December 18, 2023 • 40 mins
Colin loves what he's seeing from the Bills recently as their season was on the edge of disaster
He looks at the Cowboys and the alarming trend developing that could upend their Super Bowl aspirations
Why Christian McCaffrey deserves consideration for NFL MVP.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It is on Monday live in Los Angeles. It's the
Hurt wherever you may be, and however you may be
listening or watching things for making that's part of your day.
One hour from now. Where Colin was right, where Colin
was wrong, plenty of both. Jmax, You're all waiting. You
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thought it was gonna be the game of the day.
It was gonna be close, physical on both sides. We
did not transpire that way.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
An amazing Sunday of games. But boy, you and I
am we're right.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
They're wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
This past weekend, well let's start with this. Thirty one
ten Buffalo Hammers Dallas Road, Dallas Road Deck, Josh Allen
seven to fifteen. That's it. One touchdown, no picks, ninety
four yards passing. Actually, that's closer to how I want
Josh Allen used, it really is. It's like those early
Big Ben Steelers teams. Defensive coach, defensive culture, stout, running game, physical,
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both sides of the ball. And then this six six,
two hundred and sixty pound towering quarterback with a big
arm kid two three times a game, make a huge throws.
That's what won trophies. Because this version we've seen last
few years where Josh Allen Superman's not winning trophies. They
moved from Ken Dorsey to Joe Brady at coordinator, and
I'm seeing stuff. I like, they're just not calling plays anymore.
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They're more reliant on their run. They found James Cook
and they're using him. Less reliant on Stefan Diggs. Remember
it gets cold in December, January, February. Can't be reliant
on the ball downfield. They're less reliant on Superman plays.
Remember the Steelers. Those trophies dried up the more reliant
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they got on Big Ben when they asked him to
throw forty five times. Just because you have a quarterback
with godlike talent does not mean you have to squeeze
every ounce of it every Sunday to carry the team. Occasionally,
like last night, Yesterday, Josh Allen can be a complimentary player.
Yesterday he was a second pitch and a highly effective one. Now,
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I'm not a huge proponent of defensive cultures in twenty
twenty three football, but we do have a history here.
When you get a great defensive coach with a star
quarterback Tomlin, Big Ben in his prime, Belichick, Brady, Jimmy Johnson,
Troy Aikman, Pete, Carolyn Russ and his prime, you hoist
trophies and you get to Super Bowls, don't have to
win them all that you get there. And we keep
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waiting for Buffalo with all this talented Josh Allen to
get there, and I think this is the way you
get there that it looks like that Ben, when Ben
was throwing twenty two times a game and not forty two.
Strong run game, tough defense, very physical, great at home.
Now it's not nearly as much fun to watch Buffalo
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as it was a few years ago when it was
Mahomes and Josh Allen and he was going thirty seven
for fifty one for three touchdown. That was way more fun.
Is a video game? Those the best games I've ever seen, maybe,
But this is how I hold trophies. This is how
you do it. Did you have a star quarterback, but
he can be a complimentary player. First down yesterday, twenty
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eight in the game, the most rushing yards under Sean
McDermott two sixty six, time of possession thirty five, heavy
doses of James Cook, occasionally eat to Stefon Diggs, occasionally
asking Josh Allen to make a play. That's the scary buffalo,
that's the hole to trophy buffalo thirty eight to thirty six.
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Kansas City CINCINNATAI games way more fun to watch. I'm
not interested in the TV show bills. I'm interested in
the trophy bills. James Cook leading away, defense and physicality
leading away, loved it. Josh Allen afterwards.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
James ran hard, Tay ran hard, Ty ran hard. You know,
and when you when you can stay in front of
the sticks like we did today. I don't know how
many third downs we had, but it couldn't have been
that many. I don't think I threw the ball that
many times, which again, I don't just get it done.
Let's just find the way to win. And you know,
it felt like the kid that didn't do anything in
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the class project. But got a But again, I'll do
this ten times out of ten times.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Let me tell you something. If Buffalo runs the ball
like that that you want no part of. You want
no part of a Buffalo team that can run and
Josh Allen can throw it on second and four and
third and one, that's frightening. Who doubts I got my homes,
I got Burrow, you got Josh Allen. Okay, you can't
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run the ball. But Buffalo running the ball, physical both sides,
getting a big pass rush, and then Josh complimentary four
or five times a game puts on the cape that
I think is unbeatable. And that's the best game they've played,
in my opinion, in a couple of years. You saw
it on display. Okay, So the Dallas Cowboys, what do
we make of that? Outside of the San Francisco forty
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nine ers, the best team in the league. This is
a very situational league. This happens all the time to
good teams. In fact, the bet of the week next
week in the NFL take Dallas to beat Miami. Dallas
humiliated and pushed around faces Miami who flexed against an
AWFLA Jets team. Dallas is going to have the hardest
week of practice in two years. Remember when they got
beat by San Francisco. When good teams get humillion and
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not just beat but literally mocked, pushed around, bullied, Dallas
is gonna be fine in a week, But there is
a just being trend. Road dack and trailing DAK doesn't
even resemble home dack and leading DACK. The second problem
is three of their four losses they've been absolutely shelled
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Arizona by twelve, San Francisco by thirty two, Bills by
twenty one. Why what is it? My hunch is this,
The Cowboys are a glamour franchise and the NFL and
Dallas is getting younger. Teams are younger and younger people,
mood swings up, down, less mature. When I watch Dallas,
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I see a team with a lot of talent. I
do not see a team with a lot of composure.
They're like a teenager. You get these big mood swings
from a sweetheart to demonic after a bag of skittles.
They just don't know how to act all the time.
They don't have any composure. They get down and they panic,
They get down and they get rattled, and they try
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to make a big play and they compound their problems.
So and the problem with that is if you look
at Dallas's road to the super Bowl, now, it's gonna
be a road road journey at Philly, at San Francisco,
at Detroit. Lines are great at home at Tampa, Baker
Mayfield now playing ball at Los Angeles, which would be
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a Cowboy home game, but none the same. You know
what Dallas is on the road, Dak's not the same.
Team's not the same, physicality's not the same. It is
a different team. Now, I'm not selling my Cowboy stock.
There's not a lot of great in the NFC. I mean,
Detroit week to week, you don't know what you get.
Philadelphia is reeling. Rams are on fire, but limited. I mean,
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there's not a lot of great. By the way Dallas
Dallison home games left. There'll be a different team in
a week against Miami. And I like their personnel, I
still do. I like a lot of it. But inconsistent
people and inconsistent coaching and inconsistent teams don't wear rings.
And Dallas remains the most penalized team in the league,
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the most tenuous and nebulous on the road, the most inconsistent,
one in three against winning teams and the DAC part.
At home, he's seven to zero and one hundred and
twenty two passer rating. On the road, he's three and
four and it drops to eighty four. He is like
a different player entirely on the road. They're almost like
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a college team. They protect their home floor, their home stadium,
and their atrocious kids, panicking mood swings on the road,
and Mike McCarthy addressed it.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
We play so well at home and there's just too
big of a gap in our road games. I don't
think anybody expected to play the way we did tonight.
They played well. I don't want to discredit their performance,
but yeah, we got to be We gotta be much
better on a road, regardless of what's in front of us.
We're in all the other conversations because there's two big
of a gap between home and away.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Generally, when you have kids, the less mature the kids are,
the more trouble they are on a road trip. Right
like that's Dallas. They are a glamour franchise, young in spots,
highly emotional, a little immature, and panic on the road
get into their fields quickly. Panic on the road. The
great teams in this league. I always feel like with Baltimore,
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I kind of get the same team, you know, I
always feel like that. I kind of feel like with
New England and their prime, I get the same team
Rams this year, I get the same team. They got
older players on offense. But when I get this Dallas team,
it's insane, very collegiate because they're young in certain key spots.
But I'm not selling my Cowboys stock. It is a
situational league outside of the Niners. Is that week to
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week depending on what happened last week and this week.
For the record, our pick of my pick of the
weekend was Detroit. They were humiliated the previous week. I
also like Buffalo because I thought Dallas would go on
the road and feel themselves. So the Cowboys play my
next week, I think they're gonna be good. It was Peckham.
It's not anymore. I would take Dallas. It's one of
the better bets of the week. But it is disturbing
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because to get to the super Bowl, it's gonna be
a series of road games, and this team three road
games in a row. I'm just wanting them to play well.
Once on the road against the good team and I've
yet to see it. So Jmac. Now we get into
Brock pretty MVP stuff. Whoa, whoa, whoa?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Were we done with Dallas already? He just put them
to the side. You say better the week in Miami.
The only thing that gives me a little pause is, uh,
Mike McDaniel comes from which coaching tree is that?
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I forget what?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
San Francisco?
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Yeah, strong run game.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Buffalo just ran.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
All over Dallas.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Is Miami gonna run all over the moster well touchdowns
that'll be seventy five percent Cowboy fans at that stadium.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's a home game for Dallas and it's warm weather,
so they'll be fine there. But I listen, I think
it's easy this's morning to say Dallas is terrible. They're
obviously not terrible, but they are an immature team that
can pan on the road and try to quickly assolve
their issues. They kind of bail on a game plan,
get into individual plays and DAK. This is one of
the reasons whenever you criticize DAK, the fanboys come out
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of the woodwork. But what creates greatness is the ability
to play under duress, trailing in games big pass rujh yeah,
no run game. That's what separates Brady and Mahomes and
Burrow playing with a bad old line. Dak is very
good when comfortable. When trailing on the road a little off,
he can be bad, like really bad.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I love that Buffalo game plan. I've run the ball
and dump offs. MICHAEH. Parsons.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Did he make a play Yesterday's incredible on a milk carton.
It's almost like Miami and McDaniel are going to see
that and be like, hmm, I know how to scheme
Michael Parsons out of the game, which is run the foot.
Now Miami can't run offensive line the little banged up,
but they do have a good, strong rushing game with
Mostard and Achan.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
That's gonna be another great weekend of football ahead.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
YEP.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
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Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well. San Francisco hammered another team forty five twenty nine
over Arizona. Brock Purty through for you know, four touchdowns,
that's what he does, and Dak Prescott struggling Purty's gonna
get a lot of MVP talk, but I still contend
that Christian McCaffrey is the Niners MVP, not Purty. So
I think it's hard to win the league MVP when
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you're not the most valuable player on your own team.
Christian McCaffrey is the world's best running back. Brock Purty's
a good quarterback, maybe very good. Maybe I'm under selling him,
but I see other worldly talent here. The NFL's reluctance
to give running backs the MVP award has now risen
to comical. He's on pace to have twenty four touchdowns
and twenty two hundred yards on a team that is
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stacked Kittle I Yuke Debo. They're stacked with weapons, and
he can finish with a touchdown and a half a
game and twenty two hundred yards. That's unbelievable. And this
league is reluctant to feed running backs, to embrace running backs,
to pay running backs. And yet San Francisco is nineteen
eighty eight football. They are old school. He's the typewriter
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re emerging. Feed him the ball. I think twenty years
from now, it's going to look really silly if this
Niner team was to win a Super Bowl, and you're
gonna be like, my god, Christian McCaffrey had twenty four
touchdowns in twenty twenty and they had debo and how
you can kittle in Hall of Famers, he didn't win
the MVP. Now they give to brock perty where's he at? Well,
they didn't want to pay him eventually three years later,
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So he's a bouncing around the league. Like at some point,
are we ever going to embrace a running back? Like,
if you're not gonna embrace Christian McCaffrey, And I've said
all this nonsense about running backs not getting paid. Yeah
they do, Yeah they do. They just don't get paid
as much. They don't get paid second, third, and fourth contracts.
But if you're not gonna embrace Christian McCaffrey, if you're
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not gonna consider him for MVP, then just I mean,
make up new guidelines because what you're seeing, I think
he's the most talented running back ever. I think Barry
Sanders could run like nothing I've ever seen, and Walter
Payton's up there too, but in terms in terms of
blocking and catching and making people miss and running past
them and running and power and Finanse. It's as good
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as anything I've ever seen. And he's the best player
on the team, on a team with a Bosa and
a Kiddle and a Debo, he's the best player on
the team. Twenty four touchdowns on pace twenty tw hundred
yards in this era is insane. It makes no sense.
And if you're going to be historically amazing, then you
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should be the recipient of honors and award. That's why
we have these honors in the wards. They go into books,
they go into museums, and they go into Hall of Fames,
and you take your kids and you're like, oh, yeah,
it was one of the great years of all time,
not because a quarterback handed it him the ball and
threw them swing passes, And I like, pretty this is
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not an anti party, it's a pro CMC. It's a
pro Cusha McCaffrey. It's the best player in the planet
at his position. Having the best year is a top
ten year all the time, and running back don't have
top ten years anymore. Like that's over, that's the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties,
early two thousands. That's not what they do. So to
do this now on a roster that has stacked is
just insane to me. Even Brock purtties acknowledging that's the dude.
Speaker 9 (15:19):
Just his grit to continue to drive his legs and
get extra yards and inches like, and then goes off
to the sideline and he's immediately you know, using their
guns and moving his body. He just non stop moving
and so but we all respect it. Man like, he's
the guy who does it all. And then he would
put him out of the slot and throw him a ball,
and he just does everything. I think Christian should be MVP.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I think I really do believe that.
Speaker 9 (15:41):
You know, he does everything for us, runs the ball, well,
can catch the ball. He does everything, and so in
my eyes, that's an MVP.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
If not. Now when for a running back? Jmack with the.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
News, No, no.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
This is the herd line.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Somehow I knew that was coming. Rock Perty has another
magnificent game and coward quadrupling now with Christop McCaffrey. Liz,
I like it.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's a it's a strong case, not accurate, it's not right,
but I dig it.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Let's get started with the Sunday night football game.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
How about that Baltimore with a statement win over reeling
Jacksonville and the underwhelming Trevor Lawrence twenty three to seven.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Number one seed now in the AFC, the better conference.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, listen, Lamar Jackson two hundred sixty eight total yards, touchdown,
did have an interception that was pretty gross.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
I love this for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I thought this game was a lot more about Jacksonville
and made.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So many wounds, like first of all, but yeah, you
know what, somebody creates those though, like the miss field
goals to fumble. I mean, I think Baltimore puts a
lot of pressure on you, Like, why is everybody played
so poorly against Baltimore? Seattle, in Detroit, Jacksonville, good teams
played poorly. Why is everybody played so poorly against San Francisco?
Because they ratchet up the heat and the intensity. You know,
the heart of Dallas looking awful last night is Buffalo
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didn't look like that against you know, they don't look
like that week after week against other teams. So it's
like to me, Baltimore ratchets up the heat, the intensity,
the pass rush, the hitting's harder, and you fall behind
him and then it's Lamar and you can't stop him.
They get first down, you get desperate, So I think
Buffalo and Baltimore created the messes for those teams.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Maybe it's like a Wednesday topic, but this Trevor Lawrence
situation is troubling.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
I know you love him. Other folks that just network
love him.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Trevor Lawrence last night running in the red zone and
just loses the football like.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
There's no rain.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I don't know what happened there. Then he had another
fumble Colin in plus territory. Listen, I just I don't
know what's going on with Trevor Lawrence. I know he
is a generational talent. We loved him coming out. Sometimes
it takes a while for these things to make Like
it's year three. I haven't seen the greatness he's I mean, listen.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Well, they did win a playoff game, like they did
run a playoff.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Which you look at the stats this year, he's middle
of the pack across the board.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
I'm not saying he's a fifteenth quarterback in the league.
But he was bad.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And it's not just this Ravens game, Like he hasn't
delivered at all. I'm not selling my Lawrence stock, but
I think at some point I saw one of these pundits,
these draft guys say, well, Jaguar's got to go out
and get him more help.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
They actually said, Trevor Lawrence needs skill position help.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Go on.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
They got Ridley, They spent a.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Lot of money on Kirk Evan Ingram's a good tight end,
Travis et N's the first round pick, Zay Jones like.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
They got weapons.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, that's not the issue.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
At some point, like someone, I know, you don't want
to push, not your guy, but it beit Trevor Lawrence
is playing not quite like Doodoo, but he's down there.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
No, he has not a good year. He's been inconsistent,
a lot of things to blame for it, but he's
a big part of it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Absolutely, let's go to a positive quarterback. Colin Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Holy boy, I do not like Green Bay's defense. I
know Baker played well, and I'll give him credit. I
would sign him to another year. You know what, he's
the best quarterback in that division, and the best quarterback
is winning virtually every year.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
If you're only signing him to another year, someone else
is signing him to more than that.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Because he has looked this season Colin.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, he's been inconsistent, but on his days he's been
very good.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
For instance, one stat I saw an air yard passes
of ten or more this season.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
He was like forty one percent this season.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah yesterday ten of eleven for two hundred yards and
two touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
He's been in and that's the knock on Baker. He's inconsistent.
But I will say this, he's the best quarterback in
that division after watching Derek Carr, and I would defended
Derek Carr for years. Baker's better throws, a better ball,
plays with the more Hutzu is willing to throw the
ball down the field, and Baker deserves all the credit.
I would sign him for another year. And the problem
for Tampa not a bad problem, but they have a
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good roster. They're going to make the playoffs potentially, and
so they're going to be way too deep to get
a quarterback. Now they have the pieces to trade. They
got some really nice players. But this team, here's the downside.
I think he just signed Bake. I think your role
with Baker you draft a quarterback second round, maybe late first.
They don't have a ton of needs. I mean, they
have a good football team. Crazy, but I think Baker
in this division, I think he's perfect for the pirate
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ship known as the Buccaneers. He's got an attitude. It's
a wonky division. When Baker's your quarterback, you tend to
play with u certain spirit and ego. Now now he
can be he's very much. He plays well when he's confident.
He loses it quickly and can regress badly in games.
But I gotta tell you the dysfunction in Cleveland, Tampa's
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not as dysfunctional. They have a good GM. They draft
good players. I mean I covered them for years. They
haven't always been good, but they've always had good players. Yeah,
they don't rush to fire coaches. They tend to give
coaches a little more time. And my takeaway is this
is a really good spot for the rebirth of Baker's career,
and I'd give him another year.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Baker does have the same number of playoff wins as
Trevor Lawrencey. He won one in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
The thing I loved about yesterday the resilience. You saw
that fumble inside the five. Yes, he just like get
a complete lack of awareness. Packers score and I'm thinking
Packers they got this.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
They're at home.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Packers are gonna run away. Your boy, Jordan Love and
Baker just the rest of the game. He was like
almost flawless. I gotta tell you, we thought they would
be selling parts Godwin Evans at the deadline.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
They're in the play They're gonna be making the playoffs.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, and they got weapons and a quarterback and they
have a defensive coach, so they usually played pretty well defensively.
I would say this though, green Bay underachieves on defense.
And nothing against Joe Berry, but I'm sorry, green Bay
should be better on defense. How many first round players
do they have on that defense?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
It was six or seven one?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, Like they really do not play good enough consistently.
They have good halves, but there were it wasn't just
that Tampa and Baker were rolling. There were huge holes
all over this defense. There were big gashes, bad tackling,
bad on third down. So it's like at some point
you gotta and to go get a great defensive coordinator.
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You got to spend like three million bucks in college.
You could make two million doing that in the SEC.
So you got to go spend some big moy money
now and get a defensive coordinator because this isn't working.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I don't want to do what Jordan love thing here.
But he was throwing to like all rookies yesterday.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I don't know if you noticed this thing. The kid
wicks him. I picked him up at Fantasy Delivered, But
like they're throwing to all rookies.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
They got a lot of young women. We all we
knew green Bay was a year away. It's the transition year,
Aaron's first year, his first year. So I never thought
of Green Bay. I thought they'd be like a seven
win team. They're better than I thought, but they end
up looking like a seven win team, which is they're
gonna end up with what they should be. But this
is a the youngest team in the league. I don't
think yesterday offense is the story. The story is the
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defense was dashed, not just because it was gashed by Baker.
But it's one thing to give up the points they
gave up. It's another when it esthetically looks like.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
That at home.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I got to ask you about Jordan Love, like you
remember they didn't want to lock him in for the future.
You've had, You've seen some ups and downs, Like he's
gonna come to you and say, guys, I.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Thought I was good. I thought i'd seen it. Expectations
I want a three or four year deal, and you're
gonna say what.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I think right now. Jordan Love with young receivers is inconsistent.
But I've seen enough to feel like next year we
can be a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
So he's gonna want some money in the offseason his contract.
He's not going there down the position. They're not paying
anybody else. Who are they paying an offense. The tight
ends are kids, the receivers are kids. They're not paying
anybody except Aaron Jones.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
You're keeping Jordan Love.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I think he's improved, and I think we have to
be realistic. This is the youngest offense in the league,
so what are they hot and cold? I'm more bothered
by the defense, which has guys that have been in
this league for five years. Like this defense, there's no
excuse for this. The offense, this is what the youngest
offense in the league looks like. They drop. I'll tell
you something though, Reid Love wicks the kid wicks. No, No,
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they got it.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
They have.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
They have more good receivers drafted in the last two
years than New England's done in twenty. They have at
These young players are twitchy and fast. Reid is really sensational.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Final story is the Texans my one loss on the
in the contest yesterday I had the Titans. The Texans
just an incredible comeback. This team backup quarterback with CJ.
Stroud out, the wide receiver, weapons were down. They remember
they lost Tank Dell, they were missing another and this
case Keenum just delivered with an unbelievable come back down
thirteen nothing. I believe he had two hundred twenty nine
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yards touchdown Devin Singletary. I mean, what a revelation. He's
been one hundred and twenty one yards. Yeah, they win
in overtime nineteen sixteen.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
I'm stunned.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
This was one of the bigger surprises for me yesterday.
But this Houston team, Demiko Ryans is going to be
in Coach of the Year consideration. It's either it feels
like Himer Stefanski, but what a job by Houston and
you know Case Keenum.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You know what I like about Demiko Ryans is a
lot of these coaches are stoic, but like the young
guys like mcveil, go crazy on the sideline. He'll be
running do it sprints up the sidelines. Demiko Ryans has
got a little fan in him and mcveado's two that
you get this young cut, unharnessed appreciation like Demko. You
could just see it.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
He's felt like.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Robert Salah early jetsiars now he's maybe a early Jet
game one. I guess just one final thing. You talk
about not betting the Atlanta Falcons anymore?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Right, you're done with it? No, I lost an officially
done with the Tennessee Titan.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I can't bet four or against them because Will Levis
I mean, you watch it. He got killed in the
pocket like this took seven sacks. Derek Henry, by the way,
after the game is basically like, yeah, I think my
time is done. Yere, They're like ten yards on thirty carries.
The Tennessee Titans are like Vrabel. I know is a
good coach, but this team is just Oh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Know why people. Yeah, you know what I bet this
weekend good quarterbacks, And even though I lost a game
in Arizona, I had fun watching my quarterback play Like
I'm just I'm just over watching awful quarterback play and
hoping they cover. I bet Sean McVay and Matt Stafford,
and I bet Jared Goff at home and I bet
Josh Allen at home. I just went with good quarterbacks
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in good spots, and it's like, it's so much more fun.
Even if you lose, you feel like.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
You Bailey's Appy against the Chiefs getting a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Gosh, j McK with the news.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
The Chicago Bears five and eight blew a ten point
lead in Law despite three interceptions to Joe Flacco. This
loss by the Bears kind of sums up Justin Field's
promising moments. Lots of home big arm lost nineteen of
forty passer rating of forty six. He's just not consistent enough.
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Old Joe Flacco was clearly the better quarterback in the
second half. Old Joe Flacco, who just got off the couch.
The Bears eight possessions in the second half, a field goal,
but Colin the drops, Yeah, Patrick, missus Mahomes has holed
my beer. The drops. You want to know the three
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teams in the NFL that lead in drops Kansas City,
Cleveland and Detroit. Jared Goff has ten wins, third most
drops in the league. Drops happen all the time, Mahomes
and his receivers. It's an epidemic, and they're still winning
games home in a way I don't want to hear
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about drops. You produced a field goal in the entire
second half in thirty five starts for justin fields. He
has thirty nine turnovers, two more yesterday. He gets hurt.
He's erratic. And here's the other troubling problem is that
when you really need quarterbacks in this league, fourth quarter
he is awful. He is an awful He's the worst
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fourth quarter quarterback for a starter, arguably.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
His fourth quarter stats this year fifty one percent completion
rate of fifty five passer rating and yesterday was three
of nine with a pick like that's you can't do that.
You can scuff it in football games. You gotta deliver late,
and he is once he's off script and he's up
to his own discretion. It's bad. And you can keep
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blaming drops. Chicago entering yesterday fifth fewest dropped passes in
the league. You can keep blaming defense or defense. This
has actually played well for the last six to seven games.
Montez Sweat trade was a great deal for them. He's
a monster getting to the quarterback, Well, this guy and
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that guy. They have given him a number one receiver,
they added another tight end, they've given draft capital to
the front line. Left tackles pretty good, They've made a
lot of moves. It doesn't work. You can't be last
or close to last with fourth quarter stats. You just
can't be. And we got thirty five starts.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I think he's got talent, but I want to restart
the clock. I don't want to pay him. Caleb Williams,
to me, has more natural talent. But if you start
looking at this stuff yesterday, and it's a prime example,
seventeen to seven lead, your defense is getting picks and
you can't move the ball in the second half, can't
move it. Where do you want me to go with it?
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It's not like they have I mean they even tried
and took a swing on Chase Claypool second round pick,
which was a mistake. They're trying left tackles, good offensive
coordinator from a rival Green Bay. Get him a number
one ride receiver, get them another tight end. They're trying.
They're really try, unlike Carolina, which gives Bryce Young nothing.
They're trying, and it's just too erratic and doesn't work
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and they lose too much. And here's Justin after.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
They have a talented back end. Of course, they were
missing some guys today, but they're d line that that
front makes their defense go. You know, I have some
receivers down field, and you know, this game, I'm trying
to anticipate where they're going to be. You know, I can't.
I can't see the guys because you know, just because
they're not sacking, he doesn't mean that they're not you know,
affecting in the play. So no, I think they did
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a good job. Props to them. They played a great game,
and yeah, it's gotta be better.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Listen, eight possessions a field goal. In the end, it's
a production business, and the reality is a lot of
people have talent, but you don't have a salary cap
for coaching. Eber Flus in the defense look significantly better
than six weeks ago. And Justin Fields has more. He
has quarters, he has drives, he has plays. His hail
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Mary pass. That's how you throw hail Mary pass. And
Tanya dropped a touchdown path absolutely, I mean Kadarius Tony
dropped the ball yesterday. It became an interception for New England.
Drops happened. Chicago's not one of the leading teams in
the NFL entering yesterday and drops Detroit is and they've
got ten wins. You got to overcome it. We say
this all the time. The great quarterbacks, the franchise quarterbacks
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are overcomers. Maybe a bad right tackle, a bad center,
injuries during the season, can have eight possessions in a
field goal. And I know, I know, I know Cleveland's
defense is good, but at some point you got to
start paying justin fields. I would rather start the clock,
move him, get a second round pick. I think he can.
I think he's talented, but it's just it just feels
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like that is I've seen too much of that. Had it, defense,
stepped up, got picks, head field position, second half nothing.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
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Speaker 2 (31:31):
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Speaker 5 (31:50):
All Right.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
When an impulsive owner like the Jets have is watching
a bad team like the Jets are, and they have
key decisions to make at the end of the season,
you don't want it to look like that. The Jets
losing thirty nothing to Miami four total yards in the
first half. The team had no fight defensively, and Tyreek
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Hill didn't even play offensive line. Machayak Beckton is laughing
going into the locker room. A weird handling of Zach
Wilson in a head injury has Robert Sala lost the team,
So congratulations. Aaron Rodgers is healthier earlier than expected, could play,
probably won't, but he's coming back, and you gave the
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franchise to him. So what you have one good receiver,
you never throw in the ball. The offensive lines a
mess outside of one or two players. Your offensive coordinator,
Aaron's buddy, Nat Hackett's not very good. This franchise in
desperate businesses and desperate teams do desperate things. Handed the
franchise to a thirty nine year old quarterback who could
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beat prickly and never appreciated the stability of green Bay.
Green Bay is not cool, but they're stable. I know
the Jets were cooler. They're unstable. How's it working out
for you? And he needed to use leverage, So he
got his buddy offensive coordinator, and he got a receiver
he wanted, and he got his way, and it's done nothing.
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Same miserable franchise, in the same miserable spot. And the
problem to me is what the Jets need is leadership.
That was always my knock on Aaron. Aaron's great talent,
but he's not a foxhole guy. He's a finger pointer.
He's great when things are comfortable. If you go look
at his career numbers, Aaron has a bizarrely low number
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of come from behind wins, like way lower than Stafford
or Matt Ryan, even Derek Carr, Andy Dalton, because I
always said he's a Bayler, not a baller. He's good
when good things are comfortable, but in crisis, he didn't
want any part of it. And by the way, the Jets,
and I've been a Robert solid defender, they're starting to
look like the LA Chargers, which is wildly inconsistent. I
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think their defense at times quits. They haven't handled the
quarterback well and I'm not really sure consistently what they
do well. Now. I think Saul is much more capable
than Brandon Staley, who was completely over his head. But
you gave Aaron all this power. It's the same laughable
Jets season, and here's Robert Saul.
Speaker 11 (34:24):
After you put together the best plans, the best plans possible.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes not. But overall, just from coaching
and execution, all of it on the offensive side, it
just wasn't good enough.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
Today.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
God, New York sports teams are awful, just bad, just
a circus. So let's talk a Saturday night special. So
we had told you our favorite play of the week
was Detroit back home against Denver. I like Denver, this
was a tough spot Lions had been humiliated. Lions are
great at home. They're a very good Dome team. So
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Sean Payton now Kenny and hide his frustration with Russell Wilson.
Can't hide it. He banged on him at the podium
earlier in the year about the wristbands. I was banging
on him this weekend. Not only are they opposite personalities,
Russell is relentlessly optimistic. Sean is authentic, emotional, demanding and critical.
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But Russell Wilson isn't Breeze the passer or Taysom Hill
the athlete. So Sean Payton isn't getting elite with either
one of them. And I got to tell you this,
This relationship with Breeze and Peyton was so great that
invariably this was going to be a disappointment. And you know,
I was hopeful he could turn Russell around, and he has.
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You're getting a lot of Russell and Seattle, but I
was just hoping it wouldn't be combative because they're literally
different people. I know both, they're totally different people. But
now it's combative. Now after the game, Sean Peyton was
pressed on that interaction.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
The frustrating part of the sequence was the next run,
So we'll leave it at that.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
You know, as you want to wait years.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
No, I said. The frustrating part of the sequence was
the next play to Burton where we scored.
Speaker 10 (36:11):
Did your upside of the call?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I what were you yawing at?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Russell?
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Lost? Listen? Would I talked with Russell abouts none of
your business?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And he's right, it is none of our business. We
can ask about it, but he does not have to
provide an answer. But I just think these are different people.
I don't think it's a perfect fit. I think if
you ask Sean Payton and he now has the power
in the building, he's helped fix the defense, he's got
Russell being as good as he can possibly be, I
think he would move off him and take a huge
cap hit for a year. But the thing what's happening
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is Sean Payton had Drew Brees for years and it
was a perfect marriage. Their personalities are demanding, an intense
and authentic and it was perfect. And so this invariably
was not going to be great. But Drew Brees was
a little small, and Sean worked around that and designed
play and Breeze hit on him, and as Greg co
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Sell says, the film proves he's designed. In the same plays,
they're still open and Russ can't hit him.
Speaker 12 (37:11):
The Sean Payton's of the world, as you well know,
they spend a lot of time putting together their offense,
their game plan, the structure of what they want to do,
the route concepts, the route combinations, so they expect those
things to be executed on Sundays. Russell Wilson does not
execute those at a high enough percentage. But he's an
eye dropper. He looks at the rush and the result
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of that is that he doesn't see throws that need
to be made, so he leaves throws on the field.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And this is something that Greg Cosel been doing this
forty four years, has talked to me about several times.
The plays are there. Sean Payton has a history with
Breeze that he hit those things ninety five percent of
the time, and he's not hitting them. So between the
personality clash, the enormous salary cap hit, it doesn't work.
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It doesn't work consistently enough. I think he's gotten the
most you can get out of Russell Wilson. But this
was bound to be problematic. You hoped it didn't get combative.
It's now moved to that space, and I think it's trouble. Listen,
I you know that Shaun Watson deal is fully guaranteed.
Russell Wilson, you can move off it, take some cap
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hits and just say we're gonna you know, we got
some young players. We'll have to hit on some draft picks.
You can get around it. If you draft a quarterback,
you know, you draft a quarterback, a rock perty you
find somebody dack in the fourth round. I remember Russell
was a third round pick. You hit a draft pick
in the third, fourth, fifth round at quarterback, and you
hit on three or four draft picks, you can mitigate
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to a large degree that ugly cap pit. There's a
way to get around it.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
And by the way, Sean Payton knows all about ugly
cap hits. They were over the cap multiple times and
dealing with that for years because they had stars and
now to pay them all. But this thing doesn't feel
like once. I say this all the time. If you
go to a party and a couple's arguing in front
of people, they can't even stop their hostility in public.
What's the car ride home like? What are they like
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at home, they're in trouble. When you see stuff publicly,
you don't want to yell at your quarterback like that.
When you see stuff publicly, what's it like in the
meeting rooms? What's the animosity like? And so you know,
Russell's relentlessly optimistic, which is a fine quality. It's not
overly authentic in a lot of people's eyes. But Sean,
I know him pretty well. He'll tell you what he
thinks right out front, won't hide anything. And so I
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just don't think this thing's ever gonna work. I think
it's working about as well as it could work. Also,
I thought this was a tough spot for Denver. I
like Detroit a lot in this game of my favorite
pick of the week this I didn't think it would
look like that, just like Dallas, we love Buffalo this weekend,
I didn't think it was going to look like that.
It's not the end of the world. I think Denver
can win out now, I really do. And you know
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in the sea's not a positive note. But I just
don't think this thing's gonna work.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Have you given much thought to let's say they do reboot,
Colin and Peyton says, I want a new quarterback. Like
problem is, there's not a lot of guys up there
who I would consider an upgrade from Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Well, if they lose, if they have the twelfth, thirteenth,
fourteenth pick, you know you can give up a Patrick
Surtan and a pick and move up. I don't think
it's the end of the world. You got the coach,
they got some personnel. They've got some weapons. I like
their backs, left tackle, got some players defensively, this franchise
they're okay. It's amazing what happens when you get the
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right coach and the right quarterback.
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It is on Monday live in Los Angeles. It's the
Hurt wherever you may be, and however you may be
listening or watching things for making that's part of your day.
One hour from now. Where Colin was right, where Colin
was wrong, plenty of both. Jmax, You're all waiting. You
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thought it was gonna be the game of the day.
It was gonna be close, physical on both sides. We
did not transpire that way.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
An amazing Sunday of games. But boy, you and I
am we're right.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
They're wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
This past weekend, well let's start with this. Thirty one
ten Buffalo Hammers Dallas Road, Dallas Road Deck, Josh Allen
seven to fifteen. That's it. One touchdown, no picks, ninety
four yards passing. Actually, that's closer to how I want
Josh Allen used, it really is. It's like those early
Big Ben Steelers teams. Defensive coach, defensive culture, stout, running game, physical,
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both sides of the ball. And then this six six,
two hundred and sixty pound towering quarterback with a big
arm kid two three times a game, make a huge throws.
That's what won trophies. Because this version we've seen last
few years where Josh Allen Superman's not winning trophies. They
moved from Ken Dorsey to Joe Brady at coordinator, and
I'm seeing stuff. I like, they're just not calling plays anymore.
(01:50):
They're more reliant on their run. They found James Cook
and they're using him. Less reliant on Stefan Diggs. Remember
it gets cold in December, January, February. Can't be reliant
on the ball downfield. They're less reliant on Superman plays.
Remember the Steelers. Those trophies dried up the more reliant
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they got on Big Ben when they asked him to
throw forty five times. Just because you have a quarterback
with godlike talent does not mean you have to squeeze
every ounce of it every Sunday to carry the team. Occasionally,
like last night, Yesterday, Josh Allen can be a complimentary player.
Yesterday he was a second pitch and a highly effective one. Now,
(02:34):
I'm not a huge proponent of defensive cultures in twenty
twenty three football, but we do have a history here.
When you get a great defensive coach with a star
quarterback Tomlin, Big Ben in his prime, Belichick, Brady, Jimmy Johnson,
Troy Aikman, Pete, Carolyn Russ and his prime, you hoist
trophies and you get to Super Bowls, don't have to
win them all that you get there. And we keep
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waiting for Buffalo with all this talented Josh Allen to
get there, and I think this is the way you
get there that it looks like that Ben, when Ben
was throwing twenty two times a game and not forty two.
Strong run game, tough defense, very physical, great at home.
Now it's not nearly as much fun to watch Buffalo
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as it was a few years ago when it was
Mahomes and Josh Allen and he was going thirty seven
for fifty one for three touchdown. That was way more fun.
Is a video game? Those the best games I've ever seen, maybe,
But this is how I hold trophies. This is how
you do it. Did you have a star quarterback, but
he can be a complimentary player. First down yesterday, twenty
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eight in the game, the most rushing yards under Sean
McDermott two sixty six, time of possession thirty five, heavy
doses of James Cook, occasionally eat to Stefon Diggs, occasionally
asking Josh Allen to make a play. That's the scary buffalo,
that's the hole to trophy buffalo thirty eight to thirty six.
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Kansas City CINCINNATAI games way more fun to watch. I'm
not interested in the TV show bills. I'm interested in
the trophy bills. James Cook leading away, defense and physicality
leading away, loved it. Josh Allen afterwards.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
James ran hard, Tay ran hard, Ty ran hard. You know,
and when you when you can stay in front of
the sticks like we did today. I don't know how
many third downs we had, but it couldn't have been
that many. I don't think I threw the ball that
many times, which again, I don't just get it done.
Let's just find the way to win. And you know,
it felt like the kid that didn't do anything in
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the class project. But got a But again, I'll do
this ten times out of ten times.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Let me tell you something. If Buffalo runs the ball
like that that you want no part of. You want
no part of a Buffalo team that can run and
Josh Allen can throw it on second and four and
third and one, that's frightening. Who doubts I got my homes,
I got Burrow, you got Josh Allen. Okay, you can't
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run the ball. But Buffalo running the ball, physical both sides,
getting a big pass rush, and then Josh complimentary four
or five times a game puts on the cape that
I think is unbeatable. And that's the best game they've played,
in my opinion, in a couple of years. You saw
it on display. Okay, So the Dallas Cowboys, what do
we make of that? Outside of the San Francisco forty
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nine ers, the best team in the league. This is
a very situational league. This happens all the time to
good teams. In fact, the bet of the week next
week in the NFL take Dallas to beat Miami. Dallas
humiliated and pushed around faces Miami who flexed against an
AWFLA Jets team. Dallas is going to have the hardest
week of practice in two years. Remember when they got
beat by San Francisco. When good teams get humillion and
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not just beat but literally mocked, pushed around, bullied, Dallas
is gonna be fine in a week, But there is
a just being trend. Road dack and trailing DAK doesn't
even resemble home dack and leading DACK. The second problem
is three of their four losses they've been absolutely shelled
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Arizona by twelve, San Francisco by thirty two, Bills by
twenty one. Why what is it? My hunch is this,
The Cowboys are a glamour franchise and the NFL and
Dallas is getting younger. Teams are younger and younger people,
mood swings up, down, less mature. When I watch Dallas,
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I see a team with a lot of talent. I
do not see a team with a lot of composure.
They're like a teenager. You get these big mood swings
from a sweetheart to demonic after a bag of skittles.
They just don't know how to act all the time.
They don't have any composure. They get down and they panic,
They get down and they get rattled, and they try
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to make a big play and they compound their problems.
So and the problem with that is if you look
at Dallas's road to the super Bowl, now, it's gonna
be a road road journey at Philly, at San Francisco,
at Detroit. Lines are great at home at Tampa, Baker
Mayfield now playing ball at Los Angeles, which would be
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a Cowboy home game, but none the same. You know
what Dallas is on the road, Dak's not the same.
Team's not the same, physicality's not the same. It is
a different team. Now, I'm not selling my Cowboy stock.
There's not a lot of great in the NFC. I mean,
Detroit week to week, you don't know what you get.
Philadelphia is reeling. Rams are on fire, but limited. I mean,
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there's not a lot of great. By the way Dallas
Dallison home games left. There'll be a different team in
a week against Miami. And I like their personnel, I
still do. I like a lot of it. But inconsistent
people and inconsistent coaching and inconsistent teams don't wear rings.
And Dallas remains the most penalized team in the league,
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the most tenuous and nebulous on the road, the most inconsistent,
one in three against winning teams and the DAC part.
At home, he's seven to zero and one hundred and
twenty two passer rating. On the road, he's three and
four and it drops to eighty four. He is like
a different player entirely on the road. They're almost like
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a college team. They protect their home floor, their home stadium,
and their atrocious kids, panicking mood swings on the road,
and Mike McCarthy addressed it.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
We play so well at home and there's just too
big of a gap in our road games. I don't
think anybody expected to play the way we did tonight.
They played well. I don't want to discredit their performance,
but yeah, we got to be We gotta be much
better on a road, regardless of what's in front of us.
We're in all the other conversations because there's two big
of a gap between home and away.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Generally, when you have kids, the less mature the kids are,
the more trouble they are on a road trip. Right
like that's Dallas. They are a glamour franchise, young in spots,
highly emotional, a little immature, and panic on the road
get into their fields quickly. Panic on the road. The
great teams in this league. I always feel like with Baltimore,
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I kind of get the same team, you know, I
always feel like that. I kind of feel like with
New England and their prime, I get the same team
Rams this year, I get the same team. They got
older players on offense. But when I get this Dallas team,
it's insane, very collegiate because they're young in certain key spots.
But I'm not selling my Cowboys stock. It is a
situational league outside of the Niners. Is that week to
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week depending on what happened last week and this week.
For the record, our pick of my pick of the
weekend was Detroit. They were humiliated the previous week. I
also like Buffalo because I thought Dallas would go on
the road and feel themselves. So the Cowboys play my
next week, I think they're gonna be good. It was Peckham.
It's not anymore. I would take Dallas. It's one of
the better bets of the week. But it is disturbing
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because to get to the super Bowl, it's gonna be
a series of road games, and this team three road
games in a row. I'm just wanting them to play well.
Once on the road against the good team and I've
yet to see it. So Jmac. Now we get into
Brock pretty MVP stuff. Whoa, whoa, whoa?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Were we done with Dallas already? He just put them
to the side. You say better the week in Miami.
The only thing that gives me a little pause is, uh,
Mike McDaniel comes from which coaching tree is that?
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I forget what?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
San Francisco?
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Yeah, strong run game.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Buffalo just ran.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
All over Dallas.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Is Miami gonna run all over the moster well touchdowns
that'll be seventy five percent Cowboy fans at that stadium.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's a home game for Dallas and it's warm weather,
so they'll be fine there. But I listen, I think
it's easy this's morning to say Dallas is terrible. They're
obviously not terrible, but they are an immature team that
can pan on the road and try to quickly assolve
their issues. They kind of bail on a game plan,
get into individual plays and DAK. This is one of
the reasons whenever you criticize DAK, the fanboys come out
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of the woodwork. But what creates greatness is the ability
to play under duress, trailing in games big pass rujh yeah,
no run game. That's what separates Brady and Mahomes and
Burrow playing with a bad old line. Dak is very
good when comfortable. When trailing on the road a little off,
he can be bad, like really bad.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I love that Buffalo game plan. I've run the ball
and dump offs. MICHAEH. Parsons.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Did he make a play Yesterday's incredible on a milk carton.
It's almost like Miami and McDaniel are going to see
that and be like, hmm, I know how to scheme
Michael Parsons out of the game, which is run the foot.
Now Miami can't run offensive line the little banged up,
but they do have a good, strong rushing game with
Mostard and Achan.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
That's gonna be another great weekend of football ahead.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
YEP.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
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Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well. San Francisco hammered another team forty five twenty nine
over Arizona. Brock Purty through for you know, four touchdowns,
that's what he does, and Dak Prescott struggling Purty's gonna
get a lot of MVP talk, but I still contend
that Christian McCaffrey is the Niners MVP, not Purty. So
I think it's hard to win the league MVP when
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you're not the most valuable player on your own team.
Christian McCaffrey is the world's best running back. Brock Purty's
a good quarterback, maybe very good. Maybe I'm under selling him,
but I see other worldly talent here. The NFL's reluctance
to give running backs the MVP award has now risen
to comical. He's on pace to have twenty four touchdowns
and twenty two hundred yards on a team that is
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stacked Kittle I Yuke Debo. They're stacked with weapons, and
he can finish with a touchdown and a half a
game and twenty two hundred yards. That's unbelievable. And this
league is reluctant to feed running backs, to embrace running backs,
to pay running backs. And yet San Francisco is nineteen
eighty eight football. They are old school. He's the typewriter
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re emerging. Feed him the ball. I think twenty years
from now, it's going to look really silly if this
Niner team was to win a Super Bowl, and you're
gonna be like, my god, Christian McCaffrey had twenty four
touchdowns in twenty twenty and they had debo and how
you can kittle in Hall of Famers, he didn't win
the MVP. Now they give to brock perty where's he at? Well,
they didn't want to pay him eventually three years later,
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So he's a bouncing around the league. Like at some point,
are we ever going to embrace a running back? Like,
if you're not gonna embrace Christian McCaffrey, And I've said
all this nonsense about running backs not getting paid. Yeah
they do, Yeah they do. They just don't get paid
as much. They don't get paid second, third, and fourth contracts.
But if you're not gonna embrace Christian McCaffrey, if you're
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not gonna consider him for MVP, then just I mean,
make up new guidelines because what you're seeing, I think
he's the most talented running back ever. I think Barry
Sanders could run like nothing I've ever seen, and Walter
Payton's up there too, but in terms in terms of
blocking and catching and making people miss and running past
them and running and power and Finanse. It's as good
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as anything I've ever seen. And he's the best player
on the team, on a team with a Bosa and
a Kiddle and a Debo, he's the best player on
the team. Twenty four touchdowns on pace twenty tw hundred
yards in this era is insane. It makes no sense.
And if you're going to be historically amazing, then you
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should be the recipient of honors and award. That's why
we have these honors in the wards. They go into books,
they go into museums, and they go into Hall of Fames,
and you take your kids and you're like, oh, yeah,
it was one of the great years of all time,
not because a quarterback handed it him the ball and
threw them swing passes, And I like, pretty this is
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not an anti party, it's a pro CMC. It's a
pro Cusha McCaffrey. It's the best player in the planet
at his position. Having the best year is a top
ten year all the time, and running back don't have
top ten years anymore. Like that's over, that's the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties,
early two thousands. That's not what they do. So to
do this now on a roster that has stacked is
just insane to me. Even Brock purtties acknowledging that's the dude.
Speaker 9 (15:19):
Just his grit to continue to drive his legs and
get extra yards and inches like, and then goes off
to the sideline and he's immediately you know, using their
guns and moving his body. He just non stop moving
and so but we all respect it. Man like, he's
the guy who does it all. And then he would
put him out of the slot and throw him a ball,
and he just does everything. I think Christian should be MVP.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I think I really do believe that.
Speaker 9 (15:41):
You know, he does everything for us, runs the ball, well,
can catch the ball. He does everything, and so in
my eyes, that's an MVP.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
If not. Now when for a running back? Jmack with the.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
News, No, no.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
This is the herd line.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Somehow I knew that was coming. Rock Perty has another
magnificent game and coward quadrupling now with Christop McCaffrey. Liz,
I like it.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's a it's a strong case, not accurate, it's not right,
but I dig it.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Let's get started with the Sunday night football game.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
How about that Baltimore with a statement win over reeling
Jacksonville and the underwhelming Trevor Lawrence twenty three to seven.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Number one seed now in the AFC, the better conference.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, listen, Lamar Jackson two hundred sixty eight total yards, touchdown,
did have an interception that was pretty gross.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
I love this for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I thought this game was a lot more about Jacksonville
and made.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So many wounds, like first of all, but yeah, you
know what, somebody creates those though, like the miss field
goals to fumble. I mean, I think Baltimore puts a
lot of pressure on you, Like, why is everybody played
so poorly against Baltimore? Seattle, in Detroit, Jacksonville, good teams
played poorly. Why is everybody played so poorly against San Francisco?
Because they ratchet up the heat and the intensity. You know,
the heart of Dallas looking awful last night is Buffalo
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didn't look like that against you know, they don't look
like that week after week against other teams. So it's
like to me, Baltimore ratchets up the heat, the intensity,
the pass rush, the hitting's harder, and you fall behind
him and then it's Lamar and you can't stop him.
They get first down, you get desperate, So I think
Buffalo and Baltimore created the messes for those teams.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Maybe it's like a Wednesday topic, but this Trevor Lawrence
situation is troubling.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
I know you love him. Other folks that just network
love him.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Trevor Lawrence last night running in the red zone and
just loses the football like.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
There's no rain.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I don't know what happened there. Then he had another
fumble Colin in plus territory. Listen, I just I don't
know what's going on with Trevor Lawrence. I know he
is a generational talent. We loved him coming out. Sometimes
it takes a while for these things to make Like
it's year three. I haven't seen the greatness he's I mean, listen.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Well, they did win a playoff game, like they did
run a playoff.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Which you look at the stats this year, he's middle
of the pack across the board.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
I'm not saying he's a fifteenth quarterback in the league.
But he was bad.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And it's not just this Ravens game, Like he hasn't
delivered at all. I'm not selling my Lawrence stock, but
I think at some point I saw one of these pundits,
these draft guys say, well, Jaguar's got to go out
and get him more help.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
They actually said, Trevor Lawrence needs skill position help.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Go on.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
They got Ridley, They spent a.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Lot of money on Kirk Evan Ingram's a good tight end,
Travis et N's the first round pick, Zay Jones like.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
They got weapons.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, that's not the issue.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
At some point, like someone, I know, you don't want
to push, not your guy, but it beit Trevor Lawrence
is playing not quite like Doodoo, but he's down there.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
No, he has not a good year. He's been inconsistent,
a lot of things to blame for it, but he's
a big part of it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Absolutely, let's go to a positive quarterback. Colin Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Holy boy, I do not like Green Bay's defense. I
know Baker played well, and I'll give him credit. I
would sign him to another year. You know what, he's
the best quarterback in that division, and the best quarterback
is winning virtually every year.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
If you're only signing him to another year, someone else
is signing him to more than that.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Because he has looked this season Colin.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, he's been inconsistent, but on his days he's been
very good.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
For instance, one stat I saw an air yard passes
of ten or more this season.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
He was like forty one percent this season.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah yesterday ten of eleven for two hundred yards and
two touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
He's been in and that's the knock on Baker. He's inconsistent.
But I will say this, he's the best quarterback in
that division after watching Derek Carr, and I would defended
Derek Carr for years. Baker's better throws, a better ball,
plays with the more Hutzu is willing to throw the
ball down the field, and Baker deserves all the credit.
I would sign him for another year. And the problem
for Tampa not a bad problem, but they have a
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good roster. They're going to make the playoffs potentially, and
so they're going to be way too deep to get
a quarterback. Now they have the pieces to trade. They
got some really nice players. But this team, here's the downside.
I think he just signed Bake. I think your role
with Baker you draft a quarterback second round, maybe late first.
They don't have a ton of needs. I mean, they
have a good football team. Crazy, but I think Baker
in this division, I think he's perfect for the pirate
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ship known as the Buccaneers. He's got an attitude. It's
a wonky division. When Baker's your quarterback, you tend to
play with u certain spirit and ego. Now now he
can be he's very much. He plays well when he's confident.
He loses it quickly and can regress badly in games.
But I gotta tell you the dysfunction in Cleveland, Tampa's
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not as dysfunctional. They have a good GM. They draft
good players. I mean I covered them for years. They
haven't always been good, but they've always had good players. Yeah,
they don't rush to fire coaches. They tend to give
coaches a little more time. And my takeaway is this
is a really good spot for the rebirth of Baker's career,
and I'd give him another year.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Baker does have the same number of playoff wins as
Trevor Lawrencey. He won one in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
The thing I loved about yesterday the resilience. You saw
that fumble inside the five. Yes, he just like get
a complete lack of awareness. Packers score and I'm thinking
Packers they got this.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
They're at home.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Packers are gonna run away. Your boy, Jordan Love and
Baker just the rest of the game. He was like
almost flawless. I gotta tell you, we thought they would
be selling parts Godwin Evans at the deadline.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
They're in the play They're gonna be making the playoffs.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, and they got weapons and a quarterback and they
have a defensive coach, so they usually played pretty well defensively.
I would say this though, green Bay underachieves on defense.
And nothing against Joe Berry, but I'm sorry, green Bay
should be better on defense. How many first round players
do they have on that defense?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
It was six or seven one?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, Like they really do not play good enough consistently.
They have good halves, but there were it wasn't just
that Tampa and Baker were rolling. There were huge holes
all over this defense. There were big gashes, bad tackling,
bad on third down. So it's like at some point
you gotta and to go get a great defensive coordinator.
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You got to spend like three million bucks in college.
You could make two million doing that in the SEC.
So you got to go spend some big moy money
now and get a defensive coordinator because this isn't working.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I don't want to do what Jordan love thing here.
But he was throwing to like all rookies yesterday.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I don't know if you noticed this thing. The kid
wicks him. I picked him up at Fantasy Delivered, But
like they're throwing to all rookies.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
They got a lot of young women. We all we
knew green Bay was a year away. It's the transition year,
Aaron's first year, his first year. So I never thought
of Green Bay. I thought they'd be like a seven
win team. They're better than I thought, but they end
up looking like a seven win team, which is they're
gonna end up with what they should be. But this
is a the youngest team in the league. I don't
think yesterday offense is the story. The story is the
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defense was dashed, not just because it was gashed by Baker.
But it's one thing to give up the points they
gave up. It's another when it esthetically looks like.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
That at home.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I got to ask you about Jordan Love, like you
remember they didn't want to lock him in for the future.
You've had, You've seen some ups and downs, Like he's
gonna come to you and say, guys, I.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Thought I was good. I thought i'd seen it. Expectations
I want a three or four year deal, and you're
gonna say what.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I think right now. Jordan Love with young receivers is inconsistent.
But I've seen enough to feel like next year we
can be a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
So he's gonna want some money in the offseason his contract.
He's not going there down the position. They're not paying
anybody else. Who are they paying an offense. The tight
ends are kids, the receivers are kids. They're not paying
anybody except Aaron Jones.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
You're keeping Jordan Love.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I think he's improved, and I think we have to
be realistic. This is the youngest offense in the league,
so what are they hot and cold? I'm more bothered
by the defense, which has guys that have been in
this league for five years. Like this defense, there's no
excuse for this. The offense, this is what the youngest
offense in the league looks like. They drop. I'll tell
you something though, Reid Love wicks the kid wicks. No, No,
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they got it.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
They have.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
They have more good receivers drafted in the last two
years than New England's done in twenty. They have at
These young players are twitchy and fast. Reid is really sensational.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Final story is the Texans my one loss on the
in the contest yesterday I had the Titans. The Texans
just an incredible comeback. This team backup quarterback with CJ.
Stroud out, the wide receiver, weapons were down. They remember
they lost Tank Dell, they were missing another and this
case Keenum just delivered with an unbelievable come back down
thirteen nothing. I believe he had two hundred twenty nine
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yards touchdown Devin Singletary. I mean, what a revelation. He's
been one hundred and twenty one yards. Yeah, they win
in overtime nineteen sixteen.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
I'm stunned.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
This was one of the bigger surprises for me yesterday.
But this Houston team, Demiko Ryans is going to be
in Coach of the Year consideration. It's either it feels
like Himer Stefanski, but what a job by Houston and
you know Case Keenum.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You know what I like about Demiko Ryans is a
lot of these coaches are stoic, but like the young
guys like mcveil, go crazy on the sideline. He'll be
running do it sprints up the sidelines. Demiko Ryans has
got a little fan in him and mcveado's two that
you get this young cut, unharnessed appreciation like Demko. You
could just see it.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
He's felt like.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Robert Salah early jetsiars now he's maybe a early Jet
game one. I guess just one final thing. You talk
about not betting the Atlanta Falcons anymore?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Right, you're done with it? No, I lost an officially
done with the Tennessee Titan.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I can't bet four or against them because Will Levis
I mean, you watch it. He got killed in the
pocket like this took seven sacks. Derek Henry, by the way,
after the game is basically like, yeah, I think my
time is done. Yere, They're like ten yards on thirty carries.
The Tennessee Titans are like Vrabel. I know is a
good coach, but this team is just Oh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Know why people. Yeah, you know what I bet this
weekend good quarterbacks, And even though I lost a game
in Arizona, I had fun watching my quarterback play Like
I'm just I'm just over watching awful quarterback play and
hoping they cover. I bet Sean McVay and Matt Stafford,
and I bet Jared Goff at home and I bet
Josh Allen at home. I just went with good quarterbacks
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in good spots, and it's like, it's so much more fun.
Even if you lose, you feel like.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
You Bailey's Appy against the Chiefs getting a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Gosh, j McK with the news.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
The Chicago Bears five and eight blew a ten point
lead in Law despite three interceptions to Joe Flacco. This
loss by the Bears kind of sums up Justin Field's
promising moments. Lots of home big arm lost nineteen of
forty passer rating of forty six. He's just not consistent enough.
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Old Joe Flacco was clearly the better quarterback in the
second half. Old Joe Flacco, who just got off the couch.
The Bears eight possessions in the second half, a field goal,
but Colin the drops, Yeah, Patrick, missus Mahomes has holed
my beer. The drops. You want to know the three
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teams in the NFL that lead in drops Kansas City,
Cleveland and Detroit. Jared Goff has ten wins, third most
drops in the league. Drops happen all the time, Mahomes
and his receivers. It's an epidemic, and they're still winning
games home in a way I don't want to hear
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about drops. You produced a field goal in the entire
second half in thirty five starts for justin fields. He
has thirty nine turnovers, two more yesterday. He gets hurt.
He's erratic. And here's the other troubling problem is that
when you really need quarterbacks in this league, fourth quarter
he is awful. He is an awful He's the worst
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fourth quarter quarterback for a starter, arguably.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
His fourth quarter stats this year fifty one percent completion
rate of fifty five passer rating and yesterday was three
of nine with a pick like that's you can't do that.
You can scuff it in football games. You gotta deliver late,
and he is once he's off script and he's up
to his own discretion. It's bad. And you can keep
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blaming drops. Chicago entering yesterday fifth fewest dropped passes in
the league. You can keep blaming defense or defense. This
has actually played well for the last six to seven games.
Montez Sweat trade was a great deal for them. He's
a monster getting to the quarterback, Well, this guy and
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that guy. They have given him a number one receiver,
they added another tight end, they've given draft capital to
the front line. Left tackles pretty good, They've made a
lot of moves. It doesn't work. You can't be last
or close to last with fourth quarter stats. You just
can't be. And we got thirty five starts.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I think he's got talent, but I want to restart
the clock. I don't want to pay him. Caleb Williams,
to me, has more natural talent. But if you start
looking at this stuff yesterday, and it's a prime example,
seventeen to seven lead, your defense is getting picks and
you can't move the ball in the second half, can't
move it. Where do you want me to go with it?
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It's not like they have I mean they even tried
and took a swing on Chase Claypool second round pick,
which was a mistake. They're trying left tackles, good offensive
coordinator from a rival Green Bay. Get him a number
one ride receiver, get them another tight end. They're trying.
They're really try, unlike Carolina, which gives Bryce Young nothing.
They're trying, and it's just too erratic and doesn't work
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and they lose too much. And here's Justin after.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
They have a talented back end. Of course, they were
missing some guys today, but they're d line that that
front makes their defense go. You know, I have some
receivers down field, and you know, this game, I'm trying
to anticipate where they're going to be. You know, I can't.
I can't see the guys because you know, just because
they're not sacking, he doesn't mean that they're not you know,
affecting in the play. So no, I think they did
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a good job. Props to them. They played a great game,
and yeah, it's gotta be better.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Listen, eight possessions a field goal. In the end, it's
a production business, and the reality is a lot of
people have talent, but you don't have a salary cap
for coaching. Eber Flus in the defense look significantly better
than six weeks ago. And Justin Fields has more. He
has quarters, he has drives, he has plays. His hail
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Mary pass. That's how you throw hail Mary pass. And
Tanya dropped a touchdown path absolutely, I mean Kadarius Tony
dropped the ball yesterday. It became an interception for New England.
Drops happened. Chicago's not one of the leading teams in
the NFL entering yesterday and drops Detroit is and they've
got ten wins. You got to overcome it. We say
this all the time. The great quarterbacks, the franchise quarterbacks
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are overcomers. Maybe a bad right tackle, a bad center,
injuries during the season, can have eight possessions in a
field goal. And I know, I know, I know Cleveland's
defense is good, but at some point you got to
start paying justin fields. I would rather start the clock,
move him, get a second round pick. I think he can.
I think he's talented, but it's just it just feels
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like that is I've seen too much of that. Had it, defense,
stepped up, got picks, head field position, second half nothing.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
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Speaker 5 (31:50):
All Right.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
When an impulsive owner like the Jets have is watching
a bad team like the Jets are, and they have
key decisions to make at the end of the season,
you don't want it to look like that. The Jets
losing thirty nothing to Miami four total yards in the
first half. The team had no fight defensively, and Tyreek
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Hill didn't even play offensive line. Machayak Beckton is laughing
going into the locker room. A weird handling of Zach
Wilson in a head injury has Robert Sala lost the team,
So congratulations. Aaron Rodgers is healthier earlier than expected, could play,
probably won't, but he's coming back, and you gave the
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franchise to him. So what you have one good receiver,
you never throw in the ball. The offensive lines a
mess outside of one or two players. Your offensive coordinator,
Aaron's buddy, Nat Hackett's not very good. This franchise in
desperate businesses and desperate teams do desperate things. Handed the
franchise to a thirty nine year old quarterback who could
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beat prickly and never appreciated the stability of green Bay.
Green Bay is not cool, but they're stable. I know
the Jets were cooler. They're unstable. How's it working out
for you? And he needed to use leverage, So he
got his buddy offensive coordinator, and he got a receiver
he wanted, and he got his way, and it's done nothing.
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Same miserable franchise, in the same miserable spot. And the
problem to me is what the Jets need is leadership.
That was always my knock on Aaron. Aaron's great talent,
but he's not a foxhole guy. He's a finger pointer.
He's great when things are comfortable. If you go look
at his career numbers, Aaron has a bizarrely low number
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of come from behind wins, like way lower than Stafford
or Matt Ryan, even Derek Carr, Andy Dalton, because I
always said he's a Bayler, not a baller. He's good
when good things are comfortable, but in crisis, he didn't
want any part of it. And by the way, the Jets,
and I've been a Robert solid defender, they're starting to
look like the LA Chargers, which is wildly inconsistent. I
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think their defense at times quits. They haven't handled the
quarterback well and I'm not really sure consistently what they
do well. Now. I think Saul is much more capable
than Brandon Staley, who was completely over his head. But
you gave Aaron all this power. It's the same laughable
Jets season, and here's Robert Saul.
Speaker 11 (34:24):
After you put together the best plans, the best plans possible.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes not. But overall, just from coaching
and execution, all of it on the offensive side, it
just wasn't good enough.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
Today.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
God, New York sports teams are awful, just bad, just
a circus. So let's talk a Saturday night special. So
we had told you our favorite play of the week
was Detroit back home against Denver. I like Denver, this
was a tough spot Lions had been humiliated. Lions are
great at home. They're a very good Dome team. So
(34:58):
Sean Payton now Kenny and hide his frustration with Russell Wilson.
Can't hide it. He banged on him at the podium
earlier in the year about the wristbands. I was banging
on him this weekend. Not only are they opposite personalities,
Russell is relentlessly optimistic. Sean is authentic, emotional, demanding and critical.
(35:19):
But Russell Wilson isn't Breeze the passer or Taysom Hill
the athlete. So Sean Payton isn't getting elite with either
one of them. And I got to tell you this,
This relationship with Breeze and Peyton was so great that
invariably this was going to be a disappointment. And you know,
I was hopeful he could turn Russell around, and he has.
(35:42):
You're getting a lot of Russell and Seattle, but I
was just hoping it wouldn't be combative because they're literally
different people. I know both, they're totally different people. But
now it's combative. Now after the game, Sean Peyton was
pressed on that interaction.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
The frustrating part of the sequence was the next run,
So we'll leave it at that.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
You know, as you want to wait years.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
No, I said. The frustrating part of the sequence was
the next play to Burton where we scored.
Speaker 10 (36:11):
Did your upside of the call?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I what were you yawing at?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Russell?
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Lost? Listen? Would I talked with Russell abouts none of
your business?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And he's right, it is none of our business. We
can ask about it, but he does not have to
provide an answer. But I just think these are different people.
I don't think it's a perfect fit. I think if
you ask Sean Payton and he now has the power
in the building, he's helped fix the defense, he's got
Russell being as good as he can possibly be, I
think he would move off him and take a huge
cap hit for a year. But the thing what's happening
(36:42):
is Sean Payton had Drew Brees for years and it
was a perfect marriage. Their personalities are demanding, an intense
and authentic and it was perfect. And so this invariably
was not going to be great. But Drew Brees was
a little small, and Sean worked around that and designed
play and Breeze hit on him, and as Greg co
(37:03):
Sell says, the film proves he's designed. In the same plays,
they're still open and Russ can't hit him.
Speaker 12 (37:11):
The Sean Payton's of the world, as you well know,
they spend a lot of time putting together their offense,
their game plan, the structure of what they want to do,
the route concepts, the route combinations, so they expect those
things to be executed on Sundays. Russell Wilson does not
execute those at a high enough percentage. But he's an
eye dropper. He looks at the rush and the result
(37:33):
of that is that he doesn't see throws that need
to be made, so he leaves throws on the field.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And this is something that Greg Cosel been doing this
forty four years, has talked to me about several times.
The plays are there. Sean Payton has a history with
Breeze that he hit those things ninety five percent of
the time, and he's not hitting them. So between the
personality clash, the enormous salary cap hit, it doesn't work.
(38:00):
It doesn't work consistently enough. I think he's gotten the
most you can get out of Russell Wilson. But this
was bound to be problematic. You hoped it didn't get combative.
It's now moved to that space, and I think it's trouble. Listen,
I you know that Shaun Watson deal is fully guaranteed.
Russell Wilson, you can move off it, take some cap
(38:20):
hits and just say we're gonna you know, we got
some young players. We'll have to hit on some draft picks.
You can get around it. If you draft a quarterback,
you know, you draft a quarterback, a rock perty you
find somebody dack in the fourth round. I remember Russell
was a third round pick. You hit a draft pick
in the third, fourth, fifth round at quarterback, and you
hit on three or four draft picks, you can mitigate
(38:43):
to a large degree that ugly cap pit. There's a
way to get around it.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
And by the way, Sean Payton knows all about ugly
cap hits. They were over the cap multiple times and
dealing with that for years because they had stars and
now to pay them all. But this thing doesn't feel
like once. I say this all the time. If you
go to a party and a couple's arguing in front
of people, they can't even stop their hostility in public.
What's the car ride home like? What are they like
(39:08):
at home, they're in trouble. When you see stuff publicly,
you don't want to yell at your quarterback like that.
When you see stuff publicly, what's it like in the
meeting rooms? What's the animosity like? And so you know,
Russell's relentlessly optimistic, which is a fine quality. It's not
overly authentic in a lot of people's eyes. But Sean,
I know him pretty well. He'll tell you what he
thinks right out front, won't hide anything. And so I
(39:30):
just don't think this thing's ever gonna work. I think
it's working about as well as it could work. Also,
I thought this was a tough spot for Denver. I
like Detroit a lot in this game of my favorite
pick of the week this I didn't think it would
look like that, just like Dallas, we love Buffalo this weekend,
I didn't think it was going to look like that.
It's not the end of the world. I think Denver
can win out now, I really do. And you know
(39:52):
in the sea's not a positive note. But I just
don't think this thing's gonna work.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Have you given much thought to let's say they do reboot,
Colin and Peyton says, I want a new quarterback. Like
problem is, there's not a lot of guys up there
who I would consider an upgrade from Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Well, if they lose, if they have the twelfth, thirteenth,
fourteenth pick, you know you can give up a Patrick
Surtan and a pick and move up. I don't think
it's the end of the world. You got the coach,
they got some personnel. They've got some weapons. I like
their backs, left tackle, got some players defensively, this franchise
they're okay. It's amazing what happens when you get the
(40:28):
right coach and the right quarterback.
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