January 29, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin talks to 3-time Super Bowl Champion and Chiefs head coach Andy Reid about his win over the Bills and coaching Travis Kelce
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome in at Tower two Live in Los Angeles. It's
The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. I'm not
getting a haircut for the super Bowl. I'm letting it go.
You've never been to New Orleans. I'm not getting haircut.
It's gonna be. We're only different a couple of days,
but things are going to go. Sideway's real fast. And
if you over part five, Oh.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Listen, I.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Can't believe. We'll go out. We'll chop it up.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We'll hang with me. I know you got a lot
of other very important.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't I have a party on Wednesday. You're invited
to the volume time it?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Oh man? Dress codes for that?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Or?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Can I ten top appropriate wors?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
No visors, no tank top advisors. I don't own advisor. Yeah,
I used to wear advisors. Then I got married and
put a I literally was like, where did all my
visors go? I couldn't find my advisors. I was like,
I had like twelve visors, and all of a sudden,
like several years later, I must have left him in
a box. He said, no, I got rid of him.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Toss them. Yeah happens.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Your wife probably should do that to the tank tops.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Not happening, buddy.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You know, I was thinking about this. Whenever somebody gets
a job, it's not just what they do at the
new place, it's what happens to the old place. And
I'm going to talk about that in ten minutes. But
first I got to give you a couple of numbers
on Andy Reid. So we know that Andy Reid off
a bye's successful. Andy is thirty three and seven after
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a buye the Chiefs are since he's been there. I
mean that, I'm not sure if Nick Saban was that
good against Citadel at Alabama thirty three and seven. He's
made more playoff appearances than any coach in league history,
needs three more wins, and he's the winningest playoff coach ever.
And this weekend he had one of his best poker runs,
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saving the best plays for the right time, and Andy Reid,
coach in the Chiefs, is now joining us. Now you're
a humble guy, and so I'm gonna try to, by
the end of this get you for five seconds not
to be humble. But I'm not going to start there
because I have to massage this a little bit to
get you. So I'm gonna start with this one. So
I compared Mahomes to MJ. And we all watched MJ
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play and he was always great, and then you'd get
into these big game sevens or game sixes and it
was like, I'm not even sure Michael was listening to
Phil Jackson. He just went up and Mahomes averaged four
rushes a game, and then this week he's got eleven.
So did you coach that? Did you call that? Or
was that Mahomes just doing Hey, this sudden death. I
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gotta make stuff happen because he does this Andy in
games where he just he's the hulk, he just expands.
Did you think he'd run eleven times?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I wasn't thinking eleven times, Colin.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I mean, uh, but we did have a couple of
things in for him so he could he can get
out there and move. He enjoys doing that during the
playoffs and later in the season. So, uh, not recommended early.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So when you do a really good job of saving
your special play for the perfect moment. Now, I was thinking.
I was talking to a friend the other night. It
was an executive in the league, and I said, I'd
love to go back and look at Andy's first three
or four years as a coach. Did you when you
were young, when you had that special that big special play.
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Have you developed into a great poker player? Have you
always been that patient or is that something as a
coach that developed or or did you sneak it in
in the second quarter your second year coaching because you
knew you had something that was going to work. Has
that developed or is that always part of you?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well? I had a great teacher in Mike Holmgren, So
he always said, you.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Know, keep one more bullet in that gun there so
that you're ready to go and you've got it down
the stretch. These games are so close, so you want
to make sure you're.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Able to save something.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
I probably wasn't his patient though when I was younger,
but I was taught that at a young age.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, you guys played better against Buffalo. I thought your
first drive, urgency, efficiency, you attacked. I don't know if
you save your best for it, but it does feel
like Buffalo brings out the best in you when you
look over that film, do you feel.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
That, Yeah, I would say that it's turned into a
unique rivalry. I think Sean McDermott does a heck of
a job up there, and that team's well coached, and
so our players know that they know they're going to
get their going against a good football team. They've got
good talent and they're going to execute. They don't make
a whole lot of mistakes, and so you've got to
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be on your a game and that you know, we're
all in this for the competition, and these players are
so staking competitive they I think they thrive on that.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, So we all know that high school and college
coach is part of their job is to develop players.
But it's also part of your job. But sometimes in
the media and fans think, well, he's a pro player,
he doesn't need development. I think it's fascinating to watch
Xavier Worthy. So I watched them in college and I said,
when you picked him, I said, I think he's a
gadget guy. I'm not sure if he's a twelve catch
guy or twelve target guy. You have developed him over
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the season into a volume guy. Can you take me
through the process of that and is he what you envisioned?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Probably that in a little bit more. I was lucky
to have to Sean Jackson. So he and Deshaun are
the same body type. And sometimes you put the little
guys in a certain category, but.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
They listen.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
He he's done everything we've asked him to do, plus
a little bit more. And that's kind of where you
got to go with it, Colin. Some guys aren't willing
to do the things that we've asked him to do.
I think Hollywood has been a good example to him.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Case.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Hollywood's not the biggest guy either, but he wants to
do everything, and so that he comes up through that
room and has a good example there and has really
just stepped.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Up and gone.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
But you can be a great coach and teacher, but
if the players are not willing to do the things,
you know, it's not going to work.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
So he's so willing to do everything.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You're the best tackling team in the NFL. My buddy
John Middlikoff, former scout for the Eagles. You may know Johnny,
and John always says this team tackles better than any
team I can ever remember. Is that a SPAGS thing?
Is it a reality that you still have physical practices?
Not all teams that are talented tackle like you do.
Where does that come from?
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Yeah, I actually hired Middle Coast and anything. He says, good.
You know, it's a Homer deal. But he, uh, yeah,
Spg's does a great job. We work on a year round,
so it's uh. He doesn't miss a beat with that.
He has guys out there either tackling those giant donut
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things or they're tackling each other. So it's uh, but
it's uh, it's part of the game.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But I mean you always hear that.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
If you've played football, you've heard the coach say this
game is about blocking and tackling. Right, So you've got it,
and that's true. You've got to be able to do
both or you're not going to be very successful.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Some of your best players, Chris Jones and Travis Kelcey
among them, are older players. Many you know, Veach and
you have built a really nice layering system, excellent young
middle age and a couple of guys that are older.
Let's take Travis Kelcey. You're developing a Noah Gray. You're
developing I had I had theorized during the season. I said,
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I think they're trying to develop their receiving targets. Over
the course of a season. They'll get the Travis. They
know what they get from Travis. Do you coach Travis
a little differently just because of his age experience? You
know in the red lights on he'll be good. Do
you do you look at him differently than other players
on your team?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah, I'd probably say yes, to be honest with you,
because I've been around him for so much, so long,
and we've had my whole duration here and and drafted
him and so on, so I know, I kind of
know where he's at physically mentally, I know what he
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can do in games and and so we try to
utilize him. I also know what's around him, which helps
him because for a while there we were banged up
a little bit and guys were trying to learn, and
you know, he was being double teamed and that wasn't
as good for him.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
But Travis would be a heck of a football coach.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
He's able to get up there and explain things and
teach these young guys exactly what he sees and feels.
Not that they all have that same talent, but they
he he's got a good feel for the game.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Years ago I asked Pete Carroll I was sitting in
his office at USC and I said, what are you
proudest about about your team? And he said, I never
forget this. He said, you have to play nearly perfect
to beat this. He goes, we play so hard. We
play so hard. Now, this is where I'm going to
ask you not to be humble for ten seconds. I'll
never ask you this again. This is the only time.
If there was a room of great coaches and they
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were talking about Andy Reid and they said, here's Andy's
best quality with Andy's teams. What is the thing that
you want to be remembered for beyond trophies, but that
you're proud of and your team? And by the way,
it may be players and you, but but what matters
to you beyond the winning in your legacy?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Yeah, I think teaching, that's an important thing. Being honest
with the guys, trusting the guys. I think those are
all all things I think are important. I hope I'm
doing that part of it. So I would tell you
that those are probably the things that I'd look for.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, people will call you a great teacher. So Michael
Vick once told me, he said, with Andy, Andy, lets
you be you, but he coaches around what you can do. Now,
you've had mahomes now for so many years. Are you
coaching Patrick differently today in big games then you did
like four to five years ago.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yes, four or five years ago.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
He didn't have the same feel he's got for the
game now and wasn't as solid with all of his
surroundings there.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
In different options, So yeah, we do it different with
him now.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I have a lot of trust in him and what
he knows and what he can do at the line
of scrimmage, and he's very accurate with that.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
So it's definitely different.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Has he ever talked to in or out of something
on the sidelines when the cameras at CBS go on
and you're now it'll be at Fox when we have
the cameras on you. Has he ever talked to Inner
out of something late?
Speaker 7 (11:21):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Uh, but you know he'll have an idea, But normally
he just goes just call it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
You know, he just wants you to call. If he
wants you to call, what's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
And and uh, you know, he'll go run it. He
doesn't get into all that, but I ask him, what
do you like here? I have no problem with that.
Matt Naggey does a great job with that. So it's
we try to keep it as open as possible. And
as you know, you're a quarterback. Normally, if the quarterback
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likes something, it's going to get done.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah. The I know you've looked at the tape of Philadelphia.
It is a green wall of talent. They dudes, Andy,
maybe the only team you match up with all year,
and they have more Pro Bowl kind of level players.
What when you pop that tape in all your years,
what is the first thing that jumps out to you
with Philadelphia?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah, I tell you, their skill position and their D line.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Jumps out at you. They've got great scale, We've got
a quarterback that can deal it. Their offensive line is strong.
They've been banged.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
They were banged up a little bit, but they're strong. Uh.
And then that D line and their speed on the second.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Level, the linebacker level, and the in the back end with.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
The secondary shows up. Do you always done a nice
job there?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
He has? Do you envision how games are gonna go?
Do you have a sense like Buffalo if I said
to you, it's kind of kind of look like this,
like you came out attack Dog. I mean your first drive. Look,
I felt like it was kind of scripted a little bit,
but I can tell you'd seen something in the coverage
you went right after it. Do you have a sense
of what games look like before they happen or do
they develop and sometimes you just sit back, watch it
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develop and call it as it goes.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Normally this time of the year, Colin, you have a
pretty good idea of what teams are doing. They have
a pretty good idea of what you're doing. And it
allows really it allows your guys to go out and
play and play fast. And so I'm always telling the
guys that every step you take in the playoffs, the
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games get a little faster.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well, that's why, you know, it's not just an effort thing.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
It's that you've mastered kind of all these different schemes
that we've got in and you can play fast and
it goes that way both sides and special teams.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, I did a story at Essay this week and
I said, I I hope you don't retire. I mean,
I cannot imagine retirement. Even if you love golf, is
nearly this fun. Do you ever take a breath and go, damn,
this is fun? This is this is a good time.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah, no, absolutely, I mean I love doing what I'm doing.
And so.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
How many guys have there thirty two of us in
the whole world, and that have an opportunity to do this?
And then I'm around these kids. So I'm getting older,
losing my hair, no red hair left. And I go
out there and I'm with a group of guys that
are somewhere between twenty two and thirty five every day,
and they bring all his energy. So and if you're limping,
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they're gonna get after you and make fun of you,
you know, So I've got to try to stand up
straight and go right and do my thing.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It is great to see you. You look great, and
I'm so I know you gave us ten minutes and
you're busy as heck. And I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Coach, I appreciate you calling you investment.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Thank you, Andy Reid, coach of the Kansas City Chiefs.
How can you root against Andy Reid? How about that?
Listen to this three more playoff wins, and he's tied
with Belichick all time, and it felt like Belichick had
Brady for forty years. He's just starting this Mahomes thing.
It's just starting. They're really I would argue this year
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is the best version of kind of the not statistically,
but I do feel when I watched that game Sunday,
I really felt like, Man, Andy and Mahomes it is.
You get into a point, it feels a little magical.
It's a little Phil MJ whearing those big spots. They
both loved each other, they both trusted each other. They
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weren't competing. You know, when you get a relationship and
it starts and and he's got to teach him how
to do things, then you know, a great athlete may
push back a little. Now, it's just like they both
trust each other, they both know they're in it for
each other, and you're just watching something magical happen. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
I remember their first that first huge playoff game against
Tom Brady at Arrowhead Member Why and I was rooting
Chiefs heavily in that game, you know, because I didn't
like the Patriots as a Jets fan, and now I
find myself.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Rooting against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Whereas I'm but you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Colin those first two years with Mahomes and Hill, they
were amazing.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
They were an incredible watch. They weren't there five.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
They weren't nearly as good defensively.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
No, but they were fun to watch offensively for a
non Chiefs fan.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I remember, do you remember the day they traded Tyreek
Hill and people freaked out, Oh, it's over, and I
don't we should go find what I said that day?
My hair wasn't as great, but I remember saying, guys,
if you get five draft picks, five or six draft
picks for a receiver and they're good picks, you take it.
You abbed.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Now, anytime you have a divorce, you have to realize
the other person will succeed. When the when the Colts
let go of Peyton Manning, he was going to go
to Denver and win, but it was the time because
Andrew Luck was available. If Andrew Luck's not drafted, they
may not make the move. So anytime you make, like
if Miami moves Jimmy Butler, well he's gonna go to
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Golden State or wherever he goes, he will succeed. He'll
probably go to a better team that has draft picks
and players they can get back. Right, So, anytime you
get a divorce, and it could be this man and
woman divorce or a team divorce, you have to come
to terms with the person you're letting go is going
to succeed. Philadelphia knew when they let Andy go. They
didn't think he was going to go Instink. They knew
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hopefully he goes to the AFC. They wanted him out
of their conference. So you just have to come to
terms with, Okay, I'm getting divorced. They're gonna find somebody else.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And so who's the better coach in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The Patriots never scored touchdowns with Tom Brady in the
first quarter. Belichick's belief in that I always felt Belichick
the first quarter. He would feel you out right, he
would feel you out. Now he discombobulated McVeigh and the
Rams offense completely, but feel you out. I don't think
Andy's a feel out guy. I watched that first Buffalo
series like Andy is an attack mode.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
He's gonna be attacking the Eagles. We get that. So
the Chiefs had the better coach obviously, and the better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And the best coordinator.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So why would anybody pick the Eagles here?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Because the Eagles have a better O line D land combination,
and I like the Chiefs D line. When when you
have a great I look at I look at O
lines like bullpens. You do not have to have great
starting pitching. If you've got an elite setup guy and
two guys in the back end and I can't score
on you seventh inning on, I don't need to have
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Verlander in his prime or Kersh on his prime. When
you have an O line as good as Philadelphia, Jalen
Hurts doesn't have to be Mahomes. He doesn't have to
be that old. That's just like Jared Goff. I mean
Jared Goff. When you get him off his spot, he's
not great. How often is the office spot? So we
talk about it's very Joe Burrow getting the Bengals to
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the super Bowl with that O line is one of
the most underrated accomplishments ever. They had to win all
road games, they had a bad old line, and they
got to a super Bowl and a play from a
player two from winning. That's when you know Burrel specially.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
But the offensive line blew up at the most integral
point of the Super Bowl at the very end, Aaron
Donald just wrecking.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Well, well, when when did Mahomes get blown out? What
playoff game did Mahomes get blown out? The one he
was missing both tackles, So you cannot overcome a bad
old line. Now, Kansas City's on line because Humphreys the
best center in the game and Joe Tooney maybe the
most underrated offensive line that ever season. Did they move
the guy to left tackle? Now he's the leader that
left I mean, he's a leader everywhere. Toony's great.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
So I know you had a hot take one day
that the Eagles may not get to the red zone
that went viral. I know you were joking, obviously, but
do you have a score yet? For the gamers are
too early in the process, you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Know how I did Bill's Chiefs twenty eight twenty seven.
I think it feels I think it feels a little higher,
scoring higher than twenty I think I think it feels
thirty one twenty seven. Kansas City the favorite and over
or square bet. I told you I did not think
I'm watching Philadelphia Hammer Washington, and my take in the
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middle of that game was Buffalo is not beating this team.
There's no way Buffalo could stop the running game. Kansas
City will stop Philadelphia's run enough enough. They won't completely
blanket it, They'll slow it down enough, in my opinion,
to win you.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I'm waiting to see what they deal to Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
His rushing prop was like one thirty against Washington, and
of course it hit under because they were up by
a billion. I'm curious what the number is for saque, Like,
do you think they'll set it over one hunder yards?
I mean, he had an unbelievable season. I think you're
overrating the Chiefs defense a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Calin Oh. I don't think it's been great this year,
but I think they played differently in big spots. They
just rise spags with two weeks. They just when you
have the best coach and the best coordinator and I've
got two weeks. I mean, remember how how high flying
golf in the Rams were when they got to the
Super Bowl. It couldn't move the ball, it couldn't get first.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Downs yet three points, right, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Sixteen to three is well the probably the most boring
Super Bowl of all times, it was one more heard.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
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Speaker 1 (21:22):
So I was thinking about this, Jay mac kellen Moore
interviewed on Monday for the Saints. Everybody hired their coach
except the Saints, so they have to be waiting for
Kellen Moore. Otherwise, what are you waiting for? It's it's
you're getting the I mean, let's just be honest about
the Saints. You NFL owners, when you go cheap on
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mattresses or coaches, you will not sleep well. Jim Harbaugh
left San Francisco. What happened? It was a disaster. Sean
Payton leaves New Orleans. They've hammon egged it. You know what,
they are against playoff teams since he left, three fifty
four million over the cap, and now they don't have
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a coach and are going to get scraps in terms
of a staff. Like Judge said, USC has never been
as good since Pete Carroll left. They've never had a
defense that even looks like the USC defenses. Jimmy Johnson
twenty nine years ago, left the Cowboys. They've never met.
They've gone cheap on coaches, Like, you just can't go
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cheap on mattresses and coaches. You won't sleep well. You owners.
The Spanos family finally figured it out. They're like, let's
just go get Jim Rball. Literally thirty second defense to
first same players. So when you look at Sean Payton
could rub people the wrong way. They were the Aints
before he got there. They were a lot of you
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don't remember this. They were the laughing stock of the league.
I mean, I don't even know. There's nobody as bad
as they were. Caroline at least has a quarterback and
a coach we liked. They had nobody. He arrived first year,
not only a winning record. I think they got to
the NFC champion. I know they got to the playoffs
first year, and they had a couple of years when
they pulled back a little. But basically with Sean Payton,
they were always Super Bowl viable. He leaves, they're a
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mess again, three and twenty against playoff teams, a ton
over the cap, don't have a coach. Just the Bulls
never recovered from Phil Jackson, never recovered. Still out it recovered.
Just don't leave the best to somebody else. Just just
sign them. I know it's painful, but I mean the
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New York Giants four head coaches and two winning seasons
since Tom Comflin left. I mean, it's the Saints. Don't
they feel like they're much closer to the Aints than
they are to the Chiefs or Eagles.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
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Speaker 7 (23:52):
All right, Let's start with Mahomes looking to get his
fourth career Super Bowl, this his fifth of the Chiefs
take on the Eagles next Sunday on Fox. With a win,
he would just be three shy of Tom Brady's seven rings.
And of course this means the goat debate, and Julian Edelman,
friend of the Show, has weighed in on the debate.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
The argument's gangle closer.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
I mean, if he goes out in three peats, it's
gonna get closer. But I think that the differential and
the difference is Tom had three different Hall of Fame careers.
We haven't seen any crazy adversity for this Kansas City
Chiefs team. There's gonna be a time where Travis ain't there.
There's gonna be a time where Chris Jones ain't gonna
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be there, And then I think that's when you start
evaluating Patrick on if he's gonna get to where Tom's at.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
But he's well on his way.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Brady will always have something over Mahomes. He beat him
head to head of the Arrowhead, he crushed him in
a Super Bowl. Mahomes can never do that to Tom.
And Tom also left a great coach first year, won
a Super Bowl in Tampa. So there are certain things
that can never be erased from this argument. Tom beat
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him in Arrowhead, scored, didn't even leave him a chance
for the ball, crushed him in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, well the rules have changed since that. Now.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
By the way, if you want a classic game, oh
my gosh, how good was that game? I can still
remember where I was Brady versus Mahomes in Arrowhead that
playoff game, because remember they totally shut down Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Belichick cooked up some amazing stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Remember the first half though it looked like if you
recall Kansas City got off to the big start, okay.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
But that at overtime, like I can't really hear Mahome
still has like at least, what is he twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
He's got like at least five more years, but he'll
he'll never end. He'll never roast Brady in the Super Bowl.
He'll never beat Tom.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Does he need to.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I think those are things that Tom will always have.
And I also think we have to credit Tom for
going to Tampa and winning first year. That team was
seven and five for twelve games. He's screaming at guys
in Chicago, Brady, I think Edelman. Brady has three careers
and crushed in all of them.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, so what are you saying Brady cannot be top?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
No, I mean if he won twelve Super Bowls. But
what I'm saying is there are things built into the
that rivalry that there's nothing tong there's nothing Mahomes can
do to surpass. Because I think Mahomes will end his
career in Kansas City. I think Andy's got like four
more years left, and I think Andy, you'll hit about
seventy and be done. And I think Mahomes will probably
get one more coach in Kansas City, and then at
(26:34):
some point because the players now make so much money
that Mahomes doesn't need to go to the Chargers or
the Saints, or he'll he'll packet it hit. He's got
a big life.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
We built out of first seven seasons as a starter. Well,
Mahomes versus Brady, and that's a little unfair because Brady
was a game manager.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
He was a sixth round pick.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Yeah, I mean all Mahomes hasn't But again, yeah, I
don't you know, it is interesting Mahomes the first seven
seasons he's played like this is and by the way,
by the way, that's a career for ninety nine per quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So you're looking at Brady and Mahomes for the television audience.
I apologize there's a lot of numbers on the screen
for the radio audience, but the Brady and Holmes. Your
initial belief, if you wouldn't have seen these numbers, would
have been, Oh, Mahomes is way up here and Brady's
down here. It took a while for Brady to get cooking. Now, actually,
when you look at it, Brady and Mahomes are almost
(27:25):
dead even through seven years. And what was remarkable about
Tom is he got better after this. Yeah, So you
would have thought if you would have told me for
seven seasons, ninety percent of our audience would have thought, yeah,
Mahomes has crushed him in the first seven and as
great as Mahomes and Ridar. This tells you Tom was
a lot better early than anybody wants to admit.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Well, that goes to Edelman's point about different careers, because
Brady was a gay manager, just handing them all off,
taking dunk early.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
His first Super Bowl. Tom was doing more than managing,
but he was largely I think that the first Super
Bowl was Tom We're gonna ask him to make about
five six big plays, but this defense special teams in
coaching is better than the rest.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Of the all the clutch throws.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Then, I thought by the next year and the year
after that, Tom had asserted himself as I don't.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Know again, you probably remember this better than I was
still a bit of a young guy, being an idiot.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
In New York City.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
I wasn't as locked in all seventeen weeks as I
am now.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I remember Brady officially making.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
The jump when he got Randy Moss. That's when it
was like, oh my gosh, no, no, fucket Brady. I mean,
he had already want to buy.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
He was great before that. He broke records with Randy right,
but he was great before.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
He was great before that when he was like, you
know what, I.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Remember some of my first memories of Brady because there
were a lot of great quarterbacks when he broke into
the league. There were a lot of guys. One of
the first memories of him was I thought he was
he threw such a good ball in crappy weather games,
because nobody ever thought because Brady the pictures had come
out that he wasn't that impressive physically in the like
(29:00):
that stuff's like thirty years old, twenty forty time. Yeah,
And I remember I was thinking, nobody ever mentioned Brady
as having a great arm. That was never discussed. There
were so many other guys in the league. And I
remember it was watching crappy weather games in Foxborough, like
in December, and I'd be like, dude, his ball cuts
through wind. I mean, I lived out there for a while,
(29:22):
but it I don't know, it just I That was
one of my first memories. Was this dude's bigger with
a way better arm than he gets credit for because
he wasn't an ad livery. He's not like Cam Newton
rolling right throwing at seventy yards. Everything was from the pocket.
It was designed and they did a lot of stuff
that was underneath bubble screams. They were ahead of the
curve a little bit. They were created. They didn't rely
(29:44):
on time. Moss was the first time you saw Tom's
arm straight, like, oh, they're going deep a lot. But
one of my first impressions was he was more physically
gifted than people gave him credit.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
I feel like this is going to be a Jordan
Lebron debate that's gonna span decades.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Who do you think to go?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Brady Mahomes And.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
It isn't just stacking stats and accolades, if there's more
than that, as there is with Jordan Rus Lebron. Next
up is the New York Giants Colin they got the
third overall pick in the draft obviously need a quarterback
because Daniel Jones is not there anymore. There is no
guarantee a top quarterback will be there at three.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Now.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
We talked about Daniel Jeremiah's mock earlier. He claims there
will be a quarterback there. We'll see Titans and Browns
are taken to top two picks.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
GM.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Joe Shane of the Giants says they're open to anything,
and then he knows we're gonna get a good player
at three.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Do you think they land a quarterback Colin because if.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
They don't, we can already start doing a coaching search
for the New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Jianks are taking a quarterback next issue. Now, if Sam
Darnold would have never played in New York, I think
they go after him. But he has. It didn't work.
They won't even though it was another team. They want
final story. Now this you know again.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
I'm driving into work and I'm cooking up trade ideas
for Darren Fox. I'm like, oh, Cowhardt's probably gonna have stuff.
This is interesting as hell, man. So the Kings are
expected to open talks and trade their star point guard,
their best player, sorry Simonus. Fox has one year left
on his deal and indications are he is not gonna
(31:12):
sign long term in Sacramento. Now, Fox is a tremendous talent.
He only has one playoff appearance, at tough loss to
the Warriors. He's one All NBA guy, one All Star appearance.
He's repped by Clutch Sports and Rich Paul, and everybody
knows that that's gonna instantly draw the Lakers in. There
is a reporter who says the Lakers are not an option,
(31:32):
and dearon Fox reportedly wants to play with Victor Women Yama,
don't blame Hi san Antonio.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I don't blame him at all. Who would you want.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
To play with?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I would probably say Lebron, Oh, give me a break,
and now.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
The best player in the history of the sport. Yeah,
I would take a chance playing with him, and then
maybe get.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
JJ Reddick going, hey, we got to switch you tonight.
Brownie needs some minutes.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I thought you weren't going to talk about that guy.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Oh, you're right, So let me ask you.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
I'm gonna give you a sleeper. Deer Fox is from Houston. Okay,
Houston Rockets are number two in the West. They need,
They've got a lot of pieces, but they need they need.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Now that's a good because Houston could make a move
with anybody because they got so many good young and picks.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
And then the other sleep Are you ready Miami Heat
who have bam Adebayo who played with deeron Fox.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Can you imagine Jimmy Butler getting shipped of sack Town.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Well, he's not gonna accept that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
He's not gonna do it. I don't think the Houston
wants him, though, I'd be careful about that. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Well, we'll see they're very good, but if they lose
in the first or second round, hey, we don't have
a superstar. I think Fox is a superstar. I don't
know where you land on that. I just love his game,
his demeanor. He's like a hero in Sacramento, good guy
in the community, just at all over everybody likes.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
He'mart, thoughtful guy.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, young in his prime.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
I mean, if the Lakers can get him, I'm I
would consider parting with with my guys.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Why would he want to go to What do the
La Lakers have to get him?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Well, Austin reeves and picks.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You make you always think the Lakers talent is so
much better than it is. Oh God, everybody's looking for
Dalton connect. Could he defend that last night? You can score?
Dalton can score. He can shoot. He almost had an
interesting alley you. I watched the whole game.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
He's a bucket. I likes I like the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
You know, you know it in the West. You know
why you like the Lakers. Please tell me nobody plays defense.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I'm a lockdown defender.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
D yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
And the other thing is Fox needs the ball he does. Okay,
he needs to r on the offense. The Lakers tried
that once. Do you remember that with Westbrook? Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Please, don't compare Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
No, im but but but by the way Bolter Westbrooks
get into the Hall of Fame. Lebron isn't necessarily great
with a guy that needs the ball in his hands.
That's a fair point. So you go ahead, the Lakers.
You think you're gonna get Fox for Austin Reeves and
a bunch of second round pick.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
They got it. They got one more for round pick.
And then Ruyt Moore, who's in high demand around who
who let me just let me cook?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Okay, come on, I mean, I've never talked to a
GM in the NBA at lunch and they said, let
me tell you. The first thing I want to say
is Ruey Hachama. We are all in. He's a throwing
piece in a trade. He's fine, but he's a throw
in piece. I'm coming off as negative guy today. Who
I am very negative on them?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Who you've been talking to, Barkley, is that who one
of your dinner mates are? Is the guy who just
takes shots at the Lakers left and right.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I don't take shots at them, but you've overvalued their talent.
So the only guy or you're down here, The only
guy I love is Anthony Davis. You don't like him?
You got Dalton connect is Bernard King. I mean you've
got this thing like, what game are you watching? J
Mack with the News?
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Speaker 1 (36:20):
So you know, I was thinking about this. Woody Johnson
owns the Jets, and he was talking about this yesterday
that he needs to be a better owner, and he does.
This is I don't think this is a coincidence. I
think the NFL succeeds in places that care. I think
it succeeds in Baltimore Kansas City, Green Bay, they care.
(36:45):
I think San Francisco cares. Philadelphia is a big city,
but the Eagles are never lost. They are front page.
And I remember going to a Super Bowl in New
York one time and you couldn't tell you didn't see
any Super Bowl hats that the Seahawks were in it,
because I had friends from where I grew up in
my small town in the coast of Washington were there,
the Jones family, And I remember saying, Oh, such a bummer,
(37:06):
you're going to this super Bowl. Because usually you go
to a city and they like New Orleans, you will
know how important the Saints are and how important pro
football is to the community. You will feel it. But
both New York teams in the last eight years have
the two worst records, the two worst point differentials, and
(37:27):
the two worst offenses. It's pathetic. Now in baseball, it
feels like the city cares. The Yankees matter. The Mets,
as futile as they are, they matter a lot. In
the NBA, Michael Jordan and Kobe often save their greatest
performances for playing at the Garden, and Minnesota went into
(37:48):
the Garden recently put on a show all the celebrities
in the first couple of rows. New York feels special
for basketball, it feels special for baseball. It doesn't. I
was telling Jmack during the break, if I was a
free agent, I wouldn't even consider New York. It just
doesn't feel big. The stadium MetLife, which has no life.
Met Life's over in Jersey in a weird sort of
(38:10):
entertainment stadium venue that's cold and windy and not memorable,
and it's just it's it's it's funny. I don't think
it's a coincidence. Usually New York teams get it right
because they have such advantages financially. I mean the Yankees,
you know, they had a down year this year, they
made the World Series. The Mets. Eventually they find Steve Cohen,
(38:33):
they get some owner. Will Pond's out Cohen in they
got big money. It matters to New York, and I
think there's some loyal fans. But I've never been in
New York and felt like, yeah, as a football city.
I I it's just it's remarkable. It's cold, it's expensive.
It feels like a baseball NBA city. They're poorly run,
they're they're poorly owned. They've been mostly poorly coached. And
(38:56):
here here's what he Johnson talking. You know, he says
he's got to be a better owner.
Speaker 9 (39:01):
Absolutely, I have to look in the mirror and write
and I have to be a better better out There
was a lot of exaggeration, hypro believe you know there
really was. Yeah, yeah, and you you really have to
take all that stuff with the grand of salms because
you don't know how what nobody knows how.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I'm going to it. Yes, I I want Aaron Glenn
to coach the team.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I want to.
Speaker 9 (39:22):
I want the general manager to matters the the assets
and the on the players, and I'll be I'll take
the nurse position.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
But it's interesting because la is a huge city, but
so far as a palace. Uh, We've got two unbelievable
all time coaches. Game days are amazing because the winter
weather is you know, it's incredible out Mediterranean. But it's
you know, I don't know, is Brick Johnson gonna make
some changes in the front office? Their kids? Am I
(39:51):
picking on kids today? Is that what I'm doing is
that the show today? Is that the theme today on
the show. But it's funny you weren't and I were
talking during the break is if I was a free agent,
there's nothing to try about New York. I gotta I
gotta go live in Jersey. The weather's bad in the winter.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Well that's oh, excuse me. You're hyping Chicago as a destination.
The weather's got way.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Worse than the way that city loves it's pro football.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
True.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Listen, man, if you're twenty five years old and making
a million dollars a year living in New York.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
City, it doesn't get much better than that.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Now.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
I know a lot of the Jets players live in
Jersey to avoid the distractions.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, so you could talk to Sanchez about that. In
Sam Darnold, That's.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Where the facilities at. That's where the stadiums. That's what
you you act like, Oh, I'm in New York not
you live in Jersey life, But stadiums there, the practice
facility is there. That's where everybody lives. True.
Speaker 7 (40:37):
But in the winter when it's crappy, you're playing football
and locked in, not going out as much.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
In the spring in New York City, oh my.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
Goodness, there may not be a better city in America
in the New York City in the spring, it is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
You live in la in the spring, you go to
the beach in New York in the spring. Maybe you
go playing volleyball in Manhattan Beach in the spring. In
New York, I just want to say, all right, no,
But I mean, seriously, you talk about, oh, it's New York.
The stadium's in Jersey. Yeah, practice facilities in Jersey. All
the players live in Jersey. That's not a New York life.
So my first job out.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
Of college was working at a newspaper in Jersey, like
nine miles from the GW Bridge, and I hated life.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I lived in Jersey. It's called Hackensack, and.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
I would just go into the city every weekend and
it was amazing, and I was like, I got to
get to the city. Finally I get into the city,
and I couldn't afford it. So I was like living
off credit cards, which is not smart. But then I
met a girl who was able to carry me. Now
she's the wife. But bottom line is, you need to
get into the city. I don't think living in Jersey
makes sense as a player. For you, weekends were off
(41:42):
for you. For a pro athlete, that's when they were
Now I understand in New York City is not worth
me taking a deal with. That's when the models go out,
the bars and a lounges pop and I last eight years.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
This is the bottom of the league. That's a fact. Yes,
that's not even arguable. I just I don't think there's
any mystique or a lord in New York. You're living
in Jersey, you're playing in Jersey.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome in at Tower two Live in Los Angeles. It's
The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. I'm not
getting a haircut for the super Bowl. I'm letting it go.
You've never been to New Orleans. I'm not getting haircut.
It's gonna be. We're only different a couple of days,
but things are going to go. Sideway's real fast. And
if you over part five, Oh.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Listen, I.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Can't believe. We'll go out. We'll chop it up.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We'll hang with me. I know you got a lot
of other very important.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't I have a party on Wednesday. You're invited
to the volume time it?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Oh man? Dress codes for that?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Or?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Can I ten top appropriate wors?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
No visors, no tank top advisors. I don't own advisor. Yeah,
I used to wear advisors. Then I got married and
put a I literally was like, where did all my
visors go? I couldn't find my advisors. I was like,
I had like twelve visors, and all of a sudden,
like several years later, I must have left him in
a box. He said, no, I got rid of him.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Toss them. Yeah happens.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Your wife probably should do that to the tank tops.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Not happening, buddy.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You know, I was thinking about this. Whenever somebody gets
a job, it's not just what they do at the
new place, it's what happens to the old place. And
I'm going to talk about that in ten minutes. But
first I got to give you a couple of numbers
on Andy Reid. So we know that Andy Reid off
a bye's successful. Andy is thirty three and seven after
(01:52):
a buye the Chiefs are since he's been there. I
mean that, I'm not sure if Nick Saban was that
good against Citadel at Alabama thirty three and seven. He's
made more playoff appearances than any coach in league history,
needs three more wins, and he's the winningest playoff coach ever.
And this weekend he had one of his best poker runs,
(02:13):
saving the best plays for the right time, and Andy Reid,
coach in the Chiefs, is now joining us. Now you're
a humble guy, and so I'm gonna try to, by
the end of this get you for five seconds not
to be humble. But I'm not going to start there
because I have to massage this a little bit to
get you. So I'm gonna start with this one. So
I compared Mahomes to MJ. And we all watched MJ
(02:36):
play and he was always great, and then you'd get
into these big game sevens or game sixes and it
was like, I'm not even sure Michael was listening to
Phil Jackson. He just went up and Mahomes averaged four
rushes a game, and then this week he's got eleven.
So did you coach that? Did you call that? Or
was that Mahomes just doing Hey, this sudden death. I
(03:00):
gotta make stuff happen because he does this Andy in
games where he just he's the hulk, he just expands.
Did you think he'd run eleven times?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I wasn't thinking eleven times, Colin.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I mean, uh, but we did have a couple of
things in for him so he could he can get
out there and move. He enjoys doing that during the
playoffs and later in the season. So, uh, not recommended early.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So when you do a really good job of saving
your special play for the perfect moment. Now, I was thinking.
I was talking to a friend the other night. It
was an executive in the league, and I said, I'd
love to go back and look at Andy's first three
or four years as a coach. Did you when you
were young, when you had that special that big special play.
(03:51):
Have you developed into a great poker player? Have you
always been that patient or is that something as a
coach that developed or or did you sneak it in
in the second quarter your second year coaching because you
knew you had something that was going to work. Has
that developed or is that always part of you?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well? I had a great teacher in Mike Holmgren, So
he always said, you.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Know, keep one more bullet in that gun there so
that you're ready to go and you've got it down
the stretch. These games are so close, so you want
to make sure you're.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Able to save something.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
I probably wasn't his patient though when I was younger,
but I was taught that at a young age.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, you guys played better against Buffalo. I thought your
first drive, urgency, efficiency, you attacked. I don't know if
you save your best for it, but it does feel
like Buffalo brings out the best in you when you
look over that film, do you feel.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
That, Yeah, I would say that it's turned into a
unique rivalry. I think Sean McDermott does a heck of
a job up there, and that team's well coached, and
so our players know that they know they're going to
get their going against a good football team. They've got
good talent and they're going to execute. They don't make
a whole lot of mistakes, and so you've got to
(05:06):
be on your a game and that you know, we're
all in this for the competition, and these players are
so staking competitive they I think they thrive on that.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, So we all know that high school and college
coach is part of their job is to develop players.
But it's also part of your job. But sometimes in
the media and fans think, well, he's a pro player,
he doesn't need development. I think it's fascinating to watch
Xavier Worthy. So I watched them in college and I said,
when you picked him, I said, I think he's a
gadget guy. I'm not sure if he's a twelve catch
guy or twelve target guy. You have developed him over
(05:38):
the season into a volume guy. Can you take me
through the process of that and is he what you envisioned?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Probably that in a little bit more. I was lucky
to have to Sean Jackson. So he and Deshaun are
the same body type. And sometimes you put the little
guys in a certain category, but.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
They listen.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
He he's done everything we've asked him to do, plus
a little bit more. And that's kind of where you
got to go with it, Colin. Some guys aren't willing
to do the things that we've asked him to do.
I think Hollywood has been a good example to him.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Case.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Hollywood's not the biggest guy either, but he wants to
do everything, and so that he comes up through that
room and has a good example there and has really
just stepped.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Up and gone.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
But you can be a great coach and teacher, but
if the players are not willing to do the things,
you know, it's not going to work.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
So he's so willing to do everything.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You're the best tackling team in the NFL. My buddy
John Middlikoff, former scout for the Eagles. You may know Johnny,
and John always says this team tackles better than any
team I can ever remember. Is that a SPAGS thing?
Is it a reality that you still have physical practices?
Not all teams that are talented tackle like you do.
Where does that come from?
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Yeah, I actually hired Middle Coast and anything. He says, good.
You know, it's a Homer deal. But he, uh, yeah,
Spg's does a great job. We work on a year round,
so it's uh. He doesn't miss a beat with that.
He has guys out there either tackling those giant donut
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things or they're tackling each other. So it's uh, but
it's uh, it's part of the game.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But I mean you always hear that.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
If you've played football, you've heard the coach say this
game is about blocking and tackling. Right, So you've got it,
and that's true. You've got to be able to do
both or you're not going to be very successful.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Some of your best players, Chris Jones and Travis Kelcey
among them, are older players. Many you know, Veach and
you have built a really nice layering system, excellent young
middle age and a couple of guys that are older.
Let's take Travis Kelcey. You're developing a Noah Gray. You're
developing I had I had theorized during the season. I said,
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I think they're trying to develop their receiving targets. Over
the course of a season. They'll get the Travis. They
know what they get from Travis. Do you coach Travis
a little differently just because of his age experience? You
know in the red lights on he'll be good. Do
you do you look at him differently than other players
on your team?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah, I'd probably say yes, to be honest with you,
because I've been around him for so much, so long,
and we've had my whole duration here and and drafted
him and so on, so I know, I kind of
know where he's at physically mentally, I know what he
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can do in games and and so we try to
utilize him. I also know what's around him, which helps
him because for a while there we were banged up
a little bit and guys were trying to learn, and
you know, he was being double teamed and that wasn't
as good for him.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
But Travis would be a heck of a football coach.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
He's able to get up there and explain things and
teach these young guys exactly what he sees and feels.
Not that they all have that same talent, but they
he he's got a good feel for the game.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Years ago I asked Pete Carroll I was sitting in
his office at USC and I said, what are you
proudest about about your team? And he said, I never
forget this. He said, you have to play nearly perfect
to beat this. He goes, we play so hard. We
play so hard. Now, this is where I'm going to
ask you not to be humble for ten seconds. I'll
never ask you this again. This is the only time.
If there was a room of great coaches and they
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were talking about Andy Reid and they said, here's Andy's
best quality with Andy's teams. What is the thing that
you want to be remembered for beyond trophies, but that
you're proud of and your team? And by the way,
it may be players and you, but but what matters
to you beyond the winning in your legacy?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Yeah, I think teaching, that's an important thing. Being honest
with the guys, trusting the guys. I think those are
all all things I think are important. I hope I'm
doing that part of it. So I would tell you
that those are probably the things that I'd look for.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, people will call you a great teacher. So Michael
Vick once told me, he said, with Andy, Andy, lets
you be you, but he coaches around what you can do. Now,
you've had mahomes now for so many years. Are you
coaching Patrick differently today in big games then you did
like four to five years ago.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yes, four or five years ago.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
He didn't have the same feel he's got for the
game now and wasn't as solid with all of his
surroundings there.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
In different options, So yeah, we do it different with
him now.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I have a lot of trust in him and what
he knows and what he can do at the line
of scrimmage, and he's very accurate with that.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
So it's definitely different.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Has he ever talked to in or out of something
on the sidelines when the cameras at CBS go on
and you're now it'll be at Fox when we have
the cameras on you. Has he ever talked to Inner
out of something late?
Speaker 7 (11:21):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Uh, but you know he'll have an idea, But normally
he just goes just call it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
You know, he just wants you to call. If he
wants you to call, what's on your mind?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
And and uh, you know, he'll go run it. He
doesn't get into all that, but I ask him, what
do you like here? I have no problem with that.
Matt Naggey does a great job with that. So it's
we try to keep it as open as possible. And
as you know, you're a quarterback. Normally, if the quarterback
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likes something, it's going to get done.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah. The I know you've looked at the tape of Philadelphia.
It is a green wall of talent. They dudes, Andy,
maybe the only team you match up with all year,
and they have more Pro Bowl kind of level players.
What when you pop that tape in all your years,
what is the first thing that jumps out to you
with Philadelphia?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah, I tell you, their skill position and their D line.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Jumps out at you. They've got great scale, We've got
a quarterback that can deal it. Their offensive line is strong.
They've been banged.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
They were banged up a little bit, but they're strong. Uh.
And then that D line and their speed on the second.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Level, the linebacker level, and the in the back end with.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
The secondary shows up. Do you always done a nice
job there?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
He has? Do you envision how games are gonna go?
Do you have a sense like Buffalo if I said
to you, it's kind of kind of look like this,
like you came out attack Dog. I mean your first drive. Look,
I felt like it was kind of scripted a little bit,
but I can tell you'd seen something in the coverage
you went right after it. Do you have a sense
of what games look like before they happen or do
they develop and sometimes you just sit back, watch it
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develop and call it as it goes.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Normally this time of the year, Colin, you have a
pretty good idea of what teams are doing. They have
a pretty good idea of what you're doing. And it
allows really it allows your guys to go out and
play and play fast. And so I'm always telling the
guys that every step you take in the playoffs, the
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games get a little faster.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well, that's why, you know, it's not just an effort thing.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
It's that you've mastered kind of all these different schemes
that we've got in and you can play fast and
it goes that way both sides and special teams.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, I did a story at Essay this week and
I said, I I hope you don't retire. I mean,
I cannot imagine retirement. Even if you love golf, is
nearly this fun. Do you ever take a breath and go, damn,
this is fun? This is this is a good time.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah, no, absolutely, I mean I love doing what I'm doing.
And so.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
How many guys have there thirty two of us in
the whole world, and that have an opportunity to do this?
And then I'm around these kids. So I'm getting older,
losing my hair, no red hair left. And I go
out there and I'm with a group of guys that
are somewhere between twenty two and thirty five every day,
and they bring all his energy. So and if you're limping,
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they're gonna get after you and make fun of you,
you know, So I've got to try to stand up
straight and go right and do my thing.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It is great to see you. You look great, and
I'm so I know you gave us ten minutes and
you're busy as heck. And I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Coach, I appreciate you calling you investment.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Thank you, Andy Reid, coach of the Kansas City Chiefs.
How can you root against Andy Reid? How about that?
Listen to this three more playoff wins, and he's tied
with Belichick all time, and it felt like Belichick had
Brady for forty years. He's just starting this Mahomes thing.
It's just starting. They're really I would argue this year
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is the best version of kind of the not statistically,
but I do feel when I watched that game Sunday,
I really felt like, Man, Andy and Mahomes it is.
You get into a point, it feels a little magical.
It's a little Phil MJ whearing those big spots. They
both loved each other, they both trusted each other. They
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weren't competing. You know, when you get a relationship and
it starts and and he's got to teach him how
to do things, then you know, a great athlete may
push back a little. Now, it's just like they both
trust each other, they both know they're in it for
each other, and you're just watching something magical happen. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
I remember their first that first huge playoff game against
Tom Brady at Arrowhead Member Why and I was rooting
Chiefs heavily in that game, you know, because I didn't
like the Patriots as a Jets fan, and now I
find myself.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Rooting against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Whereas I'm but you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Colin those first two years with Mahomes and Hill, they
were amazing.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
They were an incredible watch. They weren't there five.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
They weren't nearly as good defensively.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
No, but they were fun to watch offensively for a
non Chiefs fan.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I remember, do you remember the day they traded Tyreek
Hill and people freaked out, Oh, it's over, and I
don't we should go find what I said that day?
My hair wasn't as great, but I remember saying, guys,
if you get five draft picks, five or six draft
picks for a receiver and they're good picks, you take it.
You abbed.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Now, anytime you have a divorce, you have to realize
the other person will succeed. When the when the Colts
let go of Peyton Manning, he was going to go
to Denver and win, but it was the time because
Andrew Luck was available. If Andrew Luck's not drafted, they
may not make the move. So anytime you make, like
if Miami moves Jimmy Butler, well he's gonna go to
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Golden State or wherever he goes, he will succeed. He'll
probably go to a better team that has draft picks
and players they can get back. Right, So, anytime you
get a divorce, and it could be this man and
woman divorce or a team divorce, you have to come
to terms with the person you're letting go is going
to succeed. Philadelphia knew when they let Andy go. They
didn't think he was going to go Instink. They knew
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hopefully he goes to the AFC. They wanted him out
of their conference. So you just have to come to
terms with, Okay, I'm getting divorced. They're gonna find somebody else.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And so who's the better coach in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The Patriots never scored touchdowns with Tom Brady in the
first quarter. Belichick's belief in that I always felt Belichick
the first quarter. He would feel you out right, he
would feel you out. Now he discombobulated McVeigh and the
Rams offense completely, but feel you out. I don't think
Andy's a feel out guy. I watched that first Buffalo
series like Andy is an attack mode.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
He's gonna be attacking the Eagles. We get that. So
the Chiefs had the better coach obviously, and the better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And the best coordinator.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So why would anybody pick the Eagles here?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Because the Eagles have a better O line D land combination,
and I like the Chiefs D line. When when you
have a great I look at I look at O
lines like bullpens. You do not have to have great
starting pitching. If you've got an elite setup guy and
two guys in the back end and I can't score
on you seventh inning on, I don't need to have
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Verlander in his prime or Kersh on his prime. When
you have an O line as good as Philadelphia, Jalen
Hurts doesn't have to be Mahomes. He doesn't have to
be that old. That's just like Jared Goff. I mean
Jared Goff. When you get him off his spot, he's
not great. How often is the office spot? So we
talk about it's very Joe Burrow getting the Bengals to
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the super Bowl with that O line is one of
the most underrated accomplishments ever. They had to win all
road games, they had a bad old line, and they
got to a super Bowl and a play from a
player two from winning. That's when you know Burrel specially.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
But the offensive line blew up at the most integral
point of the Super Bowl at the very end, Aaron
Donald just wrecking.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Well, well, when when did Mahomes get blown out? What
playoff game did Mahomes get blown out? The one he
was missing both tackles, So you cannot overcome a bad
old line. Now, Kansas City's on line because Humphreys the
best center in the game and Joe Tooney maybe the
most underrated offensive line that ever season. Did they move
the guy to left tackle? Now he's the leader that
left I mean, he's a leader everywhere. Toony's great.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
So I know you had a hot take one day
that the Eagles may not get to the red zone
that went viral. I know you were joking, obviously, but
do you have a score yet? For the gamers are
too early in the process, you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Know how I did Bill's Chiefs twenty eight twenty seven.
I think it feels I think it feels a little higher,
scoring higher than twenty I think I think it feels
thirty one twenty seven. Kansas City the favorite and over
or square bet. I told you I did not think
I'm watching Philadelphia Hammer Washington, and my take in the
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middle of that game was Buffalo is not beating this team.
There's no way Buffalo could stop the running game. Kansas
City will stop Philadelphia's run enough enough. They won't completely
blanket it, They'll slow it down enough, in my opinion,
to win you.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I'm waiting to see what they deal to Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
His rushing prop was like one thirty against Washington, and
of course it hit under because they were up by
a billion. I'm curious what the number is for saque, Like,
do you think they'll set it over one hunder yards?
I mean, he had an unbelievable season. I think you're
overrating the Chiefs defense a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Calin Oh. I don't think it's been great this year,
but I think they played differently in big spots. They
just rise spags with two weeks. They just when you
have the best coach and the best coordinator and I've
got two weeks. I mean, remember how how high flying
golf in the Rams were when they got to the
Super Bowl. It couldn't move the ball, it couldn't get first.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Downs yet three points, right, I think.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Sixteen to three is well the probably the most boring
Super Bowl of all times, it was one more heard.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
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Speaker 1 (21:22):
So I was thinking about this, Jay mac kellen Moore
interviewed on Monday for the Saints. Everybody hired their coach
except the Saints, so they have to be waiting for
Kellen Moore. Otherwise, what are you waiting for? It's it's
you're getting the I mean, let's just be honest about
the Saints. You NFL owners, when you go cheap on
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mattresses or coaches, you will not sleep well. Jim Harbaugh
left San Francisco. What happened? It was a disaster. Sean
Payton leaves New Orleans. They've hammon egged it. You know what,
they are against playoff teams since he left, three fifty
four million over the cap, and now they don't have
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a coach and are going to get scraps in terms
of a staff. Like Judge said, USC has never been
as good since Pete Carroll left. They've never had a
defense that even looks like the USC defenses. Jimmy Johnson
twenty nine years ago, left the Cowboys. They've never met.
They've gone cheap on coaches, Like, you just can't go
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cheap on mattresses and coaches. You won't sleep well. You owners.
The Spanos family finally figured it out. They're like, let's
just go get Jim Rball. Literally thirty second defense to
first same players. So when you look at Sean Payton
could rub people the wrong way. They were the Aints
before he got there. They were a lot of you
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don't remember this. They were the laughing stock of the league.
I mean, I don't even know. There's nobody as bad
as they were. Caroline at least has a quarterback and
a coach we liked. They had nobody. He arrived first year,
not only a winning record. I think they got to
the NFC champion. I know they got to the playoffs
first year, and they had a couple of years when
they pulled back a little. But basically with Sean Payton,
they were always Super Bowl viable. He leaves, they're a
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mess again, three and twenty against playoff teams, a ton
over the cap, don't have a coach. Just the Bulls
never recovered from Phil Jackson, never recovered. Still out it recovered.
Just don't leave the best to somebody else. Just just
sign them. I know it's painful, but I mean the
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New York Giants four head coaches and two winning seasons
since Tom Comflin left. I mean, it's the Saints. Don't
they feel like they're much closer to the Aints than
they are to the Chiefs or Eagles.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
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Speaker 7 (23:52):
All right, Let's start with Mahomes looking to get his
fourth career Super Bowl, this his fifth of the Chiefs
take on the Eagles next Sunday on Fox. With a win,
he would just be three shy of Tom Brady's seven rings.
And of course this means the goat debate, and Julian Edelman,
friend of the Show, has weighed in on the debate.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
The argument's gangle closer.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
I mean, if he goes out in three peats, it's
gonna get closer. But I think that the differential and
the difference is Tom had three different Hall of Fame careers.
We haven't seen any crazy adversity for this Kansas City
Chiefs team. There's gonna be a time where Travis ain't there.
There's gonna be a time where Chris Jones ain't gonna
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be there, And then I think that's when you start
evaluating Patrick on if he's gonna get to where Tom's at.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
But he's well on his way.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Brady will always have something over Mahomes. He beat him
head to head of the Arrowhead, he crushed him in
a Super Bowl. Mahomes can never do that to Tom.
And Tom also left a great coach first year, won
a Super Bowl in Tampa. So there are certain things
that can never be erased from this argument. Tom beat
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him in Arrowhead, scored, didn't even leave him a chance
for the ball, crushed him in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, well the rules have changed since that. Now.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
By the way, if you want a classic game, oh
my gosh, how good was that game? I can still
remember where I was Brady versus Mahomes in Arrowhead that
playoff game, because remember they totally shut down Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Belichick cooked up some amazing stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Remember the first half though it looked like if you
recall Kansas City got off to the big start, okay.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
But that at overtime, like I can't really hear Mahome
still has like at least, what is he twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
He's got like at least five more years, but he'll
he'll never end. He'll never roast Brady in the Super Bowl.
He'll never beat Tom.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Does he need to.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I think those are things that Tom will always have.
And I also think we have to credit Tom for
going to Tampa and winning first year. That team was
seven and five for twelve games. He's screaming at guys
in Chicago, Brady, I think Edelman. Brady has three careers
and crushed in all of them.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, so what are you saying Brady cannot be top?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
No, I mean if he won twelve Super Bowls. But
what I'm saying is there are things built into the
that rivalry that there's nothing tong there's nothing Mahomes can
do to surpass. Because I think Mahomes will end his
career in Kansas City. I think Andy's got like four
more years left, and I think Andy, you'll hit about
seventy and be done. And I think Mahomes will probably
get one more coach in Kansas City, and then at
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some point because the players now make so much money
that Mahomes doesn't need to go to the Chargers or
the Saints, or he'll he'll packet it hit. He's got
a big life.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
We built out of first seven seasons as a starter. Well,
Mahomes versus Brady, and that's a little unfair because Brady
was a game manager.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
He was a sixth round pick.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Yeah, I mean all Mahomes hasn't But again, yeah, I
don't you know, it is interesting Mahomes the first seven
seasons he's played like this is and by the way,
by the way, that's a career for ninety nine per quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
So you're looking at Brady and Mahomes for the television audience.
I apologize there's a lot of numbers on the screen
for the radio audience, but the Brady and Holmes. Your
initial belief, if you wouldn't have seen these numbers, would
have been, Oh, Mahomes is way up here and Brady's
down here. It took a while for Brady to get cooking. Now, actually,
when you look at it, Brady and Mahomes are almost
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dead even through seven years. And what was remarkable about
Tom is he got better after this. Yeah, So you
would have thought if you would have told me for
seven seasons, ninety percent of our audience would have thought, yeah,
Mahomes has crushed him in the first seven and as
great as Mahomes and Ridar. This tells you Tom was
a lot better early than anybody wants to admit.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Well, that goes to Edelman's point about different careers, because
Brady was a gay manager, just handing them all off,
taking dunk early.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
His first Super Bowl. Tom was doing more than managing,
but he was largely I think that the first Super
Bowl was Tom We're gonna ask him to make about
five six big plays, but this defense special teams in
coaching is better than the rest.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Of the all the clutch throws.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Then, I thought by the next year and the year
after that, Tom had asserted himself as I don't.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Know again, you probably remember this better than I was
still a bit of a young guy, being an idiot.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
In New York City.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
I wasn't as locked in all seventeen weeks as I
am now.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I remember Brady officially making.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
The jump when he got Randy Moss. That's when it
was like, oh my gosh, no, no, fucket Brady. I mean,
he had already want to buy.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
He was great before that. He broke records with Randy right,
but he was great before.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
He was great before that when he was like, you
know what, I.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Remember some of my first memories of Brady because there
were a lot of great quarterbacks when he broke into
the league. There were a lot of guys. One of
the first memories of him was I thought he was
he threw such a good ball in crappy weather games,
because nobody ever thought because Brady the pictures had come
out that he wasn't that impressive physically in the like
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that stuff's like thirty years old, twenty forty time. Yeah,
And I remember I was thinking, nobody ever mentioned Brady
as having a great arm. That was never discussed. There
were so many other guys in the league. And I
remember it was watching crappy weather games in Foxborough, like
in December, and I'd be like, dude, his ball cuts
through wind. I mean, I lived out there for a while,
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but it I don't know, it just I That was
one of my first memories. Was this dude's bigger with
a way better arm than he gets credit for because
he wasn't an ad livery. He's not like Cam Newton
rolling right throwing at seventy yards. Everything was from the pocket.
It was designed and they did a lot of stuff
that was underneath bubble screams. They were ahead of the
curve a little bit. They were created. They didn't rely
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on time. Moss was the first time you saw Tom's
arm straight, like, oh, they're going deep a lot. But
one of my first impressions was he was more physically
gifted than people gave him credit.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
I feel like this is going to be a Jordan
Lebron debate that's gonna span decades.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Who do you think to go?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Brady Mahomes And.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
It isn't just stacking stats and accolades, if there's more
than that, as there is with Jordan Rus Lebron. Next
up is the New York Giants Colin they got the
third overall pick in the draft obviously need a quarterback
because Daniel Jones is not there anymore. There is no
guarantee a top quarterback will be there at three.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Now.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
We talked about Daniel Jeremiah's mock earlier. He claims there
will be a quarterback there. We'll see Titans and Browns
are taken to top two picks.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
GM.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Joe Shane of the Giants says they're open to anything,
and then he knows we're gonna get a good player
at three.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Do you think they land a quarterback Colin because if.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
They don't, we can already start doing a coaching search
for the New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Jianks are taking a quarterback next issue. Now, if Sam
Darnold would have never played in New York, I think
they go after him. But he has. It didn't work.
They won't even though it was another team. They want
final story. Now this you know again.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
I'm driving into work and I'm cooking up trade ideas
for Darren Fox. I'm like, oh, Cowhardt's probably gonna have stuff.
This is interesting as hell, man. So the Kings are
expected to open talks and trade their star point guard,
their best player, sorry Simonus. Fox has one year left
on his deal and indications are he is not gonna
(31:12):
sign long term in Sacramento. Now, Fox is a tremendous talent.
He only has one playoff appearance, at tough loss to
the Warriors. He's one All NBA guy, one All Star appearance.
He's repped by Clutch Sports and Rich Paul, and everybody
knows that that's gonna instantly draw the Lakers in. There
is a reporter who says the Lakers are not an option,
(31:32):
and dearon Fox reportedly wants to play with Victor Women Yama,
don't blame Hi san Antonio.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I don't blame him at all. Who would you want.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
To play with?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I would probably say Lebron, Oh, give me a break,
and now.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
The best player in the history of the sport. Yeah,
I would take a chance playing with him, and then
maybe get.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
JJ Reddick going, hey, we got to switch you tonight.
Brownie needs some minutes.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I thought you weren't going to talk about that guy.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Oh, you're right, So let me ask you.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
I'm gonna give you a sleeper. Deer Fox is from Houston. Okay,
Houston Rockets are number two in the West. They need,
They've got a lot of pieces, but they need they need.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Now that's a good because Houston could make a move
with anybody because they got so many good young and picks.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
And then the other sleep Are you ready Miami Heat
who have bam Adebayo who played with deeron Fox.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Can you imagine Jimmy Butler getting shipped of sack Town.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Well, he's not gonna accept that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
He's not gonna do it. I don't think the Houston
wants him, though, I'd be careful about that. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Well, we'll see they're very good, but if they lose
in the first or second round, hey, we don't have
a superstar. I think Fox is a superstar. I don't
know where you land on that. I just love his game,
his demeanor. He's like a hero in Sacramento, good guy
in the community, just at all over everybody likes.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
He'mart, thoughtful guy.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, young in his prime.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
I mean, if the Lakers can get him, I'm I
would consider parting with with my guys.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Why would he want to go to What do the
La Lakers have to get him?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Well, Austin reeves and picks.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You make you always think the Lakers talent is so
much better than it is. Oh God, everybody's looking for
Dalton connect. Could he defend that last night? You can score?
Dalton can score. He can shoot. He almost had an
interesting alley you. I watched the whole game.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
He's a bucket. I likes I like the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
You know, you know it in the West. You know
why you like the Lakers. Please tell me nobody plays defense.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I'm a lockdown defender.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
D yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
And the other thing is Fox needs the ball he does. Okay,
he needs to r on the offense. The Lakers tried
that once. Do you remember that with Westbrook? Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Please, don't compare Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
No, im but but but by the way Bolter Westbrooks
get into the Hall of Fame. Lebron isn't necessarily great
with a guy that needs the ball in his hands.
That's a fair point. So you go ahead, the Lakers.
You think you're gonna get Fox for Austin Reeves and
a bunch of second round pick.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
They got it. They got one more for round pick.
And then Ruyt Moore, who's in high demand around who
who let me just let me cook?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Okay, come on, I mean, I've never talked to a
GM in the NBA at lunch and they said, let
me tell you. The first thing I want to say
is Ruey Hachama. We are all in. He's a throwing
piece in a trade. He's fine, but he's a throw
in piece. I'm coming off as negative guy today. Who
I am very negative on them?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Who you've been talking to, Barkley, is that who one
of your dinner mates are? Is the guy who just
takes shots at the Lakers left and right.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I don't take shots at them, but you've overvalued their talent.
So the only guy or you're down here, The only
guy I love is Anthony Davis. You don't like him?
You got Dalton connect is Bernard King. I mean you've
got this thing like, what game are you watching? J
Mack with the News?
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Speaker 1 (36:20):
So you know, I was thinking about this. Woody Johnson
owns the Jets, and he was talking about this yesterday
that he needs to be a better owner, and he does.
This is I don't think this is a coincidence. I
think the NFL succeeds in places that care. I think
it succeeds in Baltimore Kansas City, Green Bay, they care.
(36:45):
I think San Francisco cares. Philadelphia is a big city,
but the Eagles are never lost. They are front page.
And I remember going to a Super Bowl in New
York one time and you couldn't tell you didn't see
any Super Bowl hats that the Seahawks were in it,
because I had friends from where I grew up in
my small town in the coast of Washington were there,
the Jones family, And I remember saying, Oh, such a bummer,
(37:06):
you're going to this super Bowl. Because usually you go
to a city and they like New Orleans, you will
know how important the Saints are and how important pro
football is to the community. You will feel it. But
both New York teams in the last eight years have
the two worst records, the two worst point differentials, and
(37:27):
the two worst offenses. It's pathetic. Now in baseball, it
feels like the city cares. The Yankees matter. The Mets,
as futile as they are, they matter a lot. In
the NBA, Michael Jordan and Kobe often save their greatest
performances for playing at the Garden, and Minnesota went into
(37:48):
the Garden recently put on a show all the celebrities
in the first couple of rows. New York feels special
for basketball, it feels special for baseball. It doesn't. I
was telling Jmack during the break, if I was a
free agent, I wouldn't even consider New York. It just
doesn't feel big. The stadium MetLife, which has no life.
Met Life's over in Jersey in a weird sort of
(38:10):
entertainment stadium venue that's cold and windy and not memorable,
and it's just it's it's it's funny. I don't think
it's a coincidence. Usually New York teams get it right
because they have such advantages financially. I mean the Yankees,
you know, they had a down year this year, they
made the World Series. The Mets. Eventually they find Steve Cohen,
(38:33):
they get some owner. Will Pond's out Cohen in they
got big money. It matters to New York, and I
think there's some loyal fans. But I've never been in
New York and felt like, yeah, as a football city.
I I it's just it's remarkable. It's cold, it's expensive.
It feels like a baseball NBA city. They're poorly run,
they're they're poorly owned. They've been mostly poorly coached. And
(38:56):
here here's what he Johnson talking. You know, he says
he's got to be a better owner.
Speaker 9 (39:01):
Absolutely, I have to look in the mirror and write
and I have to be a better better out There
was a lot of exaggeration, hypro believe you know there
really was. Yeah, yeah, and you you really have to
take all that stuff with the grand of salms because
you don't know how what nobody knows how.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I'm going to it. Yes, I I want Aaron Glenn
to coach the team.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I want to.
Speaker 9 (39:22):
I want the general manager to matters the the assets
and the on the players, and I'll be I'll take
the nurse position.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
But it's interesting because la is a huge city, but
so far as a palace. Uh, We've got two unbelievable
all time coaches. Game days are amazing because the winter
weather is you know, it's incredible out Mediterranean. But it's
you know, I don't know, is Brick Johnson gonna make
some changes in the front office? Their kids? Am I
(39:51):
picking on kids today? Is that what I'm doing is
that the show today? Is that the theme today on
the show. But it's funny you weren't and I were
talking during the break is if I was a free agent,
there's nothing to try about New York. I gotta I
gotta go live in Jersey. The weather's bad in the winter.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Well that's oh, excuse me. You're hyping Chicago as a destination.
The weather's got way.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Worse than the way that city loves it's pro football.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
True.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Listen, man, if you're twenty five years old and making
a million dollars a year living in New York.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
City, it doesn't get much better than that.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Now.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
I know a lot of the Jets players live in
Jersey to avoid the distractions.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, so you could talk to Sanchez about that. In
Sam Darnold, That's.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Where the facilities at. That's where the stadiums. That's what
you you act like, Oh, I'm in New York not
you live in Jersey life, But stadiums there, the practice
facility is there. That's where everybody lives. True.
Speaker 7 (40:37):
But in the winter when it's crappy, you're playing football
and locked in, not going out as much.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
In the spring in New York City, oh my.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
Goodness, there may not be a better city in America
in the New York City in the spring, it is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
You live in la in the spring, you go to
the beach in New York in the spring. Maybe you
go playing volleyball in Manhattan Beach in the spring. In
New York, I just want to say, all right, no,
But I mean, seriously, you talk about, oh, it's New York.
The stadium's in Jersey. Yeah, practice facilities in Jersey. All
the players live in Jersey. That's not a New York life.
So my first job out.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
Of college was working at a newspaper in Jersey, like
nine miles from the GW Bridge, and I hated life.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I lived in Jersey. It's called Hackensack, and.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
I would just go into the city every weekend and
it was amazing, and I was like, I got to
get to the city. Finally I get into the city,
and I couldn't afford it. So I was like living
off credit cards, which is not smart. But then I
met a girl who was able to carry me. Now
she's the wife. But bottom line is, you need to
get into the city. I don't think living in Jersey
makes sense as a player. For you, weekends were off
(41:42):
for you. For a pro athlete, that's when they were
Now I understand in New York City is not worth
me taking a deal with. That's when the models go out,
the bars and a lounges pop and I last eight years.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
This is the bottom of the league. That's a fact. Yes,
that's not even arguable. I just I don't think there's
any mystique or a lord in New York. You're living
in Jersey, you're playing in Jersey.
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