May 22, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin talks to NBA Champion Channing Frye broke down the big Pacers win and told Colin wakes makes Tyrese Haliburton so special
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Thursday.
If you did not watch the NBA last night, we
went out to some bougie restaurant, or you're out playing softball,
I feel bad for you.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
That was one on one.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Now. The Western Conference Finals doesn't have the energy to
light up a dim light bulb, but the Eastern Conference
Finals are insane, and I gotta say I'll defend. I
did it earlier. I'm gonna defend you know the choke
signed by Tyrese Halliburn. I don't think you can ask
world class athlete to train for these moments. They're getting
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heckled for three hours by the New York Knick fans.
We can show it again and then ask them to
be nuanced and subtle after they hit shots, Like, guys,
we gotta be fair in the media. These athletes are amazing.
No crowd is in your face like the New York crowd.
This doesn't bother.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Me at all.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The funny part is he thought he won the game.
Here's Rick Carlisle as coach.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
After players can do what they want, you know, and
it's it's it's an emotional thing. It's it's not a
big deal. This time of year. You you want to
go into the most hostile, the most difficult environments and
and and test your metal Tire's is earning the right
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do what ever he wants.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
The other thing is one of my favorite things about
going to NBA games. I try to get good seats.
The players will talk to you, The players will communicate
with you. I mean, if you in New York, if
you're doing a little trash talk and you know the
players hear it. Hockey, you've got the glass NFL, you're
miles away. Baseball maybe in the on deck circle. You
can kind of communicate in basketball, so occasionally players are
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going to let you know they heard you, and they're
going to throw it right back at you. So it
didn't bother me at all. And I've talked about the
WNBA the last couple of days I've said, listen, basketball
is performative of all the sports in the world. The
NFL is corporate. Baseball's individualistic, Basketball's art No two great
players shoot the same way. They all have different games.
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Your game is your game, and there's real artistry to it.
You are improvisers and creators. And you know, I expect
my artists to have a little flair in the NFL.
That would be weird looking in baseball, it would feel
inappropriate in basketball. I'm good with it. And with that,
Channing Fry, who started his career in New York where
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Nicks is now joining a fly Man teen years in
the NBA, that was I don't even That's just crazy.
So how do you view? Like I said, I think
basketball players are artists. Like I've always said, you all
got your quirky mannerisms and idiosyncratic styles.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
What do you make a HALLI Burton in the Choke.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
First of all, Tyres is one of the nicest human
beings ever. I think when I think when he got
voted most overrated person, I think that was a problem.
There was a time when the Pacers were playing the
Calves in that the crowd started chanting overrated and Donovan.
Mitchell was telling them be quiet, like the players like
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stop it, and.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
He went off.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I text Tyrese and I said, hey, you are garbage
the first three quarters, and then all of a sudden
you go into the phone booth and come out like Superman.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
It's unbelievable. The plays that he does.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I wouldn't have ever had to wherewithal you know, most
players in that situation would take the two because they're like, oh,
I just want.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
To you know, we'll tie the game up.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
He had a wide open layup, turned his back, looked
at the other clock, found the three point line sort of,
and then shot a three over Mitchell Robinson, who's a
seven foot dude who has the longest.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
Arms, you know, and look at this like this is
the layup right here, and he goes nope and shot
that for game. It's like, you cannot make this up.
I played with a lot of great players.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I don't know four of the greatest players that I
played with that would have shot that shot. But like
the belief that he has in himself and his team
that they have. I thought the Pacers in that fourth
quarter they dismantled the Knicks by being a better team
where the Knicks had a better player in Brunton, right.
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I think Og was the only one who shot a
shot in the last five minutes that fourth quarter into
overtime where the Pacers everyone had to play Obie Topp
and Nice Smith went.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Absolutely who was that was that?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Ni?
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Curry like it was? But it was? It was so good,
so good Channing.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You know who he does remind me of I said
this an hour ago. His self awareness, his ability to
score but elevate others. He reminds me of a guy
who played with Steve Nash. Nash won an MVP, averaging
fifty in the game, came back the next year when
another MVP averaging eighty. Everybody's like, well, wa wait, you
can't win. No, no, no, yes you can. Everybody played
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their best ball. But Nash, who's one of the smartest
guys I've ever met. I mean, like in and out
of sports, Nash had this self awareness. Nash had this
I know, he can drive people crazy. He had the
self awareness to know the tempole, the score, who was weak,
who was in foul. Tra was like a good quarterback.
He knew your soft spot and he would attack it.
And so I to me, Hallie's got a little nashing him.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
I think he has a lot. I think he has
a lot.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I think he is the only star in our league
that can be a star and score ten points a game.
Like he can have ten points and he can dominate
the whole game. I think he's the only one like that.
He is a true pass first point guard. And if
he wasn't that way, the Pacers would not be who
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they are. Like if the Pacers had Brunson, I don't
think they would be the Pacers. The fact that everyone
of their starters scored in that fourth quarter in over time,
the fact that everyone when they go on a run,
everyone knows where the ball's going. They believe in their culture,
the fact that they stood pat really didn't bring anyone
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in last year or this year and just said, hey,
we went to the Eastern Conference finals, let's run his back.
Their belief in each other is crazy. It is because
Halliburn is never playing with his ego. He's playing with
the fire to win games. So like there are games
where sometimes he's gonna.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Have two points. Now, is that a bad game for him?
For sure? But they can still win with him scoring
two points because.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
He's doing this all game, he's not he's not pressuring,
but when.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
It's time to win, they all look to him to
make a play.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
And I think we no one brought this up, but
like even when they beat the Bucks, you know, there's
no way Tyre's halliburt And I texted, I told him
this on the phone.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I said that a week old left.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
To right crossover shouldn't have got past nobody. And you
go pass Janis and to Takoumpo and lay that ball
up in his face. For game Jannis is a top
five defender in the league, and how does you with
no muscles, a weird looking jump shot get by him
and do this? He goes, I don't know, man, I
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just be I just gotta do what I gotta do.
And so you know, for me, I think there's gonna
be a great series. Obviously the game one was nuts.
It's gonna come down to the next defense. And can
the Pacers continually.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Play that pace? Well, look at that paces play the
pace in this series.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I'm curious to see the changes the Knicks make the
next game.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, I said last night, Brunson has forty three, but
he had seven turnovers and he got in early foul trouble,
and I said, it's almost like being a typist that
types fifty words a minute, and Haliburton made Brunson type
seventy words a minute, and he he was I felt like,
even though he got the points, I don't think it's
one of the great Jalen Brunson games because he had
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more turnovers.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Last night than he had all year.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And I really thought the story of the game is
that it was Indy five hundred and that's not the
Knick style. And I Indy got them to play exactly
like they wanted, and Brunson kind of said, ok I'll
do this. Maybe it's vanity ego, I get it, but
like I'm like, Okay, if you're gonna play that way,
then you have to win that game in regulation in
New York.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
You can't lose that game.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I think one thing we're not taking into account is
was that fourth quarter they started double team Bruntson aggressively.
Remember he had got trapped in the back court and
he just threw the ball. If Siakam was in the
right place, that would have been a turnover. They double
teamed him, but he fell down. He got a foul
when he gets double teamed. He is very uncomfortable in
these situations. And look how many players they put like that,
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that's a simple double team. Look at this another double team.
So like to me, their offense stalled out.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
In that fourth quarter. And here's the real coming to
Jesus moment.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
They are hunting hunting him and Cat in screening roles. Yea,
it is wild to watch. You look at the clip.
Every time Nie Smith made a three, it was except
for one at the end of the game with Josh
Smith and Mitchell, which they should have switched, which is
a stupid mistake. A dude who has seventeen points and
they're running a specific play for him.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Switch, let Obi Toppen shoot a three.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Anybody else with the dude who's hot, So like that
was a mental error. But they are going at Cat
and I don't know if you saw the clip of
Og yelling at Cat after you know he just laid
on that screen. That's gonna be a problem because now
the three things the Pacers did that game is they
found out Runson gets in foul trouble and turns the
ball over when you aggressively double team one two. Kat
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does not want to move his feet end of game,
he's exhausted.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Yeh three.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
If you go at Brunson, he stalls the offense out
in that fourth quarter because they can't run a screen
and roll with him anymore.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Because he's uncomfortable getting double team.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
So if you notice those clips, he's going one on
one in Nie Smith and them Hard and Shepherd and
Halli Burdon and Siakam.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
All those dudes are taking turns guarding him.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
So at six on one and he's exhausted and no
one else is touching the ball, they need to play
him as Steph Curry in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Instead of Brunson.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
So he's throw the ball the cat, run some away
screens get him to run towards the ball.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
But is he comfortable doing that? And can the next
win play in that game? We'll see. I'm very curious
to see how it works. You know.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It's so chanting.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Fry joining us for already audience, one of my favorite
people that covers this league and talks about it.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So in New York is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Jordan had some of his best games there, Kobe had
some of his best games there. I mean, Halliburton is
having the time of his life. New York's a weird
place that it inspires the great players, even though it's
a home court advantage you play. You started your career there.
Take my audience too. I remember watching Big East games
there and I'm like, this is crazy. Tell me take
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my audience to playing as a Nick as an opponent
in Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It feels different to me.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
So, you know, the college experience is that when you're
a really good player or a really good team, the
opposing team booju the whole time. When you go to
the garden, it's like being in a center of like
you you're a gladiator. You're winning the crowd over And
that's the problem. That's the problem because if you start hooping,
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they the oohs and ohs are like it. It gets
you even more adrenaline. And the Knicks fans have so
much basketball knowledge that if you do some good they'll
they'll be.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Like, dang, that's a good shot, man. That's tough, where.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Other fans are like boo, whatef you when you suck.
They're not saying that. So if you start doing well,
it's a problem because all of a sudden.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
You're feeding on their adrenaline.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
You're feeding on shutting them up, and as a Knicks player,
you have to each game win the fans back over.
So it's not like you could just walk on the
court and be loved. It's you can walk on the court,
mister first four. And Tracy Morgan's like, stop shooting the ball,
your big dummy. You're like, wait, I just had forty
last game. So to me, it is the greatest place
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to play basketball. And I promise if anyone has an
opportunity to go watch basketball or even you know, hockey there.
It is so historic, so beautiful. But yet it's not
a regular arena. No, you are playing like at the
park where they may talk crap to you. You could
talk crap to them, but if you start cooking, look
at think about what Tray Young. Trey Young pokes at
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them all the time, and they react to it because
it's a it's a movie, it's theater. It's yeah, it
encompasses like the New York attitude of who's gonna give
me the best show? They dim the lights on the
in the in the stadium so you just focus on
the court.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
It's it's a it's you know, I'm getting goosebumps. Talking
about it. It is such a great opportunity to play there.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Well, it starts with Rucker Park, it goes to Broadway,
it goes to the Big East Tournament, it goes to
New York. New Yorkers are very well versed on great
and they appreciate it. Oh yeah, listen. I always said
about New York. I didn't love the traffic, I didn't
love the weather. I loved the people. The people are
seven people pizza or who they love their Okay, let's go.
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Let's go to Minnesota, Oka see like like they here's
the thing with Aunt And I think this is a
reality of the modern player, Like there was never a
timement with Michael Jordan. I can remember the Utah finals.
Mike shot like thirty three times, made seven. Mike went
down swinging like sometimes with Tatum or sometimes with Aunt.
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I'm like, bro, thirteen shots, Like what's going on? I
think the modern player, they're all rich and it's a
more collaborative world. And sometimes like when the shots don't fall,
like guys are like okay, I'm I'm not gonna and
I just I grew up with Michael and it says
like now Michael didn't have that he was gonna take
the shots.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Kobe was gonna take the shots.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Could I argue with Aunt that he's not forceful enough
at times?
Speaker 6 (14:54):
No, I think the rules are different.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
When Mike won the ball back in the nineties, the
the three seconds, they he could go play one on
one and if he missed.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
He missed.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Now, if you notice Okac's defense, they basically put their
best on ball defenders, so they're up in ants Josstrap.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
They force him to drive into help. Look at this.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Look how many people are technically guarding him on that
play alone? He had four different people. Look what does
he see right there? So what does he see? Look,
he's being double team triple teams. Like this is what
I think people don't understand about. Okay, see double teams
right there. They are making him. They do such a
good job of making players have early pickups and throw
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the ball these lot passes while guys are just shooting
passing lanes. It's it's absolutely gorgeous to watch them play.
I think Ant doesn't want to settle for threes because
that's the only thing they're giving up.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
They're like, we'll give you threes.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
We've seen you go zero for eleven and for him,
he doesn't have lanes until his win a game.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Ant is gonna have problems finding lanes to attack the rim,
so he wants to play good basketball. Okac is forcing.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Him to trust his teammates, right, And this is the
attitude that I've seen in the first game. There's one
player on Minnesota that could beat us, and we're not
gonna let you play basketball. Anybody else can try and
beat us, but we believe in our others more than
your others.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
And it worked.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
And so Aunt, let's say he does shoot thirty times,
how many of those are.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Gonna be near the rim? Not very many. There gonna
be twenty nine threes.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
He just he just It's like in today's game, if
you don't have movement, if you're a great one on
one guy the way Okac plays defense, you're not comfortable.
You're not getting to your spot because even if one
guy gets foul trouble, Oh oh, Lou Dorg gets in
foul trouble.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Oh, here go Caruso, Here go Isaiah, Joe.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
He goes Ga, he goes Look how many different people
and like even this play right here, the wherewithal for
that team to stay to fan out right, not help
and let check play at one on one is just
their one conscious mind and one.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Thing to notice for the next game or tonight.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Watch how many guys when big men are around, you
know how guards usually go over the top. Watch how
many times they swipe down and don't go for the block.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
They allow Hartenstein and Chet to.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Be tall while they swipe the ball and make the
guy don't have a straight line to go shoot. And
I'll give you an example. It is like remember when Jr.
Or swiped at Andre Guodala so he didn't have a
dunk during the twenty sixteen finals and.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
He had to go shoot that layup.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
So he knew not to foul, but he just wanted
Andre to you know, kind of avoid him, and it
gave Lebron an opportunity to get that block.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
They do this all game long.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
It is like such a mind meld to see their
discipline on defense.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
I mean, okay, see is my to win it all?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I just don't see anybody that has a big man
that can take advantage of them inside and.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
They kick out with threes. Is really don't wait to
beat him.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
But like Lord had mercy, poor poor Minnesota. They get
there are others that you're gonna need to shoot the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
All right, let's end with this. Clippers are a well
run organization. Lawrence Frank is a smart guy. But Sam
Presty stole SGA from them. I remember when he was
in Kentucky and came out. I didn't think he was
the best Kentucky player. He's a combination of like eight
percent Keiky vandaway nine percent Alex English. You know, he's
a different player that initiates contact contact. He doesn't have
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like a loophole move like James Harden. He just he's
just one of these guys that may not jump out.
I mean, obviously he's a great player, but I mean
Sam Presty kind of stole him. Are you surprised by
how dominant he has become?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Did you see it seven years ago?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Man, Well he was on the Clippers. I remember being
in the back going yo. That dude is good when
he gets his opportunity. I thought he would be a
perennial All Star. But what Shaye does that is great.
And people take this, don't take this into account. Watch
how many times he puts two feet in the paint
so like, his aggression is so constant and continuous. Like
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every single one of these clips, he puts two feet
in the paint and gets look at look at his aggression.
So we're clipping saying, oh, he's foul bating. Who goes
to the hole more than him? I don't know very
many people that constantly go to the hole as much
as he does. So let's say he goes to the
hole one hundred times, he gets fouled twenty.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Where other people go the hole twenty times, they get
fouled five.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
It's just the way their system is, the way that
they have shooters. They spread the floor. But he's a
willing passer and they have good shooters. So like his
job is to just get to the paint, just get
to the paint, and man if he just looks at
the game, so specifically he works on a certain part.
Does his shoulders get a little bigger so now he
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can bump better? Is his footwork better? Is this, you know,
right to left better? Does he like to go left?
Does he like to go right? He's looked at this
every single year and dissected his game.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
And so you know, you're.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Talking about hoopers and guys who are psycho. He is
psycho and that's why he's a VP.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, he's a bit obsessed. I mean I always say
this about Brady. Brady was the best quarterback mechanically I've
ever seen. And it allowed Brady to be the best
cold weather snowthrower I've ever seen. Wasn't because he had
the biggest arm. His mechanics were impervious to weather. His
literally his torque, his shoulders, his feet. I mean, Tom
was obsessed. He practiced falling instead of getting sacked. And
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that's as Jay watching. You're watching an artist who has
honed his craft. That's that's what he's done. Okay, Now,
Channing Fry, you're so good at this, my man. You
gave us twenty minutes. O.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Thank you. I appreciate it. And you didn't have to
have you. We're gonna have you back soon, buddy, anytime
you want. Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
You have a good day, all right, Channing Fry, great stuff.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I mean when you watch SGA, that's a pro. You
can be a landscaper, you could be a quarterback, you
could be an attorney.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
That is a pro.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That is a guy has worked meticulously on his game,
and Channing Fry really breaks it down well.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
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Speaker 1 (21:29):
By the way, Pittsburgh Steelers owner Art Rooney the Second
who said on April first, the Steelers will not wait
forever for Aaron Rodgers, delivered a similar line on his
way out of Wednesday's owner meetings. He said, We're gonna
wait a little while longer. I'll say the same thing.
And there are people who are relatively close to Aaron
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Rodgers who think he will be a Steeler. He's got
some stuff going on in his personal life. A very
dear friend apparently has cancer, so Aaron's working on some
per stuff. I kind of see the Steelers as a
third place team regardless. Regardless, I think I think Cleveland
is going all in next year to get arch manning.
They'll finish fourth. I think the Ravens are clearly the
best team. Cleveland's clearly the worst. I'll go with Joe
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Burrow over the quarterback situation. But that's the latest on
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
J Mack with the News, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
This is the Herd Line news, all.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Right, Colin, We've got more Indiana Pacers Nicks fall out.
This one's interesting. So last night, as the Pacers deliver
one of the most amazing comebacks in playoff history, Caitlin Clark,
Indiana Fever point guard and huge fan of the Pacers,
tweeted out, Pacers are the greatest comeback team I've ever seen. Colin,
this is the third time in the playoffs they've had
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an amazing comeback in the final minute. Here's the stat.
Our team came up with NBA teams where zero wins,
nine hundred and seventy losses went down by fourteen or
more in the final two to fifty of regulation in
the playoffs over the last twenty seven years, zero wins.
The Pacers just did something just mind blowing. And of
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course Tyrese Haliburton's dad, who's been banned from arenas because
of the incident with Giannis. You remember he was seen
at a bar doing the choke sign. And now we've
got Charles Barkley, your buddy. Here's Halliburton's dad doing the
choke sign. This guy's a character. Barkley's down campaigning to
get him back in the arena. I'm not rocking with
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Charles on that one. But I can't get enough of this,
even as a Knicks fan. I think it's just thematic watching.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think Indiana, because of their pace
of play, is built to come from behind. I think
the Warriors, when they had Katie Stephan Clay, fifteen points
was not a thing they could catch up in a
big third quarter. So I just think certain teams are
built to come from behind. We talked about this all
the time. There are certain NFL teams that are built
to win a certain way. The Chargers last year did
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not have the dynamic perimeter players. If they got down,
they were in trouble, and you know, and then so
I think Baltimore for years has a team that plays
downhill better than uphill. So I just think I think
Indiana's I think they're a handful. I think they can
play with a lead, that can play play trailing and
they have now forced three different teams Milwaukee, the Cabs,
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and the Knicks to play their tempo.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
Yeah, it should be a fun series. Colin the next story, Listen,
I don't want to get in an argument with you.
It's a Thursday. We both have big weekend plans. But
we're gonna have to talk about SDA and this free
throw merchant stuff, all right. I know people at this
network and other networks are really like defending SDA. Colin
Jaden McDaniels shined in. Okay, he's the guy who got called.
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He fouled out with some nonsense calls against Sea, including
that one you just saw on this sleek Jada McDaniels.
We expected it myself, knowing coming in he gets calls.
Not everything is gonna go our way. Nothing we can
do about it.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Now.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
The big narrative online has been We'll wait a minute, guys,
look at the most fouls drawn this postseason, and our
staff has got it here. Okay, on the surface, it
looks like, oh wait, SGA doesn't.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Go to the line a lot.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
But Colin, you know what I like to do, right.
I think it was in like fourth grade, I kept
arguing with my teacher and a back to school night,
the teacher told my parents Jason he might be a lawyer.
So Colin, I looked at these numbers and I said, hmm, interesting,
I wonder if minutes played has anything.
Speaker 9 (25:25):
To do with it.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
You know, Brunson's been in two overtime games. SGA's had
some massive blowouts, wouldn't you know it. Brunson has played
sixty five more minutes in the playoffs than SGA. That's
more than a full game. So obviously he's gonna go
to the line much more than SGA. People can argue
at all they want, Colin I had an ESPN reporter
on my podcast yesterday talking about this, and he was
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front row for Thunder and Wolves, and he's saying, listen,
I haven't seen calls like this since, like Alan Iberson
with the point guard getting every whistle because he's tiny
and drives. At some point, the refs are gonna have
to swallow the whistle because it's getting accessed.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, it's not a good one.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Well, I mean if I always said that Shack was
fouled twice as often as the refs called because he
was so big that you could hit Shack and it
wouldn't matter. So Shack actually was fouled much more than
the whistles. SGA is so slight that sometimes a touch
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and a little bit of his performative movement makes it
look like it fell.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Some of this stuff like flopping.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
D Wade was always a player that could elicit foul
free throws, So some of this I just give credit
to SGA. Now, I did think there was one whistle,
probably two whistles where it was a little over the top.
But I would say this, I think Brunson gets a
friendly whistle. Harden got it for years. I think Yo
Kids gets the whistle, but more than any player SGA.
(26:55):
I'm going to credit the player, not debit the refs.
I think he knows what he's doing, and I think
his slight frame where the average NBA players play six
y six, you know, two thirty one. You know, he's whatever,
he is, sixty six, one ninety eight, So it's like
a lean receiver. Any contact initiated appears to be far
(27:16):
more physical or punitive than it is. And he's good
at kind of acting and leaning into it.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
It's good funny you mentioned acting. There's reports out there
that he's been working on his flopping with Drake and
some other Canadian guys. I think Justin Bieber like these
actors from Kenner and teaching him how to flop and flail.
And I will add this. Some fans pointed out a
video from Game one where remember Anthony Edwards, where Lebron
came down the court and Ant was just shoving him.
You told me on air, you love that. Anthony Edwards
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did that to SDA in Game one and got called
for a foul, Like we can't have that.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
College, No, but Lebron.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Lebron is two sixty SGA is one ninety three, so
it is different.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
You know again, it's.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Jokich gets fouled more than people think because he weighs
two seventy. So that's the downside to being a huge
person that contacts. You can't see it with him, You
see every bump.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
I need consistency, my friend. That's what I need. Like
you delivering on the show every damn day. I want
that from my NBA referees. The final story is Garrett Wilson.
We haven't wedged the Jets into the show.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
In a minute.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
He's gonna be on his third quarterback in his many
years with the Jets, and now Justin Fields is his guy.
Aaron Glenn has said the team's offensive goals to get
Wilson the ball, and that will not happen unless the
quarterback and receiver have a great friendship. Thankfully, this is
not their first go route Wilson and Fields obviously played
together at Ohio State. Here they are talking about their friendship.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
He trust me, I'll trust him.
Speaker 10 (28:44):
Just trying to get the best out of each other,
and yeah, that goes back, you know, five six years now.
So for me, I know exactly what he can do
right and I still think the world's got to see it.
And that's a beautiful thing about this. You know, we
all got something to prove on his team. You know,
we haven't done nothing yet. I know, we all got
that chip on our shoulder, like you know, we haven't
done that yet because we haven't.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, I'm gonna wait to see.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I think I feel bad for Justin Fields in one aspect.
He got a defensive coach in Chicago, he got a
defensive coach and culture in Pittsburgh. He gets a defensive
coach and culture in New York. I think there are
very few players that can get the wrong coach or
the wrong culture and succeed. I mean, let's say Sean
McVay never shows up and it's Jeff Fisher into another
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defensive coach. Jared Goff doesn't have that nice house in
Hermosa Beach. Like the reality is with very few exceptions
where you land and who you get connected to, like
Jade and Daniels would have been successful, no question in
my mind. But Cliff Kingsbury and Terry McLaurin really helped.
That really helped.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
I agree. I would counter with the positive that Fields
has is the guy before him would go on a
weekly radio show and talk about conspiracy theories and Doctor
Fouci and nonsense like that. I'll be honest, I haven't
heard a word from Justin Fields. Have you? Do you
see him on social media? Is he out and about
talking about what's going on the strip?
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
No, Look, the only problem I've ever had with Justin
Fields is like Zach Wilson, I question whether he sees
the field great, like they're open players that he miss
great kid, good size, good arm, moves well, he checks
like eight boxes. But this league that this league. Belichick's
talked about this with Brady. Tom would look to the
(30:35):
left and complete a pass and yet would know what
was on the field in the right. Never moved his
head there. Certain players have a field. Jayden Daniels has
a feel for the position. It's insane. He literally is
better on a blips as a rookie in bad weather,
trailing late like that doesn't make any sense. And some
guys never see the field. With Justin I feel like
(30:56):
with Zach Wilson, I'm like, dude, I just don't know
if he sees open players. Well the other do you
remember the.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Coach I'm not gonna say it obviously on air who
came into the studio probably two years ago and was
on a staff with Fields in the NFL and said
Fields would be like, what show up one minute before
the team meeting and he would have a zodie on
and he would slouch and he didn't look in gage
like a franchise quarterback should. I'm just hoping that was
young Justin Fields, and we'll get to see a more
(31:21):
mature one in New York who is a first guy in,
last guy out, all the stuff you need from a leader,
because the Jets they don't have a leader on that team.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Called No, they don't. J mckle the news.
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Speaker 1 (33:01):
By the way, I saw this story again, a person
familiar with the negotiations of the USC noted AIME game
said quote, it would be a strategically bad decision if
USC backed out of it.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
SC knows how we feel.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's an executive, I would say at NBC Sports because
they get an automatic rating. Of course, a television executive
wants them to play. But again, USC gets seventy five
million annually now minimum from the Big Ten. They don't
need the game, and the Big Ten last year was
the best conference in the country. The SEC has great programs,
but often in small rural markets. Alabama's struggling to keep
(33:42):
up in the nil Oklahoma will LSU has. Ohio State's not,
Michigan's not, Oregon's not us.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
He's not like Penn State's not.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So the reality is USC's looking at it thinking, you know,
we'll do a one year deal and weigh it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
USC got to break the last couple years.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
They didn't play Ohio State or Oregon yet, and they're
still struggling transitioning to a cold weather conference. And Notre Dame,
by the way, they need it. They only play five
conference games. I mean, last year Notre Dame lost an
early game as a favorite, and we were talking about
they can't get into the playoff because their.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Schedule is so weak.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Ohio State lost early to Oregon and late to Michigan,
and we're like, of course they get in. They beat
good teams like Penn State. So there's a big difference
here us. He didn't need it financially. USC's in the
toughest conference. USC is a harder schedule, and USC is
saying let's just do it on a year by year basis.
Notre Dames plays five conference games and now they play
(34:44):
in a conference that's the weakest. That's why Notre Dame
just signed a twelve year deal with Clemson because they
need games like Clemson, they need USC.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
When you're in the Big Ten, you don't need anything.
I mean, that's why I.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Give great credit to Ohio State willing to play Texas.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
They don't have to.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
They got too many teams on their schedule, so and
it's not just playing Notre Dame. Let's say you play
Notre Dame November seventh in South Bend, then you fly
all the way home, and then the next week you
have Penn State. You're walking into a two game losing streak.
It's not just playing physical Notre Dame. You want your schedule.
(35:24):
You want to get back home, which you only get
every other year. You want to get back in the sun.
You don't want these long East coast road trips. That's
the downside to the backpack twelve Big ten alliance is
I mean, you've got games now. You could have Penn
State flying all the way out to Oregon, coming home,
then going all the way out to UCLA. These are
(35:45):
college kids. So I'm going to defend USC in the
Pac twelve. Why not outside of Oregon maybe Utah, Washington.
You know, we'll take that Notre Dame game. We'll take
it's our big long road trip of the year in
the US. SE's now getting four and five long road trips.
I mean you look at a net perdues in Indiana,
(36:06):
then they go to Illinois and then they're at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Then they're back on.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
A flight to Nebraska. That's a lot of trouble that
doesn't count the playoff. So this thing now is all.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
About the playoff.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Of course, a television executive, presumably at NBC doesn't like it,
but I listen very Michigan Notre Dame used to play.
It was a huge game and there were some unbelievable classics,
and now they don't and the sport's okay, Oklahoma Nebraska
used to play the big rating last year in the
regular season or the highest rated game.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Wasn't it Uga in Texas? They never played.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
It was the highest rated game. So I'm not saying
that rivalries don't matter. Ohio State and Michigan need to
play Texas. Oklahoma's really cool, Auburn.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
In Alabama.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It just feels like the Iron Bowl should be played Mississippi,
Mississippi State. Notre Dame played Michigan, they moved on. I
like the game, but I get USC's point of view.
How many long road trips do we want to go on?
Look at Notre Dame schedule open up at Miami, Texas,
A and m I mean they got Boise States in there,
(37:18):
they got they got a lot of doubles here, they
got Navy in there. They are hunting for bigger games,
and so I'm gonna I'm gonna side with the USC
on this. And for the record, now, Notre Dame is
recruiting because they have a great coach and Marcus Freeman.
They're recruiting at a national level. You really want on
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your schedule before the playoff starts, Penn State, Ohio State, Oregon, Washington,
before we get to the playoffs, they had Notre Dame
into it. Again, Notre Dame, wherever it is in the schedule.
You know, it's one thing if you could open with
Notre Dame every year, that's a whole different ball.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I could have that discussion, you're not throwing that thing.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You're not throwing that ninety eight mile an hour on
the hands on me in November twenty first, when I
got the buck, guys the following week or whoever. Okay,
we had Channing Fry on earlier. So listen, I'm not
saying it wasn't a little bit of a meltdown, but
I think a lot of what we saw last night.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Charles Barkley talked about it.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
The pace of play was going to benefit the longer
the game went on and the longer the series went on,
and so we saw this with Oklahoma City and Denver.
Denver played a starting five and a couple of rotational players.
At the end of about three or four of those
games in the Okay See Denver series, Denver looked tired.
That's what I think happened. I think some of this
was you wanted to get into a track meet. Well,
(38:40):
one team is built for a track meet. And Josh
Hart after the game talked about that meltdown by the Knicks.
Speaker 9 (38:50):
I feel we defensively, we didn't have we let off
the gas. The intensity of physicality wasn't there. Authentively, we
were playing slower blow a stagnant and look like we
were playing out to lose. So we got to make sure,
you know, we don't make that mistake again again.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Did they let their foot off the gas or were
they gassed? And I, like I've said before, there are
certain teams play certain ways. The Pacers play the fastest
pace in the league three years in a row. The
Knicks have played the slowest pace in the league two
years in a row. And I think New York is
built you can you can still win games. Like I said,
(39:31):
there's ways the New York Knick should have won that
game to show fifty un percent. But I don't think
over the course of time. I think Cleveland found this
out like Milwaukee found it out in the first game
of the series. It's like, oh, we can't keep I
remember the first game.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Was a blowout.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
You're like Milwaukee realized very quickly, Oh, we can't play
at this pace. Then Cleveland didn't have Darius Garland for
the first game or two, and they're like, oh, yeah,
we can't play at this pace without.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Our full staff.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I think New York last night it was fun, it's electric,
but I think it's very odd that was the way
the Pacers would love the series to look.
Speaker 8 (40:03):
I mean, I gotta disagree. So Colin, they had like
five days off I believe between games, right Celtics, and
then the game won. They led by sixteen in the
fourth quarter. Yeah what Brunston goes out with his fifth foul,
which was a dumb foul. His fourth and fifth were
really dumb, and I'm like, oh man, I'm so nervous,
and they go on a fourteen nothing run, Like they
led by sixteen with like seven minutes left. It. I
(40:27):
don't know that it was a melt so much as
a oh my gosh. The Pacers just could not miss.
They hit six three pointers to end the game. Now,
I don't know why the Knicks were playing drop coverage,
and I think Channing Frye made a good point for
some reason, Karl Anthony Townsend, everybody's sagging off Nismith, Like,
why are you giving him that much room? You see
on the screen he just hit four threes? Can you
(40:47):
get up in his grill? Like that's the only way
you lose the game on an't disappointing from the Knicks,
But I'm gonna call it a fluke.
Speaker 9 (40:53):
Is that is that?
Speaker 8 (40:54):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, you can call whatever you want. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I don't think it's a choke. I don't think I
think something. Listen, we do this in our business. If
somebody loses their bums the New York Knicks, I mean that,
she's just what we do. Like, let's give the Pacers credit.
And the New York Knicks played a really good basketball game.
First of all, the first quarter was absolutely you should
go back on YouTube and watch the first quarter. Nobody
missed like it was just like what is going on?
Speaker 6 (41:21):
It was?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
It was aau basketball you were just sitting around going
great shot. Oh that was a great shot. Oh that
was a better shot. Like every guy was putting on
a sho I mean it was. It was, and one
tour every guy was putting on a clinic. So it's
one of the best nights of basketball. It was a
great three hours to sit in front of a TV
and watch an all time classic. Little envy with the
people that were there.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Thursday.
If you did not watch the NBA last night, we
went out to some bougie restaurant, or you're out playing softball,
I feel bad for you.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
That was one on one.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Now. The Western Conference Finals doesn't have the energy to
light up a dim light bulb, but the Eastern Conference
Finals are insane, and I gotta say I'll defend. I
did it earlier. I'm gonna defend you know the choke
signed by Tyrese Halliburn. I don't think you can ask
world class athlete to train for these moments. They're getting
(01:03):
heckled for three hours by the New York Knick fans.
We can show it again and then ask them to
be nuanced and subtle after they hit shots, Like, guys,
we gotta be fair in the media. These athletes are amazing.
No crowd is in your face like the New York crowd.
This doesn't bother.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Me at all.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The funny part is he thought he won the game.
Here's Rick Carlisle as coach.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
After players can do what they want, you know, and
it's it's it's an emotional thing. It's it's not a
big deal. This time of year. You you want to
go into the most hostile, the most difficult environments and
and and test your metal Tire's is earning the right
(01:48):
do what ever he wants.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
The other thing is one of my favorite things about
going to NBA games. I try to get good seats.
The players will talk to you, The players will communicate
with you. I mean, if you in New York, if
you're doing a little trash talk and you know the
players hear it. Hockey, you've got the glass NFL, you're
miles away. Baseball maybe in the on deck circle. You
can kind of communicate in basketball, so occasionally players are
(02:12):
going to let you know they heard you, and they're
going to throw it right back at you. So it
didn't bother me at all. And I've talked about the
WNBA the last couple of days I've said, listen, basketball
is performative of all the sports in the world. The
NFL is corporate. Baseball's individualistic, Basketball's art No two great
players shoot the same way. They all have different games.
(02:34):
Your game is your game, and there's real artistry to it.
You are improvisers and creators. And you know, I expect
my artists to have a little flair in the NFL.
That would be weird looking in baseball, it would feel
inappropriate in basketball. I'm good with it. And with that,
Channing Fry, who started his career in New York where
(02:56):
Nicks is now joining a fly Man teen years in
the NBA, that was I don't even That's just crazy.
So how do you view? Like I said, I think
basketball players are artists. Like I've always said, you all
got your quirky mannerisms and idiosyncratic styles.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
What do you make a HALLI Burton in the Choke.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
First of all, Tyres is one of the nicest human
beings ever. I think when I think when he got
voted most overrated person, I think that was a problem.
There was a time when the Pacers were playing the
Calves in that the crowd started chanting overrated and Donovan.
Mitchell was telling them be quiet, like the players like
(03:43):
stop it, and.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
He went off.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I text Tyrese and I said, hey, you are garbage
the first three quarters, and then all of a sudden
you go into the phone booth and come out like Superman.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
It's unbelievable. The plays that he does.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I wouldn't have ever had to wherewithal you know, most
players in that situation would take the two because they're like, oh,
I just want.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
To you know, we'll tie the game up.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
He had a wide open layup, turned his back, looked
at the other clock, found the three point line sort of,
and then shot a three over Mitchell Robinson, who's a
seven foot dude who has the longest.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
Arms, you know, and look at this like this is
the layup right here, and he goes nope and shot
that for game. It's like, you cannot make this up.
I played with a lot of great players.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I don't know four of the greatest players that I
played with that would have shot that shot. But like
the belief that he has in himself and his team
that they have. I thought the Pacers in that fourth
quarter they dismantled the Knicks by being a better team
where the Knicks had a better player in Brunton, right.
(04:55):
I think Og was the only one who shot a
shot in the last five minutes that fourth quarter into
overtime where the Pacers everyone had to play Obie Topp
and Nice Smith went.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Absolutely who was that was that?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Ni?
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Curry like it was? But it was? It was so good,
so good Channing.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You know who he does remind me of I said
this an hour ago. His self awareness, his ability to
score but elevate others. He reminds me of a guy
who played with Steve Nash. Nash won an MVP, averaging
fifty in the game, came back the next year when
another MVP averaging eighty. Everybody's like, well, wa wait, you
can't win. No, no, no, yes you can. Everybody played
(05:37):
their best ball. But Nash, who's one of the smartest
guys I've ever met. I mean, like in and out
of sports, Nash had this self awareness. Nash had this
I know, he can drive people crazy. He had the
self awareness to know the tempole, the score, who was weak,
who was in foul. Tra was like a good quarterback.
He knew your soft spot and he would attack it.
And so I to me, Hallie's got a little nashing him.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
I think he has a lot. I think he has
a lot.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I think he is the only star in our league
that can be a star and score ten points a game.
Like he can have ten points and he can dominate
the whole game. I think he's the only one like that.
He is a true pass first point guard. And if
he wasn't that way, the Pacers would not be who
(06:25):
they are. Like if the Pacers had Brunson, I don't
think they would be the Pacers. The fact that everyone
of their starters scored in that fourth quarter in over time,
the fact that everyone when they go on a run,
everyone knows where the ball's going. They believe in their culture,
the fact that they stood pat really didn't bring anyone
(06:48):
in last year or this year and just said, hey,
we went to the Eastern Conference finals, let's run his back.
Their belief in each other is crazy. It is because
Halliburn is never playing with his ego. He's playing with
the fire to win games. So like there are games
where sometimes he's gonna.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Have two points. Now, is that a bad game for him?
For sure? But they can still win with him scoring
two points because.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
He's doing this all game, he's not he's not pressuring,
but when.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
It's time to win, they all look to him to
make a play.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
And I think we no one brought this up, but
like even when they beat the Bucks, you know, there's
no way Tyre's halliburt And I texted, I told him
this on the phone.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I said that a week old left.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
To right crossover shouldn't have got past nobody. And you
go pass Janis and to Takoumpo and lay that ball
up in his face. For game Jannis is a top
five defender in the league, and how does you with
no muscles, a weird looking jump shot get by him
and do this? He goes, I don't know, man, I
(07:49):
just be I just gotta do what I gotta do.
And so you know, for me, I think there's gonna
be a great series. Obviously the game one was nuts.
It's gonna come down to the next defense. And can
the Pacers continually.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Play that pace? Well, look at that paces play the
pace in this series.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I'm curious to see the changes the Knicks make the
next game.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, I said last night, Brunson has forty three, but
he had seven turnovers and he got in early foul trouble,
and I said, it's almost like being a typist that
types fifty words a minute, and Haliburton made Brunson type
seventy words a minute, and he he was I felt like,
even though he got the points, I don't think it's
one of the great Jalen Brunson games because he had
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more turnovers.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Last night than he had all year.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And I really thought the story of the game is
that it was Indy five hundred and that's not the
Knick style. And I Indy got them to play exactly
like they wanted, and Brunson kind of said, ok I'll
do this. Maybe it's vanity ego, I get it, but
like I'm like, Okay, if you're gonna play that way,
then you have to win that game in regulation in
New York.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
You can't lose that game.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I think one thing we're not taking into account is
was that fourth quarter they started double team Bruntson aggressively.
Remember he had got trapped in the back court and
he just threw the ball. If Siakam was in the
right place, that would have been a turnover. They double
teamed him, but he fell down. He got a foul
when he gets double teamed. He is very uncomfortable in
these situations. And look how many players they put like that,
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that's a simple double team. Look at this another double team.
So like to me, their offense stalled out.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
In that fourth quarter. And here's the real coming to
Jesus moment.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
They are hunting hunting him and Cat in screening roles. Yea,
it is wild to watch. You look at the clip.
Every time Nie Smith made a three, it was except
for one at the end of the game with Josh
Smith and Mitchell, which they should have switched, which is
a stupid mistake. A dude who has seventeen points and
they're running a specific play for him.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Switch, let Obi Toppen shoot a three.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Anybody else with the dude who's hot, So like that
was a mental error. But they are going at Cat
and I don't know if you saw the clip of
Og yelling at Cat after you know he just laid
on that screen. That's gonna be a problem because now
the three things the Pacers did that game is they
found out Runson gets in foul trouble and turns the
ball over when you aggressively double team one two. Kat
(10:18):
does not want to move his feet end of game,
he's exhausted.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Yeh three.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
If you go at Brunson, he stalls the offense out
in that fourth quarter because they can't run a screen
and roll with him anymore.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Because he's uncomfortable getting double team.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
So if you notice those clips, he's going one on
one in Nie Smith and them Hard and Shepherd and
Halli Burdon and Siakam.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
All those dudes are taking turns guarding him.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
So at six on one and he's exhausted and no
one else is touching the ball, they need to play
him as Steph Curry in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Instead of Brunson.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
So he's throw the ball the cat, run some away
screens get him to run towards the ball.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
But is he comfortable doing that? And can the next
win play in that game? We'll see. I'm very curious
to see how it works. You know.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It's so chanting.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Fry joining us for already audience, one of my favorite
people that covers this league and talks about it.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So in New York is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Jordan had some of his best games there, Kobe had
some of his best games there. I mean, Halliburton is
having the time of his life. New York's a weird
place that it inspires the great players, even though it's
a home court advantage you play. You started your career there.
Take my audience too. I remember watching Big East games
there and I'm like, this is crazy. Tell me take
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my audience to playing as a Nick as an opponent
in Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It feels different to me.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
So, you know, the college experience is that when you're
a really good player or a really good team, the
opposing team booju the whole time. When you go to
the garden, it's like being in a center of like
you you're a gladiator. You're winning the crowd over And
that's the problem. That's the problem because if you start hooping,
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they the oohs and ohs are like it. It gets
you even more adrenaline. And the Knicks fans have so
much basketball knowledge that if you do some good they'll
they'll be.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Like, dang, that's a good shot, man. That's tough, where.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Other fans are like boo, whatef you when you suck.
They're not saying that. So if you start doing well,
it's a problem because all of a sudden.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
You're feeding on their adrenaline.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
You're feeding on shutting them up, and as a Knicks player,
you have to each game win the fans back over.
So it's not like you could just walk on the
court and be loved. It's you can walk on the court,
mister first four. And Tracy Morgan's like, stop shooting the ball,
your big dummy. You're like, wait, I just had forty
last game. So to me, it is the greatest place
(12:59):
to play basketball. And I promise if anyone has an
opportunity to go watch basketball or even you know, hockey there.
It is so historic, so beautiful. But yet it's not
a regular arena. No, you are playing like at the
park where they may talk crap to you. You could
talk crap to them, but if you start cooking, look
at think about what Tray Young. Trey Young pokes at
(13:22):
them all the time, and they react to it because
it's a it's a movie, it's theater. It's yeah, it
encompasses like the New York attitude of who's gonna give
me the best show? They dim the lights on the
in the in the stadium so you just focus on
the court.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
It's it's a it's you know, I'm getting goosebumps. Talking
about it. It is such a great opportunity to play there.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Well, it starts with Rucker Park, it goes to Broadway,
it goes to the Big East Tournament, it goes to
New York. New Yorkers are very well versed on great
and they appreciate it. Oh yeah, listen. I always said
about New York. I didn't love the traffic, I didn't
love the weather. I loved the people. The people are
seven people pizza or who they love their Okay, let's go.
(14:07):
Let's go to Minnesota, Oka see like like they here's
the thing with Aunt And I think this is a
reality of the modern player, Like there was never a
timement with Michael Jordan. I can remember the Utah finals.
Mike shot like thirty three times, made seven. Mike went
down swinging like sometimes with Tatum or sometimes with Aunt.
(14:28):
I'm like, bro, thirteen shots, Like what's going on? I
think the modern player, they're all rich and it's a
more collaborative world. And sometimes like when the shots don't fall,
like guys are like okay, I'm I'm not gonna and
I just I grew up with Michael and it says
like now Michael didn't have that he was gonna take
the shots.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Kobe was gonna take the shots.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Could I argue with Aunt that he's not forceful enough
at times?
Speaker 6 (14:54):
No, I think the rules are different.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
When Mike won the ball back in the nineties, the
the three seconds, they he could go play one on
one and if he missed.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
He missed.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Now, if you notice Okac's defense, they basically put their
best on ball defenders, so they're up in ants Josstrap.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
They force him to drive into help. Look at this.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Look how many people are technically guarding him on that
play alone? He had four different people. Look what does
he see right there? So what does he see? Look,
he's being double team triple teams. Like this is what
I think people don't understand about. Okay, see double teams
right there. They are making him. They do such a
good job of making players have early pickups and throw
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the ball these lot passes while guys are just shooting
passing lanes. It's it's absolutely gorgeous to watch them play.
I think Ant doesn't want to settle for threes because
that's the only thing they're giving up.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
They're like, we'll give you threes.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
We've seen you go zero for eleven and for him,
he doesn't have lanes until his win a game.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Ant is gonna have problems finding lanes to attack the rim,
so he wants to play good basketball. Okac is forcing.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Him to trust his teammates, right, And this is the
attitude that I've seen in the first game. There's one
player on Minnesota that could beat us, and we're not
gonna let you play basketball. Anybody else can try and
beat us, but we believe in our others more than
your others.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
And it worked.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
And so Aunt, let's say he does shoot thirty times,
how many of those are.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Gonna be near the rim? Not very many. There gonna
be twenty nine threes.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
He just he just It's like in today's game, if
you don't have movement, if you're a great one on
one guy the way Okac plays defense, you're not comfortable.
You're not getting to your spot because even if one
guy gets foul trouble, Oh oh, Lou Dorg gets in
foul trouble.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Oh, here go Caruso, Here go Isaiah, Joe.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
He goes Ga, he goes Look how many different people
and like even this play right here, the wherewithal for
that team to stay to fan out right, not help
and let check play at one on one is just
their one conscious mind and one.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Thing to notice for the next game or tonight.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Watch how many guys when big men are around, you
know how guards usually go over the top. Watch how
many times they swipe down and don't go for the block.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
They allow Hartenstein and Chet to.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Be tall while they swipe the ball and make the
guy don't have a straight line to go shoot. And
I'll give you an example. It is like remember when Jr.
Or swiped at Andre Guodala so he didn't have a
dunk during the twenty sixteen finals and.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
He had to go shoot that layup.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
So he knew not to foul, but he just wanted
Andre to you know, kind of avoid him, and it
gave Lebron an opportunity to get that block.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
They do this all game long.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
It is like such a mind meld to see their
discipline on defense.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
I mean, okay, see is my to win it all?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I just don't see anybody that has a big man
that can take advantage of them inside and.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
They kick out with threes. Is really don't wait to
beat him.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
But like Lord had mercy, poor poor Minnesota. They get
there are others that you're gonna need to shoot the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
All right, let's end with this. Clippers are a well
run organization. Lawrence Frank is a smart guy. But Sam
Presty stole SGA from them. I remember when he was
in Kentucky and came out. I didn't think he was
the best Kentucky player. He's a combination of like eight
percent Keiky vandaway nine percent Alex English. You know, he's
a different player that initiates contact contact. He doesn't have
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like a loophole move like James Harden. He just he's
just one of these guys that may not jump out.
I mean, obviously he's a great player, but I mean
Sam Presty kind of stole him. Are you surprised by
how dominant he has become?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Did you see it seven years ago?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Man, Well he was on the Clippers. I remember being
in the back going yo. That dude is good when
he gets his opportunity. I thought he would be a
perennial All Star. But what Shaye does that is great.
And people take this, don't take this into account. Watch
how many times he puts two feet in the paint
so like, his aggression is so constant and continuous. Like
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every single one of these clips, he puts two feet
in the paint and gets look at look at his aggression.
So we're clipping saying, oh, he's foul bating. Who goes
to the hole more than him? I don't know very
many people that constantly go to the hole as much
as he does. So let's say he goes to the
hole one hundred times, he gets fouled twenty.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Where other people go the hole twenty times, they get
fouled five.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
It's just the way their system is, the way that
they have shooters. They spread the floor. But he's a
willing passer and they have good shooters. So like his
job is to just get to the paint, just get
to the paint, and man if he just looks at
the game, so specifically he works on a certain part.
Does his shoulders get a little bigger so now he
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can bump better? Is his footwork better? Is this, you know,
right to left better? Does he like to go left?
Does he like to go right? He's looked at this
every single year and dissected his game.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
And so you know, you're.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Talking about hoopers and guys who are psycho. He is
psycho and that's why he's a VP.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, he's a bit obsessed. I mean I always say
this about Brady. Brady was the best quarterback mechanically I've
ever seen. And it allowed Brady to be the best
cold weather snowthrower I've ever seen. Wasn't because he had
the biggest arm. His mechanics were impervious to weather. His
literally his torque, his shoulders, his feet. I mean, Tom
was obsessed. He practiced falling instead of getting sacked. And
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that's as Jay watching. You're watching an artist who has
honed his craft. That's that's what he's done. Okay, Now,
Channing Fry, you're so good at this, my man. You
gave us twenty minutes. O.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Thank you. I appreciate it. And you didn't have to
have you. We're gonna have you back soon, buddy, anytime
you want. Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
You have a good day, all right, Channing Fry, great stuff.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I mean when you watch SGA, that's a pro. You
can be a landscaper, you could be a quarterback, you
could be an attorney.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
That is a pro.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That is a guy has worked meticulously on his game,
and Channing Fry really breaks it down well.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
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Speaker 1 (21:29):
By the way, Pittsburgh Steelers owner Art Rooney the Second
who said on April first, the Steelers will not wait
forever for Aaron Rodgers, delivered a similar line on his
way out of Wednesday's owner meetings. He said, We're gonna
wait a little while longer. I'll say the same thing.
And there are people who are relatively close to Aaron
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Rodgers who think he will be a Steeler. He's got
some stuff going on in his personal life. A very
dear friend apparently has cancer, so Aaron's working on some
per stuff. I kind of see the Steelers as a
third place team regardless. Regardless, I think I think Cleveland
is going all in next year to get arch manning.
They'll finish fourth. I think the Ravens are clearly the
best team. Cleveland's clearly the worst. I'll go with Joe
(22:15):
Burrow over the quarterback situation. But that's the latest on
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
J Mack with the News, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
This is the Herd Line news, all.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Right, Colin, We've got more Indiana Pacers Nicks fall out.
This one's interesting. So last night, as the Pacers deliver
one of the most amazing comebacks in playoff history, Caitlin Clark,
Indiana Fever point guard and huge fan of the Pacers,
tweeted out, Pacers are the greatest comeback team I've ever seen. Colin,
this is the third time in the playoffs they've had
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an amazing comeback in the final minute. Here's the stat.
Our team came up with NBA teams where zero wins,
nine hundred and seventy losses went down by fourteen or
more in the final two to fifty of regulation in
the playoffs over the last twenty seven years, zero wins.
The Pacers just did something just mind blowing. And of
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course Tyrese Haliburton's dad, who's been banned from arenas because
of the incident with Giannis. You remember he was seen
at a bar doing the choke sign. And now we've
got Charles Barkley, your buddy. Here's Halliburton's dad doing the
choke sign. This guy's a character. Barkley's down campaigning to
get him back in the arena. I'm not rocking with
(23:32):
Charles on that one. But I can't get enough of this,
even as a Knicks fan. I think it's just thematic watching.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think Indiana, because of their pace
of play, is built to come from behind. I think
the Warriors, when they had Katie Stephan Clay, fifteen points
was not a thing they could catch up in a
big third quarter. So I just think certain teams are
built to come from behind. We talked about this all
the time. There are certain NFL teams that are built
to win a certain way. The Chargers last year did
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not have the dynamic perimeter players. If they got down,
they were in trouble, and you know, and then so
I think Baltimore for years has a team that plays
downhill better than uphill. So I just think I think
Indiana's I think they're a handful. I think they can
play with a lead, that can play play trailing and
they have now forced three different teams Milwaukee, the Cabs,
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and the Knicks to play their tempo.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
Yeah, it should be a fun series. Colin the next story, Listen,
I don't want to get in an argument with you.
It's a Thursday. We both have big weekend plans. But
we're gonna have to talk about SDA and this free
throw merchant stuff, all right. I know people at this
network and other networks are really like defending SDA. Colin
Jaden McDaniels shined in. Okay, he's the guy who got called.
(24:44):
He fouled out with some nonsense calls against Sea, including
that one you just saw on this sleek Jada McDaniels.
We expected it myself, knowing coming in he gets calls.
Not everything is gonna go our way. Nothing we can
do about it.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Now.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
The big narrative online has been We'll wait a minute, guys,
look at the most fouls drawn this postseason, and our
staff has got it here. Okay, on the surface, it
looks like, oh wait, SGA doesn't.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Go to the line a lot.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
But Colin, you know what I like to do, right.
I think it was in like fourth grade, I kept
arguing with my teacher and a back to school night,
the teacher told my parents Jason he might be a lawyer.
So Colin, I looked at these numbers and I said, hmm, interesting,
I wonder if minutes played has anything.
Speaker 9 (25:25):
To do with it.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
You know, Brunson's been in two overtime games. SGA's had
some massive blowouts, wouldn't you know it. Brunson has played
sixty five more minutes in the playoffs than SGA. That's
more than a full game. So obviously he's gonna go
to the line much more than SGA. People can argue
at all they want, Colin I had an ESPN reporter
on my podcast yesterday talking about this, and he was
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front row for Thunder and Wolves, and he's saying, listen,
I haven't seen calls like this since, like Alan Iberson
with the point guard getting every whistle because he's tiny
and drives. At some point, the refs are gonna have
to swallow the whistle because it's getting accessed.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, it's not a good one.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Well, I mean if I always said that Shack was
fouled twice as often as the refs called because he
was so big that you could hit Shack and it
wouldn't matter. So Shack actually was fouled much more than
the whistles. SGA is so slight that sometimes a touch
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and a little bit of his performative movement makes it
look like it fell.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Some of this stuff like flopping.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
D Wade was always a player that could elicit foul
free throws, So some of this I just give credit
to SGA. Now, I did think there was one whistle,
probably two whistles where it was a little over the top.
But I would say this, I think Brunson gets a
friendly whistle. Harden got it for years. I think Yo
Kids gets the whistle, but more than any player SGA.
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I'm going to credit the player, not debit the refs.
I think he knows what he's doing, and I think
his slight frame where the average NBA players play six
y six, you know, two thirty one. You know, he's whatever,
he is, sixty six, one ninety eight, So it's like
a lean receiver. Any contact initiated appears to be far
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more physical or punitive than it is. And he's good
at kind of acting and leaning into it.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
It's good funny you mentioned acting. There's reports out there
that he's been working on his flopping with Drake and
some other Canadian guys. I think Justin Bieber like these
actors from Kenner and teaching him how to flop and flail.
And I will add this. Some fans pointed out a
video from Game one where remember Anthony Edwards, where Lebron
came down the court and Ant was just shoving him.
You told me on air, you love that. Anthony Edwards
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did that to SDA in Game one and got called
for a foul, Like we can't have that.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
College, No, but Lebron.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Lebron is two sixty SGA is one ninety three, so
it is different.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
You know again, it's.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Jokich gets fouled more than people think because he weighs
two seventy. So that's the downside to being a huge
person that contacts. You can't see it with him, You
see every bump.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
I need consistency, my friend. That's what I need. Like
you delivering on the show every damn day. I want
that from my NBA referees. The final story is Garrett Wilson.
We haven't wedged the Jets into the show.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
In a minute.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
He's gonna be on his third quarterback in his many
years with the Jets, and now Justin Fields is his guy.
Aaron Glenn has said the team's offensive goals to get
Wilson the ball, and that will not happen unless the
quarterback and receiver have a great friendship. Thankfully, this is
not their first go route Wilson and Fields obviously played
together at Ohio State. Here they are talking about their friendship.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
He trust me, I'll trust him.
Speaker 10 (28:44):
Just trying to get the best out of each other,
and yeah, that goes back, you know, five six years now.
So for me, I know exactly what he can do
right and I still think the world's got to see it.
And that's a beautiful thing about this. You know, we
all got something to prove on his team. You know,
we haven't done nothing yet. I know, we all got
that chip on our shoulder, like you know, we haven't
done that yet because we haven't.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, I'm gonna wait to see.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I think I feel bad for Justin Fields in one aspect.
He got a defensive coach in Chicago, he got a
defensive coach and culture in Pittsburgh. He gets a defensive
coach and culture in New York. I think there are
very few players that can get the wrong coach or
the wrong culture and succeed. I mean, let's say Sean
McVay never shows up and it's Jeff Fisher into another
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defensive coach. Jared Goff doesn't have that nice house in
Hermosa Beach. Like the reality is with very few exceptions
where you land and who you get connected to, like
Jade and Daniels would have been successful, no question in
my mind. But Cliff Kingsbury and Terry McLaurin really helped.
That really helped.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
I agree. I would counter with the positive that Fields
has is the guy before him would go on a
weekly radio show and talk about conspiracy theories and Doctor
Fouci and nonsense like that. I'll be honest, I haven't
heard a word from Justin Fields. Have you? Do you
see him on social media? Is he out and about
talking about what's going on the strip?
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
No, Look, the only problem I've ever had with Justin
Fields is like Zach Wilson, I question whether he sees
the field great, like they're open players that he miss
great kid, good size, good arm, moves well, he checks
like eight boxes. But this league that this league. Belichick's
talked about this with Brady. Tom would look to the
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left and complete a pass and yet would know what
was on the field in the right. Never moved his
head there. Certain players have a field. Jayden Daniels has
a feel for the position. It's insane. He literally is
better on a blips as a rookie in bad weather,
trailing late like that doesn't make any sense. And some
guys never see the field. With Justin I feel like
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with Zach Wilson, I'm like, dude, I just don't know
if he sees open players. Well the other do you
remember the.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Coach I'm not gonna say it obviously on air who
came into the studio probably two years ago and was
on a staff with Fields in the NFL and said
Fields would be like, what show up one minute before
the team meeting and he would have a zodie on
and he would slouch and he didn't look in gage
like a franchise quarterback should. I'm just hoping that was
young Justin Fields, and we'll get to see a more
(31:21):
mature one in New York who is a first guy in,
last guy out, all the stuff you need from a leader,
because the Jets they don't have a leader on that team.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Called No, they don't. J mckle the news.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
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Speaker 1 (33:01):
By the way, I saw this story again, a person
familiar with the negotiations of the USC noted AIME game
said quote, it would be a strategically bad decision if
USC backed out of it.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
SC knows how we feel.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's an executive, I would say at NBC Sports because
they get an automatic rating. Of course, a television executive
wants them to play. But again, USC gets seventy five
million annually now minimum from the Big Ten. They don't
need the game, and the Big Ten last year was
the best conference in the country. The SEC has great programs,
but often in small rural markets. Alabama's struggling to keep
(33:42):
up in the nil Oklahoma will LSU has. Ohio State's not,
Michigan's not, Oregon's not us.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
He's not like Penn State's not.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So the reality is USC's looking at it thinking, you know,
we'll do a one year deal and weigh it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
USC got to break the last couple years.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
They didn't play Ohio State or Oregon yet, and they're
still struggling transitioning to a cold weather conference. And Notre Dame,
by the way, they need it. They only play five
conference games. I mean, last year Notre Dame lost an
early game as a favorite, and we were talking about
they can't get into the playoff because their.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Schedule is so weak.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Ohio State lost early to Oregon and late to Michigan,
and we're like, of course they get in. They beat
good teams like Penn State. So there's a big difference
here us. He didn't need it financially. USC's in the
toughest conference. USC is a harder schedule, and USC is
saying let's just do it on a year by year basis.
Notre Dames plays five conference games and now they play
(34:44):
in a conference that's the weakest. That's why Notre Dame
just signed a twelve year deal with Clemson because they
need games like Clemson, they need USC.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
When you're in the Big Ten, you don't need anything.
I mean, that's why I.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Give great credit to Ohio State willing to play Texas.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
They don't have to.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
They got too many teams on their schedule, so and
it's not just playing Notre Dame. Let's say you play
Notre Dame November seventh in South Bend, then you fly
all the way home, and then the next week you
have Penn State. You're walking into a two game losing streak.
It's not just playing physical Notre Dame. You want your schedule.
(35:24):
You want to get back home, which you only get
every other year. You want to get back in the sun.
You don't want these long East coast road trips. That's
the downside to the backpack twelve Big ten alliance is
I mean, you've got games now. You could have Penn
State flying all the way out to Oregon, coming home,
then going all the way out to UCLA. These are
(35:45):
college kids. So I'm going to defend USC in the
Pac twelve. Why not outside of Oregon maybe Utah, Washington.
You know, we'll take that Notre Dame game. We'll take
it's our big long road trip of the year in
the US. SE's now getting four and five long road trips.
I mean you look at a net perdues in Indiana,
(36:06):
then they go to Illinois and then they're at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Then they're back on.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
A flight to Nebraska. That's a lot of trouble that
doesn't count the playoff. So this thing now is all.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
About the playoff.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Of course, a television executive, presumably at NBC doesn't like it,
but I listen very Michigan Notre Dame used to play.
It was a huge game and there were some unbelievable classics,
and now they don't and the sport's okay, Oklahoma Nebraska
used to play the big rating last year in the
regular season or the highest rated game.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Wasn't it Uga in Texas? They never played.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
It was the highest rated game. So I'm not saying
that rivalries don't matter. Ohio State and Michigan need to
play Texas. Oklahoma's really cool, Auburn.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
In Alabama.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It just feels like the Iron Bowl should be played Mississippi,
Mississippi State. Notre Dame played Michigan, they moved on. I
like the game, but I get USC's point of view.
How many long road trips do we want to go on?
Look at Notre Dame schedule open up at Miami, Texas,
A and m I mean they got Boise States in there,
(37:18):
they got they got a lot of doubles here, they
got Navy in there. They are hunting for bigger games,
and so I'm gonna I'm gonna side with the USC
on this. And for the record, now, Notre Dame is
recruiting because they have a great coach and Marcus Freeman.
They're recruiting at a national level. You really want on
(37:39):
your schedule before the playoff starts, Penn State, Ohio State, Oregon, Washington,
before we get to the playoffs, they had Notre Dame
into it. Again, Notre Dame, wherever it is in the schedule.
You know, it's one thing if you could open with
Notre Dame every year, that's a whole different ball.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I could have that discussion, you're not throwing that thing.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You're not throwing that ninety eight mile an hour on
the hands on me in November twenty first, when I
got the buck, guys the following week or whoever. Okay,
we had Channing Fry on earlier. So listen, I'm not
saying it wasn't a little bit of a meltdown, but
I think a lot of what we saw last night.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Charles Barkley talked about it.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
The pace of play was going to benefit the longer
the game went on and the longer the series went on,
and so we saw this with Oklahoma City and Denver.
Denver played a starting five and a couple of rotational players.
At the end of about three or four of those
games in the Okay See Denver series, Denver looked tired.
That's what I think happened. I think some of this
was you wanted to get into a track meet. Well,
(38:40):
one team is built for a track meet. And Josh
Hart after the game talked about that meltdown by the Knicks.
Speaker 9 (38:50):
I feel we defensively, we didn't have we let off
the gas. The intensity of physicality wasn't there. Authentively, we
were playing slower blow a stagnant and look like we
were playing out to lose. So we got to make sure,
you know, we don't make that mistake again again.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Did they let their foot off the gas or were
they gassed? And I, like I've said before, there are
certain teams play certain ways. The Pacers play the fastest
pace in the league three years in a row. The
Knicks have played the slowest pace in the league two
years in a row. And I think New York is
built you can you can still win games. Like I said,
(39:31):
there's ways the New York Knick should have won that
game to show fifty un percent. But I don't think
over the course of time. I think Cleveland found this
out like Milwaukee found it out in the first game
of the series. It's like, oh, we can't keep I
remember the first game.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Was a blowout.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
You're like Milwaukee realized very quickly, Oh, we can't play
at this pace. Then Cleveland didn't have Darius Garland for
the first game or two, and they're like, oh, yeah,
we can't play at this pace without.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Our full staff.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I think New York last night it was fun, it's electric,
but I think it's very odd that was the way
the Pacers would love the series to look.
Speaker 8 (40:03):
I mean, I gotta disagree. So Colin, they had like
five days off I believe between games, right Celtics, and
then the game won. They led by sixteen in the
fourth quarter. Yeah what Brunston goes out with his fifth foul,
which was a dumb foul. His fourth and fifth were
really dumb, and I'm like, oh man, I'm so nervous,
and they go on a fourteen nothing run, Like they
led by sixteen with like seven minutes left. It. I
(40:27):
don't know that it was a melt so much as
a oh my gosh. The Pacers just could not miss.
They hit six three pointers to end the game. Now,
I don't know why the Knicks were playing drop coverage,
and I think Channing Frye made a good point for
some reason, Karl Anthony Townsend, everybody's sagging off Nismith, Like,
why are you giving him that much room? You see
on the screen he just hit four threes? Can you
(40:47):
get up in his grill? Like that's the only way
you lose the game on an't disappointing from the Knicks,
But I'm gonna call it a fluke.
Speaker 9 (40:53):
Is that is that?
Speaker 8 (40:54):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, you can call whatever you want. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I don't think it's a choke. I don't think I
think something. Listen, we do this in our business. If
somebody loses their bums the New York Knicks, I mean that,
she's just what we do. Like, let's give the Pacers credit.
And the New York Knicks played a really good basketball game.
First of all, the first quarter was absolutely you should
go back on YouTube and watch the first quarter. Nobody
missed like it was just like what is going on?
Speaker 6 (41:21):
It was?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
It was aau basketball you were just sitting around going
great shot. Oh that was a great shot. Oh that
was a better shot. Like every guy was putting on
a sho I mean it was. It was, and one
tour every guy was putting on a clinic. So it's
one of the best nights of basketball. It was a
great three hours to sit in front of a TV
and watch an all time classic. Little envy with the
people that were there.
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