April 16, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin shares 4 bold predictions for the upcoming NBA playoffs
Thoughts on the NFL offseason and the upcoming Draft
Guest: Dianna Russini
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Here we go. It is Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Play in games started last night, fun stuff live in
Los Angeles. It's the Hurd wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Diana Russini in five minutes. You know
it's really it's I love this time of the year.
I mean, we just had March. Maddins was amazing. The
Masters was my favorite Masters in forever. Masters has delivered
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so many times. There's just some things in my life
that have always been there on Sunday NFL Sopranos for
about a decad and the Masters is very infrequently not delivered.
And I thought CBS did a great job with it.
And this time we got all this NFL draft stuff.
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I do not remember a draft where I had stronger
disagreements with friends and people I know, I like Sador
Sanders much more than people that I know in the league.
You know, I don't think he's an A prospect. I
think he's a B plus prospect. But I think he's
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a really good kid, a really good player, better armed
than he gets credit for it. This idea that he's
a pocket quarterback. He's not immobile. He moves, he had
to move. He had a terrible offensive line. He's fine,
So I like him much more.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I don't. I'm not into the.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Louisville quarterback who's like twenty seven. I'm not into Jackson Dart.
I like Kyle McCord.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
A lot of.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
People don't because you know, he's a little Philip River.
Kyle McCord pocket guy. Can make some risky throws, but
he's competitor. He'll throw it into traffic, he'll take risks,
he'll throw it downfield.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
He's not a DNC and dunk guy.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So I think Kyle McCord with the right hands, he
is really aggressive pocket passer, not a great athlete. But
I like the fact that there's wide variations of opinions.
That's what makes this job fun. So before I get
to Diana Russini, she's got great stuff on the draft
and other things. I'm gonna give you five four bold
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predictions to the playoffs, kind of bold. One of them's
bold Number one is I think the Joker. I think
Denver's gonna lose to the Clippers, although I think it's
a very good series. He's going to average a thirty
point triple double. First of all, if he's not on
the floor, Denver's bad. He has to play, and after Zubots,
the Clippers have no center depth. Ben Simmons is their
backup center, so he's going to have to log forty
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minutes and he's gonna put up massive numbers, so he's
going to have an all time playoff series. I think
the Clippers win. I think the Rockets upset the Warriors.
Amon Thompson is their best athlete Houston, and he guarded
Steph the last time they played. He's a terrific player,
terrific athlete. The Rosters young athletic. They defend the three
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great rebounding team young. They will not lose energy over
the course of the series. And I think the Warriors
are unbelievably Steph and Jimmy Butler reliant, and the kaminga issue.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Hurts.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
They need Kaminga to play real minutes with his length
against the Warriors, and now he's a DNP coaches decision.
Rockets upset the Warriors. Number three, the Detroit Pistons will
have more ejections than wins against the Knicks. First of all,
they're going to struggle to stop Jalen Brunson they have
this year. Secondly, they're a very young emotional team is Detroit.
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They led the Eastern Conference with ten player ejections and
they got a chip on their shoulder. And New York
is a physical team and a chatting team at times,
and they're gonna frustrate that, you know what, out of
the Piston. So I think I think New York flies
through them. Pistons players have multiple ejections. And for the record,
the Knicks do not play the caves of the Celtics. Well,
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they're thirty four to ten against the rest of the East,
so they're gonna hammer the Pistons. And number four Ant
Edwards will have multiple forty point games against the Lakers.
They're not a team that gets easy buckets. Go Bear
and Julius Randall don't have a history of scoring consistently
in the playoffs. Ant played great down the stretch. He's
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actually the last two playoffs been a very efficient player.
He shoots better. So Ant's playing the best basketball of
his career. And I think the Lakers defense maybe let
Ant have his We're not gonna lose because Julius Randall
goes off, So I think Ant is going to be
highly productive. I think it'll be a wildly entertaining series.
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But I just don't think the Tea Wolves can consistently
initiate enough offense. They'll they'll have too many, if not
wasted possessions, too many difficult, clunky possessions. The Lakers between
Austin Reeves playing the best basketball of his career, Lucas
in better shape, Lebron's rested, ready to go, They're going
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to get more easy looks, easier transition to offense, and
I think the Lakers are going to win that series
in six. Diana Russini, the athletic senior NFL Insider, Plus,
you got a great podcast with Chase Channels. So there's
a weird story out there, and I don't know what
to make of it. You talked about it with Chase
that I said this. I think I said it Monday
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on the air. I didn't know derffck Carr was injured
and all of a sudden, He's gonna miss the season.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I'm on vacation. I'm like, what where did that come from?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Give me the my take it are they sending a
message that, hey, we're going to draft youdor Sanders pal?
So you know what is the story? Is that gamesmanship?
What's happening with Derek carrs?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It's so funny.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
My former colleague and very good friend, Jeff Darlington was
covering the Masters and when he got back on Monday,
he called me. He said, Derek Carr's hurt. What's happening?
So he felt the same way you did. Where did
this come from? Well, it was a late Friday afternoon
news drop. That's probably why you missed it. And look,
Derek carrs had shoulder situations and issues the rotator cuff
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for a while. This has been going on't he has
a history of it, right, But they restructured his deal.
So if you restructure your quarterbacks deal that is very
Derek Carr friendly, then you have to believe that this
organization didn't have any concerns that this would be an
issue in this upcoming season. So Friday in the news
comes out that Derek Carr may miss this season, and
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I have to tell you, I immediately started getting text
messages from people around the league with hey, this is
fishy or I had one head coach say trade bait,
right of this is what's this is?
Speaker 5 (07:00):
There's more to this story.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
So I did some digging on it, and I do
think Derek Carr has a shoulder situation going on. I
don't think he's lying about it. I don't think he's
putting this out there. This is not who Derek Carr
is as a human being. He's got high character. But
I just think it's peculiar, and I think the team
thinks it's peculiar. I reached out to some people with
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the Saints when this all was happening, and they knew
of it, meaning they knew something.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Strange was boiling.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Derek Carr was looking to possibly get out of New
Orleans after Dennis Allen was fired, and I don't think
he wants to be there anymore. And I think the
Saints are committed to getting a quarterback in this track
that I don't think they're going nine with it right now.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
I think they're going best player available here. I think
they're going pass rush. I think they're going to redo
their front. That would make sense to me.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
But I think the New Orleans Saints, going back to
the end of the season, did so much work on
this quarterback lass that I see them getting involved in
some way in some round here at quarterback. So what
does that mean for Derek Carr. I don't know how
this gets solved, because to me, this tells me he does.
Derek car doesn't want to be there, And how are
the Saints going to sell that right? How are they
to sell it to their fans that this is our guy. Oh,
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he doesn't want to be here, but we pat him
a botload of money. So either got to get some
marriage counseling or just part ways.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Okay, So I saw a story this week, and my
projection on this I was playing part sociologist or something.
I said, the Giants don't really care about Shador Sanders.
They're going to see him again because they want to
send a message to the Saints and the Steelers. Oh no, no,
we're gonna take forget Russell Wilson and Jamis, We're going
to take Shador, So they go to Boulder. I mean,
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they've already got fifty games on tape, they've got the
the pro day, They've interviewed him. There's no secrets or
mystery with Shador Sanders. He's been like Caleb Williams, He's
entirely public. They're doing this and I think it's actually
pretty clever because they want to move down in the
draft and solve their roster for Russell Wilson. They want
to solve it and get more players. Am I wrong?
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Or are they really really? Are they considering getting another quarterback.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
The Giants GM Joe Shane was a town next to mine.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I see him all and his family around.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I've seen Joe Shane at more Colorado events than I've
seen him in Bergen County, New Jersey.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
You know, they've done plenty of work. They know who
Schadors Sanders is.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
They know and look, I do think there was a
point Collin where there were people in that building that
had him right number one of.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
This quarterback class. I think that's who they wanted.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
But I think the tides have changed, and I think
there are still people there that probably want to go
quarterback here. But Joe Shane spoke to the media this afternoon,
and I think he tried his best at keeping this quiet,
but it to me, my takeaway was they're going with
best player of Velvet three for the future of this
giant of this Giants organization, and they've got Jamis Winston
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and Russell Wilson on other squad. Now my question for them, though,
is is this who you really believe is going to
save your jobs? Because that is what's at stake here.
It's their jobs and for them if that's how they feel.
But yeah, I'm with you. I think there's a lot
of smoke. The owner is not even going to the
private workout, so that tells you what you need to know.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
But we'll see what happens with the next few days.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So I know this isn't a classic NFL question, but
I think it's a fascinating story. College football just had
their first holdout in the history of the sport. Nico Iamaliava,
I got it right there, you go. I've been practicing
that for two days. So talented kid goes to Tennessee,
paid two and a half million red shirting and then
all of a sudden story comes out. I want four
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and Tennessee's like, Okay, we're done here, which the kids talented.
I thought there would be a bidding war. Well, now
you hear stories that Belichick's not interested. There's not a
bidding war. It's like the rest of college football is
holding the line saying we're not going. And I said
earlier quarterback Dad has become pageant mall. It's crazy town.
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Are NFL people monitoring this because I thought Diana that
if he had a really good year at Tennessee, he
was a first round quarterback, maybe the second or third
best quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
What are you hearing?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It is the wild West right now in college football,
and that's the problem, and there's too much unknown. There's
not a lot of people who know how to navigate it,
and there's bad counsel happening, counsel from parents, from agents, friends, family.
So you look at this situation and you apply to
how the NFL is viewing it, and they're watching this
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because that story was the hottest topic, without a doubt,
over the weekend. I had one general manager share with
me that the notes that are being taken on this
is not so much about players that are investing in
their careers and trying to make the most money. They
understand that that is the twenty twenty five world that
we live in right now. It's our players now choosing
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themselves and making themselves the priority over the team. He
shared with me that he met with some of these
draft prospects and some of these guys were telling him
that they had other opportunities at other schools that were
going to pay them more money, but they liked the
program that they were part of and that they felt
that their teammates deserved that commitment from them, despite the
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fact that they could make a lot.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
More money somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So, yeah, the NFL is definitely decision makers are watching
the character of a lot of these players, but the
overall view of what's happening, I don't think anyone is
getting blame in any of this. The only one that's
getting blame right now are those that are running the
NCAA right and I think that's how the NFL space
is looking at it, while also taking note of character
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of how these guys are navigating this.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So I've been critical of Aaron through the years, but
I've always said, regardless of how you feel about ayahuasca,
a lot of artists do it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
He's more artist and accountant. I get it.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
The vaccine stuff whatever. A lot of Americans didn't want
to take it. I got friends that didn't want to
take it. Like I'm not going to judge him on that.
And I did think he played well down the stretch.
But I said, I think he's too smart to make
a dumb decision. And I don't get Pittsburgh defensive culture,
shaky oline lost, Nagee, Harris, high maintenance, receivers, great division
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with Berwin Lamar. And I think Aaron's a bright guy.
And if I saw him personally, i'd tell him sometimes
you drive me nuts, but you're smart. I think he
is sitting there and he knows Listen, I got about
a year left. I don't move very well. I got
a lot of money. I don't want to go in Pittsburgh.
I think he's sitting smartly waiting for the draft, with
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his eye on Minnesota or if the brock Pretty negotiations
go sideways. I think the Pittsburgh stuff is a ruse.
He knows it's fools gold what I mean. I know
he doesn't talk much and he mocks the media, But
is there a feeling in the league's he's just waiting
to see how everything falls out on the draft weekend.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Absolutely, this has been going on for months. This has
been going on.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Since Aaron Rodgers had conversations with the Minnesota Vikings. While
Minnesota will make it very clear and known and they
want you to know that Aaron was the one that
was pushing for them, that he called Kevin O'Connell, who
has a very good relationship with and there was a
time where they did serious homework on him and considered it.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
How could you not four time MVP, he's a Super
Bowl champ.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
How do you not say, hey, maybe our young quarterback
coming off an injury just may not be ready. That's realistic,
that's the reality of the Viking situation. But they made
a decision as an organization to say, nope, we're closing
that door. But they haven't shut it. They haven't completely
said it's off the table. What do they keep saying,
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Let's see how spring goes with JJ McCarthy. I don't
know what they're going to learn at OTAs there's not
much that happens, but Minnesota needs to see something, right,
So yeah, I think Er, I'm with you. I think
Aaron Rodgers is definitely sitting back going. I want to
go to a place where I can drop right in
like Tom Brady.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Did in Tampa Bay and win a Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I don't think the Pittsburgh Steelers are built to win.
The Minnesota Vikings are built to win. We know the
Rams were his number one choice. They're no longer on
the table anymore. Those aren't in his cards. So I
can tell you I spoke to Pittsburgh this morning. No updates,
think about this. No updates right now at this point,
as we're a week out from the draft, they still
have no idea whether or not Aaron Rodgers is going.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
To sign with him. They still want them.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
But I just think Aaron knows he's got the leverage
in the situation here and he may just sit this
thing out and wait.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
And what if there's another team colin forget Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Let's say Minnesota really truly shuts the door after whatever
they're going to see, you know, Ta's and JJ McCarthy, and.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
They go, Okay, this is our guy.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Maybe there's another team that has a quarterback that goes
down during trading camp that Aaron Rodgers believes is a
team built to win.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Finally, I said this to Frank Reich the other day.
I said, I've got this theory. Steve Kerr talked about
this after a game about two weeks ago. He said,
there's never been more money in the NBA, and owners
have never been richer. But they'll fire a staff and
a heartbeat. I mean, we just saw the Nuggets, the Sons.
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I mean, Nuggets are a playoff team. Memphis is a
playoff team. Owners now just fire guys viable playoff teams.
Do you believe I believe owners have more say on
draft day than gms and coaches are comfortable with. I
think Stan Kronke is a little bit of an outlier.
The Hunt families a little bit of an outlier. Do
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you talk to gms and they ever say, yeah, well
we'll see on draft day who we draft.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I mean, do you sense this?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yes, there's versions of ownership's presence in these draft rooms
and they're involved in You've got some owners who will
say they're not involved, but their body language tells you
everything you need to know. And if you're the general
manager employed by this owner and you're watching and you're
reading that, you're probably going to make a lot of
your decisions based on what you're sensing, maybe even going
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against some of your own belief knowing that you probably
want to keep your job right.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
So you have that version, then you have the others.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And I'm so glad you asked me this question because
I just had this conversation yesterday with the head.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Coach about his specific owner's involvement, and.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
We talked about kind of roughly that probably thirteen or
fourteen owners in football are probably heavily involved on draft
night in terms of this is what I think, this
is how I think we should go in which direction,
and Colin, we could probably do a whole segment and
rip through every team and what we think in terms
of that owner.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
But it's happened. It happens every year.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I mean, it makes me look back on last year
a little bit, you know, when let's use Denver as
an example, right it they kept that so wyat and
to me from the outside, it looked like ownership in
Denver went, Hey, Sean Payton, you're the smart one here.
We brought you here to go find the cue, go
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get them hands off. Then you have others where I
wonder in Atlanta, the situation there that night.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
That shocked me.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
We knew Michael Pennick junior stock was up, I just
didn't expect him to land in Atlanta. I'm curious how
much involvement ownership had in that one. I just think
there's a lot more of that happening than you realize.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Yeah, and or at least others.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I mean, you realize it, but it's layers and levels
of the involvement.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
It's how much they want to know.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
And by the way, I've spoken with head coaches and
gms who tell me their owner will text them on
draft night, good luck tonight, buddy. So there's versions where
they lay off, but I think there's a lot more
that had their hands in it than not good stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Diana Russini, senior NFL insider for The Athletic, which is great,
also has a podcast with Chase Daniels.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Tell people what the name of that is?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Again, I love that.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
You put up covered since twenty fifteen. It makes me
look like I'm seventy five. Twenty fifteen was a long
time ago.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
It was well a scoop city. By the way, is
the name of that podcast. Very very good, very funny.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Thanks Gill Good.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Senia Diana Russini. Yeah, her and Chase do a great
job on that. Very interesting. Yeah, the ownership situation is
I did this yesterday. We still have the graphic I said.
I have a circle of trust in the NFL, where
I think you have a certain hierarchy where you have owner, GM, coach,
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and quarterback.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I've always believed you have to be.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
At an A minus minimum on those four to consistently
win a Super Bowl. Now, Nick Sirianni, I see as
a C coach in Philadelphia one, so maybe they're a
plus plus plus plus at ownership, a plus plus plus
plus plus at GM.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Sirianni's obviously better. You know.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I'm not as high on brock pretty so I see
him more as a B quarterback. But I only have
eight teams in the league that I would put in
my Tier one circle of trust, and then about seven
in a Tier two where they check a lot of
boxes but not all of them. So it's a draft.
I've been lucky so Tier one in this league. Buffalo, Baltimore, Philly, Detroit, Yes,
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Detroit's really well run. Don't love the ownership, but they're
very well run. Upstairs, Kansas City, Rams, Green Bay, San
Francisco and then Tier two are there's a lot of things.
I like John Sneyder, the GM and Seattle a lot,
and I like the roster. We'll see on the coach
and quarterback Denver again. I love Sean Payton, new owners,
a lot of money, rosters, pretty good Chargers I'm okay with,
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but boy, they are hard to predicting big games. Tampa.
I love the GM, I like the quarterback. The coach
is okay. Minnesota has been well run for as long
as I can remember. I go back to the seventies.
They were making super Bowls back right now, we'll see Houston.
Loved the coach and the quarterback. Front office is better.
It deserves a lot of credit. They've drafted really well.
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And I think Washington, we all thought they would be better.
I think we were all shocked they were that good.
So yeah, but there there, I mean, that's right there.
I'm giving you fifteen. The league's got thirty two teams.
That's less than half the league. There are there's a
lot of circa sole on draft weekend. There's a lot
of hoops and people jumping around and a lot of
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suspense in drama that is that is not scripted. Uh,
it's I've been in one draft room in my life
and it was not chaotic. It was the Chargers. The
Spanos family was there, the son's work in the building.
It was not meddling at all, but it was fascinating
to watch it work. The Spanos family had a reputation
for years they were a little cheap. I don't think
that's fair now. I think they're spending money on Herbert
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and Hardball, the staff they got, they're spending money.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But it was a.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Fascinating to watch because there are clearly I mean, Dallas
is a cartoon, but they are clear Indianapolis right now.
I mean Chris Ballard wakes up every morning, and I
mean between Andrew Luck retiring and Carson Wentz being forced
after a really good season, Chris Ballard's basically just like, yeah,
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you're waving the white flag.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
You're just bailing water at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
So it's a lot more upstairs determines outcomes than people
think in this league.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
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Speaker 1 (22:34):
So this is really interesting, urban Meyer. So Tennessee goes
out the Tennessee volunteers who made the playoff this year,
and when this young quarterback, nico Io Maliava, and he
gets advice from somebody in his family, which I didn't love,
which is, hey, two and a half millions not enough.
I'm not showing up for spring practice. I'm not showing up.
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And they said, see you, we're taking a stand. Urban
Meyer said, Tennis is screwed. They get a problem. Everybody's saying,
nice job, Tennessee taking a stand.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Tennessee plays Florida usually every year in October. Can you imagine,
said erban Meyer. The game's going the other way and
coach Hypel grabs the mic, stands at the fifty yard
line in Land Stadium and says, hey, it's okay, I'm
going to stand way back.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Then.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
It's an interesting way to look at it, which is
you can make a lot of stands in life. The
kids talented, and you're not going to get somebody better
than him. And it's the SEC And if Tennessee is
a dramatic football program, they run through coaches they right,
I mean, what's the last time Tennessee back to back
years didn't have major drama. I mean they've had it
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since Phil Fulmer left and he's still around the program.
So you can, you can take a stand in life,
but at some point sometimes you lose negotiations.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You can't win all of them.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So it's an interesting perspective from urban Meyer, who's coached
in the SEC. Everybody can say, well, we took a stand,
Well can you beat Florida in October? Because that's all
people care about. Everybody here for Tennessee that's like really
happy about taking a stand is well, you're gonna be
worse at quarterback. And now last year's team made the
playoff and was mostly known for his defense. So they've
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got a good staff, they've got good players. It's a
great program, but it's been a bit of a sleeping
giant for the last twenty years, mostly because it's always
got unhinged drama all over the program. So if you
would have told me, oh, one of the major SEC
schools has major drama, I would have guessed Tennessee. I
mean it's just who they are. So you know, pop
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Greg Popovitch took a stand on Kawhi like all this mystery. Yes,
six straight losing seasons. Remember Pop took a stand. Oh
our doctors say he can play, and we're gonna ship
him off to Toronto will show him he won a trophy.
You haven't made the playoffs in six years, so now
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congrats on getting Wemby. But I like the PERSPECTI by Urban,
You're not going to be as good at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You're screwed. Jordan with a news no, no on the news.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
This is the headline news dam Williams, perhaps looking to
make a stand. Colin, looking to build on his rookie season,
hopes to take big steps under new head coach Van Johnson.
Caleb recently sat down with Esquire for an interview and
said that while he thinks other quarterbacks in the league
are quote great guys, he added quote I think the
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NFL game has become too friendly, and I don't necessarily
want to be friends because I want to keep that
competitive advantage A la Ry McElroy.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
I also think this is a little NBA ninety style,
and I credit him because a lot of guys want
to be friends with other stars. It's cool to be
friends with other stars, Caleb saying I don't need that.
I need to win I need to deliver on the
promise of a quarterback in.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Chicago, Michael Jordon was tough on his own teammates.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I'm not into this friends stuff.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Remember when Last Dance came out and Bill Winnington and
packs and they said, you know him, Jay, he wasn't
a good guy. He's kind of a jerk, but they
loved and respecting him because they won.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
If Caleb's a jerk and he wins, doesn't.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Matter, No, they're They're like Jay Cutler was very disagreeable.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, but he didn't win enough.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Correct, So so you and by the way, Jeff George
years ago, very disagreeable, doesn't win enough.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Peyton Manning wasn't.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I mean, Peyton's a really nice guy, but Peyton o'bark
and you know Pete tom Brady. So if you win,
it doesn't matter. But I don't need all this come
by all we're all buddies. I'm not into that stuff.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
There's been a lot of speculation about the future of
Eagles tight end Dallas Goddard as he enters the final
year of his contract. Philly has been reshaping its roster
as it prepares for their Super Bowl defense, and how
Howie Rose from the GM addressed how that got our
situation will impact their draft strategy.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
The way we look at the draft is it a
separate entity to anything else that's going on. We got
to make good decisions in the draft based on who
the players are that are available in the draft. We
can't make up any positions and make them better than
they're not, and we have to really have a true process,
so it really doesn't affect us. We try to do
as much as we can at any position in free
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agency to try to make sure that we're not in
a position where there is needs.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You know, Howie Roseman, as good as he is, would
be the first to acknowledge that you hit on about
fifty five percent of your draft picks. Now they've they've
taken some real risks on like Jalen Carter had some
character risk and he was a massive home run. But
this is this draft. Good drafts you hit on fifty
five percent of your players. Bad ones do you hit
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on forty five forty So Philadelphia is lucky that they.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Nailed two corner.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
They've been a little soft at corner for two to
three years and they nailed both corners last year. So
they're all line still young and viable enough. Philadelphia has
got about a two to three year runway here of
arguably having the best roster in the league.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Let me be clear, though, Dallas Goddard is available via trade.
He's entering the final year of his contract, no guaranteed money.
It's a really good tight end draft. It's not that
he's not a good player. He's a good player, but
he's also been injury prone. He's getting up there in age,
and you can always find a replacement when the draft
has that position.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, it's a really really Now.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I could see, honestly, I could see Howie Roseman moving
up to go get a Loveland from Michigan. They're not
gonna they're not gonna move up to get the Eagle,
the kid from Penn State.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
No, he's gonna go too high.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, but I could see them moving up to get Loveland,
who's not your traditional tight end. He can split him out.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Well, let me tell you about Loveland.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
He I was told he can go anywhere in the
ten to twenty one, twenty two range. Yes, he broke
the Michigan all time record fifty six catches this season,
six sixty eight. Yeah, he can run you can move
him out beast.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, he got a little brock Bowers where you can
move him out in a slot and he can go.
He's a really interesting player.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
So a lot of a lot of hype around Tyler Warren,
justifiably so. But Colston Lovelan out of Michigan, just down
the road, is going to be a star, gonna be
available in that ten to twenty two range, could be
a Philly target. Speaking of tight ends, Mark Andrews, another
very good player, could also be.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
On the move this offseason.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Andrews season will be remembered for his drop two point
conversion against Buffalo in the AFC Divisional Round, and during
his pre draft press conference, Ravens GM Eric Tacosta was
noncommittal on his tight ends future.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
I never know what's gonna happen, Jeck, and I would
never want to say this or that, you know, but
I can tell you this.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Mark Andrews is a.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
Warrior, and he's played his butt off for us and
his competitiveness, his talent, his attitude, his leadership is so
valued here and he's a great player. And I think
we're in the business of keeping as many great players
as we can. So there's always a lot of unpredictability
with the draft.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
You just never know, So there's a lot to unpack here.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
But Mark Andrews entering the final year of his contract,
no guaranteed money, seventeen million dollar capit. If Baltimore were
to part ways with Andrews Colling, they would now gain
eleven million in cap space. He also comes off comes
off the lowest yards per game under forty since his
rookie year.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
And a bad playoff game.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Bad playoff game.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
And keep in mind Baltimore not only has Isaiah Likely
who's primed to become tight end one.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Which also yes, and it's also a good tight end.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
Draft, so yees, so I was gonna say really good
tight end in the making and likely excellent tight end draft.
And oh, by the way, the Ravens have eleven picks,
tied for most in the entire draft. So it would
be vintage Ravens to say, you know what, Mark Andrews,
you've been a great player here all pro we're going
to move on from you.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Your twenty nine. He would have a market, He would
absolutely have.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
A market, and that's why now's the time to do
it before he gets to be thirty one, thirty two,
he's twenty nine, finally year of his contract.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I could see Sean Payton in Denver going and getting him.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Yeah, they need a tight end.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Well, well, they actually just got the tight end from
Evan Ingram from Jacksonville, although it wouldn't be bad to
get too.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah they did yet Evan. Yeah, but tight end was
in need.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
But if Sean Payton loves tight ends, he loves tight
ends obviously, Jimmy Graham, if you got another one for.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Bowen Nicks, that would make sense. And Mark Andrews is
not washed up.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
He's getting to the point where he's not going to
become a valuable but he still has not.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
A great wide receiver draft, and they've got Courtland Sutton
but not really a trustable number two receiver. So do
they want to go heavy with tight end package?
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
So we've talked a lot about Travis Hunter and he's
an excellent player, but as we get closer to the draft,
specifically whether or not he'll be able to keep playing
both ways of the pros now. Despite Hunter's confidence, John Harbor,
Ravens head coach, not as optimistic, saying quote to say
that you're going to be completely immersed in everything that
there is to know on offense and defense.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
I don't know if there's enough hours in the day.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Colin, how confident are you and Travis Hunter's two way
abilities at the next level.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Oh. I think he's a great athlete. I think in
any draft he'd be a top ten pick. I would
just play him at receiver more than corner. But I
think he has something that people have talked about this.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Joel Clatt talked about this.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
He can play eighty snaps in a game and by
the eightieth staff he still has the same energy. That's
like when Michael Jordan used to play eighteen holes or
four playoffs in the playoffs and by the way, in
may or June, right, he would be playing outdoors eighteen
holes and then go spot forty two in a playoff game.
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Some people and I've met, I've had a couple friends
in my life like this. They just got energy. They're
just genetically wired. They don't sleep much right, they're five
hour night sleepers. This kid's energy level, it's incredible, every snap,
end of a game, still making plays. So I think
he's going to go to a bad team, and bad
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teams need great electric players.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
They're like a cheat code. Yeah, and so I would.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
If I'm New England, I'd play him seventy five snaps
a game, more on offense than defense, but I'd be
good with it.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
Transcendent talent. And you said yesterday there's more money to
be made at receiver.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
But if he could play twenty five or thirty percent,
or maybe just certain packages at corner, that is incredibly valuable.
And I mentioned this yesterday. I want to elaborate on it.
The fact that he knows both positions so well. Isn't
that going to be an unlocked cheap code at the
next level, Understanding what the opposition wants to do?
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Well, that's a value.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, I just I mean, I think receiver is a
hard position as a rookie because so much as timing
with a quarterback, and if your quarterback doesn't have time,
you have a bad offensive line, like New England.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
But I think corner.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Is one of those you can walk in as a
rookie running back in very instinctive positions. He could start
day one at corner and if you told me at
the end of the year he was a top four
corner in the league.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I would not be shocked.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I would be shocked if you told me he's a
top four wide receiver because so much, I mean, Brady
was taking his receivers on vacations. So much of receiver
is timing, so much of corner is just instinct. Jordan
with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping.
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Speaker 1 (36:14):
Fox Tomorrow I'm gonna do I don't do a lot
of mock drafts anymore. Because I think you're just basically
signing up to be wrong. And I don't mind being
wrong every Monday. I do Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. I
don't know why more people don't admit in politics, especially
why can't just people admit on MSNBC you are wrong a.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Lot, just say it.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Just don't it to be on Fox, MSNBC see and
just don't it. But mock drafts are ridiculous because what's
gonna happen is cam Ward's going number one, and then
everybody just lies like nobody. I mean, I would take
Shade Sanders. If I was Cleveland, I would take Shadeur Sanders.
I got a coach I like in Kevin Stefanski. He's
very good with pocket quarterbacks. I think Sir Sanders is
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getting so nitpicked. I think now he's undervalued. You know,
if I was the Giants, I mean they went and
got Russell Wilson. So I'll have a draft tomorrow, top
ten or twelve on what I would draft.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I think, I think.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I do think One of the more engaging questions is
what do you do with Ashton Genty, the Boise State
running back? So my take is the kid out of
North Carolina. The second best running back reminds me of
a poor man's Adrian Peterson. He's not Adrian Peterson, but
he is big and physical and he's going to be
really hard. He was in college for corners and safeties
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to bring down if he gets through the first line.
He is a load and has great speed. So I
tend to think you're going to get eighty five percent
of Ashton genty with the second best running back in
the class. And it's an incredibly deep class. But many
people and I don't think it's necessarily wrong or saying
he may be the third or fourth best athlete in
this class. Like if you're Dallas, I mean, Dak's been
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good when he has a run game. I mean the
Raiders are a prime example. Geno Smith. Raiders are a
fascinating team. So Geno Smith last several years with the Seahawks.
He's really good at one thing, play action passing. When
he has a run game, and Gino can throw with
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a substantial run game, He's actually as a passer rating
over one hundred. So the Raiders have their offensive line
set Colton Miller. They got their center last year from Oregon.
They got the right tackle from Maryland. They have Geno
at quarterback, superstar tight end receiver Jacoby Myers. They need
a number one receiver. He may not be available in
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this draft. And you don't have to have a number
one receiver. New England was winning Super Bowls. The only
time they didn't they had Randy Moss. I don't buy
that you have to have a dominant number one receiver.
I think is the weather gets cold December, January February.
I mean Tyreek Hill disappears late in the season. It
just doesn't matter. So I mean, and to City's been
(39:00):
fine without Tyreek Hill. Okay, so, but I do think
Gino is ineffective playing in a division with Mahomes, Justin
Herbert and bow Nick, Sean Payton, Jim Harbought, Andy Reid.
Gino's not good when it's third and eight, no run game,
and he's got to throw and everybody in the ballpark
knows it. That's not good Gino. That's interception Gino. So
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to me, the Raiders are fascinating. I could see them
getting Ashton Genty. Okay, now we got a run game,
an O line, a tight end. We'll get another number
two or three receiver. Remember last year the Raiders with
a staff, a coaching staff that was not as good
as Pete Carolyn Schip Kelly and a quarterback not nearly
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as good as Gino Smith.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
They should have beaten the Chiefs twice.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
They were a tough out, and I Antonio Pierce good leadership.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Guys played hard.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I think Antonio Pierce was not the primary issue, and
I thought out their GM.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Tom Talasco's the front. I didn't think he was the issue.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
But there's no denying Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly is
an upgrade in coaching. Gino's a major upgrade at quarterback.
And this team was a tough out last year. So
if I we put the board up again on the draft,
the really interesting team to man. Pete Carroll's in his seventies,
the slow build, that's why he likes Gino. It didn't
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want to have to, you know, groom some quarterback for
six years. Geno's what he knows. Gino got him to
a playoff. Geno had a Pro Bowl season a couple
of years ago. The Raiders at six, I think, and
I think this if I ran the Raiders, I don't
love taking running backs in the first round, but in
a week draft. If Hunter's gone, they don't need a
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tight end because they got Meyer from Notre Dame two
years ago and they have Brock power. They do not
need a tight end. Otherwise I take the Penn State kit.
They don't need it. They need a running back for
Geno Smith.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
There's a big contingent within the Raiders building that would
love to draft Acid Gend. Now that doesn't mean they will,
but he's in play there. And you talk about Schip Kelly,
his relationship with Gino was equally as important.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
As Pete Carroll's.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
That played so much into Vegas making a trade and
then extending him giving an almost sixty seven million guaranteed. You
give Gino a running game, Colin, As you know, he
throws as good a ball as anyone, but he needs
a running game.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
No, His play action pass analytic numbers are fantastic. There
are two genos, you know. It's like Sam Donald, there's
two SAMs. When Sam has time to throw in a
good offensive coach, Sam Donald can be electric. When Sam
has poor protection, like the playoff game against the Ram
a lot of mistakes, there are two SAMs.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
There are two genos.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Like you got the same Brady Peyton Manning is the
great guys. You get the same Joe Burrow, good protection
or not. But most quarterbacks in this league there are
different versions depending on the run game, field position, time
to throw. I think Ashton genty to the Raiders. I
think I'd pull the trigger on that. That's the play.
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To me, that that is the you know Pete Carroll,
Reggie Bush, and Marshawn Lynch. Pete Carroll won when he
had a run game.
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Play in games started last night, fun stuff live in
Los Angeles. It's the Hurd wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Diana Russini in five minutes. You know
it's really it's I love this time of the year.
I mean, we just had March. Maddins was amazing. The
Masters was my favorite Masters in forever. Masters has delivered
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so many times. There's just some things in my life
that have always been there on Sunday NFL Sopranos for
about a decad and the Masters is very infrequently not delivered.
And I thought CBS did a great job with it.
And this time we got all this NFL draft stuff.
(01:15):
I do not remember a draft where I had stronger
disagreements with friends and people I know, I like Sador
Sanders much more than people that I know in the league.
You know, I don't think he's an A prospect. I
think he's a B plus prospect. But I think he's
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a really good kid, a really good player, better armed
than he gets credit for it. This idea that he's
a pocket quarterback. He's not immobile. He moves, he had
to move. He had a terrible offensive line. He's fine,
So I like him much more.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I don't. I'm not into the.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Louisville quarterback who's like twenty seven. I'm not into Jackson Dart.
I like Kyle McCord.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
A lot of.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
People don't because you know, he's a little Philip River.
Kyle McCord pocket guy. Can make some risky throws, but
he's competitor. He'll throw it into traffic, he'll take risks,
he'll throw it downfield.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
He's not a DNC and dunk guy.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So I think Kyle McCord with the right hands, he
is really aggressive pocket passer, not a great athlete. But
I like the fact that there's wide variations of opinions.
That's what makes this job fun. So before I get
to Diana Russini, she's got great stuff on the draft
and other things. I'm gonna give you five four bold
(02:31):
predictions to the playoffs, kind of bold. One of them's
bold Number one is I think the Joker. I think
Denver's gonna lose to the Clippers, although I think it's
a very good series. He's going to average a thirty
point triple double. First of all, if he's not on
the floor, Denver's bad. He has to play, and after Zubots,
the Clippers have no center depth. Ben Simmons is their
backup center, so he's going to have to log forty
(02:53):
minutes and he's gonna put up massive numbers, so he's
going to have an all time playoff series. I think
the Clippers win. I think the Rockets upset the Warriors.
Amon Thompson is their best athlete Houston, and he guarded
Steph the last time they played. He's a terrific player,
terrific athlete. The Rosters young athletic. They defend the three
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great rebounding team young. They will not lose energy over
the course of the series. And I think the Warriors
are unbelievably Steph and Jimmy Butler reliant, and the kaminga issue.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Hurts.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
They need Kaminga to play real minutes with his length
against the Warriors, and now he's a DNP coaches decision.
Rockets upset the Warriors. Number three, the Detroit Pistons will
have more ejections than wins against the Knicks. First of all,
they're going to struggle to stop Jalen Brunson they have
this year. Secondly, they're a very young emotional team is Detroit.
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They led the Eastern Conference with ten player ejections and
they got a chip on their shoulder. And New York
is a physical team and a chatting team at times,
and they're gonna frustrate that, you know what, out of
the Piston. So I think I think New York flies
through them. Pistons players have multiple ejections. And for the record,
the Knicks do not play the caves of the Celtics. Well,
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they're thirty four to ten against the rest of the East,
so they're gonna hammer the Pistons. And number four Ant
Edwards will have multiple forty point games against the Lakers.
They're not a team that gets easy buckets. Go Bear
and Julius Randall don't have a history of scoring consistently
in the playoffs. Ant played great down the stretch. He's
(04:38):
actually the last two playoffs been a very efficient player.
He shoots better. So Ant's playing the best basketball of
his career. And I think the Lakers defense maybe let
Ant have his We're not gonna lose because Julius Randall
goes off, So I think Ant is going to be
highly productive. I think it'll be a wildly entertaining series.
(04:59):
But I just don't think the Tea Wolves can consistently
initiate enough offense. They'll they'll have too many, if not
wasted possessions, too many difficult, clunky possessions. The Lakers between
Austin Reeves playing the best basketball of his career, Lucas
in better shape, Lebron's rested, ready to go, They're going
(05:20):
to get more easy looks, easier transition to offense, and
I think the Lakers are going to win that series
in six. Diana Russini, the athletic senior NFL Insider, Plus,
you got a great podcast with Chase Channels. So there's
a weird story out there, and I don't know what
to make of it. You talked about it with Chase
that I said this. I think I said it Monday
(05:41):
on the air. I didn't know derffck Carr was injured
and all of a sudden, He's gonna miss the season.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I'm on vacation. I'm like, what where did that come from?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Give me the my take it are they sending a
message that, hey, we're going to draft youdor Sanders pal?
So you know what is the story? Is that gamesmanship?
What's happening with Derek carrs?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It's so funny.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
My former colleague and very good friend, Jeff Darlington was
covering the Masters and when he got back on Monday,
he called me. He said, Derek Carr's hurt. What's happening?
So he felt the same way you did. Where did
this come from? Well, it was a late Friday afternoon
news drop. That's probably why you missed it. And look,
Derek carrs had shoulder situations and issues the rotator cuff
(06:25):
for a while. This has been going on't he has
a history of it, right, But they restructured his deal.
So if you restructure your quarterbacks deal that is very
Derek Carr friendly, then you have to believe that this
organization didn't have any concerns that this would be an
issue in this upcoming season. So Friday in the news
comes out that Derek Carr may miss this season, and
(06:47):
I have to tell you, I immediately started getting text
messages from people around the league with hey, this is
fishy or I had one head coach say trade bait,
right of this is what's this is?
Speaker 5 (07:00):
There's more to this story.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
So I did some digging on it, and I do
think Derek Carr has a shoulder situation going on. I
don't think he's lying about it. I don't think he's
putting this out there. This is not who Derek Carr
is as a human being. He's got high character. But
I just think it's peculiar, and I think the team
thinks it's peculiar. I reached out to some people with
(07:22):
the Saints when this all was happening, and they knew
of it, meaning they knew something.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Strange was boiling.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Derek Carr was looking to possibly get out of New
Orleans after Dennis Allen was fired, and I don't think
he wants to be there anymore. And I think the
Saints are committed to getting a quarterback in this track
that I don't think they're going nine with it right now.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
I think they're going best player available here. I think
they're going pass rush. I think they're going to redo
their front. That would make sense to me.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
But I think the New Orleans Saints, going back to
the end of the season, did so much work on
this quarterback lass that I see them getting involved in
some way in some round here at quarterback. So what
does that mean for Derek Carr. I don't know how
this gets solved, because to me, this tells me he does.
Derek car doesn't want to be there, And how are
the Saints going to sell that right? How are they
to sell it to their fans that this is our guy. Oh,
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he doesn't want to be here, but we pat him
a botload of money. So either got to get some
marriage counseling or just part ways.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Okay, So I saw a story this week, and my
projection on this I was playing part sociologist or something.
I said, the Giants don't really care about Shador Sanders.
They're going to see him again because they want to
send a message to the Saints and the Steelers. Oh no, no,
we're gonna take forget Russell Wilson and Jamis, We're going
to take Shador, So they go to Boulder. I mean,
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they've already got fifty games on tape, they've got the
the pro day, They've interviewed him. There's no secrets or
mystery with Shador Sanders. He's been like Caleb Williams, He's
entirely public. They're doing this and I think it's actually
pretty clever because they want to move down in the
draft and solve their roster for Russell Wilson. They want
to solve it and get more players. Am I wrong?
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Or are they really really? Are they considering getting another quarterback.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
The Giants GM Joe Shane was a town next to mine.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I see him all and his family around.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I've seen Joe Shane at more Colorado events than I've
seen him in Bergen County, New Jersey.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
You know, they've done plenty of work. They know who
Schadors Sanders is.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
They know and look, I do think there was a
point Collin where there were people in that building that
had him right number one of.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
This quarterback class. I think that's who they wanted.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
But I think the tides have changed, and I think
there are still people there that probably want to go
quarterback here. But Joe Shane spoke to the media this afternoon,
and I think he tried his best at keeping this quiet,
but it to me, my takeaway was they're going with
best player of Velvet three for the future of this
giant of this Giants organization, and they've got Jamis Winston
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and Russell Wilson on other squad. Now my question for them, though,
is is this who you really believe is going to
save your jobs? Because that is what's at stake here.
It's their jobs and for them if that's how they feel.
But yeah, I'm with you. I think there's a lot
of smoke. The owner is not even going to the
private workout, so that tells you what you need to know.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
But we'll see what happens with the next few days.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So I know this isn't a classic NFL question, but
I think it's a fascinating story. College football just had
their first holdout in the history of the sport. Nico Iamaliava,
I got it right there, you go. I've been practicing
that for two days. So talented kid goes to Tennessee,
paid two and a half million red shirting and then
all of a sudden story comes out. I want four
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and Tennessee's like, Okay, we're done here, which the kids talented.
I thought there would be a bidding war. Well, now
you hear stories that Belichick's not interested. There's not a
bidding war. It's like the rest of college football is
holding the line saying we're not going. And I said
earlier quarterback Dad has become pageant mall. It's crazy town.
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Are NFL people monitoring this because I thought Diana that
if he had a really good year at Tennessee, he
was a first round quarterback, maybe the second or third
best quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
What are you hearing?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It is the wild West right now in college football,
and that's the problem, and there's too much unknown. There's
not a lot of people who know how to navigate it,
and there's bad counsel happening, counsel from parents, from agents, friends, family.
So you look at this situation and you apply to
how the NFL is viewing it, and they're watching this
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because that story was the hottest topic, without a doubt,
over the weekend. I had one general manager share with
me that the notes that are being taken on this
is not so much about players that are investing in
their careers and trying to make the most money. They
understand that that is the twenty twenty five world that
we live in right now. It's our players now choosing
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themselves and making themselves the priority over the team. He
shared with me that he met with some of these
draft prospects and some of these guys were telling him
that they had other opportunities at other schools that were
going to pay them more money, but they liked the
program that they were part of and that they felt
that their teammates deserved that commitment from them, despite the
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fact that they could make a lot.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
More money somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So, yeah, the NFL is definitely decision makers are watching
the character of a lot of these players, but the
overall view of what's happening, I don't think anyone is
getting blame in any of this. The only one that's
getting blame right now are those that are running the
NCAA right and I think that's how the NFL space
is looking at it, while also taking note of character
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of how these guys are navigating this.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So I've been critical of Aaron through the years, but
I've always said, regardless of how you feel about ayahuasca,
a lot of artists do it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
He's more artist and accountant. I get it.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
The vaccine stuff whatever. A lot of Americans didn't want
to take it. I got friends that didn't want to
take it. Like I'm not going to judge him on that.
And I did think he played well down the stretch.
But I said, I think he's too smart to make
a dumb decision. And I don't get Pittsburgh defensive culture,
shaky oline lost, Nagee, Harris, high maintenance, receivers, great division
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with Berwin Lamar. And I think Aaron's a bright guy.
And if I saw him personally, i'd tell him sometimes
you drive me nuts, but you're smart. I think he
is sitting there and he knows Listen, I got about
a year left. I don't move very well. I got
a lot of money. I don't want to go in Pittsburgh.
I think he's sitting smartly waiting for the draft, with
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his eye on Minnesota or if the brock Pretty negotiations
go sideways. I think the Pittsburgh stuff is a ruse.
He knows it's fools gold what I mean. I know
he doesn't talk much and he mocks the media, But
is there a feeling in the league's he's just waiting
to see how everything falls out on the draft weekend.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Absolutely, this has been going on for months. This has
been going on.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Since Aaron Rodgers had conversations with the Minnesota Vikings. While
Minnesota will make it very clear and known and they
want you to know that Aaron was the one that
was pushing for them, that he called Kevin O'Connell, who
has a very good relationship with and there was a
time where they did serious homework on him and considered it.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
How could you not four time MVP, he's a Super
Bowl champ.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
How do you not say, hey, maybe our young quarterback
coming off an injury just may not be ready. That's realistic,
that's the reality of the Viking situation. But they made
a decision as an organization to say, nope, we're closing
that door. But they haven't shut it. They haven't completely
said it's off the table. What do they keep saying,
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Let's see how spring goes with JJ McCarthy. I don't
know what they're going to learn at OTAs there's not
much that happens, but Minnesota needs to see something, right,
So yeah, I think Er, I'm with you. I think
Aaron Rodgers is definitely sitting back going. I want to
go to a place where I can drop right in
like Tom Brady.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Did in Tampa Bay and win a Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I don't think the Pittsburgh Steelers are built to win.
The Minnesota Vikings are built to win. We know the
Rams were his number one choice. They're no longer on
the table anymore. Those aren't in his cards. So I
can tell you I spoke to Pittsburgh this morning. No updates,
think about this. No updates right now at this point,
as we're a week out from the draft, they still
have no idea whether or not Aaron Rodgers is going.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
To sign with him. They still want them.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
But I just think Aaron knows he's got the leverage
in the situation here and he may just sit this
thing out and wait.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
And what if there's another team colin forget Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Let's say Minnesota really truly shuts the door after whatever
they're going to see, you know, Ta's and JJ McCarthy, and.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
They go, Okay, this is our guy.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Maybe there's another team that has a quarterback that goes
down during trading camp that Aaron Rodgers believes is a
team built to win.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Finally, I said this to Frank Reich the other day.
I said, I've got this theory. Steve Kerr talked about
this after a game about two weeks ago. He said,
there's never been more money in the NBA, and owners
have never been richer. But they'll fire a staff and
a heartbeat. I mean, we just saw the Nuggets, the Sons.
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I mean, Nuggets are a playoff team. Memphis is a
playoff team. Owners now just fire guys viable playoff teams.
Do you believe I believe owners have more say on
draft day than gms and coaches are comfortable with. I
think Stan Kronke is a little bit of an outlier.
The Hunt families a little bit of an outlier. Do
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you talk to gms and they ever say, yeah, well
we'll see on draft day who we draft.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I mean, do you sense this?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yes, there's versions of ownership's presence in these draft rooms
and they're involved in You've got some owners who will
say they're not involved, but their body language tells you
everything you need to know. And if you're the general
manager employed by this owner and you're watching and you're
reading that, you're probably going to make a lot of
your decisions based on what you're sensing, maybe even going
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against some of your own belief knowing that you probably
want to keep your job right.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
So you have that version, then you have the others.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And I'm so glad you asked me this question because
I just had this conversation yesterday with the head.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Coach about his specific owner's involvement, and.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
We talked about kind of roughly that probably thirteen or
fourteen owners in football are probably heavily involved on draft
night in terms of this is what I think, this
is how I think we should go in which direction,
and Colin, we could probably do a whole segment and
rip through every team and what we think in terms
of that owner.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
But it's happened. It happens every year.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I mean, it makes me look back on last year
a little bit, you know, when let's use Denver as
an example, right it they kept that so wyat and
to me from the outside, it looked like ownership in
Denver went, Hey, Sean Payton, you're the smart one here.
We brought you here to go find the cue, go
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get them hands off. Then you have others where I
wonder in Atlanta, the situation there that night.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
That shocked me.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
We knew Michael Pennick junior stock was up, I just
didn't expect him to land in Atlanta. I'm curious how
much involvement ownership had in that one. I just think
there's a lot more of that happening than you realize.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Yeah, and or at least others.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I mean, you realize it, but it's layers and levels
of the involvement.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
It's how much they want to know.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
And by the way, I've spoken with head coaches and
gms who tell me their owner will text them on
draft night, good luck tonight, buddy. So there's versions where
they lay off, but I think there's a lot more
that had their hands in it than not good stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Diana Russini, senior NFL insider for The Athletic, which is great,
also has a podcast with Chase Daniels.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Tell people what the name of that is?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Again, I love that.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
You put up covered since twenty fifteen. It makes me
look like I'm seventy five. Twenty fifteen was a long
time ago.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
It was well a scoop city. By the way, is
the name of that podcast. Very very good, very funny.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Thanks Gill Good.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Senia Diana Russini. Yeah, her and Chase do a great
job on that. Very interesting. Yeah, the ownership situation is
I did this yesterday. We still have the graphic I said.
I have a circle of trust in the NFL, where
I think you have a certain hierarchy where you have owner, GM, coach,
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and quarterback.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I've always believed you have to be.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
At an A minus minimum on those four to consistently
win a Super Bowl. Now, Nick Sirianni, I see as
a C coach in Philadelphia one, so maybe they're a
plus plus plus plus at ownership, a plus plus plus
plus plus at GM.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Sirianni's obviously better. You know.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I'm not as high on brock pretty so I see
him more as a B quarterback. But I only have
eight teams in the league that I would put in
my Tier one circle of trust, and then about seven
in a Tier two where they check a lot of
boxes but not all of them. So it's a draft.
I've been lucky so Tier one in this league. Buffalo, Baltimore, Philly, Detroit, Yes,
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Detroit's really well run. Don't love the ownership, but they're
very well run. Upstairs, Kansas City, Rams, Green Bay, San
Francisco and then Tier two are there's a lot of things.
I like John Sneyder, the GM and Seattle a lot,
and I like the roster. We'll see on the coach
and quarterback Denver again. I love Sean Payton, new owners,
a lot of money, rosters, pretty good Chargers I'm okay with,
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but boy, they are hard to predicting big games. Tampa.
I love the GM, I like the quarterback. The coach
is okay. Minnesota has been well run for as long
as I can remember. I go back to the seventies.
They were making super Bowls back right now, we'll see Houston.
Loved the coach and the quarterback. Front office is better.
It deserves a lot of credit. They've drafted really well.
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And I think Washington, we all thought they would be better.
I think we were all shocked they were that good.
So yeah, but there there, I mean, that's right there.
I'm giving you fifteen. The league's got thirty two teams.
That's less than half the league. There are there's a
lot of circa sole on draft weekend. There's a lot
of hoops and people jumping around and a lot of
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suspense in drama that is that is not scripted. Uh,
it's I've been in one draft room in my life
and it was not chaotic. It was the Chargers. The
Spanos family was there, the son's work in the building.
It was not meddling at all, but it was fascinating
to watch it work. The Spanos family had a reputation
for years they were a little cheap. I don't think
that's fair now. I think they're spending money on Herbert
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and Hardball, the staff they got, they're spending money.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But it was a.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Fascinating to watch because there are clearly I mean, Dallas
is a cartoon, but they are clear Indianapolis right now.
I mean Chris Ballard wakes up every morning, and I
mean between Andrew Luck retiring and Carson Wentz being forced
after a really good season, Chris Ballard's basically just like, yeah,
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you're waving the white flag.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
You're just bailing water at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
So it's a lot more upstairs determines outcomes than people
think in this league.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
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Speaker 1 (22:34):
So this is really interesting, urban Meyer. So Tennessee goes
out the Tennessee volunteers who made the playoff this year,
and when this young quarterback, nico Io Maliava, and he
gets advice from somebody in his family, which I didn't love,
which is, hey, two and a half millions not enough.
I'm not showing up for spring practice. I'm not showing up.
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And they said, see you, we're taking a stand. Urban
Meyer said, Tennis is screwed. They get a problem. Everybody's saying,
nice job, Tennessee taking a stand.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Tennessee plays Florida usually every year in October. Can you imagine,
said erban Meyer. The game's going the other way and
coach Hypel grabs the mic, stands at the fifty yard
line in Land Stadium and says, hey, it's okay, I'm
going to stand way back.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Then.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
It's an interesting way to look at it, which is
you can make a lot of stands in life. The
kids talented, and you're not going to get somebody better
than him. And it's the SEC And if Tennessee is
a dramatic football program, they run through coaches they right,
I mean, what's the last time Tennessee back to back
years didn't have major drama. I mean they've had it
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since Phil Fulmer left and he's still around the program.
So you can, you can take a stand in life,
but at some point sometimes you lose negotiations.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You can't win all of them.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So it's an interesting perspective from urban Meyer, who's coached
in the SEC. Everybody can say, well, we took a stand,
Well can you beat Florida in October? Because that's all
people care about. Everybody here for Tennessee that's like really
happy about taking a stand is well, you're gonna be
worse at quarterback. And now last year's team made the
playoff and was mostly known for his defense. So they've
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got a good staff, they've got good players. It's a
great program, but it's been a bit of a sleeping
giant for the last twenty years, mostly because it's always
got unhinged drama all over the program. So if you
would have told me, oh, one of the major SEC
schools has major drama, I would have guessed Tennessee. I
mean it's just who they are. So you know, pop
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Greg Popovitch took a stand on Kawhi like all this mystery. Yes,
six straight losing seasons. Remember Pop took a stand. Oh
our doctors say he can play, and we're gonna ship
him off to Toronto will show him he won a trophy.
You haven't made the playoffs in six years, so now
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congrats on getting Wemby. But I like the PERSPECTI by Urban,
You're not going to be as good at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You're screwed. Jordan with a news no, no on the news.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
This is the headline news dam Williams, perhaps looking to
make a stand. Colin, looking to build on his rookie season,
hopes to take big steps under new head coach Van Johnson.
Caleb recently sat down with Esquire for an interview and
said that while he thinks other quarterbacks in the league
are quote great guys, he added quote I think the
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NFL game has become too friendly, and I don't necessarily
want to be friends because I want to keep that
competitive advantage A la Ry McElroy.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
I also think this is a little NBA ninety style,
and I credit him because a lot of guys want
to be friends with other stars. It's cool to be
friends with other stars, Caleb saying I don't need that.
I need to win I need to deliver on the
promise of a quarterback in.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Chicago, Michael Jordon was tough on his own teammates.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I'm not into this friends stuff.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Remember when Last Dance came out and Bill Winnington and
packs and they said, you know him, Jay, he wasn't
a good guy. He's kind of a jerk, but they
loved and respecting him because they won.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
If Caleb's a jerk and he wins, doesn't.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Matter, No, they're They're like Jay Cutler was very disagreeable.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, but he didn't win enough.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Correct, So so you and by the way, Jeff George
years ago, very disagreeable, doesn't win enough.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Peyton Manning wasn't.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I mean, Peyton's a really nice guy, but Peyton o'bark
and you know Pete tom Brady. So if you win,
it doesn't matter. But I don't need all this come
by all we're all buddies. I'm not into that stuff.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
There's been a lot of speculation about the future of
Eagles tight end Dallas Goddard as he enters the final
year of his contract. Philly has been reshaping its roster
as it prepares for their Super Bowl defense, and how
Howie Rose from the GM addressed how that got our
situation will impact their draft strategy.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
The way we look at the draft is it a
separate entity to anything else that's going on. We got
to make good decisions in the draft based on who
the players are that are available in the draft. We
can't make up any positions and make them better than
they're not, and we have to really have a true process,
so it really doesn't affect us. We try to do
as much as we can at any position in free
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agency to try to make sure that we're not in
a position where there is needs.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You know, Howie Roseman, as good as he is, would
be the first to acknowledge that you hit on about
fifty five percent of your draft picks. Now they've they've
taken some real risks on like Jalen Carter had some
character risk and he was a massive home run. But
this is this draft. Good drafts you hit on fifty
five percent of your players. Bad ones do you hit
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on forty five forty So Philadelphia is lucky that they.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Nailed two corner.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
They've been a little soft at corner for two to
three years and they nailed both corners last year. So
they're all line still young and viable enough. Philadelphia has
got about a two to three year runway here of
arguably having the best roster in the league.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Let me be clear, though, Dallas Goddard is available via trade.
He's entering the final year of his contract, no guaranteed money.
It's a really good tight end draft. It's not that
he's not a good player. He's a good player, but
he's also been injury prone. He's getting up there in age,
and you can always find a replacement when the draft
has that position.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, it's a really really Now.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I could see, honestly, I could see Howie Roseman moving
up to go get a Loveland from Michigan. They're not
gonna they're not gonna move up to get the Eagle,
the kid from Penn State.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
No, he's gonna go too high.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, but I could see them moving up to get Loveland,
who's not your traditional tight end. He can split him out.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Well, let me tell you about Loveland.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
He I was told he can go anywhere in the
ten to twenty one, twenty two range. Yes, he broke
the Michigan all time record fifty six catches this season,
six sixty eight. Yeah, he can run you can move
him out beast.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, he got a little brock Bowers where you can
move him out in a slot and he can go.
He's a really interesting player.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
So a lot of a lot of hype around Tyler Warren,
justifiably so. But Colston Lovelan out of Michigan, just down
the road, is going to be a star, gonna be
available in that ten to twenty two range, could be
a Philly target. Speaking of tight ends, Mark Andrews, another
very good player, could also be.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
On the move this offseason.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Andrews season will be remembered for his drop two point
conversion against Buffalo in the AFC Divisional Round, and during
his pre draft press conference, Ravens GM Eric Tacosta was
noncommittal on his tight ends future.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
I never know what's gonna happen, Jeck, and I would
never want to say this or that, you know, but
I can tell you this.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Mark Andrews is a.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
Warrior, and he's played his butt off for us and
his competitiveness, his talent, his attitude, his leadership is so
valued here and he's a great player. And I think
we're in the business of keeping as many great players
as we can. So there's always a lot of unpredictability
with the draft.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
You just never know, So there's a lot to unpack here.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
But Mark Andrews entering the final year of his contract,
no guaranteed money, seventeen million dollar capit. If Baltimore were
to part ways with Andrews Colling, they would now gain
eleven million in cap space. He also comes off comes
off the lowest yards per game under forty since his
rookie year.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
And a bad playoff game.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Bad playoff game.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
And keep in mind Baltimore not only has Isaiah Likely
who's primed to become tight end one.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Which also yes, and it's also a good tight end.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
Draft, so yees, so I was gonna say really good
tight end in the making and likely excellent tight end draft.
And oh, by the way, the Ravens have eleven picks,
tied for most in the entire draft. So it would
be vintage Ravens to say, you know what, Mark Andrews,
you've been a great player here all pro we're going
to move on from you.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Your twenty nine. He would have a market, He would
absolutely have.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
A market, and that's why now's the time to do
it before he gets to be thirty one, thirty two,
he's twenty nine, finally year of his contract.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I could see Sean Payton in Denver going and getting him.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Yeah, they need a tight end.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Well, well, they actually just got the tight end from
Evan Ingram from Jacksonville, although it wouldn't be bad to
get too.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah they did yet Evan. Yeah, but tight end was
in need.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
But if Sean Payton loves tight ends, he loves tight
ends obviously, Jimmy Graham, if you got another one for.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Bowen Nicks, that would make sense. And Mark Andrews is
not washed up.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
He's getting to the point where he's not going to
become a valuable but he still has not.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
A great wide receiver draft, and they've got Courtland Sutton
but not really a trustable number two receiver. So do
they want to go heavy with tight end package?
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
So we've talked a lot about Travis Hunter and he's
an excellent player, but as we get closer to the draft,
specifically whether or not he'll be able to keep playing
both ways of the pros now. Despite Hunter's confidence, John Harbor,
Ravens head coach, not as optimistic, saying quote to say
that you're going to be completely immersed in everything that
there is to know on offense and defense.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
I don't know if there's enough hours in the day.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Colin, how confident are you and Travis Hunter's two way
abilities at the next level.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Oh. I think he's a great athlete. I think in
any draft he'd be a top ten pick. I would
just play him at receiver more than corner. But I
think he has something that people have talked about this.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Joel Clatt talked about this.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
He can play eighty snaps in a game and by
the eightieth staff he still has the same energy. That's
like when Michael Jordan used to play eighteen holes or
four playoffs in the playoffs and by the way, in
may or June, right, he would be playing outdoors eighteen
holes and then go spot forty two in a playoff game.
(32:48):
Some people and I've met, I've had a couple friends
in my life like this. They just got energy. They're
just genetically wired. They don't sleep much right, they're five
hour night sleepers. This kid's energy level, it's incredible, every snap,
end of a game, still making plays. So I think
he's going to go to a bad team, and bad
(33:09):
teams need great electric players.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
They're like a cheat code. Yeah, and so I would.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
If I'm New England, I'd play him seventy five snaps
a game, more on offense than defense, but I'd be
good with it.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
Transcendent talent. And you said yesterday there's more money to
be made at receiver.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
But if he could play twenty five or thirty percent,
or maybe just certain packages at corner, that is incredibly valuable.
And I mentioned this yesterday. I want to elaborate on it.
The fact that he knows both positions so well. Isn't
that going to be an unlocked cheap code at the
next level, Understanding what the opposition wants to do?
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Well, that's a value.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, I just I mean, I think receiver is a
hard position as a rookie because so much as timing
with a quarterback, and if your quarterback doesn't have time,
you have a bad offensive line, like New England.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
But I think corner.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Is one of those you can walk in as a
rookie running back in very instinctive positions. He could start
day one at corner and if you told me at
the end of the year he was a top four
corner in the league.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I would not be shocked.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I would be shocked if you told me he's a
top four wide receiver because so much, I mean, Brady
was taking his receivers on vacations. So much of receiver
is timing, so much of corner is just instinct. Jordan
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Fox Tomorrow I'm gonna do I don't do a lot
of mock drafts anymore. Because I think you're just basically
signing up to be wrong. And I don't mind being
wrong every Monday. I do Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. I
don't know why more people don't admit in politics, especially
why can't just people admit on MSNBC you are wrong a.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Lot, just say it.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Just don't it to be on Fox, MSNBC see and
just don't it. But mock drafts are ridiculous because what's
gonna happen is cam Ward's going number one, and then
everybody just lies like nobody. I mean, I would take
Shade Sanders. If I was Cleveland, I would take Shadeur Sanders.
I got a coach I like in Kevin Stefanski. He's
very good with pocket quarterbacks. I think Sir Sanders is
(36:54):
getting so nitpicked. I think now he's undervalued. You know,
if I was the Giants, I mean they went and
got Russell Wilson. So I'll have a draft tomorrow, top
ten or twelve on what I would draft.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I think, I think.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I do think One of the more engaging questions is
what do you do with Ashton Genty, the Boise State
running back? So my take is the kid out of
North Carolina. The second best running back reminds me of
a poor man's Adrian Peterson. He's not Adrian Peterson, but
he is big and physical and he's going to be
really hard. He was in college for corners and safeties
(37:34):
to bring down if he gets through the first line.
He is a load and has great speed. So I
tend to think you're going to get eighty five percent
of Ashton genty with the second best running back in
the class. And it's an incredibly deep class. But many
people and I don't think it's necessarily wrong or saying
he may be the third or fourth best athlete in
this class. Like if you're Dallas, I mean, Dak's been
(37:57):
good when he has a run game. I mean the
Raiders are a prime example. Geno Smith. Raiders are a
fascinating team. So Geno Smith last several years with the Seahawks.
He's really good at one thing, play action passing. When
he has a run game, and Gino can throw with
(38:19):
a substantial run game, He's actually as a passer rating
over one hundred. So the Raiders have their offensive line
set Colton Miller. They got their center last year from Oregon.
They got the right tackle from Maryland. They have Geno
at quarterback, superstar tight end receiver Jacoby Myers. They need
a number one receiver. He may not be available in
(38:39):
this draft. And you don't have to have a number
one receiver. New England was winning Super Bowls. The only
time they didn't they had Randy Moss. I don't buy
that you have to have a dominant number one receiver.
I think is the weather gets cold December, January February.
I mean Tyreek Hill disappears late in the season. It
just doesn't matter. So I mean, and to City's been
(39:00):
fine without Tyreek Hill. Okay, so, but I do think
Gino is ineffective playing in a division with Mahomes, Justin
Herbert and bow Nick, Sean Payton, Jim Harbought, Andy Reid.
Gino's not good when it's third and eight, no run game,
and he's got to throw and everybody in the ballpark
knows it. That's not good Gino. That's interception Gino. So
(39:23):
to me, the Raiders are fascinating. I could see them
getting Ashton Genty. Okay, now we got a run game,
an O line, a tight end. We'll get another number
two or three receiver. Remember last year the Raiders with
a staff, a coaching staff that was not as good
as Pete Carolyn Schip Kelly and a quarterback not nearly
(39:44):
as good as Gino Smith.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
They should have beaten the Chiefs twice.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
They were a tough out, and I Antonio Pierce good leadership.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Guys played hard.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I think Antonio Pierce was not the primary issue, and
I thought out their GM.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Tom Talasco's the front. I didn't think he was the issue.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
But there's no denying Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly is
an upgrade in coaching. Gino's a major upgrade at quarterback.
And this team was a tough out last year. So
if I we put the board up again on the draft,
the really interesting team to man. Pete Carroll's in his seventies,
the slow build, that's why he likes Gino. It didn't
(40:24):
want to have to, you know, groom some quarterback for
six years. Geno's what he knows. Gino got him to
a playoff. Geno had a Pro Bowl season a couple
of years ago. The Raiders at six, I think, and
I think this if I ran the Raiders, I don't
love taking running backs in the first round, but in
a week draft. If Hunter's gone, they don't need a
(40:46):
tight end because they got Meyer from Notre Dame two
years ago and they have Brock power. They do not
need a tight end. Otherwise I take the Penn State kit.
They don't need it. They need a running back for
Geno Smith.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
There's a big contingent within the Raiders building that would
love to draft Acid Gend. Now that doesn't mean they will,
but he's in play there. And you talk about Schip Kelly,
his relationship with Gino was equally as important.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
As Pete Carroll's.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
That played so much into Vegas making a trade and
then extending him giving an almost sixty seven million guaranteed. You
give Gino a running game, Colin, As you know, he
throws as good a ball as anyone, but he needs
a running game.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
No, His play action pass analytic numbers are fantastic. There
are two genos, you know. It's like Sam Donald, there's
two SAMs. When Sam has time to throw in a
good offensive coach, Sam Donald can be electric. When Sam
has poor protection, like the playoff game against the Ram
a lot of mistakes, there are two SAMs.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
There are two genos.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Like you got the same Brady Peyton Manning is the
great guys. You get the same Joe Burrow, good protection
or not. But most quarterbacks in this league there are
different versions depending on the run game, field position, time
to throw. I think Ashton genty to the Raiders. I
think I'd pull the trigger on that. That's the play.
(42:05):
To me, that that is the you know Pete Carroll,
Reggie Bush, and Marshawn Lynch. Pete Carroll won when he
had a run game.
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