June 16, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin celebrates Caitlin Clark’s return from injury to score 9 points in 38 seconds and why her historic performance shows she’s just behind LeBron James and Steph Curry as the most popular basketball players in the world right now
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac, it
was a wild weekend tonight. By the way, O Tani
is pitching tonight, which is unbelievable. Also tonight, the Indiana
Pacers play oh Case. Now that's all. Let's I know,
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we'll have a Scott Foster segment. You're all worked up
about that, but I gotta tell you so yesterday you
open didn't have a lot of juice. Again for diehard golfers,
they think it's great, but most people don't know who
these guys are. But I gotta tell you something. The
Caitlin Clark yesterday thirty eight seconds. Caitlin Clark in thirty
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eight seconds, I don't know what second place is that's
the greatest thirty eight seconds in WNBA history, A mesmerizing
thirty eight seconds, a thirty three footer, a thirty one footer,
a twenty seven footer. The WNBA three point arc is
twenty two feet. It felt like you were watching history,
and I'm not overstating it. Kobe's eighty one point game,
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Michael Jordan's switching hands, Reggie Jackson with three home runs
on three pitches in the nineteen seventy seven World Series
against the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It felt like I was watching history.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, I know Lebron's block was the NBA Finals, But
it's interesting that you don't realize how much you miss
people until they're gone. So Kaitlin Clark had played high
school every week, and college every and the WNBA every game,
and then she misses five games and the ratings plummet
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fifty five percent league wide. Like it's like Saturday Night
Live when they don't have a big star on. Maybe
I'll catch a clip, not the show. She comes back.
Caitlin Clark Kent the woe Man of Steel. She was
calling for the ball and right now I'm sitting there
watching it, and I felt like, what in the look
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at these shots. What in the world am I watching?
Thirty three, thirty one and twenty seven feet? And you
know what was funny is SGA.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And Aunt Edwards.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The NBA is trying to peg some young guys his
face of the league. They had Aunt and SGA play
in the Western Conference finals and it had the lowest
rating in four years. They're trying. You say, well, the
markets are small. Well, Kaitlin Clark plays for the Indiana Fever.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
What does that matter.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
This goes to show that markets do not matter. That's
all nonsense. As she if if Lebron James, when Lebron
James was in Cleveland, we never said, well, the ratings
are great. It's amazing it's in Cleveland. Stars transcends state
lines right now, she's the biggest basketball.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Star in the world not named Lebron and Steph.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
She's bigger than Jokic, she's bigger than SGA, She's bigger
than Halliburton in Indiana for a terrible team a year ago.
But it was a remarkable thing to watch, and she's
got a little flash to it that helps. She's totally
unique and totally transcendent. But I'm watching live on television,
and my takeaway is, oh, this is one of those
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like once every two or three years, Like when Lebron
made that block in the finals, you're like, Oh, that's
gonna be an all time play, or Michael Jordan switches hands.
I didn't see Kobe live with eighty one, but if
you did, it probably felt like this. But I did
see Reggie Jackson in seventy seven, three pitchers, three pitches,
seventy seven against the Dodgers' home runs. I know it's
the world's siah. That is the greatest thirty eight seconds
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and the greatest stretch what we watched this weekend in
WNBA history. The league is twenty five, twenty six, twenty
seven years old, however it is that's the greatest moment.
I don't care about championships. Diana Tarassi Sue Brn, I
don't care. That was the greatest moment in league history.
Like other play when you're watching as forward and you're like, whoa, whoa.
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I mean, look at the depth on these shots. Look
at the It doesn't even look if you were Steph Curry,
you'd be going crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Look at that.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That feels like a half court shot. Look at this
stuff fifty five percent ratings lost when she left.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
She's back.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I don't know what the number is for that. I
would guess it's a season high ratings. Here's Caitlin Clark after.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I felt good and then I took one in transition.
That's kind of like where I like to get to
early and it's alwa's good to see the ball go
through the hoop. And then I came down and shot
another one. Then I came down and shot another one,
and so three in a row go in. So that
gives you a lot of confidence. And even in the
second half, I thought I felt like they all came
off my hand feeling really good. So like that's what
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you can find confidence in as a scorer and as
a shooter.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, the other thing this weekend that jumped out to me,
and again it wasn't the US Open. I know, all
you die hard golfers, you experts on golfs, you just
had a great time watching that rain delay.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
The Tiger Rocco mediate they put on television during the
rain delay, and Caitlin was far more interesting. You're not
gonna admit it because you're a great golfer and a
four handicap, but it didn't have a lot of juice.
The other thing that was interesting over the last four
or five days is the best soccer player in the
history of our country is Christian Polistic. It's don't argue it.
You don't have to be a soccer expert. Turn the
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sound down. Watch he's our Lebron, he's our MJ he's
our magic. It's just different looking. If you take him out,
we just don't look as good. And there's a bunch
of guys missing from the Gold Cup. But I have
been on team Polisic because he decided not play the
Gold Cup. He wanted to play in a couple of
the friendlies. But Mauricio Pucchettino, the managerournal get to this
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in a second, said naw, now we're not going to
do that. You're all in or you're all out. But
here's why I am for Christian Luisik and again team
USA one. As j Max said, settled down, they'll win.
They did five nothing over Trinida and Tobago. Okay, fine,
But as I talked about last week, for soccer players, basically,
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if you're the best soccer player in the world, you are.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Lebron what does Lebron do?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
He gets paid in the WNBA and then he plays
in the Olympics. Did Lebron did he play in the
recent Feeble World Championships.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
No, he didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And this is the equivalent the Gold Cup to the
Feeble World Championships in basketball. Did Jokich play in those? No,
he didn't play in those either. Jo Kich makes his
money here in America in the NBA and then he
goes and plays in the Olympics. And Lebron James makes
his money in the NBA and then he goes and
plays in the Olympics. Do you know who we as
America said to the Feeble World Championships the equivalent of this,
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Josh Hart, cam Johnson, a young Tyrese Haliburton, That's who
we said, Walker Kessler, Bobby Portis, That's who we said.
Jalen Brunson. Boon Carroll was like twenty, this is the
Gold Cup, that's what it is. And we have to
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be fair about this. If you're anti Polisic, he's not
supporting America. Do you think Lebron doesn't support America? Yeah,
he does. He ran the NBA for fifteen years and
he goes to the Olympics. Now, Steph Curry didn't get
to the Olympics till later because he was dominating the
league and he was winning championships. But that's all this is,
basically Christian Polisic is taking the NBA model. And by
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the way, the two most global sports are not baseball
or not football or not hockey. They're soccer and basketball.
In soccer and basketball and now forever, the best Europeans
come over here to play now our best soccer because
that's where the best basketball is. Now are the best
soccer players are good enough to go to AC Milan
and be first or second in scoring for their team
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and dominate. And so all Politic is doing, he's following
the basketball model. If Yo Kinch and Lebron aren't gonna
play in the FEBA World Championships, why in the world
am I playing in the Gold Cup, small crowds, second
tier teams. I mean, we went five nothing, We didn't
have her best seven players and we won five nothing.
So I am team Politic on this now. I also
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Landon Donovan talked about this. I also do believe that
we have a new coach and the new coach has
to send a message. So when Pulisic says, hey, I'll
come over and play a couple friendlies, but I don't
want to play in the Gold Cup.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm exhausted.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I played fifty games in ac Milan, and here was
Landon donoman on that you.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Had to address it.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
He I think was ready to move on. He wanted
to move on, guys.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
But then your best player and one of the leaders
on your team doesn't interview publicly and says I wanted
to go, but the coach wouldn't let me, and the
coach didn't want me there. He had to stand up
for himself. One to send a message to Christian, two
to send a message to the team and the pool,
but also for himself. You cannot be the coach that
gets walked on by your star player. So for his future,
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everybody's paying attention. People are going to possibly hire him.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Though.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
He can't just let his best player walk all over
him like that.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
He had to respond, Yes, totally agree.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
But if you are the best in America at anything,
whatever your chosen field is in America, if you're the
very best in Pulisica is in soccer, you gotta make
choices cash and country Feebo World Basketball Championship. That's not
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gonna make the cut. The Gold Cup. I liked watching it,
but we don't have our six best players. We won
five nothing I'm gonna defend. I'm on team Polisic here,
all right, j Mac, I am watching Scott Foster in
the reaction. I just stayed away away from this nonsense,
but I am. I'm also team Scott Foster.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
So this show's off to a great start, right. We
got Kayln Clark phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Did you watch that?
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (10:13):
You and my daughter, who's a basketball player, sometimes we're
just like in awe.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I mean, she just we were going to go out
to lunch.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
We had to wait until it was halftime because Kaylin Clark.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Was on fire. I mean we had twenty five and
a half. But you know, Kayln Clark goes off, You talk.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Soccer, and now you want to go to Scott Foster.
Do you know how much of a gut punch the
non cover was. I had plus six, I'm feeling great
all game. They're up four with three minutes.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Left and it fell apart. That was a brutal, gambling beat.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And I will say this though, remember the Warriors, Lebron
Calves Final when the Calves won in seven. Yes, it
was six blowouts in a Gray Final game. This series,
nobody's watching, but the games have been Three of the
four games have been absolutely fair, fantastic. That was a
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great basketball game. But it doesn't feel as big. There's
it's like the US Open yesterday, when you don't know
the players, it doesn't feel as big.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Yeah, no, are you gonna get into non foster the
push off by SGA and then they travel on like
the get in the shot to put them up with
like two minutes lefty, you gotta talk about that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Well, well, we'll talk about that. I also there was
a there was an NBA deal yesterday and people are
freaking out, and I want to address that coming up.
Don't forget Colin right, Colin wrong. Top of our number
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Speaker 2 (11:29):
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Speaker 3 (11:40):
Oh, there was actually a big trade yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You know. One of our favorite things we talked about
this last week with the Indiana Pacers who play OKC tonight,
series tied to two. Each team's one on the other floor.
I'm still not sure who the best team is. It's
Mike got of NBA Finals OKC favorite and I I'd
probably take him at home, but I love the Pacers.
So the Pacers sort of snuck up on right. You're like,
oh man, where did.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
They come from?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, the team that's going to do that, I think
next year is the Orlando Magic. And we talked about
it earlier this year we sat in the playoffs. We said,
keep your eye in Orlando. Boncaro Benkaro is a great player,
Jalen Suggs, Franz Wagner is going to be an All Star.
And they made a deal yesterday with Memphis and they
ended up getting Desmond Baine, who can shoot the three,
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not much of a defender. But now they have their
four guys, and so they gave up a bunch of
first round picks, like three or four first round picks.
Everybody freaked out. This is not the NFL where you
get twenty three year olds. These first round picks with
Memphis are all going to be low first round picks.
So the bottom line is in a hyper aggressive league
that rewards people like Toronto who went out and got
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Cohi Leonard, or the Lakers who are aggressive to get
pow Gasol in Shack, or the Warriors who were aggressive
to go out after winning a title and get KD.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
That's this league.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Aggressive wins now aggressive Westbrooklyille, Lakers and Lebron doesn't always win.
But I would always back the team that was aggressive.
So this is not the NFL. Draft picks do not
mean the same. You have a lower hit rate, especially
lower first round.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I mean in the NFL you.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Can get Puka Nakou in the fifth round, you can
get brock Perty in the seventh. That stuff happens all
the time. In the NBA, you're one out of players
by about the twelfth pick many years. So my take
his these are going to be low first rounders. But
there's two things that happen with this trade. Number one
is Memphis signaled we're rebooting. We're getting rid of Desmond Bane.
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We don't trust Jahn Morant. Jahn Morant's always hurt. He's
always been fools gold in my opinion, maturity issues. You
can't rely on him. Last three years he's worse. He's
missed half the games and his shooting percentage has gone down,
So by trading him, they're rebooting. Yeah, that's a Colin
was right. I never bought into Jah morant Is. Desmond
Baying a good player, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Can hit a three.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
He's aggressive, he's big, he's strong, not much of a defense.
Nobody can hit the three. And what Orlando was saying is, hey,
look at Indiana. Bank Carrow is better than anybody potentially
on Indiana. Can can Wagner be as good as Pascal Siakam?
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Why not us? I think Orlando's looking at these finals
and looking at the Pacers and saying, Milwaukee, Tatum's hurt
for Boston, New York's got a ceiling offensively, why not US?
So I love the move by Orlando. Now they've got
their core F Suggs, who had a rocky start from Gonzaga,
is now a nice player, tough defender, can hit a three.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
And again, Desmond.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Bain's gonna give you a nineteen twenty twenty one from
the tougher West of the weaker East. He get average
twenty two a game. Gives them a little maturity and
a little age on a very young team. But I
actually like the move there, and I also think I've been.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
On this for years.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
There are certain players in the end, overwhelmingly small, hyper
athletic guards that everybody falls in love with. I didn't
fall I didn't buy into John Wall or Early Westbrook,
or Derrick Rose or stuff on Marbury or Jahn Moran.
If you can't shoot as a small player, then you
have to score at the rim and you're gonna get hurt.
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And I'd said before John Morant, he's a lesser version,
a thinner version of smaller version of Derrick Rose, who
I thought was wildly great for highlights and really good.
But then you remember Derek Rose for the Bulls taking
on Lebron, remember that I think Lebron was a Cleveland
at that time, and Lebron saying in the fourth quarter,
I'm gonna shut him down, bigger, stronger Lebron did. This
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league is overwhelmingly won by biggs and unbelievable wings, not
my small guys who are hyper athletic and can't shoot.
So I never bt into the Jah Morant stuff. I'd
like him as my two or my three, but I
can't build around him in Memphis. Finally acknowledging, yeah, we
can't build around him either, but don't worry about the
draft picks. Yeah, I don't love giving up four first rounders,
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but Orlando is going to be a top five to
six team.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
They're gonna be Indiana, So those picks at the bottom
of the first round don't mean a ton and Bane's
a real player in Orlando. We watched them in the
playoffs this year, and then we set it on this
show during during the series, we're like, oh, you don't
want to play Orlando. If they get another guy or
if they mature, they have a chance to be Indiana
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next year, especially now with Desmond bang Jmack with.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
A news no, no.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
No, this is the Herd line news.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Remember that series.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
It was against Boston and we were surprised how this
young Orlando team was like pushing back in. The games
were competitive when Boston had been an unbelievable team all
regular season, and we you and I kept saying, like
Detroit gave the Knicks trouble. We're like, Okay, Cunningham's a
real deal and Orlando's out there against the Celtics, were like.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
How are these games close?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Now?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
They just added a guy that could be an All
Star or a borderline All Star.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
And Basically, this is the Michale Bridges trade that the
Knicks did right. Bridges had not been an All Star,
but he fetch five firsts and he's valuable. I think
this I'm with you. I think the bain is huge
in Orlando. Remember Suggs is a great defender. They got
two tough defensive guards. Man, I love that move. All right,
let's get started to calm Michael Parsons obviously still seeking
a new contract, but at.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
The same time, so are Trey hendricksoner TJ Watt.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
It's almost like a standoff because whoever goes first, then
the next guy just gonna get a little bit more,
and the next guy.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Will get a little bit more than that. So it's weird.
But Parsons says, the longer it goes that, the more
it's gonna cost Dallas.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
And if you look at the highest paid non quarterbacks
in the league, I mean, are you giving Michael.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Parsons more than Jamar Chase.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I'm not doing that now, Dallas.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I guess they're going to Jason. I think, what is happening.
I'm gonna I'm projecting this. I don't know if it's happening,
but it feels like it. We've always viewed edge rushers
as gold bars, and I do think Miles Garrett is
one of one. But I think the Steelers are looking
and saying, we're already paying the most for defense, and
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we gotta pay forty five million for TJ.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And I think Hendrickson for Cincinnati, though I would sign him,
I think they're looking at him, and then I think
Dallas is looking at Micah Parsons. And the truth is,
the guys that really dominate the defensive line are Jalen Carter,
Chris Jones, and Aaron Donald. They're interior defensive lineman and
those are much more rare body types. When you get
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a three hundred and forty three hundred and thirty pound
guy with good feet, Reggie White, Aaron Donald.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Chris Jones.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I don't know how much Chris Ways, but I think
Jalen Carter walks into the NFL and everybody's like, that's
what we need. And the draft gives you maybe one
of those every other year. So think about this, think
about scarcity. You're gonna ultimately pay Jason any Field for scarcity.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
If something's great.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Great quarterbacks, you average about one a draft unbelievable, dominating
Chris Jones, Jalen Carter defensive lineman, interior about one maybe
a draft edge rushers, although not wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
There's more of them.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
College football's given you four to five to six edge
rushers annually that can play very quickly, and so I.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Feel like I kind of feel like, I mean, Max.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Crosby got his and because they don't have an offense,
he's really valuable. But I think Cincinnati looks at Joe
Burrow in their offense and says, can we draft to Hendrickson?
And I do wonder with Michael Parsons if Dallas is saying,
I don't know if we're paying CD and Dak can
we pay I'm not saying they don't have value, but
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there isn't a scarcity for edge rusher as there is
for Jalen Carter.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Yeah, I know it sounds tough, but the boss to
Red Sox back in the day for Moneyball, We're like,
we can't afford this guy. Can we recreate him in
the aggregate with three guys who have a similar skill set?
So you're right, if you can get a defensive tackle
hard to find, right, three hundred and thirty pounds, moves
it jumps out of a swimming pool like incredible athletes.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
And we just get three edge rushers.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Can three edge rushers do what Michah Parsons is doing
if you rotate them? And remember the Niners a few
years ago had that strategy with Robert Solo. We're just
gonna have four edge rushers just coming at the quarterback
all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, I mean, just look at the NFC West shared
verse now edge rusher dominant, Bosa dominant. I mean just
in that division you have two guys. I mean you
start looking at the pass rushers. Arizona had Chandler Jones
for a while. You start looking at a lot of
these edge rushers. It feel like the Chargers had Bosa
and Khalil Mack. It's what team has two great interior
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defensive linemen. But there are teams with multiple pass rushers
from the edge because the body types not you know,
it's not as unique. So I I think, like I
said this about TJ. Watt, people think it's crazy. He's
thirty one. You want to pay him forty five million
a year. I think I can find seventy five percent
of him on the market or in the draft. You
can't find Jalen Carter in a draft. He's like once
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he's the best the interior lineman since Chris Jones.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Yeah, we're getting to the point maybe in all the
three big sports where it's like, hey, do we want
Kevin Durant at fifty mil? Or can we get like
three guys to total fifty mil? Like what the Pacers
and Thunder have to, you know, to basically recreate a
Kevin Durant. And you and I have been on this.
I would have moved off Michael Parsons. I would have
traded him. I know that sounds sacrilegious. But now you're
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gonna he wants forty million.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Dollars a year.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Pelling I don't see how that gets Dallas any better
at all. Anyways, next story is this is a dubious one.
But Travis Kelsey, we know he had a brutal playoff run,
the worst season of his career. Well guess what this
offseason he has lost twenty five pounds.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
That's an estimate.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Last season Kelsey was listed at too fitty and he
had a brutal year. Now they're saying he's down to
two twenty five. I didn't see the word O Zempeck in.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Any of the stories, So maybe this is O Nachirel.
But with his travel schedule, you know, I mean you
look online.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
He's in a different city every night, living it up,
go to events, eating really nice dinners with Taylor says,
I don't see how this is possible, But you're a
bon vivant yourself. Maybe maybe you can tell me about
how you somehow lose twenty five pounds goot traveling, eating
dinner every night.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Well, I think what's happened is he's you know, he's
telling you last year he wore out at the end
of the season. He wants to be you know, Lamar
Jackson did this. Remember last year Lamar showed up and
we're like, did that dude lose weight? Lamar lost weight.
Lamar's like, I want to be faster. I think Travis
Kelcey looked at his film and said, I've lost speed
and that was my That was really his secret sauce.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
It wasn't.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
He was a good blocker, had good hands, but he
was never as big as Gronk. What he was was
a guy you couldn't defend him. He had speed, He
beat guys down the field and that relationship with Mahomes,
And I think he looked at himself and thought, I
have lost a step. How do I get it back?
You get it back by losing weight. Lamar Jackson did this.
We don't love that Lamar Jackson is lighter. But Lamar
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watched this film and said, listen, I know what I
am right Like, I'm not ready from the pocket. I'm okay,
But what I am is the fastest quarterback ever. I
lost a step or I don't feel like quite have
the burst.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'm gonna come in thinner. So I think that's what
it is.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Yeah, it feels like isn't that every human being.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
On planet Earth?
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Hey, I gained some weight. I'm slowing down. Let me
drop some weight. So yeah, I'm believe it when I
see it. Final story is this gentleman named Shedeur Sanders,
the fourth string quarterback in Cleveland. Yet here we are
doing a big story on him because, according to a report,
Shiteduer made an impression Colin which could give him momentum
heading in the next month.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
The report has the plans for the Browns.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Quarterback situation is they want all of them to practice
different throws in different situations and guess what, Colin, They've
answered the bell, including Shador, who what the ball in
some tight windows and through with some aggressiveness.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I'll let you just wax poetic.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Ur Sanders, Well, he was historically accurate in college, and
now he has had the greatest mini camp ota in
NFL history.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
So I said this last week.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
When a quarterback's college skill set translates and you can
see it very quickly, that impresses me because a lot
of times it doesn't. You think, oh, Tim Tebow super
athletic for college. Tim Tebow's a marginal tight end level
athlete in the NFL, right, Johnny Manziel, Oh my god,
(24:47):
he's so athletic. Oh No, that was college, not the NFL.
But if you watch Lamar Jackson or Steve Young when
I was younger, and you're like, Steve Young ran around
for BYU, and then you watch the NFL and you're like, oh,
he makes guys miss in the NFL. Shadur was seventy
four percent in college, seventy seven seventy eight percent. He
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may not be a great NFL quarterback, but what he
does well is translate.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So that's something to lean off.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
I'm gonna get on our graphics staff to make sure
that they put like an asterisk by all his numbers,
and then below they need to say versus backups, right,
second string guys who are working out during the day
and deliberate door dash at night. That's who Shador is
torching in this mini camp. Let's just settle down. Dylan
Gabriel is facing the ones. Kenny Pickett, your guy is
(25:37):
facing the ones. So I'm not gonna freak out, but
you are welcome.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
To all right.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So I have to set this so I want to
set this story out. So Jamak, as he eloquently put it,
had Indiana and the points and so for anybody that
did on Friday, it was a pretty gutting loss.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
But my premise on officials is that athletes are bigger
and faster than ever and the NBA, I mean, look
at Baseball's acknowledging. Now we're just gonna do robots at
home plate. There's greater consequences, there's more money. So ask yourself,
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what is the toughest call for an NFL official to make?
And I think most of us would would agree it's
pass interference. I mean there's always contact. It's like, what
level of grabbing and clutching and contact will you allow?
There's grabbing and clutching on every ball down the sideline.
It's just a matter of the discretion of the official.
(26:51):
So I've always said at the highest level, like the NBA,
basketball is incredibly difficult to officiate.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
And consider this during the playoffs, when.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
The league historically has always swallowed the whistle, fans can't
quite wrap their arms around. I watch this then and
this now, and it doesn't feel right. And so if
you end up officiating in World Cups or Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Or the World Series or the NBA.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Finals, you are viewed by the league as somebody that
can handle it. So the reason Scott Foster is often
a target of criticism is because he officiates the biggest games. Yes,
Scott Foster honestly feels like one of those character actors.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I can't name him, but I've seen him all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Right, and so Foster makes a call in people freak out.
But I just want to give you a reminder. SGA
is six to six and a buck ninety five He's
not a powerful player, so on this move that's working
you up, he does.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Not have Lebron's strength.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
What happens is if you watch it, that he did
give him a nudge, but that the pacer player, Nay Smith,
tripped over his feet, making it look like a significantly
botched call. If you watch it again, Nay Smith falls
over his feet. I'm sorry, Nay Smith weighs fifteen pounds
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more than Sga. SGA's a string bean by Pro Athlete
Standard six six one ninety five. This looks worse because
he trips. Now it's a go either way call it is,
And I know you didn't like it, and most people
didn't if it was called fine, But I want to
remind you of this. What's one of the most iconic
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plays of all time in the NBA. I would say
Michael Jordan over a Brian Russell of the Utah Jazz.
Remember that this is arguably a top five most iconic
play ever. Oh, that's interesting. Would you rather not have
that count?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Oh? You love that play.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
So in that play, like the Sja Nasmith play, Russell
gets ahead of himself loses balance, so it looks like
Jordan with a left hand shoves a two hundred pound
athlete out of the way.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
He never did.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Russell bit on the Michael move, full steam ahead, leaning
Michael with a gentle touch to the left hand, and
it looks like he shoved him. Michael was strong. He's
not that strong, okay. And remember Kevin Durant and Lebron
had a similar situation years ago. Do you remember this
on the baseline? Oh, they didn't call that either. Isn't
(29:49):
that interesting? So they didn't call this? Remember this, you
guys all freaked out. And I said at the time,
Durant's leaning making it look like he got Butcher. He didn't,
and SGA pushing Naysmith. It's not as bad as you think.
Brian Russell and Michael Jordan. These are all time plays.
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And what's the consistent part of all three plays? NBA finals,
NBA refs. Let him play, all her finals, all her
stars and the referees. As I've been saying for years,
let stars play. That's why they put Scott Foster in
these moments. Let them play. You look at that Jordan
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Brian Russell play, you'd think Michael grabbed a wheelbarrow, put
him in it and shoved him. Russell's headlong fly wasn't
a foul. Michael's using his hand. You're not gonna call that.
You're not the SGA thing. He's six six, one ninety five.
Of the amazing things that SGA has, being forceful and
(30:56):
powerful is not one of them. So if you're told
totally honest, look at Nathanmith's feet. He trips, he falls
over his own feet because of the momentum.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Watch his feet. Oh it's a shove.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
SGA can't shove a guy that's fifteen pounds heavier. Watch
watch his feet. He trips over SGA's feet. It makes
it look awful. So again, if you didn't have the
pacers plus six, like I get, people are upset. But
this whole thing about Scott Foster, the leagues out.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
To get him. Scott Foster is.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
The official in the NFL that ends up in conference
championship in Super Bowls. He's good at what he does.
Here's Rick Carlile defending him.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Far as officiating, I think I think it's awful what
some of the things I've seen about about the officiating
and Scott Foster in particular. I know Scott Foster for
thirty years. He's a great official. He's done a great
job in his playoffs. We've had him a lot of times.
(31:58):
And the ridiculous scrutiny that's being thrown out there is
terrible and unfair and unjust and stupid.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Lebron kd SGA, Michael Jordan, they swallow the whistle that
just like you just get that a lot. They're gonna
swallow the whistle, by the way, the story of this game,
and I watched every basket like you was in the
final three minutes. Oklahoma City and they're all NBA defensive
level guys played unbelievable, suffocating defense. And you know what
(32:38):
OKAC played like their season was on the line. Oh
wait it was. We know that athletes played different in
different situations and that urgency, ebbs and flows. Oklahoma City's
defense was historically great, and for that three minutes, it
was incredible. I felt like I was watching Mahomes against
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the Eagles pass ru rush. Indy could not get a shot.
Indy's a great team. They could not generate offense motion,
There was blocks, there were steals. Yeah, you don't have
to love that call by Scott Foster if you're honest
and YouTube and go back to the last three minutes.
Look at the defensive intensity of Oklahoma City. It was
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all these guys who out the regular season. We kept saying,
is it's the best defensive team ever? And Oklahoma City
had solved that riddle for parts of the series, especially
this young team on the road. The final three minutes
were art. It was it was man and man coverage
with two Pro Bowl corners and a pass rush Indy
couldn't I think Indy had an airball at one point
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Speaker 1 (35:16):
So there was You know, for years and years I
talked about you have to send a message. You would
never as a sports fan, you would never go to
a restaurant if service in the food was bad two
or three straight times. Even if you love the restaurant,
if it got worse, you'd stop going. You'd never go
to a car dealership if they sold you too Lemons.
But in sports there's this sort of kind of weird
(35:39):
loyalty thing where you send messages all the time to
your ownership, which is it doesn't matter what the product is,
I'm gonna go to the games. And the Boston Red
Sox are number one in Baseball in profit margin.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I think they're number like four.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
In revenue, but they're the most profitable team, even more
profitable than the Dodgers. And so the message the Red
Sox fans send, even though they're not World Series viable,
I mean they don't. They're not close to the Dodgers.
They're not as good as the Yankees. I don't think
they're as well run as the Braves. But the message
is our play seats about thirty six five and you
know he put about thirty four thousand in regardless if
(36:18):
you trade and Moki bets or not, and so eighty
seven percent capacity for every home game since twenty twenty five.
That's that's near the top of Majrigue baseball, and so
yesterday they make a big deal Rafeael Devers, one of
the top ten to fifteen hitters in baseball, and he
gets traded. Now, first of all, he's a lot of maintenance.
He threatened, reportedly threatened to ask for trade in spring training.
(36:41):
He doesn't want to play first base. They needed him
to play first base, so he and the manager did
not get along. Alex Cora, he was not long for
the room. He's got a huge contract, and so eventually
they made a trade yesterday, And like the Nico Harrison
MAVs Lakers trade, the feeling in Boston is we didn't
get enough. I'm not a Baseball America guy, so I
don't know if you got enough. Most people say you
didn't get.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
An enough, and that's fine. There's a lot of our
baseball reporters you could follow on that.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
But the bottom line is the owner, John Henry, has
added to his portfolio since he bought the Red Sox Liverpool,
and Liverpool is not profitable right now and they need
to add a star. There's a German star out there
they want to sign for one hundred and fifty million dollars.
So the messaging, you know it could be a line
(37:25):
item for John Henry. He's looking at it, thinking, I
still almost sell out Boston. There's in the summer, Celtic
season's over, Patriots camp hasn't started. It's Boston. Fenway's legendary,
and people mostly pack it. And we got a bunch
of farm hands and some are pretty good, some are okay,
and we're just going to keep doing this. So what's
the message. Fenwale be mostly full. Liverpool, which isn't profitable.
(37:48):
But by the way, Liverpool's probably worth if it was
on the market, six to seven billion dollars, and the
Red Sox probably on the market because baseball isn't growing
like the English Premier League, probably be worth four billion.
So he has Liverpool, which, by the way, to show
you how Liverpool is growing, Lebron James in twenty eleven
bought a two percent stake of Liverpool for six and
(38:10):
a half million bucks. That's now worth one hundred million dollars.
So the bottom line is those Premier League teams are
exploding in value. So John Henry looks at that and
goes in my portfolio, I's see, I've got RFK Racing,
and I've got Liverpool and I've got the Red Sox.
The one that's exploding is Liverpool and they're not nearly
as profitable yet, then the Red Sox are profitable, win
(38:32):
or lose. So the message Red Sox fans are sending
us it doesn't matter. I mean, they got fleeced in
the Mookie betsteal, you still went to the games. If
you want to make a difference as a sports fan,
then don't go to the restaurant after four bad meals.
Don't buy a car from a car lot that gave
you back to back lemons. That's not on the Red
Sox that you're sending a message that it doesn't matter. Well,
(38:54):
what are you gonna do tonight? Let's go to the
Let's go to Fenway Park, don't go to the beach,
go to whatever you do in Austin, have a bullet,
shouta whatever you do, do it.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
But I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
John Henry keeps building up this portfolio and he's like, Okay,
Liverpool is going to be worth seven billion if I
ever wanted to sell it, which they probably won't. The
Red Sox are worth a little more than half, and
the Red Sox are already number one in profit and
all you do is complain about the Red Sox, but
they're number one in profit, more than the Dodgers. So
you know he's looking at it going all right, I mean,
(39:28):
we won't be as good with this guy.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
But he didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
My manager didn't like him. My GM was sitting there
on a like Devers. He drives me nuts. He has
a top fifteen hitters. So the Giant's got a great player,
but gave out some good farmhands. So I think there's
messages you can send. And I know, well, if I
give up my Red Sox tickets, I'll never get him back. Nonsense,
that's nonsense. I can get great tickets. You can get
great tickets on any seat app you want tomorrow. And
(39:53):
who goes to every game at home? It's eighty one
home game. Nobody's going to all the games anyway, So
and yell and you can scream, but the messaging by
fans is it doesn't matter. Eighty seven ninety percent full anyway,
it doesn't matter. And this guy threatened, He was threatening
that he wanted to be traded in spring trading with
(40:15):
a huge contract. So it wasn't long for the organization.
Like the Luca deal, I get the move. You probably
should should have gotten more. If you're the Dallas Mavericks,
you know the baseball people are saying you should have
gotten more. It's all about messaging. What message are you
sending the owner? You keep filling the stadium. All these owners, now,
these domestic owners, they're owning stuff overseas, they're owning I mean,
(40:39):
you got players in America like Lebron owning some of
these Premier League teams. What's the message you send? You
do have power collectively, you have to use it, which
I know isn't a popular answer, but you know, I've
been the Fenway a few times. It's packed, regardless of
the team. J Mack Colin, right, Colin wra on top
(41:01):
of the hour. So I defended Scott Foster. Yeah, I
thought owner and the owner of the Red Sox two
very popular opinions.
Speaker 7 (41:07):
Well, I'm out on the I don't know the Red
Sox stuff. I haven't read as much on that trade.
But the Scott Foster.
Speaker 6 (41:13):
Thing, you kept saying, look at Michemi's feet, look at
his feet, look at the arm.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
The pushoff by the rule book, extending the arm is
an offensive foul.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
It should have been called it's undeniable, but I gotta listen.
I gotta give Mark Dagnall credit. He made a great
adjustment late.
Speaker 7 (41:29):
Did you notice he had a two man game between
j Dubb and Sga and that got Nemhard off Sga.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
SGA goes for like fifteen.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
Points in the fourth court. It was a smart move.
Pacers didn't have a counter in time. I think series
is over. I don't think Pasers can come back.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Well, we keep saying that.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And by the way, if that would have been called,
I wouldn't have been bothered by it. What I'm saying
is the fact that it wasn't called. Go back to
MJ and Russell, go back to Lebron and Durant. We
have a history in the finals of whistle swallowing often
with stars thirty eight don't want Yeah, well a lot
of us, but it's it's at least it's consistent.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Let them buy you two clips. We brought you the clips.
Speaker 6 (42:09):
Let him play cowhard.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Come on, all right, Colin right, Colin wrong now
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we'll have a Scott Foster segment. You're all worked up
about that, but I gotta tell you so yesterday you
open didn't have a lot of juice. Again for diehard golfers,
they think it's great, but most people don't know who
these guys are. But I gotta tell you something. The
Caitlin Clark yesterday thirty eight seconds. Caitlin Clark in thirty
(01:13):
eight seconds, I don't know what second place is that's
the greatest thirty eight seconds in WNBA history, A mesmerizing
thirty eight seconds, a thirty three footer, a thirty one footer,
a twenty seven footer. The WNBA three point arc is
twenty two feet. It felt like you were watching history,
and I'm not overstating it. Kobe's eighty one point game,
(01:36):
Michael Jordan's switching hands, Reggie Jackson with three home runs
on three pitches in the nineteen seventy seven World Series
against the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It felt like I was watching history.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, I know Lebron's block was the NBA Finals, But
it's interesting that you don't realize how much you miss
people until they're gone. So Kaitlin Clark had played high
school every week, and college every and the WNBA every game,
and then she misses five games and the ratings plummet
(02:07):
fifty five percent league wide. Like it's like Saturday Night
Live when they don't have a big star on. Maybe
I'll catch a clip, not the show. She comes back.
Caitlin Clark Kent the woe Man of Steel. She was
calling for the ball and right now I'm sitting there
watching it, and I felt like, what in the look
(02:27):
at these shots. What in the world am I watching?
Thirty three, thirty one and twenty seven feet? And you
know what was funny is SGA.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And Aunt Edwards.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The NBA is trying to peg some young guys his
face of the league. They had Aunt and SGA play
in the Western Conference finals and it had the lowest
rating in four years. They're trying. You say, well, the
markets are small. Well, Kaitlin Clark plays for the Indiana Fever.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
What does that matter.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
This goes to show that markets do not matter. That's
all nonsense. As she if if Lebron James, when Lebron
James was in Cleveland, we never said, well, the ratings
are great. It's amazing it's in Cleveland. Stars transcends state
lines right now, she's the biggest basketball.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Star in the world not named Lebron and Steph.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
She's bigger than Jokic, she's bigger than SGA, She's bigger
than Halliburton in Indiana for a terrible team a year ago.
But it was a remarkable thing to watch, and she's
got a little flash to it that helps. She's totally
unique and totally transcendent. But I'm watching live on television,
and my takeaway is, oh, this is one of those
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like once every two or three years, Like when Lebron
made that block in the finals, you're like, Oh, that's
gonna be an all time play, or Michael Jordan switches hands.
I didn't see Kobe live with eighty one, but if
you did, it probably felt like this. But I did
see Reggie Jackson in seventy seven, three pitchers, three pitches,
seventy seven against the Dodgers' home runs. I know it's
the world's siah. That is the greatest thirty eight seconds
(04:03):
and the greatest stretch what we watched this weekend in
WNBA history. The league is twenty five, twenty six, twenty
seven years old, however it is that's the greatest moment.
I don't care about championships. Diana Tarassi Sue Brn, I
don't care. That was the greatest moment in league history.
Like other play when you're watching as forward and you're like, whoa, whoa.
(04:25):
I mean, look at the depth on these shots. Look
at the It doesn't even look if you were Steph Curry,
you'd be going crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Look at that.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That feels like a half court shot. Look at this
stuff fifty five percent ratings lost when she left.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
She's back.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I don't know what the number is for that. I
would guess it's a season high ratings. Here's Caitlin Clark after.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I felt good and then I took one in transition.
That's kind of like where I like to get to
early and it's alwa's good to see the ball go
through the hoop. And then I came down and shot
another one. Then I came down and shot another one,
and so three in a row go in. So that
gives you a lot of confidence. And even in the
second half, I thought I felt like they all came
off my hand feeling really good. So like that's what
(05:11):
you can find confidence in as a scorer and as
a shooter.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, the other thing this weekend that jumped out to me,
and again it wasn't the US Open. I know, all
you die hard golfers, you experts on golfs, you just
had a great time watching that rain delay.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
The Tiger Rocco mediate they put on television during the
rain delay, and Caitlin was far more interesting. You're not
gonna admit it because you're a great golfer and a
four handicap, but it didn't have a lot of juice.
The other thing that was interesting over the last four
or five days is the best soccer player in the
history of our country is Christian Polistic. It's don't argue it.
You don't have to be a soccer expert. Turn the
(05:45):
sound down. Watch he's our Lebron, he's our MJ he's
our magic. It's just different looking. If you take him out,
we just don't look as good. And there's a bunch
of guys missing from the Gold Cup. But I have
been on team Polisic because he decided not play the
Gold Cup. He wanted to play in a couple of
the friendlies. But Mauricio Pucchettino, the managerournal get to this
(06:06):
in a second, said naw, now we're not going to
do that. You're all in or you're all out. But
here's why I am for Christian Luisik and again team
USA one. As j Max said, settled down, they'll win.
They did five nothing over Trinida and Tobago. Okay, fine,
But as I talked about last week, for soccer players, basically,
(06:27):
if you're the best soccer player in the world, you are.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Lebron what does Lebron do?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
He gets paid in the WNBA and then he plays
in the Olympics. Did Lebron did he play in the
recent Feeble World Championships.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
No, he didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And this is the equivalent the Gold Cup to the
Feeble World Championships in basketball. Did Jokich play in those? No,
he didn't play in those either. Jo Kich makes his
money here in America in the NBA and then he
goes and plays in the Olympics. And Lebron James makes
his money in the NBA and then he goes and
plays in the Olympics. Do you know who we as
America said to the Feeble World Championships the equivalent of this,
(07:01):
Josh Hart, cam Johnson, a young Tyrese Haliburton, That's who
we said, Walker Kessler, Bobby Portis, That's who we said.
Jalen Brunson. Boon Carroll was like twenty, this is the
Gold Cup, that's what it is. And we have to
(07:22):
be fair about this. If you're anti Polisic, he's not
supporting America. Do you think Lebron doesn't support America? Yeah,
he does. He ran the NBA for fifteen years and
he goes to the Olympics. Now, Steph Curry didn't get
to the Olympics till later because he was dominating the
league and he was winning championships. But that's all this is,
basically Christian Polisic is taking the NBA model. And by
(07:43):
the way, the two most global sports are not baseball
or not football or not hockey. They're soccer and basketball.
In soccer and basketball and now forever, the best Europeans
come over here to play now our best soccer because
that's where the best basketball is. Now are the best
soccer players are good enough to go to AC Milan
and be first or second in scoring for their team
(08:05):
and dominate. And so all Politic is doing, he's following
the basketball model. If Yo Kinch and Lebron aren't gonna
play in the FEBA World Championships, why in the world
am I playing in the Gold Cup, small crowds, second
tier teams. I mean, we went five nothing, We didn't
have her best seven players and we won five nothing.
So I am team Politic on this now. I also
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Landon Donovan talked about this. I also do believe that
we have a new coach and the new coach has
to send a message. So when Pulisic says, hey, I'll
come over and play a couple friendlies, but I don't
want to play in the Gold Cup.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm exhausted.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I played fifty games in ac Milan, and here was
Landon donoman on that you.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Had to address it.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
He I think was ready to move on. He wanted
to move on, guys.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
But then your best player and one of the leaders
on your team doesn't interview publicly and says I wanted
to go, but the coach wouldn't let me, and the
coach didn't want me there. He had to stand up
for himself. One to send a message to Christian, two
to send a message to the team and the pool,
but also for himself. You cannot be the coach that
gets walked on by your star player. So for his future,
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everybody's paying attention. People are going to possibly hire him.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Though.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
He can't just let his best player walk all over
him like that.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
He had to respond, Yes, totally agree.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
But if you are the best in America at anything,
whatever your chosen field is in America, if you're the
very best in Pulisica is in soccer, you gotta make
choices cash and country Feebo World Basketball Championship. That's not
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gonna make the cut. The Gold Cup. I liked watching it,
but we don't have our six best players. We won
five nothing I'm gonna defend. I'm on team Polisic here,
all right, j Mac, I am watching Scott Foster in
the reaction. I just stayed away away from this nonsense,
but I am. I'm also team Scott Foster.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
So this show's off to a great start, right. We
got Kayln Clark phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Did you watch that?
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (10:13):
You and my daughter, who's a basketball player, sometimes we're
just like in awe.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I mean, she just we were going to go out
to lunch.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
We had to wait until it was halftime because Kaylin Clark.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Was on fire. I mean we had twenty five and
a half. But you know, Kayln Clark goes off, You talk.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Soccer, and now you want to go to Scott Foster.
Do you know how much of a gut punch the
non cover was. I had plus six, I'm feeling great
all game. They're up four with three minutes.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Left and it fell apart. That was a brutal, gambling beat.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And I will say this though, remember the Warriors, Lebron
Calves Final when the Calves won in seven. Yes, it
was six blowouts in a Gray Final game. This series,
nobody's watching, but the games have been Three of the
four games have been absolutely fair, fantastic. That was a
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great basketball game. But it doesn't feel as big. There's
it's like the US Open yesterday, when you don't know
the players, it doesn't feel as big.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Yeah, no, are you gonna get into non foster the
push off by SGA and then they travel on like
the get in the shot to put them up with
like two minutes lefty, you gotta talk about that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Well, well, we'll talk about that. I also there was
a there was an NBA deal yesterday and people are
freaking out, and I want to address that coming up.
Don't forget Colin right, Colin wrong. Top of our number
two in Chicago, It's the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
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Speaker 3 (11:40):
Oh, there was actually a big trade yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You know. One of our favorite things we talked about
this last week with the Indiana Pacers who play OKC tonight,
series tied to two. Each team's one on the other floor.
I'm still not sure who the best team is. It's
Mike got of NBA Finals OKC favorite and I I'd
probably take him at home, but I love the Pacers.
So the Pacers sort of snuck up on right. You're like,
oh man, where did.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
They come from?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, the team that's going to do that, I think
next year is the Orlando Magic. And we talked about
it earlier this year we sat in the playoffs. We said,
keep your eye in Orlando. Boncaro Benkaro is a great player,
Jalen Suggs, Franz Wagner is going to be an All Star.
And they made a deal yesterday with Memphis and they
ended up getting Desmond Baine, who can shoot the three,
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not much of a defender. But now they have their
four guys, and so they gave up a bunch of
first round picks, like three or four first round picks.
Everybody freaked out. This is not the NFL where you
get twenty three year olds. These first round picks with
Memphis are all going to be low first round picks.
So the bottom line is in a hyper aggressive league
that rewards people like Toronto who went out and got
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Cohi Leonard, or the Lakers who are aggressive to get
pow Gasol in Shack, or the Warriors who were aggressive
to go out after winning a title and get KD.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
That's this league.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Aggressive wins now aggressive Westbrooklyille, Lakers and Lebron doesn't always win.
But I would always back the team that was aggressive.
So this is not the NFL. Draft picks do not
mean the same. You have a lower hit rate, especially
lower first round.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I mean in the NFL you.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Can get Puka Nakou in the fifth round, you can
get brock Perty in the seventh. That stuff happens all
the time. In the NBA, you're one out of players
by about the twelfth pick many years. So my take
his these are going to be low first rounders. But
there's two things that happen with this trade. Number one
is Memphis signaled we're rebooting. We're getting rid of Desmond Bane.
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We don't trust Jahn Morant. Jahn Morant's always hurt. He's
always been fools gold in my opinion, maturity issues. You
can't rely on him. Last three years he's worse. He's
missed half the games and his shooting percentage has gone down,
So by trading him, they're rebooting. Yeah, that's a Colin
was right. I never bought into Jah morant Is. Desmond
Baying a good player, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Can hit a three.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
He's aggressive, he's big, he's strong, not much of a defense.
Nobody can hit the three. And what Orlando was saying is, hey,
look at Indiana. Bank Carrow is better than anybody potentially
on Indiana. Can can Wagner be as good as Pascal Siakam?
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Why not us? I think Orlando's looking at these finals
and looking at the Pacers and saying, Milwaukee, Tatum's hurt
for Boston, New York's got a ceiling offensively, why not US?
So I love the move by Orlando. Now they've got
their core F Suggs, who had a rocky start from Gonzaga,
is now a nice player, tough defender, can hit a three.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
And again, Desmond.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Bain's gonna give you a nineteen twenty twenty one from
the tougher West of the weaker East. He get average
twenty two a game. Gives them a little maturity and
a little age on a very young team. But I
actually like the move there, and I also think I've been.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
On this for years.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
There are certain players in the end, overwhelmingly small, hyper
athletic guards that everybody falls in love with. I didn't
fall I didn't buy into John Wall or Early Westbrook,
or Derrick Rose or stuff on Marbury or Jahn Moran.
If you can't shoot as a small player, then you
have to score at the rim and you're gonna get hurt.
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And I'd said before John Morant, he's a lesser version,
a thinner version of smaller version of Derrick Rose, who
I thought was wildly great for highlights and really good.
But then you remember Derek Rose for the Bulls taking
on Lebron, remember that I think Lebron was a Cleveland
at that time, and Lebron saying in the fourth quarter,
I'm gonna shut him down, bigger, stronger Lebron did. This
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league is overwhelmingly won by biggs and unbelievable wings, not
my small guys who are hyper athletic and can't shoot.
So I never bt into the Jah Morant stuff. I'd
like him as my two or my three, but I
can't build around him in Memphis. Finally acknowledging, yeah, we
can't build around him either, but don't worry about the
draft picks. Yeah, I don't love giving up four first rounders,
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but Orlando is going to be a top five to
six team.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
They're gonna be Indiana, So those picks at the bottom
of the first round don't mean a ton and Bane's
a real player in Orlando. We watched them in the
playoffs this year, and then we set it on this
show during during the series, we're like, oh, you don't
want to play Orlando. If they get another guy or
if they mature, they have a chance to be Indiana
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next year, especially now with Desmond bang Jmack with.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
A news no, no.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
No, this is the Herd line news.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Remember that series.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
It was against Boston and we were surprised how this
young Orlando team was like pushing back in. The games
were competitive when Boston had been an unbelievable team all
regular season, and we you and I kept saying, like
Detroit gave the Knicks trouble. We're like, Okay, Cunningham's a
real deal and Orlando's out there against the Celtics, were like.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
How are these games close?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Now?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
They just added a guy that could be an All
Star or a borderline All Star.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
And Basically, this is the Michale Bridges trade that the
Knicks did right. Bridges had not been an All Star,
but he fetch five firsts and he's valuable. I think
this I'm with you. I think the bain is huge
in Orlando. Remember Suggs is a great defender. They got
two tough defensive guards. Man, I love that move. All right,
let's get started to calm Michael Parsons obviously still seeking
a new contract, but at.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
The same time, so are Trey hendricksoner TJ Watt.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
It's almost like a standoff because whoever goes first, then
the next guy just gonna get a little bit more,
and the next guy.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Will get a little bit more than that. So it's weird.
But Parsons says, the longer it goes that, the more
it's gonna cost Dallas.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
And if you look at the highest paid non quarterbacks
in the league, I mean, are you giving Michael.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Parsons more than Jamar Chase.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I'm not doing that now, Dallas.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I guess they're going to Jason. I think, what is happening.
I'm gonna I'm projecting this. I don't know if it's happening,
but it feels like it. We've always viewed edge rushers
as gold bars, and I do think Miles Garrett is
one of one. But I think the Steelers are looking
and saying, we're already paying the most for defense, and
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we gotta pay forty five million for TJ.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And I think Hendrickson for Cincinnati, though I would sign him,
I think they're looking at him, and then I think
Dallas is looking at Micah Parsons. And the truth is,
the guys that really dominate the defensive line are Jalen Carter,
Chris Jones, and Aaron Donald. They're interior defensive lineman and
those are much more rare body types. When you get
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a three hundred and forty three hundred and thirty pound
guy with good feet, Reggie White, Aaron Donald.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Chris Jones.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I don't know how much Chris Ways, but I think
Jalen Carter walks into the NFL and everybody's like, that's
what we need. And the draft gives you maybe one
of those every other year. So think about this, think
about scarcity. You're gonna ultimately pay Jason any Field for scarcity.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
If something's great.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Great quarterbacks, you average about one a draft unbelievable, dominating
Chris Jones, Jalen Carter defensive lineman, interior about one maybe
a draft edge rushers, although not wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
There's more of them.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
College football's given you four to five to six edge
rushers annually that can play very quickly, and so I.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Feel like I kind of feel like, I mean, Max.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Crosby got his and because they don't have an offense,
he's really valuable. But I think Cincinnati looks at Joe
Burrow in their offense and says, can we draft to Hendrickson?
And I do wonder with Michael Parsons if Dallas is saying,
I don't know if we're paying CD and Dak can
we pay I'm not saying they don't have value, but
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there isn't a scarcity for edge rusher as there is
for Jalen Carter.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Yeah, I know it sounds tough, but the boss to
Red Sox back in the day for Moneyball, We're like,
we can't afford this guy. Can we recreate him in
the aggregate with three guys who have a similar skill set?
So you're right, if you can get a defensive tackle
hard to find, right, three hundred and thirty pounds, moves
it jumps out of a swimming pool like incredible athletes.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
And we just get three edge rushers.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Can three edge rushers do what Michah Parsons is doing
if you rotate them? And remember the Niners a few
years ago had that strategy with Robert Solo. We're just
gonna have four edge rushers just coming at the quarterback
all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, I mean, just look at the NFC West shared
verse now edge rusher dominant, Bosa dominant. I mean just
in that division you have two guys. I mean you
start looking at the pass rushers. Arizona had Chandler Jones
for a while. You start looking at a lot of
these edge rushers. It feel like the Chargers had Bosa
and Khalil Mack. It's what team has two great interior
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defensive linemen. But there are teams with multiple pass rushers
from the edge because the body types not you know,
it's not as unique. So I I think, like I
said this about TJ. Watt, people think it's crazy. He's
thirty one. You want to pay him forty five million
a year. I think I can find seventy five percent
of him on the market or in the draft. You
can't find Jalen Carter in a draft. He's like once
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he's the best the interior lineman since Chris Jones.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Yeah, we're getting to the point maybe in all the
three big sports where it's like, hey, do we want
Kevin Durant at fifty mil? Or can we get like
three guys to total fifty mil? Like what the Pacers
and Thunder have to, you know, to basically recreate a
Kevin Durant. And you and I have been on this.
I would have moved off Michael Parsons. I would have
traded him. I know that sounds sacrilegious. But now you're
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gonna he wants forty million.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Dollars a year.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
Pelling I don't see how that gets Dallas any better
at all. Anyways, next story is this is a dubious one.
But Travis Kelsey, we know he had a brutal playoff run,
the worst season of his career. Well guess what this
offseason he has lost twenty five pounds.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
That's an estimate.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Last season Kelsey was listed at too fitty and he
had a brutal year. Now they're saying he's down to
two twenty five. I didn't see the word O Zempeck in.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Any of the stories, So maybe this is O Nachirel.
But with his travel schedule, you know, I mean you
look online.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
He's in a different city every night, living it up,
go to events, eating really nice dinners with Taylor says,
I don't see how this is possible, But you're a
bon vivant yourself. Maybe maybe you can tell me about
how you somehow lose twenty five pounds goot traveling, eating
dinner every night.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Well, I think what's happened is he's you know, he's
telling you last year he wore out at the end
of the season. He wants to be you know, Lamar
Jackson did this. Remember last year Lamar showed up and
we're like, did that dude lose weight? Lamar lost weight.
Lamar's like, I want to be faster. I think Travis
Kelcey looked at his film and said, I've lost speed
and that was my That was really his secret sauce.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
It wasn't.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
He was a good blocker, had good hands, but he
was never as big as Gronk. What he was was
a guy you couldn't defend him. He had speed, He
beat guys down the field and that relationship with Mahomes,
And I think he looked at himself and thought, I
have lost a step. How do I get it back?
You get it back by losing weight. Lamar Jackson did this.
We don't love that Lamar Jackson is lighter. But Lamar
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watched this film and said, listen, I know what I
am right Like, I'm not ready from the pocket. I'm okay,
But what I am is the fastest quarterback ever. I
lost a step or I don't feel like quite have
the burst.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'm gonna come in thinner. So I think that's what
it is.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Yeah, it feels like isn't that every human being.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
On planet Earth?
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Hey, I gained some weight. I'm slowing down. Let me
drop some weight. So yeah, I'm believe it when I
see it. Final story is this gentleman named Shedeur Sanders,
the fourth string quarterback in Cleveland. Yet here we are
doing a big story on him because, according to a report,
Shiteduer made an impression Colin which could give him momentum
heading in the next month.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
The report has the plans for the Browns.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Quarterback situation is they want all of them to practice
different throws in different situations and guess what, Colin, They've
answered the bell, including Shador, who what the ball in
some tight windows and through with some aggressiveness.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I'll let you just wax poetic.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Ur Sanders, Well, he was historically accurate in college, and
now he has had the greatest mini camp ota in
NFL history.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
So I said this last week.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
When a quarterback's college skill set translates and you can
see it very quickly, that impresses me because a lot
of times it doesn't. You think, oh, Tim Tebow super
athletic for college. Tim Tebow's a marginal tight end level
athlete in the NFL, right, Johnny Manziel, Oh my god,
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he's so athletic. Oh No, that was college, not the NFL.
But if you watch Lamar Jackson or Steve Young when
I was younger, and you're like, Steve Young ran around
for BYU, and then you watch the NFL and you're like, oh,
he makes guys miss in the NFL. Shadur was seventy
four percent in college, seventy seven seventy eight percent. He
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may not be a great NFL quarterback, but what he
does well is translate.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So that's something to lean off.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
I'm gonna get on our graphics staff to make sure
that they put like an asterisk by all his numbers,
and then below they need to say versus backups, right,
second string guys who are working out during the day
and deliberate door dash at night. That's who Shador is
torching in this mini camp. Let's just settle down. Dylan
Gabriel is facing the ones. Kenny Pickett, your guy is
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facing the ones. So I'm not gonna freak out, but
you are welcome.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
To all right.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So I have to set this so I want to
set this story out. So Jamak, as he eloquently put it,
had Indiana and the points and so for anybody that
did on Friday, it was a pretty gutting loss.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
But my premise on officials is that athletes are bigger
and faster than ever and the NBA, I mean, look
at Baseball's acknowledging. Now we're just gonna do robots at
home plate. There's greater consequences, there's more money. So ask yourself,
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what is the toughest call for an NFL official to make?
And I think most of us would would agree it's
pass interference. I mean there's always contact. It's like, what
level of grabbing and clutching and contact will you allow?
There's grabbing and clutching on every ball down the sideline.
It's just a matter of the discretion of the official.
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So I've always said at the highest level, like the NBA,
basketball is incredibly difficult to officiate.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
And consider this during the playoffs, when.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
The league historically has always swallowed the whistle, fans can't
quite wrap their arms around. I watch this then and
this now, and it doesn't feel right. And so if
you end up officiating in World Cups or Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Or the World Series or the NBA.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Finals, you are viewed by the league as somebody that
can handle it. So the reason Scott Foster is often
a target of criticism is because he officiates the biggest games. Yes,
Scott Foster honestly feels like one of those character actors.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I can't name him, but I've seen him all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Right, and so Foster makes a call in people freak out.
But I just want to give you a reminder. SGA
is six to six and a buck ninety five He's
not a powerful player, so on this move that's working
you up, he does.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Not have Lebron's strength.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
What happens is if you watch it, that he did
give him a nudge, but that the pacer player, Nay Smith,
tripped over his feet, making it look like a significantly
botched call. If you watch it again, Nay Smith falls
over his feet. I'm sorry, Nay Smith weighs fifteen pounds
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more than Sga. SGA's a string bean by Pro Athlete
Standard six six one ninety five. This looks worse because
he trips. Now it's a go either way call it is,
And I know you didn't like it, and most people
didn't if it was called fine, But I want to
remind you of this. What's one of the most iconic
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plays of all time in the NBA. I would say
Michael Jordan over a Brian Russell of the Utah Jazz.
Remember that this is arguably a top five most iconic
play ever. Oh, that's interesting. Would you rather not have
that count?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Oh? You love that play.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
So in that play, like the Sja Nasmith play, Russell
gets ahead of himself loses balance, so it looks like
Jordan with a left hand shoves a two hundred pound
athlete out of the way.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
He never did.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Russell bit on the Michael move, full steam ahead, leaning
Michael with a gentle touch to the left hand, and
it looks like he shoved him. Michael was strong. He's
not that strong, okay. And remember Kevin Durant and Lebron
had a similar situation years ago. Do you remember this
on the baseline? Oh, they didn't call that either. Isn't
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that interesting? So they didn't call this? Remember this, you
guys all freaked out. And I said at the time,
Durant's leaning making it look like he got Butcher. He didn't,
and SGA pushing Naysmith. It's not as bad as you think.
Brian Russell and Michael Jordan. These are all time plays.
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And what's the consistent part of all three plays? NBA finals,
NBA refs. Let him play, all her finals, all her
stars and the referees. As I've been saying for years,
let stars play. That's why they put Scott Foster in
these moments. Let them play. You look at that Jordan
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Brian Russell play, you'd think Michael grabbed a wheelbarrow, put
him in it and shoved him. Russell's headlong fly wasn't
a foul. Michael's using his hand. You're not gonna call that.
You're not the SGA thing. He's six six, one ninety five.
Of the amazing things that SGA has, being forceful and
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powerful is not one of them. So if you're told
totally honest, look at Nathanmith's feet. He trips, he falls
over his own feet because of the momentum.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Watch his feet. Oh it's a shove.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
SGA can't shove a guy that's fifteen pounds heavier. Watch
watch his feet. He trips over SGA's feet. It makes
it look awful. So again, if you didn't have the
pacers plus six, like I get, people are upset. But
this whole thing about Scott Foster, the leagues out.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
To get him. Scott Foster is.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
The official in the NFL that ends up in conference
championship in Super Bowls. He's good at what he does.
Here's Rick Carlile defending him.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Far as officiating, I think I think it's awful what
some of the things I've seen about about the officiating
and Scott Foster in particular. I know Scott Foster for
thirty years. He's a great official. He's done a great
job in his playoffs. We've had him a lot of times.
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And the ridiculous scrutiny that's being thrown out there is
terrible and unfair and unjust and stupid.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Lebron kd SGA, Michael Jordan, they swallow the whistle that
just like you just get that a lot. They're gonna
swallow the whistle, by the way, the story of this game,
and I watched every basket like you was in the
final three minutes. Oklahoma City and they're all NBA defensive
level guys played unbelievable, suffocating defense. And you know what
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OKAC played like their season was on the line. Oh
wait it was. We know that athletes played different in
different situations and that urgency, ebbs and flows. Oklahoma City's
defense was historically great, and for that three minutes, it
was incredible. I felt like I was watching Mahomes against
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the Eagles pass ru rush. Indy could not get a shot.
Indy's a great team. They could not generate offense motion,
There was blocks, there were steals. Yeah, you don't have
to love that call by Scott Foster if you're honest
and YouTube and go back to the last three minutes.
Look at the defensive intensity of Oklahoma City. It was
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all these guys who out the regular season. We kept saying,
is it's the best defensive team ever? And Oklahoma City
had solved that riddle for parts of the series, especially
this young team on the road. The final three minutes
were art. It was it was man and man coverage
with two Pro Bowl corners and a pass rush Indy
couldn't I think Indy had an airball at one point
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Colin Wright, Colin Wrong.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
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Speaker 7 (35:00):
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Speaker 1 (35:16):
So there was You know, for years and years I
talked about you have to send a message. You would
never as a sports fan, you would never go to
a restaurant if service in the food was bad two
or three straight times. Even if you love the restaurant,
if it got worse, you'd stop going. You'd never go
to a car dealership if they sold you too Lemons.
But in sports there's this sort of kind of weird
(35:39):
loyalty thing where you send messages all the time to
your ownership, which is it doesn't matter what the product is,
I'm gonna go to the games. And the Boston Red
Sox are number one in Baseball in profit margin.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I think they're number like four.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
In revenue, but they're the most profitable team, even more
profitable than the Dodgers. And so the message the Red
Sox fans send, even though they're not World Series viable,
I mean they don't. They're not close to the Dodgers.
They're not as good as the Yankees. I don't think
they're as well run as the Braves. But the message
is our play seats about thirty six five and you
know he put about thirty four thousand in regardless if
(36:18):
you trade and Moki bets or not, and so eighty
seven percent capacity for every home game since twenty twenty five.
That's that's near the top of Majrigue baseball, and so
yesterday they make a big deal Rafeael Devers, one of
the top ten to fifteen hitters in baseball, and he
gets traded. Now, first of all, he's a lot of maintenance.
He threatened, reportedly threatened to ask for trade in spring training.
(36:41):
He doesn't want to play first base. They needed him
to play first base, so he and the manager did
not get along. Alex Cora, he was not long for
the room. He's got a huge contract, and so eventually
they made a trade yesterday, And like the Nico Harrison
MAVs Lakers trade, the feeling in Boston is we didn't
get enough. I'm not a Baseball America guy, so I
don't know if you got enough. Most people say you
didn't get.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
An enough, and that's fine. There's a lot of our
baseball reporters you could follow on that.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
But the bottom line is the owner, John Henry, has
added to his portfolio since he bought the Red Sox Liverpool,
and Liverpool is not profitable right now and they need
to add a star. There's a German star out there
they want to sign for one hundred and fifty million dollars.
So the messaging, you know it could be a line
(37:25):
item for John Henry. He's looking at it, thinking, I
still almost sell out Boston. There's in the summer, Celtic
season's over, Patriots camp hasn't started. It's Boston. Fenway's legendary,
and people mostly pack it. And we got a bunch
of farm hands and some are pretty good, some are okay,
and we're just going to keep doing this. So what's
the message. Fenwale be mostly full. Liverpool, which isn't profitable.
(37:48):
But by the way, Liverpool's probably worth if it was
on the market, six to seven billion dollars, and the
Red Sox probably on the market because baseball isn't growing
like the English Premier League, probably be worth four billion.
So he has Liverpool, which, by the way, to show
you how Liverpool is growing, Lebron James in twenty eleven
bought a two percent stake of Liverpool for six and
(38:10):
a half million bucks. That's now worth one hundred million dollars.
So the bottom line is those Premier League teams are
exploding in value. So John Henry looks at that and
goes in my portfolio, I's see, I've got RFK Racing,
and I've got Liverpool and I've got the Red Sox.
The one that's exploding is Liverpool and they're not nearly
as profitable yet, then the Red Sox are profitable, win
(38:32):
or lose. So the message Red Sox fans are sending
us it doesn't matter. I mean, they got fleeced in
the Mookie betsteal, you still went to the games. If
you want to make a difference as a sports fan,
then don't go to the restaurant after four bad meals.
Don't buy a car from a car lot that gave
you back to back lemons. That's not on the Red
Sox that you're sending a message that it doesn't matter. Well,
(38:54):
what are you gonna do tonight? Let's go to the
Let's go to Fenway Park, don't go to the beach,
go to whatever you do in Austin, have a bullet,
shouta whatever you do, do it.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
But I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
John Henry keeps building up this portfolio and he's like, Okay,
Liverpool is going to be worth seven billion if I
ever wanted to sell it, which they probably won't. The
Red Sox are worth a little more than half, and
the Red Sox are already number one in profit and
all you do is complain about the Red Sox, but
they're number one in profit, more than the Dodgers. So
you know he's looking at it going all right, I mean,
(39:28):
we won't be as good with this guy.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
But he didn't.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
My manager didn't like him. My GM was sitting there
on a like Devers. He drives me nuts. He has
a top fifteen hitters. So the Giant's got a great player,
but gave out some good farmhands. So I think there's
messages you can send. And I know, well, if I
give up my Red Sox tickets, I'll never get him back. Nonsense,
that's nonsense. I can get great tickets. You can get
great tickets on any seat app you want tomorrow. And
(39:53):
who goes to every game at home? It's eighty one
home game. Nobody's going to all the games anyway, So
and yell and you can scream, but the messaging by
fans is it doesn't matter. Eighty seven ninety percent full anyway,
it doesn't matter. And this guy threatened, He was threatening
that he wanted to be traded in spring trading with
(40:15):
a huge contract. So it wasn't long for the organization.
Like the Luca deal, I get the move. You probably
should should have gotten more. If you're the Dallas Mavericks,
you know the baseball people are saying you should have
gotten more. It's all about messaging. What message are you
sending the owner? You keep filling the stadium. All these owners, now,
these domestic owners, they're owning stuff overseas, they're owning I mean,
(40:39):
you got players in America like Lebron owning some of
these Premier League teams. What's the message you send? You
do have power collectively, you have to use it, which
I know isn't a popular answer, but you know, I've
been the Fenway a few times. It's packed, regardless of
the team. J Mack Colin, right, Colin wra on top
(41:01):
of the hour. So I defended Scott Foster. Yeah, I
thought owner and the owner of the Red Sox two
very popular opinions.
Speaker 7 (41:07):
Well, I'm out on the I don't know the Red
Sox stuff. I haven't read as much on that trade.
But the Scott Foster.
Speaker 6 (41:13):
Thing, you kept saying, look at Michemi's feet, look at
his feet, look at the arm.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
The pushoff by the rule book, extending the arm is
an offensive foul.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
It should have been called it's undeniable, but I gotta listen.
I gotta give Mark Dagnall credit. He made a great
adjustment late.
Speaker 7 (41:29):
Did you notice he had a two man game between
j Dubb and Sga and that got Nemhard off Sga.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
SGA goes for like fifteen.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
Points in the fourth court. It was a smart move.
Pacers didn't have a counter in time. I think series
is over. I don't think Pasers can come back.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Well, we keep saying that.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And by the way, if that would have been called,
I wouldn't have been bothered by it. What I'm saying
is the fact that it wasn't called. Go back to
MJ and Russell, go back to Lebron and Durant. We
have a history in the finals of whistle swallowing often
with stars thirty eight don't want Yeah, well a lot
of us, but it's it's at least it's consistent.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Let them buy you two clips. We brought you the clips.
Speaker 6 (42:09):
Let him play cowhard.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Come on, all right, Colin right, Colin wrong now
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