May 22, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin discusses Tyrese Haliburton's ridiculous night at the Garden and whether the Knicks chocked away Game 1
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh wow, it's a Thursday show. We are live. It's
The Herd wherever you may be and however you may
be watching or listening. That was an all timer last night.
Epics is overrated. It was that plus jet fuel. It's
the Herd. That is one of the great playoff games,
not just played in New York. Hi, I gotta tell
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you something. I'm sitting there watching it, and I'm the
first half, Like, at one point both teams were shooting
like sixty five percent in the first half. I'm like
blood him by watching of AAU basketball, nobody wanted to
d up. And then in the second half Jmack when
they were ding up, it didn't matter. The Pacers caught fire.
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It's it's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
One that's certainly an all time great playoff game in
the NBA and Tyrese Halibert and Collin is he a
top ten player at this point with this guy just
doesn't miss in the kluts.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
He's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Okay, So the Knicks had a fourteen point lead, wasn't
much time left, and they lost in overtime. But I'm
gonna defend the Knicks. They did not choke. The Knicks
had three baskets and two free throws in the final
three minutes. They scored enough. Now, they had some bad turnovers,
but they scored enough. The story of the game is
give the Pacers credit. That was insane. They couldn't miss
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in the last six minutes. They shot over seventy percent
and they were hard shots. Aaron Nesmith six straight threes,
three in the final minute. Now, this team plays with
pace and tempo, so they score fast. We know that
they've done it all season, and they're a great clutch
team because of Halle. They're thirty one and two when
they score one hundred and twenty points or more. So
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you do not want to get into a track meet
with the Pacers. That's Milwaukee tried it, Cleveland tried it,
The Knicks tried it. Don't they never get tired. I'm like,
I'm watching ninth graders, like they never get tired. Charles
Barkley said it at halftime. This pace totally favors Indiana.
And what's remarkable about Haliburton and Indy is they play
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at this pace and they don't turn it over. Then
seven turnovers on the road against the Knick size and
the Knicks tenacity. Seven turnovers, Jalen brunts and a loan
ad seven So what you wanted last night? And I said,
I think Indy's gonna win the series. This is this
is what they did the Milwaukee. This is what they
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did the Cleveland. They're controlling the tempo. Listen, give the
next credit Nix to have one. They shot fifty one percent.
They got a bad bounce, And I think last night
New York beats every in the league except Halliburton, the
Pacers and maybe Okac. Halliburton got the bounce. Nie Smith
was unbelievable. How about the gone Zaga kid, Nemhart multiple
threes late, Obi topping, I mean, just everything worked for
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them late. But I'll tell you Halliburton is amazing because
he reminds me of Steve Nash Steve Nash won an
MVP averaging fifteen a game. The next year he won
another MVP, averaging eighteen a game. But Steve Nash, one
of the smartest athletes I've ever met, had unbelievable self awareness.
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And that's Halliburton. What do you need all provide? The
guy plays with zero fear, but his self awareness he
knows what the clock is is uncanny. The choke sign,
I love it, bring it on, but he is an
all timer man. He is the aggressor. He can play
with physicality and again we can bang on the next
but in the last six minutes of the fourth and overtime,
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they they're twenty four points. The Pacers scored forty four
on seventy two percent shooting. That is unheard of. The
Knicks should have won. Now, the Knicks had too many turnovers,
but I think I think this comes down to Halliburton
and the Pacers play with the aggressiveness that I think
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Celtic fans wish Tatum and Boston did, like they just
played Downhill and Lamar Jackson could throw forty eight times
a game and win. But that's not how Lamar and
the Ravens are built. They're a power football team with
Derrick Henry. The Knicks stayed in this game, shot fifty
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one percent. But this is going to be a six
or seven game series. This is not what the Knicks are.
And yesterday on this show, I kept saying over and
over the Pacers play the fastest pace in the league.
What a perfect name for a team. Last three years,
Knicks are the slowest team. That's not a bad thing
for the playoffs. Half court offense is great. They played
the slowest pace. Whoever wins the pace will win this series.
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And the Knicks almost pulled it off. But if you
remember last year when these two teams played, what happened.
Indiana played really really quick, up tempo and over time
the Knicks swore, wore down, just didn't have the body.
So in these got more bodies. They're built for this.
Their guys are in their prime. Halliburton controlled it like
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he did against Cleveland, like he did against the Bucks.
The Knicks almost pulled it off. But here's Halley after.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Basketball is fun.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
They're all winning his fun and uh Rob, you.
Speaker 7 (05:38):
Know, I'm so proud of the resilience of this group.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We're showing it all year. We had to win in
so many different, random, unique ways. I'd today. We just
kept kept.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Going, kept fighting, and uh man, that's that's one.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
There's Halliburton's is a lot like Steve Nash, and that
everybody that played with Steve Nash was at their best.
He'd give you fifteen, but he elevated everybody. James Harden
scored a lot of guys that score Halliburton. This is
a one star team with a bunch of B plus players.
But what's amazing is the B plus players for Indiana.
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Because of Halliburton and self awareness and movement and pace,
they're all playing at an a level like all of
Indiana's players are rising to the moment. This is not
about the Knicks not playing well. This is about Indiana
being on fire and making a remarkable number of big shots.
If you did not hear the final call, we'll give
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it to you from the Pacers Radio network.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Halliburton driving, he's in the lane, he nearly lost, and
he backs up and unloads a three.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
That did not happen.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It hit the back of the rim, It popped high
into the air.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
And it dropctely through the net and the Pacers and
the scoreboard chills.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
One twenty five to one. It's called a two point shot.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So it's just it's an incredible moment. And I'll get
to two things that worry me about the Knicks going forward.
Let's now talk about Brunson. So Jalen had forty three
points and you say to yourself, that's a great night.
But he had seven turnovers. Why because he's playing faster
than he's used to. That's the most turnovers Jalen Brunson
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has had all season. And he also got into foul trouble. Again.
We're asking somebody who can type forty words a minute
to type sixty. You know, it's just this isn't what
he's built for. Brunson and Haliburton are two very different players.
Brunson's a score, small, strong. He uses, you know, his leverage,
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he uses his hips, he does that mid post game.
He just plays way bigger than his height. But he
is a scorer and a finisher. He sometimes is plotting.
He wants to get you in that half court. He
wants to work you. He's gonna work his shoulders, he's
gonna work his hips. Halliburton's different. He's long, gangly, herky jerki.
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It's kind of awkward. He's strong and can use it
a couple of times on occasion. But what he is,
he's the pace car. He is the guy that's gonna okay,
I'm gonna tell you how fast we're all gonna play,
and you can't stop him because he's just so long
and gangly. He's a very awkward player. He's hard to defend.
The two things that worry me about New York after
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last night, First of all, Karl Anthony Towns. That's about
as good as he can play in the playoffs. He
was efficient. He's not always efficient. He hit his threes,
he didn't get in foul trouble. You know, Kat gets
in foul trouble. Kat does dumb fouls. He's a really
good offensive player, but through his career he drives you nuts.
I thought Kat last night was spectacular. I don't know
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if he can duplicate that. I just don't know if
he can play any better than that. It was fun
watching it. The second thing is Brunson gonna say, hey, man,
I got forty three, I'm gonna play this temple. We're scoring.
We should have won the game. They could talk themselves
into that. So but again I'll say it last year
when these two teams played in the end of the series.
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I mean, Brunson last night, because of foul trouble, played
the fewest minutes of any New York Knicks starter. That
is not what you want. I don't care if he
scored forty three points and to lose in overtime when
you have the shorter bench game one, you blow a
pretty big lead at that pace. I didn't love it.
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That's a game it feels like for the road team
to win that game and control the tempo. Didn't love
it for New York. Here's Brunson after.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Give them a lot of credit.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
They closed the game out like they've been doing the
all playoffs. Just not really good on our part for
all the players, and I know it wasn't a huge number,
but for the players that said Haliburton is overrated, check yourself,
because when I'm watching and we were sitting there tying,
I mean, I look at all I look at the
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box score, and the difference is Nick's had twice as
many turnovers and a couple costly ones in overtime. That's
your ballgame. But I'm gonna push back. I'm gonna push
back on the choke thing. The Knicks scored six minutes left,
they scored twenty four points. That's enough. And by the way,
you have turnovers when you're playing above your tempo. But
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I think what you're seeing with Halliburton here, and I
don't know if it's an eight. I don't know if
you're born with it. But there are some people that
not only does he rise in the moment, but he
elevates all his teammates in the moment. I mean, I
got nothing against the Pacer squad. It's a really good team,
but there's a lot of b guys right now that
are playing an a level on the road in New
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York against the really well coached team. What you're watching
with Indiana is we just got to give them credit.
We can blame the Knicks on this. You got to
give Indiana credit. They are really really and we said this,
j Mac, you called it. You picked them over Cleveland.
And one of the reasons you did, you fell in
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love with Halliburton last year. Last year on the show, folks,
if you didn't listen, he went crazy on Halliburton. He
basically called in the next Magic Johnson, and I don't
think that's his style. But I do see a lot
of Steve Nash. He can score, he can take the
foot off the gas, he can play. But Nash just
will you watch Steve Nash? How did Steve Nash win
the MVP at fifte in a game? Because he controlled
the basketball game. Steve Nash literally controlled every game he
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was in. People were like, how can you win MVP?
You had to watch the Sons play. What Indiana's doing
and you caught onto it last year is they are
between Caitlin Clark and the Pacers. They are so much
to me fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, I love the Halliburton story.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
You know, Midwest kid grew up under recruited, the big.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Colleges didn't want him.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I love the stories of these underdogs coming out of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Colin he's emerging right now. Honestly, it's one of the
most clutch players.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
In the league.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And I mean, I don't see how he's not like
an All NBA guy, how he's not like a top
ten player. He does everything and like you said, makes
everyone around him better.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Think about that much like Nash. Last two years, we've
talked about the Sixers and the Celtics, and we've talked
about all these teams, Pacers back to back, back to
back Eastern Conference finals.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, let's be real, the Knicks are not in that
much trouble. It took six threes from Nei Smith in
the fourth quarter. That's, I believe, an NBA record. Like, listen,
we're not gonna see that again. However, the choke by
my Knicks has me a little nervous because you know,
they go in a game two, can't blow game two,
and Pacers have sown a propensity.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
They stole Game two in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, I mean, the thing about India is they're completely fearless.
Homer away doesn't matter, and I think some of that
is it's almost like hockey. It's when you play fast
the road crowd, you're flying by the crowd. This is
not a plodding half court offense where the fans are
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on you. They're just up and down the floor. It's
hard to get your arms around Indiana. They're just breakneck.
You know. I'm not comparing them in any way to
the showtime Lakers, but the Celtics could do more half court.
The Lakers were up and down the floor. Nash's sons
were up and down the floor. Jordan's Bulls could do
a lot of half court stuff, so it's just it's
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they just watching Indiana. I you know. I obviously the
New York crowd's insane and wonderful. You can't tell where
they're playing. Every time the Pacers play, it looks the
same that they're a tempo team more than anything else.
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Speaker 1 (14:00):
Now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Incredible Great
rates none of the bull. So let's get to the
choke gesture. We talked about it regarding the WNBA yesterday
in the day before is there is a performative nature
to sports. Trash talking, taunting, within reason, flaunting. I'm okay
with it. I thought it was funny that Haliverton did
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the choke signal he thought he'd won, so did I.
By the way, it's hard to sometimes relate to six
foot nine, six foot ten basketball players, but that was
a relatable moment. We've all done that right in the playground.
Chest out. Sports makes you feel something, and I don't
think it's fair to ask these athletes to train for
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years to do something, then surround them with twenty thousand people,
and then in the biggest shot in the world at
that moment, to ask an athlete to be subtle and nuanced.
I watched that last night, and I'm like, here we go.
If you didn't see the Reggie Miller Spike Lee moment
that got a thirty for thirty and Reggie Miller last
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night is laughing watching Haliburton, you can say what you want.
It's iconic. It got documentaries. Even Bill Belichick, as grumpy
as he can be. I can remember watching a story
a documentary on Belichick. Belichick used to say, guys, celebrate
this stuff is hard. Scoring touchdowns is hard. Celebrate. Belichick
was furious when you didn't pump your fist, when you
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didn't play with emotion. So I mean, listen, the choke
sign is universal. Sometimes it feels like it's warranted, it's personal.
Reggie Miller laughing about it on TV. But I just
thought the whole thing, the shot, the moment, the sign.
I thought it was all time stuff. Here's Hallie in
the moment.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I mean, I wasn't like plotting out in or anything.
I just everybody wanted me to do it like last
year at some different point. But it's just gotta feel right,
and it felt right at the time. If it would
have been if I would have known it was it too,
I would not have done so I think I might
have wasted it.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
He's having a remarkable postseason. So he's averaging nine and
a half assists a game, leads the NBA in the
playoffs six games with ten plus assists, and he's a scorer,
and by the way his clutch time points, it's really remarkable.
There's a fine line between being confident and arrogant, and
I think he's an incredibly likable confident player. I don't
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think it veers into arrogant. I think it's just really confident.
They have four wins now trailing. Think about this this postseason.
They have four wins when trailing by seventeen points, and
I think a lot of it's Haliburton, but I also
think it's their pace. When you play fast and you're
not sloppy, They're not sloppy. So when you play fast,
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seventeen points feels like you're down nine. You know, the
Knicks get down seventeen points. The way they play a
more plotting style, it feels like it's over. But Steph
Curry got down seven, the Steve Nash teams got down seventeen.
It's different. You're always within a punch and so they're
very unique team when being down does not mean being out.
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I still like Indiana to win this series. I thought
the Knicks played well enough to win. And I'm not
sure anybody but the Pacers and maybe OKC he could
have beaten the Knicks last night in Madison Square. Here's
j Mack with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
All right, Colin, let's bust right into it. Brock Purdy,
he got paid, big guy. We love it. Seventh highest
paid quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
At fifty three million year.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
His contract is five years, two hundred and sixty five million,
and you know, he spoke to the media. Interestingly, Colin
Purty's new deal. He accounts for just under nineteen percent
of the Niners salary cap, which you know, again this
capologists really made that happen. And I know people here
fifty three million and see that number and they're like,
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oh no, that's too high. It seems to me again,
just to me, like this is well structured for the Niners,
and this is not going to be an impediment today
going forward.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Okay, so like people have been saying this, well, it's
only nineteen percent. First of all, to being one fifth
of your cap is a number I am not. I
don't have a problem with Lamar Burrow Mahomes Allen being
twenty to twenty five percent. I don't think pretty is
that player. Combined with my concern which is now not arguable,
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they have missed on too many draft picks. So my
take is at some point they are a Kittle or
a Trent. These are older players. They are a Kittle
or a Trent Williams injury away from needing Brock Purty
to carry an incredibly thin roster. If he was making
nineteen percent of the roster, little bigger arm, little better athlete,
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and it was a deeper roster like let's say the
Bills or the Ravens or the Lions. It's not you
say it's nineteen percent. I can live with that with
about six guys in the league, not twelve like Jalen Hurts.
I don't know where he is. But Saquon Barkley feels
like I could almost live with a running back being
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fifteen percent. It's not just the money. It's the money
with some of his limitations against playoff teams with an
old roster, that is going to get hurt. Old players
in this league playing seventeen games, somebody's going to get hurt.
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I just this whole twenty to twenty five percent is okay.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
For Allen and Burrow and Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Are they really five percent better than rot thirty when it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Comes to the salary?
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Really?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So if that's the case, well, if you want to
say Kittle or are there a Kittle injury or a
Trent Williams injury away, well we could play that game
with all those guys.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
If the difference is the difference is the difference is
Josh Allen got to an AFC Championship at one point
with a bad old line. Burrow got to a Super
Bowl with a horrible old line. Kansas City, their receiving
corp the last two years has been a mess, and
they have two Super Bowl appearances. Purdy isn't getting to
a super Bowl with a terrible old line, which if
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Trent Williams gets heard because they didn't addrive that in
the draft is what their O line will be. So
it's not just the number. You have to contextualize it.
There's about six guys that can carry bad receiving course,
bad old Even Matt Stafford can't carry a bad old line.
We've seen that. Now he can carry a limited tight
end receiving corps, we've seen that. But Matt Stafford, as
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good as he is, he needs the old line. Lamar doesn't.
Alan doesn't. So my take is it's not just the number.
It's not that you have to contextualize everything.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But some of that stuff out of Brockberty's control. If
he loses an offensive lineman. I mean Patrick Mahoone's offensive
line in the Super Bowl got destroyed and he and
they got.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Smashed like that happens to everybody.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Like I also also, not only does brock Perdy not
have the AMMO he had three years ago. When this
was the three years ago, nobody disputed it. Niners had
the best roster in the league. Now we say it's
Philadelphia and now it's Detroit, and then we can argue
over the third. But three years ago they had seven
Hall of Famers play. Hull Fungo was a star Warner Greenlaw,
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Bosa Kittle, Williams Christian. I mean three years ago it
was a stack roster. It is not a stacked roster.
If Bosa goes down, it's an incredibly average defense.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Now listen, if Chris Jones goes down for KC, I mean,
their defense is awful.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, but the difference is Mahomes has proven he can
win shootouts.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
He can win some shootouts.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, well they all see. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Remember, I think the great equalizer, Colin, is that schedule
for Rock Berdie.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
As you said, one of the easiest, I believe in
the last.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Ten years of so much that helps, no question.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
So when they're thirteen and four and I'm out here
thumping my chest, You're gonna be so salty.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
That's my guess.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Let's go on to the Bears, your new favorite team
in the league. Obviously, the QB position has been a
bit of a quack buyer for Gogo for decades now,
but Ben Johnson spoke about it and he's very excited.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Like's the challenge of the situation.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I love the opportunity and come on in and change
that narrative. That's where great stories are written, and so
we're looking to write a new chapter here twenty twenty
five Chicago Bears and looking forward to the future. It
starts with developing a rapport and a trust, and that's
earned over time. You don't walk in day one and
expect that to be achieved. And so the more time
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we spend together, he understands that I have his best
interest at hearts and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, I'm already. I'm Here's the other thing to think about.
Something has happened, you know how you and I have
talked about this. How the NBA basically suddenly it's a
point guard led league because you can't stack rosters. And
what you have to do is get somebody that can
score like Halliburton, but elevate other b players because they're
the mores. And the NBA physicality is hurting three pointers.
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Teams get beat up, they're physically tired, they don't hit
their threes. There's something happening in the NFL the NFC,
I think we'd both agree. The AFC teams hit on
about seven quarterbacks Allan Lamar Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert C. J. Strout.
So the AFC is easier to predict because there's so
many great quarterbacks at the top. The NFC not as many,
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but I will tell you now, I would argue the
two best rosters in the league are NFC rosters Philly Detroit,
and I think Philly by a mile. In Detroit second,
I think La is in a argument for third, fourth,
or fifth. So I think what's funny about the Bears
is last year may have been the last season where
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you could be okay and make the playoffs. It's going
to be hard to be an NFC I think the
last two years. That's why I say about Dallas there
was about a two to three year window. Aaron Rodgers
left the conference, right Russell Wilson, whatever leaves the conference,
stafford got hurt. There was about a two or three
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year window here with the AFC NFC, there was a gap.
I think that gap has closed. I think the NFC
now is just an inch behind the AFC.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
So what's a colin what's a reasonable expectation for Ben
Johnson in a first year. I mean, I know we're
calling him the savior or an offensive mind, and Caleb
with I do feel like the hype train has left
the station and people are going to be disappointed if
they don't have nine ten eleven games.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, I think nine ten is where I land with
that schedule. Yeah, you make way too much. I always
just the second time you're talking about the schedule. If
somebody can punch up the Bears home schedule, it's just
a bunch of doubles. I mean, I mean, I'll give
you again trying to.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Reset expectations, Colin, because there's a world where they win
eight games, and it was progressed right step.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
In the right direction.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
You look at the schedule right out of the gate,
they could be zero and two the minute, nota Vikings
or they're going to win for our radio audience.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Does this scare you for a radio audience, You can't
see this Vikings at home, Cowboys at home, Raiders by
Saints at home, New York Giants at home, Steelers at home,
Cleveland Browns and Schador Sanders at home. That doesn't scare anybody.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
You're glossing over the road games that.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Are brutals, Baltimore's, Joys, Washington's and l But they got
to go back to back against Ravens and Bengals. Collins
the two of the best four quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Right there, Simpson didn't make the expectations. Cincinnati didn't make
the playoffs last year. They're not scary. They're just talented.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Last bone to pick, and I don't want to make
this a thing. We've got all summer to ste on it.
You keep saying the Detroit Lions have a top ten
roster in the LEA or a top five roster in
the league. I don't know who they really who go
on That defense scares you After Aiden Hutchison and the
safety branch.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
That defense is not great. The roster's not awesome.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I think the bigger issue is they lost two great coordinators. Yeah,
and when's the Philadelphia lost two great coordinators. They replaced
him and it was a disaster. Yeah, you're Aaron Glenn
and Ben Johnson. You did not hire equals. So and
I know nobody wants to talk about this, but a
go ask Bill Belichick when you put the wrong guy
at OC. Okay, like coordinators win games. Major Brady didn't
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even deal during the week with Belichick. They would meet
once a week. He was He and Josh McDaniel are
on the phone or in meetings all week. So I
don't think Detroit, I don't think it's possible and go
ask Philly to lose. Argue, last year, you could argue
they had the best coaching staff in the league if
you count coordinators and head coach, the Lions had the
best staff. I think it's going to be a downgrade
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and to me, that's at least a game to two
out of the wind total.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Final story Colin is sad news in the NFL, where
the Colts announced the passing of owner Jim Ersay yesterday
at the age of sixty five. Ersay became the NFL's
youngest owner at thirty seven years old when he inherited
the team from his father back in nineteen ninety seven.
Colts went on to win two Super Bowls, winning Super
Bowl forty one under Ersay's ownership.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
One of the most charitable people in the NFL, A
complex guy who was a huge personality, and one of
the things that Jim Ursay did. I was talking to
Chris Balder last night the GM one of the things
that Ersay did. The Colts always felt like a family,
and that is not the case with a lot of
NFL teams. You just have a billionaire owner and there's
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always been The Steelers have always felt like a family
the Ravens do and the Colts do. And he could
be impulsive, and he could be difficult, and he was
incredibly complicated, but he viewed himself as basically a poet
and an artist. He had the largest guitar great kadar
collection in the world. And I had him on the
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show one time. And I remember the Colts when I
reached out and to have him on the show, They're like,
You're gonna really enjoy it. He's just a different cat.
And Ballard shared some of those thoughts last night. He
loved sitting down with people, his GM, his president. He
wanted feedback. We're a family and families fight like and
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that was Ersay, Like, I really feel like the Colts
are one of those organizations. It's not about your win total.
Do you feel like family? And if you do, families
are imperfect. But the NFL lost an absolute, charitable, genuine,
completely authentic rock star last night in Jim Ersay. And
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with that we take a break.
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Sunday will continue the tradition of drinking milk in victory Lane.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So SGA won the MVP this week. I would have
voted him MVP. It's a regular season award, and I
do think how your team finishes matter. Jokicic's Nuggets weren't
as good in the regular season. I think Jokich is
the best player in the world. But Michael Jordan did
not win, nor did Lebron or Magic in his prime,
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they didn't win the MVP every year. A lot of
it is how is your team doing an SGA's team
won by an average of twelve point nine points. They
were a blizzard, a hot through butter of this league.
So and he's a remarkable player. But the other thing
is he now is eligible for three hundred and eighty
million dollars with a new CBA, and I would have
(31:11):
no problem writing that check. Unlike Luca, I don't question
his fitness. Unlike Giannis, I want him to have the
ball with two minutes left. He'll hit the free throws.
Unlike Kawhi r MB, there's no load management. I like
Donovan Mitchell, I don't think he elevates teammates quite as
much as SGA does, even for billionaire owners. The new
(31:35):
CBA makes you pause. You have to consider everything. Seventy
six million dollars per season if you're just dropping thirty
he used to be in the NBA. Get buckets, you'll
get your max. Nope, Nope, not interested. That's why Laker
fans now see watch every night. You really know a
(31:57):
player when he's yours. He's on your team. Otherwise, nobody
outside of Okac's watching Okac every night. They are in okacs.
So you know of SGA, you get the whistle, you
get elevation. There's no load management. He gets you buckets.
He's great in clutch time. That's the easiest check in
the league to write. After Jokich, that's the easy one.
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A lot of these guys that like Jamal Murray I
like Jamal Murray. He plays himself into shape. I'm not
signing that check. I'm not giving you three hundred million dollars, Luca.
That was the concern in Dallas. He's playing himself into shape.
Those are the guys that get hurt more so. I
think now that you have this, you have this new CBA,
(32:39):
if you miss on a player like Trey Young gets buckets.
I like Trey I'm not paying that money for trade.
I didn't play defense. I don't know if he's a leader.
I don't know if he elevates teammates. He gives you
some assists. And I like Trey Young. But I think
all the stars thought, oh, this new CBA is great.
But I'm a billionaire. It's one thing paying Lebron thirty
eight million in his prime. I'll sign that check. All
(33:00):
paint Lebron's seventy six million in this prime. But Kevin
Durant was a little flaky. Kevin Durant had a few injuries.
I'm on think about it. And that's why I said,
if Nico Harrison would have gotten three firsts and Austin
Reeves with a D, I would have defended the move.
Not sure I would have made it. I would have
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defended it. Like I get Yannis, he's had some injuries.
You don't want him with the ball late, he's bad
at the free throw line. Like that doesn't mean he's
not a star. But three hundred and eighty million dollars
you get into that area. I have to consider everything.
And it's just an incredibly putative new CBA and so
it's just not about getting buckets anymore. Here's Sga on
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winning the award.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
I always thought that I could be a really good
player because I had I had seen like what just
putting your head down and working and controlling what you
can control can do for you. I dreamt about as
a kid with a second eno as kid, it's a
fake dream. But to as the days go on and
you realize that, like you get closer to your dream,
(34:07):
it's hard to like not freak out. It's hard to
like not be a six year old kid again. And
I think that's what's allowed me to achieve it.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You know, I got to tell you right now. With
the NBA, between Sga, Tyrese Haliburton, and Jalen Brunson, I'm
not sure there ever been three more relatable NBA stars.
I mean again, NBA guys are six eight. I remember
going to the SBS and you know, athletes are big,
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but they look like human beings. And then you watch
the NBA guys come in their tuxes and they're seven
to two. They don't look like the rest of it.
You know, Teddy Bruski I worked with, he was a great,
fearless linebacker. After he retired, he carried a briefcase. He
looked like the company's accountant. You couldn't tell. So I
just find that SGA is just such a relatable dude.
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Halliburton and Brunson. It's really cool. So we talked about
this yesterday. I said, I thought that Jason Kelsey, with
his inspirational speech to the owners, got the tush push barely. Now,
(35:20):
I'll say this, it was a twenty two to ten
vote against the tush push. Let's not make it sound
like people were in favor of it. The league didn't
really want it. The Health and Safety Committee didn't want it,
the Rules Gimmittee didn't want it, and twenty two owners
didn't want it. But you needed twenty four to get
it banned. So the NFL as suspected asked the Packers
(35:43):
to propose a failed Tush push. That's been reported, so
the league did not want it. The league didn't want it.
The vote led to a according to stories here, multiple
heated exchanges. So this is one of these things where
I said this yesterday. I think it's Jason Kelsey and
Jeffrey Lowie and this is the thing about the NFL,
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And I guess this is the same with every league.
But there are certain owners in the NFL that have
a lot of poll And it's not Michael Bidwell, Okay,
it is Jerry Jones wanted an NFL team in Vegas.
There's an NFL team in Vegas. Jerry Jones wanted the
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Rams to go from Saint Louis to Los Angeles. They
went from Saint Louis to Los Angeles. Robert Kraft has
always handled I'm not sure if he still does. For
years he handled all the TV deals. He would collectively
talk to all the owners and then he would go
call Fox in CBS and NBC and ESPN. So Jeffrey
Lourie of Philadelphia got a lot of smoke. Stan Cronky's
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one of the richest. Arthur Blank, the Hunt family, they've
earned it craft Jerry Jones. You know Detroit's owners, Cleveland's owner,
Chicago's owner, Arizona's owner. You know they don't have the
money that of the wins. I think people look at Philadelphia.
I don't think I think if twenty five teams were
doing the tush push, it would be banned. I think
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it is allowed because it's Philadelphia and Jeffrey lury And
I think I think there's only about four to five
owners that get this thing pushed through. A Steve Bushatti
of Baltimore maybe get its push, gets it pushed through.
But Philadelphia is iconic. They arguably have the most passionate
fan base. They're a blue blood that's incredibly important for
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the league. Jeffrey Lurie is a creative, progressive owner. Howie
Roseman has built the best roster. They're good for the league.
I mean, I've said this about all pro sports in America.
You could drop six to eight NHL teams, Nobody would
ninety nine percent of you don't know the arena of
the Saint Louis Blues playing. You could drop eight baseball teams.
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You could drop about five to six NBA teams. Nobody
would care it's the same in the NFL. I got
news for you. You could a race about six NFL teams.
Nobody would care. Philadelphia is one of those four foundational teams.
To me, like Philadelphia, the Niners, out West Philadelphia, the
Green Bay Packers' there's just a handful of teams. Dallas
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Cowboys obviously they just matter a lot. So I think
I think this comes down to Jeffrey Lowie, Philadelphia, they're
standing in the league, Jason Kelsey or this thing again.
The vote was twenty two to ten. If it was
twenty four to eight, it's banned, and you know people
are upset with it. I do think. I do think
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the one thing that you know, for years and years
Phil Jackson ran. They called it the triangle offense, and
you're like, why didn't everybody use the triangle offense? And
my argument would be because you didn't have Michael Jordan
and Kobe the triangle offense. Yeah, Lamar Odin was kind
of a clever player that it worked with. It worked
mostly to the Kobe and Michael Jordan. This tush push
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works because it's the biggest offensive line in league history,
and it works because Jalen hurts squats six hundred pounds
and he's small. I mean you would if I would
have told you you'd never seen the tush push, because
Tom Brady in his era was a tall guy that
was kind of lanky and was the best quarterback, sneak guy.
If I would have told you you'd never watch the NFL,
I'd say, there's this team. All you knew is you
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kind of had a sense of the league. I said,
there's this team that invented this play. It's a one
yard play. Who do you think runs it? You would
have guessed like, oh, Lamar Jackson could always get a yard,
or oh Josh Allen or Herbert they're huge, they could
get a yard. You know, you look at the big guy.
I said, No, it's Jalen Hurts. Second round. Jalen Hurts,
small squat six hundred and fifty pounds behind the biggest
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offensive line in league history. So it's a lot of
Jalen Hurts this even with that old line. It doesn't
work with Jared Goff, it's not gonna, it's not working
with Brock Perdy. It's probably not working with Joe Burrow.
It works with Jalen Hurts. So I do think Philadelphia's
argument is A, there's no data that people are getting hurt,
and B we've got unique personnel. Don't punish us for
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being the deepest offense in the league. Two receivers, two
tight ends, star quarterback, star back, four all pro level alignment.
Don't punish us for that. I think that's the best
argument I've had. Philadelphia fans say, you're punishing us. We
created some it's a good argument. Now. Now, the defensive
shift in baseball was created by Joe Madden down in Tampa,
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and the problem was everybody started using right that wasn't
really player specific, and it made the game slower. You
did not want Bryce Harper lining out. You wanted Bryce
Harper and the hair and the look. You wanted it
on base. So that was so easy to duplicate it
became bad for the league. Just like Adam Sober right
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now doesn't love all the three point shops because you
can find three point shooters. What Philadelphia is doing is
hard to duplicate, and so it's not all through the league.
You only see it about four times a game from
one team. So the unique flavor of it actually works
to Philadelphia's favor If twenty two teams were using this
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eleven times a game, it would get banned because what
the owners really care about is the entertainment value. But
one team does it well and use it four to
five times a game. It's their thing. It's their thing.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
J Mac.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Great first Hour on a Friday. We got Channing Fry
and Paul Pierce stopping by today on Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I guess the good news for you the numbers on
the Brock Prety contract, that granular numbers are coming out.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
I'll send them to you during the break. Okay, you're
gonna love it.
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Oh wow, it's a Thursday show. We are live. It's
The Herd wherever you may be and however you may
be watching or listening. That was an all timer last night.
Epics is overrated. It was that plus jet fuel. It's
the Herd. That is one of the great playoff games,
not just played in New York. Hi, I gotta tell
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you something. I'm sitting there watching it, and I'm the
first half, Like, at one point both teams were shooting
like sixty five percent in the first half. I'm like
blood him by watching of AAU basketball, nobody wanted to
d up. And then in the second half Jmack when
they were ding up, it didn't matter. The Pacers caught fire.
(01:10):
It's it's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
One that's certainly an all time great playoff game in
the NBA and Tyrese Halibert and Collin is he a
top ten player at this point with this guy just
doesn't miss in the kluts.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
He's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Okay, So the Knicks had a fourteen point lead, wasn't
much time left, and they lost in overtime. But I'm
gonna defend the Knicks. They did not choke. The Knicks
had three baskets and two free throws in the final
three minutes. They scored enough. Now, they had some bad turnovers,
but they scored enough. The story of the game is
give the Pacers credit. That was insane. They couldn't miss
(01:46):
in the last six minutes. They shot over seventy percent
and they were hard shots. Aaron Nesmith six straight threes,
three in the final minute. Now, this team plays with
pace and tempo, so they score fast. We know that
they've done it all season, and they're a great clutch
team because of Halle. They're thirty one and two when
they score one hundred and twenty points or more. So
(02:06):
you do not want to get into a track meet
with the Pacers. That's Milwaukee tried it, Cleveland tried it,
The Knicks tried it. Don't they never get tired. I'm like,
I'm watching ninth graders, like they never get tired. Charles
Barkley said it at halftime. This pace totally favors Indiana.
And what's remarkable about Haliburton and Indy is they play
(02:28):
at this pace and they don't turn it over. Then
seven turnovers on the road against the Knick size and
the Knicks tenacity. Seven turnovers, Jalen brunts and a loan
ad seven So what you wanted last night? And I said,
I think Indy's gonna win the series. This is this
is what they did the Milwaukee. This is what they
(02:49):
did the Cleveland. They're controlling the tempo. Listen, give the
next credit Nix to have one. They shot fifty one percent.
They got a bad bounce, And I think last night
New York beats every in the league except Halliburton, the
Pacers and maybe Okac. Halliburton got the bounce. Nie Smith
was unbelievable. How about the gone Zaga kid, Nemhart multiple
threes late, Obi topping, I mean, just everything worked for
(03:13):
them late. But I'll tell you Halliburton is amazing because
he reminds me of Steve Nash Steve Nash won an
MVP averaging fifteen a game. The next year he won
another MVP, averaging eighteen a game. But Steve Nash, one
of the smartest athletes I've ever met, had unbelievable self awareness.
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And that's Halliburton. What do you need all provide? The
guy plays with zero fear, but his self awareness he
knows what the clock is is uncanny. The choke sign,
I love it, bring it on, but he is an
all timer man. He is the aggressor. He can play
with physicality and again we can bang on the next
but in the last six minutes of the fourth and overtime,
(03:59):
they they're twenty four points. The Pacers scored forty four
on seventy two percent shooting. That is unheard of. The
Knicks should have won. Now, the Knicks had too many turnovers,
but I think I think this comes down to Halliburton
and the Pacers play with the aggressiveness that I think
(04:20):
Celtic fans wish Tatum and Boston did, like they just
played Downhill and Lamar Jackson could throw forty eight times
a game and win. But that's not how Lamar and
the Ravens are built. They're a power football team with
Derrick Henry. The Knicks stayed in this game, shot fifty
(04:40):
one percent. But this is going to be a six
or seven game series. This is not what the Knicks are.
And yesterday on this show, I kept saying over and
over the Pacers play the fastest pace in the league.
What a perfect name for a team. Last three years,
Knicks are the slowest team. That's not a bad thing
for the playoffs. Half court offense is great. They played
the slowest pace. Whoever wins the pace will win this series.
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And the Knicks almost pulled it off. But if you
remember last year when these two teams played, what happened.
Indiana played really really quick, up tempo and over time
the Knicks swore, wore down, just didn't have the body.
So in these got more bodies. They're built for this.
Their guys are in their prime. Halliburton controlled it like
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he did against Cleveland, like he did against the Bucks.
The Knicks almost pulled it off. But here's Halley after.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Basketball is fun.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
They're all winning his fun and uh Rob, you.
Speaker 7 (05:38):
Know, I'm so proud of the resilience of this group.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We're showing it all year. We had to win in
so many different, random, unique ways. I'd today. We just
kept kept.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Going, kept fighting, and uh man, that's that's one.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
There's Halliburton's is a lot like Steve Nash, and that
everybody that played with Steve Nash was at their best.
He'd give you fifteen, but he elevated everybody. James Harden
scored a lot of guys that score Halliburton. This is
a one star team with a bunch of B plus players.
But what's amazing is the B plus players for Indiana.
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Because of Halliburton and self awareness and movement and pace,
they're all playing at an a level like all of
Indiana's players are rising to the moment. This is not
about the Knicks not playing well. This is about Indiana
being on fire and making a remarkable number of big shots.
If you did not hear the final call, we'll give
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it to you from the Pacers Radio network.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Halliburton driving, he's in the lane, he nearly lost, and
he backs up and unloads a three.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
That did not happen.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It hit the back of the rim, It popped high
into the air.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
And it dropctely through the net and the Pacers and
the scoreboard chills.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
One twenty five to one. It's called a two point shot.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So it's just it's an incredible moment. And I'll get
to two things that worry me about the Knicks going forward.
Let's now talk about Brunson. So Jalen had forty three
points and you say to yourself, that's a great night.
But he had seven turnovers. Why because he's playing faster
than he's used to. That's the most turnovers Jalen Brunson
(07:26):
has had all season. And he also got into foul trouble. Again.
We're asking somebody who can type forty words a minute
to type sixty. You know, it's just this isn't what
he's built for. Brunson and Haliburton are two very different players.
Brunson's a score, small, strong. He uses, you know, his leverage,
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he uses his hips, he does that mid post game.
He just plays way bigger than his height. But he
is a scorer and a finisher. He sometimes is plotting.
He wants to get you in that half court. He
wants to work you. He's gonna work his shoulders, he's
gonna work his hips. Halliburton's different. He's long, gangly, herky jerki.
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It's kind of awkward. He's strong and can use it
a couple of times on occasion. But what he is,
he's the pace car. He is the guy that's gonna okay,
I'm gonna tell you how fast we're all gonna play,
and you can't stop him because he's just so long
and gangly. He's a very awkward player. He's hard to defend.
The two things that worry me about New York after
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last night, First of all, Karl Anthony Towns. That's about
as good as he can play in the playoffs. He
was efficient. He's not always efficient. He hit his threes,
he didn't get in foul trouble. You know, Kat gets
in foul trouble. Kat does dumb fouls. He's a really
good offensive player, but through his career he drives you nuts.
I thought Kat last night was spectacular. I don't know
(08:54):
if he can duplicate that. I just don't know if
he can play any better than that. It was fun
watching it. The second thing is Brunson gonna say, hey, man,
I got forty three, I'm gonna play this temple. We're scoring.
We should have won the game. They could talk themselves
into that. So but again I'll say it last year
when these two teams played in the end of the series.
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I mean, Brunson last night, because of foul trouble, played
the fewest minutes of any New York Knicks starter. That
is not what you want. I don't care if he
scored forty three points and to lose in overtime when
you have the shorter bench game one, you blow a
pretty big lead at that pace. I didn't love it.
(09:37):
That's a game it feels like for the road team
to win that game and control the tempo. Didn't love
it for New York. Here's Brunson after.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Give them a lot of credit.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
They closed the game out like they've been doing the
all playoffs. Just not really good on our part for
all the players, and I know it wasn't a huge number,
but for the players that said Haliburton is overrated, check yourself,
because when I'm watching and we were sitting there tying,
I mean, I look at all I look at the
(10:08):
box score, and the difference is Nick's had twice as
many turnovers and a couple costly ones in overtime. That's
your ballgame. But I'm gonna push back. I'm gonna push
back on the choke thing. The Knicks scored six minutes left,
they scored twenty four points. That's enough. And by the way,
you have turnovers when you're playing above your tempo. But
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I think what you're seeing with Halliburton here, and I
don't know if it's an eight. I don't know if
you're born with it. But there are some people that
not only does he rise in the moment, but he
elevates all his teammates in the moment. I mean, I
got nothing against the Pacer squad. It's a really good team,
but there's a lot of b guys right now that
are playing an a level on the road in New
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York against the really well coached team. What you're watching
with Indiana is we just got to give them credit.
We can blame the Knicks on this. You got to
give Indiana credit. They are really really and we said this,
j Mac, you called it. You picked them over Cleveland.
And one of the reasons you did, you fell in
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love with Halliburton last year. Last year on the show, folks,
if you didn't listen, he went crazy on Halliburton. He
basically called in the next Magic Johnson, and I don't
think that's his style. But I do see a lot
of Steve Nash. He can score, he can take the
foot off the gas, he can play. But Nash just
will you watch Steve Nash? How did Steve Nash win
the MVP at fifte in a game? Because he controlled
the basketball game. Steve Nash literally controlled every game he
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was in. People were like, how can you win MVP?
You had to watch the Sons play. What Indiana's doing
and you caught onto it last year is they are
between Caitlin Clark and the Pacers. They are so much
to me fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, I love the Halliburton story.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
You know, Midwest kid grew up under recruited, the big.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Colleges didn't want him.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I love the stories of these underdogs coming out of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Colin he's emerging right now. Honestly, it's one of the
most clutch players.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
In the league.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And I mean, I don't see how he's not like
an All NBA guy, how he's not like a top
ten player. He does everything and like you said, makes
everyone around him better.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Think about that much like Nash. Last two years, we've
talked about the Sixers and the Celtics, and we've talked
about all these teams, Pacers back to back, back to
back Eastern Conference finals.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, let's be real, the Knicks are not in that
much trouble. It took six threes from Nei Smith in
the fourth quarter. That's, I believe, an NBA record. Like, listen,
we're not gonna see that again. However, the choke by
my Knicks has me a little nervous because you know,
they go in a game two, can't blow game two,
and Pacers have sown a propensity.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
They stole Game two in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, I mean, the thing about India is they're completely fearless.
Homer away doesn't matter, and I think some of that
is it's almost like hockey. It's when you play fast
the road crowd, you're flying by the crowd. This is
not a plodding half court offense where the fans are
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on you. They're just up and down the floor. It's
hard to get your arms around Indiana. They're just breakneck.
You know. I'm not comparing them in any way to
the showtime Lakers, but the Celtics could do more half court.
The Lakers were up and down the floor. Nash's sons
were up and down the floor. Jordan's Bulls could do
a lot of half court stuff, so it's just it's
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they just watching Indiana. I you know. I obviously the
New York crowd's insane and wonderful. You can't tell where
they're playing. Every time the Pacers play, it looks the
same that they're a tempo team more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
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Speaker 1 (14:00):
Now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Incredible Great
rates none of the bull. So let's get to the
choke gesture. We talked about it regarding the WNBA yesterday
in the day before is there is a performative nature
to sports. Trash talking, taunting, within reason, flaunting. I'm okay
with it. I thought it was funny that Haliverton did
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the choke signal he thought he'd won, so did I.
By the way, it's hard to sometimes relate to six
foot nine, six foot ten basketball players, but that was
a relatable moment. We've all done that right in the playground.
Chest out. Sports makes you feel something, and I don't
think it's fair to ask these athletes to train for
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years to do something, then surround them with twenty thousand people,
and then in the biggest shot in the world at
that moment, to ask an athlete to be subtle and nuanced.
I watched that last night, and I'm like, here we go.
If you didn't see the Reggie Miller Spike Lee moment
that got a thirty for thirty and Reggie Miller last
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night is laughing watching Haliburton, you can say what you want.
It's iconic. It got documentaries. Even Bill Belichick, as grumpy
as he can be. I can remember watching a story
a documentary on Belichick. Belichick used to say, guys, celebrate
this stuff is hard. Scoring touchdowns is hard. Celebrate. Belichick
was furious when you didn't pump your fist, when you
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didn't play with emotion. So I mean, listen, the choke
sign is universal. Sometimes it feels like it's warranted, it's personal.
Reggie Miller laughing about it on TV. But I just
thought the whole thing, the shot, the moment, the sign.
I thought it was all time stuff. Here's Hallie in
the moment.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I mean, I wasn't like plotting out in or anything.
I just everybody wanted me to do it like last
year at some different point. But it's just gotta feel right,
and it felt right at the time. If it would
have been if I would have known it was it too,
I would not have done so I think I might
have wasted it.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
He's having a remarkable postseason. So he's averaging nine and
a half assists a game, leads the NBA in the
playoffs six games with ten plus assists, and he's a scorer,
and by the way his clutch time points, it's really remarkable.
There's a fine line between being confident and arrogant, and
I think he's an incredibly likable confident player. I don't
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think it veers into arrogant. I think it's just really confident.
They have four wins now trailing. Think about this this postseason.
They have four wins when trailing by seventeen points, and
I think a lot of it's Haliburton, but I also
think it's their pace. When you play fast and you're
not sloppy, They're not sloppy. So when you play fast,
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seventeen points feels like you're down nine. You know, the
Knicks get down seventeen points. The way they play a
more plotting style, it feels like it's over. But Steph
Curry got down seven, the Steve Nash teams got down seventeen.
It's different. You're always within a punch and so they're
very unique team when being down does not mean being out.
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I still like Indiana to win this series. I thought
the Knicks played well enough to win. And I'm not
sure anybody but the Pacers and maybe OKC he could
have beaten the Knicks last night in Madison Square. Here's
j Mack with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
All right, Colin, let's bust right into it. Brock Purdy,
he got paid, big guy. We love it. Seventh highest
paid quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
At fifty three million year.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
His contract is five years, two hundred and sixty five million,
and you know, he spoke to the media. Interestingly, Colin
Purty's new deal. He accounts for just under nineteen percent
of the Niners salary cap, which you know, again this
capologists really made that happen. And I know people here
fifty three million and see that number and they're like,
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oh no, that's too high. It seems to me again,
just to me, like this is well structured for the Niners,
and this is not going to be an impediment today
going forward.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Okay, so like people have been saying this, well, it's
only nineteen percent. First of all, to being one fifth
of your cap is a number I am not. I
don't have a problem with Lamar Burrow Mahomes Allen being
twenty to twenty five percent. I don't think pretty is
that player. Combined with my concern which is now not arguable,
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they have missed on too many draft picks. So my
take is at some point they are a Kittle or
a Trent. These are older players. They are a Kittle
or a Trent Williams injury away from needing Brock Purty
to carry an incredibly thin roster. If he was making
nineteen percent of the roster, little bigger arm, little better athlete,
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and it was a deeper roster like let's say the
Bills or the Ravens or the Lions. It's not you
say it's nineteen percent. I can live with that with
about six guys in the league, not twelve like Jalen Hurts.
I don't know where he is. But Saquon Barkley feels
like I could almost live with a running back being
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fifteen percent. It's not just the money. It's the money
with some of his limitations against playoff teams with an
old roster, that is going to get hurt. Old players
in this league playing seventeen games, somebody's going to get hurt.
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I just this whole twenty to twenty five percent is okay.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
For Allen and Burrow and Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Are they really five percent better than rot thirty when it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Comes to the salary?
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Really?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So if that's the case, well, if you want to
say Kittle or are there a Kittle injury or a
Trent Williams injury away, well we could play that game
with all those guys.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
If the difference is the difference is the difference is
Josh Allen got to an AFC Championship at one point
with a bad old line. Burrow got to a Super
Bowl with a horrible old line. Kansas City, their receiving
corp the last two years has been a mess, and
they have two Super Bowl appearances. Purdy isn't getting to
a super Bowl with a terrible old line, which if
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Trent Williams gets heard because they didn't addrive that in
the draft is what their O line will be. So
it's not just the number. You have to contextualize it.
There's about six guys that can carry bad receiving course,
bad old Even Matt Stafford can't carry a bad old line.
We've seen that. Now he can carry a limited tight
end receiving corps, we've seen that. But Matt Stafford, as
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good as he is, he needs the old line. Lamar doesn't.
Alan doesn't. So my take is it's not just the number.
It's not that you have to contextualize everything.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But some of that stuff out of Brockberty's control. If
he loses an offensive lineman. I mean Patrick Mahoone's offensive
line in the Super Bowl got destroyed and he and
they got.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Smashed like that happens to everybody.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Like I also also, not only does brock Perdy not
have the AMMO he had three years ago. When this
was the three years ago, nobody disputed it. Niners had
the best roster in the league. Now we say it's
Philadelphia and now it's Detroit, and then we can argue
over the third. But three years ago they had seven
Hall of Famers play. Hull Fungo was a star Warner Greenlaw,
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Bosa Kittle, Williams Christian. I mean three years ago it
was a stack roster. It is not a stacked roster.
If Bosa goes down, it's an incredibly average defense.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Now listen, if Chris Jones goes down for KC, I mean,
their defense is awful.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, but the difference is Mahomes has proven he can
win shootouts.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
He can win some shootouts.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, well they all see. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Remember, I think the great equalizer, Colin, is that schedule
for Rock Berdie.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
As you said, one of the easiest, I believe in
the last.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Ten years of so much that helps, no question.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
So when they're thirteen and four and I'm out here
thumping my chest, You're gonna be so salty.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
That's my guess.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Let's go on to the Bears, your new favorite team
in the league. Obviously, the QB position has been a
bit of a quack buyer for Gogo for decades now,
but Ben Johnson spoke about it and he's very excited.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Like's the challenge of the situation.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I love the opportunity and come on in and change
that narrative. That's where great stories are written, and so
we're looking to write a new chapter here twenty twenty
five Chicago Bears and looking forward to the future. It
starts with developing a rapport and a trust, and that's
earned over time. You don't walk in day one and
expect that to be achieved. And so the more time
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we spend together, he understands that I have his best
interest at hearts and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, I'm already. I'm Here's the other thing to think about.
Something has happened, you know how you and I have
talked about this. How the NBA basically suddenly it's a
point guard led league because you can't stack rosters. And
what you have to do is get somebody that can
score like Halliburton, but elevate other b players because they're
the mores. And the NBA physicality is hurting three pointers.
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Teams get beat up, they're physically tired, they don't hit
their threes. There's something happening in the NFL the NFC,
I think we'd both agree. The AFC teams hit on
about seven quarterbacks Allan Lamar Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert C. J. Strout.
So the AFC is easier to predict because there's so
many great quarterbacks at the top. The NFC not as many,
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but I will tell you now, I would argue the
two best rosters in the league are NFC rosters Philly Detroit,
and I think Philly by a mile. In Detroit second,
I think La is in a argument for third, fourth,
or fifth. So I think what's funny about the Bears
is last year may have been the last season where
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you could be okay and make the playoffs. It's going
to be hard to be an NFC I think the
last two years. That's why I say about Dallas there
was about a two to three year window. Aaron Rodgers
left the conference, right Russell Wilson, whatever leaves the conference,
stafford got hurt. There was about a two or three
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year window here with the AFC NFC, there was a gap.
I think that gap has closed. I think the NFC
now is just an inch behind the AFC.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
So what's a colin what's a reasonable expectation for Ben
Johnson in a first year. I mean, I know we're
calling him the savior or an offensive mind, and Caleb
with I do feel like the hype train has left
the station and people are going to be disappointed if
they don't have nine ten eleven games.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, I think nine ten is where I land with
that schedule. Yeah, you make way too much. I always
just the second time you're talking about the schedule. If
somebody can punch up the Bears home schedule, it's just
a bunch of doubles. I mean, I mean, I'll give
you again trying to.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Reset expectations, Colin, because there's a world where they win
eight games, and it was progressed right step.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
In the right direction.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
You look at the schedule right out of the gate,
they could be zero and two the minute, nota Vikings
or they're going to win for our radio audience.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Does this scare you for a radio audience, You can't
see this Vikings at home, Cowboys at home, Raiders by
Saints at home, New York Giants at home, Steelers at home,
Cleveland Browns and Schador Sanders at home. That doesn't scare anybody.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
You're glossing over the road games that.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Are brutals, Baltimore's, Joys, Washington's and l But they got
to go back to back against Ravens and Bengals. Collins
the two of the best four quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Right there, Simpson didn't make the expectations. Cincinnati didn't make
the playoffs last year. They're not scary. They're just talented.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Last bone to pick, and I don't want to make
this a thing. We've got all summer to ste on it.
You keep saying the Detroit Lions have a top ten
roster in the LEA or a top five roster in
the league. I don't know who they really who go
on That defense scares you After Aiden Hutchison and the
safety branch.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
That defense is not great. The roster's not awesome.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I think the bigger issue is they lost two great coordinators. Yeah,
and when's the Philadelphia lost two great coordinators. They replaced
him and it was a disaster. Yeah, you're Aaron Glenn
and Ben Johnson. You did not hire equals. So and
I know nobody wants to talk about this, but a
go ask Bill Belichick when you put the wrong guy
at OC. Okay, like coordinators win games. Major Brady didn't
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even deal during the week with Belichick. They would meet
once a week. He was He and Josh McDaniel are
on the phone or in meetings all week. So I
don't think Detroit, I don't think it's possible and go
ask Philly to lose. Argue, last year, you could argue
they had the best coaching staff in the league if
you count coordinators and head coach, the Lions had the
best staff. I think it's going to be a downgrade
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and to me, that's at least a game to two
out of the wind total.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Final story Colin is sad news in the NFL, where
the Colts announced the passing of owner Jim Ersay yesterday
at the age of sixty five. Ersay became the NFL's
youngest owner at thirty seven years old when he inherited
the team from his father back in nineteen ninety seven.
Colts went on to win two Super Bowls, winning Super
Bowl forty one under Ersay's ownership.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
One of the most charitable people in the NFL, A
complex guy who was a huge personality, and one of
the things that Jim Ursay did. I was talking to
Chris Balder last night the GM one of the things
that Ersay did. The Colts always felt like a family,
and that is not the case with a lot of
NFL teams. You just have a billionaire owner and there's
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always been The Steelers have always felt like a family
the Ravens do and the Colts do. And he could
be impulsive, and he could be difficult, and he was
incredibly complicated, but he viewed himself as basically a poet
and an artist. He had the largest guitar great kadar
collection in the world. And I had him on the
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show one time. And I remember the Colts when I
reached out and to have him on the show, They're like,
You're gonna really enjoy it. He's just a different cat.
And Ballard shared some of those thoughts last night. He
loved sitting down with people, his GM, his president. He
wanted feedback. We're a family and families fight like and
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that was Ersay, Like, I really feel like the Colts
are one of those organizations. It's not about your win total.
Do you feel like family? And if you do, families
are imperfect. But the NFL lost an absolute, charitable, genuine,
completely authentic rock star last night in Jim Ersay. And
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with that we take a break.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
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Speaker 4 (30:04):
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Speaker 4 (30:14):
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We got an authentic Indy five hundred driver helmet and
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Sunday will continue the tradition of drinking milk in victory Lane.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So SGA won the MVP this week. I would have
voted him MVP. It's a regular season award, and I
do think how your team finishes matter. Jokicic's Nuggets weren't
as good in the regular season. I think Jokich is
the best player in the world. But Michael Jordan did
not win, nor did Lebron or Magic in his prime,
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they didn't win the MVP every year. A lot of
it is how is your team doing an SGA's team
won by an average of twelve point nine points. They
were a blizzard, a hot through butter of this league.
So and he's a remarkable player. But the other thing
is he now is eligible for three hundred and eighty
million dollars with a new CBA, and I would have
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no problem writing that check. Unlike Luca, I don't question
his fitness. Unlike Giannis, I want him to have the
ball with two minutes left. He'll hit the free throws.
Unlike Kawhi r MB, there's no load management. I like
Donovan Mitchell, I don't think he elevates teammates quite as
much as SGA does, even for billionaire owners. The new
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CBA makes you pause. You have to consider everything. Seventy
six million dollars per season if you're just dropping thirty
he used to be in the NBA. Get buckets, you'll
get your max. Nope, Nope, not interested. That's why Laker
fans now see watch every night. You really know a
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player when he's yours. He's on your team. Otherwise, nobody
outside of Okac's watching Okac every night. They are in okacs.
So you know of SGA, you get the whistle, you
get elevation. There's no load management. He gets you buckets.
He's great in clutch time. That's the easiest check in
the league to write. After Jokich, that's the easy one.
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A lot of these guys that like Jamal Murray I
like Jamal Murray. He plays himself into shape. I'm not
signing that check. I'm not giving you three hundred million dollars, Luca.
That was the concern in Dallas. He's playing himself into shape.
Those are the guys that get hurt more so. I
think now that you have this, you have this new CBA,
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if you miss on a player like Trey Young gets buckets.
I like Trey I'm not paying that money for trade.
I didn't play defense. I don't know if he's a leader.
I don't know if he elevates teammates. He gives you
some assists. And I like Trey Young. But I think
all the stars thought, oh, this new CBA is great.
But I'm a billionaire. It's one thing paying Lebron thirty
eight million in his prime. I'll sign that check. All
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paint Lebron's seventy six million in this prime. But Kevin
Durant was a little flaky. Kevin Durant had a few injuries.
I'm on think about it. And that's why I said,
if Nico Harrison would have gotten three firsts and Austin
Reeves with a D, I would have defended the move.
Not sure I would have made it. I would have
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defended it. Like I get Yannis, he's had some injuries.
You don't want him with the ball late, he's bad
at the free throw line. Like that doesn't mean he's
not a star. But three hundred and eighty million dollars
you get into that area. I have to consider everything.
And it's just an incredibly putative new CBA and so
it's just not about getting buckets anymore. Here's Sga on
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winning the award.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
I always thought that I could be a really good
player because I had I had seen like what just
putting your head down and working and controlling what you
can control can do for you. I dreamt about as
a kid with a second eno as kid, it's a
fake dream. But to as the days go on and
you realize that, like you get closer to your dream,
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it's hard to like not freak out. It's hard to
like not be a six year old kid again. And
I think that's what's allowed me to achieve it.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You know, I got to tell you right now. With
the NBA, between Sga, Tyrese Haliburton, and Jalen Brunson, I'm
not sure there ever been three more relatable NBA stars.
I mean again, NBA guys are six eight. I remember
going to the SBS and you know, athletes are big,
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but they look like human beings. And then you watch
the NBA guys come in their tuxes and they're seven
to two. They don't look like the rest of it.
You know, Teddy Bruski I worked with, he was a great,
fearless linebacker. After he retired, he carried a briefcase. He
looked like the company's accountant. You couldn't tell. So I
just find that SGA is just such a relatable dude.
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Halliburton and Brunson. It's really cool. So we talked about
this yesterday. I said, I thought that Jason Kelsey, with
his inspirational speech to the owners, got the tush push barely. Now,
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I'll say this, it was a twenty two to ten
vote against the tush push. Let's not make it sound
like people were in favor of it. The league didn't
really want it. The Health and Safety Committee didn't want it,
the Rules Gimmittee didn't want it, and twenty two owners
didn't want it. But you needed twenty four to get
it banned. So the NFL as suspected asked the Packers
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to propose a failed Tush push. That's been reported, so
the league did not want it. The league didn't want it.
The vote led to a according to stories here, multiple
heated exchanges. So this is one of these things where
I said this yesterday. I think it's Jason Kelsey and
Jeffrey Lowie and this is the thing about the NFL,
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And I guess this is the same with every league.
But there are certain owners in the NFL that have
a lot of poll And it's not Michael Bidwell, Okay,
it is Jerry Jones wanted an NFL team in Vegas.
There's an NFL team in Vegas. Jerry Jones wanted the
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Rams to go from Saint Louis to Los Angeles. They
went from Saint Louis to Los Angeles. Robert Kraft has
always handled I'm not sure if he still does. For
years he handled all the TV deals. He would collectively
talk to all the owners and then he would go
call Fox in CBS and NBC and ESPN. So Jeffrey
Lourie of Philadelphia got a lot of smoke. Stan Cronky's
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one of the richest. Arthur Blank, the Hunt family, they've
earned it craft Jerry Jones. You know Detroit's owners, Cleveland's owner,
Chicago's owner, Arizona's owner. You know they don't have the
money that of the wins. I think people look at Philadelphia.
I don't think I think if twenty five teams were
doing the tush push, it would be banned. I think
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it is allowed because it's Philadelphia and Jeffrey lury And
I think I think there's only about four to five
owners that get this thing pushed through. A Steve Bushatti
of Baltimore maybe get its push, gets it pushed through.
But Philadelphia is iconic. They arguably have the most passionate
fan base. They're a blue blood that's incredibly important for
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the league. Jeffrey Lurie is a creative, progressive owner. Howie
Roseman has built the best roster. They're good for the league.
I mean, I've said this about all pro sports in America.
You could drop six to eight NHL teams, Nobody would
ninety nine percent of you don't know the arena of
the Saint Louis Blues playing. You could drop eight baseball teams.
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You could drop about five to six NBA teams. Nobody
would care it's the same in the NFL. I got
news for you. You could a race about six NFL teams.
Nobody would care. Philadelphia is one of those four foundational teams.
To me, like Philadelphia, the Niners, out West Philadelphia, the
Green Bay Packers' there's just a handful of teams. Dallas
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Cowboys obviously they just matter a lot. So I think
I think this comes down to Jeffrey Lowie, Philadelphia, they're
standing in the league, Jason Kelsey or this thing again.
The vote was twenty two to ten. If it was
twenty four to eight, it's banned, and you know people
are upset with it. I do think. I do think
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the one thing that you know, for years and years
Phil Jackson ran. They called it the triangle offense, and
you're like, why didn't everybody use the triangle offense? And
my argument would be because you didn't have Michael Jordan
and Kobe the triangle offense. Yeah, Lamar Odin was kind
of a clever player that it worked with. It worked
mostly to the Kobe and Michael Jordan. This tush push
(39:02):
works because it's the biggest offensive line in league history,
and it works because Jalen hurts squats six hundred pounds
and he's small. I mean you would if I would
have told you you'd never seen the tush push, because
Tom Brady in his era was a tall guy that
was kind of lanky and was the best quarterback, sneak guy.
If I would have told you you'd never watch the NFL,
I'd say, there's this team. All you knew is you
(39:27):
kind of had a sense of the league. I said,
there's this team that invented this play. It's a one
yard play. Who do you think runs it? You would
have guessed like, oh, Lamar Jackson could always get a yard,
or oh Josh Allen or Herbert they're huge, they could
get a yard. You know, you look at the big guy.
I said, No, it's Jalen Hurts. Second round. Jalen Hurts,
small squat six hundred and fifty pounds behind the biggest
(39:52):
offensive line in league history. So it's a lot of
Jalen Hurts this even with that old line. It doesn't
work with Jared Goff, it's not gonna, it's not working
with Brock Perdy. It's probably not working with Joe Burrow.
It works with Jalen Hurts. So I do think Philadelphia's
argument is A, there's no data that people are getting hurt,
and B we've got unique personnel. Don't punish us for
(40:15):
being the deepest offense in the league. Two receivers, two
tight ends, star quarterback, star back, four all pro level alignment.
Don't punish us for that. I think that's the best
argument I've had. Philadelphia fans say, you're punishing us. We
created some it's a good argument. Now. Now, the defensive
shift in baseball was created by Joe Madden down in Tampa,
(40:39):
and the problem was everybody started using right that wasn't
really player specific, and it made the game slower. You
did not want Bryce Harper lining out. You wanted Bryce
Harper and the hair and the look. You wanted it
on base. So that was so easy to duplicate it
became bad for the league. Just like Adam Sober right
(41:01):
now doesn't love all the three point shops because you
can find three point shooters. What Philadelphia is doing is
hard to duplicate, and so it's not all through the league.
You only see it about four times a game from
one team. So the unique flavor of it actually works
to Philadelphia's favor If twenty two teams were using this
(41:21):
eleven times a game, it would get banned because what
the owners really care about is the entertainment value. But
one team does it well and use it four to
five times a game. It's their thing. It's their thing.
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Speaker 1 (41:34):
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and Paul Pierce stopping by today on Yeah.
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I guess the good news for you the numbers on
the Brock Prety contract, that granular numbers are coming out.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
I'll send them to you during the break. Okay, you're
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