December 3, 2021 • 40 mins
Colin's new Blazing 5 Picks for the weekend
The view on leaving teams has completely changed
Guest: Tory Holt
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We're live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you
may be, and however you may be listening iHeartRadio, Fox
Sports Radio and f S one. Everybody here's still joking
about Brian Kelly's speech down in the South. Just start
once you start recruiting. A Northern coach goes to the
South to recruit against SEC schools. All I'm saying is
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you walk into that house and those Northern coaches start saying,
y'all a lot, because I've talked to him. You're going
into if you're a Northern coach, enemy territory, and those
Southern families like, who's this Nordard coach? Then yeah, then
you start saying, ma'am, y'all. Well, it's easy applause guy,
He's he's in an arena talking to students. What's he
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supposed to talk about? We are going to early establish
a standard of education here, change the culture. Like No,
he's gonna go in there and say things that a
big group of people are all gonna respond to, which
is we're gonna win a bunch of games and he's
gonna put an extra draw when he says tigers. So
years ago, tigers, goods go Tigers. I love it. Also,
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he's not he doesn't care about what gets your jokes off.
He's got money up to his ears, he can't hear. Yeah,
he doesn't care, but it is funny years ago. Um,
I've done probably fifteen shows in my life on a
college campus. So whenever I would do a big ten school,
a lot of beer jokes, a lot of party jokes. Yeah,
that's what you joke about. When you go to West
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Point where I did a show, they're not allowed alcohol.
You talk about values and morals more serious. I'm more serious,
more adult, because there's restrictions on that campus or that
military academy. So you just you figure out very quickly
the room and what joke works and what doesn't, what's
appropriate and what's not reading the room is very important,
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especially when you're the woman with the microphone. I was
at a charity event once where a comedian did not
read the room. Oh it's bad. I mean you and
I don't do awkward well sweating. I'm not even I'm
in the back of the room and I'm sweating, like
this is not going well. Yeah, all right, all the
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odds provided by Fox bet Sports Book. Here we go
are blazing five. Let's blaze it up up. It's Collins
blazing fives at Bengal. I'm gonna take the Chargers and
the points. I made a lot of money betting against
the charge this year. But outside of Minnesota, the Chargers
play more close games than any team in the NFL,
and justin Herbert this year top five and virtually everything completions,
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first downs, passing, touchdowns. The Bengals are a really good team,
coming off their most dominating performance in twenty years over
the Steelers. Regression to the mean, they'll pull back. By
the way. The Bengals are four and oh this year
against the Steelers, the Jaguars, and the Lions. They're three
and four against everybody else. Burrow has been sacked twenty
or thirteen times over the last month, second most in
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the league, and the Chargers have a pass rush. I
think it's a fun, entertaining game. Chargers take the points,
win it outright upset twenty seven twenty six Eagles and Jets.
Favorite bet of the week. I love Philadelphia minus six
and a half to the best rushing team in the league,
which is remarkable. It's all about Jalen Hurts. They don't
have a single player with a hundred yard rushing game
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this year, and yet they lead the NFL and rushing,
and they lead it in rushing yards town rushing differential.
It's not even close. This is a Jalen hurt story.
If you haven't faced him, he's a handful. They've outrushed
their opponents by one hundred and thirty yards per game
over the last five games. Nobody in the NFL is
even in the hundreds, and the Jets defense is the
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worst scoring defense in the NFL, second worst yards per play.
Philadelphia is going to go in there, dominate the clock,
be a nightmare for the Jets defense. Take the Eagles
to win handily. Thirty three twenty three Ravens at Steelers, Folks,
these games are always close. What's my rule when good
organizations are humiliated. Take him the next week. Pittsburgh plus four.
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I'm going with him. Since John Harbaugh arrived in Baltimore,
the average Steeler raven different in the game is one point.
This is one of the best rivalries in football. Six
of the last Steer seven Steeler games decided by one possession.
The Ravens offense is struggling. It can be awful, held
under eighteen points in four of their last five games.
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Lamar Jackson four picks last week. His turnovers have gone
way up this year. He's in a rot. He's in
a slump. And the Steelers at Mike Tomlin are a
proud defense and a proud organization. The Ravens defense, by
the way, allows six yards to play nause Harris, He's
gonna have a little bit of himself an afternoon. If
you play fantasy football, I think he's gonna have a
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good afternoon. I'm gonna take an upset. Take the points.
Steelers over Baltimore twenty one Broncos in Chiefs. Everybody loves
Andy Reid abye doesn't mean he covers the spread. Kansas
City has become one of the worst against the spread
teams in the league, even off a bye, and the
Broncos defense this year, Vic fan Joe is outstanding. It's
a really good defense. Nine points is way too many
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for a rivalry game in division. Opposing quarterbacks passer ratings
this year against Denver's eighty two and Mahomes's passer rating
in four of his last five games is eighty or below.
I like Kansas City to win here, but this is
a rivalry game and excellent defensive staff, good personnel. I
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think it's choppy. I take the Chiefs to win twenty
six twenty three, but nine is way too many points here.
Patriots said, Bills depends on the line. But right now
it's Buffalo minus two and a half at home in
a snowstorm. I'm gonna take Buffalo in that instance now.
Earlier in the week it was a bigger number, but
at two and a half, I'll take Buffalo. Listen, their
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defense is great and it's going to be a snowstorm, Okay.
Their defense this year is first or second in yards, points,
opposing passer rating, and the weather's bad, so a defense
has the curtain of bad weather behind it. Josh Allen
seven games with one hundred plus passer rating by the
way last year against the Patriots two and oh five
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tits one picks. Belichick has struggled in the last couple
of games against Josh Allen. I am taking this. Is
really feels like it was gonna be Buffalo's division, and
here comes the rookie quarterback, and I think the snow
and the Bills pushback. New England struggles to move the ball.
Twenty seven Buffalo twenty New England. You know, I'm not
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a huge fan of snow games unless it helps me
in betting. But I will say this weekend, I think
that's gonna be fun. I think that's gonna be the
game of the weekend. So I'm gonna take some underdogs,
the Chargers, the Steelers, the Broncos underdogs, and the favorite
Eagles my favorite pick of the week, and I'll take
the Bills minus two and a half. Fox Sports Bet.
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All right, let's bring on Tory Holt eleven years, seven
Pro Bowls, gonna get a lot of volts already in
the College Hall of Fame, Super Bowl champion, one of
the great receivers, making his seconds to appearance on the show.
How are you, Tory? Good to see you against a
couple of weekends ago or weeks ago, a couple of
Super Bowls. So we were talking about this. Some times,
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I think fans know there are slot receivers, yeah, and
then there's your perimeter receiver, and the perimeter receiver is
usually there's there's a catching radius. He's faster. The slot
guys are Cole Beasley, Edelman, they're quick. Um and so OBJ,
Robert Woods does not get a lot of love. Robert's
got a lot of hines Ward. He does the dirty stuff,
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he blocks, he's physical. Yeah, yeah, nobody ever understood how
good hines Ward was. But he does, you know exactly.
And Robert Woods and so Robert leaves and OBJ comes in,
and to a lot of fans it's like, well, Obj's
is a great player. I don't think it works. I
think this is going to be a struggle because Obj
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is not Robert Woods. And I watched last week and
I'm like, no, they're they're trying, They're forcing Obj. When
you look at OBJ ideally, what would he be in
what kind of offense? I think what you saw last
week against the Packers is what Odell Beckham is. You
saw he still has the ability to get open. Yeah,
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against one on one coverage, he could also be double coverage.
As you saw in that game, the Packers were as
you see here the double move. Yeah that's a great route. Yeah,
great technique and then the ability to finish. And the
Packers were sitting on some of these rams routes and
then they came back with the double move. I think
they should do more of that with Odell Beckham because
he has the ability to win on every route in
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the route. Tree still runs incredibly and he can still run,
and he can run, which will set up double moves
for Odell Beckham. So I think more double moves for
him going forward. You'll see and yes he's not Robert Woods,
and Robert Woods is not him. Robert Woods added a
dimension to the run game, to the passing game as well,
and as well as blocking. Yeah, Odell Beckham to me
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can still do some of the jets. This is my opinion.
I think he can still do some of the jet sweeps,
the reverses. That's part of Sean mcvay's offense that will
allow them to somewhat stay on schedule. It's still gonna
take some getting used to. This is different. This is chemistry.
That him and Matthew Stafford is trying to build, and
you don't do that overnight. Though they're professionals. I think
the fans and even myself are expecting to do it
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a little quicker, but it's going to take time. That
requires chemistry, that requires practice, that requires conversation, and I
think as they go forward, you'll see he and Matthew
Stafford continue to get on the same page, which will
ultimately help this offense be a little bit more. So
they be a little bit more, but be more dimensional,
be more diverse than what you know, what we saw
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in the past when this ramps team. So I was
saying this yesterday. I like Amari Cooper a lot. If
he plays five or six more years, puts up these numbers,
he'll get some Hall of Fame votes. But I've always
felt a quarterback to be great to get the big bag,
the forty million, you have to elevate that. You can't
be elevated, right. I mean, we all know Calvin Johnson
helped Matt Stafford, but in the end, Calvin Johnson didn't
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have huge production in college because the quarterback wasn't an
NFL quarterback. So when I watch Amari Cooper with Dak
and he's still not there. Of the COVID stuff he
got winned last night. I still feel like he's Dak's
security blanket and when he's not right, Dack's not right. Yeah.
I mean Amari Cooper is fantastic, right. I mean he's
a another guy. As I mentioned about Odell Beckham. He's
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a guy that can run every route on the route
tree consistently. Also can run double moves um. He's a
deep threat guy. He has run after the catch, good
in the red zone. Talented, talented player. But they also
have Michael Gallup too, and and and the other kids
ceedee lamb that they that they drafted. You saw the
catch by Michael Gallup last night. I mean that was ballerina.
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I mean he was like a ballerina. But he has
that kind of ability. I remember talking to Michael Gallup's coach,
Alvis Widded, who coached him in college, and he said,
Tea said, Tory, this guy here has a chance to
be really, really special. And you saw some of that
last night with Michael Gallop. But back to Mary Cooper.
Marie Cooper is a dynamic wide receiver. He can beat
press coverage. Beat double coverage, beat zone when they're when
when he's in the lineup and he's healthy, and the
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all three of those guys, Lamb, him, Gallup and Amari Cooper.
To me, those are guys that can be thousand yard receivers.
They can have potentially have three thousand yard receivers when
they all are healthy, all going. So he feels like
a security blank a little Edelman to Brady, gronk Brady
what he's comfortable with him. So you and Kurt Warner
did you feel like sometimes and did he tell you
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you were a security blanket you could run multiple routes. No,
he never told me that I was a security blanket.
But the way that I played, my ability to get
open consistently gives a quarterback a lot of confidence. He
looks for that guy because he knows, for the most part,
every time he runs a plate, he has ability to
get open. So, yeah, you become a security blanket. And
maybe Amari Cooper is that That's what he feels like.
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That's the most I think Ceedee, Lamb's got more upside
as a game breaker. Yeah, But I and I said
a couple of weeks ago, I watched Brady with Gronk.
So for nets running, well, Tom's doing play action. Gronk
is still his security blank. Oh yeah, well again, it's
someone that he can trust, is one that's shown you
consistently that he can get it done week after week
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after week. I'll regardless of what teams are doing against him,
this guy Gronk, Mary Cooper, Cooper Cup, these guys continue,
DeVante Adams continue to be security, continue to be the
conference builder that quarterbacks need. So um, you know, it's
interesting when you look at Lamar Jackson. I've defended Lamar
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out of college. I didn't know. My takeaway out of
college was third down will be the key because in
high school and college, if he got pressured, he just ran. Yeah,
And I'm like, you ultimately have to throw on third down.
You can do some running. And I think he's gotten
a lot better at it. But but he has hit
a little bit of a month wall. Oh yeah, and
now when when he would struggle before, you didn't get
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a ton of turnovers. You're getting a lot of problem
And so what do you see. I see someone that's
just not reading it quickly and you know, and good
enough in terms of coverage. You know, you hear all
this on third downs, they're running these zero blitzes. Well,
find the hope and receive Lamar. That's not to me,
that's not a hard coverage or play to try to
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try to figure out zero coverage. Meaning they're bringing all
the pressure. You got one on one on the outside,
which you got Bateman, you got Hollywood, and you got
Sammy Walkers. Somebody out of those three can get open.
And I think Bateman is the guy who he needs
to look more too. He always look for the for
the tight end. Andrews, Yeah, which which we talk about
security blankets. That's Lamar's security blank I think I think
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all quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers may be an exception. I think
all quarterbacks need one. Every quarterback wants a guy for sure,
no doubt about it, no doubt. When it all fails,
I know why I can go to that guy. He'll
make the play, He'll get it done. I think Bateman, though,
for the Ravens, is a guy that Lamar can target more.
Kid can play, you can get open, He's smooth, you
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can run routes um he understands and recognizes coverage, has
run after the play, run after the catchability, big time playability.
So that will help Lamar, I think going forward. But
but these these last couple of weeks, he just looks
like a guy that's just not seeing it well enough
and reading it well enough, and he's just turning it over.
I got to ask you a question. We've had a
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lot of college coaches. Notre Dame's coach at LSU, Oklahoma
coach at USC. So this is just a fascinating to me.
I want you to take me inside the culture of
an athlete. So let's say I'm at Oklahoma, and I
mean nothing against his joy said yesterday, it's nothing against
the academics of Oklahoma. But I think of football school,
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Notre Dame. I think of a lot of stuff. Stanford,
I think of a lot of stuff Northwestern. I think
of academics and football. But Oklahoma is a football power. Yeah,
and so I think Lincoln Riley had more pull than
maybe if Brian Kelly did it Notre Dame, you would
go there for more than just football. At Notre Dame,
a lot of kids work, right, And so you go
to Oklahoma and you're a receiver, backs receivers that system.
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I mean, he's he's like to mcveah college. So then
he leaves, and it's really interesting. If I'm a defensive lineman,
I'm like, all right, well, maybe we'll bring a new
defensive coach to Oklahoma. I don't care, but I do
get a receiver back an offensive lineman going, well, I'm
gonna go because he gives me a better chance to flourish. Yeah.
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So that's my takeaway. So I don't blame kids when
the best offensive coach, I mean literally in the country
decides I'm gonna go and get another job. I don't
think it's disloyal for a kid to go. I want
to be not at all. So you tell me if
you had a great coach, and would you enter the
transfer portal even if you had committed to a school.
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Would it but it bother you if your son did
or you did. Yes, because I'm a I'm a guy,
that's I'm a loyal guy. I believe in it. Um.
So if I start there, I'm gonna finished that. My
my I say this to my my kids. My daughter
plays soccer Dncy State and and and I've had this
conversation with him even when they were young. When you
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start something, you finish it. But I totally get it.
Coaches get into this business to elevate and to move up. Yeah,
to take good positions, to get offered better positions. You
don't mind when they leave. I wouldn't say I don't mind.
I wouldn't say that because it does bother me to
an extent because I just mentioned the loyalty part where
the interrogaty too. It's got to be some interrogating in
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what you're and what you're doing. But I also get
that you're looking for a better, better position as a
coach and to leave Oklahoma and to come out here
to to USC and that's a prime job. And you've
already seen that high school players, top high school players
are already committing to USC. Being that Lincoln Rallley is
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now HI because of what you just said. They know
they have an opportunity to express their skill set as
a quarterback, as a receiver or any skilled player and
have the opportunity to play at the next level. He
is producing players to go to the next level. So
that's my account, that's my take on it. I'm a loyal, loyal,
loyal guy, and I think you should think coaches should
still consider the integrity of the sport. But now with
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this new Nil. I mean, I mean every every everybody's
playing every every players. It is what coaches alike. So
that in itself is going to continue to make things
challenge challenging in college sports. And I also think I've
heard this from college basketball coaches. There is so much
movement with players, like if they don't play as freshmen,
they're out. That now coaches feel less guilty about leaving,
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Like the sport has become so transactional and so transient.
The coaches are like, we all get the game better.
And that's the thing is because it's it's become so transactional.
It's too when years ten, fifteen, twenty years earlier, I mean,
before you know you went to a school. I think
about Coach Cutcliffe from Duke Coach Cutcliff, Yeah, it's a again,
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it's a loyal guy. He went there to coach to
build a program and he stayed around. That was what
he believed in. I don't have a problem with that,
but I don't have a problem them. Also with Lincoln Riley,
I don't have a problem with either. No, I'll give
you it's part of it's part of it's part of
the business. Tory. I said this the other day and
Joy was watching, I said, take Luke Fickle so that
the Cincinnati is moving into the Big twelve here, I
don't know next year, next year, but he's built Cincinnati. Yeah, okay,
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in Oklahoma, Texas are leaving the Big twelve. It's gonna
be a very average conference. Cincinnati. Luke Fickle's going to
have that team win in ten eleven games every year
at this time, no doubt. So if you're in a
weak conference and win eleven games, you are always gonna
have to If you leave, you will be bailing on
a very good football team. So it's Luke Fickle trapped
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that he can never because like Brian Kelly's argument was,
I've been here twelve years. Yeah, we are stacked. This
is the time to leave. Yeah, now is the time
to leave. And and and Notre Dame ISA is a
good program. They'll continue, They'll continue to get players, they'll
continue to get good coach rolling Yeah, and and and
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coach is going to ls you great players in that
state alone. Oh yeah, and players across the country that
want to come to want to come to LSU and
play for coach Kelly. So he left a good situation,
you know, the dame to me for a great situation
in LSU SEC football. It's the best of the best,
so to in my opinion, he couldn't have gone wrong there. Yeah,
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so I guess Joy and I I'm for loyal guy
David Lloyds, and then for transaction. Yeah, I'm for both.
I think, I think and I do think college football.
I think sometimes the media gets too pious and too
precious folks. People are moving. It used to be, Joy
and I say this whole time. It used to be
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it was unheard of that Larry Bird would never go
play for them. Yeah, exactly. Now when Bradley Beale doesn't
leave Washington, we're like, are you out of your mom Yeah,
but the world's changed. Yeah, and I don't. I don't
think you're disloyal bouncing around to different networks. I think
the world's more mobile. Yeah, Well, it's it's it's the
business of sports now, and particularly is in college sports
and going to We're going to continue to see more
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of this. Yeah. You know, each year, there's going to
be better opportunities for coaches, there's going to be better
opportunities for players. Players can jump into portal, they can
take advantage of it. We're going to continue to see
more of this as we go. Good scene again, Tori,
seeing you man, Thanks for having me as always, you
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Jim Harba leads his second ranked Michigan Wolverines into their
first ever Big Ten Championship game, looking to punch their
ticket to the playoffs against number thirteen Iowa. Carriage begins
at seven pm Eastern only on Fox and the Fox
Sports App. Now, a lot of people think Iowa can
upset them. I think it will be close, off a
big rivalry win. But I don't love Iowa's offense, so
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I think it's going to be very close. I think
George Obama is going to be close. I think Cincinnati
Houston's going to be close. You know, these weekends unravel
very quickly. We all have our narratives and our belief
what's going to happen. What if Alabama it's only a
six points pread, six and a half. What if Alabama
beats Georgia, Oh, it's just cast Alabama kind of have
to be Georgia. Well, yeah, I mean so it's And
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by the way, the pressure is all on Georgia. This
is George's year, and Georgia doesn't know. I mean, I
don't think it is. I think it's on Aabama. If
Georgia loses, they're still in. Yeah, I guess they are.
Alabama loses, how are they They're done in the playoffs,
They're done. Georgia can lose and be in. Yeah, pressures
on Alabama, pressures on Alabama. I like Georgia to win. Yeah,
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I don't think. Uh, Bryce Young, the quarterback Forabama, I
think will be under duress. I think George's defense is
the best college football defense I have seen in I
don't even know what to compare it to. It's probably
as good as one of those Alabama one of the
Pete Carroll defenses are one of the Alabama defenses in
the last ten years. It is just all. You can
watch Georgia play and you're like, oh, that's NFL players.
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They're so fast and so physical that it's a joy.
I know defensive football is not as fun, but it
George is just going one hundred miles an hour and
knocking guys out joy the news, turn the this is
the herd line News. Well, we've talked a lot about
taunting this year. It's become a big point of emphasis
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in the NFL, and there's been a lot of controversial calls. Yeah,
and Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric B. Enemy gave some advice
to his team on how to avoid those. And the
thing that it that we've stressed to our guys this
is a point of emphasis. So regardless of what you
may think that is that you seem to think that
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it is harmless, that is not the case anymore. So
we need to go back to the days of just
handing the ball back to the getting the end zone,
celebrate what you guys, and then we go on from there.
That is a coach I can stand behind. So Mike
Tomlin and Eric B. Enemy are on my side. Feel
very strongly about that. I mean, it's it's regulating the
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fun out of the game. I hate, I absolutely hate.
I love that non direct, rigid approach. That is an
approach that is a response to the penalties and the
the punitive nature of the penalties, Like that was a
taunting call. What they're showing right now. I mean, let
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me see this. I don't like that pointing thing. I
could escalate late into what they wear helmets, very concerning.
There's nothing. Look, we are we already solved the hall
time this, this advice is past, so that they don't
have a taunting penalty in a big moment and lose
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the game because of it. Okay, So here's a prime example.
Speed traps on the freeway. Yeah, during the holiday you'll
see speed traps because people drink, and so it becomes
a point of emphasis for local authorities. So you tell
your kids, I know you're gonna go out and party
with your college friends, but it is a point of emphasis.
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It's ridiculous. But they're gonna pull you over for three
miles an hour over, not like eight. And so what
he's saying is regardless of what you think the league
has told us, we're gonna be ridiculous on this. Right,
But if people drive recklessly, people die. If someone points
other running as the end zone, some feelings are hurt. Well,
it could be very ugly skirmishes. Now, this rule is
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it's it's honestly gone to the point where if they
don't change it next year, there's there's like fans are
over it. Fans are over it like it's a it's
a consensus thing. It's it's caused, it's because it's hurt
the outcome of games, and nebulous, I don't know it
is it is. It is a subjective call based on
the mood of the referee. But and and and there's
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no reason that something about feelings and emotions and perspective
on what you think taunting is or is not should
affect the outcomes of games. I just want eric enemy
to know I if I was literally, if I was
a general manager, I beli it's a very very mature
way to look at it. I get to being a
grumpy old guy on one topic every year. This is true.
This is definitely grumpy old guy. I'm I'm protecting the
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America from all this taunting and radical behavior of the kids.
How will the kids learn how to read? If someone
points to someone while they're running a Clyde Edwards hilarica
pointing someone running in the end zone. Chiefs a favorite
by nine according to the Broncos. If you had to
bet that football game, no, I'm definitely taking the Broncos.
I think the Chiefs are gonna win the game. But
this is a demotional game. The Bronco's defense is good.
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Do you know, Teddy Bridgewater does not have a turnover
since Week seven. They're not gonna hand you this game
like Denver doesn't. Teddy Bridgewater may not win it for you,
he's not gonna lose it for you. We've had a
lot of really big lines this year, though, like uncharacteristically
huge lines. Remember at the beginning of the season, there
was like eighteen and a half. This is an NFL game,
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is crazy. So they've come down a lot. Yeah, but
it's still that still feels like a lot of points.
So Taysom hill struggle last night, Well he had an
injury a little bit, but he still was bad. He
threw four interceptions yea in the Saints twenty seven seventeen
loss to the Cowboys, and he acknowledged after the game
it's hard to be successful with so many turnovers. I
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feel like we did some things really well tonight, and
then we did some things really poorly. Obviously, it's tough
to win a game. We can turn the ball over
four times, and so as you look at the stats
and you look at what we did, that's that's obviously
the thing that jumps out to you. That's that's disappointing. Well,
he did hit his hand. According to your Rabbitport, he
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is feared to have us suffered a torn tendon in
his middle finger. He might need surgery at some point.
More tests are coming. It's called mallet fingers what Russell
Wilson dealt with earlier in the year. My question is
if you suffered that injury, and we clearly we all
saw it, Yeah, what happens. I think I believe it
was Mica that he ran into. Probably it would be
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my cage everywhere, right, Trevior's I mean, it's not hurt.
I mean, I understand that Tasom is out there because
Trevor Simmon is struggling. But if Taysom then becomes injured, yeah,
with something that's going to cause him to be this
massively inaccurate in a game that is kind of determining
the course of the rest of your season. Yeah, why
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do you not take him out? Well? Because yeah, it's
a legitimate question. I mean, listen, you can say the
reason he through four picks is the injury. And I
certainly there was two throws that wasn't one of them.
I mean that that's just done a good throw. One
of this throws I thought, looked like, oh, that's an
injury throw. Russell Wilson had two throws the other night
against Washington might have of football, and both of them
were like, Oh, he just couldn't grip the ball. But
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then Russell also missed twice DK metcalf wide open. It's like,
that's not a finger issue. I don't think Tastom Hill
sees the field that well. I don't. I think he's
an athletic kid. I'd love him my roster, but I'm
not paying him forty five million bucks. No. But also
the thing with these injuries, and similar to the conversation
about he should not be named to quarterback for the
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Cleveland Browns. If you're going to be on the fields,
I understand if you're dealing with some sort of injury,
you might have limitations, right, like say a guy's knee
is kind of tweaked, or ankle or something like, okay,
like he might not be as mobile in today's game
or something. But if you're so injured that it's causing
you to throw four interceptions, you're too injured to play
in the game. Yeah, especially if if you have an
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option of a backup quarterback who was the starter last week.
So that's the part that I don't understand. Like I understand,
things happen in the game. You might tweak something whatever,
so it limits your game. But either either you're that
inaccurate or you're too injured to play in the game.
It has to be one or the other to me,
because you can't blame it on injury. He was he
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was putting the ball in some places. There could have
been more interceptions than he had, which was four. Now,
he did end up rushing for my earrings falling off.
He did end up rushing for one hundred and one yards.
I don't understand why they didn't lean into that more
in the first time. You can argue he's a top
five athlete in the league. I mean, he's a really
special athlete. He is. That's why they like him. But
that doesn't necessarily make for a starting quarterback. So Lincoln
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Riley has slipped another recruits hearing this start, running back
Releak Brown, originally committed to Oklahoma, had decided to switch
to USC. Don't blame him. Maliki Nelson also made the
switch earlier in the week after Riley became the head coach.
We talked about this once the you know, announcement had
been made that there were about six guys that had, yeah,
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he committed, and then there were Malakai Nelson said he'd
he committed. H Relik had said they kind of hinted
that he was going to follow. Whoever Oklahoma hires. They're
not going to be as good offensively as Lincoln Riley.
They're not. So if you're a running back wide receive.
I would imagine there'll be about three kids that transfer
out of Oklahoma and there's gonna be four to five
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recruits that flip. I bet you it's almost all offensive players. Now,
if they hire Brent Venables from Clemson, they'll probably pick
those kids up. They'll probably get kids to flip from
other schools that signed with Oklahoma or somebody else but
wouldn't go to Oklahoma because Lincoln Roddie's more offense. So
if they hire Brent Venables, he will flip some kids
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into Oklahoma. Oklahoma can take a deep breath. They'll be fine,
but but don't blame a kid like I bet you
if they signed Brent Venables, they would get three or
four kids in the country that had them second, that
would flip to Oklahoma first because an edge rush er
a corner because Venable's a legendary defensive coach. Well, Brown's
goes to Modern Day High School in Santa Anna. So
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again it's like, Oh, these these kids are California kids.
It's not shocking that they're changing to go to to USC.
Six other four and five star recruits besides Nelson and
Brown's committed from Oklahoma when USC took the job or
when Riley took the job at USC. Look, here's the
thing about all this, In my opinion, the word loyalty
is is the incorrect word to use. You talked about
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hate being applied to Tom Brady earlier. The word is
not hate. You don't pay attention to things that you hate, right, Like,
that's not how humans behave. Right. You can be jealous,
you can be envious, you don't consume, you don't eat
things you hate things you hate. I hate hot dogs.
I do not eat them. I don't even like looking
at them. Yeah, so we're mislabeling the term here and loyalty.
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The word loyalty sparks a particular emotion in everyone because
nobody wants to be labeled disloyal there goes out as disloyal. Yes,
because it's a very aggressive thing to say, you're when
you call someone a disloyal person, like that's that's a
character assassination. Like I am, I am a loyal person, right,
what are you loyal too? You can be loyal to
yourself and that's okay. You can be loyal to your
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family and that's okay. You can be loyal to your
future and that's okay. So what are you loyal too?
So saying these kids are like not loyal or they're
like they're not finishing something they like, they're they're not
committing to something, Like it's their responsibility to do what's
best for them, not what's do what's best for Oklahoma boosters. Yes, Like,
I'm not going to judge a kid and for changing
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his mind when the circumstances have changed. Now, if he
commits somewhere nothing's changed and then he bails, that's maybe
a different conversation. You're going to need somebody here in
the next three days to be leaving and be disloyal
to the kids. They promise right within the next seventy
two hours, So get out of the loyalty thing. It
sounds not the right word to use. Yeah, it's like
people that have never been offered a job. It sounds
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like you're like naive, like this is the way the world.
It feels. It feels naive. Is the right word naive.
I don't want to go as far as childish, but
it's it's very naive to assume that people must be
loyal to you, or they have to fulfill some sort
of spoken commitment to you when the circumstances have changed
that may in fact harm their future. Yeah. Once Oklahoma
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lost to Oklahoma State, you're out of the national championship.
Harma decided to go to see the SEC. Maybe the
circumstances for Lincoln Riley changed joy with a news. Well
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so much fun. You know this this weekend of college football,
we all realize there's probably gonna be an upset. Like
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last week it was nothing but upsets, right Like it
was Michigan over Ohio State and Oklahoma State over Oklahoma
and it was all these big upsets. So this week,
everybody's like, that's all figured out. One of these favorites
is gonna lose. Now, I don't I do think Cincinnati Houston.
Keep your eye on that one. I think Michigan matches
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up well with Iowa Oklahoma State. That's a very legitimate.
Baylor's very well coached, very and I like Oklahoma State
a lot. So it's just funny. We're if I suggest
your favorite loses, I'm an idiot, right, But you do
get one of these favorites is gonna lose. Either George
is gonna lose, Oklahoma State it's gonna lose. Cincinnat's gonna lose,
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Michigan's gonna lose. A lot of people think Michigan's in
big trouble. I think the game's gonna be low scoring,
in ugly, but I just don't think Iowa has the firepower.
What's the line in the Houston Cincinnati game. I think
you you may be right. Baylor Oklahoma State could be
it Cincinnati ten and a half. I you know, I
think you're right. I think Baylor Baylor over Oklahoma State
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is probably makes the most sense because they have a
very competent staff. They can score points. I mean, Alabama
has to win that game. They have to win. I
don't know how they move the ball, you know, again,
what do I know? It's Alabama get into the College
Football Playoff if they lose. Y no, no, no obsolutely
not so they are they out of all these games,
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I just want to see the most aspect, but like
they have to, you know what I want to see.
I want to see. This is what I want to see.
I want to see Georgia in and Michigan in. I'd
like to see Ohio State, or excuse me, Oklahoma State
faced Georgia because they're weird and they've never faced a
team like them, and I think they'd give Georgia a
little bit of a headache for a while. Outside of that,
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I don't care. I don't have any I don't really care.
But I do want to see Georgia get in. They've
had a great program forever they deserve. It's not gonna
hurt my feelings of Alabama's not in. That's right same here.
And then I want to see Michigan and I like it.
I like the story of Michigan. After that, I don't care.
But there's part of me I know the state of
Oklahoma to be shocked by this, But Oklahoma State is
just good enough on both sides that I think Georgia
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players would be massively overconfident, and that Oklahoma State and
Gunde he's been there forever. Now they've got a system,
their defense, they play real defense by Big twelve standards,
and they can move the ball, pass runs. I like chaos, yeah,
of course, So I think I don't think Cincinnati's gonna
win a game in that playoff. Oklahoma State could beat Michigan,
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and I think can make it uncomfortable for Georgia's. So
Oklahoma State I want to see in there. So three
teams I kind of want to see after that. I
don't care. I just don't care. I'm not anti Alabama.
I just I like I like fresh stuff, and they'll
be back. It's not over. Yeah. By the way, if
you look at the NFC this morning after last night's game,
I think it's decided Dallas. I mean go look right
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now at the records. Arizona leads their division by two games,
and now they're getting their quarterback back and the Rams
field lost. Tampa's running away with their division, Green Bay's
now running away with their division, and Dallas is running
away with their division after last night. So, and what's
interesting is I always I always try to find the
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common thread. So what do those four teams, the Cardinals,
the Packers, the Bucks, and the Cowboys have in common?
Great quarterbacks. I don't think Dack's great. I think he's
very good, great, great head coach. Well, you don't like McCarthy,
great special teams, you trust Mason Crosby a great, great defense. Well,
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Cowboys are like middle of the pack. I think what
you have is really I think you have above average
quarterback play. But you know the other thing I think
you have here playmakers. And I think that's the one
thing about Dallas I'll give him credit for. Micah Parsons
is a playmaker. Treyvon Diggs is a playmaker. A Randy
Gregory win Health, he's a playmaker. Ceedee Lamb is a playmaker.
Dat can be a playmaker. A Tony Pollard now is
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a playmaker more than Zeke. And I do think Amari
Cooper not now, but in about two weeks he's got
the COVID thing you got. He was tired last night.
You could tell you just he didn't have his wind.
Dallas has all these teams that lead the NFC. They've
got playmakers, and I think that's the key. You don't
have to have a great coach, great special teams, great defense.
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But we are in twenty twenty one. What Lincoln Riley's
trying to do to USC is get playmakers. And it
was I was talking to an NFL GM about the
day either Thanksgiving of the day before, and we talked
about this and I said, you know, I think your
team needs blank and he goes, oh, I wouldn't draft
that position in the first round. And I was like,
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but you need that and he goes, that's not a
position I would draft in the first round. He goes,
I want somebody getting their hands on the ball, a quarterback,
running back, a wide receiver. Because I want my first
round pick. I want you a round the ball cornerback.
You can take the ball away. So it's interesting. Maybe
you don't have those conversations twenty years ago, but right now,
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what makes the Cowboys viable? Think about seven eight playmakers.
A lot on defense,
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We're live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you
may be, and however you may be listening iHeartRadio, Fox
Sports Radio and f S one. Everybody here's still joking
about Brian Kelly's speech down in the South. Just start
once you start recruiting. A Northern coach goes to the
South to recruit against SEC schools. All I'm saying is
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you walk into that house and those Northern coaches start saying,
y'all a lot, because I've talked to him. You're going
into if you're a Northern coach, enemy territory, and those
Southern families like, who's this Nordard coach? Then yeah, then
you start saying, ma'am, y'all. Well, it's easy applause guy,
He's he's in an arena talking to students. What's he
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supposed to talk about? We are going to early establish
a standard of education here, change the culture. Like No,
he's gonna go in there and say things that a
big group of people are all gonna respond to, which
is we're gonna win a bunch of games and he's
gonna put an extra draw when he says tigers. So
years ago, tigers, goods go Tigers. I love it. Also,
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he's not he doesn't care about what gets your jokes off.
He's got money up to his ears, he can't hear. Yeah,
he doesn't care, but it is funny years ago. Um,
I've done probably fifteen shows in my life on a
college campus. So whenever I would do a big ten school,
a lot of beer jokes, a lot of party jokes. Yeah,
that's what you joke about. When you go to West
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Point where I did a show, they're not allowed alcohol.
You talk about values and morals more serious. I'm more serious,
more adult, because there's restrictions on that campus or that
military academy. So you just you figure out very quickly
the room and what joke works and what doesn't, what's
appropriate and what's not reading the room is very important,
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especially when you're the woman with the microphone. I was
at a charity event once where a comedian did not
read the room. Oh it's bad. I mean you and
I don't do awkward well sweating. I'm not even I'm
in the back of the room and I'm sweating, like
this is not going well. Yeah, all right, all the
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odds provided by Fox bet Sports Book. Here we go
are blazing five. Let's blaze it up up. It's Collins
blazing fives at Bengal. I'm gonna take the Chargers and
the points. I made a lot of money betting against
the charge this year. But outside of Minnesota, the Chargers
play more close games than any team in the NFL,
and justin Herbert this year top five and virtually everything completions,
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first downs, passing, touchdowns. The Bengals are a really good team,
coming off their most dominating performance in twenty years over
the Steelers. Regression to the mean, they'll pull back. By
the way. The Bengals are four and oh this year
against the Steelers, the Jaguars, and the Lions. They're three
and four against everybody else. Burrow has been sacked twenty
or thirteen times over the last month, second most in
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the league, and the Chargers have a pass rush. I
think it's a fun, entertaining game. Chargers take the points,
win it outright upset twenty seven twenty six Eagles and Jets.
Favorite bet of the week. I love Philadelphia minus six
and a half to the best rushing team in the league,
which is remarkable. It's all about Jalen Hurts. They don't
have a single player with a hundred yard rushing game
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this year, and yet they lead the NFL and rushing,
and they lead it in rushing yards town rushing differential.
It's not even close. This is a Jalen hurt story.
If you haven't faced him, he's a handful. They've outrushed
their opponents by one hundred and thirty yards per game
over the last five games. Nobody in the NFL is
even in the hundreds, and the Jets defense is the
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worst scoring defense in the NFL, second worst yards per play.
Philadelphia is going to go in there, dominate the clock,
be a nightmare for the Jets defense. Take the Eagles
to win handily. Thirty three twenty three Ravens at Steelers, Folks,
these games are always close. What's my rule when good
organizations are humiliated. Take him the next week. Pittsburgh plus four.
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I'm going with him. Since John Harbaugh arrived in Baltimore,
the average Steeler raven different in the game is one point.
This is one of the best rivalries in football. Six
of the last Steer seven Steeler games decided by one possession.
The Ravens offense is struggling. It can be awful, held
under eighteen points in four of their last five games.
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Lamar Jackson four picks last week. His turnovers have gone
way up this year. He's in a rot. He's in
a slump. And the Steelers at Mike Tomlin are a
proud defense and a proud organization. The Ravens defense, by
the way, allows six yards to play nause Harris, He's
gonna have a little bit of himself an afternoon. If
you play fantasy football, I think he's gonna have a
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good afternoon. I'm gonna take an upset. Take the points.
Steelers over Baltimore twenty one Broncos in Chiefs. Everybody loves
Andy Reid abye doesn't mean he covers the spread. Kansas
City has become one of the worst against the spread
teams in the league, even off a bye, and the
Broncos defense this year, Vic fan Joe is outstanding. It's
a really good defense. Nine points is way too many
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for a rivalry game in division. Opposing quarterbacks passer ratings
this year against Denver's eighty two and Mahomes's passer rating
in four of his last five games is eighty or below.
I like Kansas City to win here, but this is
a rivalry game and excellent defensive staff, good personnel. I
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think it's choppy. I take the Chiefs to win twenty
six twenty three, but nine is way too many points here.
Patriots said, Bills depends on the line. But right now
it's Buffalo minus two and a half at home in
a snowstorm. I'm gonna take Buffalo in that instance now.
Earlier in the week it was a bigger number, but
at two and a half, I'll take Buffalo. Listen, their
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defense is great and it's going to be a snowstorm, Okay.
Their defense this year is first or second in yards, points,
opposing passer rating, and the weather's bad, so a defense
has the curtain of bad weather behind it. Josh Allen
seven games with one hundred plus passer rating by the
way last year against the Patriots two and oh five
(06:52):
tits one picks. Belichick has struggled in the last couple
of games against Josh Allen. I am taking this. Is
really feels like it was gonna be Buffalo's division, and
here comes the rookie quarterback, and I think the snow
and the Bills pushback. New England struggles to move the ball.
Twenty seven Buffalo twenty New England. You know, I'm not
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a huge fan of snow games unless it helps me
in betting. But I will say this weekend, I think
that's gonna be fun. I think that's gonna be the
game of the weekend. So I'm gonna take some underdogs,
the Chargers, the Steelers, the Broncos underdogs, and the favorite
Eagles my favorite pick of the week, and I'll take
the Bills minus two and a half. Fox Sports Bet.
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All right, let's bring on Tory Holt eleven years, seven
Pro Bowls, gonna get a lot of volts already in
the College Hall of Fame, Super Bowl champion, one of
the great receivers, making his seconds to appearance on the show.
How are you, Tory? Good to see you against a
couple of weekends ago or weeks ago, a couple of
Super Bowls. So we were talking about this. Some times,
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I think fans know there are slot receivers, yeah, and
then there's your perimeter receiver, and the perimeter receiver is
usually there's there's a catching radius. He's faster. The slot
guys are Cole Beasley, Edelman, they're quick. Um and so OBJ,
Robert Woods does not get a lot of love. Robert's
got a lot of hines Ward. He does the dirty stuff,
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he blocks, he's physical. Yeah, yeah, nobody ever understood how
good hines Ward was. But he does, you know exactly.
And Robert Woods and so Robert leaves and OBJ comes in,
and to a lot of fans it's like, well, Obj's
is a great player. I don't think it works. I
think this is going to be a struggle because Obj
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is not Robert Woods. And I watched last week and
I'm like, no, they're they're trying, They're forcing Obj. When
you look at OBJ ideally, what would he be in
what kind of offense? I think what you saw last
week against the Packers is what Odell Beckham is. You
saw he still has the ability to get open. Yeah,
(09:03):
against one on one coverage, he could also be double coverage.
As you saw in that game, the Packers were as
you see here the double move. Yeah that's a great route. Yeah,
great technique and then the ability to finish. And the
Packers were sitting on some of these rams routes and
then they came back with the double move. I think
they should do more of that with Odell Beckham because
he has the ability to win on every route in
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the route. Tree still runs incredibly and he can still run,
and he can run, which will set up double moves
for Odell Beckham. So I think more double moves for
him going forward. You'll see and yes he's not Robert Woods,
and Robert Woods is not him. Robert Woods added a
dimension to the run game, to the passing game as well,
and as well as blocking. Yeah, Odell Beckham to me
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can still do some of the jets. This is my opinion.
I think he can still do some of the jet sweeps,
the reverses. That's part of Sean mcvay's offense that will
allow them to somewhat stay on schedule. It's still gonna
take some getting used to. This is different. This is chemistry.
That him and Matthew Stafford is trying to build, and
you don't do that overnight. Though they're professionals. I think
the fans and even myself are expecting to do it
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a little quicker, but it's going to take time. That
requires chemistry, that requires practice, that requires conversation, and I
think as they go forward, you'll see he and Matthew
Stafford continue to get on the same page, which will
ultimately help this offense be a little bit more. So
they be a little bit more, but be more dimensional,
be more diverse than what you know, what we saw
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in the past when this ramps team. So I was
saying this yesterday. I like Amari Cooper a lot. If
he plays five or six more years, puts up these numbers,
he'll get some Hall of Fame votes. But I've always
felt a quarterback to be great to get the big bag,
the forty million, you have to elevate that. You can't
be elevated, right. I mean, we all know Calvin Johnson
helped Matt Stafford, but in the end, Calvin Johnson didn't
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have huge production in college because the quarterback wasn't an
NFL quarterback. So when I watch Amari Cooper with Dak
and he's still not there. Of the COVID stuff he
got winned last night. I still feel like he's Dak's
security blanket and when he's not right, Dack's not right. Yeah.
I mean Amari Cooper is fantastic, right. I mean he's
a another guy. As I mentioned about Odell Beckham. He's
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a guy that can run every route on the route
tree consistently. Also can run double moves um. He's a
deep threat guy. He has run after the catch, good
in the red zone. Talented, talented player. But they also
have Michael Gallup too, and and and the other kids
ceedee lamb that they that they drafted. You saw the
catch by Michael Gallup last night. I mean that was ballerina.
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I mean he was like a ballerina. But he has
that kind of ability. I remember talking to Michael Gallup's coach,
Alvis Widded, who coached him in college, and he said,
Tea said, Tory, this guy here has a chance to
be really, really special. And you saw some of that
last night with Michael Gallop. But back to Mary Cooper.
Marie Cooper is a dynamic wide receiver. He can beat
press coverage. Beat double coverage, beat zone when they're when
when he's in the lineup and he's healthy, and the
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all three of those guys, Lamb, him, Gallup and Amari Cooper.
To me, those are guys that can be thousand yard receivers.
They can have potentially have three thousand yard receivers when
they all are healthy, all going. So he feels like
a security blank a little Edelman to Brady, gronk Brady
what he's comfortable with him. So you and Kurt Warner
did you feel like sometimes and did he tell you
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you were a security blanket you could run multiple routes. No,
he never told me that I was a security blanket.
But the way that I played, my ability to get
open consistently gives a quarterback a lot of confidence. He
looks for that guy because he knows, for the most part,
every time he runs a plate, he has ability to
get open. So, yeah, you become a security blanket. And
maybe Amari Cooper is that That's what he feels like.
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That's the most I think Ceedee, Lamb's got more upside
as a game breaker. Yeah, But I and I said
a couple of weeks ago, I watched Brady with Gronk.
So for nets running, well, Tom's doing play action. Gronk
is still his security blank. Oh yeah, well again, it's
someone that he can trust, is one that's shown you
consistently that he can get it done week after week
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after week. I'll regardless of what teams are doing against him,
this guy Gronk, Mary Cooper, Cooper Cup, these guys continue,
DeVante Adams continue to be security, continue to be the
conference builder that quarterbacks need. So um, you know, it's
interesting when you look at Lamar Jackson. I've defended Lamar
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out of college. I didn't know. My takeaway out of
college was third down will be the key because in
high school and college, if he got pressured, he just ran. Yeah,
And I'm like, you ultimately have to throw on third down.
You can do some running. And I think he's gotten
a lot better at it. But but he has hit
a little bit of a month wall. Oh yeah, and
now when when he would struggle before, you didn't get
(13:43):
a ton of turnovers. You're getting a lot of problem
And so what do you see. I see someone that's
just not reading it quickly and you know, and good
enough in terms of coverage. You know, you hear all
this on third downs, they're running these zero blitzes. Well,
find the hope and receive Lamar. That's not to me,
that's not a hard coverage or play to try to
(14:06):
try to figure out zero coverage. Meaning they're bringing all
the pressure. You got one on one on the outside,
which you got Bateman, you got Hollywood, and you got
Sammy Walkers. Somebody out of those three can get open.
And I think Bateman is the guy who he needs
to look more too. He always look for the for
the tight end. Andrews, Yeah, which which we talk about
security blankets. That's Lamar's security blank I think I think
(14:28):
all quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers may be an exception. I think
all quarterbacks need one. Every quarterback wants a guy for sure,
no doubt about it, no doubt. When it all fails,
I know why I can go to that guy. He'll
make the play, He'll get it done. I think Bateman, though,
for the Ravens, is a guy that Lamar can target more.
Kid can play, you can get open, He's smooth, you
(14:49):
can run routes um he understands and recognizes coverage, has
run after the play, run after the catchability, big time playability.
So that will help Lamar, I think going forward. But
but these these last couple of weeks, he just looks
like a guy that's just not seeing it well enough
and reading it well enough, and he's just turning it over.
I got to ask you a question. We've had a
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lot of college coaches. Notre Dame's coach at LSU, Oklahoma
coach at USC. So this is just a fascinating to me.
I want you to take me inside the culture of
an athlete. So let's say I'm at Oklahoma, and I
mean nothing against his joy said yesterday, it's nothing against
the academics of Oklahoma. But I think of football school,
(15:31):
Notre Dame. I think of a lot of stuff. Stanford,
I think of a lot of stuff Northwestern. I think
of academics and football. But Oklahoma is a football power. Yeah,
and so I think Lincoln Riley had more pull than
maybe if Brian Kelly did it Notre Dame, you would
go there for more than just football. At Notre Dame,
a lot of kids work, right, And so you go
to Oklahoma and you're a receiver, backs receivers that system.
(15:55):
I mean, he's he's like to mcveah college. So then
he leaves, and it's really interesting. If I'm a defensive lineman,
I'm like, all right, well, maybe we'll bring a new
defensive coach to Oklahoma. I don't care, but I do
get a receiver back an offensive lineman going, well, I'm
gonna go because he gives me a better chance to flourish. Yeah.
(16:18):
So that's my takeaway. So I don't blame kids when
the best offensive coach, I mean literally in the country
decides I'm gonna go and get another job. I don't
think it's disloyal for a kid to go. I want
to be not at all. So you tell me if
you had a great coach, and would you enter the
transfer portal even if you had committed to a school.
(16:40):
Would it but it bother you if your son did
or you did. Yes, because I'm a I'm a guy,
that's I'm a loyal guy. I believe in it. Um.
So if I start there, I'm gonna finished that. My
my I say this to my my kids. My daughter
plays soccer Dncy State and and and I've had this
conversation with him even when they were young. When you
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start something, you finish it. But I totally get it.
Coaches get into this business to elevate and to move up. Yeah,
to take good positions, to get offered better positions. You
don't mind when they leave. I wouldn't say I don't mind.
I wouldn't say that because it does bother me to
an extent because I just mentioned the loyalty part where
the interrogaty too. It's got to be some interrogating in
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what you're and what you're doing. But I also get
that you're looking for a better, better position as a
coach and to leave Oklahoma and to come out here
to to USC and that's a prime job. And you've
already seen that high school players, top high school players
are already committing to USC. Being that Lincoln Rallley is
(17:44):
now HI because of what you just said. They know
they have an opportunity to express their skill set as
a quarterback, as a receiver or any skilled player and
have the opportunity to play at the next level. He
is producing players to go to the next level. So
that's my account, that's my take on it. I'm a loyal, loyal,
loyal guy, and I think you should think coaches should
still consider the integrity of the sport. But now with
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this new Nil. I mean, I mean every every everybody's
playing every every players. It is what coaches alike. So
that in itself is going to continue to make things
challenge challenging in college sports. And I also think I've
heard this from college basketball coaches. There is so much
movement with players, like if they don't play as freshmen,
they're out. That now coaches feel less guilty about leaving,
(18:30):
Like the sport has become so transactional and so transient.
The coaches are like, we all get the game better.
And that's the thing is because it's it's become so transactional.
It's too when years ten, fifteen, twenty years earlier, I mean,
before you know you went to a school. I think
about Coach Cutcliffe from Duke Coach Cutcliff, Yeah, it's a again,
(18:52):
it's a loyal guy. He went there to coach to
build a program and he stayed around. That was what
he believed in. I don't have a problem with that,
but I don't have a problem them. Also with Lincoln Riley,
I don't have a problem with either. No, I'll give
you it's part of it's part of it's part of
the business. Tory. I said this the other day and
Joy was watching, I said, take Luke Fickle so that
the Cincinnati is moving into the Big twelve here, I
don't know next year, next year, but he's built Cincinnati. Yeah, okay,
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in Oklahoma, Texas are leaving the Big twelve. It's gonna
be a very average conference. Cincinnati. Luke Fickle's going to
have that team win in ten eleven games every year
at this time, no doubt. So if you're in a
weak conference and win eleven games, you are always gonna
have to If you leave, you will be bailing on
a very good football team. So it's Luke Fickle trapped
(19:37):
that he can never because like Brian Kelly's argument was,
I've been here twelve years. Yeah, we are stacked. This
is the time to leave. Yeah, now is the time
to leave. And and and Notre Dame ISA is a
good program. They'll continue, They'll continue to get players, they'll
continue to get good coach rolling Yeah, and and and
(19:57):
coach is going to ls you great players in that
state alone. Oh yeah, and players across the country that
want to come to want to come to LSU and
play for coach Kelly. So he left a good situation,
you know, the dame to me for a great situation
in LSU SEC football. It's the best of the best,
so to in my opinion, he couldn't have gone wrong there. Yeah,
(20:19):
so I guess Joy and I I'm for loyal guy
David Lloyds, and then for transaction. Yeah, I'm for both.
I think, I think and I do think college football.
I think sometimes the media gets too pious and too
precious folks. People are moving. It used to be, Joy
and I say this whole time. It used to be
(20:40):
it was unheard of that Larry Bird would never go
play for them. Yeah, exactly. Now when Bradley Beale doesn't
leave Washington, we're like, are you out of your mom Yeah,
but the world's changed. Yeah, and I don't. I don't
think you're disloyal bouncing around to different networks. I think
the world's more mobile. Yeah, Well, it's it's it's the
business of sports now, and particularly is in college sports
and going to We're going to continue to see more
(21:01):
of this. Yeah. You know, each year, there's going to
be better opportunities for coaches, there's going to be better
opportunities for players. Players can jump into portal, they can
take advantage of it. We're going to continue to see
more of this as we go. Good scene again, Tori,
seeing you man, Thanks for having me as always, you
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Jim Harba leads his second ranked Michigan Wolverines into their
first ever Big Ten Championship game, looking to punch their
ticket to the playoffs against number thirteen Iowa. Carriage begins
at seven pm Eastern only on Fox and the Fox
Sports App. Now, a lot of people think Iowa can
upset them. I think it will be close, off a
big rivalry win. But I don't love Iowa's offense, so
(21:48):
I think it's going to be very close. I think
George Obama is going to be close. I think Cincinnati
Houston's going to be close. You know, these weekends unravel
very quickly. We all have our narratives and our belief
what's going to happen. What if Alabama it's only a
six points pread, six and a half. What if Alabama
beats Georgia, Oh, it's just cast Alabama kind of have
to be Georgia. Well, yeah, I mean so it's And
(22:09):
by the way, the pressure is all on Georgia. This
is George's year, and Georgia doesn't know. I mean, I
don't think it is. I think it's on Aabama. If
Georgia loses, they're still in. Yeah, I guess they are.
Alabama loses, how are they They're done in the playoffs,
They're done. Georgia can lose and be in. Yeah, pressures
on Alabama, pressures on Alabama. I like Georgia to win. Yeah,
(22:32):
I don't think. Uh, Bryce Young, the quarterback Forabama, I
think will be under duress. I think George's defense is
the best college football defense I have seen in I
don't even know what to compare it to. It's probably
as good as one of those Alabama one of the
Pete Carroll defenses are one of the Alabama defenses in
the last ten years. It is just all. You can
watch Georgia play and you're like, oh, that's NFL players.
(22:53):
They're so fast and so physical that it's a joy.
I know defensive football is not as fun, but it
George is just going one hundred miles an hour and
knocking guys out joy the news, turn the this is
the herd line News. Well, we've talked a lot about
taunting this year. It's become a big point of emphasis
(23:15):
in the NFL, and there's been a lot of controversial calls. Yeah,
and Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric B. Enemy gave some advice
to his team on how to avoid those. And the
thing that it that we've stressed to our guys this
is a point of emphasis. So regardless of what you
may think that is that you seem to think that
(23:37):
it is harmless, that is not the case anymore. So
we need to go back to the days of just
handing the ball back to the getting the end zone,
celebrate what you guys, and then we go on from there.
That is a coach I can stand behind. So Mike
Tomlin and Eric B. Enemy are on my side. Feel
very strongly about that. I mean, it's it's regulating the
(23:59):
fun out of the game. I hate, I absolutely hate.
I love that non direct, rigid approach. That is an
approach that is a response to the penalties and the
the punitive nature of the penalties, Like that was a
taunting call. What they're showing right now. I mean, let
(24:20):
me see this. I don't like that pointing thing. I
could escalate late into what they wear helmets, very concerning.
There's nothing. Look, we are we already solved the hall
time this, this advice is past, so that they don't
have a taunting penalty in a big moment and lose
(24:42):
the game because of it. Okay, So here's a prime example.
Speed traps on the freeway. Yeah, during the holiday you'll
see speed traps because people drink, and so it becomes
a point of emphasis for local authorities. So you tell
your kids, I know you're gonna go out and party
with your college friends, but it is a point of emphasis.
(25:02):
It's ridiculous. But they're gonna pull you over for three
miles an hour over, not like eight. And so what
he's saying is regardless of what you think the league
has told us, we're gonna be ridiculous on this. Right,
But if people drive recklessly, people die. If someone points
other running as the end zone, some feelings are hurt. Well,
it could be very ugly skirmishes. Now, this rule is
(25:25):
it's it's honestly gone to the point where if they
don't change it next year, there's there's like fans are
over it. Fans are over it like it's a it's
a consensus thing. It's it's caused, it's because it's hurt
the outcome of games, and nebulous, I don't know it
is it is. It is a subjective call based on
the mood of the referee. But and and and there's
(25:46):
no reason that something about feelings and emotions and perspective
on what you think taunting is or is not should
affect the outcomes of games. I just want eric enemy
to know I if I was literally, if I was
a general manager, I beli it's a very very mature
way to look at it. I get to being a
grumpy old guy on one topic every year. This is true.
This is definitely grumpy old guy. I'm I'm protecting the
(26:09):
America from all this taunting and radical behavior of the kids.
How will the kids learn how to read? If someone
points to someone while they're running a Clyde Edwards hilarica
pointing someone running in the end zone. Chiefs a favorite
by nine according to the Broncos. If you had to
bet that football game, no, I'm definitely taking the Broncos.
I think the Chiefs are gonna win the game. But
this is a demotional game. The Bronco's defense is good.
(26:31):
Do you know, Teddy Bridgewater does not have a turnover
since Week seven. They're not gonna hand you this game
like Denver doesn't. Teddy Bridgewater may not win it for you,
he's not gonna lose it for you. We've had a
lot of really big lines this year, though, like uncharacteristically
huge lines. Remember at the beginning of the season, there
was like eighteen and a half. This is an NFL game,
(26:53):
is crazy. So they've come down a lot. Yeah, but
it's still that still feels like a lot of points.
So Taysom hill struggle last night, Well he had an
injury a little bit, but he still was bad. He
threw four interceptions yea in the Saints twenty seven seventeen
loss to the Cowboys, and he acknowledged after the game
it's hard to be successful with so many turnovers. I
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feel like we did some things really well tonight, and
then we did some things really poorly. Obviously, it's tough
to win a game. We can turn the ball over
four times, and so as you look at the stats
and you look at what we did, that's that's obviously
the thing that jumps out to you. That's that's disappointing. Well,
he did hit his hand. According to your Rabbitport, he
(27:34):
is feared to have us suffered a torn tendon in
his middle finger. He might need surgery at some point.
More tests are coming. It's called mallet fingers what Russell
Wilson dealt with earlier in the year. My question is
if you suffered that injury, and we clearly we all
saw it, Yeah, what happens. I think I believe it
was Mica that he ran into. Probably it would be
(27:55):
my cage everywhere, right, Trevior's I mean, it's not hurt.
I mean, I understand that Tasom is out there because
Trevor Simmon is struggling. But if Taysom then becomes injured, yeah,
with something that's going to cause him to be this
massively inaccurate in a game that is kind of determining
the course of the rest of your season. Yeah, why
(28:17):
do you not take him out? Well? Because yeah, it's
a legitimate question. I mean, listen, you can say the
reason he through four picks is the injury. And I
certainly there was two throws that wasn't one of them.
I mean that that's just done a good throw. One
of this throws I thought, looked like, oh, that's an
injury throw. Russell Wilson had two throws the other night
against Washington might have of football, and both of them
were like, Oh, he just couldn't grip the ball. But
(28:39):
then Russell also missed twice DK metcalf wide open. It's like,
that's not a finger issue. I don't think Tastom Hill
sees the field that well. I don't. I think he's
an athletic kid. I'd love him my roster, but I'm
not paying him forty five million bucks. No. But also
the thing with these injuries, and similar to the conversation
about he should not be named to quarterback for the
(29:00):
Cleveland Browns. If you're going to be on the fields,
I understand if you're dealing with some sort of injury,
you might have limitations, right, like say a guy's knee
is kind of tweaked, or ankle or something like, okay,
like he might not be as mobile in today's game
or something. But if you're so injured that it's causing
you to throw four interceptions, you're too injured to play
in the game. Yeah, especially if if you have an
(29:23):
option of a backup quarterback who was the starter last week.
So that's the part that I don't understand. Like I understand,
things happen in the game. You might tweak something whatever,
so it limits your game. But either either you're that
inaccurate or you're too injured to play in the game.
It has to be one or the other to me,
because you can't blame it on injury. He was he
(29:43):
was putting the ball in some places. There could have
been more interceptions than he had, which was four. Now,
he did end up rushing for my earrings falling off.
He did end up rushing for one hundred and one yards.
I don't understand why they didn't lean into that more
in the first time. You can argue he's a top
five athlete in the league. I mean, he's a really
special athlete. He is. That's why they like him. But
that doesn't necessarily make for a starting quarterback. So Lincoln
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Riley has slipped another recruits hearing this start, running back
Releak Brown, originally committed to Oklahoma, had decided to switch
to USC. Don't blame him. Maliki Nelson also made the
switch earlier in the week after Riley became the head coach.
We talked about this once the you know, announcement had
been made that there were about six guys that had, yeah,
(30:28):
he committed, and then there were Malakai Nelson said he'd
he committed. H Relik had said they kind of hinted
that he was going to follow. Whoever Oklahoma hires. They're
not going to be as good offensively as Lincoln Riley.
They're not. So if you're a running back wide receive.
I would imagine there'll be about three kids that transfer
out of Oklahoma and there's gonna be four to five
(30:50):
recruits that flip. I bet you it's almost all offensive players. Now,
if they hire Brent Venables from Clemson, they'll probably pick
those kids up. They'll probably get kids to flip from
other schools that signed with Oklahoma or somebody else but
wouldn't go to Oklahoma because Lincoln Roddie's more offense. So
if they hire Brent Venables, he will flip some kids
(31:12):
into Oklahoma. Oklahoma can take a deep breath. They'll be fine,
but but don't blame a kid like I bet you
if they signed Brent Venables, they would get three or
four kids in the country that had them second, that
would flip to Oklahoma first because an edge rush er
a corner because Venable's a legendary defensive coach. Well, Brown's
goes to Modern Day High School in Santa Anna. So
(31:34):
again it's like, Oh, these these kids are California kids.
It's not shocking that they're changing to go to to USC.
Six other four and five star recruits besides Nelson and
Brown's committed from Oklahoma when USC took the job or
when Riley took the job at USC. Look, here's the
thing about all this, In my opinion, the word loyalty
is is the incorrect word to use. You talked about
(31:56):
hate being applied to Tom Brady earlier. The word is
not hate. You don't pay attention to things that you hate, right, Like,
that's not how humans behave. Right. You can be jealous,
you can be envious, you don't consume, you don't eat
things you hate things you hate. I hate hot dogs.
I do not eat them. I don't even like looking
at them. Yeah, so we're mislabeling the term here and loyalty.
(32:19):
The word loyalty sparks a particular emotion in everyone because
nobody wants to be labeled disloyal there goes out as disloyal. Yes,
because it's a very aggressive thing to say, you're when
you call someone a disloyal person, like that's that's a
character assassination. Like I am, I am a loyal person, right,
what are you loyal too? You can be loyal to
yourself and that's okay. You can be loyal to your
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family and that's okay. You can be loyal to your
future and that's okay. So what are you loyal too?
So saying these kids are like not loyal or they're
like they're not finishing something they like, they're they're not
committing to something, Like it's their responsibility to do what's
best for them, not what's do what's best for Oklahoma boosters. Yes, Like,
I'm not going to judge a kid and for changing
(33:03):
his mind when the circumstances have changed. Now, if he
commits somewhere nothing's changed and then he bails, that's maybe
a different conversation. You're going to need somebody here in
the next three days to be leaving and be disloyal
to the kids. They promise right within the next seventy
two hours, So get out of the loyalty thing. It
sounds not the right word to use. Yeah, it's like
people that have never been offered a job. It sounds
(33:25):
like you're like naive, like this is the way the world.
It feels. It feels naive. Is the right word naive.
I don't want to go as far as childish, but
it's it's very naive to assume that people must be
loyal to you, or they have to fulfill some sort
of spoken commitment to you when the circumstances have changed
that may in fact harm their future. Yeah. Once Oklahoma
(33:45):
lost to Oklahoma State, you're out of the national championship.
Harma decided to go to see the SEC. Maybe the
circumstances for Lincoln Riley changed joy with a news. Well
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so much fun. You know this this weekend of college football,
we all realize there's probably gonna be an upset. Like
(35:12):
last week it was nothing but upsets, right Like it
was Michigan over Ohio State and Oklahoma State over Oklahoma
and it was all these big upsets. So this week,
everybody's like, that's all figured out. One of these favorites
is gonna lose. Now, I don't I do think Cincinnati Houston.
Keep your eye on that one. I think Michigan matches
(35:32):
up well with Iowa Oklahoma State. That's a very legitimate.
Baylor's very well coached, very and I like Oklahoma State
a lot. So it's just funny. We're if I suggest
your favorite loses, I'm an idiot, right, But you do
get one of these favorites is gonna lose. Either George
is gonna lose, Oklahoma State it's gonna lose. Cincinnat's gonna lose,
(35:55):
Michigan's gonna lose. A lot of people think Michigan's in
big trouble. I think the game's gonna be low scoring,
in ugly, but I just don't think Iowa has the firepower.
What's the line in the Houston Cincinnati game. I think
you you may be right. Baylor Oklahoma State could be
it Cincinnati ten and a half. I you know, I
think you're right. I think Baylor Baylor over Oklahoma State
(36:17):
is probably makes the most sense because they have a
very competent staff. They can score points. I mean, Alabama
has to win that game. They have to win. I
don't know how they move the ball, you know, again,
what do I know? It's Alabama get into the College
Football Playoff if they lose. Y no, no, no obsolutely
not so they are they out of all these games,
(36:38):
I just want to see the most aspect, but like
they have to, you know what I want to see.
I want to see. This is what I want to see.
I want to see Georgia in and Michigan in. I'd
like to see Ohio State, or excuse me, Oklahoma State
faced Georgia because they're weird and they've never faced a
team like them, and I think they'd give Georgia a
little bit of a headache for a while. Outside of that,
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I don't care. I don't have any I don't really care.
But I do want to see Georgia get in. They've
had a great program forever they deserve. It's not gonna
hurt my feelings of Alabama's not in. That's right same here.
And then I want to see Michigan and I like it.
I like the story of Michigan. After that, I don't care.
But there's part of me I know the state of
Oklahoma to be shocked by this, But Oklahoma State is
just good enough on both sides that I think Georgia
(37:23):
players would be massively overconfident, and that Oklahoma State and
Gunde he's been there forever. Now they've got a system,
their defense, they play real defense by Big twelve standards,
and they can move the ball, pass runs. I like chaos, yeah,
of course, So I think I don't think Cincinnati's gonna
win a game in that playoff. Oklahoma State could beat Michigan,
(37:44):
and I think can make it uncomfortable for Georgia's. So
Oklahoma State I want to see in there. So three
teams I kind of want to see after that. I
don't care. I just don't care. I'm not anti Alabama.
I just I like I like fresh stuff, and they'll
be back. It's not over. Yeah. By the way, if
you look at the NFC this morning after last night's game,
I think it's decided Dallas. I mean go look right
(38:09):
now at the records. Arizona leads their division by two games,
and now they're getting their quarterback back and the Rams
field lost. Tampa's running away with their division, Green Bay's
now running away with their division, and Dallas is running
away with their division after last night. So, and what's
interesting is I always I always try to find the
(38:29):
common thread. So what do those four teams, the Cardinals,
the Packers, the Bucks, and the Cowboys have in common?
Great quarterbacks. I don't think Dack's great. I think he's
very good, great, great head coach. Well, you don't like McCarthy,
great special teams, you trust Mason Crosby a great, great defense. Well,
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Cowboys are like middle of the pack. I think what
you have is really I think you have above average
quarterback play. But you know the other thing I think
you have here playmakers. And I think that's the one
thing about Dallas I'll give him credit for. Micah Parsons
is a playmaker. Treyvon Diggs is a playmaker. A Randy
Gregory win Health, he's a playmaker. Ceedee Lamb is a playmaker.
Dat can be a playmaker. A Tony Pollard now is
(39:12):
a playmaker more than Zeke. And I do think Amari
Cooper not now, but in about two weeks he's got
the COVID thing you got. He was tired last night.
You could tell you just he didn't have his wind.
Dallas has all these teams that lead the NFC. They've
got playmakers, and I think that's the key. You don't
have to have a great coach, great special teams, great defense.
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But we are in twenty twenty one. What Lincoln Riley's
trying to do to USC is get playmakers. And it
was I was talking to an NFL GM about the
day either Thanksgiving of the day before, and we talked
about this and I said, you know, I think your
team needs blank and he goes, oh, I wouldn't draft
that position in the first round. And I was like,
(39:52):
but you need that and he goes, that's not a
position I would draft in the first round. He goes,
I want somebody getting their hands on the ball, a quarterback,
running back, a wide receiver. Because I want my first
round pick. I want you a round the ball cornerback.
You can take the ball away. So it's interesting. Maybe
you don't have those conversations twenty years ago, but right now,
(40:13):
what makes the Cowboys viable? Think about seven eight playmakers.
A lot on defense,
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