May 21, 2025 • 42 mins
What to expect in the NBA Western Conference Finals
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Guest: Rachel Nichols
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Rachel Nichols
in about five minutes, you know J Matt the NIXT
Pacers tonight. Two things can be true. The NBA got
seventy six billion dollars and they're fined. And I don't
think Minnesota and Oklahoma City are going to get great ratings.
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So I think all those slight ratings increases. There's a
lot of NBA ratings talk. We never talk hockey, talk
hockey read in the tank. We don't talk baseball ratings.
We talk NBA ratings. I'm not sure why it is
such a thing. It's been around for a long time.
It's been flourishing since the eighties.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
But let's be above that. Let's be above the freight.
Not talk about that.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Let's go and talk about why brock Purdy was flighted
in the PFF quarterback Tier ratings.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Colin Huh, well, it came out today.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I actually think they did a really good job. Usually
on these rankings, I've got big pushback PFF and they
watch every play. They ranked all thirty two starters ahead
of this year. I thought CJ. Stroud was five or
six spots two.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Other than that, How on earth is Geno Smith in
the same tier as brock Perty. I mean, I would
love to see the metrics from PFF. I'm going to
go read them during the next commercial break. But there
is zero data that can tell me that Geno Smith
has had the last three years as good as brock Perty.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
No way, no shot.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, brock Purty last year lost eight of his last
nine starts.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Yeah, last year. Did we forget the years before that?
The two years before.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That usually get you usually don't get big contracts. Last
year was the first year that Brockford he had to
play without a stack roster, and he lost eight of
his last nine starts. That's the difference between the haves
and have nots. Oh C J stroud O line was awful.
Receivers all hurt made the playoffs want a playoff game.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Niners thought he win that division last year without semac.
If they're playing in the AFC South with those jokers,
I thought.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
What was interesting about it. I think the PFF did
a really good job. They have Dak Prescott the highest
paid quarterback in the league at seventeenth, one spot ahead
of Tua, and I think that's perfect. I would take
Dak by a whisker over Tua if I was a
general manager. Both Dak and Tua are pocket guys, both
have had multiple injuries, both are kind of reliant on
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their supporting cast, and both signed their contract with the
Dolphins and Cowboys respectively. And our first thought was, eh,
the team got worked good for two and Dak they
made out. And that's always been my concern with Brock
that I think he's very much. I think he's a
little better than Tua, not much. And this was interesting.
Adam Schefter had this story brought. Purdy asked the Niners
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for sixty five million annually and settled for significantly less
than that, but more important. No team showed trade interest
at all, and we know seven teams needed a quarterback.
So that is also very similar to TUA and DAK
that their teams view them higher than the league does.
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There's no interest outside of Dallas for DAK. There's no
interest for TA outside of Miami and brock Purty. According
to Adam Schefter, who I trust, there was no big, great,
league wide interest. I got news for you.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
If CJ.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Stroud was on the market, you got twelve teams calling.
So I've always said, you're as good as the market dictates.
Your home company can love you. But if you're on
the street, what's the market to say? If Justin Herbert
and CJ. Stroud are on the street, there's a lot
of interest. I mean, Herbert's six' five two point thirty
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huge arm and. Moves eighteen teams are interested in, him
thirty two teams are interested In Josh allen And, mahomes
and probably twenty eight are interested In lamar And Joe.
Burrow so what is your value you're on the, market
what's the market to?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
SAY i don't.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Care if you're a talk show, HOST i don't. Care
if you're a, Quarterback you're on the. Market who comes
knocking the more come.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Knocking to me.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
That that's an amplification of your. Talent and according To,
schefter nobody came knocking for.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Pretty but that's.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay The niners love, him The cowboys Love, dak The
dolphins love. Too it nothing wrong with. That their employers
feel better about them than the market. Does and they've
been paid all the. Money So i'm never going to
root against a guy making. Money Brock perty's family and
him are set for, years for decades with. That Rachel
nichols JOINS us game one of The Western Conference.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Finals in the. Books BEFORE i get to, that this
this has been a topic on our. SHOW I.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So David stern inherited a league where there was a
different champion every, year and though there were some good
players Like Rick berry Or DOCTOR, j the league didn't
have a lot of dynamic television, presence you know. People
and So David stern was very okay with big markets
and the collaboration of stars because he saw the opposite of. That,
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Now Adam silver's, Different. Rachel he Saw David stern's version
of THE, nba which was stacked, rosters ticked off ninety
percent of the owners and these big cities often. Flourishing
so my take has been what you're seeing now in
THE nba is what this.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Is Finally Adam silver's. League this is what he wants
it to. Be do you think it'll work?
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Well, look owners want, parody right because more guys want
a piece of the. Pie if one team is, winning
you know four or five years in a, row that
everyone else is shut out of that playoff. Money so
owners love. Parody this is making a lot of guys
who Are Adam silver's boss. Happy the little bit of
the twist on it is that the general public actually
follows THE nba more during dynasty seasons because you get
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to know the warriors over. Time your grandma knows Who
Steph curry. Is, wherefore when you have different champion after
different champion after different, champion we all know Who Ant edwards.
Is we think he's a, star he's got Great criminic.
Charisma but the question is is he breaking through to
sort of the regular. Fan THE nba needs some dynasties
mixed in with the new faces coming. In you need
a mix to be.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Popular SO i think it's interesting The pacers have the
fastest paced team in the league for three straight. Years
the nixt are the slowest paced team in THE nba
for two straight. Years it is a. Clash it's a boxing.
Match styles make. Fight it is a clash of. Pace
And indiana has done an unbelievable job to dominate pace
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Against milwaukee And. Cleveland they set the pace and they
won this. Series i'm interested when you talk to people
around the league and they look at this, REALLY i,
mean these are a clash Of this is like a
passing team and a running team in THE. Nfl who
do people in the league like in The Knicks pacers,
series which starts to, night.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
It's very.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Split it's. Interesting first of, All i'm here In New.
York the energy around the city is exactly what you
would Expect colin if you talk to people on the
streets and the. Taxis not only are The knicks going
to sweep The pacers in this, series they're also going
to sweep the finals and somehow win some titles in the.
Process so that's the energy going on here right. Now
and certainly The knicks matchups so well against The, pacers
but they're going to find a defense that they haven't
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seen so. Far you Think detroit pressed them a. Lot
The pacers because of their, depth they can go full court.
Press so when you talk about the pace of The
knicks or what they want to do, offensively who's going
to have their? Way The knicks have to get. There
Jalen brunson has to be able to get to what
he wants to, do and he's going to see pressure
like he hasn't quite seen. Before you know how good
The pacers are in. Transition you know how the good
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they are at getting points off of steelts. TURNOVERS i
think that's really part of the matchup to watch tonight
to see whose style makes this.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Fight you, know it's.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Funny six months ago to a year, Ago tibbs was in.
Trouble people were saying the practices are too, hard he
doesn't play as, bench this is not working and today
AND i don't know what his contract situation, is but
he could probably get an. EXTENSION i feel Like rachel
and this happened sometimes in different. Industries the league moved Into.
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Tibbs they were tired of three point. Shooting they thought
it was too homogenous and too, repetitive and they wanted
half court. Basketball they wanted physicality because fans loved the
physical well even see it With Caitlin clark and angel.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Reaesed if you're, physical it gets talked. About it's.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
CONTROVERSIAL i feel Like tibbs is now the most secure
A New York knicks coach has been since Pat.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Riley what do you?
Speaker 6 (08:48):
HEAR i, mean, look, yes certainly in a postseason where
they're not calling as. Much that favors different styles of
teams and different styles of, coaches And tibbs has always
been in.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
That hard nosed basketball.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Category BUT i would Say TIBs even was quote In,
trouble And trouble's probably the wrong way to say it
Because Leon roseen here are so, close so who knows
how close he would actually come to not getting future.
Contracts but there are a lot of whispers About tibbs
going into The detroit, series and even during The Detroit, Series,
colin there was talk if they lost The Detroit, series
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what was going to happen To? Tibbs they had to
take a really hard look at his. Future, now all
of a, sudden they went two series later and he's
the toast of THE. Nba so sometimes we talk about
matchups and sort of how the bracket fills out and
how that affects players and their. Legacy, oh he never
got out of the second. Round well that's because he
always had these tough first and second round matchups out
in The, west that kind of. Thing, well they got
a great bracket, here they, had you, know based The
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Boston celtics team that didn't play like itself the first two.
Games Then Jason tatum gets, hurt and here they, are
And TIBs is the toast of THE, nba AND i
certainly wouldn't expect anyone to talk about his job security going.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Forward you, Know.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
SO, sga When James harden was doing the step back,
move it felt like he was working the. League he
was working the. System some have said The tush push
is working the, system although THE nfl owners today voted
to extend. IT i don't feel that WITH. SGA i
THINK sga is just a contract. Initiator he's good from the,
line he's a great pure. Shooter i'm not bothered by
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THE sja. WHISTLE i thought he got one whistle last
night that was. Ridiculous BUT i, Overall i'm, like he's
a really good player that initiates.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Contract it hardened bothered. Me this.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Doesn't brunson's flopping can be. Irritating this. Doesn't how is
he viewed.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
In the, League, YEAH i mean people just think he's
such a pure. Player you. KNOW i talked to several
players throughout the league this, season every single one of,
them many of them on, camera Including James harden by the,
way told me he is THE mvp of the league this,
season and THE mvp is going to be announced, tonight
AND i would certainly Expect sga to be the one
to walk home with that. Hardware his game is so
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complete THAT i think no one feels like it's maybe
the way they felt About hardened because they don't feel
like he's depending on that and only. That so you
have a lot of guys around the, league players who
really respect the way this guy's, played and you don't
really hear about that foul merchant stuff That Doris burke
mentioned last night is all OVER Nba.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
TWITTER i want to wrap up with.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
This there are three levels of players that are going
to potentially. Move there's The yannis, level a dominant player
still in his. Prime there's THE kd level out of his,
prime but an excellent player twenty six a game can
catch and shoot on any team in the. League then
there's the kaminga, level not a refined, player but you're
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gonna get twenty. Points he's moving into his. Prime he
still has some. REFINEMENT i feel like there are three
levels of, this but let's go to The yannis, level
because his numbers have been dominating over the last couple of.
Years usually when we predict a huge, market you find,
out like with The luca, trade there was like one team.
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Involved do you think there's, six, seven eight teams For?
Lucah for, instance THE NIXT i thought needed a big.
Swing NOW i don't think they do need a big.
SWING i would not MAKE i would not give up
picks and players For. YANNIS i think with this new
style they could win a. Title what do you think
the market is For?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
YANNIS i think the market For yannis is going to be.
ENORMOUS i think, That, yeah there are so many teams
who feel they are One Yannis koopo away from a.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Title and in this.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Day and age where there is as you started the
segment talking about so much parody and just one guy
who can push you over the edge is rare in TODAY'S,
nba And yannis is that, Guy SO i think there
will be a huge market for. HIM i think there
will be teams that we're not even thinking about who
are willing to make deals we're not even believing they're
able to. Make we've been talking to you AND I
colin about sort of the top three that people keep talking.
About are The spurs now going to make a bigger
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push For, yannis not that they have that number two
pick that's dangling there that they won in the. Lottery
The Houston rocket's still going to be the favorite to
try to get a player Like. Yannis you, Know jannis
came out and didn't ask me ANYTHING q AND, a
which is so y, honest right when there's grade rumors
about him and, Everything and, gee who did he name
as his.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Number one player out? There who did he?
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Say he Said Steph, curry which is not exactly a
veiled sort of reference to the fact that there's been
A Yannis steph sort of romance over the.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Years so The warriors.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Have long wanted to Get.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
YANNIS i think there will be a lot of teams
in the, derby and it's just a matter of Does
giannis want to, leave do The bucks deal?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Him and who?
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Too they haven't done that great with keeping guys in
their own, conference so So Drew, Holliday SO i would
expect him to go to The west one way or the.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Other great. Stuff Rachel nichols as almost, Thanks, rache appreciate.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
It thank.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
You, hey J, mac let me throw this at. You
this is completely.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Hypothetical Mike dunlavey, says, Well i'm just going to throw
this out.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
There you got to make salaries.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Match so you, guys you, Guys Jason, martin you guys
can figure this out here BECAUSE i don't have it
in front of. Me Butler, Kaminga butler A minga four
first round. Picks you're THE gm of The Milwaukee. Bucks, no, thanks,
okay that's WHAT i would. Say, no BUT i will
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tell you now here's WHAT i would. Say knowing that
college basketball is becoming more. Domestic this draft this, year
all the top players look. Like it's not A european.
Draft the story we reported on where THE nil is
now Buying.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Europeans The spanish leagues are chock full of the, bad
more young talent than any of the. Leagues The spanish. Leagues,
okay they're.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Thinking of shuddering it because THE nil here in The
states is buying their best. Players so a draft pick
for the previous fifteen, years you were, like can they play?
Well draft picks, now especially at the top of the,
draft are going to be BETTER nba prospects.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
There but you're not going to be picking at the
top of the draft with.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
That with the picks you get from The.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Warriors they've Got curry And, giannis it's going to be
like in the late, twenties you.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Know SO i don't. KNOW i STILL i Think houston
is the team to.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
WATCH i Think San antonio is lurking in the, Shadow
like would you part With Stefan castle if you're gonna
Get janis back and then you Pair giannison body?
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Together?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
No, no waits.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
How many how many MVPs Is Stefan castle are gonna?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
WIN i don't think he's gonna win him Because wemby
will and he will because of the eight assists he
gets From castle And castle's ability to force you out
of doubles to Guard.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Castle i'm not giving.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
That by the, way what is also happening in THE
nba guard driven? Sport What's castle? LONG i mean great,
length can hit, jumpers drive. Forceful if you start looking
at THE nba right, now it is becoming a point guard.
Lead because of the multiple, aprons you can't stack, stars
so it is pace of.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Play i'm not Giving castle.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Up, okay, fine would you give Up Amen thompson if You're, Houston.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Well houston only has one or. TWO i Want shanngoon And.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Thompson i'm not interested in anything else they, have And
houston has said all, Men thompson is off the. Market,
Okay SO i don't Think. HOUSTON i, MEAN i don't
want a bunch of picks In Jalen. Green i'm not interested.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
That you want.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
CRAZINESS okc has a, kid Kese On wallace on the.
Bench WHO i, mean, listen there's a lot of hype around.
Him he's only twenty, one very good.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Player how about?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
This what if you included him in a?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Package you, know you give up the salaries to match
And wallace and two or three first For.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Johanna, no, no no, NO i would Want, Chet, Holmgren
wallace and four.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
FIRST i would do that For jannis at a, heartbeat
If i'm.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Okay that's. Interesting SO i Love. HOMEGREN i Think homegren's really.
Good injuries worry me a little because of his. Size
but home Gren Cason wallace four firsts.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
IS i, mean you need more to get the salaries to.
Match but by Lou dorn interesting.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
One Lou, DORT i mean Loud dort somehow starts over
case On.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
WALLACE i don't get. It by the, way can we
stop breathing on sca and calling a? Foul did you
see that garbage last? NIGHT i mean, one are you?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Great oh my, gosh there was the one where he
drove was left And i'm not sure what. HAPPENED i
don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
What maybe it was the jersey number by the, way
up came off its fabric and.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Bump.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah by the, way he was ten of twenty seven.
Shooting i've never seen more hype for a ten for
twenty seven. Pillman then last night thirty one points on
twenty seven. Shots that's Like Russell westbrook, action the hype.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Trait let me just, say you go look At Michael
jordan and Those utah. Finals michael ended up with twenty
eight points on horrible shooting on multiple. Games part of
this league is getting to the free throw, line and
that's part of the sport is getting to the line
That Michael.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Jordan fans want to tune in for the final. Hour for.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Sure today somebody's getting lit. Up we'll talk about that
in the final.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
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Speaker 3 (17:53):
Like All, right the Touch push lives for another.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
DAY nfl owners did not take the recommendation of two
different committees in THE, nfl and by a very narrow,
margin THE nfl owner, Said we're going to keep the Tush.
Push so that Makes Philadelphia eagle fans and players very.
Happy Jason, kelsey the Former, eagle apparently, talked stood up and, said,
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LISTEN i don't think it's as dangerous as you're. Saying
so that's good for The Philadelphia. Eagles anybody can use.
IT i was a bit. Surprised we're seeing horse collar tackling,
Eliminated Cam chancellor jumping over trying to block kicks. Eliminated
there wasn't a lot of data of injuries. There the
kickoff has basically been completely, altered So i'm. SURPRISED i
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thought it looked dangerous enough for THE nfl to move off.
It they, didn't so The eagles once again the play
they created remains a viable part of their third and
one and fourth and one offensive.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
SITUATIONS J mack with The news.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Turns this is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Coll let's start with The Vegas.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Raiders they've had quite an, offseason Right Pete carroll's a
new head, coach they got The Chip kelly's the NEW,
oc Drafted ashton, genty but the big one is trading
for Quarterback Gino. Smith he's now reunited With Pete. Carroll
they had some success In, seattle but it's just the
first time working With Chip. Kelly gino Says kelly has
made the transition, smooth adding the chip nose THAT i
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can see the. Game whatever, THAT i don't. Know i'm
kind of torn on his. Team we talked about him a, Lot,
colin but there are Some raiders fans on. Staff, hint,
hint what do you really think Of Gino?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Smith Because i'm shocked if he was in that same
tier As Brock. PERDY i can't.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
KILL i Think Pete carroll clearly likes. Him he defended
him In. Seattle he brought him into The. Raiders so
you know they always, say just like when people look for,
jobs it takes. One AND i Think Pete carroll likes.
Him Pete carroll likes. Him he's a big guy with
a big arm that can throw the ball down the.
Field The raiders are going to be a run first
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team With Chip kelly And Ashton genty Brock bowers tight,
end not a wide, out SO i think they'll. Play you,
Know pete is old school little but he wants more conservative,
game low on, turnovers run game in, defense and special.
Teams so my take Is geno Fits. Pete it only takes.
ONE i, mean Like Adam shefter, reporting nobody was calling
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About Brock. Purty Kyle shanahan loves. Him that's all it.
Takes mike McDaniel Loves. Tua Brian flores did. Not it takes.
One he got.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Paid.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Man you, know we try to be thought leaders And
i'm just gonna float this out.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
There you tell me your. Thoughts So Pete carroll.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Gets the, job and first thing he says is we
got to get a.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Quarterback this quarterback room was. Garbage last. Name so he
looks at the.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Landscape he's Like, okay we could make a play For Sam,
darnold but he kind of had an outlier year With kevin.
O'Connor we could, draft we could look at the quarterbacks
in the. Draft you, know we have a top ten.
Pick maybe maybe we like shador so they kick the
tires on the quarterbacks and, Hey Kirk, cousins we could
go out and trade for, him but he's look on
a What Maybe gino was simply the best option among
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a pretty weak slate in the offseason of quarterback.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Options, well is is that possibly what?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
HAPPENED i Think donald And gino are similar in that
if you hurry, them their mistakes. Increase BUT i could
See Pete, carroll based on his, history Thinking donald was
a little reckless for his. Taste gino's not necessarily. Reckless
he's actually not. Reckless if he has a run. Game
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he's a very good play action pass quarterback over one hundred.
Rating BUT i can see In pete's world Watching sam
and thinking he can do a little hero.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Ball he's a little.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Reckless he was at, college he was with The, jets
he was With, carolina SO i think that's been coached
out of.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Him but LIKE i Get.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
PINA i Get pete Picking gino Over Sam darnold THAT i.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Guess it's, LIKE i, mean it's not quite like when
you're playing you're playing pick up, recess you, know when
you're dividing up the teams and there's a draft and
there's like three guys, left and it's, like, Well i've
got to take that guy because he's. THERE i don't
know that Like Gino smith is the long term. Answer
this is a bridge quarterback clearly right one or two.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
YEARS i don't know if that's. True, AGAIN i Think
Pete carroll looks at that division and Sees Mahomes herbert
specifically and, Thinks, okay that's not available on the. Market
What i'm not gonna do is somebody that's Impersonating herbert Or.
Mahomes i'm gonna get somebody that understands. Himself he's a smart.
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PLAYER i, Mean gino's a total, pro he's a total.
Adult he takes it very. Seriously And pete's, like this
is my kind of.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Guy IF i.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Can't get him A, holmes Then i'm not gonna cost
myself wins by somebody that's. Reckless that's Why donald's a
little he's a little skill DHARM i would.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
LO i, mean if you Corner Pete carroll at a
party in one of your slinky affairs that you go,
to maybe you could ask To, hey why Not Justin?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Field What Justin field? Is Join field's never made A Pro.
Bowl we don't know If Justin field's Complete Pro.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Bowl is not the barometer for good.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Quarterbacks Geno smith has a BETTER nfl resume Than Justin.
Fields we don't know If Justin fields is a starter
in this. League we Know gino. Is he's probably the
seventeenth best. Starter, oh we Know gino's a.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Starter next, Up.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
COLIN i temporarily lifted the ban on The. Steelers we're
gonna talk about him, briefly so they Enter ota still
not knowing The Aaron rodgers. Situation But Will howard are
you seeing this video? HERE i mean kind of looks
like a. Linebacker he's a big boy. There he was
a six round. Pick and he, Said Ben roethlisberger has
taken him under his.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Wings you actually have the same. Agent so we got
connected through. That he's been really. Good he's been super
supportive of me through this whole. Process and you talked
him before you became A OH i. DIDN'T i, didn't,
okay BEFORE i became A, steeler but throughout now being A,
steeler like getting to know. Him he's been really helpful for,
me to texting me checking in last, week you, know
(24:10):
just been a really good. Mentor you, KNOW i can
see him being a really good mentor for me going.
Forward and he's been super.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Nice Tom will's gonna be a nice.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Backup he has one huge individuals did YOU i mean
maybe the interviewer whoever that, was was, tiny But Will
howard looks enormous now he needs to work on The
farmers Tan obviously that was you, know pretty. Bad BUT
i don't, know is there any chance If rogers doesn't
go To, pittsburgh, WELL i Will howard Unseating Meson.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
RUDOLPH i don't.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Know it's a good question because we're hearing nothing From.
AARON i would say. NO i Think Will howard's the
backup In.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Pittsburgh, yeah he had a charm to run with The.
Buckeyes let's be.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Real final, Story, colin we're gonna talk about the free
throw MERCHANT sga your. Guy he had thirty one. POINTS
i need to add it was on twenty seven, shots
which is highly. Inefficient, anyways he had nine Assists okase
rolls in the second. Half now here's what's. Interesting this
was picked up by some Angry nuggets. Fans earlier this,
Season denver Coach Michael, malone before he was, fired went
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on this rant about, how, hey, man you can't vote
him THE. Mvp the MVP's our, Guy. Jokis so last
Night Michael malone takes up a job for the other.
Network and here's what he had to say After game one.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Shake Gilgess alexander showed wise he's THE. Mvp it took
over in the second. Half it's so in a very
efficient manner and put the team on his back when
they needed it needed him to do.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
So so you know what's going on, here, Right And
i'm not wearing a tinfoil. Hat Denver nuggets fans, Say,
Oh Michael malone is saying that because he's ticked Off
jokis didn't save his job for.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Him and he's.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Now flipped and, said, Oh jokis was THE mvp. Earlier
now he's, Saying SGA's THE. Mvp is that two conspiracy
theorists for?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
You, yeah THE nba can be a petty. LEAGUE i.
DO i would have VOTED.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Sga THE, mvp AND i think the best player is Easily.
Jokic but it's a regular season award AND okc was
historically dominant in the regular. Season so how your team fares.
Matters it's not just it's not called most statistically superior,
player it's the most. Valuable how can you be valuable
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if your team's like a four or five, seed you're not.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
A valued a?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Minute all, right, now you stepped in, it my. Friend
so you.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Love to Say Rock perdy's got a stack. Deck if
you TAKE sga, off ok, see they had so much,
talent they're still a playing. Team you Take jokic off The, nuggets.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
They're twenty two wins in top five pick in the.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Draft that you can agree, with, Right, okay he has
a pretty stack, rusted.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yes But i'm not BLAMING sga for.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
That the truth is their roster is the deepest by
far in the, league and if you TAKE sga off,
it they are not the same, team but.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
They can win.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Games if you Take tatum off the second deepest, Roster
boston can win.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Games denver's roster is not the.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Same if you Put jokic ON, okc AN sga On.
Denver If jokic didn't play FOR, okc they'd still win
Games boston AND. Okc of great, players the roster constructions.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Insane they're like next. Level denver doesn't have a. Bench
so is it leaves they their whole team?
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Unwrapped so is it safe to say there is a
parallel between Rock perty AND.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Sca no one is the NFL's. One one is a, eight,
ten twelve best. Quarterback the other is THE nba leading.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Score like one guy is A hall Of fame, talent
The hall of no.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
He is he.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Is if you gave me, choices he'd be my fourth
best quarterback in THE Nfc.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
West oh, stop, Well i'll say right, now if you
gave me, choice Says i'm not TAKING sca top seven
in the, League i'll take it six guys ahead of, him,
maybe oh.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Easily, okay let's. Go let's start with the.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Honest we'll go jokicch we'll Go, luca we'll Go Jason,
tatum we will GO i, MEAN i could still if
it's just for a, Year Steph, Curry i'm dead to
take A Steph curry over.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Him OBVIOUSLY i would Take Jalen brunson OVER.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
SCA i don't know that there's any debate. THERE i
would have to think long and hard About. Halliburton, YEAH
i THINK sca is very. Good but, Again, colin this
guy can't shoot three. Pointers he's a free throw merchant
on a stack.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Deck, yes that that that's like Criticizing brady because you,
Know brady didn't throw the ball down the field except
when he Had Randy. Moss brady was the best pre
snaff quarterback. Ever, yeah arguably the best cold weather quarterback,
ever the best leader, ever never, misstarts was one of
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the most.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Was one of the great big game clutch.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Quarterbacks, yeah didn't throw the ball down the field because
it's an inefficient. Play and when he didn't Have Randy,
moss he didn't have guys that beat people down the.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Field Tom brady's not in this, Discussion, okay s G.
A he was not like the number one overall. Pick
remember The clippers had.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Him and they were like he led THE nba in.
Scoring it's pretty talented.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
LEAGUE i Mean James harden's in like four.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Times James harden is NOT. Sgs he is a very good.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Defender i'll give him that he's.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Excellent, well, yeah you're talking To harden's an all time
bad defender AND sga is a good. Defender there's a
that's a huge. Swing that's a thirty percent. Swing AND
i also think That James harden sort of found a
loophole in the league rules which they.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Eliminated there is no. LOOPHOLE sga just gets fouled and
hits free. Throws there's no loophole.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Doing that that drag move that they, had and THE
nba eliminated.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
It, yeah they.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
CAN'T nba can't do anything TO. Sga they can't do.
Anything he just gets. Fouled he gets breathed. One As
chris Fitger i said earlier this.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Season jmckle the, News well that's the, news and thanks
for stopping. By The herdline news sounds like a good.
Problem it's actually a band a, problem and AN nfl,
team a great, one is facing.
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Speaker 3 (31:54):
Lane So Mac.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Brown coached At North, carolina then went on to fame
riches in a national title At, texas and then they went,
broadcasting and then they went back To North.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Carolina they did a good.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Job he did a good. Job he raised a lot of.
Money North carolina got Into bowl. Games they put a
lot of guys in THE. Nfl but it does a basketball.
School so he retires his last. YEAR i think he's
six and six And Bill belichick takes.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Over so they asked him About.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Belichick And i'm not saying what he's saying is, untrue
BUT i could see where The belichick, people The belichick
camp wouldn't love What Mac brown said when he was
asked About belichick with The Tar heels.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
As far As North carolina And Bill belichick now he's
arguably the best coach. Ever they've committed money to, it
they've helped them with, academics they've lowered those standards, some
so there's absolutely no reason that they shouldn't be. Successful and.
Anymore they've changed the. ROSTER i think they've signed maybe
sixty something new, transfers so you chances to succeed at
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the highest, level AND i expect them to do, that
And i'm proud for.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Them he may be, right but if you take Out Notre,
dame there is no top twelve college football, program top
fifteen college football program that can't get the best high schoolers.
In when you talk about, academics you know they've lowered the.
Standards Notre dame is. Different they're a top fifteen program
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and it's a tough school to get, in and it's
a tough school to get. Through, stanford but they're not
a top fifteen. Program they've had. Stretches stanford's another program
where you know it's hard to get. In i've had
coaches tell me At, stanford you can't keep eighty five
guys on. Scholarship they can't find enough players that academically
qualify For. Stanford did they lower academic standards At? Carolina
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my take has always Been carolina is one of those
schools that if they want to get a player, in
they'll get a player. In SO i could See belichick
people a little blanching at that a little. Bit BUT
i do think this is WHERE i Give carolina a
lot of credit is they, realized, listen in our, conference
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there is one big dog and that big dog Is.
Clemson and how are we going to Catch? Clemson, Well
clemson will not play the nil. Game they're the only
national power that's not interested in. It AND i Think
carolina smartly, Said, okay they're not going to do. It
this is a moment in time to catch the big
(34:31):
Dog clemson in our. Conference we're going to go completely
pro model and go all in on. Nil and this
is a little bit What oregon did With Chip Kelly
Mike pilotti did a good, job but it was Always
washington AND usc with the big names in the. Conference
they you, know they had national, championships And oregon, said
how do we catch? Them, Well Phil knight one hundred
(34:53):
uniforms to GET la kids be. Cool we're going to
be the cool. Program we're not gonna like you In
washington grab on this.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Tradition we have no. Tradition we're going to go one
hundred uniforms and we're going to go hire a guy
in Chip. Kelly they don't.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Huddle oregon stopped huddling for a long. Time we're not
gonna huddle. It i'll play every thirteen. Seconds and it,
worked And oregon is still on top Of washington AND.
Usc so to catch the big dog in the, conference
you've got to take big.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Swings AND i.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Look At carolina and, saying, hey we got a moment
in time. Here clemson's not playing the nil, game so
let's go all in on, nil all in on A nfl,
model all in On belichick And Jordan hudson. Too SO
i respect What carolina is. DOING i think it's the
only way to be a disruptor is to look at
the leading models and do the.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Opposite this is.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Interesting The Buffalo, BILLS i was just told in my,
earpiece are going to do hard.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Knocks they've been.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Selected, now usually you get boring teams or dysfunctional teams
or chaotic teams or. Teams that's WHY i hard knocks
eliminates all the good. Teams So buffalo is actually. Fascinating
this is a team that they're the only TEAM i
saw this. Yesterday The Buffalo, bills Not, philadelphia are the
only team to be favored in every game next.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Year so.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
The eagles Face buffalo at the end of the, season
and right Now buffalo's a one and a half point
favorite in that. Game you can bet. It so my
takeaway on this Is. Buffalo this sounds like a good.
Problem buffalo's in a really tough. Spot Josh allen just
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turned twenty. Nine he's audaciously talented six six two fifty
five or more and a great. Runner he's in the
middle of his prime and last season off his best,
season The Kansas City chiefs were the single most Vulnerable
chiefs team Since mahomes. Arrived o line, issues receiver maturity,
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issues health, issues And Kansas city still beat him in
THE afc Champions and When sean McDermott got into those
short yardage situations With Josh allen leaping, Over i've got
to be, honest it looked like a defensive coach that
was a bit unprepared on third and fourth and one.
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Calls it was really. Bad it was the opposite of
the tush. Push it looked. Unpracticed and so here's the.
Problem sean McDermott is a good. Coach in, fact i'd
say he's a good. Coach is He Mark jackson to
The warriors where he's a good, coach a playoff, coach
a smart, coach but not the championship. Coach and if
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you look at THE, afc now you've Got Annie, reid.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Both are. Boss Sean payton's in. It oh, Oops Mike
vrabel just.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Reappeared so it's very easy when you watch one of
those music shows to spot great and. Lousy you, know
it's just not that hard to see mediocre or bad or.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Great what do you do with good to pretty?
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Good and it would be one thing If buffalo had seven.
Trophies they're the one team in The National Football league
who is now in its second run that's gonna last
over a, decade that's good enough to get there often gets,
there and has no. Trophies they're like the LAST i,
mean it was one thing when The cubs won A World,
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series they were just bad.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Forever the lovable.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Losers, Now buffalo's had The Jim kelly, era The Josh allen,
era where we're, LIKE i think half those years they
were the best team in THE nfl and they got no.
Trophies so that adds to the tension in the. City
if you got trophies like The packers or The. Eagles
in the back, room it's a different vibe. Entirely so
how long Is Dion dawkins going to remain healthy at left?
(38:51):
TACKLE i look this, Morning Josh allen's cap hit is going.
Up it's kind of The sean McDermott dilemma where he's not,
bad BUT i don't think he's, great BUT i think
he's good to pretty. Good and The warriors moved Off Mark,
jackson and it was a risk Because Mark jackson was
a good. Coach so you do get to a point With.
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Buffalo it's interesting that they're going to be the you,
know THE Hbo Max show or THE hbo Show Hard.
Knocks usually it is a team with an outrageous personality
at coach or at. Quarterback McDermott's pretty, muted pretty. INTENSE
i do Think buffalo is, interesting but they're the only
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team favored to win every game next, year and yet
here we. Are do you really Think Kansas city had its,
worst most vulnerable. Team now they have blown out in
The Super. Bowl this was their most vulnerable. Year and
now It's. Peyton now it's both. Hardballs here Comes, rabel
(39:57):
and all of them have their. Quarterbacks horrorball's got his.
Quarterback Jim harbaugh's got his. Quarterback Sean payton's got his.
Quarterback Mike, Frabel drake MAY i think he's got his.
Quarterback sean does, too but the pressure is really on.
Him by the, way good news, HERE. JMC i know
we're not supposed to talk about, this But i'm just reading.
(40:18):
This What Pernielsen live same plus same day data first
two rounds of THE Nba playoffs average four point two million,
viewers three point three percent improvement versus a year.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Ago, great.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Wonderful so ratings we're talking about ratings for THE. Nba Gator,
NO i remember yesterday you shut me. Down you're, like,
oh they got their, Deal they're, Fine who?
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Cares?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Well can two things be?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
True, yes of course they got seventy six, billion and
baseball hockey and THE nba and THE mls regular season
ratings going forward are never going to be great because
we are an. Event society were more, distracted there's more,
content there's more. Platforms hockey ratings regular season are. Awful BASEBALL?
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Mls where IS?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Mls? Apple where is? Hey?
Speaker 5 (41:10):
Hey as a socier, Owner let's not disparage the.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Sport but let's be at two things are. True they
got seventy six billion and the league is.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Fine, well, listen how about this is anec data was
what they like to.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Call there's a guy who works, here you, know he's a.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Big lakers, fan AND i asked, Him, hey would you
think of the game last?
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Night the free throw? Merchant he, SAID i didn't see the, Game, johnny.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Obviously i'm talking About and he's, LIKE i HAD i had.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
My nephew's birthday party to go, to.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
AND i just, wondered colin, nationwide if you've got an
invite on A tuesday night versus checkout thunder against things.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Like, no that's a legitimate. Question you're not Skipping, LEBRON i.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
DON'T i think the increases in ratings will go now
backwards From, Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
OKAC i think it will go.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
Backwards, well last year it Was, dallas and who was It, Dallas,
minnesota WHICH i don't think we're great.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Rating, well that Was Luca louca that Helped hour three
around the corner and they heard h
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Pacers tonight. Two things can be true. The NBA got
seventy six billion dollars and they're fined. And I don't
think Minnesota and Oklahoma City are going to get great ratings.
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So I think all those slight ratings increases. There's a
lot of NBA ratings talk. We never talk hockey, talk
hockey read in the tank. We don't talk baseball ratings.
We talk NBA ratings. I'm not sure why it is
such a thing. It's been around for a long time.
It's been flourishing since the eighties.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
But let's be above that. Let's be above the freight.
Not talk about that.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Let's go and talk about why brock Purdy was flighted
in the PFF quarterback Tier ratings.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Colin Huh, well, it came out today.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I actually think they did a really good job. Usually
on these rankings, I've got big pushback PFF and they
watch every play. They ranked all thirty two starters ahead
of this year. I thought CJ. Stroud was five or
six spots two.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Other than that, How on earth is Geno Smith in
the same tier as brock Perty. I mean, I would
love to see the metrics from PFF. I'm going to
go read them during the next commercial break. But there
is zero data that can tell me that Geno Smith
has had the last three years as good as brock Perty.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
No way, no shot.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, brock Purty last year lost eight of his last
nine starts.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Yeah, last year. Did we forget the years before that?
The two years before.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That usually get you usually don't get big contracts. Last
year was the first year that Brockford he had to
play without a stack roster, and he lost eight of
his last nine starts. That's the difference between the haves
and have nots. Oh C J stroud O line was awful.
Receivers all hurt made the playoffs want a playoff game.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Niners thought he win that division last year without semac.
If they're playing in the AFC South with those jokers,
I thought.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
What was interesting about it. I think the PFF did
a really good job. They have Dak Prescott the highest
paid quarterback in the league at seventeenth, one spot ahead
of Tua, and I think that's perfect. I would take
Dak by a whisker over Tua if I was a
general manager. Both Dak and Tua are pocket guys, both
have had multiple injuries, both are kind of reliant on
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their supporting cast, and both signed their contract with the
Dolphins and Cowboys respectively. And our first thought was, eh,
the team got worked good for two and Dak they
made out. And that's always been my concern with Brock
that I think he's very much. I think he's a
little better than Tua, not much. And this was interesting.
Adam Schefter had this story brought. Purdy asked the Niners
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for sixty five million annually and settled for significantly less
than that, but more important. No team showed trade interest
at all, and we know seven teams needed a quarterback.
So that is also very similar to TUA and DAK
that their teams view them higher than the league does.
(03:31):
There's no interest outside of Dallas for DAK. There's no
interest for TA outside of Miami and brock Purty. According
to Adam Schefter, who I trust, there was no big, great,
league wide interest. I got news for you.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
If CJ.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Stroud was on the market, you got twelve teams calling.
So I've always said, you're as good as the market dictates.
Your home company can love you. But if you're on
the street, what's the market to say? If Justin Herbert
and CJ. Stroud are on the street, there's a lot
of interest. I mean, Herbert's six' five two point thirty
(04:08):
huge arm and. Moves eighteen teams are interested in, him
thirty two teams are interested In Josh allen And, mahomes
and probably twenty eight are interested In lamar And Joe.
Burrow so what is your value you're on the, market
what's the market to?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
SAY i don't.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Care if you're a talk show, HOST i don't. Care
if you're a, Quarterback you're on the. Market who comes
knocking the more come.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Knocking to me.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
That that's an amplification of your. Talent and according To,
schefter nobody came knocking for.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Pretty but that's.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay The niners love, him The cowboys Love, dak The
dolphins love. Too it nothing wrong with. That their employers
feel better about them than the market. Does and they've
been paid all the. Money So i'm never going to
root against a guy making. Money Brock perty's family and
him are set for, years for decades with. That Rachel
nichols JOINS us game one of The Western Conference.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Finals in the. Books BEFORE i get to, that this
this has been a topic on our. SHOW I.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So David stern inherited a league where there was a
different champion every, year and though there were some good
players Like Rick berry Or DOCTOR, j the league didn't
have a lot of dynamic television, presence you know. People
and So David stern was very okay with big markets
and the collaboration of stars because he saw the opposite of. That,
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Now Adam silver's, Different. Rachel he Saw David stern's version
of THE, nba which was stacked, rosters ticked off ninety
percent of the owners and these big cities often. Flourishing
so my take has been what you're seeing now in
THE nba is what this.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Is Finally Adam silver's. League this is what he wants
it to. Be do you think it'll work?
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Well, look owners want, parody right because more guys want
a piece of the. Pie if one team is, winning
you know four or five years in a, row that
everyone else is shut out of that playoff. Money so
owners love. Parody this is making a lot of guys
who Are Adam silver's boss. Happy the little bit of
the twist on it is that the general public actually
follows THE nba more during dynasty seasons because you get
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to know the warriors over. Time your grandma knows Who
Steph curry. Is, wherefore when you have different champion after
different champion after different, champion we all know Who Ant edwards.
Is we think he's a, star he's got Great criminic.
Charisma but the question is is he breaking through to
sort of the regular. Fan THE nba needs some dynasties
mixed in with the new faces coming. In you need
a mix to be.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Popular SO i think it's interesting The pacers have the
fastest paced team in the league for three straight. Years
the nixt are the slowest paced team in THE nba
for two straight. Years it is a. Clash it's a boxing.
Match styles make. Fight it is a clash of. Pace
And indiana has done an unbelievable job to dominate pace
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Against milwaukee And. Cleveland they set the pace and they
won this. Series i'm interested when you talk to people
around the league and they look at this, REALLY i,
mean these are a clash Of this is like a
passing team and a running team in THE. Nfl who
do people in the league like in The Knicks pacers,
series which starts to, night.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
It's very.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Split it's. Interesting first of, All i'm here In New.
York the energy around the city is exactly what you
would Expect colin if you talk to people on the
streets and the. Taxis not only are The knicks going
to sweep The pacers in this, series they're also going
to sweep the finals and somehow win some titles in the.
Process so that's the energy going on here right. Now
and certainly The knicks matchups so well against The, pacers
but they're going to find a defense that they haven't
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seen so. Far you Think detroit pressed them a. Lot
The pacers because of their, depth they can go full court.
Press so when you talk about the pace of The
knicks or what they want to do, offensively who's going
to have their? Way The knicks have to get. There
Jalen brunson has to be able to get to what
he wants to, do and he's going to see pressure
like he hasn't quite seen. Before you know how good
The pacers are in. Transition you know how the good
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they are at getting points off of steelts. TURNOVERS i
think that's really part of the matchup to watch tonight
to see whose style makes this.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Fight you, know it's.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Funny six months ago to a year, Ago tibbs was in.
Trouble people were saying the practices are too, hard he
doesn't play as, bench this is not working and today
AND i don't know what his contract situation, is but
he could probably get an. EXTENSION i feel Like rachel
and this happened sometimes in different. Industries the league moved Into.
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Tibbs they were tired of three point. Shooting they thought
it was too homogenous and too, repetitive and they wanted
half court. Basketball they wanted physicality because fans loved the
physical well even see it With Caitlin clark and angel.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Reaesed if you're, physical it gets talked. About it's.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
CONTROVERSIAL i feel Like tibbs is now the most secure
A New York knicks coach has been since Pat.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Riley what do you?
Speaker 6 (08:48):
HEAR i, mean, look, yes certainly in a postseason where
they're not calling as. Much that favors different styles of
teams and different styles of, coaches And tibbs has always
been in.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
That hard nosed basketball.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Category BUT i would Say TIBs even was quote In,
trouble And trouble's probably the wrong way to say it
Because Leon roseen here are so, close so who knows
how close he would actually come to not getting future.
Contracts but there are a lot of whispers About tibbs
going into The detroit, series and even during The Detroit, Series,
colin there was talk if they lost The Detroit, series
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what was going to happen To? Tibbs they had to
take a really hard look at his. Future, now all
of a, sudden they went two series later and he's
the toast of THE. Nba so sometimes we talk about
matchups and sort of how the bracket fills out and
how that affects players and their. Legacy, oh he never
got out of the second. Round well that's because he
always had these tough first and second round matchups out
in The, west that kind of. Thing, well they got
a great bracket, here they, had you, know based The
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Boston celtics team that didn't play like itself the first two.
Games Then Jason tatum gets, hurt and here they, are
And TIBs is the toast of THE, nba AND i
certainly wouldn't expect anyone to talk about his job security going.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Forward you, Know.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
SO, sga When James harden was doing the step back,
move it felt like he was working the. League he
was working the. System some have said The tush push
is working the, system although THE nfl owners today voted
to extend. IT i don't feel that WITH. SGA i
THINK sga is just a contract. Initiator he's good from the,
line he's a great pure. Shooter i'm not bothered by
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THE sja. WHISTLE i thought he got one whistle last
night that was. Ridiculous BUT i, Overall i'm, like he's
a really good player that initiates.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Contract it hardened bothered. Me this.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Doesn't brunson's flopping can be. Irritating this. Doesn't how is
he viewed.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
In the, League, YEAH i mean people just think he's
such a pure. Player you. KNOW i talked to several
players throughout the league this, season every single one of,
them many of them on, camera Including James harden by the,
way told me he is THE mvp of the league this,
season and THE mvp is going to be announced, tonight
AND i would certainly Expect sga to be the one
to walk home with that. Hardware his game is so
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complete THAT i think no one feels like it's maybe
the way they felt About hardened because they don't feel
like he's depending on that and only. That so you
have a lot of guys around the, league players who
really respect the way this guy's, played and you don't
really hear about that foul merchant stuff That Doris burke
mentioned last night is all OVER Nba.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
TWITTER i want to wrap up with.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
This there are three levels of players that are going
to potentially. Move there's The yannis, level a dominant player
still in his. Prime there's THE kd level out of his,
prime but an excellent player twenty six a game can
catch and shoot on any team in the. League then
there's the kaminga, level not a refined, player but you're
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gonna get twenty. Points he's moving into his. Prime he
still has some. REFINEMENT i feel like there are three
levels of, this but let's go to The yannis, level
because his numbers have been dominating over the last couple of.
Years usually when we predict a huge, market you find,
out like with The luca, trade there was like one team.
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Involved do you think there's, six, seven eight teams For?
Lucah for, instance THE NIXT i thought needed a big.
Swing NOW i don't think they do need a big.
SWING i would not MAKE i would not give up
picks and players For. YANNIS i think with this new
style they could win a. Title what do you think
the market is For?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
YANNIS i think the market For yannis is going to be.
ENORMOUS i think, That, yeah there are so many teams
who feel they are One Yannis koopo away from a.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Title and in this.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Day and age where there is as you started the
segment talking about so much parody and just one guy
who can push you over the edge is rare in TODAY'S,
nba And yannis is that, Guy SO i think there
will be a huge market for. HIM i think there
will be teams that we're not even thinking about who
are willing to make deals we're not even believing they're
able to. Make we've been talking to you AND I
colin about sort of the top three that people keep talking.
About are The spurs now going to make a bigger
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push For, yannis not that they have that number two
pick that's dangling there that they won in the. Lottery
The Houston rocket's still going to be the favorite to
try to get a player Like. Yannis you, Know jannis
came out and didn't ask me ANYTHING q AND, a
which is so y, honest right when there's grade rumors
about him and, Everything and, gee who did he name
as his.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Number one player out? There who did he?
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Say he Said Steph, curry which is not exactly a
veiled sort of reference to the fact that there's been
A Yannis steph sort of romance over the.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Years so The warriors.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Have long wanted to Get.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
YANNIS i think there will be a lot of teams
in the, derby and it's just a matter of Does
giannis want to, leave do The bucks deal?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Him and who?
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Too they haven't done that great with keeping guys in
their own, conference so So Drew, Holliday SO i would
expect him to go to The west one way or the.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Other great. Stuff Rachel nichols as almost, Thanks, rache appreciate.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
It thank.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
You, hey J, mac let me throw this at. You
this is completely.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Hypothetical Mike dunlavey, says, Well i'm just going to throw
this out.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
There you got to make salaries.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Match so you, guys you, Guys Jason, martin you guys
can figure this out here BECAUSE i don't have it
in front of. Me Butler, Kaminga butler A minga four
first round. Picks you're THE gm of The Milwaukee. Bucks, no, thanks,
okay that's WHAT i would. Say, no BUT i will
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tell you now here's WHAT i would. Say knowing that
college basketball is becoming more. Domestic this draft this, year
all the top players look. Like it's not A european.
Draft the story we reported on where THE nil is
now Buying.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Europeans The spanish leagues are chock full of the, bad
more young talent than any of the. Leagues The spanish. Leagues,
okay they're.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Thinking of shuddering it because THE nil here in The
states is buying their best. Players so a draft pick
for the previous fifteen, years you were, like can they play?
Well draft picks, now especially at the top of the,
draft are going to be BETTER nba prospects.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
There but you're not going to be picking at the
top of the draft with.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
That with the picks you get from The.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Warriors they've Got curry And, giannis it's going to be
like in the late, twenties you.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Know SO i don't. KNOW i STILL i Think houston
is the team to.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
WATCH i Think San antonio is lurking in the, Shadow
like would you part With Stefan castle if you're gonna
Get janis back and then you Pair giannison body?
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Together?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
No, no waits.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
How many how many MVPs Is Stefan castle are gonna?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
WIN i don't think he's gonna win him Because wemby
will and he will because of the eight assists he
gets From castle And castle's ability to force you out
of doubles to Guard.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Castle i'm not giving.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
That by the, way what is also happening in THE
nba guard driven? Sport What's castle? LONG i mean great,
length can hit, jumpers drive. Forceful if you start looking
at THE nba right, now it is becoming a point guard.
Lead because of the multiple, aprons you can't stack, stars
so it is pace of.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Play i'm not Giving castle.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Up, okay, fine would you give Up Amen thompson if You're, Houston.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Well houston only has one or. TWO i Want shanngoon And.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Thompson i'm not interested in anything else they, have And
houston has said all, Men thompson is off the. Market,
Okay SO i don't Think. HOUSTON i, MEAN i don't
want a bunch of picks In Jalen. Green i'm not interested.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
That you want.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
CRAZINESS okc has a, kid Kese On wallace on the.
Bench WHO i, mean, listen there's a lot of hype around.
Him he's only twenty, one very good.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Player how about?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
This what if you included him in a?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Package you, know you give up the salaries to match
And wallace and two or three first For.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Johanna, no, no no, NO i would Want, Chet, Holmgren
wallace and four.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
FIRST i would do that For jannis at a, heartbeat
If i'm.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Okay that's. Interesting SO i Love. HOMEGREN i Think homegren's really.
Good injuries worry me a little because of his. Size
but home Gren Cason wallace four firsts.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
IS i, mean you need more to get the salaries to.
Match but by Lou dorn interesting.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
One Lou, DORT i mean Loud dort somehow starts over
case On.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
WALLACE i don't get. It by the, way can we
stop breathing on sca and calling a? Foul did you
see that garbage last? NIGHT i mean, one are you?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Great oh my, gosh there was the one where he
drove was left And i'm not sure what. HAPPENED i
don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
What maybe it was the jersey number by the, way
up came off its fabric and.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Bump.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah by the, way he was ten of twenty seven.
Shooting i've never seen more hype for a ten for
twenty seven. Pillman then last night thirty one points on
twenty seven. Shots that's Like Russell westbrook, action the hype.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Trait let me just, say you go look At Michael
jordan and Those utah. Finals michael ended up with twenty
eight points on horrible shooting on multiple. Games part of
this league is getting to the free throw, line and
that's part of the sport is getting to the line
That Michael.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Jordan fans want to tune in for the final. Hour for.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Sure today somebody's getting lit. Up we'll talk about that
in the final.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
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Speaker 3 (17:53):
Like All, right the Touch push lives for another.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
DAY nfl owners did not take the recommendation of two
different committees in THE, nfl and by a very narrow,
margin THE nfl owner, Said we're going to keep the Tush.
Push so that Makes Philadelphia eagle fans and players very.
Happy Jason, kelsey the Former, eagle apparently, talked stood up and, said,
(18:24):
LISTEN i don't think it's as dangerous as you're. Saying
so that's good for The Philadelphia. Eagles anybody can use.
IT i was a bit. Surprised we're seeing horse collar tackling,
Eliminated Cam chancellor jumping over trying to block kicks. Eliminated
there wasn't a lot of data of injuries. There the
kickoff has basically been completely, altered So i'm. SURPRISED i
(18:46):
thought it looked dangerous enough for THE nfl to move off.
It they, didn't so The eagles once again the play
they created remains a viable part of their third and
one and fourth and one offensive.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
SITUATIONS J mack with The news.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Turns this is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Coll let's start with The Vegas.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Raiders they've had quite an, offseason Right Pete carroll's a
new head, coach they got The Chip kelly's the NEW,
oc Drafted ashton, genty but the big one is trading
for Quarterback Gino. Smith he's now reunited With Pete. Carroll
they had some success In, seattle but it's just the
first time working With Chip. Kelly gino Says kelly has
made the transition, smooth adding the chip nose THAT i
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can see the. Game whatever, THAT i don't. Know i'm
kind of torn on his. Team we talked about him a, Lot,
colin but there are Some raiders fans on. Staff, hint,
hint what do you really think Of Gino?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Smith Because i'm shocked if he was in that same
tier As Brock. PERDY i can't.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
KILL i Think Pete carroll clearly likes. Him he defended
him In. Seattle he brought him into The. Raiders so
you know they always, say just like when people look for,
jobs it takes. One AND i Think Pete carroll likes.
Him Pete carroll likes. Him he's a big guy with
a big arm that can throw the ball down the.
Field The raiders are going to be a run first
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team With Chip kelly And Ashton genty Brock bowers tight,
end not a wide, out SO i think they'll. Play you,
Know pete is old school little but he wants more conservative,
game low on, turnovers run game in, defense and special.
Teams so my take Is geno Fits. Pete it only takes.
ONE i, mean Like Adam shefter, reporting nobody was calling
(20:30):
About Brock. Purty Kyle shanahan loves. Him that's all it.
Takes mike McDaniel Loves. Tua Brian flores did. Not it takes.
One he got.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Paid.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Man you, know we try to be thought leaders And
i'm just gonna float this out.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
There you tell me your. Thoughts So Pete carroll.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Gets the, job and first thing he says is we
got to get a.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Quarterback this quarterback room was. Garbage last. Name so he
looks at the.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Landscape he's Like, okay we could make a play For Sam,
darnold but he kind of had an outlier year With kevin.
O'Connor we could, draft we could look at the quarterbacks
in the. Draft you, know we have a top ten.
Pick maybe maybe we like shador so they kick the
tires on the quarterbacks and, Hey Kirk, cousins we could
go out and trade for, him but he's look on
a What Maybe gino was simply the best option among
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a pretty weak slate in the offseason of quarterback.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Options, well is is that possibly what?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
HAPPENED i Think donald And gino are similar in that
if you hurry, them their mistakes. Increase BUT i could
See Pete, carroll based on his, history Thinking donald was
a little reckless for his. Taste gino's not necessarily. Reckless
he's actually not. Reckless if he has a run. Game
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he's a very good play action pass quarterback over one hundred.
Rating BUT i can see In pete's world Watching sam
and thinking he can do a little hero.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Ball he's a little.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Reckless he was at, college he was with The, jets
he was With, carolina SO i think that's been coached
out of.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Him but LIKE i Get.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
PINA i Get pete Picking gino Over Sam darnold THAT i.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Guess it's, LIKE i, mean it's not quite like when
you're playing you're playing pick up, recess you, know when
you're dividing up the teams and there's a draft and
there's like three guys, left and it's, like, Well i've
got to take that guy because he's. THERE i don't
know that Like Gino smith is the long term. Answer
this is a bridge quarterback clearly right one or two.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
YEARS i don't know if that's. True, AGAIN i Think
Pete carroll looks at that division and Sees Mahomes herbert
specifically and, Thinks, okay that's not available on the. Market
What i'm not gonna do is somebody that's Impersonating herbert Or.
Mahomes i'm gonna get somebody that understands. Himself he's a smart.
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PLAYER i, Mean gino's a total, pro he's a total.
Adult he takes it very. Seriously And pete's, like this
is my kind of.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Guy IF i.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Can't get him A, holmes Then i'm not gonna cost
myself wins by somebody that's. Reckless that's Why donald's a
little he's a little skill DHARM i would.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
LO i, mean if you Corner Pete carroll at a
party in one of your slinky affairs that you go,
to maybe you could ask To, hey why Not Justin?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Field What Justin field? Is Join field's never made A Pro.
Bowl we don't know If Justin field's Complete Pro.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Bowl is not the barometer for good.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Quarterbacks Geno smith has a BETTER nfl resume Than Justin.
Fields we don't know If Justin fields is a starter
in this. League we Know gino. Is he's probably the
seventeenth best. Starter, oh we Know gino's a.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Starter next, Up.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
COLIN i temporarily lifted the ban on The. Steelers we're
gonna talk about him, briefly so they Enter ota still
not knowing The Aaron rodgers. Situation But Will howard are
you seeing this video? HERE i mean kind of looks
like a. Linebacker he's a big boy. There he was
a six round. Pick and he, Said Ben roethlisberger has
taken him under his.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Wings you actually have the same. Agent so we got
connected through. That he's been really. Good he's been super
supportive of me through this whole. Process and you talked
him before you became A OH i. DIDN'T i, didn't,
okay BEFORE i became A, steeler but throughout now being A,
steeler like getting to know. Him he's been really helpful for,
me to texting me checking in last, week you, know
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just been a really good. Mentor you, KNOW i can
see him being a really good mentor for me going.
Forward and he's been super.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Nice Tom will's gonna be a nice.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Backup he has one huge individuals did YOU i mean
maybe the interviewer whoever that, was was, tiny But Will
howard looks enormous now he needs to work on The
farmers Tan obviously that was you, know pretty. Bad BUT
i don't, know is there any chance If rogers doesn't
go To, pittsburgh, WELL i Will howard Unseating Meson.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
RUDOLPH i don't.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Know it's a good question because we're hearing nothing From.
AARON i would say. NO i Think Will howard's the
backup In.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Pittsburgh, yeah he had a charm to run with The.
Buckeyes let's be.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Real final, Story, colin we're gonna talk about the free
throw MERCHANT sga your. Guy he had thirty one. POINTS
i need to add it was on twenty seven, shots
which is highly. Inefficient, anyways he had nine Assists okase
rolls in the second. Half now here's what's. Interesting this
was picked up by some Angry nuggets. Fans earlier this,
Season denver Coach Michael, malone before he was, fired went
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on this rant about, how, hey, man you can't vote
him THE. Mvp the MVP's our, Guy. Jokis so last
Night Michael malone takes up a job for the other.
Network and here's what he had to say After game one.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Shake Gilgess alexander showed wise he's THE. Mvp it took
over in the second. Half it's so in a very
efficient manner and put the team on his back when
they needed it needed him to do.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
So so you know what's going on, here, Right And
i'm not wearing a tinfoil. Hat Denver nuggets fans, Say,
Oh Michael malone is saying that because he's ticked Off
jokis didn't save his job for.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Him and he's.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Now flipped and, said, Oh jokis was THE mvp. Earlier
now he's, Saying SGA's THE. Mvp is that two conspiracy
theorists for?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
You, yeah THE nba can be a petty. LEAGUE i.
DO i would have VOTED.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Sga THE, mvp AND i think the best player is Easily.
Jokic but it's a regular season award AND okc was
historically dominant in the regular. Season so how your team fares.
Matters it's not just it's not called most statistically superior,
player it's the most. Valuable how can you be valuable
(26:23):
if your team's like a four or five, seed you're not.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
A valued a?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Minute all, right, now you stepped in, it my. Friend
so you.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Love to Say Rock perdy's got a stack. Deck if
you TAKE sga, off ok, see they had so much,
talent they're still a playing. Team you Take jokic off The, nuggets.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
They're twenty two wins in top five pick in the.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Draft that you can agree, with, Right, okay he has
a pretty stack, rusted.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yes But i'm not BLAMING sga for.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
That the truth is their roster is the deepest by
far in the, league and if you TAKE sga off,
it they are not the same, team but.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
They can win.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Games if you Take tatum off the second deepest, Roster
boston can win.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Games denver's roster is not the.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Same if you Put jokic ON, okc AN sga On.
Denver If jokic didn't play FOR, okc they'd still win
Games boston AND. Okc of great, players the roster constructions.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Insane they're like next. Level denver doesn't have a. Bench
so is it leaves they their whole team?
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Unwrapped so is it safe to say there is a
parallel between Rock perty AND.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Sca no one is the NFL's. One one is a, eight,
ten twelve best. Quarterback the other is THE nba leading.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Score like one guy is A hall Of fame, talent
The hall of no.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
He is he.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Is if you gave me, choices he'd be my fourth
best quarterback in THE Nfc.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
West oh, stop, Well i'll say right, now if you
gave me, choice Says i'm not TAKING sca top seven
in the, League i'll take it six guys ahead of, him,
maybe oh.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Easily, okay let's. Go let's start with the.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Honest we'll go jokicch we'll Go, luca we'll Go Jason,
tatum we will GO i, MEAN i could still if
it's just for a, Year Steph, Curry i'm dead to
take A Steph curry over.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Him OBVIOUSLY i would Take Jalen brunson OVER.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
SCA i don't know that there's any debate. THERE i
would have to think long and hard About. Halliburton, YEAH
i THINK sca is very. Good but, Again, colin this
guy can't shoot three. Pointers he's a free throw merchant
on a stack.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Deck, yes that that that's like Criticizing brady because you,
Know brady didn't throw the ball down the field except
when he Had Randy. Moss brady was the best pre
snaff quarterback. Ever, yeah arguably the best cold weather quarterback,
ever the best leader, ever never, misstarts was one of
(28:55):
the most.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Was one of the great big game clutch.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Quarterbacks, yeah didn't throw the ball down the field because
it's an inefficient. Play and when he didn't Have Randy,
moss he didn't have guys that beat people down the.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Field Tom brady's not in this, Discussion, okay s G.
A he was not like the number one overall. Pick
remember The clippers had.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Him and they were like he led THE nba in.
Scoring it's pretty talented.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
LEAGUE i Mean James harden's in like four.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Times James harden is NOT. Sgs he is a very good.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Defender i'll give him that he's.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Excellent, well, yeah you're talking To harden's an all time
bad defender AND sga is a good. Defender there's a
that's a huge. Swing that's a thirty percent. Swing AND
i also think That James harden sort of found a
loophole in the league rules which they.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Eliminated there is no. LOOPHOLE sga just gets fouled and
hits free. Throws there's no loophole.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Doing that that drag move that they, had and THE
nba eliminated.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
It, yeah they.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
CAN'T nba can't do anything TO. Sga they can't do.
Anything he just gets. Fouled he gets breathed. One As
chris Fitger i said earlier this.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Season jmckle the, News well that's the, news and thanks
for stopping. By The herdline news sounds like a good.
Problem it's actually a band a, problem and AN nfl,
team a great, one is facing.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
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Speaker 2 (30:14):
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Lane So Mac.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Brown coached At North, carolina then went on to fame
riches in a national title At, texas and then they went,
broadcasting and then they went back To North.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Carolina they did a good.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Job he did a good. Job he raised a lot of.
Money North carolina got Into bowl. Games they put a
lot of guys in THE. Nfl but it does a basketball.
School so he retires his last. YEAR i think he's
six and six And Bill belichick takes.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Over so they asked him About.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Belichick And i'm not saying what he's saying is, untrue
BUT i could see where The belichick, people The belichick
camp wouldn't love What Mac brown said when he was
asked About belichick with The Tar heels.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
As far As North carolina And Bill belichick now he's
arguably the best coach. Ever they've committed money to, it
they've helped them with, academics they've lowered those standards, some
so there's absolutely no reason that they shouldn't be. Successful and.
Anymore they've changed the. ROSTER i think they've signed maybe
sixty something new, transfers so you chances to succeed at
(33:01):
the highest, level AND i expect them to do, that
And i'm proud for.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Them he may be, right but if you take Out Notre,
dame there is no top twelve college football, program top
fifteen college football program that can't get the best high schoolers.
In when you talk about, academics you know they've lowered the.
Standards Notre dame is. Different they're a top fifteen program
(33:27):
and it's a tough school to get, in and it's
a tough school to get. Through, stanford but they're not
a top fifteen. Program they've had. Stretches stanford's another program
where you know it's hard to get. In i've had
coaches tell me At, stanford you can't keep eighty five
guys on. Scholarship they can't find enough players that academically
qualify For. Stanford did they lower academic standards At? Carolina
(33:50):
my take has always Been carolina is one of those
schools that if they want to get a player, in
they'll get a player. In SO i could See belichick
people a little blanching at that a little. Bit BUT
i do think this is WHERE i Give carolina a
lot of credit is they, realized, listen in our, conference
(34:11):
there is one big dog and that big dog Is.
Clemson and how are we going to Catch? Clemson, Well
clemson will not play the nil. Game they're the only
national power that's not interested in. It AND i Think
carolina smartly, Said, okay they're not going to do. It
this is a moment in time to catch the big
(34:31):
Dog clemson in our. Conference we're going to go completely
pro model and go all in on. Nil and this
is a little bit What oregon did With Chip Kelly
Mike pilotti did a good, job but it was Always
washington AND usc with the big names in the. Conference
they you, know they had national, championships And oregon, said
how do we catch? Them, Well Phil knight one hundred
(34:53):
uniforms to GET la kids be. Cool we're going to
be the cool. Program we're not gonna like you In
washington grab on this.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Tradition we have no. Tradition we're going to go one
hundred uniforms and we're going to go hire a guy
in Chip. Kelly they don't.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Huddle oregon stopped huddling for a long. Time we're not
gonna huddle. It i'll play every thirteen. Seconds and it,
worked And oregon is still on top Of washington AND.
Usc so to catch the big dog in the, conference
you've got to take big.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Swings AND i.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Look At carolina and, saying, hey we got a moment
in time. Here clemson's not playing the nil, game so
let's go all in on, nil all in on A nfl,
model all in On belichick And Jordan hudson. Too SO
i respect What carolina is. DOING i think it's the
only way to be a disruptor is to look at
the leading models and do the.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Opposite this is.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Interesting The Buffalo, BILLS i was just told in my,
earpiece are going to do hard.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Knocks they've been.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Selected, now usually you get boring teams or dysfunctional teams
or chaotic teams or. Teams that's WHY i hard knocks
eliminates all the good. Teams So buffalo is actually. Fascinating
this is a team that they're the only TEAM i
saw this. Yesterday The Buffalo, bills Not, philadelphia are the
only team to be favored in every game next.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Year so.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
The eagles Face buffalo at the end of the, season
and right Now buffalo's a one and a half point
favorite in that. Game you can bet. It so my
takeaway on this Is. Buffalo this sounds like a good.
Problem buffalo's in a really tough. Spot Josh allen just
(36:34):
turned twenty. Nine he's audaciously talented six six two fifty
five or more and a great. Runner he's in the
middle of his prime and last season off his best,
season The Kansas City chiefs were the single most Vulnerable
chiefs team Since mahomes. Arrived o line, issues receiver maturity,
(36:54):
issues health, issues And Kansas city still beat him in
THE afc Champions and When sean McDermott got into those
short yardage situations With Josh allen leaping, Over i've got
to be, honest it looked like a defensive coach that
was a bit unprepared on third and fourth and one.
(37:15):
Calls it was really. Bad it was the opposite of
the tush. Push it looked. Unpracticed and so here's the.
Problem sean McDermott is a good. Coach in, fact i'd
say he's a good. Coach is He Mark jackson to
The warriors where he's a good, coach a playoff, coach
a smart, coach but not the championship. Coach and if
(37:38):
you look at THE, afc now you've Got Annie, reid.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Both are. Boss Sean payton's in. It oh, Oops Mike
vrabel just.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Reappeared so it's very easy when you watch one of
those music shows to spot great and. Lousy you, know
it's just not that hard to see mediocre or bad or.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Great what do you do with good to pretty?
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Good and it would be one thing If buffalo had seven.
Trophies they're the one team in The National Football league
who is now in its second run that's gonna last
over a, decade that's good enough to get there often gets,
there and has no. Trophies they're like the LAST i,
mean it was one thing when The cubs won A World,
(38:27):
series they were just bad.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Forever the lovable.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Losers, Now buffalo's had The Jim kelly, era The Josh allen,
era where we're, LIKE i think half those years they
were the best team in THE nfl and they got no.
Trophies so that adds to the tension in the. City
if you got trophies like The packers or The. Eagles
in the back, room it's a different vibe. Entirely so
how long Is Dion dawkins going to remain healthy at left?
(38:51):
TACKLE i look this, Morning Josh allen's cap hit is going.
Up it's kind of The sean McDermott dilemma where he's not,
bad BUT i don't think he's, great BUT i think
he's good to pretty. Good and The warriors moved Off Mark,
jackson and it was a risk Because Mark jackson was
a good. Coach so you do get to a point With.
(39:14):
Buffalo it's interesting that they're going to be the you,
know THE Hbo Max show or THE hbo Show Hard.
Knocks usually it is a team with an outrageous personality
at coach or at. Quarterback McDermott's pretty, muted pretty. INTENSE
i do Think buffalo is, interesting but they're the only
(39:37):
team favored to win every game next, year and yet
here we. Are do you really Think Kansas city had its,
worst most vulnerable. Team now they have blown out in
The Super. Bowl this was their most vulnerable. Year and
now It's. Peyton now it's both. Hardballs here Comes, rabel
(39:57):
and all of them have their. Quarterbacks horrorball's got his.
Quarterback Jim harbaugh's got his. Quarterback Sean payton's got his.
Quarterback Mike, Frabel drake MAY i think he's got his.
Quarterback sean does, too but the pressure is really on.
Him by the, way good news, HERE. JMC i know
we're not supposed to talk about, this But i'm just reading.
(40:18):
This What Pernielsen live same plus same day data first
two rounds of THE Nba playoffs average four point two million,
viewers three point three percent improvement versus a year.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Ago, great.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Wonderful so ratings we're talking about ratings for THE. Nba Gator,
NO i remember yesterday you shut me. Down you're, like,
oh they got their, Deal they're, Fine who?
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Cares?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Well can two things be?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
True, yes of course they got seventy six, billion and
baseball hockey and THE nba and THE mls regular season
ratings going forward are never going to be great because
we are an. Event society were more, distracted there's more,
content there's more. Platforms hockey ratings regular season are. Awful BASEBALL?
(41:07):
Mls where IS?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Mls? Apple where is? Hey?
Speaker 5 (41:10):
Hey as a socier, Owner let's not disparage the.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Sport but let's be at two things are. True they
got seventy six billion and the league is.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Fine, well, listen how about this is anec data was
what they like to.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Call there's a guy who works, here you, know he's a.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Big lakers, fan AND i asked, Him, hey would you
think of the game last?
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Night the free throw? Merchant he, SAID i didn't see the, Game, johnny.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Obviously i'm talking About and he's, LIKE i HAD i had.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
My nephew's birthday party to go, to.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
AND i just, wondered colin, nationwide if you've got an
invite on A tuesday night versus checkout thunder against things.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Like, no that's a legitimate. Question you're not Skipping, LEBRON i.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
DON'T i think the increases in ratings will go now
backwards From, Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
OKAC i think it will go.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
Backwards, well last year it Was, dallas and who was It, Dallas,
minnesota WHICH i don't think we're great.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Rating, well that Was Luca louca that Helped hour three
around the corner and they heard h
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