July 15, 2025 • 41 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Right, here we go, hour two and a Tuesday live
in Chicago. It's the Herd. You know, Jmax. You know
this because you lived out east for a while. In
the people think of the biggest difference between the West
and the East coast when you travel. If you go
to an airport on the west, San Diego, San Francisco, Portland, Arizona, LA.
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If you go to an airport and all you can
see is sun, your plane will take off. But on
the East coast, Boston, d C. You know, it could
be Dulles, it could be Reagan, it could be it
could be JFK. It could be Newark, it could be
the rest the airport. I was at Providence. It could
be the sunniest day of the year. But there could
be a string of lightning storms in Albany and you
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can't get out of town. And so that's The difference
between travel that I forgot because I lived in Connecticut
for ten years is it has a lot of airport
delays in the summer because of the lightning storms and
the humidity. So I got back at day late. But
it's great to be here. We had a lot of
stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Actually, I'm real curious. What's that Providence airport? Like you
need an airport scale on like a zero to ten.
Are they a seven?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well it's great, great. Oh they need more food, but
it's great food. Goodbye. The whole taken off and landing
thing is good though, for sure. So okay, okay, here
we go Cooper Flag. He what a Summer League debut.
The highs, the lows, the fight. I'm here for all
of it. It lasted two games. I'll get to that
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in a second. The Summer League is a little you know,
it's fun for fans, and I think the NBA has
done a great job with Vegas. I like the highlights,
it's fun. I like watching it. I don't think you
can take a lot out of it. But there's two
things I've taken out of it. Number one, Yang Hansen,
who was called a reach when the Blazers drafted in
the middle of the first round. Yeah that, that's not
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a reach. That kid man, that is Jokic handles IQ.
They're not a lot of seven foot one twenty year
olds that elevate others. They're just trying to figure out themselves.
That kid is I mean feel, touch, it's a little
Jokic Shen Goon from Houston like, I'm sorry. That kid's
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got something. And again, NBA physicality is different. You're playing
against a lot of rotational guys in summer league. You're
guys that don't make the league. Whatever. That guy is
something else, and he showed on draft night he has
a sense of humor.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
What are some of your interests and what do you
think you'd be doing if you weren't playing basketball.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Sometimes I sleep all times on the I like play
Piga file the PS five on the I like eat.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah that that there are some things you know that
are overvalued, but touch and feel and the elevation of
other players around you. You could see that from Lebron James
in high school. You could see that very early as
Jokic was trying to refine his game as a second
round pick. This kid's got some real, some real finesse
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touch how how how does he deal with the physicality
of the NBA. That was shockingly impressive. That kid can
There is a feel that you cannot teach and that
kid has it and that's exciting. The second thing is
Cooper Flag did not need more than two games. So
I've been on this is one of my theories that
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because you get such young players in the end, like
in the NFL, you get guys that are twenty three
years old, they're men, they're developed. Jared versus a man.
He walks into the league. Jalen Carter's a man. A
Major League Baseball, you get drafted, you go to the miners,
but the time you're in the bigs, you're a man.
Same with the academies, the MLS, but in the NBA
you're dealing with seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty year old kids.
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So I've always had this theory. I would put every rookie,
every rookie on a minute's restriction and a game restriction everyone,
because in college football you go from fourteen games to seventeen.
They're twenty three years old, let them play, but college
basketball is thirty five thirty six games, much slower pace.
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Much less physical. You've got a shot clock. Okay, the
NBA is the bullet train. Even at Duke, how often
does he go up against an NBA player? So NBA
is faster, more physicality. Thirty seven games of college to
eighty two games of bullet trained basketball. I would limit
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rookies even like a Cooper flag. You're gonna play sixty
five games. You're not doing back to backs. I'm gonna take.
I want the home fans to see a lot. I'll
reward the home fans. I'm gonna give you some night
games off, some road games, excuse me, some road games off.
So I would be minute restriction for all rookies because
I think the jump from college basketball eighteen nineteen years old,
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so the severity and intensity of the NBA is too
big a leap to do eighty two games. Physical pace
of play wouldn't do it. College football is different. You're older,
your body is more refined, you're you're more of a
grown man, and you're going from fourteen games to seventeen
with a buy in between. I'm good with that. So anyway,
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that's my take. The kid in Portland, Wow, that's impressive. Okay,
so you know it is, as they call it, the
silly season. So people like me in this industry, you
could be a columnist. You're kind of trying to fill space.
So one of the things I heard over the last
week is Nick Saban is going back into college football.
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So I do not buy it, although Lane Keffen, who
knows Nick Saban well, said he does at first.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
So I have no knowledge that he's coming back. I
don't the game, but he does. I just he's so
sharp still, I almost feel like it's a waste that
he's not no disrespect to the media in what you
guys do, but his ability to coach players and change
lives in that, and he's so good at that. I
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just think going back where that's a NFL or college okay.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So I don't buy it, first of all, And I
don't know what he makes. He's probably making ten million
bucks a year to work twenty five days. He can
play a lot of golf, he can be on he
doesn't have boosters, he's not dealing with the NCAA, And
I don't think he's going to go back to begging
high school football players to come to a college campus.
I don't think Kalin de Bor is going to get fired.
Bottom line now with nil, schools don't have the money
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to buy out coaches. Lincoln Riley's not going anywhere. Caitlin
divorce is not going anywhere. You're paying twenty five million,
twenty million, fifteen million for players. You can't do those
buyouts anymore. The other thing is, so there's not going
to be that many openings, and Nick Saban's not going
to go back to Michigan State. If he's going to
an opening, he's going to a top five program. I
think college football right now is a twenty four to
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seven turnstyle of recruiting. I think it's daunting. I think
it's a young man's game. And I mean, honestly, there's
a reason Jerry Seinfeld's not going to do another sitcom.
Why seventeen years, six national titles at Alabama. The only
thing you can do is hurt your legacy. And I
was never a big believer in legacy. But when it's
as good as Nick Sabans, don't screw with it. It's
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Seinfeld doing another sitcom, don't screw with it. So, and
my thing is being a TV analyst is not as rewarding,
and there are times I think he gets frustrated. I mean,
every time I watch him on Saturdays on television, I
want more of him and less of everything else. I
could just watch Nick Saban talking college football for an hour.
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I think he's that good. But and I think maybe
he gets frustrated with that. He wants more time to
expound upon his incredible knowledge. But when he left college football,
he felt still pretty young and dynamic, and I think
he comes that way across on television. I don't think
he goes back now. I don't think it would be
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a Mac brownfield where you could see the age very quickly.
But you got to remember this now with the NIL,
there's about six schools that I mean that feel like
it's different Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia. Even if a
coach was struggling at one of those schools, how are
you going to buy him out? So you'd have to
pay for Nick at fifteen million a year and buy
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out your coach. If you looked at the buyout for
Kaitlin de Borr and Lincoln Riley, you can't do it anymore.
The boosters are paying too much money for nil. So
it used to me when you weren't paying the players
anything you'd get two or three boosters, pay thirty million
bucks and get rid of the coach. You're not doing
that anymore. So you're gonna see I mean, in my opinion,
you're gonna see fewer coaches getting fired, more players getting
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paid big money. And I don't buy. I don't buy
Nick Saban. I think there are a handful of legacies
that are too great to tamper with. Jerry Seinfeld in sitcoms.
Don't mess with it. Nick Saban coaching college football, Yeah,
don't mess with it to me. And it's also he's
very good on television, So you know what's the point?
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All right? J Mac gonna watching the All Star Game
tonight on Fox.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, very excited. It should be a good one. You know,
there's not a lot happening.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Right now in the summer other than watching soccer, which
I know you're into.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
By the way, I'm sure when you run your break
you watch USA Mexico.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I didn't listen.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Man, You take a one nothing lead and then you
just sit back. And I did not love that from Pochattino.
But there's a lot of more, a lot more soccer ahead,
shall we say, in the guess, absolutely.
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Speaker 6 (10:45):
You know, I was.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Baseball really leaned into purists for about a twenty year
period and nothing kills a sport faster or an industry
faster than leaning on like purists. And when I went
to over in May, I took my son. My son
was overseas. I met him in London and Gordon Ramsay
is the legendary chef and he's got burger places all
over London, like he could have high end French restaurants
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all over London. He knows what people like. He's a
great chef. He could do the French stuff. He could
do high end Italian and he's got multiple restaurants, so
I'm sure he has some of that. But he's got
burger joints everywhere. The late Anthony Bourdain like, where do
chefs go after their shift? They go get greasy hamburgers
because it tastes good. Like in the end, all star
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games and sports need to be fun. I mean there
there are. There are several things I love about sports.
On One of the things I love about sports is
that people look inward. They blame themselves. If they have
a batting slump. They're not going to blame the hitting coachs.
They're gonna blame themselves. Politics is all about pointing fingers
at others because you don't want to lose a primary
or a midterm, and so you never want to admit fault.
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Even if you lose an election it was rigged all
it's all posturing and projecting. Politics is the worst. It's
all blaming, it's never acknowledging, and sports is the opposite.
It's all like owning your crap. Our roster has to
get better. I have to get better. My teammates have
to get better. Our game plan has to get better.
But the thing that baseball has done recently, they've looked
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in the mirror. Robin Manfred looked in the mirror and said,
we're too precious. We have to be honest about this.
Look at the Savannah bananas. You got to be entertaining
and putting a phenom in from Milwaukee who's a six
seven kid who throws one hundred miles an hour and
using the ABS system. Let's just get it right. Let's
be entertaining. Don't worry about purists. You can open up
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a million French restaurants. Most people don't like them, and
most people can't afford them. And I tell people this
all the time about California food. It's got the best
food truck food in the world. You can go get
a chicken or a fish taco in Los Angeles. It's unbelievable.
You can put down twenty bucks get a couple and
I don't care that it's out of a truck. I
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don't care that it's outside. It tastes great. You can
go to your five star French restaurant. Don't get too precious.
Baseball's at its best when it's highly entertaining, and I
want to watch the night because of that twenty three
year old kid Jmack with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We'll start with the Philadelphia Eagles this hour, Colin. They
are coming off a rousing Super Bowl, just absolute dismemberment
of the Chiefs, and Nick Sirianni, the head coach, doesn't
want to use the word repeat. Instead, he wants to
focus on sustained success, adding resting on your laurels and
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resting on your past accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Error.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
All right, Nick, I didn't know he was dropping wisdom
bombs and all of a sudden a philosopher, Nick Sirianni.
But listen, he's made it to two Super Bowls. By
the way, what was Nick Sirianni before he partnered up
with Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 6 (13:58):
This curious telling.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Listen, he has been a bit of a revelation. I
think it does help that he's got a great owner
and the best GM in the sport. I think that
does help. And I also, you know, things have fallen
in his lap, the giants incompetence in the front office,
giving him Saquon Barkley that he's had some breaks. But
Nick serian like a lot of times. You know how
they talk about a comics comic or an actor's actor.
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There are coaches that from the outside don't play well,
but in the room they work. And I think Nick
Siriani's a guy that in the room players like him.
They buy into his message.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Wait a minute, So after they got to this first
Super Bowl, remember him and Hurts had some beef.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
There was some issues. He was like borderline hot seat
colin No.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Four.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Hurts in Saquon Barkley built him out. Well, so like,
let's not I'm not ready to say.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
He's like an elite? Is he an elite coach in
the league?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Well, I think Eric Spolstra was a better coach today
than he was his second year in the NBA. I
think everybody has. I think young people have to grow.
It's I know what I get with Nick saban as
a coach. I know now what I get with Lane Kiffin.
Lane Kiffin's first job at the Raiders mess usc still immature.
All of a sudden, he goes to Florida, grows up,
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looks in the mirror, and now Elaane Kiffin to me,
he's a top five or six coach in college football. Wow,
I mean I think I think he's a great coach,
but it's a process. So I look at Nick Sirianni
and I trust him today more than I trusted in
three years ago. Now, I do think he's he is
fairly beholden to his quarterback coordinators. Coordinators like Andy Reid
and Sean McVay, and let's be honest, Kyle Shanahan run
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through coordinators irrelevant. I think Sirianni's a little more beholden
to good coordinators. I don't think he's Andy Reider McVay
as a coach, but that's okay. Everybody's beholden to somebody
in life. Andy reads much better with Patrick Mahomes as
a quarterback than he was in Philadelphia with his quarterbacks.
So but I think there are there are actors, actors
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and comics comics where I may not think they're hysterical,
but among comics they're really respected. I think Nick works
in the room. He doesn't always work at the podium,
he doesn't always work on the sideline, but he works
in the room.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I didn't see this take coming from you, so I mean,
maybe we could do it later, but later in the
week or somewheer, but it sounds like you're bullish on
Siriani as a coach and you've seen growth in maturity.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
And you like him a lot. Do you think off
the top of your head he's a top five coach
in the league.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
No, okay, I don't think he's Sean Payton or Andy Reid, don't.
I don't think he's I don't think he's Kevin O'Connell interschematically.
But I do think he's grown. I do think he
has a great GM and solid ownership, and I think
he's figured out some things he doesn't do well much
better at the podium. I think he's mostly gotten away
from some of the juvenile, you know, kind of boorish
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silliness on the sidelines. I think he's grown up. Some
I'd said this's with Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield today is
different than Baker Mayfield seven years ago. He's grown up.
He's looked in the mirror, he's been a real adult.
He's probably at some point, either Emily or a therapist
has said, bro, you got talent. You got to get
past all the fanboy stuff like go up, and he
has now and now Baker's a top ten twelve quarterback.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
But It's interesting because Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You had as pretty clearly you think he's about ninth
best quarterback. And from my perspective, there's zero chance that
Nick Sirianni is considered a better coach than Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Is a better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I agree, just for the point.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I mean, Jalen Hursts has had a different offensive coordinator
every year he's been in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So I know you're a little lower on Hurts than
I am, But I just find it hard to believe
people would think Sirianni's an elite coach.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I don't think they do. I don't think they do.
I think it works in Philly. I don't think if
he had a really bad GM, you know, and didn't
have the stability at ownership, I don't think he would,
Like like with Jimmy has Woe in Cleveland or Jerry
Jones in Dallas, I don't. I don't think Nick Sirianni
would work. I think they'd be too much meddling and
he couldn't do his job. He's able in Philadelphia to
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just coach. I mean, just in fact, when he first
got there the first year and he was having to
call plays, and they didn't give it to Shane Styken.
He wasn't as good the minute he gave it to
Shane Stikeen. They want a heater. So I think he's
just allowed to be a CEO as a coach and
not necessarily into the schemes as much. And I think
it works.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Yeah, all right, let's go to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
So yesterday I got a little ugly Juwan Jennings came out,
mind you, this is the middle of July saying that
I'm not going to report if I don't get a
new extension and trade me.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
You know, I need money.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And well the latest twenty four hours later, he has
decided he will attend training camp next week as he
enters the final year of his contract. Jennings only making
seven and a half million dollars. Two years ago, he
had very small usage that had a great Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Remember he threw the.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Touchdown pass and caught one and he was in the
MVP discussion against the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
And then last year, I you hurt Debo in and
out of the lineup.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Jennings numbers went through the roof. He had like one
hundred and eleven targets. And this is an interesting one, Colin,
because they can't afford to lose him right now.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Deebo Samuel's going I had a question. You don't hear
anything about contracts camp from the Rams. Why are the
Niners so noisy? Every year? Kyle Shanahan's team is noisy.
You don't get any of this from Sean mcvay's team.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It could be specific to Jennings age. He's twenty eight
years old. He got into U YUK is a nightmare.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
I actually hitting up.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You can keep saying that, but then why'd you give
him a contract?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I would not have done it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I would Why are the Niners so noisy?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
This is a good point, And listen, maybe it's because
Brock Perdy just got paid and Jennings are saying, damn,
I'm twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Garrett Wilson's making all this.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I better get my big contract now before I miss
out on my window.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Like he's out. He barely made any money.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
In the Pro.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
The Rams are literally Jared Golf was going to Super Bowls.
He was invisible.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Well, they were noisy with Cooper Cup this off season
before Cup.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Was noisy and then Cooper Cup was showing the door
it was over. Yeah, But I mean me, the Niners
have become a very noisy franchise. I mean, if you
just take the wide receiver position, you debo Jennings just
that unit. It's just too much noise for me. That's
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why I have him finishing third behind the Rams on
the Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
And do you have the sweet honors in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I'm going either way depends on what stays healthy.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Oh my god, let's make that a meal wager.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
I could use a nice steak dinner. Final story con is.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
The Chicago Bears and Caleb Williams. Obviously big expectations for
your Bears. Ben Johnson has been trying to build a
winning culture, and Romadunze, the budding talent and wide receiver,
spoke to his coach's approach so far.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
He's been hard on this man, and he's been hard
on you hold everybody accountable.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
You know.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
I don't know if he heard any of the stories
about him at practice, but you know, he's straight and
he's detailed, and I love it. You know, I think
the team loves it because you know, that's the sort
of standard and kind of ability that we need to
go far. So, you know, he's very dialed in with
his offense, and he's very you know, detail oriented, and
he's very knowledgeable about you know, offenses, defenses, and the
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game of football as a whole.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
He's an offensive coach. I'm good with it. I'm literally
that's to me, the key to all this isn't any
of that. It's just he's an offensive coach and they
have to figure out if Caleb Williams can play. And
if the way to do that in this league is
with an offensive coach, you can figure out pretty quickly
if a guy can play.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
So I know that expectations are a big thing. Obviously.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Jim Harbow goes to the Chargers that make the playoffs.
What's a reasonable expectation for the Bears. If they finished
last place in the division but they're nine to eight,
is that a win?
Speaker 5 (21:43):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I think they have to battle for a playoff spot
until the final weekend or two. I think they have
to be a viable playoff ish team.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
That's your or for a rookie head coach.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That this roster's way too good, we'll be finishing in
fourth place.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Well, again, that's the toughest division in football.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
No, well, they've got more high end players in green Bay.
Who's green Bay's second best player, Josh Jacobs one, who's
their second bab fine?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Green Bay quarterback Jordan Lover But Caleb Jordan green Bay coach?
Or Ben Jonson or Laflour Lafleur, Come on, I don't
see how they're better than green.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Bay and we know that the life. If you stacked
up the ten best players Packers Bears, Bears have seven.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I might need to see her. You need to show
your work on that math assignment, gollet. Are you sure
the Bears rosters that good?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I don't I'm not saying that good. I think it's
better than green Bay's top to it, it's got more.
To win a Super Bowl, you generally have to have
like seven elite players, mostly in their prime. Mostly they
got to be close to their prime, just into it,
maybe just out of it or just left it. But
if you go look at most super Bowl champs, like
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the Eagles last year, had like nine elite players. Seven
were absolutely in their prime. They're two corners were great,
but they were both rookies are but they had about
they had a larger number than usual. Yeah, in Kansas
City a couple of years ago, I had a lower
number than usual, but they had a couple of good
corners Chris Jones, Mahomes, Kelsey, Joe Tooney. But bottom line is,
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you generally have to have seven elite players close to
their prime to win a Super Bowl core Green Bays.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah again, you know, it's the offseason. I need to
check the updated depth charts. I'm pretty sure Green Bay
had seven first round picks in the starting defense last year,
seven or eight something like that.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
They've got guys just.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
For whatever reason. Last year the injuries mounted a receiver.
That's an interesting one. So Packers or Bears, huh, Vikings
are better than both?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Right, Well, we don't know if JJ McCarthy can play.
So no, I know Caleb can play. I watched him.
He just has now he has a functional coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't know JJ McCarthy play National championship two years
so on.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
The only got Tim Tebow did? Who cares? That doesn't
mean anything.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
What is Caleb want?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Well? I watched him play last year twenty touchdowns, twenty
touchdowns and six turnovers and by the end of the
year a parking attendant was coaching the team. I mean, seriously,
j Mack.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
With the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
So A Rod and I agree on this. I would
have miss playing tonight. I have no problem with Juan
Soto playing. Is that there's an All Star Game tonight.
It's an All Star game. It's not deciding anything. It's
a celebration, you know. And I thought A Rod using
Magic and Bird as kind of metaphorically or as an
example for why he would have Juan Soto of the
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Mets playing in the All Star Game.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
I love the kid from Milwaukee.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
Bean there as we started his conversation, he's only had
five stars fined. But if this is a game of
stars and entertainment and you have partners like Fox, Juan
Soto needs to be in Atlanta because there's no one
I'd rather have on the set. And you can't tell
me there's sixty players or sixty stories more compelling than
Juan and Soda, who's had a phenomena June. He was
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a Player of the Month back in the day. I
watched Larry burdon Magic. I could care lesson if I
had a bad first half.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
Or an average progession.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
I want to see Burd and Magic in the All
Star Game every year a year and then you're out.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And I also think baseball is like golf. It's very
unique is that players do have prolonged slumps because baseball
and golf you have a lot of time off in
between shots and at bats, and it can be a
very mental sport. But I can't wait to watch this
kid pitch to night. I think it's going to be great. Six'
seven throws absolute, gas ninety nine mile an hour average.
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Pitch AND i know he's only made five, appearances But
Paul skins For pittsburgh a few, years didn't he make
The All Star game with only ten or eleven. Appearances
everybody wanted to Watch Paul skins in An All Star,
Game so it doesn't bother me at. All all, Right
Eric mangini is around the.
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Speaker 1 (26:14):
Fox SO i fashioned myself as somebody who IF i
didn't do this for a, LIVING i would want to
be A gm in THE. Nfl, NOW i you know
again that self confidence is not always worked in my.
Favor BUT i love the architecture of building. Teams my
staff makes fun of. Me i'm doing mock drafts all.
(26:35):
Day And i've always made the argument that there's only
about seven quarterbacks at any given time in The National Football.
League is IF i was A, GM i wouldn't take
a phone call on about. Seven there's also about six
to eight offensive. TACKLES i just don't think the world
produces six foot seven guys with good feet at three
hundred and thirty. Pounds so there's probably six or seven.
(26:57):
QUARTERBACKS i wouldn't even pick up the phone on maybe
seven or eight offensive. Tackles i'm not picking up the phone.
On and there's some pass rushers or defensive Lineman Jalen,
Carter Jared, Verse Miles. Garrett there's probably seven to ten defensive. Lineman,
again unique individual. TALENTS i would not pick up the phone,
on BUT i would pick up the phone if you
(27:20):
called me ABOUT. Tj watt And. Pittsburgh and with, That
Eric mangini is now JOINING Us live BECAUSE i think
he's in his, thirties AND i do think when you
do start talking about a third contract for a violent,
Position i'm going to take a phone. Call so a year,
AGO i, suggested, guys you're spending a lot of money on,
Defense i'd take calls ON. Tj. WATT i got a
(27:41):
lot of. Pushback my theory is, quarterbacks left tackles and
an occasional young defensive Lineman Jalen, Carter Jared, Verse i'm
not taking phone, calls but you hit, Thirty i'll take.
It what do you make of that? Theory SO i
would have TAKEN tja calls about a year. Ago i'm not.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
Sure IF i would take The tjwat calls or, not
especially If I'm pittsburgh And I'm pittsburgh this, season it's
not like they're loaded up offensively and that's going to
be able to carry the.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
Day when you look AT.
Speaker 11 (28:15):
Tj, watt he's had a little over thirty sacks between
the last two. Seasons every single game you have to
account form every single. Game he's the guy that offensively
you go into the room and, say, look this player
can ruin the game for, us and that has a
very powerful effect on the rest of your. Defense and
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if you want to move him, around you. Can everybody's
trying to figure out where he. Is it makes the
players around him. Better it seems like he's a good
locker room guy and a good guy. Overall and this
impasse to me is a little bit of a function
of his last.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Contract.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
COLIN i think he gave in on the last contract
and that's probably why he's so dug in at this
point on the new.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Contract did you ever have a player that you would
not take a phone call on that he was so
valuable on the field and in the room you wouldn't
take a call.
Speaker 11 (29:12):
On, Yeah, Well dureu reeves when you, know once we
saw his trajectory and the impact that he could, have he,
was you, know obviously a guy that we were didn't
matter what you offered, us we were going to make
sure that he was a jet for the long. Term,
(29:34):
now he ended up moving on AFTER i was, gone
BUT i think he changed a little bit as a
player as well and as a locker room.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Presence, well it's interesting WITH. Tj watt because he is
the soul of the. Franchise what you're saying is the
offense isn't good enough to give up on. Him AND i,
mean by the, way that's the advantage of Having, Mahomes Lamar,
Jackson Matt. Stafford you can move off A cooper cup
or you know WHAT i. Mean so to, you it
sounds like what you're saying basically is who's your? Quarterback
(30:03):
THEN i can talk about moving off star.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
Players, yeah when you've got a fairly.
Speaker 11 (30:11):
Average offense right now and then they're hoping it's going
to be better than last, season but who knows What
Aaron rodgers is going to.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Produce then you're gonna have to win on.
Speaker 11 (30:20):
Defense and when you're in a division where you've Got
lamar and you've Got Joe burrow and you've got them
twice a year and their, problems it's hard to make
the argument to the locker room of, hey we're going
to move on from the guy who's given us thirty
sacks over the last two. Years we're going to move
on from the guy who's every offense has to deal.
(30:41):
With BECAUSE i don't think they're good enough in other
areas to really have that discussion at this, point.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So Brett veetz said, recently THE gm of The chiefs
is THAT i don't worry About travis. Kelcey when the
red light goes, on he'll be. Good he may not
have it every, week he'll be. GOOD i tend to
believe That Travis kelsey has achieved so much in his
career and has so much respect in the. Room that is.
True and do you believe that that there are certain
players that it's, understood, like, listen this guy's. Old Maybe
(31:09):
Aaron donald although he didn't dip. Much but have you
found in your career that with The, patriots maybe there
are guys that you understand they're beat, up but they'll
be great the seven to twelve times a year we
need him to be.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
Great, Yeah and his numbers weren't.
Speaker 11 (31:24):
Terrible when you look at his numbers compared to the
rest of the tight end, group he still had a
pretty impressive. Season it just Wasn't Travis kelsey. Impressive so there's.
That and then when you look at his off, Season,
colum that's WHERE i struggled with him going into the last.
Year he had the, relationship he had the NEW tv,
show he had the game, show he had the. Podcast
(31:47):
he was coming off back to back shortened off season
with The Super bowl. Appearances that's a lot of stuff
going on for a guy that is that late in his.
Career and one of the THINGS i really am excited
about going into this season is he hasn't done any
of that this. Offseason it looks like he's taken some
time to, decompress to. Reload this may be his last.
(32:10):
Season there's an appreciation of. THAT i would imagine you're
going to get a different version Of Travis kelcey even
at the start of the season than we saw throughout
all of last.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Year SO nfl, scouts executives and coaches were polled about
quarterbacks AND i, said this is about as accurate a
list AS i can ever remember seeing in the last
four or five. Years so this is the people that draft,
him scout, him coach, him and the. List you, know
some people were bothered by you, Know Jalen hurts at,
(32:41):
nine but of the eight guys ahead of, HIM i
don't think he's necessarily as good in the. POCKET i
THINK iq, leadership, character, toughness, strength he's through the. Roof
is there anybody on this list that you take exception?
Speaker 8 (32:56):
With, well it's interesting, two three and. Four to, Me
colin could be a toss.
Speaker 11 (33:04):
Up and we had this discussion on first things, first
where my point, was if you Took Patrick mahomes out
of the equation and you could have all THE gms
draft any of those three, guys whether It's Alan, Burrow,
jackson a third with One, allen a Third, borrow and
a third With, jackson depending on what your offensive approach.
Was then you, know guys feel differently about each, Guy
(33:26):
but to, me that group of, three it's just what
you like and how you want to run your. Team
With Jalen hurts being where he, IS i understand that
to some degree because when you look at after he got,
paid there was a little bit of trying to get
him more on the. Marquee so it was thirty at
(33:47):
tenths the, game and it wasn't very. Good he had twenty.
Turnovers they had that, long you, know that terrible stretch
on the end the bad playoff. Game and then you
fast forward into this past. Season if you look at
those first four Games, colin they're two and two and
he's throwing the ball thirty times a. Game.
Speaker 8 (34:05):
Yep when they.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
Real him back in it's a different it's a totally different.
Equation then they start. Winning he's like a twenty to
twenty five attempt a game. Guy, yeah good, defense good running,
Game he'll make good. Decisions but if a little similar To,
deck if you try to make it all about, them
it's not going to be what you.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Want and that's why it's a.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Nine, yeah they had a week five by and they
had a philosophical, change much Like brady had first year In.
Tampa Like week, fourteen he And Bruce, Arians he's, like
we're gonna run my offense, now, coach we're seven and,
five we're gonna do it by. Way and it didn't
lose the rest of the. Way so they had a
philosophical bye week With Kellen clemens and his passing went
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down to twenty four times a game and they went
twelve and. One SO i, mean and this is not a,
criticism there are volume scorers in THE, nba and then
there are guys that are just better off being efficient.
Players luke is going to take a lot of. Shots
there's not a lot Of lucas out, there So i'm.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Kind of with.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You and by the, Way Baker mayfield at ten does
not bother me two years. Ago it, did BUT i
have them about eleven. Twelve BUT i do think that
something has happened in THE nfl coach And i've seen
this With Gino, Smith Sam darnold And Baker. Mayfield there
are so many good young offensive coaches that guys can
(35:27):
miss on their first. Franchise twenty years, ago if you
missed on your first, franchise you're in the garbage. Bin
it was over his. Quarterback that's not the case. ANYMORE
i Think baker now is a top ten twelve. Quarterback
what say?
Speaker 5 (35:40):
You?
Speaker 11 (35:41):
YEAH i absolutely, Agree and we forget we have such
a high expectation of quarterbacks coming out of college that
they're going to be great right.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Now but the reality is human beings all develop.
Speaker 11 (35:55):
At different, rates and human beings inserted into different organizations
with different coordinators and different head coaches having those experiences
that can have a dramatic impact on how quickly they
develop as. Well but as you give some of these
guys some time to get it figured out and then
they hit with the right, system well suddenly they look
(36:16):
like the guy that everybody assumed they could. Be so
so it's an impatient, league especially at quarterback and hopefully
people are learning the lessons of maybe you give these
guys a couple of extra shots down the road and
then they hit. Big it's a little bit like the New,
lottery and that's what The jets are hoping for With Justin.
Speaker 8 (36:36):
Fields.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah if you Extrapolate Justin field's numbers last year over
the course of a, season he would be like a.
Border you. Know he was ACTUALLY fourign two passer rating
was in the mid. Nineties it's, like you know, WHAT
i think your point, IS i have enough. Kids everybody
grows at a different, pace especially. Boys they mature a little,
later AND i think a lot of maturity By Baker
mayfield as he, aged he kind of grew up and
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looked in the. Mirror, OKAY i gotta throw this at.
You years, ago somebody called me and said what do
you think Of it was a college and they, said
what do you think About mangini as a, Coach AND i, said,
WELL i think he would work because he develops, players
AND i think he's not a. Barker he's a. Developer
SO i don't THINK i even told you this as
(37:19):
one of our state. DINNERS i don't know IF i
ever told you. This so somebody called anything About, MANGINI i,
SAID i would put him on a. LIST i think
he could work at. COLLEGE i don't think necessarily all
pro coaches work in. College they don't want, donors they
don't want to recruit a lot of nonsense in. College
BUT i heard a story About Nick saban coming, back
and my take, WAS i think now THE nfl is
(37:41):
better for older coaches than college. Coaches or Maybe i'm.
Wrong THE nil Help spelichick in. College if you Were
Nick saban's, advisor because he's good enough to coach pro or, college,
still would you recommend proer? College all things in transfer
portal crazy owners in THE NFL, nil would you recommend?
Speaker 11 (38:02):
Well the fact That Bill belichick is coaching college, football
to me is beyond. Believable he always to talk about
now he'd never ever coached college football because there's too
many bake sales and pep. Rallys but you know that
that landscape has it's just changed, dramatically and it's it's
gravitated towards pro. Football for, me IF i was Advising,
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NICK i would advise him to go to pro, football
because that's where he hasn't he hasn't achieved at the
same level as he has in college, football AND i
think he. CAN i think HE i Think nick in
the right organization would would be. Fantastic AND i don't
think a lot of people realize That miami Failed Drew
(38:49):
brees on his, physical you, know Or Drew brees would
have been A Miami dolphin With Nick. Saban that would
have been really interesting to see how good that team
could have. Been BUT i like the idea Of nick
going to pro football and seeing what type of impact
he can have on the game because a lot of
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the players that are coming into pro football now with nil,
money that's it's not the same distinction of guys that
there used to.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Be Eric mangini undisclosed. LOCATION i was not very far
away from you are right, now AND i got to
tell you that's good living out there where you're at right.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Now it. Is it's a beautiful, day And i'm might
head home and get a little.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Sun colin all, Right Eric mangin right, There Fox, sports
good senior coach As. Olas, YEAH i don't think IF
i Was Nick. Saban it's just, listen there's no perfect.
Job if you're in THE nfl because the owners are
now all billionaires and they've got their. Kids there's about
(39:55):
seven great owners in THE. Nfl And i'm not, joking
and there's about seven great jobs in. COLLEGE i, mean
what's a great job in? College, Georgia Ohio, State, Michigan
Notre dame With nil's doing, Well Texas Phil, Knight oregon's
pretty good.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Job you forgot About Texas, Tech.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Colin, uh, oh, yeah they're buying a bunch of. Plats
well that's a.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Jame we did a piece on it last week while you,
were you, know jet setting around the.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
Globe, Uh Texas.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Tech has a billionaire who's just basically got a.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Blank so but Then I'm i'm behold into one booster, like, no.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Thanks, WELL i, mean you, Know clemson's not even taking
wasn't even doing nil money for the longest. Time now
you got some billionaire who's just, like, yeah let's go
get the best left.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Tackle let's overpay. HIM i don't. Know Texas tech has
a squad right.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Now, listen you gotta be careful ABOUT. NIL usc has
done a lot of. Transfers LSU's and a lot of.
Transfers how's it worked? Out colorado's done a lot of transfers.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
And everybody's managing their. Money, well they're just they're just,
out you know like. That that can be.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Risky, YEAH i. Am i'm all for players getting, paid
BUT i think you should bring in maybe six guys a,
year six or seven a. Year but some of these
programs are being in twelve to fifteen a. Year chemistry
matters in.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
Spores, yeah just all.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Of a, SUDDEN i pay a receiver more than any
of my current, receivers and my current receivers won games
for me the previous, year And i'm paying a guy From.
Louisville not good for the. Room
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
All.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Right, here we go, hour two and a Tuesday live
in Chicago. It's the Herd. You know, Jmax. You know
this because you lived out east for a while. In
the people think of the biggest difference between the West
and the East coast when you travel. If you go
to an airport on the west, San Diego, San Francisco, Portland, Arizona, LA.
(00:42):
If you go to an airport and all you can
see is sun, your plane will take off. But on
the East coast, Boston, d C. You know, it could
be Dulles, it could be Reagan, it could be it
could be JFK. It could be Newark, it could be
the rest the airport. I was at Providence. It could
be the sunniest day of the year. But there could
be a string of lightning storms in Albany and you
(01:03):
can't get out of town. And so that's The difference
between travel that I forgot because I lived in Connecticut
for ten years is it has a lot of airport
delays in the summer because of the lightning storms and
the humidity. So I got back at day late. But
it's great to be here. We had a lot of
stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Actually, I'm real curious. What's that Providence airport? Like you
need an airport scale on like a zero to ten.
Are they a seven?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well it's great, great. Oh they need more food, but
it's great food. Goodbye. The whole taken off and landing
thing is good though, for sure. So okay, okay, here
we go Cooper Flag. He what a Summer League debut.
The highs, the lows, the fight. I'm here for all
of it. It lasted two games. I'll get to that
(01:45):
in a second. The Summer League is a little you know,
it's fun for fans, and I think the NBA has
done a great job with Vegas. I like the highlights,
it's fun. I like watching it. I don't think you
can take a lot out of it. But there's two
things I've taken out of it. Number one, Yang Hansen,
who was called a reach when the Blazers drafted in
the middle of the first round. Yeah that, that's not
(02:07):
a reach. That kid man, that is Jokic handles IQ.
They're not a lot of seven foot one twenty year
olds that elevate others. They're just trying to figure out themselves.
That kid is I mean feel, touch, it's a little
Jokic Shen Goon from Houston like, I'm sorry. That kid's
(02:32):
got something. And again, NBA physicality is different. You're playing
against a lot of rotational guys in summer league. You're
guys that don't make the league. Whatever. That guy is
something else, and he showed on draft night he has
a sense of humor.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
What are some of your interests and what do you
think you'd be doing if you weren't playing basketball.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Sometimes I sleep all times on the I like play
Piga file the PS five on the I like eat.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah that that there are some things you know that
are overvalued, but touch and feel and the elevation of
other players around you. You could see that from Lebron James
in high school. You could see that very early as
Jokic was trying to refine his game as a second
round pick. This kid's got some real, some real finesse
(03:34):
touch how how how does he deal with the physicality
of the NBA. That was shockingly impressive. That kid can
There is a feel that you cannot teach and that
kid has it and that's exciting. The second thing is
Cooper Flag did not need more than two games. So
I've been on this is one of my theories that
(03:56):
because you get such young players in the end, like
in the NFL, you get guys that are twenty three
years old, they're men, they're developed. Jared versus a man.
He walks into the league. Jalen Carter's a man. A
Major League Baseball, you get drafted, you go to the miners,
but the time you're in the bigs, you're a man.
Same with the academies, the MLS, but in the NBA
you're dealing with seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty year old kids.
(04:19):
So I've always had this theory. I would put every rookie,
every rookie on a minute's restriction and a game restriction everyone,
because in college football you go from fourteen games to seventeen.
They're twenty three years old, let them play, but college
basketball is thirty five thirty six games, much slower pace.
(04:39):
Much less physical. You've got a shot clock. Okay, the
NBA is the bullet train. Even at Duke, how often
does he go up against an NBA player? So NBA
is faster, more physicality. Thirty seven games of college to
eighty two games of bullet trained basketball. I would limit
(05:00):
rookies even like a Cooper flag. You're gonna play sixty
five games. You're not doing back to backs. I'm gonna take.
I want the home fans to see a lot. I'll
reward the home fans. I'm gonna give you some night
games off, some road games, excuse me, some road games off.
So I would be minute restriction for all rookies because
I think the jump from college basketball eighteen nineteen years old,
(05:23):
so the severity and intensity of the NBA is too
big a leap to do eighty two games. Physical pace
of play wouldn't do it. College football is different. You're older,
your body is more refined, you're you're more of a
grown man, and you're going from fourteen games to seventeen
with a buy in between. I'm good with that. So anyway,
(05:45):
that's my take. The kid in Portland, Wow, that's impressive. Okay,
so you know it is, as they call it, the
silly season. So people like me in this industry, you
could be a columnist. You're kind of trying to fill space.
So one of the things I heard over the last
week is Nick Saban is going back into college football.
(06:05):
So I do not buy it, although Lane Keffen, who
knows Nick Saban well, said he does at first.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
So I have no knowledge that he's coming back. I
don't the game, but he does. I just he's so
sharp still, I almost feel like it's a waste that
he's not no disrespect to the media in what you
guys do, but his ability to coach players and change
lives in that, and he's so good at that. I
(06:37):
just think going back where that's a NFL or college okay.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So I don't buy it, first of all, And I
don't know what he makes. He's probably making ten million
bucks a year to work twenty five days. He can
play a lot of golf, he can be on he
doesn't have boosters, he's not dealing with the NCAA, And
I don't think he's going to go back to begging
high school football players to come to a college campus.
I don't think Kalin de Bor is going to get fired.
Bottom line now with nil, schools don't have the money
(07:03):
to buy out coaches. Lincoln Riley's not going anywhere. Caitlin
divorce is not going anywhere. You're paying twenty five million,
twenty million, fifteen million for players. You can't do those
buyouts anymore. The other thing is, so there's not going
to be that many openings, and Nick Saban's not going
to go back to Michigan State. If he's going to
an opening, he's going to a top five program. I
think college football right now is a twenty four to
(07:25):
seven turnstyle of recruiting. I think it's daunting. I think
it's a young man's game. And I mean, honestly, there's
a reason Jerry Seinfeld's not going to do another sitcom.
Why seventeen years, six national titles at Alabama. The only
thing you can do is hurt your legacy. And I
was never a big believer in legacy. But when it's
as good as Nick Sabans, don't screw with it. It's
(07:48):
Seinfeld doing another sitcom, don't screw with it. So, and
my thing is being a TV analyst is not as rewarding,
and there are times I think he gets frustrated. I mean,
every time I watch him on Saturdays on television, I
want more of him and less of everything else. I
could just watch Nick Saban talking college football for an hour.
(08:09):
I think he's that good. But and I think maybe
he gets frustrated with that. He wants more time to
expound upon his incredible knowledge. But when he left college football,
he felt still pretty young and dynamic, and I think
he comes that way across on television. I don't think
he goes back now. I don't think it would be
(08:31):
a Mac brownfield where you could see the age very quickly.
But you got to remember this now with the NIL,
there's about six schools that I mean that feel like
it's different Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia. Even if a
coach was struggling at one of those schools, how are
you going to buy him out? So you'd have to
pay for Nick at fifteen million a year and buy
(08:52):
out your coach. If you looked at the buyout for
Kaitlin de Borr and Lincoln Riley, you can't do it anymore.
The boosters are paying too much money for nil. So
it used to me when you weren't paying the players
anything you'd get two or three boosters, pay thirty million
bucks and get rid of the coach. You're not doing
that anymore. So you're gonna see I mean, in my opinion,
you're gonna see fewer coaches getting fired, more players getting
(09:15):
paid big money. And I don't buy. I don't buy
Nick Saban. I think there are a handful of legacies
that are too great to tamper with. Jerry Seinfeld in sitcoms.
Don't mess with it. Nick Saban coaching college football, Yeah,
don't mess with it to me. And it's also he's
very good on television, So you know what's the point?
(09:39):
All right? J Mac gonna watching the All Star Game
tonight on Fox.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, very excited. It should be a good one. You know,
there's not a lot happening.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Right now in the summer other than watching soccer, which
I know you're into.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
By the way, I'm sure when you run your break
you watch USA Mexico.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I didn't listen.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Man, You take a one nothing lead and then you
just sit back. And I did not love that from Pochattino.
But there's a lot of more, a lot more soccer ahead,
shall we say, in the guess, absolutely.
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Speaker 6 (10:45):
You know, I was.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Baseball really leaned into purists for about a twenty year
period and nothing kills a sport faster or an industry
faster than leaning on like purists. And when I went
to over in May, I took my son. My son
was overseas. I met him in London and Gordon Ramsay
is the legendary chef and he's got burger places all
over London, like he could have high end French restaurants
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all over London. He knows what people like. He's a
great chef. He could do the French stuff. He could
do high end Italian and he's got multiple restaurants, so
I'm sure he has some of that. But he's got
burger joints everywhere. The late Anthony Bourdain like, where do
chefs go after their shift? They go get greasy hamburgers
because it tastes good. Like in the end, all star
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games and sports need to be fun. I mean there
there are. There are several things I love about sports.
On One of the things I love about sports is
that people look inward. They blame themselves. If they have
a batting slump. They're not going to blame the hitting coachs.
They're gonna blame themselves. Politics is all about pointing fingers
at others because you don't want to lose a primary
or a midterm, and so you never want to admit fault.
(11:52):
Even if you lose an election it was rigged all
it's all posturing and projecting. Politics is the worst. It's
all blaming, it's never acknowledging, and sports is the opposite.
It's all like owning your crap. Our roster has to
get better. I have to get better. My teammates have
to get better. Our game plan has to get better.
But the thing that baseball has done recently, they've looked
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in the mirror. Robin Manfred looked in the mirror and said,
we're too precious. We have to be honest about this.
Look at the Savannah bananas. You got to be entertaining
and putting a phenom in from Milwaukee who's a six
seven kid who throws one hundred miles an hour and
using the ABS system. Let's just get it right. Let's
be entertaining. Don't worry about purists. You can open up
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a million French restaurants. Most people don't like them, and
most people can't afford them. And I tell people this
all the time about California food. It's got the best
food truck food in the world. You can go get
a chicken or a fish taco in Los Angeles. It's unbelievable.
You can put down twenty bucks get a couple and
I don't care that it's out of a truck. I
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don't care that it's outside. It tastes great. You can
go to your five star French restaurant. Don't get too precious.
Baseball's at its best when it's highly entertaining, and I
want to watch the night because of that twenty three
year old kid Jmack with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We'll start with the Philadelphia Eagles this hour, Colin. They
are coming off a rousing Super Bowl, just absolute dismemberment
of the Chiefs, and Nick Sirianni, the head coach, doesn't
want to use the word repeat. Instead, he wants to
focus on sustained success, adding resting on your laurels and
(13:41):
resting on your past accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Error.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
All right, Nick, I didn't know he was dropping wisdom
bombs and all of a sudden a philosopher, Nick Sirianni.
But listen, he's made it to two Super Bowls. By
the way, what was Nick Sirianni before he partnered up
with Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 6 (13:58):
This curious telling.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Listen, he has been a bit of a revelation. I
think it does help that he's got a great owner
and the best GM in the sport. I think that
does help. And I also, you know, things have fallen
in his lap, the giants incompetence in the front office,
giving him Saquon Barkley that he's had some breaks. But
Nick serian like a lot of times. You know how
they talk about a comics comic or an actor's actor.
(14:22):
There are coaches that from the outside don't play well,
but in the room they work. And I think Nick
Siriani's a guy that in the room players like him.
They buy into his message.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Wait a minute, So after they got to this first
Super Bowl, remember him and Hurts had some beef.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
There was some issues. He was like borderline hot seat
colin No.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Four.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Hurts in Saquon Barkley built him out. Well, so like,
let's not I'm not ready to say.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
He's like an elite? Is he an elite coach in
the league?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Well, I think Eric Spolstra was a better coach today
than he was his second year in the NBA. I
think everybody has. I think young people have to grow.
It's I know what I get with Nick saban as
a coach. I know now what I get with Lane Kiffin.
Lane Kiffin's first job at the Raiders mess usc still immature.
All of a sudden, he goes to Florida, grows up,
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looks in the mirror, and now Elaane Kiffin to me,
he's a top five or six coach in college football. Wow,
I mean I think I think he's a great coach,
but it's a process. So I look at Nick Sirianni
and I trust him today more than I trusted in
three years ago. Now, I do think he's he is
fairly beholden to his quarterback coordinators. Coordinators like Andy Reid
and Sean McVay, and let's be honest, Kyle Shanahan run
(15:37):
through coordinators irrelevant. I think Sirianni's a little more beholden
to good coordinators. I don't think he's Andy Reider McVay
as a coach, but that's okay. Everybody's beholden to somebody
in life. Andy reads much better with Patrick Mahomes as
a quarterback than he was in Philadelphia with his quarterbacks.
So but I think there are there are actors, actors
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and comics comics where I may not think they're hysterical,
but among comics they're really respected. I think Nick works
in the room. He doesn't always work at the podium,
he doesn't always work on the sideline, but he works
in the room.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I didn't see this take coming from you, so I mean,
maybe we could do it later, but later in the
week or somewheer, but it sounds like you're bullish on
Siriani as a coach and you've seen growth in maturity.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
And you like him a lot. Do you think off
the top of your head he's a top five coach
in the league.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
No, okay, I don't think he's Sean Payton or Andy Reid, don't.
I don't think he's I don't think he's Kevin O'Connell interschematically.
But I do think he's grown. I do think he
has a great GM and solid ownership, and I think
he's figured out some things he doesn't do well much
better at the podium. I think he's mostly gotten away
from some of the juvenile, you know, kind of boorish
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silliness on the sidelines. I think he's grown up. Some
I'd said this's with Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield today is
different than Baker Mayfield seven years ago. He's grown up.
He's looked in the mirror, he's been a real adult.
He's probably at some point, either Emily or a therapist
has said, bro, you got talent. You got to get
past all the fanboy stuff like go up, and he
has now and now Baker's a top ten twelve quarterback.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
But It's interesting because Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You had as pretty clearly you think he's about ninth
best quarterback. And from my perspective, there's zero chance that
Nick Sirianni is considered a better coach than Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Is a better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I agree, just for the point.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I mean, Jalen Hursts has had a different offensive coordinator
every year he's been in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So I know you're a little lower on Hurts than
I am, But I just find it hard to believe
people would think Sirianni's an elite coach.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I don't think they do. I don't think they do.
I think it works in Philly. I don't think if
he had a really bad GM, you know, and didn't
have the stability at ownership, I don't think he would,
Like like with Jimmy has Woe in Cleveland or Jerry
Jones in Dallas, I don't. I don't think Nick Sirianni
would work. I think they'd be too much meddling and
he couldn't do his job. He's able in Philadelphia to
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just coach. I mean, just in fact, when he first
got there the first year and he was having to
call plays, and they didn't give it to Shane Styken.
He wasn't as good the minute he gave it to
Shane Stikeen. They want a heater. So I think he's
just allowed to be a CEO as a coach and
not necessarily into the schemes as much. And I think
it works.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Yeah, all right, let's go to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
So yesterday I got a little ugly Juwan Jennings came out,
mind you, this is the middle of July saying that
I'm not going to report if I don't get a
new extension and trade me.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
You know, I need money.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And well the latest twenty four hours later, he has
decided he will attend training camp next week as he
enters the final year of his contract. Jennings only making
seven and a half million dollars. Two years ago, he
had very small usage that had a great Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Remember he threw the.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Touchdown pass and caught one and he was in the
MVP discussion against the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
And then last year, I you hurt Debo in and
out of the lineup.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Jennings numbers went through the roof. He had like one
hundred and eleven targets. And this is an interesting one, Colin,
because they can't afford to lose him right now.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Deebo Samuel's going I had a question. You don't hear
anything about contracts camp from the Rams. Why are the
Niners so noisy? Every year? Kyle Shanahan's team is noisy.
You don't get any of this from Sean mcvay's team.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It could be specific to Jennings age. He's twenty eight
years old. He got into U YUK is a nightmare.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
I actually hitting up.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You can keep saying that, but then why'd you give
him a contract?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I would not have done it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I would Why are the Niners so noisy?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
This is a good point, And listen, maybe it's because
Brock Perdy just got paid and Jennings are saying, damn,
I'm twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Garrett Wilson's making all this.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I better get my big contract now before I miss
out on my window.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Like he's out. He barely made any money.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
In the Pro.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
The Rams are literally Jared Golf was going to Super Bowls.
He was invisible.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Well, they were noisy with Cooper Cup this off season
before Cup.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Was noisy and then Cooper Cup was showing the door
it was over. Yeah, But I mean me, the Niners
have become a very noisy franchise. I mean, if you
just take the wide receiver position, you debo Jennings just
that unit. It's just too much noise for me. That's
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why I have him finishing third behind the Rams on
the Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
And do you have the sweet honors in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I'm going either way depends on what stays healthy.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Oh my god, let's make that a meal wager.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
I could use a nice steak dinner. Final story con is.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
The Chicago Bears and Caleb Williams. Obviously big expectations for
your Bears. Ben Johnson has been trying to build a
winning culture, and Romadunze, the budding talent and wide receiver,
spoke to his coach's approach so far.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
He's been hard on this man, and he's been hard
on you hold everybody accountable.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
You know.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
I don't know if he heard any of the stories
about him at practice, but you know, he's straight and
he's detailed, and I love it. You know, I think
the team loves it because you know, that's the sort
of standard and kind of ability that we need to
go far. So, you know, he's very dialed in with
his offense, and he's very you know, detail oriented, and
he's very knowledgeable about you know, offenses, defenses, and the
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game of football as a whole.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
He's an offensive coach. I'm good with it. I'm literally
that's to me, the key to all this isn't any
of that. It's just he's an offensive coach and they
have to figure out if Caleb Williams can play. And
if the way to do that in this league is
with an offensive coach, you can figure out pretty quickly
if a guy can play.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
So I know that expectations are a big thing. Obviously.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Jim Harbow goes to the Chargers that make the playoffs.
What's a reasonable expectation for the Bears. If they finished
last place in the division but they're nine to eight,
is that a win?
Speaker 5 (21:43):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I think they have to battle for a playoff spot
until the final weekend or two. I think they have
to be a viable playoff ish team.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
That's your or for a rookie head coach.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That this roster's way too good, we'll be finishing in
fourth place.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Well, again, that's the toughest division in football.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
No, well, they've got more high end players in green Bay.
Who's green Bay's second best player, Josh Jacobs one, who's
their second bab fine?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Green Bay quarterback Jordan Lover But Caleb Jordan green Bay coach?
Or Ben Jonson or Laflour Lafleur, Come on, I don't
see how they're better than green.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Bay and we know that the life. If you stacked
up the ten best players Packers Bears, Bears have seven.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I might need to see her. You need to show
your work on that math assignment, gollet. Are you sure
the Bears rosters that good?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I don't I'm not saying that good. I think it's
better than green Bay's top to it, it's got more.
To win a Super Bowl, you generally have to have
like seven elite players, mostly in their prime. Mostly they
got to be close to their prime, just into it,
maybe just out of it or just left it. But
if you go look at most super Bowl champs, like
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the Eagles last year, had like nine elite players. Seven
were absolutely in their prime. They're two corners were great,
but they were both rookies are but they had about
they had a larger number than usual. Yeah, in Kansas
City a couple of years ago, I had a lower
number than usual, but they had a couple of good
corners Chris Jones, Mahomes, Kelsey, Joe Tooney. But bottom line is,
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you generally have to have seven elite players close to
their prime to win a Super Bowl core Green Bays.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah again, you know, it's the offseason. I need to
check the updated depth charts. I'm pretty sure Green Bay
had seven first round picks in the starting defense last year,
seven or eight something like that.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
They've got guys just.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
For whatever reason. Last year the injuries mounted a receiver.
That's an interesting one. So Packers or Bears, huh, Vikings
are better than both?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Right, Well, we don't know if JJ McCarthy can play.
So no, I know Caleb can play. I watched him.
He just has now he has a functional coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't know JJ McCarthy play National championship two years
so on.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
The only got Tim Tebow did? Who cares? That doesn't
mean anything.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
What is Caleb want?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Well? I watched him play last year twenty touchdowns, twenty
touchdowns and six turnovers and by the end of the
year a parking attendant was coaching the team. I mean, seriously,
j Mack.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
With the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
So A Rod and I agree on this. I would
have miss playing tonight. I have no problem with Juan
Soto playing. Is that there's an All Star Game tonight.
It's an All Star game. It's not deciding anything. It's
a celebration, you know. And I thought A Rod using
Magic and Bird as kind of metaphorically or as an
example for why he would have Juan Soto of the
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Mets playing in the All Star Game.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
I love the kid from Milwaukee.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
Bean there as we started his conversation, he's only had
five stars fined. But if this is a game of
stars and entertainment and you have partners like Fox, Juan
Soto needs to be in Atlanta because there's no one
I'd rather have on the set. And you can't tell
me there's sixty players or sixty stories more compelling than
Juan and Soda, who's had a phenomena June. He was
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a Player of the Month back in the day. I
watched Larry burdon Magic. I could care lesson if I
had a bad first half.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
Or an average progession.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
I want to see Burd and Magic in the All
Star Game every year a year and then you're out.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And I also think baseball is like golf. It's very
unique is that players do have prolonged slumps because baseball
and golf you have a lot of time off in
between shots and at bats, and it can be a
very mental sport. But I can't wait to watch this
kid pitch to night. I think it's going to be great. Six'
seven throws absolute, gas ninety nine mile an hour average.
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Pitch AND i know he's only made five, appearances But
Paul skins For pittsburgh a few, years didn't he make
The All Star game with only ten or eleven. Appearances
everybody wanted to Watch Paul skins in An All Star,
Game so it doesn't bother me at. All all, Right
Eric mangini is around the.
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Speaker 1 (26:14):
Fox SO i fashioned myself as somebody who IF i
didn't do this for a, LIVING i would want to
be A gm in THE. Nfl, NOW i you know
again that self confidence is not always worked in my.
Favor BUT i love the architecture of building. Teams my
staff makes fun of. Me i'm doing mock drafts all.
(26:35):
Day And i've always made the argument that there's only
about seven quarterbacks at any given time in The National Football.
League is IF i was A, GM i wouldn't take
a phone call on about. Seven there's also about six
to eight offensive. TACKLES i just don't think the world
produces six foot seven guys with good feet at three
hundred and thirty. Pounds so there's probably six or seven.
(26:57):
QUARTERBACKS i wouldn't even pick up the phone on maybe
seven or eight offensive. Tackles i'm not picking up the phone.
On and there's some pass rushers or defensive Lineman Jalen,
Carter Jared, Verse Miles. Garrett there's probably seven to ten defensive. Lineman,
again unique individual. TALENTS i would not pick up the phone,
on BUT i would pick up the phone if you
(27:20):
called me ABOUT. Tj watt And. Pittsburgh and with, That
Eric mangini is now JOINING Us live BECAUSE i think
he's in his, thirties AND i do think when you
do start talking about a third contract for a violent,
Position i'm going to take a phone. Call so a year,
AGO i, suggested, guys you're spending a lot of money on,
Defense i'd take calls ON. Tj. WATT i got a
(27:41):
lot of. Pushback my theory is, quarterbacks left tackles and
an occasional young defensive Lineman Jalen, Carter Jared, Verse i'm
not taking phone, calls but you hit, Thirty i'll take.
It what do you make of that? Theory SO i
would have TAKEN tja calls about a year. Ago i'm not.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
Sure IF i would take The tjwat calls or, not
especially If I'm pittsburgh And I'm pittsburgh this, season it's
not like they're loaded up offensively and that's going to
be able to carry the.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
Day when you look AT.
Speaker 11 (28:15):
Tj, watt he's had a little over thirty sacks between
the last two. Seasons every single game you have to
account form every single. Game he's the guy that offensively
you go into the room and, say, look this player
can ruin the game for, us and that has a
very powerful effect on the rest of your. Defense and
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if you want to move him, around you. Can everybody's
trying to figure out where he. Is it makes the
players around him. Better it seems like he's a good
locker room guy and a good guy. Overall and this
impasse to me is a little bit of a function
of his last.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Contract.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
COLIN i think he gave in on the last contract
and that's probably why he's so dug in at this
point on the new.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Contract did you ever have a player that you would
not take a phone call on that he was so
valuable on the field and in the room you wouldn't
take a call.
Speaker 11 (29:12):
On, Yeah, Well dureu reeves when you, know once we
saw his trajectory and the impact that he could, have he,
was you, know obviously a guy that we were didn't
matter what you offered, us we were going to make
sure that he was a jet for the long. Term,
(29:34):
now he ended up moving on AFTER i was, gone
BUT i think he changed a little bit as a
player as well and as a locker room.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Presence, well it's interesting WITH. Tj watt because he is
the soul of the. Franchise what you're saying is the
offense isn't good enough to give up on. Him AND i,
mean by the, way that's the advantage of Having, Mahomes Lamar,
Jackson Matt. Stafford you can move off A cooper cup
or you know WHAT i. Mean so to, you it
sounds like what you're saying basically is who's your? Quarterback
(30:03):
THEN i can talk about moving off star.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
Players, yeah when you've got a fairly.
Speaker 11 (30:11):
Average offense right now and then they're hoping it's going
to be better than last, season but who knows What
Aaron rodgers is going to.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Produce then you're gonna have to win on.
Speaker 11 (30:20):
Defense and when you're in a division where you've Got
lamar and you've Got Joe burrow and you've got them
twice a year and their, problems it's hard to make
the argument to the locker room of, hey we're going
to move on from the guy who's given us thirty
sacks over the last two. Years we're going to move
on from the guy who's every offense has to deal.
(30:41):
With BECAUSE i don't think they're good enough in other
areas to really have that discussion at this, point.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So Brett veetz said, recently THE gm of The chiefs
is THAT i don't worry About travis. Kelcey when the
red light goes, on he'll be. Good he may not
have it every, week he'll be. GOOD i tend to
believe That Travis kelsey has achieved so much in his
career and has so much respect in the. Room that is.
True and do you believe that that there are certain
players that it's, understood, like, listen this guy's. Old Maybe
(31:09):
Aaron donald although he didn't dip. Much but have you
found in your career that with The, patriots maybe there
are guys that you understand they're beat, up but they'll
be great the seven to twelve times a year we
need him to be.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
Great, Yeah and his numbers weren't.
Speaker 11 (31:24):
Terrible when you look at his numbers compared to the
rest of the tight end, group he still had a
pretty impressive. Season it just Wasn't Travis kelsey. Impressive so there's.
That and then when you look at his off, Season,
colum that's WHERE i struggled with him going into the last.
Year he had the, relationship he had the NEW tv,
show he had the game, show he had the. Podcast
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he was coming off back to back shortened off season
with The Super bowl. Appearances that's a lot of stuff
going on for a guy that is that late in his.
Career and one of the THINGS i really am excited
about going into this season is he hasn't done any
of that this. Offseason it looks like he's taken some
time to, decompress to. Reload this may be his last.
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Season there's an appreciation of. THAT i would imagine you're
going to get a different version Of Travis kelcey even
at the start of the season than we saw throughout
all of last.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Year SO nfl, scouts executives and coaches were polled about
quarterbacks AND i, said this is about as accurate a
list AS i can ever remember seeing in the last
four or five. Years so this is the people that draft,
him scout, him coach, him and the. List you, know
some people were bothered by you, Know Jalen hurts at,
(32:41):
nine but of the eight guys ahead of, HIM i
don't think he's necessarily as good in the. POCKET i
THINK iq, leadership, character, toughness, strength he's through the. Roof
is there anybody on this list that you take exception?
Speaker 8 (32:56):
With, well it's interesting, two three and. Four to, Me
colin could be a toss.
Speaker 11 (33:04):
Up and we had this discussion on first things, first
where my point, was if you Took Patrick mahomes out
of the equation and you could have all THE gms
draft any of those three, guys whether It's Alan, Burrow,
jackson a third with One, allen a Third, borrow and
a third With, jackson depending on what your offensive approach.
Was then you, know guys feel differently about each, Guy
(33:26):
but to, me that group of, three it's just what
you like and how you want to run your. Team
With Jalen hurts being where he, IS i understand that
to some degree because when you look at after he got,
paid there was a little bit of trying to get
him more on the. Marquee so it was thirty at
(33:47):
tenths the, game and it wasn't very. Good he had twenty.
Turnovers they had that, long you, know that terrible stretch
on the end the bad playoff. Game and then you
fast forward into this past. Season if you look at
those first four Games, colin they're two and two and
he's throwing the ball thirty times a. Game.
Speaker 8 (34:05):
Yep when they.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
Real him back in it's a different it's a totally different.
Equation then they start. Winning he's like a twenty to
twenty five attempt a game. Guy, yeah good, defense good running,
Game he'll make good. Decisions but if a little similar To,
deck if you try to make it all about, them
it's not going to be what you.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Want and that's why it's a.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Nine, yeah they had a week five by and they
had a philosophical, change much Like brady had first year In.
Tampa Like week, fourteen he And Bruce, Arians he's, like
we're gonna run my offense, now, coach we're seven and,
five we're gonna do it by. Way and it didn't
lose the rest of the. Way so they had a
philosophical bye week With Kellen clemens and his passing went
(34:50):
down to twenty four times a game and they went
twelve and. One SO i, mean and this is not a,
criticism there are volume scorers in THE, nba and then
there are guys that are just better off being efficient.
Players luke is going to take a lot of. Shots
there's not a lot Of lucas out, there So i'm.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Kind of with.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You and by the, Way Baker mayfield at ten does
not bother me two years. Ago it, did BUT i
have them about eleven. Twelve BUT i do think that
something has happened in THE nfl coach And i've seen
this With Gino, Smith Sam darnold And Baker. Mayfield there
are so many good young offensive coaches that guys can
(35:27):
miss on their first. Franchise twenty years, ago if you
missed on your first, franchise you're in the garbage. Bin
it was over his. Quarterback that's not the case. ANYMORE
i Think baker now is a top ten twelve. Quarterback
what say?
Speaker 5 (35:40):
You?
Speaker 11 (35:41):
YEAH i absolutely, Agree and we forget we have such
a high expectation of quarterbacks coming out of college that
they're going to be great right.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Now but the reality is human beings all develop.
Speaker 11 (35:55):
At different, rates and human beings inserted into different organizations
with different coordinators and different head coaches having those experiences
that can have a dramatic impact on how quickly they
develop as. Well but as you give some of these
guys some time to get it figured out and then
they hit with the right, system well suddenly they look
(36:16):
like the guy that everybody assumed they could. Be so
so it's an impatient, league especially at quarterback and hopefully
people are learning the lessons of maybe you give these
guys a couple of extra shots down the road and
then they hit. Big it's a little bit like the New,
lottery and that's what The jets are hoping for With Justin.
Speaker 8 (36:36):
Fields.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah if you Extrapolate Justin field's numbers last year over
the course of a, season he would be like a.
Border you. Know he was ACTUALLY fourign two passer rating
was in the mid. Nineties it's, like you know, WHAT
i think your point, IS i have enough. Kids everybody
grows at a different, pace especially. Boys they mature a little,
later AND i think a lot of maturity By Baker
mayfield as he, aged he kind of grew up and
(36:58):
looked in the. Mirror, OKAY i gotta throw this at.
You years, ago somebody called me and said what do
you think Of it was a college and they, said
what do you think About mangini as a, Coach AND i, said,
WELL i think he would work because he develops, players
AND i think he's not a. Barker he's a. Developer
SO i don't THINK i even told you this as
(37:19):
one of our state. DINNERS i don't know IF i
ever told you. This so somebody called anything About, MANGINI i,
SAID i would put him on a. LIST i think
he could work at. COLLEGE i don't think necessarily all
pro coaches work in. College they don't want, donors they
don't want to recruit a lot of nonsense in. College
BUT i heard a story About Nick saban coming, back
and my take, WAS i think now THE nfl is
(37:41):
better for older coaches than college. Coaches or Maybe i'm.
Wrong THE nil Help spelichick in. College if you Were
Nick saban's, advisor because he's good enough to coach pro or, college,
still would you recommend proer? College all things in transfer
portal crazy owners in THE NFL, nil would you recommend?
Speaker 11 (38:02):
Well the fact That Bill belichick is coaching college, football
to me is beyond. Believable he always to talk about
now he'd never ever coached college football because there's too
many bake sales and pep. Rallys but you know that
that landscape has it's just changed, dramatically and it's it's
gravitated towards pro. Football for, me IF i was Advising,
(38:26):
NICK i would advise him to go to pro, football
because that's where he hasn't he hasn't achieved at the
same level as he has in college, football AND i
think he. CAN i think HE i Think nick in
the right organization would would be. Fantastic AND i don't
think a lot of people realize That miami Failed Drew
(38:49):
brees on his, physical you, know Or Drew brees would
have been A Miami dolphin With Nick. Saban that would
have been really interesting to see how good that team
could have. Been BUT i like the idea Of nick
going to pro football and seeing what type of impact
he can have on the game because a lot of
(39:10):
the players that are coming into pro football now with nil,
money that's it's not the same distinction of guys that
there used to.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Be Eric mangini undisclosed. LOCATION i was not very far
away from you are right, now AND i got to
tell you that's good living out there where you're at right.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Now it. Is it's a beautiful, day And i'm might
head home and get a little.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Sun colin all, Right Eric mangin right, There Fox, sports
good senior coach As. Olas, YEAH i don't think IF
i Was Nick. Saban it's just, listen there's no perfect.
Job if you're in THE nfl because the owners are
now all billionaires and they've got their. Kids there's about
(39:55):
seven great owners in THE. Nfl And i'm not, joking
and there's about seven great jobs in. COLLEGE i, mean
what's a great job in? College, Georgia Ohio, State, Michigan
Notre dame With nil's doing, Well Texas Phil, Knight oregon's
pretty good.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Job you forgot About Texas, Tech.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Colin, uh, oh, yeah they're buying a bunch of. Plats
well that's a.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Jame we did a piece on it last week while you,
were you, know jet setting around the.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
Globe, Uh Texas.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Tech has a billionaire who's just basically got a.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Blank so but Then I'm i'm behold into one booster, like, no.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Thanks, WELL i, mean you, Know clemson's not even taking
wasn't even doing nil money for the longest. Time now
you got some billionaire who's just, like, yeah let's go
get the best left.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Tackle let's overpay. HIM i don't. Know Texas tech has
a squad right.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Now, listen you gotta be careful ABOUT. NIL usc has
done a lot of. Transfers LSU's and a lot of.
Transfers how's it worked? Out colorado's done a lot of transfers.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
And everybody's managing their. Money, well they're just they're just,
out you know like. That that can be.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Risky, YEAH i. Am i'm all for players getting, paid
BUT i think you should bring in maybe six guys a,
year six or seven a. Year but some of these
programs are being in twelve to fifteen a. Year chemistry
matters in.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
Spores, yeah just all.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Of a, SUDDEN i pay a receiver more than any
of my current, receivers and my current receivers won games
for me the previous, year And i'm paying a guy From.
Louisville not good for the. Room
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