May 14, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin talks to Michael Holley from NBC Sports Boston about the Celtics being on the verge of elimination plus the reaction to Bill Belichick's relationship with 24-year-old Jordon Hudson and her involvement with North Carolina football
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go our two NFL schedule release night.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It is great to be here. Jmax joining us.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Go to Boston in a second for the host of
NBC Sports Boston A Michael Holly, smart guy wrote a
Bill Belichick book. We're gonna talk about that, Jason Tatum,
Mike Frabe. A lot of stuff going on in the
New England area and the schedule release there now they
want eventually sixteen international games.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
They're gonna move it to seven this year. I'm fine with.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's like, never forget Roger Goodell has bosses, they're called owners,
and they own the domestic market. So the NFL is
going to spread out and go international. It's like Netflix,
all right, We're going to go global. We own the
domestic market.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But I think Jmak the one schedule that's interesting I
think this is a lot of whoey. So they always
have like toughest strength of schedule. But I have argued
for years that it depends. For instance, when you sign
up for your college courses, and I tell my son
and my daughter, this fall, it's beautiful in a college campus.
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College football is going college in fall. Don't have your
hardest schedule. Do it in the winter. You're stuck inside anyway.
You're stuck inside. The spring gets sunny, you're going to
want to be outside. The fall is happening all the
good parties, you're going to want to be outside in
the winter semester or quarter right, you can just have
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your heart at schedule. You're gonna be stuck inside anyway.
You're not going to want to go outside. You're not
going to be just it's the same with the schedule.
When are the tough games, Like there's a difference between
going to Green Bay and December and then going to
Lambeau in the second week of September. Right, especially if
you you know, have a you have a quarterback that
likes to throw the ball downfield. You don't want to
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play in windy, cold weather in Buffalo. I'd rather play
Buffalo in September than I would October November, right, So
the Bear schedule is considered the second toughest. The structure
and order of the Bear schedule is interesting. So last year,
with Matt Eberflus and a rookie quarterback, I thought they
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needed momentum early.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Give them an easy schedule. Early.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
They had Tennessee Week one and they won that game
thanks to Will Levis, and that was good because if
they started off zero to two, every loss for a
coach in the hot seat would be chaos. And you
don't want to have a rookie quarterback in golf with chaos.
This year, with Chicago, they have to go to Baltimore,
they have to go to Detroit. I'd rather get those
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games out early. Get the San Francisco game out early.
At Detroit, ed, well, you're probably not going to beat
those teams early or late. What I want is and
Ben Johnson is rebuilding the old line. The old line
is the hardest unit to get cohesion. This offensive line
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is not going to be great until probably Thanksgiving in later,
and by that time you're gonna have a hard enough
time beating Detroit and Detroit, Washington and Washington or Detroit
and Detroit even if you have it, but you know what,
you would guarantee success if you're playing the Giants Cleveland
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and New Orleans late in the year. Your offensive line
with Dolman and Tooney in this left tackle from BC
everybody loves and all of a sudden, it's November. You
got the offensive line cooking. Ben Johnson and and Caleb
Williams are locked in arms. They're seeing the same world
and here come some tomato cans as you're trying to
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grow and fight for that wild card spot behind Detroit,
who has a much better overall roster. So get the
losses out of the way. Last year, it's like win early.
It's your only chance to avoid chaos. If you started
zero to two, it's not ideal. But if Caleb's playing
well and Caleb's improving and you lose a couple of
games late because your defense has holes, you're fine. There's
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no chaos. They got the right coach. So I think
the indicator for the Bear schedule is I'd rather get
some of those big dogs out of the way, because
even if you're flying high, you're not going to beat
Baltimore and Baltimore anyway. Baltimore's beating the Rams, Baltimore, Clawberd,
San Francisco and Detroit the last couple of years in
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a red hot Miami team in Baltimore, You're not winning
that game.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Get it out of the way early.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
What I want late is momentum and confidence and the
Giants and Cleveland and the Saints teams that could be
resting starters because they're trying to get a number one
picked and without a guy I respect a lot. Michael Hawley,
NBC Sports, Boston, New York Times Bestsellers, joining US Lives.
There was a ton going on in Boston. How are you, Michael.
It's great to see you again, but continued success for you.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Hey, good to see you too, Colin.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I'm doing great, just getting ready for the depression that
is certainly coming tonight at Boston Garden.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And I think it's.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Officially a home game, Colin for the Celtics, but there
have been a lot of Knicks fans at Game one,
Game two. I'd say it was probably seventy five percent
Celtics fans, twenty five percent Nicks. Who knows some of
the Celtics season tickets ticket holders and say I'm going
to sell my tickets.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Let these New Yorkers come in and celebrate.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
So I think it's gonna be a fifty to fifty atmosphere,
a lot of orange and blue at the Garden tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Obviously, the Tatum injury is awful, but new owner five
hundred million dollars payroll, Horford, old Drew Holiday looked really
Old porzingis not the mystery illness.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Could I not argue?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And I know it, forget the Tatum injury, but they
were going to lose this series to me pre Tatum injuries.
Four minutes before that injury, New York was making every
basket and had total control. Could I not argue, regardless
of the Tatum injury, that getting knocked out is a
little bit of a wake up call that there are
still elements here that it needed tweaking. Anyway, what you
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don't want to become is Milwaukee holding on to something
after a title or Denver now Michael holding on to
Denver's not a title team. Milwaukee got wailed. There is
a glimmer of hope losing to the Knicks. It's a
little bit of a wake up call.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Maybe Yeah, it's just kyl, you know, what you know,
how it is New York Boston.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You're right, but it's you don't want the way up
call to come. Now come in the second round.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I was supposed to come with New Yorkers involved Boston,
New York. That goes back years. But I would say this,
I think that was coming anyway. So let's say they
win the championship. Let's say they sweep New York and
they take on Indiana and beat them, they win the
championship again. Well, Drew Holliday was unlikely to come back
because of these payroll issues. Porzingis was unlikely to come back.
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Either Horford's going to retire or go somewhere else, so
they had some tweaking to do. Anyway, This wasn't this
wasn't necessary. I mean, you can't lose back to back
games at home at the start of the series the
way they did.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Like look at Game.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
One, They're up by twenty points in that game and
the Knicks come back and win it.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So you could say, we'll never let that happen again.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
We won't miss forty five threes again, we won't shoot
like that. And they came back in the next game.
They were up by twenty and they did the same
thing again. So I don't know if that's a talent
issue or is that just your perspective is all wrong,
your philosophy is all wrong and you need to adjust that.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, I thought Joe Mozoula has had a bad series.
I'm not somebody I used to alwas joke with Bill Simmons.
I said, you're two tough on coaches.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Hine, that's an understatement.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, I mean I said this, he has one He
has one club in his golf bag. It's like guys,
when the three shots aren't falling, iso ball top of
the arc is not good enough. You watch Chris Finch
pull levers Spulstra curve for years, Tom Thibodeaux pull levers.
I don't think Joe has pulled the right levers. I
don't think they're gonna j Mack has said on my
show if Missoula gets embarrassed, he could be gone as
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a former coach. I don't see Brad Stevens as a
run him out of the building guy to you.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
No, no, uh.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
And the Celtics not only is Brad Stevens not that guy,
the Celtics aren't that organization.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I'm trying to think about the last time they fired.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I guess the last time they fired a coach, and
it was an unusual circumstance.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
It was Eme Udoka.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
But Doc Rivers was there for nine years, Brad Stevens
was there for nine or ten years. They had the
Udoka situation. But they loved Missoula and what he's doing.
This is not a philosophy that he invented. It's something
that he endorses. But this is organizational. They loved read
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Over too, and we like the pressure it puts on defenses.
We got guys who can shoot it, and we're going
to take advantage of it. So he has had bad
series before. I don't think this series, even losing in
five games, which is a real possibility, I don't think
that will get him out the door.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So I just defended Belichick.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I said, listen, you could be Uber trying to overtake Taxis.
You could be Oregon. Years ago, when I was on
the West coast, Michael was looking up at Washington and
USC and UCLA and they said, you know what, those
are traditional powers. We're gonna wear a thousand uniforms. We're
gonna hire this guy from New Hampshire, Chip Kelly have
offensive play every thirteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
We are a disruptor.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And now Oregon looks down at all those schools and
they're not Penn State. The advantage of not having great tradition.
You can go New North Carolina looks at Clemson. Now
Clemson's dug their feet in no nil, no portal, and
Carolina is like, you know what we're gonna do an Oregon,
We're gonna go to a pro model. We're gonna hire Belichick,
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Mike Lombardi. We're gonna go total pro model or a
basketball school. And Jordan Hudson and Bill are actually simultaneously
catalysts for the change. She's beautiful and cool and on
social Bill's an NFL guy, not a college guy. I
am defending they are being disruptive and that is the
only way Michael Is, you know, to catch the big dog,
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to catch Taxis is to be uber and do it
the opposite way. But that said twenty four and seventy
three makes people uncomfortable. How is it playing for iconic
Belichick in New England? What do people think in Boston?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
They're freaked out. They're freaked out by the college and
I am too. This is so This is so out
of character for him. Not being in love or in
like whatever he is with a beautiful woman. That's not
out of character for Bill. What's out of character is
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the loss of control. He is a grade A control freak.
He doesn't like anybody to speak for him. He handles
media situations. You can argue sometimes he handles them poorly,
but he handles them himself. He doesn't like to be
out there and anybody to kind of represent him in
a way that makes them uncomfortable. But this has all changed,
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and I know we try to walk it back a
little bit and saying Jordan has nothing to do with
North Carolina football. I don't believe that he gave her.
He gave her power, and I don't think he has
taken that power away. She's not going to be as
visible with North Carolina football, but I believe she's going
to have a lot to do with it.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
So it's just it's not the Bill Belichick that we saw.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
It's not the on the Cincinnati Belichick. It's not the
guy grumbling in front of the media and giving you
one and two word answers. It's actually Belichick stepping back
and letting someone else come forward.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It's shocking.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So I was telling a friend.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That was grumbling about politics in America, and he was grumbling.
He said, my party, Democrats were lost, And I said, listen,
Democrats were lost pre Clinton, then they weren't. Republicans were
lost pre Reagan, then they weren't. I said, if you
find the right person, it's amazing what happens to a
political party. And I feel this about the NFL. Patriots
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are lost. I think Drake May is the next Justin Herbert.
I think Rabel's great, and I think they will be
the most improved team in the league. The last three
years they have been lost. They've been toned af to offense,
they can't draft. I think this is the beginning of
a great ten to twelve year run. Are people that
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I really do? I think again, I think if Michael
It's a quarterback coach league Fuffalo was.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
A mess, then they're not.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I think I think this is the beginning of the
next great chapter.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Are you that optimistic?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I am not that optimistic yet, So ten to twelve
years that's saying a lot. And I and you you
kind of toned it down because didn't I hear you say?
I said, I'm so glad we're talking today. I'm not
gonna talk to Colin about this. Didn't you say they're
going from worse to first? You got them in first
place in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
No, I said, I said they're gonna make the playoffs.
They're gonna be the They're gonna be. Every year, I
pick a team that's gonna double their win total. Last
year it was Washington, This year it's New England. The
year before, by the way, it was the Rams, who
were considered a rebuild team and made the playoffs. Year
before that it was Minnesota. I may stink picking winners
against the spread. I'm really good on finding a cruddy
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team that gets good. And I think Gerard Mayo was
a wonderful guy, but I think he was a classic coordinator,
not a head coach. I think Rabel's worth four and
a half points alone.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Again, Okay, I'll give you that. I love Mike Rabel,
and I don't know if I've ever told you this story.
I covered him in high school. We're about the same age.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
By the way.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Okay, I had just started at the Akron Beacon Journal,
and he was at a high school called Walt's Jesuit
and he was a defensive end tight end and the
same wise ass then that he is right now.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
For a long time I root for him.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I'm a big fan of his but I think their
talent got to the point because of Belichick.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Their talent was so low.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I mean, I think there are bottom five talent in
the league, and this infusion of free agents and draft picks,
I think best case scenario probably gets them to the
middle of the pack talent wise. They still have some
work to do, so I think they'll be much improved.
I got them at seven or eight wins, Max. I'd
be really surprised if they find enough in year one
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under Brabel to get into the playoff because it's just
too much damage done the last four or five years.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Finally, I want to circle back to the Knicks and
the Celtics. Is I think one of the things I
love about sports is the cultural changes. Three point shots
in the NBA. But it's really interesting. These playoffs have
been fascinating, Michael, because the NBA has always swallowed the
whistle in the postseason. This year it's a tug of war,
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it's a fistfight, and I'm going to make the argument,
circling back to this, that if this is what the
league is going to allow in May June, that the
Knicks today are better built than the Celtics going forward,
big physical, defensive coach, get a bucket superstar guard that
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they don't. The Knicks don't need a massive swing. They
need to get more consistent at center. Cat can't defend
Mitchell Robinson, can't hit a free throw. But the league
this analytics sounds great, Michael, until the league says, yet,
we're gonna officiate the playoffs totally differently than the regular season,
and that New York may be better built going forward.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I might buy that.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
If the league says we're gonna be consistent with this,
we'll go back. We won't go back to the nineties
when the Knicks and Rockets were in the playoffs and
all those scores were is awful. All those scores were
in the seventies and eighties. We're not going to go
back there. But we're not going to allow just anybody.
We're not going to allow for next ball. We'll do
something in the middle that's right by that I'll say
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right now, and I didn't think this last week a
better team.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
They are Celtics.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
But Colin, I got something for you.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I'll tell you who's better than both of them, and
my pick to win the NBA championship. Oh, get ready,
Indiana Pacers. The Indiana Pacers I think are more physical
than the Knicks. I think they're better than the Knicks.
And I know New York says, hey, we had you know,
we didn't have Jalen Brunson last year. He got heard
and broke his wrisk. The Pacers are a team. We're
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talking about Celtics in New York. We need to be
talking more about the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And I think with.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Your theory what the NBA allows, I think that suits
the Pacers more than anybody else in basketball.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Well, Halliburton and Caitlin Clark, middle of the Country's got
their basketball point guards ready to go. Michael Hally, who's
been doing great work forever in New York Times best
selling offer multiple books on Belichick, looks about twenty nine
years old.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You do not age, my friend.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You are sharp and I swaar got Vrabel is starting
to look like me. And uh, you look as always.
You do great work. You know I respect the heck
Addie I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I appreciate you man anytime. You know that, Colin, all.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Right, Michael Hawley, who's just been doing great work in
the Boston area for a long long time. And I
gotta watch all those Boston guys.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I told her that felgir on radio, Michael Michael Holly
Kern's doing stuff. That's a good market. J Mack, how
about that you called Indiana. You've been a pro Indiana
guy for two years now.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
You know what my my my friend on the volume,
Jason timp He said two nights ago, he said, Indiana's
gonna beat New York. I'm sorry if you're going to
allow physical play they got Indiana is long.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Big, That's what she said.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
So, Colin, if you look at last year's Nicks Pacers series,
two of the four best players on the next were
Donde de Vincenzo and Alec Burks. Okay, they're enter Mikail
Bridges at Karl Anthony Towns. This is a way better
Knicks team than they had last year against the Pacers.
That being said, yes, the matchups are good, but they
got three guys they can throw at Aliburton. Bridges heart,
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and I do believe og Nnoby can get physical with him.
The Cavs at zero. You know Darius Garland, you know
they're calling him Darius Garbage in Cleveland this week.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
They're so angry with Garland, the injury.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
The shooting.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Cleveland didn't have any matchups for Halliburton. Siakam went nuts.
I think this is a great series and the Knicks
playing at home, assuming they get by Boston. N I'll
give the Knicks. I'll say the Knickson seven in a great,
great series.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
All right, good stuff coming up, Chandler Parsons Last Hour.
It's the NFL schedule released tonight. We know some of
the big games, but I do think it matters. I
think the order of games matters for coaches on the
hot seat, for teams with offensive lines that are new,
like Minnesota is revamping their offensive line, Chicago has read
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ulter offensive line, Kansas City's got questions on the offensive line.
Niners have questions on the offensive line. That is a
hard unit to grow cohesion. So those teams, I mean,
there's like I think Chicago is going to be really good,
but I don't. I think September I'd rather get the
losses out of the way at Baltimore, at Detroit. I
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don't think you're beating those teams late. I think Chicago
needs confidence building wins over Cleveland, the New York Giants,
the New Orleans Saints, teams that could be resting starters
to get a better pick late, because I think Chicago's
a playoff team, and you want to go into that
playoff winning five of six, six of seven. Young team,
new O Line, second year quarterback, feeling great about yourself.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
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Speaker 1 (20:57):
Major International seven international games are going to have three
in London, one in Ireland, one in Germany, one in Spain,
one in Brazil. The Vikings are back to back weeks,
once in Dublin, once in London's that's interesting, you know,
I don't think it's unfair.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think they're experimenting.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
They just decided we're going to experiment with the Vikings
team that's already got some questions. So you know, a
couple of years ago, two years ago, the NFL of
the top one hundred shows in America on TV they
had ninety three. Now last year was a political year,
they had like seventy two seventy three. But every four
years politics kind of screws up TV. But the NFL
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is like Netflix. They owned the best market.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Let's go. Investors want global growth. It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I'm not somebody that digs my feet in on stuff
like I know the NIL and the transfer portal. You know,
I'll never watch college football again. Oh stop, Ohio State's
playing Michigan. You'll watch. Oregon's going to be playing usc
You'll watch Texas is going to be playing Georgia. We're
all going to watch.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I pouted when I'm eleven. I'm a sports fan. I
don't pout now. I just stuff changes. Get used to it.
So and college football today is better. It's got more movement,
there's more transitioning. It makes you uncomfortable, like Belichick and Carolina,
There's it's a little odd, but that's the world we
live in. I do think baseball had to be dragged,
kicking and screaming into change. And now they're playing over
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in Japan, and they played in London, and I think
it's more fun.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
So I just think this is part of it.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I'm you know, I think I don't think it's good,
you know, having a West Coast team go east, But
I look at it as an opportunity. You're going to
take twenty five year old kids, You're taking them over
to the Dublin or Spain. It's a great opportunity, and
both teams have to play in it. So in Minnesota
is a little weird playing two games. Roger Goodell talked
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about the international growth.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
We feel like this game is destined to be global.
We expect to be an Asia soon, we expect to
be in Australia. So we're gonna we're gonna make sure
that our game is available around the globe.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And listen again, Netflix and the NFL they won in America.
They're looking, they're looking for the next frontier, right. You know,
Brazil seems a bit far for me, but I'm going
to London in a couple of weeks. It's it's quicker
for me to fly from the East Coast to London
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than it is to Los Angeles, So it didn't bother me.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And I think it's a great game.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
It's listen, we've seen international soccer, Come West, everybody wins.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's a good road trip. Jmick of the News, No, no,
this is the herd Line News. London.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I love that city. That's gonna be fun. Thanks for
the invict By the way, buddy, I'm going with my son.
They'll me more fun anyway.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
On the midion, I guess all right, Colin, let's get started.
Indiana Pacers, you know it, baby. My team extinguished the
Cavs last night.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
When they win. They were down.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Seventeen early, came back behind Halliburton. Cleveland shockingly went zero
to three at home in this series. That was after
not losing consecutive games in Cleveland during the regular season.
Here's Donovan Mitchell talking about the feelings of losing in
the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
I haven't been asleep yet, probably watch the game twice.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
It's tough, man, the embarrassment. I hope we all feel it.
And I think we doi sixty four win season. We
were slated to be up here. We lost for to one.
I will defend them.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Indiana's really good, and they went into this series with
a bunch of injuries and they just never found their rhythm. So,
I mean, Tatum got hurt. By the time Tatum was hurt,
New York was winning the series. These guys came into
a series no mobiley they didn't have a point guard Garland.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Soo, he only missed a gate. It's not the end.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
I mean, so let me look at this from this way.
So Donovan Mitchell, where is he in the hierarchy of
good players? Because Colin our staff put together a list.
He's playing in the league.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Eight years, He's.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Made the playoffs every year. He can't get out of
the second round of the playoffs. Now it's just so hard.
But he was in the west right with the jazz,
and then he's in the east of the caves and
it's like, I mean, there's a little bit of a
bad look.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And I'm not blaming Mitchell. He's superb.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Darius Garland and a rough series, you know, Colin interesting
once you drill down on the stats doing the post wartem,
the Celtics and Cabs were two of the best three.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Point shooting teams this year. Yeah, what happened in the playoffs?
Both went cold.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
The Pacers outshot the Cabs from three in the series
and it wasn't close.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I I for the record, I'm a huge fan of this.
I have been on this now for you've been here
for five years with me or four years I've been
on this. I like analytics, I don't love them. And
NBA playoff basketball has always been about two things. Get
a bucket and get a stop. New York's really good
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at getting a bucket, and to stop. They're really good
at it. Indiana. This three point avalanche, and I think, listen,
Adam Silver, commissioners have a right. People aren't talking about this.
Roger Goodell did not like the catch rule. He literally
changed it in a Super Bowl between New England and Philadelphia.
Remember the Eagles had a juggling catch in the end
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zone and they gave it to him. They said this okay,
And Adam Silver came on our show and talked about
this homogeneous three point parade.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, what stops it?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Physical play right, make bumping players, not calling the whistle.
These playoffs have been about teams, by the way, Minnesota,
New York, Indiana, it stops and they get buckets. We
don't think of them now now and history point shooting
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was through the roof. But if you really watch what
is happening, the league tweak their rules We're going to
allow the most physical basketball we've we've ever had, and
it's it's hurting finesse three point driven teams.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
That's a fair statement. I don't know where the Calves
go from here.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I do think the Tatum injury in Boston means Cleveland
should be like, guys, we're freaking close. Can we get
a three and D wing. We thought it was DeAndre Hunter.
He's probably not that guy.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
He was close. It certainly is not Ocoro, but they
need a three and D wing. I think the Calves
can win the East Exar College. It's basically next year Calves.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Nicks and Pacers. I'm sorry to Boston fans, You're not
there unless.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You make a bit try we take it out of
the season. Next up.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Oh man, This game last night between Denver and Okase
was unbelievable. You know, before the game, there was an
interesting story that emerged from a good reporter, Ramona Shell,
and buried in the story was a beast between Russell
Westbrook and Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon called Westbrook immature earlier
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in the series and the two got in a heated discussion.
So of course people were not happy that this got out.
Here's Aaron Gordon addressing the report.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
Really, I don't feel like talking about the game. Earlier,
I caught wind of an article that came out about
Russell Westbrook and in our locker room after Game two,
which was a completely arbitrary article and pointless and unnecessary.
That conversation wasn't for anybody other than our own group,
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and then the internal workings of our locker room. So
that article is just so arbitrary and so far from
the truth. Russ is being amazing for us, and not
only is he a great basketball player, but he's an
even better human being.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
All Right, let me be clear here.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
He did not deny the stuff from mona Sellboard reported
it very clearly happened.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
He's just unhappy that it got out.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
Now.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Here's your thoughts on Russell Westbrook and Gordon having beef.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, I mean, Russell Westbrook had beefs with kids at games.
I mean, Russell is a lot and I have defended
him all postseason. He is a kind of one gear,
one hundred mile an hour, one hundred mile an hour personality.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
He can't downshift as a guy or as a player.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I love the energy he brings to a team in
Denver that often looks old and tired. So I have
supported him, but I just think this is Russ. I
know Lebron's camp felt exhausted by Russell Westbrook. They were
exhausted by him, that he just he didn't like anybody.
Kevin durantir Yeah, I mean so Durant got. I think
(29:51):
Russell is that's his personality. He has got one gear.
It can be unbelievable, it is valuable, but it is.
He may not be somebody that you're you're not gonna
have the kind of relationship, but it's just easy. Russell's
not easy, and that's okay, not everybody is.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
You've started to use Foxhole guy listen. Russ appears to
be a great human being. All the reports are that
he's great. I think he has a chip on his
shoulder dating back to high school where he wasn't heavily recruited.
Then he's sprung up with a grossbert and you see,
LA's like, come on down. He's had beef with Steph
Curry historically throughout the league. He's very jealous of Steph
Curry and this this report is just kind of a killer.
(30:32):
That being said Colin, Uh, can you cat force a
game seven? Can he get them there? Because listen, they've
been they've been the better team in these last two
games against okay See. They just fell apart late because
they were exhausted. They had nothing left in the tank.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Now I think okay See is gonna win the series.
I think they're just Denver is Denver is so overly dependent.
I mean, it's like, congrats to okay See. That's my
feeling is I mean, it's just like I think the
won the series, and I think the thunder of won
the series. Remember, Houston had what Oklahoma City has in
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terms of depth of roster, but they didn't have finishers.
Okay s He's got finishers on that offense. It's not
Fred van Vliet. It's the best scorer in the league
and one of the best twos. Like Houston has a
lot of Okac, but you don't trust him late in games.
You trust Stephen Butler. Okay SE's the better team, and
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I think I think it's over.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
One last note on RUSS. Last three games of.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Which Denver's lost to Russ is six of twenty seven tooting.
So that honeymoon phase against the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
That's over. He's missing open shots now.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Final story Colin Tonight, Timberwolves look to close out the Warriors,
and Steph Curry's not coming back. He is not going
to play. He's reference that multiple times. But I think
we need to get some props to Julius Randall, who
has been amazing in this postseason run. He credits an
NBA legend for shaking his rep vita as a player
that fades in the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
I'll battled through a lot in my career, to be honest.
So I mean, my first game in my career, I
broke my leg. You know what I mean. So it's
I've been through a lot. I had a great mentor
in Kobe, you know that didn't necessarily let me pout
or get down on myself. You know, his thing was
(32:24):
always all right, what's next? You know, how can you
get better? How can you improve? So always just kind
of took that mentality with me.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
This guy deserves a ton of credit, and so does
the coaching staff. I remember when he was a Laker
and the league was transitioning to a three ball league,
and the feeling was Randall like a Tristan Thompson. The
culture was changing and it wasn't going to benefit his game.
He became a little better shooter outside in New York
and now he's become a better distributor and a true
(32:54):
number two. This is a combination of Julius Randall working
his butt off and not letting a new culture and
analytics define him. And it's also a credit to the
Minnesota staff because you and I didn't trust him in
the playoffs last year. I didn't trust him early this year.
I talked to Chris Finch off the air. I was like,
I don't know if Randall works. I'm not and he's like,
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it's working. It just give us time. Well, you watch
him now and you're like, that is a player, and
he's obviously a coachable player, and this is obviously a
very good coaching staff. This is the magic of good coaching,
where where like you could have said, Randall is just listening,
he's just he's a good number three. His ability to
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take coaching take to it, and Minnesota's ability to see
the gem that he is. The Lakers couldn't figure out
what to do with him, and Minnesota has.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
You made a great point the maturation of Randall and
again and I want to just hammer this home to
guys who are looking at Cooper Flag and saying, oh,
he's going to be Scottie Pippen or this. Like we
looked at Randall and said, oh he can do this,
he can't do that. Well, here he is, six seven
years later doing the stuff that he wasn't doing before.
Like you said, he used to be a black hole.
When the Knicks got in the ball, it was going up.
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He's not passing anybody. He has now become like a
triple double guy. He had a triple double in the series.
He has been excellent. I didn't see it coming Colin.
He's been a clear number two. I am curious. He's
gonna probably go up against chet holmger.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
In next round.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
That's gonna be a difficult matchup Homegrin's long. I kind
of like the Wolves in that series. I don't know
where you are. I mean it's early, obviously neither series over,
but it won't be as easy for Randall next round.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I don't know who I like in that series. I
really don't.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
We both like Minnesota over Golden State, I thought, but.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I think when I think of Minnesota, I think of
ant and coaching. I think they've this is a Minnesota's
got a bunch of disparate parts that should not be
this good. I mean, honestly, Conley's way past his prime,
ant submerging. Randall was always a three masquerading as a two.
Go Bear's got no offensive game, nasry energy guy, undrafted
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and it all works.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
And we say this all the time.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
In the NFL, Patriots never had You could argue with
Randy Moss they did. They never had the best roster.
I would argue Kansas City doesn't have. I mean, Kansas
City's won two been in three straight Super Bowls. They
don't have Detroit roster. They don't have Philadelphia's roster. I
don't think they have Baltimore's roster. It's it's a lot
of this is coaching and using B players and elevating
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them the B plus' and anuses.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
And that's what the Chris bench and the staff have done.
You mentioned the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
We will talk about them a lot tomorrow. Their schedule
is brutal Colin.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
It's not fully out yet, but what we've seen.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
All right.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
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Speaker 1 (37:09):
So I've grumbled about this before, but I think maybe
this is because media is more corporate. Therefore it's cheaper,
less expensive, younger, less experienced, and they overreact to everything.
But I think when people say they don't trust the media,
I don't and I'm in it, and I'm just there's
a Joe Biden book coming out from Jake Tapper.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Why would you trust the media? I mean, one element
of our media.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
While the rest of us could watch memes on tech
talk about a president that had mostly become a walking
bowl of oatmeal, the media was telling us, sharp as
a tack, there's a reason people don't trust the media. AI,
it's going to end the world. No, it's going to
create millions of new jobs and we'll eliminate some Probably
(37:56):
coders could be in a little trouble, but I don't
think the best of us are going to have to
find new jobs, learn how to use AI, and you'll
keep yours and retain it and grow. I mean, COVID
was awful, but in a country of three hundred and
forty million people, yes, like a million one died, it's awful,
almost overwhelmingly all over seventy five. It wasn't the common cold,
(38:19):
but the fear mongering was terrifying, Like nobody wanted to
leave their house. The stock market fluctuations, they're down, they're up.
It's all going to be okay about a year ago,
year and a half ago. In sports now, this doesn't
obviously is not a perfect analogy because it doesn't really
mean anything. But watching the overreaction to certain running backs
(38:42):
not getting a contract was ridiculous. Nobody the NFL running backs,
This is outrageous.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
They're going to get paid.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
You probably shouldn't sign them to massive second contracts. But
Saquon Barkley, Eric Henry, you don't think there's a market
for them. Jonathan Taylor. I just saw a story Derek
Henry and the Ravens two year deal, thirty million dollar extension,
and he's an old guy.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Who takes a beating.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
There's always a market for football players who are exceptional.
And the media, and I get a lot of the
media is in their twenties and early thirties. They haven't
experienced things before, so any fluctuation or change, it's the
first time they've seen it. Listen, safeties for about ten years,
nobody wanted to pay. When I was a kid growing up,
it was Troy Paula Milou not growing up, but Ronnie Lott,
(39:34):
Kenny Easley.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Safeties were big headhunters.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
And then there was like a time where safeties were
like nobody wanted to pay. Earl Thomas like, you don't
want to pay safety. The Rams, by the way, really
value safeties. There are a handful of teams Baltimore really
value safeties. Baltimore and the Rams value it. They're pretty good.
Tight Ends for years and years were neglected. Not anymore,
people are paying tight ends. Guards you can't draft to
(40:00):
guard early.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Joe Toney's pretty good, so is Quentin Nelson. Running back
to the last player in the NFL. You can hit high,
low ankles, knees, head. If they're coming through the line
and you hit them, it's fair game. They don't last
as long, even the big guys. But value, I would argue,
Sakwan Barkley is the Eagles. I love Lamar Jackson, and
(40:23):
I think he is the soul of the team. But
one a is Dereck Henry. There's always gonna be room
for exceptional people in every industry. Kyle Hamilton at Baltimore
is gonna get paid at safety. Ed Reid at Baltimore,
he got paid at safety. The great gets paid and
(40:43):
it so it just I mean, listen, the newspaper industry
has been trending down for twenty five years. You know
what makes a lot of money, The New York Times
and the Wall Street Journal. Airline industry, oh my god,
you know what. I fly to Delta. They're doing well.
I'm on American a lot. Every time I'm on American.
(41:04):
They got brand new planes. Now Boeing a plane maker's
got its issues. Delta Southwest, I'm on American Airlines planes.
They're fresh, they're new. I was on one yesterday. Beautiful,
great service, great staff. Okay, So with this Dereck Henry story,
take a deep breath, running backs have value, but signing
(41:24):
them to a second massive deal.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I mean, we all love Christian McCaffrey. He gets sting double.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Lot, right, Like for two years they wore them out
and now it's like, this is what happens. It happened
in Carolina after two big years. It's like pitchers, you
have a couple three hundred inning years. Well, you gotta
get banged up in spring training. It's not gonna be
it's not gonna be great. So Dereck Henry deserves it.
(41:51):
He's great. Sakuon Barkley got more money. He deserves it always,
especially with more young quarterbacks than ever in the league.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
What is the new number?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
One? Ally for a young quarterback, good old line and
a dependable running game. Even older quarterbacks Darnold Gino Smith
much better with a dependable run game, throwing on play action.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go our two NFL schedule release night.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It is great to be here. Jmax joining us.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Go to Boston in a second for the host of
NBC Sports Boston A Michael Holly, smart guy wrote a
Bill Belichick book. We're gonna talk about that, Jason Tatum,
Mike Frabe. A lot of stuff going on in the
New England area and the schedule release there now they
want eventually sixteen international games.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
They're gonna move it to seven this year. I'm fine with.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's like, never forget Roger Goodell has bosses, they're called owners,
and they own the domestic market. So the NFL is
going to spread out and go international. It's like Netflix,
all right, We're going to go global. We own the
domestic market.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But I think Jmak the one schedule that's interesting I
think this is a lot of whoey. So they always
have like toughest strength of schedule. But I have argued
for years that it depends. For instance, when you sign
up for your college courses, and I tell my son
and my daughter, this fall, it's beautiful in a college campus.
(01:32):
College football is going college in fall. Don't have your
hardest schedule. Do it in the winter. You're stuck inside anyway.
You're stuck inside. The spring gets sunny, you're going to
want to be outside. The fall is happening all the
good parties, you're going to want to be outside in
the winter semester or quarter right, you can just have
(01:55):
your heart at schedule. You're gonna be stuck inside anyway.
You're not going to want to go outside. You're not
going to be just it's the same with the schedule.
When are the tough games, Like there's a difference between
going to Green Bay and December and then going to
Lambeau in the second week of September. Right, especially if
you you know, have a you have a quarterback that
likes to throw the ball downfield. You don't want to
(02:16):
play in windy, cold weather in Buffalo. I'd rather play
Buffalo in September than I would October November, right, So
the Bear schedule is considered the second toughest. The structure
and order of the Bear schedule is interesting. So last year,
with Matt Eberflus and a rookie quarterback, I thought they
(02:37):
needed momentum early.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Give them an easy schedule. Early.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
They had Tennessee Week one and they won that game
thanks to Will Levis, and that was good because if
they started off zero to two, every loss for a
coach in the hot seat would be chaos. And you
don't want to have a rookie quarterback in golf with chaos.
This year, with Chicago, they have to go to Baltimore,
they have to go to Detroit. I'd rather get those
(03:02):
games out early. Get the San Francisco game out early.
At Detroit, ed, well, you're probably not going to beat
those teams early or late. What I want is and
Ben Johnson is rebuilding the old line. The old line
is the hardest unit to get cohesion. This offensive line
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is not going to be great until probably Thanksgiving in later,
and by that time you're gonna have a hard enough
time beating Detroit and Detroit, Washington and Washington or Detroit
and Detroit even if you have it, but you know what,
you would guarantee success if you're playing the Giants Cleveland
(03:46):
and New Orleans late in the year. Your offensive line
with Dolman and Tooney in this left tackle from BC
everybody loves and all of a sudden, it's November. You
got the offensive line cooking. Ben Johnson and and Caleb
Williams are locked in arms. They're seeing the same world
and here come some tomato cans as you're trying to
(04:08):
grow and fight for that wild card spot behind Detroit,
who has a much better overall roster. So get the
losses out of the way. Last year, it's like win early.
It's your only chance to avoid chaos. If you started
zero to two, it's not ideal. But if Caleb's playing
well and Caleb's improving and you lose a couple of
games late because your defense has holes, you're fine. There's
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no chaos. They got the right coach. So I think
the indicator for the Bear schedule is I'd rather get
some of those big dogs out of the way, because
even if you're flying high, you're not going to beat
Baltimore and Baltimore anyway. Baltimore's beating the Rams, Baltimore, Clawberd,
San Francisco and Detroit the last couple of years in
(04:52):
a red hot Miami team in Baltimore, You're not winning
that game.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Get it out of the way early.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
What I want late is momentum and confidence and the
Giants and Cleveland and the Saints teams that could be
resting starters because they're trying to get a number one
picked and without a guy I respect a lot. Michael Hawley,
NBC Sports, Boston, New York Times Bestsellers, joining US Lives.
There was a ton going on in Boston. How are you, Michael.
It's great to see you again, but continued success for you.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Hey, good to see you too, Colin.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I'm doing great, just getting ready for the depression that
is certainly coming tonight at Boston Garden.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And I think it's.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Officially a home game, Colin for the Celtics, but there
have been a lot of Knicks fans at Game one,
Game two. I'd say it was probably seventy five percent
Celtics fans, twenty five percent Nicks. Who knows some of
the Celtics season tickets ticket holders and say I'm going
to sell my tickets.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Let these New Yorkers come in and celebrate.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
So I think it's gonna be a fifty to fifty atmosphere,
a lot of orange and blue at the Garden tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Obviously, the Tatum injury is awful, but new owner five
hundred million dollars payroll, Horford, old Drew Holiday looked really
Old porzingis not the mystery illness.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Could I not argue?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And I know it, forget the Tatum injury, but they
were going to lose this series to me pre Tatum injuries.
Four minutes before that injury, New York was making every
basket and had total control. Could I not argue, regardless
of the Tatum injury, that getting knocked out is a
little bit of a wake up call that there are
still elements here that it needed tweaking. Anyway, what you
(06:34):
don't want to become is Milwaukee holding on to something
after a title or Denver now Michael holding on to
Denver's not a title team. Milwaukee got wailed. There is
a glimmer of hope losing to the Knicks. It's a
little bit of a wake up call.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Maybe Yeah, it's just kyl, you know, what you know,
how it is New York Boston.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You're right, but it's you don't want the way up
call to come. Now come in the second round.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I was supposed to come with New Yorkers involved Boston,
New York. That goes back years. But I would say this,
I think that was coming anyway. So let's say they
win the championship. Let's say they sweep New York and
they take on Indiana and beat them, they win the
championship again. Well, Drew Holliday was unlikely to come back
because of these payroll issues. Porzingis was unlikely to come back.
(07:27):
Either Horford's going to retire or go somewhere else, so
they had some tweaking to do. Anyway, This wasn't this
wasn't necessary. I mean, you can't lose back to back
games at home at the start of the series the
way they did.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Like look at Game.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
One, They're up by twenty points in that game and
the Knicks come back and win it.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So you could say, we'll never let that happen again.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
We won't miss forty five threes again, we won't shoot
like that. And they came back in the next game.
They were up by twenty and they did the same
thing again. So I don't know if that's a talent
issue or is that just your perspective is all wrong,
your philosophy is all wrong and you need to adjust that.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, I thought Joe Mozoula has had a bad series.
I'm not somebody I used to alwas joke with Bill Simmons.
I said, you're two tough on coaches.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Hine, that's an understatement.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, I mean I said this, he has one He
has one club in his golf bag. It's like guys,
when the three shots aren't falling, iso ball top of
the arc is not good enough. You watch Chris Finch
pull levers Spulstra curve for years, Tom Thibodeaux pull levers.
I don't think Joe has pulled the right levers. I
don't think they're gonna j Mack has said on my
show if Missoula gets embarrassed, he could be gone as
(08:46):
a former coach. I don't see Brad Stevens as a
run him out of the building guy to you.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
No, no, uh.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
And the Celtics not only is Brad Stevens not that guy,
the Celtics aren't that organization.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I'm trying to think about the last time they fired.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I guess the last time they fired a coach, and
it was an unusual circumstance.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
It was Eme Udoka.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
But Doc Rivers was there for nine years, Brad Stevens
was there for nine or ten years. They had the
Udoka situation. But they loved Missoula and what he's doing.
This is not a philosophy that he invented. It's something
that he endorses. But this is organizational. They loved read
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Over too, and we like the pressure it puts on defenses.
We got guys who can shoot it, and we're going
to take advantage of it. So he has had bad
series before. I don't think this series, even losing in
five games, which is a real possibility, I don't think
that will get him out the door.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So I just defended Belichick.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I said, listen, you could be Uber trying to overtake Taxis.
You could be Oregon. Years ago, when I was on
the West coast, Michael was looking up at Washington and
USC and UCLA and they said, you know what, those
are traditional powers. We're gonna wear a thousand uniforms. We're
gonna hire this guy from New Hampshire, Chip Kelly have
offensive play every thirteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
We are a disruptor.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And now Oregon looks down at all those schools and
they're not Penn State. The advantage of not having great tradition.
You can go New North Carolina looks at Clemson. Now
Clemson's dug their feet in no nil, no portal, and
Carolina is like, you know what we're gonna do an Oregon,
We're gonna go to a pro model. We're gonna hire Belichick,
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Mike Lombardi. We're gonna go total pro model or a
basketball school. And Jordan Hudson and Bill are actually simultaneously
catalysts for the change. She's beautiful and cool and on
social Bill's an NFL guy, not a college guy. I
am defending they are being disruptive and that is the
only way Michael Is, you know, to catch the big dog,
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to catch Taxis is to be uber and do it
the opposite way. But that said twenty four and seventy
three makes people uncomfortable. How is it playing for iconic
Belichick in New England? What do people think in Boston?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
They're freaked out. They're freaked out by the college and
I am too. This is so This is so out
of character for him. Not being in love or in
like whatever he is with a beautiful woman. That's not
out of character for Bill. What's out of character is
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the loss of control. He is a grade A control freak.
He doesn't like anybody to speak for him. He handles
media situations. You can argue sometimes he handles them poorly,
but he handles them himself. He doesn't like to be
out there and anybody to kind of represent him in
a way that makes them uncomfortable. But this has all changed,
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and I know we try to walk it back a
little bit and saying Jordan has nothing to do with
North Carolina football. I don't believe that he gave her.
He gave her power, and I don't think he has
taken that power away. She's not going to be as
visible with North Carolina football, but I believe she's going
to have a lot to do with it.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
So it's just it's not the Bill Belichick that we saw.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
It's not the on the Cincinnati Belichick. It's not the
guy grumbling in front of the media and giving you
one and two word answers. It's actually Belichick stepping back
and letting someone else come forward.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It's shocking.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So I was telling a friend.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That was grumbling about politics in America, and he was grumbling.
He said, my party, Democrats were lost, And I said, listen,
Democrats were lost pre Clinton, then they weren't. Republicans were
lost pre Reagan, then they weren't. I said, if you
find the right person, it's amazing what happens to a
political party. And I feel this about the NFL. Patriots
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are lost. I think Drake May is the next Justin Herbert.
I think Rabel's great, and I think they will be
the most improved team in the league. The last three
years they have been lost. They've been toned af to offense,
they can't draft. I think this is the beginning of
a great ten to twelve year run. Are people that
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I really do? I think again, I think if Michael
It's a quarterback coach league Fuffalo was.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
A mess, then they're not.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I think I think this is the beginning of the
next great chapter.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Are you that optimistic?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I am not that optimistic yet, So ten to twelve
years that's saying a lot. And I and you you
kind of toned it down because didn't I hear you say?
I said, I'm so glad we're talking today. I'm not
gonna talk to Colin about this. Didn't you say they're
going from worse to first? You got them in first
place in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
No, I said, I said they're gonna make the playoffs.
They're gonna be the They're gonna be. Every year, I
pick a team that's gonna double their win total. Last
year it was Washington, This year it's New England. The
year before, by the way, it was the Rams, who
were considered a rebuild team and made the playoffs. Year
before that it was Minnesota. I may stink picking winners
against the spread. I'm really good on finding a cruddy
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team that gets good. And I think Gerard Mayo was
a wonderful guy, but I think he was a classic coordinator,
not a head coach. I think Rabel's worth four and
a half points alone.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Again, Okay, I'll give you that. I love Mike Rabel,
and I don't know if I've ever told you this story.
I covered him in high school. We're about the same age.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
By the way.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Okay, I had just started at the Akron Beacon Journal,
and he was at a high school called Walt's Jesuit
and he was a defensive end tight end and the
same wise ass then that he is right now.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
For a long time I root for him.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I'm a big fan of his but I think their
talent got to the point because of Belichick.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Their talent was so low.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I mean, I think there are bottom five talent in
the league, and this infusion of free agents and draft picks,
I think best case scenario probably gets them to the
middle of the pack talent wise. They still have some
work to do, so I think they'll be much improved.
I got them at seven or eight wins, Max. I'd
be really surprised if they find enough in year one
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under Brabel to get into the playoff because it's just
too much damage done the last four or five years.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Finally, I want to circle back to the Knicks and
the Celtics. Is I think one of the things I
love about sports is the cultural changes. Three point shots
in the NBA. But it's really interesting. These playoffs have
been fascinating, Michael, because the NBA has always swallowed the
whistle in the postseason. This year it's a tug of war,
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it's a fistfight, and I'm going to make the argument,
circling back to this, that if this is what the
league is going to allow in May June, that the
Knicks today are better built than the Celtics going forward,
big physical, defensive coach, get a bucket superstar guard that
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they don't. The Knicks don't need a massive swing. They
need to get more consistent at center. Cat can't defend
Mitchell Robinson, can't hit a free throw. But the league
this analytics sounds great, Michael, until the league says, yet,
we're gonna officiate the playoffs totally differently than the regular season,
and that New York may be better built going forward.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I might buy that.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
If the league says we're gonna be consistent with this,
we'll go back. We won't go back to the nineties
when the Knicks and Rockets were in the playoffs and
all those scores were is awful. All those scores were
in the seventies and eighties. We're not going to go
back there. But we're not going to allow just anybody.
We're not going to allow for next ball. We'll do
something in the middle that's right by that I'll say
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right now, and I didn't think this last week a
better team.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
They are Celtics.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
But Colin, I got something for you.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I'll tell you who's better than both of them, and
my pick to win the NBA championship. Oh, get ready,
Indiana Pacers. The Indiana Pacers I think are more physical
than the Knicks. I think they're better than the Knicks.
And I know New York says, hey, we had you know,
we didn't have Jalen Brunson last year. He got heard
and broke his wrisk. The Pacers are a team. We're
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talking about Celtics in New York. We need to be
talking more about the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And I think with.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Your theory what the NBA allows, I think that suits
the Pacers more than anybody else in basketball.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Well, Halliburton and Caitlin Clark, middle of the Country's got
their basketball point guards ready to go. Michael Hally, who's
been doing great work forever in New York Times best
selling offer multiple books on Belichick, looks about twenty nine
years old.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You do not age, my friend.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You are sharp and I swaar got Vrabel is starting
to look like me. And uh, you look as always.
You do great work. You know I respect the heck
Addie I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I appreciate you man anytime. You know that, Colin, all.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Right, Michael Hawley, who's just been doing great work in
the Boston area for a long long time. And I
gotta watch all those Boston guys.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I told her that felgir on radio, Michael Michael Holly
Kern's doing stuff. That's a good market. J Mack, how
about that you called Indiana. You've been a pro Indiana
guy for two years now.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
You know what my my my friend on the volume,
Jason timp He said two nights ago, he said, Indiana's
gonna beat New York. I'm sorry if you're going to
allow physical play they got Indiana is long.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Big, That's what she said.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
So, Colin, if you look at last year's Nicks Pacers series,
two of the four best players on the next were
Donde de Vincenzo and Alec Burks. Okay, they're enter Mikail
Bridges at Karl Anthony Towns. This is a way better
Knicks team than they had last year against the Pacers.
That being said, yes, the matchups are good, but they
got three guys they can throw at Aliburton. Bridges heart,
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and I do believe og Nnoby can get physical with him.
The Cavs at zero. You know Darius Garland, you know
they're calling him Darius Garbage in Cleveland this week.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
They're so angry with Garland, the injury.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
The shooting.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Cleveland didn't have any matchups for Halliburton. Siakam went nuts.
I think this is a great series and the Knicks
playing at home, assuming they get by Boston. N I'll
give the Knicks. I'll say the Knickson seven in a great,
great series.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
All right, good stuff coming up, Chandler Parsons Last Hour.
It's the NFL schedule released tonight. We know some of
the big games, but I do think it matters. I
think the order of games matters for coaches on the
hot seat, for teams with offensive lines that are new,
like Minnesota is revamping their offensive line, Chicago has read
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ulter offensive line, Kansas City's got questions on the offensive line.
Niners have questions on the offensive line. That is a
hard unit to grow cohesion. So those teams, I mean,
there's like I think Chicago is going to be really good,
but I don't. I think September I'd rather get the
losses out of the way at Baltimore, at Detroit. I
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don't think you're beating those teams late. I think Chicago
needs confidence building wins over Cleveland, the New York Giants,
the New Orleans Saints, teams that could be resting starters
to get a better pick late, because I think Chicago's
a playoff team, and you want to go into that
playoff winning five of six, six of seven. Young team,
new O Line, second year quarterback, feeling great about yourself.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
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Speaker 1 (20:57):
Major International seven international games are going to have three
in London, one in Ireland, one in Germany, one in Spain,
one in Brazil. The Vikings are back to back weeks,
once in Dublin, once in London's that's interesting, you know,
I don't think it's unfair.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think they're experimenting.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
They just decided we're going to experiment with the Vikings
team that's already got some questions. So you know, a
couple of years ago, two years ago, the NFL of
the top one hundred shows in America on TV they
had ninety three. Now last year was a political year,
they had like seventy two seventy three. But every four
years politics kind of screws up TV. But the NFL
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is like Netflix. They owned the best market.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Let's go. Investors want global growth. It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I'm not somebody that digs my feet in on stuff
like I know the NIL and the transfer portal. You know,
I'll never watch college football again. Oh stop, Ohio State's
playing Michigan. You'll watch. Oregon's going to be playing usc
You'll watch Texas is going to be playing Georgia. We're
all going to watch.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I pouted when I'm eleven. I'm a sports fan. I
don't pout now. I just stuff changes. Get used to it.
So and college football today is better. It's got more movement,
there's more transitioning. It makes you uncomfortable, like Belichick and Carolina,
There's it's a little odd, but that's the world we
live in. I do think baseball had to be dragged,
kicking and screaming into change. And now they're playing over
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in Japan, and they played in London, and I think
it's more fun.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
So I just think this is part of it.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I'm you know, I think I don't think it's good,
you know, having a West Coast team go east, But
I look at it as an opportunity. You're going to
take twenty five year old kids, You're taking them over
to the Dublin or Spain. It's a great opportunity, and
both teams have to play in it. So in Minnesota
is a little weird playing two games. Roger Goodell talked
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about the international growth.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
We feel like this game is destined to be global.
We expect to be an Asia soon, we expect to
be in Australia. So we're gonna we're gonna make sure
that our game is available around the globe.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And listen again, Netflix and the NFL they won in America.
They're looking, they're looking for the next frontier, right. You know,
Brazil seems a bit far for me, but I'm going
to London in a couple of weeks. It's it's quicker
for me to fly from the East Coast to London
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than it is to Los Angeles, So it didn't bother me.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And I think it's a great game.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
It's listen, we've seen international soccer, Come West, everybody wins.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's a good road trip. Jmick of the News, No, no,
this is the herd Line News. London.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I love that city. That's gonna be fun. Thanks for
the invict By the way, buddy, I'm going with my son.
They'll me more fun anyway.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
On the midion, I guess all right, Colin, let's get started.
Indiana Pacers, you know it, baby. My team extinguished the
Cavs last night.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
When they win. They were down.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Seventeen early, came back behind Halliburton. Cleveland shockingly went zero
to three at home in this series. That was after
not losing consecutive games in Cleveland during the regular season.
Here's Donovan Mitchell talking about the feelings of losing in
the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
I haven't been asleep yet, probably watch the game twice.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
It's tough, man, the embarrassment. I hope we all feel it.
And I think we doi sixty four win season. We
were slated to be up here. We lost for to one.
I will defend them.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Indiana's really good, and they went into this series with
a bunch of injuries and they just never found their rhythm. So,
I mean, Tatum got hurt. By the time Tatum was hurt,
New York was winning the series. These guys came into
a series no mobiley they didn't have a point guard Garland.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Soo, he only missed a gate. It's not the end.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
I mean, so let me look at this from this way.
So Donovan Mitchell, where is he in the hierarchy of
good players? Because Colin our staff put together a list.
He's playing in the league.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Eight years, He's.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Made the playoffs every year. He can't get out of
the second round of the playoffs. Now it's just so hard.
But he was in the west right with the jazz,
and then he's in the east of the caves and
it's like, I mean, there's a little bit of a
bad look.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And I'm not blaming Mitchell. He's superb.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Darius Garland and a rough series, you know, Colin interesting
once you drill down on the stats doing the post wartem,
the Celtics and Cabs were two of the best three.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Point shooting teams this year. Yeah, what happened in the playoffs?
Both went cold.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
The Pacers outshot the Cabs from three in the series
and it wasn't close.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I I for the record, I'm a huge fan of this.
I have been on this now for you've been here
for five years with me or four years I've been
on this. I like analytics, I don't love them. And
NBA playoff basketball has always been about two things. Get
a bucket and get a stop. New York's really good
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at getting a bucket, and to stop. They're really good
at it. Indiana. This three point avalanche, and I think, listen,
Adam Silver, commissioners have a right. People aren't talking about this.
Roger Goodell did not like the catch rule. He literally
changed it in a Super Bowl between New England and Philadelphia.
Remember the Eagles had a juggling catch in the end
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zone and they gave it to him. They said this okay,
And Adam Silver came on our show and talked about
this homogeneous three point parade.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, what stops it?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Physical play right, make bumping players, not calling the whistle.
These playoffs have been about teams, by the way, Minnesota,
New York, Indiana, it stops and they get buckets. We
don't think of them now now and history point shooting
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was through the roof. But if you really watch what
is happening, the league tweak their rules We're going to
allow the most physical basketball we've we've ever had, and
it's it's hurting finesse three point driven teams.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
That's a fair statement. I don't know where the Calves
go from here.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I do think the Tatum injury in Boston means Cleveland
should be like, guys, we're freaking close. Can we get
a three and D wing. We thought it was DeAndre Hunter.
He's probably not that guy.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
He was close. It certainly is not Ocoro, but they
need a three and D wing. I think the Calves
can win the East Exar College. It's basically next year Calves.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Nicks and Pacers. I'm sorry to Boston fans, You're not
there unless.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You make a bit try we take it out of
the season. Next up.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Oh man, This game last night between Denver and Okase
was unbelievable. You know, before the game, there was an
interesting story that emerged from a good reporter, Ramona Shell,
and buried in the story was a beast between Russell
Westbrook and Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon called Westbrook immature earlier
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in the series and the two got in a heated discussion.
So of course people were not happy that this got out.
Here's Aaron Gordon addressing the report.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
Really, I don't feel like talking about the game. Earlier,
I caught wind of an article that came out about
Russell Westbrook and in our locker room after Game two,
which was a completely arbitrary article and pointless and unnecessary.
That conversation wasn't for anybody other than our own group,
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and then the internal workings of our locker room. So
that article is just so arbitrary and so far from
the truth. Russ is being amazing for us, and not
only is he a great basketball player, but he's an
even better human being.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
All Right, let me be clear here.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
He did not deny the stuff from mona Sellboard reported
it very clearly happened.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
He's just unhappy that it got out.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
Now.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Here's your thoughts on Russell Westbrook and Gordon having beef.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, I mean, Russell Westbrook had beefs with kids at games.
I mean, Russell is a lot and I have defended
him all postseason. He is a kind of one gear,
one hundred mile an hour, one hundred mile an hour personality.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
He can't downshift as a guy or as a player.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I love the energy he brings to a team in
Denver that often looks old and tired. So I have
supported him, but I just think this is Russ. I
know Lebron's camp felt exhausted by Russell Westbrook. They were
exhausted by him, that he just he didn't like anybody.
Kevin durantir Yeah, I mean so Durant got. I think
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Russell is that's his personality. He has got one gear.
It can be unbelievable, it is valuable, but it is.
He may not be somebody that you're you're not gonna
have the kind of relationship, but it's just easy. Russell's
not easy, and that's okay, not everybody is.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
You've started to use Foxhole guy listen. Russ appears to
be a great human being. All the reports are that
he's great. I think he has a chip on his
shoulder dating back to high school where he wasn't heavily recruited.
Then he's sprung up with a grossbert and you see,
LA's like, come on down. He's had beef with Steph
Curry historically throughout the league. He's very jealous of Steph
Curry and this this report is just kind of a killer.
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That being said Colin, Uh, can you cat force a
game seven? Can he get them there? Because listen, they've
been they've been the better team in these last two
games against okay See. They just fell apart late because
they were exhausted. They had nothing left in the tank.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Now I think okay See is gonna win the series.
I think they're just Denver is Denver is so overly dependent.
I mean, it's like, congrats to okay See. That's my
feeling is I mean, it's just like I think the
won the series, and I think the thunder of won
the series. Remember, Houston had what Oklahoma City has in
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terms of depth of roster, but they didn't have finishers.
Okay s He's got finishers on that offense. It's not
Fred van Vliet. It's the best scorer in the league
and one of the best twos. Like Houston has a
lot of Okac, but you don't trust him late in games.
You trust Stephen Butler. Okay SE's the better team, and
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I think I think it's over.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
One last note on RUSS. Last three games of.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Which Denver's lost to Russ is six of twenty seven tooting.
So that honeymoon phase against the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
That's over. He's missing open shots now.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Final story Colin Tonight, Timberwolves look to close out the Warriors,
and Steph Curry's not coming back. He is not going
to play. He's reference that multiple times. But I think
we need to get some props to Julius Randall, who
has been amazing in this postseason run. He credits an
NBA legend for shaking his rep vita as a player
that fades in the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
I'll battled through a lot in my career, to be honest.
So I mean, my first game in my career, I
broke my leg. You know what I mean. So it's
I've been through a lot. I had a great mentor
in Kobe, you know that didn't necessarily let me pout
or get down on myself. You know, his thing was
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always all right, what's next? You know, how can you
get better? How can you improve? So always just kind
of took that mentality with me.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
This guy deserves a ton of credit, and so does
the coaching staff. I remember when he was a Laker
and the league was transitioning to a three ball league,
and the feeling was Randall like a Tristan Thompson. The
culture was changing and it wasn't going to benefit his game.
He became a little better shooter outside in New York
and now he's become a better distributor and a true
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number two. This is a combination of Julius Randall working
his butt off and not letting a new culture and
analytics define him. And it's also a credit to the
Minnesota staff because you and I didn't trust him in
the playoffs last year. I didn't trust him early this year.
I talked to Chris Finch off the air. I was like,
I don't know if Randall works. I'm not and he's like,
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it's working. It just give us time. Well, you watch
him now and you're like, that is a player, and
he's obviously a coachable player, and this is obviously a
very good coaching staff. This is the magic of good coaching,
where where like you could have said, Randall is just listening,
he's just he's a good number three. His ability to
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take coaching take to it, and Minnesota's ability to see
the gem that he is. The Lakers couldn't figure out
what to do with him, and Minnesota has.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
You made a great point the maturation of Randall and
again and I want to just hammer this home to
guys who are looking at Cooper Flag and saying, oh,
he's going to be Scottie Pippen or this. Like we
looked at Randall and said, oh he can do this,
he can't do that. Well, here he is, six seven
years later doing the stuff that he wasn't doing before.
Like you said, he used to be a black hole.
When the Knicks got in the ball, it was going up.
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He's not passing anybody. He has now become like a
triple double guy. He had a triple double in the series.
He has been excellent. I didn't see it coming Colin.
He's been a clear number two. I am curious. He's
gonna probably go up against chet holmger.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
In next round.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
That's gonna be a difficult matchup Homegrin's long. I kind
of like the Wolves in that series. I don't know
where you are. I mean it's early, obviously neither series over,
but it won't be as easy for Randall next round.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I don't know who I like in that series. I
really don't.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
We both like Minnesota over Golden State, I thought, but.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I think when I think of Minnesota, I think of
ant and coaching. I think they've this is a Minnesota's
got a bunch of disparate parts that should not be
this good. I mean, honestly, Conley's way past his prime,
ant submerging. Randall was always a three masquerading as a two.
Go Bear's got no offensive game, nasry energy guy, undrafted
(35:02):
and it all works.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
And we say this all the time.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
In the NFL, Patriots never had You could argue with
Randy Moss they did. They never had the best roster.
I would argue Kansas City doesn't have. I mean, Kansas
City's won two been in three straight Super Bowls. They
don't have Detroit roster. They don't have Philadelphia's roster. I
don't think they have Baltimore's roster. It's it's a lot
of this is coaching and using B players and elevating
(35:27):
them the B plus' and anuses.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
And that's what the Chris bench and the staff have done.
You mentioned the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
We will talk about them a lot tomorrow. Their schedule
is brutal Colin.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
It's not fully out yet, but what we've seen.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
All right.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
J mclanews, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
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Speaker 1 (37:09):
So I've grumbled about this before, but I think maybe
this is because media is more corporate. Therefore it's cheaper,
less expensive, younger, less experienced, and they overreact to everything.
But I think when people say they don't trust the media,
I don't and I'm in it, and I'm just there's
a Joe Biden book coming out from Jake Tapper.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Why would you trust the media? I mean, one element
of our media.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
While the rest of us could watch memes on tech
talk about a president that had mostly become a walking
bowl of oatmeal, the media was telling us, sharp as
a tack, there's a reason people don't trust the media. AI,
it's going to end the world. No, it's going to
create millions of new jobs and we'll eliminate some Probably
(37:56):
coders could be in a little trouble, but I don't
think the best of us are going to have to
find new jobs, learn how to use AI, and you'll
keep yours and retain it and grow. I mean, COVID
was awful, but in a country of three hundred and
forty million people, yes, like a million one died, it's awful,
almost overwhelmingly all over seventy five. It wasn't the common cold,
(38:19):
but the fear mongering was terrifying, Like nobody wanted to
leave their house. The stock market fluctuations, they're down, they're up.
It's all going to be okay about a year ago,
year and a half ago. In sports now, this doesn't
obviously is not a perfect analogy because it doesn't really
mean anything. But watching the overreaction to certain running backs
(38:42):
not getting a contract was ridiculous. Nobody the NFL running backs,
This is outrageous.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
They're going to get paid.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
You probably shouldn't sign them to massive second contracts. But
Saquon Barkley, Eric Henry, you don't think there's a market
for them. Jonathan Taylor. I just saw a story Derek
Henry and the Ravens two year deal, thirty million dollar extension,
and he's an old guy.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Who takes a beating.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
There's always a market for football players who are exceptional.
And the media, and I get a lot of the
media is in their twenties and early thirties. They haven't
experienced things before, so any fluctuation or change, it's the
first time they've seen it. Listen, safeties for about ten years,
nobody wanted to pay. When I was a kid growing up,
it was Troy Paula Milou not growing up, but Ronnie Lott,
(39:34):
Kenny Easley.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Safeties were big headhunters.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
And then there was like a time where safeties were
like nobody wanted to pay. Earl Thomas like, you don't
want to pay safety. The Rams, by the way, really
value safeties. There are a handful of teams Baltimore really
value safeties. Baltimore and the Rams value it. They're pretty good.
Tight Ends for years and years were neglected. Not anymore,
people are paying tight ends. Guards you can't draft to
(40:00):
guard early.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Joe Toney's pretty good, so is Quentin Nelson. Running back
to the last player in the NFL. You can hit high,
low ankles, knees, head. If they're coming through the line
and you hit them, it's fair game. They don't last
as long, even the big guys. But value, I would argue,
Sakwan Barkley is the Eagles. I love Lamar Jackson, and
(40:23):
I think he is the soul of the team. But
one a is Dereck Henry. There's always gonna be room
for exceptional people in every industry. Kyle Hamilton at Baltimore
is gonna get paid at safety. Ed Reid at Baltimore,
he got paid at safety. The great gets paid and
(40:43):
it so it just I mean, listen, the newspaper industry
has been trending down for twenty five years. You know
what makes a lot of money, The New York Times
and the Wall Street Journal. Airline industry, oh my god,
you know what. I fly to Delta. They're doing well.
I'm on American a lot. Every time I'm on American.
(41:04):
They got brand new planes. Now Boeing a plane maker's
got its issues. Delta Southwest, I'm on American Airlines planes.
They're fresh, they're new. I was on one yesterday. Beautiful,
great service, great staff. Okay, So with this Dereck Henry story,
take a deep breath, running backs have value, but signing
(41:24):
them to a second massive deal.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I mean, we all love Christian McCaffrey. He gets sting double.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Lot, right, Like for two years they wore them out
and now it's like, this is what happens. It happened
in Carolina after two big years. It's like pitchers, you
have a couple three hundred inning years. Well, you gotta
get banged up in spring training. It's not gonna be
it's not gonna be great. So Dereck Henry deserves it.
(41:51):
He's great. Sakuon Barkley got more money. He deserves it always,
especially with more young quarterbacks than ever in the league.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
What is the new number?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
One? Ally for a young quarterback, good old line and
a dependable running game. Even older quarterbacks Darnold Gino Smith
much better with a dependable run game, throwing on play action.
All Right, we've got a lot of stuff. Oklahoma City
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