October 30, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin gives the Yankees credit for taking game 4 of the World Series but points out this was all part of the strategy for the Dodgers
Aaron Rodgers claims he has found the fountain of youth
Thoughts on the Yankees fan interference in game 4 of the World Series
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go on a Wednesday midweek, ready to roll.
Dodgers decided to be kind and thoughtful, give the Yankees
a night to rejoice live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be watching
or listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Jamack Joel Klatt one hour from now, Ohio State penn
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State gonna be one of the games of the year
in college football out in Pennsylvania, which is a very
important dust state these days. Couldn't decide a lot of things,
You know that the Yankees were such a proud franchise.
I mean all they do now is beat the American
League Central in the playoffs, right, Like that's what they do.
Take out those wins and they're like way or five hundred.
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But it used to be like at least Yankee fans
were knowledgeable and had some self awareness. They're all getting
fired up off last night and they're just getting played,
And so we start with that. Yes, the Yankees won
eleven to four, What a night. They trail now three
to one in the series. There's three games left and
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two are in LA. The guy that started for the
Dodgers is only the second pitcher ever to make his
first start in the World Series. The Dodgers punted last night.
It's called strategy. You'll see even great tennis players in
a Grand Slam event to conserve energy, get down in
a game or a set, and just punt it for
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the next set. You get down five to one, punt it,
you know, to get to the next set. That's all
the Dodgers did. That's why what Dave Roberts is doing
is very shrewd. He's not just managing the Dodgers, he's
managing resources. They don't have any pitchers, and the ones
they do are really good. I mean Walker Buehler. If
that's the new Walker Buehler, this series is over. I
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mean Yamamoto, Flaherty. We know those guys are good. We
know the top relievers are good. That's the pod Raives
Mets and the Dodgers, pod Rays Mets, excuse me, and
the Yankees. But oh, last night was was strategy. It
was basically, you know, it's like it's like chess. The
Yankees got a pawn last night. They didn't get a queen.
That's all that happened. I mean, do you really think
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the bottom seven, eight nine hitters in your lineup in
New York are now gonna get red hot. It's great
that Austin Wells crushed. He's still only hitting a buck
thirty in the series. Aaron Judge can't hit. The best
relievers for the Dodgers are better than the best relievers
for the Yankees, and the best hitters for the Dodgers
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are better than the best hitters for the Yankees. The
Yankees got seven runs out of their seven, eight and
nine hitters. You got a pawn. It's strategy. It's conserving energy.
I mean, Dave, I mean, Aaron Judges is still hitting
a buck fifty two. Freddie Freeman is still on fire.
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The best pitchers for the Yankees, Garrett Cole goes, there's
your shot, But then you're heading back to La. Even
if the Yankees win tonight. So it's one of those
things like Yankee fans, Hello, do you see what's going on?
We said yesterday on this show, Yankees is gonna win
this thing. It's a bullpen session. And by the way,
Dodgers get a lead, they're like, eh, we may wrap
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this puppy up. But by the time the Yankees hit
the Grand Slam, it's like, all right, empty the bullpen.
Here's Dave Roberts, who is playing chess after it's challenging.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I think that you've got to be certain that you
can score some runs. There's certainly any guy that we
use tonight would would would have not been able to
pitch tomorrow and being down to going into the uh
that last half. It just doesn't make sense to use
one of your leverage guys, you know, as far as
outcomes to have, you know, six guys in your pen
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that are feeling good, rested. I feel good about that
and being up three to one.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, yeah, So I wouldn't be shocked if Garrett Cole
gives you six great innings tonight, and if I'm by
the way, if I'm Aaron Boone and he gives you
eighty eight great pitches, let him go. Let him go
because you're you know, there's one guy so far we've
seen on this Yankee staff that can mow through the Dodgers,
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and that's Garrett Cole. So in Game one he was excellent,
eighty eight pitches. They pulled him series went downhill really quickly.
Let him go because this puppy's going back to LA
and the Dodgers are rested. Their bullpen is rested and
ready to roll. So this was kind of a thing
that broke on yesterday's show, but it needs to be contextualized.
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So Shane Steiken's the coach of the Indianapolis Colts. He's
really good. Years and years and years ago he was
with the Chargers and a friend of mine, Tom Tellusko,
who was the GM, said, man, we got this young coach,
Shane Steiken. He had Herbert. He's like, this guy's going
to be a star head coach.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
He is.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
He is really sharp. So when Shane Stiken made Jalen
Hurts almost the MVP, he made Justin Herbert set all
the rookie quarterback records, and when Anthony Richardson he waved
the white flag, He's like, I give up. He put
in Joe Flacco, and the quote is going forward. The
Colts are going to play Joe Flacco. For the record,
I think it's the right move. I think Joe Flackell
is going to win a bunch of games, and I
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think the Colts have a very good team. They're being
held back. But now here comes you see this in
the media. Protect the young athlete. Josh Allen and Anthony
Richardson through ten career starts, it was dead even slight
edge anthonyan Richardson, Kay, you have to watch the games.
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You want to go to stats. Justin Fields who got
benched in Pittsburgh and Russell Wilson came in and the
offense is much better. Justin Fields right now is a
higher passer rating than Matt Stafford. Geno Smith is better
than Patrick Mahomes statistically in every category this year. Have
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you watched the Chiefs in Mahomes in big spots, third down,
fourth down, goal line. Geno Smith statistically is better than Mahomes.
Not in your life. Justin Fields is better statistically than
Matt Stafford. What are we talking about? So let's talk
about Josh Allen. When he went to the Bills, they
had nothing to work with They had two good receivers
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I think because one Robert Foster I've never heard of.
They had no running game. Josh Allen was the running game.
He was their offense, and he came in as a
much much more ballyhooed prospect out of college. Anthony Richardson
had thirteen college starts. He wasn't good in college. But
Anthony Richardson has a top five running back Jonathan Taylor,
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a brilliant offensive coach, Shane Steikn, excellent wide receiver talent,
and the top five offensive line according to PFF. And
he's getting worse. He's getting worse by the start. Also,
Anthony Richardson took himself out of a game and said
I was tired. So his self awareness appears to be
below average and his mechanics aren't getting better. But you
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got to contextualize this stuff. You can't go to ten starts, Okay,
what was Indianapolis Like? Indianapolis is a quarterback away and
from first year to this year, he's gotten significantly worse.
Josh Allen came to an offense with a defensive culture
and Sean McDermott that had nothing receivers, tight ends, run game,
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o line. None of it was good, none of it.
And also Josh Allen got even within his first rookie season,
Josh Allen's first six games, he had two touchdown passes.
He was overwhelmed, the game was fast. His last six
games of his rookie season, he quadrupled that and had
eight touchdown passes. So even within the first season, you
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could see Josh Allen go from WHOA, this game is fast,
WHOA I'm making mistakes to settle down, quadrupled his touchdowns.
He was a real guy. So and not to mention,
Josh Allen went from like five and six first year
to ten and six second year, WHOA, we got a
superstar to thirteen and three and he's on his way.
So you could see every four or five starts, Josh
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Allen was getting noticeably better with nothing around him. Anthony
Richardson has real weapons around him, Pittman downs, Jonathan Taylor,
a top offensive line, a brilliant offensive coach, and it's
man overboard man. It's like life preservers. This thing is sinking.
So this is not like Shane Steichen is rooting against
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the kid. Right. This is a tough decision because since
Peyton Manning and Andrew luck have both left. They're just
desperately trying to find the quarterback. It says if the
media thinks some in the media think the Colts wanted
this to happen, they wanted this to work. They're seeing CJ.
Stroud beat him three hundred the last four times. The
Colts don't want to do this. The owner doesn't want
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to do it. Chris Boulder, the GM doesn't want to
do it. Shane Steiken doesn't want to go to Joe Flacco.
This isn't in the plan. But sometimes when you have
a really good roster with really good players, and the
Colts do they really do it's a really good roster.
This is a winnable division with the right quarterback, you
don't eve mean a great quarterback. I'll make the argument
if Joe Flacco stays upright, they're gonna reel off wins
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and potentially be a nine or ten win team looking
at a wild card spot. Now the Jets are bad,
the Dolphins are wonky Colts could fight for a playoff spot.
Here is Ryan Kelly, the team's center, on Richardson asking
bizarre out of the game Sunday.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
We had a conversation about it, and you know, I
think you notice not the standard that you know that
he needs to play up to, and the rest of
the team holds them too. And I'll kind of leave
the conversation that we had at that, but you know,
I'm sure he's gonna take the criticism for that just rightfully.
So right, I mean, that's a tough, tough look easy young.
I'm sure it's a learning moment for him. And leave
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it that.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, the Colts would prefer not to do this. This
is not what teams want to do. The Chargers didn't
start justin Herbert and think we hope it fails. And
by year two we're moving to a veteran. You're praying
this stuff works because all you have to do is
look at the standings right now. Best quarterback is winning
the AFC East. Best quarterback is winning the AFC South.
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Best quarterback is winning the AFC West. The best quarterback
is within a game in the AFC North. I mean,
go go, go over the NFC best quarterback leads the
NFC South. ARGUABLEE Stafford and Kyler Murray. You know Kyler
Murray now currently leads the NFC West. I don't think
he'll stay there. Best quarterback wins divisions and you draft one,
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hoping in the first round it works. Is Anthony Richards
sing Well. I talked about this yesterday Wall Street, Silicon
Valley in the NFL. A lot of billionaires. Billionaires aren't patient.
Billionaires are not patient. This is a playoff roster with it.
It's a rare situation, playoff roster, and the quarterback is
holding you back. Good luck to Joe Flatco, Jay MC.
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A lot of stuff going on. So there was a
moment in that Yankee game. A ball gets it over,
Mookie Bets goes over to get it, and Yankee fans
are fighting with Mookie Bets and people, you know, people
got all they got all worked up about it.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Well, I mean I refer to the guy as Joey
Bagga Donuts, you know, front row.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
He's like, oh, grab is it?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Uh, Colin, you can't do it, You can't. That's a
bad look for Yankees fans. Yeah, I mean the guys
were rejected instantly, right, Well, I think they're gonna be
allowed back tonight. You think they're gonna get back in
the station way?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, he's a season ticket hole.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
He's think they're gonna let him back in, and I
are letting him back in.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
He's a say some ticket holder.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That's insanity.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, So we'll talk about that coming up next.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
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Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, there was a Yankee fan last night. It's got
people really worked up. And I and I will say this,
as a guy, there there are things I love about
being a guy, but you have to be careful about,
you know, hanging around for guys, you have to be
very careful about who you hang around, especially if there's
cocktails included. Uh, you put a bunch of guys together,
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there's not a lot of high level thinking at a
frat party. Guys get dumber if they're around other guys.
Guys will do things in groups of other men they
would never do. It's called herd mentality. And that's not
a slogan for my show. It's just the reality of men.
They've I wish this was just an opinion or a theory.
They've done studies on this. Guy get dumber when they're
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around other guys, and they do they do things. So
here's what happens. The name of the guy here is
Austin koppfol Bianco. He's a season ticket holder, and he
and his buddy do something they they shouldn't have done.
And here it is.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Fly right by Torres Bets in the corner. Does he
have them fights.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
With a fan and they're gonna say that it's an
out and fan interference, so an out one gone. In
this first it's the second time that liber Torres has
hit a ball that has ended up in fan interference.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
In this series. He had the home run turned.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Into a double back at Dodger Stadium and yeah, Bet
says that ball in his glove and this fan literally
tries to take his glove off.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
He tries the ball out of there.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Mookie Bets is like, no big deal because Mookie Bets
is smarter than those guys. And Mookie Bets realizes, just guys,
maybe a beer in. You're not getting high level thinking, yeah,
they got thrown out. They knew they would. But literally,
kafol Bianco said, I patrol the wall and they know it.
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He sees himself as very valuable. He thinks it should
be in Monument Park Garrig Ruth and him. I mean,
that's how that's what you get guys around each other
and that's what they think. So you know, obviously you
have to throw him out. But I mean, I see
this all the time when you jam fans. You know,
next athletes in the NBA, you got fans on the court,
you lubricate him with cocktails. They're served and you know,
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don't be shocked if a half a dozen times during
the year minimum you have to throw some fans out.
So I mean again, this this guy thinks he's very
valuable and very important. He thinks he thinks, honestly, if
it wasn't for his high school baseball coach not liking
him right now, he should be inserted into the lineup
and not Aaron Judge. I mean, they've done studies on
this where seventy five percent of men think they would
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be pro athletes if not for a you had it
out for them, or an injury. So as a guy,
a rent, when you put guys together, I've just baked
this into society. This is what they do in these
big spots. They're going to be invited back their season
ticket holders. They view themselves. It's very tribal and territorial.
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That wall is theirs. It's not the Dodgers. I don't
think it's the end of the world. People are saying
it should be assault. Mookie Bets smarter than everybody in
that space, is like, it's no big deal. We're all
going to be good, and we all are going to
be good. But that's just the reality of you know,
this isn't the first time this happened. This happened again,
was it the Orioles Yankees years ago? I mean, this
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stuff happens in sports. And if you want to charge
fans increasingly hundreds of dollars to go to a game,
and you want them to be seasoned ticket holders, they're
all in. These fans are all in, and I mean
that's what makes sports great. Remember when we had COVID
and you had to fake fans, sports didn't feel the same.
And so you're always towing a line. I mean, you
could not serve alcohol, you could do that, but teams
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want to do that because they have big deals with
Budweiser and Miller and all those companies. So there's always
been this line where you try to keep fans as
far enough away from players as you can, but you
got to get them close because you can charge them
more and you want to serve him beer. This is
American sports. It's not the end of the world. Jmac
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doesn't think these guys should be allowed back in, and
a lot of people are have that sort of feeling.
In My take is we got to take a deep breath.
Sports is imperfect part of the whole fan player experience.
In alcohol, you put guys together, you get really bad judgment.
You don't get nuanced reasoning and sportsmanship. This is part
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of what you get.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
So it's less about the guy who caught it. Look
at his buddy. Yeah, grabs Bets's wrists while he's jumping.
That's not smarter safe. Just think in any other sport
if a fan's grabbing you an NFL player knew the
stands an NBA player, it's going to get ugly pretty quickly.
I don't think these guys have any business being at
the games, and I'm a Yankee fan, like this is
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just embarrassing, Like they should not be back alive.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
You and I would be embarrassed. I mean, if I
was on TV doing this, I would be embarrased.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I would go for the ball, but you're not grabbing
mookie bit risk like horse.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I wouldn't. But you know, I think in their life,
they they've viewed themselves as the Grand Slam and that
moment were the keys to the game. They're probably like,
do you want me on the postgame show? I've got
plenty of time here. I get a J Mack with
a news no.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
No, no, this is the herds.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I get this. They're fifteen minutes of fame. Well look
it up, you know, trying to become an influencer online.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You know, I have said this for years, the idea
of being a season ticket holder in baseball, Like I
like going to games, but unless you're retired, who has
time to go to eighty one games? These are season
ticket holders. This is a big part of their life.
The Yankees love that. It's a big part of their life. So,
I mean, one of the things my wife and I
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talk about all the time. I can't believe on Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday nights in America you're going to games and seeing
people go into these games and getting home at one
in the morning. That's what makes sports great. And I've
just baked it in. You're gonna have these weird moments
with fans is sport. Two things drive smart men crazy
and make smart men stupid. Beautiful women in sports, beautiful
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women in sports, you make even smart guys dumb.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
We could probably add politics to that list. But I'm
just seeing a report now that one of these gentlemen
is going to throw out the opening pitch tonight. That's
an early report. I don't know if it's confirmed yet.
All Right, let's get to herdline. The Eagles, Colin. They're
back on track after that third straight win. They blew
out the Cincinnati Bungles. I mean, Jalen Hurts is on fire,
coming off his four touchdown performance last week. He credits
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his success to learning from last season's failures, saying, I
think our season started last year from my vantage point
is something I've learned a ton from and I think
it's benefited us now. Eagles big home favorites against the
reeling Jaguars believers, Yet in Philly, well, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I don't think you can win Super Bowls or conference
championships unless if you have an average coach, Unless you
have great coordinators, I'm not sure the Eagles do. I
like the Eagles this weekend, even though it's seven and
a half. I think it's I think because when Philadelphia
is rolling, I think if you said what are the
three or four best rosters in football, I would go Detroit,
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San Francisco, Baltimore now looks pretty good, and then I
would say Philadelphia. And I think they're one of those
teams where you cannot watch them play and not see
the power, athleticism, speed. So the minute they have an
impressive win, we all come roaring back to the Eagles.
You know, a lot of teams win. The Rams are
super young, they can win, and they don't blow you away.
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They just like schematically McVeigh and Stafford win. When Philly
wins and blows somebody out, it's impressive looking because they
have so many great play So I get everybody back
on board. I still hesitate.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I think they have four new defensive starters, and if
you look at the transitions they've made from that season
opener against the Packers, remember Packers were carving them up
up and down the field with the big plays. You
watch it Bengals game and the secondary starting to come together.
It's just Philadelphia and Washington that division have to make.
Jerry Jones really nervous dude. I'm just I don't see
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how the Cowboys overtake either of those teams unless there's
a massive injury. Yeah, Dallas is not looking good man.
Next story, Let's go to the Cowboys column. Lots of
questions about the roster choices and contract manage him throughout
the offseason and into the regular season. Jerry Jones discussed
his all in comments from earlier this year, once again
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look to clarify what he meant going all in on
Dak and CD. Good luck understanding, Jerry.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Jones, that were really the principal reason you saw that
all in things so much. I wanted to make that
commitment with that. I've always looked at the dollars we
spend in football and on the roster. I've always looked
at them as scholarships. When you give a lot of
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scholarships to any one player in terms of your cap,
in terms of the dollars, then mu's least you got
to give to another player.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I didn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I try to understand it.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I listened to the whole thing twice before the show,
and I didn't get it.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
So listen, I know there's a lot of smart people
in the Dallas organization. Can we tell Jerry they got Jerry?
Can we just let let's just dial back the radio interviews.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Let's let the more radio interviews he does through the years,
they're getting progressively worse. Years ago, they were funny, they
were kind of funny when he would say something, he'd
make a point. Now there's a lot of rambling and
he's trying to tie the threads all together, and a
lot of times I'm just left scratching my head.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
The tours going through that stadium. That's not the distraction.
These interviews are the distraction. This is where That's where
we are with the Dallas Cowboys. By the way, Falcons
Cowboys Falcons two and a half point bow.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I actually like, you know what, from a betting perspective,
I like Dallas when I when remember Geno Smith carved
up the Falcons. So Atlanta has no pass rush, and
so there are certain quarterbacks in this league when they
have time to throw. Geno Smith looks like an a quarterback.
Dak Prescott with time to throw, can be a very
very solid quarterback. Kirk Cousins similarly, so I think Dak's
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going to have time to throw the entire seasons on
the line. The Falcons just came out of a wildly
emotional division game. I think Atlanta is susceptible here of
the next four or five weeks. This is the spot
I actually like Dallas in.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I would agree, I think a lot of scoring. But Colin,
the pushback is the last two performances they had that
were good. Well, Pittsburgh and San fran were outdoors when
they play indoors, and this one's in into Atlanta. They
got blasted by Detroit. They got shredded by Baltimore for
much of that game. We saw the New Orleans game.
They got how they don't have the speed defensively, Bijon Drake, London,
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even Moody could could have a big game here. I'd
be careful, but I understand your sentiment with Cowboys bouncing
back here. The final story, Colin is Matt lafleur Uh.
We talked. We heard from him yesterday about the matchup
against the Lions. Really good game this weekend, probably the
best game of the weekend. He called the Lions arguably
the NFL's best team. Well, Detroit got some more praise
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from Bill Belichick, who discussed with Jared Goff just how
good the Lions offense is.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
It's impossible, I think for a defense to really stop
the you know, your offense. It's it's really there are
too many weapons, the offensive lines too good. Blitzen's not
the answer. Not Blitzen's not the answer. I mean, I
think you just gotta you know, and playing you guys.
To me, it would just be, you know, hang on
and and you know, try to create as many long
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drives and as many long situations as possible. And but
that's hard because you have so many explosive players and
you do just such a good job to distribute in the ball.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It really is. I mean, if you were building an
offense today in the NFL, you'd say, Okay, let's start
with a quarterback that can get us to a Super Bowl.
GoF did give me a great offensive line to control
the line of scrimmage, Boom, give me a good deep
threat have it? And a great volume possession guy with
speed have it. Can we get a couple of backs, Yeah,
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we'll give you the best combo in the league. Do
we have a decent tight end, Sam Laporta, I mean
there's literally oh, by the way, give me a clever
young offensive coordinator. I mean you, honestly, this is a
perfect offense. You would start with a super Bowl level quarterback,
a dominant O line, a deep threat, a possession threat,
and then above average tight end and running back set.
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And they have all of it. I mean, I would
argue if you just if you took a Pro Bowl
offense and you put it up against Detroit's just Detroit's
they can compete with it. That's how good it is.
Don't see a weakness. I mean, generally speaking, you know
you'll have like a great old line and an excellent
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deep threat. They checked like seven key boxes. I think
Belichick's absolutely right. You don't stop Detroit. What you hope
for is you could force a turnover, or you create
enough offense to keep their offense off the field and
get them out of rhythm. But you're not gonna win
a track meet with them. They nobody in the league. Baltimore,
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maybe Green Bay kind of feels like there's a gap,
But on Kansas City didn't have anything like this.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You know, Occayal they give out nuggets on games you
like them. Last week a lot Detroit's first outdoor game
this season.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yes, at Green Bay this gonna be a little chilling it.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Okay, I haven't checked the weather yet. I know it's
gonna be unseasonably warm on the East Coast for Halloween.
But let's see this Sunday in Green Bay and do
they do they let the grass grow? Maybe to slow
down this track team. This game is fascinating. I cannot
wait for this game like this is. I don't even
know if I'll bet on it, but.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I'm sure who's quarterbacking for Green Bay TVD. Yeah, I
don't like that. If you gave me Jordan Love, I'd
give you a shot. Malik Willis is not beating Detroit.
That's that's a big ask.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I think we asked that Malik Willis beatud may be
two decent teams. Earlier this year he started games and
people were like, oh, yeah, he's not gonna beat the uh.
I think it was the Titans in Cultore. Those are
bad teams yet. Anywa, the tallt order for Malik Willis here,
But it's not like the Detroit defense is amazing. Colin
no Aiden Hutchison, I might uh might take a nibble
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on the on the pack your guy, Milik Willison.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I actually have a couple of picks. I like, I've
had two. I love Rams is one of my picks.
Rams one one of the ones I like. Jmckle.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
The news, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping
by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So this is a true story. I'm not making it up.
I'm trying to not talk about the jet, but they
keep giving me stories. Aaron Rodgers, he stole this idea
from his punter, says he is. I'm not making this up.
He has found quote a little fountain of youth. He's
found a He's found a fountain of youth. And he
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said he feels better than he has all year at practice.
And here it is.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Timo gave me a little fond of youth. He said
he's been he's been taking for a while, all legal.
Of course, I've been kind of gassing him up with
this why I'm feel a little bit better. But he's
been taking like cayenne pepper and water. So he gave
me some before the game. So pretty good. But I've
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been kind of gassing them up, that's why. So yet
I'm not sure how much that's client ef factor.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
He's become your crazy uncle who shows up at Thanksgiving
and always has a new concoction or business idea. So
if you have not followed the Jets, let me update
on what happened. First, they fired the head coach five
games in. He was to blame. Then a week later
they demoted the offensive coordinator. He was to blame. The
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next stage was bringing in Aaron's buddy, Devonte Adams. They
lost that game too, it didn't count. And now they've
pivoted to Cayenne pepperwater. That is the four stages of
football grief that I mean, they've run out of there.
If they lose tomorrow night, he may do an in
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season darkness retreat. I mean, that's where we at, and
that is where we are at with Aaron Rodgers and
all joking aside. You know what this New York Jets
team looks like. You know what they look like a
company without a plan. They brought in Aaron Rodgers step
one and step two will just see what works. They
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don't have any plan. They have no plan. This is
what bad teams do, bad businesses do.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
It's it's it's basically it's having the baby to save
the marriage. It's where we're gonna bringing Aaron Rodgers do
you have the right coach, We're not sure. Coordinator, don't
love him. Offensive line. We brought in some new guys,
but they're old guys. That's it. This is a bad company.
Step one, bringing Aaron. Step two, we'll see what sticks.
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And you know, and I'll say, I'll give my staff
credit for this. They handed this to me ten minutes ago,
so I know you think I pick on Aaron. So
they went back the last four seasons. This is too
heavy and too much data for the radio audience. I apologize,
but they went back this this whole thing is about
the decline of Aaron. And they went back to the
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twenty twenty season, the twenty twenty one, the twenty twenty two,
the twenty twenty four, because remember twenty twenty three played
four snaps, didn't play. Look at the drop off, forget
the wins. Look at the completion percentage year seventy one,
sixty nine, sixty five, sixty one, the passer rating last
four years one, twenty one, one, eleven, ninety one eighty
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five like that, that is there's no argument there. Kyenne
Pepper Water is not turning that decline around. And they
play Houston tomorrow. Who do you like in that one
Jay Mac.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
By the way, Jets are now two point favorites in
that money just pouring in on the Jets. Obviously the
two and six Jets people freaking out. How were they
favored over the six and two Texans? And take a
look at that Texans roster right now, it's skip position.
Guys are beat up. But can the Jet stop Joe
Mixon on.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
The ground, I'll take Texans.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
I think I'm gonna go tricker treating with my kids
over watch this garbage. The Jets are garbage, Let's be real.
I know that's a buzzword this week, but they're unwatchable.
They lost to the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Col come on, well, that's because at that point Aaron
hadn't been taking Kyle pepperwater right.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noonie Star ninety in Pacific. Got to start at
early for the Dodgers again, Freeman cracks one deep.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
To right, Faield Heap gone again.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Four games, four home runs.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
You gotta be kidding, Please stop, they say, Anthony Walpe.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
The New York Kids faces hurted, cranks Apoll.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Deep failed, bumpy with rejection.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
It's a grand Slam just what they needed, and we've
got a Game five and the Bronx tomorrow night.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Last night, the Yankees rallied to extend the World Series
to a fifth game tonight at Yankee Stadium. They'll try
to keep their comeback hopes alive while the Dodgers look
to clinch their eighth championship in franchise history. Coverage of
Game five begins tonight at seventiestern four Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Ond Fot A friend of mine's mad at me. He says,
I can't believe your take, and I can't believe I
agree with jamac He said, Colin, how can you let
those Yankee fans off the hook? They could have broken
Molky Betts's wrist to know you didn't. But my takeaway is,
if I get pulled over by a cop and I'm
going fifteen miles an hour over the speed limit, he
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can't go. You could have killed somebody. Manslaughter charge. I
didn't just give me a speeding ticket, But you can't
charge people based on what could have happened. What terrible
things could happen in life every fifteen minutes, but they don't.
And so my take on what happened in the outfield
is I could see saying, Okay, you're not coming the
rest of the season. We're not letting you back in
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the stadium. That I could totally get. That's probably what
I would do if I was the Yankees, I'd probably
say like, hey, guys, we love you, but you're not
coming in the stadium tonight. By the way, they could
put on easily, put on mustaches, glasses and get their
way into a stadium. People have done that before. I mean,
Bobby Valentine managed the Mets, and he that it is
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a manager, so it happens. But I don't think you
can charge people based on what could have should have happened.
It's just bad judgment. Guys have bad judgment when they're
around other guys. You get them lubricated. You know this
is not ideal. Obviously kick him out for the night.
But yeah, I think I think you toe the line.
When these sports franchises apply people with alcohol, they get
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him closer to athletes. You want to keep leveraging the
most money you can get as an organization, so you
can keep Wan Soto, so you're charging fans more and
more and more. Those guys knew they were going to
get kicked out, but they're prideful. I mean they look
at it. They went to cross the street to a bar.
ESPN interviewed him. I wouldn't have, but ESPN didn't say,
what do you guys think, Hey, we protect that wall
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into our wall. That's how guys think, Like that's the
herd mentality. So I but I don't think you can say, well,
it could have broken somebody's wrists. I mean, there are
people on the internet. That's a salt, that's a that's
not even a slippery slope that that that's not a salt.
Mookie Bets said, it happens. I'm over it. Let's move on,
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which is my take. Stuff happens, Let's not overreact. Okay.
So I'm reading a story this morning, and twenty twenty
three the draft, we already have two busts. Bryce Young
and Anthony Richardson look like busts. One's too small and
one's a great athlete but can't throw the ball accurately.
So there's a reason this keeps happening, and it feels
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like we're getting some big bus here. Why Number one is,
you can't win in this league without a star quarterback. Increasingly,
the rules help offense and are more quarterback friendly, So
it's more of an offensive league than ever it used
to be. If you came in with a great defense
in a run game, you could get to a conference championship.
You just need more otherwise, you know, Pittsburgh Steelers would
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be the favorite. You got to have a star quarterback
mostly in his prime. Number two is owners now are billionaires,
not one hundred millionaire, so they're more impatient than ever.
Number three is gms and coaches to save their job
and to Playkate saytiate appease. The owner are taking more
risks on guys who have one or two skills but
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haven't really proven they can sit in the pocket, read
a defense, throw darts, and so I mean again this
whole sport. We fall in love with athleticism, and I
like athleticism, but what I really like is sit in
the pocket and be accurate. Let's go to the last eight, nine,
ten drafts. Look who the number one quarterback is at
a last draft. So let's go out of this draft.
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So far, it's Jaden Daniels has been the best quarterback easily.
He's on pace for the highest completion percentage seventy two
percent of any rookie quarterback ever. Yes, he's an athlete.
He's really accurate. Year before CJ. Stroud, What did we notice?
Immediately sits in the pocket and throw darts led the
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NFL in touchdown to interception ratio in his rookie season.
Doesn't throw a lot of picks, throws a lot of
touchdowns Number twenty twenty two. Brock Perty, Yes he can
move a little. Highest completion percentage by any quarterback in
league history through thirty starts. Before that, Trevor Lawrence prototypical
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pocket passer. Yes he can move, but even in the dysfunction,
he's completing sixty five and a half percent of his
throws even in their dysfunction. Last three years passer rating
ninety two, completion percentage sixty five, and that's with dysfunction.
The twenty twenty draft. Joe Burrow highest completion percentage in
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NFL history. One of the only guys that can go
toe to toe with Mahomes in big plays on third
and fourth down his specialty. Yes, he can move accuracy
before that Kyler Murray, Well Colin, he moves, yes, but
he also has the seventh highest completion percentage in league history.
I've been on this for years. He throws the prettiest ball.
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He and Jared Goff may through the prettiest ball in
the league. Before that draft, it's Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Well, Lamar,
believe it or not, has a sixty seven percent career
completion percentage. He's always been better in the pocket than
people think. And Josh Allen this year fourteen TD's one pick,
he's cut down. He wasn't very accurate to start, but
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by year three he was more accurate. Patrick Mahomes twenty
seventeen draft highest passer rating in league history from the
park pocket his career high seventy one completion percentage from
the pocket this season, So even though the offense is struggling,
he's having his most accurate year throwing to like a
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second and third tier wide receiver corps. And before that,
Jared Goff this year's most accurate quarterback and with protection,
he's basically Matt Ryan with a better arm, highly efficient.
So you know, we look at all these busts, go
look at the last nine drafts. Now, some of these guys,
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like like Lamar Jackson are hyper athletic. Lamar completes in
his career sixty seven percent of his throws. That's the game.
We fall in love with. Athletic, a building. Yes, Kyler
Murri can run. He throws a beautiful football. You know,
years when Lamar first came in stylistically, I didn't know
if it was gonna work. I looked at it and
I thought, I don't know if it was going to work.
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But he was so athletic that it bought him a
couple of years to get better in the pocket. But
he was always he had a quirky delivery. He was
always pretty accurate. He was accurate to Mark Andrews. And
now they finally got him wide receivers like Zay Flowers,
and now he's really good from the pocket. So you know,
I think you have to have a good quarterback. Owners
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are richer and more impatient, and then coaches in GMS,
feeling that down pressure, that pressure on top of them,
are taking bigger risks on guys who may have one
skill but like Bryce Young he's really small, or Anthony Richardson,
he's really raw and more of an athlete. You got
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to sit in the pocket and throw darts. That's it.
If you can't, you're not gonna win Super Bowls. It'd
be hard to get to a conference championship. Joel Clatt
Next hour, Michael Lervino was fun in the show. He's
going to be stopping by as well. And so j Mac.
We get we have. We've had two or three big
disagreements on the show in the history. Brock Purty, big disagreement.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
What's the disagreement there?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
You think he's Joe Montana. I don't, and I would
say this falls into one of our top five or
six disagreements. You think these guys are bumps, should be
thrown out, Get him out of the stadium. I think, yeah,
don't let him come in tonight. But buy and large.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I mean they can come back next season. I don't
want to see him in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Come on, man, you've gone to games, You've sat next
to guys.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I don't touch players. What I'm no, no, no, no,
grab Mookie Betts. Get the hell out of here.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
Make one.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Joel Klatz Around the Corner. Hour two and a Wednesday,
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Here we go on a Wednesday midweek, ready to roll.
Dodgers decided to be kind and thoughtful, give the Yankees
a night to rejoice live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be watching
or listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Jamack Joel Klatt one hour from now, Ohio State penn
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State gonna be one of the games of the year
in college football out in Pennsylvania, which is a very
important dust state these days. Couldn't decide a lot of things,
You know that the Yankees were such a proud franchise.
I mean all they do now is beat the American
League Central in the playoffs, right, Like that's what they do.
Take out those wins and they're like way or five hundred.
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But it used to be like at least Yankee fans
were knowledgeable and had some self awareness. They're all getting
fired up off last night and they're just getting played,
And so we start with that. Yes, the Yankees won
eleven to four, What a night. They trail now three
to one in the series. There's three games left and
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two are in LA. The guy that started for the
Dodgers is only the second pitcher ever to make his
first start in the World Series. The Dodgers punted last night.
It's called strategy. You'll see even great tennis players in
a Grand Slam event to conserve energy, get down in
a game or a set, and just punt it for
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the next set. You get down five to one, punt it,
you know, to get to the next set. That's all
the Dodgers did. That's why what Dave Roberts is doing
is very shrewd. He's not just managing the Dodgers, he's
managing resources. They don't have any pitchers, and the ones
they do are really good. I mean Walker Buehler. If
that's the new Walker Buehler, this series is over. I
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mean Yamamoto, Flaherty. We know those guys are good. We
know the top relievers are good. That's the pod Raives
Mets and the Dodgers, pod Rays Mets, excuse me, and
the Yankees. But oh, last night was was strategy. It
was basically, you know, it's like it's like chess. The
Yankees got a pawn last night. They didn't get a queen.
That's all that happened. I mean, do you really think
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the bottom seven, eight nine hitters in your lineup in
New York are now gonna get red hot. It's great
that Austin Wells crushed. He's still only hitting a buck
thirty in the series. Aaron Judge can't hit. The best
relievers for the Dodgers are better than the best relievers
for the Yankees, and the best hitters for the Dodgers
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are better than the best hitters for the Yankees. The
Yankees got seven runs out of their seven, eight and
nine hitters. You got a pawn. It's strategy. It's conserving energy.
I mean, Dave, I mean, Aaron Judges is still hitting
a buck fifty two. Freddie Freeman is still on fire.
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The best pitchers for the Yankees, Garrett Cole goes, there's
your shot, But then you're heading back to La. Even
if the Yankees win tonight. So it's one of those
things like Yankee fans, Hello, do you see what's going on?
We said yesterday on this show, Yankees is gonna win
this thing. It's a bullpen session. And by the way,
Dodgers get a lead, they're like, eh, we may wrap
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this puppy up. But by the time the Yankees hit
the Grand Slam, it's like, all right, empty the bullpen.
Here's Dave Roberts, who is playing chess after it's challenging.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I think that you've got to be certain that you
can score some runs. There's certainly any guy that we
use tonight would would would have not been able to
pitch tomorrow and being down to going into the uh
that last half. It just doesn't make sense to use
one of your leverage guys, you know, as far as
outcomes to have, you know, six guys in your pen
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that are feeling good, rested. I feel good about that
and being up three to one.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, yeah, So I wouldn't be shocked if Garrett Cole
gives you six great innings tonight, and if I'm by
the way, if I'm Aaron Boone and he gives you
eighty eight great pitches, let him go. Let him go
because you're you know, there's one guy so far we've
seen on this Yankee staff that can mow through the Dodgers,
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and that's Garrett Cole. So in Game one he was excellent,
eighty eight pitches. They pulled him series went downhill really quickly.
Let him go because this puppy's going back to LA
and the Dodgers are rested. Their bullpen is rested and
ready to roll. So this was kind of a thing
that broke on yesterday's show, but it needs to be contextualized.
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So Shane Steiken's the coach of the Indianapolis Colts. He's
really good. Years and years and years ago he was
with the Chargers and a friend of mine, Tom Tellusko,
who was the GM, said, man, we got this young coach,
Shane Steiken. He had Herbert. He's like, this guy's going
to be a star head coach.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
He is.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
He is really sharp. So when Shane Stiken made Jalen
Hurts almost the MVP, he made Justin Herbert set all
the rookie quarterback records, and when Anthony Richardson he waved
the white flag, He's like, I give up. He put
in Joe Flacco, and the quote is going forward. The
Colts are going to play Joe Flacco. For the record,
I think it's the right move. I think Joe Flackell
is going to win a bunch of games, and I
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think the Colts have a very good team. They're being
held back. But now here comes you see this in
the media. Protect the young athlete. Josh Allen and Anthony
Richardson through ten career starts, it was dead even slight
edge anthonyan Richardson, Kay, you have to watch the games.
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You want to go to stats. Justin Fields who got
benched in Pittsburgh and Russell Wilson came in and the
offense is much better. Justin Fields right now is a
higher passer rating than Matt Stafford. Geno Smith is better
than Patrick Mahomes statistically in every category this year. Have
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you watched the Chiefs in Mahomes in big spots, third down,
fourth down, goal line. Geno Smith statistically is better than Mahomes.
Not in your life. Justin Fields is better statistically than
Matt Stafford. What are we talking about? So let's talk
about Josh Allen. When he went to the Bills, they
had nothing to work with They had two good receivers
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I think because one Robert Foster I've never heard of.
They had no running game. Josh Allen was the running game.
He was their offense, and he came in as a
much much more ballyhooed prospect out of college. Anthony Richardson
had thirteen college starts. He wasn't good in college. But
Anthony Richardson has a top five running back Jonathan Taylor,
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a brilliant offensive coach, Shane Steikn, excellent wide receiver talent,
and the top five offensive line according to PFF. And
he's getting worse. He's getting worse by the start. Also,
Anthony Richardson took himself out of a game and said
I was tired. So his self awareness appears to be
below average and his mechanics aren't getting better. But you
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got to contextualize this stuff. You can't go to ten starts, Okay,
what was Indianapolis Like? Indianapolis is a quarterback away and
from first year to this year, he's gotten significantly worse.
Josh Allen came to an offense with a defensive culture
and Sean McDermott that had nothing receivers, tight ends, run game,
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o line. None of it was good, none of it.
And also Josh Allen got even within his first rookie season,
Josh Allen's first six games, he had two touchdown passes.
He was overwhelmed, the game was fast. His last six
games of his rookie season, he quadrupled that and had
eight touchdown passes. So even within the first season, you
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could see Josh Allen go from WHOA, this game is fast,
WHOA I'm making mistakes to settle down, quadrupled his touchdowns.
He was a real guy. So and not to mention,
Josh Allen went from like five and six first year
to ten and six second year, WHOA, we got a
superstar to thirteen and three and he's on his way.
So you could see every four or five starts, Josh
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Allen was getting noticeably better with nothing around him. Anthony
Richardson has real weapons around him, Pittman downs, Jonathan Taylor,
a top offensive line, a brilliant offensive coach, and it's
man overboard man. It's like life preservers. This thing is sinking.
So this is not like Shane Steichen is rooting against
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the kid. Right. This is a tough decision because since
Peyton Manning and Andrew luck have both left. They're just
desperately trying to find the quarterback. It says if the
media thinks some in the media think the Colts wanted
this to happen, they wanted this to work. They're seeing CJ.
Stroud beat him three hundred the last four times. The
Colts don't want to do this. The owner doesn't want
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to do it. Chris Boulder, the GM doesn't want to
do it. Shane Steiken doesn't want to go to Joe Flacco.
This isn't in the plan. But sometimes when you have
a really good roster with really good players, and the
Colts do they really do it's a really good roster.
This is a winnable division with the right quarterback, you
don't eve mean a great quarterback. I'll make the argument
if Joe Flacco stays upright, they're gonna reel off wins
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and potentially be a nine or ten win team looking
at a wild card spot. Now the Jets are bad,
the Dolphins are wonky Colts could fight for a playoff spot.
Here is Ryan Kelly, the team's center, on Richardson asking
bizarre out of the game Sunday.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
We had a conversation about it, and you know, I
think you notice not the standard that you know that
he needs to play up to, and the rest of
the team holds them too. And I'll kind of leave
the conversation that we had at that, but you know,
I'm sure he's gonna take the criticism for that just rightfully.
So right, I mean, that's a tough, tough look easy young.
I'm sure it's a learning moment for him. And leave
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it that.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, the Colts would prefer not to do this. This
is not what teams want to do. The Chargers didn't
start justin Herbert and think we hope it fails. And
by year two we're moving to a veteran. You're praying
this stuff works because all you have to do is
look at the standings right now. Best quarterback is winning
the AFC East. Best quarterback is winning the AFC South.
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Best quarterback is winning the AFC West. The best quarterback
is within a game in the AFC North. I mean,
go go, go over the NFC best quarterback leads the
NFC South. ARGUABLEE Stafford and Kyler Murray. You know Kyler
Murray now currently leads the NFC West. I don't think
he'll stay there. Best quarterback wins divisions and you draft one,
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hoping in the first round it works. Is Anthony Richards
sing Well. I talked about this yesterday Wall Street, Silicon
Valley in the NFL. A lot of billionaires. Billionaires aren't patient.
Billionaires are not patient. This is a playoff roster with it.
It's a rare situation, playoff roster, and the quarterback is
holding you back. Good luck to Joe Flatco, Jay MC.
(11:27):
A lot of stuff going on. So there was a
moment in that Yankee game. A ball gets it over,
Mookie Bets goes over to get it, and Yankee fans
are fighting with Mookie Bets and people, you know, people
got all they got all worked up about it.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Well, I mean I refer to the guy as Joey
Bagga Donuts, you know, front row.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
He's like, oh, grab is it?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Uh, Colin, you can't do it, You can't. That's a
bad look for Yankees fans. Yeah, I mean the guys
were rejected instantly, right, Well, I think they're gonna be
allowed back tonight. You think they're gonna get back in
the station way?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, he's a season ticket hole.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
He's think they're gonna let him back in, and I
are letting him back in.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
He's a say some ticket holder.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That's insanity.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, So we'll talk about that coming up next.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
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Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, there was a Yankee fan last night. It's got
people really worked up. And I and I will say this,
as a guy, there there are things I love about
being a guy, but you have to be careful about,
you know, hanging around for guys, you have to be
very careful about who you hang around, especially if there's
cocktails included. Uh, you put a bunch of guys together,
(12:40):
there's not a lot of high level thinking at a
frat party. Guys get dumber if they're around other guys.
Guys will do things in groups of other men they
would never do. It's called herd mentality. And that's not
a slogan for my show. It's just the reality of men.
They've I wish this was just an opinion or a theory.
They've done studies on this. Guy get dumber when they're
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around other guys, and they do they do things. So
here's what happens. The name of the guy here is
Austin koppfol Bianco. He's a season ticket holder, and he
and his buddy do something they they shouldn't have done.
And here it is.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Fly right by Torres Bets in the corner. Does he
have them fights.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
With a fan and they're gonna say that it's an
out and fan interference, so an out one gone. In
this first it's the second time that liber Torres has
hit a ball that has ended up in fan interference.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
In this series. He had the home run turned.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Into a double back at Dodger Stadium and yeah, Bet
says that ball in his glove and this fan literally
tries to take his glove off.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
He tries the ball out of there.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Mookie Bets is like, no big deal because Mookie Bets
is smarter than those guys. And Mookie Bets realizes, just guys,
maybe a beer in. You're not getting high level thinking, yeah,
they got thrown out. They knew they would. But literally,
kafol Bianco said, I patrol the wall and they know it.
(14:13):
He sees himself as very valuable. He thinks it should
be in Monument Park Garrig Ruth and him. I mean,
that's how that's what you get guys around each other
and that's what they think. So you know, obviously you
have to throw him out. But I mean, I see
this all the time when you jam fans. You know,
next athletes in the NBA, you got fans on the court,
you lubricate him with cocktails. They're served and you know,
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don't be shocked if a half a dozen times during
the year minimum you have to throw some fans out.
So I mean again, this this guy thinks he's very
valuable and very important. He thinks he thinks, honestly, if
it wasn't for his high school baseball coach not liking
him right now, he should be inserted into the lineup
and not Aaron Judge. I mean, they've done studies on
this where seventy five percent of men think they would
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be pro athletes if not for a you had it
out for them, or an injury. So as a guy,
a rent, when you put guys together, I've just baked
this into society. This is what they do in these
big spots. They're going to be invited back their season
ticket holders. They view themselves. It's very tribal and territorial.
(15:19):
That wall is theirs. It's not the Dodgers. I don't
think it's the end of the world. People are saying
it should be assault. Mookie Bets smarter than everybody in
that space, is like, it's no big deal. We're all
going to be good, and we all are going to
be good. But that's just the reality of you know,
this isn't the first time this happened. This happened again,
was it the Orioles Yankees years ago? I mean, this
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stuff happens in sports. And if you want to charge
fans increasingly hundreds of dollars to go to a game,
and you want them to be seasoned ticket holders, they're
all in. These fans are all in, and I mean
that's what makes sports great. Remember when we had COVID
and you had to fake fans, sports didn't feel the same.
And so you're always towing a line. I mean, you
could not serve alcohol, you could do that, but teams
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want to do that because they have big deals with
Budweiser and Miller and all those companies. So there's always
been this line where you try to keep fans as
far enough away from players as you can, but you
got to get them close because you can charge them
more and you want to serve him beer. This is
American sports. It's not the end of the world. Jmac
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doesn't think these guys should be allowed back in, and
a lot of people are have that sort of feeling.
In My take is we got to take a deep breath.
Sports is imperfect part of the whole fan player experience.
In alcohol, you put guys together, you get really bad judgment.
You don't get nuanced reasoning and sportsmanship. This is part
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of what you get.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
So it's less about the guy who caught it. Look
at his buddy. Yeah, grabs Bets's wrists while he's jumping.
That's not smarter safe. Just think in any other sport
if a fan's grabbing you an NFL player knew the
stands an NBA player, it's going to get ugly pretty quickly.
I don't think these guys have any business being at
the games, and I'm a Yankee fan, like this is
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just embarrassing, Like they should not be back alive.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
You and I would be embarrassed. I mean, if I
was on TV doing this, I would be embarrased.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I would go for the ball, but you're not grabbing
mookie bit risk like horse.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I wouldn't. But you know, I think in their life,
they they've viewed themselves as the Grand Slam and that
moment were the keys to the game. They're probably like,
do you want me on the postgame show? I've got
plenty of time here. I get a J Mack with
a news no.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
No, no, this is the herds.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I get this. They're fifteen minutes of fame. Well look
it up, you know, trying to become an influencer online.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You know, I have said this for years, the idea
of being a season ticket holder in baseball, Like I
like going to games, but unless you're retired, who has
time to go to eighty one games? These are season
ticket holders. This is a big part of their life.
The Yankees love that. It's a big part of their life. So,
I mean, one of the things my wife and I
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talk about all the time. I can't believe on Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday nights in America you're going to games and seeing
people go into these games and getting home at one
in the morning. That's what makes sports great. And I've
just baked it in. You're gonna have these weird moments
with fans is sport. Two things drive smart men crazy
and make smart men stupid. Beautiful women in sports, beautiful
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women in sports, you make even smart guys dumb.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
We could probably add politics to that list. But I'm
just seeing a report now that one of these gentlemen
is going to throw out the opening pitch tonight. That's
an early report. I don't know if it's confirmed yet.
All Right, let's get to herdline. The Eagles, Colin. They're
back on track after that third straight win. They blew
out the Cincinnati Bungles. I mean, Jalen Hurts is on fire,
coming off his four touchdown performance last week. He credits
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his success to learning from last season's failures, saying, I
think our season started last year from my vantage point
is something I've learned a ton from and I think
it's benefited us now. Eagles big home favorites against the
reeling Jaguars believers, Yet in Philly, well, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I don't think you can win Super Bowls or conference
championships unless if you have an average coach, Unless you
have great coordinators, I'm not sure the Eagles do. I
like the Eagles this weekend, even though it's seven and
a half. I think it's I think because when Philadelphia
is rolling, I think if you said what are the
three or four best rosters in football, I would go Detroit,
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San Francisco, Baltimore now looks pretty good, and then I
would say Philadelphia. And I think they're one of those
teams where you cannot watch them play and not see
the power, athleticism, speed. So the minute they have an
impressive win, we all come roaring back to the Eagles.
You know, a lot of teams win. The Rams are
super young, they can win, and they don't blow you away.
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They just like schematically McVeigh and Stafford win. When Philly
wins and blows somebody out, it's impressive looking because they
have so many great play So I get everybody back
on board. I still hesitate.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I think they have four new defensive starters, and if
you look at the transitions they've made from that season
opener against the Packers, remember Packers were carving them up
up and down the field with the big plays. You
watch it Bengals game and the secondary starting to come together.
It's just Philadelphia and Washington that division have to make.
Jerry Jones really nervous dude. I'm just I don't see
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how the Cowboys overtake either of those teams unless there's
a massive injury. Yeah, Dallas is not looking good man.
Next story, Let's go to the Cowboys column. Lots of
questions about the roster choices and contract manage him throughout
the offseason and into the regular season. Jerry Jones discussed
his all in comments from earlier this year, once again
(20:45):
look to clarify what he meant going all in on
Dak and CD. Good luck understanding, Jerry.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Jones, that were really the principal reason you saw that
all in things so much. I wanted to make that
commitment with that. I've always looked at the dollars we
spend in football and on the roster. I've always looked
at them as scholarships. When you give a lot of
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scholarships to any one player in terms of your cap,
in terms of the dollars, then mu's least you got
to give to another player.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I didn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I try to understand it.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I listened to the whole thing twice before the show,
and I didn't get it.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
So listen, I know there's a lot of smart people
in the Dallas organization. Can we tell Jerry they got Jerry?
Can we just let let's just dial back the radio interviews.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Let's let the more radio interviews he does through the years,
they're getting progressively worse. Years ago, they were funny, they
were kind of funny when he would say something, he'd
make a point. Now there's a lot of rambling and
he's trying to tie the threads all together, and a
lot of times I'm just left scratching my head.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
The tours going through that stadium. That's not the distraction.
These interviews are the distraction. This is where That's where
we are with the Dallas Cowboys. By the way, Falcons
Cowboys Falcons two and a half point bow.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I actually like, you know what, from a betting perspective,
I like Dallas when I when remember Geno Smith carved
up the Falcons. So Atlanta has no pass rush, and
so there are certain quarterbacks in this league when they
have time to throw. Geno Smith looks like an a quarterback.
Dak Prescott with time to throw, can be a very
very solid quarterback. Kirk Cousins similarly, so I think Dak's
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going to have time to throw the entire seasons on
the line. The Falcons just came out of a wildly
emotional division game. I think Atlanta is susceptible here of
the next four or five weeks. This is the spot
I actually like Dallas in.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I would agree, I think a lot of scoring. But Colin,
the pushback is the last two performances they had that
were good. Well, Pittsburgh and San fran were outdoors when
they play indoors, and this one's in into Atlanta. They
got blasted by Detroit. They got shredded by Baltimore for
much of that game. We saw the New Orleans game.
They got how they don't have the speed defensively, Bijon Drake, London,
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even Moody could could have a big game here. I'd
be careful, but I understand your sentiment with Cowboys bouncing
back here. The final story, Colin is Matt lafleur Uh.
We talked. We heard from him yesterday about the matchup
against the Lions. Really good game this weekend, probably the
best game of the weekend. He called the Lions arguably
the NFL's best team. Well, Detroit got some more praise
(23:25):
from Bill Belichick, who discussed with Jared Goff just how
good the Lions offense is.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
It's impossible, I think for a defense to really stop
the you know, your offense. It's it's really there are
too many weapons, the offensive lines too good. Blitzen's not
the answer. Not Blitzen's not the answer. I mean, I
think you just gotta you know, and playing you guys.
To me, it would just be, you know, hang on
and and you know, try to create as many long
(23:52):
drives and as many long situations as possible. And but
that's hard because you have so many explosive players and
you do just such a good job to distribute in the ball.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It really is. I mean, if you were building an
offense today in the NFL, you'd say, Okay, let's start
with a quarterback that can get us to a Super Bowl.
GoF did give me a great offensive line to control
the line of scrimmage, Boom, give me a good deep
threat have it? And a great volume possession guy with
speed have it. Can we get a couple of backs, Yeah,
(24:21):
we'll give you the best combo in the league. Do
we have a decent tight end, Sam Laporta, I mean
there's literally oh, by the way, give me a clever
young offensive coordinator. I mean you, honestly, this is a
perfect offense. You would start with a super Bowl level quarterback,
a dominant O line, a deep threat, a possession threat,
and then above average tight end and running back set.
(24:44):
And they have all of it. I mean, I would
argue if you just if you took a Pro Bowl
offense and you put it up against Detroit's just Detroit's
they can compete with it. That's how good it is.
Don't see a weakness. I mean, generally speaking, you know
you'll have like a great old line and an excellent
(25:06):
deep threat. They checked like seven key boxes. I think
Belichick's absolutely right. You don't stop Detroit. What you hope
for is you could force a turnover, or you create
enough offense to keep their offense off the field and
get them out of rhythm. But you're not gonna win
a track meet with them. They nobody in the league. Baltimore,
(25:28):
maybe Green Bay kind of feels like there's a gap,
But on Kansas City didn't have anything like this.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You know, Occayal they give out nuggets on games you
like them. Last week a lot Detroit's first outdoor game
this season.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yes, at Green Bay this gonna be a little chilling it.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Okay, I haven't checked the weather yet. I know it's
gonna be unseasonably warm on the East Coast for Halloween.
But let's see this Sunday in Green Bay and do
they do they let the grass grow? Maybe to slow
down this track team. This game is fascinating. I cannot
wait for this game like this is. I don't even
know if I'll bet on it, but.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I'm sure who's quarterbacking for Green Bay TVD. Yeah, I
don't like that. If you gave me Jordan Love, I'd
give you a shot. Malik Willis is not beating Detroit.
That's that's a big ask.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I think we asked that Malik Willis beatud may be
two decent teams. Earlier this year he started games and
people were like, oh, yeah, he's not gonna beat the uh.
I think it was the Titans in Cultore. Those are
bad teams yet. Anywa, the tallt order for Malik Willis here,
But it's not like the Detroit defense is amazing. Colin
no Aiden Hutchison, I might uh might take a nibble
(26:38):
on the on the pack your guy, Milik Willison.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I actually have a couple of picks. I like, I've
had two. I love Rams is one of my picks.
Rams one one of the ones I like. Jmckle.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
The news, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping
by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So this is a true story. I'm not making it up.
I'm trying to not talk about the jet, but they
keep giving me stories. Aaron Rodgers, he stole this idea
from his punter, says he is. I'm not making this up.
He has found quote a little fountain of youth. He's
found a He's found a fountain of youth. And he
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said he feels better than he has all year at practice.
And here it is.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Timo gave me a little fond of youth. He said
he's been he's been taking for a while, all legal.
Of course, I've been kind of gassing him up with
this why I'm feel a little bit better. But he's
been taking like cayenne pepper and water. So he gave
me some before the game. So pretty good. But I've
(27:46):
been kind of gassing them up, that's why. So yet
I'm not sure how much that's client ef factor.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
He's become your crazy uncle who shows up at Thanksgiving
and always has a new concoction or business idea. So
if you have not followed the Jets, let me update
on what happened. First, they fired the head coach five
games in. He was to blame. Then a week later
they demoted the offensive coordinator. He was to blame. The
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next stage was bringing in Aaron's buddy, Devonte Adams. They
lost that game too, it didn't count. And now they've
pivoted to Cayenne pepperwater. That is the four stages of
football grief that I mean, they've run out of there.
If they lose tomorrow night, he may do an in
(28:33):
season darkness retreat. I mean, that's where we at, and
that is where we are at with Aaron Rodgers and
all joking aside. You know what this New York Jets
team looks like. You know what they look like a
company without a plan. They brought in Aaron Rodgers step
one and step two will just see what works. They
(28:57):
don't have any plan. They have no plan. This is
what bad teams do, bad businesses do.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
It's it's it's basically it's having the baby to save
the marriage. It's where we're gonna bringing Aaron Rodgers do
you have the right coach, We're not sure. Coordinator, don't
love him. Offensive line. We brought in some new guys,
but they're old guys. That's it. This is a bad company.
Step one, bringing Aaron. Step two, we'll see what sticks.
(29:26):
And you know, and I'll say, I'll give my staff
credit for this. They handed this to me ten minutes ago,
so I know you think I pick on Aaron. So
they went back the last four seasons. This is too
heavy and too much data for the radio audience. I apologize,
but they went back this this whole thing is about
the decline of Aaron. And they went back to the
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twenty twenty season, the twenty twenty one, the twenty twenty two,
the twenty twenty four, because remember twenty twenty three played
four snaps, didn't play. Look at the drop off, forget
the wins. Look at the completion percentage year seventy one,
sixty nine, sixty five, sixty one, the passer rating last
four years one, twenty one, one, eleven, ninety one eighty
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five like that, that is there's no argument there. Kyenne
Pepper Water is not turning that decline around. And they
play Houston tomorrow. Who do you like in that one
Jay Mac.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
By the way, Jets are now two point favorites in
that money just pouring in on the Jets. Obviously the
two and six Jets people freaking out. How were they
favored over the six and two Texans? And take a
look at that Texans roster right now, it's skip position.
Guys are beat up. But can the Jet stop Joe
Mixon on.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
The ground, I'll take Texans.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
I think I'm gonna go tricker treating with my kids
over watch this garbage. The Jets are garbage, Let's be real.
I know that's a buzzword this week, but they're unwatchable.
They lost to the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Col come on, well, that's because at that point Aaron
hadn't been taking Kyle pepperwater right.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noonie Star ninety in Pacific. Got to start at
early for the Dodgers again, Freeman cracks one deep.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
To right, Faield Heap gone again.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Four games, four home runs.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
You gotta be kidding, Please stop, they say, Anthony Walpe.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
The New York Kids faces hurted, cranks Apoll.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Deep failed, bumpy with rejection.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
It's a grand Slam just what they needed, and we've
got a Game five and the Bronx tomorrow night.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Last night, the Yankees rallied to extend the World Series
to a fifth game tonight at Yankee Stadium. They'll try
to keep their comeback hopes alive while the Dodgers look
to clinch their eighth championship in franchise history. Coverage of
Game five begins tonight at seventiestern four Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Ond Fot A friend of mine's mad at me. He says,
I can't believe your take, and I can't believe I
agree with jamac He said, Colin, how can you let
those Yankee fans off the hook? They could have broken
Molky Betts's wrist to know you didn't. But my takeaway is,
if I get pulled over by a cop and I'm
going fifteen miles an hour over the speed limit, he
(32:07):
can't go. You could have killed somebody. Manslaughter charge. I
didn't just give me a speeding ticket, But you can't
charge people based on what could have happened. What terrible
things could happen in life every fifteen minutes, but they don't.
And so my take on what happened in the outfield
is I could see saying, Okay, you're not coming the
rest of the season. We're not letting you back in
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the stadium. That I could totally get. That's probably what
I would do if I was the Yankees, I'd probably
say like, hey, guys, we love you, but you're not
coming in the stadium tonight. By the way, they could
put on easily, put on mustaches, glasses and get their
way into a stadium. People have done that before. I mean,
Bobby Valentine managed the Mets, and he that it is
(32:48):
a manager, so it happens. But I don't think you
can charge people based on what could have should have happened.
It's just bad judgment. Guys have bad judgment when they're
around other guys. You get them lubricated. You know this
is not ideal. Obviously kick him out for the night.
But yeah, I think I think you toe the line.
When these sports franchises apply people with alcohol, they get
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him closer to athletes. You want to keep leveraging the
most money you can get as an organization, so you
can keep Wan Soto, so you're charging fans more and
more and more. Those guys knew they were going to
get kicked out, but they're prideful. I mean they look
at it. They went to cross the street to a bar.
ESPN interviewed him. I wouldn't have, but ESPN didn't say,
what do you guys think, Hey, we protect that wall
(33:30):
into our wall. That's how guys think, Like that's the
herd mentality. So I but I don't think you can say, well,
it could have broken somebody's wrists. I mean, there are
people on the internet. That's a salt, that's a that's
not even a slippery slope that that that's not a salt.
Mookie Bets said, it happens. I'm over it. Let's move on,
(33:51):
which is my take. Stuff happens, Let's not overreact. Okay.
So I'm reading a story this morning, and twenty twenty
three the draft, we already have two busts. Bryce Young
and Anthony Richardson look like busts. One's too small and
one's a great athlete but can't throw the ball accurately.
So there's a reason this keeps happening, and it feels
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like we're getting some big bus here. Why Number one is,
you can't win in this league without a star quarterback. Increasingly,
the rules help offense and are more quarterback friendly, So
it's more of an offensive league than ever it used
to be. If you came in with a great defense
in a run game, you could get to a conference championship.
You just need more otherwise, you know, Pittsburgh Steelers would
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be the favorite. You got to have a star quarterback
mostly in his prime. Number two is owners now are billionaires,
not one hundred millionaire, so they're more impatient than ever.
Number three is gms and coaches to save their job
and to Playkate saytiate appease. The owner are taking more
risks on guys who have one or two skills but
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haven't really proven they can sit in the pocket, read
a defense, throw darts, and so I mean again this
whole sport. We fall in love with athleticism, and I
like athleticism, but what I really like is sit in
the pocket and be accurate. Let's go to the last eight, nine,
ten drafts. Look who the number one quarterback is at
a last draft. So let's go out of this draft.
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So far, it's Jaden Daniels has been the best quarterback easily.
He's on pace for the highest completion percentage seventy two
percent of any rookie quarterback ever. Yes, he's an athlete.
He's really accurate. Year before CJ. Stroud, What did we notice?
Immediately sits in the pocket and throw darts led the
(35:40):
NFL in touchdown to interception ratio in his rookie season.
Doesn't throw a lot of picks, throws a lot of
touchdowns Number twenty twenty two. Brock Perty, Yes he can
move a little. Highest completion percentage by any quarterback in
league history through thirty starts. Before that, Trevor Lawrence prototypical
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pocket passer. Yes he can move, but even in the dysfunction,
he's completing sixty five and a half percent of his
throws even in their dysfunction. Last three years passer rating
ninety two, completion percentage sixty five, and that's with dysfunction.
The twenty twenty draft. Joe Burrow highest completion percentage in
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NFL history. One of the only guys that can go
toe to toe with Mahomes in big plays on third
and fourth down his specialty. Yes, he can move accuracy
before that Kyler Murray, Well Colin, he moves, yes, but
he also has the seventh highest completion percentage in league history.
I've been on this for years. He throws the prettiest ball.
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He and Jared Goff may through the prettiest ball in
the league. Before that draft, it's Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Well, Lamar,
believe it or not, has a sixty seven percent career
completion percentage. He's always been better in the pocket than
people think. And Josh Allen this year fourteen TD's one pick,
he's cut down. He wasn't very accurate to start, but
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by year three he was more accurate. Patrick Mahomes twenty
seventeen draft highest passer rating in league history from the
park pocket his career high seventy one completion percentage from
the pocket this season, So even though the offense is struggling,
he's having his most accurate year throwing to like a
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second and third tier wide receiver corps. And before that,
Jared Goff this year's most accurate quarterback and with protection,
he's basically Matt Ryan with a better arm, highly efficient.
So you know, we look at all these busts, go
look at the last nine drafts. Now, some of these guys,
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like like Lamar Jackson are hyper athletic. Lamar completes in
his career sixty seven percent of his throws. That's the game.
We fall in love with. Athletic, a building. Yes, Kyler
Murri can run. He throws a beautiful football. You know,
years when Lamar first came in stylistically, I didn't know
if it was gonna work. I looked at it and
I thought, I don't know if it was going to work.
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But he was so athletic that it bought him a
couple of years to get better in the pocket. But
he was always he had a quirky delivery. He was
always pretty accurate. He was accurate to Mark Andrews. And
now they finally got him wide receivers like Zay Flowers,
and now he's really good from the pocket. So you know,
I think you have to have a good quarterback. Owners
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are richer and more impatient, and then coaches in GMS,
feeling that down pressure, that pressure on top of them,
are taking bigger risks on guys who may have one
skill but like Bryce Young he's really small, or Anthony Richardson,
he's really raw and more of an athlete. You got
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to sit in the pocket and throw darts. That's it.
If you can't, you're not gonna win Super Bowls. It'd
be hard to get to a conference championship. Joel Clatt
Next hour, Michael Lervino was fun in the show. He's
going to be stopping by as well. And so j Mac.
We get we have. We've had two or three big
disagreements on the show in the history. Brock Purty, big disagreement.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
What's the disagreement there?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
You think he's Joe Montana. I don't, and I would
say this falls into one of our top five or
six disagreements. You think these guys are bumps, should be
thrown out, Get him out of the stadium. I think, yeah,
don't let him come in tonight. But buy and large.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I mean they can come back next season. I don't
want to see him in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Come on, man, you've gone to games, You've sat next
to guys.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I don't touch players. What I'm no, no, no, no,
grab Mookie Betts. Get the hell out of here.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
Make one.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
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Have you ever wondered what life might be like if you stopped worrying about being wanted, and focused on understanding what you actually want? That was the question Hope Woodard asked herself after a string of situationships inspired her to take a break from sex and dating. She went "boysober," a personal concept that sparked a global movement among women looking to prioritize themselves over men. Now, Hope is looking to expand the ways we explore our relationship to relationships. Taking a bold, unfiltered look into modern love, romance, and self-discovery, Boysober will dive into messy stories about dating, sex, love, friendship, and breaking generational patterns—all with humor, vulnerability, and a fresh perspective.
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