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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We are live in Chicago. It is The Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Jmac.
I think one of the things last night that was
really interesting is that generally in the NBA finals or
the conference finals, you don't have a bench player that
takes over the arena, and TJ McConnell did last night that.
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I mean, he's just a spark plug. But one of
the reasons I love halliburg Who so much, it's not
just he's a smart player. It's not the IQ he's
securing himself. It's got an incredibly high EQ. And so
it's McConnell is going off is it's Halliburton's not. He's
not a bothered by it. He can read the arena,
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he is seeing the energy, and I think this is
a big part of Carlyle and Halliburton. This is why
Halliburton is such a unique player. Basically, in the NBA,
you got to have a bag. You know, everybody's begging
on Lebron. Lebron doesn't have a bag. He's the all
time leading scorer. He's got more than one bag. Halliburton
is totally comfortable with other players taking over a quarter.
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He wants to win. I listen to Halliburton and just
his thoughts on TJ McConnell taking over the game in
the second quarter.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
His energy is unbelievable. You guys know, he's he's definitely
a crowd favorite. I joke with him, my call him
the Great White Hope. He had a couple of unbelievable steals.
You know, just I think in the series like this,
what's so important is the margins. You know, you gotta
win in the margin.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You know, it's it's it's not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Who can make the most shots or anything's taking care
of the ball, rebounding little things like that. I thought
he does a great job of just giving us energy,
plays consistently and getting downhill and operating. I mean, nobody
operates on the baseline like that guy. You know, so
I thought you did a great job of consistently getting
there and just making hustle play after hustle play.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I thought the game last night came down to blocks
ched Holmgren blocks several times, Pacers had eleven blocks, steals,
Pacers had double assists Pacers, And that's what he's talking about.
Winning on the margins. It's not just getting yours. So
so much of the NBA culture and I get it,
and I kind of like it. It's like what's your bag?
How are your handles? There's a certain aesthetic to the league.
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It's not just you know, scoring, It's like Alex English
led the NBA in scoring in the eighties, Michael Jordan
Alex English. But you know it was like Kiki Vanduy.
You'd look up he had twenty eight points. You know
they're elbow, you know, free throw line, elbow extended. SGA's
got a little bit of that, like SGI flops. His
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game isn't Halliburton is so good in the clutch, so
good in late game threes. But I think the thing
that jumps out to me is his ability to let
others flourish and have the self awareness to read the room,
to read the building. Remember remember years ago I complained
that Carmelo Anthony was was he was threatened by Jeremy
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Lynn for two weeks, and I'm like, dude, you got
to let others flourish. Team leaders are I mean, Bradio
is new, give me a run game. I don't need
to throw forty eight times like Halliburton is just so okay.
Other players having their moment and and boydd several guys
did last night with that. Rachel Nichols is joining us
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live in studio, and you know, Rachel, it is. I
love watching Indiana play. But you know, I think we
all look at all the Celtics are coming back and
Oklahoma City's future, and watch Wemby if they resign Miles Turner.
They have a lot of ascending players. I think people
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are forgetting this team got to the Eastern Conference finals
last year and was bad defensively. I mean, well, my
take is, I think Indiana's talent Rachel doesn't take a
back seat one through eight to anybody right now in this.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
League, certainly not in the Eastern Conference, right I mean,
especially with Tatum ount All next year, they have to
be the favorite going into next season, no matter how
this finals plays out because look at what they have
done to your point, and they're going to have more
confidence going into next season again, even if they lose
the finals, they will now have a team full of
players who have been to the NBA Finals, who are
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hungry to get back to the NBA Finals, and who
have the wherewithal to know that they can finish games
even when they're behind. And that's really the strength of
this Pacers team. They play for all forty eight minutes.
There have been team after team after team that keeps
falling into this trap. And I don't understand it, but
we see teams let up on them and sometimes it's aggestion.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
The thunder looked tired last night, Colin.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
And it's going to be interesting with only a day
off between games to see how they come out on Friday.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You know, it's you know, we're going through an era. Look,
I grew up in the nineteen seventies, which I reference
all the time. Much of the chagrin of Jmac is
that I grew up with a Walton, Jeff Peatree, Maurice
Lucas Blazers, and then the downtown Freddie Brown, DJ Gus
Williams Sonics, and then the Rick Berry, Clifford ray Al
Adele Warriors and Doctor J and the Sixer. Everybody won one.
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Everybody won one, and people say what the league was?
My great memories of the NBA as a kid are
all from the seventies and we're going through the same
thing where every year it's a different team in the NBA.
And last night was a real moment for me because
I looked at myself and I thought, man, is this
team gonna run off multiple titles? And they do have
a little bit of a kryptonite. They need the whistle
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and when SGA doesn't get the whistle, Rachel used saw
it last night. Their shot creation the last six minutes
was bad. So I feel like I feel like you
can kind of look and go everybody's got like Jokic
wasn't a great defender. That was their kryptonite, Like you
could attack Jokich. Do you think do you think Indiana
looks this morning at ok Sean thinks we found a
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little bit of their kryptonite, which is attack SGA. If
he doesn't get the whistle, they're four and four and
eight playoff games when he doesn't.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, I mean, to your point, this is a nerdy stat,
but sha Joss Alexander was actually the closest defender on
the most amount of Indiana shots, I think twenty three shots.
So that tells you that they were involving him, they
were going at him, and what happened the result was
that they were scoring.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
So yes, I think that is a little bit of it.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
The big picture, I guess my thought is that we
are so quick in sports today to rush to be
like they're amazing or they're trash, and in this case
it was the Thunder or one of the best teams ever.
The Thunder were one of the best teams this season.
They're one of the best teams of the last few years.
The point differential, the way they won games was historic.
But this team is not the eighty six Celtics. This
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team is not the two thousand and one Lakers. This
is not Steph Curry's Golden State Warriors in their prime.
It is a team that is young, that, as you say,
has some flaws here and there, and we'll still have
to see with SGA. I mean, look, if he wins
this finals and wins finals MVP, he will already have
the accolades to get into the Hall of fame just
off this one year scoring title, regular, MVP Finals, MVP
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if he gets it titled that.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Kind of thing. But he's not there yet.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
They haven't won yet, so we just have to see
how good this Thunder team is. And what I love
is that the Pacers are showing people they are better
than people thought. The gap is smaller than people thought,
and they are going to test the Thunder.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, okay, let's talk Nick. Well, I'm going to leave
the dance floor open here. James Dolan was gone for
a couple of years, you know, creating the sphere, and
they became very pragmatic and are very patient. I mean
they were like not the Knicks. And this is not
a shot at Dolan, but he fashions himself as an
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artist and a friend to artists. And all the names
I see as the next coach are all star coaches
like Phil Jackson as GM. I'm telling you, it feels
like there's a they're kind of baling water here or
do they have a plan.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Well, they clearly don't have a plan.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I mean that's obvious, and you can quibble about the
tip of thaugh thing. I would never have fired him
after he led the Knicks to their best season in
twenty five years. After all he has done in the
five years he has been there has won. And by
the way, I've covered TIBs on three different teams, I've
known him for twenty years. I understand that the Tibbs
experience wears on people. I'm not saying that he was
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a perfect coach for there weren't problems, but this is
a results based business and he got the results. And
some of the complaints I've heard coming sort of in
the reporting from players has been like, oh, we didn't
have enough scrimmages in the preseason.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
What that's what you're talking about now?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Complaints about oh, we didn't practice end of game situations enough.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
I don't know. You want enough end of game.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Situations that you got to game six to the Eastern
Conference Finals. And by the way, the longer the Pacers
extend this finals, they don't have to win it.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
The longer they extend it the more.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Losing to the Pacers in six games feels like, ah,
is that really a firerable offense? So I had a
problem with the decision to begin with, and to do
this and not know who your next coach is.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
It is just a little bit insane.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
And then to really ask around to six different teams
if their coaches are available is a lot insane. And
the line out of Madison Square Garden is they're just
trying to assess who is and isn't available. That is
not how you do this. And by the way, who
thought Emi Udoka would be available? Who thought that Chris Finch,
who just left led Minnesota to two back to back
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conference finals and has a great relationship with his star
would be available. I mean, I just my third teen
year old could have told you that.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
I just it shocks me the way they're going about this.
It really does.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So I want to talk about Yannis. Kd fits almost everywhere.
I think San Antonio is a bit of a weird
fit for him, but he fits in Houston, he fits
in Miami, he fits in New York. Yannis. To get Yannis,
you have to give up draft capital. And I think
I've told you this, Rachel. I think that NBA draft
is going to get better going forward because more players
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are staying in college basketball with nil and they're also
stealing top European players from Spanish leagues. So college basketball
that Kentuck, that Yukon team two years ago. That's like
seven NBA guys. Like we're going back to a time
when Ewing and Georgetown and Duke It was like those
teams had NBA guys that could play. So I don't
think giving up draft picks which ten years ago, I
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mean you were getting eighteen year olds, right, I wouldn't
give up draft picks. How big do you think the
y Honest market is. We know KD you don't have
to give up as much. But you're changing the ECO
system with the Yannis. I saw a story yesterday. No,
he won't leave. This roster is not good enough to compete.
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I mean outside of Yannis, who on this roster could
play for Indiana? So what is your gut feeling on
Yiannis and Milwaukee.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Well, look, I.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Think there is a good chance that he stays, and
I think it is about more than winning. I mean,
guys who've been around the league for a long time
understand that to win a title, you have to have
not only the roster, not only the players, not only
in the chemistry. You have to have a tremendous amount
of luck. The wrong guy can't get injured at the
wrong time. Jannis himself has been on the other end
of that three years in a row. Now who you
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run up against in the bracket so changing and uprooting
your whole life to be like, oh, maybe with this
team I could get a title. There are players who
will do that every time, and then there are players
who think twice about that sort of thing. And I
think that is what Yannis is doing right now. If
he does decide to leave, If you know what, I
need a second ring, I'm gonna chase it. I'm gonna
see where I can go. If you are a team
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that is close. I disagree with you, Colin. I would
give up the farm for Janis and to Takupo. I
would give up anything that they want that would still
keep me with enough of a championship corps, because the
future is the future if you win a title, maybe.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Even two titles, because you added.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Janison to Takupo to an already stacked roster. Which are
the Those are the teams that are really most in
the market for him, right where they really feel like
they have something already and they're one Yanis away from
a title. He is not only one of the best
players in the league. If his numbers had been in
a vacuum this year, he would have won MVP. If
you get an SGA didn't exist and weren't dueling the
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way they were, Jannis absolutely would have won MVP. He's
only thirty years old. He's still at the top of
his game. He's so dominant. I would absolutely tear things up,
certainly my future picks.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
If I could get.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Yanis and I was a team that was close ish
to a championship, close ish, I.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Would I do it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
By the way, before we go, Malone from Denver, I
know he runs hot. I know he runs hot, but
he's considered a very good scheme coach, Like he knows
his stuff. Is he in the running? Like why isn't
he being mentioned?
Speaker 5 (13:12):
I think just because he and Timms are so alike.
And I think some of the reasons Tom did get
fired from Newark is being a bit set in his
ways of being a bit obstinate about things. Michael Malone
is known for both of those things, you know. The
latest reporting is that they are now now that they've
moved on from asking other guys for their wives, basically
asking other teams for their head coaches, they are now
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talking to Mike Brown, they're looking at Taylor Jenkins. Those
names are the names I would have expected them to start.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
With, and you know, they could be good fits there.
We'll see.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I mean, they're both excellent coaches. But I still, you know,
they've set such a bar with firing Tom after Game
six the Eastern Conference Finals. Whoever comes into that job
if they don't want a title. The Knicks have already
told all of us that that's a failure. And that's
quite a strange thing to do as a franchise.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, I whenever I hear you know that coach runs hot,
Steve Kerr runs hot.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean boards, yes, yeah, like these guys
all run hot.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I'm it's it's an intense league. Rate's great, senior as always,
thank you, all right, Yeah, I think Malone's pretty good.
I thought he got kind of a raw deal in Denver,
so he wanted to play Westbrook and the GM wanted
to play the draft picks. But if you watch the playoffs,
Westbrook was incredibly important for Denver's energy. So Malone is like,
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I want to play Russell Westbrook. More well, you watched
Westbrook in the playoffs. I've been a Westbrook critic. I
thought he was great. I think he was unbelievable for Denver,
so I side with Malone. I would hire him the hole.
He runs hot. Steve Kerr is a barker like like
I mean, Steve Kerr is intense. Spolstra is super intense.
He and Lebron had multiple engagements that weren't pleasant. Part
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Riley was intense. I don't worry about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
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Speaker 1 (15:12):
On Jmak, A lot of things going on. I want
you to keep your eye over the next couple of weeks.
J Mac on that Shador Sanders story, because you know
I'm busy. I'm not sure if I can get to it.
But the numbers coming out of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
So you want me to monitor what she does against
the backup, and I can't hear you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I can do Go ahead, Jenny.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I can monitor the reps against number two's for the
FedEx drivers.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Sure, I can watch those numbers. Jmak with the news, No,
no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
This is the Herd Line.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
News We're gonna start here with an established quality quarterback
and his name is Brock perty Uh. He has a
lot of pressure on him this season. You know, you
get the bag and all of a sudden you got
to deliver. Bertie is now the highest paid Niner and
Trent Williams is ecstatic.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
For his quarterback.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
It's super super fulfilling just to watch a guy like
Rock And I mean, you talk about a cinder of
the story. I think this is the epitome of that.
You know, a guy from going making you know, a
few hundred thousand a year to making fifty million years.
It's astronomical and it couldn't have happened to a better guy.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
He is a guy for this team. He is a
guy for this franchise. He will I mean, this is
just a tip of iceberg. He's going to get another contract.
He's gonna win a lot of football games. He's that
good of a player.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
We could talk about the American dream, Cowherd, the American
sports dream is what happened to Rock Berty right last
pick in the draft. Mister irrelevant literally called mister irrelevant,
and the next thing you know, he's got the Niners
in the a NFC title game and then the Super
Bowl and he goes from making like I think it's
seven hundred thousand, fifty three million dollars Like that is
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the America and Sports dream.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well, Kurt Warner wasn't drafted, either was Romo. The key is,
oh one never got to the Super Bowl. Let's but
let's not pretend you can duplicate this. Sometimes stuff is
lightning in a bottle or it's a one off. You're
not gonna find Kurt Warner, who's a top twenty quarterback
I've ever seen play like Kurt Warner was. I don't
care what the numbers are. He's a great quarterback, is it.
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Sometimes you're not gonna find jokicch in the second round.
Don't get used to that. We're never gonna find in
the history of the NBA, will never have the best
player taken from the second round. That will never happen again.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Probably not, But you know, the jo Kich was found
in like the mountains of wherever he's from. Jannis was
also found in you know, b F the grease. Like
you're finding these guys, you got to scale the globe.
I mean NFL teams maybe they gotta look harder to
find the.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Next Kurt Warner.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
He's out there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Well. I think what what NFL scouts do, almost to
a fault, is they fall in love with rates. So
if you're not six', two if you're not too, eighteen
if you don't have a big, arm you get knocked off.
Boards AND i, think NOW i do think that stuff.
Matters there's a. REASON i, mean people can say THE
nfl doesn't know what they're doing with. Quarterbacks, yeah they.
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Do marino first, Round peyton first, Round manning first. DOWN i,
mean just go through all these. Guys lamar first, Round
allen first, Out mahomes first, round the great quarterbacks of all, time.
Overwhelmingly it's just That montana And brady did not And
Kurt warner was. Undrafted but there's a reason players. DROP i,
Mean Jalen hurts is, great but he's still not a
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great pocket. Passer if you talk To greg, Sorry Greg,
Cray Greg, Cosell Greg cosell wins on our. Show Greg
cosell has been telling me for two years and he
said it About Russell wilson at the. Time because of his,
height he misses throws, too. ACKNOWLEDGES i can't see everything
the big guys, can so you can win all the
games you. Want but When Greg cosell says like he misses,
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throws so there's a there are traits THAT nfl guys
look for And brock doesn't have a lot of. Them in,
fact you said, yesterday, well his his brain's the. Key
hard to see the, brain like like At Iowa. State you're, like,
YEAH i, MEAN i, guess but is it coaching or
is it SO i, MEAN i think there's a reason he.
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Dropped THERE'S i, mean there's a Reason Tom brady.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Dropped you could say he dropped or team's whiffed on,
him including The niners in the. Draft but to go,
back just to be, clear the numbers FOR, Pffa Jalen
hurts is one of the best pocket passes in the
league seventy seven. Percent he's, Awesome BUT i know he
doesn't have the. Hype so maybe that's the. Issue and
there's so many first round quarterback. WHIFFS i, mean obviously
there's a lot of hits in the first.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
But there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Whiffs maybe it's because people, see oh he's six or four.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
With the cannon. Arm we got.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
It we, gotta we gotta.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Bring this guy. ON i, MEAN i don't have The Janis.
Winston that's a massive. Whiff, well but that means you
have to take a quarterback if you need. It like
next Year, cleveland If Shador sanders doesn't, HIT i think
he will. THERE i, mean Like tennessee this, year had
to take a. Quarterback the coaching staff's going into the
year two off a losing, season And Will levis.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Is in the.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Answer so you do get. Trapped it's the one position
THAT i think we should allow for. Overdrafting never overdraft
a wide, receiver there's a million in THE. Nfl don't
overdraft for interior offensive lineman or off ball, linebackers, safeties
don't overdraft for that. Stuff but a great, CENTER i
would get him in the first. ROUND a great tight
End Rock bowers draft him in the first. Round BUT
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i do think quarterback is if you need it.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Drafted, okay so let's do The saints real. QUICK i
know nobody cares about The. Saints we never talked about
him on the. Show they drafted the Kid tyler's shock
and everybody's, like.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Doing because he looks the, part six foot, seven big.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Arm, meanwhile he's like twenty, six twenty seven years. Old
shador was sitting out, there he would have sold. Tickets
shador would have sold tickets In New. Orleans aint nobody's
shown up to See tyler's. SHOCK i don't understand that right. There,
WELL i think what people say THE nfl doesn't get
quarterbacks in the.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
First round and. EARLY i think That Tyler schuck is
kind of one of the. Examples, WELL i, think don't
The saints Have Spencer? Rattler AND i THINK i think
if you go back and look at both of them
out of, COLLEGE i Think rattler had a higher ceiling Than.
Shocked so to, ME i didn't get What New orleans is.
DOING i don't Trust New orleans And Sean payton And
Drew brees. LEFT i just don't like the direction of
the franchise and they're. Hires But i'll push back that
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THE nfl doesn't know what they're. Doing i'm sure THERE'S i,
mean you go look at THE nba. Draft Did Steph
curry go number? One there's a lot where Did halliburton, Go,
like there's a lot of dudes in THE. Nba the
best defensive player of all, Time Draymond green went in
the second. Round the best player in the world went
in the second. ROUND i Think Tony parker went late
first or second round man Ud. Genobli so it's inexact
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when you're drafting young. People it's just in exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Baseball Mike, piazza wasn't he like a sixty second round
pick or something? Crazy?
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Like there's this examples of it in every.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
QUART i.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Agree let's go to The New York.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Giants in their quarterback room Features Russell, Wilson Jackson, Dark Jameis,
winston But colin there seemed to be some. Issues according
to The New York Daily, news The giants offensive operation
With Russell wilson at the helm has not been smoothed,
consistently productive or. EXPLOSIVE i have been saying from the
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Moment Jackson dart got to the, podium he won over the.
Media i'm just telling, you he looks the, part he sounds.
It he's like asking guys their, name the little, things
and Then Jackson, dart is there a world where he
takes his job From russ like early In, SEPTEMBER i
would not be Shocked.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Russell wilson another, guy by the, way As Brian dable
will find out that doesn't oways see open receivers because
of a height. ISSUE i know we love the short quarterback,
thing but it does matter the average old lineman sixty
six to six. Seven SO i THINK i never Saw
Jackson dart as a first round. Quarterback BUT i will say,
this we look At New york as a tire, fire
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But Brian dable as a coach is a pretty good
opening coach in THE, nfl like we looked At washington
as a Mass remember last year With, washington we were
like new, owner NEW, gm new, coach new, coordinators but
all the new guys were. GOOD i think brought you
can do a lot worse Than Brian dable as your
first coach in THE. Nfl so IF i think we're
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going to see the best Of jackson dark whether he's good,
ENOUGH i don't. KNOW i thought he was more of
a second third round, pick but we'll get the best of.
Him AND i Think Russell, WILSON i Mean pittsburgh last,
year at the last five, games he was just. Ineffective
so AND i think you, Know Pete carroll moved off
Him Sean payton moved off, Him Mike tomlin moved off.
Him we have, it we have. It Mike tomlinoha says
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two is a. Trend, Well russell's on a three a
three team, trend which is high profile. Coaches, Pete, peyton
And tomlin have all moved OFF. Russ so that tells
Me Jackson dart's gonna get.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Looks SO i just went to THE nfl draft combine.
Measurements Jackson dart six two twenty, THREE jj mc art
the six two and a half two nineteen so almost,
identical hand size similar and rock perdyes six.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
't one to.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Twelve so all those guys are kind of in the
same space size.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Wise colin.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And you, know to go back To, Russell wilsons and
stats on the screen, here he's not been very good
in the last three. Years uh you know he's down.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
THERE i mean just, JUST i, mean, seriously three Straight
hall Of fame level coaches have moved Off. Russell's THAT'S i,
Mean pete couldn't get him out of town fast, enough
And Sean payton and he just did not last we're
not compatible compatible And. Tomlin according to a story last,
WEEK J mack The steelers wanted to resign Justin.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Fields they didn't want.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Us, yeah they Wanted. Fields SO i Mean, tomlin even
though he benched him by the end of the, year
wanted to work with. Him SO i think the trend
Is Russell wilson will not start seventeen.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Games, yeah a great final, story Collms Bill. Belichick you,
know things have died down with The Georgie Jordan hudson matter. Lately,
however Yesterday belichick conducted a rare press conference and address
the Issues i'm just gonna call them issues that have
emerged outside of the product on the football.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Field here we.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Go is there noise out? There that's we've always dealt with. That,
really you, know our job is to is to build
a football team and for the team to you, know
help build the team and also build their individual. Careers,
no she doesn't have any role in THE unc football.
Program but again there's, been you, know a noise out
there about a lot of different. Things, again our focus,
(25:36):
is you, know day to, day getting, better stocking good days.
TOGETHER i like to.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Be, addresses you know HOW i feel about this. Relationship
some people can't spot true, love others. Can't, oh come So.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
COLIN i know YOU'RE i don't want that's probably making
it a two PERSONAL i was gonna, say your daughter comes,
home she's.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
LIKE i met a seventy year old.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
GUY i want to.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Day, yeah, yeah let's see how you take that. WELD i,
KNOW i, mean my daughter's way younger than that middle,
school but that would be a little like where HAVE
i failed as a?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Parent like how does that? Happen? Man you know you
gotta admit something's a little.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Off twenty four or whatever and seventy a fifty year age.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Gap, Well I'm i'm not a moralist on this. Stuff
i'm not judgment you have to be a. Moralist it's
just common.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Sense what do they have in?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Common give me one.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Thing there they have in? Common they're both aspirational driven.
People well what's wrong with?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
THAT i love.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
It you, KNOW i did not know you would be
so good on this. Topic when it came, OUT i was, like,
ooh this is a no fly. Zone, jmax stay. Away
i'm going to say SOMETHING i, regret And coward's just
diving in LIKE i, MEAN i, Mean michael.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Felt just because SOMETHING i wouldn't do. SOMETHING i don't
invest in. BITCOIN i think there's grifters everywhere out BUT i,
know BUT i know smart people that you know are
given and they're not putting their portfolio on. IT i
think it's grifter paired. Ice it's unregulated currency like stay.
Away there's a lot of people that think it's. Great
(27:07):
so that doesn't MEAN i am not comfortable at this point,
putting you, know my equity portfolio. There But i'm not.
Anti it obviously has made people aut of, money so on.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
The five you can put five five percent of your.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
LIFE i don't have a problem with. It i'm just
saying my take is just because somebody does something that
makes me a little squeamish or not SOMETHING i would
do that. Doesn't that Doesn't i'm not going to jump
out of a plane my son.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
Did, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I'm not doing. That BUT i had a friend who.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Did have you talked With anne at all About belichick
dating this young?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Woman, well she doesn't like.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
It.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
INTERESTING i Found anne very sharp and, smart very wise.
Individual every Time i've talked with, her.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
You are to except when you Talk jalen, Hers, no she.
Does she doesn't like, it and it's you, KNOW i
try to avoid topics that get her riled. Up she's
an artist and she's, emotional AND i don't need to
rile her up so she gets she's. Unhappy let's rap it.
Up we don't. Talk we don't talk about a. Policy
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jmack with the. News well that's the, news and thanks
for stopping by the. Line NIC i, Uh Eric mangini's
around the. CORNER i it's interesting to me, that you
know how when people were, saying you, know and this
was on the liberals kept, saying follow the, science follow the.
(28:32):
SCIENCE a lot Of democrats were preaching The republicans follow the,
science follow the, science and then they didn't follow the,
science right like you, know, see be careful what you.
Lecture but everybody's always telling, me this is your. Opinion
you have a. Bias you have an Anti Schador sanders
bias if you don't think he's the best quarterback in
camp For. Cleveland look at the. Numbers you're telling me
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to follow the data to not be. Biased the numbers
dictate that Clearly shaduur is the most accurate by a
long shot In cleveland. Camp i'm following your. ORDERS i
have no, bias you, know IT'S i, MEAN i Criticized
dion for His Super bowl proclamations that he didn't want
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to go to certain. Teams AND i didn't Like Draft
day War room By. SHADOUR i thought it was. Cringey these.
Numbers sorry for the radio, audio please numbers thirty, four forty,
Four Dylan gabriel's thirty eight to Seventy Eric mangini and
Now i'll talk about that.
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Podcasts Jet's Cleveland browns now he works For Fox. Sports
FORMER nfl head Coach Eric mangini is joining me live
and we got stuff to talk about. Here so you
still have a place In. Ohio you know The, browns
you know the. Personnel, Well i'm a big fan Of
Kevin stefanski And Andrew. BERRY i don't always love the
pulse of nature or the, ownership BUT i THINK i
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think they accumulated a second first round, pick so they're
gonna go out for a quarterback next, year and my
take IS i think they got one In Shador. Sanders
so if you, KNOW i know It's OTA's AND i
know it's mandatory, camp AND i can't take a ton from.
It but when you look At chador's, numbers he's duplicating
what he did at. College whenever a college, quarterback like
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When Tim tebow ran around in, college you're, like what
an athlete he got to THE nfl and you're, like,
yeah he's not AN nfl. Athlete same With Johnny. Manziel
Jayden daniels ran in, college you watch him in THE
nfl and you're, like, oh that. Translates chador's accuracy seventy
four percent in, college he's now at seventy seven percent in.
Camp and you could, say, well it's just. Camp well
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why are the other quarterbacks in fifty eight? Percent for The?
Browns it means, something does it?
Speaker 12 (31:52):
Not, yeah it means a little, Something BUT i WOULDN'T
i wouldn't read too much into. IT i feel like
like you might be A browns beat, Writer, colin because
this this hype train In cleveland is so ridiculous right,
now AND i get.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
It there is a desperation.
Speaker 12 (32:11):
Coming off With Deshaun, watson for some quarterback to, emerge
for some hope to be there for the, franchise and
they Thought shudor could could potentially be a you, know
a high pick form and then.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
They get him in the fifth.
Speaker 12 (32:25):
Round so it's just it exploded In cleveland the second
that he got, here and What Kevin stefanski's trying to
do is he's trying to tamper it. Down he's trying
to push it. Down and you see all of his
reps have been with the back end. Guys he hasn't
gotten any reps with the. Ones to me that that's
a good decision because as soon as he gets in
with the, ones then the hype train's going to roll even.
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Further i'd say the numbers have to be taken with
a gigantic grain of. Salt there's a lot of learning
going on for, him and to see the numbers that's,
positive but he's also working versus the back into the,
roster so his numbers should be a little bit higher
just based on that as. Well the other issue With
shudor it's not, accuracy it's how well he can deal with.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Pressure in the.
Speaker 12 (33:12):
Pocket the constant need to extend, plays the unnecessary sacks he,
took and you're looking at an offensive line and a
team In cleveland had one of the worst percentages of
sacks given up last season of. Anybody SO i just,
say you can get, excited but don't be too.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
Excited all.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Right that's HOW i feel About pittsburgh And Aaron. Rodgers
he is now a pocket. Quarterback Arthur smith can be pretty.
Inflexible they lost their left, Tackle Nause, harris and their top.
RECEIVER i don't have high hopes for. IT i, said eight,
wins twenty three, touchdowns eleven. PICKS i think that's Being
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and YESTERDAY i went out AND i looked at. THIS
i took the nine older quarterbacks past their win to new. Teams, Brady,
manning And stafford Won Super. Bowls they all won That
Super bowl with an offensive. Coach Philip, rivers by the,
way With Frank reich had a terrific one year In.
Indianapolis if you remember, that he was like a ninety
(34:15):
seven passer, rating eleven. Wins went toe to toe With
Josh allen In buffalo in the playoff. Game the guys
that don't, work the older, quarterbacks defensive, coach defensive, culture inexperienced, coach,
because in my, Takeaway eric is as a quarterback gets,
older he doesn't want to get. Hit he's got to
have the right left. Tackle you can't just bulldoze through
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problems with your athletic. Ability AND i Think aaron's at
a point now you don't want to get. Hit they
don't have a strong left. TACK i don't think it's
going to be a dynamic year for. Him thoughts from.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
You, yeah it may not be a dynamic. Year but
can we give The steelers?
Speaker 12 (34:54):
Credit they Had Justin, Field Russell, wilson and Now Aaron
rodger for two years and it cost him only twenty million.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Dollars that's.
Speaker 12 (35:04):
Unbelievable and when you look at what happened last season
With justin And, russell they weren't, great but they were
a lot better than their last. Stop they were a
lot better Than justin was a lot better than when
he was In, chicago And russell was a lot better
than when he was In. Denver so you would think
That aaron's going to come in and be better than
he was In New.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
York and his numbers weren't. Terrible In New.
Speaker 12 (35:27):
York would he have twenty seven time sounds and eleven?
Picks the picks were a little bit, High but you've
got a. Chance he gives you a, chance and that's
really what this is. About there weren't great alternatives For
pittsburgh in the. Draft there weren't great alternatives For pittsburgh
in free. Agency so this is somewhat of a marriage
of necessity and convenience that's. Inexpensive and here's What i'll
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say about about the offense and dealing with an older.
QUARTERBACK i Had Brett favre In New, york and if
you're gonna make those guys, work.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
You better do what they do.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
Well so For Arthur, smith you can be, inflexible but
you're going to be inflexible to the detriment of your.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
Offense Give aaron whatever he needs to be.
Speaker 12 (36:10):
Successful understand you may not love, it it may not
be what's your. Ideal but if you're going to bring
in a forty one year old, quarterback do what he does,
well and do a lot of, it and you can
readjust next. Season but that gives you the best chance
to make this work right.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Now SO i like mystery with my true crime. SERIES
i like mystery on. MOVIES i do not love mystery with.
QUARTERBACKS i didn't like WHEN i didn't get footage Of
Jordan love for three. Years and everybody's telling, me, oh
the practices At minnesota WITH jj. McCarthy and my take,
(36:48):
is they flirted With darnold reportedly wanted to resign. It
they flirted With Daniel. Jones there's some that say they
looked At Aaron. RODGERS i feel like there's a lot
of as a lot of. Flirting flirting leads the trouble
in all aspects of. Life what do you expect FROM jj.
McCarthy i got one preseason, Game vanilla defense's backups, hurt two.
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Surgeries what are you?
Speaker 12 (37:13):
Expecting, Yeah i'm a little bit like, You. Colin it's
the Old May west. Phrase if you've got to tell
people you're a, lady then you're. Not if you've got
to constantly tell everybody how great your quarterback, is how,
wonderfully you start to worry that they're doing it to
pump him, up to give him. Confidence AND i didn't
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love him coming out in the, draft and now we're
a year, removed he's coming off of an.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
Injury he has no.
Speaker 12 (37:42):
Experience the good news is at least he's over a
lot of the rookie. Things he's got the.
Speaker 8 (37:47):
Background of the.
Speaker 12 (37:47):
Offense he's been through a lot of the things that
rookies go through that make it really. Challenging but he
hasn't been through the most important, thing which is multiple
defensive looks and all the things happening in real, time
and now he's doing it coming off him an.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
INJURY i know they went and Got Sam howell as a.
Speaker 12 (38:04):
BACKUP i could see this being in a landing spot
For Kirk cousins at some point as an insurance policy
if this doesn't, work Because ATLANTA i think is going
to have to wants to move off from, him and
he wants to move, on and he has a good
relationship with that staff and that. City so, yeah they
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want to make this. Work they've invested a lot in.
HIM i don't know if they have a real conviction
with it or if they're just trying to build up everybody's.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Confidence, okay, Finally Caleb. Williams Ben johnson's been. Outspoken ben
said a couple of different, times we're not there. Yet
he's been tough on him at. Practice my take AT,
Usc Lincoln riley didn't trust the old Line caleb's last
year IN, usc and he Let caleb do a lot
more ad libbing and running because he kind of felt
(38:58):
guilty That i'm not he's going to be a number one.
Pick i'm not going to get this kid hurt and
ruin HIS nfl. Prospects so the last year AT, usc
it was a lot of hero. BALL i Think caleb
got into some bad. Habits eber Flu staff didn't know
how to corral. HIM i think he's got bad, habits
but great. Talent what do you, Expect Ben. Johnson some
of the comments Are ben's, like, hey we're not, There
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we're doing this, Wrong AND i understand. It his last
year AT usc was a little ad, libbed AND i
think you get into bad habits that.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
Way, yeah you're absolutely.
Speaker 12 (39:31):
Right what you saw With caleb was a lot of
the same things that you saw With shador where he's running,
around he's extending. Plays but With, caleb you saw these
wild plays time and time again when he was doing,
that which excites, you and you saw the overwhelming. Talent
so then he gets into pro, football he's drafted where
he's drafted there's so much hype around. Him he doesn't
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do anything to tamper down the. Hype, he if, anything
continues to build the. Expectations so now we're a year.
Removed Jayden daniels ends up being the star of last,
year And i'm sure this For. Caleb now there's probably
a level of openness to coaching that maybe wasn't there
when he first got into pro, football that maybe wasn't
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there when he was AT usc where he's, Thinking, OKAY
i know what's. Best so now he's got an offensive
coordinator and a head coach that can really help him
take the next, step provided he's willing to listen very,
carefully to do the things that they're asking him to,
do to be patient with the things that they're asking
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him to. Do AND i think he should have as
good a situation as you can have with the change
in coaching, staff as long as he's.
Speaker 8 (40:47):
Open to holding up his end of the.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Bargain, Yeah Eric mangini and disclosed. LOCATION i can assure
you though it's nice and semi. Trump great to see, You,
Colin great to see, you by the, Way. JAMCK i
want to go back to, this remember The Saquon barkley
leads THE nfl and licensed MERCHAND i. Sold Micah parsons is.
Ninth no Other cowboy in the top. Fifteen AND i
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think a lot of this is are you winning football
games In january And. FEBRUARY i think the more games you,
win Like Saquon barkley And Patrick mahomes And Jalen hurds
And Jayden daniels And Josh allen and The Detroit, LIONS
i do think it. Matters Travis kelsey's up. There do
you know in the last ten Years January february football
(41:33):
games where The Dallas cowboys are in THE nfl winning
Percentage january And february football games last ten, years last
ten years two in eight third worst than the. League
The cowboys have the worst record nine in twenty three
in THE nfl In january And february since their Last
(41:54):
Super bowl win ninety. Six oh, goodness, now thing about
that thirty worst record in the. League that's worse than
everybody in THE Nfc south and THE Afc. South. Great
they have the worst record in the league nine in
twenty three In january And february since their Last Super
bowl win in ninety, six AND i think if you
look at that, list it's a lot of guys that.
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I think one of the things last night that was
really interesting is that generally in the NBA finals or
the conference finals, you don't have a bench player that
takes over the arena, and TJ McConnell did last night that.
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I mean, he's just a spark plug. But one of
the reasons I love halliburg Who so much, it's not
just he's a smart player. It's not the IQ he's
securing himself. It's got an incredibly high EQ. And so
it's McConnell is going off is it's Halliburton's not. He's
not a bothered by it. He can read the arena,
(01:13):
he is seeing the energy, and I think this is
a big part of Carlyle and Halliburton. This is why
Halliburton is such a unique player. Basically, in the NBA,
you got to have a bag. You know, everybody's begging
on Lebron. Lebron doesn't have a bag. He's the all
time leading scorer. He's got more than one bag. Halliburton
is totally comfortable with other players taking over a quarter.
(01:37):
He wants to win. I listen to Halliburton and just
his thoughts on TJ McConnell taking over the game in
the second quarter.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
His energy is unbelievable. You guys know, he's he's definitely
a crowd favorite. I joke with him, my call him
the Great White Hope. He had a couple of unbelievable steals.
You know, just I think in the series like this,
what's so important is the margins. You know, you gotta
win in the margin.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You know, it's it's it's not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Who can make the most shots or anything's taking care
of the ball, rebounding little things like that. I thought
he does a great job of just giving us energy,
plays consistently and getting downhill and operating. I mean, nobody
operates on the baseline like that guy. You know, so
I thought you did a great job of consistently getting
there and just making hustle play after hustle play.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I thought the game last night came down to blocks
ched Holmgren blocks several times, Pacers had eleven blocks, steals,
Pacers had double assists Pacers, And that's what he's talking about.
Winning on the margins. It's not just getting yours. So
so much of the NBA culture and I get it,
and I kind of like it. It's like what's your bag?
How are your handles? There's a certain aesthetic to the league.
(02:44):
It's not just you know, scoring, It's like Alex English
led the NBA in scoring in the eighties, Michael Jordan
Alex English. But you know it was like Kiki Vanduy.
You'd look up he had twenty eight points. You know
they're elbow, you know, free throw line, elbow extended. SGA's
got a little bit of that, like SGI flops. His
(03:05):
game isn't Halliburton is so good in the clutch, so
good in late game threes. But I think the thing
that jumps out to me is his ability to let
others flourish and have the self awareness to read the room,
to read the building. Remember remember years ago I complained
that Carmelo Anthony was was he was threatened by Jeremy
(03:27):
Lynn for two weeks, and I'm like, dude, you got
to let others flourish. Team leaders are I mean, Bradio
is new, give me a run game. I don't need
to throw forty eight times like Halliburton is just so okay.
Other players having their moment and and boydd several guys
did last night with that. Rachel Nichols is joining us
(03:50):
live in studio, and you know, Rachel, it is. I
love watching Indiana play. But you know, I think we
all look at all the Celtics are coming back and
Oklahoma City's future, and watch Wemby if they resign Miles Turner.
They have a lot of ascending players. I think people
(04:12):
are forgetting this team got to the Eastern Conference finals
last year and was bad defensively. I mean, well, my
take is, I think Indiana's talent Rachel doesn't take a
back seat one through eight to anybody right now in this.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
League, certainly not in the Eastern Conference, right I mean,
especially with Tatum ount All next year, they have to
be the favorite going into next season, no matter how
this finals plays out because look at what they have
done to your point, and they're going to have more
confidence going into next season again, even if they lose
the finals, they will now have a team full of
players who have been to the NBA Finals, who are
(04:47):
hungry to get back to the NBA Finals, and who
have the wherewithal to know that they can finish games
even when they're behind. And that's really the strength of
this Pacers team. They play for all forty eight minutes.
There have been team after team after team that keeps
falling into this trap. And I don't understand it, but
we see teams let up on them and sometimes it's aggestion.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
The thunder looked tired last night, Colin.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
And it's going to be interesting with only a day
off between games to see how they come out on Friday.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You know, it's you know, we're going through an era. Look,
I grew up in the nineteen seventies, which I reference
all the time. Much of the chagrin of Jmac is
that I grew up with a Walton, Jeff Peatree, Maurice
Lucas Blazers, and then the downtown Freddie Brown, DJ Gus
Williams Sonics, and then the Rick Berry, Clifford ray Al
Adele Warriors and Doctor J and the Sixer. Everybody won one.
(05:35):
Everybody won one, and people say what the league was?
My great memories of the NBA as a kid are
all from the seventies and we're going through the same
thing where every year it's a different team in the NBA.
And last night was a real moment for me because
I looked at myself and I thought, man, is this
team gonna run off multiple titles? And they do have
a little bit of a kryptonite. They need the whistle
(05:57):
and when SGA doesn't get the whistle, Rachel used saw
it last night. Their shot creation the last six minutes
was bad. So I feel like I feel like you
can kind of look and go everybody's got like Jokic
wasn't a great defender. That was their kryptonite, Like you
could attack Jokich. Do you think do you think Indiana
looks this morning at ok Sean thinks we found a
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little bit of their kryptonite, which is attack SGA. If
he doesn't get the whistle, they're four and four and
eight playoff games when he doesn't.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, I mean, to your point, this is a nerdy stat,
but sha Joss Alexander was actually the closest defender on
the most amount of Indiana shots, I think twenty three shots.
So that tells you that they were involving him, they
were going at him, and what happened the result was
that they were scoring.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
So yes, I think that is a little bit of it.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
The big picture, I guess my thought is that we
are so quick in sports today to rush to be
like they're amazing or they're trash, and in this case
it was the Thunder or one of the best teams ever.
The Thunder were one of the best teams this season.
They're one of the best teams of the last few years.
The point differential, the way they won games was historic.
But this team is not the eighty six Celtics. This
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team is not the two thousand and one Lakers. This
is not Steph Curry's Golden State Warriors in their prime.
It is a team that is young, that, as you say,
has some flaws here and there, and we'll still have
to see with SGA. I mean, look, if he wins
this finals and wins finals MVP, he will already have
the accolades to get into the Hall of fame just
off this one year scoring title, regular, MVP Finals, MVP
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if he gets it titled that.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Kind of thing. But he's not there yet.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
They haven't won yet, so we just have to see
how good this Thunder team is. And what I love
is that the Pacers are showing people they are better
than people thought. The gap is smaller than people thought,
and they are going to test the Thunder.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, okay, let's talk Nick. Well, I'm going to leave
the dance floor open here. James Dolan was gone for
a couple of years, you know, creating the sphere, and
they became very pragmatic and are very patient. I mean
they were like not the Knicks. And this is not
a shot at Dolan, but he fashions himself as an
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artist and a friend to artists. And all the names
I see as the next coach are all star coaches
like Phil Jackson as GM. I'm telling you, it feels
like there's a they're kind of baling water here or
do they have a plan.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Well, they clearly don't have a plan.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I mean that's obvious, and you can quibble about the
tip of thaugh thing. I would never have fired him
after he led the Knicks to their best season in
twenty five years. After all he has done in the
five years he has been there has won. And by
the way, I've covered TIBs on three different teams, I've
known him for twenty years. I understand that the Tibbs
experience wears on people. I'm not saying that he was
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a perfect coach for there weren't problems, but this is
a results based business and he got the results. And
some of the complaints I've heard coming sort of in
the reporting from players has been like, oh, we didn't
have enough scrimmages in the preseason.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
What that's what you're talking about now?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Complaints about oh, we didn't practice end of game situations enough.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
I don't know. You want enough end of game.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Situations that you got to game six to the Eastern
Conference Finals. And by the way, the longer the Pacers
extend this finals, they don't have to win it.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
The longer they extend it the more.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Losing to the Pacers in six games feels like, ah,
is that really a firerable offense? So I had a
problem with the decision to begin with, and to do
this and not know who your next coach is.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
It is just a little bit insane.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
And then to really ask around to six different teams
if their coaches are available is a lot insane. And
the line out of Madison Square Garden is they're just
trying to assess who is and isn't available. That is
not how you do this. And by the way, who
thought Emi Udoka would be available? Who thought that Chris Finch,
who just left led Minnesota to two back to back
(09:52):
conference finals and has a great relationship with his star
would be available. I mean, I just my third teen
year old could have told you that.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
I just it shocks me the way they're going about this.
It really does.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So I want to talk about Yannis. Kd fits almost everywhere.
I think San Antonio is a bit of a weird
fit for him, but he fits in Houston, he fits
in Miami, he fits in New York. Yannis. To get Yannis,
you have to give up draft capital. And I think
I've told you this, Rachel. I think that NBA draft
is going to get better going forward because more players
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are staying in college basketball with nil and they're also
stealing top European players from Spanish leagues. So college basketball
that Kentuck, that Yukon team two years ago. That's like
seven NBA guys. Like we're going back to a time
when Ewing and Georgetown and Duke It was like those
teams had NBA guys that could play. So I don't
think giving up draft picks which ten years ago, I
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mean you were getting eighteen year olds, right, I wouldn't
give up draft picks. How big do you think the
y Honest market is. We know KD you don't have
to give up as much. But you're changing the ECO
system with the Yannis. I saw a story yesterday. No,
he won't leave. This roster is not good enough to compete.
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I mean outside of Yannis, who on this roster could
play for Indiana? So what is your gut feeling on
Yiannis and Milwaukee.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Well, look, I.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Think there is a good chance that he stays, and
I think it is about more than winning. I mean,
guys who've been around the league for a long time
understand that to win a title, you have to have
not only the roster, not only the players, not only
in the chemistry. You have to have a tremendous amount
of luck. The wrong guy can't get injured at the
wrong time. Jannis himself has been on the other end
of that three years in a row. Now who you
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run up against in the bracket so changing and uprooting
your whole life to be like, oh, maybe with this
team I could get a title. There are players who
will do that every time, and then there are players
who think twice about that sort of thing. And I
think that is what Yannis is doing right now. If
he does decide to leave, If you know what, I
need a second ring, I'm gonna chase it. I'm gonna
see where I can go. If you are a team
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that is close. I disagree with you, Colin. I would
give up the farm for Janis and to Takupo. I
would give up anything that they want that would still
keep me with enough of a championship corps, because the
future is the future if you win a title, maybe.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Even two titles, because you added.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Janison to Takupo to an already stacked roster. Which are
the Those are the teams that are really most in
the market for him, right where they really feel like
they have something already and they're one Yanis away from
a title. He is not only one of the best
players in the league. If his numbers had been in
a vacuum this year, he would have won MVP. If
you get an SGA didn't exist and weren't dueling the
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way they were, Jannis absolutely would have won MVP. He's
only thirty years old. He's still at the top of
his game. He's so dominant. I would absolutely tear things up,
certainly my future picks.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
If I could get.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Yanis and I was a team that was close ish
to a championship, close ish, I.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Would I do it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
By the way, before we go, Malone from Denver, I
know he runs hot. I know he runs hot, but
he's considered a very good scheme coach, Like he knows
his stuff. Is he in the running? Like why isn't
he being mentioned?
Speaker 5 (13:12):
I think just because he and Timms are so alike.
And I think some of the reasons Tom did get
fired from Newark is being a bit set in his
ways of being a bit obstinate about things. Michael Malone
is known for both of those things, you know. The
latest reporting is that they are now now that they've
moved on from asking other guys for their wives, basically
asking other teams for their head coaches, they are now
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talking to Mike Brown, they're looking at Taylor Jenkins. Those
names are the names I would have expected them to start.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
With, and you know, they could be good fits there.
We'll see.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I mean, they're both excellent coaches. But I still, you know,
they've set such a bar with firing Tom after Game
six the Eastern Conference Finals. Whoever comes into that job
if they don't want a title. The Knicks have already
told all of us that that's a failure. And that's
quite a strange thing to do as a franchise.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, I whenever I hear you know that coach runs hot,
Steve Kerr runs hot.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean boards, yes, yeah, like these guys
all run hot.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I'm it's it's an intense league. Rate's great, senior as always,
thank you, all right, Yeah, I think Malone's pretty good.
I thought he got kind of a raw deal in Denver,
so he wanted to play Westbrook and the GM wanted
to play the draft picks. But if you watch the playoffs,
Westbrook was incredibly important for Denver's energy. So Malone is like,
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I want to play Russell Westbrook. More well, you watched
Westbrook in the playoffs. I've been a Westbrook critic. I
thought he was great. I think he was unbelievable for Denver,
so I side with Malone. I would hire him the hole.
He runs hot. Steve Kerr is a barker like like
I mean, Steve Kerr is intense. Spolstra is super intense.
He and Lebron had multiple engagements that weren't pleasant. Part
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Riley was intense. I don't worry about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
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Speaker 1 (15:12):
On Jmak, A lot of things going on. I want
you to keep your eye over the next couple of weeks.
J Mac on that Shador Sanders story, because you know
I'm busy. I'm not sure if I can get to it.
But the numbers coming out of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
So you want me to monitor what she does against
the backup, and I can't hear you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I can do Go ahead, Jenny.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I can monitor the reps against number two's for the
FedEx drivers.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Sure, I can watch those numbers. Jmak with the news, No,
no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
This is the Herd Line.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
News We're gonna start here with an established quality quarterback
and his name is Brock perty Uh. He has a
lot of pressure on him this season. You know, you
get the bag and all of a sudden you got
to deliver. Bertie is now the highest paid Niner and
Trent Williams is ecstatic.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
For his quarterback.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
It's super super fulfilling just to watch a guy like
Rock And I mean, you talk about a cinder of
the story. I think this is the epitome of that.
You know, a guy from going making you know, a
few hundred thousand a year to making fifty million years.
It's astronomical and it couldn't have happened to a better guy.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
He is a guy for this team. He is a
guy for this franchise. He will I mean, this is
just a tip of iceberg. He's going to get another contract.
He's gonna win a lot of football games. He's that
good of a player.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
We could talk about the American dream, Cowherd, the American
sports dream is what happened to Rock Berty right last
pick in the draft. Mister irrelevant literally called mister irrelevant,
and the next thing you know, he's got the Niners
in the a NFC title game and then the Super
Bowl and he goes from making like I think it's
seven hundred thousand, fifty three million dollars Like that is
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the America and Sports dream.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well, Kurt Warner wasn't drafted, either was Romo. The key is,
oh one never got to the Super Bowl. Let's but
let's not pretend you can duplicate this. Sometimes stuff is
lightning in a bottle or it's a one off. You're
not gonna find Kurt Warner, who's a top twenty quarterback
I've ever seen play like Kurt Warner was. I don't
care what the numbers are. He's a great quarterback, is it.
(17:22):
Sometimes you're not gonna find jokicch in the second round.
Don't get used to that. We're never gonna find in
the history of the NBA, will never have the best
player taken from the second round. That will never happen again.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Probably not, But you know, the jo Kich was found
in like the mountains of wherever he's from. Jannis was
also found in you know, b F the grease. Like
you're finding these guys, you got to scale the globe.
I mean NFL teams maybe they gotta look harder to
find the.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Next Kurt Warner.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
He's out there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Well. I think what what NFL scouts do, almost to
a fault, is they fall in love with rates. So
if you're not six', two if you're not too, eighteen
if you don't have a big, arm you get knocked off.
Boards AND i, think NOW i do think that stuff.
Matters there's a. REASON i, mean people can say THE
nfl doesn't know what they're doing with. Quarterbacks, yeah they.
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Do marino first, Round peyton first, Round manning first. DOWN i,
mean just go through all these. Guys lamar first, Round
allen first, Out mahomes first, round the great quarterbacks of all, time.
Overwhelmingly it's just That montana And brady did not And
Kurt warner was. Undrafted but there's a reason players. DROP i,
Mean Jalen hurts is, great but he's still not a
(18:36):
great pocket. Passer if you talk To greg, Sorry Greg,
Cray Greg, Cosell Greg cosell wins on our. Show Greg
cosell has been telling me for two years and he
said it About Russell wilson at the. Time because of his,
height he misses throws, too. ACKNOWLEDGES i can't see everything
the big guys, can so you can win all the
games you. Want but When Greg cosell says like he misses,
(18:57):
throws so there's a there are traits THAT nfl guys
look for And brock doesn't have a lot of. Them in,
fact you said, yesterday, well his his brain's the. Key
hard to see the, brain like like At Iowa. State you're, like,
YEAH i, MEAN i, guess but is it coaching or
is it SO i, MEAN i think there's a reason he.
(19:18):
Dropped THERE'S i, mean there's a Reason Tom brady.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Dropped you could say he dropped or team's whiffed on,
him including The niners in the. Draft but to go,
back just to be, clear the numbers FOR, Pffa Jalen
hurts is one of the best pocket passes in the
league seventy seven. Percent he's, Awesome BUT i know he
doesn't have the. Hype so maybe that's the. Issue and
there's so many first round quarterback. WHIFFS i, mean obviously
there's a lot of hits in the first.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
But there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Whiffs maybe it's because people, see oh he's six or four.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
With the cannon. Arm we got.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
It we, gotta we gotta.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Bring this guy. ON i, MEAN i don't have The Janis.
Winston that's a massive. Whiff, well but that means you
have to take a quarterback if you need. It like
next Year, cleveland If Shador sanders doesn't, HIT i think
he will. THERE i, mean Like tennessee this, year had
to take a. Quarterback the coaching staff's going into the
year two off a losing, season And Will levis.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Is in the.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Answer so you do get. Trapped it's the one position
THAT i think we should allow for. Overdrafting never overdraft
a wide, receiver there's a million in THE. Nfl don't
overdraft for interior offensive lineman or off ball, linebackers, safeties
don't overdraft for that. Stuff but a great, CENTER i
would get him in the first. ROUND a great tight
End Rock bowers draft him in the first. Round BUT
(20:29):
i do think quarterback is if you need it.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Drafted, okay so let's do The saints real. QUICK i
know nobody cares about The. Saints we never talked about
him on the. Show they drafted the Kid tyler's shock
and everybody's, like.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Doing because he looks the, part six foot, seven big.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Arm, meanwhile he's like twenty, six twenty seven years. Old
shador was sitting out, there he would have sold. Tickets
shador would have sold tickets In New. Orleans aint nobody's
shown up to See tyler's. SHOCK i don't understand that right. There,
WELL i think what people say THE nfl doesn't get
quarterbacks in the.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
First round and. EARLY i think That Tyler schuck is
kind of one of the. Examples, WELL i, think don't
The saints Have Spencer? Rattler AND i THINK i think
if you go back and look at both of them
out of, COLLEGE i Think rattler had a higher ceiling Than.
Shocked so to, ME i didn't get What New orleans is.
DOING i don't Trust New orleans And Sean payton And
Drew brees. LEFT i just don't like the direction of
the franchise and they're. Hires But i'll push back that
(21:23):
THE nfl doesn't know what they're. Doing i'm sure THERE'S i,
mean you go look at THE nba. Draft Did Steph
curry go number? One there's a lot where Did halliburton, Go,
like there's a lot of dudes in THE. Nba the
best defensive player of all, Time Draymond green went in
the second. Round the best player in the world went
in the second. ROUND i Think Tony parker went late
first or second round man Ud. Genobli so it's inexact
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when you're drafting young. People it's just in exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Baseball Mike, piazza wasn't he like a sixty second round
pick or something? Crazy?
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Like there's this examples of it in every.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
QUART i.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Agree let's go to The New York.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Giants in their quarterback room Features Russell, Wilson Jackson, Dark Jameis,
winston But colin there seemed to be some. Issues according
to The New York Daily, news The giants offensive operation
With Russell wilson at the helm has not been smoothed,
consistently productive or. EXPLOSIVE i have been saying from the
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Moment Jackson dart got to the, podium he won over the.
Media i'm just telling, you he looks the, part he sounds.
It he's like asking guys their, name the little, things
and Then Jackson, dart is there a world where he
takes his job From russ like early In, SEPTEMBER i
would not be Shocked.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Russell wilson another, guy by the, way As Brian dable
will find out that doesn't oways see open receivers because
of a height. ISSUE i know we love the short quarterback,
thing but it does matter the average old lineman sixty
six to six. Seven SO i THINK i never Saw
Jackson dart as a first round. Quarterback BUT i will say,
this we look At New york as a tire, fire
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But Brian dable as a coach is a pretty good
opening coach in THE, nfl like we looked At washington
as a Mass remember last year With, washington we were
like new, owner NEW, gm new, coach new, coordinators but
all the new guys were. GOOD i think brought you
can do a lot worse Than Brian dable as your
first coach in THE. Nfl so IF i think we're
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going to see the best Of jackson dark whether he's good,
ENOUGH i don't. KNOW i thought he was more of
a second third round, pick but we'll get the best of.
Him AND i Think Russell, WILSON i Mean pittsburgh last,
year at the last five, games he was just. Ineffective
so AND i think you, Know Pete carroll moved off
Him Sean payton moved off, Him Mike tomlin moved off.
Him we have, it we have. It Mike tomlinoha says
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two is a. Trend, Well russell's on a three a
three team, trend which is high profile. Coaches, Pete, peyton
And tomlin have all moved OFF. Russ so that tells
Me Jackson dart's gonna get.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Looks SO i just went to THE nfl draft combine.
Measurements Jackson dart six two twenty, THREE jj mc art
the six two and a half two nineteen so almost,
identical hand size similar and rock perdyes six.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
't one to.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Twelve so all those guys are kind of in the
same space size.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Wise colin.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And you, know to go back To, Russell wilsons and
stats on the screen, here he's not been very good
in the last three. Years uh you know he's down.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
THERE i mean just, JUST i, mean, seriously three Straight
hall Of fame level coaches have moved Off. Russell's THAT'S i,
Mean pete couldn't get him out of town fast, enough
And Sean payton and he just did not last we're
not compatible compatible And. Tomlin according to a story last,
WEEK J mack The steelers wanted to resign Justin.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Fields they didn't want.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Us, yeah they Wanted. Fields SO i Mean, tomlin even
though he benched him by the end of the, year
wanted to work with. Him SO i think the trend
Is Russell wilson will not start seventeen.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Games, yeah a great final, story Collms Bill. Belichick you,
know things have died down with The Georgie Jordan hudson matter. Lately,
however Yesterday belichick conducted a rare press conference and address
the Issues i'm just gonna call them issues that have
emerged outside of the product on the football.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Field here we.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Go is there noise out? There that's we've always dealt with. That,
really you, know our job is to is to build
a football team and for the team to you, know
help build the team and also build their individual. Careers,
no she doesn't have any role in THE unc football.
Program but again there's, been you, know a noise out
there about a lot of different. Things, again our focus,
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is you, know day to, day getting, better stocking good days.
TOGETHER i like to.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Be, addresses you know HOW i feel about this. Relationship
some people can't spot true, love others. Can't, oh come So.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
COLIN i know YOU'RE i don't want that's probably making
it a two PERSONAL i was gonna, say your daughter comes,
home she's.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
LIKE i met a seventy year old.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
GUY i want to.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Day, yeah, yeah let's see how you take that. WELD i,
KNOW i, mean my daughter's way younger than that middle,
school but that would be a little like where HAVE
i failed as a?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Parent like how does that? Happen? Man you know you
gotta admit something's a little.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Off twenty four or whatever and seventy a fifty year age.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Gap, Well I'm i'm not a moralist on this. Stuff
i'm not judgment you have to be a. Moralist it's
just common.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Sense what do they have in?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Common give me one.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Thing there they have in? Common they're both aspirational driven.
People well what's wrong with?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
THAT i love.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
It you, KNOW i did not know you would be
so good on this. Topic when it came, OUT i was, like,
ooh this is a no fly. Zone, jmax stay. Away
i'm going to say SOMETHING i, regret And coward's just
diving in LIKE i, MEAN i, Mean michael.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Felt just because SOMETHING i wouldn't do. SOMETHING i don't
invest in. BITCOIN i think there's grifters everywhere out BUT i,
know BUT i know smart people that you know are
given and they're not putting their portfolio on. IT i
think it's grifter paired. Ice it's unregulated currency like stay.
Away there's a lot of people that think it's. Great
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so that doesn't MEAN i am not comfortable at this point,
putting you, know my equity portfolio. There But i'm not.
Anti it obviously has made people aut of, money so on.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
The five you can put five five percent of your.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
LIFE i don't have a problem with. It i'm just
saying my take is just because somebody does something that
makes me a little squeamish or not SOMETHING i would
do that. Doesn't that Doesn't i'm not going to jump
out of a plane my son.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
Did, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I'm not doing. That BUT i had a friend who.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Did have you talked With anne at all About belichick
dating this young?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Woman, well she doesn't like.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
It.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
INTERESTING i Found anne very sharp and, smart very wise.
Individual every Time i've talked with, her.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
You are to except when you Talk jalen, Hers, no she.
Does she doesn't like, it and it's you, KNOW i
try to avoid topics that get her riled. Up she's
an artist and she's, emotional AND i don't need to
rile her up so she gets she's. Unhappy let's rap it.
Up we don't. Talk we don't talk about a. Policy
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jmack with the. News well that's the, news and thanks
for stopping by the. Line NIC i, Uh Eric mangini's
around the. CORNER i it's interesting to me, that you
know how when people were, saying you, know and this
was on the liberals kept, saying follow the, science follow the.
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SCIENCE a lot Of democrats were preaching The republicans follow the,
science follow the, science and then they didn't follow the,
science right like you, know, see be careful what you.
Lecture but everybody's always telling, me this is your. Opinion
you have a. Bias you have an Anti Schador sanders
bias if you don't think he's the best quarterback in
camp For. Cleveland look at the. Numbers you're telling me
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to follow the data to not be. Biased the numbers
dictate that Clearly shaduur is the most accurate by a
long shot In cleveland. Camp i'm following your. ORDERS i
have no, bias you, know IT'S i, MEAN i Criticized
dion for His Super bowl proclamations that he didn't want
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day War room By. SHADOUR i thought it was. Cringey these.
Numbers sorry for the radio, audio please numbers thirty, four forty,
Four Dylan gabriel's thirty eight to Seventy Eric mangini and
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Podcasts Jet's Cleveland browns now he works For Fox. Sports
FORMER nfl head Coach Eric mangini is joining me live
and we got stuff to talk about. Here so you
still have a place In. Ohio you know The, browns
you know the. Personnel, Well i'm a big fan Of
Kevin stefanski And Andrew. BERRY i don't always love the
pulse of nature or the, ownership BUT i THINK i
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think they accumulated a second first round, pick so they're
gonna go out for a quarterback next, year and my
take IS i think they got one In Shador. Sanders
so if you, KNOW i know It's OTA's AND i
know it's mandatory, camp AND i can't take a ton from.
It but when you look At chador's, numbers he's duplicating
what he did at. College whenever a college, quarterback like
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When Tim tebow ran around in, college you're, like what
an athlete he got to THE nfl and you're, like,
yeah he's not AN nfl. Athlete same With Johnny. Manziel
Jayden daniels ran in, college you watch him in THE
nfl and you're, like, oh that. Translates chador's accuracy seventy
four percent in, college he's now at seventy seven percent in.
Camp and you could, say, well it's just. Camp well
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why are the other quarterbacks in fifty eight? Percent for The?
Browns it means, something does it?
Speaker 12 (31:52):
Not, yeah it means a little, Something BUT i WOULDN'T
i wouldn't read too much into. IT i feel like
like you might be A browns beat, Writer, colin because
this this hype train In cleveland is so ridiculous right,
now AND i get.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
It there is a desperation.
Speaker 12 (32:11):
Coming off With Deshaun, watson for some quarterback to, emerge
for some hope to be there for the, franchise and
they Thought shudor could could potentially be a you, know
a high pick form and then.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
They get him in the fifth.
Speaker 12 (32:25):
Round so it's just it exploded In cleveland the second
that he got, here and What Kevin stefanski's trying to
do is he's trying to tamper it. Down he's trying
to push it. Down and you see all of his
reps have been with the back end. Guys he hasn't
gotten any reps with the. Ones to me that that's
a good decision because as soon as he gets in
with the, ones then the hype train's going to roll even.
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Further i'd say the numbers have to be taken with
a gigantic grain of. Salt there's a lot of learning
going on for, him and to see the numbers that's,
positive but he's also working versus the back into the,
roster so his numbers should be a little bit higher
just based on that as. Well the other issue With
shudor it's not, accuracy it's how well he can deal with.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Pressure in the.
Speaker 12 (33:12):
Pocket the constant need to extend, plays the unnecessary sacks he,
took and you're looking at an offensive line and a
team In cleveland had one of the worst percentages of
sacks given up last season of. Anybody SO i just,
say you can get, excited but don't be too.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
Excited all.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Right that's HOW i feel About pittsburgh And Aaron. Rodgers
he is now a pocket. Quarterback Arthur smith can be pretty.
Inflexible they lost their left, Tackle Nause, harris and their top.
RECEIVER i don't have high hopes for. IT i, said eight,
wins twenty three, touchdowns eleven. PICKS i think that's Being
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and YESTERDAY i went out AND i looked at. THIS
i took the nine older quarterbacks past their win to new. Teams, Brady,
manning And stafford Won Super. Bowls they all won That
Super bowl with an offensive. Coach Philip, rivers by the,
way With Frank reich had a terrific one year In.
Indianapolis if you remember, that he was like a ninety
(34:15):
seven passer, rating eleven. Wins went toe to toe With
Josh allen In buffalo in the playoff. Game the guys
that don't, work the older, quarterbacks defensive, coach defensive, culture inexperienced, coach,
because in my, Takeaway eric is as a quarterback gets,
older he doesn't want to get. Hit he's got to
have the right left. Tackle you can't just bulldoze through
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problems with your athletic. Ability AND i Think aaron's at
a point now you don't want to get. Hit they
don't have a strong left. TACK i don't think it's
going to be a dynamic year for. Him thoughts from.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
You, yeah it may not be a dynamic. Year but
can we give The steelers?
Speaker 12 (34:54):
Credit they Had Justin, Field Russell, wilson and Now Aaron
rodger for two years and it cost him only twenty million.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Dollars that's.
Speaker 12 (35:04):
Unbelievable and when you look at what happened last season
With justin And, russell they weren't, great but they were
a lot better than their last. Stop they were a
lot better Than justin was a lot better than when
he was In, chicago And russell was a lot better
than when he was In. Denver so you would think
That aaron's going to come in and be better than
he was In New.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
York and his numbers weren't. Terrible In New.
Speaker 12 (35:27):
York would he have twenty seven time sounds and eleven?
Picks the picks were a little bit, High but you've
got a. Chance he gives you a, chance and that's
really what this is. About there weren't great alternatives For
pittsburgh in the. Draft there weren't great alternatives For pittsburgh
in free. Agency so this is somewhat of a marriage
of necessity and convenience that's. Inexpensive and here's What i'll
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say about about the offense and dealing with an older.
QUARTERBACK i Had Brett favre In New, york and if
you're gonna make those guys, work.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
You better do what they do.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
Well so For Arthur, smith you can be, inflexible but
you're going to be inflexible to the detriment of your.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
Offense Give aaron whatever he needs to be.
Speaker 12 (36:10):
Successful understand you may not love, it it may not
be what's your. Ideal but if you're going to bring
in a forty one year old, quarterback do what he does,
well and do a lot of, it and you can
readjust next. Season but that gives you the best chance
to make this work right.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Now SO i like mystery with my true crime. SERIES
i like mystery on. MOVIES i do not love mystery with.
QUARTERBACKS i didn't like WHEN i didn't get footage Of
Jordan love for three. Years and everybody's telling, me, oh
the practices At minnesota WITH jj. McCarthy and my take,
(36:48):
is they flirted With darnold reportedly wanted to resign. It
they flirted With Daniel. Jones there's some that say they
looked At Aaron. RODGERS i feel like there's a lot
of as a lot of. Flirting flirting leads the trouble
in all aspects of. Life what do you expect FROM jj.
McCarthy i got one preseason, Game vanilla defense's backups, hurt two.
(37:12):
Surgeries what are you?
Speaker 12 (37:13):
Expecting, Yeah i'm a little bit like, You. Colin it's
the Old May west. Phrase if you've got to tell
people you're a, lady then you're. Not if you've got
to constantly tell everybody how great your quarterback, is how,
wonderfully you start to worry that they're doing it to
pump him, up to give him. Confidence AND i didn't
(37:35):
love him coming out in the, draft and now we're
a year, removed he's coming off of an.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
Injury he has no.
Speaker 12 (37:42):
Experience the good news is at least he's over a
lot of the rookie. Things he's got the.
Speaker 8 (37:47):
Background of the.
Speaker 12 (37:47):
Offense he's been through a lot of the things that
rookies go through that make it really. Challenging but he
hasn't been through the most important, thing which is multiple
defensive looks and all the things happening in real, time
and now he's doing it coming off him an.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
INJURY i know they went and Got Sam howell as a.
Speaker 12 (38:04):
BACKUP i could see this being in a landing spot
For Kirk cousins at some point as an insurance policy
if this doesn't, work Because ATLANTA i think is going
to have to wants to move off from, him and
he wants to move, on and he has a good
relationship with that staff and that. City so, yeah they
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want to make this. Work they've invested a lot in.
HIM i don't know if they have a real conviction
with it or if they're just trying to build up everybody's.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Confidence, okay, Finally Caleb. Williams Ben johnson's been. Outspoken ben
said a couple of different, times we're not there. Yet
he's been tough on him at. Practice my take AT,
Usc Lincoln riley didn't trust the old Line caleb's last
year IN, usc and he Let caleb do a lot
more ad libbing and running because he kind of felt
(38:58):
guilty That i'm not he's going to be a number one.
Pick i'm not going to get this kid hurt and
ruin HIS nfl. Prospects so the last year AT, usc
it was a lot of hero. BALL i Think caleb
got into some bad. Habits eber Flu staff didn't know
how to corral. HIM i think he's got bad, habits
but great. Talent what do you, Expect Ben. Johnson some
of the comments Are ben's, like, hey we're not, There
(39:19):
we're doing this, Wrong AND i understand. It his last
year AT usc was a little ad, libbed AND i
think you get into bad habits that.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
Way, yeah you're absolutely.
Speaker 12 (39:31):
Right what you saw With caleb was a lot of
the same things that you saw With shador where he's running,
around he's extending. Plays but With, caleb you saw these
wild plays time and time again when he was doing,
that which excites, you and you saw the overwhelming. Talent
so then he gets into pro, football he's drafted where
he's drafted there's so much hype around. Him he doesn't
(39:51):
do anything to tamper down the. Hype, he if, anything
continues to build the. Expectations so now we're a year.
Removed Jayden daniels ends up being the star of last,
year And i'm sure this For. Caleb now there's probably
a level of openness to coaching that maybe wasn't there
when he first got into pro, football that maybe wasn't
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there when he was AT usc where he's, Thinking, OKAY
i know what's. Best so now he's got an offensive
coordinator and a head coach that can really help him
take the next, step provided he's willing to listen very,
carefully to do the things that they're asking him to,
do to be patient with the things that they're asking
(40:34):
him to. Do AND i think he should have as
good a situation as you can have with the change
in coaching, staff as long as he's.
Speaker 8 (40:47):
Open to holding up his end of the.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Bargain, Yeah Eric mangini and disclosed. LOCATION i can assure
you though it's nice and semi. Trump great to see, You,
Colin great to see, you by the, Way. JAMCK i
want to go back to, this remember The Saquon barkley
leads THE nfl and licensed MERCHAND i. Sold Micah parsons is.
Ninth no Other cowboy in the top. Fifteen AND i
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think a lot of this is are you winning football
games In january And. FEBRUARY i think the more games you,
win Like Saquon barkley And Patrick mahomes And Jalen hurds
And Jayden daniels And Josh allen and The Detroit, LIONS
i do think it. Matters Travis kelsey's up. There do
you know in the last ten Years January february football
(41:33):
games where The Dallas cowboys are in THE nfl winning
Percentage january And february football games last ten, years last
ten years two in eight third worst than the. League
The cowboys have the worst record nine in twenty three
in THE nfl In january And february since their Last
(41:54):
Super bowl win ninety. Six oh, goodness, now thing about
that thirty worst record in the. League that's worse than
everybody in THE Nfc south and THE Afc. South. Great
they have the worst record in the league nine in
twenty three In january And february since their Last Super
bowl win in ninety, six AND i think if you
look at that, list it's a lot of guys that.
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