July 23, 2024 • 43 mins
Colin gives his list of the 10 quarterbacks in the NFL that deserve to be the highest paid in the league
The top 100 players in the NFL according to player vote
Guest: Joel Klatt
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go, hour two live in Los Angeles.
It's the Hurt. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
We're right in the middle of the summer camps open
up a lot to talk about big ten predictions coming down.
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NFL camps opening up, Jmax Joel Klast is going to
be joining us in five minutes to talk about that
big ten stuff. Jmax. I loved having Paul Pierson, by
the way, he really really he made a smart comment. Basically,
the three people playing really well in the Olympics for
US are Lebron, AD and BAM because they're allowed to
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play the exact same way they play with their teams.
Everybody else is asked to do a different thing and
they're all kind of struggling. Lebron has the ball in
la Ad is the power player down low and Bam defends, rebounds, scores,
you know, his own way. You don't have to design
and play everybody else on the team. You're having to
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design new roles for them. And Paul just I haven't
heard anybody say that perfect. The three guys playing well,
playing great are allowed to just do what they do
during the regular season and playoffs of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The only thing he missed was the three point shooting
of opponents. I mean, Germany shot over half their shots
were threes. Come that's how you That's the recipe for
me to the US.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I also think Steve Kurr is an offensive coach, and
I do think all the defensive stuff will come in time.
But to ask a bunch of old veteran players, hey
here comes Germany and Sudan, you're a forty one point favorite.
Lock them down defensively. It's easier to get older players
to buy into your offensive stuff than your defensive stuff. Okay,
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so we got into this discussion yesterday, and I've said
this before. Timing and talent have a lot to do
with how quarterbacks get paid. At any point based on
when you signed your contract, Patrick Mahomes can be the
sixth highest paid quarterback and Kirk Cousins could be the highest.
But if I was a general manager or you were,
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and we paid quarterbacks on what they should make in
terms of winning, production, health, the ability to elevate others.
I made a list yesterday and I think it comes
into three tiers. This is how I think the quarterback
should be paid in order, based on four or five factors.
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A big one is health. You got to be available.
A second one is you know, winning, and a lot
of that's regular season, are you pret deductive consistently? And
the other thing is do you elevate others? If others
elevate you? You don't make my list. A lot of quarterbacks.
I would say brock Purty is elevated by the coach
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and the roster. There's no proof he's elevating Garoppolo got
to a Super Bowl and lost that. Brock Purty to
this point hasn't done anything Garoppolo didn't do. Do you
elevate your franchise, your coach, your team, your receivers. That's
what we saw CJ. Stroud do. We're like, wow, he's
elevating others. My argument always been. Dak is elevated by others.
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The more Dak reliant the Cowboys have become, the more
he throws forty times or more, they have a bad record.
So this is do you elevate others? Are you productive?
Do you win? Are you healthy? And here's the order
I would pay quarterbacks. It's not the ten best, it
is how I would pay them based on my ramifications.
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Number one would be Patrick Mahomes super bowls in five years.
He just won a super Bowl back to back where
his leading receivers were Rashi Rice and Juju Smith Schuster.
He is without question the best and should be highest
paid quarterback in the league. Number two somebody who hasn't
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missed a game since his rookie season. Josh Allen. Fifty
one total touchdowns last year led the NFL ten more
than any other quarterback ten more. Number three and this
is the next four. I believe the first two are
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on a different level. The next four are quarterbacks I like,
but they have a flaw. Lamar Jackson I worry that
he can't win in the postseason, but I would make
him number three. He has the second highest winning percentage
in this league, behind only Mahomes. And he is without
question the best dual threat quarter back in league history.
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Number four. I worry about his age, but Matt Stafford
maybe has the second best arm in the league.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
He is.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Probably in terms of ability two minute drill to run
an offense as good as anybody including Brady maybe with
the exception of Brady, a great two minute quarterback, great arm,
silly arm, talent, excellent leader, academic of the Linus scrimmage,
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but the ability to add lib in the touchdown. Number five,
big concerns about his health. Joe Burrow highest completion percentage
in league history. Offensive line and injury histories worry me,
but I feel like he is the one quarterback in
the league that can go toe to toe with Mahomes
and equal him in accuracy and efficiency. Health the big concern.
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And finally, Jared Goff doesn't miss games. Oh, by the way,
led the NFL last year in passing yards including the
playoffs fifty four hundred. He led the sad sack Detroit
Lions to their first NFC championship in thirty three years.
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But he's not mobile strictly a pocket quarterback. The final
four would be in my third category, rising stars, not
everything's perfect yet, I think we'll have answers and results
after this year. Number one Justin Herbert, first quarterback in
league history to begin his career without much support on
the O line with three straight four thousand yard passing seasons.
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Number eight CJ. Stroud. I know it's one year. The
kids accuracy, poise and ball placement is insane. First player
in league history with over four thousand yards passing end
up passer rating over one hundred as a rookie. I
don't think he's got a lot of mobility. His comp
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was always GoF but he's got more than Jared. The
kid had a remarkable rookie year. Next up, Jordan Love
Week ten on behind a young old line and the
youngest group of receivers and tight ends, was the best
statistical quarterback in the league. I know it's only been
eight weeks, but what I saw in those eight weeks
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was a guy that walked into Dallas and was significantly
more accurate, more athletic, and more poised than Dak Prescott.
He's number nine and ten. I worry about the turnovers,
but he was the best high school and college quarterback
and he got this team of playoff win throughout dysfunction.
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Trevor Lawrence three different head coaches, already with the Jaguars,
a bit of a mess, back to back fourth thousand
yard passing seasons. This is his best roster yet, tall,
good arm, mobility. Trevor Lawrence at ten. So these if
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I was GM, this is the order in which these
would be the ten highest paid players. Mahomes and Allen
are superstars. Lamar Stafford, Burrough Goff great quarterbacks with a
concern or a flaw. And Tier three Herbert Stroud, Love
and Lawrence rising stars who I think by the end
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of this season there will be no argument they should
be top ten in compensation. Jalen Hurts, for the record,
was number eleven, but he's had one great year with
a coordinator who's now a head coach. Dak I had
at twelve McIntyre, that's a grimace.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, Jalen Hurts has to be on this list. College
he was a lot, but I met Burrow at five
is a little reactionary to a couple of injuries.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
A couple a four straight couple.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Jared Goff ahead of Jail and Hurt sets insanity. That
to me is just crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Well, Jared Goff and health is one of my four
components from college to pro starts every week. He's a
little like Eli. It's not always pretty. He's always there
on Sunday, come from behind winds, accuracy, yardage production, always healthy.
The most undervalued quarterback in the league Jared Goff for
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the Record, Detroit got better when Stafford left, and I
have Stafford above him because I think he's got all
world arm Towns well.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Their roster got better. Ben Johnson turned into an amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Just throwing it out there, Joel Klatt, Big Noon Conversations,
Dan Lanning, Oregon. Dan Lanning, Oregon's the next one. All right,
So now here we are. We're getting to the point
now where people are giving us their predictions for the
Big Ten. So I think the predictions have been pretty accurate.
Ohio State's favored. Oregon second. I think by a stretch
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of the best teams, I think Penn State's got a
good coach and an excellent young quarterback, so I think
they should be third. USC is about fifth or six
with Iowa. So I want to start with this. I
think USC you can say what you want about Lincoln Riley,
but in two years they're averaging forty points a game,
and he took over a roster. As you know, that
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was a mess. I kind of think the schedule goes
in their favor. I think if there's a dark horse
in the conference, I kind of think it's sc am.
I being a Homer, it feels like they could win
eight or nine games. They don't pay Oregon, they don't
play Ohio State, Ucla, and Michigan are in rebills. Am
I nuts on that?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:53):
I don't think that you're nuts. I think that USC
could be a sleeper team. I think it all hinges
on that game against LSU. To be honest, in Vegas,
that game is so important for Lincoln Riley because right
now it seems like with the USC faithful, there's a
bit of a wait and see. Let's wait and see
how he's going to do without Caleb Williams. And yet
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from within the program, I do know that there is
a sentiment that they feel like they can get back
to basics, get back to fundamentals, and maybe not be
better at the quarterback position, but certainly be more predictable
at the quarterback position. I think Miller Moss will give
them that ability. He's a really smart player, and he's
more in line with what Lincoln Riley won with at Oklahoma,
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in particular in his first couple of years there with
Baker Mayfield. And so to think that this team is
going to take a step back offensively would be naive.
They will not. Lincoln Riley will not take a step
back offensively. So the question for me is more about
the defensive side. They were abysmal last year and a
terrible defense. Now Danton Lynn comes over from UCLA, and
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by all accounts, I think that this is a great hire.
And if they are just better on the defensive side,
they don't have to be great, they don't even really
have to be good, they just have to be better
than what they were. Then this is certainly a team that,
if they were to beat LSU, could certainly be sitting
there in November with the schedule that they have in
front of them, competing for a playoff spot. I don't
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think that's out of the question.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Listen, it's gonna rankle Big Ten fans if one of
those finesse Pac twelve team comes into the conference and win,
but Oregon gets to host Ohio State. Listen, their nil
is next level. It's Texas level. They have gone out
there's nothing illegal, and bought some really good recruits. I
think Oregon stacked. I don't know what they'll be quite
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at quarterback. Could Oregon win the Big Ten? I think
that you know, they get Ohio State at home. It
wouldn't shock me. What do you make certainly?
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Could you know? I do think it wouldn't shock me.
It wouldn't surprise me. This is easily one of the
top four rosters in all of college football, easily, and
you can call him a finesse Pac twelve team. They
are anything but that. They are really good upfront. In fact,
when you look at the blue chip ratio that they've
signed from high school alone on the defensive front seven,
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it's remarkable. They've got eleven guys in the two deep
their blue chip recruits up front. On the defensive side,
They're going to be fast, they will be physical, and
this is an offense that I think could have one
of the best, if not the best, wide receiver rooms
in the country. So if you put a guy like
Dylan Gabriel and you might think that there's question marks
about that, but I actually believe he is the perfect
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type of quarterback for what Oregon and their offensive coordinator,
Will Stein wants to do. Will Stein, trust me, I
know this. He cut his teeth as a coach and
played for my offensive coordinator, and he will do better
with a point guard out there. That was kind of
the Boat Knicks mold. I think Dylan Gabriel fits in that.
I think Gabriel was actually miscast at Oklahoma. I think
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he's going to be a better player at Oregon. Here's
the reason why. If you look at what Oklahoma had
on their roster last year and what they tried to
do offensively was pushed the ball down the field because
of the length and speed of their wide receivers. That
wasn't Dylan Gabriel. He's more of a point guard that
wants to get the ball out of his hands quickly.
I think he takes a step up. I think he's
a Heisman contender. And it won't surprise me at all
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if Oregon is able to win the Big Ten. This
is a top four team in college football and they've
got national championship aspiration.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So we go to a twelve team playoff, and I
think one of the schools that benefits from this is
Penn State because Penn State is going to pass the
eye test, James Franklin. They've got some elite players. They
have an excellent young quarterback. And when you get down
to selecting the eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelve playoff teams,
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I can he's gonna matter. We're going to know who
the best four teams are. We'll have a strong feeling
about like five through seven or eight. You're going to
get down to like nine, ten, eleven, twelve, who had
impressive wins, Who like on Saturday, did we go, oh oh,
they could play with Texas. I kind of think I
kind of think Penn State's an interesting team in the
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playoff format of my wrong works in their favor a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Okay, So think of it this way too, not just
this year, but in years past, Colin. If you were
to retroactively place the twelve team format over the entirety
of the four team playoff, Okay, so that would be
then you have that margin of eight teams that would
have made playoffs in the last few years that did not.
There was not a team hurt more by the four
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team playoff than Penn State. They're the team that would
have made more playoffs than anybody else.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
In terms of six years, six years they would have
been in the playoffs. Wow, because they were just outside
of the top four. So you can make a strong
argument that there's not a program in the country that
will benefit more from the playoff going from four to
twelve than Penn State. I'll take it a step further. Now,
they don't have divisions in the Big Ten. They were
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stuck in the Big Ten East having to play Michigan
in Ohio State every single year, so they didn't necessarily,
even in a great year, have access to a championship game.
Now you fast forward to this year, guess what happens.
They don't have divisions. They miss Michigan, they miss Oregon
in the regular season. They've got the best schedule setup
of any team in the Big Ten, and pending what
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happens in that Oregon Ohio State game, I can see
a situation or certainly a world where Penn State would
only have one loss at the end of the year
and be in the Big Ten championship game and it
wouldn't be a rematch between Oregon and Ohio State. I
think that's plausible and certainly a team that I'm bullish
on with the quarterback Drew Aler, their talent in the backfield,
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and now what I think is a better offensive coordinator
in Kansas's offensive coordinator Andy Kotelnikki. They call him Coach
k I think he's going to benefit them quite quite tremendously.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
One more big ten question is I like Ryan Day,
they are viewed, I think fairly along with Georgia Texas
as the most talented teams. Is there a flaw? I
think they've been too finesse for the last several years,
and I think Harbaugh illuminated that weakness. Will they? Will
they because they have a quarterback that is not viewed
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as a CJ. Stroud level talent. Will Ohio State pivot
back to fundamentally a little more physical offense going forward
or is this just sort of the new blueprint Their
receiver and quarterback led.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
So Ohio State. If you take a look at what's
going on in the last couple of years, and I
think what certainly is a product of the transfer portal
in IL is what we've seen is that the best
teams in college football become very veteran. So you've got
to be veteran. You can't just be blue ship. You
can't just be talented. You've got to be veteran and experience.
And if you've got that combination of talent, blue chip ratio,
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and veteran experience, then you can consider yourself the best
roster in college football. And that's what Ohio State is.
I think you're accurate in saying that they lost some
of the physicality in Michigan, exploited that over the last
few years. This is a team that should have the
best defense in all of college football, the best front
four in all of college football on the defensive side,
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and insane secondary with Denzel Burke and Caleb Downs and
Lathan Ransom. These guys are incredible and that defense is
going to allow the offense to get their feet wet
with a new offensive play caller and a new quarterback.
Here's the thing about their quarterback, and I think it's
going to be Will Howard. Ohio State is not going
to need CJ. Stroud level quarterback play because of Chip
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Kelly and their backfield. They get Quinchew Judkins from Old Miss,
they get Trevion Henderson to come back, and now with
Chip Kelly, he is going to be able to run
the football to the degree that I don't think any
of us are expecting. I would not be surprised at
all if Ohio State leads the Big Ten in rushing.
I won't be surprised if they're in the top five
in the country because that's what Chip Kelly does. He
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doesn't need a dominant offensive line. He will run the
football and find a way to run the football efficiently.
That's why the pressure is not going to be all
on the shoulders of the quarterback like it has been
over the last few years. This is a team that
I think is absolutely the best, most talented, and most
championship ready roster in all of college football. People say
that it's Georgia, but when you look at the veteran
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nature of this team, coming back, the guys that they
were able to get back from last year to this year,
and then also supplement with the transfer portal, this is
the best roster in college football.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Joel Klatt, so good to see you again. It's so
I mean, look at you. I can tell you've got
a couple of day beard growth. You're still not in
regular season four, you're still a little I.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Mean, yeah, it's preseason, preseason. I didn't even come on
out of the gate, like asking where Aaron Rodgers was.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
On your value.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
I mean, he immediately makes you a Super Bowl contender.
But that's fine. And like Jared Goff over Jalen Hurts,
I'm probably with j Mac. That's a little bit strange
right there. I don't know if I buy that too
much listen, but you know, otherwise, it was a cute list.
You try it hard. That's why I tell my kids
all the time, like, just try your best.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
And you did that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Listen, You're going to go into two days here pretty quickly.
I wouldn't get too cocky. You get all cleaned up.
Joel Klapp, the voice of college football at Fox. Good
seeing your buddy. I'm so fired up you too, buddy.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Have a good day.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I am so fired up for the Big Ten? Is
this incredible? You take the four most prominent kind of
feel bad for Utah. It's a great program, four of
the most high profile, prominent West Coast programs. You jammed
it at the Big Ten. I mean, look at the coaches.
I got. I got Ryan Day, got Chip Kelly as
a coordinator. I got Lincoln Riley, I got I mean,
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you got James Franklin, got Big old, big old names.
Oh my god. And because of the you have a
Pacific time zone, Midwest time zone with your Michigan's right ohouse,
and then you got the East time zone like your
Pens State Maryland's. So you can stack three to four
games in a row in different time zones you can
get I mean, it's insane. You could get Penn State
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in the morning, Michigan in the afternoon. You could get
an Oregon Washington USC at night, just one after another
in the Big Ten. This, this to me, is amazing
about the Big Ten. They're always felt like a time
of the day you would watch the SEC. It's, you know,
certain times of the day you can do nine am
to nine pm in the Big Ten. Now huge brands.
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You could go Penn State USC at nine am in
the future, and then at noon it's Michigan and Washington,
and then after that it's Oregon at home, and after
that it's you know, it's UCLA at home against Ohio State.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
I thought, I heard you say nine am to nine
pm on a Saturday.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
What are you?
Speaker 5 (21:51):
How are you going to hang with your family get
in workouts?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well, I've already told them. Is that this this year
dad's busy Saturday for four Well, I just it's I mean,
I've said this before. I am lobbying to take Fridays
off of the whole staff. There's a reason Saturday's it
worked out.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
How's that going over so far?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Not great?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Okay, let me know if you need backup.
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Speaker 1 (22:41):
According to the players, this is a player's vote. This
is not Uncle Colin being critical of ar. The top
one hundred players going into this season according to a
player's vote, Aaron Rodgers voted ninety two out of one hundred.
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My guess is based on previous seasons, there will be eleven, twelve,
maybe thirteen quarterbacks drafted above Aaron Rodgers. The players now
see what I see. A declining player coming off a
major injury. Predicting a resurgence is fool's goal. Last season,
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his last season in Green Bay. This apparently, like Michael
Jordan's career with the Wizards, has disappeared. But this is
not politics. You can't make stuff up. His last season
with the third rated offensive line, with a sharp offensive
coach in a weaker NFC, Aaron had a lower passer
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rating than Daniel Jones. Those are the facts. And in
this last thirteen starts in Green Bay he was five
and eight, completing sixth sixty three percent of his throws.
That's it. And in five hundred and sixty two days
now he's taken four snaps coming off of major injury.
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The good news, though, he's got Nat Hackett as an
offensive coordinator and a left tackle and Tyron Smith, who
has not started and finished a complete season in nine years.
There will be according to the players minimum ten, perhaps
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closer to twelve players ahead of Aaron Rodgers in the
top one hundred. That is not a criticism. It is
a declining off a major injury. Older quarterback Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
No, no turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
All right, let's start with the mysterious Kevin Durant injury saga.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Coming off the cap strain.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
There were rumors, rumors he could potentially be taken off
the roster due to injury. But Steve curR has come
out and said they are not replacing Kevin Durant. Now
it is weird because they thought he was expecting to play.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
In Abu Dhabi.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Okay, obviously didn't play there, and it's like, Okay, he's
coming to London.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You see some of these warm up videos. He's shooting Colin.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Let's just remember when he popped the Achilles against the
Raptors in the final. Steve Kerr was his coach and
obviously there was a lot of beef with the Warriors.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
He ended up leaving.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah, I don't think Kerr wants, you know, blood on
his hands again if Kad were to get hurt. So
we know how valuable he can be. I mean, he's
the greatest USA basketball.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
We also know that there are decisions made on the
bottom half of rosters, middle and bottom, which Katie, because
of his injury history and age, he's kind of a
middle of the bottom player now in this well, well,
I mean he's not and we don't view miss Tatum
or Lebron.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
That's in pretty easily put in.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
He fits in easily. But I think in Olympic teams
there's a lot of decisions made and there's politics involved, protection, chemistry, politics.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
So Team USA six for seventeen on threes against Germany, Okay,
they could not really shoot it well.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Against South they get used or it comes in.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
He just banging threes.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
It's you know, come on, stretch the floor.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You know, I'm a KD fan. I don't want him
to go out there and get hurt. But there's a
rule where they lose one of these games.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Okay in Paris.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I'm just telling you that Kevin made teams are not rolling.
They're not taking photos with Team USA.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I would I would say this, don't take too much
from the lousy defense early in these five exhibition games.
They'll ratchet it up. Defenses work. Our guys weren't working
very hard at the defensive end. And also our best
defensive player Ad comes off the bench. Our second best
defensive player, arguably Bam, comes off the bench. So the
defense looked great when you went to the bench. Much
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better anyway, and Kadi's hurt. So I think a lot
of this will get saw here when the Olympics start.
You know, South Sudan's actually better than maybe people thought.
You live, you learn.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Katie is the greatest USA basketball player ever, according to
that chart we just showed on the screen. You think
he's only a middle of the tier pack guy on
this team.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
No, I mean look at those numbers.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Like every any Olympics he comes in, it's just a
flame thrower.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I don't see.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I mean, Colin, he's if he's ninety percent healthy, he's
like the fourth best guy on the team, maybe fifth.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Nombout to say, Anthony Edwards little.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Turnover prone yesterday, a little too much one on one,
Jason Tatum running into the same thing because they just
clogged the lane. No three seconds in the lane, so
the defenders were just jamming it. Tatum not getting to
the rim as easily. This durrant stuff is troubling.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I can't wait for these games anyways.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Let's move on to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Saquon Barkley made the move from the Giants to the
Eagles this offseason.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
We got a glimpse into that breakup from New York's.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Hard Knocks, which has been phenomenal, and now Saquan is
sharing how he felt during those negotiations.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Kind of felt like it was like, you know, kind
of a little disrespectful, uh, to be honest, because it's
kind of like a sloping face flight. You go see
what you are worth and then if you're worth that,
we'll see if you're worth it, then maybe we'll match it.
They really weren't in play. I guess you could say,
come to find out, see the reality of it. When
you look at hard Enofice, like you make it seem like, oh,
like this was like a thing that was going on
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every single day, but it really wasn't. Hard That's did
a really good job, and like it looks juicy. It
looks like we was like, oh, like okay, like there's
actually could have been a thing, and like they pulled
out the last second. Like reality like it never never
really wasn't you know the whole time, Like me and
my agent talking on our sides like yeah, we don't
think that the Giants are ever gonna do anything.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
You know, from time to time a player changed his
team in the NFL, and uh, we know he's a
good player. This is gonna be one of those moves
that were like six games end of the season, the
Giants let him go. I think this is gonna be
the fact that he went crosstown to your primary rival.
(29:04):
This is gonna have, it's gonna have. They'll be shrapnel,
there's gonna be people are gonna lose jobs in New
York over this.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I don't know if anyone's ever lost a job over
a running back.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
When he watched for thirteen hundred yards and nine tds,
somebody will, I.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Mean, this show has really done just a number on
the New York Times. They to me look like the
most NF team in the league right now.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Like nobody's talking.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
About Carolina right It's all the spotlight is on the
Giants and how badly they butchered this.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
And I just have to look up some stuff from Barkley,
you know, coming out of Penn State.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
He wasn't like just good, he was like, no, this
is this the next Like Barry Sanderson.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I think I think the last two running backs from
the Big Tens that were like you could argue the
last three running backs that entered the league with a
can't miss have been Sakuon Adrian Peterson and Zeke. Yeah
that they were just these guys are now. I think
John Robinson in Atlanta is really really good, but I
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don't think he's that explosive. I just think he's really
well rounded. There's no flaw to his game. But I
think Saquon, Zeke and Adrian Peterson were, oh, yeah, these
will be stars if there.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
McCaffrey looked really really good coming out, but he didn't
look but safe.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I don't think. I mean, I love Christian McCaffrey. I
don't think anybody thought he would be maybe the second
best round back ever.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
You get him with Shanahan and now he's like, oh
my gosh.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, you get Saquan with the Jalen Hurts and we'll
see what Kellen Morgan's came up. There's a world where
he is McCaffrey, like not saying it derogatory, like he
could be in that mccaffreck category.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
If you go to the last five years, the gap
between the Eagles O line and the Giants O line,
you arguably have the best and the worst. I mean,
in the last last five six years, take the average
Eagle O line, it's no worse than third arguably the
best on average in the league, and the Giants has been,
on average the worst in the league. So for a
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running back beyond play calling, Saquon is going from you know,
the old outhouse of the penhouse. He is going from
and by the way, with a better quarterback, so he's
not he's not. You know, it's third and three, which
is second and four, which is heaven for a running back.
(31:22):
All Theuon is gonna get a significant number of carries
based on deception, counters, traps where you don't see it coming.
Like I mean, you basically started your drives in New
York with Saquon first two, first two downs and then
it's Daniel throwing on third and long. So I know,
I think this is not just a oh, he'll be good.
(31:43):
I think you're gonna look up by Thanksgiving and go
how in the world do the Giants let him go
if he maintains his health.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
If you need a midweek list best skill position droopings
in the league, Eagles now have Brown, DeVante Smith, Jalen Hurt.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Jalen Hurts a quarter barb and always good, tied in
probably better than the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
The PFI debo mccaffley versus what the Eagles forty nine
ers that's almost a why.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
And then Eagles O line, according to PFF this morning,
is ranked second in the league behind Detroit. I mean,
just ask yourself, go look at Jared gobb good old
line to bad. He's a different quarterback. Saquon Worst Giants
ranked twenty nine he has been in New York. Basically,
it was almost no creases to now the second best
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O line in the league. I mean, one of the
reasons the Lions went and drafted a running back member,
Jamior Gibbs, and people were like, I don't know about
the draft pick. One of the reasons it made sense
is he was guaranteed to be productive because of the
Lion's O line. It was a camp miss. I mean,
when you have a great running back with a very
very strong old line, that's like a guaranteed hit in
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the first round.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Sleeping on the Eagles in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
No, I haven't went in the division. Absolutely, why not
more because I don't know if I trust Nick Siriani,
But they're the best team in the division. That's not
even their rosters easily the best of thenovasion.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
It's not close just because you brought it up, Sirianni
or Dan Campbell?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Who do you trust more?
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Dan Campbell?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
In one game?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yes, well that the league isn't one.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Game, so it's a play a playoff game it is,
and that's a championship. Who you trust more, Sirianni or
Dave Campbell?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Come on?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Final story? Is Kyler Murray your buddy? He's been criticized
in the past for not being fully committed to football,
but it looks like he's changing.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
His attitude in terms of look at that.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
According to the athletic members of the Arizona Cardinals coaching
staff in locker room have been raving about Kyler's commitment,
commitment and drive drive.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Heading into the twenty twenty four seasons.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Interesting, that's the Kyler Murray I know, committed driven?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Did they take away his Xbox and play saying?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You know what, I don't have a problem playing the
little Xbox when you get home after a hot day
at work. He's not married with a bunch of kids.
Do what you want to do when he gets hot?
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Is his monstill doing LNG?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Do you see the words used there? Rave about his
drive and commitment. I don't know how many people on
this staff. I rave about their drive hole.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I'm not like them.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
That's not a side of me obviously raving you. You
don't rave about me.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I'd use a.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Different word, I hear.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Oh YEAHN can't heard. All right, I remember your two
ear rings you were raving?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
All right, I need to show up with the double
hoop earrings when the Jets are How about that. If
the Jets go to the Super Bowl, I'll do a
show with the double hooping.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Oh yeah, I don't have to make top.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
If the Jets with the division, you got to wear
a tank top.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I don't look good.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
No, no, will you agree to that?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
That's on video.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I don't know that was burned. That's not available to
impress them.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
So you're weltzing now in bets.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Okay, I don't look good at the guy you are.
I don't look good in the tank top. Jmack with
the news.
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Speaker 1 (36:42):
By the way, Paul Pierce was very smart an hour ago.
I thought this was interesting. I hadn't heard anybody else
stated that the three players that are playing best in
the Olympics are playing the best because they're playing the
same game they do in the NBA. And this is
why Joel Embiid is struggling so far.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
The court shrinks in the Olympics. It's a smaller court.
The three point line is smaller, you know, so everything
is kind of packed in, so it looks like he's
in the way. And so that's why the defense gets
better when you have Bam out of BYUO out there
because he switches and so you always see this. The
the US team keeps making a run. Every time you
put Bam and a D in, they make a run immediately.
(37:21):
I would start Bam, I really would. I like what
he brings because you don't have to go to him.
He creates his own offense, offenser or you know, ad
the same thing. You know, I think it's better. Whereas
for MB to be effective, you have to go to him.
He's a score, he needs the ball, he needs to
operate in space, and so if he's not doing that,
then he's sort of kind of wasted out there.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I thought that was a really good point. By the way,
I did this earlier, and I've said this multiple times,
I love what I do for a living, but you know,
I always thought a cool thing if I didn't do this,
would write a screenplay that's not going to happen, or
be a general manager in the NFL that's not going
to happen.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I said.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
The way it works with quarterbacks is eer AA was
trying to get team friendly deals. The only time you
really get an incredibly team friendly deal in the NFL
with a quarterback is if you hit a home run
like CJ. Stroud and you get him for cheap on
a rookie deal for four years. Other than that, you
got to pay quarterbacks. So the question is once you
got to pay him, who would you really go all
(38:23):
in on give them the bag Again, you do the
best you can to get a team friendly deal. But
I think there are ten quarterbacks in this league in
three categories that I would pay. This is the order
in which if players were paid based on their overall
value and their connection to winning, health, production, and elevating others,
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I would make Mahomes the highest paid quarterback in the
league in Josh Allen second. Josh Allen last year had
ten more touchdowns total than any quarterback in the league.
He is a machine production wise. So Mahomes and Allen
to me have separated from the league. There are four
quarterbacks after that that I think can win a super Bowl,
(39:07):
but they've got a flaw. Lamar, Matt Stafford Burrow, and
goff Lamar. I worry about his postseason success or lack
thereof Stafford's age, Burrow's health, and Jared Goff's inability to
make plays if the pocket collapses. He is a pure
old school pocket passer. Then I think there are four
quarterbacks who are rising stars. They just need a coach,
(39:31):
or they need more games, or they need a support system,
And that would be Justin Herbert C. J. Stroud, Jordan Love,
and Trevor Lawrence. But I think all four of those,
by the end of this season, you'll think of them
as potentially Tier two quarterbacks, not Tier three. So these
are the ten guys in the league I would pay
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based on winning, health, production, and the ability to elevate others.
Jack Prescott, who I had at twelve, I think he's
been elevated by others. The numbers clearly show the more
DAK reliant the Cowboys are, they do not beat good teams.
(40:14):
Now I have Jalen Hurts at eleven, but I'm concerned
about size and injuries, and he has had one great
year and that coordinator is now gone. That concerns me. Also,
that is a stacked roster in his division, and there
are arguments that though he has shown an ability to
(40:34):
elevate others, he has often been elevated. I'd like to
see him with a normal center and with a good OC,
not a great one. Last year at the end of
the year it wasn't pretty for Jalen Hurts and could
Caleb Williams move into this brought pretty people want? But
again to this point, I believe Purdy has been elevated
(40:56):
by his coach and roster. He hasn't done anything more
than what Jimmy Garoppolo did. Win a bunch of games,
win his division, and get to a super Bowl and lose.
That is my top ten. And I think a lot
of people look at goff and because stylistically he doesn't
wow you, But if you start looking at just yards, touchdowns,
accuracy and winning, Gof's great. There's no doubt about it.
(41:20):
He has been a better NFL quarterback than Justin Herbert
so far. Herbert's bigger, stronger, moves better, with a better arm.
But part of my you know, the elements, is winning
and GoF is one more so Herbert I think will
win now that he has a very highly not only competent,
but top tier NFL coach. So there it is. If
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if I was gonna pay quarterbacks, these were the ten
in that order, they would be paced in that. It
never works that way. Mahomes will be the highest paid quarterback.
Eight months later he's number four. That's the way it worked.
The last guy paid usually the highest guy if he's
a good quarterback. J Max still grimacing as he looks.
But I think it's pretty complete grimacing. Just you know,
(42:03):
it just feels like a little recency bias. Oh, Jordan
Love finished with eight awesome games. Let's shove him in there. CJ.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Stroud had a great rookie year.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well you do. Let's be fair. You do have to
as a general manager look at previous seasons.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Like fine, let's look at Justin Herbert, My guy, I
love Justin Hurst career record thirty and thirty.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Two, there's no question. But he's also the only quarterback
ever four thousand, four thousand, four thousand guys, I love
Herbert with bad old lines.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
So Joe Burrow goes down last year with an injury. Everybody, Oh,
Bengals are done, They're toast, and the kid Browning nearly
led him to the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
Like I was like, oh, I had not considered that Joe.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
By the way, this Jalen hurts injury history. I'm trying
to look it up.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
I don't see him missing, like missed more games than
than Jalen.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Hurt Lamar has also been much greater than James in
the regular season j j Ninety percent of NFL games
are played before the playoffs, so that that does matter.
We can't just judge people. Eli Manning would be I mean,
if you just counted the playoffs, you have to count
the regular season. It comprises, I mean, Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
In January, Joe Baby.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
All right, Mark Sanchez, how about that his jersey? You
saw it in Holland and it's global. We'll have him
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go, hour two live in Los Angeles.
It's the Hurt. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
We're right in the middle of the summer camps open
up a lot to talk about big ten predictions coming down.
(00:46):
NFL camps opening up, Jmax Joel Klast is going to
be joining us in five minutes to talk about that
big ten stuff. Jmax. I loved having Paul Pierson, by
the way, he really really he made a smart comment. Basically,
the three people playing really well in the Olympics for
US are Lebron, AD and BAM because they're allowed to
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play the exact same way they play with their teams.
Everybody else is asked to do a different thing and
they're all kind of struggling. Lebron has the ball in
la Ad is the power player down low and Bam defends, rebounds, scores,
you know, his own way. You don't have to design
and play everybody else on the team. You're having to
(01:29):
design new roles for them. And Paul just I haven't
heard anybody say that perfect. The three guys playing well,
playing great are allowed to just do what they do
during the regular season and playoffs of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
The only thing he missed was the three point shooting
of opponents. I mean, Germany shot over half their shots
were threes. Come that's how you That's the recipe for
me to the US.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I also think Steve Kurr is an offensive coach, and
I do think all the defensive stuff will come in time.
But to ask a bunch of old veteran players, hey
here comes Germany and Sudan, you're a forty one point favorite.
Lock them down defensively. It's easier to get older players
to buy into your offensive stuff than your defensive stuff. Okay,
(02:09):
so we got into this discussion yesterday, and I've said
this before. Timing and talent have a lot to do
with how quarterbacks get paid. At any point based on
when you signed your contract, Patrick Mahomes can be the
sixth highest paid quarterback and Kirk Cousins could be the highest.
But if I was a general manager or you were,
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and we paid quarterbacks on what they should make in
terms of winning, production, health, the ability to elevate others.
I made a list yesterday and I think it comes
into three tiers. This is how I think the quarterback
should be paid in order, based on four or five factors.
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A big one is health. You got to be available.
A second one is you know, winning, and a lot
of that's regular season, are you pret deductive consistently? And
the other thing is do you elevate others? If others
elevate you? You don't make my list. A lot of quarterbacks.
I would say brock Purty is elevated by the coach
(03:14):
and the roster. There's no proof he's elevating Garoppolo got
to a Super Bowl and lost that. Brock Purty to
this point hasn't done anything Garoppolo didn't do. Do you
elevate your franchise, your coach, your team, your receivers. That's
what we saw CJ. Stroud do. We're like, wow, he's
elevating others. My argument always been. Dak is elevated by others.
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The more Dak reliant the Cowboys have become, the more
he throws forty times or more, they have a bad record.
So this is do you elevate others? Are you productive?
Do you win? Are you healthy? And here's the order
I would pay quarterbacks. It's not the ten best, it
is how I would pay them based on my ramifications.
(03:57):
Number one would be Patrick Mahomes super bowls in five years.
He just won a super Bowl back to back where
his leading receivers were Rashi Rice and Juju Smith Schuster.
He is without question the best and should be highest
paid quarterback in the league. Number two somebody who hasn't
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missed a game since his rookie season. Josh Allen. Fifty
one total touchdowns last year led the NFL ten more
than any other quarterback ten more. Number three and this
is the next four. I believe the first two are
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on a different level. The next four are quarterbacks I like,
but they have a flaw. Lamar Jackson I worry that
he can't win in the postseason, but I would make
him number three. He has the second highest winning percentage
in this league, behind only Mahomes. And he is without
question the best dual threat quarter back in league history.
(05:01):
Number four. I worry about his age, but Matt Stafford
maybe has the second best arm in the league.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
He is.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Probably in terms of ability two minute drill to run
an offense as good as anybody including Brady maybe with
the exception of Brady, a great two minute quarterback, great arm,
silly arm, talent, excellent leader, academic of the Linus scrimmage,
(05:33):
but the ability to add lib in the touchdown. Number five,
big concerns about his health. Joe Burrow highest completion percentage
in league history. Offensive line and injury histories worry me,
but I feel like he is the one quarterback in
the league that can go toe to toe with Mahomes
and equal him in accuracy and efficiency. Health the big concern.
(05:56):
And finally, Jared Goff doesn't miss games. Oh, by the way,
led the NFL last year in passing yards including the
playoffs fifty four hundred. He led the sad sack Detroit
Lions to their first NFC championship in thirty three years.
(06:17):
But he's not mobile strictly a pocket quarterback. The final
four would be in my third category, rising stars, not
everything's perfect yet, I think we'll have answers and results
after this year. Number one Justin Herbert, first quarterback in
league history to begin his career without much support on
the O line with three straight four thousand yard passing seasons.
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Number eight CJ. Stroud. I know it's one year. The
kids accuracy, poise and ball placement is insane. First player
in league history with over four thousand yards passing end
up passer rating over one hundred as a rookie. I
don't think he's got a lot of mobility. His comp
(07:05):
was always GoF but he's got more than Jared. The
kid had a remarkable rookie year. Next up, Jordan Love
Week ten on behind a young old line and the
youngest group of receivers and tight ends, was the best
statistical quarterback in the league. I know it's only been
eight weeks, but what I saw in those eight weeks
(07:25):
was a guy that walked into Dallas and was significantly
more accurate, more athletic, and more poised than Dak Prescott.
He's number nine and ten. I worry about the turnovers,
but he was the best high school and college quarterback
and he got this team of playoff win throughout dysfunction.
(07:48):
Trevor Lawrence three different head coaches, already with the Jaguars,
a bit of a mess, back to back fourth thousand
yard passing seasons. This is his best roster yet, tall,
good arm, mobility. Trevor Lawrence at ten. So these if
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I was GM, this is the order in which these
would be the ten highest paid players. Mahomes and Allen
are superstars. Lamar Stafford, Burrough Goff great quarterbacks with a
concern or a flaw. And Tier three Herbert Stroud, Love
and Lawrence rising stars who I think by the end
(08:32):
of this season there will be no argument they should
be top ten in compensation. Jalen Hurts, for the record,
was number eleven, but he's had one great year with
a coordinator who's now a head coach. Dak I had
at twelve McIntyre, that's a grimace.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, Jalen Hurts has to be on this list. College
he was a lot, but I met Burrow at five
is a little reactionary to a couple of injuries.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
A couple a four straight couple.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Jared Goff ahead of Jail and Hurt sets insanity. That
to me is just crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Well, Jared Goff and health is one of my four
components from college to pro starts every week. He's a
little like Eli. It's not always pretty. He's always there
on Sunday, come from behind winds, accuracy, yardage production, always healthy.
The most undervalued quarterback in the league Jared Goff for
(09:36):
the Record, Detroit got better when Stafford left, and I
have Stafford above him because I think he's got all
world arm Towns well.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Their roster got better. Ben Johnson turned into an amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Just throwing it out there, Joel Klatt, Big Noon Conversations,
Dan Lanning, Oregon. Dan Lanning, Oregon's the next one. All right,
So now here we are. We're getting to the point
now where people are giving us their predictions for the
Big Ten. So I think the predictions have been pretty accurate.
Ohio State's favored. Oregon second. I think by a stretch
(10:10):
of the best teams, I think Penn State's got a
good coach and an excellent young quarterback, so I think
they should be third. USC is about fifth or six
with Iowa. So I want to start with this. I
think USC you can say what you want about Lincoln Riley,
but in two years they're averaging forty points a game,
and he took over a roster. As you know, that
(10:31):
was a mess. I kind of think the schedule goes
in their favor. I think if there's a dark horse
in the conference, I kind of think it's sc am.
I being a Homer, it feels like they could win
eight or nine games. They don't pay Oregon, they don't
play Ohio State, Ucla, and Michigan are in rebills. Am
I nuts on that?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:53):
I don't think that you're nuts. I think that USC
could be a sleeper team. I think it all hinges
on that game against LSU. To be honest, in Vegas,
that game is so important for Lincoln Riley because right
now it seems like with the USC faithful, there's a
bit of a wait and see. Let's wait and see
how he's going to do without Caleb Williams. And yet
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from within the program, I do know that there is
a sentiment that they feel like they can get back
to basics, get back to fundamentals, and maybe not be
better at the quarterback position, but certainly be more predictable
at the quarterback position. I think Miller Moss will give
them that ability. He's a really smart player, and he's
more in line with what Lincoln Riley won with at Oklahoma,
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in particular in his first couple of years there with
Baker Mayfield. And so to think that this team is
going to take a step back offensively would be naive.
They will not. Lincoln Riley will not take a step
back offensively. So the question for me is more about
the defensive side. They were abysmal last year and a
terrible defense. Now Danton Lynn comes over from UCLA, and
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by all accounts, I think that this is a great hire.
And if they are just better on the defensive side,
they don't have to be great, they don't even really
have to be good, they just have to be better
than what they were. Then this is certainly a team that,
if they were to beat LSU, could certainly be sitting
there in November with the schedule that they have in
front of them, competing for a playoff spot. I don't
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think that's out of the question.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Listen, it's gonna rankle Big Ten fans if one of
those finesse Pac twelve team comes into the conference and win,
but Oregon gets to host Ohio State. Listen, their nil
is next level. It's Texas level. They have gone out
there's nothing illegal, and bought some really good recruits. I
think Oregon stacked. I don't know what they'll be quite
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at quarterback. Could Oregon win the Big Ten? I think
that you know, they get Ohio State at home. It
wouldn't shock me. What do you make certainly?
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Could you know? I do think it wouldn't shock me.
It wouldn't surprise me. This is easily one of the
top four rosters in all of college football, easily, and
you can call him a finesse Pac twelve team. They
are anything but that. They are really good upfront. In fact,
when you look at the blue chip ratio that they've
signed from high school alone on the defensive front seven,
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it's remarkable. They've got eleven guys in the two deep
their blue chip recruits up front. On the defensive side,
They're going to be fast, they will be physical, and
this is an offense that I think could have one
of the best, if not the best, wide receiver rooms
in the country. So if you put a guy like
Dylan Gabriel and you might think that there's question marks
about that, but I actually believe he is the perfect
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type of quarterback for what Oregon and their offensive coordinator,
Will Stein wants to do. Will Stein, trust me, I
know this. He cut his teeth as a coach and
played for my offensive coordinator, and he will do better
with a point guard out there. That was kind of
the Boat Knicks mold. I think Dylan Gabriel fits in that.
I think Gabriel was actually miscast at Oklahoma. I think
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he's going to be a better player at Oregon. Here's
the reason why. If you look at what Oklahoma had
on their roster last year and what they tried to
do offensively was pushed the ball down the field because
of the length and speed of their wide receivers. That
wasn't Dylan Gabriel. He's more of a point guard that
wants to get the ball out of his hands quickly.
I think he takes a step up. I think he's
a Heisman contender. And it won't surprise me at all
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if Oregon is able to win the Big Ten. This
is a top four team in college football and they've
got national championship aspiration.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So we go to a twelve team playoff, and I
think one of the schools that benefits from this is
Penn State because Penn State is going to pass the
eye test, James Franklin. They've got some elite players. They
have an excellent young quarterback. And when you get down
to selecting the eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelve playoff teams,
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I can he's gonna matter. We're going to know who
the best four teams are. We'll have a strong feeling
about like five through seven or eight. You're going to
get down to like nine, ten, eleven, twelve, who had
impressive wins, Who like on Saturday, did we go, oh oh,
they could play with Texas. I kind of think I
kind of think Penn State's an interesting team in the
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playoff format of my wrong works in their favor a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Okay, So think of it this way too, not just
this year, but in years past, Colin. If you were
to retroactively place the twelve team format over the entirety
of the four team playoff, Okay, so that would be
then you have that margin of eight teams that would
have made playoffs in the last few years that did not.
There was not a team hurt more by the four
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team playoff than Penn State. They're the team that would
have made more playoffs than anybody else.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
In terms of six years, six years they would have
been in the playoffs. Wow, because they were just outside
of the top four. So you can make a strong
argument that there's not a program in the country that
will benefit more from the playoff going from four to
twelve than Penn State. I'll take it a step further. Now,
they don't have divisions in the Big Ten. They were
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stuck in the Big Ten East having to play Michigan
in Ohio State every single year, so they didn't necessarily,
even in a great year, have access to a championship game.
Now you fast forward to this year, guess what happens.
They don't have divisions. They miss Michigan, they miss Oregon
in the regular season. They've got the best schedule setup
of any team in the Big Ten, and pending what
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happens in that Oregon Ohio State game, I can see
a situation or certainly a world where Penn State would
only have one loss at the end of the year
and be in the Big Ten championship game and it
wouldn't be a rematch between Oregon and Ohio State. I
think that's plausible and certainly a team that I'm bullish
on with the quarterback Drew Aler, their talent in the backfield,
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and now what I think is a better offensive coordinator
in Kansas's offensive coordinator Andy Kotelnikki. They call him Coach
k I think he's going to benefit them quite quite tremendously.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
One more big ten question is I like Ryan Day,
they are viewed, I think fairly along with Georgia Texas
as the most talented teams. Is there a flaw? I
think they've been too finesse for the last several years,
and I think Harbaugh illuminated that weakness. Will they? Will
they because they have a quarterback that is not viewed
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as a CJ. Stroud level talent. Will Ohio State pivot
back to fundamentally a little more physical offense going forward
or is this just sort of the new blueprint Their
receiver and quarterback led.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
So Ohio State. If you take a look at what's
going on in the last couple of years, and I
think what certainly is a product of the transfer portal
in IL is what we've seen is that the best
teams in college football become very veteran. So you've got
to be veteran. You can't just be blue ship. You
can't just be talented. You've got to be veteran and experience.
And if you've got that combination of talent, blue chip ratio,
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and veteran experience, then you can consider yourself the best
roster in college football. And that's what Ohio State is.
I think you're accurate in saying that they lost some
of the physicality in Michigan, exploited that over the last
few years. This is a team that should have the
best defense in all of college football, the best front
four in all of college football on the defensive side,
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and insane secondary with Denzel Burke and Caleb Downs and
Lathan Ransom. These guys are incredible and that defense is
going to allow the offense to get their feet wet
with a new offensive play caller and a new quarterback.
Here's the thing about their quarterback, and I think it's
going to be Will Howard. Ohio State is not going
to need CJ. Stroud level quarterback play because of Chip
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Kelly and their backfield. They get Quinchew Judkins from Old Miss,
they get Trevion Henderson to come back, and now with
Chip Kelly, he is going to be able to run
the football to the degree that I don't think any
of us are expecting. I would not be surprised at
all if Ohio State leads the Big Ten in rushing.
I won't be surprised if they're in the top five
in the country because that's what Chip Kelly does. He
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doesn't need a dominant offensive line. He will run the
football and find a way to run the football efficiently.
That's why the pressure is not going to be all
on the shoulders of the quarterback like it has been
over the last few years. This is a team that
I think is absolutely the best, most talented, and most
championship ready roster in all of college football. People say
that it's Georgia, but when you look at the veteran
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nature of this team, coming back, the guys that they
were able to get back from last year to this year,
and then also supplement with the transfer portal, this is
the best roster in college football.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Joel Klatt, so good to see you again. It's so
I mean, look at you. I can tell you've got
a couple of day beard growth. You're still not in
regular season four, you're still a little I.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Mean, yeah, it's preseason, preseason. I didn't even come on
out of the gate, like asking where Aaron Rodgers was.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
On your value.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
I mean, he immediately makes you a Super Bowl contender.
But that's fine. And like Jared Goff over Jalen Hurts,
I'm probably with j Mac. That's a little bit strange
right there. I don't know if I buy that too
much listen, but you know, otherwise, it was a cute list.
You try it hard. That's why I tell my kids
all the time, like, just try your best.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
And you did that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Listen, You're going to go into two days here pretty quickly.
I wouldn't get too cocky. You get all cleaned up.
Joel Klapp, the voice of college football at Fox. Good
seeing your buddy. I'm so fired up you too, buddy.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Have a good day.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I am so fired up for the Big Ten? Is
this incredible? You take the four most prominent kind of
feel bad for Utah. It's a great program, four of
the most high profile, prominent West Coast programs. You jammed
it at the Big Ten. I mean, look at the coaches.
I got. I got Ryan Day, got Chip Kelly as
a coordinator. I got Lincoln Riley, I got I mean,
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you got James Franklin, got Big old, big old names.
Oh my god. And because of the you have a
Pacific time zone, Midwest time zone with your Michigan's right ohouse,
and then you got the East time zone like your
Pens State Maryland's. So you can stack three to four
games in a row in different time zones you can
get I mean, it's insane. You could get Penn State
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in the morning, Michigan in the afternoon. You could get
an Oregon Washington USC at night, just one after another
in the Big Ten. This, this to me, is amazing
about the Big Ten. They're always felt like a time
of the day you would watch the SEC. It's, you know,
certain times of the day you can do nine am
to nine pm in the Big Ten. Now huge brands.
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You could go Penn State USC at nine am in
the future, and then at noon it's Michigan and Washington,
and then after that it's Oregon at home, and after
that it's you know, it's UCLA at home against Ohio State.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
I thought, I heard you say nine am to nine
pm on a Saturday.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
What are you?
Speaker 5 (21:51):
How are you going to hang with your family get
in workouts?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well, I've already told them. Is that this this year
dad's busy Saturday for four Well, I just it's I mean,
I've said this before. I am lobbying to take Fridays
off of the whole staff. There's a reason Saturday's it
worked out.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
How's that going over so far?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Not great?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Okay, let me know if you need backup.
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Speaker 1 (22:41):
According to the players, this is a player's vote. This
is not Uncle Colin being critical of ar. The top
one hundred players going into this season according to a
player's vote, Aaron Rodgers voted ninety two out of one hundred.
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My guess is based on previous seasons, there will be eleven, twelve,
maybe thirteen quarterbacks drafted above Aaron Rodgers. The players now
see what I see. A declining player coming off a
major injury. Predicting a resurgence is fool's goal. Last season,
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his last season in Green Bay. This apparently, like Michael
Jordan's career with the Wizards, has disappeared. But this is
not politics. You can't make stuff up. His last season
with the third rated offensive line, with a sharp offensive
coach in a weaker NFC, Aaron had a lower passer
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rating than Daniel Jones. Those are the facts. And in
this last thirteen starts in Green Bay he was five
and eight, completing sixth sixty three percent of his throws.
That's it. And in five hundred and sixty two days
now he's taken four snaps coming off of major injury.
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The good news, though, he's got Nat Hackett as an
offensive coordinator and a left tackle and Tyron Smith, who
has not started and finished a complete season in nine years.
There will be according to the players minimum ten, perhaps
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closer to twelve players ahead of Aaron Rodgers in the
top one hundred. That is not a criticism. It is
a declining off a major injury. Older quarterback Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
No, no turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
All right, let's start with the mysterious Kevin Durant injury saga.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Coming off the cap strain.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
There were rumors, rumors he could potentially be taken off
the roster due to injury. But Steve curR has come
out and said they are not replacing Kevin Durant. Now
it is weird because they thought he was expecting to play.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
In Abu Dhabi.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Okay, obviously didn't play there, and it's like, Okay, he's
coming to London.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You see some of these warm up videos. He's shooting Colin.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Let's just remember when he popped the Achilles against the
Raptors in the final. Steve Kerr was his coach and
obviously there was a lot of beef with the Warriors.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
He ended up leaving.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah, I don't think Kerr wants, you know, blood on
his hands again if Kad were to get hurt. So
we know how valuable he can be. I mean, he's
the greatest USA basketball.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
We also know that there are decisions made on the
bottom half of rosters, middle and bottom, which Katie, because
of his injury history and age, he's kind of a
middle of the bottom player now in this well, well,
I mean he's not and we don't view miss Tatum
or Lebron.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
That's in pretty easily put in.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
He fits in easily. But I think in Olympic teams
there's a lot of decisions made and there's politics involved, protection, chemistry, politics.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
So Team USA six for seventeen on threes against Germany, Okay,
they could not really shoot it well.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Against South they get used or it comes in.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
He just banging threes.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
It's you know, come on, stretch the floor.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You know, I'm a KD fan. I don't want him
to go out there and get hurt. But there's a
rule where they lose one of these games.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Okay in Paris.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I'm just telling you that Kevin made teams are not rolling.
They're not taking photos with Team USA.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I would I would say this, don't take too much
from the lousy defense early in these five exhibition games.
They'll ratchet it up. Defenses work. Our guys weren't working
very hard at the defensive end. And also our best
defensive player Ad comes off the bench. Our second best
defensive player, arguably Bam, comes off the bench. So the
defense looked great when you went to the bench. Much
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better anyway, and Kadi's hurt. So I think a lot
of this will get saw here when the Olympics start.
You know, South Sudan's actually better than maybe people thought.
You live, you learn.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Katie is the greatest USA basketball player ever, according to
that chart we just showed on the screen. You think
he's only a middle of the tier pack guy on
this team.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
No, I mean look at those numbers.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Like every any Olympics he comes in, it's just a
flame thrower.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I don't see.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I mean, Colin, he's if he's ninety percent healthy, he's
like the fourth best guy on the team, maybe fifth.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Nombout to say, Anthony Edwards little.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Turnover prone yesterday, a little too much one on one,
Jason Tatum running into the same thing because they just
clogged the lane. No three seconds in the lane, so
the defenders were just jamming it. Tatum not getting to
the rim as easily. This durrant stuff is troubling.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I can't wait for these games anyways.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Let's move on to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Saquon Barkley made the move from the Giants to the
Eagles this offseason.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
We got a glimpse into that breakup from New York's.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Hard Knocks, which has been phenomenal, and now Saquan is
sharing how he felt during those negotiations.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Kind of felt like it was like, you know, kind
of a little disrespectful, uh, to be honest, because it's
kind of like a sloping face flight. You go see
what you are worth and then if you're worth that,
we'll see if you're worth it, then maybe we'll match it.
They really weren't in play. I guess you could say,
come to find out, see the reality of it. When
you look at hard Enofice, like you make it seem like, oh,
like this was like a thing that was going on
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every single day, but it really wasn't. Hard That's did
a really good job, and like it looks juicy. It
looks like we was like, oh, like okay, like there's
actually could have been a thing, and like they pulled
out the last second. Like reality like it never never
really wasn't you know the whole time, Like me and
my agent talking on our sides like yeah, we don't
think that the Giants are ever gonna do anything.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
You know, from time to time a player changed his
team in the NFL, and uh, we know he's a
good player. This is gonna be one of those moves
that were like six games end of the season, the
Giants let him go. I think this is gonna be
the fact that he went crosstown to your primary rival.
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This is gonna have, it's gonna have. They'll be shrapnel,
there's gonna be people are gonna lose jobs in New
York over this.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I don't know if anyone's ever lost a job over
a running back.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
When he watched for thirteen hundred yards and nine tds,
somebody will, I.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Mean, this show has really done just a number on
the New York Times. They to me look like the
most NF team in the league right now.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Like nobody's talking.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
About Carolina right It's all the spotlight is on the
Giants and how badly they butchered this.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
And I just have to look up some stuff from Barkley,
you know, coming out of Penn State.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
He wasn't like just good, he was like, no, this
is this the next Like Barry Sanderson.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I think I think the last two running backs from
the Big Tens that were like you could argue the
last three running backs that entered the league with a
can't miss have been Sakuon Adrian Peterson and Zeke. Yeah
that they were just these guys are now. I think
John Robinson in Atlanta is really really good, but I
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don't think he's that explosive. I just think he's really
well rounded. There's no flaw to his game. But I
think Saquon, Zeke and Adrian Peterson were, oh, yeah, these
will be stars if there.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
McCaffrey looked really really good coming out, but he didn't
look but safe.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I don't think. I mean, I love Christian McCaffrey. I
don't think anybody thought he would be maybe the second
best round back ever.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
You get him with Shanahan and now he's like, oh
my gosh.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, you get Saquan with the Jalen Hurts and we'll
see what Kellen Morgan's came up. There's a world where
he is McCaffrey, like not saying it derogatory, like he
could be in that mccaffreck category.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
If you go to the last five years, the gap
between the Eagles O line and the Giants O line,
you arguably have the best and the worst. I mean,
in the last last five six years, take the average
Eagle O line, it's no worse than third arguably the
best on average in the league, and the Giants has been,
on average the worst in the league. So for a
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running back beyond play calling, Saquon is going from you know,
the old outhouse of the penhouse. He is going from
and by the way, with a better quarterback, so he's
not he's not. You know, it's third and three, which
is second and four, which is heaven for a running back.
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All Theuon is gonna get a significant number of carries
based on deception, counters, traps where you don't see it coming.
Like I mean, you basically started your drives in New
York with Saquon first two, first two downs and then
it's Daniel throwing on third and long. So I know,
I think this is not just a oh, he'll be good.
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I think you're gonna look up by Thanksgiving and go
how in the world do the Giants let him go
if he maintains his health.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
If you need a midweek list best skill position droopings
in the league, Eagles now have Brown, DeVante Smith, Jalen Hurt.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Jalen Hurts a quarter barb and always good, tied in
probably better than the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
The PFI debo mccaffley versus what the Eagles forty nine
ers that's almost a why.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
And then Eagles O line, according to PFF this morning,
is ranked second in the league behind Detroit. I mean,
just ask yourself, go look at Jared gobb good old
line to bad. He's a different quarterback. Saquon Worst Giants
ranked twenty nine he has been in New York. Basically,
it was almost no creases to now the second best
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O line in the league. I mean, one of the
reasons the Lions went and drafted a running back member,
Jamior Gibbs, and people were like, I don't know about
the draft pick. One of the reasons it made sense
is he was guaranteed to be productive because of the
Lion's O line. It was a camp miss. I mean,
when you have a great running back with a very
very strong old line, that's like a guaranteed hit in
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the first round.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Sleeping on the Eagles in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
No, I haven't went in the division. Absolutely, why not
more because I don't know if I trust Nick Siriani,
But they're the best team in the division. That's not
even their rosters easily the best of thenovasion.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
It's not close just because you brought it up, Sirianni
or Dan Campbell?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Who do you trust more?
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Dan Campbell?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
In one game?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yes, well that the league isn't one.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Game, so it's a play a playoff game it is,
and that's a championship. Who you trust more, Sirianni or
Dave Campbell?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Come on?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Final story? Is Kyler Murray your buddy? He's been criticized
in the past for not being fully committed to football,
but it looks like he's changing.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
His attitude in terms of look at that.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
According to the athletic members of the Arizona Cardinals coaching
staff in locker room have been raving about Kyler's commitment,
commitment and drive drive.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Heading into the twenty twenty four seasons.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Interesting, that's the Kyler Murray I know, committed driven?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Did they take away his Xbox and play saying?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You know what, I don't have a problem playing the
little Xbox when you get home after a hot day
at work. He's not married with a bunch of kids.
Do what you want to do when he gets hot?
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Is his monstill doing LNG?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Do you see the words used there? Rave about his
drive and commitment. I don't know how many people on
this staff. I rave about their drive hole.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I'm not like them.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
That's not a side of me obviously raving you. You
don't rave about me.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I'd use a.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Different word, I hear.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Oh YEAHN can't heard. All right, I remember your two
ear rings you were raving?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
All right, I need to show up with the double
hoop earrings when the Jets are How about that. If
the Jets go to the Super Bowl, I'll do a
show with the double hooping.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Oh yeah, I don't have to make top.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
If the Jets with the division, you got to wear
a tank top.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I don't look good.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
No, no, will you agree to that?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
That's on video.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I don't know that was burned. That's not available to
impress them.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
So you're weltzing now in bets.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Okay, I don't look good at the guy you are.
I don't look good in the tank top. Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
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Speaker 7 (35:24):
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We never have enough time to get to everything we
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And that's why we have a brand new podcast called
over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in
our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly,
because this guy is over promising things we never have
time for. Yeah, you blubber li lame in me.
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Well you know what it's called over promise. You should
be good at it because you've been over promising women
for years.
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Speaker 8 (36:00):
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continue on our after show called over Promised.
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Speaker 5 (36:26):
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Speaker 1 (36:42):
By the way, Paul Pierce was very smart an hour ago.
I thought this was interesting. I hadn't heard anybody else
stated that the three players that are playing best in
the Olympics are playing the best because they're playing the
same game they do in the NBA. And this is
why Joel Embiid is struggling so far.
Speaker 9 (37:00):
The court shrinks in the Olympics. It's a smaller court.
The three point line is smaller, you know, so everything
is kind of packed in, so it looks like he's
in the way. And so that's why the defense gets
better when you have Bam out of BYUO out there
because he switches and so you always see this. The
the US team keeps making a run. Every time you
put Bam and a D in, they make a run immediately.
(37:21):
I would start Bam, I really would. I like what
he brings because you don't have to go to him.
He creates his own offense, offenser or you know, ad
the same thing. You know, I think it's better. Whereas
for MB to be effective, you have to go to him.
He's a score, he needs the ball, he needs to
operate in space, and so if he's not doing that,
then he's sort of kind of wasted out there.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I thought that was a really good point. By the way,
I did this earlier, and I've said this multiple times,
I love what I do for a living, but you know,
I always thought a cool thing if I didn't do this,
would write a screenplay that's not going to happen, or
be a general manager in the NFL that's not going
to happen.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I said.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
The way it works with quarterbacks is eer AA was
trying to get team friendly deals. The only time you
really get an incredibly team friendly deal in the NFL
with a quarterback is if you hit a home run
like CJ. Stroud and you get him for cheap on
a rookie deal for four years. Other than that, you
got to pay quarterbacks. So the question is once you
got to pay him, who would you really go all
(38:23):
in on give them the bag Again, you do the
best you can to get a team friendly deal. But
I think there are ten quarterbacks in this league in
three categories that I would pay. This is the order
in which if players were paid based on their overall
value and their connection to winning, health, production, and elevating others,
(38:46):
I would make Mahomes the highest paid quarterback in the
league in Josh Allen second. Josh Allen last year had
ten more touchdowns total than any quarterback in the league.
He is a machine production wise. So Mahomes and Allen
to me have separated from the league. There are four
quarterbacks after that that I think can win a super Bowl,
(39:07):
but they've got a flaw. Lamar, Matt Stafford Burrow, and
goff Lamar. I worry about his postseason success or lack
thereof Stafford's age, Burrow's health, and Jared Goff's inability to
make plays if the pocket collapses. He is a pure
old school pocket passer. Then I think there are four
quarterbacks who are rising stars. They just need a coach,
(39:31):
or they need more games, or they need a support system,
And that would be Justin Herbert C. J. Stroud, Jordan Love,
and Trevor Lawrence. But I think all four of those,
by the end of this season, you'll think of them
as potentially Tier two quarterbacks, not Tier three. So these
are the ten guys in the league I would pay
(39:53):
based on winning, health, production, and the ability to elevate others.
Jack Prescott, who I had at twelve, I think he's
been elevated by others. The numbers clearly show the more
DAK reliant the Cowboys are, they do not beat good teams.
(40:14):
Now I have Jalen Hurts at eleven, but I'm concerned
about size and injuries, and he has had one great
year and that coordinator is now gone. That concerns me. Also,
that is a stacked roster in his division, and there
are arguments that though he has shown an ability to
(40:34):
elevate others, he has often been elevated. I'd like to
see him with a normal center and with a good OC,
not a great one. Last year at the end of
the year it wasn't pretty for Jalen Hurts and could
Caleb Williams move into this brought pretty people want? But
again to this point, I believe Purdy has been elevated
(40:56):
by his coach and roster. He hasn't done anything more
than what Jimmy Garoppolo did. Win a bunch of games,
win his division, and get to a super Bowl and lose.
That is my top ten. And I think a lot
of people look at goff and because stylistically he doesn't
wow you, But if you start looking at just yards, touchdowns,
accuracy and winning, Gof's great. There's no doubt about it.
(41:20):
He has been a better NFL quarterback than Justin Herbert
so far. Herbert's bigger, stronger, moves better, with a better arm.
But part of my you know, the elements, is winning
and GoF is one more so Herbert I think will
win now that he has a very highly not only competent,
but top tier NFL coach. So there it is. If
(41:42):
if I was gonna pay quarterbacks, these were the ten
in that order, they would be paced in that. It
never works that way. Mahomes will be the highest paid quarterback.
Eight months later he's number four. That's the way it worked.
The last guy paid usually the highest guy if he's
a good quarterback. J Max still grimacing as he looks.
But I think it's pretty complete grimacing. Just you know,
(42:03):
it just feels like a little recency bias. Oh, Jordan
Love finished with eight awesome games. Let's shove him in there. CJ.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Stroud had a great rookie year.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well you do. Let's be fair. You do have to
as a general manager look at previous seasons.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Like fine, let's look at Justin Herbert, My guy, I
love Justin Hurst career record thirty and thirty.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Two, there's no question. But he's also the only quarterback
ever four thousand, four thousand, four thousand guys, I love
Herbert with bad old lines.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
So Joe Burrow goes down last year with an injury. Everybody, Oh,
Bengals are done, They're toast, and the kid Browning nearly
led him to the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
Like I was like, oh, I had not considered that Joe.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
By the way, this Jalen hurts injury history. I'm trying
to look it up.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
I don't see him missing, like missed more games than
than Jalen.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Hurt Lamar has also been much greater than James in
the regular season j j Ninety percent of NFL games
are played before the playoffs, so that that does matter.
We can't just judge people. Eli Manning would be I mean,
if you just counted the playoffs, you have to count
the regular season. It comprises, I mean, Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
In January, Joe Baby.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
All right, Mark Sanchez, how about that his jersey? You
saw it in Holland and it's global. We'll have him
coming up next
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