September 18, 2024 • 42 mins
The voice of college football Joel Klatt joins The Herd to talk about the season so far
Jerry Jones says Mike McCarthy’s contract isn’t tied to regular season
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome in our two in a Wednesday Joel Klatt five
minutes live in Los Angeles. HiT's the Herd wherever you
may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. I'm letting my hair grow
a little longer these days. I'm not sure what's going on,
but I'm just I'm gonna I'm gonna cut it. I
think tomorrow it's getting a little shaggy out there. But
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I like how it feels. Last night, by the way,
temperature's cooled. I sat there, it was, sat on my deck.
It's a the art half a c agard.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh jeez, you're addicted.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Cocktail cigar. Sat up there for two hours just looking
at southern California. How beautiful it was.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I went back to an old vice colin. I hate
to report this, would you do. I had a cup
of coffee this morning, first time in four months. Wow,
I'm not sleeping well. A lot going on up here,
a lot happening with the gambling. There's just a lot
of good things happening in life right now. Yeah, and
I just I'm excited. I'm fired up.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And so you can't sleep right, So you're a little
groggy this morning. Yes, Well it's Wednesday. You can be growny.
You can be groggy on Wednesday. Was it Tuesday? No,
it's Wednesday. You got to be ready on Saturday. That's
all I know. Jerry Jones was on his local radio
hit and he was talking about Mike McCarthy. McCarthy keeps
winning twelve games and then struggling in January, February, all
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that stuff. Here's Jerry Jones this week talking about it.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
The NFL is one that you can lose several games
and if you're playing well at the end of the year,
you can win the Super Bowl. And so that's just.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
What we've got.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
If we've got any arbitross around our neck is that
we've been a good, good to very good team during
the season over the last four or five years with
mine and we haven't done well in the playoff. So
let's trade some challenges during the season for doing well
in the playoff. If you want to look at it
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that one.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well, except there's one big difference. Jerry's making that sound incidental. Well,
I mean, we're really good here and we're pretty good here,
and then we're not good there. That's because really good
teams win Super Bowls, not just good teams and el
it's a good team. Half these ninety percent of these
players that they've played in Jacksonville, you would know who
they are. We'd never talk back VI's in Jacksonville. We
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talked CD Lamb. But there's like thirty great receivers in
the league. If you look at the last five Super Bowls,
here are the teams that have been in them. Mahomes,
San Francisco Stack Roster Eagles, Jalen Hurt, Stack Roster, Brady Bucks,
Rams McVay, Stafford Burrow Bengals. You know what you see,
A plus coaches, mostly A plus quarterbacks, or or if
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the coach isn't an a plus, we don't know. Zach Taylor.
You've got depth on offense, multiple players of Joe Mixon
and Jamar Chase te Higgins, a good tight end. You've
got all time defensive lineman. The Cowboys ceiling, let's be
honest about it. B plus coach and a B plus
quarterback and not a lot of offensive depth price C minus
offensive depth. So that's what they are. And even by
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the way, Micah Parsons I like, but he has disappeared
in playoff games. He's disappeared in big games. You know
who never did, Chris Jones, Kansas City, Aaron Donald, Trey Hendrickson,
Nick Bosa. They don't disappear. So to me, the Cowboys
have one truly great player, Ceedee Lamb. It doesn't matter
if it's a playoff game, it's an opening game, it's
a rival game, it's a road game, home game, cold war,
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doesn't matter. Ceedee Lamb is great. Great. Micah is consistently
very good and matchup dependent. He faces Trent Williams, he'll
get swallowed up. He faced the great left tackle. Either side,
you're not gonna hear much from Micah.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I said.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Adrian Hutchison is his comp and I think Hutchison popped
this year. He's better. So it's basically they're a BT
plus student trying to get to Harvard because that's what
the super Bowl is. So it's not a knock on Dallas.
It's a reality. Jerry's saying, well, we're pretty good here
and we don't do good in January. That's because pretty
good doesn't get to play in February. That's the way
it works. It's a McVeigh, it's a Stafford, it's a Mahomes,
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it's an Andy Reid, it's a Joe Burrow. That's the
way it works. And with that, the voice of college
football for Fox, Joel Klatt, is now joining us live
on The Herd by the way, the Big Game this weekend.
I just had Lincoln Riley on Ohio State Marvel, Okay, whatever,
we'll get to that second. They are called the Herd,
by the way, stole it from That's right. Did they
steal that from you?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Who wouldn't. So here's the thing is that when when
all these Pac twelve teams join the Big Ten? You
heard love this, well, it gets cold out here. Yeah,
I'll just tell you all the former Pac twelve teams
this year have been really good. USC has been exceptional
and I like USC, and I don't think I'm being
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a homer. Their first Big Ten game they feel like
a more complete team. I think you're generalizing. UCLA has
not been good at all. They've been bad. Washington got
beat by Washington State and Idaho almost beat Oregon. So no,
all the Pac twelve teams that moved to the Big
ten have not been great. But that's okay. I understand
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why you feel that way because you're a USC homer,
and so if USC is doing well, that means like
the entire West Coast is doing well. They are pretty good.
They're carrying the West Coast, which is fine, and they
are doing well. So to your point, yes, USC needed
to answer for me one specific question. Could you play
average defense? Because I thought average defense would make them
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a pretty good football team. Yeah, it's better than average.
Danton Lynn, their new defensive coordinator, has come in and
made that a strength of theirs. I thought that USC
had far too many defenders that were in one on
one situations in space in previous years, not just like
trying to defend, but trying to tackle in space one
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on one. What you see from this structure of defense
is a very different style of defense. This is the
Baltimore Ravens style of defense. So Danton Lynn cut his
teeth under that Baltimore Ravens staff. So he was in
the room with Jesse Mintor and Mike McDonald when they
were all learning this defense. Okay, so he goes off
onto his own and what this defense does in its
structure and why it's been so successful, wildly successful everywhere
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it's been by the way Baltimore's plays great defense. Michigan
had the best defense in college football last year Seattle's
two to zero. You look at what the Chargers have
done defensively, like there are already really good under Jesse Minterter.
Here's what it does. Leverages the football well. And what
they do is they forced teams to drive eight, nine,
ten to eleven plays versus. This is creating big plays
because they don't expose their their players to one on
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one situations. They build a run wall up front with
their interior defensive line, they have hard edges on the outside,
and then they leverage the football with their structure of
defense in the secondary in order to have hybrid athletes
go and pinch the football and leverage the football. So
what does that mean, Colin. That means that they don't
have as many one on one situations in space where
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one guy has to make the tackle. That's what killed
decimated USC in previous years, and now you don't find
that as much. I think what's interesting for me about
this game specifically, and I know maybe defensive football isn't
like sexy for you to talk about, but I love
that type of leverage. Like USC was last great when
they hit people Pete Carroll well and their defenses were
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some of the better defenses in the country. In fact,
the reason they lost to Texas is that that defense
in five wasn't up to park. They was missing two
corners and we digress. Now this team faces a Michigan
team that is in full identity crisis. They're changing the
quarterback and it's not just like one for another, it's
an entire philosophy for another. Yeah, they don't tell what
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they are. What Davis Warren provides is vastly different than
what Alex Orgy provides at quarterback in terms of what
their skill set is and what the offense's philosophy will
likely be when they're in at quarterback. I don't envy
Danton Lynn and USC because they're going into this and
it's basically an opener. It's like, well, what are we
going to see from Michigan offensively, probably a lot of run.
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And if I'm Michigan, guess what I'm gonna do, probably
run it fifty or fifty five times.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I want to shorten the game, keep Lincoln's offense off
the field, and I want to put Alex Orgy in
the best possible situation to succeed. Why not test the
USC defense in terms of their physicality. Okay, so I've
said this generally when I the eyeball test in the
NFL doesn't mean anything because everybody's big and fast. I
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kind of watch quarterback play. Yeah, the margin is not
that far in the NFL. Nobody looks assume you know,
there were there have been some teams. Steeler teams years
ago felt bigger and stronger, but Raven teams always had
that sort of linebackers were bigger than everybody else's. So
at the NFL level, I watched a lot of quarterback
play and coaching. At the college level, I look at bodies.
Texas looks like the number one team in the country.
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They now are. I think that offensive line, I think
it's it's the get out of jail free card. I
think it's the Classic. We're not playing well today, Let's
just run it behind them. Because, by the way I
watched Georgia play Kentucky, every good team is a stinker everybody.
You can't ask kids who are nineteen years old give
me thirteen great weeks. That old line is just going
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to carry you through bad saturdays. So line play is
more important in college than it is NFL, because in
the NFL, it's it's it's more similar across every team. Yeah,
and so quarterback play in the NFL level is just like,
oh my gosh, everything, it's everything in college, what do
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we see win the national championship? If quarterbacks win Super Bowls,
line play wins national championship. The SEC has been so
great for twenty years, that's exactly right. Georgia was dominant
for the last couple of years. Michigan was dominant last year.
Where line of scrimmage all sides of the ball, defensive
and offensive. And when you see teams struggle early in
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the year, that's the first place to point. Do you
know that, Like Oregon had shuffled their offensive line around
and worked awful, they were awful, and then all of
a sudden they find the right combination of what happens.
They look great. Why they figured out their offensive line play.
They rotated guards and switched it around, and they found
the combination that works. Georgia struggled because of the injury
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to their guard. Their guard is probably the best guard
in the country, is a first round pick. He gets
hurt and he's going to be out about six weeks.
That's a problem for Georgia. They got pushed around by
he's front or in the first half. I think losing
I believe it's a gosh, I'm blanking on his name
rat lift for something along those lines. Anyways, they lose
this guard with their schedule, that's concerning to me, all
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of a sudden. A loss or two is certainly in
the equation for Georgia because they're going to be struggling
in terms of an offensive line combination. Guess who's not
struggling with an offensive line combination, Texas. That's why they
look so good. How can two quarterbacks look as dominant. Yeah,
they're bowl skilled yours in arch Manning. They're playing behind
an offensive line that isn't a dominant offensive line. These guys,
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four of them, have played for the better part of
three years. I remember when they started as freshman. Calvin
Banks has started for like a million years, and he's
probably going to be the first tackle taken or one
of them. But it's not a good tackle year in
the draft, so he'll be the first guy taken or
or one of them. Let me tell this that you
I do not believe in controversy. Clickbait is my enemy,
is it? But arch Manning arch man five quinn Ewers.
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I'd be like, arch Manning's pretty tasty, but you don't.
You don't pedal in controversy. Morally, I'm against it. Are
you that's fast? My value system is above it. But
arch Manning looks good. He does. He looks good, art
looks great, I know he does. No big deal though,
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if you're winning and there's no controversy, that's exactly right.
It's almost like this is embarrassment of riches. Yeah, it's
like this is a great problem backup quarterback in college
football history, without question, without question. I think what was
surprising was that he ran as fast as he I know,
it's like seeing that number and name on the back run,
you know, I almost hit twenty one miles an hour.
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Because they have GPS and twenty one miles an hour
is like fast fast, you know, like I couldn't hit
twenty one miles an hour on a bike. That guy
is just rolling out. Never forget this the lineage Archie
Manning could run. He could, Elion Eli and everybody else could.
Peyton could only run fast if be like lean that
big head forward and it was like, well, he's you
got to fit all that football somewhere. The one guy
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in the field. I will say this about arch arch
gives Texas the opportunity to just be patient with Quinn.
Yours you don't have to rush him back. And now
it also allows you to be more aggressive when yours
comes back. Yours can play a little bit more free
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than if you have a situation where you don't have
a backup. Let me give you an example really quickly.
A few years ago, Ohio State had justin Fields, and
they were reluctant to let Fields run even though that
was such a threat for him, because they didn't have
a backup. Heber at Oregon, Herbert at Oregon, McCarthy at Michigan,
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and it's the same type of deal. So they were
always playing with like a percentage of their offense because
of the depth issue at quarterback. Texas doesn't have that.
Now you're gonna get the the entirety of the offense
in its fullest because they've got depth everywhere. They've got
depth of wide receiver, they've got depth of offensive line,
and now obviously proven out to have depth a quarterback. Okay,
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let's talk. Last week, I did something on my show.
It got a lot of reaction. Was it controversial? I'm
against it morally, but I did think this needed to
be addressed. After nine years as the fake idea of
college football, Iowa graduated, got a nice job in an
accounting firm in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. So I named
Colorado is the new fake idea of college football. And
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I said, at least Iowa could handle their beer. I mean,
Colorado was like barfing on their shoes after half of margarita.
I will say last week, it's a win, it's a rival,
but it is a little noisy for my taste. I
mean a lot of the noise comes from outside. A
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lot of the noises. How about you shake hands with
the team you just beat. Yeah, I mean, hey, how
about if you're the opposing quarterback, you don't run your
mouth as to the extent that that Braden Fowler Nicolosi
ran his mouth and then couldn't back it up on
the field. And by the way, if you just run
the video a little bit, you're gonna see Shidor Sanders
shake everybody else's hands. He WAPs up everybody from CSU
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except for this clown that ran his mouth about how
good he was. That's a little hard. I mean, he
goes to CSU whatever, So, you know, I mean, I
don't know what to tell you. Yeah, it's this team
does show a little bit more than they did last year.
What do you mean shows more? What do you mean?
What was that mean? I was very critical of Colorado
early in the season because I thought, man, nothing's nothing changed.
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They've got this great quarterback and Travis Hunter, who's, by
the way, fabulous. You know, honestly, he should be the
first player picked in the drafts, the best player, the
best player I've seen. He probably should if you were
voting for the Heisman Trophy, you'd probably have to vote him. Now.
He's a great play. He is a great player. Okay,
So you have these like elite players and I thought, man,
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they haven't showed anything else, though, you know, the defense
is still suspect and so on and so forth, and
yet I'm starting you're starting to see a little bit
of growth in areas outside of Shdoor Sanders and Travis Hunter.
The run game all of a sudden, a little bit better,
a little bit more, sustained over five yards per carry
in their last game, and they haven't. They've given up
nine points in their last six quarters on defense. Ye
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that includes the Nebraska game. So all of a sudden,
now this defense is starting to improve. And now you've
got this two weeks and folks, I'll just put it
to you this way, rather than make proclamations of what
they will be or won't be, or d on this
or shudor that, Colorado season is going to be defined
for them in their performances in the next two weeks.
They've got Baylor at home and UCF on the road.
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If they win both of those two games, they're in
upper echelon, upper tier Big twelve team competing for a
right to go to the Big twelve title game. If
they don't, then they're, as you said, probably the fake ID.
Even though you're you're reusing the bit. I mean, you
could probably find another bit. The fake id thing was
was Iowa's Listen. Isn't that a bit of a slab
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in the face to them? No? I think I think
they tired of it. They were tired of it. They
were celebrating my pivot. Okay, Clatt's top ten Texas. I
don't disagree with any of this, but I but I'll
push back a little. So Clatt's top ten, uh, you know,
for a radio audience. Texas, Ohio State, Miami, Tennessee, Georgia, Bama,
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US E Old Miss, Penn State, Oregon. I think Oregon.
I'm not quite sure it's going to give them that
much love. But whatever, time out, do you like Miami
or do you just like cam Ward? And if that's
the latter's the answer, I'm okay with it. I don't
trust Miami situation. I just like cam Ward same. I
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love cam Ward, Yeah, everybody does. I don't know if
I trust their coach yet, because of the mistakes that
he's made historically in terms of game management. Has not
a personal coach, not a close game, that's game management issues.
I do trust them actually at the line of scrimmage, though,
you know, they have shown the ability to win in upfront,
and as I pointed out earlier, I think that's really
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where college football is is at the line of scrimmage.
And so I think that they're not only the ACC favorite,
but he to me Ward, speaking of cam Ward, he
makes them an elite college football team. I'll be pretty
surprised if they don't win the ACC. I'll be pretty
surprised if they're not a top four seed in the
College Football Playoff. And then I know that I moved
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Georgia all the way down, But listen, I watched. I
watched that they got pushed around up front. Y they did.
And I'm just throwing this out there, and I'm not
saying that Georgia is worse or not gonna do this
or that with the issues on the offensive line. By
the way, Carson Beck has a slight ac joint sprain
in his left non throwing shoulder, and look good if
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you get some of these injuries, folks, they have one
of the most difficult schedules in the George is not
going undefeated, no, not having And now if you start
to mess with the offensive line, you can see maybe
a second or third loss creep up. Meanwhile, meanwile just
point this out Ole, miss and Missouri have two of
the easier schedules in the SEC, so there is there
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is a plausible path to Georgia not representing well either
not being in the SEC championship game. We don't talk
a lot of Ohio State because we know they're going
to be good and they haven't really played anybody. They
haven't played anybody. I like Will Howard, Well, here's kind
of with Ohio State'll we'll talk about them when it matters. Sure,
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I think what happens I'm gonna tell you about the
anti USC bias that happens in America is that people,
because it's LA and everybody's always banging on lay, they
don't want to acknowledge how good USC is. If USC,
outside of Texas and Ohio State played anybody, they'd win.
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I don't know about that. Lincoln Riley, Mario, Christopher Alabama.
I think I think Alabama's Do you think they could
beat Tennessee? Tennessee's scoring offense in the country, the best
rushing team in the country. Hey, listen, I just appreciate
you had the conviction to get rid of one A,
one B, one C. Like last week, I was trying
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to present a clear tier hierarchy. If you will, you know,
that'd be the Herd hierarchy. I don't know about that.
With the USC. If they win this week at Michigan,
pending how the game goes, we will have a direct
comparison through common opponent to what Texas did at the
same location. So we're going to know exactly what USC
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is compared with the team that we think is the
best in college football at the end of this weekend.
Is Will Howard a pro quarterback? Just asking because I
watched him early and I thought, God, he moves well,
he throws. But a lot of guys in college I
mean a lot of us get a chance. I mean
even I got a chance, did you. Yeah? What happened?
I got signed with New Orleans and didn't work out.
Then Detroit didn't work out. Really, yeah, you never told
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me that. Yeah, So a real quick story about New Orleans.
So this is right after Katrina. Sean Payton gets the job,
They signed Drew Breese, draft Reggie Bush. So I go
in for rookie mini camp, no contract, so I'm just
an undrafted free agent. Sean Payton and everybody there, Yeah,
Sean Payton, Marcus Coulston. These guys my cast was actually
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their second round wide receiver and Colson was like the
seventh round wide receiver. So I'm sitting there throwing one
on one routes and routes on air. It was one
of our first drills in rookie mini camp down in
New Orleans, and Sean was standing behind me and he
starts telling me, hey, throw it to that guy, like, hi, okay,
now throw it to his back shoulder, all right, now,
stretch him out. And I thought he was like, hey man,
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this kid's accurate. No. No, he was gushing over Marcus Coulson,
who was this low round pick that they had gotten
it. It was his first time to see him on the
practice field, and I'm throwing these passes to Marcus Colston.
Reggie was there. I was with Reggie in his first
rookie mini camp, which another quick funny story about that,
and I've told Reggie this story. We go on the
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flight I'm leaving from Denver. He's connecting in Denver and
then going to New Orleans. So he connects from LA
and so we're on the same flight from LA or
excuse me, from Denver down to New Orleans. He's in
first class. I'm in like thirty seven E right, And
we get off the plane and we go down to
the baggage to get our bags, and I'm just kind
of like in a jumpsuit, you know, like traveling in
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kind of athletic gear. And he kind of realizes that,
like we're together and there's a couple of gas that
are there to pick us up. He thinks that I'm
just like a ga. So he rolls me his bag
off of the baggage clane and I'm like, this is Reggie,
you know. I'm like Reggie's at this point, like I'm
massive start just on the Heisman Trophy, like he's the
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biggest star in college football, and then in the draft
and all this stuff. And so I have this thought,
I'm like, am I gonna tell him that I'm also
a player? Or am I just going to carry his bag?
And I thought, I'm just going to carry his bag.
So I just rolled both of our bags out to
the the bus and I threw him on the little
like sprinter van that we were using, and then I
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got in the back with him, and he was kind
of like looking at me, like, well, why isn't he
upfront with the rest of the schlepgas and then he
finally realizes it and he tried to He was like, hey, man,
I'm sorry for rolling you in my bag. I'm like,
no problem. Do you want me to get it when
we get off to By the way, the NCAA accused
him of getting a few bags rolled to him at college,
but that was all untrue. It was a grievance and outrageous.
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Now it's legal in IL and that's funny. That's why.
By the way, I watched that Connor Stallions the if
you'd not seen the Connor Stallions Netflix documentary, yeah, the
doc even handed. I would hire Connor Stallions in two minutes.
It's fantastic. Well, you know Neam Montalolo, the Navy coach. Yes,
so Connor's first job was for Navy. Yeah, and coach
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Neiam Montalolo guess what his his first task was, first
task to cipher signs and he's like, okay, we go.
Connor Stallions went into the office and the coach says,
what do you do? And he said, he goes, can
you decipher signs for us? Sure? And Netflix very fairly.
I think Dan Wetzel was the reporter, Michigan was miles
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behind with Harbaugh in doing that, so they had to
find somebody who could kind of do it, I think,
and the other you know, the ANSI source subject. I mean,
you bring this up. I mean people are saying with
their struggles, it's like it was all the signs stealing,
and they totally throw out the last half of last
season where they beat all of those ranked teams without stallions,
without the operation, and they beat them worse. It's like,
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are they stealing signs on fourth down against Bama and
the Rose Bowls? Get out of here. It's the same
Colts fans who say to flate Gate, they tracked Brady
sixteen games after the flate Gate was the most efficient
he'd been. Like, Tom's good, Michigan was good. They had
a zillion NFL guys. You cheaters. Okay, but that's why
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I can't be outraged by Connor Stallions. The worst thing
you could do in college football My entire life was
pay a high schooler. Now they're bidding wars. Yeah, it
would be Seriously, It's like me getting outraged by jaywalking.
It's like, yeah, everybody's doing it. I guess they were
a little bit out of the crosswalk at Michigan. But
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that Netflix documentary not to tell you to go to
streaming on Connor Stallion's is must watch. Thought I thought
it was a great documentary. I mean, listen, they they
broke the rules, and I think they should be punished
accordingly and have been. I mean they had to play. Well,
you get a ticket for jaywalking. Go there you go.
You and I agree, But to act like sign stealing
is some somehow the biggest issue in the outcome of
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all of these games is just naive. And for the record,
for the record, not only does Netflix tell you that
people everybody has somebody on the staff doing it, but
what they also told you is something I heard years
ago from coaches. There's a subculture, so like Connor Stallions
will get calls from the Indiana guys. So there's this
subculture of sign stealing where people are sharing information. It's
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like Wall Street. Well, there's there's at least rumblings that
TCU had help in the playoff game against Michigan. Correct, Yeah,
which is like, that's that's what it is. I'm I
don't know, I I digress. That's that's what we could do.
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A whole hour on this subject. Yeah, I just it's
it's when you're paying, when you're having bidding wars for
high school players, settled down on sign stealings, deciding games.
You know what I was reminded of. Do you remember
Aj Green? Of course he got suspended for like like
the first half of the season for selling his bowl jersey.
(26:45):
How ridiculous. No, but the people, though, there were those
of us, you were probably one. I was one that
were making fun of the NCAA because of that. Sure,
it's insane. The stadium's packed. The kid can't afford Petz
on a Tuesday, give me a break, Well now he can.
Oh yeah, he bought a Domino's chain. Ye, now they're
investing in Dumbino.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
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Speaker 1 (27:16):
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Speaker 2 (27:25):
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Speaker 3 (27:28):
Get our obligatory jets talk out of the way. Aaron
Rodgers got his first win as a Jet this season
in Week two, a lot closer than it should have
been against the Titans. A Rod, A Rod, a Rod,
whichever one you prefer, led a seventy four fourth quarter
touchdown drive to break the tie. They got a big
game Thursday against the Patriots. I'm not sided forty very
worried about this game.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Well, you are worried about this game because it's going
to be a low scoring game, and low scoring games,
a fumble can change the outcome. So I don't. I
think one of the things you touched on yesterday, which
is really a thing, and we need to give the
Jets credit in their front office, they went and found
a tremendous young number two running back and this team
is weapons light. Yeah, so if Mike Williams can come
(28:11):
back Garrett, Mikelizard and two capable backs, is it feels
much better now? Mike Williams injuries is part of his
it's part of his game. But finding a second especially
in the red zone, Kit can Murady pound the ball?
It's it's a thing. It's something.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Well, that's that's offense is the thing Rogers talked about
it yesterday. The offense has gotten off to two slow starts.
He wants again them to get off to a fast start.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
It doesn't really matter how close we are, and what
matters is what we did on the field. You know
that how close we are is great for coaches because
they can coach up all the saying. But you know
it'd be a boondoggle to keep doing the same thing
over and over and and expect different results.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
So you know, we.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Got to change a couple of things. We gotta be
a little sharper this. You know, we gotta start faster.
We've been I'm gonna starting really slow the first two weeks,
so we're gonna start fast to put them together in
the first fifteen and you have our defense chance to
play with the league.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
What's disturbing about that is your first fifteen plays should
be your strongest, because that is deception. You have looked
at film, broken down areas where you'll have an advantage
the element of surprise. They've been terrible as a first, second,
third drive team. And that's like a huge that points
(29:29):
to me a lack of creativity from the person designing
the plays.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
That part of that, yeah, part of that is they're
playing catch up in both games. Trailing the Niners, right,
trailing the Titans, they had to come back. So that's
why the numbers are. Excuse me, but you're right. They
need to get more aggressive out of the gate. I
will point out nothing on the Hassan Redick front is
shocking me so far. How is there no traction with
him when they lose Jermaine Johnson CJ. Mosley looks like
he's probably gonna miss with the injury. They need an
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impact defensive pass.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Mosley's a one of their better defensive players.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Got the young kids, Sherwood, who's going to step in
and listen? Patriots have run done one thing right the
last the first two weeks. Run the ball. They want
to run for one hundred and eighty five yards. That's
their goal. Stevenson hammer away, don't make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Brissett. Does Mosley call their defensive.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, I think he's the guy who I think he's.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Their defensive play caller. You know that's a thing. It's
not great.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Their front seven is gonna have to be tough. Hopefully
the noise at the in the Jets first home game
of the season bill rattle Brissett in the.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Pocket, so they'd be noisy in the off season and
at home Zing Zing.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Moving on to from my favorite team to your favorite quarterback.
Caleb Williams. Another tough starting Week two. Yeah, lost to
the Texans. So after the game, interesting clip here of
c J Stroud finding an advising Caleb on the field.
Now this went viral. Take a close look and listen.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yeahs, I'll take those Yeah, yeah, Look, Larflo's mistakes and
everything that you've got rote is very already held the
player in this league.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So yeah, Caleb didn't want to really listen to that.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Okay, So what's that about.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I don't know, I I I don't think Caleb was
in the mood to listen to c J. Stroud tell
him about football. He played a terrible or a bad game.
I know people said he was arrogant and he was
off putting, and I'm not going to debate it, but
I think people react differently. Like when they lose football games,
(31:29):
a lot of guys just want to get off the field.
Get that, especially when you're getting crushed by the Texans defense. Yeah,
I got destroyed. He probably wanted to get in the
locker room. It was national television. He was probably ticked off.
Nine times people may jump to big conclusions there, like
Caleb's arrogant, and there's a fine line between arrogance and
(31:52):
confidence if you straddle it, you know, So I don't know.
I mean sometimes I can see like it it's obvious.
I didn't think that was obvious, but people did say
he was like Caleb was not up for it. What
you're in.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Oh, I don't do many things great, but I think
I straddle that arrogant confident.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Life pretty well. I see right, I am pretty.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Good at that. But I'll tell you this. If I
walked out the set second week I was on this
show and somebody was trying to talk to me about
what to do, and I just kept walking away, you'd
be like, woof this MacIntire kid.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I don't know. So I can understand though you thought
Caleb was a little too cool for the room.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Listen, you played sports, you want to lose, you you
do want to get the hell out of there. But
it's c J Stroud, Like, this guy's done a lot.
You would love to be where CJ Stroud is. Right,
take ten seconds and listen to him. I'm not going
to crush Caleb. By the way. I like the Bears
this weekend at the Colts.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
You're on that.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I think they'll I think when teams feel they get
physically humiliated and Chicago got pushed around, they tend to.
These are pro athletes, They're prideful. I think Chicago will
play it great footed. They'll play as good a football
game as they can. I still think the cult are
pretty interesting to Forrest looks.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Like he's going on the ir So that's that's a
problems the defense has already get. They've been on the
field more than any other defense in the league. This
is a big one.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Here's the interesting thing. So Shane steiken has been money
with Hurtz and Justin Herbert. What if Anthony Richardson is
mad all year he threw three interceptions all in Packer's territory. No, no,
it was it was like it was bad. And Shane
Steikin has literally taken Herbert as a rookie right out
of Oregon, he broke NFL passing records for rookies. First
(33:32):
game had to play, he goes to Jalen Hurts, makes
him an MVP level player. If Anthony Richardson now with
two off seasons.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Well it's only been I think he started like six games.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
All right, I'm just saying I'm throwing it out there.
What if he stinks it up until Thanksgiving? I mean,
in this league, how patient can you be if Shane
Steikin can't. It's like the Niners with Trey Lance, Like
Shanahan's like he works with everybody. Yeah, he worked with Garoppolo,
got Garoppolo to Super Bowl. So I do look at
the Colts and I think if Stike and can't figure
(34:04):
this thing out, because last week Richardson was brutal.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, so okay, I'm glad you brought up Ssyke and
we both like him a lot, A brilliant guy. I
have Jonathan Taylor in fantasy. He was having a monster
game against the Packers Colin. He was benched in the
fourth quarter. This is being underplayed significantly. They had twenty
two offensive snaps in the fourth quarter. Jonathan Taylor was
not on the field for any of them. What on
earth is that about in a close game? Like Jonathan
(34:29):
Taylor is your best offensive weapon. No disrespect to Pittman.
What on earth was Styke and doing? Now he's kind
of been dodgy with the media. There's something going on
in India, don't. I don't know what to make of it,
but Colin, there's a great opportunity for the Bears to
get a dub on the road. I like them a lot.
This week, in the final story, the Dolphins officially placed
Tua on the ir He's gonna miss the next four weeks.
(34:51):
Skyler Thompson slated to start at lumen. Shit, well, the
line's gone from six to four and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, I like a little weird.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Devin mccordy, who is now in the media, floated an
interesting name for Miami to look at.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You know, we were early.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
We like Bryce Young, maybe Russell Wilson. Well, Devin McCarty
is saying, what about Mac Jones, saying Miami San Francisco.
A lot of teams have been thrown out as places
he could possibly at last season. I know Mac would
love to do the twenty twenty one draft over again.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
That's interesting. That's interesting. Played in the division before. It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
He knows Waddle from Alabama.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, yeah, interesting. I don't think that's terrible.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Mac Jones, I think buried on the depth chart in
Jacksonville is sitting behind Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
He's not gonna. That's not about at all.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Mac Jones or Bryce Young.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Mac Jones made a Pro Bowl. Mac Jones he had
Pro Bowl. I'm not sure Brice can play. Mac made
the pros send.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Coach when he made the Pro Bowl. By the way,
Oh yeah, you guy. Nobody wanted to.
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Speaker 1 (37:43):
Top of the hour. Mark Sanchez right off the top.
It's as good at twenty minutes as you're gonna get anywhere.
All the NFL stuff, he's breaking it down. So I
saw this story this morning. Rookie quarterbacks set a record
was zero touchdown passes on one hundred and ninety six
combined attempts so far this year. So, first of all,
everybody's quarterback journey is different. Mahomes was considered a Big
(38:06):
twelve system quarterback and went to Texas Tech. Nobody quite
knew what you were getting. Josh Allen did not get
a single Division one offer out of high school. Aaron
Rodgers went to a junior college. Kyler Murray was going
to be a baseball player. Jordan Love got one offer
Utah State. Brady sixth round, Joe Montana third round, back
fourth round, brought Purty. Last guy pick you don't know,
(38:29):
so Jaden Daniels, Boenicks, and Caleb Williams. First of all,
they all transferred. They were the first quarterback class that
came into the league had having been paid a lot
of money in college. There's a lot of stuff going
on here. It's an incredibly inexact science and what increasingly
is happening, And I believe it's because now the owners
are all billionaires, some ten twelve to fifteen billion dollars
(38:52):
were firing coaches and coordinators sooner were much less patient patient.
So these quarterbacks are asked to player and we're giving
them less time for turbulence or we just move on.
I think it's really really hard. It's a very impatient,
demanding process. And it all looks bumpy. It's got a
TikTok feel to it. People are swiping within three seconds
(39:14):
if you don't pay off. And so I mean, let's
be honest about Chicago. Did we all expect the Chicago
to be smooth even when they had Jay Cutler, they
were making the playoffs with Mitch Trubisky, they had Rex Sexy,
Rex Grossman, Chicago Bears and offense has never been smooth.
So this thing was going to be bumpy.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
The offensive line, which I thought was pretty solid middle
of the pack solids, was completely it's regressed now. Some
of that is Caleb Williams. The protection has not been
very good. Caleb Williams getting frustrated. But Tom Brady was
on the show earlier. Maybe the winner of this thing
is Drake May and Michael Pennix because they get a
(39:55):
sit and watch. And Brady talked about Drake May and
rookie quarterbacks league on this show.
Speaker 9 (40:02):
I mean, I gone on record to say that I
think it's best, in my opinion, for young quarterbacks and
rookie quarterbacks to kind of watch a veteran do it.
There's so much that goes on and quarterbacks need to
process so much information so quickly. Ultimately, those young players
are going to get opportunities. The franchises need those young
(40:22):
quarterbacks to come in and take a big step and
lead that franchise on into the future. I'd just like
to give them a little bit of time to acclimate
themselves to the pro game, the pro schedule. And it's
a big difference between college football and professional football.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, you go from like twelve games to seventeen or more.
It's much more demanding. You know, everybody's older in the
locker room. And here's the other thing that doesn't get
discussed A lot. A lot of these quarterbacks come from schools.
I mean, if you go from Utah State to Matt Lafleur,
that's a completely different level of sophistication to be a quarterback.
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Very rarely do you get a kid that comes out
of a sophisticated college offense like Kyler Murray and Baker
Mayfield come out of Lincoln Riley's offense. Well, that's a
pretty demanding offense. I've been told this by GMS that
like Baker Mayfield went to the whiteboard and they were
blown away. Sam Darnold at a USC's offense went to
the whiteboard and they're like, it's basically hero ball at
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USC and that coaching staff. So, I mean, I think
there's so many different things that especially when you're an
improvisational quarterback like a Mahomes a Lamar Jackson, those guys
got to sit for a while because the NFL's got
a lot of structure. And let's be honest, if you're
a great improvisational athlete in high school and college, you
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could just take off if the number one receiver wasn't open,
and you're just a better athlete than the linebacker and
the safety trying to Tasha, It's it's totally different, totally
different in the NFL, So this stuff is hard. Everybody's
got a different path. The Bears make it tougher, the
Packers make it easier. I mean, look at Malik Willis
last weeks. He looked like he could not play. Green
(42:02):
Bay are like, oh, that's that's probably a starter of
this league. It all matters. Mark Sanchez next,
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome in our two in a Wednesday Joel Klatt five
minutes live in Los Angeles. HiT's the Herd wherever you
may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. I'm letting my hair grow
a little longer these days. I'm not sure what's going on,
but I'm just I'm gonna I'm gonna cut it. I
think tomorrow it's getting a little shaggy out there. But
(00:47):
I like how it feels. Last night, by the way,
temperature's cooled. I sat there, it was, sat on my deck.
It's a the art half a c agard.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh jeez, you're addicted.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Cocktail cigar. Sat up there for two hours just looking
at southern California. How beautiful it was.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I went back to an old vice colin. I hate
to report this, would you do. I had a cup
of coffee this morning, first time in four months. Wow,
I'm not sleeping well. A lot going on up here,
a lot happening with the gambling. There's just a lot
of good things happening in life right now. Yeah, and
I just I'm excited. I'm fired up.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And so you can't sleep right, So you're a little
groggy this morning. Yes, Well it's Wednesday. You can be growny.
You can be groggy on Wednesday. Was it Tuesday? No,
it's Wednesday. You got to be ready on Saturday. That's
all I know. Jerry Jones was on his local radio
hit and he was talking about Mike McCarthy. McCarthy keeps
winning twelve games and then struggling in January, February, all
(01:49):
that stuff. Here's Jerry Jones this week talking about it.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
The NFL is one that you can lose several games
and if you're playing well at the end of the year,
you can win the Super Bowl. And so that's just.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
What we've got.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
If we've got any arbitross around our neck is that
we've been a good, good to very good team during
the season over the last four or five years with
mine and we haven't done well in the playoff. So
let's trade some challenges during the season for doing well
in the playoff. If you want to look at it
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that one.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well, except there's one big difference. Jerry's making that sound incidental. Well,
I mean, we're really good here and we're pretty good here,
and then we're not good there. That's because really good
teams win Super Bowls, not just good teams and el
it's a good team. Half these ninety percent of these
players that they've played in Jacksonville, you would know who
they are. We'd never talk back VI's in Jacksonville. We
(02:51):
talked CD Lamb. But there's like thirty great receivers in
the league. If you look at the last five Super Bowls,
here are the teams that have been in them. Mahomes,
San Francisco Stack Roster Eagles, Jalen Hurt, Stack Roster, Brady Bucks,
Rams McVay, Stafford Burrow Bengals. You know what you see,
A plus coaches, mostly A plus quarterbacks, or or if
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the coach isn't an a plus, we don't know. Zach Taylor.
You've got depth on offense, multiple players of Joe Mixon
and Jamar Chase te Higgins, a good tight end. You've
got all time defensive lineman. The Cowboys ceiling, let's be
honest about it. B plus coach and a B plus
quarterback and not a lot of offensive depth price C minus
offensive depth. So that's what they are. And even by
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the way, Micah Parsons I like, but he has disappeared
in playoff games. He's disappeared in big games. You know
who never did, Chris Jones, Kansas City, Aaron Donald, Trey Hendrickson,
Nick Bosa. They don't disappear. So to me, the Cowboys
have one truly great player, Ceedee Lamb. It doesn't matter
if it's a playoff game, it's an opening game, it's
a rival game, it's a road game, home game, cold war,
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doesn't matter. Ceedee Lamb is great. Great. Micah is consistently
very good and matchup dependent. He faces Trent Williams, he'll
get swallowed up. He faced the great left tackle. Either side,
you're not gonna hear much from Micah.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I said.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Adrian Hutchison is his comp and I think Hutchison popped
this year. He's better. So it's basically they're a BT
plus student trying to get to Harvard because that's what
the super Bowl is. So it's not a knock on Dallas.
It's a reality. Jerry's saying, well, we're pretty good here
and we don't do good in January. That's because pretty
good doesn't get to play in February. That's the way
it works. It's a McVeigh, it's a Stafford, it's a Mahomes,
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it's an Andy Reid, it's a Joe Burrow. That's the
way it works. And with that, the voice of college
football for Fox, Joel Klatt, is now joining us live
on The Herd by the way, the Big Game this weekend.
I just had Lincoln Riley on Ohio State Marvel, Okay, whatever,
we'll get to that second. They are called the Herd,
by the way, stole it from That's right. Did they
steal that from you?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Who wouldn't. So here's the thing is that when when
all these Pac twelve teams join the Big Ten? You
heard love this, well, it gets cold out here. Yeah,
I'll just tell you all the former Pac twelve teams
this year have been really good. USC has been exceptional
and I like USC, and I don't think I'm being
(05:17):
a homer. Their first Big Ten game they feel like
a more complete team. I think you're generalizing. UCLA has
not been good at all. They've been bad. Washington got
beat by Washington State and Idaho almost beat Oregon. So no,
all the Pac twelve teams that moved to the Big
ten have not been great. But that's okay. I understand
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why you feel that way because you're a USC homer,
and so if USC is doing well, that means like
the entire West Coast is doing well. They are pretty good.
They're carrying the West Coast, which is fine, and they
are doing well. So to your point, yes, USC needed
to answer for me one specific question. Could you play
average defense? Because I thought average defense would make them
(05:57):
a pretty good football team. Yeah, it's better than average.
Danton Lynn, their new defensive coordinator, has come in and
made that a strength of theirs. I thought that USC
had far too many defenders that were in one on
one situations in space in previous years, not just like
trying to defend, but trying to tackle in space one
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on one. What you see from this structure of defense
is a very different style of defense. This is the
Baltimore Ravens style of defense. So Danton Lynn cut his
teeth under that Baltimore Ravens staff. So he was in
the room with Jesse Mintor and Mike McDonald when they
were all learning this defense. Okay, so he goes off
onto his own and what this defense does in its
structure and why it's been so successful, wildly successful everywhere
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it's been by the way Baltimore's plays great defense. Michigan
had the best defense in college football last year Seattle's
two to zero. You look at what the Chargers have
done defensively, like there are already really good under Jesse Minterter.
Here's what it does. Leverages the football well. And what
they do is they forced teams to drive eight, nine,
ten to eleven plays versus. This is creating big plays
because they don't expose their their players to one on
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one situations. They build a run wall up front with
their interior defensive line, they have hard edges on the outside,
and then they leverage the football with their structure of
defense in the secondary in order to have hybrid athletes
go and pinch the football and leverage the football. So
what does that mean, Colin. That means that they don't
have as many one on one situations in space where
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one guy has to make the tackle. That's what killed
decimated USC in previous years, and now you don't find
that as much. I think what's interesting for me about
this game specifically, and I know maybe defensive football isn't
like sexy for you to talk about, but I love
that type of leverage. Like USC was last great when
they hit people Pete Carroll well and their defenses were
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some of the better defenses in the country. In fact,
the reason they lost to Texas is that that defense
in five wasn't up to park. They was missing two
corners and we digress. Now this team faces a Michigan
team that is in full identity crisis. They're changing the
quarterback and it's not just like one for another, it's
an entire philosophy for another. Yeah, they don't tell what
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they are. What Davis Warren provides is vastly different than
what Alex Orgy provides at quarterback in terms of what
their skill set is and what the offense's philosophy will
likely be when they're in at quarterback. I don't envy
Danton Lynn and USC because they're going into this and
it's basically an opener. It's like, well, what are we
going to see from Michigan offensively, probably a lot of run.
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And if I'm Michigan, guess what I'm gonna do, probably
run it fifty or fifty five times.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I want to shorten the game, keep Lincoln's offense off
the field, and I want to put Alex Orgy in
the best possible situation to succeed. Why not test the
USC defense in terms of their physicality. Okay, so I've
said this generally when I the eyeball test in the
NFL doesn't mean anything because everybody's big and fast. I
(09:00):
kind of watch quarterback play. Yeah, the margin is not
that far in the NFL. Nobody looks assume you know,
there were there have been some teams. Steeler teams years
ago felt bigger and stronger, but Raven teams always had
that sort of linebackers were bigger than everybody else's. So
at the NFL level, I watched a lot of quarterback
play and coaching. At the college level, I look at bodies.
Texas looks like the number one team in the country.
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They now are. I think that offensive line, I think
it's it's the get out of jail free card. I
think it's the Classic. We're not playing well today, Let's
just run it behind them. Because, by the way I
watched Georgia play Kentucky, every good team is a stinker everybody.
You can't ask kids who are nineteen years old give
me thirteen great weeks. That old line is just going
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to carry you through bad saturdays. So line play is
more important in college than it is NFL, because in
the NFL, it's it's it's more similar across every team. Yeah,
and so quarterback play in the NFL level is just like,
oh my gosh, everything, it's everything in college, what do
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we see win the national championship? If quarterbacks win Super Bowls,
line play wins national championship. The SEC has been so
great for twenty years, that's exactly right. Georgia was dominant
for the last couple of years. Michigan was dominant last year.
Where line of scrimmage all sides of the ball, defensive
and offensive. And when you see teams struggle early in
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the year, that's the first place to point. Do you
know that, Like Oregon had shuffled their offensive line around
and worked awful, they were awful, and then all of
a sudden they find the right combination of what happens.
They look great. Why they figured out their offensive line play.
They rotated guards and switched it around, and they found
the combination that works. Georgia struggled because of the injury
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to their guard. Their guard is probably the best guard
in the country, is a first round pick. He gets
hurt and he's going to be out about six weeks.
That's a problem for Georgia. They got pushed around by
he's front or in the first half. I think losing
I believe it's a gosh, I'm blanking on his name
rat lift for something along those lines. Anyways, they lose
this guard with their schedule, that's concerning to me, all
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of a sudden. A loss or two is certainly in
the equation for Georgia because they're going to be struggling
in terms of an offensive line combination. Guess who's not
struggling with an offensive line combination, Texas. That's why they
look so good. How can two quarterbacks look as dominant. Yeah,
they're bowl skilled yours in arch Manning. They're playing behind
an offensive line that isn't a dominant offensive line. These guys,
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four of them, have played for the better part of
three years. I remember when they started as freshman. Calvin
Banks has started for like a million years, and he's
probably going to be the first tackle taken or one
of them. But it's not a good tackle year in
the draft, so he'll be the first guy taken or
or one of them. Let me tell this that you
I do not believe in controversy. Clickbait is my enemy,
is it? But arch Manning arch man five quinn Ewers.
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I'd be like, arch Manning's pretty tasty, but you don't.
You don't pedal in controversy. Morally, I'm against it. Are
you that's fast? My value system is above it. But
arch Manning looks good. He does. He looks good, art
looks great, I know he does. No big deal though,
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if you're winning and there's no controversy, that's exactly right.
It's almost like this is embarrassment of riches. Yeah, it's
like this is a great problem backup quarterback in college
football history, without question, without question. I think what was
surprising was that he ran as fast as he I know,
it's like seeing that number and name on the back run,
you know, I almost hit twenty one miles an hour.
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Because they have GPS and twenty one miles an hour
is like fast fast, you know, like I couldn't hit
twenty one miles an hour on a bike. That guy
is just rolling out. Never forget this the lineage Archie
Manning could run. He could, Elion Eli and everybody else could.
Peyton could only run fast if be like lean that
big head forward and it was like, well, he's you
got to fit all that football somewhere. The one guy
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in the field. I will say this about arch arch
gives Texas the opportunity to just be patient with Quinn.
Yours you don't have to rush him back. And now
it also allows you to be more aggressive when yours
comes back. Yours can play a little bit more free
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than if you have a situation where you don't have
a backup. Let me give you an example really quickly.
A few years ago, Ohio State had justin Fields, and
they were reluctant to let Fields run even though that
was such a threat for him, because they didn't have
a backup. Heber at Oregon, Herbert at Oregon, McCarthy at Michigan,
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and it's the same type of deal. So they were
always playing with like a percentage of their offense because
of the depth issue at quarterback. Texas doesn't have that.
Now you're gonna get the the entirety of the offense
in its fullest because they've got depth everywhere. They've got
depth of wide receiver, they've got depth of offensive line,
and now obviously proven out to have depth a quarterback. Okay,
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let's talk. Last week, I did something on my show.
It got a lot of reaction. Was it controversial? I'm
against it morally, but I did think this needed to
be addressed. After nine years as the fake idea of
college football, Iowa graduated, got a nice job in an
accounting firm in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. So I named
Colorado is the new fake idea of college football. And
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I said, at least Iowa could handle their beer. I mean,
Colorado was like barfing on their shoes after half of margarita.
I will say last week, it's a win, it's a rival,
but it is a little noisy for my taste. I
mean a lot of the noise comes from outside. A
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lot of the noises. How about you shake hands with
the team you just beat. Yeah, I mean, hey, how
about if you're the opposing quarterback, you don't run your
mouth as to the extent that that Braden Fowler Nicolosi
ran his mouth and then couldn't back it up on
the field. And by the way, if you just run
the video a little bit, you're gonna see Shidor Sanders
shake everybody else's hands. He WAPs up everybody from CSU
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except for this clown that ran his mouth about how
good he was. That's a little hard. I mean, he
goes to CSU whatever, So, you know, I mean, I
don't know what to tell you. Yeah, it's this team
does show a little bit more than they did last year.
What do you mean shows more? What do you mean?
What was that mean? I was very critical of Colorado
early in the season because I thought, man, nothing's nothing changed.
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They've got this great quarterback and Travis Hunter, who's, by
the way, fabulous. You know, honestly, he should be the
first player picked in the drafts, the best player, the
best player I've seen. He probably should if you were
voting for the Heisman Trophy, you'd probably have to vote him. Now.
He's a great play. He is a great player. Okay,
So you have these like elite players and I thought, man,
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they haven't showed anything else, though, you know, the defense
is still suspect and so on and so forth, and
yet I'm starting you're starting to see a little bit
of growth in areas outside of Shdoor Sanders and Travis Hunter.
The run game all of a sudden, a little bit better,
a little bit more, sustained over five yards per carry
in their last game, and they haven't. They've given up
nine points in their last six quarters on defense. Ye
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that includes the Nebraska game. So all of a sudden,
now this defense is starting to improve. And now you've
got this two weeks and folks, I'll just put it
to you this way, rather than make proclamations of what
they will be or won't be, or d on this
or shudor that, Colorado season is going to be defined
for them in their performances in the next two weeks.
They've got Baylor at home and UCF on the road.
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If they win both of those two games, they're in
upper echelon, upper tier Big twelve team competing for a
right to go to the Big twelve title game. If
they don't, then they're, as you said, probably the fake ID.
Even though you're you're reusing the bit. I mean, you
could probably find another bit. The fake id thing was
was Iowa's Listen. Isn't that a bit of a slab
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in the face to them? No? I think I think
they tired of it. They were tired of it. They
were celebrating my pivot. Okay, Clatt's top ten Texas. I
don't disagree with any of this, but I but I'll
push back a little. So Clatt's top ten, uh, you know,
for a radio audience. Texas, Ohio State, Miami, Tennessee, Georgia, Bama,
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US E Old Miss, Penn State, Oregon. I think Oregon.
I'm not quite sure it's going to give them that
much love. But whatever, time out, do you like Miami
or do you just like cam Ward? And if that's
the latter's the answer, I'm okay with it. I don't
trust Miami situation. I just like cam Ward same. I
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love cam Ward, Yeah, everybody does. I don't know if
I trust their coach yet, because of the mistakes that
he's made historically in terms of game management. Has not
a personal coach, not a close game, that's game management issues.
I do trust them actually at the line of scrimmage, though,
you know, they have shown the ability to win in upfront,
and as I pointed out earlier, I think that's really
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where college football is is at the line of scrimmage.
And so I think that they're not only the ACC favorite,
but he to me Ward, speaking of cam Ward, he
makes them an elite college football team. I'll be pretty
surprised if they don't win the ACC. I'll be pretty
surprised if they're not a top four seed in the
College Football Playoff. And then I know that I moved
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Georgia all the way down, But listen, I watched. I
watched that they got pushed around up front. Y they did.
And I'm just throwing this out there, and I'm not
saying that Georgia is worse or not gonna do this
or that with the issues on the offensive line. By
the way, Carson Beck has a slight ac joint sprain
in his left non throwing shoulder, and look good if
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you get some of these injuries, folks, they have one
of the most difficult schedules in the George is not
going undefeated, no, not having And now if you start
to mess with the offensive line, you can see maybe
a second or third loss creep up. Meanwhile, meanwile just
point this out Ole, miss and Missouri have two of
the easier schedules in the SEC, so there is there
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is a plausible path to Georgia not representing well either
not being in the SEC championship game. We don't talk
a lot of Ohio State because we know they're going
to be good and they haven't really played anybody. They
haven't played anybody. I like Will Howard, Well, here's kind
of with Ohio State'll we'll talk about them when it matters. Sure,
(19:28):
I think what happens I'm gonna tell you about the
anti USC bias that happens in America is that people,
because it's LA and everybody's always banging on lay, they
don't want to acknowledge how good USC is. If USC,
outside of Texas and Ohio State played anybody, they'd win.
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I don't know about that. Lincoln Riley, Mario, Christopher Alabama.
I think I think Alabama's Do you think they could
beat Tennessee? Tennessee's scoring offense in the country, the best
rushing team in the country. Hey, listen, I just appreciate
you had the conviction to get rid of one A,
one B, one C. Like last week, I was trying
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to present a clear tier hierarchy. If you will, you know,
that'd be the Herd hierarchy. I don't know about that.
With the USC. If they win this week at Michigan,
pending how the game goes, we will have a direct
comparison through common opponent to what Texas did at the
same location. So we're going to know exactly what USC
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is compared with the team that we think is the
best in college football at the end of this weekend.
Is Will Howard a pro quarterback? Just asking because I
watched him early and I thought, God, he moves well,
he throws. But a lot of guys in college I
mean a lot of us get a chance. I mean
even I got a chance, did you. Yeah? What happened?
I got signed with New Orleans and didn't work out.
Then Detroit didn't work out. Really, yeah, you never told
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me that. Yeah, So a real quick story about New Orleans.
So this is right after Katrina. Sean Payton gets the job,
They signed Drew Breese, draft Reggie Bush. So I go
in for rookie mini camp, no contract, so I'm just
an undrafted free agent. Sean Payton and everybody there, Yeah,
Sean Payton, Marcus Coulston. These guys my cast was actually
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their second round wide receiver and Colson was like the
seventh round wide receiver. So I'm sitting there throwing one
on one routes and routes on air. It was one
of our first drills in rookie mini camp down in
New Orleans, and Sean was standing behind me and he
starts telling me, hey, throw it to that guy, like, hi, okay,
now throw it to his back shoulder, all right, now,
stretch him out. And I thought he was like, hey man,
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this kid's accurate. No. No, he was gushing over Marcus Coulson,
who was this low round pick that they had gotten
it. It was his first time to see him on the
practice field, and I'm throwing these passes to Marcus Colston.
Reggie was there. I was with Reggie in his first
rookie mini camp, which another quick funny story about that,
and I've told Reggie this story. We go on the
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flight I'm leaving from Denver. He's connecting in Denver and
then going to New Orleans. So he connects from LA
and so we're on the same flight from LA or
excuse me, from Denver down to New Orleans. He's in
first class. I'm in like thirty seven E right, And
we get off the plane and we go down to
the baggage to get our bags, and I'm just kind
of like in a jumpsuit, you know, like traveling in
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kind of athletic gear. And he kind of realizes that,
like we're together and there's a couple of gas that
are there to pick us up. He thinks that I'm
just like a ga. So he rolls me his bag
off of the baggage clane and I'm like, this is Reggie,
you know. I'm like Reggie's at this point, like I'm
massive start just on the Heisman Trophy, like he's the
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biggest star in college football, and then in the draft
and all this stuff. And so I have this thought,
I'm like, am I gonna tell him that I'm also
a player? Or am I just going to carry his bag?
And I thought, I'm just going to carry his bag.
So I just rolled both of our bags out to
the the bus and I threw him on the little
like sprinter van that we were using, and then I
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got in the back with him, and he was kind
of like looking at me, like, well, why isn't he
upfront with the rest of the schlepgas and then he
finally realizes it and he tried to He was like, hey, man,
I'm sorry for rolling you in my bag. I'm like,
no problem. Do you want me to get it when
we get off to By the way, the NCAA accused
him of getting a few bags rolled to him at college,
but that was all untrue. It was a grievance and outrageous.
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Now it's legal in IL and that's funny. That's why.
By the way, I watched that Connor Stallions the if
you'd not seen the Connor Stallions Netflix documentary, yeah, the
doc even handed. I would hire Connor Stallions in two minutes.
It's fantastic. Well, you know Neam Montalolo, the Navy coach. Yes,
so Connor's first job was for Navy. Yeah, and coach
(23:50):
Neiam Montalolo guess what his his first task was, first
task to cipher signs and he's like, okay, we go.
Connor Stallions went into the office and the coach says,
what do you do? And he said, he goes, can
you decipher signs for us? Sure? And Netflix very fairly.
I think Dan Wetzel was the reporter, Michigan was miles
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behind with Harbaugh in doing that, so they had to
find somebody who could kind of do it, I think,
and the other you know, the ANSI source subject. I mean,
you bring this up. I mean people are saying with
their struggles, it's like it was all the signs stealing,
and they totally throw out the last half of last
season where they beat all of those ranked teams without stallions,
without the operation, and they beat them worse. It's like,
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are they stealing signs on fourth down against Bama and
the Rose Bowls? Get out of here. It's the same
Colts fans who say to flate Gate, they tracked Brady
sixteen games after the flate Gate was the most efficient
he'd been. Like, Tom's good, Michigan was good. They had
a zillion NFL guys. You cheaters. Okay, but that's why
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I can't be outraged by Connor Stallions. The worst thing
you could do in college football My entire life was
pay a high schooler. Now they're bidding wars. Yeah, it
would be Seriously, It's like me getting outraged by jaywalking.
It's like, yeah, everybody's doing it. I guess they were
a little bit out of the crosswalk at Michigan. But
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that Netflix documentary not to tell you to go to
streaming on Connor Stallion's is must watch. Thought I thought
it was a great documentary. I mean, listen, they they
broke the rules, and I think they should be punished
accordingly and have been. I mean they had to play. Well,
you get a ticket for jaywalking. Go there you go.
You and I agree, But to act like sign stealing
is some somehow the biggest issue in the outcome of
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all of these games is just naive. And for the record,
for the record, not only does Netflix tell you that
people everybody has somebody on the staff doing it, but
what they also told you is something I heard years
ago from coaches. There's a subculture, so like Connor Stallions
will get calls from the Indiana guys. So there's this
subculture of sign stealing where people are sharing information. It's
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like Wall Street. Well, there's there's at least rumblings that
TCU had help in the playoff game against Michigan. Correct, Yeah,
which is like, that's that's what it is. I'm I
don't know, I I digress. That's that's what we could do.
(26:23):
A whole hour on this subject. Yeah, I just it's
it's when you're paying, when you're having bidding wars for
high school players, settled down on sign stealings, deciding games.
You know what I was reminded of. Do you remember
Aj Green? Of course he got suspended for like like
the first half of the season for selling his bowl jersey.
(26:45):
How ridiculous. No, but the people, though, there were those
of us, you were probably one. I was one that
were making fun of the NCAA because of that. Sure,
it's insane. The stadium's packed. The kid can't afford Petz
on a Tuesday, give me a break, Well now he can.
Oh yeah, he bought a Domino's chain. Ye, now they're
investing in Dumbino.
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Speaker 2 (27:25):
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Speaker 3 (27:28):
Get our obligatory jets talk out of the way. Aaron
Rodgers got his first win as a Jet this season
in Week two, a lot closer than it should have
been against the Titans. A Rod, A Rod, a Rod,
whichever one you prefer, led a seventy four fourth quarter
touchdown drive to break the tie. They got a big
game Thursday against the Patriots. I'm not sided forty very
worried about this game.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Well, you are worried about this game because it's going
to be a low scoring game, and low scoring games,
a fumble can change the outcome. So I don't. I
think one of the things you touched on yesterday, which
is really a thing, and we need to give the
Jets credit in their front office, they went and found
a tremendous young number two running back and this team
is weapons light. Yeah, so if Mike Williams can come
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back Garrett, Mikelizard and two capable backs, is it feels
much better now? Mike Williams injuries is part of his
it's part of his game. But finding a second especially
in the red zone, Kit can Murady pound the ball?
It's it's a thing. It's something.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Well, that's that's offense is the thing Rogers talked about
it yesterday. The offense has gotten off to two slow starts.
He wants again them to get off to a fast start.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
It doesn't really matter how close we are, and what
matters is what we did on the field. You know
that how close we are is great for coaches because
they can coach up all the saying. But you know
it'd be a boondoggle to keep doing the same thing
over and over and and expect different results.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
So you know, we.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Got to change a couple of things. We gotta be
a little sharper this. You know, we gotta start faster.
We've been I'm gonna starting really slow the first two weeks,
so we're gonna start fast to put them together in
the first fifteen and you have our defense chance to
play with the league.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
What's disturbing about that is your first fifteen plays should
be your strongest, because that is deception. You have looked
at film, broken down areas where you'll have an advantage
the element of surprise. They've been terrible as a first, second,
third drive team. And that's like a huge that points
(29:29):
to me a lack of creativity from the person designing
the plays.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
That part of that, yeah, part of that is they're
playing catch up in both games. Trailing the Niners, right,
trailing the Titans, they had to come back. So that's
why the numbers are. Excuse me, but you're right. They
need to get more aggressive out of the gate. I
will point out nothing on the Hassan Redick front is
shocking me so far. How is there no traction with
him when they lose Jermaine Johnson CJ. Mosley looks like
he's probably gonna miss with the injury. They need an
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impact defensive pass.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Mosley's a one of their better defensive players.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Got the young kids, Sherwood, who's going to step in
and listen? Patriots have run done one thing right the
last the first two weeks. Run the ball. They want
to run for one hundred and eighty five yards. That's
their goal. Stevenson hammer away, don't make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Brissett. Does Mosley call their defensive.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, I think he's the guy who I think he's.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Their defensive play caller. You know that's a thing. It's
not great.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Their front seven is gonna have to be tough. Hopefully
the noise at the in the Jets first home game
of the season bill rattle Brissett in the.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Pocket, so they'd be noisy in the off season and
at home Zing Zing.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Moving on to from my favorite team to your favorite quarterback.
Caleb Williams. Another tough starting Week two. Yeah, lost to
the Texans. So after the game, interesting clip here of
c J Stroud finding an advising Caleb on the field.
Now this went viral. Take a close look and listen.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yeahs, I'll take those Yeah, yeah, Look, Larflo's mistakes and
everything that you've got rote is very already held the
player in this league.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So yeah, Caleb didn't want to really listen to that.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Okay, So what's that about.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I don't know, I I I don't think Caleb was
in the mood to listen to c J. Stroud tell
him about football. He played a terrible or a bad game.
I know people said he was arrogant and he was
off putting, and I'm not going to debate it, but
I think people react differently. Like when they lose football games,
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a lot of guys just want to get off the field.
Get that, especially when you're getting crushed by the Texans defense. Yeah,
I got destroyed. He probably wanted to get in the
locker room. It was national television. He was probably ticked off.
Nine times people may jump to big conclusions there, like
Caleb's arrogant, and there's a fine line between arrogance and
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confidence if you straddle it, you know, So I don't know.
I mean sometimes I can see like it it's obvious.
I didn't think that was obvious, but people did say
he was like Caleb was not up for it. What
you're in.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Oh, I don't do many things great, but I think
I straddle that arrogant confident.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Life pretty well. I see right, I am pretty.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Good at that. But I'll tell you this. If I
walked out the set second week I was on this
show and somebody was trying to talk to me about
what to do, and I just kept walking away, you'd
be like, woof this MacIntire kid.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I don't know. So I can understand though you thought
Caleb was a little too cool for the room.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Listen, you played sports, you want to lose, you you
do want to get the hell out of there. But
it's c J Stroud, Like, this guy's done a lot.
You would love to be where CJ Stroud is. Right,
take ten seconds and listen to him. I'm not going
to crush Caleb. By the way. I like the Bears
this weekend at the Colts.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
You're on that.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I think they'll I think when teams feel they get
physically humiliated and Chicago got pushed around, they tend to.
These are pro athletes, They're prideful. I think Chicago will
play it great footed. They'll play as good a football
game as they can. I still think the cult are
pretty interesting to Forrest looks.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Like he's going on the ir So that's that's a
problems the defense has already get. They've been on the
field more than any other defense in the league. This
is a big one.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Here's the interesting thing. So Shane steiken has been money
with Hurtz and Justin Herbert. What if Anthony Richardson is
mad all year he threw three interceptions all in Packer's territory. No, no,
it was it was like it was bad. And Shane
Steikin has literally taken Herbert as a rookie right out
of Oregon, he broke NFL passing records for rookies. First
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game had to play, he goes to Jalen Hurts, makes
him an MVP level player. If Anthony Richardson now with
two off seasons.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Well it's only been I think he started like six games.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
All right, I'm just saying I'm throwing it out there.
What if he stinks it up until Thanksgiving? I mean,
in this league, how patient can you be if Shane
Steikin can't. It's like the Niners with Trey Lance, Like
Shanahan's like he works with everybody. Yeah, he worked with Garoppolo,
got Garoppolo to Super Bowl. So I do look at
the Colts and I think if Stike and can't figure
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this thing out, because last week Richardson was brutal.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, so okay, I'm glad you brought up Ssyke and
we both like him a lot, A brilliant guy. I
have Jonathan Taylor in fantasy. He was having a monster
game against the Packers Colin. He was benched in the
fourth quarter. This is being underplayed significantly. They had twenty
two offensive snaps in the fourth quarter. Jonathan Taylor was
not on the field for any of them. What on
earth is that about in a close game? Like Jonathan
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Taylor is your best offensive weapon. No disrespect to Pittman.
What on earth was Styke and doing? Now he's kind
of been dodgy with the media. There's something going on
in India, don't. I don't know what to make of it,
but Colin, there's a great opportunity for the Bears to
get a dub on the road. I like them a lot.
This week, in the final story, the Dolphins officially placed
Tua on the ir He's gonna miss the next four weeks.
(34:51):
Skyler Thompson slated to start at lumen. Shit, well, the
line's gone from six to four and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, I like a little weird.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Devin mccordy, who is now in the media, floated an
interesting name for Miami to look at.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You know, we were early.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
We like Bryce Young, maybe Russell Wilson. Well, Devin McCarty
is saying, what about Mac Jones, saying Miami San Francisco.
A lot of teams have been thrown out as places
he could possibly at last season. I know Mac would
love to do the twenty twenty one draft over again.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
That's interesting. That's interesting. Played in the division before. It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
He knows Waddle from Alabama.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, yeah, interesting. I don't think that's terrible.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Mac Jones, I think buried on the depth chart in
Jacksonville is sitting behind Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
He's not gonna. That's not about at all.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Mac Jones or Bryce Young.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Mac Jones made a Pro Bowl. Mac Jones he had
Pro Bowl. I'm not sure Brice can play. Mac made
the pros send.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Coach when he made the Pro Bowl. By the way,
Oh yeah, you guy. Nobody wanted to.
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Speaker 2 (36:45):
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be good at it because you've been over promising women
for years.
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Speaker 1 (37:43):
Top of the hour. Mark Sanchez right off the top.
It's as good at twenty minutes as you're gonna get anywhere.
All the NFL stuff, he's breaking it down. So I
saw this story this morning. Rookie quarterbacks set a record
was zero touchdown passes on one hundred and ninety six
combined attempts so far this year. So, first of all,
everybody's quarterback journey is different. Mahomes was considered a Big
(38:06):
twelve system quarterback and went to Texas Tech. Nobody quite
knew what you were getting. Josh Allen did not get
a single Division one offer out of high school. Aaron
Rodgers went to a junior college. Kyler Murray was going
to be a baseball player. Jordan Love got one offer
Utah State. Brady sixth round, Joe Montana third round, back
fourth round, brought Purty. Last guy pick you don't know,
(38:29):
so Jaden Daniels, Boenicks, and Caleb Williams. First of all,
they all transferred. They were the first quarterback class that
came into the league had having been paid a lot
of money in college. There's a lot of stuff going
on here. It's an incredibly inexact science and what increasingly
is happening, And I believe it's because now the owners
are all billionaires, some ten twelve to fifteen billion dollars
(38:52):
were firing coaches and coordinators sooner were much less patient patient.
So these quarterbacks are asked to player and we're giving
them less time for turbulence or we just move on.
I think it's really really hard. It's a very impatient,
demanding process. And it all looks bumpy. It's got a
TikTok feel to it. People are swiping within three seconds
(39:14):
if you don't pay off. And so I mean, let's
be honest about Chicago. Did we all expect the Chicago
to be smooth even when they had Jay Cutler, they
were making the playoffs with Mitch Trubisky, they had Rex Sexy,
Rex Grossman, Chicago Bears and offense has never been smooth.
So this thing was going to be bumpy.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
The offensive line, which I thought was pretty solid middle
of the pack solids, was completely it's regressed now. Some
of that is Caleb Williams. The protection has not been
very good. Caleb Williams getting frustrated. But Tom Brady was
on the show earlier. Maybe the winner of this thing
is Drake May and Michael Pennix because they get a
(39:55):
sit and watch. And Brady talked about Drake May and
rookie quarterbacks league on this show.
Speaker 9 (40:02):
I mean, I gone on record to say that I
think it's best, in my opinion, for young quarterbacks and
rookie quarterbacks to kind of watch a veteran do it.
There's so much that goes on and quarterbacks need to
process so much information so quickly. Ultimately, those young players
are going to get opportunities. The franchises need those young
(40:22):
quarterbacks to come in and take a big step and
lead that franchise on into the future. I'd just like
to give them a little bit of time to acclimate
themselves to the pro game, the pro schedule. And it's
a big difference between college football and professional football.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, you go from like twelve games to seventeen or more.
It's much more demanding. You know, everybody's older in the
locker room. And here's the other thing that doesn't get
discussed A lot. A lot of these quarterbacks come from schools.
I mean, if you go from Utah State to Matt Lafleur,
that's a completely different level of sophistication to be a quarterback.
(40:57):
Very rarely do you get a kid that comes out
of a sophisticated college offense like Kyler Murray and Baker
Mayfield come out of Lincoln Riley's offense. Well, that's a
pretty demanding offense. I've been told this by GMS that
like Baker Mayfield went to the whiteboard and they were
blown away. Sam Darnold at a USC's offense went to
the whiteboard and they're like, it's basically hero ball at
(41:19):
USC and that coaching staff. So, I mean, I think
there's so many different things that especially when you're an
improvisational quarterback like a Mahomes a Lamar Jackson, those guys
got to sit for a while because the NFL's got
a lot of structure. And let's be honest, if you're
a great improvisational athlete in high school and college, you
(41:39):
could just take off if the number one receiver wasn't open,
and you're just a better athlete than the linebacker and
the safety trying to Tasha, It's it's totally different, totally
different in the NFL, So this stuff is hard. Everybody's
got a different path. The Bears make it tougher, the
Packers make it easier. I mean, look at Malik Willis
last weeks. He looked like he could not play. Green
(42:02):
Bay are like, oh, that's that's probably a starter of
this league. It all matters. Mark Sanchez next,
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