July 30, 2024 • 42 mins
Legendary college and Olympic men's basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski joins The Herd to break down the differences between FIBA play and how the game is played in the United States, an Olympic team's quest for gold vs. how playing time is distributed down the roster, the JJ Redick hire in Los Angeles, and much more
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome in an hour two on a Tuesday, Mike Krzyzewski
around the corner, live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd
wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
So by the way, Belichick's records twenty nine and thirty
eight post radio, I couldn't read my own writing. If
there's a top one hundred list of players, vote on.
And I've always believed this. Owners should own GM, should
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GM coach, you should coach, and players should play. When
Aaron Rodgers dabbles in personnel, he's never right. I don't
think in the NFL, Belichick try to be a GM
didn't work. The great Mike Holmgren tried to GM Seattle
a little bit didn't work. Pete Carroll tried the GM
a little bit over John Snyder. Snyder almost left it
didn't work. Let John do that. I think it's impossible.
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In pro football, Andy Reid has always understood that Matt
Lafleur understands that, like he stays away, you guys go
get the great players. And I think the guys that
succeed in this league overwhelmingly the coaches, let the GMS
GM and so I know Aaron's kind of dabbled in
the let me get this guy, this guy, this guy.
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It hasn't worked. So this is interesting. The players in
the top one hundred it's players voting on it are
voting on the top one hundred players right now. Brock
Purty is at number twenty eight. That is ahead of
Jordan Love, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Justin Herbert,
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Aaron Rodgers, Trevor Lawrence, and Kirk Cousins, proving players don't
know what they're talking about in terms of person now
ahead of Matt Stafford. Okay, sure, in what department? Again?
Once again, I sound like I don't like a lot
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about brock Purty. Accurate, good guy, smart, excellent intangibles, but
holy moly, oh oh my, Okay, Well, we wish brock
Purty the best of luck.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
So.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Mike Krzyzewsky was at Duke for forty two years, five
national championships, three time Olympic gold medal winner, as team's
USA's head coach, the greatest college basketball coach along with
John Wooden' of all time. He's joining us while see
you know, Mike was interesting. Even though you often had
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some of the same stars, it does feel like every
Olympic experience, even if you have Lebron on two teams,
feels different to me. You have different chemistry, different expectations,
different playing time. Take me back to your first Olympic
experience and to your last and the different challenges you
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sometimes face even though you have a wonderful roster.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, the main challenge you have to face is the
fact that you're playing a game that's different. You know,
it's still called basketball, but it's FEBA basketball, the Federation
of International Associate of Basketball and a different ball, two
more panels administered just a little bit differently with referees,
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and so you are the team that's adjusting the international teams,
that's how they play. So there's a period of adjustment
that needs to be made. And the fact that one
of the main things is a lot of the teams
that you play against, they have the same core people
over and over. Like the two top teams that we
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played against during my time were Spain and Argentina by
far and the same guys. It was like a brotherhood
for them. And so no, it was I mean the
Gasols played forever Genobley skoll On, all these guys for Argentina.
And so what Jerry Colangelo tried to do when he
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took over USA basketball in two thousand and five was
to create some level of continuity. So I became the
first national coach. That means you had a four year run,
just like Steve Kerr has a four year run. And
that created continuity, and then could you get some of
the same players. So in eight with the Redeemed team,
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five of those players ended up being on the London
team in twelve and five players from our World Championship
team in istan Bul also came. So I had ten
players who understood Foba, understood Foba and that helps, and
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that's what's helping Steve Kerr. Right now, you have Kevin Durant,
it is going for his fourth gold medal, Lebron going
for his third. You have guys. You know Curry. A
lot of people say he's going for his first goal,
but he has two goals. He won the World championship
in ten and in fourteen, so he understands FOBA and
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so does Anthony Davis. The veterans on that team, and
a couple of the guys who played for coach Popovich
for pop In winning in Tokyo are on the team.
So there's some level of familiar familiarity Colin, and that
is really very very important.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So I think it's difficult. It's only forty minutes long.
Everybody's great. Steve Kerr the other day literally apologize for
not getting Jason take them in. But sometimes it's matchups.
Sometimes I felt bad for him because I'm thinking to myself, well,
right now Derek White and Drew Holliday work in this rotation.
Is did you find when you were coaching you wouldn't
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do this at Duke, but you were looking down the
bench thinking I got this great all star, I got
to get him in the game. Did you coach sometimes
like that?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You know, I'll be honest with you, I did not.
But when we met as a team and developed standards
of how we were going to live together, and we
were bonded by the fact that we wanted to win
the goal. And really, the only question that will be
asked of a player, say I played in the Olympics
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in twenty twenty four, They're going to ask did you win.
They're not going to ask how much you played, how
much you scored? Did you win? And so I asked
each of the guys to give their word, to pledge
that they would do anything that they that was needed
less minutes, more minutes not playing playing to win the
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gold medal, and they all did. And we tried to
come up with a rotation of probably nine guys and
maybe ten, and how who started, and to give some
level of continuity. And then a key thing in the
real close games was to have a closing unit in
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the last six minutes or so that we're accustomed to
playing with one another that would be somewhat different from
the starters. Yeah, and I tried to use that throughout
and I never really I didn't worry about the playing
time of players because they shouldn't be worried about it.
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They should only be worried about one thing, and that's winning.
And I think this team has that mentality and I
can tell you that the five teams side coach, all
those guys were terrific in handling that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So international you can't worry about You.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Cannot worry about playing time. You be worried about defending
the three and not committing too many team files that
give them free throws. And if we do those two things,
then we're going to win.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
International basketball has exploded. I can remember twenty five years
ago when people talked about international players, they were like, oh,
they're soft. Domestic players are tougher. Well, now we're adopting
and adapting to their game. I watch Wemby sometimes block
shots in the NBA with his elbow, do you remember,
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I mean, it's insane. He doesn't look like any player
I've seen, even a chet Holmgren, who was terrific at
Gonzaga and Oka see doesn't really compare. Do you remember
the first time you heard about Wemby? I mean, what
have you What do you make when you watch them?
What was the first time you heard about Wimby?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah, a few years ago when I had not seen
him yet, and then in seeing him for the first
time and where he's like maybe four or five inches
taller than go back. I said, oh my god. And
then he's dribbling the ball and shooting jump shots and
going behind his back. I said, all right, this is
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there's nobody like this guy.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And but you know, Colin, one quarter of the NBA
players are international players, and that's only going to increase
because the international players are are taught differently. They're not
in a scholastic and academic environment that regulates how much
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they can practice, how much they can play, so in
some respects there they have a greater continuity of being coached.
And we need to change that our country. In men's
college basketball and not having twenty hours a week only
of practice or four hours a week during the summer.
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It's outdated. It's ridiculous, and we need to have shot
clocks in every state. We need to play the game
the same way. In our country it's played in so
many different ways, whereas in the other countries. If you're
in France, Spain, Italy, whatever, from a youngster until you're
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an adult, you play the game the same way and
you're accustomed to playing with the shot clock.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So a couple non Olympic things to discuss. I like
JJ Reddick. I think he's smart. I think he's like you.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
He's curious, he's feisty, he's competitive, all the things that
make a great coach. Some have said he can be
a little arrogant. He can be, but some of the
great players and coaches have that there's a line between
that arrogance and confidence. When you hear that, when you
hear the criticisms that he's a little air again, you know,
what do you make of that? Because I always thought
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he was super confident, But I kind of think that's
his that's his DNA, that's his edge. What do you
make of those criticisms?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, well, yeah, I don't pay any attention to him
because you know, we're dominated by social media, So who
is making the criticism? You know where? You know, opinions
are good, But where's the opinion coming from? Right, you know?
And what's the source? For mejj? Jj is amazingly competitive
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and is prepared as well as any player that I
coached at Duke. He's smart, he's confident, and he understands
the game and having fifteen years of being a pro,
he has empathy for the guy trying to make it
when he's trying to make it. Yeah, makes it and
for the veteran who is still trying to trying to
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make it. He was never a superstar in the NBA,
but he was certainly a superstar in the National Player
of the Year when he played in college. So I
think he has empathy for what a roster would look like.
He certainly understands the pro game, and he desperately wants
to be a coach. And I think he surrounded himself
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up to now. I don't know his entire staff with
some veteran coaches, which will that will help him, But
I I love him. I think he's terrific and I
think he can relate to his players at the best level.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, You've had such a great opportunity and have a
relationship with Lebron James, and I've said he reminds me
a bit of Tom Brady, where he's such an as
Tom and him have such deep respect for the game itself,
for the academic scholastic side, for the training side. I
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want you to go back because you've had a relationship
with Lebron forever, and much like Wemby, we don't get
to see practice stuff. You got to see practice stuff
with Lebron. Take me to a moment. Maybe it was Olympics,
maybe it was high school when you recruit all these
guys from Zion to Lebron, the Christian Latner, who I
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thought still one of the greatest college basketball players I've
ever seen. Do you remember the first glimpses of Lebron
and did you not only see athleticism, but just a
different mindset he was twenty going on forty. Did you
notice it immediately?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I noticed him when I started coaching him, how smart
he was. You know, you're you're a little bit shocked
at the athleticism and just this amazing athlete that's there.
And then you add intelligence, then you add a command voice,
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then you add leadership, and then you add something that
a lot of people don't have, and that's the will
to prepare to win. Everyone wants to win, not everyone
will pay the price every day every year to be
at their best before practice. I mean, he has the
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same guy helping him for two decades. You know, he
stretches for over a half hour, and he preps his body,
and while he's prepping his body's prepping his mind and
he's just so damn prepared. He and Kobe were the
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two guys I thought, we're just above every one in preparation, physical, mental,
you name it. And when they were on the court
at a practice or in a game, they wanted to
be the best all the time, all the time, and
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they paid the price for it. And you know, we
for anyone who knocks Lebron in any way, they're just crazy.
Like you know, we're not going to see anybody like him.
He's one of a kind. Just what he's doing in
the Olympics, his verve, his demeanor, his attitude. I mean,
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he helps his team by how he looks, not just
how he plays. I want to play with a guy
who looks like him, because there's hardly anybody who looks
like that. I mean facially, not just body wise. His
the face of a champion. This guy has that a champion.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Finally, I know, you know, we don't want to build
up Cooper Flag too much, but I did watch him
and he's a really he's a really interesting player. Yeah,
so for somebody that had never seen him play, obviously
he was very good, very early, and he's going to
be the number one, two or three pick and who
knows NBA. But if i'd never seen him play, I
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want you forty two years at Duke. I've never seen
him play, and you tell me about what would I
expect going to see Cooper. What does he do in
your labyrinth of experience? What does he do that is unique?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Well, it's something that a lot of players are not
doing right now. And he loves to not only play,
he loves to compete. I'm talking about love, you know,
like he you know, he doesn't care who's watching, he's playing.
He loves the game. And that's that's not found as
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much like he plays the game because he loves it,
and he's an outstanding athlete. He's positionless and he competes
like crazy. He's got a I don't know if I
haven't coached him, but watching him, he seems to me
has a temper or an anger, a competitive anger that
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takes him to a whole another level. Like he he's
totally immersed in playing. And then he's extremely talented. He's
not just talent, he's extremely talented, but he has all
those intangibles that I've just said. And so if you
put that in an outstanding athlete, you're going to have
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a very special basketball player. And this kid, hopefully he
stays healthy and continues to maintained that in this world
of now social media and all, you know, I think
people can get to a player can get too caught
up and all that, and and what other people think
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of them. Forget it. Forget it's what who what you
think of you? Yeah, what your coaches think of you?
And just be staying that Waane, and keep that passion.
And this kid's going to be very very special.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You know, I was finally I was thinking about this.
I've called her Taylor Swift in tennis shoes is what
I call Caitlyn Clark. Is that I knew she was
talented years ago, and then all of a sudden, Taylor
Swift does the ears to her and you can't get tickets.
She sells out Sofi stadiums seven seven nights in a row.
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Everybody in LA went to it. And I watched Caitlyn
Clark a couple of years ago, and I'm like, oh,
she's fun to watch it. And it is a it
is a student omnia basketball. Were even you taken back?
First of all, she's very good, but were you taken
back by what she's done to women's basketball? Because I
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it's got a Taylor swiftfield coach, it's like taking over
the country.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Well it does, and I think also it's the moment
to take it over. You know, women's basketball. It's terrific
and it's continued to progress and all of a sudden,
now it seems this opening for her and it's like
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it meshes and you know, the cool thing. One of
the cool things about her is that she was at
Iowa for a career, so she became like a cult
hero there. Yeah, so she was it was like an
off Broadway thing, you know, where she was accustomed to
the crowds and whatever. And she handles it so well
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and she had like about a ten game adjustment in
the w n B A and now she's going crazy there. Also,
you know what she is, She's genuine and I think
her knowledge, her feel for the game. I think the
best thing she does is pass.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yes, yes, great passer.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
She's an amazing passer and she sees things. I mean
everyone talks about her shooting and her scoring, and obviously
she does that really well, but she makes teammates better.
And putting her on a w NBA team where you
have you know, adults, you have you have older players
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and really talented players, you're going to see her talents
even more, and I think you're continuing to see it,
and she's going to be one of our great American players. Yeah.
I know some people are angry about her not being
on the Olympic team and the timing wasn't right yet,
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you know, but certainly she'll belong there. And it's kind
of like in two thousand and eight, Kevin Durant was
on our select team and he almost we almost picked
him for the Redeemed team, and then he was on
the World Championship in twenty ten and what usince He
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averaged thirty three points a game in the medal round
and then he took off. I think that trajectory will
be there for Caitlin. I really admire how she's handled
everything and she's won over the people competing against her.
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They see that she's tough, she can handle it. But
I love her passing. I think passing has become a
little bit of a lost art with all the ball
andling drills and whatever, and she sees things that most
players do not see.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Forty two years, five championships, three time Olympic gold medal
winning coach, the Great Mike Krzyzewski, you look great by
the way you're obviously you're you're doing something right. You're
happy and joyful because you look fantastic. You don't have
to be on the recruiting trail twenty four to seven
of that. You probably sleep now occasionally.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Right, that helps the recruiting trail. It's not the one
I want to be one. Now I'm really lucky. I do.
I consult for the NBA. Now, I speak a lot.
I still work at Duke, coming my conference, my conference
from and I got ten grand kids that live within
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ten minutes of me, so I'm busy all the time.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Wow, that's a good life, great scenior coach, Thank you
so much. Yeah, good being on all right, Krzyzewski. That's
the way to do it. Do a little consulting work,
stay at your job upstairs in a nice comfy room
in a nice chair, have ten grand kids that live
around you. That's good living. Same wife, Mickey, that's good life.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
You know, I'm surprised you didn't ask him about why
they couldn't get out of the first weekend at Duke
in the NCAA tournament with Jason Tatum. I still remember
losing money in that game to South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I didn't think that was oppressed. Yeah, yeah, I didn't
think that is the big I thought you were. You
wanted me to ask him about brock Purty's ranking in
the No, no.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
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conspiracy theories flying around. I know you love a good
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Speaker 5 (23:36):
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Maybe very excited for them. They're everywhere these days.
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Speaker 5 (24:24):
All right, so you'll we'll get to the conspiracy theory later.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
We'll start with Aaron Rodgers because he was very upset
calling a practice yesterday.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Old boy, look at him. You can see the video.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
He's heated.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Look at that.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
He is not happy.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
The offense struggled in their first padded practice. Alan Lizzard
called its sloppy tight end Tyler Conklin, but Roger's reaction
was a great learning experience for the team.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
And I think that's the beauty of playing with you know,
great like that, right, Like you have someone that's in
a at all times hold everybody accountable, no matter who
you are, what happens. And I think that's kind of
been something that's you know, not every team has that.
Not everybody, Oh Sonny, I think that's really a blessing
at the end of the day. But it has someone
that cares that much and uh, you know, has a
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standard like that. That's gonna that becomes our standard as
a team. But to have a Hall of Famous, whet
a super Bowl, been there, done that? Uh, you know,
I think that really is I mean, it's necessary.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Fired up interception, somebody stepped on his foot, Like I
kind of like my quarterbacks to get a little pissy
once in a while.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Yeah, like three picks in practice this week.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I know, I thought you would lead the show with you.
I don't. I don't. I actually have defended quarterbacks. I
don't like when Aaron's passive aggressive. I like when Aaron
gets after guys. I think quarterbacks occasionally have to bark.
So you like confrontation, Well, yeah, I'm more confrontation driven.
Peyton Manning did it, Brady did it? Aaron Rott. I
have no problem with any quarterback taking a young player
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and saying, Jordan Love now is going to own that
locker room. The guy runs the wrong route and he
throws a pick six, you go to that sideline and
you bark. I got no problem with that.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Rogers is built like I don't know if Love is.
We don't know enough about it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
We don't know. But C J. Stroud, whoever I quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Need.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
It's okay. You know there's a walk softly, carry a
big stick, whatever it is, or lead by example. No,
you have to lead with words. Quarterbacks have to lead,
not with just body language. That's passive aggressive, lead with confrontation.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
And the first or second year starter. I think that's
a tall order. Mean these.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
So what you're the most you're the most important player.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
What if you're the highest pai.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
No, you're not the highest paid. You're the most important
player by far. You're taking sixty two snaps? How many
is that rush edge taken? How many times you have
the ball in his hand? It's an offensive league.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I just don't think it's as easy as hey, man,
you're the QB, yell at anybody one who screws up.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I don't. I wouldn't say yell. I would say raise
your voice and teach. It's a loud stadium. Sometimes you
have to raise your voice.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
All right, fair enough, Hey, you want confrontation, here we go.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Matt Judon is at Patriots camp and with a full
participant in the first four practices, but as you can
see on the screen here that's Judon in the red
he did not join for the first patted practice yesterday.
He's been vocal about his frustrations with the current contract
and was seen having a very animated discussion with head
coach Gerrod Mao. Judon just basically gets up, gets in
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his face, and.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Then walks away.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I saw that he later spoke with team executives. Welcome
to head coaching in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Gerrod MAO, Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna be a long year.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, he's one of their top three players.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
And you saw Christian Barmore. The defensive line.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Has blood cloud issues. That's not great.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
They don't know when he's coming back.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I mean, that's two really important players on that defense.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Well, I think they're gonna have the number one pick,
so I think it's pretty locked in. That's the number
one Toper Conference, top division, worst roster. Carolina in their
division is gonna win some games giants in their divisional whin.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I think it's interesting if they get the number one pick,
having just taken Drake May, will they take him like
the top six?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Let me, I forgot where.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I think what you do is it's a perfect place
to trade down. So somebody's gonna need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You get the number one pick, trade down and think
if they think Drake Main's the.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Guy that roster you trade down. You don't give up
on him before he's played ten snaps.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Watch Carson Beck a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Can well, I'm all.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
In the guys have to talk about the draft. Beck
is gonna be upstar this year.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, he's a number ye. I don't think you're gonna watch.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Him the season at Georgia and say, okay, we can
trade down. This dude looks really good.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
That roster needs so much help. Ultimately, I would have
no problem drafting a quarterback in the first round back
to back years. If you've got a guy in camp
and you're like to me, if you got if you
get Drake man camp and you have all these practices,
and you're like, this isn't gonna work. He's not cognitive.
You ready, he's not refined. I have no problem if
you have. If the next year you think you have
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the number one guy drafting, you can't worry about well,
I want to protect my pick. If you get Beck
and you're you have a year of practice footage. Now,
some guys like Jordan Love Aaron Rodgers developed more slowly,
so my guess they wouldn't do that. But I don't
think i'd claber a team if they're like, listen, this
guy's generational. Drake May's not generational.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I think the Cardinals went Rosen and then Kyler Murray.
They did have a coaching change, right Kingsbury came in.
I don't think Mayo's getting dusted in year one.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Hm, that's interesting. I think it's Patriots. I think the
Raiders are going to be in the mix of the
number one pick.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
If this DeVante Adams thing starts to go south and
they ship him, then it's probably Raiders in.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I mean, not only are the Patriots not very good
find the wins on that schedule, I mean really early,
it's a disaster, but I mean they just fann me
just a burrow Aaron Rodgers Brock to U C. J. Stroud,
Trevor Lawrence, Aaron, I mean, I guess at Tennessee Week
nine feels kind of winnable.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
They got to win that Seattle leam. Otherwise you're staring
at like.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
One and nine nine.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, that's that's lean and.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
It doesn't get easier. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
It's not only the that's leaned. They're not gonna be
any fun to watch. Belichick's last four teams were no
fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Those two Bills games late and the Chargers game.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
All three of them probably gonna be jockeying for postseason positioning.
So it's not like you're gonna be facing like a
Bills team sitting Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yes, not looking good for a Mayo own company.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Final story, Cdee Lamb holding out a trading camp as
he waits for the contract extension. In a conversation with
Albert Breer, Dallas owner Steven Jones gave more insight into
the negotiations. He said the Cowboys offered cd a contract.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Last season, but he declined because.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
He wanted to wait and see what happened with other
top wide receivers like Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. So
it is actually a stroke of genius from Steven Jones. Hey, hey,
we've tried to sign him last year. He just said, no,
I want to wait for Justin Jefferson to get paid
and then I want to reset the market. Also smart
by cde Lamb kind of a he could make of
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that what you will, but it looks like Steven Jones
didn't totally botch this, right. That's smart to make a
move early.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Well, generally in all negotiations, the employee is better served
if he's talented to wait. That's so you want to
get closer to the market. So that just yeah, I mean,
if you're an agent, you generally generally don't want to
sign early. But again, if i'm if I'm you know,
justin Herbert's like, I don't need to be top of
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the market. I'll sign a year early and change my
family's life. That's okay too, But I think you know,
if you're a star in any business, it behooves you
to keep waiting.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
So do you think if Lamb had signed, let's say
mid season he's the highest paid receiver in NFL history,
which he would have.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Been, they'd have it, Cowboys would have a much better
deal one hundred.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Percent, But he would now be pushed down to I
think four because I'm Aron Saint.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Brown passed him, Jefferson passed him.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
And then I think aj Brown re re upped his deal.
So now ceedee, Lamb would have been number one for
like a few months and now you would be four.
Would he be upset?
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Like at some point you just got to be like,
hey man, I'm happy. Let's rock and roll. You know,
it just doesn't seem like things are those The.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Players I believe want to be drafted by a team
and if it's functional, stay with the team. Most guys
want the Derek Jeter career, the Kobe career is that
you stay. You may have up and downs. There were
bad Laker teams with Kobe at the end, but I
think most most players I talked to they want to stay.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
But now you got basically CD and Dak chasing. We
want to be the highest paid at our position in
the league.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
That's a horrible timing for Dallas.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
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Speaker 1 (34:30):
Robert solo Is just asked today NFL preseason down to
three games. He was asked if Aaron Rodgers will play
at all this preseason.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
We haven't really talked about it. My instinct right now
as I stand here.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Is we'll see, we'll see. My instinct is no, but.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
But I want to leave it open that that third
game is the one where where we're designed. So I
you definitely won't play the first two, but the discussion
on the third one we just haven't quite had yet, all.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Right, So I was thinking about this. So Wemby's team
France went to overtime, Wemby dominated and they won at
the Olympics. So I was thinking about this. Jmag is
that as the game's gotten more global, and that can
be challenging for Major League Baseball. The sport's more global,
it's always been a challenge for hockey. They don't have
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a farm system. You know, we don't really watch college
hockey the Northeast. It's popular, but very niche. We don't
watch college baseball the South. It's popular but kind of niche.
You know, most of us don't watch college baseball outside
of the South. At college basketball, we do watch, but
it's kind of a turnstile one and done. Guys. Now
we're going G League overseas, so you may get one
(35:48):
year and we really watch college basketball. The ratings indicate
for about three weeks in March, and so the NBA
has been as popular as the face of the league
when it had Magic and Bird, Pop Jordan, popular, Kobe
and Shack less, popular but popular Lebron in his prime
kind of properly Steph Curry and the Warriors dynasty pretty popular.
(36:12):
Right now, they're going through a transition, So the NBA
is going international, which again is a challenge because we're
not you know you and I aren't breaking down Lithuanian
game film. So college football has got a huge advantage. However,
popular your minor league system is indicates how popular your
pro sport is. So hockey's the least popular, the least watched.
(36:35):
It's the least popular of our big four. Baseball, next basketball,
then football. So we watch college football, and therefore we
have a visceral connection with the players. You've seen them
three and four years. You're rooting for a TUA, you're
rooting for a whoever, CJ. Stroud, if you're an Ohio
State fanner a JJ McCarthy. So in the NBA, it's
(36:57):
really interesting because they're going through a kind of a
funky transition. I was thinking today, if I asked, I'll
ask you, who do you believe are the four by
by next year? Who will be the four faces of
the league. Now, it helps if you want to embrace
it like some of these got like Jokich, he's got
no interest in embracing it. So he's not going to
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be the face of the league. He just doesn't care.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Can you just I know?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
This is so if I said to you, you are
the NBA commissioner and you need guys to either have
the look, the game, the interest, the shoe, who would
you promote if you were Adam Silver? Because the league's
always been as popular as its biggest stars.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
So by this, do you just mean who am I
giving the most national TV games?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
That's right? Who are you promoting? And it's not necessary
because Yo Kic is the best player, but he doesn't
want to do it.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
He's international a big TV drive, that's right. Right, So
the Lakers are Lakers?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
So who would you So you you're sitting down as
a commissioner, I'm your assistant and we're going, okay, we
can make up the TV schedule, we can promote people,
we can call Nike.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
We can it's the Lakers, you know, there's okay.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Four guys?
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Four guy? Well, Lebron, you gotta have in order.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Oh, you have to make decisions. Are you gonna promote
heavily a forty year old?
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Yeah, I'm gonna promote.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
There's a long running joke in the NBA. Who would
the commissioner want to see in the finals, And it's
Lakers versus Lakers because they are the biggest draw, not
only in the US but globally.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
So I put Lebron at four. I would promote the
hell out of the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah, you can't have Yokas there. I don't know if
you could put web Min Yama there.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Where are young Luca? Is he a massive draw?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Like a face of the Is he getting people to
a TV on a Tuesday night on Amazon Prime or
wherever the wherever the game is?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Okay, I'll just tell it.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I'll go Jason Tatum because he's on a legacy team
and he's the best player.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
I think. I'm sorry, I know we disagree. I would
go to web.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Ben Yama just for the look and see, and I
would go number one and than the Edwards.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Okay, so you'd go and I'm sure I'm missing somewhere.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
You'd go who three Luca or Tatum?
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Tatum three?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
And who would you go for Lebron for just because
it's the Lakers, Lakers and Celtics.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
You have to have in there.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Now, I think the one guy I'm missing now that
I'm thinking white is probably Jalen Brunson and the Knicks.
You got to make room for him.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
So that's your five.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Big markets, big stars, and largely America.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
We don't disagree much. I would not have Tatum in there.
I would still think if you go to Laker games,
Lebron is wildly popular. Tatums can disappear in big games.
I would go aunt Wemby, Brunson, Lebron.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Oh, jeez, I forgot Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Steph Curry.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
People are tuning in for Steph Curry games. I know
people don't want to hear it. Oh the Warriors stinks.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
So my mind, my five would go in order and
the most dynamic, good looking, fun get you to a
TV young generation. Wemb best player. He'll be the best
player in the league. I think by the end of
the year he and Jokich will be the best players.
I think Brunson in New York unbelievably likable. I would
put on the third most games, and then I think
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you have to be honest about it. Lebron and Steph
draw numbers. Luca's grumpy. I don't think he's the television draw.
I think Lebron, so I would pay homage. I think
Lebron and Steph I'm the commissioner. They still move a number. Yeah,
my MINUW broadcast partners. They want Lebron and Steph. They're
not clamoring for Luis.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
For anybody who disagrees, just wait till they release the
Christmas Day schedule, which is like the.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Marquee Day for the NBA.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
That's a great point.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
It's gonna be Lakers, it's gonna be Warriors. They're gonna
have the game.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I guarantee you the Knicks are in it.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
The Knicks are in it, probably like a midday game,
you know, like winning.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
But you think, first of all, Brunson is way better
than anybody wants to acknowledge. He is a top twelve
player in the league.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Root for him too. He's likable.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Secondly, unbelievably likable New York City, good team. I think
Brunson's way higher than people think. It took the NBA
a long time to acknowledge Steph Curry was as big
like the market loved Steph before the league figured it out.
It's almost like Caitlin Clark was much bigger before the
WNBA figured it out. I think Brunson is way more
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popular than people think.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Joel Embid's super team. Are we missing on them?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Let me ask you this. Here's here's a prime example.
So I'm doing the Christmas schedule night game. I can
choose between these two, Brunson or Ant. New Yorker.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Minnesota probably trying to get like an Aunt Durant matchup.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
Remember what happened in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I think I choose Brunson.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
I think New York they're gonna do the mid day.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
They usually have New York at like twelve o'clock high
noon and then nine o'clock out here, and they'll.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Probably face the Sixers or the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I'm gonna tell you, Bru, I think Brunson's more popular.
And a lot of these New York stars don't translate.
Jeanter did, a Rod did, but a lot of New
York you know, nobody cared out Aaron Judge. I think
it's acknowledge is he's a first or second or third
best player. But I think Brunson is likable. New York
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winning team plays the right way, underdog. I don't find
Luca likable. All he does is complain to officials and
it doesn't play hard all the time. I again, I
I don't find I think he's great, but I I
don't find I don't find him likable. And I think
that's a big that's a big part of it. People
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love staff, I think they're gonna love Brunson.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome in an hour two on a Tuesday, Mike Krzyzewski
around the corner, live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd
wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
So by the way, Belichick's records twenty nine and thirty
eight post radio, I couldn't read my own writing. If
there's a top one hundred list of players, vote on.
And I've always believed this. Owners should own GM, should
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GM coach, you should coach, and players should play. When
Aaron Rodgers dabbles in personnel, he's never right. I don't
think in the NFL, Belichick try to be a GM
didn't work. The great Mike Holmgren tried to GM Seattle
a little bit didn't work. Pete Carroll tried the GM
a little bit over John Snyder. Snyder almost left it
didn't work. Let John do that. I think it's impossible.
(01:09):
In pro football, Andy Reid has always understood that Matt
Lafleur understands that, like he stays away, you guys go
get the great players. And I think the guys that
succeed in this league overwhelmingly the coaches, let the GMS
GM and so I know Aaron's kind of dabbled in
the let me get this guy, this guy, this guy.
(01:31):
It hasn't worked. So this is interesting. The players in
the top one hundred it's players voting on it are
voting on the top one hundred players right now. Brock
Purty is at number twenty eight. That is ahead of
Jordan Love, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Justin Herbert,
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Aaron Rodgers, Trevor Lawrence, and Kirk Cousins, proving players don't
know what they're talking about in terms of person now
ahead of Matt Stafford. Okay, sure, in what department? Again?
Once again, I sound like I don't like a lot
(02:14):
about brock Purty. Accurate, good guy, smart, excellent intangibles, but
holy moly, oh oh my, Okay, Well, we wish brock
Purty the best of luck.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
So.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Mike Krzyzewsky was at Duke for forty two years, five
national championships, three time Olympic gold medal winner, as team's
USA's head coach, the greatest college basketball coach along with
John Wooden' of all time. He's joining us while see
you know, Mike was interesting. Even though you often had
(02:51):
some of the same stars, it does feel like every
Olympic experience, even if you have Lebron on two teams,
feels different to me. You have different chemistry, different expectations,
different playing time. Take me back to your first Olympic
experience and to your last and the different challenges you
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sometimes face even though you have a wonderful roster.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, the main challenge you have to face is the
fact that you're playing a game that's different. You know,
it's still called basketball, but it's FEBA basketball, the Federation
of International Associate of Basketball and a different ball, two
more panels administered just a little bit differently with referees,
(03:41):
and so you are the team that's adjusting the international teams,
that's how they play. So there's a period of adjustment
that needs to be made. And the fact that one
of the main things is a lot of the teams
that you play against, they have the same core people
over and over. Like the two top teams that we
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played against during my time were Spain and Argentina by
far and the same guys. It was like a brotherhood
for them. And so no, it was I mean the
Gasols played forever Genobley skoll On, all these guys for Argentina.
And so what Jerry Colangelo tried to do when he
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took over USA basketball in two thousand and five was
to create some level of continuity. So I became the
first national coach. That means you had a four year run,
just like Steve Kerr has a four year run. And
that created continuity, and then could you get some of
the same players. So in eight with the Redeemed team,
(04:48):
five of those players ended up being on the London
team in twelve and five players from our World Championship
team in istan Bul also came. So I had ten
players who understood Foba, understood Foba and that helps, and
(05:08):
that's what's helping Steve Kerr. Right now, you have Kevin Durant,
it is going for his fourth gold medal, Lebron going
for his third. You have guys. You know Curry. A
lot of people say he's going for his first goal,
but he has two goals. He won the World championship
in ten and in fourteen, so he understands FOBA and
(05:31):
so does Anthony Davis. The veterans on that team, and
a couple of the guys who played for coach Popovich
for pop In winning in Tokyo are on the team.
So there's some level of familiar familiarity Colin, and that
is really very very important.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So I think it's difficult. It's only forty minutes long.
Everybody's great. Steve Kerr the other day literally apologize for
not getting Jason take them in. But sometimes it's matchups.
Sometimes I felt bad for him because I'm thinking to myself, well,
right now Derek White and Drew Holliday work in this rotation.
Is did you find when you were coaching you wouldn't
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do this at Duke, but you were looking down the
bench thinking I got this great all star, I got
to get him in the game. Did you coach sometimes
like that?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
You know, I'll be honest with you, I did not.
But when we met as a team and developed standards
of how we were going to live together, and we
were bonded by the fact that we wanted to win
the goal. And really, the only question that will be
asked of a player, say I played in the Olympics
(06:47):
in twenty twenty four, They're going to ask did you win.
They're not going to ask how much you played, how
much you scored? Did you win? And so I asked
each of the guys to give their word, to pledge
that they would do anything that they that was needed
less minutes, more minutes not playing playing to win the
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gold medal, and they all did. And we tried to
come up with a rotation of probably nine guys and
maybe ten, and how who started, and to give some
level of continuity. And then a key thing in the
real close games was to have a closing unit in
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the last six minutes or so that we're accustomed to
playing with one another that would be somewhat different from
the starters. Yeah, and I tried to use that throughout
and I never really I didn't worry about the playing
time of players because they shouldn't be worried about it.
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They should only be worried about one thing, and that's winning.
And I think this team has that mentality and I
can tell you that the five teams side coach, all
those guys were terrific in handling that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So international you can't worry about You.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Cannot worry about playing time. You be worried about defending
the three and not committing too many team files that
give them free throws. And if we do those two things,
then we're going to win.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
International basketball has exploded. I can remember twenty five years
ago when people talked about international players, they were like, oh,
they're soft. Domestic players are tougher. Well, now we're adopting
and adapting to their game. I watch Wemby sometimes block
shots in the NBA with his elbow, do you remember,
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I mean, it's insane. He doesn't look like any player
I've seen, even a chet Holmgren, who was terrific at
Gonzaga and Oka see doesn't really compare. Do you remember
the first time you heard about Wemby? I mean, what
have you What do you make when you watch them?
What was the first time you heard about Wimby?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah, a few years ago when I had not seen
him yet, and then in seeing him for the first
time and where he's like maybe four or five inches
taller than go back. I said, oh my god. And
then he's dribbling the ball and shooting jump shots and
going behind his back. I said, all right, this is
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there's nobody like this guy.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And but you know, Colin, one quarter of the NBA
players are international players, and that's only going to increase
because the international players are are taught differently. They're not
in a scholastic and academic environment that regulates how much
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they can practice, how much they can play, so in
some respects there they have a greater continuity of being coached.
And we need to change that our country. In men's
college basketball and not having twenty hours a week only
of practice or four hours a week during the summer.
(10:10):
It's outdated. It's ridiculous, and we need to have shot
clocks in every state. We need to play the game
the same way. In our country it's played in so
many different ways, whereas in the other countries. If you're
in France, Spain, Italy, whatever, from a youngster until you're
(10:32):
an adult, you play the game the same way and
you're accustomed to playing with the shot clock.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So a couple non Olympic things to discuss. I like
JJ Reddick. I think he's smart. I think he's like you.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
He's curious, he's feisty, he's competitive, all the things that
make a great coach. Some have said he can be
a little arrogant. He can be, but some of the
great players and coaches have that there's a line between
that arrogance and confidence. When you hear that, when you
hear the criticisms that he's a little air again, you know,
what do you make of that? Because I always thought
(11:08):
he was super confident, But I kind of think that's
his that's his DNA, that's his edge. What do you
make of those criticisms?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, well, yeah, I don't pay any attention to him
because you know, we're dominated by social media, So who
is making the criticism? You know where? You know, opinions
are good, But where's the opinion coming from? Right, you know?
And what's the source? For mejj? Jj is amazingly competitive
(11:40):
and is prepared as well as any player that I
coached at Duke. He's smart, he's confident, and he understands
the game and having fifteen years of being a pro,
he has empathy for the guy trying to make it
when he's trying to make it. Yeah, makes it and
for the veteran who is still trying to trying to
(12:03):
make it. He was never a superstar in the NBA,
but he was certainly a superstar in the National Player
of the Year when he played in college. So I
think he has empathy for what a roster would look like.
He certainly understands the pro game, and he desperately wants
to be a coach. And I think he surrounded himself
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up to now. I don't know his entire staff with
some veteran coaches, which will that will help him, But
I I love him. I think he's terrific and I
think he can relate to his players at the best level.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, You've had such a great opportunity and have a
relationship with Lebron James, and I've said he reminds me
a bit of Tom Brady, where he's such an as
Tom and him have such deep respect for the game itself,
for the academic scholastic side, for the training side. I
(13:09):
want you to go back because you've had a relationship
with Lebron forever, and much like Wemby, we don't get
to see practice stuff. You got to see practice stuff
with Lebron. Take me to a moment. Maybe it was Olympics,
maybe it was high school when you recruit all these
guys from Zion to Lebron, the Christian Latner, who I
(13:31):
thought still one of the greatest college basketball players I've
ever seen. Do you remember the first glimpses of Lebron
and did you not only see athleticism, but just a
different mindset he was twenty going on forty. Did you
notice it immediately?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I noticed him when I started coaching him, how smart
he was. You know, you're you're a little bit shocked
at the athleticism and just this amazing athlete that's there.
And then you add intelligence, then you add a command voice,
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then you add leadership, and then you add something that
a lot of people don't have, and that's the will
to prepare to win. Everyone wants to win, not everyone
will pay the price every day every year to be
at their best before practice. I mean, he has the
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same guy helping him for two decades. You know, he
stretches for over a half hour, and he preps his body,
and while he's prepping his body's prepping his mind and
he's just so damn prepared. He and Kobe were the
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two guys I thought, we're just above every one in preparation, physical, mental,
you name it. And when they were on the court
at a practice or in a game, they wanted to
be the best all the time, all the time, and
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they paid the price for it. And you know, we
for anyone who knocks Lebron in any way, they're just crazy.
Like you know, we're not going to see anybody like him.
He's one of a kind. Just what he's doing in
the Olympics, his verve, his demeanor, his attitude. I mean,
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he helps his team by how he looks, not just
how he plays. I want to play with a guy
who looks like him, because there's hardly anybody who looks
like that. I mean facially, not just body wise. His
the face of a champion. This guy has that a champion.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Finally, I know, you know, we don't want to build
up Cooper Flag too much, but I did watch him
and he's a really he's a really interesting player. Yeah,
so for somebody that had never seen him play, obviously
he was very good, very early, and he's going to
be the number one, two or three pick and who
knows NBA. But if i'd never seen him play, I
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want you forty two years at Duke. I've never seen
him play, and you tell me about what would I
expect going to see Cooper. What does he do in
your labyrinth of experience? What does he do that is unique?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Well, it's something that a lot of players are not
doing right now. And he loves to not only play,
he loves to compete. I'm talking about love, you know,
like he you know, he doesn't care who's watching, he's playing.
He loves the game. And that's that's not found as
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much like he plays the game because he loves it,
and he's an outstanding athlete. He's positionless and he competes
like crazy. He's got a I don't know if I
haven't coached him, but watching him, he seems to me
has a temper or an anger, a competitive anger that
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takes him to a whole another level. Like he he's
totally immersed in playing. And then he's extremely talented. He's
not just talent, he's extremely talented, but he has all
those intangibles that I've just said. And so if you
put that in an outstanding athlete, you're going to have
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a very special basketball player. And this kid, hopefully he
stays healthy and continues to maintained that in this world
of now social media and all, you know, I think
people can get to a player can get too caught
up and all that, and and what other people think
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of them. Forget it. Forget it's what who what you
think of you? Yeah, what your coaches think of you?
And just be staying that Waane, and keep that passion.
And this kid's going to be very very special.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You know, I was finally I was thinking about this.
I've called her Taylor Swift in tennis shoes is what
I call Caitlyn Clark. Is that I knew she was
talented years ago, and then all of a sudden, Taylor
Swift does the ears to her and you can't get tickets.
She sells out Sofi stadiums seven seven nights in a row.
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Everybody in LA went to it. And I watched Caitlyn
Clark a couple of years ago, and I'm like, oh,
she's fun to watch it. And it is a it
is a student omnia basketball. Were even you taken back?
First of all, she's very good, but were you taken
back by what she's done to women's basketball? Because I
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it's got a Taylor swiftfield coach, it's like taking over
the country.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Well it does, and I think also it's the moment
to take it over. You know, women's basketball. It's terrific
and it's continued to progress and all of a sudden,
now it seems this opening for her and it's like
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it meshes and you know, the cool thing. One of
the cool things about her is that she was at
Iowa for a career, so she became like a cult
hero there. Yeah, so she was it was like an
off Broadway thing, you know, where she was accustomed to
the crowds and whatever. And she handles it so well
(20:04):
and she had like about a ten game adjustment in
the w n B A and now she's going crazy there. Also,
you know what she is, She's genuine and I think
her knowledge, her feel for the game. I think the
best thing she does is pass.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yes, yes, great passer.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
She's an amazing passer and she sees things. I mean
everyone talks about her shooting and her scoring, and obviously
she does that really well, but she makes teammates better.
And putting her on a w NBA team where you
have you know, adults, you have you have older players
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and really talented players, you're going to see her talents
even more, and I think you're continuing to see it,
and she's going to be one of our great American players. Yeah.
I know some people are angry about her not being
on the Olympic team and the timing wasn't right yet,
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you know, but certainly she'll belong there. And it's kind
of like in two thousand and eight, Kevin Durant was
on our select team and he almost we almost picked
him for the Redeemed team, and then he was on
the World Championship in twenty ten and what usince He
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averaged thirty three points a game in the medal round
and then he took off. I think that trajectory will
be there for Caitlin. I really admire how she's handled
everything and she's won over the people competing against her.
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They see that she's tough, she can handle it. But
I love her passing. I think passing has become a
little bit of a lost art with all the ball
andling drills and whatever, and she sees things that most
players do not see.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Forty two years, five championships, three time Olympic gold medal
winning coach, the Great Mike Krzyzewski, you look great by
the way you're obviously you're you're doing something right. You're
happy and joyful because you look fantastic. You don't have
to be on the recruiting trail twenty four to seven
of that. You probably sleep now occasionally.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Right, that helps the recruiting trail. It's not the one
I want to be one. Now I'm really lucky. I do.
I consult for the NBA. Now, I speak a lot.
I still work at Duke, coming my conference, my conference
from and I got ten grand kids that live within
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ten minutes of me, so I'm busy all the time.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Wow, that's a good life, great scenior coach, Thank you
so much. Yeah, good being on all right, Krzyzewski. That's
the way to do it. Do a little consulting work,
stay at your job upstairs in a nice comfy room
in a nice chair, have ten grand kids that live
around you. That's good living. Same wife, Mickey, that's good life.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
You know, I'm surprised you didn't ask him about why
they couldn't get out of the first weekend at Duke
in the NCAA tournament with Jason Tatum. I still remember
losing money in that game to South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I didn't think that was oppressed. Yeah, yeah, I didn't
think that is the big I thought you were. You
wanted me to ask him about brock Purty's ranking in
the No, no.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
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conspiracy theories flying around. I know you love a good
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So j Max got a big conspiracy theory around the corner.
Maybe very excited for them. They're everywhere these days.
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There?
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Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I think that's Money in the Grave by Drake. Amazing song.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
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Speaker 2 (24:21):
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Speaker 5 (24:24):
All right, so you'll we'll get to the conspiracy theory later.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
We'll start with Aaron Rodgers because he was very upset
calling a practice yesterday.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Old boy, look at him. You can see the video.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
He's heated.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Look at that.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
He is not happy.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
The offense struggled in their first padded practice. Alan Lizzard
called its sloppy tight end Tyler Conklin, but Roger's reaction
was a great learning experience for the team.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
And I think that's the beauty of playing with you know,
great like that, right, Like you have someone that's in
a at all times hold everybody accountable, no matter who
you are, what happens. And I think that's kind of
been something that's you know, not every team has that.
Not everybody, Oh Sonny, I think that's really a blessing
at the end of the day. But it has someone
that cares that much and uh, you know, has a
(25:06):
standard like that. That's gonna that becomes our standard as
a team. But to have a Hall of Famous, whet
a super Bowl, been there, done that? Uh, you know,
I think that really is I mean, it's necessary.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Fired up interception, somebody stepped on his foot, Like I
kind of like my quarterbacks to get a little pissy
once in a while.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Yeah, like three picks in practice this week.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I know, I thought you would lead the show with you.
I don't. I don't. I actually have defended quarterbacks. I
don't like when Aaron's passive aggressive. I like when Aaron
gets after guys. I think quarterbacks occasionally have to bark.
So you like confrontation, Well, yeah, I'm more confrontation driven.
Peyton Manning did it, Brady did it? Aaron Rott. I
have no problem with any quarterback taking a young player
(25:50):
and saying, Jordan Love now is going to own that
locker room. The guy runs the wrong route and he
throws a pick six, you go to that sideline and
you bark. I got no problem with that.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Rogers is built like I don't know if Love is.
We don't know enough about it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
We don't know. But C J. Stroud, whoever I quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Need.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
It's okay. You know there's a walk softly, carry a
big stick, whatever it is, or lead by example. No,
you have to lead with words. Quarterbacks have to lead,
not with just body language. That's passive aggressive, lead with confrontation.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
And the first or second year starter. I think that's
a tall order. Mean these.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
So what you're the most you're the most important player.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
What if you're the highest pai.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
No, you're not the highest paid. You're the most important
player by far. You're taking sixty two snaps? How many
is that rush edge taken? How many times you have
the ball in his hand? It's an offensive league.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I just don't think it's as easy as hey, man,
you're the QB, yell at anybody one who screws up.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I don't. I wouldn't say yell. I would say raise
your voice and teach. It's a loud stadium. Sometimes you
have to raise your voice.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
All right, fair enough, Hey, you want confrontation, here we go.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Matt Judon is at Patriots camp and with a full
participant in the first four practices, but as you can
see on the screen here that's Judon in the red
he did not join for the first patted practice yesterday.
He's been vocal about his frustrations with the current contract
and was seen having a very animated discussion with head
coach Gerrod Mao. Judon just basically gets up, gets in
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his face, and.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Then walks away.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I saw that he later spoke with team executives. Welcome
to head coaching in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Gerrod MAO, Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna be a long year.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, he's one of their top three players.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
And you saw Christian Barmore. The defensive line.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Has blood cloud issues. That's not great.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
They don't know when he's coming back.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I mean, that's two really important players on that defense.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Well, I think they're gonna have the number one pick,
so I think it's pretty locked in. That's the number
one Toper Conference, top division, worst roster. Carolina in their
division is gonna win some games giants in their divisional whin.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I think it's interesting if they get the number one pick,
having just taken Drake May, will they take him like
the top six?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Let me, I forgot where.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I think what you do is it's a perfect place
to trade down. So somebody's gonna need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You get the number one pick, trade down and think
if they think Drake Main's the.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Guy that roster you trade down. You don't give up
on him before he's played ten snaps.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Watch Carson Beck a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Can well, I'm all.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
In the guys have to talk about the draft. Beck
is gonna be upstar this year.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, he's a number ye. I don't think you're gonna watch.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Him the season at Georgia and say, okay, we can
trade down. This dude looks really good.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
That roster needs so much help. Ultimately, I would have
no problem drafting a quarterback in the first round back
to back years. If you've got a guy in camp
and you're like to me, if you got if you
get Drake man camp and you have all these practices,
and you're like, this isn't gonna work. He's not cognitive.
You ready, he's not refined. I have no problem if
you have. If the next year you think you have
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the number one guy drafting, you can't worry about well,
I want to protect my pick. If you get Beck
and you're you have a year of practice footage. Now,
some guys like Jordan Love Aaron Rodgers developed more slowly,
so my guess they wouldn't do that. But I don't
think i'd claber a team if they're like, listen, this
guy's generational. Drake May's not generational.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I think the Cardinals went Rosen and then Kyler Murray.
They did have a coaching change, right Kingsbury came in.
I don't think Mayo's getting dusted in year one.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Hm, that's interesting. I think it's Patriots. I think the
Raiders are going to be in the mix of the
number one pick.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
If this DeVante Adams thing starts to go south and
they ship him, then it's probably Raiders in.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I mean, not only are the Patriots not very good
find the wins on that schedule, I mean really early,
it's a disaster, but I mean they just fann me
just a burrow Aaron Rodgers Brock to U C. J. Stroud,
Trevor Lawrence, Aaron, I mean, I guess at Tennessee Week
nine feels kind of winnable.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
They got to win that Seattle leam. Otherwise you're staring
at like.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
One and nine nine.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, that's that's lean and.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
It doesn't get easier. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
It's not only the that's leaned. They're not gonna be
any fun to watch. Belichick's last four teams were no
fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Those two Bills games late and the Chargers game.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
All three of them probably gonna be jockeying for postseason positioning.
So it's not like you're gonna be facing like a
Bills team sitting Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yes, not looking good for a Mayo own company.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Final story, Cdee Lamb holding out a trading camp as
he waits for the contract extension. In a conversation with
Albert Breer, Dallas owner Steven Jones gave more insight into
the negotiations. He said the Cowboys offered cd a contract.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Last season, but he declined because.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
He wanted to wait and see what happened with other
top wide receivers like Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. So
it is actually a stroke of genius from Steven Jones. Hey, hey,
we've tried to sign him last year. He just said, no,
I want to wait for Justin Jefferson to get paid
and then I want to reset the market. Also smart
by cde Lamb kind of a he could make of
(31:01):
that what you will, but it looks like Steven Jones
didn't totally botch this, right. That's smart to make a
move early.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Well, generally in all negotiations, the employee is better served
if he's talented to wait. That's so you want to
get closer to the market. So that just yeah, I mean,
if you're an agent, you generally generally don't want to
sign early. But again, if i'm if I'm you know,
justin Herbert's like, I don't need to be top of
(31:28):
the market. I'll sign a year early and change my
family's life. That's okay too, But I think you know,
if you're a star in any business, it behooves you
to keep waiting.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
So do you think if Lamb had signed, let's say
mid season he's the highest paid receiver in NFL history,
which he would have.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Been, they'd have it, Cowboys would have a much better
deal one hundred.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Percent, But he would now be pushed down to I
think four because I'm Aron Saint.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Brown passed him, Jefferson passed him.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
And then I think aj Brown re re upped his deal.
So now ceedee, Lamb would have been number one for
like a few months and now you would be four.
Would he be upset?
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Like at some point you just got to be like,
hey man, I'm happy. Let's rock and roll. You know,
it just doesn't seem like things are those The.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Players I believe want to be drafted by a team
and if it's functional, stay with the team. Most guys
want the Derek Jeter career, the Kobe career is that
you stay. You may have up and downs. There were
bad Laker teams with Kobe at the end, but I
think most most players I talked to they want to stay.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
But now you got basically CD and Dak chasing. We
want to be the highest paid at our position in
the league.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
That's a horrible timing for Dallas.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
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Speaker 1 (34:30):
Robert solo Is just asked today NFL preseason down to
three games. He was asked if Aaron Rodgers will play
at all this preseason.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
We haven't really talked about it. My instinct right now
as I stand here.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Is we'll see, we'll see. My instinct is no, but.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
But I want to leave it open that that third
game is the one where where we're designed. So I
you definitely won't play the first two, but the discussion
on the third one we just haven't quite had yet, all.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Right, So I was thinking about this. So Wemby's team
France went to overtime, Wemby dominated and they won at
the Olympics. So I was thinking about this. Jmag is
that as the game's gotten more global, and that can
be challenging for Major League Baseball. The sport's more global,
it's always been a challenge for hockey. They don't have
(35:28):
a farm system. You know, we don't really watch college
hockey the Northeast. It's popular, but very niche. We don't
watch college baseball the South. It's popular but kind of niche.
You know, most of us don't watch college baseball outside
of the South. At college basketball, we do watch, but
it's kind of a turnstile one and done. Guys. Now
we're going G League overseas, so you may get one
(35:48):
year and we really watch college basketball. The ratings indicate
for about three weeks in March, and so the NBA
has been as popular as the face of the league
when it had Magic and Bird, Pop Jordan, popular, Kobe
and Shack less, popular but popular Lebron in his prime
kind of properly Steph Curry and the Warriors dynasty pretty popular.
(36:12):
Right now, they're going through a transition, So the NBA
is going international, which again is a challenge because we're
not you know you and I aren't breaking down Lithuanian
game film. So college football has got a huge advantage. However,
popular your minor league system is indicates how popular your
pro sport is. So hockey's the least popular, the least watched.
(36:35):
It's the least popular of our big four. Baseball, next basketball,
then football. So we watch college football, and therefore we
have a visceral connection with the players. You've seen them
three and four years. You're rooting for a TUA, you're
rooting for a whoever, CJ. Stroud, if you're an Ohio
State fanner a JJ McCarthy. So in the NBA, it's
(36:57):
really interesting because they're going through a kind of a
funky transition. I was thinking today, if I asked, I'll
ask you, who do you believe are the four by
by next year? Who will be the four faces of
the league. Now, it helps if you want to embrace
it like some of these got like Jokich, he's got
no interest in embracing it. So he's not going to
(37:19):
be the face of the league. He just doesn't care.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Can you just I know?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
This is so if I said to you, you are
the NBA commissioner and you need guys to either have
the look, the game, the interest, the shoe, who would
you promote if you were Adam Silver? Because the league's
always been as popular as its biggest stars.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
So by this, do you just mean who am I
giving the most national TV games?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
That's right? Who are you promoting? And it's not necessary
because Yo Kic is the best player, but he doesn't
want to do it.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
He's international a big TV drive, that's right. Right, So
the Lakers are Lakers?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
So who would you So you you're sitting down as
a commissioner, I'm your assistant and we're going, okay, we
can make up the TV schedule, we can promote people,
we can call Nike.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
We can it's the Lakers, you know, there's okay.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Four guys?
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Four guy? Well, Lebron, you gotta have in order.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Oh, you have to make decisions. Are you gonna promote
heavily a forty year old?
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Yeah, I'm gonna promote.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
There's a long running joke in the NBA. Who would
the commissioner want to see in the finals, And it's
Lakers versus Lakers because they are the biggest draw, not
only in the US but globally.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
So I put Lebron at four. I would promote the
hell out of the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah, you can't have Yokas there. I don't know if
you could put web Min Yama there.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Where are young Luca? Is he a massive draw?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Like a face of the Is he getting people to
a TV on a Tuesday night on Amazon Prime or
wherever the wherever the game is?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Okay, I'll just tell it.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I'll go Jason Tatum because he's on a legacy team
and he's the best player.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
I think. I'm sorry, I know we disagree. I would
go to web.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Ben Yama just for the look and see, and I
would go number one and than the Edwards.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Okay, so you'd go and I'm sure I'm missing somewhere.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
You'd go who three Luca or Tatum?
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Tatum three?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
And who would you go for Lebron for just because
it's the Lakers, Lakers and Celtics.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
You have to have in there.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Now, I think the one guy I'm missing now that
I'm thinking white is probably Jalen Brunson and the Knicks.
You got to make room for him.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
So that's your five.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Big markets, big stars, and largely America.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
We don't disagree much. I would not have Tatum in there.
I would still think if you go to Laker games,
Lebron is wildly popular. Tatums can disappear in big games.
I would go aunt Wemby, Brunson, Lebron.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Oh, jeez, I forgot Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Steph Curry.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
People are tuning in for Steph Curry games. I know
people don't want to hear it. Oh the Warriors stinks.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
So my mind, my five would go in order and
the most dynamic, good looking, fun get you to a
TV young generation. Wemb best player. He'll be the best
player in the league. I think by the end of
the year he and Jokich will be the best players.
I think Brunson in New York unbelievably likable. I would
put on the third most games, and then I think
(40:18):
you have to be honest about it. Lebron and Steph
draw numbers. Luca's grumpy. I don't think he's the television draw.
I think Lebron, so I would pay homage. I think
Lebron and Steph I'm the commissioner. They still move a number. Yeah,
my MINUW broadcast partners. They want Lebron and Steph. They're
not clamoring for Luis.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
For anybody who disagrees, just wait till they release the
Christmas Day schedule, which is like the.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Marquee Day for the NBA.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
That's a great point.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
It's gonna be Lakers, it's gonna be Warriors. They're gonna
have the game.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I guarantee you the Knicks are in it.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
The Knicks are in it, probably like a midday game,
you know, like winning.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
But you think, first of all, Brunson is way better
than anybody wants to acknowledge. He is a top twelve
player in the league.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Root for him too. He's likable.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Secondly, unbelievably likable New York City, good team. I think
Brunson's way higher than people think. It took the NBA
a long time to acknowledge Steph Curry was as big
like the market loved Steph before the league figured it out.
It's almost like Caitlin Clark was much bigger before the
WNBA figured it out. I think Brunson is way more
(41:21):
popular than people think.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Joel Embid's super team. Are we missing on them?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Let me ask you this. Here's here's a prime example.
So I'm doing the Christmas schedule night game. I can
choose between these two, Brunson or Ant. New Yorker.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Minnesota probably trying to get like an Aunt Durant matchup.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
Remember what happened in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I think I choose Brunson.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
I think New York they're gonna do the mid day.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
They usually have New York at like twelve o'clock high
noon and then nine o'clock out here, and they'll.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Probably face the Sixers or the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I'm gonna tell you, Bru, I think Brunson's more popular.
And a lot of these New York stars don't translate.
Jeanter did, a Rod did, but a lot of New
York you know, nobody cared out Aaron Judge. I think
it's acknowledge is he's a first or second or third
best player. But I think Brunson is likable. New York
(42:13):
winning team plays the right way, underdog. I don't find
Luca likable. All he does is complain to officials and
it doesn't play hard all the time. I again, I
I don't find I think he's great, but I I
don't find I don't find him likable. And I think
that's a big that's a big part of it. People
(42:33):
love staff, I think they're gonna love Brunson.
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