May 23, 2025 • 43 mins
LeBron James isn't going any where any time soon
The Rockies are off to a horrible start
Doug talks to former Tampa Bay general manager Mark Dominik
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
On up, It's The Herd Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio App. Welcome, Welcome,
Welcome in. I got the bid heardline news for you.
A little bit more on the Tushbush still being allowed
guest who says, Hey, Tushbush cool play, not using it
because I'm just a man, new head coach in the NFL.
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We'll get to that. It's about twenty minutes plus. Uh.
Mike Malone, who he was kind of feeling himself a
little bit as uh doing some ESPN analysis, happened to
say that Shay Gildess Alexander should be the MVP. Now
he's backpedaling faster than Dione Euston. Back pedal is the
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best cornerback of all time. There's a lot to get to.
Mark Dominical join us. We'll ask him about brock Perty's
new contract in brock Perty saying he's a top ten
quarterback in the NFL. It's like brock Perty is a
is a radio producer or a TV segment producer. Hey,
I'm top ten quarterback in the NFL. You know everybody
loves their lists. Let me start with this though, So, technically,
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Lebron James has a player option. Right, a player option,
so he can not sign or opt out of his
player option, become a free agent and essentially pick where
he wants to go.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But Lebron James, at forty years old, well, his options
are conda limited. Nonetheless. Rich Paul, his agent, was on
the Rich Eisen Show and he asked about Lebron's upcoming
player option this offseason.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
I think they've been pins and needles for a while.
I think I don't know about that, though I wish
I had the answer, Rich, So you.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Don't have conversations with him about how much longer he wanted.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
To No, I don't have. I don't have conversations like that.
I just I go into each year like he's continued
to play. I never even like talk about that. I
don't talk about that.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Well, I mean, you are his agent and his best friend.
So Look, we can just cut to the brass tacks.
Lebron's not going anywhere. They just drafted his son, and
I'm sure he wants to leverage some of whatever farewell
tour he has to potentially draft his other son, Bryce
was gonna be a freshman Zona. I'm sure that's probably
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part of the weight on his mind. Right. Is this
the last year? Or do I wait another year and
make that the last year? And we could act like
a Lebron he could just walk away at any time.
But does anyone think that a guy who has gotten
and honestly earned as much attention as he as as
he's gotten, Like we can sit there and say a
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lot of these things are attention getting things, But I mean,
have we seen a guy play ass consistently well for
twenty years in the NBA? No? No, is he as
good as he used to be? No, But to those
of us who remember Kareem playing at forty, he was
much more of a shell of his former incredible self.
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So again, I'm not I'm not the guy that's sitting
there hating on Lebron telling you, oh my god, Lebron
wants attention, Like, look, when you've gotten this much attention
since you were sixteen years old, and you've lived up
to and probably exceeded anybody's reasonable expectations for what you
could do or how well you could do it, or
how long you could do it, how well you could
do it, You're gonna get a bunch of attention. And
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it's a really really hard lifestyle to get out of.
It just is. But but if honest, he's not going anywhere,
and he's not retiring without some sort of ceremonious retirement celebration.
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You know, I Kareem wants far less attention. Yet Kareem
did the whole tour after becoming the all time leading
scorer in the game. Lebron likes the attention, likes it again,
And you can sit there and go o, hey Lebron
or whatever like. No, I just don't know anybody who
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would just dispute that. It's not like he's pushing away
attention to his private life, to his off off court conversation. No,
he wants attention to that. So you know, he's got
his production company, that's his little baby. He makes makes
movies and does documentaries out of it. All great, all
that requires attention that hey, we have this here and
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you get that through lebron James getting attention. But I mean,
this is like a nonsensical question. You know, he's got
a player option because if he really, really really wanted
to win in LA, he would go, Hey, here's what
we'll do. Let's opt out of this, sign a minimal
deal or a small deal over a couple of years,
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and then let's go go to work and go get
me some guys that can play some defense. I don't
you know. And when he talked about when Rich talks
about the Lakers being on pins and needles, like, is
that is that what you need? Is that? Because that's
that's obviously leverage that why would you do this? You
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would only do it is if you want to have
some sort of power order the organization that you play for, right,
And he used and he wielded that power to get
them to draft Bronnie and play Ronnie way above the
level of his competency at the time which he was drafted.
And whether Bronnie becomes a full time NBA player and
a guy who's a reasonab rotation player is has actually
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nothing to do with the farce that took place last offseason.
Because last off season we were told there's all there
was multiple teams interested there weren't you know? You had
JJ Reddick in one of his first press conferences saying
he earned. He earned where he was drafted. He didn't. Again,
it doesn't mean that you can't draft a guy. You're
allowed to draft a guy and say, hey, you know,
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he went through a hard issue. He had a hard
first year at USC, but we see the futures being bright.
But sit there and go like, well he earned it,
like doing what? But nonetheless, that was all because Lebron
has power and he leveraged it, and he's like, look,
I don't want to leave LA, but I also want
to help raise my kid, coach my kids, see my
kid grow. You guys are going to draft him. He'll
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play some with us in some of the G League,
travel with him. It'll be awesome experience. And I'm sure
for Brounie it probably was outside of a lot of
the the yakking on it. And for Lebron too, right, Yeah,
some of that stuff you strikes close to home and
really hurt him. But when he zooms out, he's like,
I got to spend a whole year with my son
in and out of the NBA probably wants to do
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with Bryce. Whether Brice isn't even as good as Bronny,
so he has power. He's trying to leverage that power.
That's the only reason for doing it. Because at some
point you start talking about this stuff and guys just
rolling their eyes, like he's not going to retire without
a without a proper sendoff. The league wouldn't want him
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to do that either. And we can act like the
league is, well, it's like something nefarious from the league.
It's not. It's not. If the league could have done
with Jordan, they would have done it with Jordan. But
with Lebron. I mean, this is that they don't want
to kill the Golden Goose. They want him around as
long as possible. They just want to keep milking it.
And you can sit there and go like, I'm tired
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of Lebron. But if it comes out and Lebron says, hey,
this is my retirement tour, you're going and gobbling up
those tickets. You're gonna watch te a lot more because
it's Lebron. He's Haley's comment. It ain't coming around for
another eighty seven years. By the way, Jays, Dude, you
think people who are like under forty get the Haley's
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comment reference. I feel like that's a really dated our
age reference of Haley's comment, because Haley's comment hasn't been
around in like forty years and won't be around for
another forty years, And unless you were a kid or
adult lived through it, you have no idea what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
I think it's a I think it's a pretty tangible
reference for any any educated generation. But I guess that's
saying a lot. That's assuming that our kids are being educated.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I think you starry making it. Is there a
TikTok on Haley's comment? Is there an Instagram real on
Haley's comment?
Speaker 6 (08:47):
You'll get You'll get the first ten TikTok results will
be Haley was it? What's a what's Hilly Bieber? No,
the Haley is the wife of the Bills quarterback what's
your name? Seinfeld? Seenfeld? Ryan Smith? Here a big Marvel fan.
She was one of the Marvel characters Steinfeld, Seinfeld There
he got Selt go pass all the Hailey stein Carls.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, there's a lot of other Haley's. A matter of fact,
there is kind of a rush on Haley's that are
older teenagers, right, that's a that's a big name. Maybe
that came from our generation. And Haley's comment and saying, hey,
I kind of like this name, Haley, who is the
first to name their kid Aiden? Because I know fifteen
Aidens who are under twenty. I don't know anybody over
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twenty named Aiden. I just want to point that out.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Speaking of Bron thing one thing about this so was
a little less than a year ago, we all witnessed
that ruse, that circus where the Wakers tried to convince
the public that Brownie was a legitimate draft prospect. Sure,
and then they they drafted him and said that he
earned it, and then they you know, they signed, they
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gave him the guaranteed for a second round pick. You're
saying to me that Lebron would compel a historic franchise
like the Lakers to do something embarrassing like that and
lie to the public and then not come back after
one year. I mean, isn't doesn't he have doesn't he
does he owe the Lakers something for that massive favor
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of being able to play with his son and do
that thing where he invited the Griffies in and nobody cared.
But him, doesn't he owe the Lakers at least one
more season?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I mean, I think the answer in terms of reality
is yes. But in terms of Lebron does he think
he owes them that? I don't think the answer is yes.
I just don't. And and you know what, he might
have a little bit of a point, right because he
has he didn't play every game, but for forty years old,
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he game a game a lot, and he does compete
to win, and he is a gigantic name.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So does he.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Owe it to them? Of course he owes it to them.
But again you're looking at this as a non parent,
rational human being that hasn't had fame thrust upon them
and been told they could do no wrong like he went.
He had his show called The Shop, right, which was
the barber Shop, and he actually sued Nick Saban because
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they had a similar show, because he believed he invented
barbershop conversation being recorded, like what what do you think?
The essence of first take is what are we even
talking about? But when you live in a world where
everybody just says hey, whatever you say, King, it's really
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hard to tell if up is up and down is down,
and so yeah, if it's me. If my son, who's
not clearly qualified even close to as his son is,
Hey dude, we're gonna draft you in the second round
and give you a guaranteed contract, I'd be unbelievably grateful.
It's the type of thing that you do for a
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life long friend. Man, that's a real solid. I truly
appreciate it. If there's ever a way I can, I
can help you, you know, return the favor you just ask.
That's how normal reasonable relationships to It's not a quid
pro quo. You take care of me, I take care
of you. It's like, hey, that's a real solid. I
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appreciate it. I feel so close to the Lakers' organization.
That's just not what we've heard come out of Lebron
or come out of Rich Paul. An example, Hey, they're
on what do you say? They're on eggshells? Why are
they on eggshells? Like you'res agent, youre's best friend. They
did a ma solid like. Look, the Lakers are completely
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locked up with Lebron. They know everything he wants to do.
They've done right by him. He's going to do right
by them. They'll come to a mutual desistant but that's
not what you hear. It's not what you hear. You hear.
I don't know, then, wit on eggshells. He's got a
lot of options. No he doesn't. His option is come
back and play, figure out how he wants to play,
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how they can go and get you know, legit defenders
to go along with their best three players. We're all
offensive players. I don't think it's a championship makeup or
championship roster. And if he wants it to be his
last year, give him the heads up. It's his last
year so that the whole league can do the proper celebration.
And if you want to push back in a proper
celebration because Jordan didn't have one, just know that. Like, look,
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Lebron James, what was it, nine straight NBA finals, four titles.
He's in any conversations the greats of all time, and
he's done it for a long time. And I continue
to say this. If the worst thing that he's done
is forced the Lakers to draft Brownie and play him
and do that whole dog and pony show, that ain't
that bad. Most other superstars have done far worse, far worse,
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and especially off the court, There's never been a whisper
of anything. So I've Doug Golliban for Colin coming up
in the Herd. The NFL teams are ready for another season.
Are you ready for another season of the tush Push.
We'll get into that next in the Herd.
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What up Doug Alliban for Colin heard Fox Sports Radio
iHeartRadio app. Welcome in Happy Memorial Day weekend te It's
the unofficial beginning of summer. If you're going to the beach,
you're going to a lake, you're going to a mountain,
wherever you're going, drive safe, keep it tuned right here
to Fox Sports Radio. Mark Domond's going to join us
up coming probably about five minutes. Course. Mark was most
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notably the GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He's worked
his entire life in professional football. We'll get his thoughts
on rock Perti's new deal and and you know when,
when is it the you know what? Or get off
the pot for Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers, all
that up to come. But first let's get to Jason
Stewart with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
This is the headline.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
News, Doug. I need you to put your coaching cap on.
You got it on?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, I do. I coach got a coaching cap. My
coaching cap this year was a Dunce cap.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
But that's okay, ouch, WHOA. I like self deprecation. That
was a good one. So I need you to give
me the code here what Steve Kerr is actually saying.
So you know more about Jonathan Kaminga than I do.
I know he is a lottery pick. I don't know
if he was a swingman. I think he had a
couple of pretty good games when Steph Curry wasn't on
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the court in these playoffs. Well, the question is will
he be a Golden State Warrior moving forward. Steve Kerr
recently said this one, and I need you to tell
me what he really means by this. It's a tricky
one because Jonathan obviously is gifted and wants to play
a bigger role and wants to play more. And for me,
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we've been asked to win and right now, he's not
a guy I could say I'm going to play thirty
eight minutes with the roster that we have. What does
that tell you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
It means that if they're going to move him to somewhere,
he thinks he can start and play. But kind of
a lot like Kyle Kuzma, right, Like Kyle Kuzma was
the starter on the worst team in the NBA, and
the Wizards, you know, put him on one of the
best teams in the NBA, and suddenly he comes out
the bench. It's a different role. So you know, obviously
he wasn't in their rotation consistently. It's got to be
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defense and rebounding and shot selection, coachability and just trust.
So that sounds like a guy who you're going to
give a bigger opportunity to elsewhere. Sounds like a sign
and trade guy.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Interesting. Michael Malo, he won a ring just a couple
of seasons ago, was unceremoniously fire this past season, and
now he's doing work for ESPN.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Now.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
He raised some eyebrows the other night because in his
analysis after the Thunder game, he said, quote, Shay showed
us why he's the MVP. Yeah, And then of course
the entire media world goes crazy like, whoa, he just
got done coaching the greatest player in the world, Jokic.
What's going on here? Is there a rivalry, is there
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a beef? Did Y get him fired? You know, all
the speculation. So last night he went on ESPN and
he felt the need to correct the record, and.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I did vote for him again this year if I
had a vote, I want to make sure the people
in Denver know that, because right now I'm getting a
lot of to heat back on.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, I mean, I think he gets a little excited now. Look,
he can say this is why he's the MVP, and
that's he didn't say, I think he's the best player
in the world. I think he's the MVP. Right again,
it's semantics, but you're arguing semantics. I do hate though,
when you make a statement like that then all of
a sudden you backpedal, you know, Whereas what you could
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say is like, man, I don't know. I mean, I've
been coaching Jokic, who I think is the best player
in the world for however many years, and watching this
cat up clothes, I'm like, I see why he's the MVP.
I see why. It's an interesting conversation, but it happens
when when you're doing TV first time ever, you are
getting pushed by producers and just by the energy of
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saying bold things, and sometimes you say something like, I
don't know if that came out the way I wanted,
and even when it did, you don't realize their impifications
of it.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
For me personally, And you know, I don't know if
you're wired this way. But as a guy that just
loves content that is uncomfortable and controversial, yeah, him backpedaling
was a huge deflating part for my week. I need
to help to keep that controversy brewing. But that's not interesting.
Kellen Moore is the new head coach of the New
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Orleans Saints. Okay, now, I don't know if the Saints
are trying to win. I'm trying to come up with
the saying for the Saints season. I haven't gotten past
March for Arch or planning for Manning. If someone comes
up with a more witty, you know, title, please let
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us know. But he was asked about the tushbush because remember,
Kellen Moore was the offensive coordinator for the Eagles that
won the Super Bowl. Right, he's seen the toushbush up
close and personal. He's actually called for it. He was
asked about it surviving another year, and Kellen says, I
had great experience with it. It's an investment. It's a
play that Philadelphia has done a great job of investing
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a lot of time into. Spend a lot of time
embracing that play. And there's a component to it too
that we have to evaluate. But Kellen Moore would not
commit to creating his own Tushbush with his new team,
this coming on the heels of what yesterday. Johnson, the
new coach of the Bears, is like, I like exposive plays,
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So I don't understand why other teams, since they are
going to have this for a year, wouldn't go out
of their way to try to figure out a way
to do it themselves.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Well, I mean, I think the component issue that he's
discussing is the Jalen Hurts squad six hundred pounds and
he has just this unique ability to do it and
to not get hurt. And they've kind of, hey, this
is what we do, this is who we are, and
we actually you know, it's one of the first things
we teach. So I kind of get it with Ben Johnson,
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even if he's doing the knuckle dragging. I like exposive plays.
You know what I like. I like first downs, Ben,
I like first downs, you know. And look, he sounds
like every first year head coach, every guy who like myself,
you take over. You're like, man, we can do this
on offense. We can do that on offense. None of
that matters if you can't stop anybody, or if you
can't none of the throwing, if you can't run the football.
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But I think what Kellen Moore is discussing is he's like,
we just we might not have the personnel for that.
You know, they had Jason Kelsey, who was a small
but powerful and super quick center when they first put
it in. They had Jalen Hurts, who squats more than
anybody else as a quarterback in the NFL. And I
think those two parts are parts of the component. Now
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they're replacing Kelsey. They replaced Kelsey a year ago. Now
now they got to keep doing it with Jalen Hurts.
I think that's the part that he's saying. As for
Ben Johnson, yeah, I kind of think he's sticking his
chest out because he loves explosive, creative plays. When didn't
the Lions try a double pass in the fourth quarter
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trying to come back this year, try to get cute
with explosive plays instead of just running the football. And
that's herd Line news.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stub the herd Line.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Mark Dominic joins us. Of course, he joins me weekly
in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trader. This
is the Herd Zone for Colin on a Memorial Day weekend. Mark,
let me let me ask you, why why would it?
Ben Johnson say, I like explosive plays instead of the
toush push.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
Oh, I think it just sounds good. Right, It's for
the fans, right, It's it's kind of the what you
were just talking about. It's like, I can I can
create something that's more dynamic and more exciting than the
toush push, which is you know, uh, I guess a
play that you know everybody knows is coming when it
gets lined up. So I gotta think that's the whole reason.
He's just trying to again to state that he can
create explosive plays and fans want that.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
There there are two votes away, so again, how long
do you think this play lasts?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I hope they don't get it.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I think the play should last I mean it's unique
that the Philadelphia Eagles are the only ones that are
really good at it right, and that's and there's a
lot to be said about you know, they're timing and
everything coming together, and you've touched briefly about it. You know,
Cam Jurgen's comes in there and now's the starting center
built completely different than Kelsey, but a very powerful maller
but just you know, a much more higher cut guy
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where Kelsey was a lower cut you know, quick twitch,
and they had no problem with it. Scam can move mountains.
He's a powerful kid. I don't think you should out lot.
I think it is what it is. And you know,
I think you just got to figure out how to
stop it or slow it down. And if you can't
do it, then push, push state get him in third
and you know three not third and one.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Mark Dominis, our guest, you're on in the heard. I'm
Doug Golly Pavilion for Colin brock Perty's deal. How does
a GM look at it?
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Well, I think it's I think it's not surprising. I
think you and I had been talking about well, I
was hoping, you know, this would come in forty five
to fifty with incentives and it comes in around fifty two.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
I don't think it's a.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Shocking deal to any general manager. I think they all
kind of look at it like, you know, that's just
what the rate is. And obviously he's getting less than
the starting rate quote unquote for every club. I think
it's somewhat of a fair deal across the board. I
think it's certainly a good narrative for brock pretty and
you know, being mister irrelevant to now signing this deal,
to seeing what else is in his chapter of his
NFL career. But it's also you know, brock Perty, you know,
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it's not saying I need the entire back and I
want to bank and this all, and that.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
It's a good that I think that the forty nine
ers still have a.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Little leiggle room with their roster even though they just
did a contract extension with a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, and as also did one with Fred Warner. What
are your thoughts on the guys they let go, Because
one of the thoughts I had was some of those
guys they didn't really want back, like Deebo Samuel. I
don't think they wanted Deebo Samuel back anyway, but they
made it a casualty of the brock Perty thing, and
it made it much more convenient. What are your thoughts
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on the percentage of those guys name guys that they
had to part ways with that they are really kind
of over anyway, and this just allowed them to.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Do so well.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I think Deebo I agree with you. I think Deebo
was give or take basically the Deebo's frustration. Sometimes we've
talked about how I feel very strong about what Ricky
Pierce is going to do. I think Drake Greenlaw was
when they didn't want to let go. I think that
one hurt. I think that they really love that kid
and what he's been able to do and what he's
all been through. I think those are the ones where
it kind of burns a little bit. I bet you
for John on Lynch, certainly for coach Shanahan to lose
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a guy that's you know, been a warrior four years
since you had them. So I think those hurt, but
you know that that's just part of the game, and
so they had to make these tough decisions with guys
that they do, like you know, Aaron Bank went out
and broke you know, crushed it in Green Bay. With
a huge contract. Would they like to have Aeron? I'm
sure they would have, but I think they realized, hey, look,
there's only so many things we can do, and you know,
there are certain positions we can't pay and it's going
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to be hard. You know, Dominic Pooney came in and
played really good at guard.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
It's hard to.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Pay guards in the Nation Football, where you're paying your tackles.
It's hard to pay linebackers the Nation Football when you're
paying your quarterback.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
And so they went to the positions that I think.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Are always going to get a little bit more dinged
or you can't pay as many guys. And that's linebacker,
that's safety, that's running back badly, and that's in tier
offensive line.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
You can't pay three guys inside.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
We mentioned we're looking for like a phrase for the Saints.
Is there any way they're competitive with this roster and
with the quarterback play they seem to have.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
I know, it's a you know, it's a it's a
tough job for coach more Uh, you know, the personnel
there and the cap has been hard. It feels like
an angst bag over your head this year for them.
I'm I'm afraid I just I think the other teams,
even the Carolina Panthers, I think, are you know, trying
to improve the roster, working on getting the better and
stronger roster, certainly be with the wide receiver room. That's
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the way it is set now in Carolina. Uh, this
is a team that I just don't feel confident in
the quarterback class. And when you're the fourth, you know
you're you You've got the worst quarterback of the four
teams in your division. That makes for a really long year.
And I think that's what the SAME's fans have to endure.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
What do you think the progression is in Cleveland with
you know, they got got four quarterbacks plus Deshaun, but
Deshawn's had multiple achilles, so I mean the likelihood of
him to ever taken a step again isn't great. But
what what how is that handled? What's the progression like
in terms of reps, in terms of opportunities when you
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have just four kind of unique quarterback prospects like like
Flacco and like Trubisky and then the two.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Rookies, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I mean you look at Flacco and I would guess
that he's going.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
To get the least I mean he may get first
team reps. I know they talked about Kenny Pickett getting
first team reps.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Uh that's a ticket.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Sorry, I said, it's all right.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
We talk a lot of sports. Sometimes you're allowed to
get a name mixed uff. So you know, Kenny Pickett,
I think is you know, probably just going to get
an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Is what's going to happen is Joe.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Blacko is going to be the one that probably doesn't
see as much preseason work, doesn't see He'll still get
the work, But they.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Don't need to see a lot out of Joe Flacco.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
I don't think they need to find out the young
three to see if they like any of them more
than the other. And this will be a chance for
schedu Or saying with Dylan and Kenny Pickett, I think
that they're going to spread it around. They may start
each one of those young guys as a starter in
the preseason game, just to give him the start out
of the tunnel and say what do you look like? Uh,
but certainly it's hard, you know, you get all these
reps right now, and certainly camp's going to be the
important part.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Just stuff we don't get to see.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
The classroom the the ability to you know, regard to
Tate what's going on, you know, in in the classroom
and be able to you know, see how they can.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Parlay that to the field.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
It's going to be the big difference for all three
of these guys, and to see how they can do that.
Can you Picketts weaknesses his arm strength and I don't
know if he can fix that. Gabriel, you know, to me,
there's a little bit an accuracy thing. And Shador, you know,
he seems to be handling everything very well right now.
I like the way he's being quoted in what he's saying,
so I think it's pretty open there.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, it's it's a fascinating one. Okay, if you're in Pittsburgh,
how long how much longer do you give Aaron Rodgers
to make a call on the deal?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:38):
I really want Aaron there for the Veteran mini camp, Doug.
I need him there by then to kind of at
least take the reins, have the playbook under your belfer,
you know, even over the weekend, and just go out
there be around the players before you come back to
camp and show up. I think that's really kind of
my drop dead time. And so I think he's got,
you know, a couple of weeks left here before. You know,
Pittsburgh has their veteran mini camp, and I would think
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that that's what they're waiting on.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You're in the You're your same position you have with Tampa,
only in Chicago. You know this story that's come out,
the book that's come out with Seth Seth bicker Sham'm
talking about Katle Williams in the draft process where he said,
you know, or his dad said, that's where quarterbacks go
to die. You want to be a Viking? Obviously they
have a tremendous head coach and tremendous system and probably
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better weaponry. Nonetheless, it doesn't look good. You don't ever
say you want to be a Viking when you're a Bear.
What's the conversation like between GM and starting quarterback?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Well, I think.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
I think it's it's GM and and father is what
I really would start with. You know, I left the quarterback.
Usually I like to let the quarterback handle with the
head coach and then like coach Johnson talk to him
knowing that you know, we would talk first, and then
I would I would call, you know, the father. I mean,
obviously have a conversation with him about like what are
we what are we trying to accomplish here? Like what's
the goal?
Speaker 4 (29:58):
What do you want?
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Because you're making their harder and there's no reason to
make it any harder on your son. That's all you're
doing now, you're creating even more fan disappointment. If he struggles,
it's going to be even harder for him, you know.
And so that's the conversation. I'd be happy with the dads,
like we just need to dial everything down. He just
needs to go out there, say the right things, do
the right things. We've done everything we can for your son.
In terms of offensive line. I feel like it's as
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good it's ever been. But you know, I think it's
more of a conversation with the bad and I think
the coach handles the player.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Let's circle back mark downick our guest here in the heard,
I'm Doug Gottlie Chillian for Colin Brock Perty said he's
a top ten quarterback. Is he right.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
As a winner? I'd say yes. As a As a tools,
I would say no.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You know. I think I think if you sit there
and say, okay, just.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Give me the winners, I want the guys that are
the best of the best, and show me what that
looks like. You know, I think he's in that top
ten conversation when you think about quarterbacks and like, he's
the best quarterback you know, I think you have to personally,
even though you know Jayden Daniels, it's you know, Mahomes Alan,
you can start going down to some of these guys,
Lamar Jackson obviously, you know Justin Herbert or Jordan Bob
(31:06):
It's hard, Joe Burrow, it's hard to get in the
top ten, but I think he's very close. But as
a winner, I think he's a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Well, is that the goal of the whole thing. I mean,
that's that's where I'm I'm like, I'll give you I'll
just a question. Okay, start at zero, Justin Herbert or
Brock Perdy.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I will take Justin Herbert still.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Okay, and all those other quarterbacks we established established previously, right,
you're talking about Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes whatever.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Margin.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, yeah, but I do think the difference is like,
well they already have been San Francisco, so it's we
make it out like you got to choose, but he's
he's very much on the board there. But again, so
in terms of winner, you're talking about intangibles, whereas he
doesn't have the tangibles of a top ten quarterback. Is
that fair?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
That's exactly right. That's how I feel.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
And then that's the only thing that keeps him Like
do you sit there and say Jalen hurts or a hymn?
There's part that maybe he does better than Jalen, but
there's Jalen has been a great winner, you know, since
he's been in there. You know, Jaye Daniels, maybe it's
a little early to crown him up there and put
him that high, but what he was able to accomplish
with that Washington roster in his rookie season, it's hard
for me not to put him in that conversation with
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those guys.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
So I love Brock Purtty.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
You know, I've been a rock pretty fan since the beginning,
even through the injuries and everything.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
I thought this was a great story.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
But he also you know, just the way he carries
himself and handles everything. I'm just saying from a pure
you know, arm talent, legs talent. Brockbritty doesn't fall in there,
but he's brought pretty worthy of that contract he just signed.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yes, he is interesting, Mark, great stuff. Enjoy the weekend.
Thanks for our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Thank you, Doug, enjoying you too.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's Mark Domin' spent over twenty years in the NFL front
offices in scouting, of course, former gentle manager of the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'll tell you this, Jay Stuh, you
had had to know and do. I think it was
the sponsor deal. I do. But when he gets the
Toyota Tacoma TRDS for all of his offensive linemen, like
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that is a bold Again, has to be a sponsorship deal.
But otherwise you gotta know you're getting paid, like you
have to know you're not getting paid. You're getting paid.
And I am looking both ways before I cross the street.
I'm not. I'm I'm wrapping myself in bubble wrap, right
because one of those those gotta run in the sixties, right,
(33:28):
So if you go sixty times and you're not just
buying you can just buy the starting lineman. You gotta
buy all those all those meatheads, like eight of them, right,
eight of them. You're talking like half a million dollars.
If if you're spending your own money on those trds.
He had to know he was getting paid. That's otherwise.
It's a bold move when the the amount that you're
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paying in cars for your lineman for protecting you is
the same amount you're making per year.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
No doubt. And I would just wonder if there was
not a sponsor involved, if he literally just went onto
a Toyota dealership and said, I need these many cars
and I'm going to get one hundred and eighty guaranteed
in the next couple of months. I wonder if they
sell him on that credit, on that verified credit, if
you had I don't know what you put up for collateral.
(34:15):
I don't know if you give him your football helmet
or something. But yeah, that's an interesting story. But you
must admit, like the team's messaging, they haven't even hidden this.
There was zero suspense, like no early in the season
even they're like, we're going to take care of the kid,
We're going to take care of him, and to our astonishment,
they kept saying it. But and then they did it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, they did it. I guess maybe that's their men
of their word. They hey, this is our guy. He
played for us for almost for free for a couple
of years and now we're gonna feels like overpaying him.
I don't know. Hey, I'm Doug Golliban for Colin. Come
up in the hurd. I'll give you my advice. Actually,
I'll give you some advice to the New York Knicks
on Game two against Adian tonight. I want to hear it.
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am I think, look, not everything about the New generation
is bad, right, we do this and if you listen
to the show, I'm Doug Gottlieb, my Steam producer Jason
Stewart joining me today and Jaystu. You you do like
(36:32):
to point out how some of the hypocrisies, some of
the bizarre stuff that gen Z is into, and how
they all have to have their feelings heard and vindicated,
and how different is from how we were brought up right,
like we do it. It's pretty easy to poke fun
at some of this stuff, but not all of it
(36:55):
is bad. Right, Let's not act like everything in the
new generation is bad. And I give you Tyrese Haliburton.
Tyre's Haliburton was an overlooked player right he came. He's
from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He went to Iowa State. It wasn't
like there was great fanfare, and he just worked and
worked and worked. And again, even now with the most
overrated player mantra that he carries because of a player poll,
(37:20):
he doesn't. Not only does he not shrink from the
moment hitting what was an incredible shot, although he double dribbled.
I mean, anybody sees a video, you can say, well
he got fouled, but he also double dribbled. If he
gets fouled, then it's two free throws, and then the
Knicks get the ball back, you know, after the two
free throws. But nonetheless, I don't know if you saw this,
(37:41):
but Haliburton was asked by ESPN about being the most overrated,
he says, I love external motivation. Somebody's talking ish. I
want to know because I want to go back at them,
and don't get me wrong. Talking. Trash in basketball is
as old as the game itself, although I'm not really
sure that doctor James Naismith, who invented it for aerobic activity,
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was really into the trash talking, even when he was
the least successful coach in the history of Kansas basketball, right, Like,
I don't think he was. I don't think James R.
Naysmith was a big trash talk guy. But since it
became kind of a city game in probably I don't know,
the thirties, forties, definitely the fifties and sixties, trash talk
has been a part of it, and I don't know
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if we try and take it out of it. It's
just sometimes the women's stuff is well over the top,
and then you know, obviously there's moments where like his
dad coming out on the court, like what are you doing?
But here's what I do like from the gen Z
generation is because they've grown up with a phone in
their hand, because they've grown up where X was Twitter
(38:53):
and there were message boards, people have spoken their mind
more and said more bombased bombastic stuff on TV, on radio,
online than at any time in our lifetime. Right, I mean, again,
go back to how sports was always covered in the
nineties and it was far different. Were people critical of
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Jordan before he won an NBA title? Yes, but was
it was the noise this loud no no and average
everyday Joe's now feel like they have the ability to
say and do whatever they want. It started with message
boards and it moved into social media and now they're
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getting quoted on real TV shows. I don't know why
we do it, but we do. But the point is
that between Tyree's, Halburton, Anthony Edwards, you know, some of
these guys, they have grown up idolizing the Jordans, the Birds,
the Kobe's guys who were who were great trash talkers,
and they've grown up in an era where you can
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kind of say whatever the hell you want, you know
how you know, take your shot, talk your ish. And
I think Haliburton is a perfect example of it. It's like,
do I if I'm a if I'm a Pacer coach,
do I love that he talks trash and runs the mouth?
Maybe not, but one it kind of works for him,
and two it kind of fits with this generation. Like
(40:21):
I actually think Jase doing in your in your weekly
evisceration of all things gen Z. There may be a
maya kopa at some point in time. Because gen Z
they'll actually say what they think every now and again
more more often. Now. Look, if someone get their feelings
hurt way worse than previous generations and they make it
(40:41):
about things it's not about. But I do think that
there's a portion of them that that matches the kind
of message board Twitter trash talk that I actually think
is a good thing from this generation.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
And as a parent of gen Z, I take full
responsibility for how gen Z is. And just to be clear,
I've always said that gen Z walks around thinking that
we owe them happiness all the time, Like, what is
it in the Declaration of Independence so that our country
guarantees you the pursuit of happiness? Gen Z somehow reads
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that as we guarantee you'll be happy all day and
if you're not, then you can complain. So Yeah, the
refreshing part of that is you're right. This kid could
easily take the high road and be like, I don't
listen to the noise. It's all about basketball.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
I go zero, dark thirty. I don't listen to any
of that stuff. Correct, I just lock in, lock in.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
It's more interesting when they do hear the noise and
they acknowledge it. And he's literally putting it where his
mouth is. I don't even know what that even means,
but he putting it on the court.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah, how does that work? Where you put your money
where your mouth is? I want to know the impetus
of that expression.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
And I just used a gen z thing, and I
use literally in the opposite term that it's actually used.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
So I just fell for that.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yeah, no, of course you did. And well that's what's
interesting is they've changed what literally means in the Webster's
Dictionary to where it actually one of the definitions is figuratively,
not actually literally. But I digress. The point is that
any generation has you can pick apart negatives about it.
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Our generation, our parents, their parents, the greatest generation of
all time, the great generation of all time. Awesome, But
let's not act like the world was perfect back with
Ozzie and Harriet and they did you know? Greatest generation
was World War One? Right, that's trench warfare. Let's dig
a big trench and then let's go take another trench
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and everybody dies in between the two trenches. Not the
smartest of generations. The greatest general though, because of what
they did to stand up for the right side of history.
And with this generation, there's a lot of negatives you
point out, but one positive is they will take their shot.
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he's backpedaling faster than Dione Euston. Back pedal is the
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best cornerback of all time. There's a lot to get to.
Mark Dominical join us. We'll ask him about brock Perty's
new contract in brock Perty saying he's a top ten
quarterback in the NFL. It's like brock Perty is a
is a radio producer or a TV segment producer. Hey,
I'm top ten quarterback in the NFL. You know everybody
loves their lists. Let me start with this though, So, technically,
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Lebron James has a player option. Right, a player option,
so he can not sign or opt out of his
player option, become a free agent and essentially pick where
he wants to go.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But Lebron James, at forty years old, well, his options
are conda limited. Nonetheless. Rich Paul, his agent, was on
the Rich Eisen Show and he asked about Lebron's upcoming
player option this offseason.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
I think they've been pins and needles for a while.
I think I don't know about that, though I wish
I had the answer, Rich, So you.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Don't have conversations with him about how much longer he wanted.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
To No, I don't have. I don't have conversations like that.
I just I go into each year like he's continued
to play. I never even like talk about that. I
don't talk about that.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Well, I mean, you are his agent and his best friend.
So Look, we can just cut to the brass tacks.
Lebron's not going anywhere. They just drafted his son, and
I'm sure he wants to leverage some of whatever farewell
tour he has to potentially draft his other son, Bryce
was gonna be a freshman Zona. I'm sure that's probably
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part of the weight on his mind. Right. Is this
the last year? Or do I wait another year and
make that the last year? And we could act like
a Lebron he could just walk away at any time.
But does anyone think that a guy who has gotten
and honestly earned as much attention as he as as
he's gotten, Like we can sit there and say a
(03:06):
lot of these things are attention getting things, But I mean,
have we seen a guy play ass consistently well for
twenty years in the NBA? No? No, is he as
good as he used to be? No, But to those
of us who remember Kareem playing at forty, he was
much more of a shell of his former incredible self.
(03:26):
So again, I'm not I'm not the guy that's sitting
there hating on Lebron telling you, oh my god, Lebron
wants attention, Like, look, when you've gotten this much attention
since you were sixteen years old, and you've lived up
to and probably exceeded anybody's reasonable expectations for what you
could do or how well you could do it, or
how long you could do it, how well you could
do it, You're gonna get a bunch of attention. And
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it's a really really hard lifestyle to get out of.
It just is. But but if honest, he's not going anywhere,
and he's not retiring without some sort of ceremonious retirement celebration.
(04:12):
You know, I Kareem wants far less attention. Yet Kareem
did the whole tour after becoming the all time leading
scorer in the game. Lebron likes the attention, likes it again,
And you can sit there and go o, hey Lebron
or whatever like. No, I just don't know anybody who
(04:33):
would just dispute that. It's not like he's pushing away
attention to his private life, to his off off court conversation. No,
he wants attention to that. So you know, he's got
his production company, that's his little baby. He makes makes
movies and does documentaries out of it. All great, all
that requires attention that hey, we have this here and
(04:55):
you get that through lebron James getting attention. But I mean,
this is like a nonsensical question. You know, he's got
a player option because if he really, really really wanted
to win in LA, he would go, Hey, here's what
we'll do. Let's opt out of this, sign a minimal
deal or a small deal over a couple of years,
(05:16):
and then let's go go to work and go get
me some guys that can play some defense. I don't
you know. And when he talked about when Rich talks
about the Lakers being on pins and needles, like, is
that is that what you need? Is that? Because that's
that's obviously leverage that why would you do this? You
(05:39):
would only do it is if you want to have
some sort of power order the organization that you play for, right,
And he used and he wielded that power to get
them to draft Bronnie and play Ronnie way above the
level of his competency at the time which he was drafted.
And whether Bronnie becomes a full time NBA player and
a guy who's a reasonab rotation player is has actually
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nothing to do with the farce that took place last offseason.
Because last off season we were told there's all there
was multiple teams interested there weren't you know? You had
JJ Reddick in one of his first press conferences saying
he earned. He earned where he was drafted. He didn't. Again,
it doesn't mean that you can't draft a guy. You're
allowed to draft a guy and say, hey, you know,
(06:25):
he went through a hard issue. He had a hard
first year at USC, but we see the futures being bright.
But sit there and go like, well he earned it,
like doing what? But nonetheless, that was all because Lebron
has power and he leveraged it, and he's like, look,
I don't want to leave LA, but I also want
to help raise my kid, coach my kids, see my
kid grow. You guys are going to draft him. He'll
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play some with us in some of the G League,
travel with him. It'll be awesome experience. And I'm sure
for Brounie it probably was outside of a lot of
the the yakking on it. And for Lebron too, right, Yeah,
some of that stuff you strikes close to home and
really hurt him. But when he zooms out, he's like,
I got to spend a whole year with my son
in and out of the NBA probably wants to do
(07:08):
with Bryce. Whether Brice isn't even as good as Bronny,
so he has power. He's trying to leverage that power.
That's the only reason for doing it. Because at some
point you start talking about this stuff and guys just
rolling their eyes, like he's not going to retire without
a without a proper sendoff. The league wouldn't want him
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to do that either. And we can act like the
league is, well, it's like something nefarious from the league.
It's not. It's not. If the league could have done
with Jordan, they would have done it with Jordan. But
with Lebron. I mean, this is that they don't want
to kill the Golden Goose. They want him around as
long as possible. They just want to keep milking it.
And you can sit there and go like, I'm tired
(07:51):
of Lebron. But if it comes out and Lebron says, hey,
this is my retirement tour, you're going and gobbling up
those tickets. You're gonna watch te a lot more because
it's Lebron. He's Haley's comment. It ain't coming around for
another eighty seven years. By the way, Jays, Dude, you
think people who are like under forty get the Haley's
(08:13):
comment reference. I feel like that's a really dated our
age reference of Haley's comment, because Haley's comment hasn't been
around in like forty years and won't be around for
another forty years, And unless you were a kid or
adult lived through it, you have no idea what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
I think it's a I think it's a pretty tangible
reference for any any educated generation. But I guess that's
saying a lot. That's assuming that our kids are being educated.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I think you starry making it. Is there a
TikTok on Haley's comment? Is there an Instagram real on
Haley's comment?
Speaker 6 (08:47):
You'll get You'll get the first ten TikTok results will
be Haley was it? What's a what's Hilly Bieber? No,
the Haley is the wife of the Bills quarterback what's
your name? Seinfeld? Seenfeld? Ryan Smith? Here a big Marvel fan.
She was one of the Marvel characters Steinfeld, Seinfeld There
he got Selt go pass all the Hailey stein Carls.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, there's a lot of other Haley's. A matter of fact,
there is kind of a rush on Haley's that are
older teenagers, right, that's a that's a big name. Maybe
that came from our generation. And Haley's comment and saying, hey,
I kind of like this name, Haley, who is the
first to name their kid Aiden? Because I know fifteen
Aidens who are under twenty. I don't know anybody over
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twenty named Aiden. I just want to point that out.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Speaking of Bron thing one thing about this so was
a little less than a year ago, we all witnessed
that ruse, that circus where the Wakers tried to convince
the public that Brownie was a legitimate draft prospect. Sure,
and then they they drafted him and said that he
earned it, and then they you know, they signed, they
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gave him the guaranteed for a second round pick. You're
saying to me that Lebron would compel a historic franchise
like the Lakers to do something embarrassing like that and
lie to the public and then not come back after
one year. I mean, isn't doesn't he have doesn't he
does he owe the Lakers something for that massive favor
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of being able to play with his son and do
that thing where he invited the Griffies in and nobody cared.
But him, doesn't he owe the Lakers at least one
more season?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I mean, I think the answer in terms of reality
is yes. But in terms of Lebron does he think
he owes them that? I don't think the answer is yes.
I just don't. And and you know what, he might
have a little bit of a point, right because he
has he didn't play every game, but for forty years old,
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he game a game a lot, and he does compete
to win, and he is a gigantic name.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So does he.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Owe it to them? Of course he owes it to them.
But again you're looking at this as a non parent,
rational human being that hasn't had fame thrust upon them
and been told they could do no wrong like he went.
He had his show called The Shop, right, which was
the barber Shop, and he actually sued Nick Saban because
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they had a similar show, because he believed he invented
barbershop conversation being recorded, like what what do you think?
The essence of first take is what are we even
talking about? But when you live in a world where
everybody just says hey, whatever you say, King, it's really
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hard to tell if up is up and down is down,
and so yeah, if it's me. If my son, who's
not clearly qualified even close to as his son is,
Hey dude, we're gonna draft you in the second round
and give you a guaranteed contract, I'd be unbelievably grateful.
It's the type of thing that you do for a
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life long friend. Man, that's a real solid. I truly
appreciate it. If there's ever a way I can, I
can help you, you know, return the favor you just ask.
That's how normal reasonable relationships to It's not a quid
pro quo. You take care of me, I take care
of you. It's like, hey, that's a real solid. I
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appreciate it. I feel so close to the Lakers' organization.
That's just not what we've heard come out of Lebron
or come out of Rich Paul. An example, Hey, they're
on what do you say? They're on eggshells? Why are
they on eggshells? Like you'res agent, youre's best friend. They
did a ma solid like. Look, the Lakers are completely
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locked up with Lebron. They know everything he wants to do.
They've done right by him. He's going to do right
by them. They'll come to a mutual desistant but that's
not what you hear. It's not what you hear. You hear.
I don't know, then, wit on eggshells. He's got a
lot of options. No he doesn't. His option is come
back and play, figure out how he wants to play,
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how they can go and get you know, legit defenders
to go along with their best three players. We're all
offensive players. I don't think it's a championship makeup or
championship roster. And if he wants it to be his
last year, give him the heads up. It's his last
year so that the whole league can do the proper celebration.
And if you want to push back in a proper
celebration because Jordan didn't have one, just know that. Like, look,
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Lebron James, what was it, nine straight NBA finals, four titles.
He's in any conversations the greats of all time, and
he's done it for a long time. And I continue
to say this. If the worst thing that he's done
is forced the Lakers to draft Brownie and play him
and do that whole dog and pony show, that ain't
that bad. Most other superstars have done far worse, far worse,
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and especially off the court, There's never been a whisper
of anything. So I've Doug Golliban for Colin coming up
in the Herd. The NFL teams are ready for another season.
Are you ready for another season of the tush Push.
We'll get into that next in the Herd.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
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Speaker 3 (14:25):
What up Doug Alliban for Colin heard Fox Sports Radio
iHeartRadio app. Welcome in Happy Memorial Day weekend te It's
the unofficial beginning of summer. If you're going to the beach,
you're going to a lake, you're going to a mountain,
wherever you're going, drive safe, keep it tuned right here
to Fox Sports Radio. Mark Domond's going to join us
up coming probably about five minutes. Course. Mark was most
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notably the GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He's worked
his entire life in professional football. We'll get his thoughts
on rock Perti's new deal and and you know when,
when is it the you know what? Or get off
the pot for Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers, all
that up to come. But first let's get to Jason
Stewart with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
This is the headline.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
News, Doug. I need you to put your coaching cap on.
You got it on?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, I do. I coach got a coaching cap. My
coaching cap this year was a Dunce cap.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
But that's okay, ouch, WHOA. I like self deprecation. That
was a good one. So I need you to give
me the code here what Steve Kerr is actually saying.
So you know more about Jonathan Kaminga than I do.
I know he is a lottery pick. I don't know
if he was a swingman. I think he had a
couple of pretty good games when Steph Curry wasn't on
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the court in these playoffs. Well, the question is will
he be a Golden State Warrior moving forward. Steve Kerr
recently said this one, and I need you to tell
me what he really means by this. It's a tricky
one because Jonathan obviously is gifted and wants to play
a bigger role and wants to play more. And for me,
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we've been asked to win and right now, he's not
a guy I could say I'm going to play thirty
eight minutes with the roster that we have. What does
that tell you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
It means that if they're going to move him to somewhere,
he thinks he can start and play. But kind of
a lot like Kyle Kuzma, right, Like Kyle Kuzma was
the starter on the worst team in the NBA, and
the Wizards, you know, put him on one of the
best teams in the NBA, and suddenly he comes out
the bench. It's a different role. So you know, obviously
he wasn't in their rotation consistently. It's got to be
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defense and rebounding and shot selection, coachability and just trust.
So that sounds like a guy who you're going to
give a bigger opportunity to elsewhere. Sounds like a sign
and trade guy.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Interesting. Michael Malo, he won a ring just a couple
of seasons ago, was unceremoniously fire this past season, and
now he's doing work for ESPN.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Now.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
He raised some eyebrows the other night because in his
analysis after the Thunder game, he said, quote, Shay showed
us why he's the MVP. Yeah, And then of course
the entire media world goes crazy like, whoa, he just
got done coaching the greatest player in the world, Jokic.
What's going on here? Is there a rivalry, is there
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a beef? Did Y get him fired? You know, all
the speculation. So last night he went on ESPN and
he felt the need to correct the record, and.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I did vote for him again this year if I
had a vote, I want to make sure the people
in Denver know that, because right now I'm getting a
lot of to heat back on.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, I mean, I think he gets a little excited now. Look,
he can say this is why he's the MVP, and
that's he didn't say, I think he's the best player
in the world. I think he's the MVP. Right again,
it's semantics, but you're arguing semantics. I do hate though,
when you make a statement like that then all of
a sudden you backpedal, you know, Whereas what you could
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say is like, man, I don't know. I mean, I've
been coaching Jokic, who I think is the best player
in the world for however many years, and watching this
cat up clothes, I'm like, I see why he's the MVP.
I see why. It's an interesting conversation, but it happens
when when you're doing TV first time ever, you are
getting pushed by producers and just by the energy of
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saying bold things, and sometimes you say something like, I
don't know if that came out the way I wanted,
and even when it did, you don't realize their impifications
of it.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
For me personally, And you know, I don't know if
you're wired this way. But as a guy that just
loves content that is uncomfortable and controversial, yeah, him backpedaling
was a huge deflating part for my week. I need
to help to keep that controversy brewing. But that's not interesting.
Kellen Moore is the new head coach of the New
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Orleans Saints. Okay, now, I don't know if the Saints
are trying to win. I'm trying to come up with
the saying for the Saints season. I haven't gotten past
March for Arch or planning for Manning. If someone comes
up with a more witty, you know, title, please let
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us know. But he was asked about the tushbush because remember,
Kellen Moore was the offensive coordinator for the Eagles that
won the Super Bowl. Right, he's seen the toushbush up
close and personal. He's actually called for it. He was
asked about it surviving another year, and Kellen says, I
had great experience with it. It's an investment. It's a
play that Philadelphia has done a great job of investing
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a lot of time into. Spend a lot of time
embracing that play. And there's a component to it too
that we have to evaluate. But Kellen Moore would not
commit to creating his own Tushbush with his new team,
this coming on the heels of what yesterday. Johnson, the
new coach of the Bears, is like, I like exposive plays,
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So I don't understand why other teams, since they are
going to have this for a year, wouldn't go out
of their way to try to figure out a way
to do it themselves.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Well, I mean, I think the component issue that he's
discussing is the Jalen Hurts squad six hundred pounds and
he has just this unique ability to do it and
to not get hurt. And they've kind of, hey, this
is what we do, this is who we are, and
we actually you know, it's one of the first things
we teach. So I kind of get it with Ben Johnson,
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even if he's doing the knuckle dragging. I like exposive plays.
You know what I like. I like first downs, Ben,
I like first downs, you know. And look, he sounds
like every first year head coach, every guy who like myself,
you take over. You're like, man, we can do this
on offense. We can do that on offense. None of
that matters if you can't stop anybody, or if you
can't none of the throwing, if you can't run the football.
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But I think what Kellen Moore is discussing is he's like,
we just we might not have the personnel for that.
You know, they had Jason Kelsey, who was a small
but powerful and super quick center when they first put
it in. They had Jalen Hurts, who squats more than
anybody else as a quarterback in the NFL. And I
think those two parts are parts of the component. Now
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they're replacing Kelsey. They replaced Kelsey a year ago. Now
now they got to keep doing it with Jalen Hurts.
I think that's the part that he's saying. As for
Ben Johnson, yeah, I kind of think he's sticking his
chest out because he loves explosive, creative plays. When didn't
the Lions try a double pass in the fourth quarter
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trying to come back this year, try to get cute
with explosive plays instead of just running the football. And
that's herd Line news.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stub the herd Line.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Mark Dominic joins us. Of course, he joins me weekly
in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trader. This
is the Herd Zone for Colin on a Memorial Day weekend. Mark,
let me let me ask you, why why would it?
Ben Johnson say, I like explosive plays instead of the
toush push.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
Oh, I think it just sounds good. Right, It's for
the fans, right, It's it's kind of the what you
were just talking about. It's like, I can I can
create something that's more dynamic and more exciting than the
toush push, which is you know, uh, I guess a
play that you know everybody knows is coming when it
gets lined up. So I gotta think that's the whole reason.
He's just trying to again to state that he can
create explosive plays and fans want that.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
There there are two votes away, so again, how long
do you think this play lasts?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I hope they don't get it.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I think the play should last I mean it's unique
that the Philadelphia Eagles are the only ones that are
really good at it right, and that's and there's a
lot to be said about you know, they're timing and
everything coming together, and you've touched briefly about it. You know,
Cam Jurgen's comes in there and now's the starting center
built completely different than Kelsey, but a very powerful maller
but just you know, a much more higher cut guy
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where Kelsey was a lower cut you know, quick twitch,
and they had no problem with it. Scam can move mountains.
He's a powerful kid. I don't think you should out lot.
I think it is what it is. And you know,
I think you just got to figure out how to
stop it or slow it down. And if you can't
do it, then push, push state get him in third
and you know three not third and one.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Mark Dominis, our guest, you're on in the heard. I'm
Doug Golly Pavilion for Colin brock Perty's deal. How does
a GM look at it?
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Well, I think it's I think it's not surprising. I
think you and I had been talking about well, I
was hoping, you know, this would come in forty five
to fifty with incentives and it comes in around fifty two.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
I don't think it's a.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Shocking deal to any general manager. I think they all
kind of look at it like, you know, that's just
what the rate is. And obviously he's getting less than
the starting rate quote unquote for every club. I think
it's somewhat of a fair deal across the board. I
think it's certainly a good narrative for brock pretty and
you know, being mister irrelevant to now signing this deal,
to seeing what else is in his chapter of his
NFL career. But it's also you know, brock Perty, you know,
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it's not saying I need the entire back and I
want to bank and this all, and that.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
It's a good that I think that the forty nine
ers still have a.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Little leiggle room with their roster even though they just
did a contract extension with a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, and as also did one with Fred Warner. What
are your thoughts on the guys they let go, Because
one of the thoughts I had was some of those
guys they didn't really want back, like Deebo Samuel. I
don't think they wanted Deebo Samuel back anyway, but they
made it a casualty of the brock Perty thing, and
it made it much more convenient. What are your thoughts
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on the percentage of those guys name guys that they
had to part ways with that they are really kind
of over anyway, and this just allowed them to.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Do so well.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I think Deebo I agree with you. I think Deebo
was give or take basically the Deebo's frustration. Sometimes we've
talked about how I feel very strong about what Ricky
Pierce is going to do. I think Drake Greenlaw was
when they didn't want to let go. I think that
one hurt. I think that they really love that kid
and what he's been able to do and what he's
all been through. I think those are the ones where
it kind of burns a little bit. I bet you
for John on Lynch, certainly for coach Shanahan to lose
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a guy that's you know, been a warrior four years
since you had them. So I think those hurt, but
you know that that's just part of the game, and
so they had to make these tough decisions with guys
that they do, like you know, Aaron Bank went out
and broke you know, crushed it in Green Bay. With
a huge contract. Would they like to have Aeron? I'm
sure they would have, but I think they realized, hey, look,
there's only so many things we can do, and you know,
there are certain positions we can't pay and it's going
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to be hard. You know, Dominic Pooney came in and
played really good at guard.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
It's hard to.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Pay guards in the Nation Football, where you're paying your tackles.
It's hard to pay linebackers the Nation Football when you're
paying your quarterback.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
And so they went to the positions that I think.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Are always going to get a little bit more dinged
or you can't pay as many guys. And that's linebacker,
that's safety, that's running back badly, and that's in tier
offensive line.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
You can't pay three guys inside.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
We mentioned we're looking for like a phrase for the Saints.
Is there any way they're competitive with this roster and
with the quarterback play they seem to have.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
I know, it's a you know, it's a it's a
tough job for coach more Uh, you know, the personnel
there and the cap has been hard. It feels like
an angst bag over your head this year for them.
I'm I'm afraid I just I think the other teams,
even the Carolina Panthers, I think, are you know, trying
to improve the roster, working on getting the better and
stronger roster, certainly be with the wide receiver room. That's
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the way it is set now in Carolina. Uh, this
is a team that I just don't feel confident in
the quarterback class. And when you're the fourth, you know
you're you You've got the worst quarterback of the four
teams in your division. That makes for a really long year.
And I think that's what the SAME's fans have to endure.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
What do you think the progression is in Cleveland with
you know, they got got four quarterbacks plus Deshaun, but
Deshawn's had multiple achilles, so I mean the likelihood of
him to ever taken a step again isn't great. But
what what how is that handled? What's the progression like
in terms of reps, in terms of opportunities when you
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have just four kind of unique quarterback prospects like like
Flacco and like Trubisky and then the two.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Rookies, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I mean you look at Flacco and I would guess
that he's going.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
To get the least I mean he may get first
team reps. I know they talked about Kenny Pickett getting
first team reps.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Uh that's a ticket.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Sorry, I said, it's all right.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
We talk a lot of sports. Sometimes you're allowed to
get a name mixed uff. So you know, Kenny Pickett,
I think is you know, probably just going to get
an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Is what's going to happen is Joe.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Blacko is going to be the one that probably doesn't
see as much preseason work, doesn't see He'll still get
the work, But they.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Don't need to see a lot out of Joe Flacco.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
I don't think they need to find out the young
three to see if they like any of them more
than the other. And this will be a chance for
schedu Or saying with Dylan and Kenny Pickett, I think
that they're going to spread it around. They may start
each one of those young guys as a starter in
the preseason game, just to give him the start out
of the tunnel and say what do you look like? Uh,
but certainly it's hard, you know, you get all these
reps right now, and certainly camp's going to be the
important part.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Just stuff we don't get to see.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
The classroom the the ability to you know, regard to
Tate what's going on, you know, in in the classroom
and be able to you know, see how they can.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Parlay that to the field.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
It's going to be the big difference for all three
of these guys, and to see how they can do that.
Can you Picketts weaknesses his arm strength and I don't
know if he can fix that. Gabriel, you know, to me,
there's a little bit an accuracy thing. And Shador, you know,
he seems to be handling everything very well right now.
I like the way he's being quoted in what he's saying,
so I think it's pretty open there.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, it's it's a fascinating one. Okay, if you're in Pittsburgh,
how long how much longer do you give Aaron Rodgers
to make a call on the deal?
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:38):
I really want Aaron there for the Veteran mini camp, Doug.
I need him there by then to kind of at
least take the reins, have the playbook under your belfer,
you know, even over the weekend, and just go out
there be around the players before you come back to
camp and show up. I think that's really kind of
my drop dead time. And so I think he's got,
you know, a couple of weeks left here before. You know,
Pittsburgh has their veteran mini camp, and I would think
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that that's what they're waiting on.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You're in the You're your same position you have with Tampa,
only in Chicago. You know this story that's come out,
the book that's come out with Seth Seth bicker Sham'm
talking about Katle Williams in the draft process where he said,
you know, or his dad said, that's where quarterbacks go
to die. You want to be a Viking? Obviously they
have a tremendous head coach and tremendous system and probably
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better weaponry. Nonetheless, it doesn't look good. You don't ever
say you want to be a Viking when you're a Bear.
What's the conversation like between GM and starting quarterback?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Well, I think.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
I think it's it's GM and and father is what
I really would start with. You know, I left the quarterback.
Usually I like to let the quarterback handle with the
head coach and then like coach Johnson talk to him
knowing that you know, we would talk first, and then
I would I would call, you know, the father. I mean,
obviously have a conversation with him about like what are
we what are we trying to accomplish here? Like what's
the goal?
Speaker 4 (29:58):
What do you want?
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Because you're making their harder and there's no reason to
make it any harder on your son. That's all you're
doing now, you're creating even more fan disappointment. If he struggles,
it's going to be even harder for him, you know.
And so that's the conversation. I'd be happy with the dads,
like we just need to dial everything down. He just
needs to go out there, say the right things, do
the right things. We've done everything we can for your son.
In terms of offensive line. I feel like it's as
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good it's ever been. But you know, I think it's
more of a conversation with the bad and I think
the coach handles the player.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Let's circle back mark downick our guest here in the heard,
I'm Doug Gottlie Chillian for Colin Brock Perty said he's
a top ten quarterback. Is he right.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
As a winner? I'd say yes. As a As a tools,
I would say no.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You know. I think I think if you sit there
and say, okay, just.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Give me the winners, I want the guys that are
the best of the best, and show me what that
looks like. You know, I think he's in that top
ten conversation when you think about quarterbacks and like, he's
the best quarterback you know, I think you have to personally,
even though you know Jayden Daniels, it's you know, Mahomes Alan,
you can start going down to some of these guys,
Lamar Jackson obviously, you know Justin Herbert or Jordan Bob
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It's hard, Joe Burrow, it's hard to get in the
top ten, but I think he's very close. But as
a winner, I think he's a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Well, is that the goal of the whole thing. I mean,
that's that's where I'm I'm like, I'll give you I'll
just a question. Okay, start at zero, Justin Herbert or
Brock Perdy.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I will take Justin Herbert still.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Okay, and all those other quarterbacks we established established previously, right,
you're talking about Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes whatever.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Margin.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, yeah, but I do think the difference is like,
well they already have been San Francisco, so it's we
make it out like you got to choose, but he's
he's very much on the board there. But again, so
in terms of winner, you're talking about intangibles, whereas he
doesn't have the tangibles of a top ten quarterback. Is
that fair?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
That's exactly right. That's how I feel.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
And then that's the only thing that keeps him Like
do you sit there and say Jalen hurts or a hymn?
There's part that maybe he does better than Jalen, but
there's Jalen has been a great winner, you know, since
he's been in there. You know, Jaye Daniels, maybe it's
a little early to crown him up there and put
him that high, but what he was able to accomplish
with that Washington roster in his rookie season, it's hard
for me not to put him in that conversation with
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those guys.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
So I love Brock Purtty.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
You know, I've been a rock pretty fan since the beginning,
even through the injuries and everything.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
I thought this was a great story.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
But he also you know, just the way he carries
himself and handles everything. I'm just saying from a pure
you know, arm talent, legs talent. Brockbritty doesn't fall in there,
but he's brought pretty worthy of that contract he just signed.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yes, he is interesting, Mark, great stuff. Enjoy the weekend.
Thanks for our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Thank you, Doug, enjoying you too.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's Mark Domin' spent over twenty years in the NFL front
offices in scouting, of course, former gentle manager of the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'll tell you this, Jay Stuh, you
had had to know and do. I think it was
the sponsor deal. I do. But when he gets the
Toyota Tacoma TRDS for all of his offensive linemen, like
(33:05):
that is a bold Again, has to be a sponsorship deal.
But otherwise you gotta know you're getting paid, like you
have to know you're not getting paid. You're getting paid.
And I am looking both ways before I cross the street.
I'm not. I'm I'm wrapping myself in bubble wrap, right
because one of those those gotta run in the sixties, right,
(33:28):
So if you go sixty times and you're not just
buying you can just buy the starting lineman. You gotta
buy all those all those meatheads, like eight of them, right,
eight of them. You're talking like half a million dollars.
If if you're spending your own money on those trds.
He had to know he was getting paid. That's otherwise.
It's a bold move when the the amount that you're
(33:49):
paying in cars for your lineman for protecting you is
the same amount you're making per year.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
No doubt. And I would just wonder if there was
not a sponsor involved, if he literally just went onto
a Toyota dealership and said, I need these many cars
and I'm going to get one hundred and eighty guaranteed
in the next couple of months. I wonder if they
sell him on that credit, on that verified credit, if
you had I don't know what you put up for collateral.
(34:15):
I don't know if you give him your football helmet
or something. But yeah, that's an interesting story. But you
must admit, like the team's messaging, they haven't even hidden this.
There was zero suspense, like no early in the season
even they're like, we're going to take care of the kid,
We're going to take care of him, and to our astonishment,
they kept saying it. But and then they did it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, they did it. I guess maybe that's their men
of their word. They hey, this is our guy. He
played for us for almost for free for a couple
of years and now we're gonna feels like overpaying him.
I don't know. Hey, I'm Doug Golliban for Colin. Come
up in the hurd. I'll give you my advice. Actually,
I'll give you some advice to the New York Knicks
on Game two against Adian tonight. I want to hear it.
(34:57):
It's next to the hurt.
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am I think, look, not everything about the New generation
is bad, right, we do this and if you listen
to the show, I'm Doug Gottlieb, my Steam producer Jason
Stewart joining me today and Jaystu. You you do like
(36:32):
to point out how some of the hypocrisies, some of
the bizarre stuff that gen Z is into, and how
they all have to have their feelings heard and vindicated,
and how different is from how we were brought up right,
like we do it. It's pretty easy to poke fun
at some of this stuff, but not all of it
(36:55):
is bad. Right, Let's not act like everything in the
new generation is bad. And I give you Tyrese Haliburton.
Tyre's Haliburton was an overlooked player right he came. He's
from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He went to Iowa State. It wasn't
like there was great fanfare, and he just worked and
worked and worked. And again, even now with the most
overrated player mantra that he carries because of a player poll,
(37:20):
he doesn't. Not only does he not shrink from the
moment hitting what was an incredible shot, although he double dribbled.
I mean, anybody sees a video, you can say, well
he got fouled, but he also double dribbled. If he
gets fouled, then it's two free throws, and then the
Knicks get the ball back, you know, after the two
free throws. But nonetheless, I don't know if you saw this,
(37:41):
but Haliburton was asked by ESPN about being the most overrated,
he says, I love external motivation. Somebody's talking ish. I
want to know because I want to go back at them,
and don't get me wrong. Talking. Trash in basketball is
as old as the game itself, although I'm not really
sure that doctor James Naismith, who invented it for aerobic activity,
(38:07):
was really into the trash talking, even when he was
the least successful coach in the history of Kansas basketball, right, Like,
I don't think he was. I don't think James R.
Naysmith was a big trash talk guy. But since it
became kind of a city game in probably I don't know,
the thirties, forties, definitely the fifties and sixties, trash talk
has been a part of it, and I don't know
(38:28):
if we try and take it out of it. It's
just sometimes the women's stuff is well over the top,
and then you know, obviously there's moments where like his
dad coming out on the court, like what are you doing?
But here's what I do like from the gen Z
generation is because they've grown up with a phone in
their hand, because they've grown up where X was Twitter
(38:53):
and there were message boards, people have spoken their mind
more and said more bombased bombastic stuff on TV, on radio,
online than at any time in our lifetime. Right, I mean, again,
go back to how sports was always covered in the
nineties and it was far different. Were people critical of
(39:15):
Jordan before he won an NBA title? Yes, but was
it was the noise this loud no no and average
everyday Joe's now feel like they have the ability to
say and do whatever they want. It started with message
boards and it moved into social media and now they're
(39:35):
getting quoted on real TV shows. I don't know why
we do it, but we do. But the point is
that between Tyree's, Halburton, Anthony Edwards, you know, some of
these guys, they have grown up idolizing the Jordans, the Birds,
the Kobe's guys who were who were great trash talkers,
and they've grown up in an era where you can
(39:57):
kind of say whatever the hell you want, you know
how you know, take your shot, talk your ish. And
I think Haliburton is a perfect example of it. It's like,
do I if I'm a if I'm a Pacer coach,
do I love that he talks trash and runs the mouth?
Maybe not, but one it kind of works for him,
and two it kind of fits with this generation. Like
(40:21):
I actually think Jase doing in your in your weekly
evisceration of all things gen Z. There may be a
maya kopa at some point in time. Because gen Z
they'll actually say what they think every now and again
more more often. Now. Look, if someone get their feelings
hurt way worse than previous generations and they make it
(40:41):
about things it's not about. But I do think that
there's a portion of them that that matches the kind
of message board Twitter trash talk that I actually think
is a good thing from this generation.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
And as a parent of gen Z, I take full
responsibility for how gen Z is. And just to be clear,
I've always said that gen Z walks around thinking that
we owe them happiness all the time, Like, what is
it in the Declaration of Independence so that our country
guarantees you the pursuit of happiness? Gen Z somehow reads
(41:17):
that as we guarantee you'll be happy all day and
if you're not, then you can complain. So Yeah, the
refreshing part of that is you're right. This kid could
easily take the high road and be like, I don't
listen to the noise. It's all about basketball.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
I go zero, dark thirty. I don't listen to any
of that stuff. Correct, I just lock in, lock in.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
It's more interesting when they do hear the noise and
they acknowledge it. And he's literally putting it where his
mouth is. I don't even know what that even means,
but he putting it on the court.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah, how does that work? Where you put your money
where your mouth is? I want to know the impetus
of that expression.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
And I just used a gen z thing, and I
use literally in the opposite term that it's actually used.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
So I just fell for that.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yeah, no, of course you did. And well that's what's
interesting is they've changed what literally means in the Webster's
Dictionary to where it actually one of the definitions is figuratively,
not actually literally. But I digress. The point is that
any generation has you can pick apart negatives about it.
(42:33):
Our generation, our parents, their parents, the greatest generation of
all time, the great generation of all time. Awesome, But
let's not act like the world was perfect back with
Ozzie and Harriet and they did you know? Greatest generation
was World War One? Right, that's trench warfare. Let's dig
a big trench and then let's go take another trench
(42:54):
and everybody dies in between the two trenches. Not the
smartest of generations. The greatest general though, because of what
they did to stand up for the right side of history.
And with this generation, there's a lot of negatives you
point out, but one positive is they will take their shot.
Olklahoma State takes the two games, none laid. Do we
(43:15):
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