November 6, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin talks to 7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady about what makes the Chiefs and Lions clear Super Bowl favorites through 9 weeks
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of your day. On the day after an election. Tom
Brady in a couple of minutes, Sean McVay in a
little over an hour and fifteen minutes. So last night
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they had the first college football rankings. I don't get
too worked up over in Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia, Miami,
Texas is just out of that top four. Texas would
beat Miami, Texas would be to Ohio State. Think Texas
could beat Oregon. I think if they played Georgia again,
Texas would win. I still think Texas is the best
looking team I've seen. They just got hammered at home
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against Georgia. Uh, they got a little into their fields.
And Georgia was deeply offended. I think Miami, you're voting
for cam Ward and nostalgia. Uh, They're they're They're I
don't think they're as good as these other teams. Oregon's
the best team I've seen all year in terms of
every time I watch Oregon, they're better. I think Texas
has better talent. You know, I talked about this earlier.
I think that the College Football Playoff is the illusion
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of inclusion. It makes you feel better. We're letting the
Boise States in, and that's great and that and that's fun.
I still think football much more than even basketball. And
we know the number one, two, three, and four seats
dominate college basketball. The blue bloods, you know, Villanova with
Jay Wright, Carolina's, Kansas, Yukon, you know, the Arizona's football
even more so because you lose players in these big games.
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You get players injured. So a small school like a
Boise State, they can't play Ohio State then played Georgia
that they just can't do it. They can knock off
in Oklahoma using some trick plays with a great coach
Chris Peterson. That can happen. But I think you're gonna
find out by the end of the year. I was
looking today at like Indiana. If this thing started today,
Indiana would open at Tennessee and then they would have
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three neutral site games to get to the national championship
against you know, your Ohio States and your Georgia's. It's
just not gonna work right now. They haven't played anybody
BYU hasn't played anybody. I think it makes everybody feel better,
more people that are invited to the party, at least
for one day you get the VIP pass. But I
still think when I look at this, I think Texas
has the most talent. I think Georgia's second most talent,
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And I think Oregon and Ohio State are really, really,
really good teams. Even when you get down to six
and seven, like Penn State, I don't think Penn State's
close to a national championship team. I don't think Miami's
close to a national championship team. I like Tennessee. I
thought that that was my pick at the beginning of
the year. I thought Tennessee and Texas. Tennessee's pulled back
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a little bit their eighth I do think they could
win a couple of games, though, And with that seven
times Super Bowl champ Tom Brady twenty three years, best
quarterback to ever play the game. So I was thinking
about this tom as I'm watching Kansas City. I still
feel like I said, they're like an electric vehicle that's
only charged about fifty percent. They're not They're kind of
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trying to figure out what they are back up running back.
They don't know what to do with Xavier Worthy. They
just kind of go back your Randy Moss team Boom.
You knew very early at special But did you ever
have a team that won a Super Bowl but in
the middle of a season you didn't quite know what
the offensive identity was? Because that's what I watched when
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I watched the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I actually think they do have a great offensive identity.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I think they look the game's about winning.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
We talk about points, you talk about you know, yards,
and you talk about penalties and defensive stops.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
To me, at the end of the game, do you
have more points than the other team.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
That's the maturity of a great team and a great organization.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I played on a lot of teams.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Some were a lot of offensive strengths, some had a
lot of defensive strengths.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Some years we.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Were kind of middle of the packet both, but we
played well situationally, third down, red area, two minute every year.
That's the best part about the NFL is the constant transition,
the constant change. Now you see they add DeAndre Hopkins
at the trade deadline.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
So it's like.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
In the end when you have Patrick Mahomes and it's
a one score game, everyone's always betting on the Chiefs. Now,
can someone get away from the Chiefs. I don't know,
because that defense plays so well. But I don't think
Patrick Mahomes is a lesser player because he doesn't have
twenty five touchdowns at this point. It's just he's not
playing with guys that can produce that from the receiver position,
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so that natural lee Patrick's job is to and I
covered him a few weeks ago when I said the
job of the quarterback is to manage all the variables
of the game and the season, injuries, whether the rhythm
of the offense, and then ultimately go out there and
make the plays that puts you in a position to win.
And that's what winners do, and certainly Patrick is that.
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And then he's got Andy Reid there, who's as great
of a coach, you know, in NFL history. He's on
the kind of the Mount Rushmore of coaches. So you
have this consistency of this organization from owner, general, manager, coach, quarterback,
and then to me a defensive coordinator in spags that
the way that defense plays puts them in a position
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to win every single week. So it's obviously they can
be beat. There's probably games where they could have been
beat this year, but every game is decided by a
few plays, and the reality of the Chiefs team is
they always find a way to make the plays when
it matters.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know, I remember when Randy Mots played with you,
when you guys brought a new player in and you
had talked at the time. You're like, you know Belichick
and you were like, he's just smart and he knows football.
So obviously DeAndre Hopkins doesn't know the entire playbook yet,
but I'm watching him and I'm like, especially that play
in the back of the end zone, I'm like, God,
you think they've had fifty practices. What is it about
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certain receivers with you, like Moss or or DeAndre Hopkins,
They don't have to know the playbook, But yet I
felt like had I just landed on the planet and
watched it. I would have never guessed he just showed
up at the facility. What was it with Moss? What
is it with a veteran receiver that a young receiver
just couldn't do?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
And that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So the reality is, is a great receiver, well, any
receiver that's a veteran knows what a knows what a
practice week's looks like. If they know how to run
all the routes in the offense, now they may not
know exactly where to line up because everyone has their
variations of words and descriptive words they use to get
people aligned, to get the protections organized, and then to
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call routes. Some people use number systems people use, some
people use words that people have to memorize. Some people
use a one term word that tells everybody what to do.
Kansas City does it kind of a myriad of different ways.
And then once DeAndre can really comprehend that, he's going
to say, oh, okay, that's what I used to call
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this outcut in Tennessee was like this, or in Houston
it was like Smith. But in case it's like this.
But I still know how to run the route. So
you have these veteran players that have the experience to
run the routes, to know the offenses. It's not like,
you know, when he played for Tennessee, the field was
a different size. You know, it's the same rules, it's
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the same routes. It's ultimately just how you call him.
So once he gets out there and he's confident in
what he has, you know he's going to look like
DeAndre Hopkins always has, which is you know, he's got
good quickness, he's got great catch radius, he's got this
in situational place to make catches like that, and certainly
as a rhetora target.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
And I just think if you look.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
At the Chiefs and their injuries at the receiver position,
to add someone like DeAndre who has that veteran presence
and no game is going to be too big for him.
He's playing a lot of big games. So that always
gives a quarterback a lot of confidence. I remember playing
with certain rookie receivers literally it was like the first
day of OTAs and I'd call like, hey, run a
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slant and he looked at me like a slant okay,
And that's kind of the most generic routeok since we're
running those in in in parking lots, you know, with
your friends. And there was a few guys I played
with that would they'd start the route slow, then they'd
speed up into the break, then they'd slow down coming
out of the break, and then they'd look for the
ball and I'd look at him and be like, what.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
The hell was that?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know, like, there's such a there's such a learning
curve that needs to happen from a rookie player. Whereas
when you get someone like DeAndre, you go, hey, Johndre,
run a slant and it looks like a slant. It
looks great, it's fluid, it's smooth, you can plan it.
So with a rookie, there's such a learning curve. There's
so many things to learn that you're never going to
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get that type of production in a short period of
time of the rookie that you can get with a
veteran unless that's just a very special rookie. And I've
had some of those. Those guys, to me, are more
anomalies than kind of what the norm is.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I know you probably haven't sat and watched too many
Denver games or Bears games, but when with the young quarterbacks,
Obviously they grew up in a different environment than you.
Seven on seven camps, way more snaps by the time
they're fifteen than you had. But go back to your career.
I remember you doing an interview with Jay Glazer once
and you're like, I've seen everything, dude, you could throw
anything at me. When was the time in your career?
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You're pretty a learned guy, You're very committed. How long
did it take? You know they always talk about things
slow down a little. How long Mahomes said it was
year three? What was it for you?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
The answer is it progressively gets more and more, And
I would say maybe a year one it's fifty percent
of the way that you want it, and then year
two it's sixty percent, and ultimately you're trying to get
to one hundred percent. But even I think for Patrick,
if I look at his situation and his development, he
was very lucky to sit behind and Patrick, let me
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get us out of the way. He is a phenomenal player.
To me, is you know he Lamar Josh Allen. You're
talking about the upper echelon, as we all know, and
Patrick is going to go down as one of the
greats ever. For a number of reasons. But if I
look at him, he went to college at Texas Tech.
He had Cliff Kingsbury there with him for three years,
an NFL caliber coach, running a lot of NFL caliber
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type calls and methodologies by what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So three years of that.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Then he goes to the Chiefs and he's got Alex
Smith as the guy that's ahead, who's a phenomenal player,
great leader, does everything the right way. And then he's
got Andy Reid as his play caller. So it's like
there's a reason why it all works, and there's this
development that happens and why Patrick has been able to
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ascend so quickly, and he would have found a way
to ascend at some point anyway. I'm just saying I
could never have reached this area of growth that I
needed to. Whether that was your one or three or five,
it was accelerated because of all the things that I
had in place when I was in college.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I ran a pro style offense.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, I got drafted, I had Bill Belichick teach me,
I got to sit behind Drew bledsoe. I worked really
hard to learn all those things and embrace the challenge.
And I think when you're a young quarterback. Ultimately, that's
what you're trying to do. Be in a situation where
you can learn, grow, develop. It's all about mentorship. It's
all about the people that come in your life. I
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see Bo Nicks from Denver. He's got Sean Payton there
as a phenomenal coach, Gonna get great coaching, They're gonna
have great scheme. A lot of times, the first reads
for him are going to be open because he's got
a great play caller that knows how to design things.
So then you go on the other side of it.
You know, I've seen a lot of quarterbacks that don't
make it. Maybe they wouldn't have made it anyway, but
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I'm just saying there's a potential that they could look
at Sam Darnold.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Now, he's playing really well in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
He's got a good he's got a good coach, he's
got a good scheme, he's got some good receivers.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
He's playing well.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You know, when he was at the Jets, he didn't
have all those things quite in place. So we always
have to look at I think the physical makeup of
these young players.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
What are they capable of?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
They do they have good arms, do they have great arms,
you know, are they athletic? Can they get out of
the pocket?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Can they?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
And then to me, there's a mental element that always
comes into quarterback play. And I said in this last
game against Green Bay, was watching Green Bay Lions this
last weekend. I said, there's no way for me to
really see sustained success in the NFL at the quarterback
position if you don't have total control of what's being
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done out on the field. If you're expecting your coach
to call a play from the sideline and that play
is gonna come into your helmet, you're gonna call it,
You're gonna walk to the line of scrimmage, and that
play's gonna be successful, regardless of the defense of Look,
you're out of your mind. That's not the way it works.
The defense calls plays to stop you, and they have
their own tendency. So it's up to the quarterback ultimately
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to decide. Okay, I got a play called. I see
what the defense is doing. Is this play gonna work
or not. If it's gonna work, you run it. If
it's not, what do I need to do to survive
the down or what do I need to do to
put us in a position to be really successful. That
to me is the operational control the quarterback's need. And
the problem is with the development of height of college
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programs now they're not getting developed in the same way.
Now they get to a pro program and a lot
of the NFL programs, there's so much.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Money going around, you know. The need to develop is.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Guys can sign one or two contracts and not develop
and still make a great living. So I would love
to see the quarterback play continue to evolve and grow.
It's only going to come from more time on task,
more time with your coaches, more understanding of what your
roles and responsibility are. You're supposed to develop a tool
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kit as a quarterback to deal with what you see
on the game every single day. I've seen Jared Goff
again covering him this last game. It was awesome to
watch in LA. He had a great system, he had
McVeigh to learn under. He brought that. He comes to
a phenomenal program in Detroit right now, where to me,
they're doing a lot of things the right way. Their
offensive coordinator Ben Johnson says, all right, Jared, we're going
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to put more and more on your plate. We're going
to give you a great opportunity to succeed, and you
have to have the ability to process a lot of information,
which is one of jared strengths, to actually implement all
those things, and when you do it well, to me,
that's what gets you to that's what gives you.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
A great chanceance to win every single week in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So Bill Belichick's had a couple of weeks ago when
asked about Detroit, He's like, they've got everything offensively. You
hope they make a mistake. And you just called the
game and green Bay's got a good team. It looked
like older brother, younger brother, let me teach you how
to play football. Go back, I mean Detroit O line tackles,
run game, tight end, quarterback. Go back to your career,
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because I felt like green Bay very quickly was like
we're a little out of our elements here. This is
a really really so go back to your career. Was
there ever a team you played and you may not
have said this to your teammates, but you thought to yourself,
I'm not sure they have a weakness like that is
Pro bowlers everywhere. I watched Detroit's offense, Tom, I don't
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know what the weakness is deep ball, slants, slots. Did
you ever face a team like that when you looked
at the personnel and thought it's almost a perfect offense?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I would say the only I would say the early
Colts offenses we faced. They had Saturday. They had Terry
Glenn tight End. They had Pollard, they had at times
Dallas Clark. They had Marvin, they had Reggie, they had Stokely,
they had Edgrin. They were so good and I'm lucky
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I didn't have to go against them.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I mean, to me, it was great.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Belichick would say, guys, listen, this would be a Wednesday meeting.
Understand this. They are gonna move the ball on us.
They're too good. They got so many guys, they're gonna
go up and down. We need to play good red
area defense, and we're gonna work on red area defense
on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday because that's going to decide
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the game. They're gonna get the ball down there. Which
is a great humility from a coach who's a defensive coach,
who's essentially the coordinator, to say, these guys are so good,
we're not gonna just you know, pull the wooldover eyes
and think that we're gonna keep these guys the two
hundred and forty yards offense they're gonna have. They're gonna
have yards. What we need to do is keep the
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points down. If we can keep the points down and
offensively we can control the game, we can run the ball,
and then we can score points, we're gonna give ourselves
a best chance to win. That to me is complimentary football.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
So when you play the Lions, the only way to
beat them is to play a style where the offense
compliments the defense and then the kicking game does their job.
Sometimes when you punt, you play great field position. Okay, offensively,
the best defense against the Lions offense, to me is
the meet is possessed the football. You don't want to
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make it a track meet against a team that can
run it. They throw it to their tight end, they
throw it to their receivers. When they get Jamison William back,
they have the explosive receiver. So there's so many and
they go for anun fourth downs so often. They you know,
you got to stop them for four downs, not just three,
which is a really hard thing to do. So there's
a lot of challenges that the Lions are presenting. And
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look the one game they did lose this year, they
were one of six in the red area. That's right
against the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So so to me, they.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Got a they got a great offense, and they got
a lot of humility, they got a great culture. To me,
they're doing so many things the right way in the
NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
So you're calling the San Francisco game this weekend, when
when you know, and I think Brock's a good player,
but I also think and the and the you're a
great example of this. Executives miss all the time on
players Antonio Gates and Tony Romo weren't drafted. There's players
all over. I watched the kid for the Rams this weekend.
Some undrafted safety had his fourth pick. There's talent everywhere.
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What was the thing when the first the first time
you saw Brock Purty. Obviously you weren't wowed by his size.
His arm strength is good enough. What was the first
thing that you saw I wouldn't see this. You would
see this and you thought that guy's pretty good. Like
if there's something that you see because you played the
position a tell like in poker, that you were like, yeah,
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that this kid's gonna.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Work, sure, So I think it's poise and composure. It's
calm under chaos. That's what the quarterback needs to do.
And he walks into that huddle, he needs ten other
guys looking at him go all right, man, you're you're
totally under control. And whatever you say we're gonna do
to our best league is because we know you're gonna deliver.
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And they all have that confidence in Brock is a player,
and you're right, Brock's not the biggest his arm strength
isn't like Aaron Rodgers. But if he can play with
anticipation in this offense, to me, even studying in the
last few days is a lot different than the one
that they had last year and the year before. They
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had so many weapons the last couple of years. You know,
Brock essentially was a point guard out there just delivering
balls to halfbacks and flip it out there to debone
gain yards.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
And then he he's got ayuk.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
You know, catching in cuts and running for a lot
as oh you forgot about kittle boom, We're gonna throw
over the top of you there. This offense has been
in and out of a lot of their great players,
and I think getting McCaffrey back is so important for
this offense because he provides that passing threat out of
the backfield that they just haven't had this year. So
now the defense has to come up closer to the
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line of scrimmage to defend the run with Christian as
well as the pass, and that to me opens up
more of the intermediate and deeper parts of the field
for Bruck where they've kind of been throwing more of
these intermediate type targets on the field, which I don't
think is necessarily the strength of that offense. So if
they can get back, if they can get Christian back
playing well with Mason.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
And McCaffrey, wow, that's a great group.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Then at receiver, obviously loosen Ayuk is a brutal loss,
but they drafted Pears in the first round. He's going
to get his legs underneath them. You still got Jennings,
who to me is one of the most underrated receivers
in the NFL. To perform so well in the Zoo
Super Bowl. They have a ton of confidence in him
and then debo his versatility. You still got Yu Chek
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who's a ridiculous chess piece for Kyle, And then you
have Kittle who can turn up from time to time
and go, holy cat, we almost forgot about him, and
then not to mention a phenomenal offensive line, So they
still have all the pieces in place.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
They've kind of always seemed to turn around their season
around the bye week. This is when they need to
do it. They just had their bye week. We'll see,
you know, if they get green Law back on defense,
that would be a huge boost. Unfortunately, what they're really
missed on defense they lost Hardgrave, They lost this interior rusher,
so now it's really kind of a one man show
with Bosa on the perimeter. But if they can get
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green Law back and get him playing close to the
way that he was playing in there with Warner, you
have one of the best handems in the league, if
not the best at linebacker. They rush the quarterback a
little better, and then that safe that secondary unit which
has always got a lot of tight coverage and capitalize
on offensive mistakes. So I would never count out the
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forty nine ers. I think they're so well coached. They
got a great system in place, a great culture of
guys that know how to win.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You know, those are all the things you look for
with the.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Niners seven rings, Tom Brady Fox Sports taking time for
us today, Tom, I appreciate it, man, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Thanks calling, great talking to your partner. All right, I'm
here for you anytime.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
All right, Thanks, Tom, appreciate that. So, Yeah, the Brock
Purty thing is I think you and I I think
you've come down a little on him. I've gone up
on him, and I think we're meeting of the minds
with Rock Purty. I think we both regard him as
a B plus plus plus quarterback.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
No, he's an a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
I'm not willing to come come down off at a
for brock Purdy just because he's been without all of
his stars this season. But yeah, is he mahomes No,
But it sounds like Tom Brady really likes brock Purty.
Well you should one of us compared Rock Perty to
Tom Brady early, Tom Brady, you know, late round pick.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
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Speaker 6 (23:52):
All right, it's time to talk Dallas Cowboys. I know
you love talking about Dallas in this downward spiral. So
Dak's headed to the ir after the fifth loss of
the season. They're three and five third of the nfcas
they have yet to play Philly or Washington, which is
really bad news. But Jerry Jones, Hey, of course he's
praising Michae McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I'm good with Mike.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
I know how hard he works.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
I like his football mind.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I know how good he works.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
Uh, he's Uh, I've got in my mind an outstanding
coaching records. He's really good with the players. They think
highly of him the but uh, he's got a lot
of fire in his belt. And so I'm just giving
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you this. I like the positives I see.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, very positive affirmation. Very where where would you put
just just for fun, if I said to you, where
is name the best coaches in the league? You go
Andy Reid, and then we know, we go through the mcvay's,
Shanahan and.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
We get Floor got to be in there.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Lafleoor's in there, and John Harbaugh and Jim Harbaugh, Lean Tomlin.
You get to about seven or eight or nine, and
then you get into the what do you do with
Mike McCarthy because he's got a.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Ring ten to twenty range somewhere in there.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Okay, all right, that's kind of how I feel.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
I mean, I'll just toss a guy at you, and
it's not what you've done, it's what you are as
a coach right now. Would you rather have McCarthy or
McDaniel from Miami McCarthy, Okay, Kevin O'Connell or McGill.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I had a feeling you'd go there.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
There's so many young coaches in the league at like McVeigh.
Obviously you have over McCarthy. Dan Quinn's been around the block.
Now he's a defensive guy. I he was on McCarthy's staff.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Well, they've both both been to a Super Bowl. I
think I'm a little more of a dan quick. Have
you seen the Cowboys defensive numbers since dan Quinn laughed?
Very interesting? Yeah, it's not the same defense. So now
some of its injuries, but it's not like the team
was totally healthy when dan Quinn was there. I think
I would probably buy an inch.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Take dan Quinn Stefansky or McCarthy Stefanski. This was tough
Zach Taylor or McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
I would say Sean Payton, but I already know no
Sean Payton.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
So that puts McCarthy in like the thirteen to eighteen range.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Now I think closer to thirteen.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
I mean there's like six or seven coaches.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
No, I think he's more than capable. I think I
think it's the dan Quinn thing. I thought dan Quinn
was good in Atlanta when he had Shannan especially, he's
kind of dependent on his OC. Dan Quinn's been excellent
when he's had Shanahan or Cliff Kingsbury. So he's a
guy that has needed the really high end coordinator to
crush it.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
That's what do you think everybody needs a high end
cord and everybody needs a wingman.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Andy Reid needs Spagnolo's. Spagnola's amazing, Right.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, there's no I think Andy Reid is good regardless,
but I think Spags takes the great coordinator takes you
to Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
That combo is the best in the league. All right,
let's go to the Lions.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
They got a big road win in Lambeau last week,
silencing the doubters, including both of us, whether or not
they could keep up their dominance while battling the elements.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Packers players talked a lot of trash.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Before the game, during the game, and after the game,
colin with an offensive lineman actually saying they were the
that the better team did not win.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh boy.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Jared Goff attributed the win to execution, well, you.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Know, getting after them, and I think the mistakes that
showed up, you know, they were they certainly pivoted the game,
and we were able to play pretty mistake free and
take care of the ball and pull it tight, sued tight,
catch the ball and it came their way.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I was able to.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
Remain pretty accurate and our line protected pretty well. So yeah,
all those things come into play when you play in
weather like that, and I thought we handled it really well.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I thought green Bay looked like a young, immature team,
loose mistakes, just did not look buttoned up. And I
thought Detroit looked and they are like the more veteran,
older brother, better team. I just thought green Bay looked
a little out of sorts and a little out of
their depth and a little immature.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
I don't want to go overboard here.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Can we call up the Packers schedule, because Colin, there
are some warning signs here? What for the for the
Packers maybe not being a lock for the playoffs? Okay,
I know that's like unfathomable because we love Lafleur and
Jordan loved being good they still have at Chicago, and
I don't think that's a lock.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
By any stretch.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
I don't think the Bears have quit like all the
reports are. They have good defense, they've got vers San Francisco,
that Christian McCaffrey will be back, Deebo's gonna be back
versus Miami. Now we'll see what the weather's like. Miami
coming at Lambo. Detroit, Lions again at Seattle. Not the
easiest place to play. You see the Saints on the
screen and then they close. The Vikings and Bears you're
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gonna have and the NFC's loaded.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
They're gonna have to.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Get at least at least ten wins. Do you definitely
hear it?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yes, they'll make the play. Here's why because Detroit is
a team that beat you up physically, and they get
a buye, so they get a bark. So it's a
it's a perfect place for a buye. When you play
the Niners or the Lions in the NFC, you want
to buy the following week because they just pound on you,
keep your defense on the field. You're a little banged up,
very physical team.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
So they split with the Bears.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
They'll they'll they'll beat the Bears in Chicago. I don't
trust that.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
I mean again, we'll give them the Saint win.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Oh they'll they'll, you know, Seattle, who knows what they'll
be at that point. Seattle's oh lines a mess. I
think I think the tough there's two tough games. I
think they're at Minnesota and at Detroit.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Are L's Well wait, not only is it at Detroit,
but the week after that is at Seattle, so they
have to get beat up by Detroit and then that's
a rough spot.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
You got them winning team?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, I think there are. I thought I had them
winning the division. I'd probably say Detroit, but they're they're
a double digit win team because.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
They're gonna have to pass the Vikings. I don't know
that that's that's a lot this. I don't want to
make Green Bay fans get nervous, but like that schedule
a easy and the NFC's top final stories to the
NBA Lakers.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Oh man, remember they when they were three and oh?
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Well they lost to the Pistons and went one and
three on their recent road trip. Anthony Davis has been dominant,
but he thinks that the team hasn't been consistent.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
To know, there's two different teams right now. You run
you know, one game you know where you know this
team who you know we showcase to be one of
the better team than the league. And the next you know,
well where his team who I don't even know who
(30:43):
we are? So shod be better. You know, it's on
the starters. Start the game obviously, So.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I don't watch a lot of NBA till January. When
we get to the playoffs, there's fewer games, and I
start watching more college basketball. I start watching in February.
So if you watch the Lakers, I've seen high lights.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
Oh, you should watch the Lakers tonight against Memphis. It's
better than watching the alternatives on television tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, the alternatives one Wednesday, Yes, elections.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Yeah, we know, we know who won. Anthony Davis leads
the NBA in scoring. I did not know that, Holy cow.
But Lebron's numbers down a little.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
How old is he again? Is he forty nine? Or yeah,
he's an old man. He's still averaging twenty one.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
How's that kid doing? Since that Dalton connect kid? How's
he doing?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
He's not playing enough because JJ Reddick's leaning heavily on
the starters, which I don't like, a little Thibodeau ish
of him. Lakers at four and three Memphis, John Moran,
I don't know if you've seen him in action, he's
doing some interesting differing those things. And Zach Edie, No,
now he's off to a decent start. He's gonna be
I mean, he's the leader for Rookie the Year for sure.
And Zach Edie versus d is going to be interesting
(31:51):
matchup tonight.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Let's get into some NBA.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Remember, well, you know what's remember during college basketball, we
had Dan Hurley on That's right, and I had Mark
fw on and I've asked both of them if I
recall about Zach Edy, and both said, if Zach Edy's
not good in the NBA, the NBA has a problem.
I mean, Mark Fugh said it's and Mark Fuse coached
the Olympic teams and he's like, I've seen collegeen pro
(32:14):
If we Mark Few, I think said on the air,
we can't stop Zach Edy. He's the only player I've played.
We can't stop him. So there was this idea about
a year ago that he wouldn't work in the NBA.
And then I will say this. Then he came back
and he looked quicker. He'd like lost weight, he was leaner,
he moved better. Because I wondered early too, I'm like,
who is he going to defend in the NBA. But
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then last year he looked like he was much leaner.
I mean Purdue was good with Matt Painters. Team was good,
but I was concentrating on Edie and so we predict
that he would be the rookie of the year.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
I think you're a spot on Lakers. They kind of
need a win tonight. The upcoming schedule stuff. You don't
want to dip under five hundred when nobody's paying attention,
and then everybody looks up and you're like, oh, Lakers
are four and eight.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
You don't need that.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
I don't suggest on the NBA in November, but it'll
be an opportunity on the Lakers time. Oh by the way,
did you see Zach Edy last time out? Had a
block shot at one end, comes down and hits a
transition three.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I mean, he's seven to four. Edie is impressive.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Man.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
I didn't think he'd be this good.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's all funny though, how the NBA loves international players,
but if you stay in college for a couple of years,
everybody's always like, yeah, yeah, you've been in college for
two or three years, you're seeing him.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
That's the problem is you see so much of them
at Purdue or Michigan State. You see so much of him,
you pick him apart and then you get some grainy
video from Lithuania and you're like, this guy's the best
player in the world.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
The opposite is true in football. We saw Bo Nicks
for what sixty some odd stars, and the more we
saw him, we liked him, and you like him and you.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Want him in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
But in the NBA they're like, we've seen three years
of Zach Edy dominating.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
No.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
It's almost like if you the longer you stay in college,
it totally works against you in basketball big time. J
Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
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Speaker 6 (34:10):
Friday night on Fox, one of college football's breakout stars,
running back Caleb Johnson, leads the Iowhaw Guys into the
Roase Bowl for a showdown.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Against the UCLA.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
It all kicks off Friday at nine eastern, six Pacific
on five.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I was talking to a buddy yesterday. He was down
in New Orleans and he was talking about He said,
he was talking about man. This Sunday lineup in the
NFL isn't great. Last week I thought there was a
lot of good games. And this is what happens when
you have a Thursday game, so you take Joe Burrow
and Lamar Jackson out of Sunday. And this past week
you took Baker Mayfield and Mahomes out of Sunday. So
(34:47):
the better the Amazon lineup and the Monday night football lineup.
I mean, this week we only have two late games.
I think there's some really good matchups. Obviously, I think
Tomorrow is interesting. I think Baltimore is a much better team.
But I think San Francisco at Tenampa is an interesting game.
I think I think the Steelers at Washington is a
really interesting game. I actually think the Colts will play
(35:09):
the Buffalo Bills close. I think Denver getting crushed coming
back at Kansas City. Kansas City on a short week,
I think Denver will play really really well against Kansas City.
I think Philadelphia is gonna hammer Dallas. You know what
I hate to say this, That Jets Arizona game is fascinating.
(35:31):
You're a Jets fan. Arizona has now played back to
back weeks really good football. Do you trust Arizona three
straight weeks to play great football.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I don't, I don't. I would lean Jets. By the way,
I got it wrong.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
There's three games in the four o'clock window, but there
none of them are great Philadelphia Dallas or the backup
quarterback Tennessee with the backup.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
But like Jets, Arizona kind of a good game. It is, sadly,
but every.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Game for the Jets from here on, Aunt Collin game
is an elimination game. You can't lose again.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Seven losses. I mean, listen, I look at games and
I look at quarterbacks. So I get on Monday night,
I get two against Stafford. That's a good game. I
get Jared Goff against c. J. Stroud. That's a good game.
I get Aaron Rodgers against Kyler Murray. That's a good game.
I get bow Knicks against Mahomes. I think that'll be
an interesting game. Really, Oh, I think I think Denver's
gonna play. Remember Kansas City short week, went went to overtime.
(36:26):
Teams that play overtime a short week, good night, and
Denver got crushed. So Denver. Anytime you get humiliated, teams
that have capable coaching and players usually play really well
the following week, so I would take Denver to keep
the game against Kansas City very close.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
So they just went to the back to back road games.
They just went to Baltimore elite team and got run
over to Kansas City a competitive minute flight that's not
even okay. But then you got to go fly home
and then back out to Casey to face undefeated. You're
facing the two best teams in the INNAFC back to
back weeks.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, I think, I think, But you gotta remember division, right,
you know they're personnel. It's different playing Baltimore if you
don't play Lamar Jackson regularly. I mean, go look at
the teams. Think about how good Detroit's been for two years.
Detroit last year got humiliated playing Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson
humiliates everybody if you don't play him regularly. There's I mean,
(37:18):
Maholmes doesn't even do that, but there's something about Lamar
Jackson's stylistically that nobody plays like him. So if you
don't play him regularly, you just get trounced.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
How's this one?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
So the Buffalo Indianapolis game, everybody just saw the Colts
on Sunday night, football.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Not get to the red Zille one. They look terrible.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Guess who's taking money this week against Buffalo Indianapolis?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Oh no, I think the Colts to the side absolutely.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
The way you saw Miami run all over Buffalo run
all over them.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Jonathan dayalor can do that. I just wanted to do.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
They having Anthony richardson package ready for some you know,
some quarterback keepers some interesting wrinkles.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Shall we say? If the Colts want to keep their
season a long, You're to.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Think I'm crazy saying this. I think Denver at Kansas
City is the potential upset of the week.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Put it in the blazing five, then go for it.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Go ahead, what's the number eight?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Eight? Bro?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
That is a risky move.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Mahomes is not a great big favorite quarter.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
That's a good point. Did not cover the spread on Monday.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I don't like big favorites. Last week I took my
first big favorite of the year in Baltimore and it
was the easiest win for.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Me Block City.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
So I had the three and two record last week.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Well, I'll say this that Atlanta New Orleans game. Everybody
loves to bet. After you fire the coach, everybody bets
the team I don't see how you can bet the
New Orleans Saints. They traded Lattimore locker room, seems like
it's a mess. Coach gone, you know what, a special
teams guy running the show.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You know what, It's really interesting. So this will be
the best defense that Jaden Daniels's faced.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Yeah, that's the game of the week.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I think. Well again, Russell Wilson, old school, old school
everything in Pittsburgh against new school Washington. That's a really
good game.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
I have a stat.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
One of my buddies in DC sent me, do you
know what Mike Tomlin's record is against rookie quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Collin let me guess in his career. Yeah, twenty seven
and seven.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Wow, that's close. Twenty five and five. Mike Tomlin dominates
rookie quarterbacks. He's a smart defensive mind. Also, they had
a bye week.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
What they are they have two and a half point dog.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Yeah, that's it's a tough spot for Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
But I'm just telling you, I bet against Washington enough
this season and I keep losing.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
I'm not I'm not doing it anything. They're good. Yeah,
that's a great game.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, I really like I gotta I gotta be honest
with you. I the the later you get into the schedule.
This week, I think, I think when you can get
really good quarterback matchups Aaron Rodgers at Kyler Murray Goff
at c J. Stroud T at McVeigh, those are three
that those are watchable games. I think tomorrow, I think
Baltimore is gonna hammer Cincinnati. But Jilborrow, Oh, I think
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Baltimore is really good.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Well, we might need to put a steak dinner on
that one.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Are you doing okay today? You're interested? I'm great.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Just like a Jets loss, I don't really none of
this stuff bothers me.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
My wife calls me the unbothered King because I just
I don't really get rattled by this stuff. Now, in
a basketball game, Men's leagu championship, I'll get rattled.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
But this other stuff, this doesn't impact us at all.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Well, you know, people can argue it does or doesn't.
And I think the one of the only advantages to age, like,
one of the only advantages is take a deep breath.
I've seen this before. That's one of the advantages. The
other thing is, I think when you lose a football game,
a tennis match or an election. The first thing you
(40:45):
have to figure out is why did we lose. I'm
fascinated the next three to four days watching Democrats try
to figure out why we lost. But by the way,
that's not as easy as you think.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
What does the autopsy say? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
That why do you think you lost? If you can't
come to terms with that and be honest with yourself,
you lose again.
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little over an hour and fifteen minutes. So last night
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they had the first college football rankings. I don't get
too worked up over in Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia, Miami,
Texas is just out of that top four. Texas would
beat Miami, Texas would be to Ohio State. Think Texas
could beat Oregon. I think if they played Georgia again,
Texas would win. I still think Texas is the best
looking team I've seen. They just got hammered at home
(01:08):
against Georgia. Uh, they got a little into their fields.
And Georgia was deeply offended. I think Miami, you're voting
for cam Ward and nostalgia. Uh, They're they're They're I
don't think they're as good as these other teams. Oregon's
the best team I've seen all year in terms of
every time I watch Oregon, they're better. I think Texas
has better talent. You know, I talked about this earlier.
I think that the College Football Playoff is the illusion
(01:31):
of inclusion. It makes you feel better. We're letting the
Boise States in, and that's great and that and that's fun.
I still think football much more than even basketball. And
we know the number one, two, three, and four seats
dominate college basketball. The blue bloods, you know, Villanova with
Jay Wright, Carolina's, Kansas, Yukon, you know, the Arizona's football
even more so because you lose players in these big games.
(01:54):
You get players injured. So a small school like a
Boise State, they can't play Ohio State then played Georgia
that they just can't do it. They can knock off
in Oklahoma using some trick plays with a great coach
Chris Peterson. That can happen. But I think you're gonna
find out by the end of the year. I was
looking today at like Indiana. If this thing started today,
Indiana would open at Tennessee and then they would have
(02:16):
three neutral site games to get to the national championship
against you know, your Ohio States and your Georgia's. It's
just not gonna work right now. They haven't played anybody
BYU hasn't played anybody. I think it makes everybody feel better,
more people that are invited to the party, at least
for one day you get the VIP pass. But I
still think when I look at this, I think Texas
has the most talent. I think Georgia's second most talent,
(02:39):
And I think Oregon and Ohio State are really, really,
really good teams. Even when you get down to six
and seven, like Penn State, I don't think Penn State's
close to a national championship team. I don't think Miami's
close to a national championship team. I like Tennessee. I
thought that that was my pick at the beginning of
the year. I thought Tennessee and Texas. Tennessee's pulled back
(02:59):
a little bit their eighth I do think they could
win a couple of games, though, And with that seven
times Super Bowl champ Tom Brady twenty three years, best
quarterback to ever play the game. So I was thinking
about this tom as I'm watching Kansas City. I still
feel like I said, they're like an electric vehicle that's
only charged about fifty percent. They're not They're kind of
(03:20):
trying to figure out what they are back up running back.
They don't know what to do with Xavier Worthy. They
just kind of go back your Randy Moss team Boom.
You knew very early at special But did you ever
have a team that won a Super Bowl but in
the middle of a season you didn't quite know what
the offensive identity was? Because that's what I watched when
(03:43):
I watched the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I actually think they do have a great offensive identity.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I think they look the game's about winning.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
We talk about points, you talk about you know, yards,
and you talk about penalties and defensive stops.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
To me, at the end of the game, do you
have more points than the other team.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
That's the maturity of a great team and a great organization.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I played on a lot of teams.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Some were a lot of offensive strengths, some had a
lot of defensive strengths.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Some years we.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Were kind of middle of the packet both, but we
played well situationally, third down, red area, two minute every year.
That's the best part about the NFL is the constant transition,
the constant change. Now you see they add DeAndre Hopkins
at the trade deadline.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
So it's like.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
In the end when you have Patrick Mahomes and it's
a one score game, everyone's always betting on the Chiefs. Now,
can someone get away from the Chiefs. I don't know,
because that defense plays so well. But I don't think
Patrick Mahomes is a lesser player because he doesn't have
twenty five touchdowns at this point. It's just he's not
playing with guys that can produce that from the receiver position,
(04:59):
so that natural lee Patrick's job is to and I
covered him a few weeks ago when I said the
job of the quarterback is to manage all the variables
of the game and the season, injuries, whether the rhythm
of the offense, and then ultimately go out there and
make the plays that puts you in a position to win.
And that's what winners do, and certainly Patrick is that.
(05:21):
And then he's got Andy Reid there, who's as great
of a coach, you know, in NFL history. He's on
the kind of the Mount Rushmore of coaches. So you
have this consistency of this organization from owner, general, manager, coach, quarterback,
and then to me a defensive coordinator in spags that
the way that defense plays puts them in a position
(05:41):
to win every single week. So it's obviously they can
be beat. There's probably games where they could have been
beat this year, but every game is decided by a
few plays, and the reality of the Chiefs team is
they always find a way to make the plays when
it matters.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know, I remember when Randy Mots played with you,
when you guys brought a new player in and you
had talked at the time. You're like, you know Belichick
and you were like, he's just smart and he knows football.
So obviously DeAndre Hopkins doesn't know the entire playbook yet,
but I'm watching him and I'm like, especially that play
in the back of the end zone, I'm like, God,
you think they've had fifty practices. What is it about
(06:18):
certain receivers with you, like Moss or or DeAndre Hopkins,
They don't have to know the playbook, But yet I
felt like had I just landed on the planet and
watched it. I would have never guessed he just showed
up at the facility. What was it with Moss? What
is it with a veteran receiver that a young receiver
just couldn't do?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
And that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So the reality is, is a great receiver, well, any
receiver that's a veteran knows what a knows what a
practice week's looks like. If they know how to run
all the routes in the offense, now they may not
know exactly where to line up because everyone has their
variations of words and descriptive words they use to get
people aligned, to get the protections organized, and then to
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call routes. Some people use number systems people use, some
people use words that people have to memorize. Some people
use a one term word that tells everybody what to do.
Kansas City does it kind of a myriad of different ways.
And then once DeAndre can really comprehend that, he's going
to say, oh, okay, that's what I used to call
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this outcut in Tennessee was like this, or in Houston
it was like Smith. But in case it's like this.
But I still know how to run the route. So
you have these veteran players that have the experience to
run the routes, to know the offenses. It's not like,
you know, when he played for Tennessee, the field was
a different size. You know, it's the same rules, it's
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the same routes. It's ultimately just how you call him.
So once he gets out there and he's confident in
what he has, you know he's going to look like
DeAndre Hopkins always has, which is you know, he's got
good quickness, he's got great catch radius, he's got this
in situational place to make catches like that, and certainly
as a rhetora target.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
And I just think if you look.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
At the Chiefs and their injuries at the receiver position,
to add someone like DeAndre who has that veteran presence
and no game is going to be too big for him.
He's playing a lot of big games. So that always
gives a quarterback a lot of confidence. I remember playing
with certain rookie receivers literally it was like the first
day of OTAs and I'd call like, hey, run a
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slant and he looked at me like a slant okay,
And that's kind of the most generic routeok since we're
running those in in in parking lots, you know, with
your friends. And there was a few guys I played
with that would they'd start the route slow, then they'd
speed up into the break, then they'd slow down coming
out of the break, and then they'd look for the
ball and I'd look at him and be like, what.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
The hell was that?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know, like, there's such a there's such a learning
curve that needs to happen from a rookie player. Whereas
when you get someone like DeAndre, you go, hey, Johndre,
run a slant and it looks like a slant. It
looks great, it's fluid, it's smooth, you can plan it.
So with a rookie, there's such a learning curve. There's
so many things to learn that you're never going to
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get that type of production in a short period of
time of the rookie that you can get with a
veteran unless that's just a very special rookie. And I've
had some of those. Those guys, to me, are more
anomalies than kind of what the norm is.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I know you probably haven't sat and watched too many
Denver games or Bears games, but when with the young quarterbacks,
Obviously they grew up in a different environment than you.
Seven on seven camps, way more snaps by the time
they're fifteen than you had. But go back to your career.
I remember you doing an interview with Jay Glazer once
and you're like, I've seen everything, dude, you could throw
anything at me. When was the time in your career?
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You're pretty a learned guy, You're very committed. How long
did it take? You know they always talk about things
slow down a little. How long Mahomes said it was
year three? What was it for you?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
The answer is it progressively gets more and more, And
I would say maybe a year one it's fifty percent
of the way that you want it, and then year
two it's sixty percent, and ultimately you're trying to get
to one hundred percent. But even I think for Patrick,
if I look at his situation and his development, he
was very lucky to sit behind and Patrick, let me
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get us out of the way. He is a phenomenal player.
To me, is you know he Lamar Josh Allen. You're
talking about the upper echelon, as we all know, and
Patrick is going to go down as one of the
greats ever. For a number of reasons. But if I
look at him, he went to college at Texas Tech.
He had Cliff Kingsbury there with him for three years,
an NFL caliber coach, running a lot of NFL caliber
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type calls and methodologies by what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So three years of that.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Then he goes to the Chiefs and he's got Alex
Smith as the guy that's ahead, who's a phenomenal player,
great leader, does everything the right way. And then he's
got Andy Reid as his play caller. So it's like
there's a reason why it all works, and there's this
development that happens and why Patrick has been able to
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ascend so quickly, and he would have found a way
to ascend at some point anyway. I'm just saying I
could never have reached this area of growth that I
needed to. Whether that was your one or three or five,
it was accelerated because of all the things that I
had in place when I was in college.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I ran a pro style offense.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, I got drafted, I had Bill Belichick teach me,
I got to sit behind Drew bledsoe. I worked really
hard to learn all those things and embrace the challenge.
And I think when you're a young quarterback. Ultimately, that's
what you're trying to do. Be in a situation where
you can learn, grow, develop. It's all about mentorship. It's
all about the people that come in your life. I
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see Bo Nicks from Denver. He's got Sean Payton there
as a phenomenal coach, Gonna get great coaching, They're gonna
have great scheme. A lot of times, the first reads
for him are going to be open because he's got
a great play caller that knows how to design things.
So then you go on the other side of it.
You know, I've seen a lot of quarterbacks that don't
make it. Maybe they wouldn't have made it anyway, but
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I'm just saying there's a potential that they could look
at Sam Darnold.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Now, he's playing really well in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
He's got a good he's got a good coach, he's
got a good scheme, he's got some good receivers.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
He's playing well.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You know, when he was at the Jets, he didn't
have all those things quite in place. So we always
have to look at I think the physical makeup of
these young players.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
What are they capable of?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
They do they have good arms, do they have great arms,
you know, are they athletic? Can they get out of
the pocket?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Can they?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
And then to me, there's a mental element that always
comes into quarterback play. And I said in this last
game against Green Bay, was watching Green Bay Lions this
last weekend. I said, there's no way for me to
really see sustained success in the NFL at the quarterback
position if you don't have total control of what's being
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done out on the field. If you're expecting your coach
to call a play from the sideline and that play
is gonna come into your helmet, you're gonna call it,
You're gonna walk to the line of scrimmage, and that
play's gonna be successful, regardless of the defense of Look,
you're out of your mind. That's not the way it works.
The defense calls plays to stop you, and they have
their own tendency. So it's up to the quarterback ultimately
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to decide. Okay, I got a play called. I see
what the defense is doing. Is this play gonna work
or not. If it's gonna work, you run it. If
it's not, what do I need to do to survive
the down or what do I need to do to
put us in a position to be really successful. That
to me is the operational control the quarterback's need. And
the problem is with the development of height of college
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programs now they're not getting developed in the same way.
Now they get to a pro program and a lot
of the NFL programs, there's so much.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Money going around, you know. The need to develop is.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Guys can sign one or two contracts and not develop
and still make a great living. So I would love
to see the quarterback play continue to evolve and grow.
It's only going to come from more time on task,
more time with your coaches, more understanding of what your
roles and responsibility are. You're supposed to develop a tool
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kit as a quarterback to deal with what you see
on the game every single day. I've seen Jared Goff
again covering him this last game. It was awesome to
watch in LA. He had a great system, he had
McVeigh to learn under. He brought that. He comes to
a phenomenal program in Detroit right now, where to me,
they're doing a lot of things the right way. Their
offensive coordinator Ben Johnson says, all right, Jared, we're going
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to put more and more on your plate. We're going
to give you a great opportunity to succeed, and you
have to have the ability to process a lot of information,
which is one of jared strengths, to actually implement all
those things, and when you do it well, to me,
that's what gets you to that's what gives you.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
A great chanceance to win every single week in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So Bill Belichick's had a couple of weeks ago when
asked about Detroit, He's like, they've got everything offensively. You
hope they make a mistake. And you just called the
game and green Bay's got a good team. It looked
like older brother, younger brother, let me teach you how
to play football. Go back, I mean Detroit O line tackles,
run game, tight end, quarterback. Go back to your career,
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because I felt like green Bay very quickly was like
we're a little out of our elements here. This is
a really really so go back to your career. Was
there ever a team you played and you may not
have said this to your teammates, but you thought to yourself,
I'm not sure they have a weakness like that is
Pro bowlers everywhere. I watched Detroit's offense, Tom, I don't
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know what the weakness is deep ball, slants, slots. Did
you ever face a team like that when you looked
at the personnel and thought it's almost a perfect offense?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I would say the only I would say the early
Colts offenses we faced. They had Saturday. They had Terry
Glenn tight End. They had Pollard, they had at times
Dallas Clark. They had Marvin, they had Reggie, they had Stokely,
they had Edgrin. They were so good and I'm lucky
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I didn't have to go against them.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I mean, to me, it was great.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Belichick would say, guys, listen, this would be a Wednesday meeting.
Understand this. They are gonna move the ball on us.
They're too good. They got so many guys, they're gonna
go up and down. We need to play good red
area defense, and we're gonna work on red area defense
on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday because that's going to decide
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the game. They're gonna get the ball down there. Which
is a great humility from a coach who's a defensive coach,
who's essentially the coordinator, to say, these guys are so good,
we're not gonna just you know, pull the wooldover eyes
and think that we're gonna keep these guys the two
hundred and forty yards offense they're gonna have. They're gonna
have yards. What we need to do is keep the
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points down. If we can keep the points down and
offensively we can control the game, we can run the ball,
and then we can score points, we're gonna give ourselves
a best chance to win. That to me is complimentary football.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
So when you play the Lions, the only way to
beat them is to play a style where the offense
compliments the defense and then the kicking game does their job.
Sometimes when you punt, you play great field position. Okay, offensively,
the best defense against the Lions offense, to me is
the meet is possessed the football. You don't want to
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make it a track meet against a team that can
run it. They throw it to their tight end, they
throw it to their receivers. When they get Jamison William back,
they have the explosive receiver. So there's so many and
they go for anun fourth downs so often. They you know,
you got to stop them for four downs, not just three,
which is a really hard thing to do. So there's
a lot of challenges that the Lions are presenting. And
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look the one game they did lose this year, they
were one of six in the red area. That's right
against the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So so to me, they.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Got a they got a great offense, and they got
a lot of humility, they got a great culture. To me,
they're doing so many things the right way in the
NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
So you're calling the San Francisco game this weekend, when
when you know, and I think Brock's a good player,
but I also think and the and the you're a
great example of this. Executives miss all the time on
players Antonio Gates and Tony Romo weren't drafted. There's players
all over. I watched the kid for the Rams this weekend.
Some undrafted safety had his fourth pick. There's talent everywhere.
(18:42):
What was the thing when the first the first time
you saw Brock Purty. Obviously you weren't wowed by his size.
His arm strength is good enough. What was the first
thing that you saw I wouldn't see this. You would
see this and you thought that guy's pretty good. Like
if there's something that you see because you played the
position a tell like in poker, that you were like, yeah,
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that this kid's gonna.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Work, sure, So I think it's poise and composure. It's
calm under chaos. That's what the quarterback needs to do.
And he walks into that huddle, he needs ten other
guys looking at him go all right, man, you're you're
totally under control. And whatever you say we're gonna do
to our best league is because we know you're gonna deliver.
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And they all have that confidence in Brock is a player,
and you're right, Brock's not the biggest his arm strength
isn't like Aaron Rodgers. But if he can play with
anticipation in this offense, to me, even studying in the
last few days is a lot different than the one
that they had last year and the year before. They
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had so many weapons the last couple of years. You know,
Brock essentially was a point guard out there just delivering
balls to halfbacks and flip it out there to debone
gain yards.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
And then he he's got ayuk.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
You know, catching in cuts and running for a lot
as oh you forgot about kittle boom, We're gonna throw
over the top of you there. This offense has been
in and out of a lot of their great players,
and I think getting McCaffrey back is so important for
this offense because he provides that passing threat out of
the backfield that they just haven't had this year. So
now the defense has to come up closer to the
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line of scrimmage to defend the run with Christian as
well as the pass, and that to me opens up
more of the intermediate and deeper parts of the field
for Bruck where they've kind of been throwing more of
these intermediate type targets on the field, which I don't
think is necessarily the strength of that offense. So if
they can get back, if they can get Christian back
playing well with Mason.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
And McCaffrey, wow, that's a great group.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Then at receiver, obviously loosen Ayuk is a brutal loss,
but they drafted Pears in the first round. He's going
to get his legs underneath them. You still got Jennings,
who to me is one of the most underrated receivers
in the NFL. To perform so well in the Zoo
Super Bowl. They have a ton of confidence in him
and then debo his versatility. You still got Yu Chek
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who's a ridiculous chess piece for Kyle, And then you
have Kittle who can turn up from time to time
and go, holy cat, we almost forgot about him, and
then not to mention a phenomenal offensive line, So they
still have all the pieces in place.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
They've kind of always seemed to turn around their season
around the bye week. This is when they need to
do it. They just had their bye week. We'll see,
you know, if they get green Law back on defense,
that would be a huge boost. Unfortunately, what they're really
missed on defense they lost Hardgrave, They lost this interior rusher,
so now it's really kind of a one man show
with Bosa on the perimeter. But if they can get
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green Law back and get him playing close to the
way that he was playing in there with Warner, you
have one of the best handems in the league, if
not the best at linebacker. They rush the quarterback a
little better, and then that safe that secondary unit which
has always got a lot of tight coverage and capitalize
on offensive mistakes. So I would never count out the
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forty nine ers. I think they're so well coached. They
got a great system in place, a great culture of
guys that know how to win.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
You know, those are all the things you look for
with the.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Niners seven rings, Tom Brady Fox Sports taking time for
us today, Tom, I appreciate it, man, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Thanks calling, great talking to your partner. All right, I'm
here for you anytime.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
All right, Thanks, Tom, appreciate that. So, Yeah, the Brock
Purty thing is I think you and I I think
you've come down a little on him. I've gone up
on him, and I think we're meeting of the minds
with Rock Purty. I think we both regard him as
a B plus plus plus quarterback.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
No, he's an a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
I'm not willing to come come down off at a
for brock Purdy just because he's been without all of
his stars this season. But yeah, is he mahomes No,
But it sounds like Tom Brady really likes brock Purty.
Well you should one of us compared Rock Perty to
Tom Brady early, Tom Brady, you know, late round pick.
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Speaker 1 (23:37):
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Speaker 6 (23:52):
All right, it's time to talk Dallas Cowboys. I know
you love talking about Dallas in this downward spiral. So
Dak's headed to the ir after the fifth loss of
the season. They're three and five third of the nfcas
they have yet to play Philly or Washington, which is
really bad news. But Jerry Jones, Hey, of course he's
praising Michae McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I'm good with Mike.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
I know how hard he works.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
I like his football mind.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I know how good he works.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
Uh, he's Uh, I've got in my mind an outstanding
coaching records. He's really good with the players. They think
highly of him the but uh, he's got a lot
of fire in his belt. And so I'm just giving
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you this. I like the positives I see.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, very positive affirmation. Very where where would you put
just just for fun, if I said to you, where
is name the best coaches in the league? You go
Andy Reid, and then we know, we go through the mcvay's,
Shanahan and.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
We get Floor got to be in there.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Lafleoor's in there, and John Harbaugh and Jim Harbaugh, Lean Tomlin.
You get to about seven or eight or nine, and
then you get into the what do you do with
Mike McCarthy because he's got a.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Ring ten to twenty range somewhere in there.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Okay, all right, that's kind of how I feel.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
I mean, I'll just toss a guy at you, and
it's not what you've done, it's what you are as
a coach right now. Would you rather have McCarthy or
McDaniel from Miami McCarthy, Okay, Kevin O'Connell or McGill.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I had a feeling you'd go there.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
There's so many young coaches in the league at like McVeigh.
Obviously you have over McCarthy. Dan Quinn's been around the block.
Now he's a defensive guy. I he was on McCarthy's staff.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Well, they've both both been to a Super Bowl. I
think I'm a little more of a dan quick. Have
you seen the Cowboys defensive numbers since dan Quinn laughed?
Very interesting? Yeah, it's not the same defense. So now
some of its injuries, but it's not like the team
was totally healthy when dan Quinn was there. I think
I would probably buy an inch.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Take dan Quinn Stefansky or McCarthy Stefanski. This was tough
Zach Taylor or McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
I would say Sean Payton, but I already know no
Sean Payton.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
So that puts McCarthy in like the thirteen to eighteen range.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Now I think closer to thirteen.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
I mean there's like six or seven coaches.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
No, I think he's more than capable. I think I
think it's the dan Quinn thing. I thought dan Quinn
was good in Atlanta when he had Shannan especially, he's
kind of dependent on his OC. Dan Quinn's been excellent
when he's had Shanahan or Cliff Kingsbury. So he's a
guy that has needed the really high end coordinator to
crush it.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
That's what do you think everybody needs a high end
cord and everybody needs a wingman.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Andy Reid needs Spagnolo's. Spagnola's amazing, Right.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, there's no I think Andy Reid is good regardless,
but I think Spags takes the great coordinator takes you
to Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
That combo is the best in the league. All right,
let's go to the Lions.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
They got a big road win in Lambeau last week,
silencing the doubters, including both of us, whether or not
they could keep up their dominance while battling the elements.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Packers players talked a lot of trash.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Before the game, during the game, and after the game,
colin with an offensive lineman actually saying they were the
that the better team did not win.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh boy.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Jared Goff attributed the win to execution, well, you.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Know, getting after them, and I think the mistakes that
showed up, you know, they were they certainly pivoted the game,
and we were able to play pretty mistake free and
take care of the ball and pull it tight, sued tight,
catch the ball and it came their way.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
I was able to.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
Remain pretty accurate and our line protected pretty well. So yeah,
all those things come into play when you play in
weather like that, and I thought we handled it really well.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I thought green Bay looked like a young, immature team,
loose mistakes, just did not look buttoned up. And I
thought Detroit looked and they are like the more veteran,
older brother, better team. I just thought green Bay looked
a little out of sorts and a little out of
their depth and a little immature.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
I don't want to go overboard here.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Can we call up the Packers schedule, because Colin, there
are some warning signs here? What for the for the
Packers maybe not being a lock for the playoffs? Okay,
I know that's like unfathomable because we love Lafleur and
Jordan loved being good they still have at Chicago, and
I don't think that's a lock.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
By any stretch.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
I don't think the Bears have quit like all the
reports are. They have good defense, they've got vers San Francisco,
that Christian McCaffrey will be back, Deebo's gonna be back
versus Miami. Now we'll see what the weather's like. Miami
coming at Lambo. Detroit, Lions again at Seattle. Not the
easiest place to play. You see the Saints on the
screen and then they close. The Vikings and Bears you're
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gonna have and the NFC's loaded.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
They're gonna have to.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Get at least at least ten wins. Do you definitely
hear it?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yes, they'll make the play. Here's why because Detroit is
a team that beat you up physically, and they get
a buye, so they get a bark. So it's a
it's a perfect place for a buye. When you play
the Niners or the Lions in the NFC, you want
to buy the following week because they just pound on you,
keep your defense on the field. You're a little banged up,
very physical team.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
So they split with the Bears.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
They'll they'll they'll beat the Bears in Chicago. I don't
trust that.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
I mean again, we'll give them the Saint win.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Oh they'll they'll, you know, Seattle, who knows what they'll
be at that point. Seattle's oh lines a mess. I
think I think the tough there's two tough games. I
think they're at Minnesota and at Detroit.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Are L's Well wait, not only is it at Detroit,
but the week after that is at Seattle, so they
have to get beat up by Detroit and then that's
a rough spot.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
You got them winning team?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, I think there are. I thought I had them
winning the division. I'd probably say Detroit, but they're they're
a double digit win team because.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
They're gonna have to pass the Vikings. I don't know
that that's that's a lot this. I don't want to
make Green Bay fans get nervous, but like that schedule
a easy and the NFC's top final stories to the
NBA Lakers.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Oh man, remember they when they were three and oh?
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Well they lost to the Pistons and went one and
three on their recent road trip. Anthony Davis has been dominant,
but he thinks that the team hasn't been consistent.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
To know, there's two different teams right now. You run
you know, one game you know where you know this
team who you know we showcase to be one of
the better team than the league. And the next you know,
well where his team who I don't even know who
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we are? So shod be better. You know, it's on
the starters. Start the game obviously, So.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I don't watch a lot of NBA till January. When
we get to the playoffs, there's fewer games, and I
start watching more college basketball. I start watching in February.
So if you watch the Lakers, I've seen high lights.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
Oh, you should watch the Lakers tonight against Memphis. It's
better than watching the alternatives on television tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, the alternatives one Wednesday, Yes, elections.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Yeah, we know, we know who won. Anthony Davis leads
the NBA in scoring. I did not know that, Holy cow.
But Lebron's numbers down a little.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
How old is he again? Is he forty nine? Or yeah,
he's an old man. He's still averaging twenty one.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
How's that kid doing? Since that Dalton connect kid? How's
he doing?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
He's not playing enough because JJ Reddick's leaning heavily on
the starters, which I don't like, a little Thibodeau ish
of him. Lakers at four and three Memphis, John Moran,
I don't know if you've seen him in action, he's
doing some interesting differing those things. And Zach Edie, No,
now he's off to a decent start. He's gonna be
I mean, he's the leader for Rookie the Year for sure.
And Zach Edie versus d is going to be interesting
(31:51):
matchup tonight.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Let's get into some NBA.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Remember, well, you know what's remember during college basketball, we
had Dan Hurley on That's right, and I had Mark
fw on and I've asked both of them if I
recall about Zach Edy, and both said, if Zach Edy's
not good in the NBA, the NBA has a problem.
I mean, Mark Fugh said it's and Mark Fuse coached
the Olympic teams and he's like, I've seen collegeen pro
(32:14):
If we Mark Few, I think said on the air,
we can't stop Zach Edy. He's the only player I've played.
We can't stop him. So there was this idea about
a year ago that he wouldn't work in the NBA.
And then I will say this. Then he came back
and he looked quicker. He'd like lost weight, he was leaner,
he moved better. Because I wondered early too, I'm like,
who is he going to defend in the NBA. But
(32:36):
then last year he looked like he was much leaner.
I mean Purdue was good with Matt Painters. Team was good,
but I was concentrating on Edie and so we predict
that he would be the rookie of the year.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
I think you're a spot on Lakers. They kind of
need a win tonight. The upcoming schedule stuff. You don't
want to dip under five hundred when nobody's paying attention,
and then everybody looks up and you're like, oh, Lakers
are four and eight.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
You don't need that.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
I don't suggest on the NBA in November, but it'll
be an opportunity on the Lakers time. Oh by the way,
did you see Zach Edy last time out? Had a
block shot at one end, comes down and hits a
transition three.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I mean, he's seven to four. Edie is impressive.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Man.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
I didn't think he'd be this good.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's all funny though, how the NBA loves international players,
but if you stay in college for a couple of years,
everybody's always like, yeah, yeah, you've been in college for
two or three years, you're seeing him.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
That's the problem is you see so much of them
at Purdue or Michigan State. You see so much of him,
you pick him apart and then you get some grainy
video from Lithuania and you're like, this guy's the best
player in the world.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
The opposite is true in football. We saw Bo Nicks
for what sixty some odd stars, and the more we
saw him, we liked him, and you like him and you.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Want him in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
But in the NBA they're like, we've seen three years
of Zach Edy dominating.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
No.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
It's almost like if you the longer you stay in college,
it totally works against you in basketball big time. J
Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd,
lie I Knew. Be sure to catch live editions of
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Speaker 6 (34:10):
Friday night on Fox, one of college football's breakout stars,
running back Caleb Johnson, leads the Iowhaw Guys into the
Roase Bowl for a showdown.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Against the UCLA.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
It all kicks off Friday at nine eastern, six Pacific
on five.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I was talking to a buddy yesterday. He was down
in New Orleans and he was talking about He said,
he was talking about man. This Sunday lineup in the
NFL isn't great. Last week I thought there was a
lot of good games. And this is what happens when
you have a Thursday game, so you take Joe Burrow
and Lamar Jackson out of Sunday. And this past week
you took Baker Mayfield and Mahomes out of Sunday. So
(34:47):
the better the Amazon lineup and the Monday night football lineup.
I mean, this week we only have two late games.
I think there's some really good matchups. Obviously, I think
Tomorrow is interesting. I think Baltimore is a much better team.
But I think San Francisco at Tenampa is an interesting game.
I think I think the Steelers at Washington is a
really interesting game. I actually think the Colts will play
(35:09):
the Buffalo Bills close. I think Denver getting crushed coming
back at Kansas City. Kansas City on a short week,
I think Denver will play really really well against Kansas City.
I think Philadelphia is gonna hammer Dallas. You know what
I hate to say this, That Jets Arizona game is fascinating.
(35:31):
You're a Jets fan. Arizona has now played back to
back weeks really good football. Do you trust Arizona three
straight weeks to play great football.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I don't, I don't. I would lean Jets. By the way,
I got it wrong.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
There's three games in the four o'clock window, but there
none of them are great Philadelphia Dallas or the backup
quarterback Tennessee with the backup.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
But like Jets, Arizona kind of a good game. It is, sadly,
but every.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Game for the Jets from here on, Aunt Collin game
is an elimination game. You can't lose again.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Seven losses. I mean, listen, I look at games and
I look at quarterbacks. So I get on Monday night,
I get two against Stafford. That's a good game. I
get Jared Goff against c. J. Stroud. That's a good game.
I get Aaron Rodgers against Kyler Murray. That's a good game.
I get bow Knicks against Mahomes. I think that'll be
an interesting game. Really, Oh, I think I think Denver's
gonna play. Remember Kansas City short week, went went to overtime.
(36:26):
Teams that play overtime a short week, good night, and
Denver got crushed. So Denver. Anytime you get humiliated, teams
that have capable coaching and players usually play really well
the following week, so I would take Denver to keep
the game against Kansas City very close.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
So they just went to the back to back road games.
They just went to Baltimore elite team and got run
over to Kansas City a competitive minute flight that's not
even okay. But then you got to go fly home
and then back out to Casey to face undefeated. You're
facing the two best teams in the INNAFC back to
back weeks.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, I think, I think, But you gotta remember division, right,
you know they're personnel. It's different playing Baltimore if you
don't play Lamar Jackson regularly. I mean, go look at
the teams. Think about how good Detroit's been for two years.
Detroit last year got humiliated playing Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson
humiliates everybody if you don't play him regularly. There's I mean,
(37:18):
Maholmes doesn't even do that, but there's something about Lamar
Jackson's stylistically that nobody plays like him. So if you
don't play him regularly, you just get trounced.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
How's this one?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
So the Buffalo Indianapolis game, everybody just saw the Colts
on Sunday night, football.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Not get to the red Zille one. They look terrible.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Guess who's taking money this week against Buffalo Indianapolis?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Oh no, I think the Colts to the side absolutely.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
The way you saw Miami run all over Buffalo run
all over them.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Jonathan dayalor can do that. I just wanted to do.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
They having Anthony richardson package ready for some you know,
some quarterback keepers some interesting wrinkles.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Shall we say? If the Colts want to keep their
season a long, You're to.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Think I'm crazy saying this. I think Denver at Kansas
City is the potential upset of the week.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Put it in the blazing five, then go for it.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Go ahead, what's the number eight?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Eight? Bro?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
That is a risky move.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Mahomes is not a great big favorite quarter.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
That's a good point. Did not cover the spread on Monday.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I don't like big favorites. Last week I took my
first big favorite of the year in Baltimore and it
was the easiest win for.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Me Block City.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
So I had the three and two record last week.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Well, I'll say this that Atlanta New Orleans game. Everybody
loves to bet. After you fire the coach, everybody bets
the team I don't see how you can bet the
New Orleans Saints. They traded Lattimore locker room, seems like
it's a mess. Coach gone, you know what, a special
teams guy running the show.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You know what, It's really interesting. So this will be
the best defense that Jaden Daniels's faced.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Yeah, that's the game of the week.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I think. Well again, Russell Wilson, old school, old school
everything in Pittsburgh against new school Washington. That's a really
good game.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
I have a stat.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
One of my buddies in DC sent me, do you
know what Mike Tomlin's record is against rookie quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Collin let me guess in his career. Yeah, twenty seven
and seven.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Wow, that's close. Twenty five and five. Mike Tomlin dominates
rookie quarterbacks. He's a smart defensive mind. Also, they had
a bye week.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
What they are they have two and a half point dog.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Yeah, that's it's a tough spot for Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
But I'm just telling you, I bet against Washington enough
this season and I keep losing.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
I'm not I'm not doing it anything. They're good. Yeah,
that's a great game.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, I really like I gotta I gotta be honest
with you. I the the later you get into the schedule.
This week, I think, I think when you can get
really good quarterback matchups Aaron Rodgers at Kyler Murray Goff
at c J. Stroud T at McVeigh, those are three
that those are watchable games. I think tomorrow, I think
Baltimore is gonna hammer Cincinnati. But Jilborrow, Oh, I think
(40:01):
Baltimore is really good.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Well, we might need to put a steak dinner on
that one.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Are you doing okay today? You're interested? I'm great.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Just like a Jets loss, I don't really none of
this stuff bothers me.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
My wife calls me the unbothered King because I just
I don't really get rattled by this stuff. Now, in
a basketball game, Men's leagu championship, I'll get rattled.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
But this other stuff, this doesn't impact us at all.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Well, you know, people can argue it does or doesn't.
And I think the one of the only advantages to age, like,
one of the only advantages is take a deep breath.
I've seen this before. That's one of the advantages. The
other thing is, I think when you lose a football game,
a tennis match or an election. The first thing you
(40:45):
have to figure out is why did we lose. I'm
fascinated the next three to four days watching Democrats try
to figure out why we lost. But by the way,
that's not as easy as you think.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
What does the autopsy say? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
That why do you think you lost? If you can't
come to terms with that and be honest with yourself,
you lose again.
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