May 6, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin discusses the Roast of Tom Brady and why this would never happen with today's NBA superstars
Former Patriots QB Drew Bledsoe joins the show to talk about the Roast of Tom Brady and what it was like to attend in person
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of your day one hour from now. Where Colin was right,
where Colin is wrong, there is plenty of boat. So
I think it's amazing. First of all, Jmac, I'm always
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amazed by technology. I tell the story one time I'm
in Manhattan Beach walking in the water and my daughter
is in Capetown, South Africa, sitting in a small room
and we face timing shows, and I'm like, how's this possible?
Where's this satellite? How is this happening? I'm amazed by technology.
Last night, anywhere in the world, you could have gone
onto Netflix's app and watched the Tom Brady Roast and
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it was like, we live in an amazing place.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It used to be roasts were like if you did
Dean Martin, Johnny Carson, you know you'd see clips of
it ten years later. The average guy on the street,
average person couldn't watch stuff. So I thought it was
remarkable that you had this massive roast with all these
stars and the world could watch it live. That was
pretty cool. Did you see any of it last night? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I was watching with the kids at dinner and Nicki
Glazer makes a couple I hilarious inappropriate comments. I said,
all right, we got to shut it down and I
will watch the rest after work today.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, Nicky Glaser's pretty funny. So it's one of the
reasons I love football. There's a lot of reasons I
love football, but one of the reasons I love it
is it's a camaraderie. It's a family, it's a community.
And I'm watching this last night and I'm thinking to myself,
Belichick and Brady and Edelman and everybody's busting on everybody.
You couldn't do that in the NBA. There's just too
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many egos. Rudy Gobert had a great line this weekend.
He talked about the Timberwolves, and he said, I've been
in this league a long time. I've never been part
of a group that cares about each other and wants
to see other people shine. It's hard to get that
in the NBA. It's not in the NFL. You see
it every Sunday. It's not about getting mine, it's about
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getting ours. And that's why you can host that roast
last night. The greatest coach of all time and the
greatest football player of all time, and people took shots
at them for three and a half hours. And maybe
it's due to the regulated level of violence that you
need protection, you need an ally. But when you see
a football player get hurt, hopefully not seriously, sometimes seriously,
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but when they get hurt, you see players go to
a knee, some start crying, they start praying. That's authentic.
That's how football works. It's bonding, it's sacrifice, its family.
I thought it was a great night for Belichick. I'll
get into that after the break, but I thought last
night is why I love football, is that the best coach,
the best quarterback. And some of it was cringy, some
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of it you don't want around your kids. But I
did think There's been a lot of tension around Belichick
and Brady, and there's just tension all around the room,
and you throw craft in there. I thought some of
it was broken last night. A little bit lightened up
last night. And I get it, the Shaq and Kobe dynasties,
like I get it. It's intense, the heatels breaks up,
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feelings are hurt. But I thought last night mattered. I
think this is why football is great, that people can
laugh at themselves. It's not about getting yours, it's about
getting ours. And here was a highlight of Jeffrey Ross,
the great roast master and comedian, taking a shot at
Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Tom, I really wanted you to be our first goat
to be roasted, because you're an example to future generations
that if you work hard, eat right, film the other
team's practices to flate the balls, and how the NFL
make new rules just for you, then you too can
be the third most famous guy in a Dunkin Donuts commercial.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That is perfect last night. We'll have more of it
throughout the day. But I'm serious about this. I think
there's a lot of reasons I like football. It's the
best sport on television. You can bet it. My wife
would watch a football game. It's once a week. There's
a scarcity advantage all of it. But I think another
big part of this is it's a collection. I sat
on a plane yesterday flying back from Salt Lake City,
and I sat next to a gentleman, very successful gentleman,
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who is now an unpaid football coach. He does that
part time for his kids, for the community, He cares,
he loves it. He didn't have to do it, and
I really respect that. It's about ours, not mine, all right.
Speaking of the NBA, Anthony Edwards is he was in
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a really bad draft and he was the only really
great player I think out of out of a bad draft.
And he's been in Minnesota, and Kevin Garnett was in
Minnesota for a long time and then eventually had to
leave to get a championship with the Boston Celtics. And
Minnesota has always been a franchise that has some really
interesting players, but you know, they got to get out
of there to win. And I think it's always an
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advantage if you can stay a Kobe Bryant, a Derek Jeter,
where you can just stay in your place and win forever.
I'm not anti mobility. I'm all form mobility. You know,
in baseball there's just a handful of franchises that can
spend big money. You know, Yankees, Dodgers, Braves, Astros, a
lot of these franchises. You got to go there to
win championships if you really care about championships. As good
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as the Minnetoa Minnesota Twins maybe run, or as great
as the city is. You know, you pay Joe Mauer
twenty years ago and you can't pay anybody else. And
in the NBA there are some glamour franchises. The face
of the league has overwhelmingly been like Philadelphia, Boston, LA,
maybe in Miami. It doesn't end up in Cleveland much.
Lebron James, who was a star when he was sixteen,
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changed that. So can Anthony Edwards be the face of
the NBA, a league that's increasingly international and is dying
for a face of the NBA because Katie, Lebron and
Steph are out of the playoffs and that's not good.
And I said it a couple of weeks ago. Are
we at an inflection point here? Does he want to
be MJ or does he want to be Nik and
to be MJ, you got to embrace face of the league,
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and you got to win several titles. One will not do.
Barkley was great, never the face of the league. And
the West is deep and it's loaded, it's young, and
the teams are all getting better now. It took MJ
years to break through the Pistons and the Celtics. And
I'm watching Minnesota beat Denver and Denver, and I'm thinking,
at twenty two years old, is this kid breaking through?
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He's got several things that remind me of Michael Jordan.
He's got that relentless energy, like Jordan could play thirty
six holes of golf and then beat the Celtics later
that night. This kid's got energy that's hard to duplicate.
And the second thing is he has an a tac personality.
Jason Tatum's a nice kid. Aunt wants to dunk on
you and talk trash to you and guard the best guy.
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And that's very very MJ. And it's very attractive. We
like our athletes to be aggressive. So you know, there's
not that many when you go back to the seventies,
there's not that many NBA icons. There's been a lot
of great players, but the icons generally look different and
play different. I mean Shack's power, a Magic's size at
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point guard, Larry Bird's passing and shooting. He was a
forward when I watched basketball in the seventies, forwards couldn't shoot.
Larry Bird walked into the league and was the best
shooter and the best passer, and he was a forward.
Michael Jordan's relentlessness and style and aesthetics, and Edwards has
a lot of that. He will dunk sometime during the
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game and you'll go wow, and then he'll often say
something relatable and funny after the game. And it's not
that I doubt him. I said this a week ago.
I think we're at an inflection point. The league is
looking for a face of the league. A lot of
the international guys don't want to necessarily be there. It
helps to play college basketball a little we kind of
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we meet you there. I thought it could have been
Zion years ago. No, John Morant maybe no. It looks
like at twenty two years old, Aunt Edwards could be
the guy. He doesn't have to win this series. He
does not have to win now he's so young. But
I did watch the game this weekend and I thought, oh,
he's easily the best player on the floor. Jo Kis
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didn't play well. Jo Kis did not play well. I'm
sure he'll rebound, though Minnesota is so big they'll make
it tough for him. But here was Aunt after Game one,
not worried about the doubters.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
We're just coming out to play. It's not about introducing
us to nobody.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
We know who we are.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
We don't care what people say or what people think
about us. We're a collective group. We trust each other.
It's all love between us and we're well coached. So
you know, we're coming out and as long as we
got each other, it don't really matter what ain't anybody
else think.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
We'll see a lot of fun. He was absolutely the
best player on the floor in that game, twenty five
in the first half. Took a little break in the
third quarter. That's okay, he's human. He can't play at
that level the entire game. But when it was over,
I thought to myself, Okay, I still like Denver, but man,
they're not gonna have an answer athletically. They don't really
have an answer for ant. They've got a little bit
Minnesota got a little bit of an answer for Yokis
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because of their size, Denver didn't really have an answer
for your ant. And that was always the thing with
Jordan is that you know, you could have answers for
a lot of the things the Bulls did. But if
Michael went relentless where the steam's coming off his head
like twice a game, nobody in the league had an
answer for it. Other teams had great offensive players, there's
a Barkley here, there's a Gary Payton there, but nobody
really had an answer for Mike and his prime. And
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that's generally when you're a nikon like Jason Tatum, you
feel like he's gonna get his but can I make
it difficult? When you watched Ant in that first half,
Denver didn't even make it difficult, and they were trying,
and it wasn't close, and it was in Denver and
it was high alt, It's like, Okay, that looks like
somebody I remember two initials, MJ. So there you go,
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J Mac the roast. There's a lot of it we
can't play due to the fact that we're an over
the air cable network, but some of it was really funny.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, Kevin Hart, Nikki Glazer, Jeff Ross. Those are like
the three best roasters probably in America. They came out
strong with their best stuff. The little I saw was outstanding.
I don't know how you're gonna play stuff on.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
The show Todaypril Drew Bletsoe, Peyton Manning Drew Bletsoe was funny.
Peyton Manning was funny. So some people weren't as great.
But I will tell you the fact that I thought
Belichick was the biggest winner last night, and I want
to talk about that. I know I want to talk
about that coming up.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
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Speaker 1 (10:57):
Thought the big winner last night on the Brady Roast
was Bill Belichick. He could laugh at himself. So if
you watch that ten part Patriot Apple TV documentary, whether
or not a lot of people thought it was anti Bill, whatever,
one thing that was indisputable. He changed, like maybe a
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marriage or being president changes a person their hair color
and their personality. Belichick got more combative, more rigid, less collaborative.
You know, Bill, And this is pretty public. At some
point toward the end after he had, you know, a
trophy room and stacks of cash. He only wanted to
coach certain players. Well, that's not the sport. So when
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Brady went to Tampa, he got sillier, happier, more relatable.
It was more fun. It was the more fun Tom
right throw, almost throwing a trophy into the bay. Tom
Belichick got like grumpier, and the league noticed. Forget my opinion,
The league noticed, that's why old an he Reid is
doing commercials and could get hired tomorrow by twenty five teams,
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and old Bill Belichick got one interview twice by the
losing Atlanta Falcons. Forget my opinion. That was the league's opinion.
Bill needed to lighten up and be more collaborative. So
this is one of my rules of life. Rigid and
combative does not age well. It works while you're on top,
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but people will turn on you fast, and they did.
The league turned on Bill. And I think Bill spent
an entire career as a coach spotting weakness and attacking it.
And Bill Belichick deserves credit. He spotted his and he's
attacking it. He's gonna be on Manning cast, He's going
on TV and being funny he's going to a roast
and being made fun of. I thought Belichick was a
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huge winner last night. I thought he was a huge winner.
It's like, oh, this is the bill that Gronk told
me about here at Fox. This is the bill Julian
Edelman has told me about off air and on air
funny smart can laugh at himself. And if you go
watch that Apple documentary, there's no question you're watching it
and you're like, he's glib, he's firing back, and some
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of it. I get it. The media has too many
do gooders. They can wear you out. They ask questions
when you already have the answers. The media is not
terribly likable. I'm part of the media. I'm almost not
always likable. I get it. And you don't have to
like us. We're like the irs were paid to audit.
You like us when we give you a check back.
You don't like when you're being audited. And that's what
The media was not built to be everybody's friend. It
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was built to audit. And so Bill got tired of it.
And the Boston media can be snarky and angry and relentless,
and I get it. But I think the league told Bill,
you got to change bro like that. Nobody wants. This
is a collaborative league. Now it's a Sean McVay lea,
it's a Shanahan leak, it's a Kevin O'Connell league. People
want to work together. It's no more authoritarian. I run
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the show. Do your job, And I thought Bill last
night did himself a huge favor. Now he may just
stand broadcasting The Rose, the Manning Catt, all that stuff's
going to be good for Bill. But I just think
he's too smart. And this is not a shot of
anybody that's ever done TV. I told Sean Payton this
when he was crushing it on our show last year.
Every Monday, I'm like, you're too smart to be doing this.
You've got too many ideas for football to do this.
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Bill Parcells did TV and then went back Bill Belichick
in the right environment, he's just too damn smart to
be talking about football. He needs to be coaching it.
And I think but a year away from football, dealing
with some of the nonsense that we do, I think
he'll lighten him up and actually help him. I felt
that last night, And here was Kevin Hart during the roast.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
You know Bill is so part, so far apart from
each other. I just feel like, why do y'all take
a shot together?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Man?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Robert wants to do it. Bill, Poor
Bill a shot, Bill, Bill. This is a big moment.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Bill.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
I want to say, this is the greatest coach in
the history.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Of the game that didn't what no one else has done.
And having Tom Brady and him was the greatest honor
the Good Lord gave me.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So listen. I don't think Belichick is fond of Bob
Kraft anymore. I think that's pretty obvious in that video.
But again, you're not gonna be fond of everybody work for,
or work with, or work under. That's sports, that's life.
J mcklenews, No, no turns.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
This is the herdline news.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Belichick's face. What he was, you know, pretending to take
the shot?
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Look like, what am I doing here? Why do I
have to be? He?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I do?
Speaker 7 (15:47):
He did not look through.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
That was the one person there. He feels like that
documentary was I mean, there was many jokes about that.
He thought that was a roast. He thought it was
they were going after him for the entire documentary. And
you can say whatever you want might take away. It
was Bill, you didn't ingratiate yourself that last seven eight years.
I mean Kraft basically, if you think about it, Craft
stayed away from the whole thing until Garoppolo. Look how
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many bad owners we have, but how many medaling owners
we have one of the only non medaling owners in
the League of Steve Bashati with the Ravens. Almost all
these guys have egos, they medal. Craft mostly stayed out
of it. He let Brady and Belichick get all the
love forever. There's value in that. And in the end
he kind of felt like Bill treated him like crap,
and he was gonna say, Okay, guy that owns the
company gets the right the final chapter. That's how corporations work.
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And I don't think he likes Kraft, and I think
Kraft is trying to make amends. And they both probably
had a few pops in them. But in the end,
you're not gonna like everybody after you have a twenty
five year I mean, you used to be. There was
a time when Jerry West, Phil Jackson and pat Riley
were all friends. They're not anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It happens, all right, Let's start with the NBA the
MAVs knocked the Clippers out in Game six on Friday,
blowout City in the second half, Kyrie irving, my goodness,
twenty eight of his thirty in the second half. Yeah,
matching his highest output of any playoff happ in his career.
Kyrie now thirteen and oh when his teams can clinch
a series best record in close out games in NBA history.
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We briefly talked about that Friday on headlines Colin Luka
DONC is still dealing with some knee issues, but he's
at he had twenty eight, thirteen and seven. MAVs OKC
begins tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
Do you have any lean on this series?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
How you feel about the MAVs matchups for Phenomenal in
this series?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, that you know how they say styles make fights,
Like you have to watch the first couple of rounds
of a fight to see how the styles work. That's
what I feel like in this series. Can I watch
a game to get a sense of it? Like, I
don't really know. I have a team that sort of
lobsided in Dallas, although they played great defense against Clippers
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like phenomenal, Clippers average one hundred a game. If Dallas
plays that level of defense. They probably win. They've got
veteran stars against young stars. But I want to see
the first game matchups.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
That's what That's the vibe from a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I'll say this, Maxi kleeber injury ac joint out three weeks.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
I know people are.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Gonna be like, oh, MAXI clear, he is a really
pivotal chess piece who can play big or small, play
the five. They put him on chet Holgrin. I don't
know how they stop chet holgrim The only thing is
like he's a what is he? Twenty one year old guy? Like,
you don't have to worry about that. I'll go MAVs
in six. I just I you know, I'm bullish on
this match.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Are ever coming back?
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Is the guy that got hurt coming flavor?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Maybe for the conference finals we'll see, but probably NBA
finals they need him.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
But I just who guards Kyrie Irving? Colin?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
He has been unbelievable in these playoffs, like under control, calm,
not ball hog guy.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
This Kyrie Irving is the best Kyrie Irving, as good
as we've seen since he.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Played with Lebron Right.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Yeah, he's not a one, he's a perfect two.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well, the one is also about personality and reliability. One's
not just production. Well, Kyrie is a great two Luca,
I think I get the same production every night, the
same minutes, the same guy. Pretty much cranky with the officials.
But I with Kyrie being a number one NBA fanboy
thinks it's all about your jumper. No, it's not. I mean,
Kawhi Leonard's gout number one talent, he's not reliable, he's
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not available.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Next up the Cleveland Cavaliers in Game seven at home Sunday.
We're down by eighteen in the first half, and Donovan
Mitchell let an incredible comeback. He had thirty nine points
coming off his fifty burger in Game six. Here's Donovan
Mitchell after his heroic comeback leading the Cavs to victory.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
Well, I'm tired of losing the first round. That's that's
first and foremost, and that's just you know, that's you
work too hard. You know, we worked too hard as
a group. So that was kind of my mindset for me,
just be just being attack minded, you know, I mean
going out obviously, you know, battling through what I'm battling through.
But I could battle through it and figure it out
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or I could rehab it for the next three or
four months. That's kind of where I'm at mentally. We
accomplished one goal. Now we could do it again.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
As the mindset, Yeah, I am Mitchell. You think he's
going to be in Cleveland one year from now?
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Well he did.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Gonna approach him with the extension, Hey, Donovan, do you
want to sign this four year, two hundred million dollar deal?
And He'll say sure or no, thanks, I'm good.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
I want to go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I want to play it. I do not buy for
a second. The New York Nick rumors, I don't think
he fits that at all. Not a good fit. Yeah,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
But La Lakers they had to be impressed. Eighty nine
points in the final two games of the series.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
He's the scorer. You there will be no questions. Uh
if he goes to the Lakers. Now, how do you
get him to the Lakers? As difficult?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, Lebron could take a pay cut.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Oh really, you get Lebron's gonna take a pay cut?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
No, No, he's not. Oh, but if you wanted him,
you could get him. There's a lot of things. You
Brady took pay couch his entire career, what do you
want to totally different?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Totally his wife was a supermodel worth five hundred million dollars, Like,
that's a little different.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, but Tom didn't have a shoe deal. NFL guys
don't have shoe deals. So you can say Tom's wife
was a supermodel. Lebron had a shoe deal that he's
made four hundred million on.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So if your Genie Bus and you say Lebron take
a pay cut, you can get down.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Now you'd halt the athlete would have the self awareness
to go, I want another great player that will make
my life easier and I won't have to be a
seventh seed facing Denver.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
You know what I'd say to Genie Bus, Genie, that's
that's one option.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Or you could just go into the luxury tax. Why
don't you pay the luxury tax and bring on Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I mean Lebron was the first. You're a billionaire, I'm not, No,
he is. Lebron's the first active athlete.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
He's oh he's a billionaire.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Official. Yeah, take a little pay cut on the salary.
I mean California gobbles half of it. Anyway you want
to do, you want to end your career getting knocked
out in the first round, or do you want a
better player again? The NBA is all about let me
get mine. NFL is about we get ours. So what
do you want to be? Lebron's not getting out of
the seven eight first round if he's gonna just I'm
not the most money. Okay, good luck, cham knock it out.
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Sleep on that better cash, have a big mansion. Do
you want to win? You're not feat Oklahoma City's getting better,
Dallas not getting worse, Minnesota's not getting worse, Denver's not
getting worse. I just I don't okay, I mean again,
I don't care. But once you hit that billionaire. NBA
guys you can always point to a lot of things.
NFL guys don't have shoe deals, so NBA guys have
a second revenue stream that baseball guys don't get, NFL
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guys don't get, hockey guys don't get. So I don't
want to hear about money. You have a you have
a second. By the way, that revenue stream is even
taxed differently. And some guys make more in the shoes
than they make in their basketball I mean, Michael Jordan's
made a thousand times more so again, if you don't
want to consider that.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Well I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I mean it's tough to say, hey, take a pay
cut when you look around the league and there's ten
guys making more than you and you're still in your
twenty of the best guys.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Michael Jordan was never the highest paid guy until he
demanded it late in his career. Late, but when he
was dominating the league his career.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
He's still dominates an all NBA guy.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Lebron's been like highest paid guy for a long time. Like, again,
what do you want? What manners do?
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Want to spend whatever it takes to win a championship?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's what I want. Well, there's salary caps and this
is not a rich ownership group. Steve Ballmer will pay
the luck tax, Joe Lake.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Lebron needs to go to another team that will pay
the going to the luxe of Lakers.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Or they're not gonna pay that tax. This Genie Buss
is arguably the poorest owner.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
In the league. Now you know who fan the taxes
here Minnesota. Guess where they're.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Going maybe the finals? You want you want to you
want to be the best, you gotta pay these guys right.
I just I don't like the idea of pay cuts,
especially for Lebron. But anyways, final story is.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Aaron Rodgers turning over a new leaf column. Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So Robert Sala said Rogers is not gonna have any
restrictions when they reached the phase three of the OTAs
and Rogers trick to the podium and has apparently invited
the third round rookie Malachi Corley to live in his
guest house.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Nice.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Yeah, I always talked to him on Draft night. You know,
I've texted him last couple of nights. I'm just like
a little kid, like you know, he's the he's the MVP,
Hall of Famer, all those type of things. So I'm
just like a little kid talking to him all the time,
texting him, trying to see what he's done, to stay
consistent in the league of the things that he's done.
Let me said, I can stay in his guest house
if I want to, So.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Me and him we are close.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's gonna be my.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Dog along here, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Hm.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Of course, very nice of him, very thoughtful of He's
got a hell of a real that black s medium
shirt he was wearing making.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
The guts look huge.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
My take on this is this is like a page
out of Tom Brady's book when Tom Brady left New
England to.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Go to Tampa. I'm gonna do whatever it takes. I'm
gonna invite Antonio Brown to live with me.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Let's come off with it.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
I know.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
But that's what Rogers are doing. He's just copying Tom Brady.
He just wants to be Brady.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I wouldn't go I think I I think this is good.
I think Aaron's toward the end of the road.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
He's hated rookies his entire career in Green Bay, right.
Remember he doesn't like play with young guys. Didn't like
Christian Watson and whoever the other guy.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Well let's be fair though, Uh you know, you get
into this old Manning, old Brady, old Aaron. They don't
have a lot of patience. They don't feel like it's
their job to teach you how to run a route.
Like I mean again, you want to play with these guys,
you need them. But I underst stand a quarterback. I
do understand older quarterbacks who have a year left not
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wanting to spend a year and a half teaching you
the route tree. So I think, and it's not that
they won't play with them, but I think if you
ask Brady or an Aaron Rodgers, they love I mean,
he loves Garrett Wilson, but there's a reason he wanted
Alan Lazard or Randall Cobb guys. That understand Again, coach's
job is to teach. A quarterbacks job is to win,
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and so I will defend the older quarterbacks who don't
want a roster full of That's why I said they
should go get a tackle, a roster full of young receivers.
And maybe your last year is a pro Like I
get it, Like Aaron wants to win right now. And
by the way, Brady took pay cuts, a lot of
these quarterbacks could make more money. They want to win now.
That's why you'll see these quarterbacks banging on the table
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for a veteran wide receiver and not necessarily always banging
the table for a great young receiver.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Or could it be that Aaron Rodgers banged the table
last year for Alan Lazard and Randall Cobb. We saw
how those worked out, and the jet said, you don't
have to. You don't get to pull all the strings
this year, Aaron, Sorry, you don't get to call all
the shots we're bringing on this third round guy.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
You need to gel with him.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I think the Jets are hopefully pushing back against some
Aaron Rodgers stuff.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Remember last year he got everything he wanted. They rolled
over it, gave him everything.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, that's how you got it. You could get if
you could get everything from a company, and you could,
and it may only happen once in your career, would
you not ask for it? I mean, you're never going
to get it in your life. Aaron didn't get what
he wanted every time.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
I earned that. If they're coming to me and giving
me everything, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Right, and that's what Aaron.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Aaron earned it.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I was an MVP multiple times. I got a Super Bowl.
You're the New York Jets. I'm gonna come here, but
you have to give me what I want.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
Off a crapy year that he had.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Brady, get me a right tackle, get me Gronk, get
me ab and get Arian's upstairs.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Brady showed up with how many Super Bowl rings?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well a ring counts too, not just nine a decade ago.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
I mean, was I even living in LA at the time.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I thought you were a Jets fan.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
I am, but Uh, it's just salty about Rogers.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news and
thanks for stubbing by the herd line. I'm looking at
the next round of these playoffs series Thunder Mavericks, OKC Mavericks, Minnesota, Denver, Boston, Cleveland, Indiana, Knicks.
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The NBA really needs the Knicks and Jalen Brunson uh
to carry the NBA rating. So Celtics and Knicks, those
are the only kind of national brands that really hit
this playoffs. Feels like the Yankees are in it in
the Braves and then it's the Baltimore Orioles six times.
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Like you need the Knicks to win this series. So
that there was once a Spurs Nets Final in the NBA,
and I mean nobody watched. And there's no question in
my mind, like if Caitlin Clark, if the WNBA season
was going on right now, Caitlin Clark would get better
ratings in the WNBA than a couple of these series
would get. And I'm dead serious. So Jalen Brunson is
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really important, not just the New York market. But there's
a lot about this team to like, is that they're underdogs.
They play hard. It's an effort team, they're an underdog.
It's the New York market, they're celebrities in the crowd.
It feels really big on TV. But that would make it,
you know, if you put the Knicks and the Celtics
in the Eastern Conference finals. That feels to me very palatable.
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By the way. Drew Bledsoe, who was at the roast
last night and very funny's coming up next. Eric Mangini
watched the whole thing. He was there for the early
days of it, got several rings. He'll be joining us today.
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong at the
top of Next Hour on a Monday as well.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
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Speaker 11 (28:48):
Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball.
We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's
more about the stories about what made these people love
their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way.
We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell
you stories. You download it, you listen to it.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
I think you'll like it.
Speaker 11 (29:08):
Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio,
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Speaker 1 (29:16):
Early in his career, the first like fifteen sixteen years,
you know, having Lebron guaranteed you a trip to the finals.
You got forty four minutes. He was the best player
on the game. In every game he played, he would
take a series over even if they were out manned.
Now he's still a playmaker, the Lakers' best playmaker, and
he still gives you bursts of amazing. Nobody would dispute that.
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But he doesn't guarantee anything. So if somebody guarantees something,
it's a different relationship. I'm willing to do almost everything.
But if you don't guarantee me anything, and Lebron doesn't,
they were a seventh seed. So this constant need by
Lebron to have like the perfect coach and the perfect roster.
Bro got to take a pay cut if you want
a better roster because this the rosters you've been in
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the last several years are not perfect and are not close.
And remember when Lebron first came to the Lakers, there
was a lot of old heads in the West. Denver's young, Okase,
He's young. Minnesota is a mix of old and young,
Sacramento's young, you know, the two LA teams kind of
old Clippers injured and old Lakers healthier and old. But
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you know, I think, and I also think when JJ
Reddick's your friend and that's one of the better candidates,
I think anytime a friend is a top candidate for
any business, you know, can that friend hold you accountable?
But I do think there was a time with Lebron
he gets guaranteed me things, so Dan Gilbert could complain
or pat Riley didn't like it, but he guaranteed a
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trip to the finals and he can win him about
half the time. That's a different relationship. That's that's totally different.
But you don't get the guarantees anymore. So Lebron's done
a very good job to kind of carefully craft his image,
you know, but I don't think anybody buys it anymore.
We all know that Darvin Ham got a vote of
confidence in a week later he was fired. That doesn't happen.
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I mean, your wife doesn't say I love you more
than anything in the world. Six days later she files
for divorce. Somebody fooled around, like something happened. That doesn't
You don't go for that pendulum swing. So this was
a Lebron or a Clutch sports. They can deny it
all they want, but nobody's buying any of it. And
I think nobody's buying what Lebron is selling, which is,
hey man, it's not my job. I just play.
Speaker 12 (31:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
You do more than that. And I don't think Darvin
Ham was the best coach in the league. I don't
think he's Pop or Spolstra or Steve Kerr. But I
don't think at this point who would want that job again.
The Lakers are now going to hire their eight coach
in fourteen years. That is a that's us. I mean
you're getting into New York Jets territory. Who wants the job?
(31:49):
Who wants the job? So Rick Buker last week on
you know how hard it is at this stage to
appease Lebron. We're catering to you.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
If it doesn't if it doesn't work, I'm not gonna
blame other people. We we did what you asked us
to do. We got you who you wanted to get,
and there's nothing wrong with failing. It's just abdicating the
responsibility of that. Darvin Ham, by no means was perfect
in the job that he did. But you're not going
to find somebody who's going to fix this this roster,
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this group with a thirty nine year old Lebron James
as your closer still and win, win a championship.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
All right, let's go now listen, and Drew Bletsoe does
not have to come on our show today. People were
having a good time last night and Drew Blepsoe was
one of the funnier guys out there willing to take
a shot at Tom. Now look at it, so you
look like you're about ready you need to be hydh
rended and you're about ready to play golf? Am I
right with both of those?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You are?
Speaker 12 (32:53):
And what I really need right now, Colin, I need
an IV is what I mean. We went to the
we went to the UH to the after party at
the comedy store, and stayed there way, way too late,
and now we're getting ready to go to it up.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Let me ask you this, though you probably had expectations
going in, I thought, oh, there's a lot of tension here.
This is going to be a little How did it
deliver based on your expectations flying down from the northwest,
getting too la and what you were expecting.
Speaker 12 (33:22):
You know, I mean I knew it was going to
be rough on Tom, and I knew they were going
to come back at me too. But you know, I mean,
a roast is a roast, right, You got to go
all in otherwise it doesn't Otherwise it doesn't work. But man,
it was so damn funny calling and just sitting there.
I was glad that I was up early. There was
a lot of pressure to go early. You know, people
(33:44):
have been drinking very much, so I actually had to
be funny.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
They couldn't just be wasted.
Speaker 12 (33:47):
And but I was really glad I went early, so
then I got to just sit back and laugh the
rest of the time.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Man, it was funny as hell.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So when it was over, I mean literally there was.
There was a moment with Bellet checking craft at the
podium with Kevin. Bill looked like the last place on
earth he wanted to be. I get it. He hated
the documentary. I get it. But I will tell you this, Drew.
I thought Belichick was a winner last night. He laughed,
He laughed at himself. And I think Bill the last
several years, you know, came across as a little combative
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and rigid I thought Bill handle that. I thought I
thought Bill was one of the winners last night.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I agree with you, Colin. I think
he you know Bill, look you get him out of
the office. He is a funny guy. He's a good person.
You know, he's obviously very prickly around the office and
in a professional setting. Yeah, but I thought I thought
that was good for him last night. I didn't know
if he was going to be there. They didn't. I
don't think they knew if he was going to be
there until like maybe two days ago. And yeah, I
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definitely thought he was a winter last night. Come in
and you know, Bill to laugh at himself and be
a little bit lighthearted. And then he and he and
Craft before the before the show, they got some time
to break it down, just the two of them, you know,
and nobody knows what was said, but the two of
them got to spend some time together, which was great.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, Tom was mostly comfortable. But I sat there and
I thought, oh, man, I I can laugh at myself,
but it's pretty rough. Was there ever a moment you thought, man,
we're being rough, We're being rough. We're going after everything here, you.
Speaker 12 (35:20):
Know, Uh, oh man, Some of the uh some of
the crypto stuff I had. I had honestly almost forgotten
about that, and they went deep on that stuff on
him and then uh but you know that, I mean,
the truth is with Tom, you know, I mean, you
can't make fun of his career, you can't make fun
of his accomplishments, so you gotta go personal. And uh,
(35:41):
I think that that's that's what he that's what he
signed up for, you know. I mean, I don't have
a lot of stuff to make up make fun of
him for, but I can make fun of the fact
that he's not married anymore.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
So that's that's where I had to go.
Speaker 12 (35:52):
But uh, but man, he was uh now, he was
a good sport and uh, you know, unicated with him
before that. And his his point was, look, man, all
this stuff's already been said, like, none of this is
brand new material, and so he's like, might as well
to say it to my face instead of just staying
on outside. But uh did I'll tell you. What I'll
(36:14):
tell you was what was what was pretty interesting though. Man,
you're sitting up there and you know, everybody's on teleprompters
and got all this stuff written before. But dude, Rob
Gronkowski is just Rob Gronkowski and that's what he's best at,
is being Gronk. And uh so I'm up there looking
at the teleprompter like, dude, this guy is so far
off script.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I don't know if he's ever going to get back.
Speaker 12 (36:34):
And they weren't faking it manly and he and Kevin
Hart were drinking lots of tequila.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, sitting up there last night, Man, it was it
was funny.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Well, I'm glad you are sunglasses. I don't need to
see those red eyes. Go go go hit one under.
I know where you're at. It's a great course. Good
luck to you.
Speaker 12 (36:52):
Yeah, going going going low today, playing again with a
bunch of the bunch of the comedians today. So at
the very we're gonna laugh a lot and uh and
then I'm gonna go home and get some rest for
a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Then I'm cool over this stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
He won't even drink his own wine for a couple
of days. Uh, Drew Bledsoe, it's great seeing.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You man, You two Colin always good men. See you
all right.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Uh yeah, he had one of the funnier jokes. He
had one of the funnier jokes He was good. And
you know, it's interesting because Drew he's a Patriot Hall
of Famer. You know, people forget this, he got a
hundred million dollar contract back when in sports that was
a lot and they moved off him because of that injury,
and it was rough there for him, and a lot
of people have minimized what he did. But Drew is
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one of the five best college quarterbacks I think I've
ever seen. He was an unbelievable town to be a
number one pick at a Washington state, think about that.
A lot of these number one picks comes from your
your Michigan's, USC is, your big schools. You're number one
out of Washington State. How good you gotta be. Uh So,
it's good that he and he and Brady chop it
up and get along, but it was, it was it
(37:57):
was pretty raw. Gronk is I mean, I worked with
on the set on the pregame show a couple of times.
He's just so I mean, it's he just is such
a unique guy. You can't really script Gronk, Would.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
You ever subject yourself to something like that or roast?
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, I mean when Jeffrey Ross is doing it, Yes,
you dude, it's funny. I mean, it's it's you are part.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
It was one moment Brady didn't like.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, well, get come on, I mean we all know
there's I mean, listen, Tom took shots at Tom. He
didn't like a shot at Craft. But Tommy just sat
there and laughed at He had a couple of good
lines as well. Yeah, it was you had.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
So your hell are your kids eleven and thirteen?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
So I eleven and thirteen is an interesting age because
there I think one time I took my kids to
a movie and it was go either way, but my
feeling was my kids were pretty bright, and I thought
and then when I got home from the movie, I
was like, my son had a little nightmare, and I
was like, yeah, I probably shouldn't have. It wasn't a thriller,
but it was a little I.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Mean, the cuss words are not a big deal. Kids,
You're cuss words all the time. It's some of the
graphic detail.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, yeah, I just so you rolled the dice on
it for your eleven and thirteen year old.
Speaker 7 (39:07):
It didn't last long.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
So your wife signed up.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
She does not know about any of this, yes, oh
yeah great.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
She was at the Beach Life Festival I was like,
I'm not doing that. I gotta watch roast and uh.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You know she's not aware that you let them.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Now, my son goes around the house repeating some of
the phrases that Nicky glazy.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
So I let my son, when he was young, watch
Spider Man. And you know, little boys can be aggressive,
and he was. He was in a jump around the
house and break furniture. Yeah, And I let him watch
Spider Man. And for like three days he was attacking
lamps and I'm like, bad call by me.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
No, look, come on, that's fun.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
It wasn't. And didn't think it was that funny. Oh okay,
you break a couple of Ann's lamps that she.
Speaker 7 (39:45):
Ordered, you know, yeah, a little worked up, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, and didn't didn't didn't play well in the house.
All right, We got all sorts of stuff. Colin Wright,
Colin right, you know what I'm gonna do. Later we
were talking about this. If you did a Patriot pyramid,
who mattered most? Brady at the top. It is interesting
when you go back twenty years in that Patriot pyramid
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four bottom, three, two, tom top, who's there and who's not?
Now that just my opinion, But I lived in Connecticut
for eleven years, and so I watched every preseason game,
every snap for eleven years, and they kind of became
my favorite team because you just kind of fall in
love with anything you watch every day. So give me
my Patriot Pyramid next hour as well, it's the Herd
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of your day one hour from now. Where Colin was right,
where Colin is wrong, there is plenty of boat. So
I think it's amazing. First of all, Jmac, I'm always
(00:45):
amazed by technology. I tell the story one time I'm
in Manhattan Beach walking in the water and my daughter
is in Capetown, South Africa, sitting in a small room
and we face timing shows, and I'm like, how's this possible?
Where's this satellite? How is this happening? I'm amazed by technology.
Last night, anywhere in the world, you could have gone
onto Netflix's app and watched the Tom Brady Roast and
(01:08):
it was like, we live in an amazing place.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It used to be roasts were like if you did
Dean Martin, Johnny Carson, you know you'd see clips of
it ten years later. The average guy on the street,
average person couldn't watch stuff. So I thought it was
remarkable that you had this massive roast with all these
stars and the world could watch it live. That was
pretty cool. Did you see any of it last night? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I was watching with the kids at dinner and Nicki
Glazer makes a couple I hilarious inappropriate comments. I said,
all right, we got to shut it down and I
will watch the rest after work today.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, Nicky Glaser's pretty funny. So it's one of the
reasons I love football. There's a lot of reasons I
love football, but one of the reasons I love it
is it's a camaraderie. It's a family, it's a community.
And I'm watching this last night and I'm thinking to myself,
Belichick and Brady and Edelman and everybody's busting on everybody.
You couldn't do that in the NBA. There's just too
(01:56):
many egos. Rudy Gobert had a great line this weekend.
He talked about the Timberwolves, and he said, I've been
in this league a long time. I've never been part
of a group that cares about each other and wants
to see other people shine. It's hard to get that
in the NBA. It's not in the NFL. You see
it every Sunday. It's not about getting mine, it's about
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getting ours. And that's why you can host that roast
last night. The greatest coach of all time and the
greatest football player of all time, and people took shots
at them for three and a half hours. And maybe
it's due to the regulated level of violence that you
need protection, you need an ally. But when you see
a football player get hurt, hopefully not seriously, sometimes seriously,
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but when they get hurt, you see players go to
a knee, some start crying, they start praying. That's authentic.
That's how football works. It's bonding, it's sacrifice, its family.
I thought it was a great night for Belichick. I'll
get into that after the break, but I thought last
night is why I love football, is that the best coach,
the best quarterback. And some of it was cringy, some
(03:06):
of it you don't want around your kids. But I
did think There's been a lot of tension around Belichick
and Brady, and there's just tension all around the room,
and you throw craft in there. I thought some of
it was broken last night. A little bit lightened up
last night. And I get it, the Shaq and Kobe dynasties,
like I get it. It's intense, the heatels breaks up,
(03:29):
feelings are hurt. But I thought last night mattered. I
think this is why football is great, that people can
laugh at themselves. It's not about getting yours, it's about
getting ours. And here was a highlight of Jeffrey Ross,
the great roast master and comedian, taking a shot at
Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Tom, I really wanted you to be our first goat
to be roasted, because you're an example to future generations
that if you work hard, eat right, film the other
team's practices to flate the balls, and how the NFL
make new rules just for you, then you too can
be the third most famous guy in a Dunkin Donuts commercial.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That is perfect last night. We'll have more of it
throughout the day. But I'm serious about this. I think
there's a lot of reasons I like football. It's the
best sport on television. You can bet it. My wife
would watch a football game. It's once a week. There's
a scarcity advantage all of it. But I think another
big part of this is it's a collection. I sat
on a plane yesterday flying back from Salt Lake City,
and I sat next to a gentleman, very successful gentleman,
(04:37):
who is now an unpaid football coach. He does that
part time for his kids, for the community, He cares,
he loves it. He didn't have to do it, and
I really respect that. It's about ours, not mine, all right.
Speaking of the NBA, Anthony Edwards is he was in
(04:58):
a really bad draft and he was the only really
great player I think out of out of a bad draft.
And he's been in Minnesota, and Kevin Garnett was in
Minnesota for a long time and then eventually had to
leave to get a championship with the Boston Celtics. And
Minnesota has always been a franchise that has some really
interesting players, but you know, they got to get out
of there to win. And I think it's always an
(05:19):
advantage if you can stay a Kobe Bryant, a Derek Jeter,
where you can just stay in your place and win forever.
I'm not anti mobility. I'm all form mobility. You know,
in baseball there's just a handful of franchises that can
spend big money. You know, Yankees, Dodgers, Braves, Astros, a
lot of these franchises. You got to go there to
win championships if you really care about championships. As good
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as the Minnetoa Minnesota Twins maybe run, or as great
as the city is. You know, you pay Joe Mauer
twenty years ago and you can't pay anybody else. And
in the NBA there are some glamour franchises. The face
of the league has overwhelmingly been like Philadelphia, Boston, LA,
maybe in Miami. It doesn't end up in Cleveland much.
Lebron James, who was a star when he was sixteen,
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changed that. So can Anthony Edwards be the face of
the NBA, a league that's increasingly international and is dying
for a face of the NBA because Katie, Lebron and
Steph are out of the playoffs and that's not good.
And I said it a couple of weeks ago. Are
we at an inflection point here? Does he want to
be MJ or does he want to be Nik and
to be MJ, you got to embrace face of the league,
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and you got to win several titles. One will not do.
Barkley was great, never the face of the league. And
the West is deep and it's loaded, it's young, and
the teams are all getting better now. It took MJ
years to break through the Pistons and the Celtics. And
I'm watching Minnesota beat Denver and Denver, and I'm thinking,
at twenty two years old, is this kid breaking through?
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He's got several things that remind me of Michael Jordan.
He's got that relentless energy, like Jordan could play thirty
six holes of golf and then beat the Celtics later
that night. This kid's got energy that's hard to duplicate.
And the second thing is he has an a tac personality.
Jason Tatum's a nice kid. Aunt wants to dunk on
you and talk trash to you and guard the best guy.
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And that's very very MJ. And it's very attractive. We
like our athletes to be aggressive. So you know, there's
not that many when you go back to the seventies,
there's not that many NBA icons. There's been a lot
of great players, but the icons generally look different and
play different. I mean Shack's power, a Magic's size at
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point guard, Larry Bird's passing and shooting. He was a
forward when I watched basketball in the seventies, forwards couldn't shoot.
Larry Bird walked into the league and was the best
shooter and the best passer, and he was a forward.
Michael Jordan's relentlessness and style and aesthetics, and Edwards has
a lot of that. He will dunk sometime during the
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game and you'll go wow, and then he'll often say
something relatable and funny after the game. And it's not
that I doubt him. I said this a week ago.
I think we're at an inflection point. The league is
looking for a face of the league. A lot of
the international guys don't want to necessarily be there. It
helps to play college basketball a little we kind of
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we meet you there. I thought it could have been
Zion years ago. No, John Morant maybe no. It looks
like at twenty two years old, Aunt Edwards could be
the guy. He doesn't have to win this series. He
does not have to win now he's so young. But
I did watch the game this weekend and I thought, oh,
he's easily the best player on the floor. Jo Kis
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didn't play well. Jo Kis did not play well. I'm
sure he'll rebound, though Minnesota is so big they'll make
it tough for him. But here was Aunt after Game one,
not worried about the doubters.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
We're just coming out to play. It's not about introducing
us to nobody.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
We know who we are.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
We don't care what people say or what people think
about us. We're a collective group. We trust each other.
It's all love between us and we're well coached. So
you know, we're coming out and as long as we
got each other, it don't really matter what ain't anybody
else think.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
We'll see a lot of fun. He was absolutely the
best player on the floor in that game, twenty five
in the first half. Took a little break in the
third quarter. That's okay, he's human. He can't play at
that level the entire game. But when it was over,
I thought to myself, Okay, I still like Denver, but man,
they're not gonna have an answer athletically. They don't really
have an answer for ant. They've got a little bit
Minnesota got a little bit of an answer for Yokis
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because of their size, Denver didn't really have an answer
for your ant. And that was always the thing with
Jordan is that you know, you could have answers for
a lot of the things the Bulls did. But if
Michael went relentless where the steam's coming off his head
like twice a game, nobody in the league had an
answer for it. Other teams had great offensive players, there's
a Barkley here, there's a Gary Payton there, but nobody
really had an answer for Mike and his prime. And
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that's generally when you're a nikon like Jason Tatum, you
feel like he's gonna get his but can I make
it difficult? When you watched Ant in that first half,
Denver didn't even make it difficult, and they were trying,
and it wasn't close, and it was in Denver and
it was high alt, It's like, Okay, that looks like
somebody I remember two initials, MJ. So there you go,
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J Mac the roast. There's a lot of it we
can't play due to the fact that we're an over
the air cable network, but some of it was really funny.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, Kevin Hart, Nikki Glazer, Jeff Ross. Those are like
the three best roasters probably in America. They came out
strong with their best stuff. The little I saw was outstanding.
I don't know how you're gonna play stuff on.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
The show Todaypril Drew Bletsoe, Peyton Manning Drew Bletsoe was funny.
Peyton Manning was funny. So some people weren't as great.
But I will tell you the fact that I thought
Belichick was the biggest winner last night, and I want
to talk about that. I know I want to talk
about that coming up.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
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Speaker 1 (10:57):
Thought the big winner last night on the Brady Roast
was Bill Belichick. He could laugh at himself. So if
you watch that ten part Patriot Apple TV documentary, whether
or not a lot of people thought it was anti Bill, whatever,
one thing that was indisputable. He changed, like maybe a
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marriage or being president changes a person their hair color
and their personality. Belichick got more combative, more rigid, less collaborative.
You know, Bill, And this is pretty public. At some
point toward the end after he had, you know, a
trophy room and stacks of cash. He only wanted to
coach certain players. Well, that's not the sport. So when
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Brady went to Tampa, he got sillier, happier, more relatable.
It was more fun. It was the more fun Tom
right throw, almost throwing a trophy into the bay. Tom
Belichick got like grumpier, and the league noticed. Forget my opinion,
The league noticed, that's why old an he Reid is
doing commercials and could get hired tomorrow by twenty five teams,
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and old Bill Belichick got one interview twice by the
losing Atlanta Falcons. Forget my opinion. That was the league's opinion.
Bill needed to lighten up and be more collaborative. So
this is one of my rules of life. Rigid and
combative does not age well. It works while you're on top,
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but people will turn on you fast, and they did.
The league turned on Bill. And I think Bill spent
an entire career as a coach spotting weakness and attacking it.
And Bill Belichick deserves credit. He spotted his and he's
attacking it. He's gonna be on Manning cast, He's going
on TV and being funny he's going to a roast
and being made fun of. I thought Belichick was a
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huge winner last night. I thought he was a huge winner.
It's like, oh, this is the bill that Gronk told
me about here at Fox. This is the bill Julian
Edelman has told me about off air and on air
funny smart can laugh at himself. And if you go
watch that Apple documentary, there's no question you're watching it
and you're like, he's glib, he's firing back, and some
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of it. I get it. The media has too many
do gooders. They can wear you out. They ask questions
when you already have the answers. The media is not
terribly likable. I'm part of the media. I'm almost not
always likable. I get it. And you don't have to
like us. We're like the irs were paid to audit.
You like us when we give you a check back.
You don't like when you're being audited. And that's what
The media was not built to be everybody's friend. It
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was built to audit. And so Bill got tired of it.
And the Boston media can be snarky and angry and relentless,
and I get it. But I think the league told Bill,
you got to change bro like that. Nobody wants. This
is a collaborative league. Now it's a Sean McVay lea,
it's a Shanahan leak, it's a Kevin O'Connell league. People
want to work together. It's no more authoritarian. I run
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the show. Do your job, And I thought Bill last
night did himself a huge favor. Now he may just
stand broadcasting The Rose, the Manning Catt, all that stuff's
going to be good for Bill. But I just think
he's too smart. And this is not a shot of
anybody that's ever done TV. I told Sean Payton this
when he was crushing it on our show last year.
Every Monday, I'm like, you're too smart to be doing this.
You've got too many ideas for football to do this.
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Bill Parcells did TV and then went back Bill Belichick
in the right environment, he's just too damn smart to
be talking about football. He needs to be coaching it.
And I think but a year away from football, dealing
with some of the nonsense that we do, I think
he'll lighten him up and actually help him. I felt
that last night, And here was Kevin Hart during the roast.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
You know Bill is so part, so far apart from
each other. I just feel like, why do y'all take
a shot together?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Man?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Robert wants to do it. Bill, Poor
Bill a shot, Bill, Bill. This is a big moment.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Bill.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
I want to say, this is the greatest coach in
the history.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Of the game that didn't what no one else has done.
And having Tom Brady and him was the greatest honor
the Good Lord gave me.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So listen. I don't think Belichick is fond of Bob
Kraft anymore. I think that's pretty obvious in that video.
But again, you're not gonna be fond of everybody work for,
or work with, or work under. That's sports, that's life.
J mcklenews, No, no turns.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
This is the herdline news.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Belichick's face. What he was, you know, pretending to take
the shot?
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Look like, what am I doing here? Why do I
have to be? He?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I do?
Speaker 7 (15:47):
He did not look through.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
That was the one person there. He feels like that
documentary was I mean, there was many jokes about that.
He thought that was a roast. He thought it was
they were going after him for the entire documentary. And
you can say whatever you want might take away. It
was Bill, you didn't ingratiate yourself that last seven eight years.
I mean Kraft basically, if you think about it, Craft
stayed away from the whole thing until Garoppolo. Look how
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many bad owners we have, but how many medaling owners
we have one of the only non medaling owners in
the League of Steve Bashati with the Ravens. Almost all
these guys have egos, they medal. Craft mostly stayed out
of it. He let Brady and Belichick get all the
love forever. There's value in that. And in the end
he kind of felt like Bill treated him like crap,
and he was gonna say, Okay, guy that owns the
company gets the right the final chapter. That's how corporations work.
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And I don't think he likes Kraft, and I think
Kraft is trying to make amends. And they both probably
had a few pops in them. But in the end,
you're not gonna like everybody after you have a twenty
five year I mean, you used to be. There was
a time when Jerry West, Phil Jackson and pat Riley
were all friends. They're not anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It happens, all right, Let's start with the NBA the
MAVs knocked the Clippers out in Game six on Friday,
blowout City in the second half, Kyrie irving, my goodness,
twenty eight of his thirty in the second half. Yeah,
matching his highest output of any playoff happ in his career.
Kyrie now thirteen and oh when his teams can clinch
a series best record in close out games in NBA history.
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We briefly talked about that Friday on headlines Colin Luka
DONC is still dealing with some knee issues, but he's
at he had twenty eight, thirteen and seven. MAVs OKC
begins tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
Do you have any lean on this series?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
How you feel about the MAVs matchups for Phenomenal in
this series?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, that you know how they say styles make fights,
Like you have to watch the first couple of rounds
of a fight to see how the styles work. That's
what I feel like in this series. Can I watch
a game to get a sense of it? Like, I
don't really know. I have a team that sort of
lobsided in Dallas, although they played great defense against Clippers
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like phenomenal, Clippers average one hundred a game. If Dallas
plays that level of defense. They probably win. They've got
veteran stars against young stars. But I want to see
the first game matchups.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
That's what That's the vibe from a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I'll say this, Maxi kleeber injury ac joint out three weeks.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
I know people are.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Gonna be like, oh, MAXI clear, he is a really
pivotal chess piece who can play big or small, play
the five. They put him on chet Holgrin. I don't
know how they stop chet holgrim The only thing is
like he's a what is he? Twenty one year old guy? Like,
you don't have to worry about that. I'll go MAVs
in six. I just I you know, I'm bullish on
this match.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Are ever coming back?
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Is the guy that got hurt coming flavor?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Maybe for the conference finals we'll see, but probably NBA
finals they need him.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
But I just who guards Kyrie Irving? Colin?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
He has been unbelievable in these playoffs, like under control, calm,
not ball hog guy.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
This Kyrie Irving is the best Kyrie Irving, as good
as we've seen since he.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Played with Lebron Right.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Yeah, he's not a one, he's a perfect two.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well, the one is also about personality and reliability. One's
not just production. Well, Kyrie is a great two Luca,
I think I get the same production every night, the
same minutes, the same guy. Pretty much cranky with the officials.
But I with Kyrie being a number one NBA fanboy
thinks it's all about your jumper. No, it's not. I mean,
Kawhi Leonard's gout number one talent, he's not reliable, he's
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not available.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Next up the Cleveland Cavaliers in Game seven at home Sunday.
We're down by eighteen in the first half, and Donovan
Mitchell let an incredible comeback. He had thirty nine points
coming off his fifty burger in Game six. Here's Donovan
Mitchell after his heroic comeback leading the Cavs to victory.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
Well, I'm tired of losing the first round. That's that's
first and foremost, and that's just you know, that's you
work too hard. You know, we worked too hard as
a group. So that was kind of my mindset for me,
just be just being attack minded, you know, I mean
going out obviously, you know, battling through what I'm battling through.
But I could battle through it and figure it out
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or I could rehab it for the next three or
four months. That's kind of where I'm at mentally. We
accomplished one goal. Now we could do it again.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
As the mindset, Yeah, I am Mitchell. You think he's
going to be in Cleveland one year from now?
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Well he did.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Gonna approach him with the extension, Hey, Donovan, do you
want to sign this four year, two hundred million dollar deal?
And He'll say sure or no, thanks, I'm good.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
I want to go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I want to play it. I do not buy for
a second. The New York Nick rumors, I don't think
he fits that at all. Not a good fit. Yeah,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
But La Lakers they had to be impressed. Eighty nine
points in the final two games of the series.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
He's the scorer. You there will be no questions. Uh
if he goes to the Lakers. Now, how do you
get him to the Lakers? As difficult?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, Lebron could take a pay cut.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Oh really, you get Lebron's gonna take a pay cut?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
No, No, he's not. Oh, but if you wanted him,
you could get him. There's a lot of things. You
Brady took pay couch his entire career, what do you
want to totally different?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Totally his wife was a supermodel worth five hundred million dollars, Like,
that's a little different.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, but Tom didn't have a shoe deal. NFL guys
don't have shoe deals. So you can say Tom's wife
was a supermodel. Lebron had a shoe deal that he's
made four hundred million on.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So if your Genie Bus and you say Lebron take
a pay cut, you can get down.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Now you'd halt the athlete would have the self awareness
to go, I want another great player that will make
my life easier and I won't have to be a
seventh seed facing Denver.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
You know what I'd say to Genie Bus, Genie, that's
that's one option.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Or you could just go into the luxury tax. Why
don't you pay the luxury tax and bring on Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I mean Lebron was the first. You're a billionaire, I'm not, No,
he is. Lebron's the first active athlete.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
He's oh he's a billionaire.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Official. Yeah, take a little pay cut on the salary.
I mean California gobbles half of it. Anyway you want
to do, you want to end your career getting knocked
out in the first round, or do you want a
better player again? The NBA is all about let me
get mine. NFL is about we get ours. So what
do you want to be? Lebron's not getting out of
the seven eight first round if he's gonna just I'm
not the most money. Okay, good luck, cham knock it out.
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Sleep on that better cash, have a big mansion. Do
you want to win? You're not feat Oklahoma City's getting better,
Dallas not getting worse, Minnesota's not getting worse, Denver's not
getting worse. I just I don't okay, I mean again,
I don't care. But once you hit that billionaire. NBA
guys you can always point to a lot of things.
NFL guys don't have shoe deals, so NBA guys have
a second revenue stream that baseball guys don't get, NFL
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guys don't get, hockey guys don't get. So I don't
want to hear about money. You have a you have
a second. By the way, that revenue stream is even
taxed differently. And some guys make more in the shoes
than they make in their basketball I mean, Michael Jordan's
made a thousand times more so again, if you don't
want to consider that.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Well I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I mean it's tough to say, hey, take a pay
cut when you look around the league and there's ten
guys making more than you and you're still in your
twenty of the best guys.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Michael Jordan was never the highest paid guy until he
demanded it late in his career. Late, but when he
was dominating the league his career.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
He's still dominates an all NBA guy.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Lebron's been like highest paid guy for a long time. Like, again,
what do you want? What manners do?
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Want to spend whatever it takes to win a championship?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's what I want. Well, there's salary caps and this
is not a rich ownership group. Steve Ballmer will pay
the luck tax, Joe Lake.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Lebron needs to go to another team that will pay
the going to the luxe of Lakers.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Or they're not gonna pay that tax. This Genie Buss
is arguably the poorest owner.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
In the league. Now you know who fan the taxes
here Minnesota. Guess where they're.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Going maybe the finals? You want you want to you
want to be the best, you gotta pay these guys right.
I just I don't like the idea of pay cuts,
especially for Lebron. But anyways, final story is.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Aaron Rodgers turning over a new leaf column. Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So Robert Sala said Rogers is not gonna have any
restrictions when they reached the phase three of the OTAs
and Rogers trick to the podium and has apparently invited
the third round rookie Malachi Corley to live in his
guest house.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Nice.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Yeah, I always talked to him on Draft night. You know,
I've texted him last couple of nights. I'm just like
a little kid, like you know, he's the he's the MVP,
Hall of Famer, all those type of things. So I'm
just like a little kid talking to him all the time,
texting him, trying to see what he's done, to stay
consistent in the league of the things that he's done.
Let me said, I can stay in his guest house
if I want to, So.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Me and him we are close.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's gonna be my.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Dog along here, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Hm.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Of course, very nice of him, very thoughtful of He's
got a hell of a real that black s medium
shirt he was wearing making.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
The guts look huge.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
My take on this is this is like a page
out of Tom Brady's book when Tom Brady left New
England to.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Go to Tampa. I'm gonna do whatever it takes. I'm
gonna invite Antonio Brown to live with me.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Let's come off with it.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
I know.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
But that's what Rogers are doing. He's just copying Tom Brady.
He just wants to be Brady.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I wouldn't go I think I I think this is good.
I think Aaron's toward the end of the road.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
He's hated rookies his entire career in Green Bay, right.
Remember he doesn't like play with young guys. Didn't like
Christian Watson and whoever the other guy.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Well let's be fair though, Uh you know, you get
into this old Manning, old Brady, old Aaron. They don't
have a lot of patience. They don't feel like it's
their job to teach you how to run a route.
Like I mean again, you want to play with these guys,
you need them. But I underst stand a quarterback. I
do understand older quarterbacks who have a year left not
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wanting to spend a year and a half teaching you
the route tree. So I think, and it's not that
they won't play with them, but I think if you
ask Brady or an Aaron Rodgers, they love I mean,
he loves Garrett Wilson, but there's a reason he wanted
Alan Lazard or Randall Cobb guys. That understand Again, coach's
job is to teach. A quarterbacks job is to win,
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and so I will defend the older quarterbacks who don't
want a roster full of That's why I said they
should go get a tackle, a roster full of young receivers.
And maybe your last year is a pro Like I
get it, Like Aaron wants to win right now. And
by the way, Brady took pay cuts, a lot of
these quarterbacks could make more money. They want to win now.
That's why you'll see these quarterbacks banging on the table
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for a veteran wide receiver and not necessarily always banging
the table for a great young receiver.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Or could it be that Aaron Rodgers banged the table
last year for Alan Lazard and Randall Cobb. We saw
how those worked out, and the jet said, you don't
have to. You don't get to pull all the strings
this year, Aaron, Sorry, you don't get to call all
the shots we're bringing on this third round guy.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
You need to gel with him.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I think the Jets are hopefully pushing back against some
Aaron Rodgers stuff.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Remember last year he got everything he wanted. They rolled
over it, gave him everything.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, that's how you got it. You could get if
you could get everything from a company, and you could,
and it may only happen once in your career, would
you not ask for it? I mean, you're never going
to get it in your life. Aaron didn't get what
he wanted every time.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
I earned that. If they're coming to me and giving
me everything, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Right, and that's what Aaron.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Aaron earned it.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I was an MVP multiple times. I got a Super Bowl.
You're the New York Jets. I'm gonna come here, but
you have to give me what I want.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
Off a crapy year that he had.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Brady, get me a right tackle, get me Gronk, get
me ab and get Arian's upstairs.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Brady showed up with how many Super Bowl rings?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well a ring counts too, not just nine a decade ago.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
I mean, was I even living in LA at the time.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I thought you were a Jets fan.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
I am, but Uh, it's just salty about Rogers.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news and
thanks for stubbing by the herd line. I'm looking at
the next round of these playoffs series Thunder Mavericks, OKC Mavericks, Minnesota, Denver, Boston, Cleveland, Indiana, Knicks.
(27:19):
The NBA really needs the Knicks and Jalen Brunson uh
to carry the NBA rating. So Celtics and Knicks, those
are the only kind of national brands that really hit
this playoffs. Feels like the Yankees are in it in
the Braves and then it's the Baltimore Orioles six times.
(27:39):
Like you need the Knicks to win this series. So
that there was once a Spurs Nets Final in the NBA,
and I mean nobody watched. And there's no question in
my mind, like if Caitlin Clark, if the WNBA season
was going on right now, Caitlin Clark would get better
ratings in the WNBA than a couple of these series
would get. And I'm dead serious. So Jalen Brunson is
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really important, not just the New York market. But there's
a lot about this team to like, is that they're underdogs.
They play hard. It's an effort team, they're an underdog.
It's the New York market, they're celebrities in the crowd.
It feels really big on TV. But that would make it,
you know, if you put the Knicks and the Celtics
in the Eastern Conference finals. That feels to me very palatable.
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By the way. Drew Bledsoe, who was at the roast
last night and very funny's coming up next. Eric Mangini
watched the whole thing. He was there for the early
days of it, got several rings. He'll be joining us today.
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong at the
top of Next Hour on a Monday as well.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
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Speaker 11 (28:48):
Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball.
We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's
more about the stories about what made these people love
their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way.
We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell
you stories. You download it, you listen to it.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
I think you'll like it.
Speaker 11 (29:08):
Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio,
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Speaker 1 (29:16):
Early in his career, the first like fifteen sixteen years,
you know, having Lebron guaranteed you a trip to the finals.
You got forty four minutes. He was the best player
on the game. In every game he played, he would
take a series over even if they were out manned.
Now he's still a playmaker, the Lakers' best playmaker, and
he still gives you bursts of amazing. Nobody would dispute that.
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But he doesn't guarantee anything. So if somebody guarantees something,
it's a different relationship. I'm willing to do almost everything.
But if you don't guarantee me anything, and Lebron doesn't,
they were a seventh seed. So this constant need by
Lebron to have like the perfect coach and the perfect roster.
Bro got to take a pay cut if you want
a better roster because this the rosters you've been in
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the last several years are not perfect and are not close.
And remember when Lebron first came to the Lakers, there
was a lot of old heads in the West. Denver's young, Okase,
He's young. Minnesota is a mix of old and young,
Sacramento's young, you know, the two LA teams kind of
old Clippers injured and old Lakers healthier and old. But
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you know, I think, and I also think when JJ
Reddick's your friend and that's one of the better candidates,
I think anytime a friend is a top candidate for
any business, you know, can that friend hold you accountable?
But I do think there was a time with Lebron
he gets guaranteed me things, so Dan Gilbert could complain
or pat Riley didn't like it, but he guaranteed a
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trip to the finals and he can win him about
half the time. That's a different relationship. That's that's totally different.
But you don't get the guarantees anymore. So Lebron's done
a very good job to kind of carefully craft his image,
you know, but I don't think anybody buys it anymore.
We all know that Darvin Ham got a vote of
confidence in a week later he was fired. That doesn't happen.
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I mean, your wife doesn't say I love you more
than anything in the world. Six days later she files
for divorce. Somebody fooled around, like something happened. That doesn't
You don't go for that pendulum swing. So this was
a Lebron or a Clutch sports. They can deny it
all they want, but nobody's buying any of it. And
I think nobody's buying what Lebron is selling, which is,
hey man, it's not my job. I just play.
Speaker 12 (31:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
You do more than that. And I don't think Darvin
Ham was the best coach in the league. I don't
think he's Pop or Spolstra or Steve Kerr. But I
don't think at this point who would want that job again.
The Lakers are now going to hire their eight coach
in fourteen years. That is a that's us. I mean
you're getting into New York Jets territory. Who wants the job?
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Who wants the job? So Rick Buker last week on
you know how hard it is at this stage to
appease Lebron. We're catering to you.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
If it doesn't if it doesn't work, I'm not gonna
blame other people. We we did what you asked us
to do. We got you who you wanted to get,
and there's nothing wrong with failing. It's just abdicating the
responsibility of that. Darvin Ham, by no means was perfect
in the job that he did. But you're not going
to find somebody who's going to fix this this roster,
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this group with a thirty nine year old Lebron James
as your closer still and win, win a championship.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
All right, let's go now listen, and Drew Bletsoe does
not have to come on our show today. People were
having a good time last night and Drew Blepsoe was
one of the funnier guys out there willing to take
a shot at Tom. Now look at it, so you
look like you're about ready you need to be hydh
rended and you're about ready to play golf? Am I
right with both of those?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You are?
Speaker 12 (32:53):
And what I really need right now, Colin, I need
an IV is what I mean. We went to the
we went to the UH to the after party at
the comedy store, and stayed there way, way too late,
and now we're getting ready to go to it up.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Let me ask you this, though you probably had expectations
going in, I thought, oh, there's a lot of tension here.
This is going to be a little How did it
deliver based on your expectations flying down from the northwest,
getting too la and what you were expecting.
Speaker 12 (33:22):
You know, I mean I knew it was going to
be rough on Tom, and I knew they were going
to come back at me too. But you know, I mean,
a roast is a roast, right, You got to go
all in otherwise it doesn't Otherwise it doesn't work. But man,
it was so damn funny calling and just sitting there.
I was glad that I was up early. There was
a lot of pressure to go early. You know, people
(33:44):
have been drinking very much, so I actually had to
be funny.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
They couldn't just be wasted.
Speaker 12 (33:47):
And but I was really glad I went early, so
then I got to just sit back and laugh the
rest of the time.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Man, it was funny as hell.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So when it was over, I mean literally there was.
There was a moment with Bellet checking craft at the
podium with Kevin. Bill looked like the last place on
earth he wanted to be. I get it. He hated
the documentary. I get it. But I will tell you this, Drew.
I thought Belichick was a winner last night. He laughed,
He laughed at himself. And I think Bill the last
several years, you know, came across as a little combative
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and rigid I thought Bill handle that. I thought I
thought Bill was one of the winners last night.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I agree with you, Colin. I think
he you know Bill, look you get him out of
the office. He is a funny guy. He's a good person.
You know, he's obviously very prickly around the office and
in a professional setting. Yeah, but I thought I thought
that was good for him last night. I didn't know
if he was going to be there. They didn't. I
don't think they knew if he was going to be
there until like maybe two days ago. And yeah, I
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definitely thought he was a winter last night. Come in
and you know, Bill to laugh at himself and be
a little bit lighthearted. And then he and he and
Craft before the before the show, they got some time
to break it down, just the two of them, you know,
and nobody knows what was said, but the two of
them got to spend some time together, which was great.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, Tom was mostly comfortable. But I sat there and
I thought, oh, man, I I can laugh at myself,
but it's pretty rough. Was there ever a moment you thought, man,
we're being rough, We're being rough. We're going after everything here, you.
Speaker 12 (35:20):
Know, Uh, oh man, Some of the uh some of
the crypto stuff I had. I had honestly almost forgotten
about that, and they went deep on that stuff on
him and then uh but you know that, I mean,
the truth is with Tom, you know, I mean, you
can't make fun of his career, you can't make fun
of his accomplishments, so you gotta go personal. And uh,
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I think that that's that's what he that's what he
signed up for, you know. I mean, I don't have
a lot of stuff to make up make fun of
him for, but I can make fun of the fact
that he's not married anymore.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
So that's that's where I had to go.
Speaker 12 (35:52):
But uh, but man, he was uh now, he was
a good sport and uh, you know, unicated with him
before that. And his his point was, look, man, all
this stuff's already been said, like, none of this is
brand new material, and so he's like, might as well
to say it to my face instead of just staying
on outside. But uh did I'll tell you. What I'll
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tell you was what was what was pretty interesting though. Man,
you're sitting up there and you know, everybody's on teleprompters
and got all this stuff written before. But dude, Rob
Gronkowski is just Rob Gronkowski and that's what he's best at,
is being Gronk. And uh so I'm up there looking
at the teleprompter like, dude, this guy is so far
off script.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I don't know if he's ever going to get back.
Speaker 12 (36:34):
And they weren't faking it manly and he and Kevin
Hart were drinking lots of tequila.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, sitting up there last night, Man, it was it
was funny.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Well, I'm glad you are sunglasses. I don't need to
see those red eyes. Go go go hit one under.
I know where you're at. It's a great course. Good
luck to you.
Speaker 12 (36:52):
Yeah, going going going low today, playing again with a
bunch of the bunch of the comedians today. So at
the very we're gonna laugh a lot and uh and
then I'm gonna go home and get some rest for
a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Then I'm cool over this stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
He won't even drink his own wine for a couple
of days. Uh, Drew Bledsoe, it's great seeing.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You man, You two Colin always good men. See you
all right.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Uh yeah, he had one of the funnier jokes. He
had one of the funnier jokes He was good. And
you know, it's interesting because Drew he's a Patriot Hall
of Famer. You know, people forget this, he got a
hundred million dollar contract back when in sports that was
a lot and they moved off him because of that injury,
and it was rough there for him, and a lot
of people have minimized what he did. But Drew is
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one of the five best college quarterbacks I think I've
ever seen. He was an unbelievable town to be a
number one pick at a Washington state, think about that.
A lot of these number one picks comes from your
your Michigan's, USC is, your big schools. You're number one
out of Washington State. How good you gotta be. Uh So,
it's good that he and he and Brady chop it
up and get along, but it was, it was it
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was pretty raw. Gronk is I mean, I worked with
on the set on the pregame show a couple of times.
He's just so I mean, it's he just is such
a unique guy. You can't really script Gronk, Would.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
You ever subject yourself to something like that or roast?
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, I mean when Jeffrey Ross is doing it, Yes,
you dude, it's funny. I mean, it's it's you are part.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
It was one moment Brady didn't like.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, well, get come on, I mean we all know
there's I mean, listen, Tom took shots at Tom. He
didn't like a shot at Craft. But Tommy just sat
there and laughed at He had a couple of good
lines as well. Yeah, it was you had.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
So your hell are your kids eleven and thirteen?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
So I eleven and thirteen is an interesting age because
there I think one time I took my kids to
a movie and it was go either way, but my
feeling was my kids were pretty bright, and I thought
and then when I got home from the movie, I
was like, my son had a little nightmare, and I
was like, yeah, I probably shouldn't have. It wasn't a thriller,
but it was a little I.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Mean, the cuss words are not a big deal. Kids,
You're cuss words all the time. It's some of the
graphic detail.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, yeah, I just so you rolled the dice on
it for your eleven and thirteen year old.
Speaker 7 (39:07):
It didn't last long.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
So your wife signed up.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
She does not know about any of this, yes, oh
yeah great.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
She was at the Beach Life Festival I was like,
I'm not doing that. I gotta watch roast and uh.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You know she's not aware that you let them.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Now, my son goes around the house repeating some of
the phrases that Nicky glazy.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
So I let my son, when he was young, watch
Spider Man. And you know, little boys can be aggressive,
and he was. He was in a jump around the
house and break furniture. Yeah, And I let him watch
Spider Man. And for like three days he was attacking
lamps and I'm like, bad call by me.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
No, look, come on, that's fun.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
It wasn't. And didn't think it was that funny. Oh okay,
you break a couple of Ann's lamps that she.
Speaker 7 (39:45):
Ordered, you know, yeah, a little worked up, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, and didn't didn't didn't play well in the house.
All right, We got all sorts of stuff. Colin Wright,
Colin right, you know what I'm gonna do. Later we
were talking about this. If you did a Patriot pyramid,
who mattered most? Brady at the top. It is interesting
when you go back twenty years in that Patriot pyramid
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four bottom, three, two, tom top, who's there and who's not?
Now that just my opinion, But I lived in Connecticut
for eleven years, and so I watched every preseason game,
every snap for eleven years, and they kind of became
my favorite team because you just kind of fall in
love with anything you watch every day. So give me
my Patriot Pyramid next hour as well, it's the Herd
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