May 15, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin talks about the news story of Caleb Williams' father not wanting his son to be drafted by the Bears
Many believe the Browns owner pushed for Shedeur Sanders to be drafted
Guest: Albert Breer
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our two in Chicago. It is The Herd. So Jmac.
A year ago, a little more than a year ago,
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I went on the air before the draft and I said,
I have a pretty good contact with Caleb Williams. He's
going to be the number one pick, but there are
concerns about the Chicago Bears. It would not be his
first pick because of the history of the franchise. And
I think it's I've said this before. The harder you work,
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the better you are as a college athlete. The worst
team you go to. If you're a young lawyer, a
young architect, a young tech star, you can go to
a better company. Kevin Durant's going to a worst team
out of college or John Wall or whoever is the
best player. So I said, there's real there's some real
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concerns about Chicago, but my source told me he doesn't
want to be a bad guy. It's a great city.
He's just going to make the most of it. Well,
I got assailed, I got ripped by Chicago radio personalities.
Very sad, very hurtful. Well, what do you know, Seth Wickersham,
who is one of the best at what he does
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in the country. A journalist for ESPN reports that Caleb
and his family wade blowing up the entire draft, consulting
with lawyers to figure out a way around the leadu's
collective bargain the agreement, considered signing with the UFL just
not to go to Chicago. Caleb told his father he
wanted to play for the Vikings after meeting Kevin O'Connell.
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I would as well. Aaron Rodgers rumored wanted to play
for Kevin O'Connell, the guy they called the tall Sean McVay.
Now one of the reasons I was told, and now
it comes out in the story, he had looked it
was a defensive coach. The coach was on the hot seat.
He just did not trust the organization to help him.
In the Wickersham piece today, Caleb said he often watched
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film alone last season, no instruction, no guidance from the coaches.
That's what he was afraid of. Now, I do think
it all worked out. If you could pick a coach
to have in year two, you'd want Ben Johnson. They've
spent money on the offensive line, so and by the
way we said this last year, it's better this year.
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They have in the NFL top six or seven running back,
tight end, wide receiver talent. They have really good talent.
So it's worked out and now it's on Caleb and
I'm sure everybody will deny it. Ben Johnson's on our
show later, and I don't think it's a big deal
now because he's got it. Took a year, but he
got the right people. I mean, if you're a young quarterback,
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Ben Johnson, Drew Dolman, Joe Tooney, Dj Moore, two good
tight ends in a division without a great defense, I
think it all worked out for him. But this just
goes back to the story that I had reported based
on my sources at the time in Los Angeles, near
USC He said, yeah, he was worried about it, and
I defended him because he didn't want to be a
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bad guy. But if you looked at the Chicago Bears.
I think this is true. I don't think they've ever
had a quarterback through over over four thousand yards. That
is virtually impossible. That's driving through a car wash and
not getting the car wet. How in the NFL can
you not eventually have a four thousand yard quarterback? And
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a lot of it's because the brand of the Bears
has always been defense, and I mean they still celebrate
the eighty five Bears. I always gave Andy Reid credit,
but he was in Philadelphia, Andy Reid, and Philadelphia is
a tough, working class, tough town. They love a run
game and a defense. And Andy Reid on third and
two started passing and I was like, who is this
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guy in Philadelphia? Who is who has turned third and
two and third and three into a passing down? And
I don't even love Donovan McNabb. Andy Reid really changed
the way we looked at third and three in this league.
And until he got Mahomes, he couldn't he couldn't get
the trophy. But Andy Reid was the first guy that
like he had to change Philadelphia's brand from tough in
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your face to we're gonna do a little clever and
Finesse on third down right like that was not easy.
I think Ben Johnson is going to do and Andy Reid,
I think he's going to take this defensive brand in
this tough guy town and he's going to say, now
we're gonna we're me fun will be a little Finesse
will run, and I think he's on our show today.
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I think they'll be great. But my point is this
story is out there, and I don't think it's controversial
now because in the end it all worked out and
no reasonable pri I mean, listen, John Elway didn't want
to go to the Colts, and Eli Manning his family
did not want him to go to the Chargers, and
in both instances they were right. And if Caleb Williams
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would have forced the issue to go to Minnesota or
somewhere else, I'd argued I'd do it too. Every one
of us comes out of college, the harder we work,
the more options in pro spytive defended athletes on this
forever in pro sports, the harder you work, the lousier
franchise you go to, until recently, wherever you landed, you
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are stuck. And now it's just recently that Baker Mayfield,
Sam Darnold and Gino Smith have been able to get
a third team or a fourth team and kind of
restart their career. Before that, it was like we always
use Drew Breese as the exception. Starts, bad team moves
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off him, and he ends up being a Hall of Famer.
But it used to be wherever you added up as
an NFL quarterback because there was only so many good
offensive coaches in the league. Now there's this breadth, there's
this layering of tremendous young offensive coaches sprinkled all throughout
the NFL. So a quarterback can have a bad opening
spot and then is second or his third coach. I mean,
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Sam Donold got Kevin O'Connell, Okay, all right, it's gonna work.
Or Geno Smith gets a coordinator he likes, Oh it's
gonna work. Baker Mayfield gets Liam Cohen and Sean McVay, Oh,
this is gonna work instead of Freddie Kitchens. So now quarterbacks,
if their first landing spot's a mess, there's a greater
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chance with all the excellent offensive coaching to turn your
career around. But most of my life, until the last
five or six ers years, you were stuck. It was over,
and I'll defend Caleb forever. We talked about this. Chicago's
history is they don't get quarterback, right. They do a
lot of things. Well that's not one of them. So
Albert Breer is joining us, and he's joining us live. Yeah,
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that's interesting. Staff just pointed this out. Chicago produced a
pope before they produced a four thousand yard passer. Yeah.
By the way, Albert, just some thoughts on I don't
think it's a big deal today because I think it
all worked out for him. But what did you make
of the story?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I mean, sets an excellent reporter, so obviously, you know,
I think getting it dug out first of all, great
job by him. You know. My my primary thought is
this is a lot of the stuff that we were
hearing over the couple of years that went into Caleb
going into the draft, right like that they were thinking
outside the box. He and his dad. His dad's a
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very smart and accomplished businessman and you know, taught his
son to think differently. And the reality is, like this
is something that all teams were looking into and anybody
that was going to be in a position to draft
him was concerned about this like, is he going to
want to come play for us? And so I think,
like those thoughts on on Chicago or the manifestation of
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what a lot of people were talking about across the
NFL in the couple of years that led into Caleb
becoming a pro. So you can understand his concerns certainly,
you know. I think this is something that more and
more athletes think about. And you know, it's something we
heard about with shador a lot, you know, going into
his draft here was would you rather go to an
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ideal situation or just get drafted as high as possible?
And I think more and more athletes are starting to
look at the bigger picture of this, especially with the
explosion of second contrast what those are worth now, you know,
and the quarterbacks are into the sixties now, you know
a lot of times, you know, I think these guys
are able to take a bigger picture view of it,
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and the bigger picture view of it would show that
going to the right place isn't more It is absolutely
more important than the getting drafted as high as you can.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, and I and I think I remember talking with
somebody in the NFL and they said I was a
big bow Knicks fan. He said, bow Boy, and he
knew he was a listener. He said, I know how
much you love Bownicks. He's like perfect coach, Sean pay
because remember Jadeen Daniels defensive head coach, Caleb Williams defensive
head coach, Drake May defensive head coach, and there's bow Knicks.
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He goes to Sean Payton. What a shocker, now, bo,
Jayden Daniels got Cliff Kingsbury. But it does. I will
defend these young kids. Where you land when you're walking
into this league is huge.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It's a great point too. And I think, like I
was saying this to somebody yesterday, like I think too
often we undersell the importance of environment. We undersell like
how a guy success is tied to where he lands.
We've seen it over and over and over again, and
in a lot of cases, like you know, when you
have these private conversations with people that are involved with
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the young quarterbacks, situations like Chicago last year where you know,
maybe the head coach got a stay of execution, and
if you're looking forward, a guy could be going through
a coaching change after just one year in the NFL.
That's something that these guys are are looking to avoid
for sure. So you know, I think you know you can.
You can look over the course of the history of
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the NFL how environment can swing things one way or another.
You brought up Baker Mayfield, Like what a great example
that is. I mean, look at Jared Goff right, Like
he goes to the Rams with the first pick of
the twenty sixteen draft. They're back in LA. Jeff Fisher
gets the stay of execution because they had him in
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place to be the coach that was going to usher
them to Los Angeles. And he couldn't have had a
worse rookie year in LA. And I think a lot
of people gave up up on him, and then Sean
McVay steps in in year two, and now ten years later,
here we are he's still playing at a really high level.
So I think too often we look at I just
think too often, don't we don't account for the importance
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of environment and a young quarterbacks performance. I've seen there
are very few cases, Colin. I don't know how many
you can come up with. How many guys and I'm
not talking about a guy at thirty or thirty five,
how many guys at twenty two, twenty three, twenty four
years old at that position or overcoming bad environments. I mean,
maybe the only one I can think of is Andrew Luck.
Other than that, it's really hard to find examples.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
That is literally it Andrew Luck, who won eleven games
with a mo outside of a good corner and I
think a decent kicker. They didn't have much to work with. Okay,
So you know, I said, a couple of things jumped
out to me in the schedule. But when Albert Breer
looked at it, what did you think the league was
prioritizing when you looked at the schedule?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You know, it's funny. I talked to Annie Bow's is
the VP of broadcasting last night, and he kind of
took me through the openers of the last few years. Right.
So two years ago they took a chance in the
Lions rolling the dice there and it wound up working
out for him. Then last year they went the other
way and they put Baltimore in Kansas City in that
slot as a rematch of the AFC title game, and
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they really felt like that worked. And then they looked
at this year's schedule and they saw some of the
divisional matchups. The NFC East is playing the NFC North,
the NFC North is playing the AFC North, and they
saw this just deep inventory of games, and the idea
this year was we are going to go big in
as many big slots as possible. In other words, they
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weren't going to use the big slot to elevate a
young rising team the way that they did two years
ago with the Lions. They were going to use the
teams to amplify the slot. And so I think that's
why you see Eagles Cowboys there in that kickoff game right,
like they could have used that slot maybe to amplify
the Bears. No, no, no, they're going to put the
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Cowboys in that slot against the Eagles. They know that's
going to do a huge number. They're going to use
the teams in that slot to amplify the stage that
they've created.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
There.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Same thing on Thanksgiving, right that four PM window is
huge for the for the networks on Thanksgiving one of
the most fewed windows, if not the most viewed window
if the entire regular season. They make a Cowboys chief.
So that was the whole idea. That was the overlying thing,
was like they had this deep schedule because of the
division matchups, and they took advantage of it by trying
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to go big in the biggest slots.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, the you know, I look up and down. I
will say this, the San Francisco forty nine ers schedule,
if you take out Matt Stafford twice in CJ. Stroud,
it is the weakest schedule I've ever seen. They don't
play a single team off a bye. It is just eight.
Now there's Jmack made the point that they have a
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rigorous road schedule Rams at Tampa, at Houston over a
month stretch. You look at this, that's a lot of scravel.
But my takeaway is I want to sign Brock pretty
before this season because you can watch.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Twelve wins on.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Wow. Yeah, I'm like looking at it right now and
you have it here in front of me, and thank
you for putting it up for me. But I mean
it's really easy to see them, you know, going to
Los Angeles in week five at four and oh right,
And I think so much of it with a lot
of these teams is sort of the spot that you're in, right, Like,
are you a team that's established that's bringing a lot
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of veterans back or are you going to be breaking
in new players in key spots. If you're a team
that's breaking in new players in some key spots, then
this is the source schedule you want, right like, build
some momentum, get some confidence, and then by the time
you get to the bigger games, you're ready to roll.
And that just so happens to be the position the
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Niners are in right now with all the guys they
offloaded in the offseason, bringing in guys to play key roles.
Their first round pick Michel Williams is obviously going to
be in a real big spot. That offensive line's going
to have to come together. Christian McCaffrey's going to be
working his way back. The receiver group has reconfigured with
Deebo Samuel out the door, like all of that. Now,
they've got like a month to bring all of that together.
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And as well coached as that team is, especially with
Robert Sala coming back, I don't know, man, Like I
look at this and I'm with you, I think this
is a double Dishit when team easy.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Finally, I don't I've given up guessing what Aaron Rodgers
is going to do. I did say, if you're a
Steeler fan, and you could pick a year to be bad. Yeah,
it's a pretty tasty quarterback draft next year and you
don't have one. You have the if Aaron doesn't sign
with you, it's the worst quarterback run in the league,
hands down. It's as bad as the Cowboy running back
room last year. My take is Aaron is just contrarian
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to a point that he gets satisfaction out of being contrarian.
I wouldn't be shocked if he retired, would he? If
I said, where's he going to be in three weeks,
I'll give him a big long tarmac. Where do you
think he is retirement? Pittsburgh? What?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I think? Pittsburgh's where he winds up. I don't know
if it's going to be in three weeks though, And
I think, and I think I said this to you
last week, Colin, like I would take the personal issue
that he's been dealing with, take that at face value
and respect it, and like that's something that's there for him.
Here's part of I think the logic for the Steelers. Right,
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Let's just say, to just satisfy everybody, you do a
contract the first week of April. Aaron Rodgers is on
the roster. Then you say to everybody, look like Aaron's
going to be taking care of a few things over
the next couple of months. Let's just you know, cool
our jets on this. He'll be here when he can
be here. What do you think that's going to look
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like for the Steelers? What do you think that's going
to look like for Aaron Rodgers. You're going to get
to the start of the off season program where's Aaron?
Where's Aaron? Where's Aaron? Start Ota, same things, started Mini camp,
same thing. So instead of doing that now, now you
have Aaron Rodgers out there, you know you're you're still
communicating with him. There's a respectful relationship. He's taking care
of his personal situation. And the other players, the other
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the coaches, Aaron himself. They don't have to hear that
like where's Aaron, Where's Aaron? Where's air? And at least
not in the volume they would if he was under contract,
and then you know, then then then then whenever he's
ready to go and be all in, he can be
all in. I think that that's a piece of the
logic here. I think that's a big piece of why
you would do it this way. Now that said, the
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flip side is you don't have him under contract, and
if he does change his mind, then the Steelers. If
you're the Steelers, you're kind of in a tough spot.
So you know, I think the likelihood, the overwhelming likelihood,
is still that he winds up playing for the Steelers,
but I still would not rule out the idea he
could retire, and who knows whether opportunity could come up
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if there's an injury somewhere else. So there is some
risk in doing it this way, but I think for
everyone involved right now is probably the best way to
handle it.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback as old ones. I even
shocked him when I showed him that Niner schedule. He
couldn't believe. It's a bakery. It's just cupcake after cupcake
down the conveyor. It's really amazing. It's CJ Stroud Matt
Stafford twice and I'm dead serious on that.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Thank you for the graphic. By the way, it's hard
when you got thirty two of them rattling around in
your head, so that graphic really helped.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
All right, Thanks buddy, Albert Breer, all right, thanks.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Going J.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Mackett does make you think, though, does it not if
you're San Francisco, I mean, Brock pretty next year is like,
if he's coming off a thirteen win season, you have
no leverage with brock Purty because that means also if
he wins thirteen games, you don't have a draft pick.
You're down at the bottom of the first round. So like,
if I'm San Francisco he's coming off a losing season,
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I may be able to get him to forty eight.
You're not getting him anywhere near that off that schedule
in a division crown, you are trapped. You're gonna have
a bad first round pick, you have an old offensive line.
You're about this. I'm John Lynch. I'm like, yeah, let's
get this thing wrapped up? Can we with that schedule?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Cal Why do you mean so negative with the Niners?
I don't get it.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
You really become a Niners hater? Like are you like
just very anti Rock Party?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I don't get it. Personally, I need to know.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Well, I think they really had a lot of things
they had to solve, secondary, linebacker, O line, and they
went all in on solving the defensive line, which I
think the first couple of picks I like, But I
just think they have holes in the roster, and I think,
what's happening in the NFL, and you're seeing it now
in the NBA, the construct of the overall roster and
taking a smaller than you'd like, marginally athletic guy with
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a bad old line is trouble. Sean Payton the first
thing he did in Denver when he had Boonicks fix
the O line. Detroit, the front office goff fix the
O line. I think that. I think if you look
at Sean McVay, the only time he's lacked success the
O lines off, I think, and this is not a
shot at Rock Purtty Allen is one of one battle
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lines he'll get you to win playoff games. Lamar Jackson
probably fits into that. I've seen Patrick Mahomes twice in
Super Bulls get destroyed for one reason battle lines. And
I do not like the Niners are a Trent Williams
injury from having a bottom ten O line.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
It's just like the Chiefs were a left tackle issue
away from getting blasted in the Super Bowl twice. I
mean again, I get it. Josh Allen and Justin Herbert
are unicorns. You can't find those everywhere, but Rock perty
has more playoff wins than Lamar Jackson. Okay, I don't
want to hear the roster. Rock Perty has more playoff
comebacks in his short career than Lamar Jackson does. Like,
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you've got to get off this. He's small, he was
a seventh round pick. It just.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
All right, I'll stand down.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I know it's your stick and you've gone to but
I got some niners. Why does he hate rock Perty?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
One in six against playoff teams with Kyle Shanahan in
kind of an average division life.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Last year, everybody's heard, come on you.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Lamar never has those years, Josh never has.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
She just fails in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
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Speaker 1 (21:20):
New Bear head coach Ben Johnson. Stop by later. It's interesting.
On a day the story broke. So Seth Wickersham works
for ESPN. He's a great author, great journalist, writing a book,
author of American Kings, a biography of the quarterback, and
he talked before the draft. So Seth has had this
for a while. This is sort of what I write
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that's not sort of This is what I had talked
about before the draft, that his dad wasn't in love
with the idea of his son wanting to play for
the Bears. That dad really drove it, and so his
son is like, well, yeah, I'd rather play for Kevin O'Connell.
But his son eventually said, I don't want to go
out publicly. This is exactly what I was told by
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a source very close to Caleb Williams. And when I
reported this, like Chicago media didn't want to hear it,
but I'll just read you this. Chicago is a place
quarterbacks go to die, said Caleb's dad. Carl Williams told
Seth Wickersham, I don't want my son playing for the Bears,
Williams told several agents last year. May have been where
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I heard it. The rookie cap is just unconstitutional. So
Ryan Poles, who's still the Bears GM told Caleb's dad
were drafted them regardless, and that left one option for
Caleb Williams to publicly go out a little bit like
John Elway had done with the Baltimore Colts in the
eighties and just ripped the franchise and said I don't
want to play. And Caleb came out and said, I'm
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going to do it. I can turn this puppy around.
I've got confidence in myself. But Caleb worried about the city,
the franchise's history, he worried about Shane Waldron and their offense.
Caleb's a bright kid, He'd done his homework. He knew
what he was getting into. I have no problem with
any of it. The Bears aren't going to comment on
this stuff because all those guys, you know, the coaching
staff has gone, Shane Waldram's gone. But this is exactly
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what I was told. There was agents talking and confidence
to Caleb Williams and the dad, a businessman, you know,
kind of spearheaded it. And it's like, I don't want
my son planning for the Bears. It's a mess, and
it was, and everything worried about happened. So I think sometimes,
you know, you need people like Seth Wickersham out there
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to tell you the stories of sports. There's a lot
of phone calls being made and John Elway just said,
I'm not doing it, and the Manning family said no,
we're not doing the Chargers and Caleb didn't want to
go there and he had confidence in himself, but he
had every right to be worried about Eberflus, who was
over a skis, Shane Waldron who didn't work, and the
history of the franchise. All of those were totally legitimate concerns.
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I don't have a problem with any of them. And
I've said until recently, I think there's so much much
good offensive coaching in the league that if you go
to a team and it's really bad. Jared Goff's an example.
The coaching staff was a mess to Sean McVay. It
all worked out. I think Sam Darnold, Gino Smith and
Baker Mayfield eventually they got the right coaches, the right staff,
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the right mentor the right kingmaker, and it all worked out.
Didn't feel like it used to work that way, like
if you've got a bad opening spot. A part of
the reason that you can land with a bad staff,
which is what Caleb Williams did last year now to
a good staff, is because there's so much money to
the ownership groups now in the NFL, they'll blow out
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bad coaches much sooner than they used to. I mean,
forty million dollars to blow out a head coaching contract,
in a coordinator contract, it's a rounding air for these owners. Now,
so that's the benefit is if the coach is a stinker,
all right, let's just blow out the staff. So Caleb's
going to be fine. I think this thing's built for
him to win his coaches on next hour. But this
was all true. This is exactly what I heard, and
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I think all the con by Caleb William's father, we're legitimate.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
J McK with the news. This is the herd line
news all right.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
NFL schedule release was last night and Fox has an
amazing lineup led by Eagles at Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
In Week two rematch from the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
And the teeth the Chiefs got their teeth kicked in.
Both teams will be coming off playing early the prior week.
Eagles play on the Thursday before the Week two matchup
on Fox.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Chiefs play on the Friday, but in Brazil, so.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Technically the Eagles will probably get an extra travel day.
I like the Eagles in that game, but then again,
I don't like the Chiefs next year at all. I
know that's how can you say this about they have
Andy Reid and Mahomes Colin. I liked your opening rant
knocking the Chiefs down a peg. I don't think reality
has set in for those folks yet. And we could
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talk about Taylor Swift in the schedule, but this Fox
matchup in two is enormous and will go a long
way because we know the Chargers have fared well against
the Tiefs. If the Chargers somehow win in South Polo
and the Teats are staring at h to two against
the defending champs, that's a humongous matchup on Fox and
week two well.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And also, offensive lines are the one unit that it
just takes time. Bears offensive line I think is going
to be eventually great, but it'll probably be week twelve,
thirteen fourteen when they get Dolman and Joe Tooney and
the rookie from Boston College. It just takes time. Kansas
City week two, I mean, in week one, Kansas City's
got Khalil Mack. In week two it's the Eagles. And
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in week three, by the way, the Giants now with
Abdull Carter Dibbit on the other side, that's not a
great team. It's an elite pass rush. So the Chargers
and the Ravens pass rush JA Acts have a good
defensive front. Aiden Hodgson comes back that it's Max Crosby.
So my take is offensive lines. And by the way,
older offensive linemen no longer play in the preseason. The
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coaches don't now, and he will play some guys Bruce Arena.
Bruce Arians would do a little bit of that where
he would play some of his older guys in the preseason.
McVay won't. A lot of the young coaches won't. But
their offensive lines they got to solve that thing.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And they got.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Either elite pass rushers or great pass rushes in their
first six or seven weeks.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, and just real quick on the Chiefs before we
get back to Fox.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
So that game against.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
The Giants in week three, you see it on the screen,
that is the ultimate sandwich spot. Colin, you face the
defending Chance who destroyed you in February. And oh, by
the way, week four, you're nemesis in the playoffs, whom
you love to face. Lamar and the Ravens so they
can overlook the Giants in that spot. And as you said,
that Giants pass rush is nasty. I'm just telling you
that schedule.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Is tough talent.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Now, could we get the Fox games on the screen
real quick, because in week three there is a matchup
Cowboys at Bears on Fox.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I'm sure you'll be going to that.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Game obviously, maybe your boy, maybe I'll join you at
that one. I haven't been to a Bears game ever,
but that is a great matchup. Fox got a lot
of good games this seasons, as is to be expected.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Right. Well, what's interesting is look at who Dallas is
playing in a lot of their matchups. High powered young
athletic quarterbacks. The first Fox game, Oh it's Kayleb Williams
with Ben Johnson. The next FOXS Fox game, Jaden Daniels
with Cliff Kingsbury. The next Fox game, Oh it's Jalen
Hurt Saquon Barkley. Look at those Cowboy games the first
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and then at the end of the year, you know
they get the Giants. The first three Fox Cowboy games,
you better drop thirty points. You are facing clever coaches,
athletic quarterbacks with Dak coming off a second lower body injury,
so those Dallas matchups, you better get your offensive line fixed.
In Dallas, you are facing You could have three of
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the highest scoring NFL teams in your first three Fox games.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
And a quick note on the Eagle. I know they
won the Super Bowl and they return almost everybody on offense.
I do want to point out their offensive coordinator situation.
If you start, you guys start reading about that. It's
too early for us to drill down. But there's something
going on there. And look at their schedule is very
difficult coluing. They got to visit the Chiefs and visit
the Bills. It's one of the tougher schedules. I'm not
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saying a major pullback, but all of a sudden, I
think Washington has a chance at that division.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
I'm just putting that out there.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
It's today.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
A lot will change, all right. Next up Anthony Edwards
in the Timberwolves. They're going to the conference finals again.
Minnesota lost last year for one to Luca and Company.
Rudy Gobert was asked after last night's game about if
the team was satisfied, and Anthony Edwards jumped in, check us.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Out with all of the ups and downs that you
guys went through, that you've stayed together and you're right
back where you were last year.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Fare is no satisfaction.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, which this guy here, we haven't anything yet, so no,
he's not satisfied.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
That's exactly how it feels, you know. It's it feels
good to get to that step, but is not at all.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I think this story of this team has been the
ascension of ant but I also think it has been
the reboot of Julius Randall. He was dominant last night
and this we talked about this yesterday. You got to
give Julius Randall credit because he has been coachable, but
you got to give Chris Finch in his staff credit
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because early in the year Randall was an awkward fit.
End of the year, he's perfect. So I had Julius
Randall has and we talked about this, we always do.
He's a good player out of Kentucky when he came
to the Lakers, but when he came into the league,
Julius Randall felt like the league was changing and his
game didn't match it. Now you watch him and I'm like, oh,
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if the NBA is going to allow this physicality in
the postseason, Well, Randall's always been a bully. He is
like the Knicks. Julius Randall is built for this kind
of officiating. He is benefiting greatly. Now he can hit
threes as well, So it's a weird roster that shouldn't
work as well as it does. Young old go bear
Conley Randall. I think the staff's done a great job
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real quick.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Two things on Anthony Edwards. I know you love him
Face of the League. So Zach found this youngest players
to score one thousand points in NBA history, Colin, Anthony
Edwards is on the list, and he's in some hallowed
company here, Kobe Bryant, Tony Parker, who's a Hall of Famer,
Tatum of course, lebron kd and Anthony Edwards. Now I
bring that up, Colin, I've been percolating this hot take
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for a little bit. On Anthony Edwards, I know you've
kind of owned the face of the league corner.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
How about this one.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
In the years before Anthony Edwards got to Minnesota, they
had two playoff series wins. Kevin Garnett was the greatest
player in franchise history. I'm ready to go on record
and say Anthony Edwards, who's already accomplished more with the
Timberwolves as a team than KG, is now the greatest
player in Minnesota Timberwolves franchise history.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
This kid is young and a superstar, Colin. If they
make the finals.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
If they beat OKC, we're looking at a historic run
for Anthony Edwards and I think he's overtaken KD in
Minnesota were.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Already And the other thing is, I mean, you can
make the argument that Anthony Edwards has a better coaching staff.
And you can also make this argument like a Michael
Jordan or a Kobe Bryant as a wing player, he
handles the ball more, so the advantage. The advantage is
now you can get an occasional Kevin Durant or Wenby
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who is a big that can handle the ball, or Yannis,
but the advantage he has over Garnett is that he
got the ball in his hands all the time and
more and more. And also also, Kevin Garnett wasn't shooting three.
So what Aunt gives you, he provides you. He has
the ball in his hands more. He's a better long
range shooter in the analytic world, so there's there's no
question he should be over time a better score. Garnett
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is one of the great high school players of all time.
I think he's from Chicago, YEP. One of the great
high school players. Nobody disputes what Kevin's done, but there
isn't advance managed to be an MJ. Kobe Urant and
you got the ball in your hands all the time?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Do you see again?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Small thing? Anthony Edward the WII.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
He had his hat in that interview, jumping in to
steal a question from Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Why is Gobert dressed like a Bond villain? I don't
get that. But Anthony Edwards is basically taking over.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
He's the man right now, and I think I like
Minnesota over okay see, but we'll get there finals.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Stroy Collins is you know the Miami Heat have been
quiet for a couple of years now.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
However, two big names on the NBA market this summer,
Giannis and Kevin Durant, and according to a report out
of Miami that he are interested in making a move
on one or both players, Kevin Gard Kevin Durant is
the guy to keep an eye on. His odds to
land in Miami.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Are the fourth best.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
This would stun me. If Kevin Durant head to Miami.
I don't think they're close. But going to the East
is smart.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, going to the east with the Yannis potentially moving west.
I also think I don't think they have the AMMO
to get Yannis. I don't think they have Oklahoma City's
war chest or Houston. So if you're Miami, it's how
can we get better when we have limited resources? I mean,
they just they in pat Riley's brilliant, but they just
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don't have the AMMO that Sam Presty has in Oklahoma City. Now,
if I'm Oklahoma City, I'm not sure I'm gonna go
with Gianness. I wouldn't. I think chet Holmbren is a cheaper,
ascending version of the honest. He's not as good as Yannis,
but he'll be. He'll be an excellent by next year.
He'll be a great two. Jalen Williams Now is a two,
probably drops to a three Swiss Army Knight. But I
do think. I do think the West is getting better.
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The East will get weaker. Boston won't be nearly as
good next year. I think over the course of a
season without Tatum, they won't have Porzingis, horpor Drew Holliday.
Boston's gonna make a lot of moves. I think Durant
to Miami feels like it is a twenty six point
a game automatic catch and shoot guy without having to
give up all your draft picks for the future.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
I just don't know what. What's the seal?
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Can they make the finals with bam Adebayo and Kevin Durant?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
No, but they can be They can win a playoffs.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
If the one would.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
If I'm KD, I would send me to the Rockets.
Kevin Durant on the Rockets without losing. Aman Thompson like,
that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
I think KD is gonna be fascinating. Colin, his stock
to me is a little down.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Go tell him.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
I said that, of course, because he's very sensitive.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Note a couple of years ago. A couple of years ago,
I made a prediction. I said, and Lamar Jackson is
going to eventually replace Joe flackwin Baltimore. I said, I'm
gonna pick week eleven, and we got really lucky. It
was week eleven. So I think Shudor Sanders is eventually
this year going to be the starting quarterback for the
Cleveland Browns. And I'll give you the schedule. I'll tell you,
and I think he's going to start next.
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Speaker 1 (37:12):
So if you look at strength of schedule, the Cleveland
Browns have the second hardest schedule. So this draft they
moved down to go get a second first round pick.
So it's a very it's it's this has always been
a problem with Cleveland the owner, so this team's not
gonna win many games. They didn't love the quarterbacks in
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this class, so they moved down to get a second pick.
They would like to get Arch Manning. The Mannings have
a history with Jimmy Haslam Tennessee guys. So Cleveland's not
gonna win a lot of games. So the question is
Jimmy Haslam Many believe forced Andrew Berry in Stefanski to
draft Shdor Sanders. They drafted Dylan Gabriel probably a round
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or two early hoping to get out of the Shadu
or sweepstakes. So the question is, at some point, Haslam's
gonna come down and say, play Shador Sanders because this
is not a great team. So my guess is Joe
Flacco wins the starting job. He's the most NFL ready
to play.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Joe.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Joe can win you a game or two, and the
first four weeks the staff is going to tell him
Shador's not ready. Shador is not ready. My guess is
they go zher and four, maybe they go one in three.
Haslam's going to come down on Sunday, October fifth and
he says, I want Shador to play against Minnesota, and
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the staff's going to say, we're in London, it's rough,
just give us one more week. This is we don't
want Shador having to go overseas. It's a big ask.
And so they get They stave off the owner for
a week. Flacco loses that game. I believe Shador starts Sunday,
October twelfth. If Flacco wins that game, he'll get another
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start October twelfth against Pittsburgh and he'll win that game.
I do think he'll lose to Miami in New England.
They'll have a buy and then Shoudure the staff won't
be able to hold it off any longer. We'll play Sunday,
November ninth at the Jets. By the way, some tough
teams down the stretch for Shaduur, but I will if
you believe, and many do that. The owner, he's the
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one that wanted Manzel, He's the one that did Deshaun Watson.
He's the one that wanted Baker Mayfield. This is an
ownership group that likes headlines at quarterbacks. Schadure is a headline.
Dylan Gabriel is not. I mean, look, we're paying attention
to the Cleveland Browns, like Jerry Jones. They love their team,
their logo, they love everything on TV. So my take
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is Sunday, October fifth in London, after they start zero
to four, one and three, the owner's going to say
that's what I want and this, and the staff's going
to say, give us one more week. Let's not start
him in London. If Flacco loses that game, my guess
is Shaduur starts October twelfth against the Steelers. That's a
rough but it's a winnable game. If Flacco wins that game,
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and I don't. I don't think Minnesota is going to
be very good. I think letting Sam Darnold go, they're
going to be less of a team at quarterback. I
think Seattle's gonna benefit. You know, I loved Minnesota is
going to pull back significantly with JJ McCarthy. But if
Flacco does beat Minnesota, I think he would also beat Pittsburgh,
who could have the worst quarterback room in the league,
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and then he'd lose the next two bye week. Let's
go with a kid. So I'm gonna put it out there.
I got lucky years ago I predicted Week eleven Joe
Flacco in that ironic Joe Flacco would get seated behind
Lamar Jackson. I think it'll be either Sunday, October twelfth
or Sunday, November ninth, because the brown schedule is brutal
by any account Giants, and again, a lot of it's
(40:44):
brutal because they're not very good. A lot of the
Giants problems aren't. They're not very good. It's not like
they played teams with seventy five percent winning percentage, the
hardest schedule in the league, like the Giants. In the
Browns played teams with the winning percentage last year of
like fifty four percent, So these it just depends on
how good you're Your schedule feels a lot weaker mostly
if you have a really good quarterback and the Browns
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don't and the New York Giants don't. J Mack, you're
looking auto right now if you had to guess J
Mack Schadere starting.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Two thousand and twenty six with another team. No, just
yeah kidding. I don't see it. I'm not seeing what
you're seeing.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
I am, however, seeing love for Dylan Gabriel, Oregon's finest quarterback.
They love him, Stefanski loves him. I think he's gonna
get all the opportunities. And frankly, Stefanski's in a great spot, Colin,
because if the owner keeps pushing Shador on him and
you don't want him, I'm gonna do my thing. I'm
gonna do what I want to do. And then when
Haslam fires him for not playing Shador, Stefansky could go
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out and say, hey, man, I was coach of the Year.
I wanted Gabriel. He's a better fit for what we
want to do. I didn't want Shador. Blame it on
the owner and Stefanski comes out looking clean. I would
go under one and a half starts for Shador Sanders's Wow, you're.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Forgetting about the immortal Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
My friend coach Ben Jonson's gonna be stopping by next hour.
A lot of fun today. Schedule release, Warriors are done,
te Wolves moving on. Nuggets. Okay, see tonight it's the
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our two in Chicago. It is The Herd. So Jmac.
A year ago, a little more than a year ago,
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I went on the air before the draft and I said,
I have a pretty good contact with Caleb Williams. He's
going to be the number one pick, but there are
concerns about the Chicago Bears. It would not be his
first pick because of the history of the franchise. And
I think it's I've said this before. The harder you work,
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the better you are as a college athlete. The worst
team you go to. If you're a young lawyer, a
young architect, a young tech star, you can go to
a better company. Kevin Durant's going to a worst team
out of college or John Wall or whoever is the
best player. So I said, there's real there's some real
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concerns about Chicago, but my source told me he doesn't
want to be a bad guy. It's a great city.
He's just going to make the most of it. Well,
I got assailed, I got ripped by Chicago radio personalities.
Very sad, very hurtful. Well, what do you know, Seth Wickersham,
who is one of the best at what he does
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in the country. A journalist for ESPN reports that Caleb
and his family wade blowing up the entire draft, consulting
with lawyers to figure out a way around the leadu's
collective bargain the agreement, considered signing with the UFL just
not to go to Chicago. Caleb told his father he
wanted to play for the Vikings after meeting Kevin O'Connell.
(02:11):
I would as well. Aaron Rodgers rumored wanted to play
for Kevin O'Connell, the guy they called the tall Sean McVay.
Now one of the reasons I was told, and now
it comes out in the story, he had looked it
was a defensive coach. The coach was on the hot seat.
He just did not trust the organization to help him.
In the Wickersham piece today, Caleb said he often watched
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film alone last season, no instruction, no guidance from the coaches.
That's what he was afraid of. Now, I do think
it all worked out. If you could pick a coach
to have in year two, you'd want Ben Johnson. They've
spent money on the offensive line, so and by the
way we said this last year, it's better this year.
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They have in the NFL top six or seven running back,
tight end, wide receiver talent. They have really good talent.
So it's worked out and now it's on Caleb and
I'm sure everybody will deny it. Ben Johnson's on our
show later, and I don't think it's a big deal
now because he's got it. Took a year, but he
got the right people. I mean, if you're a young quarterback,
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Ben Johnson, Drew Dolman, Joe Tooney, Dj Moore, two good
tight ends in a division without a great defense, I
think it all worked out for him. But this just
goes back to the story that I had reported based
on my sources at the time in Los Angeles, near
USC He said, yeah, he was worried about it, and
I defended him because he didn't want to be a
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bad guy. But if you looked at the Chicago Bears.
I think this is true. I don't think they've ever
had a quarterback through over over four thousand yards. That
is virtually impossible. That's driving through a car wash and
not getting the car wet. How in the NFL can
you not eventually have a four thousand yard quarterback? And
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a lot of it's because the brand of the Bears
has always been defense, and I mean they still celebrate
the eighty five Bears. I always gave Andy Reid credit,
but he was in Philadelphia, Andy Reid, and Philadelphia is
a tough, working class, tough town. They love a run
game and a defense. And Andy Reid on third and
two started passing and I was like, who is this
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guy in Philadelphia? Who is who has turned third and
two and third and three into a passing down? And
I don't even love Donovan McNabb. Andy Reid really changed
the way we looked at third and three in this league.
And until he got Mahomes, he couldn't he couldn't get
the trophy. But Andy Reid was the first guy that
like he had to change Philadelphia's brand from tough in
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your face to we're gonna do a little clever and
Finesse on third down right like that was not easy.
I think Ben Johnson is going to do and Andy Reid,
I think he's going to take this defensive brand in
this tough guy town and he's going to say, now
we're gonna we're me fun will be a little Finesse
will run, and I think he's on our show today.
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I think they'll be great. But my point is this
story is out there, and I don't think it's controversial
now because in the end it all worked out and
no reasonable pri I mean, listen, John Elway didn't want
to go to the Colts, and Eli Manning his family
did not want him to go to the Chargers, and
in both instances they were right. And if Caleb Williams
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would have forced the issue to go to Minnesota or
somewhere else, I'd argued I'd do it too. Every one
of us comes out of college, the harder we work,
the more options in pro spytive defended athletes on this
forever in pro sports, the harder you work, the lousier
franchise you go to, until recently, wherever you landed, you
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are stuck. And now it's just recently that Baker Mayfield,
Sam Darnold and Gino Smith have been able to get
a third team or a fourth team and kind of
restart their career. Before that, it was like we always
use Drew Breese as the exception. Starts, bad team moves
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off him, and he ends up being a Hall of Famer.
But it used to be wherever you added up as
an NFL quarterback because there was only so many good
offensive coaches in the league. Now there's this breadth, there's
this layering of tremendous young offensive coaches sprinkled all throughout
the NFL. So a quarterback can have a bad opening
spot and then is second or his third coach. I mean,
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Sam Donold got Kevin O'Connell, Okay, all right, it's gonna work.
Or Geno Smith gets a coordinator he likes, Oh it's
gonna work. Baker Mayfield gets Liam Cohen and Sean McVay, Oh,
this is gonna work instead of Freddie Kitchens. So now quarterbacks,
if their first landing spot's a mess, there's a greater
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chance with all the excellent offensive coaching to turn your
career around. But most of my life, until the last
five or six ers years, you were stuck. It was over,
and I'll defend Caleb forever. We talked about this. Chicago's
history is they don't get quarterback, right. They do a
lot of things. Well that's not one of them. So
Albert Breer is joining us, and he's joining us live. Yeah,
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that's interesting. Staff just pointed this out. Chicago produced a
pope before they produced a four thousand yard passer. Yeah.
By the way, Albert, just some thoughts on I don't
think it's a big deal today because I think it
all worked out for him. But what did you make
of the story?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I mean, sets an excellent reporter, so obviously, you know,
I think getting it dug out first of all, great
job by him. You know. My my primary thought is
this is a lot of the stuff that we were
hearing over the couple of years that went into Caleb
going into the draft, right like that they were thinking
outside the box. He and his dad. His dad's a
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very smart and accomplished businessman and you know, taught his
son to think differently. And the reality is, like this
is something that all teams were looking into and anybody
that was going to be in a position to draft
him was concerned about this like, is he going to
want to come play for us? And so I think,
like those thoughts on on Chicago or the manifestation of
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what a lot of people were talking about across the
NFL in the couple of years that led into Caleb
becoming a pro. So you can understand his concerns certainly,
you know. I think this is something that more and
more athletes think about. And you know, it's something we
heard about with shador a lot, you know, going into
his draft here was would you rather go to an
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ideal situation or just get drafted as high as possible?
And I think more and more athletes are starting to
look at the bigger picture of this, especially with the
explosion of second contrast what those are worth now, you know,
and the quarterbacks are into the sixties now, you know
a lot of times, you know, I think these guys
are able to take a bigger picture view of it,
(09:05):
and the bigger picture view of it would show that
going to the right place isn't more It is absolutely
more important than the getting drafted as high as you can.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, and I and I think I remember talking with
somebody in the NFL and they said I was a
big bow Knicks fan. He said, bow Boy, and he
knew he was a listener. He said, I know how
much you love Bownicks. He's like perfect coach, Sean pay
because remember Jadeen Daniels defensive head coach, Caleb Williams defensive
head coach, Drake May defensive head coach, and there's bow Knicks.
(09:36):
He goes to Sean Payton. What a shocker, now, bo,
Jayden Daniels got Cliff Kingsbury. But it does. I will
defend these young kids. Where you land when you're walking
into this league is huge.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It's a great point too. And I think, like I
was saying this to somebody yesterday, like I think too
often we undersell the importance of environment. We undersell like
how a guy success is tied to where he lands.
We've seen it over and over and over again, and
in a lot of cases, like you know, when you
have these private conversations with people that are involved with
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the young quarterbacks, situations like Chicago last year where you know,
maybe the head coach got a stay of execution, and
if you're looking forward, a guy could be going through
a coaching change after just one year in the NFL.
That's something that these guys are are looking to avoid
for sure. So you know, I think you know you can.
You can look over the course of the history of
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the NFL how environment can swing things one way or another.
You brought up Baker Mayfield, Like what a great example
that is. I mean, look at Jared Goff right, Like
he goes to the Rams with the first pick of
the twenty sixteen draft. They're back in LA. Jeff Fisher
gets the stay of execution because they had him in
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place to be the coach that was going to usher
them to Los Angeles. And he couldn't have had a
worse rookie year in LA. And I think a lot
of people gave up up on him, and then Sean
McVay steps in in year two, and now ten years later,
here we are he's still playing at a really high level.
So I think too often we look at I just
think too often, don't we don't account for the importance
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of environment and a young quarterbacks performance. I've seen there
are very few cases, Colin. I don't know how many
you can come up with. How many guys and I'm
not talking about a guy at thirty or thirty five,
how many guys at twenty two, twenty three, twenty four
years old at that position or overcoming bad environments. I mean,
maybe the only one I can think of is Andrew Luck.
Other than that, it's really hard to find examples.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
That is literally it Andrew Luck, who won eleven games
with a mo outside of a good corner and I
think a decent kicker. They didn't have much to work with. Okay,
So you know, I said, a couple of things jumped
out to me in the schedule. But when Albert Breer
looked at it, what did you think the league was
prioritizing when you looked at the schedule?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You know, it's funny. I talked to Annie Bow's is
the VP of broadcasting last night, and he kind of
took me through the openers of the last few years. Right.
So two years ago they took a chance in the
Lions rolling the dice there and it wound up working
out for him. Then last year they went the other
way and they put Baltimore in Kansas City in that
slot as a rematch of the AFC title game, and
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they really felt like that worked. And then they looked
at this year's schedule and they saw some of the
divisional matchups. The NFC East is playing the NFC North,
the NFC North is playing the AFC North, and they
saw this just deep inventory of games, and the idea
this year was we are going to go big in
as many big slots as possible. In other words, they
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weren't going to use the big slot to elevate a
young rising team the way that they did two years
ago with the Lions. They were going to use the
teams to amplify the slot. And so I think that's
why you see Eagles Cowboys there in that kickoff game right,
like they could have used that slot maybe to amplify
the Bears. No, no, no, they're going to put the
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Cowboys in that slot against the Eagles. They know that's
going to do a huge number. They're going to use
the teams in that slot to amplify the stage that
they've created.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
There.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Same thing on Thanksgiving, right that four PM window is
huge for the for the networks on Thanksgiving one of
the most fewed windows, if not the most viewed window
if the entire regular season. They make a Cowboys chief.
So that was the whole idea. That was the overlying thing,
was like they had this deep schedule because of the
division matchups, and they took advantage of it by trying
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to go big in the biggest slots.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, the you know, I look up and down. I
will say this, the San Francisco forty nine ers schedule,
if you take out Matt Stafford twice in CJ. Stroud,
it is the weakest schedule I've ever seen. They don't
play a single team off a bye. It is just eight.
Now there's Jmack made the point that they have a
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rigorous road schedule Rams at Tampa, at Houston over a
month stretch. You look at this, that's a lot of scravel.
But my takeaway is I want to sign Brock pretty
before this season because you can watch.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Twelve wins on.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Wow. Yeah, I'm like looking at it right now and
you have it here in front of me, and thank
you for putting it up for me. But I mean
it's really easy to see them, you know, going to
Los Angeles in week five at four and oh right,
And I think so much of it with a lot
of these teams is sort of the spot that you're in, right, Like,
are you a team that's established that's bringing a lot
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of veterans back or are you going to be breaking
in new players in key spots. If you're a team
that's breaking in new players in some key spots, then
this is the source schedule you want, right like, build
some momentum, get some confidence, and then by the time
you get to the bigger games, you're ready to roll.
And that just so happens to be the position the
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Niners are in right now with all the guys they
offloaded in the offseason, bringing in guys to play key roles.
Their first round pick Michel Williams is obviously going to
be in a real big spot. That offensive line's going
to have to come together. Christian McCaffrey's going to be
working his way back. The receiver group has reconfigured with
Deebo Samuel out the door, like all of that. Now,
they've got like a month to bring all of that together.
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And as well coached as that team is, especially with
Robert Sala coming back, I don't know, man, Like I
look at this and I'm with you, I think this
is a double Dishit when team easy.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Finally, I don't I've given up guessing what Aaron Rodgers
is going to do. I did say, if you're a
Steeler fan, and you could pick a year to be bad. Yeah,
it's a pretty tasty quarterback draft next year and you
don't have one. You have the if Aaron doesn't sign
with you, it's the worst quarterback run in the league,
hands down. It's as bad as the Cowboy running back
room last year. My take is Aaron is just contrarian
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to a point that he gets satisfaction out of being contrarian.
I wouldn't be shocked if he retired, would he? If
I said, where's he going to be in three weeks,
I'll give him a big long tarmac. Where do you
think he is retirement? Pittsburgh? What?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I think? Pittsburgh's where he winds up. I don't know
if it's going to be in three weeks though, And
I think, and I think I said this to you
last week, Colin, like I would take the personal issue
that he's been dealing with, take that at face value
and respect it, and like that's something that's there for him.
Here's part of I think the logic for the Steelers. Right,
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Let's just say, to just satisfy everybody, you do a
contract the first week of April. Aaron Rodgers is on
the roster. Then you say to everybody, look like Aaron's
going to be taking care of a few things over
the next couple of months. Let's just you know, cool
our jets on this. He'll be here when he can
be here. What do you think that's going to look
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like for the Steelers? What do you think that's going
to look like for Aaron Rodgers. You're going to get
to the start of the off season program where's Aaron?
Where's Aaron? Where's Aaron? Start Ota, same things, started Mini camp,
same thing. So instead of doing that now, now you
have Aaron Rodgers out there, you know you're you're still
communicating with him. There's a respectful relationship. He's taking care
of his personal situation. And the other players, the other
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the coaches, Aaron himself. They don't have to hear that
like where's Aaron, Where's Aaron? Where's air? And at least
not in the volume they would if he was under contract,
and then you know, then then then then whenever he's
ready to go and be all in, he can be
all in. I think that that's a piece of the
logic here. I think that's a big piece of why
you would do it this way. Now that said, the
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flip side is you don't have him under contract, and
if he does change his mind, then the Steelers. If
you're the Steelers, you're kind of in a tough spot.
So you know, I think the likelihood, the overwhelming likelihood,
is still that he winds up playing for the Steelers,
but I still would not rule out the idea he
could retire, and who knows whether opportunity could come up
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if there's an injury somewhere else. So there is some
risk in doing it this way, but I think for
everyone involved right now is probably the best way to
handle it.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback as old ones. I even
shocked him when I showed him that Niner schedule. He
couldn't believe. It's a bakery. It's just cupcake after cupcake
down the conveyor. It's really amazing. It's CJ Stroud Matt
Stafford twice and I'm dead serious on that.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Thank you for the graphic. By the way, it's hard
when you got thirty two of them rattling around in
your head, so that graphic really helped.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
All right, Thanks buddy, Albert Breer, all right, thanks.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Going J.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Mackett does make you think, though, does it not if
you're San Francisco, I mean, Brock pretty next year is like,
if he's coming off a thirteen win season, you have
no leverage with brock Purty because that means also if
he wins thirteen games, you don't have a draft pick.
You're down at the bottom of the first round. So like,
if I'm San Francisco he's coming off a losing season,
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I may be able to get him to forty eight.
You're not getting him anywhere near that off that schedule
in a division crown, you are trapped. You're gonna have
a bad first round pick, you have an old offensive line.
You're about this. I'm John Lynch. I'm like, yeah, let's
get this thing wrapped up? Can we with that schedule?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Cal Why do you mean so negative with the Niners?
I don't get it.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
You really become a Niners hater? Like are you like
just very anti Rock Party?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I don't get it. Personally, I need to know.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Well, I think they really had a lot of things
they had to solve, secondary, linebacker, O line, and they
went all in on solving the defensive line, which I
think the first couple of picks I like, But I
just think they have holes in the roster, and I think,
what's happening in the NFL, and you're seeing it now
in the NBA, the construct of the overall roster and
taking a smaller than you'd like, marginally athletic guy with
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a bad old line is trouble. Sean Payton the first
thing he did in Denver when he had Boonicks fix
the O line. Detroit, the front office goff fix the
O line. I think that. I think if you look
at Sean McVay, the only time he's lacked success the
O lines off, I think, and this is not a
shot at Rock Purtty Allen is one of one battle
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lines he'll get you to win playoff games. Lamar Jackson
probably fits into that. I've seen Patrick Mahomes twice in
Super Bulls get destroyed for one reason battle lines. And
I do not like the Niners are a Trent Williams
injury from having a bottom ten O line.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
It's just like the Chiefs were a left tackle issue
away from getting blasted in the Super Bowl twice. I
mean again, I get it. Josh Allen and Justin Herbert
are unicorns. You can't find those everywhere, but Rock perty
has more playoff wins than Lamar Jackson. Okay, I don't
want to hear the roster. Rock Perty has more playoff
comebacks in his short career than Lamar Jackson does. Like,
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you've got to get off this. He's small, he was
a seventh round pick. It just.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
All right, I'll stand down.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I know it's your stick and you've gone to but
I got some niners. Why does he hate rock Perty?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
One in six against playoff teams with Kyle Shanahan in
kind of an average division life.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Last year, everybody's heard, come on you.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Lamar never has those years, Josh never has.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
She just fails in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
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Speaker 1 (21:20):
New Bear head coach Ben Johnson. Stop by later. It's interesting.
On a day the story broke. So Seth Wickersham works
for ESPN. He's a great author, great journalist, writing a book,
author of American Kings, a biography of the quarterback, and
he talked before the draft. So Seth has had this
for a while. This is sort of what I write
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that's not sort of This is what I had talked
about before the draft, that his dad wasn't in love
with the idea of his son wanting to play for
the Bears. That dad really drove it, and so his
son is like, well, yeah, I'd rather play for Kevin O'Connell.
But his son eventually said, I don't want to go
out publicly. This is exactly what I was told by
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a source very close to Caleb Williams. And when I
reported this, like Chicago media didn't want to hear it,
but I'll just read you this. Chicago is a place
quarterbacks go to die, said Caleb's dad. Carl Williams told
Seth Wickersham, I don't want my son playing for the Bears,
Williams told several agents last year. May have been where
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I heard it. The rookie cap is just unconstitutional. So
Ryan Poles, who's still the Bears GM told Caleb's dad
were drafted them regardless, and that left one option for
Caleb Williams to publicly go out a little bit like
John Elway had done with the Baltimore Colts in the
eighties and just ripped the franchise and said I don't
want to play. And Caleb came out and said, I'm
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going to do it. I can turn this puppy around.
I've got confidence in myself. But Caleb worried about the city,
the franchise's history, he worried about Shane Waldron and their offense.
Caleb's a bright kid, He'd done his homework. He knew
what he was getting into. I have no problem with
any of it. The Bears aren't going to comment on
this stuff because all those guys, you know, the coaching
staff has gone, Shane Waldram's gone. But this is exactly
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what I was told. There was agents talking and confidence
to Caleb Williams and the dad, a businessman, you know,
kind of spearheaded it. And it's like, I don't want
my son planning for the Bears. It's a mess, and
it was, and everything worried about happened. So I think sometimes,
you know, you need people like Seth Wickersham out there
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to tell you the stories of sports. There's a lot
of phone calls being made and John Elway just said,
I'm not doing it, and the Manning family said no,
we're not doing the Chargers and Caleb didn't want to
go there and he had confidence in himself, but he
had every right to be worried about Eberflus, who was
over a skis, Shane Waldron who didn't work, and the
history of the franchise. All of those were totally legitimate concerns.
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I don't have a problem with any of them. And
I've said until recently, I think there's so much much
good offensive coaching in the league that if you go
to a team and it's really bad. Jared Goff's an example.
The coaching staff was a mess to Sean McVay. It
all worked out. I think Sam Darnold, Gino Smith and
Baker Mayfield eventually they got the right coaches, the right staff,
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the right mentor the right kingmaker, and it all worked out.
Didn't feel like it used to work that way, like
if you've got a bad opening spot. A part of
the reason that you can land with a bad staff,
which is what Caleb Williams did last year now to
a good staff, is because there's so much money to
the ownership groups now in the NFL, they'll blow out
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bad coaches much sooner than they used to. I mean,
forty million dollars to blow out a head coaching contract,
in a coordinator contract, it's a rounding air for these owners. Now,
so that's the benefit is if the coach is a stinker,
all right, let's just blow out the staff. So Caleb's
going to be fine. I think this thing's built for
him to win his coaches on next hour. But this
was all true. This is exactly what I heard, and
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I think all the con by Caleb William's father, we're legitimate.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
J McK with the news. This is the herd line
news all right.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
NFL schedule release was last night and Fox has an
amazing lineup led by Eagles at Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
In Week two rematch from the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
And the teeth the Chiefs got their teeth kicked in.
Both teams will be coming off playing early the prior week.
Eagles play on the Thursday before the Week two matchup
on Fox.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Chiefs play on the Friday, but in Brazil, so.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Technically the Eagles will probably get an extra travel day.
I like the Eagles in that game, but then again,
I don't like the Chiefs next year at all. I
know that's how can you say this about they have
Andy Reid and Mahomes Colin. I liked your opening rant
knocking the Chiefs down a peg. I don't think reality
has set in for those folks yet. And we could
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talk about Taylor Swift in the schedule, but this Fox
matchup in two is enormous and will go a long
way because we know the Chargers have fared well against
the Tiefs. If the Chargers somehow win in South Polo
and the Teats are staring at h to two against
the defending champs, that's a humongous matchup on Fox and
week two well.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And also, offensive lines are the one unit that it
just takes time. Bears offensive line I think is going
to be eventually great, but it'll probably be week twelve,
thirteen fourteen when they get Dolman and Joe Tooney and
the rookie from Boston College. It just takes time. Kansas
City week two, I mean, in week one, Kansas City's
got Khalil Mack. In week two it's the Eagles. And
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in week three, by the way, the Giants now with
Abdull Carter Dibbit on the other side, that's not a
great team. It's an elite pass rush. So the Chargers
and the Ravens pass rush JA Acts have a good
defensive front. Aiden Hodgson comes back that it's Max Crosby.
So my take is offensive lines. And by the way,
older offensive linemen no longer play in the preseason. The
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coaches don't now, and he will play some guys Bruce Arena.
Bruce Arians would do a little bit of that where
he would play some of his older guys in the preseason.
McVay won't. A lot of the young coaches won't. But
their offensive lines they got to solve that thing.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And they got.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Either elite pass rushers or great pass rushes in their
first six or seven weeks.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, and just real quick on the Chiefs before we
get back to Fox.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
So that game against.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
The Giants in week three, you see it on the screen,
that is the ultimate sandwich spot. Colin, you face the
defending Chance who destroyed you in February. And oh, by
the way, week four, you're nemesis in the playoffs, whom
you love to face. Lamar and the Ravens so they
can overlook the Giants in that spot. And as you said,
that Giants pass rush is nasty. I'm just telling you
that schedule.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Is tough talent.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Now, could we get the Fox games on the screen
real quick, because in week three there is a matchup
Cowboys at Bears on Fox.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I'm sure you'll be going to that.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Game obviously, maybe your boy, maybe I'll join you at
that one. I haven't been to a Bears game ever,
but that is a great matchup. Fox got a lot
of good games this seasons, as is to be expected.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Right. Well, what's interesting is look at who Dallas is
playing in a lot of their matchups. High powered young
athletic quarterbacks. The first Fox game, Oh it's Kayleb Williams
with Ben Johnson. The next FOXS Fox game, Jaden Daniels
with Cliff Kingsbury. The next Fox game, Oh it's Jalen
Hurt Saquon Barkley. Look at those Cowboy games the first
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and then at the end of the year, you know
they get the Giants. The first three Fox Cowboy games,
you better drop thirty points. You are facing clever coaches,
athletic quarterbacks with Dak coming off a second lower body injury,
so those Dallas matchups, you better get your offensive line fixed.
In Dallas, you are facing You could have three of
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the highest scoring NFL teams in your first three Fox games.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
And a quick note on the Eagle. I know they
won the Super Bowl and they return almost everybody on offense.
I do want to point out their offensive coordinator situation.
If you start, you guys start reading about that. It's
too early for us to drill down. But there's something
going on there. And look at their schedule is very
difficult coluing. They got to visit the Chiefs and visit
the Bills. It's one of the tougher schedules. I'm not
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saying a major pullback, but all of a sudden, I
think Washington has a chance at that division.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
I'm just putting that out there.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
It's today.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
A lot will change, all right. Next up Anthony Edwards
in the Timberwolves. They're going to the conference finals again.
Minnesota lost last year for one to Luca and Company.
Rudy Gobert was asked after last night's game about if
the team was satisfied, and Anthony Edwards jumped in, check us.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Out with all of the ups and downs that you
guys went through, that you've stayed together and you're right
back where you were last year.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Fare is no satisfaction.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, which this guy here, we haven't anything yet, so no,
he's not satisfied.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
That's exactly how it feels, you know. It's it feels
good to get to that step, but is not at all.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I think this story of this team has been the
ascension of ant but I also think it has been
the reboot of Julius Randall. He was dominant last night
and this we talked about this yesterday. You got to
give Julius Randall credit because he has been coachable, but
you got to give Chris Finch in his staff credit
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because early in the year Randall was an awkward fit.
End of the year, he's perfect. So I had Julius
Randall has and we talked about this, we always do.
He's a good player out of Kentucky when he came
to the Lakers, but when he came into the league,
Julius Randall felt like the league was changing and his
game didn't match it. Now you watch him and I'm like, oh,
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if the NBA is going to allow this physicality in
the postseason, Well, Randall's always been a bully. He is
like the Knicks. Julius Randall is built for this kind
of officiating. He is benefiting greatly. Now he can hit
threes as well, So it's a weird roster that shouldn't
work as well as it does. Young old go bear
Conley Randall. I think the staff's done a great job
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real quick.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Two things on Anthony Edwards. I know you love him
Face of the League. So Zach found this youngest players
to score one thousand points in NBA history, Colin, Anthony
Edwards is on the list, and he's in some hallowed
company here, Kobe Bryant, Tony Parker, who's a Hall of Famer,
Tatum of course, lebron kd and Anthony Edwards. Now I
bring that up, Colin, I've been percolating this hot take
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for a little bit. On Anthony Edwards, I know you've
kind of owned the face of the league corner.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
How about this one.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
In the years before Anthony Edwards got to Minnesota, they
had two playoff series wins. Kevin Garnett was the greatest
player in franchise history. I'm ready to go on record
and say Anthony Edwards, who's already accomplished more with the
Timberwolves as a team than KG, is now the greatest
player in Minnesota Timberwolves franchise history.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
This kid is young and a superstar, Colin. If they
make the finals.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
If they beat OKC, we're looking at a historic run
for Anthony Edwards and I think he's overtaken KD in
Minnesota were.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Already And the other thing is, I mean, you can
make the argument that Anthony Edwards has a better coaching staff.
And you can also make this argument like a Michael
Jordan or a Kobe Bryant as a wing player, he
handles the ball more, so the advantage. The advantage is
now you can get an occasional Kevin Durant or Wenby
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who is a big that can handle the ball, or Yannis,
but the advantage he has over Garnett is that he
got the ball in his hands all the time and
more and more. And also also, Kevin Garnett wasn't shooting three.
So what Aunt gives you, he provides you. He has
the ball in his hands more. He's a better long
range shooter in the analytic world, so there's there's no
question he should be over time a better score. Garnett
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is one of the great high school players of all time.
I think he's from Chicago, YEP. One of the great
high school players. Nobody disputes what Kevin's done, but there
isn't advance managed to be an MJ. Kobe Urant and
you got the ball in your hands all the time?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Do you see again?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Small thing? Anthony Edward the WII.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
He had his hat in that interview, jumping in to
steal a question from Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Why is Gobert dressed like a Bond villain? I don't
get that. But Anthony Edwards is basically taking over.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
He's the man right now, and I think I like
Minnesota over okay see, but we'll get there finals.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Stroy Collins is you know the Miami Heat have been
quiet for a couple of years now.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
However, two big names on the NBA market this summer,
Giannis and Kevin Durant, and according to a report out
of Miami that he are interested in making a move
on one or both players, Kevin Gard Kevin Durant is
the guy to keep an eye on. His odds to
land in Miami.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Are the fourth best.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
This would stun me. If Kevin Durant head to Miami.
I don't think they're close. But going to the East
is smart.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, going to the east with the Yannis potentially moving west.
I also think I don't think they have the AMMO
to get Yannis. I don't think they have Oklahoma City's
war chest or Houston. So if you're Miami, it's how
can we get better when we have limited resources? I mean,
they just they in pat Riley's brilliant, but they just
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don't have the AMMO that Sam Presty has in Oklahoma City. Now,
if I'm Oklahoma City, I'm not sure I'm gonna go
with Gianness. I wouldn't. I think chet Holmbren is a cheaper,
ascending version of the honest. He's not as good as Yannis,
but he'll be. He'll be an excellent by next year.
He'll be a great two. Jalen Williams Now is a two,
probably drops to a three Swiss Army Knight. But I
do think. I do think the West is getting better.
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The East will get weaker. Boston won't be nearly as
good next year. I think over the course of a
season without Tatum, they won't have Porzingis, horpor Drew Holliday.
Boston's gonna make a lot of moves. I think Durant
to Miami feels like it is a twenty six point
a game automatic catch and shoot guy without having to
give up all your draft picks for the future.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
I just don't know what. What's the seal?
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Can they make the finals with bam Adebayo and Kevin Durant?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
No, but they can be They can win a playoffs.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
If the one would.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
If I'm KD, I would send me to the Rockets.
Kevin Durant on the Rockets without losing. Aman Thompson like,
that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
I think KD is gonna be fascinating. Colin, his stock
to me is a little down.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Go tell him.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
I said that, of course, because he's very sensitive.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Note a couple of years ago. A couple of years ago,
I made a prediction. I said, and Lamar Jackson is
going to eventually replace Joe flackwin Baltimore. I said, I'm
gonna pick week eleven, and we got really lucky. It
was week eleven. So I think Shudor Sanders is eventually
this year going to be the starting quarterback for the
Cleveland Browns. And I'll give you the schedule. I'll tell you,
and I think he's going to start next.
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Speaker 1 (37:12):
So if you look at strength of schedule, the Cleveland
Browns have the second hardest schedule. So this draft they
moved down to go get a second first round pick.
So it's a very it's it's this has always been
a problem with Cleveland the owner, so this team's not
gonna win many games. They didn't love the quarterbacks in
(37:35):
this class, so they moved down to get a second pick.
They would like to get Arch Manning. The Mannings have
a history with Jimmy Haslam Tennessee guys. So Cleveland's not
gonna win a lot of games. So the question is
Jimmy Haslam Many believe forced Andrew Berry in Stefanski to
draft Shdor Sanders. They drafted Dylan Gabriel probably a round
(37:58):
or two early hoping to get out of the Shadu
or sweepstakes. So the question is, at some point, Haslam's
gonna come down and say, play Shador Sanders because this
is not a great team. So my guess is Joe
Flacco wins the starting job. He's the most NFL ready
to play.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Joe.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Joe can win you a game or two, and the
first four weeks the staff is going to tell him
Shador's not ready. Shador is not ready. My guess is
they go zher and four, maybe they go one in three.
Haslam's going to come down on Sunday, October fifth and
he says, I want Shador to play against Minnesota, and
(38:36):
the staff's going to say, we're in London, it's rough,
just give us one more week. This is we don't
want Shador having to go overseas. It's a big ask.
And so they get They stave off the owner for
a week. Flacco loses that game. I believe Shador starts Sunday,
October twelfth. If Flacco wins that game, he'll get another
(38:59):
start October twelfth against Pittsburgh and he'll win that game.
I do think he'll lose to Miami in New England.
They'll have a buy and then Shoudure the staff won't
be able to hold it off any longer. We'll play Sunday,
November ninth at the Jets. By the way, some tough
teams down the stretch for Shaduur, but I will if
you believe, and many do that. The owner, he's the
(39:21):
one that wanted Manzel, He's the one that did Deshaun Watson.
He's the one that wanted Baker Mayfield. This is an
ownership group that likes headlines at quarterbacks. Schadure is a headline.
Dylan Gabriel is not. I mean, look, we're paying attention
to the Cleveland Browns, like Jerry Jones. They love their team,
their logo, they love everything on TV. So my take
(39:41):
is Sunday, October fifth in London, after they start zero
to four, one and three, the owner's going to say
that's what I want and this, and the staff's going
to say, give us one more week. Let's not start
him in London. If Flacco loses that game, my guess
is Shaduur starts October twelfth against the Steelers. That's a
rough but it's a winnable game. If Flacco wins that game,
(40:03):
and I don't. I don't think Minnesota is going to
be very good. I think letting Sam Darnold go, they're
going to be less of a team at quarterback. I
think Seattle's gonna benefit. You know, I loved Minnesota is
going to pull back significantly with JJ McCarthy. But if
Flacco does beat Minnesota, I think he would also beat Pittsburgh,
who could have the worst quarterback room in the league,
(40:23):
and then he'd lose the next two bye week. Let's
go with a kid. So I'm gonna put it out there.
I got lucky years ago I predicted Week eleven Joe
Flacco in that ironic Joe Flacco would get seated behind
Lamar Jackson. I think it'll be either Sunday, October twelfth
or Sunday, November ninth, because the brown schedule is brutal
by any account Giants, and again, a lot of it's
(40:44):
brutal because they're not very good. A lot of the
Giants problems aren't. They're not very good. It's not like
they played teams with seventy five percent winning percentage, the
hardest schedule in the league, like the Giants. In the
Browns played teams with the winning percentage last year of
like fifty four percent, So these it just depends on
how good you're Your schedule feels a lot weaker mostly
if you have a really good quarterback and the Browns
(41:05):
don't and the New York Giants don't. J Mack, you're
looking auto right now if you had to guess J
Mack Schadere starting.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Two thousand and twenty six with another team. No, just
yeah kidding. I don't see it. I'm not seeing what
you're seeing.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
I am, however, seeing love for Dylan Gabriel, Oregon's finest quarterback.
They love him, Stefanski loves him. I think he's gonna
get all the opportunities. And frankly, Stefanski's in a great spot, Colin,
because if the owner keeps pushing Shador on him and
you don't want him, I'm gonna do my thing. I'm
gonna do what I want to do. And then when
Haslam fires him for not playing Shador, Stefansky could go
(41:42):
out and say, hey, man, I was coach of the Year.
I wanted Gabriel. He's a better fit for what we
want to do. I didn't want Shador. Blame it on
the owner and Stefanski comes out looking clean. I would
go under one and a half starts for Shador Sanders's Wow, you're.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Forgetting about the immortal Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
My friend coach Ben Jonson's gonna be stopping by next hour.
A lot of fun today. Schedule release, Warriors are done,
te Wolves moving on. Nuggets. Okay, see tonight it's the
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