twelve guys. Nobody can get the rhythm,
nobody's happy, nothing works, whereas some guys have to play
through it. Kevin Durant, for example, didn't play particularly nearly
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as well in the first half, so he plays Jason Tatum.
Then you don't have Kevin Durant rock and roll and
ready to go and hit that game winning shot. So
to me, the takeaways are don't win without embiid. Steph
was finally waiting for a break loose game, and that
was the game that he ended up. And I think
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a lot of it was because embiids in the game,
so that means Joe Kich is in the game, and
when Yokich is in the game, he doesn't come out
and cover on screen actions and that was one of
the things that Freedop.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And the nine and a half man rotation absolutely worked.
I don't think they play as well in the fourth
quarter if they play more guys in the first three quarters.
All right, coming up next here in the Herd, we'll
give you the latest on Brandon Ayuk. Is he gonna
play for the Niners? Are you gonna send him? Send
him a different team? And when is this all gonna
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come to a conclusion.
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Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well, I want you do Gottlieb Show in for Colin Coward.
This here is the Herd Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app.
Welcome in, Happy Friday to you. Uh. We'll turn our
attention from international basketball competition with NBA players to the
National Football League and a friend of the show, who,
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of course you can hear his podcast on Collin's Volume
podcast network is none other than the One the Only
Jump Middle Coff and John o'coff joins us here in
the herd. John, how much of the game did the
basketball game? Did you watch yesterday?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I'll be awesome. I didn't know it was on until
it was going and then I looked and I saw
the score, and I just I was like, I'm not
even gonna watch this in my office. So I ran
out and watched the second half in the living room.
But it was it was riveting. I'm not gonna lie,
I'm not great.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Wasn't that great? That was awesome? It was awesome because
because and I told this to people, like, look, I
hope people fully understand. In no way am I truly
comparing apples to apples coaching like the Maccabi Games team
in Israel to Team USA. But here's the similarities. Okay,
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the only thing people give a crap about in the
Maccabi Games is the men's men's open basketball. That's the
one I coached and the only thing they really can
if you lose, it's a disaster if you lose this disaster,
and so I can relate to you have twelve guys.
I can tell you the championship game, I got ten in.
I just couldn't find the ability to get the other
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two in. And then you get to like there's like
thirty seconds to go in the game, like do I
shove them shoehorn them in?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Now?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Makes them feel like they're scrubbies or not really scrubbies,
Like that's really hard. But I also understand, and you
have to have coached at that level before. The international
game is a different brand of basketball, a different brand
of basketball, and so what people.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Do I was trying to explain to Maria's like, I
think this could go down as like one of the
biggest losses ever. She's like in basketball, I'm like, no,
in sports, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But that's because we look at the four MVPs on
Team USA and the other you know, first Team ALLE,
and we we equate the fact that they're MVPs. Okay,
there's a bunch of stuff to it. One like where
we fail as a country in terms of basketball players.
None of those guys outside of Derek White have come
off the bench in years, right, So these are rules
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they've never filled. They barely play international competition. It's a
different style, different basketball, all different everything. They don't play
together a ton and as you can see, like this
is what happens. There are people complaining even now about
Jason tam not playing like they won an amazing comeback.
Why are you complaining? But that's that's how we that
that's how we treat kids, you know, and so of
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course how you're treated as a kid. Don't do once,
you don't want to do a thousand times. We think
NBA players are the same.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, I mean people are actually complaining about Jason Tatum
right now. Is that's still offering?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, Jason McIntyre did We're gonna have mom one later
on the show, Jason Tatm's mom apparently took to social media.
There's some other I don't know, but you know.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Theould have been they should have been to Durant for him.
I'm probably would have been the move.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, that would have that would have been moved, That
would have That would have been smart, especially considering Kevin
Durant's the best closure we've probably ever had outside of
Michael Jordan. Let's let's go to Let's go to the NFL.
Shall we, uh, what do you make of the Jalen
Hurts beef with Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I think the number one thing that stood out to
me in that article is which we've been kind of
hinting at for a while, is Sirianni's schematic acumen, which
to me is pretty crazy in this modern day football
for a young offensive guy. But he clearly that's not him.
I mean he's really like what his skill set is
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in theory is like our Bob brother Dan Campbell, like
this crazy leader, which I think we all kind of
question as well. Once you lose respect. You know, you've
had bosses and coaches, and there are some no matter what,
you're going to not always agree, but when you respect them,
especially as you get older. He's it's like whatever, I
totally understand when you lose respect because they don't know
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what they're doing, Doug, use respect because you think more.
I don't think that guy.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yes, I think that's the that's the and I've I've
had this with other coaches where they'll call me like
a month or two months in the season, like this
guy doesn't know anything, right. We've all had that with
your You're at a dinner party and somebody starts talking
about a topic to which they clearly don't know what
they're talking about, and it doesn't matter what they say
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after that, when they act like they know what they're
talking about and they say something that is categorically false
any human being, especially guys like yeah, he's full of it.
I don't believe it what he says.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
And I think, think about this, if you look at
what's just look at Andy Kyle and mcneck. Do you
think Stafford Purty or Mahomes if they were kind of struggling,
who would the first person they would go to? He
had to call Wink Martindale and even Winks like you
all's been coaching eighty years, has never had that happen.
But it actually kind of makes sense because Jalen's lost,
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He's looking for help.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
There's no one that can help him.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
It's bizarre. So is it fixable.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Because you can't.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
It's not like he's a twenty two year old quality
control guys. They could learn stuff. I mean, this is
this guy gets the coaches for a while, So how's
it gonna change it?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Now?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
All of a sudden he knows place. I mean, basically
what they acknowledge is we understand Nick knows nothing in
the sense of like at the level in which you
have to in the NFL. So we're gonna bring him
Kellen Moore, who's just an intellect from Chris Peterson, who's
dad was a coach, who's a scheme guy, and he's
gonna handle it. And Nick's just gonna be one one
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hundred percent the CEO. Don't even get involved with Jalen.
That's pretty crazy to me. I would understand that the
coach is like sixty five years old, but you're a
young coach. It's now they're talent on the team. I
still think it's they're gonna be pretty solid, but it's
hard to not when you know what hits the fan
and not keep this in the back of your head like.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It does Jalen.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
They're think Dalen coming from Saban, you know, that's like
Harvard level football, Like he kind of knows where it
looks at shape Psichin.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I don't know. Just this is Philly. It could get weird,
and it could get weird fast that they lose big games.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
What about what about the jail in part to it?
Where I get it Sirianni may not know what he's
talking about, but like Jalen has a bit of a
rep going back to the college times as a guy
who how he purports himself being about the team and
being this great leader when the truth is he's about
Jalen's about Jalen, Right, That's that's what the Oklahoma guys thought,
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Like he's talented, but by the end of the year
they just let's not have him to do progressionaries, Let's
just have him run it. And he wasn't beloved there,
especially by the coaching staff. Do we call it any
of Jalen's kind of act into question, considering he did
call an opposing defensive coordinator in the season to ask
for help.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah, I think you know, if you wanted to take
Sirianni's side, you're his boys. Like this guy thinks he's
like Russell Wilson junior and takeover. So it's like, hey,
we don't want to do that because it's not gonna work. Right,
we had success when we used you as this hybrid player,
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scrambled you around, like we don't want you sitting in
the pocket like you're Peyton Manning. It's weird, like all
these guys get to pay anyway. Well, I understand, like, hey,
I don't want to run every play. I think most
coach can totally understand, but we're gonna scramble you out.
But they all want to play exactly like Peyton Manning,
like Jaleen's already got two hundred million dollars, Like just
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play whatever is gonna work. That's what I if you
wanted to argue the other side, which listen, if isn't
all on Sirianni the argument of in the sense I'm
not saying that he actually knows stuff, but that the
success of Jalen was not playing like he played down
the stretch last year, which was throwing piss and turned
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the ball over, So that there has to be a balance.
And again that's why they go to Kellen Moore, who
has kind of been around at all, spend a lot
of time around a younger Dak, so maybe he can
kind of gridge the gap. Because I think Kellen Moore
is pretty bright, knows this up and he's gonna have
to figure it out. But like what, Jalen isn't not
culpable in any of this for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
John Minakoff's our guest renounce the podcast. He joins us
here in the Herd Fox Sports Tradio. I Heart Radio Up.
I'm Doug Gottlie feeling in for Colin Cowherd. You mentioned
Russell Wilson, Uh not gonna play, and I just, I
just I'm getting give me your thoughts on the how
the Pittsburgh quarterback situation plays out, because I just he
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had three different coaches say I don't want Russell Wilson
to be my quarterback anymore. Right, last three years, three
different coordinators, three different coaches. They're all like, yeah, we're good. Okay,
So now now he's gonna play for a whole new coach.
I don't who wants him to run more? I don't.
And then Justin Fields, like nobody in the league thought
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he was a starter at the end of last year.
That's why nobody wanted to trade for him to be
a starter. So now we think Justin Fields is the start. Like,
help me understand what you think happens in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Well, you know, I've tried to be glass half full
on this, but if you wanted to take the stance
of being glass half empty, what if there's a disaster,
Like what if Russell is cheap, keeps trending down. They
go to Fields. It turns out he actually it wasn't
all the coach's fault in Chicago, and he's just kind
of a run around guy, and their quarterback position is
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just that because that is on the table. And that's
why them sniffing around for Brandon i Use and potentially
trading their first round pick for him is insanity because
if that doesn't work out and all of a sudden,
you're snipping around quarterbacks next year and you don't have
themo you're not in a position to do that. And
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maybe their cake was we get enough, we get with
him with Pickens, with our running backs, hair mouth, our
offensive line, and they drafted some pretty sweet offensive linemen
in this draft, and then we can just manage it
to nine to ten games with our defensive toughness. But
I don't know, man, I'm not a Russell Wilson guy.
He's stanged up. I'm just I'm hopeful because I'm a
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I'm a sucker for talent and Arthur Smith. But usually
guys like Justin Fields don't just all of a sudden
become great. But it'll be interesting to watch them in
the preseason, what their offense looks like. In theory, they
should be able to run the ball a lot better
with the offensive line, and you know Nasey playing for
a contract. The little Warren guy's a good player. So
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I think this thing could be a ticking time bomb.
And again like not like a two win team, but
let's face it, like who Tomlin's always hung his hat on.
Worst case scenario, we're nine and eight or we're nine
and seven, Well, what if it finally goes because seven
and ten in Pittsburgh would feel like a lot of
teams winning three games with it, Yes, and that to me, eventually,
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they've been playing with fire the last couple of years.
If they've had some injuries like you looked up last year.
You know Minka's on the sideline, TJ has been banged up.
Like they're pretty dependent on to me on those two
guys playing like I would say thirty plus games if
they want to have a chance to get to the playoffs,
and then just hope the quarterback position can just be
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I don't know, average.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Stug got leave show here on Fox Sports Trader that's
the voice of Jentleman. I'll call three now is in
fact the podcast, Okay, Brandon, Ayuk Kyle and those guys
talking like it's past tense, yet he's still a member
of the Niners. Tell me how this plays out?
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Yeah, to me, it feels like at this point he's
kind of stuck, like where's it going? Right? I think
they lit a fire in because they imagine me and
you ran the Browns and the Niners have a pretty
good idea like he's were gonna accept their contract, so
they negotiated trade and then who do you think leaked
(26:06):
out that Amari Cooper was in the trade? The Browns
wouldn't do that, right. The Niners did the same thing
with the Patriots, are like, got Kendrick Bourne, Matt Judah.
They're just leaking the players from the other teams knowing
he's not gonna go there.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
So I think the.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Niners have tried every tactic possible to be like Brandon,
you're stuck in this modern nice way and at this
point in time, like the Steelers have nothing to give
because the first round picked is nothing for the forty
nine ers. Right now in the off season, that's a
no brainer move. But when Week one it's not that
far away, it's stupid and that's why I think that
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there's no traction on that deal. It doesn't seem like
any other teams in the league. Maybe Brandon Aiyuk misplayed
his value a little bit because and flash the position
he's in, Like, bro, you're not a free agent. You know,
you're technically under contract three more years in this sport, right,
you got the fifty year option. Then you've got two
brands tanks. We're actually doing you a favor by by
(27:04):
letting you kind of do this, but again we have
to agree and the team that we would yeah, we'll
take Matt Judahn Kendrick Bourne a third round pick. And
then he's like, I'm never going there. So it's like, well,
then you're not going anywhere. So let's just here's our contract.
Are you really gonna pout about four years, one hundred
and five million dollars seventy million dollars guaranteep, Like, are
(27:24):
you gonna are you gonna pout on the dais if
eventually you just kind of tap out and sign that,
because he would be the first guy in league history
to sign a hundred million dollar contract. I'd argue in
any sport and be angry because that's what it feels
like right now. Dude, he's he knows he's stuck, and
he's just kind of playing this out because I know
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this the forty nine ers, like Kyle's not happy. He
thinks this whole thing is like kind of getting ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Okay, what about Ceedee Lamb. Jerry said, he's not in
any sort of hurry. He's in the fifth year of
his rookie deal. They can frank tag him as well.
Jerry obviously has the DAK deal to worry about as
well as well as Michaeh. Parsons. What happens with CD Lamb.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
To me, that thing's a little different because like Cey
Lamb's a much better player than I you and I
mean you just look at the last two years. He's
got one hundred and seven or thirty five balls and
you know, over twenty touchdowns. So it's like, you know,
you're gonna pay him this kind of staring contest. Now,
I understand maybe from their standpoint, is he asking for like,
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you know, two percent more than Justin Jefferson that they are.
You know, you saw this last year with Bosa, you
know Justin Jefferson. They it was kind of an easy
decision for him once they got rid of cousins, they
had a bunch of money to spend. The Cowboys aren't
a little bit more of a predicament, But these contracts
of one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty guaranteed
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for a non quarterback are just typically pretty tough and
there's a lot of back and forth, but eventually these
teams sign it. So I think you could argue you
could do this last year with the Diners, Like ultimately
you were hoping to get him for a little cheaper.
But the end of the day, Nick Bosa, one, wouldn't
you have been better off just giving him that contract
on August first instead of September first? And that's the
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same thing with the Cowboys, Like the number is going
to be astronomical, why not get him into camp right
now and make sure he's in shape and ready to
roll so when you play the Cleveland Browns, he hasn't
just had five or six days to get ready to practice.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
It's a great point. It's a great point. He's John Middlecoff.
Check out the podcast it's called three and Out. He
also has Going Low the Golf podcast as well, all
all available on the Volume podcast hour, Johnny the Best.
Enjoy the football tonight. We'll talk to you very soon.
See let's get to Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
No, no, this is the herd Line News. Doug, good morning.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
How are we doing right.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
It's great to be with you.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
We'll start where you guys left off with some NFL
news here. The Jets are being cautious with Aaron Rodgers
as he returns from that a toorn Achilles. In fact,
they're being so cautious that they held them out of
practice due to wet field conditions a little bit of
rain over there on the East Coast. Here's what head
coach Robert Sala had to say about the decision.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I just didn't want to expose him to it.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
If it was a game, if it was a practice,
if it was clean outside, you would have practiced today.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But call it over over protection.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
But it's just a decision I made. Now.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
It's also interesting here. Sala went on to say that
Rogers pushed back hard about holding him out of practice,
and this is just another instance where Rogers and Sala
not on the same page. Obviously, we had the whole
mini camp situation, which they've moved past. But It was
a little awkward the way that Sala said it was
an unexcused absence, and then Rogers also saying it was
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news to him when he found out that he wasn't
playing in the preseason at all. Basically at the podium
one day when he was asked about Robert Sala saying
he was leaning against him not playing in the preseason.
So just a little bit of an awkward relationship dynamic
between these two.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I think there's a lot of awkward relationship dynamics with
Aaron Rodgers, right, Like he kind of is the king
of the awkward relationships. But he can still throw a
football really well. He's been through it all. There is
a legit question out there into is Robert Sala really
a good head coach?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It's fair they haven't had they haven't had a quarterback,
but there have been other coaching decisions that you question.
And that's very much going to come to play.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
This year, all right, And we will wrap it up
here with the story out of the NBA. Jalen Brunson's
contract extension with the Knicks was an estimated one hundred
and thirteen million, less than what he's eligible to sign
for next off season, leaving many to wonder why he
left so much money on the table. Well, here's Jalen
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Brunson at his press conference talking about that decision.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
I just knew that if I did this, it would
give us a lot of flexibility and to help us
put us in a position to win. And I know
that a lot of people don't agree with it, that
a lot of people who are thinking like it's not
as smart from a personal standpoint, from an individual standpoint,
but I just know that what I'm I'm comfortable here.
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This is home for me.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I mean, I think this is awesome.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Honestly, Brunson knows the financial flexibility is the only way
they'll potentially compete for a championship. And to be honest,
also like he if he continues to play at high level,
He's only twenty seven, He's about to turn twenty eight
in a couple of weeks. Here, he's gonna have another
chance at another big extension in his early thirties if
he's still doing what he does.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
No question, this is the thing we've been waiting for
for a long time in sports and Lebron James, I'll
take two million dollars less is not what we're talking about,
like this is a legit haircut. He's still gonna make
a ton of money. He'll make a ton of money
in endorsements, and he's in New York City. But this
gives him an actual chance to compete. Otherwise, you know,
based upon the money he would have been making, he
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would have to be the number one player. As the
number one player, I don't think you win a championship,
and I think Jalen even knows that it's a sacrifice
of ego that we should champion, just like we should
champion the guys who don't play very much in USA basketball.
What have you done? The only thing that matter is
if the team wins, and Jalen Brunson knows we ain't winning.
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If I'm making way more money than everybody else, don't
have enough money to spend round. That's why my music
with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd line.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
News all right, Coming up next in the Herd, is
there really a quarterback competition in Pittsburgh? Let's dive in
next in the Hurd.
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Speaker 3 (34:24):
It's dog gottlieb shit. Oh sorry, it's the herd. I
mean the Doug gotleibp SHO usually follows this show on
most Fox Sports radio stations. Welcome in. Do you know
there's stories out there that you're led to believe and
(34:46):
you go like, yam, I'm not buying it, dum, not
buying it, and not one I'm not saying things are
not backed by factual data. I'm just talking about making
kind of common sense. Right, So here here's common sense.
Justin Fields, Okay, Justin Fields was acquired by the Pittsburgh Steelers, right,
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and so if you if you remember back, okay, they
the Bears clearly were shopping him wanted to trade him.
Had the number one overall pick. Okay had the number
one over a pick. So the Bears got a sixth
round pick that could turn into a fourth round pick.
(35:37):
Now I understand that when you take on a quarterback
and one who may want a new contract, well, now
it gets super interesting, right you know if you it's
like uh, Brandon Ayuk and his Ayuk and his actual value.
One of the reasons it's not as high as you
(35:59):
know if it's just player for whatever trade is because
in addition to acquiring him, you have to give him
a new contract, you have to give him a new contract.
Look justin fields you got for a six round pick.
And here's the beauty to it. He's going in the
year four of his contract. He makes one point six
(36:20):
million dollars this year and one point six million in
a roster bonus. So for a backup quarterback who has
started for two years better part of three years in
the NFL as your backup, he's gonna make three point
two million dollars. That's who the caphit is. It's one
point two percent of your overall salary. So then you
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look at Russell Wilson and his contract because you're like, well,
Russell Wilson, he's he's not making very much this year.
You're right, Russell Wilson's also only making one point two
million dollars. So dollar for dollar, it doesn't matter. The
difference is that they signed Russell Wilson after he was released.
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Signed Russell Wilson after he was released. He would not
have signed there. I don't believe unless he got a promise,
he's going to start. And as much as plenty of
coaches have you know, last three coaches have said like, yeah,
no on Russell Wilson anymore. Seattle, let him go, Denver
first year, disaster, second year, no matter what the numbers
look like. Sean Payton, who knows quarterbacks, would rather pay
(37:30):
him the biggest walking number ever instead of having him
as your quarterback. So three different coaches have said, I
think Russell Wilson's best football is behind him. That said,
no one in the NFL was willing to pony up
to get Justin Fields as a starter, and you can
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be modestly successful would be the guests for Pittsburgh with
great surrounding talent, good running game, good offensive line, good
wide receivers, with the guy I could just get the
ball there as opposed to Justin Fields. I just I
don't buy that there's a quarterback competition. Maybe should there be? Maybe,
and organically there probably will be, because I just don't
(38:12):
think Russell Wilson's any good anymore. But the idea that
Justin Fields is going to play tonight is playing in
some sort of audition. I don't buy it.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
The whole league has three years of tape on him,
and the whole league is determined he's more backup than
he is a starter. And it's really hard to fix
somebody's footwork, vision, accuracy. I mean, he's got the whole
package as an athlete, and he's got plenty good enough arm,
So it's all those other things. I just don't see
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it being fixed. And I promises are a real thing.
You don't get Russell Wilson at one point two million
dollars unless you promised him he would start. He's going
to start. There is no controversy. There's no controversy. I
had a really good show for you upcoming here in
the herd. It's it's a Friday. It's a Friday. We
(39:06):
got Mark Stein's gonna join us next hour. Wait to
hear what Jerry Jones said about the urgency in these
new deals. Eric Mangini, the man genius is gonna join us,
Plus Jason McIntyre. Now, guys, you tracked down j Mack.
Is he on vacation? Is he working on the TV side?
How did you track down Jmack?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
How do we track him down?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Doug?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, I called him. You just called him.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I texted him. What do you think he won't respond
to us. We work with him every day.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I don't know when he's off. He's off like some
dudes when they're off there like, Hey, I'm off the grid,
don't text me, don't call me.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I mean, I feel like j Mack would always respond.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Now whether j MA is always trying to post, you know,
videos of him playing pick up, Yes, in a tank TODs, Yeah,
in a tank top on the beach, somewhere in a pool,
like j Max's always reachable, Okay, Plus he likes to
talk about these these now cod We let Cowherd be
when he's off. Yeah, you know, he's mostly off. We
(40:08):
let cowhard be, but Jay Mack.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Usually there's a travel involved with Cowherd being off.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Right.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Chicago, Rhode Island, Colorado. Right, he always he hits up
one of those three spots. There is the occasional you'll
call Colin on this time off and you're like, how's
Rhode Island, Colorado? And Chicago? And He's like, no, I'm
just at my place. I'm just at my place in La.
I'm just having a day to myself. Like, oh, that
that sounds lovely. Who has time for that? But yes,
(40:36):
I do get the sense that when Colin's off, Colin's off,
don't call me, don't worry about it. I don't want
to know about it. When Jay Mack when he's off, like,
you want to call me, I'll pop on. So j
Mack wants to We're going to debate the Jason Tatum
think because I saw on his uh, I saw I
didn't listen to his daily pod that he still can't
(40:56):
believe Jason Tatum didn't get minutes, Like, I just I
can't believe this is still a thing to any human
being now, I just can't, Like, did you watch the game?
Understand the all of the different backflips you have to
do to make sure you get dudes in and find
the right thing. And when you find the right thing
(41:16):
that you don't sub again. You just don't. You leave
it all right? Coming up next, Wait to hear Jerry
Jones said about his urgency level getting cd LAMANUE contract.
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And what up. Welcome in.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
This is the Herd.
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Wherever you may be and however you may be making
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Gottlieb in for Collin Bowherd on a Friday. You ain't
got nothing to do, ain't got no job. No one
gets tired in your day off.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Do you ever watch a sporting event and you're like,
I'm tired as if I played in that sporting event.
You ever do that, like a really good and we're
getting ready for foot all season? Right, you were like, oh,
you watch a I remember watching last year Colorado State, Colorado,
and I don't have a dog in the fight, not
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in any way, but the game was so good, it
was so hard hitting. Obviously Colorado State, you know, stepped
over the line a little bit. A couple of their hits,
but there was a lot of trash talk. Just an
unbelievably fun and energetic football game. I remember turning it
off was late at night, and I was like, that
was awesome, But now I'm tired. I didn't do anything
(01:32):
other than of my couch yesterday. And as I think
most of you know, I'm not the new head coach
at Wisconsin Green Bay. So I'm in my office and
I'm hosting my own show and the game is on
and I'm watching in the game ends right about the
time my show ends, but I just and I went
back and watched it again. I was like, oh, I'm
an exhausted exhausted so pretty pretty awesome game. There's not
(02:02):
a basketball person I know it is like that wasn't
a great game. That was a Noah. Everyone says that
was a great game. And I think there's a lot
to ingest there. There's a lot to discuss in terms
of this game. We can we can get to Steph
Curry and the threes, we can get to Serbia. But
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I think the most important thing that you have to understand,
and Steve Kerr gets this, is that FOEBA is not
the NBA and is not college it is a different
way of playing the sport that many of you grew
up thinking you knew how it was supposed to be played,
(02:51):
how it was supposed to be officiating everything from how
they call a charge the basket interference rule. Like most
Americans think that there's no goaltending in feeboops, it's not true.
There is goaltending. The only placer's not is offensive goaltending.
The balls on the cylinder, you can knock it in
or knock it out. Now if it's a free throw,
and on the second free throw you can knock it
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out defensively. But if you tip a free throw and
it goes in, they actually get two points, not one.
So that's again by rule. But when you get caught
up in Jason Tatum not playing, when you get caught
up in why did they do certain things, understand that
(03:34):
watching international basketball and looking it through the prism of
the NBA is a mistake. It's much like when you
watch an NBA or NFL game and you watch it
through the prism of college football. College basketball, Tommy Frasier
is one of the greatest college quarterbacks ever. He could
not play in the NFL, and yet you know there
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there will always be people that look at it or
you know, there's the tebow thing work short period of time,
Well why doesn't it work in the pros. It's a
different game. The hash marks are different, the skill level
of everybody around you is different, physicality is different. But
the rules being different, and the I mean here, the
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perfect example is in college football, you get around three
to three and a half yards you can block downfield
in RPO. In the NFL it's a yard to maybe
a yard and a half max. That completely changes when
you put that ball in the bell off, you're running
back and you pull it out in terms of trying
to read whether or not they're running the football or
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they're throwing the football. In FOBA, there are no three
second defense rules. There's no defensive rules in terms of
canny play zone, canny play man or whatever. But there's
also a different way in which the game is officiated.
All kinds of bumping, bang and grabbing, holding, and then
when a guy drives, any sort of contact perceived or
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otherwise usually ends up being in a foul. The travel
rules are evaluated differently and called differently. It's different. So
when you ask yourself, okay, I understand there were four
MVPs on the floor in winning time for Team USA.
Why wasn't Jason Tatum? Why can't he even get a sniff?
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And the reality is what Steve Kerr is doing is
absolutely brilliant, absolutely brilliant. They played nine guys and Derek
White played seven minutes I think last night, So it's
really more of the eight guys eight and a half
because you just can't do it where you don't have
If you don't have the time with forty minutes, the stoppages,
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they don't call nearly as many fouls, there's not nearly
as many timeouts. All those things don't work the same. Additionally,
you have players who are taking on new roles playing
less minutes, like Kevin Durant coming up off the bench
and come out the bench. Everard's NBA life, He's coming
out the bench now, it's a different rhythm, and you
got to leave him in longer. And I understand. We
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look at this roster and you say to yourself, how
can a roster made up of four NBA regular season MVPs,
all the all the championship stuff as well, how could
you how could you possibly possibly not just beat the
living tar out of everybody. But you're playing a sport
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in a different way. It's officiated in a different way.
It's a different game. And the betting obviously against Team
USA in terms of the line, it seems like a
really easy bet. But like we won by six, but
we scored six points in less than in less than
four seconds, right, So it's not really indicative if you
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watch that we trailed the entire game. It took an
incredible defensive efforts, some incredible timely shot making, and even
then he needed one of the one of the Serbian
players to fall down on an offensive rebound, on a
defensive rebound and travel. Otherwise they have the ball with
a chance to take the lead late, and it's fascinating.
(07:24):
Like I listen to our network all the time, I
watched the other networks as well, and how many people
were critical of Joel embiid Colin was. Colin said, he's
just wasting our time, taking up minutes. Shouldn't even be
on this team, Am I correct? Like I do watch
the same clips, I do listen to the same show,
(07:46):
and again I'm picking out Colin. It is his show,
but he's not the only one. And my point on
my show was this, Look, you have the only radio
host in the history of national sports radio whose coach
games internationally, whose coach games internationally where you have twelve
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you're trying to get in you can really only play
nine or ten. And who's actually a coach right now?
So understands the nuances And oh yeah, by the way,
the difference in American rules, NBA rules and college rules.
This is what you got. So what I'm telling you
now you can write down his law. We were not
winning a gold medal. I could have told you this
before last night, and I did. I said this repeatedly.
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We're not winning without him. Beat em beat is there
for a reason. The last time we played Serbia, even
though we won handily in pool play, the game, the
plus minus was zero with Nikola Jokic in the game.
We needed somebody who had that type of body, who
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could guard him, man up, who could also go at
him in the post to wear him down some, and
could score at his level, and if he helped off,
could make him pay. We did all those things, and
so so many of you wanted Steve Kerr to bail
on his strategy of how he was using EMBIID and
what do you know, in the third time they play Serbia,
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we don't have a chance if Joel Embie doesn't play,
because in the international competition, you have to guard true centers.
You have to have that immovable object inside. If you
want to win a World Cup, if you want to
win a European Cup, if you want to win a
world title. In the Olympics, you have to contend for
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the fact that you're gonna have to play Phoebe style
basketball and you're gonna have to defend Nikola Jokic in
the low post. And unless you can do that, don't
count yourself as a guarantee winner. So I guess this
is me hopping on the radio saying I didn't have
to say I told you so, but Steve Kersher did.
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I'm sure you all think it's super easy. You have
NBA all starts, just roll it out. They played together,
like did you notice that Lebron James didn't try and
go one on one in the fourth quarter that he
was just facilitating. And at the end of the game
when they needed a bucket, they gave the ball to
Kevin Durant, who played okay until the fourth quarter. He
got guys to buy into the roles that they're needed
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to to play. That's what that's what coaching really, really
really is. And Kerr nailed it. And so many of
you said, get rid of Joel Embiid. We don't win
yesterday without him. Heck, Steph Curry wasn't particularly good until yesterday.
And oh yeah, by the way, now you play France,
(10:37):
which is gonna be a really hard game on the road,
incredible hostile environment, talented team, and a team that has
played FEBA basketball a lot more than us. And the
fact that you're gonna have Joel Embiid fully rested actually
ends up being a excuse me. Jason Tatum being fully
arrested actually ends up being a benefit to you. But
you have to start with the premise that it's different
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than the NBA, completely different. So all the awards and accolades,
it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Russell Westbrook is a
terrible international international player. He's been and I know now
he's not, but he's been a multi time MVP average
a triple double three consecutive years. You would think based
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upon those stats he'd be great. In few basketball. He'd
be terrible. Just can't shoot and as much as he
seems like he plays great defense, he's bad on switches
and in terms of communication. And if you can't switch
and guard it in the post, you can't play. They've
been hiding Steph Curry all tournament long, and only yesterday
where they're modestly successful the defensive end. And that was
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because and that was because that was really because of
the time in the situation. So I'm not sitting here
telling you that Steve Kerr is God incarnate, but he
knows a whole hell of a lot more than all
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of us do, and especially frankly, all of you do.
Unless you've played or coached all star level players where
you have twelve of them, where you realize forty minute game,
you can't play twelve guys. Nobody can get the rhythm,
nobody's happy, nothing works, whereas some guys have to play
through it. Kevin Durant, for example, didn't play particularly nearly
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as well in the first half, so he plays Jason Tatum.
Then you don't have Kevin Durant rock and roll and
ready to go and hit that game winning shot. So
to me, the takeaways are don't win without embiid. Steph
was finally waiting for a break loose game, and that
was the game that he ended up. And I think
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a lot of it was because embiids in the game,
so that means Joe Kich is in the game, and
when Yokich is in the game, he doesn't come out
and cover on screen actions and that was one of
the things that Freedop.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And the nine and a half man rotation absolutely worked.
I don't think they play as well in the fourth
quarter if they play more guys in the first three quarters.
All right, coming up next here in the Herd, we'll
give you the latest on Brandon Ayuk. Is he gonna
play for the Niners? Are you gonna send him? Send
him a different team? And when is this all gonna
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come to a conclusion.
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Well, I want you do Gottlieb Show in for Colin Coward.
This here is the Herd Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app.
Welcome in, Happy Friday to you. Uh. We'll turn our
attention from international basketball competition with NBA players to the
National Football League and a friend of the show, who,
(13:52):
of course you can hear his podcast on Collin's Volume
podcast network is none other than the One the Only
Jump Middle Coff and John o'coff joins us here in
the herd. John, how much of the game did the
basketball game? Did you watch yesterday?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I'll be awesome. I didn't know it was on until
it was going and then I looked and I saw
the score, and I just I was like, I'm not
even gonna watch this in my office. So I ran
out and watched the second half in the living room.
But it was it was riveting. I'm not gonna lie,
I'm not great.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Wasn't that great? That was awesome? It was awesome because
because and I told this to people, like, look, I
hope people fully understand. In no way am I truly
comparing apples to apples coaching like the Maccabi Games team
in Israel to Team USA. But here's the similarities. Okay,
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the only thing people give a crap about in the
Maccabi Games is the men's men's open basketball. That's the
one I coached and the only thing they really can
if you lose, it's a disaster if you lose this disaster,
and so I can relate to you have twelve guys.
I can tell you the championship game, I got ten in.
I just couldn't find the ability to get the other
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two in. And then you get to like there's like
thirty seconds to go in the game, like do I
shove them shoehorn them in?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Now?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Makes them feel like they're scrubbies or not really scrubbies,
Like that's really hard. But I also understand, and you
have to have coached at that level before. The international
game is a different brand of basketball, a different brand
of basketball, and so what people.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Do I was trying to explain to Maria's like, I
think this could go down as like one of the
biggest losses ever. She's like in basketball, I'm like, no,
in sports, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But that's because we look at the four MVPs on
Team USA and the other you know, first Team ALLE,
and we we equate the fact that they're MVPs. Okay,
there's a bunch of stuff to it. One like where
we fail as a country in terms of basketball players.
None of those guys outside of Derek White have come
off the bench in years, right, So these are rules
(15:55):
they've never filled. They barely play international competition. It's a
different style, different basketball, all different everything. They don't play
together a ton and as you can see, like this
is what happens. There are people complaining even now about
Jason tam not playing like they won an amazing comeback.
Why are you complaining? But that's that's how we that
that's how we treat kids, you know, and so of
(16:18):
course how you're treated as a kid. Don't do once,
you don't want to do a thousand times. We think
NBA players are the same.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, I mean people are actually complaining about Jason Tatum
right now. Is that's still offering?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, Jason McIntyre did We're gonna have mom one later
on the show, Jason Tatm's mom apparently took to social media.
There's some other I don't know, but you know.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Theould have been they should have been to Durant for him.
I'm probably would have been the move.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, that would have that would have been moved, That
would have That would have been smart, especially considering Kevin
Durant's the best closure we've probably ever had outside of
Michael Jordan. Let's let's go to Let's go to the NFL.
Shall we, uh, what do you make of the Jalen
Hurts beef with Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I think the number one thing that stood out to
me in that article is which we've been kind of
hinting at for a while, is Sirianni's schematic acumen, which
to me is pretty crazy in this modern day football
for a young offensive guy. But he clearly that's not him.
I mean he's really like what his skill set is
(17:25):
in theory is like our Bob brother Dan Campbell, like
this crazy leader, which I think we all kind of
question as well. Once you lose respect. You know, you've
had bosses and coaches, and there are some no matter what,
you're going to not always agree, but when you respect them,
especially as you get older. He's it's like whatever, I
totally understand when you lose respect because they don't know
(17:49):
what they're doing, Doug, use respect because you think more.
I don't think that guy.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yes, I think that's the that's the and I've I've
had this with other coaches where they'll call me like
a month or two months in the season, like this
guy doesn't know anything, right. We've all had that with
your You're at a dinner party and somebody starts talking
about a topic to which they clearly don't know what
they're talking about, and it doesn't matter what they say
(18:17):
after that, when they act like they know what they're
talking about and they say something that is categorically false
any human being, especially guys like yeah, he's full of it.
I don't believe it what he says.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
And I think, think about this, if you look at
what's just look at Andy Kyle and mcneck. Do you
think Stafford Purty or Mahomes if they were kind of struggling,
who would the first person they would go to? He
had to call Wink Martindale and even Winks like you
all's been coaching eighty years, has never had that happen.
But it actually kind of makes sense because Jalen's lost,
(18:50):
He's looking for help.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
There's no one that can help him.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
It's bizarre. So is it fixable.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Because you can't.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
It's not like he's a twenty two year old quality
control guys. They could learn stuff. I mean, this is
this guy gets the coaches for a while, So how's
it gonna change it?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Now?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
All of a sudden he knows place. I mean, basically
what they acknowledge is we understand Nick knows nothing in
the sense of like at the level in which you
have to in the NFL. So we're gonna bring him
Kellen Moore, who's just an intellect from Chris Peterson, who's
dad was a coach, who's a scheme guy, and he's
gonna handle it. And Nick's just gonna be one one
(19:32):
hundred percent the CEO. Don't even get involved with Jalen.
That's pretty crazy to me. I would understand that the
coach is like sixty five years old, but you're a
young coach. It's now they're talent on the team. I
still think it's they're gonna be pretty solid, but it's
hard to not when you know what hits the fan
and not keep this in the back of your head like.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It does Jalen.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
They're think Dalen coming from Saban, you know, that's like
Harvard level football, Like he kind of knows where it
looks at shape Psichin.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I don't know. Just this is Philly. It could get weird,
and it could get weird fast that they lose big games.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
What about what about the jail in part to it?
Where I get it Sirianni may not know what he's
talking about, but like Jalen has a bit of a
rep going back to the college times as a guy
who how he purports himself being about the team and
being this great leader when the truth is he's about
Jalen's about Jalen, Right, That's that's what the Oklahoma guys thought,
(20:33):
Like he's talented, but by the end of the year
they just let's not have him to do progressionaries, Let's
just have him run it. And he wasn't beloved there,
especially by the coaching staff. Do we call it any
of Jalen's kind of act into question, considering he did
call an opposing defensive coordinator in the season to ask
for help.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah, I think you know, if you wanted to take
Sirianni's side, you're his boys. Like this guy thinks he's
like Russell Wilson junior and takeover. So it's like, hey,
we don't want to do that because it's not gonna work. Right,
we had success when we used you as this hybrid player,
(21:15):
scrambled you around, like we don't want you sitting in
the pocket like you're Peyton Manning. It's weird, like all
these guys get to pay anyway. Well, I understand, like, hey,
I don't want to run every play. I think most
coach can totally understand, but we're gonna scramble you out.
But they all want to play exactly like Peyton Manning,
like Jaleen's already got two hundred million dollars, Like just
(21:37):
play whatever is gonna work. That's what I if you
wanted to argue the other side, which listen, if isn't
all on Sirianni the argument of in the sense I'm
not saying that he actually knows stuff, but that the
success of Jalen was not playing like he played down
the stretch last year, which was throwing piss and turned
(21:58):
the ball over, So that there has to be a balance.
And again that's why they go to Kellen Moore, who
has kind of been around at all, spend a lot
of time around a younger Dak, so maybe he can
kind of gridge the gap. Because I think Kellen Moore
is pretty bright, knows this up and he's gonna have
to figure it out. But like what, Jalen isn't not
culpable in any of this for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
John Minakoff's our guest renounce the podcast. He joins us
here in the Herd Fox Sports Tradio. I Heart Radio Up.
I'm Doug Gottlie feeling in for Colin Cowherd. You mentioned
Russell Wilson, Uh not gonna play, and I just, I
just I'm getting give me your thoughts on the how
the Pittsburgh quarterback situation plays out, because I just he
(22:41):
had three different coaches say I don't want Russell Wilson
to be my quarterback anymore. Right, last three years, three
different coordinators, three different coaches. They're all like, yeah, we're good. Okay,
So now now he's gonna play for a whole new coach.
I don't who wants him to run more? I don't.
And then Justin Fields, like nobody in the league thought
(23:02):
he was a starter at the end of last year.
That's why nobody wanted to trade for him to be
a starter. So now we think Justin Fields is the start. Like,
help me understand what you think happens in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Well, you know, I've tried to be glass half full
on this, but if you wanted to take the stance
of being glass half empty, what if there's a disaster,
Like what if Russell is cheap, keeps trending down. They
go to Fields. It turns out he actually it wasn't
all the coach's fault in Chicago, and he's just kind
of a run around guy, and their quarterback position is
(23:35):
just that because that is on the table. And that's
why them sniffing around for Brandon i Use and potentially
trading their first round pick for him is insanity because
if that doesn't work out and all of a sudden,
you're snipping around quarterbacks next year and you don't have
themo you're not in a position to do that. And
(23:55):
maybe their cake was we get enough, we get with
him with Pickens, with our running backs, hair mouth, our
offensive line, and they drafted some pretty sweet offensive linemen
in this draft, and then we can just manage it
to nine to ten games with our defensive toughness. But
I don't know, man, I'm not a Russell Wilson guy.
He's stanged up. I'm just I'm hopeful because I'm a
(24:19):
I'm a sucker for talent and Arthur Smith. But usually
guys like Justin Fields don't just all of a sudden
become great. But it'll be interesting to watch them in
the preseason, what their offense looks like. In theory, they
should be able to run the ball a lot better
with the offensive line, and you know Nasey playing for
a contract. The little Warren guy's a good player. So
(24:39):
I think this thing could be a ticking time bomb.
And again like not like a two win team, but
let's face it, like who Tomlin's always hung his hat on.
Worst case scenario, we're nine and eight or we're nine
and seven, Well, what if it finally goes because seven
and ten in Pittsburgh would feel like a lot of
teams winning three games with it, Yes, and that to me, eventually,
(25:03):
they've been playing with fire the last couple of years.
If they've had some injuries like you looked up last year.
You know Minka's on the sideline, TJ has been banged up.
Like they're pretty dependent on to me on those two
guys playing like I would say thirty plus games if
they want to have a chance to get to the playoffs,
and then just hope the quarterback position can just be
(25:25):
I don't know, average.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Stug got leave show here on Fox Sports Trader that's
the voice of Jentleman. I'll call three now is in
fact the podcast, Okay, Brandon, Ayuk Kyle and those guys
talking like it's past tense, yet he's still a member
of the Niners. Tell me how this plays out?
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Yeah, to me, it feels like at this point he's
kind of stuck, like where's it going? Right? I think
they lit a fire in because they imagine me and
you ran the Browns and the Niners have a pretty
good idea like he's were gonna accept their contract, so
they negotiated trade and then who do you think leaked
(26:06):
out that Amari Cooper was in the trade? The Browns
wouldn't do that, right. The Niners did the same thing
with the Patriots, are like, got Kendrick Bourne, Matt Judah.
They're just leaking the players from the other teams knowing
he's not gonna go there.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
So I think the.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Niners have tried every tactic possible to be like Brandon,
you're stuck in this modern nice way and at this
point in time, like the Steelers have nothing to give
because the first round picked is nothing for the forty
nine ers. Right now in the off season, that's a
no brainer move. But when Week one it's not that
far away, it's stupid and that's why I think that
(26:40):
there's no traction on that deal. It doesn't seem like
any other teams in the league. Maybe Brandon Aiyuk misplayed
his value a little bit because and flash the position
he's in, Like, bro, you're not a free agent. You know,
you're technically under contract three more years in this sport, right,
you got the fifty year option. Then you've got two
brands tanks. We're actually doing you a favor by by
(27:04):
letting you kind of do this, but again we have
to agree and the team that we would yeah, we'll
take Matt Judahn Kendrick Bourne a third round pick. And
then he's like, I'm never going there. So it's like, well,
then you're not going anywhere. So let's just here's our contract.
Are you really gonna pout about four years, one hundred
and five million dollars seventy million dollars guaranteep, Like, are
(27:24):
you gonna are you gonna pout on the dais if
eventually you just kind of tap out and sign that,
because he would be the first guy in league history
to sign a hundred million dollar contract. I'd argue in
any sport and be angry because that's what it feels
like right now. Dude, he's he knows he's stuck, and
he's just kind of playing this out because I know
(27:44):
this the forty nine ers, like Kyle's not happy. He
thinks this whole thing is like kind of getting ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Okay, what about Ceedee Lamb. Jerry said, he's not in
any sort of hurry. He's in the fifth year of
his rookie deal. They can frank tag him as well.
Jerry obviously has the DAK deal to worry about as
well as well as Michaeh. Parsons. What happens with CD Lamb.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
To me, that thing's a little different because like Cey
Lamb's a much better player than I you and I
mean you just look at the last two years. He's
got one hundred and seven or thirty five balls and
you know, over twenty touchdowns. So it's like, you know,
you're gonna pay him this kind of staring contest. Now,
I understand maybe from their standpoint, is he asking for like,
(28:33):
you know, two percent more than Justin Jefferson that they are.
You know, you saw this last year with Bosa, you
know Justin Jefferson. They it was kind of an easy
decision for him once they got rid of cousins, they
had a bunch of money to spend. The Cowboys aren't
a little bit more of a predicament, But these contracts
of one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty guaranteed
(28:54):
for a non quarterback are just typically pretty tough and
there's a lot of back and forth, but eventually these
teams sign it. So I think you could argue you
could do this last year with the Diners, Like ultimately
you were hoping to get him for a little cheaper.
But the end of the day, Nick Bosa, one, wouldn't
you have been better off just giving him that contract
on August first instead of September first? And that's the
(29:16):
same thing with the Cowboys, Like the number is going
to be astronomical, why not get him into camp right
now and make sure he's in shape and ready to
roll so when you play the Cleveland Browns, he hasn't
just had five or six days to get ready to practice.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
It's a great point. It's a great point. He's John Middlecoff.
Check out the podcast it's called three and Out. He
also has Going Low the Golf podcast as well, all
all available on the Volume podcast hour, Johnny the Best.
Enjoy the football tonight. We'll talk to you very soon.
See let's get to Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
No, no, this is the herd Line News. Doug, good morning.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
How are we doing right.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
It's great to be with you.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
We'll start where you guys left off with some NFL
news here. The Jets are being cautious with Aaron Rodgers
as he returns from that a toorn Achilles. In fact,
they're being so cautious that they held them out of
practice due to wet field conditions a little bit of
rain over there on the East Coast. Here's what head
coach Robert Sala had to say about the decision.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I just didn't want to expose him to it.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
If it was a game, if it was a practice,
if it was clean outside, you would have practiced today.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But call it over over protection.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
But it's just a decision I made. Now.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
It's also interesting here. Sala went on to say that
Rogers pushed back hard about holding him out of practice,
and this is just another instance where Rogers and Sala
not on the same page. Obviously, we had the whole
mini camp situation, which they've moved past. But It was
a little awkward the way that Sala said it was
an unexcused absence, and then Rogers also saying it was
(30:54):
news to him when he found out that he wasn't
playing in the preseason at all. Basically at the podium
one day when he was asked about Robert Sala saying
he was leaning against him not playing in the preseason.
So just a little bit of an awkward relationship dynamic
between these two.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I think there's a lot of awkward relationship dynamics with
Aaron Rodgers, right, Like he kind of is the king
of the awkward relationships. But he can still throw a
football really well. He's been through it all. There is
a legit question out there into is Robert Sala really
a good head coach?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It's fair they haven't had they haven't had a quarterback,
but there have been other coaching decisions that you question.
And that's very much going to come to play.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
This year, all right, And we will wrap it up
here with the story out of the NBA. Jalen Brunson's
contract extension with the Knicks was an estimated one hundred
and thirteen million, less than what he's eligible to sign
for next off season, leaving many to wonder why he
left so much money on the table. Well, here's Jalen
(31:56):
Brunson at his press conference talking about that decision.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
I just knew that if I did this, it would
give us a lot of flexibility and to help us
put us in a position to win. And I know
that a lot of people don't agree with it, that
a lot of people who are thinking like it's not
as smart from a personal standpoint, from an individual standpoint,
but I just know that what I'm I'm comfortable here.
(32:24):
This is home for me.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I mean, I think this is awesome.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Honestly, Brunson knows the financial flexibility is the only way
they'll potentially compete for a championship. And to be honest,
also like he if he continues to play at high level,
He's only twenty seven, He's about to turn twenty eight
in a couple of weeks. Here, he's gonna have another
chance at another big extension in his early thirties if
he's still doing what he does.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
No question, this is the thing we've been waiting for
for a long time in sports and Lebron James, I'll
take two million dollars less is not what we're talking about,
like this is a legit haircut. He's still gonna make
a ton of money. He'll make a ton of money
in endorsements, and he's in New York City. But this
gives him an actual chance to compete. Otherwise, you know,
based upon the money he would have been making, he
(33:12):
would have to be the number one player. As the
number one player, I don't think you win a championship,
and I think Jalen even knows that it's a sacrifice
of ego that we should champion, just like we should
champion the guys who don't play very much in USA basketball.
What have you done? The only thing that matter is
if the team wins, and Jalen Brunson knows we ain't winning.
(33:32):
If I'm making way more money than everybody else, don't
have enough money to spend round. That's why my music
with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd line.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
News all right, Coming up next in the Herd, is
there really a quarterback competition in Pittsburgh? Let's dive in
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Speaker 3 (34:24):
It's dog gottlieb shit. Oh sorry, it's the herd. I
mean the Doug gotleibp SHO usually follows this show on
most Fox Sports radio stations. Welcome in. Do you know
there's stories out there that you're led to believe and
(34:46):
you go like, yam, I'm not buying it, dum, not
buying it, and not one I'm not saying things are
not backed by factual data. I'm just talking about making
kind of common sense. Right, So here here's common sense.
Justin Fields, Okay, Justin Fields was acquired by the Pittsburgh Steelers, right,
(35:15):
and so if you if you remember back, okay, they
the Bears clearly were shopping him wanted to trade him.
Had the number one overall pick. Okay had the number
one over a pick. So the Bears got a sixth
round pick that could turn into a fourth round pick.
(35:37):
Now I understand that when you take on a quarterback
and one who may want a new contract, well, now
it gets super interesting, right you know if you it's
like uh, Brandon Ayuk and his Ayuk and his actual value.
One of the reasons it's not as high as you
(35:59):
know if it's just player for whatever trade is because
in addition to acquiring him, you have to give him
a new contract, you have to give him a new contract.
Look justin fields you got for a six round pick.
And here's the beauty to it. He's going in the
year four of his contract. He makes one point six
(36:20):
million dollars this year and one point six million in
a roster bonus. So for a backup quarterback who has
started for two years better part of three years in
the NFL as your backup, he's gonna make three point
two million dollars. That's who the caphit is. It's one
point two percent of your overall salary. So then you
(36:44):
look at Russell Wilson and his contract because you're like, well,
Russell Wilson, he's he's not making very much this year.
You're right, Russell Wilson's also only making one point two
million dollars. So dollar for dollar, it doesn't matter. The
difference is that they signed Russell Wilson after he was released.
(37:07):
Signed Russell Wilson after he was released. He would not
have signed there. I don't believe unless he got a promise,
he's going to start. And as much as plenty of
coaches have you know, last three coaches have said like, yeah,
no on Russell Wilson anymore. Seattle, let him go, Denver
first year, disaster, second year, no matter what the numbers
look like. Sean Payton, who knows quarterbacks, would rather pay
(37:30):
him the biggest walking number ever instead of having him
as your quarterback. So three different coaches have said, I
think Russell Wilson's best football is behind him. That said,
no one in the NFL was willing to pony up
to get Justin Fields as a starter, and you can
(37:52):
be modestly successful would be the guests for Pittsburgh with
great surrounding talent, good running game, good offensive line, good
wide receivers, with the guy I could just get the
ball there as opposed to Justin Fields. I just I
don't buy that there's a quarterback competition. Maybe should there be? Maybe,
and organically there probably will be, because I just don't
(38:12):
think Russell Wilson's any good anymore. But the idea that
Justin Fields is going to play tonight is playing in
some sort of audition. I don't buy it.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
The whole league has three years of tape on him,
and the whole league is determined he's more backup than
he is a starter. And it's really hard to fix
somebody's footwork, vision, accuracy. I mean, he's got the whole
package as an athlete, and he's got plenty good enough arm,
So it's all those other things. I just don't see
(38:45):
it being fixed. And I promises are a real thing.
You don't get Russell Wilson at one point two million
dollars unless you promised him he would start. He's going
to start. There is no controversy. There's no controversy. I
had a really good show for you upcoming here in
the herd. It's it's a Friday. It's a Friday. We
(39:06):
got Mark Stein's gonna join us next hour. Wait to
hear what Jerry Jones said about the urgency in these
new deals. Eric Mangini, the man genius is gonna join us,
Plus Jason McIntyre. Now, guys, you tracked down j Mack.
Is he on vacation? Is he working on the TV side?
How did you track down Jmack?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
How do we track him down?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Doug?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, I called him. You just called him.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I texted him. What do you think he won't respond
to us. We work with him every day.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I don't know when he's off. He's off like some
dudes when they're off there like, Hey, I'm off the grid,
don't text me, don't call me.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I mean, I feel like j Mack would always respond.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Now whether j MA is always trying to post, you know,
videos of him playing pick up, Yes, in a tank TODs, Yeah,
in a tank top on the beach, somewhere in a pool,
like j Max's always reachable, Okay, Plus he likes to
talk about these these now cod We let Cowherd be
when he's off. Yeah, you know, he's mostly off. We
(40:08):
let cowhard be, but Jay Mack.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Usually there's a travel involved with Cowherd being off.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Right.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Chicago, Rhode Island, Colorado. Right, he always he hits up
one of those three spots. There is the occasional you'll
call Colin on this time off and you're like, how's
Rhode Island, Colorado? And Chicago? And He's like, no, I'm
just at my place. I'm just at my place in La.
I'm just having a day to myself. Like, oh, that
that sounds lovely. Who has time for that? But yes,
(40:36):
I do get the sense that when Colin's off, Colin's off,
don't call me, don't worry about it. I don't want
to know about it. When Jay Mack when he's off, like,
you want to call me, I'll pop on. So j
Mack wants to We're going to debate the Jason Tatum
think because I saw on his uh, I saw I
didn't listen to his daily pod that he still can't
(40:56):
believe Jason Tatum didn't get minutes, Like, I just I
can't believe this is still a thing to any human
being now, I just can't, Like, did you watch the game?
Understand the all of the different backflips you have to
do to make sure you get dudes in and find
the right thing. And when you find the right thing
(41:16):
that you don't sub again. You just don't. You leave
it all right? Coming up next, Wait to hear Jerry
Jones said about his urgency level getting cd LAMANUE contract.
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Join me on this podcast as I navigate the murky waters of human behavior, current events, and personal anecdotes through in-depth interviews with incredible people—all served with a generous helping of sarcasm and satire. After years as a forensic and clinical psychologist, I offer a unique interview style and a low tolerance for bullshit, quickly steering conversations toward depth and darkness. I honor the seriousness while also appreciating wit. I’m your guide through the twisted labyrinth of the human psyche, armed with dark humor and biting wit.