December 5, 2024 • 39 mins
Thoughts on the Lakers getting blown out by the Heat last night and what this might mean for LeBron James
Colin shares some interesting context about Caleb Williams in his rookie year and why he's much better than people realize
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's Thursday, Lions Packers tonight. Greg co
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It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Yes,
one hour from now, Greg Cosell, we'll talk about tonight's game,
Packers Lions. We'll get to that in a second. Jmac,
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we witnessed something last night in Los Angeles. It was
actually in Miami. For many people. The curtain is closing,
the end is nigh. Here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
All right, the fuck come on?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
So I want to start today. The Lakers got shelled
last night, lost by forty one points. First it was
Frank Vogel, Get him out of here, he's no good.
Then it was Darvin Ham He's a bomb. And now
JJ Reddick through his first twenty two games. What do
you know, it's the same team as Darvin Ham's first
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twenty two games last season. In fact, offensive guy JJ
Reddick is averaging a pointless Why because there's two truths
about this Laker franchise. The roster's not good and Lebron's
getting older, and they have no chance to win a
championship none. Here's how far the standard has been lowered.
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And this is always how businesses die, the standard. I
was talking to Jimmy Johnson about this a couple of
weeks ago. I asked him to like coaching and college
are pro better? He said, college is more fun. In
pro football, you have to constantly be on your assistant
coaches because they have players. Unlike college where players siphon
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through every three or four years. In the pros, you
can have a linebacker for eight years, a tight end
for nine years, a quarterback for twelve years. You have
to stay on your assistance and coordinators don't be best friends,
be bosses. And that's the truth. The standard is so
low for the Lakers, they just keep letting it go
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lower that their point of pride now is that in
thirteen of the last fourteen games against Denver, they've lost,
but they've kept it close. That's a real thing in
la hey Man. We lose to Denver and Jokich by
this much. That's the standard. It's crazy and how this
is why the Lakers and the Cowboys they've lowered the standard.
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Twelve wins. Dack's a B plus guy. That's the standard
down Dallas. So the Lakers and the Cowboys too many
family members have a role in the organization. The star
of the team Lebron and Deck is paid more than
right now he delivers. Sorry, it's true. You have very
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average rosters that are top heavy, on top all brand,
no braun. That's the Cowboys and the Lakers, and it
all comes down to a lowering of standards. It's why
Jimmy Johnson had to bark constantly. I mean, Austin Reeves stop,
he should be a fifth starter. Well, Dalton connect after
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that one big night, He's averaged eleven a game over
the last two weeks. That's what he is. He shoots
some threes. It's a nice player. It's fun, but he's
probably a four to a five on a really good
basketball team. Derek White is better than both, and he's
a five or a four for the Celtics. They are
winning titles going forward last year and moving forward, So
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it's just the lowering of standards. The Lakers are full
of average athletes. They can't defend the three, that's what
they are. Just got a bunch of average athletes. Last
night was a complete embarrassment. But this year for the
Cowboys has been a complete embarrassment. Too many family members
have important roles in the franchise. The standards have been lowered.
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Like any regressing business, you just settle. You know, I
ain't on my belt. I have to I'll just cut
out another loop in my belt, you know. Just yeah,
I mean, I know I'm now a forty two weights
not a thirty eight. But you know, east pants still,
you know, I can just unbutton the top button. They
mostly fit. So last night it was it was bad.
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And JJ Reddick, the offensive guy whose team is now
averaging less through twenty two games than Darvin Ham the
defensive guys team did. Here's JJ after I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
We're all embarrassed.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
That's not.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's not a game that.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
I thought we had the right fight, the right professionalism.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You know, I'm not sure what was.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Lost in translation, there has to be some ownership on
the court, and I'll take all the ownership in the world.
This is my team and I lead it, and I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, but what are you gonna do? Average roster aging
Lebron That's what it is. So I want to talk
about Caleb Williams, and I think Caleb's having a really
good season. But because the team is foreign, eight people
are freaking out and we do this, we get paralyzed
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on records. It's all about the records. But if you
can textualize anything, and I'll do that later with Lincoln Riley,
but contextual wins. Take out the record for a second.
If I said to you going into this season for
the Chicago Bears, through twelve games with an incompetent franchise,
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a coach so bad that, for the first time ever,
the Bears fired their head coach during the season, if
I said, you know what, through twelve games, h KYLEB.
Williams has as many passing touchdowns as Jalen Hurts. He's
passing for more yards per game than Justin Herbert and
Kyler Murray, and as a higher completion percentage than Trevor Lawrence.
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You'd be kind of impressed, right in the toughest division
in football if I said he has more passer rating
games over one hundred than Patrick Mahomes at this point,
and oh, by the way, just set a rookie all
time record for the most passes thrown without an interception.
It's two hundred and twelve in counting. How would you
look at him? Then? Oh, by the way, he's on
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his second play. His coach just got fired. The offensive
line has gone downhill from a year ago. He set
a rookie record, more one hundred plus passer rating games
than Mahomes, more yards of game than Herbert or Kyler Murray,
as many passing touchdowns as Jalen Hurts with this mess
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of a franchise hovering around him. Oh, by the way,
the last three losses Vikings, Lions, Packers all going to
be playoff teams by a total of seven points. He
didn't give up the hail Mary. And by the way,
he's getting better his last nine games, twelve touchdowns, one pick.
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So again, I used to say this all the time
when Anne and I, you know, the kids are young,
they're like five and seven and eight. Nine kids are
kids right, and if we had, like, you know, a
bad day the kids, something went wrong. I always said,
would we have signed up for this if you would
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have told me our biggest problem in twenty seventeen is
one of our kids got caught doing blank. Would you
have said, that's our biggest problem, You'll sign up now.
Nobody thought this thing was going to be smooth. If
you get out of the record, you know, the best
division in football. They're losing close to Detroit, close to
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Green Bay, close to Minnesota. And here's another thing I like.
I always say this when somebody leaves, don't just judge
Jim Harbaugh's record, what he did at Michigan. What happened
to the Niners when he left? They collapsed In the
last couple days Lincoln Riley's Trojan six and six. There's
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a rumor that other schools are contacting him usc that
de Nos died this year without Caleb. It's not just
where you go, it's what happened to the place you left.
And through all of it, Caleb Williams, he's got a
Dak Prescott quality of Justin Herbert quality. Even through dysfunction,
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He'll go to the microphone and he always says the
right thing. This is after Shane Waldron. He has a
new play caller, Thomas Brown, after Shane Waldron was fired.
Ample opportunities to bury people, and once again he walks
up to the podium and says the right thing.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
They're not going to reinvent the will in a sense.
You know we're mid season and you know that's not
a decision for me.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I have to.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Doing what coach says. I have to do with whatever
decision he makes. I'm gonna have to be fine with it. Well,
I'll be able to adapt, Yes, I will. We will
be able to adapt whatever coach makes decision he makes,
and then you know from there we have to go
out there and executing win games.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, Thomas Brown's now the interim head coach, you won't
be the head coach. But again, whenever you go through
a bad day, it could be with your kids, it
could be at work. Just ask yourself, would you have
signed if that's your worst day? Would you have signed
up for it? I said before the season started, I said,
I think they're gonna win seven games and finish in
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fourth place. It's gonna be turbulent. I don't think eber
Flush is the guy long term, and the division is
the best in football. But I think if you're truthful
and honest, at the end of the year, you'll look
up and go, We've got our quarterback more one hundred
plus passer rating games than Mahomes, more passing yards a
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game than Herbert Kider Murray, better completion percentage than Trevor Lawrence,
as many passing touchdowns as Jalen Hurts. With those weapons
in that offensive line, Yeah, I'd sign up for that.
He's a block kick here and a Hail Mary there
and bad coaching there from being eight and four not
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four and eight. Don't be lies by the record. J
Mac greg Cosell in fifteen minutes. A lot of positivity today,
you know that's the new me. I was thinking about
something we had Joel Klatt on the show yesterday, and
as we've talked about, you know, a game, you know
it's an upset when it's Thursday and we're still talking
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about a Saturday college football game. But I want to
try to center this whole Ryan Day thing.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh okay, because.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
There's a lot of talk good luck with that. Well,
if they lose in the first playoff game, there are
a lot of people in Columbus that think it's time
for a new coach, and so I just want to
offer something to think about. Next Greg Cosell in fifty minutes.
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Rates none of the Bowl. So Ryan Day said he
has no plans to leave Ohio State the disaster. They
may have plans to move off. Ryan Day not saying
that's right, but there's if they lose first game of
the playoff, it's gonna get ugly. I don't think he's
gonna get fired, but it's gonna get ugly. So let's
just start with this premise. There's five percent of any
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industry is elite. After that it's very good, good, capable,
below average, awful, but about five percent is great. So,
now that Mac Brown is leaving North Carolina, there's only
two coaches that have natties in college football, Kirby Smart
and Dabbo Sweeney. Now we've also lost Chris Peterson, Harbaugh,
Urban Meyer, Saban. Those to me are elite, elite coaches,
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they're all gone. So Kirby, Smart and Dabble only coaches
with Natty's. That's the first group. We know they're great coaches.
Then there's the second group that I believe can win
over the course of time a national championship. Kaitlin de Bor,
Josh Heipel, Brian Kelly, Lane Kiff and Dan Lanning, Steve
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Sarkisian don't live in the moment. Brian Kelly's a great coach.
He won ten straight ten plus game seven years in
a row until this past year. Like, get over it.
Every coach, all coaches have bad seasons. So if you
take out Dabbo and Kirby, you go to the second
group people I think can win. Then there's the third
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group that maybe they can but I'm not sure in experience.
Maybe let's go to the third group, and this is
the group I think Ryan Day is in now. Mario
Christobal better recruiter than coach James Franklin, doesn't beat good teams.
Ryan Day likewise, Marcus Freeman really young, Lincoln Riley feels
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like some pop His team's lack of toughness and a grit.
So I had Ryan Day and Lincoln Riley in group
two until this year. I've got new information. I'm not
living in the moment, but Lincoln Riley since Caleb left, somethings.
The recruiting's not as good. The staff needs work. So
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I had Ryan Dan the second category, and then I
watched Michigan Ohio State and that's, as I said, as
bad a loss as I've ever seen. Now. Joel Klatt
came on the show yesterday and defended Ryan Day. Although
Buckeye fans may not agree. Here was Joel's take. Ryan
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is a very good coach.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
I think that there's a mental block with Michigan right now,
and this feels like something that when he gets over
the Homes, it's gonna be big. I mean, harbad didn't
win over Urban Meyer and they stuck with him. You
look at the history of college football and what you'll
see is that most often, even the greatest coaches in
the history of our sport have taken a while to
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win their championship. It took Osbourne quite a while, it
took Bowden quite a while. You know, it's very rare
that you get these guys that win it right away,
like Bob Stoops, Larry Coker. It's generally the opposite guys
take a while. Urban Meyer took a while, Saban it
took a while. So here's where I would disagree.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Brian Kelly had an off season, but he's won everywhere.
He's proven every place he goes, he wins. Ryan Day
never had a previous job, and so all I know
is the information I have, which is he loses big games,
and he's lost four straight to Michigan, and he looks
like he gets out coached. I mean, they scored ten
points against Michigan, Arkansas State scored eighteen points against Michigan,
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Michigan State, Arkansas State, whatever state scored more than ten
points against Michigan. So it's one of those things where
is Ohio State satisfied they're not in Group one now, Natty,
I don't know if you can put Ryan Day in
Group two Lane sark guys, I think Kaylan de bor
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are good enough. Kaylen de Boor got Washington to a
national championship last year with maybe the tenth best rule
foster in college football eight ten, twelve, something like that,
So I think that's where you are if he beats
a Tennessee. So for Ryan Day, the playoff is inarguably
huge because let's say he goes and beats a Josh Hipel,
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who I think is a great young coach. I think
Josh Hipel is good enough to win a Natty. He's
a Tennessee coach. If he can beat Josh Hipel and
they both have great players, and then he can beat
let's say an Alabama or whoever he plays after that,
Kaylen de Boor, then I think I'm good just going
back and putting Ryan Day in the second category and
agreeing with Joel Klatt. It's just Michigan's in his head thing,
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and that's happened before for coaches. But if they get
one and done and Josh Hipel and Kaylin de Boor
and coaches I know can win a tie, I really
feel strongly, then the buck guys have to live with
a Category three coach. J Mack with a news no
no tar on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
This is the herdline news, Colin.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
We must start with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
Unbelievable NFL record fourteen straight one score games. They've been
victorious in the States back to last season. They had
a lucky victory in Week thirteen. I know you love
when I say lucky, but Patrick Mahomes believes that the
close games are actually a good thing for Case heading
into the final stretch of the season.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Keichi motivated, which I think can be a good thing
in the end. I think sometimes I look back on
the year we lost in the Super Bowl, and we
were very dominant throughout the regular season, and it's kind
of getting this point where we started coasting because you're
just you're winning games, you're just kind of doing the
normal thing of it. Whereas if you look at us
last year, even though it didn't go the way we
wanted to, but it's keeping us hungry so that we
can try to continue to get better as the season
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goes on.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I know you've been a doubter on that team, and
one of us is not. They will be in the
AFC Championship guaranteed, guaranteed. Yes, I don't know who they'll play.
My guess is Buffalo, but they'll be in there, guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Just right it down, you're getting a little ahead of
your hee.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You trust Baltimore's defense, inexperience of.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Houston, trust Kansas City's offense.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I gonna tell you something. One of the teams that
matches up with them is the Chargers and they have
no playmakers.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Charges are gonna lose this weekend, right, Yeah, yeah, I'm
on the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I'm on the Chiefs. I'm on the Bills and the
Chiefs are my two favorite plays.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Oh big favorites. Listen.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
I think the Chargers are built, just not right now
without Dobbins. This Lad McConkey thing. They're waiting to see
if he plays or not. But I was reading an
article Colin about how defenses had been playing zone against
the Chargers and they've now with Justic Deman because nobody
can get open. There's like the tight end of the
wide receivers they can't get open. And the Chargers offense
is sagged a little of the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
We'll see. I'm rooting Charmers.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
People aren't considering this either. The Kansas City. Okay, so
pro athletes are young, and young people get over their
skis and into themselves. And even though Mahomes and Travis
Kelcey and Chris Jones are the grown up, that team's
got a lot of young players because they're having to
move off people constantly because they pay Mahomes, Chris Jones
and Kelsey so much so the roster is actually young
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in a lot of spots because it has to be
because you have to get third, fourth, fifth, six rounders
when you pay three guys that much, and Joe Tooney
makes a ton, and so when you're a back to
back champion, is it possible that young men feeling themselves
have to be reminded how long the season is? I
think sometimes we don't. We know in basketball, Kobe and
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Shaq broke up simply over ego. But I think it
exists in the NFL as well. And that's why super
Bowl losers they call it the Super Bowl loser hangover. Why.
I think it's guys that forget how hard it is
to get there. You lose the Super Bowl and you're like, hey, hey,
we're a very good team, and those teams often fall
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off the cliff. The super Bowl winning team often has
a different ascension a Super Bowl losing team, and especially
if it's an NFC team from a weaker conference. Right,
it's like San Francisco super Bowl crash. Super Bowl crash.
So I guess my take is we don't consider this.
They're going for something that's never happened a three peat
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athletes are richer than ever. I think there's mental fatigue.
I think there is ego. I think it's in The
reason teams don't win three in a row is not
just because it's hard, it's because there's the pro athletes
are more distracted. So I just think Kansas City is
a team that's battling things that aren't discussed egos, entitlement,
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money distractions. As a two time champ going for an
NFL record third straight.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
Well, we'll see if they can fix a left tackle issue.
The defense is just the hemorrhaging yards and points. The
last couple of weeks. Let me ask one a final
team you didn't mention in the AFC, and I've been
slow on this team, But how do the Pittsburgh Steelers
match up with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Don't have the ceiling, but pretty well they can keep
the score low. It'll be a low scar game.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I like TJ. Watt's chances coming off the edge.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, no, I think they match up pretty well with him.
I think if you have, like the Chargers have good
edge rushers, the Steelers have good edge rushing that can
give Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Some trouble and offensively, Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
The difference is the Steelers can beat you over the top.
The Chargers can't. That's why the Steelers are a better
matchup on Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Oh my shot.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
You said the Chiefs are being in the AFC Championship game.
I say, if the Steelers play the Chiefs, Steelers win.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay. I don't think it's the craziest thing I've ever heard.
I don't think it's the craziest, not the craziest. I
think Andy Reid would dial up something to figure out
a way to win it.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Tom will be an underdog there, Tomlin underdog.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
No, that's good. That's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
That'd be. I might have to bring out a terrible
towel if they win that game.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
Somebody sent me one, and I will wave it after
the Chiefs go down. Next story is Dak Prescott yesterday
supported McCarthy while driving in his car. Now McCarthy has
chimed in and said that listen, hey, Dak, he kind
of sort of was onto something. But here's McCarthy yesterday.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
I think it's just like anything. You know, we're in
year five of the program. I think we have a
lot of excellent things in place. I think we have
some things that we can do better, and you know,
I think it's that's all part of growing. And it's
no different than the way I felt in year five
and six and my last opportunity. I think it's like
any job in this In this one specifically, I mean
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I that clear understanding of the of the responsibilities. This
is the most input I've ever been a part of
as a head coach in personnel, so particularly in the draft.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Oh no, why why would he say that? Yeah, what
are you doing?
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Everybody out here is blaming Well, Jerry Jones gave him
a crap roster. Can't do anything with this roster, and
now he says he had a lot of input on
the roster.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
What is McCarthy doing.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
I don't love this feels like a big misstep. Well
that was reoverreacting or No. It wasn't a great draft.
It was a draft that was rebuilding offensive line. So
it's a lot of players that people didn't pay attention
to in college. It wasn't a very glamorous draft.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I mean, the Bears get a star quarterback and a
star receive draft. It was a bunch of offensive tackles, and.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
I'm looking at the stats from everybody they've drafted.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
They have.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Four catches for forty four yards and it looks like
nothing significant defensively. How about that they have done anything.
This is the most input you've had. Now he did
get over shown last year.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
That kid looks good. Yeah, number he's got where's number thirteen?
Speaker 8 (23:29):
He's everywhere last year's draft, though, Mazzy Smith first trum
pick and shoemaker is like a backup tight end.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
By the way, Mike McCarthy just announced that Zach Martin
is out for the season. Offensive guard, their best lineman.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
He's probably done in Dallas, right, Tyron Smith type situation
getting old, yep, move on, somebody's going to get him.
Jet's got Tyron Smith had that work out, by the way,
not great. This feels like a bad misstep by McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
He's taking the blame off Jerry Jones. I don't I
don't love that final story to the Jets. I guess
we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
This is very encouraging.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh really, it's a.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Big story, all right.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I guess Coward's into this one.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Let's here's some energy reports indicate Mike Vrabel has told
people this. According to a reporter in New York that
Rabel is open to the Jets vacancy. However, he would
only fill the position if he approves of the GM higher.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
The report adds that Rabel doesn't.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Care about Belichick's opinion of what he Johnson, remember he
kind of said, well that's the owner. They stink, and
that he would interview and decide on his own. Now,
the GM part's interesting. Do you remember in Tennessee the
GM mysteriously traded AJ Brown and the team just went
into a nosed dive and that was it for Rabel.
So he wants to approve essentially who's going to be
controlling the roster.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
And I think that kind of makes sense.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
But I'm gonna go ahead and guess that this is
just a leverage play for Rabel right now.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Maybe interested in.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
The Bears or Ohio State, and he's gonna use the Jets.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
They get used every year. Hey, the Jets want me,
You got to pony up.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
You know.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
I would give Mike Rabel chances landing with the Jets
like three percent.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Okay, you think it's higher than that, yes, because I
think Belichick's not gonna take it. You can't give another
coordinator the job. Woody Johnson's into stars and big names,
and so I think I think my guest says, they'll
go Rabel. I mean, listen, blown away right now, you
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think Rabel's taking this job with Aaron Rodgers's uncertain if
he doesn't get the Chicago job. It's it's one of
the only jobs that has a good roster. They got
good players.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
What if Mike Rabel just wants to live in New Orleans.
You think that's a great city, and his wife's into it, and.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
He thinks I got Derek. I have a much much
better roster in New York, and I may be able
to get more control because of Mickey Loomis and John
Jeff Ireland. You may not have much control in personnel.
They've already got their staf APF all there. He may
not like, he may not connect with those guys in
New York. It's a fresh start. You get big, say,
and you get made, get more leverage. New Orleans has
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their owner, their operations guy, their scouts that that stuff's
all set, and there are other You're an interloper. You're
the new guy in New York. You may be front
and center of the new group.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Do you think this is Rabel trying to convince Woody Listen, man,
you guys are desperate.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I'm a good, proven coach. You want me, I need
to approve the GM hire.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
No, Listen. Rex Ryan on ESPN saying I'm interested. Mike Rabel.
Bill Belichick's essentially auditioning for a job every time he's
on the Manning cast, which is, by the way, I
get it. I totally get it. When you watch these coaches,
you can tell the ones that want to get back
into coaching. They go on chows and tell you, you know,
I'd consider anything well that's done a bad job. I
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actually like that team's roster. They're auditioning for jobs, and
that's fine. I'm not judging, but I mean I watch
I'm watching Belichick and Rex Ryan and various coaches say
things they're looking to get back in.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
So there's an elected official in our country who watches
a lot of television, and when it's time to pick
his cabinet, he's picking guys from TV. Yeah, Woody Johnson's
friends with this guy. It's almost like what he does
and hey, I see tan about on TV.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Let me bring him in Rick Ryan's on TV.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
Oh interesting, Mike Rabel And I wonder if he's just
going to be swayed by what he sees on television,
people saying, Hey, Jet's job's a great one.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Hey can I have GMC? And Woody Johnson is going
to operate that way.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And I would Is that any worse than hiring a
firm to hire your coach?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
A search firm? No, those could be those kind have value.
Have you ever hired a head hunter?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
No? No, Well I think if you're in biotech, you know,
and you're looking globally for a buy, you'd hire a
biotech headhunter. That's different football coaches. There's thirty two jobs.
We know who's good and who's.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
You've got an agent. I have an agent. The agent
does all the legwork.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Right, Yeah, But that's it's just different. It's yeah, I
don't that's not analogous to me. That feels different. I
just think you hire, however you can hire if you
find the right guy who cares. I mean, did it
help Sean Payton that he was on Fox every week
talking about football? Sounded very smart? Is it possible? Because
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I know the Washington commanders were very interested in Sean
Payton and is it very possible their ownership group was
watching him and seeing clips of him and thinking, Jesus,
this guy's really sharp. I absolutely think that matters. I
think a lot of people. I think jj Reddick got
the Lakers job. Part of the reason he got the
Lakers job is that you watch them on TV and
you thought, boy, he's you know, he's sharp, he makes
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good points, he's confrontational, he's friends with Lebron in a podcast.
I think that was a big part of them hiring him.
I really do. And I don't think that's necessarily a
bad thing. I'm not saying you should go to TV
people for jobs, but I think that, I mean, if
you were looking for somebody, and I mean my little
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podcast company. It's amazing where I find people. How I
hear people. Sometimes it's a friend of a friend. Sometimes
I hear it different.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Anybody can look good in sound bites or sound like
they know they're talking about I don't know. There's some
guys out there who are proven entities who have delivered numbers.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
He wins. Rabel's kind of done that.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I don't need to an excellent coach.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
He's excellent.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
He got a number one seat in the AFC with
Ryan Tannehill and I got smoked well by Joe Burrow
and a team that ended up in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I mean, all right, it's not happen.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
They're not getting Raby not They're gonna have to go
down to like third, fourth, fifth option. Nobody wants to
work for Woody Johnson, and nobody wants to work with
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
That sounds very, very very Get.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Aaron Rodgers, get him on the horns.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Hey, Kevin Durant says, you don't need a coach, just
hire Aaron.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
That's right, Kevin Durant, Yeah, it really works well.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
The first time in New York. J Mack with a news.
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of coaching, and you could see it on TV tonight.
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Speaker 1 (30:25):
So Green Bay's at Detroit tonight. I actually it's not
the best of the number, but I would take three
and a half four points with the Packers. I think
what's interesting is we all kind of talk about the
best coaches in football. It's Andy Reid and Sean Payton,
It's McVeigh, it's Shanahan at Jim Harbots, John Harball, we
all kind of Mike Tomlin. We all kind of know
the best coaches, right And for some reason, and I'm
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guilty of this too, I'm like, I don't mention Matt
Lafleur and I in fact, the people will jump on
Dan Campbell and go, look look at Dan Campbell. But
the truth is Aaron Rodgers left Green Bay and the
franchise got better with Jordan Love. That's something. It's also
the youngest roster in the NFL. That's axially good. So
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he's dealing with a lot of kids. But I'll give
you an example of what I think Matt Lafleur's coaching
is all about. I think he's very patient. I think
he really knows offense. So the last two seasons, we
took the first five games of Jordan Love first five
this year that he started. Remember he was banged up,
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and the first five last year that he started this
year and last year first five games he started, and
the numbers are brutal. He's not very good. And then
we took the last for our radio audience basically as
an eighty six passer rating, he's five and five, twenty
three touchdowns, fourteen picks. Then we took the last five
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games he played last year and the last five games
he's played this year, and he's basically Patrick Mahomes. So,
for whatever reasons, Jordan Love has to get rebuilt the
last two years. And clearly the longer he's with Matt Lafleur,
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the better he gets. You know. Compare that to the
longer Caleb Williams was with Shane Waldron, the worse it got.
The longer Russell Wilson was with Nat Hackett, the worse
it got. But with Jordan Love, whatever reasons, he comes
out of the off season and he is choppy. It
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doesn't look good. I mean, it's a backup. The numbers
are fifty nine percent completion percentage, eighty six passer rating.
That's a backup in this league. That's that's not somebody
you'd resign by the end of the season. This season
and last he's Mahomes. He's playing at that kind of level.
So to me, that is what great coaching is, the
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ability over time to take really young players and that
sort of defines the Packers' roster and make them better.
And I don't know why Jordan Love has to get
rebuilt this year. Obviously there were some injuries the year before,
maybe he was just raw. But last two years, end
of the season, it is special and that it's undeniable.
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So I want to talk about something else here, and
I think this is interesting. I was thinking about this
this morning. So yesterday was National Letter of Intent Day
in college football. It doesn't mean as much as it
used to because with the transfer portal now you used
to take twenty five high schoolers. Now teams take like
eighteen high schoolers, sixteen high schoolers, and then they go
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get transfer portal guys, and transfer portal guys are already
in college football kicking butt, so those guys don't miss
very often. If a guy's good at Oregon State, chances
are he's going to be good at Oregon. If a
guy is good at Purdue, chances he'd be good at Iowa.
If a guy is good at Wisconsin and you played
against him, He'll probably be good at Michigan. So the
transfer portal is it's like a real thing. And so
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I used to look at National Letter of Intent Day
as a defining moment for where you were going. I
don't anymore. Yesterday, Lincoln Riley's class, it was fine. They
got the best defensive lineman arguably in the country. That's
a big deal. They haven't done that forever from Louisiana.
But I'm gonna explain something, not to defend him, but
explain something. And here was Lincoln Riley yesterday talking about
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his decent, you know, fifteenth best recruiting class.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
I tell him, I'm a USC trojan man. This is
I'm at the place I want to be.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
So that's that's a non starter.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
It's a non issue.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
That's I'm home, okay. So again, the world's changed in
terms of recruiting. I don't look at yesterday as a
defining day. USC. If they land a great quarterback in
the portal, a couple of linebackers and a wide receiver,
the class will look different. So they're not getting rid
of him. They om ninety million. He's not looking for
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another job. This is not the South where like everybody
like loses sleep if you win or your loose. Oh,
there's a lot of context here. It's Los Angeles. He
took over a program that was a mess. They just
lost Caleb Williams and the offense struggle, and also Jim
Harbaugh's third year at Michigan he pulled back Brian Kelly.
Year seven at Notre Dame was a mess. You know,
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the South is different. Ohio State's different. If you lose
to Michigan, you're on the hot seat. So the concerning
issue for a lot of people is that he's not
doing a good job recruiting la kids. That's the It's
the six and six is not as big a deal
as you think. In eleven of twelve games, USC led
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in the fourth quarter. They're not getting blown out. You
get the same product every week. They just don't have
enough good players. Notre Dame was the first game all
year they didn't have a lead in the fourth quarter.
I think, like eleven of twelve, they're not up down
roller coaster Maryland, Penn State, the LSU, the good teams,
the bad team. They lead in the fourth quarter in
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all of them they lose leads of them. But here
is my I'm going to give you my belief on
what's happening because I've been watching it for two years.
It's not that Lincoln Riley wants to get on a
plane and fly to Louisiana. It's not that Lincoln Riley
wants to get on a plane and fly to Georgia,
and I don't want to do that. He'd want to
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recruit Southern California kids. But maybe he's onto something. So
I've had this discussion with somebody in recruiting that high
school coaching in Southern California is unbelievable. It's really good.
It's like college football. Sometimes the modern days, the boss goes.
The high school coaching is exceptional in Southern California. The
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players are overrated, they're soft at Southern California, they're coach brilliantly.
A five star kid in LA is a four star
kid in Georgia. And a four star kid in LA
and there's a lot of them. Is a three star
kid in Texas. I really believe that. Now, I'm not
going to say that with quarterbacks or wide receivers because
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LA is the seven on seven dreamland. The weather's always
perfect quarterbacks, wide receivers by all means, Alabama, Old Miss, Michigan,
Ohio State, Penn State, come on out here and grab
our kids. But I think Lincoln Riley looks at this
and goes, you know, we've done a little data on this,
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and we don't want to announce it. But a four
star Georgia kid, a four star Texas kid is better
than a four star LA kid. And I don't know
if he's wrong. I do not know if he's wrong.
I mean I could name off the top of my
head and not going to name out kids. Ten five
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star LA kids, none panned out. Most are out of
football four years later. So it's not six and six.
This team took Penn State to overtime, they were driving
for the winning score against Notre Dame, they beat LSU.
It's not man overboard. It's six and six and they're recruiting,
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and I don't think it's the worst plan they did.
Just Land the best quarterback in southern California. You know
they got one of the best corners, receivers, corners, quarterbacks.
LA is great. It's Lawla Land, it's great, interior linemen, linebackers.
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They're going to Michigan interior alignment. They're going to Louisiana
running backs, they're going to Texas and Georgia. I don't
think I don't think that's a bad move necessarily. The
aesthetics are bad, the optics are bad. But I think
Southern California high school coaching is so good, is so
stupendously good. The top programs are so well run. They're
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like colleges that we owever valued the players. Just my thought,
maybe I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Greg Cosell
coming up. J Matt, you get me into recruiting. I
could go for hours and hours. I don't want to
do that. Deon Dawkins of the Buffalo Bills. Funny funny
guys coming by left tackle, great one. Jordan Schultz stopping
by Mike Vrabel. Jets. Don't pooh pooh that just yet.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
J Mack Cowherd is to college football recruiting as I
am to college basketball gambling.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
How about the four and oh last night? You get
those on Instagram? I put them out there.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Dude, you are I've told friends the generaty but still no,
I've told friends the Christmas Tree watching contract.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
You are as good on college basketball, Creighton Basketball, as
anybody in the history of the industry wish I had created.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
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we witnessed something last night in Los Angeles. It was
actually in Miami. For many people. The curtain is closing,
the end is nigh. Here we go.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
All right, the fuck come on?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
So I want to start today. The Lakers got shelled
last night, lost by forty one points. First it was
Frank Vogel, Get him out of here, he's no good.
Then it was Darvin Ham He's a bomb. And now
JJ Reddick through his first twenty two games. What do
you know, it's the same team as Darvin Ham's first
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twenty two games last season. In fact, offensive guy JJ
Reddick is averaging a pointless Why because there's two truths
about this Laker franchise. The roster's not good and Lebron's
getting older, and they have no chance to win a
championship none. Here's how far the standard has been lowered.
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And this is always how businesses die, the standard. I
was talking to Jimmy Johnson about this a couple of
weeks ago. I asked him to like coaching and college
are pro better? He said, college is more fun. In
pro football, you have to constantly be on your assistant
coaches because they have players. Unlike college where players siphon
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through every three or four years. In the pros, you
can have a linebacker for eight years, a tight end
for nine years, a quarterback for twelve years. You have
to stay on your assistance and coordinators don't be best friends,
be bosses. And that's the truth. The standard is so
low for the Lakers, they just keep letting it go
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lower that their point of pride now is that in
thirteen of the last fourteen games against Denver, they've lost,
but they've kept it close. That's a real thing in
la hey Man. We lose to Denver and Jokich by
this much. That's the standard. It's crazy and how this
is why the Lakers and the Cowboys they've lowered the standard.
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Twelve wins. Dack's a B plus guy. That's the standard
down Dallas. So the Lakers and the Cowboys too many
family members have a role in the organization. The star
of the team Lebron and Deck is paid more than
right now he delivers. Sorry, it's true. You have very
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average rosters that are top heavy, on top all brand,
no braun. That's the Cowboys and the Lakers, and it
all comes down to a lowering of standards. It's why
Jimmy Johnson had to bark constantly. I mean, Austin Reeves stop,
he should be a fifth starter. Well, Dalton connect after
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that one big night, He's averaged eleven a game over
the last two weeks. That's what he is. He shoots
some threes. It's a nice player. It's fun, but he's
probably a four to a five on a really good
basketball team. Derek White is better than both, and he's
a five or a four for the Celtics. They are
winning titles going forward last year and moving forward, So
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it's just the lowering of standards. The Lakers are full
of average athletes. They can't defend the three, that's what
they are. Just got a bunch of average athletes. Last
night was a complete embarrassment. But this year for the
Cowboys has been a complete embarrassment. Too many family members
have important roles in the franchise. The standards have been lowered.
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Like any regressing business, you just settle. You know, I
ain't on my belt. I have to I'll just cut
out another loop in my belt, you know. Just yeah,
I mean, I know I'm now a forty two weights
not a thirty eight. But you know, east pants still,
you know, I can just unbutton the top button. They
mostly fit. So last night it was it was bad.
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And JJ Reddick, the offensive guy whose team is now
averaging less through twenty two games than Darvin Ham the
defensive guys team did. Here's JJ after I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
We're all embarrassed.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
That's not.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's not a game that.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
I thought we had the right fight, the right professionalism.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You know, I'm not sure what was.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Lost in translation, there has to be some ownership on
the court, and I'll take all the ownership in the world.
This is my team and I lead it, and I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, but what are you gonna do? Average roster aging
Lebron That's what it is. So I want to talk
about Caleb Williams, and I think Caleb's having a really
good season. But because the team is foreign, eight people
are freaking out and we do this, we get paralyzed
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on records. It's all about the records. But if you
can textualize anything, and I'll do that later with Lincoln Riley,
but contextual wins. Take out the record for a second.
If I said to you going into this season for
the Chicago Bears, through twelve games with an incompetent franchise,
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a coach so bad that, for the first time ever,
the Bears fired their head coach during the season, if
I said, you know what, through twelve games, h KYLEB.
Williams has as many passing touchdowns as Jalen Hurts. He's
passing for more yards per game than Justin Herbert and
Kyler Murray, and as a higher completion percentage than Trevor Lawrence.
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You'd be kind of impressed, right in the toughest division
in football if I said he has more passer rating
games over one hundred than Patrick Mahomes at this point,
and oh, by the way, just set a rookie all
time record for the most passes thrown without an interception.
It's two hundred and twelve in counting. How would you
look at him? Then? Oh, by the way, he's on
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his second play. His coach just got fired. The offensive
line has gone downhill from a year ago. He set
a rookie record, more one hundred plus passer rating games
than Mahomes, more yards of game than Herbert or Kyler Murray,
as many passing touchdowns as Jalen Hurts with this mess
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of a franchise hovering around him. Oh, by the way,
the last three losses Vikings, Lions, Packers all going to
be playoff teams by a total of seven points. He
didn't give up the hail Mary. And by the way,
he's getting better his last nine games, twelve touchdowns, one pick.
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So again, I used to say this all the time
when Anne and I, you know, the kids are young,
they're like five and seven and eight. Nine kids are
kids right, and if we had, like, you know, a
bad day the kids, something went wrong. I always said,
would we have signed up for this if you would
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have told me our biggest problem in twenty seventeen is
one of our kids got caught doing blank. Would you
have said, that's our biggest problem, You'll sign up now.
Nobody thought this thing was going to be smooth. If
you get out of the record, you know, the best
division in football. They're losing close to Detroit, close to
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Green Bay, close to Minnesota. And here's another thing I like.
I always say this when somebody leaves, don't just judge
Jim Harbaugh's record, what he did at Michigan. What happened
to the Niners when he left? They collapsed In the
last couple days Lincoln Riley's Trojan six and six. There's
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a rumor that other schools are contacting him usc that
de Nos died this year without Caleb. It's not just
where you go, it's what happened to the place you left.
And through all of it, Caleb Williams, he's got a
Dak Prescott quality of Justin Herbert quality. Even through dysfunction,
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He'll go to the microphone and he always says the
right thing. This is after Shane Waldron. He has a
new play caller, Thomas Brown, after Shane Waldron was fired.
Ample opportunities to bury people, and once again he walks
up to the podium and says the right thing.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
They're not going to reinvent the will in a sense.
You know we're mid season and you know that's not
a decision for me.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I have to.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Doing what coach says. I have to do with whatever
decision he makes. I'm gonna have to be fine with it. Well,
I'll be able to adapt, Yes, I will. We will
be able to adapt whatever coach makes decision he makes,
and then you know from there we have to go
out there and executing win games.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, Thomas Brown's now the interim head coach, you won't
be the head coach. But again, whenever you go through
a bad day, it could be with your kids, it
could be at work. Just ask yourself, would you have
signed if that's your worst day? Would you have signed
up for it? I said before the season started, I said,
I think they're gonna win seven games and finish in
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fourth place. It's gonna be turbulent. I don't think eber
Flush is the guy long term, and the division is
the best in football. But I think if you're truthful
and honest, at the end of the year, you'll look
up and go, We've got our quarterback more one hundred
plus passer rating games than Mahomes, more passing yards a
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game than Herbert Kider Murray, better completion percentage than Trevor Lawrence,
as many passing touchdowns as Jalen Hurts. With those weapons
in that offensive line, Yeah, I'd sign up for that.
He's a block kick here and a Hail Mary there
and bad coaching there from being eight and four not
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four and eight. Don't be lies by the record. J
Mac greg Cosell in fifteen minutes. A lot of positivity today,
you know that's the new me. I was thinking about
something we had Joel Klatt on the show yesterday, and
as we've talked about, you know, a game, you know
it's an upset when it's Thursday and we're still talking
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about a Saturday college football game. But I want to
try to center this whole Ryan Day thing.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh okay, because.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
There's a lot of talk good luck with that. Well,
if they lose in the first playoff game, there are
a lot of people in Columbus that think it's time
for a new coach, and so I just want to
offer something to think about. Next Greg Cosell in fifty minutes.
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You're now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible Great
Rates none of the Bowl. So Ryan Day said he
has no plans to leave Ohio State the disaster. They
may have plans to move off. Ryan Day not saying
that's right, but there's if they lose first game of
the playoff, it's gonna get ugly. I don't think he's
gonna get fired, but it's gonna get ugly. So let's
just start with this premise. There's five percent of any
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industry is elite. After that it's very good, good, capable,
below average, awful, but about five percent is great. So,
now that Mac Brown is leaving North Carolina, there's only
two coaches that have natties in college football, Kirby Smart
and Dabbo Sweeney. Now we've also lost Chris Peterson, Harbaugh,
Urban Meyer, Saban. Those to me are elite, elite coaches,
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they're all gone. So Kirby, Smart and Dabble only coaches
with Natty's. That's the first group. We know they're great coaches.
Then there's the second group that I believe can win
over the course of time a national championship. Kaitlin de Bor,
Josh Heipel, Brian Kelly, Lane Kiff and Dan Lanning, Steve
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Sarkisian don't live in the moment. Brian Kelly's a great coach.
He won ten straight ten plus game seven years in
a row until this past year. Like, get over it.
Every coach, all coaches have bad seasons. So if you
take out Dabbo and Kirby, you go to the second
group people I think can win. Then there's the third
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group that maybe they can but I'm not sure in experience.
Maybe let's go to the third group, and this is
the group I think Ryan Day is in now. Mario
Christobal better recruiter than coach James Franklin, doesn't beat good teams.
Ryan Day likewise, Marcus Freeman really young, Lincoln Riley feels
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like some pop His team's lack of toughness and a grit.
So I had Ryan Day and Lincoln Riley in group
two until this year. I've got new information. I'm not
living in the moment, but Lincoln Riley since Caleb left, somethings.
The recruiting's not as good. The staff needs work. So
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I had Ryan Dan the second category, and then I
watched Michigan Ohio State and that's, as I said, as
bad a loss as I've ever seen. Now. Joel Klatt
came on the show yesterday and defended Ryan Day. Although
Buckeye fans may not agree. Here was Joel's take. Ryan
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is a very good coach.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
I think that there's a mental block with Michigan right now,
and this feels like something that when he gets over
the Homes, it's gonna be big. I mean, harbad didn't
win over Urban Meyer and they stuck with him. You
look at the history of college football and what you'll
see is that most often, even the greatest coaches in
the history of our sport have taken a while to
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win their championship. It took Osbourne quite a while, it
took Bowden quite a while. You know, it's very rare
that you get these guys that win it right away,
like Bob Stoops, Larry Coker. It's generally the opposite guys
take a while. Urban Meyer took a while, Saban it
took a while. So here's where I would disagree.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Brian Kelly had an off season, but he's won everywhere.
He's proven every place he goes, he wins. Ryan Day
never had a previous job, and so all I know
is the information I have, which is he loses big games,
and he's lost four straight to Michigan, and he looks
like he gets out coached. I mean, they scored ten
points against Michigan, Arkansas State scored eighteen points against Michigan,
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Michigan State, Arkansas State, whatever state scored more than ten
points against Michigan. So it's one of those things where
is Ohio State satisfied they're not in Group one now, Natty,
I don't know if you can put Ryan Day in
Group two Lane sark guys, I think Kaylan de bor
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are good enough. Kaylen de Boor got Washington to a
national championship last year with maybe the tenth best rule
foster in college football eight ten, twelve, something like that,
So I think that's where you are if he beats
a Tennessee. So for Ryan Day, the playoff is inarguably
huge because let's say he goes and beats a Josh Hipel,
(16:14):
who I think is a great young coach. I think
Josh Hipel is good enough to win a Natty. He's
a Tennessee coach. If he can beat Josh Hipel and
they both have great players, and then he can beat
let's say an Alabama or whoever he plays after that,
Kaylen de Boor, then I think I'm good just going
back and putting Ryan Day in the second category and
agreeing with Joel Klatt. It's just Michigan's in his head thing,
(16:38):
and that's happened before for coaches. But if they get
one and done and Josh Hipel and Kaylin de Boor
and coaches I know can win a tie, I really
feel strongly, then the buck guys have to live with
a Category three coach. J Mack with a news no
no tar on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
This is the herdline news, Colin.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
We must start with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
Unbelievable NFL record fourteen straight one score games. They've been
victorious in the States back to last season. They had
a lucky victory in Week thirteen. I know you love
when I say lucky, but Patrick Mahomes believes that the
close games are actually a good thing for Case heading
into the final stretch of the season.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Keichi motivated, which I think can be a good thing
in the end. I think sometimes I look back on
the year we lost in the Super Bowl, and we
were very dominant throughout the regular season, and it's kind
of getting this point where we started coasting because you're
just you're winning games, you're just kind of doing the
normal thing of it. Whereas if you look at us
last year, even though it didn't go the way we
wanted to, but it's keeping us hungry so that we
can try to continue to get better as the season
(17:45):
goes on.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I know you've been a doubter on that team, and
one of us is not. They will be in the
AFC Championship guaranteed, guaranteed. Yes, I don't know who they'll play.
My guess is Buffalo, but they'll be in there, guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Just right it down, you're getting a little ahead of
your hee.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You trust Baltimore's defense, inexperience of.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Houston, trust Kansas City's offense.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I gonna tell you something. One of the teams that
matches up with them is the Chargers and they have
no playmakers.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Charges are gonna lose this weekend, right, Yeah, yeah, I'm
on the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I'm on the Chiefs. I'm on the Bills and the
Chiefs are my two favorite plays.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Oh big favorites. Listen.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
I think the Chargers are built, just not right now
without Dobbins. This Lad McConkey thing. They're waiting to see
if he plays or not. But I was reading an
article Colin about how defenses had been playing zone against
the Chargers and they've now with Justic Deman because nobody
can get open. There's like the tight end of the
wide receivers they can't get open. And the Chargers offense
is sagged a little of the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
We'll see. I'm rooting Charmers.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
People aren't considering this either. The Kansas City. Okay, so
pro athletes are young, and young people get over their
skis and into themselves. And even though Mahomes and Travis
Kelcey and Chris Jones are the grown up, that team's
got a lot of young players because they're having to
move off people constantly because they pay Mahomes, Chris Jones
and Kelsey so much so the roster is actually young
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in a lot of spots because it has to be
because you have to get third, fourth, fifth, six rounders
when you pay three guys that much, and Joe Tooney
makes a ton, and so when you're a back to
back champion, is it possible that young men feeling themselves
have to be reminded how long the season is? I
think sometimes we don't. We know in basketball, Kobe and
(19:31):
Shaq broke up simply over ego. But I think it
exists in the NFL as well. And that's why super
Bowl losers they call it the Super Bowl loser hangover. Why.
I think it's guys that forget how hard it is
to get there. You lose the Super Bowl and you're like, hey, hey,
we're a very good team, and those teams often fall
(19:53):
off the cliff. The super Bowl winning team often has
a different ascension a Super Bowl losing team, and especially
if it's an NFC team from a weaker conference. Right,
it's like San Francisco super Bowl crash. Super Bowl crash.
So I guess my take is we don't consider this.
They're going for something that's never happened a three peat
(20:14):
athletes are richer than ever. I think there's mental fatigue.
I think there is ego. I think it's in The
reason teams don't win three in a row is not
just because it's hard, it's because there's the pro athletes
are more distracted. So I just think Kansas City is
a team that's battling things that aren't discussed egos, entitlement,
(20:36):
money distractions. As a two time champ going for an
NFL record third straight.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
Well, we'll see if they can fix a left tackle issue.
The defense is just the hemorrhaging yards and points. The
last couple of weeks. Let me ask one a final
team you didn't mention in the AFC, and I've been
slow on this team, But how do the Pittsburgh Steelers
match up with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Don't have the ceiling, but pretty well they can keep
the score low. It'll be a low scar game.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I like TJ. Watt's chances coming off the edge.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, no, I think they match up pretty well with him.
I think if you have, like the Chargers have good
edge rushers, the Steelers have good edge rushing that can
give Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Some trouble and offensively, Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
The difference is the Steelers can beat you over the top.
The Chargers can't. That's why the Steelers are a better
matchup on Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Oh my shot.
Speaker 8 (21:22):
You said the Chiefs are being in the AFC Championship game.
I say, if the Steelers play the Chiefs, Steelers win.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay. I don't think it's the craziest thing I've ever heard.
I don't think it's the craziest, not the craziest. I
think Andy Reid would dial up something to figure out
a way to win it.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Tom will be an underdog there, Tomlin underdog.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
No, that's good. That's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
That'd be. I might have to bring out a terrible
towel if they win that game.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
Somebody sent me one, and I will wave it after
the Chiefs go down. Next story is Dak Prescott yesterday
supported McCarthy while driving in his car. Now McCarthy has
chimed in and said that listen, hey, Dak, he kind
of sort of was onto something. But here's McCarthy yesterday.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
I think it's just like anything. You know, we're in
year five of the program. I think we have a
lot of excellent things in place. I think we have
some things that we can do better, and you know,
I think it's that's all part of growing. And it's
no different than the way I felt in year five
and six and my last opportunity. I think it's like
any job in this In this one specifically, I mean
(22:25):
I that clear understanding of the of the responsibilities. This
is the most input I've ever been a part of
as a head coach in personnel, so particularly in the draft.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Oh no, why why would he say that? Yeah, what
are you doing?
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Everybody out here is blaming Well, Jerry Jones gave him
a crap roster. Can't do anything with this roster, and
now he says he had a lot of input on
the roster.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
What is McCarthy doing.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
I don't love this feels like a big misstep. Well
that was reoverreacting or No. It wasn't a great draft.
It was a draft that was rebuilding offensive line. So
it's a lot of players that people didn't pay attention
to in college. It wasn't a very glamorous draft.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I mean, the Bears get a star quarterback and a
star receive draft. It was a bunch of offensive tackles, and.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
I'm looking at the stats from everybody they've drafted.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
They have.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Four catches for forty four yards and it looks like
nothing significant defensively. How about that they have done anything.
This is the most input you've had. Now he did
get over shown last year.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
That kid looks good. Yeah, number he's got where's number thirteen?
Speaker 8 (23:29):
He's everywhere last year's draft, though, Mazzy Smith first trum
pick and shoemaker is like a backup tight end.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
By the way, Mike McCarthy just announced that Zach Martin
is out for the season. Offensive guard, their best lineman.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
He's probably done in Dallas, right, Tyron Smith type situation
getting old, yep, move on, somebody's going to get him.
Jet's got Tyron Smith had that work out, by the way,
not great. This feels like a bad misstep by McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
He's taking the blame off Jerry Jones. I don't I
don't love that final story to the Jets. I guess
we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
This is very encouraging.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh really, it's a.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Big story, all right.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I guess Coward's into this one.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Let's here's some energy reports indicate Mike Vrabel has told
people this. According to a reporter in New York that
Rabel is open to the Jets vacancy. However, he would
only fill the position if he approves of the GM higher.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
The report adds that Rabel doesn't.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Care about Belichick's opinion of what he Johnson, remember he
kind of said, well that's the owner. They stink, and
that he would interview and decide on his own. Now,
the GM part's interesting. Do you remember in Tennessee the
GM mysteriously traded AJ Brown and the team just went
into a nosed dive and that was it for Rabel.
So he wants to approve essentially who's going to be
controlling the roster.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
And I think that kind of makes sense.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
But I'm gonna go ahead and guess that this is
just a leverage play for Rabel right now.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Maybe interested in.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
The Bears or Ohio State, and he's gonna use the Jets.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
They get used every year. Hey, the Jets want me,
You got to pony up.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
You know.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
I would give Mike Rabel chances landing with the Jets
like three percent.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Okay, you think it's higher than that, yes, because I
think Belichick's not gonna take it. You can't give another
coordinator the job. Woody Johnson's into stars and big names,
and so I think I think my guest says, they'll
go Rabel. I mean, listen, blown away right now, you
(25:34):
think Rabel's taking this job with Aaron Rodgers's uncertain if
he doesn't get the Chicago job. It's it's one of
the only jobs that has a good roster. They got
good players.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
What if Mike Rabel just wants to live in New Orleans.
You think that's a great city, and his wife's into it, and.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
He thinks I got Derek. I have a much much
better roster in New York, and I may be able
to get more control because of Mickey Loomis and John
Jeff Ireland. You may not have much control in personnel.
They've already got their staf APF all there. He may
not like, he may not connect with those guys in
New York. It's a fresh start. You get big, say,
and you get made, get more leverage. New Orleans has
(26:09):
their owner, their operations guy, their scouts that that stuff's
all set, and there are other You're an interloper. You're
the new guy in New York. You may be front
and center of the new group.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Do you think this is Rabel trying to convince Woody Listen, man,
you guys are desperate.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I'm a good, proven coach. You want me, I need
to approve the GM hire.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
No, Listen. Rex Ryan on ESPN saying I'm interested. Mike Rabel.
Bill Belichick's essentially auditioning for a job every time he's
on the Manning cast, which is, by the way, I
get it. I totally get it. When you watch these coaches,
you can tell the ones that want to get back
into coaching. They go on chows and tell you, you know,
I'd consider anything well that's done a bad job. I
(26:50):
actually like that team's roster. They're auditioning for jobs, and
that's fine. I'm not judging, but I mean I watch
I'm watching Belichick and Rex Ryan and various coaches say
things they're looking to get back in.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
So there's an elected official in our country who watches
a lot of television, and when it's time to pick
his cabinet, he's picking guys from TV. Yeah, Woody Johnson's
friends with this guy. It's almost like what he does
and hey, I see tan about on TV.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Let me bring him in Rick Ryan's on TV.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
Oh interesting, Mike Rabel And I wonder if he's just
going to be swayed by what he sees on television,
people saying, Hey, Jet's job's a great one.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Hey can I have GMC? And Woody Johnson is going
to operate that way.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And I would Is that any worse than hiring a
firm to hire your coach?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
A search firm? No, those could be those kind have value.
Have you ever hired a head hunter?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
No? No, Well I think if you're in biotech, you know,
and you're looking globally for a buy, you'd hire a
biotech headhunter. That's different football coaches. There's thirty two jobs.
We know who's good and who's.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
You've got an agent. I have an agent. The agent
does all the legwork.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Right, Yeah, But that's it's just different. It's yeah, I
don't that's not analogous to me. That feels different. I
just think you hire, however you can hire if you
find the right guy who cares. I mean, did it
help Sean Payton that he was on Fox every week
talking about football? Sounded very smart? Is it possible? Because
(28:17):
I know the Washington commanders were very interested in Sean
Payton and is it very possible their ownership group was
watching him and seeing clips of him and thinking, Jesus,
this guy's really sharp. I absolutely think that matters. I
think a lot of people. I think jj Reddick got
the Lakers job. Part of the reason he got the
Lakers job is that you watch them on TV and
you thought, boy, he's you know, he's sharp, he makes
(28:40):
good points, he's confrontational, he's friends with Lebron in a podcast.
I think that was a big part of them hiring him.
I really do. And I don't think that's necessarily a
bad thing. I'm not saying you should go to TV
people for jobs, but I think that, I mean, if
you were looking for somebody, and I mean my little
(29:00):
podcast company. It's amazing where I find people. How I
hear people. Sometimes it's a friend of a friend. Sometimes
I hear it different.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Anybody can look good in sound bites or sound like
they know they're talking about I don't know. There's some
guys out there who are proven entities who have delivered numbers.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
He wins. Rabel's kind of done that.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I don't need to an excellent coach.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
He's excellent.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
He got a number one seat in the AFC with
Ryan Tannehill and I got smoked well by Joe Burrow
and a team that ended up in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I mean, all right, it's not happen.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
They're not getting Raby not They're gonna have to go
down to like third, fourth, fifth option. Nobody wants to
work for Woody Johnson, and nobody wants to work with
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
That sounds very, very very Get.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Aaron Rodgers, get him on the horns.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Hey, Kevin Durant says, you don't need a coach, just
hire Aaron.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
That's right, Kevin Durant, Yeah, it really works well.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
The first time in New York. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. That's
the Herd Line.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
New I'll give you an example of great coaching, speaking
of coaching, and you could see it on TV tonight.
You'll see it.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
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Speaker 1 (30:25):
So Green Bay's at Detroit tonight. I actually it's not
the best of the number, but I would take three
and a half four points with the Packers. I think
what's interesting is we all kind of talk about the
best coaches in football. It's Andy Reid and Sean Payton,
It's McVeigh, it's Shanahan at Jim Harbots, John Harball, we
all kind of Mike Tomlin. We all kind of know
the best coaches, right And for some reason, and I'm
(30:45):
guilty of this too, I'm like, I don't mention Matt
Lafleur and I in fact, the people will jump on
Dan Campbell and go, look look at Dan Campbell. But
the truth is Aaron Rodgers left Green Bay and the
franchise got better with Jordan Love. That's something. It's also
the youngest roster in the NFL. That's axially good. So
(31:05):
he's dealing with a lot of kids. But I'll give
you an example of what I think Matt Lafleur's coaching
is all about. I think he's very patient. I think
he really knows offense. So the last two seasons, we
took the first five games of Jordan Love first five
this year that he started. Remember he was banged up,
(31:25):
and the first five last year that he started this
year and last year first five games he started, and
the numbers are brutal. He's not very good. And then
we took the last for our radio audience basically as
an eighty six passer rating, he's five and five, twenty
three touchdowns, fourteen picks. Then we took the last five
(31:49):
games he played last year and the last five games
he's played this year, and he's basically Patrick Mahomes. So,
for whatever reasons, Jordan Love has to get rebuilt the
last two years. And clearly the longer he's with Matt Lafleur,
(32:09):
the better he gets. You know. Compare that to the
longer Caleb Williams was with Shane Waldron, the worse it got.
The longer Russell Wilson was with Nat Hackett, the worse
it got. But with Jordan Love, whatever reasons, he comes
out of the off season and he is choppy. It
(32:31):
doesn't look good. I mean, it's a backup. The numbers
are fifty nine percent completion percentage, eighty six passer rating.
That's a backup in this league. That's that's not somebody
you'd resign by the end of the season. This season
and last he's Mahomes. He's playing at that kind of level.
So to me, that is what great coaching is, the
(32:52):
ability over time to take really young players and that
sort of defines the Packers' roster and make them better.
And I don't know why Jordan Love has to get
rebuilt this year. Obviously there were some injuries the year before,
maybe he was just raw. But last two years, end
of the season, it is special and that it's undeniable.
(33:14):
So I want to talk about something else here, and
I think this is interesting. I was thinking about this
this morning. So yesterday was National Letter of Intent Day
in college football. It doesn't mean as much as it
used to because with the transfer portal now you used
to take twenty five high schoolers. Now teams take like
eighteen high schoolers, sixteen high schoolers, and then they go
(33:35):
get transfer portal guys, and transfer portal guys are already
in college football kicking butt, so those guys don't miss
very often. If a guy's good at Oregon State, chances
are he's going to be good at Oregon. If a
guy is good at Purdue, chances he'd be good at Iowa.
If a guy is good at Wisconsin and you played
against him, He'll probably be good at Michigan. So the
transfer portal is it's like a real thing. And so
(33:55):
I used to look at National Letter of Intent Day
as a defining moment for where you were going. I
don't anymore. Yesterday, Lincoln Riley's class, it was fine. They
got the best defensive lineman arguably in the country. That's
a big deal. They haven't done that forever from Louisiana.
But I'm gonna explain something, not to defend him, but
explain something. And here was Lincoln Riley yesterday talking about
(34:18):
his decent, you know, fifteenth best recruiting class.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
I tell him, I'm a USC trojan man. This is
I'm at the place I want to be.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
So that's that's a non starter.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
It's a non issue.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
That's I'm home, okay. So again, the world's changed in
terms of recruiting. I don't look at yesterday as a
defining day. USC. If they land a great quarterback in
the portal, a couple of linebackers and a wide receiver,
the class will look different. So they're not getting rid
of him. They om ninety million. He's not looking for
(34:53):
another job. This is not the South where like everybody
like loses sleep if you win or your loose. Oh,
there's a lot of context here. It's Los Angeles. He
took over a program that was a mess. They just
lost Caleb Williams and the offense struggle, and also Jim
Harbaugh's third year at Michigan he pulled back Brian Kelly.
Year seven at Notre Dame was a mess. You know,
(35:16):
the South is different. Ohio State's different. If you lose
to Michigan, you're on the hot seat. So the concerning
issue for a lot of people is that he's not
doing a good job recruiting la kids. That's the It's
the six and six is not as big a deal
as you think. In eleven of twelve games, USC led
(35:38):
in the fourth quarter. They're not getting blown out. You
get the same product every week. They just don't have
enough good players. Notre Dame was the first game all
year they didn't have a lead in the fourth quarter.
I think, like eleven of twelve, they're not up down
roller coaster Maryland, Penn State, the LSU, the good teams,
the bad team. They lead in the fourth quarter in
(35:58):
all of them they lose leads of them. But here
is my I'm going to give you my belief on
what's happening because I've been watching it for two years.
It's not that Lincoln Riley wants to get on a
plane and fly to Louisiana. It's not that Lincoln Riley
wants to get on a plane and fly to Georgia,
and I don't want to do that. He'd want to
(36:19):
recruit Southern California kids. But maybe he's onto something. So
I've had this discussion with somebody in recruiting that high
school coaching in Southern California is unbelievable. It's really good.
It's like college football. Sometimes the modern days, the boss goes.
The high school coaching is exceptional in Southern California. The
(36:44):
players are overrated, they're soft at Southern California, they're coach brilliantly.
A five star kid in LA is a four star
kid in Georgia. And a four star kid in LA
and there's a lot of them. Is a three star
kid in Texas. I really believe that. Now, I'm not
going to say that with quarterbacks or wide receivers because
(37:08):
LA is the seven on seven dreamland. The weather's always
perfect quarterbacks, wide receivers by all means, Alabama, Old Miss, Michigan,
Ohio State, Penn State, come on out here and grab
our kids. But I think Lincoln Riley looks at this
and goes, you know, we've done a little data on this,
(37:29):
and we don't want to announce it. But a four
star Georgia kid, a four star Texas kid is better
than a four star LA kid. And I don't know
if he's wrong. I do not know if he's wrong.
I mean I could name off the top of my
head and not going to name out kids. Ten five
(37:51):
star LA kids, none panned out. Most are out of
football four years later. So it's not six and six.
This team took Penn State to overtime, they were driving
for the winning score against Notre Dame, they beat LSU.
It's not man overboard. It's six and six and they're recruiting,
(38:14):
and I don't think it's the worst plan they did.
Just Land the best quarterback in southern California. You know
they got one of the best corners, receivers, corners, quarterbacks.
LA is great. It's Lawla Land, it's great, interior linemen, linebackers.
(38:34):
They're going to Michigan interior alignment. They're going to Louisiana
running backs, they're going to Texas and Georgia. I don't
think I don't think that's a bad move necessarily. The
aesthetics are bad, the optics are bad. But I think
Southern California high school coaching is so good, is so
stupendously good. The top programs are so well run. They're
(38:57):
like colleges that we owever valued the players. Just my thought,
maybe I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Greg Cosell
coming up. J Matt, you get me into recruiting. I
could go for hours and hours. I don't want to
do that. Deon Dawkins of the Buffalo Bills. Funny funny
guys coming by left tackle, great one. Jordan Schultz stopping
by Mike Vrabel. Jets. Don't pooh pooh that just yet.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
J Mack Cowherd is to college football recruiting as I
am to college basketball gambling.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
How about the four and oh last night? You get
those on Instagram? I put them out there.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Dude, you are I've told friends the generaty but still no,
I've told friends the Christmas Tree watching contract.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
You are as good on college basketball, Creighton Basketball, as
anybody in the history of the industry wish I had created.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Last night, Kansas
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