April 9, 2024 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right hour two to Tuesday. Welcome in live in
Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for megan us part
of your day. Congrats to Yukon and then Caitlin Clark,
Zach any great players historically dominating players overwhelmed by much
better teams. That's sort of the story of most of sports.
The team beats the great player. Jmac nick Wright's gonna
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join us in a few minutes. It's good to be back.
You're off vacation. Now you're back.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, trying to plan another vacation now. Isn't that what
you do when you're on vacation.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yoo?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
This is so fun.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That's what old people do that when they're eating breakfast,
they're planning lunch and dinner.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Thank you for selling memo that makes I.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Am not planning vacations. I am here for the grind
all the way through the draft. Oh really yeah? And
then the NBA playoffs. NBA playoffs, I think Ryan, we
could check on this. Don't the playoffs start like next week?
Late next week or weeks?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Now they start like is it next weekend? The play well,
the play in is the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Are they? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You think of the playing games feel like a regular
season game. The playing games feel like the playoffs. You
will I will not miss a player game.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, Laker last year.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I don't care what it's classified.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
By the way, can I just give you a shout
out for that Zach Edy discussion we had first hour?
It was good. I just checked my phone. I had
like four friends texting a lot of disagreement on whether
or not Zach Edy can be like a viable pro
and you should take him early. People seem divided on this.
You're hot for Edie.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I wasn't a year ago. It's called new information. He's
a much more dominant player. The air thing is he's
seven four, three hundred pounds. Dude's in good shape. There's
a lot of times Biggs look awkward. You know, they're
not coordinated, they're sloppy like that dude is It's like
Yannis you got abs, like Zach Edy is strong.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But we see chet Holmgren and wee Bin Yaman. I'm like,
I want that much.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I don't think he's that kind of player.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Those are Wenby could be the best player in the
league by the All Star break next year. Yeah, okay,
and check Holmgren looks like an All Star. I'm not
saying that. I'm saying you tell me you can't play.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But is Edie going to dominate, say bam out of Bayo?
Is he going to totally wreck.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Now Bam out of Bayou? Who's an All Stark? But
can he be on the floor with Bamana Bayou and
serve himself? Okay? Can you give me sixteen minutes a night,
nine point seven rebounds a block, A very serviceable, rotational player.
I think that's reasonable for a bad team, maybe a
starter occasionally.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I don't want to go into a bad you go
to Charlotte, it's over. Well, you know, we'll see in
ten years when you're playing in Turkey or Servier.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yes, Charlotte's having a rough run NBA decades. Chefsky retired,
Roy Williams out could be a long decade.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
That used to be a hotbed for basket Remember Larry
Johnson and Alonso Morning.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Oh yeah, So Bronnie James, according to Sean Sharanya, is
viewed as an NBA caliber defender by teams you know
that are going through draft decisions. So this is what
we said yesterday. If you're all worked up over this story,
era lebron hater, you're telling on yourself. The twenty thirteen
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draft is probably the worst draft ever. Anthony Bennett was
number one. You were taking like rotational players in the
top ten. Best player was Giannis. Arguably second best player
was Rudy Gobert. He was late first and it took
him years to develop. This this is a bad draft,
which is amazing to me because the NFL on an
annual basis, can you give you brock perty as the
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last player picked in the seventh round. Half the NFL
starters are undrafted guys like Antonio eight, Kurt Warner, Tony Romo,
undrafted great football players. This year there may be like
two to three really good players and that's it in
two rounds. So I said yesterday. He's a smart kid.
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He's a hard worker. I made one phone call and
they said, in this draft you could take him at
the fifty fifth pick if you were the Lakers. He's
going to get better because of his physical situation, the
cardiac arrest. He's not the same player he was before that.
Mick cronin UCLA basketball coach recruited him, saw him a
lot in high school and talked about him yesterday.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
You imagine growing up sitting watching basketball games and talking
to your dad.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Your dad is Lebron James, but he's to you as
your dad.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
The big advantage of if your parent was a good player,
because you've been taught the game a lot of legacy
players now it's not tall. I mean in recruiting a
I try to search for him. So it's a huge
advantage when you can grow up around that, because not
only so Lebron, he talks to his dad. Who do
you think his dad's friends are other good players?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Right?
Speaker 6 (05:03):
I mean, look who they're you know. Look, so you're
just you're so far advanced and you don't even know
it that by the time you're thirteen, how much basketball
you really know?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, so I have no problem. If the Lakers said,
all right, we'll draft you fifty fifth pick, it's about
a million dollars a year. We just signed Lebron to
one hundred and eighty million dollar contract, so so we're
paying one hundred and eighty one million dollars for Lebron
James and his son. I'm okay with it. Also, the
Lakers need defenders, wing defenders and shooters, and he's you know,
getting better as a shooter. So listen, we may not
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have one single domestic star in this draft, which is crazy.
I mean, that's crazy, but it tells you what's happening
to our basketball culture in America. That's a different topic,
but this is a bad draft. You can't tell me
you're worked up over you know, Lebron James soon getting drafted.
I said this yesterday on the show. Every time you're
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on the freeway, you see a plumbing truck, doesn't it
say Johnson and Sons? Right, how'd you get into law school? Oh?
Your your dad went there. You didn't really quite qualify
there were Yeah, okay, it's this is the way if
you started a business. I did three years ago. I
started with people I knew. I'm okay with it. It's
not like you can't play. It's not like you're asking
him to be a lottery pick in a terrible draft.
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Can he go to the Lakers? Defender? Can shoot? I
don't know? Played college? Here? With that, we bring in
Nick Right first things first, joining us Live. Yeah. My
take on the brownie thing is the way the world
works is everybody, I mean, this is the way college works.
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How many times has somebody asked me, can you get
can you get my daughter or son an internship at Fox?
Like that's the world. If Bronnie gets drafted fifty fifth,
I'm like, I'm okay with it. What do you make
of it?
Speaker 7 (06:50):
I mean, maybe you're okay with it, Colin, But I'm
highly critical of those types of family connections, and I
discussed that about ninety minutes ago on What's Right with
Nick Right podcast and YouTube show I host with my
son that you can catch everywhere.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 8 (07:05):
I mean, I mean, like this is the anyone checked
the Patriots power structure because I'm pretty sure Robert Kraft's son, Jonathan.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
Craft, is in the process of hiring Elliott Wolf to
be their full time GM son of Ron Wolf. And
Elliott Wolf's right hand man is the son of a
longtime patriot.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Like Listen, we.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Have been fine for years with nepotism in front offices, coaching,
and ownership in sports.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
We see it all over the.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
Place in sports and in real world businesses. And if yes,
we have and here is where I would push back
even further against the criticism, which is, we have seen
players not nearly Lebron James Cashet be able to help
out their siblings Jr. The Knicks signed Jr. Smith's brother
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Chris to a contract as.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Part of the recruitment of Jr.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
The entire anting Goupo bloodline has been getting NBA paychecks
seemingly because of Giannis and so I would totally understand
if a team says, all right, what are the probabilities
of a second round pick panning out? A late second
round pick historically less than ten percent. So yeah, take
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a flyer on Lebron on Bronni James, you know, if
for no other reason than the name and what it
will do for our relationship with Lebron. What is to
me the more interesting question is this one, Colin, and
I do not think this is gonna happen because I
do think Lebron is gonna stay with the Lakers. But
if Lebron were actually open to leaving the Lakers this offseason,
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what pick would you trade straight up to have Lebron
ja As on a reasonable contract. Would he be worth
the twentieth pick of the draft A year twenty two,
forty year old Lebron James, we were worth the twenty
fourth pick of.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
The draft if he is open to leaving. Would a team,
a contending team.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
Like say the Knicks or the Sixers spend a first
round pick on Bronni because they're actually spending the pick
on securing Lebron.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
That's gonna happen, but that's an interesting thought exercise. But
of course, the Lakers spending the fifty fifth pick on
Bronni James shouldn't bother anybody unless they have an axe
to grind with Lebron.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So I was saying this, I've been arguing with the
Jmack it's the weakest draft. They're saying since the Anthony
Bennett draft may be worse. There's no domestic stars in
the top three or four. And I said with Zach Edie,
the entire NBA uses the same data and analytics, and
then Minnesota said, yeah, we're gonna We're gonna go with
two centers, and they're the number one seed in the West.
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By the way, I saw this with David Robinson, Duncan,
the Twin Towers in Houston. They're like, you know what,
We're gonna switch it up and do something different. We
see this in the NFL, where, maybe because they had to,
Tennessee said we're gonna be a run team and they
ended up the number one seed in the AFC. So
I'm I am for contrarian thinkers. My take on Zach
Edy is he got an NBA big in foul trouble
all night, a big that had dominated players. He scored
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thirty seven, he had no real help. One other guy
scored twelve. He had no real help. And he he
is a different player than a year ago when he
was very good. A year ago, but he seems stronger
seven four to three hundred, and he's kind of ripped.
He doesn't move great, but he moves well enough to
be an NBA draft pick, and a bad draft doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
So I have evolved on Edie as well, because if
a guy putting up a forty and ten in the
Elite eight doesn't make you move, then why play the games?
If a guy going thirty seven and ten in the
championship game against the you know, most dominant other seven
foot are in college basketball doesn't at least make you
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adjust your eyes, than what will I'm going to add
another element here, Colin, And it's not.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
That this guy can be a star.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
But if you'd asked me three months ago about Zach Edie,
I'd have said he's Boban Marjanovitch. I don't think that anymore.
I think he is more than that because of what
we saw him do. And the other element is this,
he played every single minute last night. How much better
will he look athletically if he's playing eighteen or twenty
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minutes of a forty eight minute game rather than thirty
nine and a half minutes of a forty minute game.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
You know, our mutual friend and.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Regular Herd guest, Kevin O'Connor throughout an interesting draft team
for him, which was I heard you and j Mack
talk about how he would do against Bam. What about
him alongside Bam? What about the Miami Heat? Saying we
have Bam who can spread the floor offensively, Zack can
stay closer to the basket on that side of the ball,
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and then Bam can rove defensively and handle some of
those coverages that we think Zach couldn't deal with.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
I do think he's an NBA.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
Player, and I know that Klingon is considered the far
better NBA prospects. I don't think that Klingon will be
a better NBA player than Zach Edy. I don't think
either will be stars, and I'm not even sure either
is a long term starter. But I do think Zach
Edy's an NBA player, and I.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Didn't think that at the beginning of this season.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I was saying, if they were movies, Kentucky Basketball is
Barbie and Yukon is Oppenheimer, a historic three hour movie
on the atomic bomb, and it swept through the Awards.
You'd say, to yourself, who's gonna sit through three hours?
It's a history lesson. But that's what they are. It's
a serious program for serious people. And I watched them
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last night, and I gotta tell you, I don't know
where they rank it. They remind me a bit of
the Villanova team, maybe deeper that had Jalen Brunton Eric
Pascal Michale Bridge is like, yeah, you're not. This is
just just too many good players. But I just I
look at this program and I'm like, did they surpass
Duke last night? Over the last twenty five years as
America's best college basketball program?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Well over the last twenty five years, they are, without
a question America's best college basketball program.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
They have six titles. I think they have as many.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
They have more titles in the last twenty five years
than Duke has in its history. The question is are
they now officially a quote blue blood unquote and if so,
do we have to kick somebody out or is there
you know, a limitless supply? And no, I mean that
because Ucla, Kentucky, North Carolina, Indiana, Duke. There's five Yukon's
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better than all of them over the last quarter century
and historically really only Kentucky and Ucla have them far
trump and you could argue North Carolina has them ticked.
But what to win six titles with three different coaches
to now have a back to back championship run Colin
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where no one covered, no one came within a dozen points.
Both of these things can be true against their current competition.
It's one of the most dominant teams ever and they
are not one of the twenty best college basketball teams,
this year's Yukon team of all time, just because of
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the way the sport has changed. I smiled a bit
when they mentioned at the broadcast that this is the
first national championship game to have two starting seven footers
in forty years and the one forty years ago was
ewing A Lajaha, And I was like, Okay, yeah, the
sport's a little different. Like forty years ago we got
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Ewing Alajuan going in for the national title and this
year we have Edie Klingon. So the sports changed and
Yukon has you know, dominated And credit to Hurley, who listen.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Hurley's in the.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Same you know bucket of coaches as I kind of
mentally put in, uh Nick Sirianni where it irritates me,
like why are you yelling the Edie? Why are you
shoving your own player on the court. But unlike Sirianni,
he has gotten it done in the biggest moments of
the biggest spots, and he's unquestionably right now has earned
(15:29):
the title as the best coach in the sport I
wish you would, you know, chill a little bit, ramp
it down a touch, but I guess it's not his style.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So we were talking about this with Yannis, so be
very very careful. I got into this discussion with somebody
about a month ago. I said, be very very careful
about wanting power. What you want is culpability to blame others,
because if you have all the power, things go sideways.
You take all the heat. And I said, powers overrated.
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I used to think it was everything. Now it's that
on and I look at Jannis and he has power.
And so they moved off Budenholzer, who won a title,
and then they move off Adrian Griffin, and then they
moved off to Drew Holiday to make him happy with Dame.
And now Doc Rivers isn't working. And I'm like, okay,
but you're not close to Boston, you don't match up,
you don't have their depth. You're just simply not as good.
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And in the West you're a five hundred team. Go
look at them at twenty nine games against the West
this year, like fifteen and fourteen.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
They're a team.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And so in the West they'd be I don't think
they're as good as the Lakers, and I don't think
they're as talent in it quite as I don't think
they're as good as Golden State. And I know they're
not as good as the Lakers. They're not Denver, forget it. Okay. See,
So my takeaway is if they get bounced Sterly and
now that Embiid is back and they if they played Milwaukee,
I would take the Sixers and Embiid over Milwaukee and Michael, Yeah,
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what happens if Giannis in the box get bounced Sterly? Nick?
I do not believe Jannis is gonna go Yeah, I'm
good with it. Let's run it back. Where are they
as a franchise?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
All right? So a lot there.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Now we know from Jannis last year there are no losses.
There are just lessons. But that would be one hell
of a lesson going out in round one and back
to back years. Once is the one seed and once
is the two seed. In your scenario, this is the
one silver lining because spoiler alert, you know this was
my pick to win the championship and I don't want
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to change those picks, but I don't have a lot
of evidence to back that up.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Over the last two months of the season.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
But if you're looking for silver linings to this swoon
is dropping to the three line is actually advantageous for them,
even though they've struggled with Indiana. You would much rather
deal with either Cleveland that's falling apart or Indiana in
round one than Philly, which I know they have a
very tattered playoff history Philly with EMBIID. You do not
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want Philly in round one with how they have looked lately,
and that's.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Who they would get as the two seed.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
But to your bigger picture question, Yannis on the precipice
of us talking about him in all time Pantheon terms,
and I'm not saying he's no longer you know that's
no longer eligible for him. But you went back to
back MVP, he's a defensive Player.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Of the Year.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
You follow that up with a finals MVP where you
score fifty to win the title, coming back from two
to zero down, and it's like, oh my god, where
are we headed from here? You then are up three
to two on Boston and you know Tatum gets you
in that game six and you lose it. You get
blown out in game seven. You then lose as a
one versus eight the next year you add dame if
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you go out again before the conference finals. Yeah, I
think Giannis, despite signing the extension, will start to be
looking around. And yeah, of course a lot of that
would have to fall on his broad shoulders. Like you,
individual players, you know how I feel about this. It
is unfair to be like, oh, why didn't you win
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the title in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
It is not unfair to say, why didn't you get
out of round one in consecutive seasons? That is a
fair question. And if people remember Kobe Bryant after Shack left,
they missed the playoffs, They then blow a three to
one leading round one, They then losing round one, and
what happened after that? Kobe's in a parking lot, caught
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on candid camera talking bad about Andrew Bynham, goes on
Steven A's radio show and start and ask for a trade.
They salvage it by bringing in Pow and then obviously
they go on a run. But all time great players
that feel like I should be winning more than I am,
they very often then start looking around, even if we
feel like they are locked into that team for life.
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So yeah, this is a very precarious and important next
few weeks for Milwaukee and Giannis I.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Said yesterday, there's not many Caitlin Clarks. A lot of
athletes r the wave, even stars. She was the wave,
you know, like like Michael Jordan is to me, he
left the NBA loft lost half its ratings. That's the
biggest icon in any sport. I think Tiger Woods change
viewing habits. His golf ball made hundreds of millions of
(20:16):
dollars for Nike, not the not the clubs, the golf ball.
Everything changed TV ratings. H Then you get into you know,
obviously a Tony Hawk, you know, you get into these
guys that drove video games one. Yeah, yeah, I mean
I think that Sean White husein Bolt. There's a lot
Michael Phelps, Caitlin Clark. You can argue is is after
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Michael and Tiger. You could put in the three spot.
I didn't yesterday, but I think there's an argument to
be made. What do you make of her legacy?
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Listen, she is in the room for the conversation of
the greatest women's college basketball player ever. Now, I can't
share Whenever people prior to four years ago, if someone said,
who's the greatest women's player ever. I would have always
said Cheryl Miller, Yes, But to be fair, that's just
because that's what I was told. You know, I consider
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myself a basketball historian, but you can't really be an
expert on women's college basketball of the eighties unless you
watched it. Like the archives aren't on YouTube. Even all
of the box scores aren't available, so that's a tough one.
Prior to Caitlin Clark, the best player I had seen
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as a kid was shamik Wi holds Claw and as
an adult was Diana Tarazi. I understand Brianna Stewart has
the Brianna Stewart for four seasons, four titles, three Player
of the Year awards. That seems unimpeachable. You dig into
it a little bit further. Brianna Stewart. The year after
she left Yukon, they were thirty six and oh headed
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into the Final four and lost by two in overtime.
The year after that, they were thirty six and oh
head of the Final four and lost in overtime. So
as great as she was, she had one of the
greatest all time collections of talent around her.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
When Yukon was really, really rolling.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
I don't think I've ever seen a female player better
than Caitlin Clark. I know there's never been a more
impactful one. And I do think that if you want
to say she didn't win a title, she's ineligible for
the goat conversation, that's fine, But I think you also
have to ask yourself, hey, was there a single player
on Iowa other than Caitlyn Clark that would have gotten
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minutes for South Carolina? The only thing standing between South
Carolina and three straight national championships and an eighty two
game winning streak right now is that Caitlin beat him
a year ago. And so I don't know if she
is the goat, she's in the room of goats. What
she is, unquestionably is a transcendent player at the best
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time possible for the sport that I don't know that
the WNBA, In fact, I do know it's not going
to do the ratings the Women's tournament did. But I
also know that I among I must not have been
the only one that today looked on Seat Geek or
Stub Hubb or whomever like, hey, when are the Indiana
Fever coming to my city? And I found out by
(23:17):
just looking at for the New York Liberty. What ticket
was five times more expensive than all the other ones,
and it was the Indiana Fever game.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
And you can check that out city by city.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
So I do think he's gonna have a real impact
on the WNBA, even if you don't see it. For
you know, nineteen million people watching the championship.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Way, it's a sport that's growing and growing. And then
they got their icon. And you know, you could say
this too when when David Stern took over the NBA
there were levels of popularity. Some say he saved it.
It was magic and bird and all of a sudden, Oh,
here comes Michael And So I think women's basketball has
absolutely it's much better than twenty five years ago when
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Cheryl Miller left the sport could not sustain ratings. I
do think it'll sustain a big chunk of its ratings.
I think there's a new world, and the new world
is the quality of the product is pretty darn good
in a time of the year there's not a lot
of urgency.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
And I'm going to say one other thing, and I'm listen,
my son who lives second mentioned of my son on
the Today Show, who lives in La he got to
go watch her in person. I'm jealous of you, guys.
The young lady at USC Juju who lost in the
elite eight to page in Yukon. She has real star
quality as well. And while she's not the range shooter
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that Caitlyn is, she is almost not almost, she is
a more dazzling ball handler. Yes, the comp I would
have for her is almost a female Kyrie Irving stylistically,
and I think she can ride that wave that you're
talking about where we actually care and are watching women's
basketball and numbers we haven't before, and she will draw eyeballs.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
She will, to me, is a more exciting draw than
anything on the men's side of things.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
Next year and we could see her for the next
few years at USC, which is great.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, Duke's gonna have a really good player names escape me?
Is it Connor Cooper Flag? Is that at Cooper Flagg? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:09):
So oh yeah yo, the freshman. Yeah, he's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah. So both men's and women's are gonna have, you know,
an ascending star and that's good for the sport. Nick Wright,
buddy is good as old as to see you and
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Speaker 1 (25:46):
So when you were gone using the bathroom, we were
talking about this as a staff Jmac. The difference between
a regular season game and a playoff game in any
sport is usually that if you lose a playoff game,
your season is old, and if you win, you go
somewhere else. In the regular season, you just lose game.
So the NBA regular season closes Sunday night, the play
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in start Tuesday, and those to me are the playoffs.
So in the NCAA tournament, you know those last couple
of games to play in, well that's the start of
the tournament, so they view them as tournament games. So
to me, the play in games, if you lose, you
could beat, your season's over. That's never the case in
the regular season NBA game. If you win, you can advance.
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So anytime you play somebody and the losers done and
the winner advances, that's a playoff. So that's why I
consider it like Tuesday, the NBA playoffs start. The tournament
doesn't start March Madness starts with those play in games.
That's the tournament.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So I guess my pushback would be. So, let's say
you're a coach of a team that made the play
in two years in a row. Okay, you go to
management looking for a new contract. Hey, I just made
the playoffs two years in a row. You didn't make
the playoff. Dude, you made the play in, you didn't
make the playoffs. That's where it becomes tricky. Coaches can
now lock coaches. Hey, give me an extension, I made
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Well, NBA coaches get fired after taking their teams to
the finals. I mean, budenholes are won a title an
hour later, he's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Nobody's arguing it's that argument is well, I could argue
if you're in the playing game back to back years
and the owners think you're more talented than that, you're
getting fired regardless. But you starting Tuesday, you could your
season could be over if you lose or you advance
potentially if you win a couple of them. So to me,
I I just know how I feel when I watch
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the playing game.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
There is a gravity to the game that is like,
holy cow, this means all, this means only onto it.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Oh my god, Lebron's season could be over. I never
feel that in the regular season. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
All right, So Chicago Bears, your new favorite team in
the league right where Jets Bears show from now on.
Bears have the first and ninth picks in this month's draft.
We know they're going Caleb Williams at one, but recently
the Bears brought in Marvin Harrison Junior on a pre
draft visit, which led to speculation they could try to
do what the Texans did last year and trade up
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to get a second pick in the top five. I
had not considered this at all. That's really scary to
think that the Bears could be like, let's go get
Marvin Harrison, Caleb Williams, we got DJ Moore. Any shot
they give Harrison Junior here?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Like, no, no way.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I like Romadoons. I don't know if he'll be there
at nine.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Harrison's better than Roma Doomson certainly.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
So would you trade up to get him.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I don't like trading up for anybody except a quarterback.
But he's not going to be available to the Bears,
and the Bears are going to go to that defensive player,
probably because their coach is going to say, give me
a break. Keenan.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Allen might not be there in a year. I don't
know that he's going to have that much cloud.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, coaches still make more than GM's and they do
have a little power. I think Matt Ebrablus is going
to bang on the table. And I also think they
need help on the defensive side. They have a great
corner in Montese sweat. They need another edge.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Okay, So if you're the owner of the Bears, you say, okay,
the coach wants this guy ninth a defender.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Well, the owners of the Bears are older and connect them.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, he might be fought. We don't even know, ifever FLUSSI.
They're in October. If they start going four right, probably toast.
Why are we letting them pick, have the ninth pick,
or have any sway over it.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
We're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
It's best for our philosophy as a Bears franchise is what.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Is their philosophy?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
We need to get offensive. We have never had a fire.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So they have both tackles, two tight ends, two receivers,
a good back. What's not offensive?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Another receiver?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think they're receiving course five, DJ Moore and Keenan
Allen way better than average. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
we got buffaloes bringing to the table.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Keenan Allen is he ever fully healthy?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
He had like a hundred some catches last year and.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
He's worn down. There's a reason the Chargers moved off him,
and it ain't just financially.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He's gonna get to that warm Chicago weather and be reboil.
Oh yeah, warm?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
What is it thirty two degrees there today? I don't
know if they get Marvin Harrison Junior, I will officially
do I have a Vegas trip planned? I don't think
I do. I'll be going there and putting the division.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
What is the Bears over under? I think it's like
eight Vegas draft. Kings is a believer, I mean seven
and a half to eight. So the Bears are they're
telling you Justin Field's won ten games in three years.
Draft Kings in Vegas is telling you this kid's better
than the last kid. They're telling you that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Right, divisions better, Lions are legit.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And that's what's telling you. The division's better. And we
still think this kid will win almost as many games
as Justin Fields did in three years. That tells you
the gap between Fields and Caleb. Because the division is better.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
It significant. All right, let's get to uh the New
York Jets. Colin I was trying to tease it in
the first hour, but this defense is no joke at
this point. They added Hassan Reddick and Javon Kinlaw, former
Niners defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
On kin Law.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
New York now has a league high eight former first
round picks on the defensive side of the football eight eight.
They finished third in total yards allowed last season. They
were an elite defense.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Does Ken Law play like a first round pick?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Does he have to when he's next to Quitt Williams's
Reddick in company? Remember they got the young kid McDonald
from Iowa State last year. Look at the list of
dudes they got. So that's why they can lose huff
and be like, oh, we've still got McDonald.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh yeah, j Mosley when he's healthy. Ken Law has
been a bit of a bust. Yeah, Sauce Gardener's okay.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Sauce Gardner's okay. Look at that count.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I do like Quentin Williams and Sauce. Jermaine Johnson's got
a lot of talent.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
He's so good.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, he's I think he blocks. I'm not worried about this,
but you do realize nobody can stop anybody when he
gets down to it. You got to have to move
the chains. That's going to be the key.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I think the Jets didn't. They almost beat the Chiefs
last year, they beat the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
They almost did.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I can't believe you're not on board this.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I got a forty year old quarterback, prickly battle line
off an achilles surgery, and the defensive coach on the
Hokit and the.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Bills lost like five starters on defense and their best receiver,
and it's got Josh Allen and the Dolphins had lost
like five starters on defense, I think two on the
offensive line. I'm just telling Jets are winning the division.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
God, it's just too early for this. Can't you hold
this off until like August twenty eighth?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Through fair enough. August twenty eighth. I think that's officially
a vacation final story.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
How about this one?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Klay Thompson big game tonight for the Warriors against the Lakers.
So I can't tell where this is coming from, but
according to Tim Kawakami reputable journalists, one of the worst
kept secrets in the NBA is that the Orlando Magic
want Klay Thompson and they might offer him a ton
of money this summer. Orlando has young talent, Yeah, don't
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really have the shooters. Orlando shockingly is like third in
the East right now.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I didn't even realize. It tells you a lot about
the East. But you know, they've had a lot of
good draft picks and they've hit on the couple they have, and.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It looks like they're gonna be able to come off
like thirty million in salary with a couple of dudes
they could move on from and free up.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Cash for Clay.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Now we know California taxes are abysmal, Clay goes to Florida,
we know the tax situation there. And by the way,
Clay kind of closing out here strong twenty points per game, ye,
really good shooting splits over the last month forty six
five Collins. Is Orlando in play? Or is this Clay's
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camp thin Golden State, We'll go to Orlando.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Clay Thompson's value in the East with this team could
be substantial. Kirk cousins value in the NFC South with
Atlanta is substantial. Kirk cousins value in the AFC West
against Herbert Mahomes Harbor Andy Reid would not be a
substantial So I do think there's probably something to this.
They're a young team, they need shooters. The East is weaker,
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and the.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Kid Pods is basically he has replaced them.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, nice player breaking.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Up the Splash Brothers day. What a run they had.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
We gotta break up everything. Trees don't growing forever.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
All right, move on, there's a little set you have
to be. You feel a little bit sad if Clay
leaves the words. I mean, that was historic stuff.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
What they do.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't feel bad Byron Scott in the Lakers back court.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Or Orlando's a fine town. I don't feel sad for
anybody getting one hundred and fifty million bucks living in
a state with no state taxess. At Disneyland or disney World.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
You're just all about the Benjamins.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I'm just saying I'm gonna tell you something that's your landing.
If that, if that's the Golden Parachute, the executive, I'm
not gonna There's people to feel sorry for in America.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I'm not sorry for Clay. I'm sorry for the end
of something beautiful. Well beauty and Clay Thompson was spectacular.
Basketball not that beautiful anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okay, you need a little make I have a heart
or is it I have a heart, but it's not
as beautiful. There's a reason the Warriors would let it happen.
You run in this like it's don't you have like
some share in a soccer team or something.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Haven't?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Are you gonna fall in love with players? You're gonna
fall in likely.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Sorry, I'm talking about my love for the Golden State Worries.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
First all, I loved them too. I've been I'm pro
Dubs all the way I think they're I mean, I
talk about that more than any franchise, even more than Theakers.
I would say, or it's closed.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
So the night before you know, Fox hired me twenty sixteen.
Then the night before I moved out here, he dropped
forty fifty whatever the number was in Game six against
Okay See, And I remember watching it. We I refused
to cancel cable until the last second, had the moving
boxes and the TV propped up, and just watching Clay
go off. That was one of the great games.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Who's out against Okay See?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Okay see? It was Game six in Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
One of the great NBA games this century. Clay just
went off. It was Oh, I still remember it. I'm
a soft spot for I guess I'm a historian. Like
Nix six Sid.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Were a couple of historians. Well, there's got to be
an accountant in the room that takes care of business.
I stand on business. J Mackley news, Well that's the news.
The Herd love my dad. Michael Thompson's a big deal
in LA. He's a Laker voice, very nice guy. I
like Clay Thompson. But everything has trees don't grow to
the sky. I think you know, things eventually move on.
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Speaker 1 (37:31):
So Draymond Green is a podcast on the volume, and
he's very good at that, and he's raw and authentic,
and he was interviewing for the first time Klay Thompson.
So he's had Steph on before, he's had Steve Kerr
on before, He's had big stars all over the league.
Clay Thompson's pretty reluctant guy, pretty reticent, doesn't and then
like a lot of publicity, very chill, really nice kid,
good fam So Draymond brings him on and Draymond goes
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a little uh. He doesn't ask him a question that's prepared.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Draymond's a very coachable, prepared podcaster, but with Clay, he
goes off script and asks him this question.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
I want to ask you this question, and I want
to ask it because I'm afraid of answer when I
get ejected or something of that nature or suspended. What
do you feel? How do you feel now?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Andrea kind of a kind of a throwback player. When
you're not out there, it's like a piece of us
is gone. And me and Steph are really nice guys,
like probably too nice, no, and we can never be
ourselves and have the freedom.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
And we do on the court without you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
So yeah. I've said before is Draymond's much more of
an offensive player than people understand because he's such a
catalyst the screen setting, the passing, the ball handling. He's
very valuable. But there I always felt the Splash Brothers
got the notoriety, but it was and Draymond that were
sort of the soul of the team. And then Klay
Thompson was this sharpshooter who every once in a while
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would just take over, take over a half, and it
was the most brilliant thing you've ever seen. It's very
much Jerry West and Gail Goodrich. West was the star player.
Gail Goodrich was a sharpshooter who in moments when I
was a kid growing up, number twenty five would take
over games, takeover halves. Wes was the great player, but
you know, Draymond Green. It gets a lot of pushback,
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but I will say this is that he is willing
not only to do the tough stuff. I always sort
of said he was the bouncer at a bar where
a lot of guys are wearing skinny jeans. Everybody needs
a tough guy. You need it hockey, you need it.
In the NBA, Ben Wallace for the Pistons was a
little bit of this. An intimidator. The Knicks had intimidators
and they were romanticized, and Bill Lamber was an intimidator
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and he's been romanticized. Draymond Green is the same thing
that he is really really offensively valuable and sometimes crosses
a line. I do think it's very difficult to be
the bouncer at a club because like you are in
these high, high intensity physical battles, and the line is
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really close between intimidating and inappropriate. But Jay Mack, what
did you make of that? Did you sense Draymond had
a little guilt? Without answer, I was just looking.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
It's interesting. We just talked about Clay Thompson possibly going
to the Orlando Magic. Now we're hearing Klay Thompson doing
a podcast with Draymond Green. What's going on with the Warriors?
Colin is this like a is Draymond? Why did he
have him on now to talk about this before the
playoffs big game against the Lakers come up. I'm always
suspect of the timing. What's what's really the agenda here
for Draymond Green?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
What do you think it is?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I don't know. I'm asking you.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
You know the guy?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well, I think he had Steve Kerr and Stefan. I
just think he wanted Clay and Clay finally gave him
a thumbs up. I don't think there's a motive. You
think there's a motive.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I don't had a lot of opportunities have Clay Thompson
on his podcast. Clay is this could be the last
dance for the Warriors. So you're thinking, I think last
dance for for Draymond and Golden State. But you seem
to think he's locked in.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I think Kerr loves him. I think Kerr. I mean,
never forget that Jordan Pool video. They weren't mad at Draymond.
They were mad at got out.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
What about all the technicals and ejections this year?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Are they mad with thatshid Wallace? Got a lot of them.
I covered him. I mean, by the way, it's it's
the reality is Michael Jordan punched the teammate. I mean,
it's funny.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Michael Jordan's winning titles Raymond Green Guy four, he has four.
He was on a team, he was integral, but not
even more.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Is you lost that argument?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Is he integral anymore?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
They're tenth in the West partially the team he is
when he plays, they win when he doesn't. Their records egregious.
It's bad. Never forget. Steve Kerr was upset the video leaked,
not necessarily the team was an outrage that the punch.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
We should do.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
We should do what he did.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I'll be Clay, you be Draymond and j Max. What
do you think about when I mean to your jet?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
When I mean to your jets, It's impossible not to
be seem.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I really root for it. You just take craps out
of every chance you get.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
That sounds like a you problem. Hey, Logan Ryan with
breaking news today hanging them up joins us next
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right hour two to Tuesday. Welcome in live in
Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for megan us part
of your day. Congrats to Yukon and then Caitlin Clark,
Zach any great players historically dominating players overwhelmed by much
better teams. That's sort of the story of most of sports.
The team beats the great player. Jmac nick Wright's gonna
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join us in a few minutes. It's good to be back.
You're off vacation. Now you're back.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, trying to plan another vacation now. Isn't that what
you do when you're on vacation.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yoo?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
This is so fun.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That's what old people do that when they're eating breakfast,
they're planning lunch and dinner.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Thank you for selling memo that makes I.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Am not planning vacations. I am here for the grind
all the way through the draft. Oh really yeah? And
then the NBA playoffs. NBA playoffs, I think Ryan, we
could check on this. Don't the playoffs start like next week?
Late next week or weeks?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Now they start like is it next weekend? The play well,
the play in is the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Are they? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You think of the playing games feel like a regular
season game. The playing games feel like the playoffs. You
will I will not miss a player game.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, Laker last year.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I don't care what it's classified.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
By the way, can I just give you a shout
out for that Zach Edy discussion we had first hour?
It was good. I just checked my phone. I had
like four friends texting a lot of disagreement on whether
or not Zach Edy can be like a viable pro
and you should take him early. People seem divided on this.
You're hot for Edie.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I wasn't a year ago. It's called new information. He's
a much more dominant player. The air thing is he's
seven four, three hundred pounds. Dude's in good shape. There's
a lot of times Biggs look awkward. You know, they're
not coordinated, they're sloppy like that dude is It's like
Yannis you got abs, like Zach Edy is strong.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But we see chet Holmgren and wee Bin Yaman. I'm like,
I want that much.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I don't think he's that kind of player.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Those are Wenby could be the best player in the
league by the All Star break next year. Yeah, okay,
and check Holmgren looks like an All Star. I'm not
saying that. I'm saying you tell me you can't play.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But is Edie going to dominate, say bam out of Bayo?
Is he going to totally wreck.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Now Bam out of Bayou? Who's an All Stark? But
can he be on the floor with Bamana Bayou and
serve himself? Okay? Can you give me sixteen minutes a night,
nine point seven rebounds a block, A very serviceable, rotational player.
I think that's reasonable for a bad team, maybe a
starter occasionally.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I don't want to go into a bad you go
to Charlotte, it's over. Well, you know, we'll see in
ten years when you're playing in Turkey or Servier.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yes, Charlotte's having a rough run NBA decades. Chefsky retired,
Roy Williams out could be a long decade.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
That used to be a hotbed for basket Remember Larry
Johnson and Alonso Morning.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Oh yeah, So Bronnie James, according to Sean Sharanya, is
viewed as an NBA caliber defender by teams you know
that are going through draft decisions. So this is what
we said yesterday. If you're all worked up over this story,
era lebron hater, you're telling on yourself. The twenty thirteen
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draft is probably the worst draft ever. Anthony Bennett was
number one. You were taking like rotational players in the
top ten. Best player was Giannis. Arguably second best player
was Rudy Gobert. He was late first and it took
him years to develop. This this is a bad draft,
which is amazing to me because the NFL on an
annual basis, can you give you brock perty as the
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last player picked in the seventh round. Half the NFL
starters are undrafted guys like Antonio eight, Kurt Warner, Tony Romo,
undrafted great football players. This year there may be like
two to three really good players and that's it in
two rounds. So I said yesterday. He's a smart kid.
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He's a hard worker. I made one phone call and
they said, in this draft you could take him at
the fifty fifth pick if you were the Lakers. He's
going to get better because of his physical situation, the
cardiac arrest. He's not the same player he was before that.
Mick cronin UCLA basketball coach recruited him, saw him a
lot in high school and talked about him yesterday.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
You imagine growing up sitting watching basketball games and talking
to your dad.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Your dad is Lebron James, but he's to you as
your dad.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
The big advantage of if your parent was a good player,
because you've been taught the game a lot of legacy
players now it's not tall. I mean in recruiting a
I try to search for him. So it's a huge
advantage when you can grow up around that, because not
only so Lebron, he talks to his dad. Who do
you think his dad's friends are other good players?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Right?
Speaker 6 (05:03):
I mean, look who they're you know. Look, so you're
just you're so far advanced and you don't even know
it that by the time you're thirteen, how much basketball
you really know?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, so I have no problem. If the Lakers said,
all right, we'll draft you fifty fifth pick, it's about
a million dollars a year. We just signed Lebron to
one hundred and eighty million dollar contract, so so we're
paying one hundred and eighty one million dollars for Lebron
James and his son. I'm okay with it. Also, the
Lakers need defenders, wing defenders and shooters, and he's you know,
getting better as a shooter. So listen, we may not
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have one single domestic star in this draft, which is crazy.
I mean, that's crazy, but it tells you what's happening
to our basketball culture in America. That's a different topic,
but this is a bad draft. You can't tell me
you're worked up over you know, Lebron James soon getting drafted.
I said this yesterday on the show. Every time you're
(05:54):
on the freeway, you see a plumbing truck, doesn't it
say Johnson and Sons? Right, how'd you get into law school? Oh?
Your your dad went there. You didn't really quite qualify
there were Yeah, okay, it's this is the way if
you started a business. I did three years ago. I
started with people I knew. I'm okay with it. It's
not like you can't play. It's not like you're asking
him to be a lottery pick in a terrible draft.
(06:16):
Can he go to the Lakers? Defender? Can shoot? I
don't know? Played college? Here? With that, we bring in
Nick Right first things first, joining us Live. Yeah. My
take on the brownie thing is the way the world
works is everybody, I mean, this is the way college works.
(06:37):
How many times has somebody asked me, can you get
can you get my daughter or son an internship at Fox?
Like that's the world. If Bronnie gets drafted fifty fifth,
I'm like, I'm okay with it. What do you make
of it?
Speaker 7 (06:50):
I mean, maybe you're okay with it, Colin, But I'm
highly critical of those types of family connections, and I
discussed that about ninety minutes ago on What's Right with
Nick Right podcast and YouTube show I host with my
son that you can catch everywhere.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 8 (07:05):
I mean, I mean, like this is the anyone checked
the Patriots power structure because I'm pretty sure Robert Kraft's son, Jonathan.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
Craft, is in the process of hiring Elliott Wolf to
be their full time GM son of Ron Wolf. And
Elliott Wolf's right hand man is the son of a
longtime patriot.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Like Listen, we.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Have been fine for years with nepotism in front offices, coaching,
and ownership in sports.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
We see it all over the.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
Place in sports and in real world businesses. And if yes,
we have and here is where I would push back
even further against the criticism, which is, we have seen
players not nearly Lebron James Cashet be able to help
out their siblings Jr. The Knicks signed Jr. Smith's brother
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Chris to a contract as.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Part of the recruitment of Jr.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
The entire anting Goupo bloodline has been getting NBA paychecks
seemingly because of Giannis and so I would totally understand
if a team says, all right, what are the probabilities
of a second round pick panning out? A late second
round pick historically less than ten percent. So yeah, take
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a flyer on Lebron on Bronni James, you know, if
for no other reason than the name and what it
will do for our relationship with Lebron. What is to
me the more interesting question is this one, Colin, and
I do not think this is gonna happen because I
do think Lebron is gonna stay with the Lakers. But
if Lebron were actually open to leaving the Lakers this offseason,
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what pick would you trade straight up to have Lebron
ja As on a reasonable contract. Would he be worth
the twentieth pick of the draft A year twenty two,
forty year old Lebron James, we were worth the twenty
fourth pick of.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
The draft if he is open to leaving. Would a team,
a contending team.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
Like say the Knicks or the Sixers spend a first
round pick on Bronni because they're actually spending the pick
on securing Lebron.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
That's gonna happen, but that's an interesting thought exercise. But
of course, the Lakers spending the fifty fifth pick on
Bronni James shouldn't bother anybody unless they have an axe
to grind with Lebron.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So I was saying this, I've been arguing with the
Jmack it's the weakest draft. They're saying since the Anthony
Bennett draft may be worse. There's no domestic stars in
the top three or four. And I said with Zach Edie,
the entire NBA uses the same data and analytics, and
then Minnesota said, yeah, we're gonna We're gonna go with
two centers, and they're the number one seed in the West.
(09:59):
By the way, I saw this with David Robinson, Duncan,
the Twin Towers in Houston. They're like, you know what,
We're gonna switch it up and do something different. We
see this in the NFL, where, maybe because they had to,
Tennessee said we're gonna be a run team and they
ended up the number one seed in the AFC. So
I'm I am for contrarian thinkers. My take on Zach
Edy is he got an NBA big in foul trouble
all night, a big that had dominated players. He scored
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thirty seven, he had no real help. One other guy
scored twelve. He had no real help. And he he
is a different player than a year ago when he
was very good. A year ago, but he seems stronger
seven four to three hundred, and he's kind of ripped.
He doesn't move great, but he moves well enough to
be an NBA draft pick, and a bad draft doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
So I have evolved on Edie as well, because if
a guy putting up a forty and ten in the
Elite eight doesn't make you move, then why play the games?
If a guy going thirty seven and ten in the
championship game against the you know, most dominant other seven
foot are in college basketball doesn't at least make you
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adjust your eyes, than what will I'm going to add
another element here, Colin, And it's not.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
That this guy can be a star.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
But if you'd asked me three months ago about Zach Edie,
I'd have said he's Boban Marjanovitch. I don't think that anymore.
I think he is more than that because of what
we saw him do. And the other element is this,
he played every single minute last night. How much better
will he look athletically if he's playing eighteen or twenty
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minutes of a forty eight minute game rather than thirty
nine and a half minutes of a forty minute game.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
You know, our mutual friend and.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Regular Herd guest, Kevin O'Connor throughout an interesting draft team
for him, which was I heard you and j Mack
talk about how he would do against Bam. What about
him alongside Bam? What about the Miami Heat? Saying we
have Bam who can spread the floor offensively, Zack can
stay closer to the basket on that side of the ball,
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and then Bam can rove defensively and handle some of
those coverages that we think Zach couldn't deal with.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
I do think he's an NBA.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
Player, and I know that Klingon is considered the far
better NBA prospects. I don't think that Klingon will be
a better NBA player than Zach Edy. I don't think
either will be stars, and I'm not even sure either
is a long term starter. But I do think Zach
Edy's an NBA player, and I.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Didn't think that at the beginning of this season.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I was saying, if they were movies, Kentucky Basketball is
Barbie and Yukon is Oppenheimer, a historic three hour movie
on the atomic bomb, and it swept through the Awards.
You'd say, to yourself, who's gonna sit through three hours?
It's a history lesson. But that's what they are. It's
a serious program for serious people. And I watched them
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last night, and I gotta tell you, I don't know
where they rank it. They remind me a bit of
the Villanova team, maybe deeper that had Jalen Brunton Eric
Pascal Michale Bridge is like, yeah, you're not. This is
just just too many good players. But I just I
look at this program and I'm like, did they surpass
Duke last night? Over the last twenty five years as
America's best college basketball program?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Well over the last twenty five years, they are, without
a question America's best college basketball program.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
They have six titles. I think they have as many.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
They have more titles in the last twenty five years
than Duke has in its history. The question is are
they now officially a quote blue blood unquote and if so,
do we have to kick somebody out or is there
you know, a limitless supply? And no, I mean that
because Ucla, Kentucky, North Carolina, Indiana, Duke. There's five Yukon's
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better than all of them over the last quarter century
and historically really only Kentucky and Ucla have them far
trump and you could argue North Carolina has them ticked.
But what to win six titles with three different coaches
to now have a back to back championship run Colin
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where no one covered, no one came within a dozen points.
Both of these things can be true against their current competition.
It's one of the most dominant teams ever and they
are not one of the twenty best college basketball teams,
this year's Yukon team of all time, just because of
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the way the sport has changed. I smiled a bit
when they mentioned at the broadcast that this is the
first national championship game to have two starting seven footers
in forty years and the one forty years ago was
ewing A Lajaha, And I was like, Okay, yeah, the
sport's a little different. Like forty years ago we got
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Ewing Alajuan going in for the national title and this
year we have Edie Klingon. So the sports changed and
Yukon has you know, dominated And credit to Hurley, who listen.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Hurley's in the.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Same you know bucket of coaches as I kind of
mentally put in, uh Nick Sirianni where it irritates me,
like why are you yelling the Edie? Why are you
shoving your own player on the court. But unlike Sirianni,
he has gotten it done in the biggest moments of
the biggest spots, and he's unquestionably right now has earned
(15:29):
the title as the best coach in the sport I
wish you would, you know, chill a little bit, ramp
it down a touch, but I guess it's not his style.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So we were talking about this with Yannis, so be
very very careful. I got into this discussion with somebody
about a month ago. I said, be very very careful
about wanting power. What you want is culpability to blame others,
because if you have all the power, things go sideways.
You take all the heat. And I said, powers overrated.
(15:57):
I used to think it was everything. Now it's that
on and I look at Jannis and he has power.
And so they moved off Budenholzer, who won a title,
and then they move off Adrian Griffin, and then they
moved off to Drew Holiday to make him happy with Dame.
And now Doc Rivers isn't working. And I'm like, okay,
but you're not close to Boston, you don't match up,
you don't have their depth. You're just simply not as good.
(16:20):
And in the West you're a five hundred team. Go
look at them at twenty nine games against the West
this year, like fifteen and fourteen.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
They're a team.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And so in the West they'd be I don't think
they're as good as the Lakers, and I don't think
they're as talent in it quite as I don't think
they're as good as Golden State. And I know they're
not as good as the Lakers. They're not Denver, forget it. Okay. See,
So my takeaway is if they get bounced Sterly and
now that Embiid is back and they if they played Milwaukee,
I would take the Sixers and Embiid over Milwaukee and Michael, Yeah,
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what happens if Giannis in the box get bounced Sterly? Nick?
I do not believe Jannis is gonna go Yeah, I'm
good with it. Let's run it back. Where are they
as a franchise?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
All right? So a lot there.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Now we know from Jannis last year there are no losses.
There are just lessons. But that would be one hell
of a lesson going out in round one and back
to back years. Once is the one seed and once
is the two seed. In your scenario, this is the
one silver lining because spoiler alert, you know this was
my pick to win the championship and I don't want
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to change those picks, but I don't have a lot
of evidence to back that up.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Over the last two months of the season.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
But if you're looking for silver linings to this swoon
is dropping to the three line is actually advantageous for them,
even though they've struggled with Indiana. You would much rather
deal with either Cleveland that's falling apart or Indiana in
round one than Philly, which I know they have a
very tattered playoff history Philly with EMBIID. You do not
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want Philly in round one with how they have looked lately,
and that's.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Who they would get as the two seed.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
But to your bigger picture question, Yannis on the precipice
of us talking about him in all time Pantheon terms,
and I'm not saying he's no longer you know that's
no longer eligible for him. But you went back to
back MVP, he's a defensive Player.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Of the Year.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
You follow that up with a finals MVP where you
score fifty to win the title, coming back from two
to zero down, and it's like, oh my god, where
are we headed from here? You then are up three
to two on Boston and you know Tatum gets you
in that game six and you lose it. You get
blown out in game seven. You then lose as a
one versus eight the next year you add dame if
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you go out again before the conference finals. Yeah, I
think Giannis, despite signing the extension, will start to be
looking around. And yeah, of course a lot of that
would have to fall on his broad shoulders. Like you,
individual players, you know how I feel about this. It
is unfair to be like, oh, why didn't you win
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the title in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
It is not unfair to say, why didn't you get
out of round one in consecutive seasons? That is a
fair question. And if people remember Kobe Bryant after Shack left,
they missed the playoffs, They then blow a three to
one leading round one, They then losing round one, and
what happened after that? Kobe's in a parking lot, caught
(19:26):
on candid camera talking bad about Andrew Bynham, goes on
Steven A's radio show and start and ask for a trade.
They salvage it by bringing in Pow and then obviously
they go on a run. But all time great players
that feel like I should be winning more than I am,
they very often then start looking around, even if we
feel like they are locked into that team for life.
(19:49):
So yeah, this is a very precarious and important next
few weeks for Milwaukee and Giannis I.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Said yesterday, there's not many Caitlin Clarks. A lot of
athletes r the wave, even stars. She was the wave,
you know, like like Michael Jordan is to me, he
left the NBA loft lost half its ratings. That's the
biggest icon in any sport. I think Tiger Woods change
viewing habits. His golf ball made hundreds of millions of
(20:16):
dollars for Nike, not the not the clubs, the golf ball.
Everything changed TV ratings. H Then you get into you know,
obviously a Tony Hawk, you know, you get into these
guys that drove video games one. Yeah, yeah, I mean
I think that Sean White husein Bolt. There's a lot
Michael Phelps, Caitlin Clark. You can argue is is after
(20:38):
Michael and Tiger. You could put in the three spot.
I didn't yesterday, but I think there's an argument to
be made. What do you make of her legacy?
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Listen, she is in the room for the conversation of
the greatest women's college basketball player ever. Now, I can't
share Whenever people prior to four years ago, if someone said,
who's the greatest women's player ever. I would have always
said Cheryl Miller, Yes, But to be fair, that's just
because that's what I was told. You know, I consider
(21:09):
myself a basketball historian, but you can't really be an
expert on women's college basketball of the eighties unless you
watched it. Like the archives aren't on YouTube. Even all
of the box scores aren't available, so that's a tough one.
Prior to Caitlin Clark, the best player I had seen
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as a kid was shamik Wi holds Claw and as
an adult was Diana Tarazi. I understand Brianna Stewart has
the Brianna Stewart for four seasons, four titles, three Player
of the Year awards. That seems unimpeachable. You dig into
it a little bit further. Brianna Stewart. The year after
she left Yukon, they were thirty six and oh headed
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into the Final four and lost by two in overtime.
The year after that, they were thirty six and oh
head of the Final four and lost in overtime. So
as great as she was, she had one of the
greatest all time collections of talent around her.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
When Yukon was really, really rolling.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
I don't think I've ever seen a female player better
than Caitlin Clark. I know there's never been a more
impactful one. And I do think that if you want
to say she didn't win a title, she's ineligible for
the goat conversation, that's fine, But I think you also
have to ask yourself, hey, was there a single player
on Iowa other than Caitlyn Clark that would have gotten
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minutes for South Carolina? The only thing standing between South
Carolina and three straight national championships and an eighty two
game winning streak right now is that Caitlin beat him
a year ago. And so I don't know if she
is the goat, she's in the room of goats. What
she is, unquestionably is a transcendent player at the best
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time possible for the sport that I don't know that
the WNBA, In fact, I do know it's not going
to do the ratings the Women's tournament did. But I
also know that I among I must not have been
the only one that today looked on Seat Geek or
Stub Hubb or whomever like, hey, when are the Indiana
Fever coming to my city? And I found out by
(23:17):
just looking at for the New York Liberty. What ticket
was five times more expensive than all the other ones,
and it was the Indiana Fever game.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
And you can check that out city by city.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
So I do think he's gonna have a real impact
on the WNBA, even if you don't see it. For
you know, nineteen million people watching the championship.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Way, it's a sport that's growing and growing. And then
they got their icon. And you know, you could say
this too when when David Stern took over the NBA
there were levels of popularity. Some say he saved it.
It was magic and bird and all of a sudden, Oh,
here comes Michael And So I think women's basketball has
absolutely it's much better than twenty five years ago when
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Cheryl Miller left the sport could not sustain ratings. I
do think it'll sustain a big chunk of its ratings.
I think there's a new world, and the new world
is the quality of the product is pretty darn good
in a time of the year there's not a lot
of urgency.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
And I'm going to say one other thing, and I'm listen,
my son who lives second mentioned of my son on
the Today Show, who lives in La he got to
go watch her in person. I'm jealous of you, guys.
The young lady at USC Juju who lost in the
elite eight to page in Yukon. She has real star
quality as well. And while she's not the range shooter
(24:34):
that Caitlyn is, she is almost not almost, she is
a more dazzling ball handler. Yes, the comp I would
have for her is almost a female Kyrie Irving stylistically,
and I think she can ride that wave that you're
talking about where we actually care and are watching women's
basketball and numbers we haven't before, and she will draw eyeballs.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
She will, to me, is a more exciting draw than
anything on the men's side of things.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
Next year and we could see her for the next
few years at USC, which is great.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, Duke's gonna have a really good player names escape me?
Is it Connor Cooper Flag? Is that at Cooper Flagg? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:09):
So oh yeah yo, the freshman. Yeah, he's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah. So both men's and women's are gonna have, you know,
an ascending star and that's good for the sport. Nick Wright,
buddy is good as old as to see you and
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Speaker 1 (25:46):
So when you were gone using the bathroom, we were
talking about this as a staff Jmac. The difference between
a regular season game and a playoff game in any
sport is usually that if you lose a playoff game,
your season is old, and if you win, you go
somewhere else. In the regular season, you just lose game.
So the NBA regular season closes Sunday night, the play
(26:08):
in start Tuesday, and those to me are the playoffs.
So in the NCAA tournament, you know those last couple
of games to play in, well that's the start of
the tournament, so they view them as tournament games. So
to me, the play in games, if you lose, you
could beat, your season's over. That's never the case in
the regular season NBA game. If you win, you can advance.
(26:28):
So anytime you play somebody and the losers done and
the winner advances, that's a playoff. So that's why I
consider it like Tuesday, the NBA playoffs start. The tournament
doesn't start March Madness starts with those play in games.
That's the tournament.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So I guess my pushback would be. So, let's say
you're a coach of a team that made the play
in two years in a row. Okay, you go to
management looking for a new contract. Hey, I just made
the playoffs two years in a row. You didn't make
the playoff. Dude, you made the play in, you didn't
make the playoffs. That's where it becomes tricky. Coaches can
now lock coaches. Hey, give me an extension, I made
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Well, NBA coaches get fired after taking their teams to
the finals. I mean, budenholes are won a title an
hour later, he's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Nobody's arguing it's that argument is well, I could argue
if you're in the playing game back to back years
and the owners think you're more talented than that, you're
getting fired regardless. But you starting Tuesday, you could your
season could be over if you lose or you advance
potentially if you win a couple of them. So to me,
I I just know how I feel when I watch
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the playing game.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
There is a gravity to the game that is like,
holy cow, this means all, this means only onto it.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Oh my god, Lebron's season could be over. I never
feel that in the regular season. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
All right, So Chicago Bears, your new favorite team in
the league right where Jets Bears show from now on.
Bears have the first and ninth picks in this month's draft.
We know they're going Caleb Williams at one, but recently
the Bears brought in Marvin Harrison Junior on a pre
draft visit, which led to speculation they could try to
do what the Texans did last year and trade up
(28:14):
to get a second pick in the top five. I
had not considered this at all. That's really scary to
think that the Bears could be like, let's go get
Marvin Harrison, Caleb Williams, we got DJ Moore. Any shot
they give Harrison Junior here?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Like, no, no way.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I like Romadoons. I don't know if he'll be there
at nine.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Harrison's better than Roma Doomson certainly.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
So would you trade up to get him.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I don't like trading up for anybody except a quarterback.
But he's not going to be available to the Bears,
and the Bears are going to go to that defensive player,
probably because their coach is going to say, give me
a break. Keenan.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Allen might not be there in a year. I don't
know that he's going to have that much cloud.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, coaches still make more than GM's and they do
have a little power. I think Matt Ebrablus is going
to bang on the table. And I also think they
need help on the defensive side. They have a great
corner in Montese sweat. They need another edge.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Okay, So if you're the owner of the Bears, you say, okay,
the coach wants this guy ninth a defender.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Well, the owners of the Bears are older and connect them.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, he might be fought. We don't even know, ifever FLUSSI.
They're in October. If they start going four right, probably toast.
Why are we letting them pick, have the ninth pick,
or have any sway over it.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
We're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
It's best for our philosophy as a Bears franchise is what.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Is their philosophy?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
We need to get offensive. We have never had a fire.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So they have both tackles, two tight ends, two receivers,
a good back. What's not offensive?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Another receiver?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think they're receiving course five, DJ Moore and Keenan
Allen way better than average. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
we got buffaloes bringing to the table.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Keenan Allen is he ever fully healthy?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
He had like a hundred some catches last year and.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
He's worn down. There's a reason the Chargers moved off him,
and it ain't just financially.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He's gonna get to that warm Chicago weather and be reboil.
Oh yeah, warm?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
What is it thirty two degrees there today? I don't
know if they get Marvin Harrison Junior, I will officially
do I have a Vegas trip planned? I don't think
I do. I'll be going there and putting the division.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
What is the Bears over under? I think it's like
eight Vegas draft. Kings is a believer, I mean seven
and a half to eight. So the Bears are they're
telling you Justin Field's won ten games in three years.
Draft Kings in Vegas is telling you this kid's better
than the last kid. They're telling you that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Right, divisions better, Lions are legit.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And that's what's telling you. The division's better. And we
still think this kid will win almost as many games
as Justin Fields did in three years. That tells you
the gap between Fields and Caleb. Because the division is better.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
It significant. All right, let's get to uh the New
York Jets. Colin I was trying to tease it in
the first hour, but this defense is no joke at
this point. They added Hassan Reddick and Javon Kinlaw, former
Niners defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
On kin Law.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
New York now has a league high eight former first
round picks on the defensive side of the football eight eight.
They finished third in total yards allowed last season. They
were an elite defense.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Does Ken Law play like a first round pick?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Does he have to when he's next to Quitt Williams's
Reddick in company? Remember they got the young kid McDonald
from Iowa State last year. Look at the list of
dudes they got. So that's why they can lose huff
and be like, oh, we've still got McDonald.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh yeah, j Mosley when he's healthy. Ken Law has
been a bit of a bust. Yeah, Sauce Gardener's okay.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Sauce Gardner's okay. Look at that count.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I do like Quentin Williams and Sauce. Jermaine Johnson's got
a lot of talent.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
He's so good.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, he's I think he blocks. I'm not worried about this,
but you do realize nobody can stop anybody when he
gets down to it. You got to have to move
the chains. That's going to be the key.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I think the Jets didn't. They almost beat the Chiefs
last year, they beat the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
They almost did.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I can't believe you're not on board this.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I got a forty year old quarterback, prickly battle line
off an achilles surgery, and the defensive coach on the
Hokit and the.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Bills lost like five starters on defense and their best receiver,
and it's got Josh Allen and the Dolphins had lost
like five starters on defense, I think two on the
offensive line. I'm just telling Jets are winning the division.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
God, it's just too early for this. Can't you hold
this off until like August twenty eighth?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Through fair enough. August twenty eighth. I think that's officially
a vacation final story.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
How about this one?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Klay Thompson big game tonight for the Warriors against the Lakers.
So I can't tell where this is coming from, but
according to Tim Kawakami reputable journalists, one of the worst
kept secrets in the NBA is that the Orlando Magic
want Klay Thompson and they might offer him a ton
of money this summer. Orlando has young talent, Yeah, don't
(32:48):
really have the shooters. Orlando shockingly is like third in
the East right now.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I didn't even realize. It tells you a lot about
the East. But you know, they've had a lot of
good draft picks and they've hit on the couple they have, and.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It looks like they're gonna be able to come off
like thirty million in salary with a couple of dudes
they could move on from and free up.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Cash for Clay.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Now we know California taxes are abysmal, Clay goes to Florida,
we know the tax situation there. And by the way,
Clay kind of closing out here strong twenty points per game, ye,
really good shooting splits over the last month forty six
five Collins. Is Orlando in play? Or is this Clay's
(33:24):
camp thin Golden State, We'll go to Orlando.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Clay Thompson's value in the East with this team could
be substantial. Kirk cousins value in the NFC South with
Atlanta is substantial. Kirk cousins value in the AFC West
against Herbert Mahomes Harbor Andy Reid would not be a
substantial So I do think there's probably something to this.
They're a young team, they need shooters. The East is weaker,
(33:50):
and the.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Kid Pods is basically he has replaced them.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, nice player breaking.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Up the Splash Brothers day. What a run they had.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
We gotta break up everything. Trees don't growing forever.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
All right, move on, there's a little set you have
to be. You feel a little bit sad if Clay
leaves the words. I mean, that was historic stuff.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
What they do.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't feel bad Byron Scott in the Lakers back court.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Or Orlando's a fine town. I don't feel sad for
anybody getting one hundred and fifty million bucks living in
a state with no state taxess. At Disneyland or disney World.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
You're just all about the Benjamins.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I'm just saying I'm gonna tell you something that's your landing.
If that, if that's the Golden Parachute, the executive, I'm
not gonna There's people to feel sorry for in America.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I'm not sorry for Clay. I'm sorry for the end
of something beautiful. Well beauty and Clay Thompson was spectacular.
Basketball not that beautiful anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okay, you need a little make I have a heart
or is it I have a heart, but it's not
as beautiful. There's a reason the Warriors would let it happen.
You run in this like it's don't you have like
some share in a soccer team or something.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Haven't?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Are you gonna fall in love with players? You're gonna
fall in likely.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Sorry, I'm talking about my love for the Golden State Worries.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
First all, I loved them too. I've been I'm pro
Dubs all the way I think they're I mean, I
talk about that more than any franchise, even more than Theakers.
I would say, or it's closed.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
So the night before you know, Fox hired me twenty sixteen.
Then the night before I moved out here, he dropped
forty fifty whatever the number was in Game six against
Okay See, And I remember watching it. We I refused
to cancel cable until the last second, had the moving
boxes and the TV propped up, and just watching Clay
go off. That was one of the great games.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Who's out against Okay See?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Okay see? It was Game six in Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
One of the great NBA games this century. Clay just
went off. It was Oh, I still remember it. I'm
a soft spot for I guess I'm a historian. Like
Nix six Sid.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Were a couple of historians. Well, there's got to be
an accountant in the room that takes care of business.
I stand on business. J Mackley news, Well that's the news.
The Herd love my dad. Michael Thompson's a big deal
in LA. He's a Laker voice, very nice guy. I
like Clay Thompson. But everything has trees don't grow to
the sky. I think you know, things eventually move on.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
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Speaker 1 (37:31):
So Draymond Green is a podcast on the volume, and
he's very good at that, and he's raw and authentic,
and he was interviewing for the first time Klay Thompson.
So he's had Steph on before, he's had Steve Kerr
on before, He's had big stars all over the league.
Clay Thompson's pretty reluctant guy, pretty reticent, doesn't and then
like a lot of publicity, very chill, really nice kid,
good fam So Draymond brings him on and Draymond goes
(37:53):
a little uh. He doesn't ask him a question that's prepared.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Draymond's a very coachable, prepared podcaster, but with Clay, he
goes off script and asks him this question.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
I want to ask you this question, and I want
to ask it because I'm afraid of answer when I
get ejected or something of that nature or suspended. What
do you feel? How do you feel now?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Andrea kind of a kind of a throwback player. When
you're not out there, it's like a piece of us
is gone. And me and Steph are really nice guys,
like probably too nice, no, and we can never be
ourselves and have the freedom.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
And we do on the court without you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
So yeah. I've said before is Draymond's much more of
an offensive player than people understand because he's such a
catalyst the screen setting, the passing, the ball handling. He's
very valuable. But there I always felt the Splash Brothers
got the notoriety, but it was and Draymond that were
sort of the soul of the team. And then Klay
Thompson was this sharpshooter who every once in a while
(39:06):
would just take over, take over a half, and it
was the most brilliant thing you've ever seen. It's very
much Jerry West and Gail Goodrich. West was the star player.
Gail Goodrich was a sharpshooter who in moments when I
was a kid growing up, number twenty five would take
over games, takeover halves. Wes was the great player, but
you know, Draymond Green. It gets a lot of pushback,
(39:27):
but I will say this is that he is willing
not only to do the tough stuff. I always sort
of said he was the bouncer at a bar where
a lot of guys are wearing skinny jeans. Everybody needs
a tough guy. You need it hockey, you need it.
In the NBA, Ben Wallace for the Pistons was a
little bit of this. An intimidator. The Knicks had intimidators
and they were romanticized, and Bill Lamber was an intimidator
(39:50):
and he's been romanticized. Draymond Green is the same thing
that he is really really offensively valuable and sometimes crosses
a line. I do think it's very difficult to be
the bouncer at a club because like you are in
these high, high intensity physical battles, and the line is
(40:10):
really close between intimidating and inappropriate. But Jay Mack, what
did you make of that? Did you sense Draymond had
a little guilt? Without answer, I was just looking.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
It's interesting. We just talked about Clay Thompson possibly going
to the Orlando Magic. Now we're hearing Klay Thompson doing
a podcast with Draymond Green. What's going on with the Warriors?
Colin is this like a is Draymond? Why did he
have him on now to talk about this before the
playoffs big game against the Lakers come up. I'm always
suspect of the timing. What's what's really the agenda here
for Draymond Green?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
What do you think it is?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I don't know. I'm asking you.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
You know the guy?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well, I think he had Steve Kerr and Stefan. I
just think he wanted Clay and Clay finally gave him
a thumbs up. I don't think there's a motive. You
think there's a motive.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I don't had a lot of opportunities have Clay Thompson
on his podcast. Clay is this could be the last
dance for the Warriors. So you're thinking, I think last
dance for for Draymond and Golden State. But you seem
to think he's locked in.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I think Kerr loves him. I think Kerr. I mean,
never forget that Jordan Pool video. They weren't mad at Draymond.
They were mad at got out.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
What about all the technicals and ejections this year?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Are they mad with thatshid Wallace? Got a lot of them.
I covered him. I mean, by the way, it's it's
the reality is Michael Jordan punched the teammate. I mean,
it's funny.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Michael Jordan's winning titles Raymond Green Guy four, he has four.
He was on a team, he was integral, but not
even more.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Is you lost that argument?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Is he integral anymore?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
They're tenth in the West partially the team he is
when he plays, they win when he doesn't. Their records egregious.
It's bad. Never forget. Steve Kerr was upset the video leaked,
not necessarily the team was an outrage that the punch.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
We should do.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
We should do what he did.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I'll be Clay, you be Draymond and j Max. What
do you think about when I mean to your jet?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
When I mean to your jets, It's impossible not to
be seem.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I really root for it. You just take craps out
of every chance you get.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
That sounds like a you problem. Hey, Logan Ryan with
breaking news today hanging them up joins us next
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