April 10, 2024 • 41 mins
Thoughts on the Warriors win over the Lakers last night
Colin believes the Warriors are sending a clear message about this star player's future as they look to continue their dynasty
He defends Caleb Williams from all the criticism he's been receiving during the NFL draft process
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J McK and I went to the Warriors Lakers game
last night. Now, my binoculars can't see that far away.
I was very close to the Lakers huddle, mesmerized by
the brilliance of Lebron James Ad sat out. I'll tell
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you what. Between the Lakers not shooting well and the
Warriors shooting well, it was not a night for Ad
to take off the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Can you even take away a lot from this game?
Warriors I think set a record. It was like the
greatest three points us to night in the history of.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
The sport, according to some of the stats. I don't
know what to take away from it. No, ad though
is bleep for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, here's what I took away from it. So Klay
Thompson wants to stay with the Warriors, but Orlando is
gonna pay him a lot of money. A young team
that needs a shooter, the question is how much can
you pay him? Well, Joe lacub, the owner, through the years,
has kept his guys together, but Klay Thompson has looked
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in playoff action like he's washed. It's looked like it.
But if you notice, sometimes coaches send messages upstairs to
the owner, not verbal messages, more subtle messages. And I
watched that game last night. Not a lot you can
take out of it. A D is not there. Warriors
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were crazy hitting threes. But it feels like Steve Kerr
and his staff are running more of the offense through
Clay Thompson, are getting Klay Thompson more minutes, are getting
Klay Thompson more shots, and they're saying to the owner,
Joe Lacob, we need him. He's part of our soul.
The Warriors don't have any size, so they have to
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shoot well to win. Draymond five for five in the
first half on three Steph never missed one. Last night,
Pods was three for three. And the Warriors are not
a good team if they don't hit threes sixteen and
thirty one. They're a great team twenty eight and four
when they shoot over forty percent. And Klay Thompson is
part of that. And they drafted a kid out of
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Santa Clara Pods and he's got more energy than Clay,
but he's not as refined as Clay, and he hasn't
put on all the hours with Draymon in Clay And
I'm watching last night and if you look at the
numbers for Klay Thompson over the last three months, his
usage rate up each month, points up each month, minutes
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up each month. Why is he getting all these opportunities?
Why was he on a Draymond Green podcast? I think
the staff is sending a message kaminga all their young bigs.
They trade those guys tomorrow for a legitimate big time center.
They trade all of them. The core of this franchise
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is Steph, Draymon, Clay and Pods and at times he's
look washed. But they don't have any answers. They can't
beat a Denver. If Ad plays last night, it's a
different ball game. But at their core, Draymond, Steph and
Clay are so good together, create so many shots together.
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This is who they are for the time being, and
everybody on this team has to be ready to play
on Steph's timeline and Draymond's timeline, and Clay can do it.
Nothing against Jonathan Kaminga, but when you watch him live,
he doesn't have a finishing package. He's two or three
years away. He's not on steph timeline. He still needs
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two full seasons to really be a dominant player inside.
He's just athletic, long and twitchy. So I'm watching that
game last night and I don't know what you can
take away from it, but what I did is the
Warriors would give away all their length to get one
legitimate big. It's why I believe they're going to go
after Giannis or a Karl Anthony Towns or whoever. But
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they are getting that ball to Clay. They're running offense
through Clay. He's getting more minute, his usage rate is up,
and there's a reason for it, because this at their core,
this is what they are. They shoot well, they win,
they shoot poorly, they don't and Clay more often than
not shoots well here with Steve Kerr after.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We made you know, a million threes, and so the
ball was going in.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Everybody got going and to shoot whatever, sixty three percent
from three, that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
We always try to shoot the lights out. Doesn't always happen.
Now as far as the Lakers go, Anthony Davis didn't play,
and so Anthony Davis, whenever you have a great player,
I used to call, you know, Lebron was the great eraser.
The Miami Heat went to the finals four straight years.
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They had no size, they were a bad rebounding team,
no true center, they didn't have a true point guard.
Lebron just sort of erased all your issues. He still does,
by the way. But on the Lakers now, the one
player that really has become their best eraser isn't Lebron,
it's Anthony Davis. And when Anthony is out, man, do
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you see the limitations with this roster. So Lebron's on
his eighth or ninth coach in his career based on
the account, interim guys are not eighth or ninth. And
I don't know if he loves Darvin Ham. Darvin Ham's
a defensive coach. He has weird rotations. I mean, if
you don't have Anthony Davis and then you put Austin
Reeves and Lebron at the same time on the bench,
who's shooting, who's creating shots? What do you doing defensive coach?
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So part of Darvin Ham's rotations aren't great, but let's
be fair. This organization is playing catch up since the
Westbrook move didn't work and they moved off Russell Westbrook.
It didn't work, and they got length and they got
some shooting, but they didn't get any shot creators. Austin
Reeves is okay but limited athletically, and D'Angelo Russell sits
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around waiting for you to get him the ball in
a good spot. He's not elevating others. Lebron James last night,
year twenty one, when Anthony Davis is out, is still
by a wide margin the best shot creator either his
own or a teammate on the floor, and it's not close.
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That's why when Darvin Ham without ad takes him out
and Austin Reeves at the same time, it's a head
scratching moment. But this is really the key to this
organization now for years and years, even in the bubble.
It was Lebron's team. They wanted to hand the baton
to Ad the following year, but he came into camp
out of shape. But when you watch the Lakers last night,
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when AD's not there, he's the one that covers up
the holes. So why did the Warriors have such a
great shooting night Because Laker defenders, knowing they don't have
Ad protecting the rim, sag off their shooters and it's
wide open practice jumpers for the Warriors. AD plays, you're
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more aggressive defensively. Warriors don't get the open looks if
they beat their man off the dribble, Ad snuffs them
at the tin. So it is no longer Lebron. AD
is their eraser. He changes their entire defensive mindset. Lebron
doesn't have to be solely the shot creator. You can
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just dump it down load to Ad. He'll get stuff
off the glass or create his own shot. But I mean,
it's pretty obvious, and Draymond Green spotted it. You take
a d out all the holes, all the realities. Every
roster has realities in this league, including Denver. Boston's about
the only roster in the league that is deep talented,
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and there's no holes in it. Boston doesn't really have
a hole. Denver's got a hole. It's called their bench.
But you take a d out man, can you see
the holes on this Laker roster? And Draymond talked about
it after.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
It's different when it's Ad out there because you know
that covers. He cover up so many mistakes or you
know you can find things to him, so it's totally
different look when he's not on the floor.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, by the way, we were both at that game
last night. It is interesting to watch this Warrior team
for them to pivot to a championship team because they're
not a championship team. Now they're going to play their
way in hopefully to the playoffs, but they're not a
championship team. I don't think the Lakers are either, but
I think they're closer because of their size and the
matchup better with Denver. But if you're gonna pivot to
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a championship team, it's pretty obvious to me the four
guys you'd have to keep, Steph, Clay, Pods and Draymond.
You can move off your bigs and get another big.
Wiggins is really not part of the fabric he can
give you nights occasionally, but I was struck last night,
and I've noticed it over the last two months, the
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usage rate of Clay, the minutes for Clay, the shots
for Clay. It feels like to me, Kerr is making
he's making sure the guy's upstair notes because they're the
one that cut the check. They're gonna have to overpay
Clay relative to his current status. They're not gonna pay
Orlando money, but Kerr is trying to nudge him into
the you gotta pay some money because this is who
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we are. For the record, have you noticed how good
the Warriors now are as a road team. That's another
thing Steve Kerr realizes is that Clay's maturity on the road.
They got Jordan pulled out. Last year, the Warriors were
the worst road team outside of Houston in the league.
They're now one of the best road teams in the league. Why.
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That's another thing Kerr is saying. Remember Kerr defended Draymond
after the punch, because Kerr knows Kerr is defending Clay
Thompson in the last couple of months. He didn't have
to say it. He's showing it by his coaching. This
team now is a great road team. Why Steph Clay,
Draymond the Soul Pods, by the way, is a very
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good player. He's got great energy, but he just needs
more reps. He needs another year or two.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I don't I would be careful to read too much
into an early April victory when the Lakers were missing.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well regular season and Sunday men.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Here's the problem.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
What happens if you go to the play in and
you're the Warriors and you lose. AD's there and the
Warriors lose and the season's over, they don't get to
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Then what then is this? Keep four guys still in play?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I don't I think you have to.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You're not competing for a title. If Kaminga is is
somebody you're relying.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
On, you're not competing for a title of Clay and
Draymond and Pods and Curry or your big four.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You could make a pivot. I mean, you put Yannis
on this team with those four, You're.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Not keeping Pods if you're bringing Giannis, I mean, come on,
you gotta give up something.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You're giving up Kaminga. You're giving up You're giving up
all your draft gays Come.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
On, Bucks, aren't takens kminga in a poo poop platter
for yannas. Come on, man, I don't know the Darvin
Ham stuff. I think you might have buried the lead.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
There is Lebron gonna be on his tenth coach.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Guys, what are the chance of Darvan Ham's back next year?
Let's just go seventy seventy back or yeah, he's real guy.
Everybody bangs on Darvin Ham.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Well wait a minute, hold on pulling leaves and Lebron
and the Warriors going to fifteen to three running the game.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
The game was over in the first half. The Lakers
were not winning.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That game in four or five, six in the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, and then the next time down they were down nine.
I mean that game was never in doubt.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I don't know Darvin am is wearing thin on me now.
I'm not gonna overreact, no, Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Don't you notice though that people talk about rotations a
lot fans in media do when you have holes in
your team and you want him to just play Lebron
the whole game. Lebron's in your twenty one, you have
to give him rest. He was the first guy off
By the way, he was the first guy in the
first quarter that checked out.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yeah, he's coming off the illness, the flu, you know,
over the weekend, and I'm feeling good.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Little head cold.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
You guys are who were you more worried about heading
into the play in, the Warriors or the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
The Warriors, I'm not worried about. They just have realities
due to their lack of size. Kaminga's not a polished player.
He has no finishing package at the rim.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
He's just about TJD. Last night he bouncy.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
He's fine, but again, he's not finishing at the rim.
These are kids. Jokich isnt a kid, Karl Anthony Town's
Rudy Gobert, these aren't kids. They're gonna get old. Sabona
and you know you're not. Those Clippers are all old guys.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
It's weird to think one of those two teams we
saw last night is going to be not in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Well, I was thinking about this my takeaway last night
on the NBA how good are the Western Conference playoffs
going to be tough? Thank god Embiid came back, or
the Celtics may just sweep their way to the finals.
At least they could push him back a little.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
I think the Celtics may be looking at a twelve
and zero in the Eastern confer Honestly, it's that bleak.
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As we near the draft in a couple of weeks,
we've officially hit the point of the draft where we
are finding flaws that I'm not sure exist. Caleb Williams
will go number one. The USC quarterback will go to
the Chicago Bears. We all know that Greg McElroy, a friend,
I know him, I like him, but was critical of
Caleb Williams a couple of days ago, saying he faced
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any real adversity. Caleb Williams fired back, listing five or
six different things he had faced at his USC career
in Oklahoma career, illustrating some of the adversity he has faced.
I like Greg McElroy, but I will say this, did
he watch usse's offensive line the last two years? Its
nickname was adversity? There was only one way the last
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two years to win at USC shootout. They allowed forty
nine points to col I don't even know how that's possible.
In the PAC twelve, the truth was the roster was
sixty five percent seventy percent transfers. He didn't know half
these players. USC's defense was not only bad, it was
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the one hundred and twenty first ranked out of one
hundred and thirty three in Division one. It was the
worst total defense and the worst scoring defense in USC
school history. Caleb Williams felt like the mom who has
four kids, the husband leaves her, won't pay child support,
She gets three jobs, and now all of a sudden,
people say, you know, she's been a little moody lately.
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Why she always so tired? I don't know circumstances. If
you watch Caleb Williams the last two years, bad offensive lines,
average running back, tight end, wide receiver talent outside of
maybe Brendan Rice and Jordan Addison. An atrocious defense, the
worst in school history. As the PAC twelve last year
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may have been as good as it's been for twenty years.
I don't know what qualifies as adversity, but the idea
that KYLEB. Williams came to USC and it went just
as planned, that's actually the opposite of what happened. It
was really good for about eight or nine games and
then went sideways fast due to a lack of personnel,
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coaching on the defensive side, and just chaos within the program.
Let's not pretend stuff that doesn't exist exists. There's enough
flaws out there for the young players. Johnny Manziel was
on Skip Show this morning and talked about Caleb's transition
and his style from college to the NFL.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
You can't play the same college game forever. As anybody
comes to the NFL. It doesn't matter if it's Lamar
or Kyler, any of these guys who come in who
are really good on the unscripted side of things. You know,
he's going to have to come into a system and
play within a system. What I hope for Caleb is
that he gets somewhere that unlocks all of this, somewhere
that can bring this side out in him, because these
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are plays that you can't teach, you can't coach, and
that are just natural to who he is as a
football player.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, but he has essentially had to overcome coaching defense circumstances.
You can YouTube some of this stuff. I think he
had won maybe two bad habs at USC in two years,
and that was about it. Jmack with a news no,
no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
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Speaker 5 (17:01):
You know we don't traffic in bad takes here, but
that McElroy take was awful for a guy who's super smart, right,
Remember he was a college academic All American and almost
as the wonder Lick.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
That was one of the weakest takes I'd heard on.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Kims Well, USC has been a circus the last year
and a half.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Did you not watch college football?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Like KILB Williams going to throw a ton of adversity
almost every year? I just I was disappointed. Anyways, let's
start with the NFL draft. Teams are looking up their
boards valuing prospects, and.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Colin Albert Preer interviewed an.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Anonymous NFL coach who has Michael pennockx Junior as the
second best quarterback available, adding he's a stud of born later,
calm and collected stands in the pocket. Let's plays develop
just a winner. We watch a lot of college football
in these parts. Yeah, I'm sorry, you can't convince me
that Jayden Daniels was a better quarterback last year than
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Michael Pennox. I know the pro prospects are different, but well,
this take does not shock me that Pennix is the
second best quarterback according to.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I think he throws the best ball. He also a
great coach at great OC two NFL offensive lineman, three
NFL receivers in a conference known for offense over defense.
So I like Michael Pennocks a lot. I think he
throws beautiful ball. The knock on him, I don't think
he's a Sean Payton quarterback necessarily. The knock on him
has been teams like Michigan faced him and said throw
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over the middle, throw underneath. He doesn't do that. To that,
I would say, I'd rather have to teach a guy
the underneath stuff than the ability to see and throw
down the field. So I think depending on where he lands,
and I think I've told you this, I think Caleb
Williams will be productive week one. The rest of these
quarterbacks will be as good as where they land. I think, though,
he throws a much better ball than guys I like
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Bo Nicks, better than JJ McCarthy, better than Drake May.
I think he throws a beautiful ball.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
So I'm looking up the list of left handed quarterbacks
in the NFL, and there just aren't many.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Of Steve Young, Mark Brunell.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I'm talking about currently, like right right now.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
And so you look at some of these teams and
the coaches like drafting a lift in a quarterbacks not
just plug and play. You gotta flip a lot of stuff,
make sure the offensive line is in right shape. Because
the Miami Dolphins coaches talked about this about having a
left handed quarterback.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
It changes a lot of things in the offense.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Well, couldn't Miami argue with Tua being a.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Left e that's to me, that's the best spots.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, I don't think that's a bad call. That's not
a bad take. I think I think Miami because his
comp is that he is a bigger Tua. He's had
college injuries like Tua. Left hander like Tua. He throws
a better deep ball. He's a stronger athlete and a
stronger arm than Tua. Like Tua. He can move, but
you wouldn't call him like Agile or or he's you know,
he's not gonna run around like c. J. Stroud. He
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can move, but that's not his game. Herbert, same thing.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It's just a plug and play you put Pennington.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Now, this is where it gets interesting, Colin, what's going
on with the two extension rookie contract? You're waiting for
that second We've been hearing for a couple months now.
I think this was like starting in February, Dolphins moved off.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
A lot of guys. What's going on in Miami?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Are they waiting for another quarterback to get his extension
first and see where to of Fall's I don't know
what the answer is, but I certainly think Michael Pennock
should be in play for I think that's the best
fit without for me, maybe best fit of any quarterback
in this in the draft.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I don't think that's terrible. I think, yeah, I think
I think Caleb's gonna fit anywhere, But I don't. I
don't think that's terrible. I think Michael Pennock's in Miami's
are really good fit. Now, I think I don't know
if they take him. I think bow Nicks works with
Sean Payton. I think he's I think he reminds me
of a young Drew Brees. Accurate, moves, well, heady, kidd
reads the field. That's what he reminds me of.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
So where does Jadon Daniels.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Think.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I think he's going to to Washington because Cliff Kingsbury's
had several quarterbacks that play like Jaden. So I'm told,
I am told this morning, and I was told over
the weekend that Washington and Jaden Daniels as of now
that's the pick.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Don't love it for my Washington.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
If a quarterback is going to drop in this draft,
one you he does every couple of years. Us Drake May,
Drake May.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Okay, so just remember, we'll move on.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
We don't have to move on.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
He was like October and there Caleb was struggling, and
you start to hear the chatter, ooh, could Drake May
catch him? Because Caleb is really struggling, and the Notre
Dame game, and now all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Two weeks before the draft, Drake May's falling.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well that just feels well, well, what happened is Drake May.
The initial comp is wow, it looks like justin Herbert,
and then over two months all the scouts start pouring
over film. Then he doesn't have a great pro day,
misses on like simple stuff and everything is something, nothing
is everything. There's been a lot of something's something that
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have not been for Drake May. The more you pour
over film, why did he have a bad final year?
Not as good? When you pour over stuff? Why didn't
you have a very good combine? He's not a natural
easy thrower like he's he look, he's the size and
plays a little like Herbert. He's not quite as mechanical
as Herbert. But he's also not as consistently accurate as Herbert.
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And I think as you pour it's like a resume.
It's like when you're interviewing somebody for a job. If
I had to make a big, huge hire and you
see somebody's resume, it's like wow. And then you make
two calls and you hear something you don't love, and
then you interview him once and you're like kind of
like if you interview him a second time, and you're
like red flag. The further and the deeper you dig,
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sometimes you get little bits of information that you don't like.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Okay, fairenough. I'm not gonna argue on it.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I'll just say this, if Washington takes Daniels over May,
they'll regret it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Just file that away, Wessel, clip that off.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Anyways, Next up, how about this last night Colin, I
knew we were at the Lakers game, but what about
the Phoenix Suns. I looked at my phone and saw
this score. The Suns were down thirty five to four.
Oh my god, in the first quarter at home against
the Paper thirty five to four. James Harden did not play,
Kawhi Leonard did not play, and it was thirty five
to four. I'm not making the score up. They ended
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up with ten first quarter points. They trailed their as
many as thirty seven points. The Sunder now the seventh seed,
and they had all this.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
What a disappointment.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Bal Booker. Booker was one of eleven kd played.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
This was at home, now, I haven't I didn't talk
to my couple of Phoenix Suns people that I know,
but I gotta imagine they are starting to get a
little nervous there about that.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I'm gonna be honest with you. I did not watch
this because I was at the Laker game. Thirty five
to four at home. Yeah, I've never heard of anything on.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Two of their three best players were out, Harden and Kawhi.
But what did you not try? Now they play again tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Colin was wrong on this.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I'm not a buit.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I thought they were gonna end up number two in
the West, so.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I thought they were gonna Yeah, I'm not gonna say it.
I thought they were gonna win the championship. For Bradley Beal,
I was like, Oh, they're gonna win the West, So.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I mean what. So here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
We both liked him.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I did think that the criticism of the bench was
was fair. Bradley Beal's not as healthy as I would
have hoped. But what is the primary reason why these
talented guys? Does this go back to what KD is,
which is a great shot maker. He's not a leader.
He's not a tour to force personality.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Who's your alpha in the huddle in Phoenix? I don't
think it's Booker. I like Booker a lot. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Last night when you go to the Laker game, I'm
sitting there walking by the Warriors bench and Draymond Green
is literally with Steve Kerr talking, barking, instructing. It's like,
that's leadership. And KD didn't know what's like the way
Draymond led. But Dramon has taking a team with no
bigs and a bunch of kids and they're viable. I
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mean this, this Phoenix thing, This has been a disappointment.
Frank Vogel, by the way, not a good day in
Arizona yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Oh boy, oh oh oh wow, you went there.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Bad day in Arizona.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I'm not a bit I can't believe you with it.
I'm not a big gambler on NBA in the regular season.
But the Suns play the Clippers tonight here in.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
First quarter. The Suns had better come out with their
hair on fire.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
And you gotta assume they're gonna exact some revenge first quarter.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Bet you want to, you wanta both of us to
lay it so the Suns.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
My staff just sent this so we knew the Sons
didn't have a great bench. It's horrific. It's twenty ninth
in bench scoring.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I thought that they're one of the worst teams in
the fourth quarter in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
How how are you with Booker and KD How is
that possible? Set when everybody was when everybody was on
this Katie's better than Lebron thing, which I thought was
this nonsense. Where Lebron is really foundational is his basketball IQ.
How he creates shots for others When when you were
when you watch Laker games, Lebron is orchestrating it. He's
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the maestro. He's already. Kg's just making shots and he's
a great shot mate. He's just making shots.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
I need more from him. I'm sorry, sorry, Kate, I
love KD. I need more. I need leadership. You could
just go out and say I'm gonna make shots and
play defense and pick up some assists.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
That that's not enough. Final story. Let's go to a
real leader. Oh luka Doncic, that's a real leader for you.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Colin thirty nine point triple double last night. MAVs one
of the hottest teams in the league. They've won fifteen
of seventeen.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
They're kind of I think Luca's game is kind of boring.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Oh stop it, stop it. I mean, I will not
take the lucaslanders. He does make five.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
He doesn't even be jump.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
He is insane. Look at that just float? How people up?
They can't hang. Nobody can stop this guy. They are
locked in. It looks like to the five.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
I think it's ninety six percent to be the fifth
seed according to ESPN, and they look like they're gonna
play the Clips in the first round.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Now they faced him twice. Luca pushed him hard both
times but lost. He was young.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Now he's got Kyrie. We don't know what's up with kawhi'snee.
I am going all in. I'm taking MAVs in this series.
I don't care if Kawai shows up.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I cannot wait for the Western Conference playoffs. You think
the semifinals men's and women's basketball is good, some of
this stuff is crazy. These matchups are gonna be crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
So you know, I'm the hugest Curry fan ever. See,
I'm a big code for it. Had him on my podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
First and Austin Reeves last night.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I did, I did. He had six threes and didn't
miss any. Listen, I love her.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Lucas my second favorite player in the NBA, and the
guy is just magic.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
You like guys that shoot a lot.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Because I'm a I'm a gunner.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
By the way, Men's league season starting up, suit got
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Speaker 3 (27:22):
I know you care.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
J Mack with the News, Well.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
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Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah it is. Luca's game is not scintillating. He's just
a great shooter, but he slides. He doesn't really jump.
It's just it's all elbows and leaning back and jump shot.
I don't think he's not to me like like Michael was.
The two players in my lifetime that you could not
take your eyes off of were Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson.
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Magic Johnson was so fun and different, and I mean
every fast break felt wild. Every fast break, Magic and
Michael were met. Larry Bird was great, could be clever,
but it wasn't magical. Lebron is great, It's not always magical.
He's just a force of talent. Shack was a lot
of fun. You couldn't take your eyes off Shack. Luca's
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just a score.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
So the two best players in the league, Jokis and
Luca are not boring.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I love because of his passing. I love Jokic's game,
but they're not scintillating. Tim Duncan was great. He didn't
jump off the screen. He was just great. Karl Malone's game,
John Stockton's game, you can be great and not fascinating.
The Alabama Crimson Tide dynasty was not fascinating. It was
just powerful. Usc The Miami Heat that was Kansas City
(28:42):
Chiefs with Mahomes and Andy Reid's play calling that is dynamic,
and so Luca is just great, not every great player.
I can't take my eyes.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Off Lucas second in the league in assists nine point
eight per game.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
When you have the ball in your hands the entire game,
you get assists. Stephan Marbury got a lot of assists.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Westbrook get brutal NBA playoffs for you if you keep
knocking down Luca and Jason Tatum, because I think they're.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Gonna meet in the finals. I'm going to go Boston Dallas.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
That's mine in the finals.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, and if that happens, you're gonna be just so disappointed.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
No, you don't love those guys, like, no, no, no, no,
because I'm getting I'm getting offensive stars, I'm getting Kyrie,
Luca Tatum, Porzingis. By the way, I read a story
on Porzingis this morning. It's a fascinating story. So Porzingis,
Remember he bounced around, Nobody liked him, and then all
of a sudden, basically you know, Dallas moved off him
and they figured out something about Porzingis. The more he
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dribbled down low, the worse. The longer he dribbled, the
more dribbles they count that stuff the worse the possession was.
So Porzingis went to his trainers and his basketball guys
and reshaped his game. He stopped dribbling as much down low.
He took out about fifty percent of his game and
rebooted his game, and the Celtics noticed in DC. Nobody
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else paid attention, but Boston's like he's a different play
He's rebooted his game, and a lot of people struggle
to adapt. You know, Mello used to say, my game
is my game. It's like Mello hit threes and Mellow
stubbornly like, my game is my game. So Porzingis just
rebooted it and went to analytics and his basketball people
and took out a lot of things he was doing
that were the antithesis of They didn't elevate his game.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
They stopped it. He wasn't efficient.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And now you watch Porzingis and you're like, okay, this
is the unicorn, like he is really a good player.
Adapt or die right, Well, I mean I like stories
like that. I like that Porzingis had money, he was famous,
and he went out there and just said, hey man,
I want to By the way, this is one of
the things Lebron was willing to do. Lebron was willing.
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I remember Lebron early was a freight train, but he
didn't wasn't much of a shooter. And then Lebron kind
of figured it out before he went to Miami. He
started shooting more and more and more threes and staying
away from the box. He wanted to be out on
the break defend. He moved his game out side more regularly,
and he was ahead of the league. Now, he's never
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going to be Steph the shooter or Luca the shooter,
but Lebron was ahead of the league. The porzingis is
fascinating because he was always talented. He was like the
first Unicorn. He was like chet Holmgren and Wenby before
those guys. But then all of a sudden he kind
of bounced around the league and nobody liked him and
he wasn't good. And now you watch him and you're like,
he's the third best player on that team. He is
a two on almost every team in the league, and
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on a couple he's a one. If he's on Washington,
he was a one.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
What is he on Boston?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Probably a three?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well, what's Dalan Brown a two? So Drew Holliday's a four.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That's why they're a championship team. Wow, well that's why Boston.
I mean, Derek White's a five. Derek averages sixteen a game. Yeah,
I think so, Boston's the deepest team in the league.
By fall.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
They got like three two a's basically.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I mean Tatum's a one, Brown's a two, Porzingis is
a great three, and Drew Holliday is a three A
or a four. And Derek White's the best five by
far in the league. That's why Boston's gonna be in
the final easily.
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Speaker 5 (33:14):
Well, Coach Ryan Day and the Buckeyes begin a pivotal
season and look to rise to the top of college
football once again.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
It all kicks off at noon Eastern.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
On Box.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Can we have an adult Conversation? Cooper Rush and Trey
Lance are not franchise quarterbacks. They are backups, That's what
they are. You're not gonna go up against Mahomes and
Jared Goff and Jordan Love, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, c
J Strout with Trey Lance Cooper rush their backups. That's fine.
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They can make seven figures, great life. So the Cowboys,
according to Adam Schefter, are a sleeper team to draft
a quarterback high in this draft. Of course they should.
This is the last year, potentially of Dak Prescott. The
Patriots did this regularly when Tom Brady was the best
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quarterback in the world. Bo Nicks and Michael Pennix, according
to mel Kuiper's mock draft, will not be picked in
the first round, meaning Dallas at twenty four could draft
both or either right like they could if Pennix is
there or Knicks is there, you know they take either
of those guys. I would the best current quarterback organization
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in the league, and they've been good forever. The Green
Bay Packers. They did it with Aaron and they did
it with Jordan Love. They drafted him and sat them
for three years. They actually had a plan. Doesn't it
feel like Dallas really doesn't. You don't have to do this.
You could be the Pittsburgh Steelers who coddled Big Ben
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and then by the time he decides to go, they
only had Mason Rudolph a backup on the roster and
had to reach in a weak quarterback class for Kenny Pickett,
who they've now moved off of. What do you want
to be? The Packers are the Steelers. They're both big brands.
One is much less relevant. Green Bays remains viable and
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relevant every single year because they have a plan. Kansas
City did this. Alex Smith was making Pro Bowls. They
got Mahomes, Joe Flacco, he's still in the league. They
draft in Baltimore Lamar Jackson. So it's obvious to me
if bo Nicks or Pennix is available, draft them. If
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you're an adult, it's okay. Dack will be fine. He
doesn't need to be coddled. But what is your plan?
You're gonna have to pay CD. There's stories now, Mica
is wearing people out. You know, sometimes I wonder that
Micah's story has been underplayed by the national media and
the Cowboys stories are almost never underplayed, but some gets
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out when people want it out. Why is the story
getting out about Micah Parsons with lots of details that
he's wearing people out. Somebody wants that story out? Is
it the Cowboys that want it out because they know
the league is pivoting to an offensive league it has
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and they know they've got to pay Dak and Ceedee
Lamb and they don't want to pay Micah, and so
they're gonna move Micah and get picks and pay somebody
else on the offensive side. Which, by the way, I
said two days ago when that rumor leaked out, TJ.
Watt and Miles Garrett, where are their playoff wins? If
you're telling me I got to add a great left tackle,
another weapon, I would do that over even a great
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pass rusher. I wouldn't have done it with Aaron Donald,
Reggie Whiter, Lawrence Taylor in their prime. But that's not
Micah Parsons. He's not at that level. He's been inconsistent
in some big games. So it's a I would draft.
I would absolutely with that first round, twenty fourth pick.
I would draft a quarterback. I would. I mean, you
also need another wide receiver. You can get that later
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in the draft. It is once again a great wide receiver.
Draft you can get a tackle later in the draft.
It's a great tackle draft. Those quarterbacks are all gone,
but the second round pick for Dallas, they're all gone.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Sorry I thought I misheard you.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
So the Cabs have won twelve games three years in
a row, and they're drafting twenty fourth. They are a
contender to get to the Super Bowl in the NFC
They have been for the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
And you wanted to take a quarterback at twenty four?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Was Green Bay not a Super Bowl contender when they
took Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Interesting? How did Aaron Love? How did Aaron Rodgers take
that news?
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Who gives a rip?
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Exactly?
Speaker 5 (37:41):
He hated it and he was the MVP of the league.
And they went to anticuny lacked.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
They're immediately viable the very next year, and when Rogers left,
they were viable by the second year. Or do you
want to be the Pittsburgh Steelers now who are crossing
their fingers on a really cheap Russell Wilson Justin Fields
is worth more than a six round pick. How are
the Cowboys contenders for the Super Bowl? I don't have
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them anywhere in my top eight in terms of well
again again. I think they're a good football team. But
Green Bay and Detroit have much better rosters. Kansas City
is a better organization. Lamar is a better quarterback, so
is Josh. I'm not saying Dallas isn't good. I'm not
saying that they're a good team. I shouldn't say I
don't have them anywhere my top ten.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Were they the number two seed in the NFC last
year two or three?
Speaker 5 (38:29):
I mean they hosted a playoff game. I'm gonna look
up the Super Bowl betting.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Odds, and then they were blown out at home by
the youngest team in the NFL in the playoffs since
the seventy Buffalo Bills. In you remember how the season ended,
they were humiliated at home by Green Bay with a
bunch of three second year players.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Bad loss, super Bowl odds. Because you said you don't
have the Cowboys in what you're.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Just let me restate that I don't view the Cowboys
in my Super Bowl bubble, which I put eight teams
every year in that I do not have the Cowboys
in that. Absolutely not interesting.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
So in the NFC, the Niners are ahead, the Lions
are ahead, the Eagles are ahead. I don't know you
do have the Eagles ahead of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think, well, Saquon Barkley was a good get, come.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
On running backs, and then the Cowboys are Actually, I'm sorry,
Cowboys are tied with the Eagles of PLUS seventeen hundred,
ahead of your beloved Green Bay Packers at plus.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Vegas makes big mistakes. They made one with the Rams
last year. Okay, so I mean Vegas makes mistakes. Otherwise
you and I wouldn't hit on fifty seven percent of
our picks every year.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
So you're telling me, do you have Dallas top four
in the NFC?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I think San Francisco in no order. San Francisco, I trust, more, Philly,
San Francisco, Rams, Green Bay, Detroit's my top five.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
So Dallas would be six, and I would say.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Wow, keep your eye on the Sam Darnold Viking.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Oh, stop it seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
We keep your eye on Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
You're like they got Kirk Cousins. Oh, Atlanta, keep an eye.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Dallas has won twelve.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Games three years in a row in a bad division
where they dominate Washington.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
The bad division.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
He goes in the Super Bowl, when when you go
four and oh every year in Division over Washington and
the Giant Turkey.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Two years ago, the Giants made the playoffs. They had
three teams from that division. You can't just keep crapping on.
I'm not gonna let you do that. The Cowboys are
not that bad.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I'm not saying they're bad. I'm saying they're not Super
Bowl viable. I'm not saying they're bad. And I'm also saying,
twenty fourth pick, who would you get? That's no man's
land for drafting. Nobody wants to draft late first round.
The idea you know who went late first round, Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Okay, we should do like a Jordan Love a mock
draft room for the Cowboys at twenty four where you
and I just spitball for like seven minutes on names
and positions and it could be fun depth chart.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Nobody wants to draft twenty fourth. It means you were
good the following year, but everybody would rather because you
don't want to pay a first round number for a
second round talent. But I can get a quarterback at
twenty four. There have been a lot of great quarterbacks
late in the first round, a lot of em Our
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J McK and I went to the Warriors Lakers game
last night. Now, my binoculars can't see that far away.
I was very close to the Lakers huddle, mesmerized by
the brilliance of Lebron James Ad sat out. I'll tell
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you what. Between the Lakers not shooting well and the
Warriors shooting well, it was not a night for Ad
to take off the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Can you even take away a lot from this game?
Warriors I think set a record. It was like the
greatest three points us to night in the history of.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
The sport, according to some of the stats. I don't
know what to take away from it. No, ad though
is bleep for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, here's what I took away from it. So Klay
Thompson wants to stay with the Warriors, but Orlando is
gonna pay him a lot of money. A young team
that needs a shooter, the question is how much can
you pay him? Well, Joe lacub, the owner, through the years,
has kept his guys together, but Klay Thompson has looked
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in playoff action like he's washed. It's looked like it.
But if you notice, sometimes coaches send messages upstairs to
the owner, not verbal messages, more subtle messages. And I
watched that game last night. Not a lot you can
take out of it. A D is not there. Warriors
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were crazy hitting threes. But it feels like Steve Kerr
and his staff are running more of the offense through
Clay Thompson, are getting Klay Thompson more minutes, are getting
Klay Thompson more shots, and they're saying to the owner,
Joe Lacob, we need him. He's part of our soul.
The Warriors don't have any size, so they have to
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shoot well to win. Draymond five for five in the
first half on three Steph never missed one. Last night,
Pods was three for three. And the Warriors are not
a good team if they don't hit threes sixteen and
thirty one. They're a great team twenty eight and four
when they shoot over forty percent. And Klay Thompson is
part of that. And they drafted a kid out of
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Santa Clara Pods and he's got more energy than Clay,
but he's not as refined as Clay, and he hasn't
put on all the hours with Draymon in Clay And
I'm watching last night and if you look at the
numbers for Klay Thompson over the last three months, his
usage rate up each month, points up each month, minutes
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up each month. Why is he getting all these opportunities?
Why was he on a Draymond Green podcast? I think
the staff is sending a message kaminga all their young bigs.
They trade those guys tomorrow for a legitimate big time center.
They trade all of them. The core of this franchise
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is Steph, Draymon, Clay and Pods and at times he's
look washed. But they don't have any answers. They can't
beat a Denver. If Ad plays last night, it's a
different ball game. But at their core, Draymond, Steph and
Clay are so good together, create so many shots together.
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This is who they are for the time being, and
everybody on this team has to be ready to play
on Steph's timeline and Draymond's timeline, and Clay can do it.
Nothing against Jonathan Kaminga, but when you watch him live,
he doesn't have a finishing package. He's two or three
years away. He's not on steph timeline. He still needs
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two full seasons to really be a dominant player inside.
He's just athletic, long and twitchy. So I'm watching that
game last night and I don't know what you can
take away from it, but what I did is the
Warriors would give away all their length to get one
legitimate big. It's why I believe they're going to go
after Giannis or a Karl Anthony Towns or whoever. But
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they are getting that ball to Clay. They're running offense
through Clay. He's getting more minute, his usage rate is up,
and there's a reason for it, because this at their core,
this is what they are. They shoot well, they win,
they shoot poorly, they don't and Clay more often than
not shoots well here with Steve Kerr after.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We made you know, a million threes, and so the
ball was going in.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Everybody got going and to shoot whatever, sixty three percent
from three, that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
We always try to shoot the lights out. Doesn't always happen.
Now as far as the Lakers go, Anthony Davis didn't play,
and so Anthony Davis, whenever you have a great player,
I used to call, you know, Lebron was the great eraser.
The Miami Heat went to the finals four straight years.
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They had no size, they were a bad rebounding team,
no true center, they didn't have a true point guard.
Lebron just sort of erased all your issues. He still does,
by the way. But on the Lakers now, the one
player that really has become their best eraser isn't Lebron,
it's Anthony Davis. And when Anthony is out, man, do
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you see the limitations with this roster. So Lebron's on
his eighth or ninth coach in his career based on
the account, interim guys are not eighth or ninth. And
I don't know if he loves Darvin Ham. Darvin Ham's
a defensive coach. He has weird rotations. I mean, if
you don't have Anthony Davis and then you put Austin
Reeves and Lebron at the same time on the bench,
who's shooting, who's creating shots? What do you doing defensive coach?
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So part of Darvin Ham's rotations aren't great, but let's
be fair. This organization is playing catch up since the
Westbrook move didn't work and they moved off Russell Westbrook.
It didn't work, and they got length and they got
some shooting, but they didn't get any shot creators. Austin
Reeves is okay but limited athletically, and D'Angelo Russell sits
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around waiting for you to get him the ball in
a good spot. He's not elevating others. Lebron James last night,
year twenty one, when Anthony Davis is out, is still
by a wide margin the best shot creator either his
own or a teammate on the floor, and it's not close.
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That's why when Darvin Ham without ad takes him out
and Austin Reeves at the same time, it's a head
scratching moment. But this is really the key to this
organization now for years and years, even in the bubble.
It was Lebron's team. They wanted to hand the baton
to Ad the following year, but he came into camp
out of shape. But when you watch the Lakers last night,
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when AD's not there, he's the one that covers up
the holes. So why did the Warriors have such a
great shooting night Because Laker defenders, knowing they don't have
Ad protecting the rim, sag off their shooters and it's
wide open practice jumpers for the Warriors. AD plays, you're
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more aggressive defensively. Warriors don't get the open looks if
they beat their man off the dribble, Ad snuffs them
at the tin. So it is no longer Lebron. AD
is their eraser. He changes their entire defensive mindset. Lebron
doesn't have to be solely the shot creator. You can
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just dump it down load to Ad. He'll get stuff
off the glass or create his own shot. But I mean,
it's pretty obvious, and Draymond Green spotted it. You take
a d out all the holes, all the realities. Every
roster has realities in this league, including Denver. Boston's about
the only roster in the league that is deep talented,
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and there's no holes in it. Boston doesn't really have
a hole. Denver's got a hole. It's called their bench.
But you take a d out man, can you see
the holes on this Laker roster? And Draymond talked about
it after.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
It's different when it's Ad out there because you know
that covers. He cover up so many mistakes or you
know you can find things to him, so it's totally
different look when he's not on the floor.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, by the way, we were both at that game
last night. It is interesting to watch this Warrior team
for them to pivot to a championship team because they're
not a championship team. Now they're going to play their
way in hopefully to the playoffs, but they're not a
championship team. I don't think the Lakers are either, but
I think they're closer because of their size and the
matchup better with Denver. But if you're gonna pivot to
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a championship team, it's pretty obvious to me the four
guys you'd have to keep, Steph, Clay, Pods and Draymond.
You can move off your bigs and get another big.
Wiggins is really not part of the fabric he can
give you nights occasionally, but I was struck last night,
and I've noticed it over the last two months, the
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usage rate of Clay, the minutes for Clay, the shots
for Clay. It feels like to me, Kerr is making
he's making sure the guy's upstair notes because they're the
one that cut the check. They're gonna have to overpay
Clay relative to his current status. They're not gonna pay
Orlando money, but Kerr is trying to nudge him into
the you gotta pay some money because this is who
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we are. For the record, have you noticed how good
the Warriors now are as a road team. That's another
thing Steve Kerr realizes is that Clay's maturity on the road.
They got Jordan pulled out. Last year, the Warriors were
the worst road team outside of Houston in the league.
They're now one of the best road teams in the league. Why.
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That's another thing Kerr is saying. Remember Kerr defended Draymond
after the punch, because Kerr knows Kerr is defending Clay
Thompson in the last couple of months. He didn't have
to say it. He's showing it by his coaching. This
team now is a great road team. Why Steph Clay,
Draymond the Soul Pods, by the way, is a very
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good player. He's got great energy, but he just needs
more reps. He needs another year or two.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I don't I would be careful to read too much
into an early April victory when the Lakers were missing.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well regular season and Sunday men.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Here's the problem.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
What happens if you go to the play in and
you're the Warriors and you lose. AD's there and the
Warriors lose and the season's over, they don't get to
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Then what then is this? Keep four guys still in play?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I don't I think you have to.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You're not competing for a title. If Kaminga is is
somebody you're relying.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
On, you're not competing for a title of Clay and
Draymond and Pods and Curry or your big four.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You could make a pivot. I mean, you put Yannis
on this team with those four, You're.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Not keeping Pods if you're bringing Giannis, I mean, come on,
you gotta give up something.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You're giving up Kaminga. You're giving up You're giving up
all your draft gays Come.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
On, Bucks, aren't takens kminga in a poo poop platter
for yannas. Come on, man, I don't know the Darvin
Ham stuff. I think you might have buried the lead.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
There is Lebron gonna be on his tenth coach.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Guys, what are the chance of Darvan Ham's back next year?
Let's just go seventy seventy back or yeah, he's real guy.
Everybody bangs on Darvin Ham.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Well wait a minute, hold on pulling leaves and Lebron
and the Warriors going to fifteen to three running the game.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
The game was over in the first half. The Lakers
were not winning.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That game in four or five, six in the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, and then the next time down they were down nine.
I mean that game was never in doubt.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I don't know Darvin am is wearing thin on me now.
I'm not gonna overreact, no, Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Don't you notice though that people talk about rotations a
lot fans in media do when you have holes in
your team and you want him to just play Lebron
the whole game. Lebron's in your twenty one, you have
to give him rest. He was the first guy off
By the way, he was the first guy in the
first quarter that checked out.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yeah, he's coming off the illness, the flu, you know,
over the weekend, and I'm feeling good.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Little head cold.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
You guys are who were you more worried about heading
into the play in, the Warriors or the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
The Warriors, I'm not worried about. They just have realities
due to their lack of size. Kaminga's not a polished player.
He has no finishing package at the rim.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
He's just about TJD. Last night he bouncy.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
He's fine, but again, he's not finishing at the rim.
These are kids. Jokich isnt a kid, Karl Anthony Town's
Rudy Gobert, these aren't kids. They're gonna get old. Sabona
and you know you're not. Those Clippers are all old guys.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
It's weird to think one of those two teams we
saw last night is going to be not in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Well, I was thinking about this my takeaway last night
on the NBA how good are the Western Conference playoffs
going to be tough? Thank god Embiid came back, or
the Celtics may just sweep their way to the finals.
At least they could push him back a little.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
I think the Celtics may be looking at a twelve
and zero in the Eastern confer Honestly, it's that bleak.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
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Speaker 1 (13:39):
As we near the draft in a couple of weeks,
we've officially hit the point of the draft where we
are finding flaws that I'm not sure exist. Caleb Williams
will go number one. The USC quarterback will go to
the Chicago Bears. We all know that Greg McElroy, a friend,
I know him, I like him, but was critical of
Caleb Williams a couple of days ago, saying he faced
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any real adversity. Caleb Williams fired back, listing five or
six different things he had faced at his USC career
in Oklahoma career, illustrating some of the adversity he has faced.
I like Greg McElroy, but I will say this, did
he watch usse's offensive line the last two years? Its
nickname was adversity? There was only one way the last
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two years to win at USC shootout. They allowed forty
nine points to col I don't even know how that's possible.
In the PAC twelve, the truth was the roster was
sixty five percent seventy percent transfers. He didn't know half
these players. USC's defense was not only bad, it was
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the one hundred and twenty first ranked out of one
hundred and thirty three in Division one. It was the
worst total defense and the worst scoring defense in USC
school history. Caleb Williams felt like the mom who has
four kids, the husband leaves her, won't pay child support,
She gets three jobs, and now all of a sudden,
people say, you know, she's been a little moody lately.
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Why she always so tired? I don't know circumstances. If
you watch Caleb Williams the last two years, bad offensive lines,
average running back, tight end, wide receiver talent outside of
maybe Brendan Rice and Jordan Addison. An atrocious defense, the
worst in school history. As the PAC twelve last year
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may have been as good as it's been for twenty years.
I don't know what qualifies as adversity, but the idea
that KYLEB. Williams came to USC and it went just
as planned, that's actually the opposite of what happened. It
was really good for about eight or nine games and
then went sideways fast due to a lack of personnel,
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coaching on the defensive side, and just chaos within the program.
Let's not pretend stuff that doesn't exist exists. There's enough
flaws out there for the young players. Johnny Manziel was
on Skip Show this morning and talked about Caleb's transition
and his style from college to the NFL.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
You can't play the same college game forever. As anybody
comes to the NFL. It doesn't matter if it's Lamar
or Kyler, any of these guys who come in who
are really good on the unscripted side of things. You know,
he's going to have to come into a system and
play within a system. What I hope for Caleb is
that he gets somewhere that unlocks all of this, somewhere
that can bring this side out in him, because these
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are plays that you can't teach, you can't coach, and
that are just natural to who he is as a
football player.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, but he has essentially had to overcome coaching defense circumstances.
You can YouTube some of this stuff. I think he
had won maybe two bad habs at USC in two years,
and that was about it. Jmack with a news no,
no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You know we don't traffic in bad takes here, but
that McElroy take was awful for a guy who's super smart, right,
Remember he was a college academic All American and almost
as the wonder Lick.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
That was one of the weakest takes I'd heard on.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Kims Well, USC has been a circus the last year
and a half.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Did you not watch college football?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Like KILB Williams going to throw a ton of adversity
almost every year? I just I was disappointed. Anyways, let's
start with the NFL draft. Teams are looking up their
boards valuing prospects, and.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Colin Albert Preer interviewed an.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Anonymous NFL coach who has Michael pennockx Junior as the
second best quarterback available, adding he's a stud of born later,
calm and collected stands in the pocket. Let's plays develop
just a winner. We watch a lot of college football
in these parts. Yeah, I'm sorry, you can't convince me
that Jayden Daniels was a better quarterback last year than
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Michael Pennox. I know the pro prospects are different, but well,
this take does not shock me that Pennix is the
second best quarterback according to.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I think he throws the best ball. He also a
great coach at great OC two NFL offensive lineman, three
NFL receivers in a conference known for offense over defense.
So I like Michael Pennocks a lot. I think he
throws beautiful ball. The knock on him, I don't think
he's a Sean Payton quarterback necessarily. The knock on him
has been teams like Michigan faced him and said throw
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over the middle, throw underneath. He doesn't do that. To that,
I would say, I'd rather have to teach a guy
the underneath stuff than the ability to see and throw
down the field. So I think depending on where he lands,
and I think I've told you this, I think Caleb
Williams will be productive week one. The rest of these
quarterbacks will be as good as where they land. I think, though,
he throws a much better ball than guys I like
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Bo Nicks, better than JJ McCarthy, better than Drake May.
I think he throws a beautiful ball.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
So I'm looking up the list of left handed quarterbacks
in the NFL, and there just aren't many.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Of Steve Young, Mark Brunell.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I'm talking about currently, like right right now.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
And so you look at some of these teams and
the coaches like drafting a lift in a quarterbacks not
just plug and play. You gotta flip a lot of stuff,
make sure the offensive line is in right shape. Because
the Miami Dolphins coaches talked about this about having a
left handed quarterback.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
It changes a lot of things in the offense.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Well, couldn't Miami argue with Tua being a.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Left e that's to me, that's the best spots.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, I don't think that's a bad call. That's not
a bad take. I think I think Miami because his
comp is that he is a bigger Tua. He's had
college injuries like Tua. Left hander like Tua. He throws
a better deep ball. He's a stronger athlete and a
stronger arm than Tua. Like Tua. He can move, but
you wouldn't call him like Agile or or he's you know,
he's not gonna run around like c. J. Stroud. He
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can move, but that's not his game. Herbert, same thing.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It's just a plug and play you put Pennington.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Now, this is where it gets interesting, Colin, what's going
on with the two extension rookie contract? You're waiting for
that second We've been hearing for a couple months now.
I think this was like starting in February, Dolphins moved off.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
A lot of guys. What's going on in Miami?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Are they waiting for another quarterback to get his extension
first and see where to of Fall's I don't know
what the answer is, but I certainly think Michael Pennock
should be in play for I think that's the best
fit without for me, maybe best fit of any quarterback
in this in the draft.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I don't think that's terrible. I think, yeah, I think
I think Caleb's gonna fit anywhere, But I don't. I
don't think that's terrible. I think Michael Pennock's in Miami's
are really good fit. Now, I think I don't know
if they take him. I think bow Nicks works with
Sean Payton. I think he's I think he reminds me
of a young Drew Brees. Accurate, moves, well, heady, kidd
reads the field. That's what he reminds me of.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
So where does Jadon Daniels.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Think.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I think he's going to to Washington because Cliff Kingsbury's
had several quarterbacks that play like Jaden. So I'm told,
I am told this morning, and I was told over
the weekend that Washington and Jaden Daniels as of now
that's the pick.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Don't love it for my Washington.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
If a quarterback is going to drop in this draft,
one you he does every couple of years. Us Drake May,
Drake May.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Okay, so just remember, we'll move on.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
We don't have to move on.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
He was like October and there Caleb was struggling, and
you start to hear the chatter, ooh, could Drake May
catch him? Because Caleb is really struggling, and the Notre
Dame game, and now all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Two weeks before the draft, Drake May's falling.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well that just feels well, well, what happened is Drake May.
The initial comp is wow, it looks like justin Herbert,
and then over two months all the scouts start pouring
over film. Then he doesn't have a great pro day,
misses on like simple stuff and everything is something, nothing
is everything. There's been a lot of something's something that
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have not been for Drake May. The more you pour
over film, why did he have a bad final year?
Not as good? When you pour over stuff? Why didn't
you have a very good combine? He's not a natural
easy thrower like he's he look, he's the size and
plays a little like Herbert. He's not quite as mechanical
as Herbert. But he's also not as consistently accurate as Herbert.
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And I think as you pour it's like a resume.
It's like when you're interviewing somebody for a job. If
I had to make a big, huge hire and you
see somebody's resume, it's like wow. And then you make
two calls and you hear something you don't love, and
then you interview him once and you're like kind of
like if you interview him a second time, and you're
like red flag. The further and the deeper you dig,
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sometimes you get little bits of information that you don't like.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Okay, fairenough. I'm not gonna argue on it.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I'll just say this, if Washington takes Daniels over May,
they'll regret it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Just file that away, Wessel, clip that off.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Anyways, Next up, how about this last night Colin, I
knew we were at the Lakers game, but what about
the Phoenix Suns. I looked at my phone and saw
this score. The Suns were down thirty five to four.
Oh my god, in the first quarter at home against
the Paper thirty five to four. James Harden did not play,
Kawhi Leonard did not play, and it was thirty five
to four. I'm not making the score up. They ended
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up with ten first quarter points. They trailed their as
many as thirty seven points. The Sunder now the seventh seed,
and they had all this.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
What a disappointment.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Bal Booker. Booker was one of eleven kd played.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
This was at home, now, I haven't I didn't talk
to my couple of Phoenix Suns people that I know,
but I gotta imagine they are starting to get a
little nervous there about that.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I'm gonna be honest with you. I did not watch
this because I was at the Laker game. Thirty five
to four at home. Yeah, I've never heard of anything on.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Two of their three best players were out, Harden and Kawhi.
But what did you not try? Now they play again tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Colin was wrong on this.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I'm not a buit.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I thought they were gonna end up number two in
the West, so.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I thought they were gonna Yeah, I'm not gonna say it.
I thought they were gonna win the championship. For Bradley Beal,
I was like, Oh, they're gonna win the West, So.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I mean what. So here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
We both liked him.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I did think that the criticism of the bench was
was fair. Bradley Beal's not as healthy as I would
have hoped. But what is the primary reason why these
talented guys? Does this go back to what KD is,
which is a great shot maker. He's not a leader.
He's not a tour to force personality.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Who's your alpha in the huddle in Phoenix? I don't
think it's Booker. I like Booker a lot. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Last night when you go to the Laker game, I'm
sitting there walking by the Warriors bench and Draymond Green
is literally with Steve Kerr talking, barking, instructing. It's like,
that's leadership. And KD didn't know what's like the way
Draymond led. But Dramon has taking a team with no
bigs and a bunch of kids and they're viable. I
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mean this, this Phoenix thing, This has been a disappointment.
Frank Vogel, by the way, not a good day in
Arizona yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Oh boy, oh oh oh wow, you went there.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Bad day in Arizona.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I'm not a bit I can't believe you with it.
I'm not a big gambler on NBA in the regular season.
But the Suns play the Clippers tonight here in.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
First quarter. The Suns had better come out with their
hair on fire.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
And you gotta assume they're gonna exact some revenge first quarter.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Bet you want to, you wanta both of us to
lay it so the Suns.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
My staff just sent this so we knew the Sons
didn't have a great bench. It's horrific. It's twenty ninth
in bench scoring.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I thought that they're one of the worst teams in
the fourth quarter in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
How how are you with Booker and KD How is
that possible? Set when everybody was when everybody was on
this Katie's better than Lebron thing, which I thought was
this nonsense. Where Lebron is really foundational is his basketball IQ.
How he creates shots for others When when you were
when you watch Laker games, Lebron is orchestrating it. He's
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the maestro. He's already. Kg's just making shots and he's
a great shot mate. He's just making shots.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
I need more from him. I'm sorry, sorry, Kate, I
love KD. I need more. I need leadership. You could
just go out and say I'm gonna make shots and
play defense and pick up some assists.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
That that's not enough. Final story. Let's go to a
real leader. Oh luka Doncic, that's a real leader for you.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Colin thirty nine point triple double last night. MAVs one
of the hottest teams in the league. They've won fifteen
of seventeen.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
They're kind of I think Luca's game is kind of boring.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Oh stop it, stop it. I mean, I will not
take the lucaslanders. He does make five.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
He doesn't even be jump.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
He is insane. Look at that just float? How people up?
They can't hang. Nobody can stop this guy. They are
locked in. It looks like to the five.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
I think it's ninety six percent to be the fifth
seed according to ESPN, and they look like they're gonna
play the Clips in the first round.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Now they faced him twice. Luca pushed him hard both
times but lost. He was young.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Now he's got Kyrie. We don't know what's up with kawhi'snee.
I am going all in. I'm taking MAVs in this series.
I don't care if Kawai shows up.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I cannot wait for the Western Conference playoffs. You think
the semifinals men's and women's basketball is good, some of
this stuff is crazy. These matchups are gonna be crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
So you know, I'm the hugest Curry fan ever. See,
I'm a big code for it. Had him on my podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
First and Austin Reeves last night.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I did, I did. He had six threes and didn't
miss any. Listen, I love her.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Lucas my second favorite player in the NBA, and the
guy is just magic.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
You like guys that shoot a lot.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Because I'm a I'm a gunner.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
By the way, Men's league season starting up, suit got
some new recruits.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I know you care.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
J Mack with the News, Well.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah it is. Luca's game is not scintillating. He's just
a great shooter, but he slides. He doesn't really jump.
It's just it's all elbows and leaning back and jump shot.
I don't think he's not to me like like Michael was.
The two players in my lifetime that you could not
take your eyes off of were Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson.
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Magic Johnson was so fun and different, and I mean
every fast break felt wild. Every fast break, Magic and
Michael were met. Larry Bird was great, could be clever,
but it wasn't magical. Lebron is great, It's not always magical.
He's just a force of talent. Shack was a lot
of fun. You couldn't take your eyes off Shack. Luca's
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just a score.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
So the two best players in the league, Jokis and
Luca are not boring.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I love because of his passing. I love Jokic's game,
but they're not scintillating. Tim Duncan was great. He didn't
jump off the screen. He was just great. Karl Malone's game,
John Stockton's game, you can be great and not fascinating.
The Alabama Crimson Tide dynasty was not fascinating. It was
just powerful. Usc The Miami Heat that was Kansas City
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Chiefs with Mahomes and Andy Reid's play calling that is dynamic,
and so Luca is just great, not every great player.
I can't take my eyes.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Off Lucas second in the league in assists nine point
eight per game.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
When you have the ball in your hands the entire game,
you get assists. Stephan Marbury got a lot of assists.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Westbrook get brutal NBA playoffs for you if you keep
knocking down Luca and Jason Tatum, because I think they're.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Gonna meet in the finals. I'm going to go Boston Dallas.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
That's mine in the finals.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, and if that happens, you're gonna be just so disappointed.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
No, you don't love those guys, like, no, no, no, no,
because I'm getting I'm getting offensive stars, I'm getting Kyrie,
Luca Tatum, Porzingis. By the way, I read a story
on Porzingis this morning. It's a fascinating story. So Porzingis,
Remember he bounced around, Nobody liked him, and then all
of a sudden, basically you know, Dallas moved off him
and they figured out something about Porzingis. The more he
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dribbled down low, the worse. The longer he dribbled, the
more dribbles they count that stuff the worse the possession was.
So Porzingis went to his trainers and his basketball guys
and reshaped his game. He stopped dribbling as much down low.
He took out about fifty percent of his game and
rebooted his game, and the Celtics noticed in DC. Nobody
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else paid attention, but Boston's like he's a different play
He's rebooted his game, and a lot of people struggle
to adapt. You know, Mello used to say, my game
is my game. It's like Mello hit threes and Mellow
stubbornly like, my game is my game. So Porzingis just
rebooted it and went to analytics and his basketball people
and took out a lot of things he was doing
that were the antithesis of They didn't elevate his game.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
They stopped it. He wasn't efficient.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And now you watch Porzingis and you're like, okay, this
is the unicorn, like he is really a good player.
Adapt or die right, Well, I mean I like stories
like that. I like that Porzingis had money, he was famous,
and he went out there and just said, hey man,
I want to By the way, this is one of
the things Lebron was willing to do. Lebron was willing.
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I remember Lebron early was a freight train, but he
didn't wasn't much of a shooter. And then Lebron kind
of figured it out before he went to Miami. He
started shooting more and more and more threes and staying
away from the box. He wanted to be out on
the break defend. He moved his game out side more regularly,
and he was ahead of the league. Now, he's never
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going to be Steph the shooter or Luca the shooter,
but Lebron was ahead of the league. The porzingis is
fascinating because he was always talented. He was like the
first Unicorn. He was like chet Holmgren and Wenby before
those guys. But then all of a sudden he kind
of bounced around the league and nobody liked him and
he wasn't good. And now you watch him and you're like,
he's the third best player on that team. He is
a two on almost every team in the league, and
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on a couple he's a one. If he's on Washington,
he was a one.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
What is he on Boston?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Probably a three?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well, what's Dalan Brown a two? So Drew Holliday's a four.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That's why they're a championship team. Wow, well that's why Boston.
I mean, Derek White's a five. Derek averages sixteen a game. Yeah,
I think so, Boston's the deepest team in the league.
By fall.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
They got like three two a's basically.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I mean Tatum's a one, Brown's a two, Porzingis is
a great three, and Drew Holliday is a three A
or a four. And Derek White's the best five by
far in the league. That's why Boston's gonna be in
the final easily.
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Well, Coach Ryan Day and the Buckeyes begin a pivotal
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Speaker 4 (33:23):
On Box.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Can we have an adult Conversation? Cooper Rush and Trey
Lance are not franchise quarterbacks. They are backups, That's what
they are. You're not gonna go up against Mahomes and
Jared Goff and Jordan Love, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, c
J Strout with Trey Lance Cooper rush their backups. That's fine.
(33:48):
They can make seven figures, great life. So the Cowboys,
according to Adam Schefter, are a sleeper team to draft
a quarterback high in this draft. Of course they should.
This is the last year, potentially of Dak Prescott. The
Patriots did this regularly when Tom Brady was the best
(34:10):
quarterback in the world. Bo Nicks and Michael Pennix, according
to mel Kuiper's mock draft, will not be picked in
the first round, meaning Dallas at twenty four could draft
both or either right like they could if Pennix is
there or Knicks is there, you know they take either
of those guys. I would the best current quarterback organization
(34:32):
in the league, and they've been good forever. The Green
Bay Packers. They did it with Aaron and they did
it with Jordan Love. They drafted him and sat them
for three years. They actually had a plan. Doesn't it
feel like Dallas really doesn't. You don't have to do this.
You could be the Pittsburgh Steelers who coddled Big Ben
(34:53):
and then by the time he decides to go, they
only had Mason Rudolph a backup on the roster and
had to reach in a weak quarterback class for Kenny Pickett,
who they've now moved off of. What do you want
to be? The Packers are the Steelers. They're both big brands.
One is much less relevant. Green Bays remains viable and
(35:15):
relevant every single year because they have a plan. Kansas
City did this. Alex Smith was making Pro Bowls. They
got Mahomes, Joe Flacco, he's still in the league. They
draft in Baltimore Lamar Jackson. So it's obvious to me
if bo Nicks or Pennix is available, draft them. If
(35:35):
you're an adult, it's okay. Dack will be fine. He
doesn't need to be coddled. But what is your plan?
You're gonna have to pay CD. There's stories now, Mica
is wearing people out. You know, sometimes I wonder that
Micah's story has been underplayed by the national media and
the Cowboys stories are almost never underplayed, but some gets
(36:00):
out when people want it out. Why is the story
getting out about Micah Parsons with lots of details that
he's wearing people out. Somebody wants that story out? Is
it the Cowboys that want it out because they know
the league is pivoting to an offensive league it has
(36:21):
and they know they've got to pay Dak and Ceedee
Lamb and they don't want to pay Micah, and so
they're gonna move Micah and get picks and pay somebody
else on the offensive side. Which, by the way, I
said two days ago when that rumor leaked out, TJ.
Watt and Miles Garrett, where are their playoff wins? If
you're telling me I got to add a great left tackle,
another weapon, I would do that over even a great
(36:43):
pass rusher. I wouldn't have done it with Aaron Donald,
Reggie Whiter, Lawrence Taylor in their prime. But that's not
Micah Parsons. He's not at that level. He's been inconsistent
in some big games. So it's a I would draft.
I would absolutely with that first round, twenty fourth pick.
I would draft a quarterback. I would. I mean, you
also need another wide receiver. You can get that later
(37:03):
in the draft. It is once again a great wide receiver.
Draft you can get a tackle later in the draft.
It's a great tackle draft. Those quarterbacks are all gone,
but the second round pick for Dallas, they're all gone.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Sorry I thought I misheard you.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
So the Cabs have won twelve games three years in
a row, and they're drafting twenty fourth. They are a
contender to get to the Super Bowl in the NFC
They have been for the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
And you wanted to take a quarterback at twenty four?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Was Green Bay not a Super Bowl contender when they
took Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Interesting? How did Aaron Love? How did Aaron Rodgers take
that news?
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Who gives a rip?
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Exactly?
Speaker 5 (37:41):
He hated it and he was the MVP of the league.
And they went to anticuny lacked.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
They're immediately viable the very next year, and when Rogers left,
they were viable by the second year. Or do you
want to be the Pittsburgh Steelers now who are crossing
their fingers on a really cheap Russell Wilson Justin Fields
is worth more than a six round pick. How are
the Cowboys contenders for the Super Bowl? I don't have
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them anywhere in my top eight in terms of well
again again. I think they're a good football team. But
Green Bay and Detroit have much better rosters. Kansas City
is a better organization. Lamar is a better quarterback, so
is Josh. I'm not saying Dallas isn't good. I'm not
saying that they're a good team. I shouldn't say I
don't have them anywhere my top ten.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Were they the number two seed in the NFC last
year two or three?
Speaker 5 (38:29):
I mean they hosted a playoff game. I'm gonna look
up the Super Bowl betting.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Odds, and then they were blown out at home by
the youngest team in the NFL in the playoffs since
the seventy Buffalo Bills. In you remember how the season ended,
they were humiliated at home by Green Bay with a
bunch of three second year players.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Bad loss, super Bowl odds. Because you said you don't
have the Cowboys in what you're.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Just let me restate that I don't view the Cowboys
in my Super Bowl bubble, which I put eight teams
every year in that I do not have the Cowboys
in that. Absolutely not interesting.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
So in the NFC, the Niners are ahead, the Lions
are ahead, the Eagles are ahead. I don't know you
do have the Eagles ahead of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think, well, Saquon Barkley was a good get, come.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
On running backs, and then the Cowboys are Actually, I'm sorry,
Cowboys are tied with the Eagles of PLUS seventeen hundred,
ahead of your beloved Green Bay Packers at plus.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Vegas makes big mistakes. They made one with the Rams
last year. Okay, so I mean Vegas makes mistakes. Otherwise
you and I wouldn't hit on fifty seven percent of
our picks every year.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
So you're telling me, do you have Dallas top four
in the NFC?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I think San Francisco in no order. San Francisco, I trust, more, Philly,
San Francisco, Rams, Green Bay, Detroit's my top five.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
So Dallas would be six, and I would say.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Wow, keep your eye on the Sam Darnold Viking.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Oh, stop it seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
We keep your eye on Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
You're like they got Kirk Cousins. Oh, Atlanta, keep an eye.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Dallas has won twelve.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Games three years in a row in a bad division
where they dominate Washington.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
The bad division.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
He goes in the Super Bowl, when when you go
four and oh every year in Division over Washington and
the Giant Turkey.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Two years ago, the Giants made the playoffs. They had
three teams from that division. You can't just keep crapping on.
I'm not gonna let you do that. The Cowboys are
not that bad.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I'm not saying they're bad. I'm saying they're not Super
Bowl viable. I'm not saying they're bad. And I'm also saying,
twenty fourth pick, who would you get? That's no man's
land for drafting. Nobody wants to draft late first round.
The idea you know who went late first round, Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Okay, we should do like a Jordan Love a mock
draft room for the Cowboys at twenty four where you
and I just spitball for like seven minutes on names
and positions and it could be fun depth chart.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Nobody wants to draft twenty fourth. It means you were
good the following year, but everybody would rather because you
don't want to pay a first round number for a
second round talent. But I can get a quarterback at
twenty four. There have been a lot of great quarterbacks
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