April 15, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin looks at the upcoming NFL draft and explains why there are only 8 teams in his "Circle of Trust" that he expects to make the right decision
After Luka Doncic becomes the first international player to lead the NBA in jersey sales
Colin seems some comparisons when it comes to Jaxson Dart and Zach Wilson
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh here we go a lot to talk about NBA
playing game start tonight in Los Angeles. It's The Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Jordan Schultz
is here. J Mack is going to be joining us
here next week. He's on BAK right now. We love
that form. I just got off BAK so I was
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thinking about this. There's a story that cam Ward is
one of the seventeen players who's going to get invited
to the draft. And Jordan, this is interesting. Every industry
you noticed this, Every industry. It could be real estate,
it could be NFL teams, it doesn't matter. It could
be landscaping. There's like one or two in your hometown.
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You trust right, it's Uber, its Lyft. If a third
company came in, probably wouldn't have the impact. Very few
elite anything. That's why when you watch the draft once
again this year, it's the same teams Cleveland, the Jets,
the Raiders, the Giants, the Panthers, the Browns, the Titans,
the Jaguars. It's always the same teams drafting at the
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top of the draft. In fact, if you look in
my opinion, they're eight teams that I consider sort of
my circle of trust owner GM, coach and quarterback, only
eight in the entire league, a quarter of the NFL. Baltimore,
Kansas City, Green Bay Rams, Philly Niners, Detroit, Buffalo. They're
not perfect. Sometimes they overpay, they miss on draft picks.
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Eventually some have had to fire coaches. But that's my
circle of trust owner, GM, coach, quarterback mostly a's. Then
there's a second group of teams that check a lot
of boxes. But there's something I don't love. Denver, Seahawks, Chargers,
Tampa Vikings, Houston and the Commanders. I think the Commanders
could get to that Tier one by the end of
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next year. But that's fifteen total teams. That is less
than half of the NFL. I've said this multiple times
in the last year. NFL is becoming a little bit
like the NBA. Very few at the top, small middle,
large bottom. And that's because in the NFL, quarterback is
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so essential now that if you don't have one, you're
a half. Not well, what about the Steelers. They've won
three playoff games in thirteen years over backup level quarterbacks,
never an elite quarterback. In thirteen years, they've won a
playoff game, not one against the great quarterback. What about Indy.
I like the GM, I like the coach, quarterback, owner,
you can have them. What about Cincinnati, that's all about
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Joe Burrow. Take him out. Bad franchise. So New England,
let's take a deep breath on Mike Frable. I think
it'll work. But they've been bad for several years. So
when you look at cam Ward, cam Ward is the
one player in the draft that can get Tennessee at
least by the end of this year. Because Will Levis
was so bad, he could get them into the Tier
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two group. He could do what CJ. Stroud did to Houston.
So to me, he's a playmaker. It's a week division.
He's got an offensive coach. I look at cam Ward
as the one guy in this draft of the seventeen invited.
He's the one guy that can change a have not
to a half. Abdull Carter is an excellent player, but
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do we really believe if he went to Cleveland with
their quarterback mess, they're suddenly a Tier one, Tier two team.
Earlier this week or last week on this show from
the Athletic, Dan Brugler talked about it's not about landing Mahomes,
it's just about getting in one of those top couple
of tiers in the league.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
When you're we were talking about quarterbacks in the NFL draft,
it's almost like you're making a bet, right. I mean,
you're making a bet that this guy can be a
top fifteen quarterback in the NFL. And I think for
most teams they see cam Ward as a guy that
can be maybe a top twelve, top fourteen quarterback. That's
what you're looking for. The goal shouldn't be to find
the next Patrick Mahomes. The goal should be, Hey, let's
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find a guy who's going to help us compete and
let it help us get to the playoffs. Because once
you get into the playoffs, anything as possible.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And so as I look at this draft and I
look at this league as a whole. There's only one
way to go from chaos to a top tier group. Quarterback.
Even a coach is limited. It's the quarterback. That's what
Houston did nothing against Demiko Ryans. It's CJ. Stroud. And
to go from Will Levis to cam Ward feels like
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you could make a seven. I mean, look at what
Josh Allen did to Buffalo, what Burrow did the Cincinnati.
So there's only one way to do it. You got
to hit on the quarterback, and I think Tennessee will.
So this has been a topic on another network, on
a very popular show, one of their hosts, Popular Guy, said, hey,
international guy can't be the face of the NBA. And
I thought a lot about that, but this morning it
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really hit me as Luca Dantag, former Maverick from Overseas
now a Laker is the top selling NBA jersey. Stephen
Lebron are right behind him. So I don't buy that
debate because I think borders, at least in sports are
getting erased. Everything is global now and I want you
to think about this show. Hey Otani does not speak English,
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He's a face of baseball. The UFC surged past boxing
and it was never more popular than when Irishman Connor
McGregor was the face of the sport MLS, their most
popular player and their biggest straw. Today MESSI and over
(05:57):
the weekend Northern Ireland's Rory McElroy became the face of golf.
Now you could argue it's Brooks, Koepka, it's Brice and De'shamba,
but other players, including Phil Nicholson, chose to go to
the Live tour. That was polarizing, not to me but
to a lot of people. But Tiger and Rory remained
with the PGA and because of that, and coupled with
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the Masters winning Augusta and he'll be the favorite at
the British Open played in Northern Ireland. I think it's
fair to say that Rory McElroy is the face of golf. Oh,
by the way, Alexander Olvetskin had certainly an argument over
the last twenty years with like a Sydney Crosby. He
was the face of the NHL, certainly recently the most
talked about. So all these sort of arbitrary borders, I
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think it a raced in sports, and I think Luka
Dantac is a very very unique player, one of the
things America really likes more than anything, were the country
of winners. We keep track and Luca with the Lakers
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if Steph and Lebron retire tomorrow. He's a trash talking
international player. Okay, that wasn't what international players used to be.
Luca is much more like US than any international player.
He trash talks fans, he trash talks refs. That's what
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quote our players do. Most international players would come over.
They were very polite, overly loyal, worked hard, much like Wemby,
tried to basically disappear when they weren't at the arena.
But Luca coming to Los Angeles is a bigger star.
He's a trash talker, he's a scoring wizard. The beer
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after the game they pulled out of his hands. He
was part of a controversial trade. Now he's at the
NBA's biggest brand. He's US. He gets along with Lebron,
he gets along with Austin Reeves. He's US. So I
don't buy into this. Rory can't be the face of
golf or Shohey or Messi or Connor McGregor. The bottom
line is America loves winners. That's what we're into. I say,
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Michael Jordan, you think six for six. Lebron's got all
the records, Michael, six for six, Tom Brady all the trophies.
Is Tom the most talented? Can Tom do what Josh Allen, Lamar,
Patrick Mahomes can do? No, Tom's the ultimate winner. And
if Luca, Yes, if the Lakers and I think they
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have to be a favorite or a cold favorite to
get the NBA finals. If they win a championship, Luca
will have played very well. And I think more than
Jason Tatum, who, by the way, this morning I looked
it up. Jason Tatum is the tenth most watched player
on YouTube highlights, tenth with the best team. He didn't
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have the aura, he didn't have the personality. He's not
a trash talker guy over my shoulder right there on
FS one. Luca is so international. Guys have assimilated, they
become more westernized. I said this a couple of years
ago with Giannis, when Yannis said basically, get me a
good player or trade me. That was a very domestic move.
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That's what our stars do, That's what Lebron does, That's
what the Lake Kobe Bryant did. I'm going to Chicago
if you don't get me somebody they got on paalgasol
Giannis is basically get me a better player. I'm adam Milwaukee.
That's not what international players did my entire life watching
this league. That's what they do now now they breight
fans and trash talk refts and are polarizing. Nothing says
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America more than that. All Luca needs is a trophy,
because that's all sho Heyotani needed a trophy to be
the face of baseball. All right, we're a very connected
world in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
That you know.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Listen, our our government may have it out for Canada,
but when Steve Nash was win an MVPs, Steve Nash
was us, nobody really cared. We got a lot of
stuff going on. You know, the Warriors play tonight, and
if the Warriors playing Memphis don't win tonight, Jordan Schultz,
what do we make of them? Because they feel a
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little bit like the old couple at the night club it.
I mean, if you really look at them, Okase is young.
Minnesota can be young.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Cleveland's young in the East, so there's a lot of youth.
I mean, the Celtics are not young. And the Lakers
are not young. But a lot of the West is
these impro like Utah is going to get real good,
real fast. It's a lot of youth. And then there's
the old Warriors where Draymond's their youngest star and I
think he's thirty five. So like, if the Warriors lost tonight,
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and I don't think it's going to happen. They're a
seven and a half point favorite. I think it's going
to be close, but I'll take the Warriors to win.
But if they lost tonight, they're locked into Butler and
Steph and Draymond. Is it like the end well not
getting younger.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
The key point you made yesterday, Colin was that for
all the great players they've drafted, Draymond, Clay, Steph Looney,
a lot of these newer players that have come in,
kuminga Moody, they just haven't fit in.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
So kuminga first.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Half of the season was fantastic, second half of the
season minutes down three point percentage mid twenties, not being
as productive.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Can you trust that guy?
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Can you trust some Moses Moody when it really matters
in the playoffs. We're gonna find out a lot tonight,
even if they win and move on, we will find
out a lot tonight about where Steve Kerr is at
in terms of the younger players on that roster, most
importantly kaminga.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
By the way, an NFL team being very clever pretending
they really like a quarterback, and my take is they
really don't. Plus, I said something yesterday that got people
worked up. I had two former NFL coaches text me
last night to tell me I'm wrong. I'll tell you
what that is coming up next.
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Speaker 1 (12:03):
So listen. Yesterday I touched a nerve because I talked
about the six quarterbacks that I think are going to
be drafted the highest. And you know, I said, Cam
is the best playmaker. Shador needs the right fit, but
I like a lot about him. Kyle McCord at Syracuse,
to me, is probably the sleeper in the entire draft.
But it was interesting because I said Jackson Dark to
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me is Zach Wilson. And Zach Wilson flamed out in
the NFL very quickly in New York. So I got
a lot of pushback from people and said, I'll give
me a break. Okay, there's a lot of re I
did a little bit of homework on this. Both are
six to two, both went to the same powerhouse high
school football program in Utah, so they're both about the
same size. They're both good looking, kind of cocky, very
confident guys who have really good arms. But when they
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played in college elite competition, when the game sped up,
when they faced better coaching, it wasn't good. Zach Wilson
in his career against the Huskies of Washington and the
Utes of Utah was zero and three, three touchdowns, four
pay Jackson Dart against Baman Georgia was one for three,
one in three, excuse me, and his only win he
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completed thirteen percent of his passes and completed well under
sixty percent. And it's even I hear this. I had
two people pushed back to me, Hey, Jackson Dart has
got it, and what does that mean? The two things
be very careful about because it's a weak college quarterback
draft class, so people are going to reach. It's like
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Kenny Pickett that was a terrible quarterback draft class. People
reached on Kenny Pickett. The Steelers reached. He was not
a first round quarterback. I had an NFL general manager
with multiple Super Bowl rings tell me they graded him
as a mid third round pick. Steelers reached. It was
a bad quarterback draft class, probably the worst in the
last decade or more. This is really bad. It's not
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as bad. There is a second round quarterback, Kyle McCord, Syracuse,
who I think could end up being a franchise quarterback
if he gets the right landing star. He's not great
enough or transformational enough to overcome a bad coach or
a bad old line or a bad owner. I think
cam Ward could even Shador Sanders, who could go number
two or three in the draft. I think it's where
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he lands. The coach, the players, the roster of the GM,
the owner. So just be very careful when you hear
two things. Oh, this quarterback's a winner. What does that mean?
Every quarterback Everet Bama, Georgia, Ohio State or winners? That
doesn't mean anything. Will Howard won a bunch of games.
He's not as good as cam Ward. He wasn't as
good when cam Ward was at Washington State. And they
don't win that much. The second thing is, well, he's
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got it. That's what they said about Josh Allen. Josh
Allen six five and a half two fifty five and
jumps over linebackers. That's not it, that's traits. So here's
the other thing, though, if you look in the athletic,
this is the draft profile of the athletic, it says
about Jackson Dart, a three year starter at Old Miss,
he thrived in offensive coordinator Charlie Weiss junior spread RPO
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heavy play action scheme. Here's Zach Wilson in the Athletic
his draft profile. A three year starter at BYU, he
was productive in a former offensive coordinator Jeff Grimes RPO
based heavy play action scheme six' two same high, school
power ass, program surrounded by better players go to. College
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both dominated weaker. Competition when they faced the best college,
teams it dried up, really really. Fast and, Again Dane
brugler on earlier last week and on our show On Jackson,
dart AND i watched them in. COLLEGE i never saw,
him AND i felt this About Zach. WILSON i never
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saw him as a first round.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
QUARTERBACK i came away more impressed With Lean kiffin and
the way he sets up his offense and calls the
plays THAN i did with the. Quarterback and that's not
really a knock On Jackson. Dart it's just it's such
a scheme or quarterback friendly, scheme that it really makes
things easy for. Him fifty three percent of his snaps
or play, action a lot of, screens a lot of one. Read,
okay it's not, There. Boom i'm gonna take off and
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use my legs and get six. Yards and you know.
What that works at the college.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Level it does not work in THE nfl level unless
You're Lamar. Jackson so it's it's. Listen in good quarterback draft,
classes the first five quarterbacks. Taken one's a, star two,
work and three. Bust so this is a week class
where you may have one guy who starts and a
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lot of. Misses and that's kind of my. Guest jalen
millrolls too. Mechanical Jackson dart to me Is Zach Wilson
Shador sanders absolutely needs the right landing. SPOT i don't
buy the kid From, louisville WHO i swear is forty
four years. OLD i don't buy. It SO i think
we're gonna get a lot of. REACHES i Think Jackson
dart's going to be a reach for Like pittsburgh at twenty.
One and my, Take i'm gonna put it out. THERE
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i don't think it's gonna work at a high. Level
jordan with a news.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Turn on the, news this is the herd line new all, Right.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Colin Aaron rodgers has still yet to sign with The,
steelers or any other team for that. Matter throughout the,
Offseason rogers has been linked to The, vikings With minnesota having.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
No more than luke warm.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Interest Scording Albert, Breer rogers pitched The vikings on a
one year run at A, lombardi assuring the team he'd
be willing to play the role of mentor TO jj
McCarthy during that. Time now that's important Because rogers has never.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Really wanted to be a. Mentor we know.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
That we also know That MINNESOTA i can tell you
really wanted to Keep Daniel jones ends up going To.
Indianapolis in your, Opinion, colin what do you make Of
rogers's pitch to The.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
VIKINGS i think it's the smart. PLAY i, honestly do you,
Know i've said this for years and years in my.
Business Don't chase, money chase. Management there's a sea of,
money there's not a sea of good. Management AND i
think he Knows. Minnesota, yeah great, owner no, chaos excellent,
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coach great. Players aaron now is thinking about. Legacy it
would be a great place to. Go he plays for a.
Year he was very good With Jordan. Love he Wasn't Brett.
Fahr Brett farr did not Treat Aaron rodgers. Well aaron
always was more respectful Of Jordan. Love got to Give
aaron credit for. That AND i Think aaron does, care you.
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KNOW i do Think aaron has fewer Than, brady but
very strong relationships to the people he considers allies who
really are loyal to. Him Russell wilson has very few
over the course of his. Career aaron's got. Guys SO
i Think aaron going there for a, year mentoring and
probably playing a lot is a GREAT i, mean it's
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so funny That farv went to The, jets then The.
VIKINGS i think it's the. PLAY i really do on
That aaron doesn't have four years. Left aaron doesn't have
to me three years. Left aaron's got a couple of years.
Left and if you told me two In pittsburgh or
one In. MINNESOTA i would take the one with The.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Vikings my issue with The vikings is that they've already
put so much INTO jj. McCarthy that's my problem with The.
Vikings they traded up to get. Him he has two knee.
Surgeries they probably didn't Think Sam darnold will play at
AN mvp caliber, level certainly not what he gave them last.
Year so when you have that much invested INTO jj
McCarthy now he's going into year, two to have him
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sit a second year and to bring In Aaron rodgers
is a pretty tall. Order AND i think if You're kevin,
O'Connell you're looking at the future and you're seeing it
IN jj. McCarthy that's Why i've never really bought into
all The Aaron.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Rodgers why why does the future have to start?
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Now because the roster is built to win, now WHICH
i guess probably makes you, think, well maybe It's, Aaron
maybe it should Be.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
AARON i should say.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
YEAH i, Mean i'm, listen according to the, Story aaron
pitched one. Year But i'm proposing, right which is, listen
this is the best. ROSTER i Think pittsburgh's fools goal
everybody tells. Me everybody told me he's going to. Go
he's gonna go To. Pittsburgh he's gonna come out, there
having a big event In. Pittsburgh and it's like when
he didn't show up with that big event AND i
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thought there was a chance of. It aaron doesn't want
to go To. Pittsburgh he's not A pittsburgh. Guy two needy,
receivers defensive, culture battle, line lost age. Hairs that's not
Who aaron. Is aaron's too smart to make a dumb.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Decision minnesota also has The, dome which is.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Nice he knows your vision. DIVISION i Think minnesota for
a year works all.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Right calling The cowboys moved on From mike McCarthy this offseason.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
And famer the favor of former O C Brian.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Schottenheimer Dak prescott is continuing to work his way back
from a hamstring, injury but he's shown a lot of
optimism for what his new head coach can bring To.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Dallas just, Excitement, yeah just.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Excitement as as you, SAID i, Mean i'm knowing. Shoddy,
uh he's been.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
There he's been the last couple of years and really three, years,
right the first year of being a consultant that it's
not any monumental conversation that it needed to, happen but
definitely his direction and the way that he sees this offense,
going the way that he sees this team. Going AND
i think it's clear throughout the team with the guys
and the men that he's hired as the, coaches and
the way that he's got the whole building on the same.
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Page so just excited for this chapter under.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Him, YEAH i don't buy.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It, yeah five win team take the. UNDER i?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Agree, yeah maybe Four, yeah maybe a four win.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Team we know coaching. Matters goal to go At Sean
payton In denver what he did Replacing. Hackett we know
coaching is second to quarterback. Play in this, lead there's
two things that win. IMMEDIATELY a great quarterback if he's
coupled with a very good Coach.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Suver that's they hit both last. Year, Yeah chargers both last.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Year, yeah it's it's Not chargers went From remember this same.
Personnel chargers had the thirty second ranked. Defense. Ye Jesse
minter And harbaugh come, in they RANK i think number
one or, two number, one and their draft picks were
overwhelmingly on the offensive. Side, yeah so it was the
same personnel thirty second to first that The chargers with
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the greatest shining example of what coaching means in this.
League And Brian schottenneimer is more of a position, COACH
i would, argue than a.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
COORDINATE i, exactly he's not even to me a, coordinator
let alone a head. Coach so if you think About
Jason garrett his first year With dallas wins eight, Games
mike McCarthy wins. Six we think they win four or.
Five The, cowboys by the, way haven't even been to
THE Nfc championship since nineteen ninety. Six this roster needed
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a great innovative. Coach this roster Needed Ben, johnson maybe
even In Aaron. Glenn instead they settle On Brian, schottenneimer
Who jerry introduces as this is the biggest RISK i
can take everything we talked about yesterday in terms Of
dallas operating archaically at a glacial, pace this highre said
that it doesn't make any. Sense and in That division
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Two Washington, philly The giants probably be a little. Better
not that easy in THE, Nfc.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So Dallas cowboys will be in the Arch manning. Sweepstakes
there is no.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Question maybe it's a blessing in disguise then, yeah Uh
okay to THE, nba where The lakers will face The
Tea wolves in the first round of the playoffs On.
Saturday luca has fared well Against minnesota in his, career
most recently taken him down in last Year's Western Conference
finals when he was with The. MAVs now Jj reddick
plans to lean on his start in preparation For game
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One mike playing.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Career that happened a. Lot you, know there's regular season
and there's, playoffs and oftentimes it's not completely different, things
but there are nuances to what teams are trying to
do against certain. Opponents greg was On phoenix last year
and got swept By. Minnesota, Sorry, greg just stating in,
fact so he's, got you, know a, good good level
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of experience as. Well it was literally the thing he
said to me as soon as the game was. Over,
so you, know we have a lot.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Of work to.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Do and they're they're a really good basketball.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Team they're a very different basketball team than The, lakers
where they're kind of old at the point With Mike,
conley they're very young and. Youthful with Aunt jen There's Julius,
randall who doesn't have a history of succeeding the, Postseason
Rudy gobert's defense over. Offense The lakers are offensive. TEAM
i mean that's what they. Are they've got play, initiators playmakers.
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Everywhere these are two contrasting. STYLES i think The lakers
win in. FIVE i think they'll JUST i just think
it'll come down to make it. BAD i think the
games are competitive and. Close love the coaching staff with
the T. WOLVES i THINK Jj reddick could be coach
of The year, material AND i think the games will be.
Close these games are all going to be one oh,
four one oh four to me with four and a
half minutes. Left who's got the shot makers? Late it's
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Not Julius. Randall It's edwards. Though, no, well, AGAIN i
don't think he's quite. Ready he's Not lebron to me
Or luca in the clutch in a big spot yet
as a. Player So i'm going to Take Reeves Luca
lebron one oh four to one oh, four three point fifty.
Left who makes the big shots down the? Stretch trust
The lakers playmakers and shot.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Makers, yeah the thing Is edwards believes in his head
that he's already the best player in the, league and
sometimes that that falls bravado because he's a great. Player
but at twenty three years, old sometimes that can go
one of two. Ways AND i wonder in this series
it maybe if it goes a positive, WAY i would push,
back call in and, Say minnesota Has Rudy, gobert they
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have the big The lakers stot they Had Mark williams
obviously doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Out does that impact this? Series does that?
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Size, Okay so you don't Think minnesota can just Impose
gobert in this?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Series?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Now Rudy gobert is not changing outcomes in? Series, YEAH i.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Mean, luca just for, context last year in The Western
Conference finals thirty two to nine to eight shoots forty
four percent from three against this. Team and then one more,
Note i'll give you A collen three of the highest
scores AN nba playoff history in this, Series.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Luca lebron And. Edwards so if you're actually here's the
question to.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
You if you're The lakers and it's a one possession game,
late who does take the?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Shot the final shot in a.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Playoffs, OH i THINK i think it's a hot. Hand Probably.
Luca But i'll tell you this is that If i'm The,
Lakers i'm not as good defensively As. Minnesota BUT i
know WHO i have to defend.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Late.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Aunt who do you guard with The Lakers, Lebron, Austin
luca or is It ruey in the? CORNER jj Jj
reddick's got multiple. Cards he can deal, here late, possessions late,
half late. Games aunt's got to be the. Closer Julius
randalls never been a good playoff, guy Go. Bears mostly
a defensive. Dude Mike conley love. Him always have great,
(26:40):
leader not a shot. Maker late in the playoff, SERIES
i Think minnesota is just gonna run out Of.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Ammo you Got, minnesota you Got lakers in. Five i'll
Go lakers in.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Seven all, Right jordan with a.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
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Speaker 1 (26:54):
By, right stops by top of next. Hour Joel klatt
stops by his. Well so there's not a lot about
The New York giants THAT i have liked over the
last eight. Years BUT i want you to think about this.
Story So Adam schefter reports That Shador sanders is going
to hold one last private Workout thursday And Boulder colorado
(27:17):
for The New York. Giants now FORMER Nflgm Mike tannenbaum
quote tweeted it and, said this is what happens late
in the process when there's a big disagreement in the
building or they've got new. INFORMATION i don't think it's.
Either so let's just say this. First why would you
do a private. Workout this is not a hung jury
(27:39):
where you need more. Evidence you have fifty games in
college on. Tape he's already had a pro. Day the
only thing scouts aren't quite sure. About the mystery with
him isn't armor. Mobility he's averaged. There it's does he
hold the ball too? Long, yes but you're not going
to decipher, that encode that at a personal. WORKOUT i
think The New York giants are doing this because they're
(28:02):
not drafting him because The saints with The Derek carr
News Derek carr news that he may miss the, season
The saints are going to draft him at the number nine.
Spot but by The giants going To Boulder, colorado clever. Move,
oh we are very. Interested, no they want to move
(28:23):
down and accumulate more draft. Picks SO i believe The
giants do not Want Shador. Sanders they've got fifty college
games on, tape they've been to his pro, day they've
interviewed him. Again think about his. Traits Arm, okay, Mobility,
okay everybody in the room knows. That the only mystery
With Shador sanders as he holds the ball too. Long
(28:45):
you're not going to be able to figure out if
he gets rid of the ball quicker at a private. Workout,
okay they're just they're in my, opinion this Is Mike
tannenbaum's off, here like, him know. HIM i think he's.
OFF i think they're doing that to send a signal
to the teams drafting below. Them you know what we're
(29:06):
we're having second thoughts On Shadour. Sanders this is not
A Josh allen situation Where josh literally struggled with. Completions
though he was six, five two fifty a huge, athlete
but he was a small town. Guy he played in
a small. Conference people had a lot he had a
real bad tweet when he was like. Seventeen people had
(29:27):
a lot of questions About Josh, allen though everybody knew
he was. Great we know What shadour, is no big,
arm no great, athlete super, accurate very. Composed we even
know his personality because of YouTube and. TikTok we know
all these guys'. Personalities we know his dad's. Personality there's
nothing to unveil here or decode. HERE i believe this
(29:49):
is The giants sending a, signal you, know we may
you may want to move up and give us your
second round pick because we're having second thoughts On. SHUDEUR
i Believe i'll throw it out. There The giants Have Russell,
wilson The giants Have Jamis, winston and The giants believe
(30:10):
with their draft position they can go Get kyle McCord
in the second, round by the, way who played At,
syracuse so they've seen plenty of, them plenty Of kyle.
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the college Basketball March madness was, Amazing augusta was absolutely.
Amazing you know it's FUNNY i go in and out
on golf. There golf is one of those sports THAT
i like. IT i MEAN i. GOLF i like the.
GOLF i do more of it in the. SUMMER i
(31:59):
don't do a ton of it the, winner even THOUGH
i live In Los angeles for the time. Being BUT
i would say golf when there's a transcendent golfer Like
Tiger woods and he's got a rival Like Phil, Mickelson
i'm In, Brooks, koepka Deshambau roy. McElroy i found myself
yesterday watching some clips Of augusta and The, masters AND i,
(32:21):
THOUGHT i cannot wait for The British. Open and it's
so fascinating because you know that a lot of, sports
like the end we were talking about this this, morning
is a. Staff THE nba is like international. Soccer it's
driven by, personalities iconic moments and superscar, branding right Like,
Messi Rinaldo Lebron steph AND i was thinking about. This
(32:45):
Steph curry's always been undervalued because he's not a physical,
specimen and he introduced the three point, shot which a
lot of people don't love as much as the dunk
orse the you, KNOW i, mean he's not a physically imposing.
Player he's just the great greatest shooter of all. Time
but they played tonight in the playing. Game and if they,
lose AND i don't think The warriors, will AND i
think this is the perfect team for them to Play.
Memphis what do we make of The? WARRIORS i said this.
(33:07):
Earlier they feel like the adult at the night club
with all these young. Kids it's, like who's wearing old?
Spice these guys are. Old And Draymond green, says slow,
down slow, Down we're not that. Old we'll be. Fine.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
Playoffs are you playing to go back to backs or
anything like? That so just gotta get. There we'll be all.
Right we're not senior. Citizens we're high level basketball. Players you,
know we had to play. Tomorrow we'll be all.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Right you, know you train all year for.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
This so, yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
It's no disrespect to the senior.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Citizens by the, way we love our senior. Citizens just
throw out out. There, so BUT nba dynasties they end.
Differently so if you remember The Chicago. Bulls Jerry krause is, like,
guys this is the last. Year that's why the documentary was,
called you, know The Last. Damps so the front office
(34:05):
blew up. There they could have extended it, right they
came back and. Won you should give them another. Year
they wouldn't do. It The heatles broke up because a
free Agency lebron left The. Cleveland The, Lakers shaq And
kobe blew up because of. Ego what you have more
of in THE nba is The sonics or The, blazers
or The Dallas mavericks or you, know The Denver. Nuggets
(34:26):
will you come in The Milwaukee bucks and you win,
once you may go to the finals again and then it's.
Over you don't have that many dynasties now in THE.
Nfl dynasties are all started because of two. Things a
great quarterback and a great. Coach you can go back To,
Bradshaw Chuck, Noll Montana, Walsh, Akman Jimmy, Johnson Brady, Belichick, Mahomes.
(34:48):
Reid it's only one way to have a dynasty in THE.
Nfl you gotta have an a coach and a star.
Quarterback that's. It, otherwise now you can win a one.
Off Nick foles can, Win Brad, Johnson Trent, dilford you
can do, that but a, dynasty that's the only. WAY nba,
dynasties like international soccer, dynasties usually you have a transformational
player and then it's either roster construction denver where you
(35:11):
don't have Another All star right, now Like boston's got
TWO a, players but they share in. It they don't
have a transformational. Player BUT i think what happens with The,
warriors they're doing it the way The spurs did. It
so The spurs had a dynasty with a beloved, Player Tim,
duncan and surrounded it with other very good. Players they're
going to make The hall Of fame RIGHT a man
(35:32):
who Janotb, blee A Tony parker level, Player draymon And
clay kd around. Staff but they didn't blow it up
with the ego Because steph doesn't already have. One they
didn't blow it up with free agency Because steph's not going.
Anywhere they didn't blow it up in the front. Office in,
Fact Bob, myers WHO i saw this past week on,
Vacation Bob myers did not want to Move Klay. Thompson
so he, Said i'll go into. TELEVISION i. CAN'T i
(35:52):
don't want to deal with this. Stuff so they're doing
what San antonio, did which is slowly trying to extend the.
Dynasty remember they Got duncan's getting. Older, oh we Got.
Kawhi let's bring In LaMarcus ulrich From. Portland and that's
what they've tried to.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Do.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Here they bring In Andrew. Wiggins they get one. More
but you look at him right. Now steph's post thirty,
Five butler's. Old DRAYMOND i, think is the youngest of
the three at thirty. Five pods is not a. Star
he's more Like Austin. Reeves he'll be your number three
or your number. Four so if they lose tonight and
they're locked into these contracts With draymond And butler And,
(36:28):
STEPH i don't know where they. Go they do feel
like they were hoping That James wiseman would eventually extend.
It it didn't. Work they were Hoping Jordan poole could
extend it. Immature they are Hoping Jonathan kaminga could extend.
It they were looking for a two For. Steph wiseman
(36:48):
couldn't do. It pool was too immature And kaminga can't do.
It and how DO i Know kaminga can't do it
because it WAS dnp in the biggest game of the
year against The. Clippers coach's. Decision that's not going to.
Work SO i. THINK i think what they're trying to
do is What San antonio. Did we're gonna pull it
out as long as we. Can they got another. One
kawhi got that one against The, heatles, right And wiggins
(37:10):
got that one against The, celtics but very quickly after
that they moved Off kawhi AND i looked it up
this this, morning so it ends very. Quickly The bulls
post mj six years no, playoffs The lakers end Of
kobe and Partly kobe six years no, playoffs and The
spurs today today six years no. Playoffs so it can
(37:33):
fall off a cliff If kaminga would have. Worked and
The warriors have been. Trying they've been trying to find
As clay aged And draymon, eights they're trying to find
the next dominant. PLAYER i think they thought for a
couple of Years kaminga could be, it but when you
watch him And steph And draymon And butler on the.
Floor cominga doesn't fit now, now is somebody else gonna
(37:54):
pay him a boatload of? MONEY I i, mean he
can give you twenty twenty one a, Game he's, long he's.
Athletic somebody may. Bite BUT i think The warriors are
Doing you, know In San antonio they Extended, popovich they
extended the. Dynasty warriors Extended, kerr they extend the. Dynasty
but these things usually end. Abruptly San antonio And Golden
(38:16):
state are squeezing about as much out of it as you.
Can but what if they lose? Tonight what if they
don't what if they don't win a, Series it'll end.
Fast you'll have to consider making big. Move they're never
gonna Move. Steph but if they don't win tonight or
they don't win a playoff, Series draymond's getting, Older butler's getting,
older And stepf's going, nowhere And pods is more of
(38:38):
a three or, four that's what he, Is SO i
think it'll be an ACTIVE i thought differently a month
ago When kaminga wasn't. PLAYING i thought he would come
back and sort of elevate them to the next. Level
but When, Sunday Steve kerse, said we're not playing. Him
it's like it's not gonna. Work that is a big
that's a red. Flag it's not gonna. Work i've Thought
(39:00):
kurt talked about that in a post game. Recently good
to have You nick right top of the. Hour joel
clad as. Well you know one of the THINGS i
was talking about earlier about fifteen minutes. Ago you're seeing
a lot of gamesmanship before THE Nfl, draft which starts Next,
thursday which THE nfl it, IS i, mean it's almost
(39:21):
it gets huge numbers and Should this is not a
sexy draft, generally if you have three or four high
profile quarterbacks The Sam darnold To Baker, Mayfield Joe burrow,
to you're gonna get good. Ratings this will do. OKAY
i don't think it'll set all time, numbers but it's
interesting now you're seeing some game. PLAYING i think The
New York giants smartly are going to See Shadeur Sanders
(39:47):
thursday In, Bowler, colorado AND i believe this is only
to move down in the. Draft they're trying to get
somebody to. Bite So Ian rappaport reports That giants have
a very, busy so they are set to work Out
jalen Mill row. Privately they're not Drafting, jayalen SO i
(40:07):
think what they're doing with that is The giants are
going To. Boulder so according To Ian, rappaport they're going
to work Out Jalen milroll. Privately why he's not going
number two or? Three, right he's not going? Three what
The giants are? Doing in, FACT i wouldn't have let
This millroll thing out because NOW i think it's very.
Transparent what The giants are doing is going To colorado
(40:31):
trying to get somebody to bite on their, pick and
then they move down to maybe fourteenth or, fifteenth and
that's where you could Draft Jalen. MILROLL i wouldn't have
let The millroll stuff. Out you can work him. OUT
i wouldn't want it out. THERE i THINK i think
The giants want to move, back not not Secure Shador.
SANDERS i think it's game playing at its, best AND
(40:54):
i don't like much of what The giants do
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Jordan Schultz
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here next week. He's on BAK right now. We love
that form. I just got off BAK so I was
(00:47):
thinking about this. There's a story that cam Ward is
one of the seventeen players who's going to get invited
to the draft. And Jordan, this is interesting. Every industry
you noticed this, Every industry. It could be real estate,
it could be NFL teams, it doesn't matter. It could
be landscaping. There's like one or two in your hometown.
(01:08):
You trust right, it's Uber, its Lyft. If a third
company came in, probably wouldn't have the impact. Very few
elite anything. That's why when you watch the draft once
again this year, it's the same teams Cleveland, the Jets,
the Raiders, the Giants, the Panthers, the Browns, the Titans,
the Jaguars. It's always the same teams drafting at the
(01:30):
top of the draft. In fact, if you look in
my opinion, they're eight teams that I consider sort of
my circle of trust owner GM, coach and quarterback, only
eight in the entire league, a quarter of the NFL. Baltimore,
Kansas City, Green Bay Rams, Philly Niners, Detroit, Buffalo. They're
not perfect. Sometimes they overpay, they miss on draft picks.
(01:54):
Eventually some have had to fire coaches. But that's my
circle of trust owner, GM, coach, quarterback mostly a's. Then
there's a second group of teams that check a lot
of boxes. But there's something I don't love. Denver, Seahawks, Chargers,
Tampa Vikings, Houston and the Commanders. I think the Commanders
could get to that Tier one by the end of
(02:16):
next year. But that's fifteen total teams. That is less
than half of the NFL. I've said this multiple times
in the last year. NFL is becoming a little bit
like the NBA. Very few at the top, small middle,
large bottom. And that's because in the NFL, quarterback is
(02:38):
so essential now that if you don't have one, you're
a half. Not well, what about the Steelers. They've won
three playoff games in thirteen years over backup level quarterbacks,
never an elite quarterback. In thirteen years, they've won a
playoff game, not one against the great quarterback. What about Indy.
I like the GM, I like the coach, quarterback, owner,
you can have them. What about Cincinnati, that's all about
(03:00):
Joe Burrow. Take him out. Bad franchise. So New England,
let's take a deep breath on Mike Frable. I think
it'll work. But they've been bad for several years. So
when you look at cam Ward, cam Ward is the
one player in the draft that can get Tennessee at
least by the end of this year. Because Will Levis
was so bad, he could get them into the Tier
(03:22):
two group. He could do what CJ. Stroud did to Houston.
So to me, he's a playmaker. It's a week division.
He's got an offensive coach. I look at cam Ward
as the one guy in this draft of the seventeen invited.
He's the one guy that can change a have not
to a half. Abdull Carter is an excellent player, but
(03:45):
do we really believe if he went to Cleveland with
their quarterback mess, they're suddenly a Tier one, Tier two team.
Earlier this week or last week on this show from
the Athletic, Dan Brugler talked about it's not about landing Mahomes,
it's just about getting in one of those top couple
of tiers in the league.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
When you're we were talking about quarterbacks in the NFL draft,
it's almost like you're making a bet, right. I mean,
you're making a bet that this guy can be a
top fifteen quarterback in the NFL. And I think for
most teams they see cam Ward as a guy that
can be maybe a top twelve, top fourteen quarterback. That's
what you're looking for. The goal shouldn't be to find
the next Patrick Mahomes. The goal should be, Hey, let's
(04:24):
find a guy who's going to help us compete and
let it help us get to the playoffs. Because once
you get into the playoffs, anything as possible.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And so as I look at this draft and I
look at this league as a whole. There's only one
way to go from chaos to a top tier group. Quarterback.
Even a coach is limited. It's the quarterback. That's what
Houston did nothing against Demiko Ryans. It's CJ. Stroud. And
to go from Will Levis to cam Ward feels like
(04:53):
you could make a seven. I mean, look at what
Josh Allen did to Buffalo, what Burrow did the Cincinnati.
So there's only one way to do it. You got
to hit on the quarterback, and I think Tennessee will.
So this has been a topic on another network, on
a very popular show, one of their hosts, Popular Guy, said, hey,
international guy can't be the face of the NBA. And
I thought a lot about that, but this morning it
(05:14):
really hit me as Luca Dantag, former Maverick from Overseas
now a Laker is the top selling NBA jersey. Stephen
Lebron are right behind him. So I don't buy that
debate because I think borders, at least in sports are
getting erased. Everything is global now and I want you
to think about this show. Hey Otani does not speak English,
(05:36):
He's a face of baseball. The UFC surged past boxing
and it was never more popular than when Irishman Connor
McGregor was the face of the sport MLS, their most
popular player and their biggest straw. Today MESSI and over
(05:57):
the weekend Northern Ireland's Rory McElroy became the face of golf.
Now you could argue it's Brooks, Koepka, it's Brice and De'shamba,
but other players, including Phil Nicholson, chose to go to
the Live tour. That was polarizing, not to me but
to a lot of people. But Tiger and Rory remained
with the PGA and because of that, and coupled with
(06:19):
the Masters winning Augusta and he'll be the favorite at
the British Open played in Northern Ireland. I think it's
fair to say that Rory McElroy is the face of golf. Oh,
by the way, Alexander Olvetskin had certainly an argument over
the last twenty years with like a Sydney Crosby. He
was the face of the NHL, certainly recently the most
talked about. So all these sort of arbitrary borders, I
(06:43):
think it a raced in sports, and I think Luka
Dantac is a very very unique player, one of the
things America really likes more than anything, were the country
of winners. We keep track and Luca with the Lakers
(07:03):
if Steph and Lebron retire tomorrow. He's a trash talking
international player. Okay, that wasn't what international players used to be.
Luca is much more like US than any international player.
He trash talks fans, he trash talks refs. That's what
(07:24):
quote our players do. Most international players would come over.
They were very polite, overly loyal, worked hard, much like Wemby,
tried to basically disappear when they weren't at the arena.
But Luca coming to Los Angeles is a bigger star.
He's a trash talker, he's a scoring wizard. The beer
(07:46):
after the game they pulled out of his hands. He
was part of a controversial trade. Now he's at the
NBA's biggest brand. He's US. He gets along with Lebron,
he gets along with Austin Reeves. He's US. So I
don't buy into this. Rory can't be the face of
golf or Shohey or Messi or Connor McGregor. The bottom
line is America loves winners. That's what we're into. I say,
(08:11):
Michael Jordan, you think six for six. Lebron's got all
the records, Michael, six for six, Tom Brady all the trophies.
Is Tom the most talented? Can Tom do what Josh Allen, Lamar,
Patrick Mahomes can do? No, Tom's the ultimate winner. And
if Luca, Yes, if the Lakers and I think they
(08:34):
have to be a favorite or a cold favorite to
get the NBA finals. If they win a championship, Luca
will have played very well. And I think more than
Jason Tatum, who, by the way, this morning I looked
it up. Jason Tatum is the tenth most watched player
on YouTube highlights, tenth with the best team. He didn't
(08:55):
have the aura, he didn't have the personality. He's not
a trash talker guy over my shoulder right there on
FS one. Luca is so international. Guys have assimilated, they
become more westernized. I said this a couple of years
ago with Giannis, when Yannis said basically, get me a
good player or trade me. That was a very domestic move.
(09:16):
That's what our stars do, That's what Lebron does, That's
what the Lake Kobe Bryant did. I'm going to Chicago
if you don't get me somebody they got on paalgasol
Giannis is basically get me a better player. I'm adam Milwaukee.
That's not what international players did my entire life watching
this league. That's what they do now now they breight
fans and trash talk refts and are polarizing. Nothing says
(09:36):
America more than that. All Luca needs is a trophy,
because that's all sho Heyotani needed a trophy to be
the face of baseball. All right, we're a very connected
world in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
That you know.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Listen, our our government may have it out for Canada,
but when Steve Nash was win an MVPs, Steve Nash
was us, nobody really cared. We got a lot of
stuff going on. You know, the Warriors play tonight, and
if the Warriors playing Memphis don't win tonight, Jordan Schultz,
what do we make of them? Because they feel a
(10:11):
little bit like the old couple at the night club it.
I mean, if you really look at them, Okase is young.
Minnesota can be young.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Cleveland's young in the East, so there's a lot of youth.
I mean, the Celtics are not young. And the Lakers
are not young. But a lot of the West is
these impro like Utah is going to get real good,
real fast. It's a lot of youth. And then there's
the old Warriors where Draymond's their youngest star and I
think he's thirty five. So like, if the Warriors lost tonight,
(10:44):
and I don't think it's going to happen. They're a
seven and a half point favorite. I think it's going
to be close, but I'll take the Warriors to win.
But if they lost tonight, they're locked into Butler and
Steph and Draymond. Is it like the end well not
getting younger.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
The key point you made yesterday, Colin was that for
all the great players they've drafted, Draymond, Clay, Steph Looney,
a lot of these newer players that have come in,
kuminga Moody, they just haven't fit in.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
So kuminga first.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Half of the season was fantastic, second half of the
season minutes down three point percentage mid twenties, not being
as productive.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Can you trust that guy?
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Can you trust some Moses Moody when it really matters
in the playoffs. We're gonna find out a lot tonight,
even if they win and move on, we will find
out a lot tonight about where Steve Kerr is at
in terms of the younger players on that roster, most
importantly kaminga.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
By the way, an NFL team being very clever pretending
they really like a quarterback, and my take is they
really don't. Plus, I said something yesterday that got people
worked up. I had two former NFL coaches text me
last night to tell me I'm wrong. I'll tell you
what that is coming up next.
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So listen. Yesterday I touched a nerve because I talked
about the six quarterbacks that I think are going to
be drafted the highest. And you know, I said, Cam
is the best playmaker. Shador needs the right fit, but
I like a lot about him. Kyle McCord at Syracuse,
to me, is probably the sleeper in the entire draft.
But it was interesting because I said Jackson Dark to
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me is Zach Wilson. And Zach Wilson flamed out in
the NFL very quickly in New York. So I got
a lot of pushback from people and said, I'll give
me a break. Okay, there's a lot of re I
did a little bit of homework on this. Both are
six to two, both went to the same powerhouse high
school football program in Utah, so they're both about the
same size. They're both good looking, kind of cocky, very
confident guys who have really good arms. But when they
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played in college elite competition, when the game sped up,
when they faced better coaching, it wasn't good. Zach Wilson
in his career against the Huskies of Washington and the
Utes of Utah was zero and three, three touchdowns, four
pay Jackson Dart against Baman Georgia was one for three,
one in three, excuse me, and his only win he
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completed thirteen percent of his passes and completed well under
sixty percent. And it's even I hear this. I had
two people pushed back to me, Hey, Jackson Dart has
got it, and what does that mean? The two things
be very careful about because it's a weak college quarterback
draft class, so people are going to reach. It's like
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Kenny Pickett that was a terrible quarterback draft class. People
reached on Kenny Pickett. The Steelers reached. He was not
a first round quarterback. I had an NFL general manager
with multiple Super Bowl rings tell me they graded him
as a mid third round pick. Steelers reached. It was
a bad quarterback draft class, probably the worst in the
last decade or more. This is really bad. It's not
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as bad. There is a second round quarterback, Kyle McCord, Syracuse,
who I think could end up being a franchise quarterback
if he gets the right landing star. He's not great
enough or transformational enough to overcome a bad coach or
a bad old line or a bad owner. I think
cam Ward could even Shador Sanders, who could go number
two or three in the draft. I think it's where
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he lands. The coach, the players, the roster of the GM,
the owner. So just be very careful when you hear
two things. Oh, this quarterback's a winner. What does that mean?
Every quarterback Everet Bama, Georgia, Ohio State or winners? That
doesn't mean anything. Will Howard won a bunch of games.
He's not as good as cam Ward. He wasn't as
good when cam Ward was at Washington State. And they
don't win that much. The second thing is, well, he's
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got it. That's what they said about Josh Allen. Josh
Allen six five and a half two fifty five and
jumps over linebackers. That's not it, that's traits. So here's
the other thing, though, if you look in the athletic,
this is the draft profile of the athletic, it says
about Jackson Dart, a three year starter at Old Miss,
he thrived in offensive coordinator Charlie Weiss junior spread RPO
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heavy play action scheme. Here's Zach Wilson in the Athletic
his draft profile. A three year starter at BYU, he
was productive in a former offensive coordinator Jeff Grimes RPO
based heavy play action scheme six' two same high, school
power ass, program surrounded by better players go to. College
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both dominated weaker. Competition when they faced the best college,
teams it dried up, really really. Fast and, Again Dane
brugler on earlier last week and on our show On Jackson,
dart AND i watched them in. COLLEGE i never saw,
him AND i felt this About Zach. WILSON i never
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saw him as a first round.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
QUARTERBACK i came away more impressed With Lean kiffin and
the way he sets up his offense and calls the
plays THAN i did with the. Quarterback and that's not
really a knock On Jackson. Dart it's just it's such
a scheme or quarterback friendly, scheme that it really makes
things easy for. Him fifty three percent of his snaps
or play, action a lot of, screens a lot of one. Read,
okay it's not, There. Boom i'm gonna take off and
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use my legs and get six. Yards and you know.
What that works at the college.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Level it does not work in THE nfl level unless
You're Lamar. Jackson so it's it's. Listen in good quarterback draft,
classes the first five quarterbacks. Taken one's a, star two,
work and three. Bust so this is a week class
where you may have one guy who starts and a
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lot of. Misses and that's kind of my. Guest jalen
millrolls too. Mechanical Jackson dart to me Is Zach Wilson
Shador sanders absolutely needs the right landing. SPOT i don't
buy the kid From, louisville WHO i swear is forty
four years. OLD i don't buy. It SO i think
we're gonna get a lot of. REACHES i Think Jackson
dart's going to be a reach for Like pittsburgh at twenty.
One and my, Take i'm gonna put it out. THERE
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i don't think it's gonna work at a high. Level
jordan with a news.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Turn on the, news this is the herd line new all, Right.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Colin Aaron rodgers has still yet to sign with The,
steelers or any other team for that. Matter throughout the,
Offseason rogers has been linked to The, vikings With minnesota having.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
No more than luke warm.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Interest Scording Albert, Breer rogers pitched The vikings on a
one year run at A, lombardi assuring the team he'd
be willing to play the role of mentor TO jj
McCarthy during that. Time now that's important Because rogers has never.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Really wanted to be a. Mentor we know.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
That we also know That MINNESOTA i can tell you
really wanted to Keep Daniel jones ends up going To.
Indianapolis in your, Opinion, colin what do you make Of
rogers's pitch to The.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
VIKINGS i think it's the smart. PLAY i, honestly do you,
Know i've said this for years and years in my.
Business Don't chase, money chase. Management there's a sea of,
money there's not a sea of good. Management AND i
think he Knows. Minnesota, yeah great, owner no, chaos excellent,
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coach great. Players aaron now is thinking about. Legacy it
would be a great place to. Go he plays for a.
Year he was very good With Jordan. Love he Wasn't Brett.
Fahr Brett farr did not Treat Aaron rodgers. Well aaron
always was more respectful Of Jordan. Love got to Give
aaron credit for. That AND i Think aaron does, care you.
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KNOW i do Think aaron has fewer Than, brady but
very strong relationships to the people he considers allies who
really are loyal to. Him Russell wilson has very few
over the course of his. Career aaron's got. Guys SO
i Think aaron going there for a, year mentoring and
probably playing a lot is a GREAT i, mean it's
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so funny That farv went to The, jets then The.
VIKINGS i think it's the. PLAY i really do on
That aaron doesn't have four years. Left aaron doesn't have
to me three years. Left aaron's got a couple of years.
Left and if you told me two In pittsburgh or
one In. MINNESOTA i would take the one with The.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Vikings my issue with The vikings is that they've already
put so much INTO jj. McCarthy that's my problem with The.
Vikings they traded up to get. Him he has two knee.
Surgeries they probably didn't Think Sam darnold will play at
AN mvp caliber, level certainly not what he gave them last.
Year so when you have that much invested INTO jj
McCarthy now he's going into year, two to have him
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sit a second year and to bring In Aaron rodgers
is a pretty tall. Order AND i think if You're kevin,
O'Connell you're looking at the future and you're seeing it
IN jj. McCarthy that's Why i've never really bought into
all The Aaron.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Rodgers why why does the future have to start?
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Now because the roster is built to win, now WHICH
i guess probably makes you, think, well maybe It's, Aaron
maybe it should Be.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
AARON i should say.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
YEAH i, Mean i'm, listen according to the, Story aaron
pitched one. Year But i'm proposing, right which is, listen
this is the best. ROSTER i Think pittsburgh's fools goal
everybody tells. Me everybody told me he's going to. Go
he's gonna go To. Pittsburgh he's gonna come out, there
having a big event In. Pittsburgh and it's like when
he didn't show up with that big event AND i
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thought there was a chance of. It aaron doesn't want
to go To. Pittsburgh he's not A pittsburgh. Guy two needy,
receivers defensive, culture battle, line lost age. Hairs that's not
Who aaron. Is aaron's too smart to make a dumb.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Decision minnesota also has The, dome which is.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Nice he knows your vision. DIVISION i Think minnesota for
a year works all.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Right calling The cowboys moved on From mike McCarthy this offseason.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
And famer the favor of former O C Brian.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Schottenheimer Dak prescott is continuing to work his way back
from a hamstring, injury but he's shown a lot of
optimism for what his new head coach can bring To.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Dallas just, Excitement, yeah just.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Excitement as as you, SAID i, Mean i'm knowing. Shoddy,
uh he's been.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
There he's been the last couple of years and really three, years,
right the first year of being a consultant that it's
not any monumental conversation that it needed to, happen but
definitely his direction and the way that he sees this offense,
going the way that he sees this team. Going AND
i think it's clear throughout the team with the guys
and the men that he's hired as the, coaches and
the way that he's got the whole building on the same.
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Page so just excited for this chapter under.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Him, YEAH i don't buy.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It, yeah five win team take the. UNDER i?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Agree, yeah maybe Four, yeah maybe a four win.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Team we know coaching. Matters goal to go At Sean
payton In denver what he did Replacing. Hackett we know
coaching is second to quarterback. Play in this, lead there's
two things that win. IMMEDIATELY a great quarterback if he's
coupled with a very good Coach.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Suver that's they hit both last. Year, Yeah chargers both last.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Year, yeah it's it's Not chargers went From remember this same.
Personnel chargers had the thirty second ranked. Defense. Ye Jesse
minter And harbaugh come, in they RANK i think number
one or, two number, one and their draft picks were
overwhelmingly on the offensive. Side, yeah so it was the
same personnel thirty second to first that The chargers with
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the greatest shining example of what coaching means in this.
League And Brian schottenneimer is more of a position, COACH
i would, argue than a.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
COORDINATE i, exactly he's not even to me a, coordinator
let alone a head. Coach so if you think About
Jason garrett his first year With dallas wins eight, Games
mike McCarthy wins. Six we think they win four or.
Five The, cowboys by the, way haven't even been to
THE Nfc championship since nineteen ninety. Six this roster needed
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a great innovative. Coach this roster Needed Ben, johnson maybe
even In Aaron. Glenn instead they settle On Brian, schottenneimer
Who jerry introduces as this is the biggest RISK i
can take everything we talked about yesterday in terms Of
dallas operating archaically at a glacial, pace this highre said
that it doesn't make any. Sense and in That division
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Two Washington, philly The giants probably be a little. Better
not that easy in THE, Nfc.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So Dallas cowboys will be in the Arch manning. Sweepstakes
there is no.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Question maybe it's a blessing in disguise then, yeah Uh
okay to THE, nba where The lakers will face The
Tea wolves in the first round of the playoffs On.
Saturday luca has fared well Against minnesota in his, career
most recently taken him down in last Year's Western Conference
finals when he was with The. MAVs now Jj reddick
plans to lean on his start in preparation For game
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One mike playing.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Career that happened a. Lot you, know there's regular season
and there's, playoffs and oftentimes it's not completely different, things
but there are nuances to what teams are trying to
do against certain. Opponents greg was On phoenix last year
and got swept By. Minnesota, Sorry, greg just stating in,
fact so he's, got you, know a, good good level
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of experience as. Well it was literally the thing he
said to me as soon as the game was. Over,
so you, know we have a lot.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Of work to.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Do and they're they're a really good basketball.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Team they're a very different basketball team than The, lakers
where they're kind of old at the point With Mike,
conley they're very young and. Youthful with Aunt jen There's Julius,
randall who doesn't have a history of succeeding the, Postseason
Rudy gobert's defense over. Offense The lakers are offensive. TEAM
i mean that's what they. Are they've got play, initiators playmakers.
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Everywhere these are two contrasting. STYLES i think The lakers
win in. FIVE i think they'll JUST i just think
it'll come down to make it. BAD i think the
games are competitive and. Close love the coaching staff with
the T. WOLVES i THINK Jj reddick could be coach
of The year, material AND i think the games will be.
Close these games are all going to be one oh,
four one oh four to me with four and a
half minutes. Left who's got the shot makers? Late it's
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Not Julius. Randall It's edwards. Though, no, well, AGAIN i
don't think he's quite. Ready he's Not lebron to me
Or luca in the clutch in a big spot yet
as a. Player So i'm going to Take Reeves Luca
lebron one oh four to one oh, four three point fifty.
Left who makes the big shots down the? Stretch trust
The lakers playmakers and shot.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Makers, yeah the thing Is edwards believes in his head
that he's already the best player in the, league and
sometimes that that falls bravado because he's a great. Player
but at twenty three years, old sometimes that can go
one of two. Ways AND i wonder in this series
it maybe if it goes a positive, WAY i would push,
back call in and, Say minnesota Has Rudy, gobert they
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have the big The lakers stot they Had Mark williams
obviously doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Out does that impact this? Series does that?
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Size, Okay so you don't Think minnesota can just Impose
gobert in this?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Series?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Now Rudy gobert is not changing outcomes in? Series, YEAH i.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Mean, luca just for, context last year in The Western
Conference finals thirty two to nine to eight shoots forty
four percent from three against this. Team and then one more,
Note i'll give you A collen three of the highest
scores AN nba playoff history in this, Series.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Luca lebron And. Edwards so if you're actually here's the
question to.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
You if you're The lakers and it's a one possession game,
late who does take the?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Shot the final shot in a.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Playoffs, OH i THINK i think it's a hot. Hand Probably.
Luca But i'll tell you this is that If i'm The,
Lakers i'm not as good defensively As. Minnesota BUT i
know WHO i have to defend.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Late.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Aunt who do you guard with The Lakers, Lebron, Austin
luca or is It ruey in the? CORNER jj Jj
reddick's got multiple. Cards he can deal, here late, possessions late,
half late. Games aunt's got to be the. Closer Julius
randalls never been a good playoff, guy Go. Bears mostly
a defensive. Dude Mike conley love. Him always have great,
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leader not a shot. Maker late in the playoff, SERIES
i Think minnesota is just gonna run out Of.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Ammo you Got, minnesota you Got lakers in. Five i'll
Go lakers in.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Seven all, Right jordan with a.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
News, well that's the, news and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
By, right stops by top of next. Hour Joel klatt
stops by his. Well so there's not a lot about
The New York giants THAT i have liked over the
last eight. Years BUT i want you to think about this.
Story So Adam schefter reports That Shador sanders is going
to hold one last private Workout thursday And Boulder colorado
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for The New York. Giants now FORMER Nflgm Mike tannenbaum
quote tweeted it and, said this is what happens late
in the process when there's a big disagreement in the
building or they've got new. INFORMATION i don't think it's.
Either so let's just say this. First why would you
do a private. Workout this is not a hung jury
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where you need more. Evidence you have fifty games in
college on. Tape he's already had a pro. Day the
only thing scouts aren't quite sure. About the mystery with
him isn't armor. Mobility he's averaged. There it's does he
hold the ball too? Long, yes but you're not going
to decipher, that encode that at a personal. WORKOUT i
think The New York giants are doing this because they're
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not drafting him because The saints with The Derek carr
News Derek carr news that he may miss the, season
The saints are going to draft him at the number nine.
Spot but by The giants going To Boulder, colorado clever. Move,
oh we are very. Interested, no they want to move
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down and accumulate more draft. Picks SO i believe The
giants do not Want Shador. Sanders they've got fifty college
games on, tape they've been to his pro, day they've
interviewed him. Again think about his. Traits Arm, okay, Mobility,
okay everybody in the room knows. That the only mystery
With Shador sanders as he holds the ball too. Long
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you're not going to be able to figure out if
he gets rid of the ball quicker at a private. Workout,
okay they're just they're in my, opinion this Is Mike
tannenbaum's off, here like, him know. HIM i think he's.
OFF i think they're doing that to send a signal
to the teams drafting below. Them you know what we're
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we're having second thoughts On Shadour. Sanders this is not
A Josh allen situation Where josh literally struggled with. Completions
though he was six, five two fifty a huge, athlete
but he was a small town. Guy he played in
a small. Conference people had a lot he had a
real bad tweet when he was like. Seventeen people had
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a lot of questions About Josh, allen though everybody knew
he was. Great we know What shadour, is no big,
arm no great, athlete super, accurate very. Composed we even
know his personality because of YouTube and. TikTok we know
all these guys'. Personalities we know his dad's. Personality there's
nothing to unveil here or decode. HERE i believe this
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is The giants sending a, signal you, know we may
you may want to move up and give us your
second round pick because we're having second thoughts On. SHUDEUR
i Believe i'll throw it out. There The giants Have Russell,
wilson The giants Have Jamis, winston and The giants believe
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with their draft position they can go Get kyle McCord
in the second, round by the, way who played At,
syracuse so they've seen plenty of, them plenty Of kyle.
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FOX i gotta tell You march And april have delivered
the college Basketball March madness was, Amazing augusta was absolutely.
Amazing you know it's FUNNY i go in and out
on golf. There golf is one of those sports THAT
i like. IT i MEAN i. GOLF i like the.
GOLF i do more of it in the. SUMMER i
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don't do a ton of it the, winner even THOUGH
i live In Los angeles for the time. Being BUT
i would say golf when there's a transcendent golfer Like
Tiger woods and he's got a rival Like Phil, Mickelson
i'm In, Brooks, koepka Deshambau roy. McElroy i found myself
yesterday watching some clips Of augusta and The, masters AND i,
(32:21):
THOUGHT i cannot wait for The British. Open and it's
so fascinating because you know that a lot of, sports
like the end we were talking about this this, morning
is a. Staff THE nba is like international. Soccer it's
driven by, personalities iconic moments and superscar, branding right Like,
Messi Rinaldo Lebron steph AND i was thinking about. This
(32:45):
Steph curry's always been undervalued because he's not a physical,
specimen and he introduced the three point, shot which a
lot of people don't love as much as the dunk
orse the you, KNOW i, mean he's not a physically imposing.
Player he's just the great greatest shooter of all. Time
but they played tonight in the playing. Game and if they,
lose AND i don't think The warriors, will AND i
think this is the perfect team for them to Play.
Memphis what do we make of The? WARRIORS i said this.
(33:07):
Earlier they feel like the adult at the night club
with all these young. Kids it's, like who's wearing old?
Spice these guys are. Old And Draymond green, says slow,
down slow, Down we're not that. Old we'll be. Fine.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
Playoffs are you playing to go back to backs or
anything like? That so just gotta get. There we'll be all.
Right we're not senior. Citizens we're high level basketball. Players you,
know we had to play. Tomorrow we'll be all.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Right you, know you train all year for.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
This so, yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
It's no disrespect to the senior.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Citizens by the, way we love our senior. Citizens just
throw out out. There, so BUT nba dynasties they end.
Differently so if you remember The Chicago. Bulls Jerry krause is, like,
guys this is the last. Year that's why the documentary was,
called you, know The Last. Damps so the front office
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blew up. There they could have extended it, right they
came back and. Won you should give them another. Year
they wouldn't do. It The heatles broke up because a
free Agency lebron left The. Cleveland The, Lakers shaq And
kobe blew up because of. Ego what you have more
of in THE nba is The sonics or The, blazers
or The Dallas mavericks or you, know The Denver. Nuggets
(34:26):
will you come in The Milwaukee bucks and you win,
once you may go to the finals again and then it's.
Over you don't have that many dynasties now in THE.
Nfl dynasties are all started because of two. Things a
great quarterback and a great. Coach you can go back To,
Bradshaw Chuck, Noll Montana, Walsh, Akman Jimmy, Johnson Brady, Belichick, Mahomes.
(34:48):
Reid it's only one way to have a dynasty in THE.
Nfl you gotta have an a coach and a star.
Quarterback that's. It, otherwise now you can win a one.
Off Nick foles can, Win Brad, Johnson Trent, dilford you
can do, that but a, dynasty that's the only. WAY nba,
dynasties like international soccer, dynasties usually you have a transformational
player and then it's either roster construction denver where you
(35:11):
don't have Another All star right, now Like boston's got
TWO a, players but they share in. It they don't
have a transformational. Player BUT i think what happens with The,
warriors they're doing it the way The spurs did. It
so The spurs had a dynasty with a beloved, Player Tim,
duncan and surrounded it with other very good. Players they're
going to make The hall Of fame RIGHT a man
(35:32):
who Janotb, blee A Tony parker level, Player draymon And
clay kd around. Staff but they didn't blow it up
with the ego Because steph doesn't already have. One they
didn't blow it up with free agency Because steph's not going.
Anywhere they didn't blow it up in the front. Office in,
Fact Bob, myers WHO i saw this past week on,
Vacation Bob myers did not want to Move Klay. Thompson
so he, Said i'll go into. TELEVISION i. CAN'T i
(35:52):
don't want to deal with this. Stuff so they're doing
what San antonio, did which is slowly trying to extend the.
Dynasty remember they Got duncan's getting. Older, oh we Got.
Kawhi let's bring In LaMarcus ulrich From. Portland and that's
what they've tried to.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Do.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Here they bring In Andrew. Wiggins they get one. More
but you look at him right. Now steph's post thirty,
Five butler's. Old DRAYMOND i, think is the youngest of
the three at thirty. Five pods is not a. Star
he's more Like Austin. Reeves he'll be your number three
or your number. Four so if they lose tonight and
they're locked into these contracts With draymond And butler And,
(36:28):
STEPH i don't know where they. Go they do feel
like they were hoping That James wiseman would eventually extend.
It it didn't. Work they were Hoping Jordan poole could
extend it. Immature they are Hoping Jonathan kaminga could extend.
It they were looking for a two For. Steph wiseman
(36:48):
couldn't do. It pool was too immature And kaminga can't do.
It and how DO i Know kaminga can't do it
because it WAS dnp in the biggest game of the
year against The. Clippers coach's. Decision that's not going to.
Work SO i. THINK i think what they're trying to
do is What San antonio. Did we're gonna pull it
out as long as we. Can they got another. One
kawhi got that one against The, heatles, right And wiggins
(37:10):
got that one against The, celtics but very quickly after
that they moved Off kawhi AND i looked it up
this this, morning so it ends very. Quickly The bulls
post mj six years no, playoffs The lakers end Of
kobe and Partly kobe six years no, playoffs and The
spurs today today six years no. Playoffs so it can
(37:33):
fall off a cliff If kaminga would have. Worked and
The warriors have been. Trying they've been trying to find
As clay aged And draymon, eights they're trying to find
the next dominant. PLAYER i think they thought for a
couple of Years kaminga could be, it but when you
watch him And steph And draymon And butler on the.
Floor cominga doesn't fit now, now is somebody else gonna
(37:54):
pay him a boatload of? MONEY I i, mean he
can give you twenty twenty one a, Game he's, long he's.
Athletic somebody may. Bite BUT i think The warriors are
Doing you, know In San antonio they Extended, popovich they
extended the. Dynasty warriors Extended, kerr they extend the. Dynasty
but these things usually end. Abruptly San antonio And Golden
(38:16):
state are squeezing about as much out of it as you.
Can but what if they lose? Tonight what if they
don't what if they don't win a, Series it'll end.
Fast you'll have to consider making big. Move they're never
gonna Move. Steph but if they don't win tonight or
they don't win a playoff, Series draymond's getting, Older butler's getting,
older And stepf's going, nowhere And pods is more of
(38:38):
a three or, four that's what he, Is SO i
think it'll be an ACTIVE i thought differently a month
ago When kaminga wasn't. PLAYING i thought he would come
back and sort of elevate them to the next. Level
but When, Sunday Steve kerse, said we're not playing. Him
it's like it's not gonna. Work that is a big
that's a red. Flag it's not gonna. Work i've Thought
(39:00):
kurt talked about that in a post game. Recently good
to have You nick right top of the. Hour joel
clad as. Well you know one of the THINGS i
was talking about earlier about fifteen minutes. Ago you're seeing
a lot of gamesmanship before THE Nfl, draft which starts Next,
thursday which THE nfl it, IS i, mean it's almost
(39:21):
it gets huge numbers and Should this is not a
sexy draft, generally if you have three or four high
profile quarterbacks The Sam darnold To Baker, Mayfield Joe burrow,
to you're gonna get good. Ratings this will do. OKAY
i don't think it'll set all time, numbers but it's
interesting now you're seeing some game. PLAYING i think The
New York giants smartly are going to See Shadeur Sanders
(39:47):
thursday In, Bowler, colorado AND i believe this is only
to move down in the. Draft they're trying to get
somebody to. Bite So Ian rappaport reports That giants have
a very, busy so they are set to work Out
jalen Mill row. Privately they're not Drafting, jayalen SO i
(40:07):
think what they're doing with that is The giants are
going To. Boulder so according To Ian, rappaport they're going
to work Out Jalen milroll. Privately why he's not going
number two or? Three, right he's not going? Three what
The giants are? Doing in, FACT i wouldn't have let
This millroll thing out because NOW i think it's very.
Transparent what The giants are doing is going To colorado
(40:31):
trying to get somebody to bite on their, pick and
then they move down to maybe fourteenth or, fifteenth and
that's where you could Draft Jalen. MILROLL i wouldn't have
let The millroll stuff. Out you can work him. OUT
i wouldn't want it out. THERE i THINK i think
The giants want to move, back not not Secure Shador.
SANDERS i think it's game playing at its, best AND
(40:54):
i don't like much of what The giants do
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