April 28, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin discusses the fall of Shedeur Sanders from a potential top pick to eventually getting selected in the 5th round
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All right, it is Monday, after the draft and with
the NBA playoffs revving up. Look at those Tea Wolves,
Lakers in trouble and reeling.
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Speaker 3 (00:49):
Jmack.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's funny. I have said this for a long time.
I've been saying this for about a decade. You never
get lied to.
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More in our.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Business than a month before the NFL Draft. I've said
that one hundred times. You get so much misinformation fed
to you, as mel kiper a month before the NFL Draft.
So a lot of stories we start with us. As
Shader Sanders was sliding. Suddenly stories started to pop out
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from Justina Anderson, Todd mcshae a Jonathan Jones, NFL insider
for CBS. Stuff that wasn't out there as much pre draft.
I mean, we knew that legendary draft room. We could
see that was a bit cringe. But when people were
starting to explain, well what happened, well, stories started coming
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out that he sandbagged certain interviews or was brash. Bruce
Feldman wrote an article that I read he not only
didn't compete at the Senior Bowl or NFL scouting Combine,
a former NFL quarterback coach. Feldman spoke was Sunday morning,
said not surprising. The intel I was getting on Sanders
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was shocking. He had no self awareness? So why did
he drop? Am I surprised?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Shocked?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Actually I would have taken him if I was the Steelers.
But between his dad Dion, who has many friends in
the media, saying during the Super Bowl, on multiple interviews,
we will dictate terms, we will not play for certain teams,
and then between Sanders should do or sandbagging interviews, that
probably explains it.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So I'll tell you after the show.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Friday, before Round two, I talked to two different times
an executive in the league asking questions, what do you
think of go he in. This executive said to me,
he said, if he doesn't go in the first six
to eight picks at the top of the second round,
then people view him as a backup. And I and
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I'll quote it here, I'm not sure how many teams
want that circus in the building as a backup. Remember
Tim Tebow, celebrity backup a mess in New York. Bill
Belichick made a decision once Mac Jones beat him out
in New England.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Remember they let Cam go.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback, especially when Dion the
Dad waited until mid to late March to say, okay,
now anybody can draft my son. So now, was I surprised? Yes,
Pittsburgh didn't have a quarterback in a division with Joe
Burrow and Lamar Jackson. I mean, I don't know who
their quarterback is. But Daniel Jeremiah, a former three time
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scout on the NFL Network, has been a very interesting point.
Jeremiah is really good at what he does. He was
quoted as saying that the one quarterback that he thought
was similar to Shador Sanders was Kenny Pickett. And what
Daniel Jeremiah said, well, they did Kenny Pickett, and they
got burned. And they may have looked at it and said, yeah,
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we've done that kind.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Of quarterback before.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Not a big arm moves, Okay, okay, decent numbers. We
got pass on that, and Pittsburgh did. Remember, Shador Sanders
also said this words matter. People listen. He said this
at the NFL combine. Shadeur said, quote, if you ain't
trying to change the franchise the culture, don't get me.
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Teams listened. They didn't get him. So the league sent
out a very clear message. Cam Ward was indisputably the
best prospect and maybe close to an A prospect, but
everybody else was a B.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
In a C prospect.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And in life, if you're not an A, then you
have to get the intangibles right right, you're intangibles. For
Dak Prescott, Dak's never thrown an A ball, but he
was an A plus plus with intangibles. That brought Purty
small not a great app A plus plus with intangibles.
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People are telling you they didn't like some of Shador's intangibles. Remember,
March in April. NFL doesn't know you anything. March in April.
Our job is interview months and in February and early March,
Dad Dion was saying will set terms. There are teams
he won't play for. So I don't think this is
all on shuduor but you know, somebody made a point
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this morning in our staff meeting. It's almost like you're
a young actor and you'd only ever been in your
dad's movies, and then you interviewed with some other directors
to finally not be in one of your dad's movies,
and you kind of lack self awareness and turn some
people off. So when I hear he's sand bagged interviews
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or was not a professional from people I trust, that
goes a long way and explaining it. And I believe
I said this years ago about backup quarterbacks. I said
this more than once. A perfect backup quarterback is a
guy that could go to the local mall, put sunglasses
in a baseball hat on walk through the mall and
nobody would bother him, nobody would recognize him. Your starting
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quarterback in the NFL is going to be a star,
right All starting quarterbacks in their towns are stars. A
backup nobody wants a celebrity, and so that's the downside.
I don't blame only shoulder. But when you hear he's
sandbag interviews, that's what Dad did. Dion sandbag interviews legendarily
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sandbagged interviews. Bragged about sandbagging interviews. But Dion was an
a plus plus plus prospect, the best corner of all time.
Everybody knew going into this draft that Shure wasn't a
great arm guy. I would have drafted him, not a
mobile guy. I would have drafted him. I was shocked
by it, and I was told be very if he
doesn't go in the first six to eight picks in
the top of the second round. People are telling you
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they see him as a backup. Peter Schrager used to
work here, now works at ESPN also brought up an
interesting point. Dion has worked for so many media outlets
and has so many friends in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You know, nobody wanted to give him the truth.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Your son's okay, And then once the noise, noise scares
a lot of teams, especially at one bosition. The discussions
are always different about quarterbacks than non quarterbacks. When I
talked to NFL people, we always talk about toughness. We
talk about productivity and speed and vertical When you talk
about quarterbacks. It's leadership. Will guys follow them over a hill?
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Is he a foxhole guy? The conversation changes, so and
I got a lot of different thoughts on this. We're
actually defend shad Or on something that I thought he
did a really good job on. But Cleveland drafted him.
There are those that believed that the GM and the
coach didn't want to draft him, they'd already drafted a quarterback,
and Jimmy Haslam, the owner, stepped in like he did
with Deshaun Watson. Needless, regardless, here's Andrew Berry on the pick.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Once it got to a point where it felt like
it was at, you know, a pretty steep discount, we
just felt like, hey, especially relative to the alternative ways
that we could use the selection, this made the most sense.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
All right, More on that in a bit.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Their reaction was stoic, to be honest, not the most
excited looking draft room, to be honest. Okay, so the
Lakers are in big trouble. They pushed all their chips
in against Minnesota. For the first time an NBA playoff history,
a team played only five players in an entire half.
They never subbed. They called the death lineup and eventually
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it was for them. Meanwhile, Minnesota a deeper, bigger roster
with far more dexterity, far more options. The Lakers, JJ
Reddick basically told you our roster has limitations. There's an
old thing in the NBA in the playoffs that you
play eight guys, but you trust seven. JJ Reddick played
five guys and trusted four, and they almost pulled it off.
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But did you notice that Lebron looked tired by the end.
He didn't score in the fourth quarter, and Luca looked
tired at the end, never been in the world's best shape.
And here was Aunt Edwards once again. If you go
look at fourth quarter numbers in this series, Luca against
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Aunt Edwards, Minnesota Timberwolves, without question, points, assists, rebounding, field
goal percentage. The best player in the fourth quarter in
this series has consistently been Aunt Edwards. That's how you
win a playoffs series and quickly maturing, quickly defining basketball player.
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So the t Wolves are deeper and Edwards is the
best player. But I think more than anything, remember when
the Lakers made that trade, the Luca thing and Mark
Williams a center. Remember that whole deal, Mark Williams. They
were going to get a Mark Williams, the center who'd
been injured, but he was a definitive NBA big, big,
wide body shot blocker, and then it got canceled because
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team doctors wouldn't give it a pass. In LA Well,
JJ Reddick was telling you, yeah, I wasn't part of
that decision because he won't play Jackson Hayes. And you're
not beating Minnesota without some bigs. I mean, Julius Randall,
who's never been good in the playoffs, is having a
tremendous series on three pointers. And so why Randall's a big,
He's getting good looks and so you know, JJ Reddick's
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telling you this roster needs tweaking. I'm playing five, I
may play I may trust four. And here was JJ after.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
We've certainly played well enough to win, and we gave
the effort to win, and you know, the not a
planned thing to play five guys in the entire second half.
We asked him at the beginning of the fourth quarter,
told them we had two extra timeouts. You know, if
you need to sub let us know, those guys gave
gave a lot. I think once you've kind of made
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that decision, and you know, and that they all are
in you just got to trust them.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Aunt Edwards led the NBA this year in clutch regular
season points. Minnesota as a basketball team was in all
sorts of games like this. They led the NBA in
clutch games, meaning close, tight, hard fought games. That's what
the te Wolves did all regular season. They were built
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for it. In Aunt Edwards, whose three point shot improved dramatically.
He was built for it. They now have a three
to one series lead. They'll be well rested. Will the
Lakers will be as well. The next game is Wednesday,
and here's Ant.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I'm just trying to take advantage of every opportunity. I mean,
because you know, I've been dreaming of this all my life,
whether it was football or basketball. So just being in
these situations and now it's going against Brunn and Luca.
Luca probably the best player in the game, young player
in the game, and Brun is the best player leaving
the game. So just trying to, you know, prove I
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belong and tell all my haters and people who criticize
me that I'm better than they think.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Ant is officially the best young player in the game.
Did you see him battling Lebron. He's like I got Lebron.
Did you see that wrestling match? You're not getting that
from Luke on the defensive end. Offense runs the league.
I'm not denying that, but look at Ant's fourth quarter numbers.
His energy is through the roof. Not just his points,
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but his field goal percentage. Look at Luca's field goal percentage.
Guys get tired. Shots are flat. So if you want
one of the things that made Jordan, we only showed
Jordan's offensive highlights. What made Michael Jordan great was his
relentless defense along with his relentless offense and clutch play
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in the fourth core Michael's energy. You could go to
quadruple overtime. Michael's energy, even when he was sick the
Utah games was just better than other players. Look at
Ant's fourth quarters. That is young inimpeccable shape. Because Ant
previously first couple of years he would wear down Layton games.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
He does it anymore. He picks his spots.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
He is putting up forty two percent three point in
the fourth and you're pett in your defender on him.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So he has arrived.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
He has got the argument to me as the best
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Speaker 1 (13:32):
Not kind of really a mean thing happened, sort of
cruel that Shador Sanders apparently got pranked called during the draft.
They found out who it was. It was Jack's Olbrich.
His dad's a coach for the Atlanta Falcons. He somehow
got the number. And it's really dumb. And young men
do really dumb things every weekend in this country, fight
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at bars, drive too fast, and get hurt. Seventeen to
twenty four year old men, according to FBI data, commit
the most crime or frontal lobes. Not fully developed. Young
men do dumb stuff. And I have six kids in
my life and they've all done something dumb. And I
did things that were dumber, maybe not as this dumb,
but I did dumb stuff too. I don't like it.
It's cruel. It's not what you should do. And the
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kid did call Shadur and apologized. But to watch the
media's reaction, they're more bothered by this than other actions
that happen all the time in this league that deserve
more criticism. The kid did something really dumb and then
called Shahdour and apologized. Here's the thing, when these kind
of moments happen in life, and this happened to Shaduur,
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I'm often captivated by how people handle it. And did
anybody watch how Shadeur Sanders handled it. It was really impressive.
He said, it's okay, everybody makes mistakes. Wow, that's really adult.
My members, older members of the media are wrecked by
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it and deeply bothered that he fell in the drag
left He wasn't he kept the thing the thing. He's
not gonna hold a grudge, and you'll find that as
a habit among winners in life generally, they're not grudge holders.
They focus on what matters. Shador Sanders came out when
somebody played a really cruel joke, unacceptable, and he said
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it's okay, it's okay, people make mistakes. That is an
incredibly impressive reaction, and as he dropped in the draft,
here's what he said about going to Cleveland.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
I know I'm gonna fit in perfectly. I feel like
it's first getting in, showing the respect to events, showing them, uh,
you know, I'm ready to work. So did coaches and
have them understand, you know, I'm here ready to work today,
could actually understand the real me. That's what I'm truly
thankful to have, is the opportunity for people to actually
see the real me and not be able to receive,
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you know, stuff that could be true or not. That's
what I'm Uh'm most excited about being in a good and.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Wow, I mean Aaron Rodgers dropped a few draft picks,
was bitter. Shaduur Sanders dropped to the fifth round and
he's like, I can't wait to get into the building,
show respect to the veterans. He gets pranked. He could
have had a multitude of reactions. He's like a kid
made a mistake. We're all gonna be okay. People make mistakes.
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That makes me want to root for Shadur Sanders. You
guys can throw tizzy fits reacting to the dropping in
the draft. By the way, Kyle McCord dropped. He went
later than I thought, and he went to the Philadelphia Eagles.
And by the way, Will Howard he went really late too,
he went to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like this idea that
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going high in the draft and to really bad franchises
is always the answer. The truth is, Joe Flackel will
probably win that Brown's job. My guess is Shaduur Sanders
easily because he was underdrafted. He will easily win the
backup role over Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett easily. And
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then by Thanksgiving, I'm gonna make a bet Shador Sanders
is going to play and be the starting quarterback. But
I was really impressed as everybody was freaking out. Maybe
it's because I've had so many kids in my life.
The kids do dumb stuff. Young boys do really dumb stuff.
And I didn't like it at all, and it made
me mad and I thought it was cruel. But how
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Shadeuor handled it told me, Okay, that's the kind of compartmentalization,
attitude and maturity you get from veteran quarterbacks that flourish.
They don't pout, they're not punitive, they don't hold a grudge. Hey,
everybody makes mistakes. It is that kind of even temperament
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that blew me away. I mean, I'm sitting there thinking,
if my kid was a quarterback and somebody did this
to my kid, I'd be really hurt, and maybe Shdoer was.
But that reaction A plus plus. He may have a
B arm and a B minus mobility, but that temperament
in that moment A plus plus. J mcklin News, Turn.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
On the news.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
This is the herd Line news. I were starting in
the NBA where, oh my gosh, the Knixt Piston series
continues to be magnificent. Carl Anthony Townsend the hero Sunday
with two clutch shots in the final minute, and then
of course there was this scrum and Tim Hardaway kind
of sort of got fouled by Josh Heart. There no call,
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much to the chagrin of JB. Bickerstaff and the Pistons staff.
They were just irate after the game.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Go back and look at the film. The guy leaves
his feet. There's contact on Tim Hardaway's jump shot. You know,
I don't know any other way around it. There's contact
on his jump shot. The guy leaves his feet he's
at Timmy's mercy and I repeat, there's contact doing his
jump shut.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Can I throw this out? Can I throw this out?
So it is it was. I thought Detroit out played them.
I thought Detroit was the better team, and then they
didn't get the call. The league acknowledge they missed it.
But we all love physical play because it's just more intense.
I mean watching Lebron Edwards. The ratings are proving the
audience likes this. What did the audience say no to
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the All Star Game where.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Nobody plays defense?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
People don't watch the regular season because people don't play
this kind of defense. People are reacting. The arenas love it.
People are into it. The downside the letting things go
is that that doesn't change the outcome.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It just changes is the score.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But when you get to the last minute to minute
and a half of a game, allowing that kind of
physicality can in real time change the outcome.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So officials have been told clearly by the league, let.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Them play bad strategy.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Well, no it's not.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
It's much better ratings. Bottom line, in our the games
are close bottom. In our business, the strategy that gets
the numbers the best strategy. The ratings are great well,
and the games are close and the physicality is amazing.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It's working. It's hard to turn off.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Ratings have been up since Luca joined Lebron in LA
but the series, the games have been magnificent down to
the wire. But like when you're not calling stuff, Colin,
that leads to bad outcomes, like the Pistons got screwed.
I'm a next fan. That's fuckers got screwed, Jamie Daniels
sticking his leg out.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Like, but these games are getting are more interesting because
they're allowing physical playing.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Do you think Piston's nicks is visually appealing when there's
battles and scrums when Anthony Edwards is shoving Lebron at
two hands.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yep, that's just not the crowds reacting to it.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, the crowd loves it.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, they're watching like Gladiator three D guys killing each other.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
How that movie do in the theater?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Gladiare one excellent, gladiair two not.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Some people like physical play, it's not disputable. Watch the
crowd react to Aunt Lebron banging. Watch the crowd they stand,
they're into it. The problem is with a minute left,
you do have to call fouls with physicality because it
changes the final score.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So that's the tough part. Like if you're not refereeing
one way for eighty games and then you change it
for seven and then you change it back for the
final minute, It's like, what are we doing? Needs a consistency?
Now they got to pick one, pick a lane when
we want to let them play or do the physical
will they are clearly letting them play, by the way,
Clippers Nuggets, multiple arguments laid in games, so you're seeing
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what's happening through all these.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Playoffkings that are close. It always comes down to a call,
and it always the losing team is always like you're
not calling enough. But the truth is the physicality. Watch
the ratings, Watch the reaction of the players, watch the crowd.
The bottom line has always been this. It's like people
that defend the toush push. It's obviously esthetic, not not
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aesthetically pleasing. But why Philadelphia likes it is it because
it defines them through toughness and physicality. We like our
athletes to be tough. We like Michael Jordan because he's tough.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It is a tough one. With the ratings game, NFL
Draft ratings were massive because Shador Sanders slid call like controversy.
So like I I just again, remember how the in
the NCAA tournament you hate upsets early because you want
the best teams playing at the end. Well, guess what
I want the best teams playing in the NBA finals.
If we're gonna get like a Minnesota Timberwolves slugging it
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out with the Calves because they're physical teams, that's a
huge loss for the NBA. The NBA would much prefer
the Lakers advancing.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
So we argued about this, the NBA got the bag.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Well, obviously, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
The ratings don't matter. That's somebody else's yes.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Well, wa, do the ratings matter or not? You just
say they're up.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I'm saying overall, the league wants more people watching basketball,
and the playoff ratings have been great, but they haven't
just been great like the regular season for the Lakers.
They've been great for everybody. So the point is physicality
is working. The league now got the bag. They got
the money from the net work. Now it's up to
the networks to make money on it. That's not their problem.
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I sell my house, what you do with it? Paint purple?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I don't care. I'm out of it. I got my money.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So you could say it's better for the league at
the Lakers play, but they don't have a star yet.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
They don't have a next star domestically.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Ant's it so and I think privately, Adam Silber, if
you asked him, would say, I.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Would rather see our neck. We don't have a domestic
star in this league.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
We've seen Lebron play a million times in the playoffs.
I think Minnesota winning privately, now that the NBA has
got its contract, they got their money. They want they
want to find and promote a domestic star. And Ant
is good looking, likable guy, unbelievably dynamic.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
He does have some off court issues that he's talked
about and fans have gotten on his case about. Not great.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
He's twenty three.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Luca and Lebron, Come on, Coley, you want to see
them against Steph Curry next round. Also Rockets. We'll see
if they rough up Curry again tonight. Next story, back
to the NFL. The Steelers. You know they did draft
a quarterback Will Howard in the sixth round. However, they're
waiting for Aaron. Rodgers owner Art Rooney said Friday, Rodgers
does want to come to Pittsburgh and there could be
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official word soon. However, Mike Tomlin did not want to
put a time frame on Aaron Rodgers' decision.
Speaker 9 (24:20):
I'm not going to forecast the hips and the wins
regarding not only them, but any potential free agent. Just
rest assured that we've had really productive talks with him
and he personally, I've enjoyed having really productive talk with him.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
They getting to know him.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, I don't know what they're doing with their quarterback.
I'm guessing they've got some assurances from Aaron. If you
don't have assurances from Aaron in a division with Burrow
and Lamar, that's four games a year, in a conference
with Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, c J Stroud, Justin Herbert,
I don't know what you're doing. So my take it
there has to be something going on because Will Howard's
a backup in the NFL at best.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, he's a backup.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
So I would have drafted Shadeur Sanders unless I had
a deal. So we talked about this before the draft.
I think Aaron Rodgers was waiting. What if Pittsburgh told Aaron, listen,
we're going to draft a backup. But we're not going
to draft. We're not going to draft a starter. You'll
know after the draft that we have clearly drafted a backup.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Will Howard is seen as a backup. And that's what
I think he is.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
In a pros schaudure, even if he went in the
fourth round, you could argue Aaron could go, well, that's
going to be your starter at some point. If I
have a bad game, people want should do her. So
I think Aaron smartly said, Okay, I'll come, but I'm
gonna watch the draft.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I'm not gonna be Kirk Cousins here.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And my guess is Aaron will sign with Pittsburgh now,
because how could you not draft anybody but Will Howard
if you don't have a quarterback in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So those two teams in the division have Burrough set,
Lamar set. The Browns have five quarterbacks on the roster.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
The door's gonna win that job.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
When before Thanksgiving, we can make that a friendly wi.
I wouldn't say he's not even to start a game
this season.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Oh, I'll bet you on that.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Kenny Pickett Colin, what message did they said taking Dylan
Gabriel over him okay.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So my friend John Middlecoff had a theory is that
the Browns didn't want to get into the Shadeur Sanders
sweepstakes because they showed their hand in the first round
by trading down getting a first round pick. The Cleveland
brown signaled by the second pick of the draft, like
the Rams did later in the first round by getting
a first round pick, we're getting our quarterback next year.
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So the Browns told you, we're not in the quarterback
this year. That's why we're getting a first round pick.
So they drafted Dylan Gabriel earlier than anybody thought they would.
Andrew Berry's Mark Champ why because they thought Jimmy Haslam,
if Shador kept sliding, would butt his nose and then
go take him. So they thought drafting Dylan Gabriel would
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take care of the backup and it didn't because as
Haslam by the fifth round said, we got to take him.
So Haslam loved Johnny Manziel, Haslam loved Deshan Watson.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Maybe he's decided, is that back. The counter to that is, well,
why did you trade a fifth round pick for Kenny
Pickett after knowing an interview in Shador why'd you just
signed Joe Flacco after knowing you.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Can get Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski didn't want to
get into the Chador circus Haslam, so they did all
the work to not get into it, and then Haslam said,
draft him.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Remember, how do you think Haslam will say?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Film love Baker, he loved Johnny Manziel, he loved Desjeon.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
He wants a star in quarter.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
We need to get Vegas to set a line for
us over under half a start this season for shador.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Oh over by an easy beat?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Well, what if it was one and a half over
under one?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I would go over. First of all, he was the
most underdrafted guy in.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
The draft, well depending on I mean again.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I did?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I think we can acknowledge that if there was any
player in the draft that probably went a couple of
rounds later that he showed it, should do it.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I liked him. Final three is my Jets Colin, who
took an offensive tackle with the seventh overall pick. I
thought the Jets had a solid draft. They asked me
for winners losers. I didn't put the Jets in that group,
but they're close. However, with the selection, the Jets became
the first team in twenty five years to select four
first round offensive linemen in a six year span. I
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love their The last team's doing so with the Lions
and Seahawks. One of those guys not on the roster
McKay Beckton. He just won a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I had no problem with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I thought the jets first two picks were great and
I by the way, Fashanu looks good. Vera Elijah Vera
Tucker is good when he's healthy. People like Membu Beckton
was a miss. But you know you're not going to
go four for four. It's like it's hard. This draft
stuff is hard.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, I mean a problem, of course, is why get
excited when they don't.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Have a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
You know, by the way, they didn't draft a quarterback.
It's like Justin Fields show. They've given him the reins.
He's their guy. Yes, that's a bit of a surprise. Now,
well again, it's a bad quarterback class. I mean, the
Dolphins have Tua and they directed Quen youwers. You don't
think the Jets want to kick the tires on Quinn youwrs?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Well, two ls who gets hurt a lot Justin Fields
a bigger, stronger athlete.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I didn't have a problem with.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The jetstra I didn't.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I didn't hate it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I will say there's some momentum that they could win
seven or eight games, But the question is do you
even want to because you need a quarterback next year?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You know, It's like, so I don't know you and
I disagree with NBA physicality.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I am for it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
No, Okay, we could debate it second hour if you
want to, third hour as well.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
You know, uh shmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I was talking to start the show about the celebrity
quarterback thing, the t bow to the Jets. Mark Sanchez
ha said it publicly, it was a disaster. Belichick moved
off Cam Newton the minute they made a choice for
Mac Jones. They're like, okay, you would think they would
keep Cam as a back. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
We're not going to have Cam Newton's a backup. There
are certain you don't want a celebrity quarterback to begin
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with coming out of college, but you don't want a
celebrity backup quarterback. So a great example of this one
of the best GMS in the league is John Snyder
of Seattle. So they could have taken Jador Sanders, and
they took Jalen Milroe. Now, Sanders to me is much
more ready to play now. But you already have Sam Darnold.
So look at what the Seahawks did. One of the
best gms in the league. They could have taken Sanders,
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who is much more ready to play now, and they
took Jalen Milrow. Why no, noise parents not involved, not
ready to play classic one to two year developmental quarterback. Also,
I was told over the weekend the Seahawks will use
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him because he does provide something that a backup quarterback
usually doesn't, which is he may be the best back.
He may be the best athlete on the roster. So
I've been told John Snyder and the Seahawks and MacDonald
the coach, they want to put him in six seven,
eight plays a game because he's such a spectacular Lamar
Jackson level athlete. But this is a class example of
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a general manager who could have taken both and he
is one of the best GMS. Said, I'm going to
take Milroll, even though Milroe to me is much more
of a project than Shadur. But when your dad is
saying during the Super Bowl, there are terms that we
will dictate, you didn't get that with him. When the
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quarterback is sandbagging interviews which came out during and after
the draft, mill Row didn't do that. So I thought
that pick was a great example of why Shadour dropped.
Shadour is a starter. I think in the NFL would
be a better starter than Milroll. But once you don't
get picked by about the thirty eighth pick, like top
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of the second, you are view dude as a prospect
and initially you're a backup, and people didn't want the
backup stuff and the noise that came with Shadur. Now
he was super mature when he talked finally about being
drafted by that cruel prank phone call. Shoulder was great,
(32:20):
But I thought, you know, you start looking at Dylan Gabriel.
That's a backup. Will Howard, that's a backup. I love
Kyle McCord Philadelphia Eagles. He's backing up. He's not playing much.
So once you get once you get to about thirty eight,
thirty ninth pick in tangibles become big because now You're
(32:43):
like the third most important part of the quarterback room, right,
So I I you know, and now I think it
should have gone cam Ward Shadoor, Sanders, Jackson Dart. But
for the record, one year ago, one year ago, you
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guys were all telling me in your mock drafts that
Quinn yours was a first round pick.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
And who didn't buy it?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
One year ago today on the way too early twenty
twenty five mock drafts, who was the number one quarterback,
the last guy, the last quarterback taken? So stuff happens
two years ago. A quarterback that Jmack during the season
love Sam Howe, and a lot of people love Sam Howell.
Two years ago he still does. Sam Howe was like
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he's going to be the sleeper. Watch Sam Howe top
of the second. Sam how went in the fifth. So
I think the Shadeur thing got really hot early in
the season and nobody just wanted to be honest and
go because he's dion Son, he's kind.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Of a beef prospect.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And then when the circus and the sandbagging and dad,
that's where teams were like out of backup. Now Cleveland's
got so many quarterbacks, they got like six backups and
Cleveland Johnny Manzel, Baker Mayfield, Deshaun Watson. They're in the
circus business, like like I mean, Jimmy Haslam. Their quarterback
situations always a circus. I mean it Sircu Sloya just
(34:15):
travels around the country.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
But so they go.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Here's Mike McDonald by the way, on the Jaylen Milroe pick.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Jalon's a quarterback through and through.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
He's going to be trained to play quarterback for us,
and when he's in there, he's going to be playing quarterback.
So but the athleticism is going to come to life,
you know, when he's on, when he's on the field,
and that's how it's gonna help us.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I did think, by the way, the best draft of
the weekend, I thought was Seattle's. I thought they got
three starters. They got Damien Martinez, are running back out
of the Miami Hurricanes in the seventh round. I could
not believe he was available. I thought their draft crushed.
They got arguably the best interior alignment, the second best safety,
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a top tight end Jylen Milroe, a d tackle from
Notre Dame that will absolutely be a rotational player, a
wide receiver that I didn't watch much at Colorado State,
but all the draft gurus loved and I can't believe
they got Damien Martinez in the seventh round. Throw in
Sam Darnold as a pickup in free agency. Seattle had
a very very good offseason. I thought this kid, I mean,
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I don't know what steel of the draft is. I
think there were several of them shaders the steel of
the draft. But to get this kid in the seven
he I watched them play a lot. He's an NFL
running back. He may be a two, but he's an
NFL running back. I thought Seattle had and I said
this three years ago. I thought John Snyders had some
really good drafts. He is a really sharp guy. We
(35:42):
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my mind on this relationship.
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Speaker 1 (37:08):
I always thought this whole Belichick and the twenty four
year old girlfriend Jordan Hudson was a little odd, especially
on the college campus, you know, But I was watching
he interviewed Belichick doesn't let anybody speak for him, accept
now as girlfriend. So there's some personal growth that's admirable.
But he was doing a CBS interview wearing his old
Navy hoodie, not old Navy, but old Navy hoodie. And
(37:33):
watch what happens when his girlfriend shuts down the reporter.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
You have Jordan right over there. Everybody in the world
seems to be following this relationship. They've got an opinion
about your private life. He's got nothing to do with them,
but they're invested in it. How do you deal with that?
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Never been too worried about what everybody else thanks, just
to try to do what I feel like is that's
for me and what's right?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
How did you guys meet?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Not talking about this though now it was her onto
Cincinnati moment. I've got to be honest. She's his PR director,
She's Bill's influencer, which he didn't need in the NFL,
but he actually do in college. I thought This was
(38:19):
kind of a cringey thing. But she is multiple things
for Bill, assistant girlfriend, social media producer, PR handler. She
fills a lot of roles and people are kind of
uncomfortable with it. And I mean, sometimes in life you
don't have to wear a headset to call plays. She's
(38:41):
calling plays for Bill, which he didn't need in the NFL,
but he actually does in college football where players now
select you. So she's out there as his PR and
social influencer saying Bill, that doesn't play, don't talk about that.
Do talk about this now. If she starts to break
(39:02):
down offense on the whiteboard next week, I'll step in
and change my opinion. But as I watched this interview,
I thought, oh, I've watched interviews like this. CEOs have
people like Jordan Hudson. You know, presidents, politicians, senators, governors,
media execs, they all have people like Jordan Hudson. She's
(39:24):
taken the role seriously. I mean again, I thought it
was weird. I didn't know what to make of it.
But when I watched that interview, I'm like, oh, I've
seen that before from PR directors. When I do interviews,
I don't do many, but once a year. I'll be
doing an interview, there's always a PR person sitting next
to me, and occasionally they step in and go, yeah,
we're not going to talk about, you know, Colin's contract
(39:46):
or something. So I kind of watched it and I
was kind of impressed, maybe because I've seen it before.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
From Cringey to Crucial. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
It didn't bother me. It was kind of professional and again,
didn't need this in the pros.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
If you don't like the.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Age difference, they're two consenting adults. Whatever, okay, whatever, But
I've seen that before from professionals in PR. Here's the
edit thing during the at and Colin right wrong, top
of the hour. One of the things that came out
(40:23):
this weekend was that the Giants had a really bad
interview with Shador Sanders. Todd McShay came out now. Brian
Daball said, it was a great interview. Just to give
your heads up on how this works. I was talking
to a general manager in the league. No coach is
ever going to publicly bad mouth a college coach, especially
(40:46):
a popular one, because he's got to go back to
that campus for the next ten years to look at
players and scout players. So the day Bolls story came
out with multiple sources that it was not a good interview,
which is surprising because that's one of the teams that actually,
in a year that not many teams were looking for
starting quarterbacks, the Giants were one of them. So but
(41:10):
you know, Dave boll Is saying, you know, I went
very very well. I can tell you in my years
of doing this, I have talked to coaches who feel
they've been completely lied to and hosed by college programs,
and you just swallow it because you got to go
back to that campus the next year, and you don't
want to sever the relationship and have an enemy at
(41:32):
a program like a Colorado that increasingly has NFL players.
So that's just one of those things. Because this is
something I was talking about with somebody. I said, what
do you make of this? And the reaction he goes,
we nobody's going a bad mouth. You're going to go
to Colorado's practice next year. You want to be welcomed.
They don't have to let everybody in. So there you go.
Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, next hour. The J McK and
(41:55):
I were at odds earlier in the show because I
am for all this physical NBA play. I think it's
much better TV. I think if you watch the reaction
of the crowds. I mean, there's an old saying that
if I told you right now, hey you guys. Max
Kellerman used to say this, we could be watching the
(42:17):
super Bowl. But if I told you, hey, you guys,
two guys are in a fistfight in the hallway, everybody
would leave the TV and go watch the fight. Physicality
sells people, like so when you're watching Lebron and Ant
bang on each you're.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Like, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
And you don't have to like it, but you cannot
turn the channel. It is gripping television. And the ratings
are indicating that this tough, physical basketball. The crowds are
just inflamed with it, and the audience the ratings are good.
So now become problematic with twelve seconds to go in
a bump.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
It does.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
But I'll say this, it's better basketball. It's more fun.
I'd rather have guys playing defense. I'd rather go guys
care I'd rather guys dive on the floor than Tuesday
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Wherever you may be and however you may be listening
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We have plenty of both well.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Jmack.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's funny. I have said this for a long time.
I've been saying this for about a decade. You never
get lied to.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
More in our.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Business than a month before the NFL Draft. I've said
that one hundred times. You get so much misinformation fed
to you, as mel kiper a month before the NFL Draft.
So a lot of stories we start with us. As
Shader Sanders was sliding. Suddenly stories started to pop out
(01:20):
from Justina Anderson, Todd mcshae a Jonathan Jones, NFL insider
for CBS. Stuff that wasn't out there as much pre draft.
I mean, we knew that legendary draft room. We could
see that was a bit cringe. But when people were
starting to explain, well what happened, well, stories started coming
(01:40):
out that he sandbagged certain interviews or was brash. Bruce
Feldman wrote an article that I read he not only
didn't compete at the Senior Bowl or NFL scouting Combine,
a former NFL quarterback coach. Feldman spoke was Sunday morning,
said not surprising. The intel I was getting on Sanders
(02:00):
was shocking. He had no self awareness? So why did
he drop? Am I surprised?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Shocked?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Actually I would have taken him if I was the Steelers.
But between his dad Dion, who has many friends in
the media, saying during the Super Bowl, on multiple interviews,
we will dictate terms, we will not play for certain teams,
and then between Sanders should do or sandbagging interviews, that
probably explains it.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So I'll tell you after the show.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Friday, before Round two, I talked to two different times
an executive in the league asking questions, what do you
think of go he in. This executive said to me,
he said, if he doesn't go in the first six
to eight picks at the top of the second round,
then people view him as a backup. And I and
(02:48):
I'll quote it here, I'm not sure how many teams
want that circus in the building as a backup. Remember
Tim Tebow, celebrity backup a mess in New York. Bill
Belichick made a decision once Mac Jones beat him out
in New England.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Remember they let Cam go.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback, especially when Dion the
Dad waited until mid to late March to say, okay,
now anybody can draft my son. So now, was I surprised? Yes,
Pittsburgh didn't have a quarterback in a division with Joe
Burrow and Lamar Jackson. I mean, I don't know who
their quarterback is. But Daniel Jeremiah, a former three time
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scout on the NFL Network, has been a very interesting point.
Jeremiah is really good at what he does. He was
quoted as saying that the one quarterback that he thought
was similar to Shador Sanders was Kenny Pickett. And what
Daniel Jeremiah said, well, they did Kenny Pickett, and they
got burned. And they may have looked at it and said, yeah,
(03:52):
we've done that kind.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Of quarterback before.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Not a big arm moves, Okay, okay, decent numbers. We
got pass on that, and Pittsburgh did. Remember, Shador Sanders
also said this words matter. People listen. He said this
at the NFL combine. Shadeur said, quote, if you ain't
trying to change the franchise the culture, don't get me.
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Teams listened. They didn't get him. So the league sent
out a very clear message. Cam Ward was indisputably the
best prospect and maybe close to an A prospect, but
everybody else was a B.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
In a C prospect.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And in life, if you're not an A, then you
have to get the intangibles right right, you're intangibles. For
Dak Prescott, Dak's never thrown an A ball, but he
was an A plus plus with intangibles. That brought Purty
small not a great app A plus plus with intangibles.
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People are telling you they didn't like some of Shador's intangibles. Remember,
March in April. NFL doesn't know you anything. March in April.
Our job is interview months and in February and early March,
Dad Dion was saying will set terms. There are teams
he won't play for. So I don't think this is
all on shuduor but you know, somebody made a point
(05:14):
this morning in our staff meeting. It's almost like you're
a young actor and you'd only ever been in your
dad's movies, and then you interviewed with some other directors
to finally not be in one of your dad's movies,
and you kind of lack self awareness and turn some
people off. So when I hear he's sand bagged interviews
(05:36):
or was not a professional from people I trust, that
goes a long way and explaining it. And I believe
I said this years ago about backup quarterbacks. I said
this more than once. A perfect backup quarterback is a
guy that could go to the local mall, put sunglasses
in a baseball hat on walk through the mall and
nobody would bother him, nobody would recognize him. Your starting
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quarterback in the NFL is going to be a star,
right All starting quarterbacks in their towns are stars. A
backup nobody wants a celebrity, and so that's the downside.
I don't blame only shoulder. But when you hear he's
sandbag interviews, that's what Dad did. Dion sandbag interviews legendarily
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sandbagged interviews. Bragged about sandbagging interviews. But Dion was an
a plus plus plus prospect, the best corner of all time.
Everybody knew going into this draft that Shure wasn't a
great arm guy. I would have drafted him, not a
mobile guy. I would have drafted him. I was shocked
by it, and I was told be very if he
doesn't go in the first six to eight picks in
the top of the second round. People are telling you
(06:39):
they see him as a backup. Peter Schrager used to
work here, now works at ESPN also brought up an
interesting point. Dion has worked for so many media outlets
and has so many friends in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You know, nobody wanted to give him the truth.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Your son's okay, And then once the noise, noise scares
a lot of teams, especially at one bosition. The discussions
are always different about quarterbacks than non quarterbacks. When I
talked to NFL people, we always talk about toughness. We
talk about productivity and speed and vertical When you talk
about quarterbacks. It's leadership. Will guys follow them over a hill?
(07:14):
Is he a foxhole guy? The conversation changes, so and
I got a lot of different thoughts on this. We're
actually defend shad Or on something that I thought he
did a really good job on. But Cleveland drafted him.
There are those that believed that the GM and the
coach didn't want to draft him, they'd already drafted a quarterback,
and Jimmy Haslam, the owner, stepped in like he did
with Deshaun Watson. Needless, regardless, here's Andrew Berry on the pick.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Once it got to a point where it felt like
it was at, you know, a pretty steep discount, we
just felt like, hey, especially relative to the alternative ways
that we could use the selection, this made the most sense.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
All right, More on that in a bit.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Their reaction was stoic, to be honest, not the most
excited looking draft room, to be honest. Okay, so the
Lakers are in big trouble. They pushed all their chips
in against Minnesota. For the first time an NBA playoff history,
a team played only five players in an entire half.
They never subbed. They called the death lineup and eventually
(08:13):
it was for them. Meanwhile, Minnesota a deeper, bigger roster
with far more dexterity, far more options. The Lakers, JJ
Reddick basically told you our roster has limitations. There's an
old thing in the NBA in the playoffs that you
play eight guys, but you trust seven. JJ Reddick played
five guys and trusted four, and they almost pulled it off.
(08:37):
But did you notice that Lebron looked tired by the end.
He didn't score in the fourth quarter, and Luca looked
tired at the end, never been in the world's best shape.
And here was Aunt Edwards once again. If you go
look at fourth quarter numbers in this series, Luca against
(08:58):
Aunt Edwards, Minnesota Timberwolves, without question, points, assists, rebounding, field
goal percentage. The best player in the fourth quarter in
this series has consistently been Aunt Edwards. That's how you
win a playoffs series and quickly maturing, quickly defining basketball player.
(09:20):
So the t Wolves are deeper and Edwards is the
best player. But I think more than anything, remember when
the Lakers made that trade, the Luca thing and Mark
Williams a center. Remember that whole deal, Mark Williams. They
were going to get a Mark Williams, the center who'd
been injured, but he was a definitive NBA big, big,
wide body shot blocker, and then it got canceled because
(09:42):
team doctors wouldn't give it a pass. In LA Well,
JJ Reddick was telling you, yeah, I wasn't part of
that decision because he won't play Jackson Hayes. And you're
not beating Minnesota without some bigs. I mean, Julius Randall,
who's never been good in the playoffs, is having a
tremendous series on three pointers. And so why Randall's a big,
He's getting good looks and so you know, JJ Reddick's
(10:04):
telling you this roster needs tweaking. I'm playing five, I
may play I may trust four. And here was JJ after.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
We've certainly played well enough to win, and we gave
the effort to win, and you know, the not a
planned thing to play five guys in the entire second half.
We asked him at the beginning of the fourth quarter,
told them we had two extra timeouts. You know, if
you need to sub let us know, those guys gave
gave a lot. I think once you've kind of made
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that decision, and you know, and that they all are
in you just got to trust them.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Aunt Edwards led the NBA this year in clutch regular
season points. Minnesota as a basketball team was in all
sorts of games like this. They led the NBA in
clutch games, meaning close, tight, hard fought games. That's what
the te Wolves did all regular season. They were built
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for it. In Aunt Edwards, whose three point shot improved dramatically.
He was built for it. They now have a three
to one series lead. They'll be well rested. Will the
Lakers will be as well. The next game is Wednesday,
and here's Ant.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I'm just trying to take advantage of every opportunity. I mean,
because you know, I've been dreaming of this all my life,
whether it was football or basketball. So just being in
these situations and now it's going against Brunn and Luca.
Luca probably the best player in the game, young player
in the game, and Brun is the best player leaving
the game. So just trying to, you know, prove I
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belong and tell all my haters and people who criticize
me that I'm better than they think.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Ant is officially the best young player in the game.
Did you see him battling Lebron. He's like I got Lebron.
Did you see that wrestling match? You're not getting that
from Luke on the defensive end. Offense runs the league.
I'm not denying that, but look at Ant's fourth quarter numbers.
His energy is through the roof. Not just his points,
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but his field goal percentage. Look at Luca's field goal percentage.
Guys get tired. Shots are flat. So if you want
one of the things that made Jordan, we only showed
Jordan's offensive highlights. What made Michael Jordan great was his
relentless defense along with his relentless offense and clutch play
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in the fourth core Michael's energy. You could go to
quadruple overtime. Michael's energy, even when he was sick the
Utah games was just better than other players. Look at
Ant's fourth quarters. That is young inimpeccable shape. Because Ant
previously first couple of years he would wear down Layton games.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
He does it anymore. He picks his spots.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
He is putting up forty two percent three point in
the fourth and you're pett in your defender on him.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So he has arrived.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
He has got the argument to me as the best
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Speaker 1 (13:32):
Not kind of really a mean thing happened, sort of
cruel that Shador Sanders apparently got pranked called during the draft.
They found out who it was. It was Jack's Olbrich.
His dad's a coach for the Atlanta Falcons. He somehow
got the number. And it's really dumb. And young men
do really dumb things every weekend in this country, fight
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at bars, drive too fast, and get hurt. Seventeen to
twenty four year old men, according to FBI data, commit
the most crime or frontal lobes. Not fully developed. Young
men do dumb stuff. And I have six kids in
my life and they've all done something dumb. And I
did things that were dumber, maybe not as this dumb,
but I did dumb stuff too. I don't like it.
It's cruel. It's not what you should do. And the
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kid did call Shadur and apologized. But to watch the
media's reaction, they're more bothered by this than other actions
that happen all the time in this league that deserve
more criticism. The kid did something really dumb and then
called Shahdour and apologized. Here's the thing, when these kind
of moments happen in life, and this happened to Shaduur,
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I'm often captivated by how people handle it. And did
anybody watch how Shadeur Sanders handled it. It was really impressive.
He said, it's okay, everybody makes mistakes. Wow, that's really adult.
My members, older members of the media are wrecked by
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it and deeply bothered that he fell in the drag
left He wasn't he kept the thing the thing. He's
not gonna hold a grudge, and you'll find that as
a habit among winners in life generally, they're not grudge holders.
They focus on what matters. Shador Sanders came out when
somebody played a really cruel joke, unacceptable, and he said
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it's okay, it's okay, people make mistakes. That is an
incredibly impressive reaction, and as he dropped in the draft,
here's what he said about going to Cleveland.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
I know I'm gonna fit in perfectly. I feel like
it's first getting in, showing the respect to events, showing them, uh,
you know, I'm ready to work. So did coaches and
have them understand, you know, I'm here ready to work today,
could actually understand the real me. That's what I'm truly
thankful to have, is the opportunity for people to actually
see the real me and not be able to receive,
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you know, stuff that could be true or not. That's
what I'm Uh'm most excited about being in a good and.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Wow, I mean Aaron Rodgers dropped a few draft picks,
was bitter. Shaduur Sanders dropped to the fifth round and
he's like, I can't wait to get into the building,
show respect to the veterans. He gets pranked. He could
have had a multitude of reactions. He's like a kid
made a mistake. We're all gonna be okay. People make mistakes.
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That makes me want to root for Shadur Sanders. You
guys can throw tizzy fits reacting to the dropping in
the draft. By the way, Kyle McCord dropped. He went
later than I thought, and he went to the Philadelphia Eagles.
And by the way, Will Howard he went really late too,
he went to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like this idea that
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going high in the draft and to really bad franchises
is always the answer. The truth is, Joe Flackel will
probably win that Brown's job. My guess is Shaduur Sanders
easily because he was underdrafted. He will easily win the
backup role over Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett easily. And
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then by Thanksgiving, I'm gonna make a bet Shador Sanders
is going to play and be the starting quarterback. But
I was really impressed as everybody was freaking out. Maybe
it's because I've had so many kids in my life.
The kids do dumb stuff. Young boys do really dumb stuff.
And I didn't like it at all, and it made
me mad and I thought it was cruel. But how
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Shadeuor handled it told me, Okay, that's the kind of compartmentalization,
attitude and maturity you get from veteran quarterbacks that flourish.
They don't pout, they're not punitive, they don't hold a grudge. Hey,
everybody makes mistakes. It is that kind of even temperament
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that blew me away. I mean, I'm sitting there thinking,
if my kid was a quarterback and somebody did this
to my kid, I'd be really hurt, and maybe Shdoer was.
But that reaction A plus plus. He may have a
B arm and a B minus mobility, but that temperament
in that moment A plus plus. J mcklin News, Turn.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
On the news.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
This is the herd Line news. I were starting in
the NBA where, oh my gosh, the Knixt Piston series
continues to be magnificent. Carl Anthony Townsend the hero Sunday
with two clutch shots in the final minute, and then
of course there was this scrum and Tim Hardaway kind
of sort of got fouled by Josh Heart. There no call,
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much to the chagrin of JB. Bickerstaff and the Pistons staff.
They were just irate after the game.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Go back and look at the film. The guy leaves
his feet. There's contact on Tim Hardaway's jump shot. You know,
I don't know any other way around it. There's contact
on his jump shot. The guy leaves his feet he's
at Timmy's mercy and I repeat, there's contact doing his
jump shut.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Can I throw this out? Can I throw this out?
So it is it was. I thought Detroit out played them.
I thought Detroit was the better team, and then they
didn't get the call. The league acknowledge they missed it.
But we all love physical play because it's just more intense.
I mean watching Lebron Edwards. The ratings are proving the
audience likes this. What did the audience say no to
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the All Star Game where.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Nobody plays defense?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
People don't watch the regular season because people don't play
this kind of defense. People are reacting. The arenas love it.
People are into it. The downside the letting things go
is that that doesn't change the outcome.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It just changes is the score.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But when you get to the last minute to minute
and a half of a game, allowing that kind of
physicality can in real time change the outcome.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So officials have been told clearly by the league, let.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Them play bad strategy.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Well, no it's not.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
It's much better ratings. Bottom line, in our the games
are close bottom. In our business, the strategy that gets
the numbers the best strategy. The ratings are great well,
and the games are close and the physicality is amazing.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It's working. It's hard to turn off.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Ratings have been up since Luca joined Lebron in LA
but the series, the games have been magnificent down to
the wire. But like when you're not calling stuff, Colin,
that leads to bad outcomes, like the Pistons got screwed.
I'm a next fan. That's fuckers got screwed, Jamie Daniels
sticking his leg out.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Like, but these games are getting are more interesting because
they're allowing physical playing.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Do you think Piston's nicks is visually appealing when there's
battles and scrums when Anthony Edwards is shoving Lebron at
two hands.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yep, that's just not the crowds reacting to it.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, the crowd loves it.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, they're watching like Gladiator three D guys killing each other.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
How that movie do in the theater?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Gladiare one excellent, gladiair two not.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Some people like physical play, it's not disputable. Watch the
crowd react to Aunt Lebron banging. Watch the crowd they stand,
they're into it. The problem is with a minute left,
you do have to call fouls with physicality because it
changes the final score.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So that's the tough part. Like if you're not refereeing
one way for eighty games and then you change it
for seven and then you change it back for the
final minute, It's like, what are we doing? Needs a consistency?
Now they got to pick one, pick a lane when
we want to let them play or do the physical
will they are clearly letting them play, by the way,
Clippers Nuggets, multiple arguments laid in games, so you're seeing
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what's happening through all these.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Playoffkings that are close. It always comes down to a call,
and it always the losing team is always like you're
not calling enough. But the truth is the physicality. Watch
the ratings, Watch the reaction of the players, watch the crowd.
The bottom line has always been this. It's like people
that defend the toush push. It's obviously esthetic, not not
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aesthetically pleasing. But why Philadelphia likes it is it because
it defines them through toughness and physicality. We like our
athletes to be tough. We like Michael Jordan because he's tough.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It is a tough one. With the ratings game, NFL
Draft ratings were massive because Shador Sanders slid call like controversy.
So like I I just again, remember how the in
the NCAA tournament you hate upsets early because you want
the best teams playing at the end. Well, guess what
I want the best teams playing in the NBA finals.
If we're gonna get like a Minnesota Timberwolves slugging it
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out with the Calves because they're physical teams, that's a
huge loss for the NBA. The NBA would much prefer
the Lakers advancing.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
So we argued about this, the NBA got the bag.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Well, obviously, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
The ratings don't matter. That's somebody else's yes.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Well, wa, do the ratings matter or not? You just
say they're up.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I'm saying overall, the league wants more people watching basketball,
and the playoff ratings have been great, but they haven't
just been great like the regular season for the Lakers.
They've been great for everybody. So the point is physicality
is working. The league now got the bag. They got
the money from the net work. Now it's up to
the networks to make money on it. That's not their problem.
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I sell my house, what you do with it? Paint purple?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I don't care. I'm out of it. I got my money.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So you could say it's better for the league at
the Lakers play, but they don't have a star yet.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
They don't have a next star domestically.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Ant's it so and I think privately, Adam Silber, if
you asked him, would say, I.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Would rather see our neck. We don't have a domestic
star in this league.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
We've seen Lebron play a million times in the playoffs.
I think Minnesota winning privately, now that the NBA has
got its contract, they got their money. They want they
want to find and promote a domestic star. And Ant
is good looking, likable guy, unbelievably dynamic.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
He does have some off court issues that he's talked
about and fans have gotten on his case about. Not great.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
He's twenty three.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Luca and Lebron, Come on, Coley, you want to see
them against Steph Curry next round. Also Rockets. We'll see
if they rough up Curry again tonight. Next story, back
to the NFL. The Steelers. You know they did draft
a quarterback Will Howard in the sixth round. However, they're
waiting for Aaron. Rodgers owner Art Rooney said Friday, Rodgers
does want to come to Pittsburgh and there could be
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official word soon. However, Mike Tomlin did not want to
put a time frame on Aaron Rodgers' decision.
Speaker 9 (24:20):
I'm not going to forecast the hips and the wins
regarding not only them, but any potential free agent. Just
rest assured that we've had really productive talks with him
and he personally, I've enjoyed having really productive talk with him.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
They getting to know him.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, I don't know what they're doing with their quarterback.
I'm guessing they've got some assurances from Aaron. If you
don't have assurances from Aaron in a division with Burrow
and Lamar, that's four games a year, in a conference
with Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, c J Stroud, Justin Herbert,
I don't know what you're doing. So my take it
there has to be something going on because Will Howard's
a backup in the NFL at best.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, he's a backup.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
So I would have drafted Shadeur Sanders unless I had
a deal. So we talked about this before the draft.
I think Aaron Rodgers was waiting. What if Pittsburgh told Aaron, listen,
we're going to draft a backup. But we're not going
to draft. We're not going to draft a starter. You'll
know after the draft that we have clearly drafted a backup.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Will Howard is seen as a backup. And that's what
I think he is.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
In a pros schaudure, even if he went in the
fourth round, you could argue Aaron could go, well, that's
going to be your starter at some point. If I
have a bad game, people want should do her. So
I think Aaron smartly said, Okay, I'll come, but I'm
gonna watch the draft.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I'm not gonna be Kirk Cousins here.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And my guess is Aaron will sign with Pittsburgh now,
because how could you not draft anybody but Will Howard
if you don't have a quarterback in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So those two teams in the division have Burrough set,
Lamar set. The Browns have five quarterbacks on the roster.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
The door's gonna win that job.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
When before Thanksgiving, we can make that a friendly wi.
I wouldn't say he's not even to start a game
this season.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Oh, I'll bet you on that.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Kenny Pickett Colin, what message did they said taking Dylan
Gabriel over him okay.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So my friend John Middlecoff had a theory is that
the Browns didn't want to get into the Shadeur Sanders
sweepstakes because they showed their hand in the first round
by trading down getting a first round pick. The Cleveland
brown signaled by the second pick of the draft, like
the Rams did later in the first round by getting
a first round pick, we're getting our quarterback next year.
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So the Browns told you, we're not in the quarterback
this year. That's why we're getting a first round pick.
So they drafted Dylan Gabriel earlier than anybody thought they would.
Andrew Berry's Mark Champ why because they thought Jimmy Haslam,
if Shador kept sliding, would butt his nose and then
go take him. So they thought drafting Dylan Gabriel would
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take care of the backup and it didn't because as
Haslam by the fifth round said, we got to take him.
So Haslam loved Johnny Manziel, Haslam loved Deshan Watson.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Maybe he's decided, is that back. The counter to that is, well,
why did you trade a fifth round pick for Kenny
Pickett after knowing an interview in Shador why'd you just
signed Joe Flacco after knowing you.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Can get Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski didn't want to
get into the Chador circus Haslam, so they did all
the work to not get into it, and then Haslam said,
draft him.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Remember, how do you think Haslam will say?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Film love Baker, he loved Johnny Manziel, he loved Desjeon.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
He wants a star in quarter.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
We need to get Vegas to set a line for
us over under half a start this season for shador.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Oh over by an easy beat?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Well, what if it was one and a half over
under one?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I would go over. First of all, he was the
most underdrafted guy in.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
The draft, well depending on I mean again.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I did?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I think we can acknowledge that if there was any
player in the draft that probably went a couple of
rounds later that he showed it, should do it.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I liked him. Final three is my Jets Colin, who
took an offensive tackle with the seventh overall pick. I
thought the Jets had a solid draft. They asked me
for winners losers. I didn't put the Jets in that group,
but they're close. However, with the selection, the Jets became
the first team in twenty five years to select four
first round offensive linemen in a six year span. I
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love their The last team's doing so with the Lions
and Seahawks. One of those guys not on the roster
McKay Beckton. He just won a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I had no problem with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I thought the jets first two picks were great and
I by the way, Fashanu looks good. Vera Elijah Vera
Tucker is good when he's healthy. People like Membu Beckton
was a miss. But you know you're not going to
go four for four. It's like it's hard. This draft
stuff is hard.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, I mean a problem, of course, is why get
excited when they don't.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Have a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
You know, by the way, they didn't draft a quarterback.
It's like Justin Fields show. They've given him the reins.
He's their guy. Yes, that's a bit of a surprise. Now,
well again, it's a bad quarterback class. I mean, the
Dolphins have Tua and they directed Quen youwers. You don't
think the Jets want to kick the tires on Quinn youwrs?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Well, two ls who gets hurt a lot Justin Fields
a bigger, stronger athlete.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I didn't have a problem with.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The jetstra I didn't.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I didn't hate it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I will say there's some momentum that they could win
seven or eight games, But the question is do you
even want to because you need a quarterback next year?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You know, It's like, so I don't know you and
I disagree with NBA physicality.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I am for it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
No, Okay, we could debate it second hour if you
want to, third hour as well.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
You know, uh shmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I was talking to start the show about the celebrity
quarterback thing, the t bow to the Jets. Mark Sanchez
ha said it publicly, it was a disaster. Belichick moved
off Cam Newton the minute they made a choice for
Mac Jones. They're like, okay, you would think they would
keep Cam as a back. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
We're not going to have Cam Newton's a backup. There
are certain you don't want a celebrity quarterback to begin
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with coming out of college, but you don't want a
celebrity backup quarterback. So a great example of this one
of the best GMS in the league is John Snyder
of Seattle. So they could have taken Jador Sanders, and
they took Jalen Milroe. Now, Sanders to me is much
more ready to play now. But you already have Sam Darnold.
So look at what the Seahawks did. One of the
best gms in the league. They could have taken Sanders,
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who is much more ready to play now, and they
took Jalen Milrow. Why no, noise parents not involved, not
ready to play classic one to two year developmental quarterback. Also,
I was told over the weekend the Seahawks will use
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him because he does provide something that a backup quarterback
usually doesn't, which is he may be the best back.
He may be the best athlete on the roster. So
I've been told John Snyder and the Seahawks and MacDonald
the coach, they want to put him in six seven,
eight plays a game because he's such a spectacular Lamar
Jackson level athlete. But this is a class example of
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a general manager who could have taken both and he
is one of the best GMS. Said, I'm going to
take Milroll, even though Milroe to me is much more
of a project than Shadur. But when your dad is
saying during the Super Bowl, there are terms that we
will dictate, you didn't get that with him. When the
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quarterback is sandbagging interviews which came out during and after
the draft, mill Row didn't do that. So I thought
that pick was a great example of why Shadour dropped.
Shadour is a starter. I think in the NFL would
be a better starter than Milroll. But once you don't
get picked by about the thirty eighth pick, like top
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of the second, you are view dude as a prospect
and initially you're a backup, and people didn't want the
backup stuff and the noise that came with Shadur. Now
he was super mature when he talked finally about being
drafted by that cruel prank phone call. Shoulder was great,
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But I thought, you know, you start looking at Dylan Gabriel.
That's a backup. Will Howard, that's a backup. I love
Kyle McCord Philadelphia Eagles. He's backing up. He's not playing much.
So once you get once you get to about thirty eight,
thirty ninth pick in tangibles become big because now You're
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like the third most important part of the quarterback room, right,
So I I you know, and now I think it
should have gone cam Ward Shadoor, Sanders, Jackson Dart. But
for the record, one year ago, one year ago, you
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guys were all telling me in your mock drafts that
Quinn yours was a first round pick.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
And who didn't buy it?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
One year ago today on the way too early twenty
twenty five mock drafts, who was the number one quarterback,
the last guy, the last quarterback taken? So stuff happens
two years ago. A quarterback that Jmack during the season
love Sam Howe, and a lot of people love Sam Howell.
Two years ago he still does. Sam Howe was like
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he's going to be the sleeper. Watch Sam Howe top
of the second. Sam how went in the fifth. So
I think the Shadeur thing got really hot early in
the season and nobody just wanted to be honest and
go because he's dion Son, he's kind.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Of a beef prospect.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And then when the circus and the sandbagging and dad,
that's where teams were like out of backup. Now Cleveland's
got so many quarterbacks, they got like six backups and
Cleveland Johnny Manzel, Baker Mayfield, Deshaun Watson. They're in the
circus business, like like I mean, Jimmy Haslam. Their quarterback
situations always a circus. I mean it Sircu Sloya just
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travels around the country.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
But so they go.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Here's Mike McDonald by the way, on the Jaylen Milroe pick.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Jalon's a quarterback through and through.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
He's going to be trained to play quarterback for us,
and when he's in there, he's going to be playing quarterback.
So but the athleticism is going to come to life,
you know, when he's on, when he's on the field,
and that's how it's gonna help us.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I did think, by the way, the best draft of
the weekend, I thought was Seattle's. I thought they got
three starters. They got Damien Martinez, are running back out
of the Miami Hurricanes in the seventh round. I could
not believe he was available. I thought their draft crushed.
They got arguably the best interior alignment, the second best safety,
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a top tight end Jylen Milroe, a d tackle from
Notre Dame that will absolutely be a rotational player, a
wide receiver that I didn't watch much at Colorado State,
but all the draft gurus loved and I can't believe
they got Damien Martinez in the seventh round. Throw in
Sam Darnold as a pickup in free agency. Seattle had
a very very good offseason. I thought this kid, I mean,
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I don't know what steel of the draft is. I
think there were several of them shaders the steel of
the draft. But to get this kid in the seven
he I watched them play a lot. He's an NFL
running back. He may be a two, but he's an
NFL running back. I thought Seattle had and I said
this three years ago. I thought John Snyders had some
really good drafts. He is a really sharp guy. We
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take a break, Bill Belichick's girlfriend. I think I've changed
my mind on this relationship.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
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I always thought this whole Belichick and the twenty four
year old girlfriend Jordan Hudson was a little odd, especially
on the college campus, you know, But I was watching
he interviewed Belichick doesn't let anybody speak for him, accept
now as girlfriend. So there's some personal growth that's admirable.
But he was doing a CBS interview wearing his old
Navy hoodie, not old Navy, but old Navy hoodie. And
(37:33):
watch what happens when his girlfriend shuts down the reporter.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
You have Jordan right over there. Everybody in the world
seems to be following this relationship. They've got an opinion
about your private life. He's got nothing to do with them,
but they're invested in it. How do you deal with that?
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Never been too worried about what everybody else thanks, just
to try to do what I feel like is that's
for me and what's right?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
How did you guys meet?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Not talking about this though now it was her onto
Cincinnati moment. I've got to be honest. She's his PR director,
She's Bill's influencer, which he didn't need in the NFL,
but he actually do in college. I thought This was
(38:19):
kind of a cringey thing. But she is multiple things
for Bill, assistant girlfriend, social media producer, PR handler. She
fills a lot of roles and people are kind of
uncomfortable with it. And I mean, sometimes in life you
don't have to wear a headset to call plays. She's
(38:41):
calling plays for Bill, which he didn't need in the NFL,
but he actually does in college football where players now
select you. So she's out there as his PR and
social influencer saying Bill, that doesn't play, don't talk about that.
Do talk about this now. If she starts to break
(39:02):
down offense on the whiteboard next week, I'll step in
and change my opinion. But as I watched this interview,
I thought, oh, I've watched interviews like this. CEOs have
people like Jordan Hudson. You know, presidents, politicians, senators, governors,
media execs, they all have people like Jordan Hudson. She's
(39:24):
taken the role seriously. I mean again, I thought it
was weird. I didn't know what to make of it.
But when I watched that interview, I'm like, oh, I've
seen that before from PR directors. When I do interviews,
I don't do many, but once a year. I'll be
doing an interview, there's always a PR person sitting next
to me, and occasionally they step in and go, yeah,
we're not going to talk about, you know, Colin's contract
(39:46):
or something. So I kind of watched it and I
was kind of impressed, maybe because I've seen it before.
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From Cringey to Crucial. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
It didn't bother me. It was kind of professional and again,
didn't need this in the pros.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
If you don't like the.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Age difference, they're two consenting adults. Whatever, okay, whatever, But
I've seen that before from professionals in PR. Here's the
edit thing during the at and Colin right wrong, top
of the hour. One of the things that came out
(40:23):
this weekend was that the Giants had a really bad
interview with Shador Sanders. Todd McShay came out now. Brian
Daball said, it was a great interview. Just to give
your heads up on how this works. I was talking
to a general manager in the league. No coach is
ever going to publicly bad mouth a college coach, especially
(40:46):
a popular one, because he's got to go back to
that campus for the next ten years to look at
players and scout players. So the day Bolls story came
out with multiple sources that it was not a good interview,
which is surprising because that's one of the teams that actually,
in a year that not many teams were looking for
starting quarterbacks, the Giants were one of them. So but
(41:10):
you know, Dave boll Is saying, you know, I went
very very well. I can tell you in my years
of doing this, I have talked to coaches who feel
they've been completely lied to and hosed by college programs,
and you just swallow it because you got to go
back to that campus the next year, and you don't
want to sever the relationship and have an enemy at
(41:32):
a program like a Colorado that increasingly has NFL players.
So that's just one of those things. Because this is
something I was talking about with somebody. I said, what
do you make of this? And the reaction he goes,
we nobody's going a bad mouth. You're going to go
to Colorado's practice next year. You want to be welcomed.
They don't have to let everybody in. So there you go.
Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, next hour. The J McK and
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I were at odds earlier in the show because I
am for all this physical NBA play. I think it's
much better TV. I think if you watch the reaction
of the crowds. I mean, there's an old saying that
if I told you right now, hey you guys. Max
Kellerman used to say this, we could be watching the
(42:17):
super Bowl. But if I told you, hey, you guys,
two guys are in a fistfight in the hallway, everybody
would leave the TV and go watch the fight. Physicality
sells people, like so when you're watching Lebron and Ant
bang on each you're.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Like, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
And you don't have to like it, but you cannot
turn the channel. It is gripping television. And the ratings
are indicating that this tough, physical basketball. The crowds are
just inflamed with it, and the audience the ratings are good.
So now become problematic with twelve seconds to go in
a bump.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
It does.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
But I'll say this, it's better basketball. It's more fun.
I'd rather have guys playing defense. I'd rather go guys
care I'd rather guys dive on the floor than Tuesday
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