May 30, 2025 • 42 mins
Jason McIntyre fills in for Colin after the Knicks extended their series against the Pacers following a game 5 win and JMac explains why he thinks New York can still win the series
He strongly defends Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts from recent criticism
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hello, and welcome to
The Herd. A beautiful Friday because the Knicks one last night. Baby,
It's me.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Jason McIntyre in on a Friday for traveling Colin Cowhard.
He's I don't know if I can say parts unknown.
I think he's gonna be posting on IG later. I'm
joined by Alex Curry. Alex, not only do we have
a great Thursday with the Knicks winning, we have a
Yankees Dodgers this weekend.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Kids. I love when you get a fit slave of games.
But you're the first person I thought about last night.
I was like, what an awesome Friday show. It's gonna
be Jamie's Nick's fight to live and see another day.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
I was excited.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I gotta say I'm excited. I'm going to a Yankees
Dodgers game. We have my first one was able to
secure some tickets. I can't really say that. I don't
mean everybody coming up to me.
Speaker 7 (01:12):
At the game.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Let them know where you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
By the way, I went to a Kendrick Lamar concert
last weekend with the Fam and there were some Herd.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Fans who were like, J Mack yeah, And I was like, well, okay,
he's a family friend.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
You obviously are closed. I won't reveal that stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
But anyways, life is good out here in La Life
is good if you're a Knicks fan.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Folks. We have a series once again. Nicks get the.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Win at home at the Garden last night, pretty convincing,
wire to wire. I don't want to overreact, but I
think they're actually back in the series. Okay, they dominated
last night. I don't think there was one tense moment
in the second half. I don't even know if it
got to single digits. I know there's gonna be a
lot of basic analysis out there today. Hey, the Pacers
didn't really try. They had Game six at home, so
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you could see they were lethargic. You have to watch
the game closely, guys, and the Knicks actually made some adjustments.
Tom Thibodeau, thank you for making changes. I mean, it's
the small things, like Tyrese Haliburton had an awful game,
and we'll get to him later, but it wasn't just
he played poorly or he wasn't locked in. The Knicks
made adjustments. Again, it's a small thing, but they picked
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him up full court. You know, as a guy who
plays in men's leagues, you got to pick up full court.
Point guards hate that Tyrese Haliburton struggled against the full
court pressure, only ended up taking seven shots. And the
Knicks defense was so good for the first time in
the entire series. Guys, the Knicks won the turnover battle. Yes,
they forced the Pacers into more turnovers than the Knicks committed,
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and it really helped the Knicks offense. Obviously, Jalen Brunson
was phenomenal, Carl Anthony Towns was excellent, and listen, I
think this is series back on a lot of people
are saying all the Pacers got it. I was mildly
surprised to see the Pacers are three and a half
point favorites for Game six Saturday night. But the biggest
change I saw was Jalen Brunson defensively. Jalen Brunton heard
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all your criticisms, heard all your Oh Haliburton's better, now,
yeah he's better.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
No, No, let's just take a deep breath.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
That was one game Jalen Brunson was locked in defensively.
Here he is after the game talking about the dub.
Speaker 8 (03:19):
I mean, I practicing missed the wall and so I
wasn't thinking I need to play better than him.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I was just thinking I need to help my team win.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
And I that's my minds every time on the court,
just helping my team.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
One, folks, I got a mind blowing sat for you.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So in games one through four, the Pacers picked on
Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Literally give me him, I want him in the pick
and roll, and they attacked him.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
According to some stats, the Pacers were sixty eight percent
from the field sixty eight percent when Brunson was the
primary defender in games one through four. So what happened
in game five Brunson fighting through screens, locked in, getting down.
Pacers shot three for fourteen with Brunson as the primary defender.
That's twenty one percent for you math majors out there.
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Just phenomenal performance at both ends from Brunson offensively carried
him carl ANTHONK Town's obviously was excellent, and specifically Brunson
went at Halliburton.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I don't know if you guys noticed. They started attacking.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Halliburton in the pick and roll and Halliburton struggled coming
off a one of the games that were they're calling
it one of the best performances ever where Halliburton at
thirty fifteen and ten with no turnovers. Haliburton had eight
points and you know, we'll go after him later. We'll
take some jabs at Haliburton later on. But here he
is after the game talking about his lack of intensity
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and the Pacers kind of getting rolled. We're a resilient group,
you know.
Speaker 9 (04:38):
We we always want to respond with things don't go well.
You know, after a game like that, we understand what
the stakes are and we understand the conversation.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Well, it will be around our group, but you know,
we're we're fine.
Speaker 10 (04:51):
We're fine.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
There's no need to panic, right, think.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
We're fine.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
We'll see a lot of people already like the Pacers
to win game six. I told you the spreads three
and a half. I do want to point out two things.
Number one, for the first time this year or last year.
The pressure is on Indiana. Okay, last year the Nicks
got injured in the series despite being up three to two.
Now the Pacers pressures on them, folks, and they have
not felt this pressure before. They've got to win this game.
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You don't want to have to go back to the garden.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
And for those that are saying, oh trust me, Jay,
Pacers weren't locked in.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
They didn't care. They were going home for Game six.
Look at the last round. Okay, they had to go
back to Cleveland on the road Game five, and they
smashed the Calves in a let's end the series.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
So I don't want to hear this.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They didn't lay down, or they laid down because they
had Game six. And the other point is so nine
years ago this weekend, I moved my family across the
country for this job here at Fox.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
It's been fun. Were having a blast.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
But something else happened nine years ago this week, and
that was Golden State lead trailing Oksee three to one.
You remember OKSE was up three to one. They go
to Golden State for Game five.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
They lose.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It was similar, not quite wire to wire, but Golden
State controlled that game so then they had Game six
in OKC.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
All right, do you guys remember this game nine years ago?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Klay Thompson Special hit eleven threes forty one points and
the Warriors erased the three to one deficit end up
winning in seven. My question to the Knicks, who is
Klay Thompson Saturday night in Indiana? Somebody's got to blow up?
We know what Bruns is gonna get his? Is it
going to be Bridges? Is it gonna be Karl Anthony
towns og Nnobi?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Are you gonna be the.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Guy that shows up? Someone has to erupt. They're gonna
need a volcanic performance from someone to take down the
pacer Saturday.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I like the Knicks in that one. All right, let's
shift topics and go to.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
My favorite team in the NBA, the Oklahoma City Thunder. Yes,
I know, Jay, you've been banging on them all season.
You've been calling SGA the free throw Merchant. Can you
put some respect on Okac's name? And I will, But
first I've got to give a quick shout out to
a former NBA player who I thought I saw one
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of the hottest takes I've seen on OKC, And that's
courtesy of Jeff t former Indiana Pacers point guard who
played in Minnesota and a.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Couple other stops.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
He has a podcast, and he went on raving about
SGA and the mid range and get this, saving the NBA.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
I think SBA saved the NBA. Oh, this is what
I'm saying. I'm not saying because how I perform, but
the way he play. He saved the NBA because the
NBA is a copycat league, and he perfected the mill
range game, right, so he brought back the ability to
better shoot meri range shots. I got crucified in Minnesota
for just wanting to shoot a marill range shot if
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it wasn't a three or ear layer for analytics, and
him being the MVP and his goal to shot is
a mill range shot.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
He literally just saved the NBA.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
All right, listen, I gotta give my guy's credit here.
A couple of producers sent me that yesterday. I was like, Damn,
that's a take.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I think.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I don't think it's complete and I'm not gonna give
Tigue all the credit. I think it's a phenomenal take.
I don't think he's totally accurate.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
And let me tell you why.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yes, SGA is killing in the mid range. He's totally dominant.
I saw some stats where he's shooting over fifty percent
in the mid range.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Now he's not quite saving the league.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I saw some stats Michael Jordan attempted like twelve hundred
or mid range shots or whatever it was in the nineties.
SGA's only like around four hundred. So it's not quite
what it was with MJ and even Kobe. But the
reason they can do the mid range with SGA is
because they play phenomenal defense. They're number one in defensive
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efficiency in the league by a mile. They're calling this
one of the best defensive teams in her generation. Well, guys,
if you can get stops and they can no denying it,
of course you can trade twos for threes. It's not
that big a deal.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You can't not play defense and then spam threes and
expect to win every game because you're gonna go cold
from three. I did look this up. The two best
three point shooting teams this year were Boston and Cleveland.
Guess what happened on them in the playoffs. Boston shot
sixty threes in a game. They went cold from three
against the next it happens, and we all know what
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happened to Cleveland. They got out shot from three. I
believe in every game against Talliburton, and all of a sudden,
you go cold from three. You don't have a CounterPunch.
So OKASE has won in the mid range game. Now,
an amazing stat for OKC is they're three point shooting
way down.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You're not gonna believe this.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So sixteen teams in the playoffs, OKAC is thirteenth in
three point shooting.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Ordinarily that's a death.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Now OKAC has been out shot from three in ten
of sixteen playoff games. Usually that's like, oh, they're getting bounced.
But because of the defense and the mid range game,
they're able to completely blow teams out. But we don't
see this a lot because nobody's playing defense in the
league anymore. So you guys know, I love the hey
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zig when everybody's zagging. So right now, in the NBA,
the analytics say, spam threes fire away. It's a math
equation and we've seen this before, right, So, Billy Bean
and moneyball in baseball, Okay, hey, we can't compete with
the big spenders, so we've got to find obscure stats
that matter and kind of build our line up that way.
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And they did that with the Oakland A's and they
had a lot of success. Another analogy, so YouTube comes
out and all their videos are horizontal because hey, we
want to look like TV. So what does TikTok do? Hey,
let's do vertical for the phone. So TikTok go's totally different.
At Boom TikTok.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Goes to the moon.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Well, guess who starts copying TikTok YouTube shorts, Instagram reels.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Now all Verdeo videos are vertical.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So will we see like Jeff tgue is saying, everybody
copy OKC and go to.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
The mid rage.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, I'm sure the Minnesota Timberwolves Anthony Edwards who let
the league in threes and only.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Got layups and dunks.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Is he gonna pivot and say I gotta work on
my mid range or all these NBA trainers who were
helping everybody work on threes. So are they gonna say
we got to get back to the mid range. I
don't necessarily think that's gonna happen. I do think there
is the world where other teams can copy, but you
gotta play good defense, like the Cabs would make a
lot of sense to play.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
They played great defense with Mobile and Allen.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But are they gonna say, Donovan Mitchell, let's get to.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
The mid range. I don't know that that's gonna happen.
So while I like the.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Take, I don't think this whole saving the NBA is
as one hundred percent spot on. I do think Okayc's
gonna be favored, obviously heavily against the Pacers or Nicks.
But I would wrap up by saying, we saw Okac
stop Anthony Edwards fairly easily, and you looked at it
and you're like, why didn't.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
The Lakers try that.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Let's just put up a picket fence right at the
foul line, say you're not getting to the lane. We're
not gonna let it happen. And he couldn't do that,
and Minnesota couldn't make any threes. So are we going
to see the Pacers or Nick say, hey, SGA, we're
gonna wall off the pate. No more minis for you, buddy.
Let's see what Jalen Williams, Je Dubb and Louke Dort.
Let's see what those guys can do from three? Because
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oh look the analytics say they're not hitting threes in
the playoffs, and I think that's what we're going to
see in the finals. And I don't think Okaye's gonna
waltz over the Knicks or Pacers, whoever it may be.
But SGA certainly is making people think and the hot
takes are flying about.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Saving the NBA.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So, Alex, we got a game six Saturday night. I
know you're excited. I know I'm fired up.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I gotta be honest, like I was all in on
the Knicks after they kind of blew through Boston and
then the start of this series, I was like, Okay,
maybe that Boston series was their finals and they just
kind of blew it out. But what impressed me most
about last night was listening to Carl Anthony Towns on
his postgame interview with Shaq and Charles, and they were
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asking him, you know, like, what's the conversation you guys
are having, like on the plane, privately, not in front
of everybody, and he goes, why not us like that
one game at a time, Why can't we do it?
Why can't we be the team that does it? And
you kind of saw that attitude last night.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Yeah, of they.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Played desperate and it worked. They outplayed the Pacers in
every part of the game totally. If they can do
that and win Game six in Indie tomorrow, anything is
possible in the game.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna call Josh.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Anything is possible in a game seven. But they all
have to show up, like Carl Anthony Talons has to
show up.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
No more dumb fouls.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Cat Let's did you hear him call him out? They
called him out on that last night?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Ye, Stan Van Gundy during the broadcast was it was amazing.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I think the next got a shot.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
They said, I'm betting them yet, but.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I think they got like after last night. Like so you're.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Saying there's a chance a little dubin Dummer all right?
Coming up next, Jalen Hurts. Can you believe he's getting crushed?
I can't believe it. They're saying he's the biggest weakness
on the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Let me just say, I totally just I'll tell you
that next here on the Herd.
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Speaker 3 (14:11):
App Back here on the Herd got Rachel Nichols coming
up to talk about the Knicks. Probably we'll get into
the free throw merchant as well. Listen, I gotta say,
if you guys watch the show yesterday, you know Coward
and I went at it. I think it was a
twelve round that felt like, you know, Foreman Tyson or
Foreman Holyfield. Sorry regarding Jalen Hurts, Okay, now I did.
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Before I moved out here to LA I did live
outside of Philly, but I don't really have a super
connection to the city. It was a suburban life.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But I like the.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Eagles that I pay attention to them, and for some reason,
the bashing of Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
It's just getting under my skin. Okay. I like, you know,
I like to defend underdogs.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I like to defend guys who I think are really
good that maybe the market is not up to speed
on and this pro football focus on website I go
to helps a lot with the gambling. They said that
the biggest weakness on the defending Super Bowl champion was
wait for it, the Super Bowl MVP. They said it
was the passing game that was the weakness of the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
So you know, it's not that hard.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
To look up some stats on the Pro Football Focused
website and you know, let me give you your SATs here.
This is the Super Bowl MVP last year. Passing, which
is the biggest weakness from the pocket.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Here's Jalen Hurts, you.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Know, second in completion percentage, third in yards per passing
yards per game, and then passer rating fifth. I think
that should be yards per tenp.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
But bottom line is, it's not like this is a
dink and dunk offense.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Jalen Hurts can beat you anyway deep down the field,
over the middle, scrambling. The best running quarterback in the league. Sorry,
Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts at better. He's got the Church push,
which is automatic. I don't get the bashing of Jalen Hurts,
and I think it all comes down to him being
drafted in the second round, which oh man, he's not
a first round pick, and it's stupid and goofy. And
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then there's the whole saga that happened at Alabama where
he gets benched in the National championship, replaced by Tua
Tua goes on. I mean, that's like that's historic stuff.
You never see that and he had to transfer. But
all Jalen Hurts has done is overcome everything. His height,
the benching at Alabama. Remember, he didn't come in as
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the starter in Philly. He had to win that job.
He had a awful and I'm talking. I think they
lost their first playoff game with thirty one nothing. He
wanted to bench him at halftime. I think me included.
All he's done is overcome everything. And now he's the
Super Bowl MVP, and they're still disrespecting him. Philadelphia catered
the offense to Jalen Hurts and it's working. And oh no, no,
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the rosters stacked. What do we play that game with
Joe Burrow? Hey man, Joe Burrow's got the best wide
receiver duo in the league. Probably Higgins and Chase are
historically a great wide receiver. Cobo got to be top
five to six all time. I don't know if it's
Rice and Taylor, but it's certainly up there. Okay, we
don't play this game with Patrick Mahones. Well, he has
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a generational tight end in Travis Kelcey and one of
the top five coaches, top three coaches in NFL history.
We don't do that, Lamar Jackson gets Derrick Henry a
first ballot Hall of Fame Locke, and we make excuses
for Lamar, we.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Don't bash him.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
So anyways, Shady McCoy was on the facility yesterday. Shady
a former Eagles player who I know, great guy, Shady.
I like him.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Here's what he said defended Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
AJ told me, well, players tell me that the offense
is really the offense, and oko point corner is you
come over here to fit the Jalen Hurts offense.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
So think about this.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
We know that the top four guys are mahomes, Josh
Allen's a rating MVP, Lamar's got two mvvs at Joe
Burrow went to a super Bowl. That's the consensus top four.
I don't see why this isn't a consensus top five.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
It doesn't make sense. Jalen Hurts has to be fifth.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You can make a case for Stafford, but he hasn't
been to the Super Bowl twice.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Okay, he hasn't.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And that's what Hurts has done in a short time span.
People want to push Jaden Daniels in there. I'm like, guys,
one year, one season, like he was historically great let's
see him do it again, because we saw CJ.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Stroud have a.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Great rookie year and then kind of fell off a
cliffic took sixty three sacks last year. Yes, Hurts has
a loaded roster, great offensive line, great running back to
good receivers. But you know who else had it pretty
damn good. The second best quarterback in NFL history, Joe Montana.
It's funny if Joe Montana were playing now, would he
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be in the hurt spot? Well, you know he's got
Bill Walsh and Jerry Rice and Roger Craig. I don't know,
he's got a stack deck. Maybe he's not in that group.
Like the NFL discussion is just lazy and silly. Jalen
Hurts has proven he can win from the pocket. And
I'm sure there's some people at home say, oh, well,
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one year winning from the pocket. Now we've done the homework, guys,
let's get on the screen. In the last three years,
Jalen Hurts from the pocket? Oh would you look at that?
Three years, three different offensive coordinators. Twenty twenty three, they regressed.
The offensive coordinator was a nightmare, and he threw a
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bunch of more picks. But that's three successful years for
Jalen Hurts. What more does he have to do? Can
he do any more to prove that he belongs? And
I'm sure what you're saying, oh, Jason stack roster. You
know I happen to look it up. Guys, The Ravens
had the most Pro Bowlers last year. I mean, what
metric do you want to use for stack roster? The
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Ravens had eight Pro bowlers, Minnesota Vikings had seven, the
Steelers had six, the Lions had six, and the Eagles
had six. So are they the best roster? What are
we saying like they had the most first round picks.
It's just people are in rasing themselves, bashing Jalen Hurts.
And I'll close out with one more stat because I
know you guys are gonna love this. Well, he's got
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our awesome roster. They just run away with every game.
Actually not really, Jalen Hurts has the second best winning
percentage in games his team is trailed by ten or
more points. He's a comeback king. He The only guy
he trails is Patrick Mahomes. One quarterback better at comeback
wins than Jalen Hurts, and that's Patrick mahomes now Lamar
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Jackson not Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Is Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
So is it the stack roster or is it Hurts
delivery with and without Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
You make the call. Let's go to Alex Curry with
the news.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
This is the herd Line News, Jame.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Honestly, I think it's great for his brand. It's great
for the Philly brand, and it's great for Jalen Hurts. Like,
doubt me, doubt me all you want, and let me
prove you wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
He doesn't have the celebrity girlfriend that Josh Allen has.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Lamar Jackson has the swag, he's cool. Who's the oh
Joe Burrow goes to fashion shows?
Speaker 4 (21:01):
He doesn't see he shows up? Does he just drop right?
Doubt me? And a full female team, every single person
on his team, agent, manator, everything. It's a full female team.
Like he is a battie and just understands like what
it means to be great. And that kind of goes
along with that last stat you gave like he's a
comeback king. Yeah. Yeah, like doubt me, let me don't worry.
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I'm not gonna sweat it. I'm gonna come back and
I'm gonna do it all right, Well, let's move to
San Francisco, because the forty nine ers started OTAs and
it was pretty much to be expected. The only vet
who didn't report is thirty six year old Trent Williams,
who generally never comes voluntary workouts. But the good news
is Christian McCaffrey is back on the field and Kyle
Shanahan says that the running back is as healthy as
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he can be. So let's hope Bet McCaffrey can stay
healthy because what he is he is in the MVP conversation.
And a positive for the forty nine ers this year
is because they had such a disappointing season last year,
they have one of the easier schedules this year and
they just locked in Brock Perty. They got their franchise guy,
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they got McCaffrey like, they still have a very solid
team together. Trent Williams is gonna be there, like there's
nothing you have to worry about contract wise. But they
don't have a target on their back, no one's expecting
anything from them, and they have an easy schedule. They
could be sneaky good. I still think Rams are going
to win the division, but forty nine ers could be
(22:29):
right back, right back into mixus.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
That's a good point about the target. Yeah, the last
like I think two or three years and this.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Is your super Bowl window, Like they were the Super
Bowl two years ago, like, and they had every they
were paying all their top guys and they had to
let them go and then they completely wet the bed
last year.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I wonder if Kyle Shanahan will cook up some new stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Well, and they have Robert sala as their Robert solid
back as defensive ordinator.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
They lost Deebo Samuel who's kind of a locker room leader.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
But also it's okay, you know, they still they were
still able to maintain a good core of this forty
nine ers team, lock up their guy and you cannot
look past their strength of schedule. You mentioned do we
have the schedule, because yeah, it's like one of the easiest.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I think eleven or twelve wins could be a plus
like number one seed because they don't face I don't
think they face any of the.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Top five quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So the first quarterback they'll face is Sam Darnold, who's.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
In a new city.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Then it's TVD because We don't know what the hell's
going on with the Saints. No idea, Kyler Murray, Okay, yeah,
Trevor Lawrence. I mean those two are at home, might
be better. Then they come to the Rams for a
Week five game. They'll probably be undefeated at that point,
and then like going to Baker Mayfield not a big deal.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Show me the game.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
These are winnable games. Yeah, for the forty nine, it's
going from having like a first place schedule to like
what third third place schedule is is very favorable for Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Look at it. They face the Browns, Titans, Colts, Panthers.
Man like, this is a eleven or twelve winths, even
if he don't like and no one's.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Really kind of talking about it because it's like, well,
you know, kind of fell off. They didn't do much,
had a like horrible season last it was bad.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
They had like injuries galore. They'll have like five new
defensive starters.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, Christian McCaffrey needs to stay healthy. If he can
stay healthy again, he's in the MVP conversation when he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, it's like Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, Rock Purty,
but Brandon and Yuke should be back from the ACL.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be good. All right, let's move here, Jets,
because Justin Fields is on his third team, but he's
got a ton of confidence. New York Jets head coach
Aaron Glenn has spoken very highly of his QB one
In Fields shares the same feelings.
Speaker 11 (24:42):
I think I can drake, you know, and that's not
going to go for me, my whole life, my whole career.
So like I said, you know, I think this guy's
a limit, you know, for this team, for this offense.
But we do have a long way to go. Like
I said, our offense and defense are new. So guys
are you know, really tuned in? Didn't trying to get
everything down, But I think, you know, once we do,
(25:03):
I think this guy's a limit. I mean, we have,
you know, all the guys we need, We have all
the talent, so it's really just going to come down
to discipline that execution when the games come.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I think this change of scenery can be great for
Justin Fields. Obviously he's a new coach. Aaron Glenn, former
Lions defensive coordinator, is very familiar with Fields from their
time in the NFC North Together when he was on
the Bears. I think the only downside is now he
has another defensive coach like he had Eberflus Mike tom Wlin.
He's ever really had an offensive coach to allow him
to do everything that he should be able to do.
(25:33):
But I mean, this is his this is his make
or break opportunity. This is your third team, this is
your chance.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
This is the tough part. You've been on both sides
of this.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
You know, you play sports.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
People ask you questions, but you also ask questions. Yes,
I don't know, Like it doesn't to me look great
on the screen. I think I can be great. Are
you doubting yourself because you're on your third team? I
know what anybody asks, Oh, because are you good at basketballs?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Steelers? I'm awesome, But you have to and I think
he will. I mean it's still really I think I
can be great. Hey, I can be great. There's a
fine line Alex to to switch that.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
You know, he put up major numbers at Ohio State. Yeah,
and he was great.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
He was. Now he hasn't been great in the NFL,
but that doesn't mean he isn't great.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I mean he was good enough with the Steelers. When
he played one, he was good enough. He kept them afloat.
But again another defensive coach.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's a fine line because like you know, even my
kids would I'm I try not to talk sports with
them after practice and tournaments and stuff, but one of
my kids will be like, oh, I wasn't that great.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
No, no, no, don't say that. Yeah, don't be get better.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I can bet, yes, you always have to. I tell
everybody it's all a mind st mindset. I manifest everything,
like literally like I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna like
I don't know how to do it, but I'm gonna
figure it out and I'm going to be great at it.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Fields has some work to do.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
He's got a lot, but also like AFC East, it's
a doable second place finish if everything I don't know. Well,
Bills are favorite to win it all right, like they're
they're the Superbow favorite, their favorite to win every game.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Patriots are.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
People are high on the Patriots. Mike Rable obviously is
like the huge Edition, but again like I need to
see it to believe it before I buy in on
the Patriots because it's it's a lot of new and
then Dolphins. A lot's gonna come down to if Tua
can stay healthy. Tyreek Hill is always a wild card.
You never you never know what you're gonna get in
this field or on the field. But it like it's
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it's doable if they can get it together and if
it pants out.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
There's low expectations, right if if they win eight or
nine games, that's a huge win.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Good for you. Go in with low expectations, be excited
when they prove you wrong.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Under promise and over deliver.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah, don't have two high expectations. Okay, let's switch to baseball.
The Yankees and Dodgers base off in a World Series
matchup this weekend. Fox has the game on Saturday, and
there's a great chance that, for the first time in
MLB history, each lineup three MVPs at once. But the Yankees,
the trio would be Aaron Judge, Paul gold Schmid, and
Cody Bellinger, who ironically won his MVP with the Dodgers.
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We all miss him. For Dodgers, it will be show Heyo, Tani,
Mookie Bets, and Freddie Freeman. Now, these are two of
the best teams in baseball right now. They're both leading
their divisions A Least and N West. But these are
also two of the best players in baseball, with Aaron
Judge Shoeo Tani the reigning MVPs from last year. They
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just keep going back and forth with leading the league
in home runs. It's just it's so incredible. I like,
you're going this weekend.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Right, it's funny for a treat because.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
You're gonna see like dinger city, baby, Like that's my
favorite thing ever, like an offensive explosion home run city,
especially from these two guys, because both Aaron Judge and
Shoho Tani have been like what every other game, every
couple of games, like we're hitting twenty home runs, let's go.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
It's funny because there's this baseball team, the Savannah Bananas.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
I love the Anaheim this.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Weekend usually when they're in town, everything shuts down.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Huge ticket.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, my family and I haven't been it, but appairly so.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Like over two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I looked at it.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Except they're taking a back seat to Yankee's God, which
is like historic rematch to the World Series. Like, I'm
very excited for this series. Good weekend for sports to
start June.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I'm fired up.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's a great weekend.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
This other way was Aaron Judge, h is he a
four hundred?
Speaker 11 (29:22):
Still?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Who?
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Aaron Judge? Because I saw you I didn't check.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
This morning, oh one earlier this week? Oh yeah, chasing
four hundreds impossible. But he's been putting up.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I mean, he's still first in home runs, extra base hits,
slugging percentage.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Tani might outshine him this weekend, That's what I think.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
That's what's going to make it so fun, is like
the slug fest that we're going to get from these
two guys.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Now, I'm sure you saw Otani did batting practice this week.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
He was pitching.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yeah, so he he did live BP.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
So we talked about that like six months ago, I
think you and I.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yeah. Yeah, so I said, you're not going to see
him pitch until after the All Star break, OK, for sure,
Like he's not going to be in a game for
the building. He might yeah, again, it all depends how
he progresses. His velo was hit in like mid nineties,
which is great, so like the velocity's there. He feels healthy.
But again, you have to remember it's his second Tommy John.
They're not calling it Tommy John, but it's still a
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UCL repair, but it's so it's a different part of
the UCL, so it's not technically the same Tommy John,
but it still is coming back from a major injury,
his second one, so you don't want to push it.
But he was having an amazing time. I'm sure you
saw the videos where he was like, yeah, having fun,
like on the mound while you and then you went
and hit a home run. I think the lead off
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home run like to start.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, So they're saying Judge is at three ninety one,
I guess he had a roughs.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
What day is today? For rough Thursday night?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, I was like, I didn't check this morning. Yeah
that's okay, okay, let's head back to the NFL. The
Raiders have a whole new look this season, especially with
a brand new coaching staff and quarterback. Offensive coordinator Chip
Kelly talked about how much new quarterback you know Smith
is impacting the players around.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
He's great. Geno's literally like a second coach, you know
when you're in that room with him, and Greg Old said,
it's you know, there's a lot of ideas going around
and then it's just a matter of krool.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
I mean, that's what you want to hear right, He's
saying all the right things. And we know that Chip
Kelly has a relationship or like, is a fan of Genos.
He tried to recruit them in college. He didn't end
up getting him. He didn't gonna organ But being familiar
and comfortable and already having a relationship in a new
situation is only going to be great. My question to
you is, though, because I which I do not agree
(31:34):
with you, I've made this very clear. You don't think
the Chiefs are gonna make the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (31:40):
What do you mean you've.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Gone on rants about this I have. Do you think
the Raiders are going to be They're gonna factor?
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, Carol's a good coach. I wouldn't hire him, he's
very old. But I do think for the next couple
of years. Yeah, they're gonna be competitive.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
We'll see. They always fight the Chiefs hard.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Always.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I mean, if you ask me, I would say Raiders
last in the division. But oh, look at this, Look
at this Geno Smith.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, fourth most passing yard NFL News, Jared Goff number one.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Do you know how many playoff wins ad that tenure? Anyways,
I think that we go seven eight nine wins.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Right, Yeah, that's fair, that's an improvement.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Yeah, to step up. Alex Curry with the news.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
All the pressure on the Pacers Game six at home?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
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Speaker 5 (33:43):
Back here on the Herd. Good start to the show.
It's only going to get better.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Now because we got a mixed guest in Ian Begley
covered the Knicks since twenty eleven.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Listen, we're gonna get to Game six in a second. En,
I gotta start with you got Ben's Stiller on your
podcast this week? How did that go?
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Ben was tremendous man, and I was impressed by his
knowledge of the game.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
He really he broke.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Things down in a way that I did not expect,
and I actually had to ask him to tone it
down at one point because I'm sure my bosses the
wheels were spinning there and they were thinking, Hey, Ben
Stiller could host this show. Let's get him in, Let's
get bag Lee out. But he was great, He was fantastic.
He talked Pat McAfee, we got into a lot and
he's a really, really legitimate Nick Finn, not a bandwagon
(34:31):
hoperare at all. He's been bleeding orange and blue for
a while.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
So who's next?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Timothy Shallowy Obviously I think he's covered on the show.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Absolutely So it was a scene last.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Night at the garden. Obviously, great win. I need to
start with the defense on Halliburton. Clearly he was bothered
by something. It can't just be hey, we're going home
for Game six. He had an awful game after.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
A historic one. What did you see courtside?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
I think you have to give mchal Ridge's credit, right
because you know he's been kind of a lightning rod
for the Nick fan out there following this team all year,
blaming Bridges for a lot not being satisfied with his play.
But I think Game five he pressured Haliburton. He picked
him up further down the court than they had been
earlier in the series, got into his body, tried to
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deny the ball when he was off the ball. It
did well, did really well, pressuring him and really preventing
him from doing much of what he did in game four. Now,
look game six, you know Haliburton is going to take
more than seven shots. You know he's going to be
much more active there. So he's going to adjust how
to the Knicks adjust. But at least for one night
(35:41):
for Game five, you know, Bridges led the Chargers there
and helped slow Haliburton down.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
It also looked like Jalen Brunson was more locked in
fighting through screens. Look at some tough stuff up near
mid court, just pressuring the ball. And I saw the
Pacers shot three for fourteen, which as the primary defender
after he had been I don't know about a turnstyle,
but he had been getting abused there in the series.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Look, the Pacers targeted him, and they targeted Karl Anthony
Towns with the pick and roll, and that was happening
throughout and it happened to game five, and yeah, I
agree with you. I mean, whether it was just simply
being more physical, more locked in, whatever it was, he
was different in dealing with those situations. And he said, look,
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that's their game plan, that's what they're going to try
to execute. We have our game plan. That's what we're
going to try to execute. He didn't make too much
of it, but certainly it was noticed in a locker
room the idea that he was Maybe it was a
pride factor, whatever it was, there was intensity, more intensity
from him on that end, and then you saw the
other the end of the floor. He just came out really,
really confident, getting to his spots, knocking shots down in
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a big way, giving the Knicks the kind of early
cushion in Game five that they hadn't really enjoyed much
at all over the course of this postseason.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, I'm looking for a third scorer. Sometimes you need
that third guy. We know Brunce is gonna get his,
and Kat probably if he's out of foul trouble. Can
it be og Nnobi? It's almost like he's night and day.
He's only averaging sixteen in the series, not shooting it.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Well from three. Who can be the third guy for
Game six Saturday Night.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Look, he has his nights and he has his off nights.
Talking about og Nnobi Bridges, same thing. Sometimes he's knocking
down that mid range and he gets going from the perimeter,
and sometimes he does not. And so usually it's one
or the other. If the Knicks could get one or
the other going it's going to be a good night.
They give themselves a good chance to win. But when
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both of those guys are off those points that we're
talking about, that third scorer that we're talking about, it
gets spread out a little more and it's more difficult
to supplement towns and bruntson and so yeah, on a
good night, it's one of the two of Anonobi and Bridges,
and I think they're gonna need that formula going into
Game six hostile territory in Indy. But I think the
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Pacers feel a little pressure there at home because the
last thing you want to do if you're Haliburton in
that group has come back to New York for a
Game seven on Monday one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Let me zoom out on the Knicks for a moment.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
And so if they lose this series, they've got several options, right,
But I will point out the Celtics losing Jason Tatum
kind of opens the East up next year, Right, it's Cavs, Pacers,
Knicks mostly maybe there's a surprise team. But the next day,
essentially could chase the Honest, they could chase Kevin Durant,
They could stand pat and then switch out the coach.
(38:32):
Perhaps they move on from Thibodeau and get Michael Malone,
who's out there in a super Bowl, not Super Bowl,
NBA Finals winning coach. I'm curious your thoughts, like, how
much will what happens in game six and seven matter?
Speaker 6 (38:46):
I think everything matters, But I think particularly when you
get through game five you don't get embarrassed at home
to end the season, I think that resonates, and I
think you know, it's it's it's funny because you zoom
out Jason and you see it Nick.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Team that did.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
Something that no one thought they could do, being the
Boston Celtics in the second round, and here they are
making progress from past years getting to the conference finals.
But the pathway here through Indiana is clear to the finals,
and if you trip yourself up against the Pacers, there's
gonna be you know, hard analysis in the aftermath of that.
But I do think getting through five not getting embarrassed
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at home is big. Look you get back to seven,
I think you could make a strong case to just
run it back. Let's bring everybody back, Let's sign bridges
to the extension. Thibodeau has gotten us here, He's on
an extension let's bring him back and let's see how
this group can grow together. But there's always that unknown,
you know, at the top owner James Doan, how is
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he going to react to a bad playoff loss or
to a team that's not competing at the level that
he sees that it should compete at. That's something that
you know, you only know when you know. But I
do think them getting to the conference final, getting past
at game five at home, I think it leans more
towards stability for this Nick team than it does any
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huge change in the offseason.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
That's a good take.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
I mean, I just watching last time, I'm like, why
didn't Thibodau pick up Halliburton full court the whole series?
Speaker 5 (40:15):
And of course the counter as well. The Knicks bench
has been well.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
He rested Bridges i think for nine minutes in the
second quarter, and it looked like it helped him with
the energy in the second half. Landry Shammitt playing whatever
that's worth. I guess I'll wrap up with this. The
Knicks have a star in Brunson, but if Jannis is
out there and the package is available, don't you kind
of have to part with whoever to get him.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
It's interesting Jason, you know, if we were talking before
the playoffs, I would have set absolutely. If we were
talking in the Detroit series, I would have set absolutely,
even early in the Boston series. But I think they
are at the point now where again, you've passed certain
level of expectations and you've done it with this group,
and there's a good argument to be put together to
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keep this thing together, to run it back, to allow
everybody to get more comfortable with one another, because I
think if you can create that hierarchy where it's Brunton
and its towns, and then everybody else kind of fills
in a specific role and buys into that role, you
could see this team being better next season than they
are right now. And you mentioned Boston and East the
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East opening up, so yeah, you could make that argument obviously,
town excuse me, honest, if he becomes available and you
have to make the phone call, you have to see
where your land there. And I do think at certain
points in the season Nick people felt like they would
be in the mix there if it came to be honest,
leaving Milwaukee. But given where we are, especially given what
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happened Game five there, I think you should lean more
towards running things back and seeing where that gets you.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, all right, big one Saturday night, Ian, I'm sure
you'll be there. Enjoy the game ten built ten Tell
Ben still or in Shallow Bay, I said, what's up.
I'll be wearing my nixt Patrick Ewing Jersey Saturday night, buddy.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
And look, I'll book I'll book Shall May for you.
I got get him on next week.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
So what a good guy day. Take it over for
a booker.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
All right, Ian Begley, great stuff on the next all right,
coming up next hour. Yeah, we haven't talked Chiefs yet.
You know my favorite team in the NFL, Kansas City Chiefs.
Can't wait for that one.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hello, and welcome to
The Herd. A beautiful Friday because the Knicks one last night. Baby,
It's me.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Jason McIntyre in on a Friday for traveling Colin Cowhard.
He's I don't know if I can say parts unknown.
I think he's gonna be posting on IG later. I'm
joined by Alex Curry. Alex, not only do we have
a great Thursday with the Knicks winning, we have a
Yankees Dodgers this weekend.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Kids. I love when you get a fit slave of games.
But you're the first person I thought about last night.
I was like, what an awesome Friday show. It's gonna
be Jamie's Nick's fight to live and see another day.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
I was excited.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I gotta say I'm excited. I'm going to a Yankees
Dodgers game. We have my first one was able to
secure some tickets. I can't really say that. I don't
mean everybody coming up to me.
Speaker 7 (01:12):
At the game.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Let them know where you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
By the way, I went to a Kendrick Lamar concert
last weekend with the Fam and there were some Herd.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Fans who were like, J Mack yeah, And I was like, well, okay,
he's a family friend.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
You obviously are closed. I won't reveal that stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
But anyways, life is good out here in La Life
is good if you're a Knicks fan.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Folks. We have a series once again. Nicks get the.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Win at home at the Garden last night, pretty convincing,
wire to wire. I don't want to overreact, but I
think they're actually back in the series. Okay, they dominated
last night. I don't think there was one tense moment
in the second half. I don't even know if it
got to single digits. I know there's gonna be a
lot of basic analysis out there today. Hey, the Pacers
didn't really try. They had Game six at home, so
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you could see they were lethargic. You have to watch
the game closely, guys, and the Knicks actually made some adjustments.
Tom Thibodeau, thank you for making changes. I mean, it's
the small things, like Tyrese Haliburton had an awful game,
and we'll get to him later, but it wasn't just
he played poorly or he wasn't locked in. The Knicks
made adjustments. Again, it's a small thing, but they picked
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him up full court. You know, as a guy who
plays in men's leagues, you got to pick up full court.
Point guards hate that Tyrese Haliburton struggled against the full
court pressure, only ended up taking seven shots. And the
Knicks defense was so good for the first time in
the entire series. Guys, the Knicks won the turnover battle. Yes,
they forced the Pacers into more turnovers than the Knicks committed,
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and it really helped the Knicks offense. Obviously, Jalen Brunson
was phenomenal, Carl Anthony Towns was excellent, and listen, I
think this is series back on a lot of people
are saying all the Pacers got it. I was mildly
surprised to see the Pacers are three and a half
point favorites for Game six Saturday night. But the biggest
change I saw was Jalen Brunson defensively. Jalen Brunton heard
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all your criticisms, heard all your Oh Haliburton's better, now,
yeah he's better.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
No, No, let's just take a deep breath.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
That was one game Jalen Brunson was locked in defensively.
Here he is after the game talking about the dub.
Speaker 8 (03:19):
I mean, I practicing missed the wall and so I
wasn't thinking I need to play better than him.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I was just thinking I need to help my team win.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
And I that's my minds every time on the court,
just helping my team.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
One, folks, I got a mind blowing sat for you.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So in games one through four, the Pacers picked on
Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Literally give me him, I want him in the pick
and roll, and they attacked him.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
According to some stats, the Pacers were sixty eight percent
from the field sixty eight percent when Brunson was the
primary defender in games one through four. So what happened
in game five Brunson fighting through screens, locked in, getting down.
Pacers shot three for fourteen with Brunson as the primary defender.
That's twenty one percent for you math majors out there.
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Just phenomenal performance at both ends from Brunson offensively carried
him carl ANTHONK Town's obviously was excellent, and specifically Brunson
went at Halliburton.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I don't know if you guys noticed. They started attacking.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Halliburton in the pick and roll and Halliburton struggled coming
off a one of the games that were they're calling
it one of the best performances ever where Halliburton at
thirty fifteen and ten with no turnovers. Haliburton had eight
points and you know, we'll go after him later. We'll
take some jabs at Haliburton later on. But here he
is after the game talking about his lack of intensity
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and the Pacers kind of getting rolled. We're a resilient group,
you know.
Speaker 9 (04:38):
We we always want to respond with things don't go well.
You know, after a game like that, we understand what
the stakes are and we understand the conversation.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Well, it will be around our group, but you know,
we're we're fine.
Speaker 10 (04:51):
We're fine.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
There's no need to panic, right, think.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
We're fine.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
We'll see a lot of people already like the Pacers
to win game six. I told you the spreads three
and a half. I do want to point out two things.
Number one, for the first time this year or last year.
The pressure is on Indiana. Okay, last year the Nicks
got injured in the series despite being up three to two.
Now the Pacers pressures on them, folks, and they have
not felt this pressure before. They've got to win this game.
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You don't want to have to go back to the garden.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
And for those that are saying, oh trust me, Jay,
Pacers weren't locked in.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
They didn't care. They were going home for Game six.
Look at the last round. Okay, they had to go
back to Cleveland on the road Game five, and they
smashed the Calves in a let's end the series.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
So I don't want to hear this.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They didn't lay down, or they laid down because they
had Game six. And the other point is so nine
years ago this weekend, I moved my family across the
country for this job here at Fox.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
It's been fun. Were having a blast.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
But something else happened nine years ago this week, and
that was Golden State lead trailing Oksee three to one.
You remember OKSE was up three to one. They go
to Golden State for Game five.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
They lose.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It was similar, not quite wire to wire, but Golden
State controlled that game so then they had Game six
in OKC.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
All right, do you guys remember this game nine years ago?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Klay Thompson Special hit eleven threes forty one points and
the Warriors erased the three to one deficit end up
winning in seven. My question to the Knicks, who is
Klay Thompson Saturday night in Indiana? Somebody's got to blow up?
We know what Bruns is gonna get his? Is it
going to be Bridges? Is it gonna be Karl Anthony
towns og Nnobi?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Are you gonna be the.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Guy that shows up? Someone has to erupt. They're gonna
need a volcanic performance from someone to take down the
pacer Saturday.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I like the Knicks in that one. All right, let's
shift topics and go to.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
My favorite team in the NBA, the Oklahoma City Thunder. Yes,
I know, Jay, you've been banging on them all season.
You've been calling SGA the free throw Merchant. Can you
put some respect on Okac's name? And I will, But
first I've got to give a quick shout out to
a former NBA player who I thought I saw one
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of the hottest takes I've seen on OKC, And that's
courtesy of Jeff t former Indiana Pacers point guard who
played in Minnesota and a.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Couple other stops.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
He has a podcast, and he went on raving about
SGA and the mid range and get this, saving the NBA.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
I think SBA saved the NBA. Oh, this is what
I'm saying. I'm not saying because how I perform, but
the way he play. He saved the NBA because the
NBA is a copycat league, and he perfected the mill
range game, right, so he brought back the ability to
better shoot meri range shots. I got crucified in Minnesota
for just wanting to shoot a marill range shot if
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it wasn't a three or ear layer for analytics, and
him being the MVP and his goal to shot is
a mill range shot.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
He literally just saved the NBA.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
All right, listen, I gotta give my guy's credit here.
A couple of producers sent me that yesterday. I was like, Damn,
that's a take.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I think.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I don't think it's complete and I'm not gonna give
Tigue all the credit. I think it's a phenomenal take.
I don't think he's totally accurate.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
And let me tell you why.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yes, SGA is killing in the mid range. He's totally dominant.
I saw some stats where he's shooting over fifty percent
in the mid range.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Now he's not quite saving the league.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I saw some stats Michael Jordan attempted like twelve hundred
or mid range shots or whatever it was in the nineties.
SGA's only like around four hundred. So it's not quite
what it was with MJ and even Kobe. But the
reason they can do the mid range with SGA is
because they play phenomenal defense. They're number one in defensive
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efficiency in the league by a mile. They're calling this
one of the best defensive teams in her generation. Well, guys,
if you can get stops and they can no denying it,
of course you can trade twos for threes. It's not
that big a deal.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You can't not play defense and then spam threes and
expect to win every game because you're gonna go cold
from three. I did look this up. The two best
three point shooting teams this year were Boston and Cleveland.
Guess what happened on them in the playoffs. Boston shot
sixty threes in a game. They went cold from three
against the next it happens, and we all know what
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happened to Cleveland. They got out shot from three. I
believe in every game against Talliburton, and all of a sudden,
you go cold from three. You don't have a CounterPunch.
So OKASE has won in the mid range game. Now,
an amazing stat for OKC is they're three point shooting
way down.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You're not gonna believe this.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So sixteen teams in the playoffs, OKAC is thirteenth in
three point shooting.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Ordinarily that's a death.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Now OKAC has been out shot from three in ten
of sixteen playoff games. Usually that's like, oh, they're getting bounced.
But because of the defense and the mid range game,
they're able to completely blow teams out. But we don't
see this a lot because nobody's playing defense in the
league anymore. So you guys know, I love the hey
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zig when everybody's zagging. So right now, in the NBA,
the analytics say, spam threes fire away. It's a math
equation and we've seen this before, right, So, Billy Bean
and moneyball in baseball, Okay, hey, we can't compete with
the big spenders, so we've got to find obscure stats
that matter and kind of build our line up that way.
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And they did that with the Oakland A's and they
had a lot of success. Another analogy, so YouTube comes
out and all their videos are horizontal because hey, we
want to look like TV. So what does TikTok do? Hey,
let's do vertical for the phone. So TikTok go's totally different.
At Boom TikTok.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Goes to the moon.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Well, guess who starts copying TikTok YouTube shorts, Instagram reels.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Now all Verdeo videos are vertical.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So will we see like Jeff tgue is saying, everybody
copy OKC and go to.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
The mid rage.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, I'm sure the Minnesota Timberwolves Anthony Edwards who let
the league in threes and only.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Got layups and dunks.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Is he gonna pivot and say I gotta work on
my mid range or all these NBA trainers who were
helping everybody work on threes. So are they gonna say
we got to get back to the mid range. I
don't necessarily think that's gonna happen. I do think there
is the world where other teams can copy, but you
gotta play good defense, like the Cabs would make a
lot of sense to play.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
They played great defense with Mobile and Allen.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But are they gonna say, Donovan Mitchell, let's get to.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
The mid range. I don't know that that's gonna happen.
So while I like the.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Take, I don't think this whole saving the NBA is
as one hundred percent spot on. I do think Okayc's
gonna be favored, obviously heavily against the Pacers or Nicks.
But I would wrap up by saying, we saw Okac
stop Anthony Edwards fairly easily, and you looked at it
and you're like, why didn't.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
The Lakers try that.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Let's just put up a picket fence right at the
foul line, say you're not getting to the lane. We're
not gonna let it happen. And he couldn't do that,
and Minnesota couldn't make any threes. So are we going
to see the Pacers or Nick say, hey, SGA, we're
gonna wall off the pate. No more minis for you, buddy.
Let's see what Jalen Williams, Je Dubb and Louke Dort.
Let's see what those guys can do from three? Because
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oh look the analytics say they're not hitting threes in
the playoffs, and I think that's what we're going to
see in the finals. And I don't think Okaye's gonna
waltz over the Knicks or Pacers, whoever it may be.
But SGA certainly is making people think and the hot
takes are flying about.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Saving the NBA.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So, Alex, we got a game six Saturday night. I
know you're excited. I know I'm fired up.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I gotta be honest, like I was all in on
the Knicks after they kind of blew through Boston and
then the start of this series, I was like, Okay,
maybe that Boston series was their finals and they just
kind of blew it out. But what impressed me most
about last night was listening to Carl Anthony Towns on
his postgame interview with Shaq and Charles, and they were
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asking him, you know, like, what's the conversation you guys
are having, like on the plane, privately, not in front
of everybody, and he goes, why not us like that
one game at a time, Why can't we do it?
Why can't we be the team that does it? And
you kind of saw that attitude last night.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Yeah, of they.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Played desperate and it worked. They outplayed the Pacers in
every part of the game totally. If they can do
that and win Game six in Indie tomorrow, anything is
possible in the game.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna call Josh.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Anything is possible in a game seven. But they all
have to show up, like Carl Anthony Talons has to
show up.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
No more dumb fouls.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Cat Let's did you hear him call him out? They
called him out on that last night?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Ye, Stan Van Gundy during the broadcast was it was amazing.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I think the next got a shot.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
They said, I'm betting them yet, but.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I think they got like after last night. Like so you're.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Saying there's a chance a little dubin Dummer all right?
Coming up next, Jalen Hurts. Can you believe he's getting crushed?
I can't believe it. They're saying he's the biggest weakness
on the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Let me just say, I totally just I'll tell you
that next here on the Herd.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 3 (14:11):
App Back here on the Herd got Rachel Nichols coming
up to talk about the Knicks. Probably we'll get into
the free throw merchant as well. Listen, I gotta say,
if you guys watch the show yesterday, you know Coward
and I went at it. I think it was a
twelve round that felt like, you know, Foreman Tyson or
Foreman Holyfield. Sorry regarding Jalen Hurts, Okay, now I did.
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Before I moved out here to LA I did live
outside of Philly, but I don't really have a super
connection to the city. It was a suburban life.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But I like the.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Eagles that I pay attention to them, and for some reason,
the bashing of Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
It's just getting under my skin. Okay. I like, you know,
I like to defend underdogs.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I like to defend guys who I think are really
good that maybe the market is not up to speed
on and this pro football focus on website I go
to helps a lot with the gambling. They said that
the biggest weakness on the defending Super Bowl champion was
wait for it, the Super Bowl MVP. They said it
was the passing game that was the weakness of the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
So you know, it's not that hard.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
To look up some stats on the Pro Football Focused
website and you know, let me give you your SATs here.
This is the Super Bowl MVP last year. Passing, which
is the biggest weakness from the pocket.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Here's Jalen Hurts, you.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Know, second in completion percentage, third in yards per passing
yards per game, and then passer rating fifth. I think
that should be yards per tenp.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
But bottom line is, it's not like this is a
dink and dunk offense.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Jalen Hurts can beat you anyway deep down the field,
over the middle, scrambling. The best running quarterback in the league. Sorry,
Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts at better. He's got the Church push,
which is automatic. I don't get the bashing of Jalen Hurts,
and I think it all comes down to him being
drafted in the second round, which oh man, he's not
a first round pick, and it's stupid and goofy. And
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then there's the whole saga that happened at Alabama where
he gets benched in the National championship, replaced by Tua
Tua goes on. I mean, that's like that's historic stuff.
You never see that and he had to transfer. But
all Jalen Hurts has done is overcome everything. His height,
the benching at Alabama. Remember, he didn't come in as
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the starter in Philly. He had to win that job.
He had a awful and I'm talking. I think they
lost their first playoff game with thirty one nothing. He
wanted to bench him at halftime. I think me included.
All he's done is overcome everything. And now he's the
Super Bowl MVP, and they're still disrespecting him. Philadelphia catered
the offense to Jalen Hurts and it's working. And oh no, no,
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the rosters stacked. What do we play that game with
Joe Burrow? Hey man, Joe Burrow's got the best wide
receiver duo in the league. Probably Higgins and Chase are
historically a great wide receiver. Cobo got to be top
five to six all time. I don't know if it's
Rice and Taylor, but it's certainly up there. Okay, we
don't play this game with Patrick Mahones. Well, he has
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a generational tight end in Travis Kelcey and one of
the top five coaches, top three coaches in NFL history.
We don't do that, Lamar Jackson gets Derrick Henry a
first ballot Hall of Fame Locke, and we make excuses
for Lamar, we.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Don't bash him.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
So anyways, Shady McCoy was on the facility yesterday. Shady
a former Eagles player who I know, great guy, Shady.
I like him.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Here's what he said defended Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
AJ told me, well, players tell me that the offense
is really the offense, and oko point corner is you
come over here to fit the Jalen Hurts offense.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
So think about this.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
We know that the top four guys are mahomes, Josh
Allen's a rating MVP, Lamar's got two mvvs at Joe
Burrow went to a super Bowl. That's the consensus top four.
I don't see why this isn't a consensus top five.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
It doesn't make sense. Jalen Hurts has to be fifth.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You can make a case for Stafford, but he hasn't
been to the Super Bowl twice.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Okay, he hasn't.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And that's what Hurts has done in a short time span.
People want to push Jaden Daniels in there. I'm like, guys,
one year, one season, like he was historically great let's
see him do it again, because we saw CJ.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Stroud have a.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Great rookie year and then kind of fell off a
cliffic took sixty three sacks last year. Yes, Hurts has
a loaded roster, great offensive line, great running back to
good receivers. But you know who else had it pretty
damn good. The second best quarterback in NFL history, Joe Montana.
It's funny if Joe Montana were playing now, would he
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be in the hurt spot? Well, you know he's got
Bill Walsh and Jerry Rice and Roger Craig. I don't know,
he's got a stack deck. Maybe he's not in that group.
Like the NFL discussion is just lazy and silly. Jalen
Hurts has proven he can win from the pocket. And
I'm sure there's some people at home say, oh, well,
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one year winning from the pocket. Now we've done the homework, guys,
let's get on the screen. In the last three years,
Jalen Hurts from the pocket? Oh would you look at that?
Three years, three different offensive coordinators. Twenty twenty three, they regressed.
The offensive coordinator was a nightmare, and he threw a
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bunch of more picks. But that's three successful years for
Jalen Hurts. What more does he have to do? Can
he do any more to prove that he belongs? And
I'm sure what you're saying, oh, Jason stack roster. You
know I happen to look it up. Guys, The Ravens
had the most Pro Bowlers last year. I mean, what
metric do you want to use for stack roster? The
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Ravens had eight Pro bowlers, Minnesota Vikings had seven, the
Steelers had six, the Lions had six, and the Eagles
had six. So are they the best roster? What are
we saying like they had the most first round picks.
It's just people are in rasing themselves, bashing Jalen Hurts.
And I'll close out with one more stat because I
know you guys are gonna love this. Well, he's got
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our awesome roster. They just run away with every game.
Actually not really, Jalen Hurts has the second best winning
percentage in games his team is trailed by ten or
more points. He's a comeback king. He The only guy
he trails is Patrick Mahomes. One quarterback better at comeback
wins than Jalen Hurts, and that's Patrick mahomes now Lamar
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Jackson not Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Is Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
So is it the stack roster or is it Hurts
delivery with and without Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
You make the call. Let's go to Alex Curry with
the news.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
This is the herd Line News, Jame.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Honestly, I think it's great for his brand. It's great
for the Philly brand, and it's great for Jalen Hurts. Like,
doubt me, doubt me all you want, and let me
prove you wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
He doesn't have the celebrity girlfriend that Josh Allen has.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Lamar Jackson has the swag, he's cool. Who's the oh
Joe Burrow goes to fashion shows?
Speaker 4 (21:01):
He doesn't see he shows up? Does he just drop right?
Doubt me? And a full female team, every single person
on his team, agent, manator, everything. It's a full female team.
Like he is a battie and just understands like what
it means to be great. And that kind of goes
along with that last stat you gave like he's a
comeback king. Yeah. Yeah, like doubt me, let me don't worry.
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I'm not gonna sweat it. I'm gonna come back and
I'm gonna do it all right, Well, let's move to
San Francisco, because the forty nine ers started OTAs and
it was pretty much to be expected. The only vet
who didn't report is thirty six year old Trent Williams,
who generally never comes voluntary workouts. But the good news
is Christian McCaffrey is back on the field and Kyle
Shanahan says that the running back is as healthy as
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he can be. So let's hope Bet McCaffrey can stay
healthy because what he is he is in the MVP conversation.
And a positive for the forty nine ers this year
is because they had such a disappointing season last year,
they have one of the easier schedules this year and
they just locked in Brock Perty. They got their franchise guy,
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they got McCaffrey like, they still have a very solid
team together. Trent Williams is gonna be there, like there's
nothing you have to worry about contract wise. But they
don't have a target on their back, no one's expecting
anything from them, and they have an easy schedule. They
could be sneaky good. I still think Rams are going
to win the division, but forty nine ers could be
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right back, right back into mixus.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
That's a good point about the target. Yeah, the last
like I think two or three years and this.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Is your super Bowl window, Like they were the Super
Bowl two years ago, like, and they had every they
were paying all their top guys and they had to
let them go and then they completely wet the bed
last year.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I wonder if Kyle Shanahan will cook up some new stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Well, and they have Robert sala as their Robert solid
back as defensive ordinator.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
They lost Deebo Samuel who's kind of a locker room leader.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
But also it's okay, you know, they still they were
still able to maintain a good core of this forty
nine ers team, lock up their guy and you cannot
look past their strength of schedule. You mentioned do we
have the schedule, because yeah, it's like one of the easiest.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I think eleven or twelve wins could be a plus
like number one seed because they don't face I don't
think they face any of the.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Top five quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So the first quarterback they'll face is Sam Darnold, who's.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
In a new city.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Then it's TVD because We don't know what the hell's
going on with the Saints. No idea, Kyler Murray, Okay, yeah,
Trevor Lawrence. I mean those two are at home, might
be better. Then they come to the Rams for a
Week five game. They'll probably be undefeated at that point,
and then like going to Baker Mayfield not a big deal.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Show me the game.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
These are winnable games. Yeah, for the forty nine, it's
going from having like a first place schedule to like
what third third place schedule is is very favorable for Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Look at it. They face the Browns, Titans, Colts, Panthers.
Man like, this is a eleven or twelve winths, even
if he don't like and no one's.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Really kind of talking about it because it's like, well,
you know, kind of fell off. They didn't do much,
had a like horrible season last it was bad.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
They had like injuries galore. They'll have like five new
defensive starters.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, Christian McCaffrey needs to stay healthy. If he can
stay healthy again, he's in the MVP conversation when he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, it's like Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, Rock Purty,
but Brandon and Yuke should be back from the ACL.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be good. All right, let's move here, Jets,
because Justin Fields is on his third team, but he's
got a ton of confidence. New York Jets head coach
Aaron Glenn has spoken very highly of his QB one
In Fields shares the same feelings.
Speaker 11 (24:42):
I think I can drake, you know, and that's not
going to go for me, my whole life, my whole career.
So like I said, you know, I think this guy's
a limit, you know, for this team, for this offense.
But we do have a long way to go. Like
I said, our offense and defense are new. So guys
are you know, really tuned in? Didn't trying to get
everything down, But I think, you know, once we do,
(25:03):
I think this guy's a limit. I mean, we have,
you know, all the guys we need, We have all
the talent, so it's really just going to come down
to discipline that execution when the games come.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I think this change of scenery can be great for
Justin Fields. Obviously he's a new coach. Aaron Glenn, former
Lions defensive coordinator, is very familiar with Fields from their
time in the NFC North Together when he was on
the Bears. I think the only downside is now he
has another defensive coach like he had Eberflus Mike tom Wlin.
He's ever really had an offensive coach to allow him
to do everything that he should be able to do.
(25:33):
But I mean, this is his this is his make
or break opportunity. This is your third team, this is
your chance.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
This is the tough part. You've been on both sides
of this.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
You know, you play sports.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
People ask you questions, but you also ask questions. Yes,
I don't know, Like it doesn't to me look great
on the screen. I think I can be great. Are
you doubting yourself because you're on your third team? I
know what anybody asks, Oh, because are you good at basketballs?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Steelers? I'm awesome, But you have to and I think
he will. I mean it's still really I think I
can be great. Hey, I can be great. There's a
fine line Alex to to switch that.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
You know, he put up major numbers at Ohio State. Yeah,
and he was great.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
He was. Now he hasn't been great in the NFL,
but that doesn't mean he isn't great.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I mean he was good enough with the Steelers. When
he played one, he was good enough. He kept them afloat.
But again another defensive coach.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's a fine line because like you know, even my
kids would I'm I try not to talk sports with
them after practice and tournaments and stuff, but one of
my kids will be like, oh, I wasn't that great.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
No, no, no, don't say that. Yeah, don't be get better.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I can bet, yes, you always have to. I tell
everybody it's all a mind st mindset. I manifest everything,
like literally like I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna like
I don't know how to do it, but I'm gonna
figure it out and I'm going to be great at it.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Fields has some work to do.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
He's got a lot, but also like AFC East, it's
a doable second place finish if everything I don't know. Well,
Bills are favorite to win it all right, like they're
they're the Superbow favorite, their favorite to win every game.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Patriots are.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
People are high on the Patriots. Mike Rable obviously is
like the huge Edition, but again like I need to
see it to believe it before I buy in on
the Patriots because it's it's a lot of new and
then Dolphins. A lot's gonna come down to if Tua
can stay healthy. Tyreek Hill is always a wild card.
You never you never know what you're gonna get in
this field or on the field. But it like it's
(27:30):
it's doable if they can get it together and if
it pants out.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
There's low expectations, right if if they win eight or
nine games, that's a huge win.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Good for you. Go in with low expectations, be excited
when they prove you wrong.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Under promise and over deliver.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah, don't have two high expectations. Okay, let's switch to baseball.
The Yankees and Dodgers base off in a World Series
matchup this weekend. Fox has the game on Saturday, and
there's a great chance that, for the first time in
MLB history, each lineup three MVPs at once. But the Yankees,
the trio would be Aaron Judge, Paul gold Schmid, and
Cody Bellinger, who ironically won his MVP with the Dodgers.
(28:07):
We all miss him. For Dodgers, it will be show Heyo, Tani,
Mookie Bets, and Freddie Freeman. Now, these are two of
the best teams in baseball right now. They're both leading
their divisions A Least and N West. But these are
also two of the best players in baseball, with Aaron
Judge Shoeo Tani the reigning MVPs from last year. They
(28:28):
just keep going back and forth with leading the league
in home runs. It's just it's so incredible. I like,
you're going this weekend.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Right, it's funny for a treat because.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
You're gonna see like dinger city, baby, Like that's my
favorite thing ever, like an offensive explosion home run city,
especially from these two guys, because both Aaron Judge and
Shoho Tani have been like what every other game, every
couple of games, like we're hitting twenty home runs, let's go.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
It's funny because there's this baseball team, the Savannah Bananas.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
I love the Anaheim this.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Weekend usually when they're in town, everything shuts down.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Huge ticket.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, my family and I haven't been it, but appairly so.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Like over two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I looked at it.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Except they're taking a back seat to Yankee's God, which
is like historic rematch to the World Series. Like, I'm
very excited for this series. Good weekend for sports to
start June.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I'm fired up.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's a great weekend.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
This other way was Aaron Judge, h is he a
four hundred?
Speaker 11 (29:22):
Still?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Who?
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Aaron Judge? Because I saw you I didn't check.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
This morning, oh one earlier this week? Oh yeah, chasing
four hundreds impossible. But he's been putting up.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I mean, he's still first in home runs, extra base hits,
slugging percentage.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Tani might outshine him this weekend, That's what I think.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
That's what's going to make it so fun, is like
the slug fest that we're going to get from these
two guys.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Now, I'm sure you saw Otani did batting practice this week.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
He was pitching.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yeah, so he he did live BP.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
So we talked about that like six months ago, I
think you and I.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yeah. Yeah, so I said, you're not going to see
him pitch until after the All Star break, OK, for sure,
Like he's not going to be in a game for
the building. He might yeah, again, it all depends how
he progresses. His velo was hit in like mid nineties,
which is great, so like the velocity's there. He feels healthy.
But again, you have to remember it's his second Tommy John.
They're not calling it Tommy John, but it's still a
(30:13):
UCL repair, but it's so it's a different part of
the UCL, so it's not technically the same Tommy John,
but it still is coming back from a major injury,
his second one, so you don't want to push it.
But he was having an amazing time. I'm sure you
saw the videos where he was like, yeah, having fun,
like on the mound while you and then you went
and hit a home run. I think the lead off
(30:34):
home run like to start.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, So they're saying Judge is at three ninety one,
I guess he had a roughs.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
What day is today? For rough Thursday night?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, I was like, I didn't check this morning. Yeah
that's okay, okay, let's head back to the NFL. The
Raiders have a whole new look this season, especially with
a brand new coaching staff and quarterback. Offensive coordinator Chip
Kelly talked about how much new quarterback you know Smith
is impacting the players around.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
He's great. Geno's literally like a second coach, you know
when you're in that room with him, and Greg Old said,
it's you know, there's a lot of ideas going around
and then it's just a matter of krool.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
I mean, that's what you want to hear right, He's
saying all the right things. And we know that Chip
Kelly has a relationship or like, is a fan of Genos.
He tried to recruit them in college. He didn't end
up getting him. He didn't gonna organ But being familiar
and comfortable and already having a relationship in a new
situation is only going to be great. My question to
you is, though, because I which I do not agree
(31:34):
with you, I've made this very clear. You don't think
the Chiefs are gonna make the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (31:40):
What do you mean you've.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Gone on rants about this I have. Do you think
the Raiders are going to be They're gonna factor?
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, Carol's a good coach. I wouldn't hire him, he's
very old. But I do think for the next couple
of years. Yeah, they're gonna be competitive.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
We'll see. They always fight the Chiefs hard.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Always.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I mean, if you ask me, I would say Raiders
last in the division. But oh, look at this, Look
at this Geno Smith.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, fourth most passing yard NFL News, Jared Goff number one.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Do you know how many playoff wins ad that tenure? Anyways,
I think that we go seven eight nine wins.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Right, Yeah, that's fair, that's an improvement.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Yeah, to step up. Alex Curry with the news.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
All the pressure on the Pacers Game six at home?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Will they crumble? What's gonna happen? We ent to New
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Speaker 5 (33:43):
Back here on the Herd. Good start to the show.
It's only going to get better.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Now because we got a mixed guest in Ian Begley
covered the Knicks since twenty eleven.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Listen, we're gonna get to Game six in a second. En,
I gotta start with you got Ben's Stiller on your
podcast this week? How did that go?
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Ben was tremendous man, and I was impressed by his
knowledge of the game.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
He really he broke.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Things down in a way that I did not expect,
and I actually had to ask him to tone it
down at one point because I'm sure my bosses the
wheels were spinning there and they were thinking, Hey, Ben
Stiller could host this show. Let's get him in, Let's
get bag Lee out. But he was great, He was fantastic.
He talked Pat McAfee, we got into a lot and
he's a really, really legitimate Nick Finn, not a bandwagon
(34:31):
hoperare at all. He's been bleeding orange and blue for
a while.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
So who's next?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Timothy Shallowy Obviously I think he's covered on the show.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Absolutely So it was a scene last.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Night at the garden. Obviously, great win. I need to
start with the defense on Halliburton. Clearly he was bothered
by something. It can't just be hey, we're going home
for Game six. He had an awful game after.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
A historic one. What did you see courtside?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
I think you have to give mchal Ridge's credit, right
because you know he's been kind of a lightning rod
for the Nick fan out there following this team all year,
blaming Bridges for a lot not being satisfied with his play.
But I think Game five he pressured Haliburton. He picked
him up further down the court than they had been
earlier in the series, got into his body, tried to
(35:20):
deny the ball when he was off the ball. It
did well, did really well, pressuring him and really preventing
him from doing much of what he did in game four. Now,
look game six, you know Haliburton is going to take
more than seven shots. You know he's going to be
much more active there. So he's going to adjust how
to the Knicks adjust. But at least for one night
(35:41):
for Game five, you know, Bridges led the Chargers there
and helped slow Haliburton down.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
It also looked like Jalen Brunson was more locked in
fighting through screens. Look at some tough stuff up near
mid court, just pressuring the ball. And I saw the
Pacers shot three for fourteen, which as the primary defender
after he had been I don't know about a turnstyle,
but he had been getting abused there in the series.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Look, the Pacers targeted him, and they targeted Karl Anthony
Towns with the pick and roll, and that was happening
throughout and it happened to game five, and yeah, I
agree with you. I mean, whether it was just simply
being more physical, more locked in, whatever it was, he
was different in dealing with those situations. And he said, look,
(36:25):
that's their game plan, that's what they're going to try
to execute. We have our game plan. That's what we're
going to try to execute. He didn't make too much
of it, but certainly it was noticed in a locker
room the idea that he was Maybe it was a
pride factor, whatever it was, there was intensity, more intensity
from him on that end, and then you saw the
other the end of the floor. He just came out really,
really confident, getting to his spots, knocking shots down in
(36:48):
a big way, giving the Knicks the kind of early
cushion in Game five that they hadn't really enjoyed much
at all over the course of this postseason.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, I'm looking for a third scorer. Sometimes you need
that third guy. We know Brunce is gonna get his,
and Kat probably if he's out of foul trouble. Can
it be og Nnobi? It's almost like he's night and day.
He's only averaging sixteen in the series, not shooting it.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Well from three. Who can be the third guy for
Game six Saturday Night.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Look, he has his nights and he has his off nights.
Talking about og Nnobi Bridges, same thing. Sometimes he's knocking
down that mid range and he gets going from the perimeter,
and sometimes he does not. And so usually it's one
or the other. If the Knicks could get one or
the other going it's going to be a good night.
They give themselves a good chance to win. But when
(37:37):
both of those guys are off those points that we're
talking about, that third scorer that we're talking about, it
gets spread out a little more and it's more difficult
to supplement towns and bruntson and so yeah, on a
good night, it's one of the two of Anonobi and Bridges,
and I think they're gonna need that formula going into
Game six hostile territory in Indy. But I think the
(37:58):
Pacers feel a little pressure there at home because the
last thing you want to do if you're Haliburton in
that group has come back to New York for a
Game seven on Monday one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Let me zoom out on the Knicks for a moment.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
And so if they lose this series, they've got several options, right,
But I will point out the Celtics losing Jason Tatum
kind of opens the East up next year, Right, it's Cavs, Pacers,
Knicks mostly maybe there's a surprise team. But the next day,
essentially could chase the Honest, they could chase Kevin Durant,
They could stand pat and then switch out the coach.
(38:32):
Perhaps they move on from Thibodeau and get Michael Malone,
who's out there in a super Bowl, not Super Bowl,
NBA Finals winning coach. I'm curious your thoughts, like, how
much will what happens in game six and seven matter?
Speaker 6 (38:46):
I think everything matters, But I think particularly when you
get through game five you don't get embarrassed at home
to end the season, I think that resonates, and I
think you know, it's it's it's funny because you zoom
out Jason and you see it Nick.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Team that did.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
Something that no one thought they could do, being the
Boston Celtics in the second round, and here they are
making progress from past years getting to the conference finals.
But the pathway here through Indiana is clear to the finals,
and if you trip yourself up against the Pacers, there's
gonna be you know, hard analysis in the aftermath of that.
But I do think getting through five not getting embarrassed
(39:23):
at home is big. Look you get back to seven,
I think you could make a strong case to just
run it back. Let's bring everybody back, Let's sign bridges
to the extension. Thibodeau has gotten us here, He's on
an extension let's bring him back and let's see how
this group can grow together. But there's always that unknown,
you know, at the top owner James Doan, how is
(39:45):
he going to react to a bad playoff loss or
to a team that's not competing at the level that
he sees that it should compete at. That's something that
you know, you only know when you know. But I
do think them getting to the conference final, getting past
at game five at home, I think it leans more
towards stability for this Nick team than it does any
(40:06):
huge change in the offseason.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
That's a good take.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
I mean, I just watching last time, I'm like, why
didn't Thibodau pick up Halliburton full court the whole series?
Speaker 5 (40:15):
And of course the counter as well. The Knicks bench
has been well.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
He rested Bridges i think for nine minutes in the
second quarter, and it looked like it helped him with
the energy in the second half. Landry Shammitt playing whatever
that's worth. I guess I'll wrap up with this. The
Knicks have a star in Brunson, but if Jannis is
out there and the package is available, don't you kind
of have to part with whoever to get him.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
It's interesting Jason, you know, if we were talking before
the playoffs, I would have set absolutely. If we were
talking in the Detroit series, I would have set absolutely,
even early in the Boston series. But I think they
are at the point now where again, you've passed certain
level of expectations and you've done it with this group,
and there's a good argument to be put together to
(41:03):
keep this thing together, to run it back, to allow
everybody to get more comfortable with one another, because I
think if you can create that hierarchy where it's Brunton
and its towns, and then everybody else kind of fills
in a specific role and buys into that role, you
could see this team being better next season than they
are right now. And you mentioned Boston and East the
(41:25):
East opening up, so yeah, you could make that argument obviously,
town excuse me, honest, if he becomes available and you
have to make the phone call, you have to see
where your land there. And I do think at certain
points in the season Nick people felt like they would
be in the mix there if it came to be honest,
leaving Milwaukee. But given where we are, especially given what
(41:46):
happened Game five there, I think you should lean more
towards running things back and seeing where that gets you.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, all right, big one Saturday night, Ian, I'm sure
you'll be there. Enjoy the game ten built ten Tell
Ben still or in Shallow Bay, I said, what's up.
I'll be wearing my nixt Patrick Ewing Jersey Saturday night, buddy.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
And look, I'll book I'll book Shall May for you.
I got get him on next week.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
So what a good guy day. Take it over for
a booker.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
All right, Ian Begley, great stuff on the next all right,
coming up next hour. Yeah, we haven't talked Chiefs yet.
You know my favorite team in the NFL, Kansas City Chiefs.
Can't wait for that one.
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