December 31, 2024 • 42 mins
Colin and Jason discuss former Titans coach Mike Vrabel leaving his consultant role, leaving him open to coach one of the NFL team openings and coaching a young quarterback. FS1 analyst Nick Wright comments on the Herd Hierarchy and the final week of the NFL season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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it every week. This time the herd Hierarchy. Let's go
heard heard Hierarchy.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Time No, no go.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
The top ten NFL teams according to College well Tech.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
If they beat the Saints, they can clinch their four
straight division title. I've said it. I like their personnel.
Baker Mayfield leads the NFL and touchdown passes over the
last two years since he joined the Bucks. They're a
big play offense with excellent running backs. Jason Light's a
great GM. They've always got talent. When they've had good
quarterback play like Brady and Baker, they can play with anybody.
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Five and one over their last six games, blew the
Chargers out. That was a real eye opener. I don't
think they can hoist a trophy, but they could certainly
host a playoff game and knock off an injury riddle
Detroit if possible. Bucks at ten, number nine, I'm gonna
go Rams. They're offensive sluggishness in the first half is
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hard to explain. But their defense is really good and young,
and it's getting better. They've held opponents under twenty points
in three straight games. Matthew Stafford's having a very good
year over his last seven games of passer rating a
one ozh five. They're a little puka nukua dependent, so
I don't think they're a trophy team, but I have
them at nine number eight. I would put the Chargers
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at eight because they're quarterbacks younger at can run, and
I think that mobility is the difference between the two teams,
justin Herbert ninety nine passer rating hyper efficient, never reckless,
big with mobility. That gives them a slight edge in
my opinion over the Rams. Also, five of their six
losses have come to good teams the Chiefs, a couple
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of times, Ravens, Buccaneers. They're losing to the right teams.
I have them an eight number seven the Packers. I
thought the Packers could hoist a trophy, but they're zero
to five against the Lions, the Vikings, and the Eagles.
They're eleven to zero against everybody else. So they're a
bully against average to pretty good teams. They're not gonna
they're not gonna They're not gonna beat your Ravens. They're
not gonna beat your Chiefs Bills. That's not who they are.
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Six straight games without a giveaway, though, and I think
that's coaching in Matt Lafleur. They have taken some attempts
away from Jordan Love. They don't turn it over. They're
kind of a power run team. I have the Packers
at seven, number six, but you know, Lamar Jackson's better
than Jordan Love in my opinion, so I have them
at six, second largest rushing differential in a season in
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league history. They remain a run teams A Flowers and
Mark Andrews allows them to pass as well. But number
one scoring defense, number one total defense since week eleven.
You know, I love this organization. Kind of holding your
breath on what they look like in the January playoffs.
But the Ravens at six, number five. I thought Sam
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Darnold was amazing. I got him at five. They're tied
for the most takeaways in the league this year at
thirty one. That is the Brian Flores factor. The fact
that Brian Floores isn't front and center for everybody from
the Bears job to the Saints job. This defense does
not have elite personnel, but they're putting up elite takeaway stacks.
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That's a Brian Flores factor. By the way, Sam Donald's
the first quarterback in league history to win fourteen games
in his first season with a new team. Even Tom
Brady did not do that. Maybe Donald is better than
Brady when you think about it. Number four. Number four
Detroit stacked roster offensively, falling apart defensively. But I mean
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they have five games this year with forty or more
points than no turnovers. I mean, pretty easy for them.
They're clever, they can play power run. They're getting Montgomery
back four straight games for three plus touchdown passes. I
think we all know the story on them. If they
were healthy, they could win the Super Bowl. But we
don't trust their defense going forward. Number three Philadelphia. They're
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eleven to zero when Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown play
the number one total defense, they allow four point eight
yards of play, So that's pretty good in the NFL
and this day and age, four point eight yards of play.
Their O line and D line combination is the best
in the NFL. They got a great GM and they
got a roster to show for it. Do I worry
about the concussion. I would worry about it if it
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was in two weeks. I don't worry about it now.
I have them at number three, Number two the Bills.
The Bills have cut down on given the football away.
They only have eight giveaways and they've only allowed fourteen sacks.
So we always like Buffalo, but we thought, yeah, they'll
beat themselves. Well, they don't beat themselves this year. They
don't turn it over, they don't give you sack, don't
have a lot of negative plays, and they do it
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without a single thousand yard rusher or thousand yard receivers.
So they are still somewhat too reliant on Josh Allen.
But you know what, I like James Cook, I like
Kenkaid Dawson Knox. I like their receiving corps. Coleman's getting better.
I got at two. Number one, same old Chiefs, best coach,
best defensive coordinator, best quarterback, and arguably the best defensive lineman,
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Chris Jones. Let's just say this, it's the same team
we've seen, except I think it's a better offensive version
it always since Tyreek Hill left. It's a lot of
patchwork at receiver. That's what they've been for three years now.
And now they got Hollywood brown back. They wish they
had Rashi Rice, but that'll do. And Worthies become a
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real player and Travis Kelsey this is what they do
because they play mahomes what they pay him. And they
lost Tyreek Hill. This is the one unit they've tried
to kind of figure out and bring in a guy
for a year and this guy over there. But you
know what, third team in NFL history to go six
straight games without a without a turnover, So that's very rare.
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So you get all the upside and not a lot
of the downside. Best situational team in football and that's
that's not even arguable, although I will say Detroit on
third down and fourth down with Ben Johnson, you know
a coach, you know a team is rolling when they
go to the red zone in the congested area. Remember
Andy Read a couple of years the old in Super Bowl,
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they in the congested area, sky Moore is wide open.
Like you know, you have a good offensive scheme, and
this is what Shanahan does. Does anybody guard George Kittle
or is he just opened by twenty yards on every play?
So let's bring in Nick Right, co hosts First Things First,
he is now joining US Live. You know last week
you almost complimented me on the on the top ten.
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Anything bothery you?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
This week?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Lion's too high. Lions are going to lose to the
Vikings on Sunday, and after they could lose their first
playoff game. Defense is just to it's past the point
of no return. And I think I like a ton
of what Dan Campbell has done and has brought to
that organization. He's obviously a very good head coach, not
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taking anything away from him. However, his decision to play
as guys last night was objectively a mistake. You are
now in one of the highest leverage regular season games. Ever,
as far as its impact on who can win the
super Bowl, one seed or five seed will be determined
Sunday night in Game two seventy two. And you had
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a choice, have my banged up and most important players
have a bye week or have my entire team on
short rest having played Monday night, and he chose the
latter rather than the former, And I think it's a mistake,
and so I love who they are. Offensively, golf has
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been sensational. The running game hasn't really been hurt by
Montgomery being.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Out because Gibbs is so good.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I give them full credit, but that Niners team has
struggled to look like that offensively all year, and until
Purdy gave the game away, the Niners seam wheres moving
the ball up and down the field. I think Sam
Darnold's going to do the same thing. And then in
round one they'll either be facing the Rams or the Bucks,
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either of whom can move the ball.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
By the way, the Bucks beating them this year.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
The Rams took them to overtime this year, and that's
when the team was whole and healthy. So I think
Detroit's had an awesome season that unfortunately is going to
end quickly because of all the defensive injuries. And I
think Dan playing the players last night was a big mistake.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I tend to see myself as an ambassador of goodwill,
glass half full Colin optimist. Every morning I get labeled
a mean brock Purty guy. But to me, first half
a script, second half is talent. Rock Purty is now
a bad second half quarterback, and I'm supposed to pay
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him early and fifty million. I don't understand it. What
am I seeing that nobody else is. I mean, you
and I were both very hesitant on the Dak deal,
and we're right. I mean, I don't think Purty's as
good as Dak. Now, what do you make of this
idea that you have to pay him early?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
No, it's at this point, it'd be insane at this.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Especially with him and I understand, We hope, and it
looks like that injury last night is not us very
significant one, but it's a reminder that this is an
undersized player who has suffered, you know, one major injury
in his career, has been banged up a few other
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times in a relatively small career sample.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And all year long.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Last year, you and I said, listen, you can't deny
the production. I do question how much of it is
coaching talent and circumstances and what would he look like
in a league average situation, And amazingly, he got dropped
into a league average situation this year and now they're.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Six and ten.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
He wants this is the third straight week Colin. People
act like this was season from hell.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It wasn't. Didn't start that way. They were four and four.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Going into the by after the buye they beat Tampa
their best win of the year, they were a game
out of first place, and then the last three weeks,
starting with the playoffs on the line against the Rams,
down three fourth quarter infield goal range late throws the
game losing pick last week when they'd already been eliminated
from the playoffs, but still he's playing down five two
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minute warning on the other side of the plus side
of the fifty chance to go win the game pick
last night, leading the game throws after playing awesome for
the first half, awesome throws a terrible interception, and then
once again, fourth quarter down less than seven chance to
win the game or at least go take the lead,
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probably too early to win the game.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Pick.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
He is who we thought he was, and I think
the Niners know it too. So I don't know that
the Niners are gonna, you know, offer your guys Sam
Darnold a huge deal. I don't know that they're going
to spend a ton of money at the quarterback position.
Here's what I could see them doing, telling brock Purty, yet, listen,
you're under contract and you did not have a good.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Year three, so we're not going to pay you after
year three.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
And oh, by the way as it happens, Kyle Shanahan's
long lost love Kirk Cousins is gonna come play for
a million bucks as well. Don't worry, He's just gonna
back you up.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
So yeah, I think the idea of Brock Purty getting
the Tua or Trevor deal, even if he has accomplished
more than both of those players, went out the window
this past month.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So I showed this earlier. It's easy to blame Mike McCarthy,
but I showed this earlier. We have a graphic. I said,
if you take the two best rosters in the NFC,
I won't even count the AFC. I'll just go NFC.
And I put the Lions and Eagles best players just
offense because it's an offensive league, even the Chiefs. At
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some point you have to it's hard to make stops. Sure,
And I put it on the screen there, and only
two Cowboys would be considered. Zach Martin is now old,
injured and very expensive. I'd pass because the two other
guards are great, and Ceedee Lamb is not omor On
Saint Brown is a slot or AJ Brown is an
X receiver. And we're blaming McCarthy so maybe you could
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squeeze in Ceedee Lamb. But my take in is.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Ceedee Lamb in over a Monros Saint Brown. But aside
from that, I agree with everything you got there.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Go ahead, And that's an upstairs problem, that's a scout problem,
that's a general manager problem. Andy Reid is not beating
the Eagles and Lions with that in an offensive league.
Why not keep Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Well, I think your points well taken. But the reason
I have two significant reasons I wouldn't keep Mike McCarthy.
One is I think tangible, and one is more kind
of intangible. The tangible one is this, you have to
make some type of seismic change, and it's the only
one you can. You just signed the quarterback. There's only
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there's really only three major moves a team can make.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
One is front office change.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Well, in Dallas, front office is ownership, so that is
status quo.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Another is quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Well, in Dallas, they just re signed the quarterback to
the biggest deal in NFL history. This past offseason hasn't
even kicked in yet, so that can't change.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
The other is head coach. And I so.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Even if Mike McCarthy is not.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
The culprits here.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
It's the only chance they have at really shaking things up.
So I would go try to get Mike Rabel, who,
with a quarterback worse than Dak Prescott, made a conference
title game and then after that they went eleven and five,
twelve and five, and he was the one seed with
Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I would go try to do that.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
The other reason I would move on from McCarthy is
it's very weird how we kind of do the coaching math,
which is, let's say Dak never got hurt and this
Cowboys team was right now a twelve and four team,
you know, that was locked into the wildcart, and then
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they lost their first playoff game. Everyone would say, you
have to fire McCarthy because, like and so now that
was the standard going into this year was can't fall
flat on your face in the playoffs because they were
so bad. Never even got a chance to see him
in the playoffs. So now it's like the McCarthy expectation
clock has fully reset to where next year, this year
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they're sub five hundred if he keeps his job. Next year,
if they go ten and seven and get the seven
of the playoffs, so we're like, hey, improvement, definitely keep
his job, and we're just back to where we thought
we were this year, like in twenty twenty six. So I,
even if I don't think he's done a terrible job,
I have to change something significant. I can't change the
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front office. I can't change the quarterback, so I might
have to change coach.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So you know that when you and I believe in
something like you for years, believe that the Buffalo Bills
would beat themselves and America attacks you, it's hard not
to when you're proven right to just not explode with
joy and remind me.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Apecially when you're a tax for relentlessly called a hater,
called all these things, and then you're just showing proven right.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, so go ahead.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
For six years, I was mocked, ridiculed, and it was hurtful,
and I kept saying Sam Darnold can play the Panthers
and the Jets are dysfunctional, and so I'm trying not
to have confirmation bias. But he may be having one
of the great seasons in the last decade. Now. I'm
not denying Kevin O'Connell the receiving crew, but I think
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about this, Nick. The Vikings have never gotten a ring,
and it matters. If they were the Packers, you could say, hey,
we know quarterbacks, we'll let him go. We're gonna go
with JJ McCarthy because they got rings and they've proven
they can do that. Vikings don't super Bowl losers like
the Bills. How do you let Sam leave? How do
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you let the greatest year ever for a Vikings quarterback
walk out the door?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
So I at this point, barring a true collapse, and
by collapse, I mean they lose in Week eighteen and
then just look awful in the first playoff game, I
don't think they'll let him leave.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Now. I don't know that they'll do what.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
I'm sure he would like them to do, which is
give him a real contract. And I don't think he
would accept the Gino or the Baker contract, which leaves
us with the always unfair to the player.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
But the NFL will.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Never get rid of it franchise tag. To me, we
are we are moving rapidly down that path. Now, listen,
if they make the super Bowl, then I think and
which by the way, I think they can do. I
think they're going to be the one seed and they
can make the super Bowl. Then we talk long term contracts.
But if this playoff run ends the way I think
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Vegas thinks it will, which is in either the divisional
round or the conference championship round, I think Sam Darnold
gets franchise tag one year, forty two million dollars. And
you tell JJ McCarthy, hey, it's a good we drafted
you at twenty years old because you're still be young
when you finally get to play, and we figure that out.
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The part that I and I saw you do this yesterday.
This is what I want to say about Donald and
kind of a media criticism at large. I think NFL
media and I'm included in that, we do the MVP
discussion really poorly, which is we started so early that
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by week ten or eleven, it's almost like, hey, here
are the three or four eligible parties for MVP of
the league, and then it's an argument amongst them. Sam
Donald two weeks ago had the play of his life
to beat Seattle and stepped up in the pocket past
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Justin Jefferson a brilliant game to keep Minnesota life for
the one seed. Sam Donald last week played a nearly
perfect game of football, made the one mistake with the pick.
Responded immediately with a great drive to keep Minnesota life
for the one seed. If you put his numbers up
to honestly, any quarterback in the league, Lamar Jackson included,
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they're not.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's not like it's a ten to eight round.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
And other than Lamar, he compares favorably to just about
every quarterback that we're discussing for this. If they beat
Detroit and the Vikings are fifteen and two and this
guy's numbers are what they are, it is a reasonable
take to say Sam Darnold should be League MVP in
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the same vein that Hey, I still don't know how
it happened, but rich Gannon was a league and could
be like, there are some guys that don't have this, Like,
look at those numbers, and everyone talks about that. You know,
Lamar's having one of the greatest seasons ever, and by
the way, he is, but those numbers are similar, and
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obviously his numbers are far superior to Josh's. So I
just I think it's you. If you were to all
of a sudden, dude, the Sam Donald should be MVP,
people will just say, Colin, you're a Sam Donald homer,
which you, by the way, are. However, if it were
a fair argument. If the Vikings win fifteen games when
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they were projected to win six, and it's because he
has forty four hundred yards, thirty eight touchdowns and is
on a heater at the end of the year, that's
got to count for something.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, I think you even have to consider that Baltimore
and Buffalo have better rosters than Sam Donald. Sam Donald
has the better receiving corps, but so do. I mean,
let Joe Burrele's got a receiving corps that's remarkable. He
may not make the playoffs, probably won't. So yeah, it's
one of those things where I just know the Bills
not beating Kansas City has been your thing. Donald. I
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can't quit him. And I will say this well as
I've aged, it does make me happy. I always feel
like I've been lucky. I've landed with good bosses. I
think it's a shame. I think it's really cool that
Baker and Sam and I like Baker have both landed
with a great offensive mind. And it just shows that
if you keep your head down, you grind, eventually you'll
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find your king maker. That's kind of my take.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, I think that's very wise.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Words but you did just there maybe accidentally put into
the universe. And I know you like Baker, and I
know you two have you know, you know, come to
terms after what was a rocky beginning of your relationship.
You did just put out into the sports ether the
Nightmare Cowherd scenario, which is Bucks Vikings round one and
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Bake show kicks Arnold right out of the playoffs. That
is a four or five that we could see in
the Vikings lose on Sunday night and Baker is planting
his flag midfield at Tampa and Sam is sad you
don't want to deal with that, and that is a possibility.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I can hear the cough coming, the chest congestion coming.
I'm a little sick for that. Yeah. Absolutely, make first
things first, good seeing you, buddy. That would you know?
I Baker Mayfield, somebody asked him recently about me and
he said we're frenemies. Is that I offered him a
job at my company. I said, I think you'd be
a great podcaster. I told you, I think he could
be one of the great college football guys of all time.
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I think he's really really talented. And I am happy
because I feel I've had the good fortune over thirty
years of doing this as I've not always had great bosses,
but I've had a couple of really good ones. And
there's only so much you can do justin Herbert, There's
only so much you can do on just sheer talent.
You eventually need a kingmaker. You eventually need somebody that
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can get you to a place that you can't get
by yourself, because none of us can get there. So
it does make me happy that Baker go great GM
in Tampa. Mike Evans really good running game. I mean,
they've got like three running backs I like. And it's
like Baker and Sam are both proving keep your head down,
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grind at it, keep working your butt off, you will
eventually get a great boss. You will eventually get one.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
So Baker basically at the option of the a podcaster
or one of the top three quarterbacks in the NFC,
and he decided to be like a good quarterback. I mean, honestly,
you look at the NFC, he's up there. Oh there's
no I mean, like everybody loves Jared Goff, I get it.
If we switch Golf and Baker, that Baker.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Goes to the Lions and golf goes to the well, no.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
No, they're they're I means Jalen Hurts in the NFC
is Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think. I think golf is less reckless and a
better so it's a prettier deep ball. But Bake I
said this when I was criticizing Baker. Oh yeah, he's
one of the twenty best quarterbacks in the world, even
at his low point.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well that's not saying much.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I mean, well, by the way, Aaron Rodgers is about
eighteenth right now and the Jets are going to bring
him Matris.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Colin eighteenth, Daker or Aaron Rodgers next year?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Who you got, Well, I have. I don't have to
pay Aaron as much, so I would take Aaron for me.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
You're paying with the headaches. Yeah, but I call the nonsense.
There's no nonsense with Dak.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
He's getting hurt a lot, and every time he gets
hurt and comes out he's less of a player. Listen,
I've come to terms with Aaron brock Party or Aaron
Rodgers next year because well, well, brock Party is free,
so I take Brock. I mean, if you're free, I'm long.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
He's not free for long.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Man.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
You know, big year for Brock. He's in a contract year,
so were you. So let's get a lot of interesting
stuff happening.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I'm being franchise tagged.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
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That's Covino and Rich. A lot of stuff happening. Urban Meyer,
one of the two best college football coaches of my life,
along with Nick Saban's going to be joining us last hour.
We have our big bets Boise State tenn I getting
a lot of points. Now, Boise State's not built to
play from behind, but they get after the quarterback. They
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run the foot, they don't turn it over, they can
consume the clock. Very interesting. Team Jamack with the news.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
No, no, this is.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
The herd Line news, all right, Colin. The forty nine
ers obviously lost last night despite a great offensive performance.
They were pretty tremendous outside of the two picks.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
But it got worse afterward. Uh brock Purdy suffered an injury.
They're saying maybe nerve damage, and then the chatter started
about Kyle Shanahanah John Lynch and I think it was
overboard but team owner Jed York felt the need to
chime in. He said, they're not going anywhere, nor should they. Yeah,
I think it's a little silly. Pearsaw, by the way,
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a lot of injuries here.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I think they've got They've become a little wide receiver
obsessed in my opinion last couple of drafts. But I
will say this that Pearsall looks like we look good. Yeah,
he can play, and I mean he was a late
first round pick, and that's the hardest place to draft
in this league, is like twenty fifth down because you're
after about eighteen players. They're all second und guys. So
Piersol looks like he can play. I think I would move.
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I thought Debo's had the last couple of weeks. He's
been pretty something. I think they're gonna move one of
those receivers. But they're gonna shore up their O line
and D lines outside of Bosa.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I don't know where the audience is on like breaking
down teams in the offseason, but the Niners are utterly
fascinating Allan. Yeah, so many potential Deebo Samuel probably not
going to be in Sanfra next year because if Rockberdy
does get paid. As we anticipate, whether it's thirty, forty fifty, whatever,
they're gonna have to make some radical changes on that roster.
There's some linebackers who are probably gonna get run out.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
You can't have two expensive linebackers. And for the record,
Fred Warner is the best linebacker in the league in
green Law is a top five or six guy.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
I mean, you know you have Jinnings, I Yuk Piersall.
They have more than enough receivers.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I would not be surprised if they were a lot
of moves in San Fraan this offseason.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right now, they paid Debo. I would love to have
Devo on my team. You have to have the right
coach that understands his chess piece. You have to have
the right coordinator coach. Deebo doesn't work for a lot
of teams. He would work with Andy Reid Kingsbury, Washington. Yes,
that's the one I talked about. I think he works
in Washington. I think Deebo in Washington is a fascinating piece.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
And let's I know Brockberty's going to be a huge
talking point, but I will just say the kirk Cousins
name is one to watch. We know that everybody from
that Shanahan McVeigh tree, they've loved Kirk Cousins there, you
can go to Google.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
They've given tons of interviews.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Kirk Cousins is their guy because he is amazing with
the play action and that's what the Shanahan system runs on.
I would not rule out a Russell Wilson type situation
where remember Russell got moved off the Broncos and he
got on the cheep to Pittsburgh and look pretty good.
Kirk Cousins gonna be paid by Atlanta if he gets
moved on San Francisco, bring him on to you.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Can you see Kirk Cousins starting for the Niners next year?
If Rockberty comes in says I want to reset the market, Well.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, yeah, are you doing that? Yeah yeah. If you're
giving me a one guy for one year, I have
no problem with Kirk Cousins for a year.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
A drafted quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah. Next year's draft class is much better than this one,
no question. And why this year San Francisco is going
to go on offensive line drafting. I've been told they're
going to go after the shore up the old.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Line sounds about right.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Next up after being fired in Tennessee. At the end
of last season, Mike Rabel took on a job consulting
with the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland just gave permission for ra
Able to leave his position before the end of the season,
with the expectation Brabel will be interviewing for head coaching
openings around the league. You've linked him to Chicago, there's
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a New Orleans has an opening.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, I think I would. If I was New Orleans,
I would hire Brian Flores. If I was Chicago or
the Jets or New England, I would hire Brabel. Although
I'm well in New England. Well, there's a lot of
talk about him in New England. I don't think Craft
is going to blow out Girod Mayo. But again, Robert
his history. You know, he had Belichick forever and I
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think Mayo was his choice. So when you have to
admit your choice. But there is a story that's interesting.
So CBS had a game of the Patriots a couple
of weeks ago, and reportedly the Crafts wanted to be
on TV, and when they were, they were criticizing the
play calling and the coaching. I heard that that story
was on the interweb.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
So it must be true.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Well, I was just I asked somebody that covers the NFL,
a beat reporter, and they said they'd heard the same thing.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
What about Rabel going back to the AFC and the.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Jacksonville job opening, I think he'd be I think he could.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Crush in that division.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I'm gonna throw this out there. It's crazy, it sounds crazy.
Arizona moves off Kyler Murray. Jags move off Trevor Lawrence
in a terrible quarterback here. I think those guys would
have a market.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You hit me with a.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Lot of stuff here, Kyper Murray.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I think Arizona's getting tired of it. I think things
catch up to you when you're one in sixteen against
your division. Keep Gannon and move off Murray. Oh yeah,
keep Gannon offensive. This team's offensive pieces are too good
for what the offense looks like. And Kyler Murray in
a bad quarterback draft.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
He can play, So this should be Kyler So he
had Cliff Kingsbury just let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
The Raiders now keep winning, so you're not going to
get cam Ward and Shadeur Sanders, and I don't believe
these quarterbacks are worth giving up massive draft picks for,
So what do they do at quarterback?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Wouldbel go to the Raiders? Or are you saying Raiders?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
No, no, no, no, I'm talking let's get out of coaching, let's
talk quarterback. These quarterbacks Shadoor, Sanders and Cam are not
good enough to give up putt picks for. So my
take is, what do you do if you're the Raiders?
You overpay Sam Darnold, he gets franchised, keep your eye
on Trevor Lawrence and Kyler Murray. I'm just saying I
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would if I ran the Raiders and I'm not giving
up first round picks for Shador or Cam? What am
I going to do gets franchised? What am I gonna
do with him the Raiders?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
I think he said Trevor Lawrence is keeping Jacksonville from
moving to London.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Well, what he did when they signed and there was
a lot of discussions about that in that space. Now
they're not. I but my take is, I mean they
had him going to London twice a year.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
So would you rather have Trevor Lawrence or Cam wore
chedor Sanders in the draft?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I don't. If I'm Trevor now makes a lot of
money and he's like a C plus quarterback, so I
probably had their rookie.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
He had a C plus season.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But let's just get out of this. We're talking Raiders
to keep it on the raids. Okay, they're not gonna
move up to get Cam and Chador. I agree, What
are they gonna do? Ham and egging again because Antonio
Pierce and the GM would get fired. They gotta get
If I'm the GM, I am calling Jacksonville in Arizona
and saying, let's make an eel.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And you swing for Kyler Murray or or Lawrence one.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Of the options. I mean, this quarterback draft we just
watched is one of the greatest of all time. Aaron,
I know I would call on it. I think I
think everyon's going to have a market, I really do.
Not a huge market, but a market.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
All right, final.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Story, Colin, is uh, your Broncos and bow Nicks, they
are a win away from the playoffs, are huge favorites
against the Chiefs thirteen this week.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
However, they could have gotten it fun against the Bengals.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Nick threw a touchdown pass to pull with it a
point late in the fourth quarter. I think there was
like seven seconds left yep, bo Knicks threw up the
two fingers.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
We're going for two. We're going for two.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Sean Payton said, Uh so, here's Peyton talking about that decision.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
You go through it all the time, you know, relative
to what the call would have been based on the outcome.
You know, you you always second guess. You always do
that as a head coach, and so I trusted my
gut at the moment.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But yeah, I think the troble to do that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
You know, there's the old theory that on the road
you go for the win. Isn't that the isn't that
the thing?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
They also had the whole if we tie the game,
we get to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Well, here's my take. I thought about this. I would
have kicked the pat My take was, I have the
better roster. I'll play extra football. The better roster will
have been will win over time.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
You think Denver's got a better roster than Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Not even close. Cincinnatis at the worst defense in the league,
I mean, first of all time out o line, Denver's
top seven D line, not close. But what happened side
of Jamar Chase and t Higgins, what a Cincinnati like we.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Saw with the Washington Atlantic game.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
If the other team wins a coin toss and they
have a great quarterback, you're screwed. They're gonna go down
and score.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That's just how it works. Now.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Obviously this one didn't work out for them, But uh.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I get if I have the better roster and a
competent quarterback, I'll play another ten minutes. The more plays
the game has, the better team eventually wins. That's my take.
If I have an inferior roster and my defense has
been on the field and I got lucky and tied
the game in a Hail Mary, I'm going for two.
I thought that was kind of a lucky touchdown. It was,
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but I thought they'd played a good competitive game. There
were times in that game I thought Denver was gonna
pull away. I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Listen, it's easy to play armchair quarterback and say, oh,
you got to go for juil.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
That's right in the moment, Like, you don't have a
lot of time.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
You've got maybe twenty seconds on the sidelines, maybe less
than that, right to decide after the touchdown, what do
we do with the play.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
There's a lot happening. That's a tough thing to.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
It's easy for us to just sit up here in
bash Peyton or say nice job, but that's really tough
in the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I know you've done a lot of coaching in your life.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah a lot, Yeah yeah. Jmack with the news, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
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Speaker 1 (36:48):
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Speaker 4 (37:04):
Colin and j Matt make their.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Favorite big ten bets of the week. Okay, I'm gonna
take Boise State plus eleven to keep it close. First
of all, they have, you know, some would say after
Travis Hunter, the Locke to be a can't miss prospect.
This is a great all time running back. This kid's phenomenal.
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They have the best sack differential, great defense, great run game.
They're not built to come from behind. They don't have
much of a passing attack. But again, I think Penn
State off a blowout win at home and looking down
the road to a Notre Dame in Georgia. I think
this Boise State has always been a giant killer. I
think they can play. Their defense has held eight great
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opponents under twenty five points, and Penn State, by the way,
against top ten opponents in these big spots three and nineteen.
They haven't always been great. I think the game is
competitive even if State wins thirty twenty. I get the cover.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I like it. I'm with you on that one. I'm
gonna get started with a bit of a shocker here.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
I am gonna take Arizona State getting twelve and a
half against Texas Colin. This number came down over the weekend.
It was sitting at fourteen much of last week. Some big,
sharp money came in on the Sun Devils. I don't
know how much of it has to do with Cam Scatabow.
Camp Scattaboo, the great running back. I'm telling you, this
guy's awesome. He's like Mike Olstatt, but more athletic. If
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you remember the former Tampa running back and Colin. There
is a lot of chatter around Quinn viewers over the
last ten days. Okay, I kind of teased it on
the show and started to get upset when they were
asking about.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Quinn Ewers being his final game. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
I'm just telling you there was a lot of quinn
Eewers to Notre Dame transfer talk all. I am very
curious how Hey handles this because the NFL reports are
coming back and apparently they're not great on yours. So
I don't know how he's gonna play. We know arch
Manning is behind him. Arch man is the starter next year.
I think Arizona keeps this close Arizona State and gets
the cover against Texas.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I'm gonna take Ohio State, with a number one defense
in the country, to win minus two and cover against Oregon,
one of the worst defenses in the playoff. Oregon has
struggled against good offenses. Boise State. They struggled against Penn State,
they struggled against Ohio State. Both teams have good players.
One as a great defense, and say what you want
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about Will Howard thirty six tds and nine picks. He
had one awful game, one awful game. Ohio State's zero
and four last four years against Michigan. They're forty four
and four against everybody else. I'll take the Buckeyes who
win and cover.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, I'm with you again.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
I am starting to get nervous Colin, because you know,
I like to just talk to other gamblers and see what.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I haven't heard one person say they're on Oregon. Everybody's
on Ohio State. Oregon is undefeated.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
Okay, they have the better quarterback in this matchup right.
I don't know who the better coach is, but I
would lean toward Lanning. Would you not Landing over Day?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Probably?
Speaker 6 (39:54):
So you got the better quarterback and the better coach.
It's neutral site here. I'm nervous for Ohio State. I
just hope they I'm out slinging it like they did
against Tennessee. And I'm on the Buckeyes as well.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Okay, I'm gonna take Notre Dame plus one to beat Georgia.
Georgia's a team that's got a shaky O line. It's
not elite. They're on a backup quarterback. They've been out gained.
I mean, they have one hundredth ranked rushing offense in
football this year and a lot of it's just a
shaky O line. And a backup quarterback. I don't like it.
They're coming off back to back overtime wins. They struggle
to beat Georgia Tech Notre Dame Riley Leonard thirty two touchdowns,
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six picks. They can run it. They have an elite defense,
eight straight wins by ten plus points. They're playing with confidence.
Even when Brian Kelly was there. The last two times
they played Georgia, they went toe to toe. I think
they're gonna be the shaky O line and the backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I'm with you. I'm on the Irish here.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
I spent this week looking into this Gunner Stockton kid.
So he's this is third year in the program, sat
behind Stetson Bennett, sat behind Carson Beck, and he's like
a coach's son.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So he's a gamer. He breathes football, sleeps football.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
I'm a little nervous that he's going to come out
with some stuff that Notre Dame's not ready for. I
think he's taken like eighty six snaps this season, not
a lot of tape on him. But I trust Marcus
Freeman coaching in this spot, and I really think remember
last year JJ McCarthy had a chance against Alabama through
the early bad pick and then reboundered and everybody's like,
oh JJ, McCarthy's an NFL. This guy's a prospect. Riley
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Leonard is going to be in the same situation. George
is gonna stack the box say we dare you to
throw the football down the field. Riley Leonard delivers, and
I think his NFL stock goes up. I'll go Notre
Dame with the upset over Georgia. The SEC gets bounced
here and you know, you know the reaction will be
pretty brutal for the SEC.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Does Arizona State, in your opinion, have a chance to
beat Texas? Slim?
Speaker 6 (41:42):
I'll say slip, like winning Texas has I'm doing this
mock draft. Texas might have five or six guys in
the first two rounds Arizona State probably has none, like
Texas has a massive talent advantage. But you know, guys
get tight in situations. By the way, what are you
hearing on Sark and the Chicago Bear? Is anything interesting there?
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Now?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Did you hear something?
Speaker 8 (42:04):
Not?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Just you know, Bear's gonna kick the tires on everybody, right.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Well, if Sark loses to Arizona State, there'll be donors
that want him out. Yeah, we gotta move on, I
mean seriously, that and.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
If he wins a natty like he's a sharp offensive mind,
we like her.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Ryan Day loses to Oregon, so he can't beat Michigan
and loses twice to Oregon, and Ohio State's got more
five star guys the idea, I mean, the pressure remains
on Ohio State. They can lose in a natty to somebody,
they gotta win. So Oregon, Oregon, despite being the only
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undefeated team, will probably be the team that's looser and
half their rosters California kids. So that's that's to me,
the scary part if you're a if you're a Buckeye fail,
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it every week. This time the herd Hierarchy. Let's go
heard heard Hierarchy.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Time No, no go.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
The top ten NFL teams according to College well Tech.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
If they beat the Saints, they can clinch their four
straight division title. I've said it. I like their personnel.
Baker Mayfield leads the NFL and touchdown passes over the
last two years since he joined the Bucks. They're a
big play offense with excellent running backs. Jason Light's a
great GM. They've always got talent. When they've had good
quarterback play like Brady and Baker, they can play with anybody.
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Five and one over their last six games, blew the
Chargers out. That was a real eye opener. I don't
think they can hoist a trophy, but they could certainly
host a playoff game and knock off an injury riddle
Detroit if possible. Bucks at ten, number nine, I'm gonna
go Rams. They're offensive sluggishness in the first half is
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hard to explain. But their defense is really good and young,
and it's getting better. They've held opponents under twenty points
in three straight games. Matthew Stafford's having a very good
year over his last seven games of passer rating a
one ozh five. They're a little puka nukua dependent, so
I don't think they're a trophy team, but I have
them at nine number eight. I would put the Chargers
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at eight because they're quarterbacks younger at can run, and
I think that mobility is the difference between the two teams,
justin Herbert ninety nine passer rating hyper efficient, never reckless,
big with mobility. That gives them a slight edge in
my opinion over the Rams. Also, five of their six
losses have come to good teams the Chiefs, a couple
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of times, Ravens, Buccaneers. They're losing to the right teams.
I have them an eight number seven the Packers. I
thought the Packers could hoist a trophy, but they're zero
to five against the Lions, the Vikings, and the Eagles.
They're eleven to zero against everybody else. So they're a
bully against average to pretty good teams. They're not gonna
they're not gonna They're not gonna beat your Ravens. They're
not gonna beat your Chiefs Bills. That's not who they are.
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Six straight games without a giveaway, though, and I think
that's coaching in Matt Lafleur. They have taken some attempts
away from Jordan Love. They don't turn it over. They're
kind of a power run team. I have the Packers
at seven, number six, but you know, Lamar Jackson's better
than Jordan Love in my opinion, so I have them
at six, second largest rushing differential in a season in
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league history. They remain a run teams A Flowers and
Mark Andrews allows them to pass as well. But number
one scoring defense, number one total defense since week eleven.
You know, I love this organization. Kind of holding your
breath on what they look like in the January playoffs.
But the Ravens at six, number five. I thought Sam
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Darnold was amazing. I got him at five. They're tied
for the most takeaways in the league this year at
thirty one. That is the Brian Flores factor. The fact
that Brian Floores isn't front and center for everybody from
the Bears job to the Saints job. This defense does
not have elite personnel, but they're putting up elite takeaway stacks.
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That's a Brian Flores factor. By the way, Sam Donald's
the first quarterback in league history to win fourteen games
in his first season with a new team. Even Tom
Brady did not do that. Maybe Donald is better than
Brady when you think about it. Number four. Number four
Detroit stacked roster offensively, falling apart defensively. But I mean
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they have five games this year with forty or more
points than no turnovers. I mean, pretty easy for them.
They're clever, they can play power run. They're getting Montgomery
back four straight games for three plus touchdown passes. I
think we all know the story on them. If they
were healthy, they could win the Super Bowl. But we
don't trust their defense going forward. Number three Philadelphia. They're
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eleven to zero when Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown play
the number one total defense, they allow four point eight
yards of play, So that's pretty good in the NFL
and this day and age, four point eight yards of play.
Their O line and D line combination is the best
in the NFL. They got a great GM and they
got a roster to show for it. Do I worry
about the concussion. I would worry about it if it
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was in two weeks. I don't worry about it now.
I have them at number three, Number two the Bills.
The Bills have cut down on given the football away.
They only have eight giveaways and they've only allowed fourteen sacks.
So we always like Buffalo, but we thought, yeah, they'll
beat themselves. Well, they don't beat themselves this year. They
don't turn it over, they don't give you sack, don't
have a lot of negative plays, and they do it
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without a single thousand yard rusher or thousand yard receivers.
So they are still somewhat too reliant on Josh Allen.
But you know what, I like James Cook, I like
Kenkaid Dawson Knox. I like their receiving corps. Coleman's getting better.
I got at two. Number one, same old Chiefs, best coach,
best defensive coordinator, best quarterback, and arguably the best defensive lineman,
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Chris Jones. Let's just say this, it's the same team
we've seen, except I think it's a better offensive version
it always since Tyreek Hill left. It's a lot of
patchwork at receiver. That's what they've been for three years now.
And now they got Hollywood brown back. They wish they
had Rashi Rice, but that'll do. And Worthies become a
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real player and Travis Kelsey this is what they do
because they play mahomes what they pay him. And they
lost Tyreek Hill. This is the one unit they've tried
to kind of figure out and bring in a guy
for a year and this guy over there. But you
know what, third team in NFL history to go six
straight games without a without a turnover, So that's very rare.
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So you get all the upside and not a lot
of the downside. Best situational team in football and that's
that's not even arguable, although I will say Detroit on
third down and fourth down with Ben Johnson, you know
a coach, you know a team is rolling when they
go to the red zone in the congested area. Remember
Andy Read a couple of years the old in Super Bowl,
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they in the congested area, sky Moore is wide open.
Like you know, you have a good offensive scheme, and
this is what Shanahan does. Does anybody guard George Kittle
or is he just opened by twenty yards on every play?
So let's bring in Nick Right, co hosts First Things First,
he is now joining US Live. You know last week
you almost complimented me on the on the top ten.
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Anything bothery you?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
This week?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Lion's too high. Lions are going to lose to the
Vikings on Sunday, and after they could lose their first
playoff game. Defense is just to it's past the point
of no return. And I think I like a ton
of what Dan Campbell has done and has brought to
that organization. He's obviously a very good head coach, not
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taking anything away from him. However, his decision to play
as guys last night was objectively a mistake. You are
now in one of the highest leverage regular season games. Ever,
as far as its impact on who can win the
super Bowl, one seed or five seed will be determined
Sunday night in Game two seventy two. And you had
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a choice, have my banged up and most important players
have a bye week or have my entire team on
short rest having played Monday night, and he chose the
latter rather than the former, And I think it's a mistake,
and so I love who they are. Offensively, golf has
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been sensational. The running game hasn't really been hurt by
Montgomery being.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Out because Gibbs is so good.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I give them full credit, but that Niners team has
struggled to look like that offensively all year, and until
Purdy gave the game away, the Niners seam wheres moving
the ball up and down the field. I think Sam
Darnold's going to do the same thing. And then in
round one they'll either be facing the Rams or the Bucks,
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either of whom can move the ball.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
By the way, the Bucks beating them this year.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
The Rams took them to overtime this year, and that's
when the team was whole and healthy. So I think
Detroit's had an awesome season that unfortunately is going to
end quickly because of all the defensive injuries. And I
think Dan playing the players last night was a big mistake.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I tend to see myself as an ambassador of goodwill,
glass half full Colin optimist. Every morning I get labeled
a mean brock Purty guy. But to me, first half
a script, second half is talent. Rock Purty is now
a bad second half quarterback, and I'm supposed to pay
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him early and fifty million. I don't understand it. What
am I seeing that nobody else is. I mean, you
and I were both very hesitant on the Dak deal,
and we're right. I mean, I don't think Purty's as
good as Dak. Now, what do you make of this
idea that you have to pay him early?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
No, it's at this point, it'd be insane at this.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Especially with him and I understand, We hope, and it
looks like that injury last night is not us very
significant one, but it's a reminder that this is an
undersized player who has suffered, you know, one major injury
in his career, has been banged up a few other
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times in a relatively small career sample.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And all year long.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Last year, you and I said, listen, you can't deny
the production. I do question how much of it is
coaching talent and circumstances and what would he look like
in a league average situation, And amazingly, he got dropped
into a league average situation this year and now they're.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Six and ten.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
He wants this is the third straight week Colin. People
act like this was season from hell.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It wasn't. Didn't start that way. They were four and four.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Going into the by after the buye they beat Tampa
their best win of the year, they were a game
out of first place, and then the last three weeks,
starting with the playoffs on the line against the Rams,
down three fourth quarter infield goal range late throws the
game losing pick last week when they'd already been eliminated
from the playoffs, but still he's playing down five two
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minute warning on the other side of the plus side
of the fifty chance to go win the game pick
last night, leading the game throws after playing awesome for
the first half, awesome throws a terrible interception, and then
once again, fourth quarter down less than seven chance to
win the game or at least go take the lead,
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probably too early to win the game.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Pick.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
He is who we thought he was, and I think
the Niners know it too. So I don't know that
the Niners are gonna, you know, offer your guys Sam
Darnold a huge deal. I don't know that they're going
to spend a ton of money at the quarterback position.
Here's what I could see them doing, telling brock Purty, yet, listen,
you're under contract and you did not have a good.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Year three, so we're not going to pay you after
year three.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
And oh, by the way as it happens, Kyle Shanahan's
long lost love Kirk Cousins is gonna come play for
a million bucks as well. Don't worry, He's just gonna
back you up.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
So yeah, I think the idea of Brock Purty getting
the Tua or Trevor deal, even if he has accomplished
more than both of those players, went out the window
this past month.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So I showed this earlier. It's easy to blame Mike McCarthy,
but I showed this earlier. We have a graphic. I said,
if you take the two best rosters in the NFC,
I won't even count the AFC. I'll just go NFC.
And I put the Lions and Eagles best players just
offense because it's an offensive league, even the Chiefs. At
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some point you have to it's hard to make stops. Sure,
And I put it on the screen there, and only
two Cowboys would be considered. Zach Martin is now old,
injured and very expensive. I'd pass because the two other
guards are great, and Ceedee Lamb is not omor On
Saint Brown is a slot or AJ Brown is an
X receiver. And we're blaming McCarthy so maybe you could
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squeeze in Ceedee Lamb. But my take in is.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Ceedee Lamb in over a Monros Saint Brown. But aside
from that, I agree with everything you got there.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Go ahead, And that's an upstairs problem, that's a scout problem,
that's a general manager problem. Andy Reid is not beating
the Eagles and Lions with that in an offensive league.
Why not keep Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Well, I think your points well taken. But the reason
I have two significant reasons I wouldn't keep Mike McCarthy.
One is I think tangible, and one is more kind
of intangible. The tangible one is this, you have to
make some type of seismic change, and it's the only
one you can. You just signed the quarterback. There's only
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there's really only three major moves a team can make.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
One is front office change.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Well, in Dallas, front office is ownership, so that is
status quo.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Another is quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Well, in Dallas, they just re signed the quarterback to
the biggest deal in NFL history. This past offseason hasn't
even kicked in yet, so that can't change.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
The other is head coach. And I so.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Even if Mike McCarthy is not.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
The culprits here.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
It's the only chance they have at really shaking things up.
So I would go try to get Mike Rabel, who,
with a quarterback worse than Dak Prescott, made a conference
title game and then after that they went eleven and five,
twelve and five, and he was the one seed with
Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I would go try to do that.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
The other reason I would move on from McCarthy is
it's very weird how we kind of do the coaching math,
which is, let's say Dak never got hurt and this
Cowboys team was right now a twelve and four team,
you know, that was locked into the wildcart, and then
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they lost their first playoff game. Everyone would say, you
have to fire McCarthy because, like and so now that
was the standard going into this year was can't fall
flat on your face in the playoffs because they were
so bad. Never even got a chance to see him
in the playoffs. So now it's like the McCarthy expectation
clock has fully reset to where next year, this year
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they're sub five hundred if he keeps his job. Next year,
if they go ten and seven and get the seven
of the playoffs, so we're like, hey, improvement, definitely keep
his job, and we're just back to where we thought
we were this year, like in twenty twenty six. So I,
even if I don't think he's done a terrible job,
I have to change something significant. I can't change the
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front office. I can't change the quarterback, so I might
have to change coach.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So you know that when you and I believe in
something like you for years, believe that the Buffalo Bills
would beat themselves and America attacks you, it's hard not
to when you're proven right to just not explode with
joy and remind me.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Apecially when you're a tax for relentlessly called a hater,
called all these things, and then you're just showing proven right.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, so go ahead.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
For six years, I was mocked, ridiculed, and it was hurtful,
and I kept saying Sam Darnold can play the Panthers
and the Jets are dysfunctional, and so I'm trying not
to have confirmation bias. But he may be having one
of the great seasons in the last decade. Now. I'm
not denying Kevin O'Connell the receiving crew, but I think
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about this, Nick. The Vikings have never gotten a ring,
and it matters. If they were the Packers, you could say, hey,
we know quarterbacks, we'll let him go. We're gonna go
with JJ McCarthy because they got rings and they've proven
they can do that. Vikings don't super Bowl losers like
the Bills. How do you let Sam leave? How do
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you let the greatest year ever for a Vikings quarterback
walk out the door?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
So I at this point, barring a true collapse, and
by collapse, I mean they lose in Week eighteen and
then just look awful in the first playoff game, I
don't think they'll let him leave.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Now. I don't know that they'll do what.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
I'm sure he would like them to do, which is
give him a real contract. And I don't think he
would accept the Gino or the Baker contract, which leaves
us with the always unfair to the player.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
But the NFL will.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Never get rid of it franchise tag. To me, we
are we are moving rapidly down that path. Now, listen,
if they make the super Bowl, then I think and
which by the way, I think they can do. I
think they're going to be the one seed and they
can make the super Bowl. Then we talk long term contracts.
But if this playoff run ends the way I think
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Vegas thinks it will, which is in either the divisional
round or the conference championship round, I think Sam Darnold
gets franchise tag one year, forty two million dollars. And
you tell JJ McCarthy, hey, it's a good we drafted
you at twenty years old because you're still be young
when you finally get to play, and we figure that out.
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The part that I and I saw you do this yesterday.
This is what I want to say about Donald and
kind of a media criticism at large. I think NFL
media and I'm included in that, we do the MVP
discussion really poorly, which is we started so early that
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by week ten or eleven, it's almost like, hey, here
are the three or four eligible parties for MVP of
the league, and then it's an argument amongst them. Sam
Donald two weeks ago had the play of his life
to beat Seattle and stepped up in the pocket past
(19:49):
Justin Jefferson a brilliant game to keep Minnesota life for
the one seed. Sam Donald last week played a nearly
perfect game of football, made the one mistake with the pick.
Responded immediately with a great drive to keep Minnesota life
for the one seed. If you put his numbers up
to honestly, any quarterback in the league, Lamar Jackson included,
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they're not.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's not like it's a ten to eight round.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
And other than Lamar, he compares favorably to just about
every quarterback that we're discussing for this. If they beat
Detroit and the Vikings are fifteen and two and this
guy's numbers are what they are, it is a reasonable
take to say Sam Darnold should be League MVP in
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the same vein that Hey, I still don't know how
it happened, but rich Gannon was a league and could
be like, there are some guys that don't have this, Like,
look at those numbers, and everyone talks about that. You know,
Lamar's having one of the greatest seasons ever, and by
the way, he is, but those numbers are similar, and
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obviously his numbers are far superior to Josh's. So I
just I think it's you. If you were to all
of a sudden, dude, the Sam Donald should be MVP,
people will just say, Colin, you're a Sam Donald homer,
which you, by the way, are. However, if it were
a fair argument. If the Vikings win fifteen games when
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they were projected to win six, and it's because he
has forty four hundred yards, thirty eight touchdowns and is
on a heater at the end of the year, that's
got to count for something.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, I think you even have to consider that Baltimore
and Buffalo have better rosters than Sam Donald. Sam Donald
has the better receiving corps, but so do. I mean,
let Joe Burrele's got a receiving corps that's remarkable. He
may not make the playoffs, probably won't. So yeah, it's
one of those things where I just know the Bills
not beating Kansas City has been your thing. Donald. I
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can't quit him. And I will say this well as
I've aged, it does make me happy. I always feel
like I've been lucky. I've landed with good bosses. I
think it's a shame. I think it's really cool that
Baker and Sam and I like Baker have both landed
with a great offensive mind. And it just shows that
if you keep your head down, you grind, eventually you'll
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find your king maker. That's kind of my take.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, I think that's very wise.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Words but you did just there maybe accidentally put into
the universe. And I know you like Baker, and I
know you two have you know, you know, come to
terms after what was a rocky beginning of your relationship.
You did just put out into the sports ether the
Nightmare Cowherd scenario, which is Bucks Vikings round one and
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Bake show kicks Arnold right out of the playoffs. That
is a four or five that we could see in
the Vikings lose on Sunday night and Baker is planting
his flag midfield at Tampa and Sam is sad you
don't want to deal with that, and that is a possibility.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I can hear the cough coming, the chest congestion coming.
I'm a little sick for that. Yeah. Absolutely, make first
things first, good seeing you, buddy. That would you know?
I Baker Mayfield, somebody asked him recently about me and
he said we're frenemies. Is that I offered him a
job at my company. I said, I think you'd be
a great podcaster. I told you, I think he could
be one of the great college football guys of all time.
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I think he's really really talented. And I am happy
because I feel I've had the good fortune over thirty
years of doing this as I've not always had great bosses,
but I've had a couple of really good ones. And
there's only so much you can do justin Herbert, There's
only so much you can do on just sheer talent.
You eventually need a kingmaker. You eventually need somebody that
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can get you to a place that you can't get
by yourself, because none of us can get there. So
it does make me happy that Baker go great GM
in Tampa. Mike Evans really good running game. I mean,
they've got like three running backs I like. And it's
like Baker and Sam are both proving keep your head down,
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grind at it, keep working your butt off, you will
eventually get a great boss. You will eventually get one.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
So Baker basically at the option of the a podcaster
or one of the top three quarterbacks in the NFC,
and he decided to be like a good quarterback. I mean, honestly,
you look at the NFC, he's up there. Oh there's
no I mean, like everybody loves Jared Goff, I get it.
If we switch Golf and Baker, that Baker.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Goes to the Lions and golf goes to the well, no.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
No, they're they're I means Jalen Hurts in the NFC
is Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think. I think golf is less reckless and a
better so it's a prettier deep ball. But Bake I
said this when I was criticizing Baker. Oh yeah, he's
one of the twenty best quarterbacks in the world, even
at his low point.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well that's not saying much.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I mean, well, by the way, Aaron Rodgers is about
eighteenth right now and the Jets are going to bring
him Matris.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Colin eighteenth, Daker or Aaron Rodgers next year?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Who you got, Well, I have. I don't have to
pay Aaron as much, so I would take Aaron for me.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
You're paying with the headaches. Yeah, but I call the nonsense.
There's no nonsense with Dak.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
He's getting hurt a lot, and every time he gets
hurt and comes out he's less of a player. Listen,
I've come to terms with Aaron brock Party or Aaron
Rodgers next year because well, well, brock Party is free,
so I take Brock. I mean, if you're free, I'm long.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
He's not free for long.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Man.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
You know, big year for Brock. He's in a contract year,
so were you. So let's get a lot of interesting
stuff happening.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I'm being franchise tagged.
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Speaker 1 (26:38):
That's Covino and Rich. A lot of stuff happening. Urban Meyer,
one of the two best college football coaches of my life,
along with Nick Saban's going to be joining us last hour.
We have our big bets Boise State tenn I getting
a lot of points. Now, Boise State's not built to
play from behind, but they get after the quarterback. They
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run the foot, they don't turn it over, they can
consume the clock. Very interesting. Team Jamack with the news.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
No, no, this is.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
The herd Line news, all right, Colin. The forty nine
ers obviously lost last night despite a great offensive performance.
They were pretty tremendous outside of the two picks.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
But it got worse afterward. Uh brock Purdy suffered an injury.
They're saying maybe nerve damage, and then the chatter started
about Kyle Shanahanah John Lynch and I think it was
overboard but team owner Jed York felt the need to
chime in. He said, they're not going anywhere, nor should they. Yeah,
I think it's a little silly. Pearsaw, by the way,
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a lot of injuries here.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I think they've got They've become a little wide receiver
obsessed in my opinion last couple of drafts. But I
will say this that Pearsall looks like we look good. Yeah,
he can play, and I mean he was a late
first round pick, and that's the hardest place to draft
in this league, is like twenty fifth down because you're
after about eighteen players. They're all second und guys. So
Piersol looks like he can play. I think I would move.
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I thought Debo's had the last couple of weeks. He's
been pretty something. I think they're gonna move one of
those receivers. But they're gonna shore up their O line
and D lines outside of Bosa.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I don't know where the audience is on like breaking
down teams in the offseason, but the Niners are utterly
fascinating Allan. Yeah, so many potential Deebo Samuel probably not
going to be in Sanfra next year because if Rockberdy
does get paid. As we anticipate, whether it's thirty, forty fifty, whatever,
they're gonna have to make some radical changes on that roster.
There's some linebackers who are probably gonna get run out.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
You can't have two expensive linebackers. And for the record,
Fred Warner is the best linebacker in the league in
green Law is a top five or six guy.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
I mean, you know you have Jinnings, I Yuk Piersall.
They have more than enough receivers.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I would not be surprised if they were a lot
of moves in San Fraan this offseason.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right now, they paid Debo. I would love to have
Devo on my team. You have to have the right
coach that understands his chess piece. You have to have
the right coordinator coach. Deebo doesn't work for a lot
of teams. He would work with Andy Reid Kingsbury, Washington. Yes,
that's the one I talked about. I think he works
in Washington. I think Deebo in Washington is a fascinating piece.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
And let's I know Brockberty's going to be a huge
talking point, but I will just say the kirk Cousins
name is one to watch. We know that everybody from
that Shanahan McVeigh tree, they've loved Kirk Cousins there, you
can go to Google.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
They've given tons of interviews.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Kirk Cousins is their guy because he is amazing with
the play action and that's what the Shanahan system runs on.
I would not rule out a Russell Wilson type situation
where remember Russell got moved off the Broncos and he
got on the cheep to Pittsburgh and look pretty good.
Kirk Cousins gonna be paid by Atlanta if he gets
moved on San Francisco, bring him on to you.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Can you see Kirk Cousins starting for the Niners next year?
If Rockberty comes in says I want to reset the market, Well.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, yeah, are you doing that? Yeah yeah. If you're
giving me a one guy for one year, I have
no problem with Kirk Cousins for a year.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
A drafted quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah. Next year's draft class is much better than this one,
no question. And why this year San Francisco is going
to go on offensive line drafting. I've been told they're
going to go after the shore up the old.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Line sounds about right.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Next up after being fired in Tennessee. At the end
of last season, Mike Rabel took on a job consulting
with the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland just gave permission for ra
Able to leave his position before the end of the season,
with the expectation Brabel will be interviewing for head coaching
openings around the league. You've linked him to Chicago, there's
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a New Orleans has an opening.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, I think I would. If I was New Orleans,
I would hire Brian Flores. If I was Chicago or
the Jets or New England, I would hire Brabel. Although
I'm well in New England. Well, there's a lot of
talk about him in New England. I don't think Craft
is going to blow out Girod Mayo. But again, Robert
his history. You know, he had Belichick forever and I
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think Mayo was his choice. So when you have to
admit your choice. But there is a story that's interesting.
So CBS had a game of the Patriots a couple
of weeks ago, and reportedly the Crafts wanted to be
on TV, and when they were, they were criticizing the
play calling and the coaching. I heard that that story
was on the interweb.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
So it must be true.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Well, I was just I asked somebody that covers the NFL,
a beat reporter, and they said they'd heard the same thing.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
What about Rabel going back to the AFC and the.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Jacksonville job opening, I think he'd be I think he could.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Crush in that division.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I'm gonna throw this out there. It's crazy, it sounds crazy.
Arizona moves off Kyler Murray. Jags move off Trevor Lawrence
in a terrible quarterback here. I think those guys would
have a market.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You hit me with a.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Lot of stuff here, Kyper Murray.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I think Arizona's getting tired of it. I think things
catch up to you when you're one in sixteen against
your division. Keep Gannon and move off Murray. Oh yeah,
keep Gannon offensive. This team's offensive pieces are too good
for what the offense looks like. And Kyler Murray in
a bad quarterback draft.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
He can play, So this should be Kyler So he
had Cliff Kingsbury just let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
The Raiders now keep winning, so you're not going to
get cam Ward and Shadeur Sanders, and I don't believe
these quarterbacks are worth giving up massive draft picks for,
So what do they do at quarterback?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Wouldbel go to the Raiders? Or are you saying Raiders?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
No, no, no, no, I'm talking let's get out of coaching, let's
talk quarterback. These quarterbacks Shadoor, Sanders and Cam are not
good enough to give up putt picks for. So my
take is, what do you do if you're the Raiders?
You overpay Sam Darnold, he gets franchised, keep your eye
on Trevor Lawrence and Kyler Murray. I'm just saying I
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would if I ran the Raiders and I'm not giving
up first round picks for Shador or Cam? What am
I going to do gets franchised? What am I gonna
do with him the Raiders?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
I think he said Trevor Lawrence is keeping Jacksonville from
moving to London.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Well, what he did when they signed and there was
a lot of discussions about that in that space. Now
they're not. I but my take is, I mean they
had him going to London twice a year.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
So would you rather have Trevor Lawrence or Cam wore
chedor Sanders in the draft?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I don't. If I'm Trevor now makes a lot of
money and he's like a C plus quarterback, so I
probably had their rookie.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
He had a C plus season.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But let's just get out of this. We're talking Raiders
to keep it on the raids. Okay, they're not gonna
move up to get Cam and Chador. I agree, What
are they gonna do? Ham and egging again because Antonio
Pierce and the GM would get fired. They gotta get
If I'm the GM, I am calling Jacksonville in Arizona
and saying, let's make an eel.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And you swing for Kyler Murray or or Lawrence one.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Of the options. I mean, this quarterback draft we just
watched is one of the greatest of all time. Aaron,
I know I would call on it. I think I
think everyon's going to have a market, I really do.
Not a huge market, but a market.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
All right, final.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Story, Colin, is uh, your Broncos and bow Nicks, they
are a win away from the playoffs, are huge favorites
against the Chiefs thirteen this week.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
However, they could have gotten it fun against the Bengals.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Nick threw a touchdown pass to pull with it a
point late in the fourth quarter. I think there was
like seven seconds left yep, bo Knicks threw up the
two fingers.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
We're going for two. We're going for two.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Sean Payton said, Uh so, here's Peyton talking about that decision.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
You go through it all the time, you know, relative
to what the call would have been based on the outcome.
You know, you you always second guess. You always do
that as a head coach, and so I trusted my
gut at the moment.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But yeah, I think the troble to do that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
You know, there's the old theory that on the road
you go for the win. Isn't that the isn't that
the thing?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
They also had the whole if we tie the game,
we get to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Well, here's my take. I thought about this. I would
have kicked the pat My take was, I have the
better roster. I'll play extra football. The better roster will
have been will win over time.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
You think Denver's got a better roster than Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Not even close. Cincinnatis at the worst defense in the league,
I mean, first of all time out o line, Denver's
top seven D line, not close. But what happened side
of Jamar Chase and t Higgins, what a Cincinnati like we.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Saw with the Washington Atlantic game.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
If the other team wins a coin toss and they
have a great quarterback, you're screwed. They're gonna go down
and score.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That's just how it works. Now.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Obviously this one didn't work out for them, But uh.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I get if I have the better roster and a
competent quarterback, I'll play another ten minutes. The more plays
the game has, the better team eventually wins. That's my take.
If I have an inferior roster and my defense has
been on the field and I got lucky and tied
the game in a Hail Mary, I'm going for two.
I thought that was kind of a lucky touchdown. It was,
(36:01):
but I thought they'd played a good competitive game. There
were times in that game I thought Denver was gonna
pull away. I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Listen, it's easy to play armchair quarterback and say, oh,
you got to go for juil.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
That's right in the moment, Like, you don't have a
lot of time.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
You've got maybe twenty seconds on the sidelines, maybe less
than that, right to decide after the touchdown, what do
we do with the play.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
There's a lot happening. That's a tough thing to.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
It's easy for us to just sit up here in
bash Peyton or say nice job, but that's really tough
in the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I know you've done a lot of coaching in your life.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah a lot, Yeah yeah. Jmack with the news, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Line newban Meyer. Next hour, we're picking these college football games.
He's on a heater.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Next be sure to catch live editions of The Herd
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Speaker 1 (36:48):
All right, Big bets brought to you by Draft Kings Sportsbook.
The Crown is yours and here we go. Bowl games
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Speaker 4 (37:04):
Colin and j Matt make their.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Favorite big ten bets of the week. Okay, I'm gonna
take Boise State plus eleven to keep it close. First
of all, they have, you know, some would say after
Travis Hunter, the Locke to be a can't miss prospect.
This is a great all time running back. This kid's phenomenal.
(37:26):
They have the best sack differential, great defense, great run game.
They're not built to come from behind. They don't have
much of a passing attack. But again, I think Penn
State off a blowout win at home and looking down
the road to a Notre Dame in Georgia. I think
this Boise State has always been a giant killer. I
think they can play. Their defense has held eight great
(37:47):
opponents under twenty five points, and Penn State, by the way,
against top ten opponents in these big spots three and nineteen.
They haven't always been great. I think the game is
competitive even if State wins thirty twenty. I get the cover.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I like it. I'm with you on that one. I'm
gonna get started with a bit of a shocker here.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
I am gonna take Arizona State getting twelve and a
half against Texas Colin. This number came down over the weekend.
It was sitting at fourteen much of last week. Some big,
sharp money came in on the Sun Devils. I don't
know how much of it has to do with Cam Scatabow.
Camp Scattaboo, the great running back. I'm telling you, this
guy's awesome. He's like Mike Olstatt, but more athletic. If
(38:27):
you remember the former Tampa running back and Colin. There
is a lot of chatter around Quinn viewers over the
last ten days. Okay, I kind of teased it on
the show and started to get upset when they were
asking about.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Quinn Ewers being his final game. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
I'm just telling you there was a lot of quinn
Eewers to Notre Dame transfer talk all. I am very
curious how Hey handles this because the NFL reports are
coming back and apparently they're not great on yours. So
I don't know how he's gonna play. We know arch
Manning is behind him. Arch man is the starter next year.
I think Arizona keeps this close Arizona State and gets
the cover against Texas.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I'm gonna take Ohio State, with a number one defense
in the country, to win minus two and cover against Oregon,
one of the worst defenses in the playoff. Oregon has
struggled against good offenses. Boise State. They struggled against Penn State,
they struggled against Ohio State. Both teams have good players.
One as a great defense, and say what you want
(39:21):
about Will Howard thirty six tds and nine picks. He
had one awful game, one awful game. Ohio State's zero
and four last four years against Michigan. They're forty four
and four against everybody else. I'll take the Buckeyes who
win and cover.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, I'm with you again.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
I am starting to get nervous Colin, because you know,
I like to just talk to other gamblers and see what.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I haven't heard one person say they're on Oregon. Everybody's
on Ohio State. Oregon is undefeated.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
Okay, they have the better quarterback in this matchup right.
I don't know who the better coach is, but I
would lean toward Lanning. Would you not Landing over Day?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Probably?
Speaker 6 (39:54):
So you got the better quarterback and the better coach.
It's neutral site here. I'm nervous for Ohio State. I
just hope they I'm out slinging it like they did
against Tennessee. And I'm on the Buckeyes as well.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Okay, I'm gonna take Notre Dame plus one to beat Georgia.
Georgia's a team that's got a shaky O line. It's
not elite. They're on a backup quarterback. They've been out gained.
I mean, they have one hundredth ranked rushing offense in
football this year and a lot of it's just a
shaky O line. And a backup quarterback. I don't like it.
They're coming off back to back overtime wins. They struggle
to beat Georgia Tech Notre Dame Riley Leonard thirty two touchdowns,
(40:28):
six picks. They can run it. They have an elite defense,
eight straight wins by ten plus points. They're playing with confidence.
Even when Brian Kelly was there. The last two times
they played Georgia, they went toe to toe. I think
they're gonna be the shaky O line and the backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I'm with you. I'm on the Irish here.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
I spent this week looking into this Gunner Stockton kid.
So he's this is third year in the program, sat
behind Stetson Bennett, sat behind Carson Beck, and he's like
a coach's son.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So he's a gamer. He breathes football, sleeps football.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
I'm a little nervous that he's going to come out
with some stuff that Notre Dame's not ready for. I
think he's taken like eighty six snaps this season, not
a lot of tape on him. But I trust Marcus
Freeman coaching in this spot, and I really think remember
last year JJ McCarthy had a chance against Alabama through
the early bad pick and then reboundered and everybody's like,
oh JJ, McCarthy's an NFL. This guy's a prospect. Riley
(41:20):
Leonard is going to be in the same situation. George
is gonna stack the box say we dare you to
throw the football down the field. Riley Leonard delivers, and
I think his NFL stock goes up. I'll go Notre
Dame with the upset over Georgia. The SEC gets bounced
here and you know, you know the reaction will be
pretty brutal for the SEC.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Does Arizona State, in your opinion, have a chance to
beat Texas? Slim?
Speaker 6 (41:42):
I'll say slip, like winning Texas has I'm doing this
mock draft. Texas might have five or six guys in
the first two rounds Arizona State probably has none, like
Texas has a massive talent advantage. But you know, guys
get tight in situations. By the way, what are you
hearing on Sark and the Chicago Bear? Is anything interesting there?
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Now?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Did you hear something?
Speaker 8 (42:04):
Not?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Just you know, Bear's gonna kick the tires on everybody, right.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Well, if Sark loses to Arizona State, there'll be donors
that want him out. Yeah, we gotta move on, I
mean seriously, that and.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
If he wins a natty like he's a sharp offensive mind,
we like her.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Ryan Day loses to Oregon, so he can't beat Michigan
and loses twice to Oregon, and Ohio State's got more
five star guys the idea, I mean, the pressure remains
on Ohio State. They can lose in a natty to somebody,
they gotta win. So Oregon, Oregon, despite being the only
(42:39):
undefeated team, will probably be the team that's looser and
half their rosters California kids. So that's that's to me,
the scary part if you're a if you're a Buckeye fail,
you
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