June 19, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin weighs in on the latest grievances from Aaron Rodgers about his time with the New York Jets - all creations of his own making. Albert Breer joins the show to discuss Rodgers in Pittsburgh, Shedeur Sanders in Cleveland and more stories around the National Football League. Where will Kevin Durant play next year in the NBA, and does he still move the needle?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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two all fired up lives. It is the Herd. Wherever
you may be and however you may be listening, Thanks
for making us part of your day. I got last night,
Jmack somebody, Uh I'm not going to get into names. Oh,
but it's somebody I implicitly trust. It's been a very
(00:44):
good source for me. They used your name. They said, uh,
I got I got some news for you on JJ
McCarthy and I don't think Jmax's gonna love okay.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So I'm just telling you no, no, I know, I
think I know what you're talking about. I I heard
from somebody something similar after I went on my rant.
You know, Minnesota Vikings fans loved it, and then other
people were like, Jmax, slow down, here's what's.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Not out there that you need to know. And I
was like, all right, fine, I heard about it, all.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Right, I'm just j Mack. I'd get ready for a
fourth place. Isn't the worst place.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Let's say, come on listen.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
If he plays and delivers, it's no big deal. But
I do like how people are hitting you up and
referencing me. Man, Wow, I'm really coming.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It was a reference that you were annoying. So it
wasn't the greatest reference. Okay, So I want to say this.
So according to this is good Mark Schlareth, who's at
f S one obviously uh and he is he is
friends with Rogers for the time being. That could you
know who knows the four time MVP. According to Mark
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Slareth often went on a DA tribe with issues with
a Jets organization, and Mark said, Aaron and I had
a conversation when he was with the Jets about how
abysmal their running game was and how schematically it made
no sense. And Mark started the conversation and he said,
Aaron went off for about twenty five minute DIA drive
just on their run game. So I've said this about
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Aaron Rodgers and Kevin Durant love their talent, don't love
their choices. So for Aaron to be upset with the
Jets run game and dysfunction. Bro, you brought in that
Hackett there. The Jets have a fourteen year playoff drought,
longest in North American sports, Canada, US, every league. And
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in December, Aaron Rodgers had a quote. This is not
me saying it, this is Aaron Rodgers. He says, I
didn't do myself any favors with the girls I've dated. Okay,
that's his opinion. I'm not saying that, Okay. So my
take is this goes to the heart of what I've
said about Aaron. I'm not saying he's not smart, and
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I'm not saying and he's not talented like KD. I
don't love his decision making. The Jets have been dysfunctional
for a decade and a half. You chose him. Robert
Salla was on the hot seat, you chose him. Matt
Hackett was a disaster in Denver. You chose him. You
can't blame anybody. And I've argued this the reason Pittsburgh's
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not a great fit. And I'm serious. You think the
Jets are as functional. The Steelers aren't organizationally dysfunctional, but
the Steelers are offensively dysfunctional and have been since Big
Ben's last couple of years. They can't get the offensive
line right. Najee Harris got traded and said they've got
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no plan offensively, So you know it's it's just with Aaron.
I know he's smart, I know he's talented, but there
are times he just lacks an awareness that feels so
obvious to me for a smart guy. Remember what he
said during the season for the Jets. Remember this, anything
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that doesn't have.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Anything to do with winning needs to be assessed. If
you want to be a winning organization, then to put
some position to win championships and be competitive. Everything that
you do matters, and the book that has nothing to
do with winning needs to get out of the building.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I agree. Unfortunately, many of the dramas in the building
were created and teammates asked about it, induced by Aaron
having a weekly hit on a TV show that was
part of it. So Aaron led the league as a
quarterback in non football stuff seeping into the locker room awareness.
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That's why I said I would retire before I go
to the Steelers. They're dysfunctional, not organizationally, not defensively, but
offensively they're dysfunctional. How many ocs can we have musical
chairs offensive line? Just my take. Albert Brewer is now
joining us live Monday Morning Quarterbacks. Let's let's just talk.
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And again, I don't I don't like being always knocking Aaron.
That's why I always say I said this with KD.
I can love your game, not love your choices. Lebron,
I love both, Brady, I love both Peyton Manning. I
love both the choice thing. So let's just talk. The
first couple of weeks Aaron in the building of the Steelers.
What are you hearing? Really good?
Speaker 5 (05:31):
He's got a good rapport with Arthur Smith, which really
was built up since March. He's been in touch with
Smith and Mike Tomlin really pretty consistently throughout now. They
didn't have scheduled check ins, but Aaron was diligent about
staying in touch with them, and they were building an
offense for him. And you know, Arthur Smith had connections
to two of of Aaron Rodgers last three play callers.
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Both Matt Lafleur and Todd Downing worked with Arthur Smith
over the years in Tennessee, so he had relationships he
could put on there. So it's easy to say it
in June, right, but so far, so good, And I
do think that there's a little bit of a nuance
here at Collins used to jump in on what you
said before I came on there, which, like, I think
this is kind of why Aaron picked the Steelers over
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the Giants in the first place. When he went to
the Jets, I think he was being asked to lift
all boats, and I think he probably felt like he
could do it right. You had a really talented core
of young players there, guys like Breist Hall and Garrett
Wilson and Sauce Gardner and Quentinnin Williams and Jermaine Johnson
and Julu Fashan who coming in last year, and the
idea was Aaron's going to come in and he's going
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to push these guys over the edge and we're going
to become a winner because of Aaron. I think the
Giants would have been asking him to do the same
thing with their core guys like Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns,
guys who hadn't won before, Andrew Thomas Neighbors coming in.
That's not what the Steelers are asking. The Steelers are
asking him to jump on a moving train, and even
if the things aren't perfect, there there is something a stab.
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That culture has been in place for almost twenty years now,
and so I think what appealed to Aaron about coming
to Pittsburgh versus what he had to do in New
York last two years is Aaron, just come in here
and play quarterback. That's all we're asking you to do,
you know. And having talked to him a couple of
times last summer about this, I know he was kind
of digging in on I'm more appreciative of just the
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opportunity to go play football. I think the Steelers will
give him the chance to focus on just doing that
and not lifting off everybody around him.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Okay, I said last hour, I was really I was
very much champing and champiing.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Championeering.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's not sure. How do you say that I was
a champion champion ing.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
There?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You go, right, champion ning there, you know? And I
always got a good V plus in English. Sorry, I
butchered out America. So but at the quarterback position. And
I did this with Baker, I did it with Manzel.
I can remember. I've taken my shots at Okay, it's
different I want you to be Jalen Hurts. I want
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you to be Dak, I want you to be Herbert.
I want you on that Wednesday podium. Your job is
to put fires out. You know this. Brady used to
do a Monday hit in Boston radio. You know this,
and all it was. He didn't need the money. It
was to create the narrative for the week so the media,
the aggressive Boston media, couldn't attack. That was Brady's brilliance.
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Big Ben did this in Pittsburgh for a while to
kind of create the narrative of the week. It's very smart.
It's not the end of the world. But between that
legendary draft room which was cringey and one hundred mile
an hour speeding ticket, I'm sorry, Albert, it matters and
it bothers me.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
It is something, yeah, and I think it's the the
issue now is that really if you're the Browns, where
you're looking for Shador Sanders to do from a work
standpoint is come in and operate as if he's the
thirtieth or fortieth or fiftieth guy on the roster, because
that's exactly what he is as a fifth round pick.
He's a guy who's fighting not for their starting job,
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for a job on the team period. And so generally
or tolerance for this sort of stuff with with guys
who are in that position is going to be far
less than it would be with a star player. I
don't think this is the most serious thing in the world,
but it is, you know, an early test of how
he handles it with the team and everything else, and
so I think that's part of it. The other thing is,
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like he is playing from behind here, and look, the
reality is the reason he got less less eleven on
eleven reps than the other quarterbacks, the reason that he
got less first team reps than the other quarterbacks in
the spring is because he had more ground to make up.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
He was behind.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
And that's something you heard consistently from teams ahead of
the draft was this guy, we're a little surprised based
on his background that he's as behind as he as
he is from a football no house endpoint. So he's
already playing catch up behind even Dylan Gabriel, let alone
Kenny Pickett or Joe Flacco. And you're looking for him
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to blend in which he did a nice job of that.
Like he was a worker bee in May and June,
and he did put his head down and go to
work and do the things he needed to do. But again,
like this is a guy you're looking to blend in,
and so this is one of those things where it's like, ah,
that's not great. Now, let's see how he'll react. Again,
It's not something's going to get him kicked off the team,
but it's something you pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Okay. So last night I got a text from somebody
I have a great deal of respect for, and they said,
the JJ McCarthy situation, it is a work in progress.
He is not Bonix, He is not Jayden Daniels. He
is not that that. Those guys came in a lot
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of starts ready to play. They've been in shootouts, they'd
had multiple coordinators, the teams leaned on them, they played
a lot from the hind are in big games. Those guys.
Bon Nix was ready to play, and so was Jayden Daniels.
In my opinion, so was Michael Pennix. But Kirk Cousins
was in Atlanta. Ye I say, I said a couple
of weeks ago, Albert, I love mystery in a true
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crime series. I don't like it with my quarterbacks. What
are you hearing on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Well, I mean the guys you're comparing them with. I
mean Jayden Daniels is a five year college player. Penix
was in college for six, bon Knicks was in college
for five. All those guys had a massive amount of starts.
So it isn't the same thing. There was more of
a learning curve. And you know, I think a piece
of this is, you know, inextricable from reality. Is is
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the injury, you know, and the injury last year and
kind of the after effects of that and how that
affected his whole year and you know, mentally physically, how
he was he handling all of that, the weight loss,
all of that stuff is a part of the mix
when you're talking about where JJ McCarthy was.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Going into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Now, that said, after the season ended, he's been in
there every day, he's doing his best. He's put the
weight back on, and so is he gonna snap his
fingers and be what Jayde Daniels was last year? No,
but that was never the Vikings plan. Anyway, the Vikings
plan was, and this goes back to when Kevin got
there three years ago, was eventually we're gonna reset with
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the young quarterback, and because that young quarterback's on a
rookie contract, we're gonna be able to build aggressively around
the young quarterbacks. That's exactly what they've done after they
elect Kirk Cousins go. Last year, they go and they
bring in Jonathan Grenard and Andrew Van Ginkel and Aaron Jones.
And this year they go and they shore up the
interior of the offensive and defensive lines by bringing in
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Will Fries and Ryan Kelly on offense and Jonathan Allen
on defense. And the whole idea here is we don't
need JJ McCarthy to be a great player.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
We need him to be a bus driver.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
And he drafted in the first round. You eventually need
You're eventually gonna need more from him if you're gonna
give him a second contract. But the here and the now,
the idea is going to be for JJ McCarthy, who
does have town, to come in and keep the train
on the tracks.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
And I think.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
That's the piece of this that people miss sometimes, is
like it's not about getting him to be Patrick Mahomes immediately.
It's about getting him to be the best answer for
a team that won fourteen games a year ago and
has very serious championship aspirations. Can you get him there
by August? I think that's a very realistic thing.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
All right. But for the record, the Lakers sold yesterday,
the Celtics sold recently. Is there an and I'm just sinking,
is there an NFL team? If I said an NFL
team just got sold? Is there anybody you think is
looking to sell in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Like out of nowhere?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
You're saying, well, I mean there's certain that like the
Brown family can't compete financially in Cincinnati. I feel like
they they feel like the that I've got the quarterback
and the stars, but they just can't feel like they
I mean, every star players, it goes, it becomes public.
It's a mess. I mean, the one you've heard the
most about.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
I think this is from a speculation standpoint, just because
they don't say much as Seattle. You know, the death
of Paul Allen obviously, you know, change some things. And
and Jody Allen, his sister, has been in charge, and
she's sort of been a little bit of a mysterious figure.
And because of where that franchise is, you know, and
the amount of wealth. And you know this better than anybody.
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You're from the Pacific Northwest Colin the amount of money
that is in that region of the country, there's always
been that thought that they could cash out. And then
you look at the numbers here and I think that's
probably part of the deal with the Celtics and the
Lakers selling is like the numbers have become so big
now that it's almost impossible for people who own these
teams to ignore. So like if there was one out
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of nowhere, and I think it'd be really tough to
pull that off in the NFL, to have like it's
just completely clandestine team sale that they flew completely under
the radar and boom, it's there. And I think the
Lakers was kind of that way, right, you know, I
think it would be Seattle. I think you're going to
see more of in the coming years. Is what we've
seen over the last year or two, which is pieces
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of teams being sold. You see the Raiders, they're selling
to big money guys like Meldman and Egan Durbin and
Tom Wagner and obviously Brady's part of that now too.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Where that serves two purposes.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
It gives teams an influx of cash, and it also
probably long term lessens the blow from an estate tax standpoint.
I think that's probably what you're going to see a
little bit more of Eagles. Jeffrey Loriie sold pieces of
his team off We've seen some teams sell pieces to
private equity. I think you're going to see more and
more of that. As far as like a whole team
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being sold, like Seattle is the only one that I
can come up with offhand, that strikes me as like
if there was one that was going to kind of
come up a sneak up on people, maybe that would
be the one that will get sold.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, and that's a well run organization that somebody being
themselves a jem. Good seeing you, Albert Burwersolo's Money Morning quarterback.
Thanks man, all right, thanks going, And just to give
you a sense of how valuable ownership is, look at
the exit of Dan Snyder and the entrance of new
ownership literally changed the entire trajectory of the franchise overnight.
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I mean, that is the greatest turnaround. You know what's
funny in the NFL is I've seen this multiple times
in the NFL where a team gets purchased and they
get better fast. In the NBA, matt Ishbia bought the Sons,
And there are just certain things in the NBA that
the NFL doesn't deal with. It's much more of a
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players league. The NBA, though, is going to start looking
much more like the NFL. General managers are going to
be the key to this league in five years. Here's
my You know, in the NFL, we always talk about
Howie Roseman and Chris Ballard and John Lynch and less
Need and you know we all John Snyder in Seattle
and Jason lytton Tampa, and we all know that, you know,
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Brett Veach in Kansas City. We know the gms.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You know there's certain stewards and gms in this league.
We talk about in the NBA, you got to if
you're a casual, yeah, you don't really follow. I mean,
you know Danny Ainge now in Utah. That will change
in five years because the NBA, if you look at
the new aprons and collective bargaining, you can't stack rosters.
You can't do it. You have to get rid of
guys or you have to just draft and develop well
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general managers, not the players. This is like the NFL.
You get the occasional mahomes, the occasional star player, those gms,
they're running the show. Howie Roseman is running the show
in Philadelphia. You're going to see more of that in
the NBA. That obviously Sam Presty in Oklahoma City, Brad
Stevens in Boston's terrific. Riley's been, you know, a stud forever.
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So that's going to become a bigger deal and a
bigger conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Are you surprised, Colin that so many people out there
they're like, can you believe.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
An NBA team sold for ten billion?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I don't think people get that the NBA is a
global sport, right There is an appeal in China, in
the Middle East.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I mean USA basketball.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Remember before the Olympics, where did they go, Colin.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
To put on a show. They went out to the desert.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And saw all those rich, all the guys with the
oil money and guests who invested in the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Take it.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I mean, you don't have to do any deep diving here.
ESPN's reporting that a lot of it is coming from
Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it's funny. We don't talk
about ratings for sports at all, except the NBA. Because
it's a more political league and because they lean left
on their politics, people that are moderate to write kind
of attacked the league for its ratings. I get it,
that's the world we live in. But the truth is
they signed a seventy six billion dollar deal, and the
reason the Lakers sold for ten billion dollars, a big
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chunk of that is the eleven year, seventy six billion
dollar deal. The Walters Group gets their cut of that
deal is for thirty five billion, not seventy six. They're
not selling for ten billion, and the Celtics aren't selling
for six. The Celtics are selling for four and a half.
The Lakers are selling for seven and a half. So
the reason it's selling that valuation is connected to that
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got it, owners got it, coaches got it. They got theirs.
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Speaker 3 (21:17):
All right, Colin.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
My Knicks, Uh, they still are looking for a head
coach after surprisingly firing Tom Thibodeau a couple of weeks ago.
You know, I was frustrating when the Knicks kept getting
denied by teams to talk to their guy. But it
looks to me like right now, Mike Brown is the favorite.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He's the betting.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Favorite at plus one twenty five, followed by Taylor Jenkins,
Johnny Bryant. Michael Malone, the former Denver coach, is a
little ways down the list. I like Mike Brown a lot.
He's been a good coach. I thought he got jobbed
in Sacramento after doing a I mean, he got him
to the playoff on Sacramento never got to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
He's a Steve Kerr guy, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Mike Malone. Mike Malone to me, is an excellent coach,
and you have to be careful about this. Reportedly they
don't want Mike because his intensity matches Tibbs, and they
don't want two rough guys back to back. I'd be
very careful about that. I mean, what happens in this
has happened to me in my life, where like I've
worked with people that you have a news director when
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I was a local TV who was a yeller and
a screamer, but highly effective, and then he gets run
out of the building, and then you go the opposite
and hire somebody that's just as strong as a down comforter,
and you go the opposite. Pendulum swings too far. Tibbs
built a really tough culture because he's hard on players.
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Don't forget that. Don't go I don't want to Mike
dan Tony clone because he's a swell guy. You know,
Tibbs was hard on the players. Yeah, they got better
in the regular season the postseason, and this team has
deficiencies in personnel. Do not let the pendulum. Mike Malone
to me, is the coach here and I don't even
think it's that difficult a decision.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But we need to admit he feuded with the front
office because he didn't want to play young guys in Denver.
He wanted to ride the veterans, which is not what
you do.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Colin. You don't get you to the finals right now?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Okay, you don't have that dilemma here. You don't have
The Knicks aren't depending on young players.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Tims played his starters a lot and would not change.
He was unyielding in refusing to bring, like do some
good ride off the bench. I know that's some all potatoes,
but Knicks fans know what I'm talking about. He was
just a little firm in his waist because he's older.
I think they want to skew younger someone who the
front office is going to say, please do this. It
says analytically, we need to.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Okay, tell me the last great coach in any sport
now baseball because of analytics, managers have limited power. But
if you go NBA, NFL, you can go international soccer.
Tell me the last great manager who basically complies with
UH ownership and front office wishes, well, well, you're hiring
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somebody that you can push around. I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It's less about maybe I friend that wrong. Let's about
pushing around, but more about being on the same page. Hey,
this is what the analytics say, we like this.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, being on the same page as long
as you agree with me, will get along. What does
that mean being on the same page.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I don't want philosophy Coulin like you wouldn't have me
on the show if we didn't agree on a lot
of stuff. All takes disagree, we go ahead to head
over plenty and stuff, but by and large we agree
what works.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Now because you and I are on the stand. I
don't want to get into us, but you and I
are on the same page. We work hard, blah blah blah,
family that kind of stuff. If you were a schorely guy,
I don't care if we agree or not. We go
back and forth constantly. I want as a GM a
coach with a strong vision and a strong plan. I
don't have to have him succumb to my wishes. The
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Knicks want to hire comfortable and compliant. I want a
great coach, and I think Malone is a top ten
coach in the league.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I don't agree. I think there's a middle ground. We'd
probably agree. But let's move on to the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Who you know, there's some pressure on your boy, Jared
Goff south May's finance out here in LA Maybe you'll
get a bite with him when you come out here
next week.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
There is pressure on him.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Quote the Lions have too much talent not to bounce
back in twenty twenty five. But the end of the
season has to leave you wondering if the franchise can
actually make.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
A super Bowl run with Jared Goff. I think that's
a little silly.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He was moments away from a Super Bowl two years
ago in that San Francisco game.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
The bigger issue is he is not a mobile quarterback.
And in this league right now, teams like you know,
Washington with Jaden Daniels, even Denver with bow knicks can
add about twenty to twenty five percent of the playbook
because you could constantly move the pocket. That's why Shanahan,
by the way, likes brought pretty One of the reasons
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he likes him is you can move the pocket. You
couldn't with Garoffolo. So Garoffolo didn't throw deep and he
couldn't move particularly well. One of the attractive things about
Perty I can flush him left or right. He does
move well, and you get more plays. And so I
think these quarter but I think you look at I
think you look at if you have you just lost
your center who retired. Not good for Detroit, not good
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at all. So the old line will not be as
good period in the middle, and now you have an
immobile quarterback. So I do think you start looking at
this and thinking, hey, do we have to have a
great old line in order for golf to win because
you know eventually some of these offensive linemen outside of
finet seol, you can't afford all of them.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
So by the way, GoF had a career year last year,
thirty seven touchdowns QBR, best.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Of his career.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I think the issue with golf Colin, we're going to
notice it early. You remember last year, anytime the Lions
played in Goths throwing guys are wide open. I'm talking
like everywhere dudes are defensive, bats aren't even close.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
If all of a sudden, they're not.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
As open because the new OC's not as good. I
think you need to sell the Lions like in September.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You're gonna be able to tell early because those guys
are the wide open.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I still think they have a great roster. I'm what
is the over under eleven to eleven.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
And a half ten and a half? Think it's ten
and a half.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, so I think they're an eleven win team. But
I do think they I think there's an argument when
you lose two elite coordinators. Go ask Philadelphia when Sirianni
had two great OCDC lost them bad hires. That team
was reeling. Think about good. Philadelphia's roster was a year
and a half ago and it was reeling. They were
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a mess. So coaching matters quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
They got a face in the first six weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Jordan Love, Caleb Williams, Lamar Jackson, Dylan Gabriel, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
That's three of the best four quarterbacks in the league
in the first six games for your new defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Okay, good luck, Lions.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Final story is the forty nine Ers Colin They brought
back former DC or Robert Salah this offseason.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They were brutal.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Last year, twenty eighth in scoring. Defense.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
George Kittle was on The Rich Eisen Show and talked
about the defense the side of the football. Here's George
Kittle's message on the Niners.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
He's really good at his job, and I'm really excited
that we somehow convinced them to be our defensive coordinator again.
Because he is, he knows what he's talking about, he's inspiring,
he gets the boys fired up. I'm pumped a hat
him back in the buildings. Just hanging out with him
a little bit, talking about stuff. You can just tell
he's he's ready to roll this year and he's gonna
get the boys fired up. Violence is coming, is what
I would say.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, I mean, I think everybody in the league when
the Jets fired saw what my take was. You just
let the best coach in the building leave, and you
were already babysitting that Hackett and it was a disaster.
That nothing against the guy that replaced him, but you know,
never let the best coach in the building.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Leave.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
That's almost always the rule. And it was not a
terribly strong staff because the OC was you know, came
with Aaron. So I think Saul is a great coach,
whether or not he's a head coach. I mean, everybody's
get second chances. He'll get this. I would give him
a second chance. I think he deserves it. But he's
an excellent defensive coach.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Well, they'll be the number one see in the NFC.
I think we both agree on that.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
They got brock Perdy in an easy schedule. Can they
win the Super Bowl? We'll see. I mean, no, I
think I think Niners. You have Rams bills. I think
I might have Niners bills in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Well, I have Rams Seahawks making the playoffs. I do
not have the Niners in the super Bowl. I think
that is sometimes I win these bets against you and
I see him coming a mile away.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You've got two months left to get off that horrible
Seahawks take. Right, Let's just move off that one quickly.
You know how you move off for real estate quickly.
You need to move off the Seattle Seahawks being a
playoff team next year.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's just not happening.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Let me tell you something. I already bought a couple
of jet skis with that those winnings. I got jet skis.
Do they let jet.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Skis go on Lake Chicago or whatever the lake is
called Lake Mi.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I just want to.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Brush up on Chicago.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
It's like your geography. You may want to brush up
on that a little. Jmax Lake Chicago. Okay, uh Jmack
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Speaker 2 (30:44):
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easy Path, No second chances tonight, nine Eastern on FS one.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Now, the odds for this one nit too closer, a
little more comfortable than people may suggest, So keep your
eye on that. And everybody's feeling good about themselves after that.
Five nothing lacking of Trinidad and Tobago, but keep your
eye on this one tonight. So sometimes I'm just flummixed
(31:23):
by something that I have always liked Kevin Durant as
a player. There's a story today that he wanted to
join both the Celtics and the Knicks in February at
the trade deadline, and neither was interested. Huh. I mean,
he's the number one rated jump shooter in the league.
(31:44):
Only two guys in the league averaged twenty five points
and shot forty percent on threes, Jokic and KD. He's
not disruptive, he's a nice guy. He's respected by players.
He doesn't need the ball in his hands. I don't
get it. He didn't have a market and I was
thinking about that this morning. Is that all of us
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communicate beyond talking tone, body language who you hang out with.
And I think his messaging is bad. That's the only
thing that explains it. The best head coaches and general
managers prioritize winning for second and third, and I don't
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think KD has always prioritized that. He did briefly with
Golden State, that he got into his fields and left
and he wanted to just go hoop and have fun,
and people in the NBA have fun in your own
time want to win titles. I don't like his messaging.
(32:49):
I love his game, you know, Jalen Brunson, whether it
was Villanova or the Knicks, he dies a little with
each loss. He is so competitive and he's got it
all lined up. And that's the only it's the only
thing I can make sense of this is that it's
it's so strange and people say, well, and he's going
to want a new contract. He's not getting a super max.
(33:12):
He wants a couple of years. He's giving you twenty
five a night. He can defend you get length. He's
a bright player. He knows the game, he knows the
ins and outs. He's mostly healthy. It's a shooters league,
by the way. He'll get mid range. He can hit threes.
And with Brunson's game especially, you know, whoever plays with
Brunson can't need the ball a lot. You gotta be
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able to play off ball with Jalen Brunson. That's why
he and Luca weren't perfect, right, Like Kevin Durant is perfect.
He's the perfect player for him. But I think if
I said to you KD and I said word association,
you'd think Hooper wants to play with friends, wants to
(33:57):
just ball, doesn't want to really lead. And that fair
or not. I think that's how people view him because
if you did put him on the Celtics tomorrow, you
could put him on the Knicks tomorrow. I don't get it.
Rick Buker talked about, you know, his lack of a
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dynamic market.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
It's not so much that teams don't want KD and
couldn't use KD as much as what are we going
to have to give up for him? And are we
going to have to extend him. The reason that you're
not seeing a more robust market for him is because
teams are looking at it and saying, I don't know
that within a year for what we might have to
(34:42):
give up. The KD really moves the needle at this point.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
But I would add this, if you're hyper athletic like
Cam Newton, you tend to age very quickly. But if
it's about shooting and sort of basketball IQ shooting and
ball handling in length, those ages very well. That's why
I mean, if you look at Lebron James, he is athletic,
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but he's a great ball handler, one of the smartest
players ever. You know, Lebron doesn't defend like he used to.
But Kevin Durant's game, I think ages really really well.
He's not toxic. People like him. He's smart, he understands
the game. He can shoot. I don't know, like I
think Steph Curry is one of those guys you play
for a long time. I mean, Klay Thompson's still playing.
(35:30):
He's a catch and shoot guy. Whereas a Westbrook is
bouncing team to team now because he was so hyper athletic.
When you lose that, it's like it's not the same player.
But the messaging matters. And I'll give you two examples. Sga,
he's kind of boring. The messaging is winning, Yokic screaming
at his teammates. The message winning, and we communicate with
(35:53):
more than just words tone. Who are your friends? Who
are your allies? I was told this years ago by
it was somebody in Lebron's camp. Is a certain player's
name came up that that wanted to play with Lebron
(36:15):
and I I didn't love this player, but this player
was really, really talented, and he said, no, Lebron doesn't
want that guy that Lebron. Now, now Lebron was okay
with Westbrook briefly, but it was a player who was
in their prime. And I remember somebody in Lebron's camp saying, look,
Lebron didn't want that guy near his brand. And he's
(36:37):
he's still going to you know, he's still partying like Lebron.
He doesn't have any interest. They are the opposite personality,
the opposite guy. And that stuck with me. So also,
I'm not good look at that. Yeah, all right, Dodger
(36:59):
surpassed two million in fan attendants last night. Fourteenth sellout.
That's the Otani factor. By the way, it's selling out
on Wednesdays and Thursdays. I remember when a Rod went
to the Yankees. And remember he went to the Yankees
and they already had Jeter. It's like he was a shortstop.
People were saying a Rod revolutionized the game. They put
him at third. It's like he was good for baseball,
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he was good for business. A Rod got people to
the ballpark on a Tuesday night and a Wednesday night
and a Thursday night. That's the Otani factor. Is their
fourteenth sellout. Now, some of this is the Podreis is
their biggest rival. And we were talking about AJ Presenski
came on earlier and the Dodgers won with a walk
off last night. This rivalry is is. It is as
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even and as nasty as a rivalry in baseball can be.
And Aj Persensky an hour ago talked about it.
Speaker 9 (37:50):
Every team walks into a series with the Dodgers and
there are teams out there that go, we can't beat them,
Why are we even wasting our time? The Padres they
don't play like that. Mike Schill Manny Machado for tachis
all of these guys on the Padres, they don't play
like that. We ain't afraid of the Dodgers, So we're
gonna show you the Padres that want to show the
Dodgers we're not little brother anymore. We're not afraid of you.
We're gonna stand up for our guys. And that's how
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you have to do it in today's game.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
You know, it is interesting with Otanni because he played
down with the Angels. But one of the reasons it
made sense to get a Rod with the Yankees because
in one hundred and sixty two games, a Rod and
Jeter together made the Yankee games feel like an event.
And I mean, listen, Freeman's great. Bets is great, but
it's Otawni that makes every Dodger game feel like an event.
(38:37):
Don't don't confuse Bets is an unbelievable player. He doesn't
make a Tuesday game. He's just great Otani. This is
the Caitlin Clark effect. She's not the best player in
the league. Caitlin Clark. Oh, you get tickets to a
Caitlin Clark game in Indiana. That is a big event.
Right now, I'm serious the game with Caitlin Clark in
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it tonight, playing one the more physical teams in the
WNBA off that skirmish with Connecticut, honestly, to me feels
bigger or at least even with the NBA Finals game
in indianthonit. Caitlin Clark makes stuff feel like an event.
I mean, the Masters is already big, but when Rory
McElroy is going for his big win, the numbers explode,
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like Okay, we're watching history here, so that is what
And again, there are a lot of good teams, like
the Detroit Lions are a really good team, but part
of what makes the Buffalo Bills games feel bigger is
Josh Allen. Josh Allen's like he'll do stuff that you
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may never see in a football field. Again, that's what
Caitlin Clark's doing, That's what o'tanny's doing. And now you
add the scrum and the physicality and the flagrant and
the technicals as everybody's ramping up their defense. Rachel Nichols
talked about that with Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
We've seen Steph Curry that you mentioned beat up like
this for years. I mean, that is basically the game
plan against Steph Curry is just try to out physical
him and beat him up a little bit, because of
course can't match the skill level. So I think the
w has sort of taken a page from that. But
so far, you know, she's been able to handle everything
that's been thrown at her. I don't really worry about
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her toughness. She might be her own enforcer, so we'll
just have to see.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
There's also another story with the Indiana Fever. Sophie Cunningham
obviously very appealing, tall, blonde, beautiful, an enforcer and her
jerseys just sold out yesterday. Fanatics said the Sophie Cunningham jerseys.
They brought her over like the Bulls did with Charles
Oakley to protect Michael Jordan. They brought her over as
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an enforcer, and in this game she enforced. And what
I love about Sophie Cunningham she is leaning in to
all of it. The enforcer part, her appearance part. Let's
just be honest. That's that helps. That helps is Sophie
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Cunningham is now a part of this thing. She's part
of this. She is part of this sort of event
feel not just the enforcer. How she dresses, she makes
sure the cameras are out. You ever noticed with Sophie Cunnan,
the camera's always it's just perfect. She comes into the arena,
I mean, come on, everybody knows what's going on here.
(41:31):
We're all grown ups, right her Social media people are like, yep,
Sophie'll be walking by in forty five minutes, make that twenty,
make that nine. Here she comes, boom, picture hits the internet.
We all know, we all know what's going on. We're
adults here, but it's a thing, and she is leaning
into it all right. J Mac my staff here is like,
(41:54):
what is where is he going? We're adults.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Heward coward unlike she Door Sanders, you need to pump
the rags, buddy, slow it down, all right on, Sophie
Cunning
Speaker 5 (42:06):
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two all fired up lives. It is the Herd. Wherever
you may be and however you may be listening, Thanks
for making us part of your day. I got last night,
Jmack somebody, Uh I'm not going to get into names. Oh,
but it's somebody I implicitly trust. It's been a very
(00:44):
good source for me. They used your name. They said, uh,
I got I got some news for you on JJ
McCarthy and I don't think Jmax's gonna love okay.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So I'm just telling you no, no, I know, I
think I know what you're talking about. I I heard
from somebody something similar after I went on my rant.
You know, Minnesota Vikings fans loved it, and then other
people were like, Jmax, slow down, here's what's.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Not out there that you need to know. And I
was like, all right, fine, I heard about it, all.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Right, I'm just j Mack. I'd get ready for a
fourth place. Isn't the worst place.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Let's say, come on listen.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
If he plays and delivers, it's no big deal. But
I do like how people are hitting you up and
referencing me. Man, Wow, I'm really coming.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It was a reference that you were annoying. So it
wasn't the greatest reference. Okay, So I want to say this.
So according to this is good Mark Schlareth, who's at
f S one obviously uh and he is he is
friends with Rogers for the time being. That could you
know who knows the four time MVP. According to Mark
(01:54):
Slareth often went on a DA tribe with issues with
a Jets organization, and Mark said, Aaron and I had
a conversation when he was with the Jets about how
abysmal their running game was and how schematically it made
no sense. And Mark started the conversation and he said,
Aaron went off for about twenty five minute DIA drive
just on their run game. So I've said this about
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Aaron Rodgers and Kevin Durant love their talent, don't love
their choices. So for Aaron to be upset with the
Jets run game and dysfunction. Bro, you brought in that
Hackett there. The Jets have a fourteen year playoff drought,
longest in North American sports, Canada, US, every league. And
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in December, Aaron Rodgers had a quote. This is not
me saying it, this is Aaron Rodgers. He says, I
didn't do myself any favors with the girls I've dated. Okay,
that's his opinion. I'm not saying that, Okay. So my
take is this goes to the heart of what I've
said about Aaron. I'm not saying he's not smart, and
(02:59):
I'm not saying and he's not talented like KD. I
don't love his decision making. The Jets have been dysfunctional
for a decade and a half. You chose him. Robert
Salla was on the hot seat, you chose him. Matt
Hackett was a disaster in Denver. You chose him. You
can't blame anybody. And I've argued this the reason Pittsburgh's
(03:21):
not a great fit. And I'm serious. You think the
Jets are as functional. The Steelers aren't organizationally dysfunctional, but
the Steelers are offensively dysfunctional and have been since Big
Ben's last couple of years. They can't get the offensive
line right. Najee Harris got traded and said they've got
(03:42):
no plan offensively, So you know it's it's just with Aaron.
I know he's smart, I know he's talented, but there
are times he just lacks an awareness that feels so
obvious to me for a smart guy. Remember what he
said during the season for the Jets. Remember this, anything
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that doesn't have.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Anything to do with winning needs to be assessed. If
you want to be a winning organization, then to put
some position to win championships and be competitive. Everything that
you do matters, and the book that has nothing to
do with winning needs to get out of the building.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I agree. Unfortunately, many of the dramas in the building
were created and teammates asked about it, induced by Aaron
having a weekly hit on a TV show that was
part of it. So Aaron led the league as a
quarterback in non football stuff seeping into the locker room awareness.
(04:49):
That's why I said I would retire before I go
to the Steelers. They're dysfunctional, not organizationally, not defensively, but
offensively they're dysfunctional. How many ocs can we have musical
chairs offensive line? Just my take. Albert Brewer is now
joining us live Monday Morning Quarterbacks. Let's let's just talk.
(05:10):
And again, I don't I don't like being always knocking Aaron.
That's why I always say I said this with KD.
I can love your game, not love your choices. Lebron,
I love both, Brady, I love both Peyton Manning. I
love both the choice thing. So let's just talk. The
first couple of weeks Aaron in the building of the Steelers.
What are you hearing? Really good?
Speaker 5 (05:31):
He's got a good rapport with Arthur Smith, which really
was built up since March. He's been in touch with
Smith and Mike Tomlin really pretty consistently throughout now. They
didn't have scheduled check ins, but Aaron was diligent about
staying in touch with them, and they were building an
offense for him. And you know, Arthur Smith had connections
to two of of Aaron Rodgers last three play callers.
(05:54):
Both Matt Lafleur and Todd Downing worked with Arthur Smith
over the years in Tennessee, so he had relationships he
could put on there. So it's easy to say it
in June, right, but so far, so good, And I
do think that there's a little bit of a nuance
here at Collins used to jump in on what you
said before I came on there, which, like, I think
this is kind of why Aaron picked the Steelers over
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the Giants in the first place. When he went to
the Jets, I think he was being asked to lift
all boats, and I think he probably felt like he
could do it right. You had a really talented core
of young players there, guys like Breist Hall and Garrett
Wilson and Sauce Gardner and Quentinnin Williams and Jermaine Johnson
and Julu Fashan who coming in last year, and the
idea was Aaron's going to come in and he's going
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to push these guys over the edge and we're going
to become a winner because of Aaron. I think the
Giants would have been asking him to do the same
thing with their core guys like Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns,
guys who hadn't won before, Andrew Thomas Neighbors coming in.
That's not what the Steelers are asking. The Steelers are
asking him to jump on a moving train, and even
if the things aren't perfect, there there is something a stab.
(07:00):
That culture has been in place for almost twenty years now,
and so I think what appealed to Aaron about coming
to Pittsburgh versus what he had to do in New
York last two years is Aaron, just come in here
and play quarterback. That's all we're asking you to do,
you know. And having talked to him a couple of
times last summer about this, I know he was kind
of digging in on I'm more appreciative of just the
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opportunity to go play football. I think the Steelers will
give him the chance to focus on just doing that
and not lifting off everybody around him.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Okay, I said last hour, I was really I was
very much champing and champiing.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Championeering.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's not sure. How do you say that I was
a champion champion ing.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
There?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You go, right, champion ning there, you know? And I
always got a good V plus in English. Sorry, I
butchered out America. So but at the quarterback position. And
I did this with Baker, I did it with Manzel.
I can remember. I've taken my shots at Okay, it's
different I want you to be Jalen Hurts. I want
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you to be Dak, I want you to be Herbert.
I want you on that Wednesday podium. Your job is
to put fires out. You know this. Brady used to
do a Monday hit in Boston radio. You know this,
and all it was. He didn't need the money. It
was to create the narrative for the week so the media,
the aggressive Boston media, couldn't attack. That was Brady's brilliance.
(08:30):
Big Ben did this in Pittsburgh for a while to
kind of create the narrative of the week. It's very smart.
It's not the end of the world. But between that
legendary draft room which was cringey and one hundred mile
an hour speeding ticket, I'm sorry, Albert, it matters and
it bothers me.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
It is something, yeah, and I think it's the the
issue now is that really if you're the Browns, where
you're looking for Shador Sanders to do from a work
standpoint is come in and operate as if he's the
thirtieth or fortieth or fiftieth guy on the roster, because
that's exactly what he is as a fifth round pick.
He's a guy who's fighting not for their starting job,
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for a job on the team period. And so generally
or tolerance for this sort of stuff with with guys
who are in that position is going to be far
less than it would be with a star player. I
don't think this is the most serious thing in the world,
but it is, you know, an early test of how
he handles it with the team and everything else, and
so I think that's part of it. The other thing is,
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like he is playing from behind here, and look, the
reality is the reason he got less less eleven on
eleven reps than the other quarterbacks, the reason that he
got less first team reps than the other quarterbacks in
the spring is because he had more ground to make up.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
He was behind.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
And that's something you heard consistently from teams ahead of
the draft was this guy, we're a little surprised based
on his background that he's as behind as he as
he is from a football no house endpoint. So he's
already playing catch up behind even Dylan Gabriel, let alone
Kenny Pickett or Joe Flacco. And you're looking for him
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to blend in which he did a nice job of that.
Like he was a worker bee in May and June,
and he did put his head down and go to
work and do the things he needed to do. But again,
like this is a guy you're looking to blend in,
and so this is one of those things where it's like, ah,
that's not great. Now, let's see how he'll react. Again,
It's not something's going to get him kicked off the team,
but it's something you pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Okay. So last night I got a text from somebody
I have a great deal of respect for, and they said,
the JJ McCarthy situation, it is a work in progress.
He is not Bonix, He is not Jayden Daniels. He
is not that that. Those guys came in a lot
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of starts ready to play. They've been in shootouts, they'd
had multiple coordinators, the teams leaned on them, they played
a lot from the hind are in big games. Those guys.
Bon Nix was ready to play, and so was Jayden Daniels.
In my opinion, so was Michael Pennix. But Kirk Cousins
was in Atlanta. Ye I say, I said a couple
of weeks ago, Albert, I love mystery in a true
(11:12):
crime series. I don't like it with my quarterbacks. What
are you hearing on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Well, I mean the guys you're comparing them with. I
mean Jayden Daniels is a five year college player. Penix
was in college for six, bon Knicks was in college
for five. All those guys had a massive amount of starts.
So it isn't the same thing. There was more of
a learning curve. And you know, I think a piece
of this is, you know, inextricable from reality. Is is
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the injury, you know, and the injury last year and
kind of the after effects of that and how that
affected his whole year and you know, mentally physically, how
he was he handling all of that, the weight loss,
all of that stuff is a part of the mix
when you're talking about where JJ McCarthy was.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Going into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Now, that said, after the season ended, he's been in
there every day, he's doing his best. He's put the
weight back on, and so is he gonna snap his
fingers and be what Jayde Daniels was last year? No,
but that was never the Vikings plan. Anyway, the Vikings
plan was, and this goes back to when Kevin got
there three years ago, was eventually we're gonna reset with
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the young quarterback, and because that young quarterback's on a
rookie contract, we're gonna be able to build aggressively around
the young quarterbacks. That's exactly what they've done after they
elect Kirk Cousins go. Last year, they go and they
bring in Jonathan Grenard and Andrew Van Ginkel and Aaron Jones.
And this year they go and they shore up the
interior of the offensive and defensive lines by bringing in
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Will Fries and Ryan Kelly on offense and Jonathan Allen
on defense. And the whole idea here is we don't
need JJ McCarthy to be a great player.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
We need him to be a bus driver.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
And he drafted in the first round. You eventually need
You're eventually gonna need more from him if you're gonna
give him a second contract. But the here and the now,
the idea is going to be for JJ McCarthy, who
does have town, to come in and keep the train
on the tracks.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
And I think.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
That's the piece of this that people miss sometimes, is
like it's not about getting him to be Patrick Mahomes immediately.
It's about getting him to be the best answer for
a team that won fourteen games a year ago and
has very serious championship aspirations. Can you get him there
by August? I think that's a very realistic thing.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
All right. But for the record, the Lakers sold yesterday,
the Celtics sold recently. Is there an and I'm just sinking,
is there an NFL team? If I said an NFL
team just got sold? Is there anybody you think is
looking to sell in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Like out of nowhere?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
You're saying, well, I mean there's certain that like the
Brown family can't compete financially in Cincinnati. I feel like
they they feel like the that I've got the quarterback
and the stars, but they just can't feel like they
I mean, every star players, it goes, it becomes public.
It's a mess. I mean, the one you've heard the
most about.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
I think this is from a speculation standpoint, just because
they don't say much as Seattle. You know, the death
of Paul Allen obviously, you know, change some things. And
and Jody Allen, his sister, has been in charge, and
she's sort of been a little bit of a mysterious figure.
And because of where that franchise is, you know, and
the amount of wealth. And you know this better than anybody.
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You're from the Pacific Northwest Colin the amount of money
that is in that region of the country, there's always
been that thought that they could cash out. And then
you look at the numbers here and I think that's
probably part of the deal with the Celtics and the
Lakers selling is like the numbers have become so big
now that it's almost impossible for people who own these
teams to ignore. So like if there was one out
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of nowhere, and I think it'd be really tough to
pull that off in the NFL, to have like it's
just completely clandestine team sale that they flew completely under
the radar and boom, it's there. And I think the
Lakers was kind of that way, right, you know, I
think it would be Seattle. I think you're going to
see more of in the coming years. Is what we've
seen over the last year or two, which is pieces
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of teams being sold. You see the Raiders, they're selling
to big money guys like Meldman and Egan Durbin and
Tom Wagner and obviously Brady's part of that now too.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Where that serves two purposes.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
It gives teams an influx of cash, and it also
probably long term lessens the blow from an estate tax standpoint.
I think that's probably what you're going to see a
little bit more of Eagles. Jeffrey Loriie sold pieces of
his team off We've seen some teams sell pieces to
private equity. I think you're going to see more and
more of that. As far as like a whole team
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being sold, like Seattle is the only one that I
can come up with offhand, that strikes me as like
if there was one that was going to kind of
come up a sneak up on people, maybe that would
be the one that will get sold.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, and that's a well run organization that somebody being
themselves a jem. Good seeing you, Albert Burwersolo's Money Morning quarterback.
Thanks man, all right, thanks going, And just to give
you a sense of how valuable ownership is, look at
the exit of Dan Snyder and the entrance of new
ownership literally changed the entire trajectory of the franchise overnight.
(16:16):
I mean, that is the greatest turnaround. You know what's
funny in the NFL is I've seen this multiple times
in the NFL where a team gets purchased and they
get better fast. In the NBA, matt Ishbia bought the Sons,
And there are just certain things in the NBA that
the NFL doesn't deal with. It's much more of a
(16:37):
players league. The NBA, though, is going to start looking
much more like the NFL. General managers are going to
be the key to this league in five years. Here's
my You know, in the NFL, we always talk about
Howie Roseman and Chris Ballard and John Lynch and less
Need and you know we all John Snyder in Seattle
and Jason lytton Tampa, and we all know that, you know,
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Brett Veach in Kansas City. We know the gms.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You know there's certain stewards and gms in this league.
We talk about in the NBA, you got to if
you're a casual, yeah, you don't really follow. I mean,
you know Danny Ainge now in Utah. That will change
in five years because the NBA, if you look at
the new aprons and collective bargaining, you can't stack rosters.
You can't do it. You have to get rid of
guys or you have to just draft and develop well
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general managers, not the players. This is like the NFL.
You get the occasional mahomes, the occasional star player, those gms,
they're running the show. Howie Roseman is running the show
in Philadelphia. You're going to see more of that in
the NBA. That obviously Sam Presty in Oklahoma City, Brad
Stevens in Boston's terrific. Riley's been, you know, a stud forever.
(17:53):
So that's going to become a bigger deal and a
bigger conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Are you surprised, Colin that so many people out there
they're like, can you believe.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
An NBA team sold for ten billion?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I don't think people get that the NBA is a
global sport, right There is an appeal in China, in
the Middle East.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I mean USA basketball.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Remember before the Olympics, where did they go, Colin.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
To put on a show. They went out to the desert.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And saw all those rich, all the guys with the
oil money and guests who invested in the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Take it.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I mean, you don't have to do any deep diving here.
ESPN's reporting that a lot of it is coming from
Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it's funny. We don't talk
about ratings for sports at all, except the NBA. Because
it's a more political league and because they lean left
on their politics, people that are moderate to write kind
of attacked the league for its ratings. I get it,
that's the world we live in. But the truth is
they signed a seventy six billion dollar deal, and the
reason the Lakers sold for ten billion dollars, a big
(18:53):
chunk of that is the eleven year, seventy six billion
dollar deal. The Walters Group gets their cut of that
deal is for thirty five billion, not seventy six. They're
not selling for ten billion, and the Celtics aren't selling
for six. The Celtics are selling for four and a half.
The Lakers are selling for seven and a half. So
the reason it's selling that valuation is connected to that
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got it, owners got it, coaches got it. They got theirs.
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Speaker 3 (21:17):
All right, Colin.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
My Knicks, Uh, they still are looking for a head
coach after surprisingly firing Tom Thibodeau a couple of weeks ago.
You know, I was frustrating when the Knicks kept getting
denied by teams to talk to their guy. But it
looks to me like right now, Mike Brown is the favorite.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He's the betting.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Favorite at plus one twenty five, followed by Taylor Jenkins,
Johnny Bryant. Michael Malone, the former Denver coach, is a
little ways down the list. I like Mike Brown a lot.
He's been a good coach. I thought he got jobbed
in Sacramento after doing a I mean, he got him
to the playoff on Sacramento never got to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
He's a Steve Kerr guy, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Mike Malone. Mike Malone to me, is an excellent coach,
and you have to be careful about this. Reportedly they
don't want Mike because his intensity matches Tibbs, and they
don't want two rough guys back to back. I'd be
very careful about that. I mean, what happens in this
has happened to me in my life, where like I've
worked with people that you have a news director when
(22:17):
I was a local TV who was a yeller and
a screamer, but highly effective, and then he gets run
out of the building, and then you go the opposite
and hire somebody that's just as strong as a down comforter,
and you go the opposite. Pendulum swings too far. Tibbs
built a really tough culture because he's hard on players.
(22:37):
Don't forget that. Don't go I don't want to Mike
dan Tony clone because he's a swell guy. You know,
Tibbs was hard on the players. Yeah, they got better
in the regular season the postseason, and this team has
deficiencies in personnel. Do not let the pendulum. Mike Malone
to me, is the coach here and I don't even
think it's that difficult a decision.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But we need to admit he feuded with the front
office because he didn't want to play young guys in Denver.
He wanted to ride the veterans, which is not what
you do.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Colin. You don't get you to the finals right now?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Okay, you don't have that dilemma here. You don't have
The Knicks aren't depending on young players.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Tims played his starters a lot and would not change.
He was unyielding in refusing to bring, like do some
good ride off the bench. I know that's some all potatoes,
but Knicks fans know what I'm talking about. He was
just a little firm in his waist because he's older.
I think they want to skew younger someone who the
front office is going to say, please do this. It
says analytically, we need to.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Okay, tell me the last great coach in any sport
now baseball because of analytics, managers have limited power. But
if you go NBA, NFL, you can go international soccer.
Tell me the last great manager who basically complies with
UH ownership and front office wishes, well, well, you're hiring
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somebody that you can push around. I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It's less about maybe I friend that wrong. Let's about
pushing around, but more about being on the same page. Hey,
this is what the analytics say, we like this.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, being on the same page as long
as you agree with me, will get along. What does
that mean being on the same page.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I don't want philosophy Coulin like you wouldn't have me
on the show if we didn't agree on a lot
of stuff. All takes disagree, we go ahead to head
over plenty and stuff, but by and large we agree
what works.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Now because you and I are on the stand. I
don't want to get into us, but you and I
are on the same page. We work hard, blah blah blah,
family that kind of stuff. If you were a schorely guy,
I don't care if we agree or not. We go
back and forth constantly. I want as a GM a
coach with a strong vision and a strong plan. I
don't have to have him succumb to my wishes. The
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Knicks want to hire comfortable and compliant. I want a
great coach, and I think Malone is a top ten
coach in the league.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I don't agree. I think there's a middle ground. We'd
probably agree. But let's move on to the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Who you know, there's some pressure on your boy, Jared
Goff south May's finance out here in LA Maybe you'll
get a bite with him when you come out here
next week.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
There is pressure on him.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Quote the Lions have too much talent not to bounce
back in twenty twenty five. But the end of the
season has to leave you wondering if the franchise can
actually make.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
A super Bowl run with Jared Goff. I think that's
a little silly.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He was moments away from a Super Bowl two years
ago in that San Francisco game.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
The bigger issue is he is not a mobile quarterback.
And in this league right now, teams like you know,
Washington with Jaden Daniels, even Denver with bow knicks can
add about twenty to twenty five percent of the playbook
because you could constantly move the pocket. That's why Shanahan,
by the way, likes brought pretty One of the reasons
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he likes him is you can move the pocket. You
couldn't with Garoffolo. So Garoffolo didn't throw deep and he
couldn't move particularly well. One of the attractive things about
Perty I can flush him left or right. He does
move well, and you get more plays. And so I
think these quarter but I think you look at I
think you look at if you have you just lost
your center who retired. Not good for Detroit, not good
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at all. So the old line will not be as
good period in the middle, and now you have an
immobile quarterback. So I do think you start looking at
this and thinking, hey, do we have to have a
great old line in order for golf to win because
you know eventually some of these offensive linemen outside of
finet seol, you can't afford all of them.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
So by the way, GoF had a career year last year,
thirty seven touchdowns QBR, best.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Of his career.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I think the issue with golf Colin, we're going to
notice it early. You remember last year, anytime the Lions
played in Goths throwing guys are wide open. I'm talking
like everywhere dudes are defensive, bats aren't even close.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
If all of a sudden, they're not.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
As open because the new OC's not as good. I
think you need to sell the Lions like in September.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You're gonna be able to tell early because those guys
are the wide open.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I still think they have a great roster. I'm what
is the over under eleven to eleven.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
And a half ten and a half? Think it's ten
and a half.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, so I think they're an eleven win team. But
I do think they I think there's an argument when
you lose two elite coordinators. Go ask Philadelphia when Sirianni
had two great OCDC lost them bad hires. That team
was reeling. Think about good. Philadelphia's roster was a year
and a half ago and it was reeling. They were
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a mess. So coaching matters quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
They got a face in the first six weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Jordan Love, Caleb Williams, Lamar Jackson, Dylan Gabriel, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
That's three of the best four quarterbacks in the league
in the first six games for your new defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Okay, good luck, Lions.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Final story is the forty nine Ers Colin They brought
back former DC or Robert Salah this offseason.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They were brutal.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Last year, twenty eighth in scoring. Defense.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
George Kittle was on The Rich Eisen Show and talked
about the defense the side of the football. Here's George
Kittle's message on the Niners.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
He's really good at his job, and I'm really excited
that we somehow convinced them to be our defensive coordinator again.
Because he is, he knows what he's talking about, he's inspiring,
he gets the boys fired up. I'm pumped a hat
him back in the buildings. Just hanging out with him
a little bit, talking about stuff. You can just tell
he's he's ready to roll this year and he's gonna
get the boys fired up. Violence is coming, is what
I would say.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, I mean, I think everybody in the league when
the Jets fired saw what my take was. You just
let the best coach in the building leave, and you
were already babysitting that Hackett and it was a disaster.
That nothing against the guy that replaced him, but you know,
never let the best coach in the building.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Leave.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
That's almost always the rule. And it was not a
terribly strong staff because the OC was you know, came
with Aaron. So I think Saul is a great coach,
whether or not he's a head coach. I mean, everybody's
get second chances. He'll get this. I would give him
a second chance. I think he deserves it. But he's
an excellent defensive coach.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Well, they'll be the number one see in the NFC.
I think we both agree on that.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
They got brock Perdy in an easy schedule. Can they
win the Super Bowl? We'll see. I mean, no, I
think I think Niners. You have Rams bills. I think
I might have Niners bills in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Well, I have Rams Seahawks making the playoffs. I do
not have the Niners in the super Bowl. I think
that is sometimes I win these bets against you and
I see him coming a mile away.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You've got two months left to get off that horrible
Seahawks take. Right, Let's just move off that one quickly.
You know how you move off for real estate quickly.
You need to move off the Seattle Seahawks being a
playoff team next year.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's just not happening.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Let me tell you something. I already bought a couple
of jet skis with that those winnings. I got jet skis.
Do they let jet.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Skis go on Lake Chicago or whatever the lake is
called Lake Mi.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I just want to.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Brush up on Chicago.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
It's like your geography. You may want to brush up
on that a little. Jmax Lake Chicago. Okay, uh Jmack
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Speaker 1 (30:57):
Now, the odds for this one nit too closer, a
little more comfortable than people may suggest, So keep your
eye on that. And everybody's feeling good about themselves after that.
Five nothing lacking of Trinidad and Tobago, but keep your
eye on this one tonight. So sometimes I'm just flummixed
(31:23):
by something that I have always liked Kevin Durant as
a player. There's a story today that he wanted to
join both the Celtics and the Knicks in February at
the trade deadline, and neither was interested. Huh. I mean,
he's the number one rated jump shooter in the league.
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Only two guys in the league averaged twenty five points
and shot forty percent on threes, Jokic and KD. He's
not disruptive, he's a nice guy. He's respected by players.
He doesn't need the ball in his hands. I don't
get it. He didn't have a market and I was
thinking about that this morning. Is that all of us
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communicate beyond talking tone, body language who you hang out with.
And I think his messaging is bad. That's the only
thing that explains it. The best head coaches and general
managers prioritize winning for second and third, and I don't
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think KD has always prioritized that. He did briefly with
Golden State, that he got into his fields and left
and he wanted to just go hoop and have fun,
and people in the NBA have fun in your own
time want to win titles. I don't like his messaging.
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I love his game, you know, Jalen Brunson, whether it
was Villanova or the Knicks, he dies a little with
each loss. He is so competitive and he's got it
all lined up. And that's the only it's the only
thing I can make sense of this is that it's
it's so strange and people say, well, and he's going
to want a new contract. He's not getting a super max.
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He wants a couple of years. He's giving you twenty
five a night. He can defend you get length. He's
a bright player. He knows the game, he knows the
ins and outs. He's mostly healthy. It's a shooters league,
by the way. He'll get mid range. He can hit threes.
And with Brunson's game especially, you know, whoever plays with
Brunson can't need the ball a lot. You gotta be
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able to play off ball with Jalen Brunson. That's why
he and Luca weren't perfect, right, Like Kevin Durant is perfect.
He's the perfect player for him. But I think if
I said to you KD and I said word association,
you'd think Hooper wants to play with friends, wants to
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just ball, doesn't want to really lead. And that fair
or not. I think that's how people view him because
if you did put him on the Celtics tomorrow, you
could put him on the Knicks tomorrow. I don't get it.
Rick Buker talked about, you know, his lack of a
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dynamic market.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
It's not so much that teams don't want KD and
couldn't use KD as much as what are we going
to have to give up for him? And are we
going to have to extend him. The reason that you're
not seeing a more robust market for him is because
teams are looking at it and saying, I don't know
that within a year for what we might have to
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give up. The KD really moves the needle at this point.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
But I would add this, if you're hyper athletic like
Cam Newton, you tend to age very quickly. But if
it's about shooting and sort of basketball IQ shooting and
ball handling in length, those ages very well. That's why
I mean, if you look at Lebron James, he is athletic,
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but he's a great ball handler, one of the smartest
players ever. You know, Lebron doesn't defend like he used to.
But Kevin Durant's game, I think ages really really well.
He's not toxic. People like him. He's smart, he understands
the game. He can shoot. I don't know, like I
think Steph Curry is one of those guys you play
for a long time. I mean, Klay Thompson's still playing.
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He's a catch and shoot guy. Whereas a Westbrook is
bouncing team to team now because he was so hyper athletic.
When you lose that, it's like it's not the same player.
But the messaging matters. And I'll give you two examples. Sga,
he's kind of boring. The messaging is winning, Yokic screaming
at his teammates. The message winning, and we communicate with
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more than just words tone. Who are your friends? Who
are your allies? I was told this years ago by
it was somebody in Lebron's camp. Is a certain player's
name came up that that wanted to play with Lebron
(36:15):
and I I didn't love this player, but this player
was really, really talented, and he said, no, Lebron doesn't
want that guy that Lebron. Now, now Lebron was okay
with Westbrook briefly, but it was a player who was
in their prime. And I remember somebody in Lebron's camp saying, look,
Lebron didn't want that guy near his brand. And he's
(36:37):
he's still going to you know, he's still partying like Lebron.
He doesn't have any interest. They are the opposite personality,
the opposite guy. And that stuck with me. So also,
I'm not good look at that. Yeah, all right, Dodger
(36:59):
surpassed two million in fan attendants last night. Fourteenth sellout.
That's the Otani factor. By the way, it's selling out
on Wednesdays and Thursdays. I remember when a Rod went
to the Yankees. And remember he went to the Yankees
and they already had Jeter. It's like he was a shortstop.
People were saying a Rod revolutionized the game. They put
him at third. It's like he was good for baseball,
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he was good for business. A Rod got people to
the ballpark on a Tuesday night and a Wednesday night
and a Thursday night. That's the Otani factor. Is their
fourteenth sellout. Now, some of this is the Podreis is
their biggest rival. And we were talking about AJ Presenski
came on earlier and the Dodgers won with a walk
off last night. This rivalry is is. It is as
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even and as nasty as a rivalry in baseball can be.
And Aj Persensky an hour ago talked about it.
Speaker 9 (37:50):
Every team walks into a series with the Dodgers and
there are teams out there that go, we can't beat them,
Why are we even wasting our time? The Padres they
don't play like that. Mike Schill Manny Machado for tachis
all of these guys on the Padres, they don't play
like that. We ain't afraid of the Dodgers, So we're
gonna show you the Padres that want to show the
Dodgers we're not little brother anymore. We're not afraid of you.
We're gonna stand up for our guys. And that's how
(38:12):
you have to do it in today's game.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
You know, it is interesting with Otanni because he played
down with the Angels. But one of the reasons it
made sense to get a Rod with the Yankees because
in one hundred and sixty two games, a Rod and
Jeter together made the Yankee games feel like an event.
And I mean, listen, Freeman's great. Bets is great, but
it's Otawni that makes every Dodger game feel like an event.
(38:37):
Don't don't confuse Bets is an unbelievable player. He doesn't
make a Tuesday game. He's just great Otani. This is
the Caitlin Clark effect. She's not the best player in
the league. Caitlin Clark. Oh, you get tickets to a
Caitlin Clark game in Indiana. That is a big event.
Right now, I'm serious the game with Caitlin Clark in
(38:58):
it tonight, playing one the more physical teams in the
WNBA off that skirmish with Connecticut, honestly, to me feels
bigger or at least even with the NBA Finals game
in indianthonit. Caitlin Clark makes stuff feel like an event.
I mean, the Masters is already big, but when Rory
McElroy is going for his big win, the numbers explode,
(39:21):
like Okay, we're watching history here, so that is what
And again, there are a lot of good teams, like
the Detroit Lions are a really good team, but part
of what makes the Buffalo Bills games feel bigger is
Josh Allen. Josh Allen's like he'll do stuff that you
(39:43):
may never see in a football field. Again, that's what
Caitlin Clark's doing, That's what o'tanny's doing. And now you
add the scrum and the physicality and the flagrant and
the technicals as everybody's ramping up their defense. Rachel Nichols
talked about that with Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
We've seen Steph Curry that you mentioned beat up like
this for years. I mean, that is basically the game
plan against Steph Curry is just try to out physical
him and beat him up a little bit, because of
course can't match the skill level. So I think the
w has sort of taken a page from that. But
so far, you know, she's been able to handle everything
that's been thrown at her. I don't really worry about
(40:21):
her toughness. She might be her own enforcer, so we'll
just have to see.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
There's also another story with the Indiana Fever. Sophie Cunningham
obviously very appealing, tall, blonde, beautiful, an enforcer and her
jerseys just sold out yesterday. Fanatics said the Sophie Cunningham jerseys.
They brought her over like the Bulls did with Charles
Oakley to protect Michael Jordan. They brought her over as
(40:48):
an enforcer, and in this game she enforced. And what
I love about Sophie Cunningham she is leaning in to
all of it. The enforcer part, her appearance part. Let's
just be honest. That's that helps. That helps is Sophie
(41:09):
Cunningham is now a part of this thing. She's part
of this. She is part of this sort of event
feel not just the enforcer. How she dresses, she makes
sure the cameras are out. You ever noticed with Sophie Cunnan,
the camera's always it's just perfect. She comes into the arena,
I mean, come on, everybody knows what's going on here.
(41:31):
We're all grown ups, right her Social media people are like, yep,
Sophie'll be walking by in forty five minutes, make that twenty,
make that nine. Here she comes, boom, picture hits the internet.
We all know, we all know what's going on. We're
adults here, but it's a thing, and she is leaning
into it all right. J Mac my staff here is like,
(41:54):
what is where is he going? We're adults.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Heward coward unlike she Door Sanders, you need to pump
the rags, buddy, slow it down, all right on, Sophie
Cunning
Speaker 5 (42:06):
M hm
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