April 25, 2025 • 40 mins
Albert Breer joins The Herd to talk about the first round of the NFL Draft, where Shedeur Sanders might fall, and what to expect in the later rounds
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, Albert two.
Albert Breer is gonna join us. There were a couple
of teams looking to move off. We're gonna ask Albert
about that. And the top of the second round, there
are some big time players. Will Johnson cornerback Michigan. Some
injury stuff fell out, somebody's getting a real good corner.
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Somebody's getting a real good corners. Tradyon Henderson running back
Ohio State has a really good player. I'll make this argument,
Shador Sandriy, that's a pretty good second round quarterback. Now,
Historically people take quarterbacks in the first round because they
view miss starters, or they take him in the third
round they view him as back dup. Teams don't draft
a lot of quarterbacks. Drew Brees, Andy Dalton work, Derek
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Carr was, but they're most of your quarterbacks, you're great ones.
They most come in the first If a team drafts
you first, they view you as a starter, even late first.
There's a small number of quarterbacks in the last fifteen
years drafted in the second round that becomes starters. Everybody
passed on Shador. I think it's a mistake, but I'm
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not a professional scout.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, professional scouts get it wrong a lot too. But Colin,
you know who can't take Shador in the second round?
Cannot Pittsburgh Steeler. Yeah, they don't have a second round pick.
So and we talked about this during the breakout. Was
just talking with Zach about it. If Aaron Rodgers gives Pittsburgh,
I think I'm just going to retire.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
They're screwed.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Mason Rudolph and Skyler Thompson are your quarterbacks at Pittsburgh, right,
So that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So what do you do as a team. I can't
beat up on Pittsburgh because of this. They have a
very good scouting department. And the last time they didn't
trust their instincts and reached it was Kenny Pickett and
he was a top of the third round prospect. Shadoor
Sanders is not a first round prospect to NFL general managers,
So do you just take him? Now? They don't have
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a pick until late third. So Aaron Rodgers has now
owned four teams only quarterback ever, the Packers, the Jets,
the Steelers, and the Bears. I mean, so it's a
very weird situation. But their scouting department historically they went
defensive lineman, which is so Pittsburgh it hurts. But if
your scouting department and their's is excellent, they have an
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excellent roster. I don't necessarily love their defense first culture
they spend too much money on defense, not enough on offense.
But if their scouting department doesn't like him and nobody
else's did nobody else drafted Shador And I don't think
anybody but the Giants would have moved up for Jackson Dart. So, well,
who's your quarterback going to be? Well, it's a very
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very interesting next year draft, and Mason Rudolph, you're probably
a six s win team. That's probably what you are.
Here's Mike Tomlan on going with a defensive lineman.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
There's no substitute for young talent. You don't have a
chance to fill the quality defense unless you stout inside
and up front. And this is a young guy man
that has an opportunity to learn from the likes of
Cam Heyward and put his hand in that pile and
be a significant contributor for us for years to come.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Again, hard for me to criticize an organization that drafts well.
The Steelers draft well. The Packers draft well. So Harmon's
a defensive lineman from Oregon. Oregon puts a lot of
dudes in the NFL. Mike Tomlin knows defense. If you
all love the quarterbacks, they did reach before and it
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cost him. It was a wasted draft pick. They wasted
a year and a half of their life pretending Kenny
Pickle was the guy. So I can respect somebody just saying, listen,
we need a quarterback. But what we don't want to
do if you do draft a quarterback there and he's
not the guy, then you have to fake it for
two years. So what if Pittsburgh just saying we'll go
get Jalen Milroll late third round if he's available, We'll
try that. But at third round, you can give him
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one year and if it doesn't work, you're on the problem.
Drafting a quarterback in the first round, you gotta kind
of fake it. Oh, we're all in on this guy,
even if half you know in the building by Thanksgiving
of his rookie year he can't play. I mean, then
all of a sudden you get into a Daniel Jones
situation where you're like, yeah, I can't, No, he can't,
and then you start validating your draft pick and you
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sign him to an extension. So if you don't like him,
don't draft him. I'd rather Pittsburgh stink next year and
get a better draft pick. I mean, Pittsburgh doesn't draft
in the top ten very often. They're gonna need to
next year. So that's sort of how I view it. Okay,
Albert Breer is joining US Money Morning quoteraback, all right.
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I was told by people I trust that a couple
of offensive coaches did like Colston Lovelin a lot, but
the Bears took him at ten. Was there anything else
that you had heard about teams trying to move up
but they just the price tag was too much.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
I don't think they're very many teams trying to move
up at all. Like I honestly think you had so
many teams that were looking to go down that I
think the teams that were looking to go up were
kind of sharks about it, you know, and figuring this
is a buyer's market, there are way more sellers and
we can go find ourselves a deal. And so you know,
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I know, for New England at four, for Cleveland at five,
the phone didn't even ring because of the stuff that
had happened during the week, where during the week it
was just the logistics of the class got in the
way of trades happening. And look, I think a huge
part of that too, Colin. I mean, teams just didn't
see there being a big difference between four and fifteen
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or five and twenty. Yeah, And I think even that
even was reflected later in the round. Like the reason
the Falcons trade up into the bottom of the first
round to twenty six to get James Pearce is that's
the guy that they would have taken at fifteen if
Jalen Walker hadn't slipped to fifteen. So there was a
lot of volatility to the class, a lot of unpredictability
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to the class, and I don't know that there was
a ton of reason for people to move up and
go and get a singular player again. And amongst a
group where there just weren't a lot of Blue Chippers
those first round returns for some of those players, for
some of those picks, those just weren't there.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So if you go look at what the Giants did,
which is they moved up in a group of teams
that don't need quarterbacks, and they had the number two
pick today, so they must have felt somebody else was
going to move up for Jackson Dart, but Shadure was
still on the board. So the truth is, if a
team wanted a quarterback, they may have gone Shadure. So
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my takeaway is you're not a good team. You're in
a division with surging Washington and loaded Philadelphia. I would
not be giving up lots and lots of second and
third round draft picks. It's not an attack on Jackson Dart,
but in that late first round, those were teams with quarterbacks,
and you had top of the second round, and both
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Shador and Jacksonville were probably gonna be there. I didn't
love that move.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah, so I guess the Giants concern would be would
be too full. Number one, they were behind the Browns
who needed a quarterback, and then you start to ask
around and there were a lot of teams there at
the bottom of the at the bottom of the first
round that we're looking to get out. I think my
count at the end was like eight of the teams
from twenty to thirty two were actively trying to move
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the picks and actively trying and take advantage of the
fact that there might be a couple of teams at
the top of the second round that were that were
that were that were looking to move up for quarterbacks.
And so I think as much as anything else, you
look at it, if you're the Giants, you say, Okay,
it's hard for us to justify if our jobs are
on the line. If you're Joe Shannon, Brian dave Ball,
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taking someone with a third overall pick was not going
to help me today, right like, And if you draft
a quarterback and he goes into a room with Russell
Wilson and Jameis Winston, he might not help you today,
Abdulla Carter will help them in twenty twenty five. So
we're not going to spend the third overall pick on
a quarterback. We don't value them there. We know the
league doesn't value them there outside of cam Ward. And
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then you look at it and say Okay, if we
go back into the first round, now we're as short
of getting our guy, we get the fifth year option
on him, which is valuable. Is there a spot there
where a team is going to be willing enough to
give us a decent price to go down where we
don't have to give up next year's first round pick
to go into the bottom of the first round. And
so there were again a lot of teams trying to
sell off picks, trying to take advantage of those teams
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at the top of the second round that didn't have
quarterbacks that could look to come into the bottom of
the first and get one. And I mean, if you
want to just look at it on balance, the team
they jumped in front of was the Rams, and I
think the idea there there were some whispers the Rams
lights Jackson Dart. I don't think there's a world where
they would have taken and Dart. But maybe for the Giants,
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just a certainty of knowing you got your guy was
worth going up that high to get him again, with
all the other conditions that I laid out in mind.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
By the way, the Ohio State Amecca Buca went up higher.
Great character. Tyler Booker Alabama team captain, great character. I
kind of thought that the NFL, this NFL, this nil
thing with a Tennessee quarterback going to UCLA taking a picket,
nobody wanted him and should do her. It's not the
end of the world, but you know, the the New
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York Giant cleats legendary in his draft room. You know,
a little humility could have done him well. I don't know,
it's not the end of the world, but I felt
like I felt like with that Tennessee quarterback that went
to UCLA, college football sent a message and by Booker
moving up and a Mecca moving up a plus character guys,
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it was a little bit of messaging that, you know what,
it's not a great draft character. Maybe the difference here,
that was my interption.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I'll give you, I'll give you two more, two more
players at non premium positions. That it applied to Gray's
abel going to the Seahawks and Donovan Jackson going to
the Vikings. Both those guys are guards. Maybe those guys
wouldn't be first round picks in a normal year, but
this year they are. And I do think that that,
you know, I think that I think I think that
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did exist this year where this was almost like the
screw it draft is the way that I put it.
You can call it the fic draft if you want, Yeah,
but this was a screw it draft where it was like, yeah,
you know, like in a normal year, i'd want this
guy five or tick ten picks later, and maybe you know,
I'd like, I'd love to trade back and get a
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little more capital, but that you know, trades, that trade
partner doesn't exist, So screwed. I'm just gonna take the
guy I like. Screwed, I'm just gonna take the guy
that I feel good about. And I do think like
the character came in for some of these guys, some
of these teams where they're just like, if I can
get a good player that I'm sure on in this
year's draft, yes, and that's then that's a home run.
That's fine, And it's really interesting, Colin. I had a
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coach bring this up to me, and he said that
it's even gotten harder with NIL to suss out character
and practice habits in a certain way, where in some
cases these NIL deals have conditions baked into them that
you wouldn't believe, Like I only have to practice two
days a week, you only play me on third down.
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So it's gotten harder and harder in some cases where
he's like, you look at somebody like, yeah, he's a
good kid, but what about his practice habits?
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Is that part of his nil deal? You got all
these things kind of at work with a lot of
these kids, where when you see a kid who checks
every box from a character standpoint, like a Booker, like
an Abuka, like a zabel Liikah Jackson, all of a
sudden in your mind you're like, you know what, I
don't have to deal with the rest of this with
this kid. Just give me him. So I think that
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certainly exists.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Okay, it's interesting. Ben Johnson goes to Chicago, so the
first thing he does is Joe Tooney, don't home in
the center, Jonah Jackson. Quarterbacks can handle edge rushing. They
don't like people at their feet in their knees. I'm
cleaning up the middle of our own line. I thought
they'd go defense because of Roma Dunze and get another
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pass rusher, and there were a few in this draft
they went back to offense. Kind of is it signaling, Hey,
if Caleb's not the guy, we're gonna figure it out.
Real soon, because this is a fairly stacked rofter.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Well, I would tell you, like if it hadn't, if
things had played out a different way, that could have
been asked to jen z at ten and it could
have been a tackle. Like if Kelvin Banks doesn't go
one pick ahead of them to the Saints, I think
Calvin Banks might be a bear right now.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
They sent a.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Huge contingent out to Austin to take a look at him,
So getting a left tackle in place, like I think
was part of the equation for them as well. So
I think overall you're right like to say, this is
about getting a clear look at Caleb Williams, like making
every excuse out of it now, like you're saying, Okay,
we've got you Aroma Dunze, we've got you DJ Moore,
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we've got you confident running backs and Roseean Johnson and
DeAndre Swift. We've got an offensive line where we've invested
in the middle of it. And now we've got a
tight end who could be a lethal matchup guy in
Colston Lovelin. So at the very least after the next
couple of years, you're gonna have a clear answer on
what Caleb Williams is, and you're gonna pay him accordingly,
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You're gonna build around him accordingly. This is a chance
to get a very clear vision of who Caleb Williams
can be. And it does reflect also the way that
they built in Detroit. I mean, look like, I think
tackle was way up on their priority list with a
tenth overall pick. Obviously didn't work out with the three
guys going between four and nine at that position, but
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that's the way they built in Detroit, right with Piney
sewell as their first draft pick there when those guys
got there to play opposite Taylor Decker. And you know,
this is another element that they had in Detroit. They
had a super reliable tight end in Sam Laporta, who
is a weapon in the passing game. And clearly that's
what Colston Loveland can Loveland can be. And I'll tell
you this, there were teams this is the only one.
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There were a number of teams that like Loveland overworn
because of his route running ability and because he's three
years younger.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yep, yep, I heard the same thing. Okay, so now
Cleveland's got the first pick. Cleveland could use a young
quarterback or Sanders is sitting there, or there's got to
be another team that needs a quarterback. They could trade
down and get more picks. What do you think Cleveland does?
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yeah, Cleveland's in a good spot because if you want
a quarterback, you got to come to them now, right,
And so you know, there's the there's the opportunity to
sit there on Friday. And this has become a thing
though since they changed the format of the draft, where
this really is a power position to be in, where
you've got an opportunity to spend the whole day. And
you know what happens, Colin as everybody goes back into
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the draft room, resets the board and they're like wow,
like that guy's still there, and that guy's still there,
and it sort of gives you, like everyone a fresh
set of eyes on the class and they may decide
they really want somebody. Some team may decide there's someone
at the top of the round. Maybe it's a quarterback,
maybe it's another position that they have to have so
it can enhance the value of the thirty third pick.
One name that I like, one connection that I think
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is really interesting here the Louisville quarterback Tyler Shuck. Like
I had heard Kevin Stefanski took a liking to him.
Now there are questions like what did the doctors say
about him in Cleveland? You know, he's got the claviical
injury and that was an issue for him. He is older,
he spent seven years in college. The guy was a
backup to Justin Herbert at Oregon for two years. That's
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how old he is. That's how long he's been around.
He was in Trevor Lawrence and Justin Field's recruiting class.
But I have heard that that Kevin Stefanski likes Tyler Shucks.
So if it's a quarterback, maybe it's Shador. I think
there's a chance it could be Tyler Schuck to the
Browns at one of those two picks also, And it
just still be interesting to see where Shador goes, Like
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I think, I think Shuck, Shador, and Milroe all go
at some point tonight. I'm just not sure what order
it's in.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Boy, look at Cleveland. The Chicago Bears just sitting there
with the Travian Henderson's going to make somebody happy. Will
Johnson's gonna make somebody happy. Okay, let's talk about this.
J Mac doesn't agree with me. But my take is
when you draft a quarterback in the first round, like
a Kenny Pickett, you know you're reaching because the Steelers
draft apartment's been good for years. You know it's a
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bit of a reach, but you gotta pretend even if
by his sixth start, you're like, uh, Jesus, you got
to pretend for a couple of years he's the guy.
If you draft a quarterback late third, by the first Thanksgiving,
you can, hey, it misses. So my take is the
Steelers that draft well are like, we're going to take
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the guy that's going to start. We don't love the quarterback,
and we don't want to be forced to take a
guy that we have to pretend compete against Joe Burrow
and Lamar Jackson And maybe you should have were Sanders.
So I'm going to defend the Stealers on if you
don't like a guy, even if there's a need, don't
don't draft a quarterback and then pretend he's the guy.
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And everybody in the building's going eye rolling for two years.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
And I think that's a great point, and like it's
one of the reasons why the context of taking a
quarterback tonight is much difference than the context of taking
a quarterback last night. There's one example, which is Arizona
in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, and they had to
go through you know, a coach firing to get there,
and all kinds of different circumstances.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
But.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Almost always like if you take a quarterback in the
first round, that takes you off the quarterback market for
the next two to three years. In other words, it's
really hard if you're a coach or a GM to
go back to your owner and say, you know what, Yeah,
we spent that first rounder last year on this guy,
and we told you for three months how much we
loved him and why we're taking him, But screw it,
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we're going to take another one again. Like it just
doesn't happen. So not only are you not only do
you risk making a mistake if there's a guy that
you view as good not great in the first round,
there's also the opportunity cost that can come the next
two years if you've taken yourself out the running, out
of the running for quarterbacks that could be available. Then
if you take one in the second or third round,
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well that's just a swing, right, and it's very easy
then to come back the next year in the first round,
or on the veteran market and go and get one.
If you look back in history, in twenty ten, the
Panthers took Jimmy Clauson in the middle of the second round.
They took Cam Newton first overall the next year. In
twenty seventeen, the Browns took to Shun Kaiser in the
second round. They turned around took Baker Mayfield the first
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overall pick the year after that. So I'd say, like,
that's the beauty of taking one now is that you're
not married to the guy. You're sort of dating him,
where it's like, okay, like let's see how this works out,
and maybe we hit a home run. But if we don't,
we're not tied to him, and we'll have the opportunity
to go back and look at it again after a year,
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two years, whatever the timeline might be. Whereas if you
take a quarterback in the first round, it's really tough
to come back the next year, even the year after
that look at the position again.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Good stuff. Albert Bear, Monday Morning, Quarterback, can't wait. Really
really interesting stuff going to happen at the top of
tonight's picks. Thanks man, awesome, thanks Gon. Yeah you got
to play a game, first round quarterback? Oh yeah, yeah,
they have to play the game with Kenny Pick and
everybody in the building new By Camp. It's like saying, great,
I mean he came in a little older, he had
a lot of starts, and you're like, yeah, I mean,
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I just there's nothing worse than having to fake it.
Like if you ever had the situation in life where
you got to pretend something is true and it's not true.
It's just an inauthentic way to live. And if you
don't like a guy, then don't draft a guy. Well,
we need a quarterback. Go over pay for Kirk Cousins
for a year. But I mean to have to literally,
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I would rather tough it out in life for a
year than fake it for two.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Right, But that's you toughing it out.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You're not losing your job, you're not getting replaced, you're
not getting fired.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Right, people in Pittsburgh could.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Get fired, you know, hey, people in Jacksonville could get
We don't know what's gonna happen, but I want to
go back to a pic that I haven't heard anybody
talk about. Were you surprised that Loveland went ahead of
Tyler Warren as the first Titan taken because everybody loved Warren.
And I had someone on my podcast who pointed this out.
They were like, Jay, did you look at Tyler Warren's
numbers the first three years at Penn State?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
He did like nothing. He was twenty three years old
and popped.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And oh, by the way, when teams asked him to
do the three cone shuffle and the broad jump it all,
he didn't do any testing. So I don't know if
he's hiding something. I don't know what's going on. But
Loveland leaped past him. Loveland is a more unique prospect.
He's not gonna block, but he'll go vertical. He'll beat
you down the field.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Warren is more traditional tight end, better blocker. You gotta
kind of scheme him open. Loveland you can go go
out wide. He'll beat a corner. So he's like he's
a little bit of a rock Bowers and you're getting
there's very few of these players. We thought Kyle Pitts
would be this as well, and he hasn't, has not
even come no no, but Bowers did. So Loveland is
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the new tight end that didn't exist ten years ago,
which is split out wide, be a third receiver.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
A kid on Buffalo. They got the second tight end.
I'm spacing on his name right now. Kim Kaid, Yes,
Dulton Kincaid is kind of in that.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Kin catill block all Utah players block in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Kin Kaid is the new model, like he's the new
George kittle Iss. You can line him up. He's a
mismatch for a safety or a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He's really good.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So it is exciting.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
How about the Jets. No excitement there?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Well, they have a left tackle. Now they have a
right tackle. Again, I'm not You're never gonna hear me
criticized teams for drafting offensive lineman in the first round.
Agreed the only position in the history of football where
almost all the great players come from one round is
left tackle. Most I mean, Tristan Wurf's was right to left. Why.
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There's just not many people that are six six three
point thirty with good feet. There's a lot of dudes
that can run, and there's a lot of guys that
can run and tackle. There's not a lot of that.
I will never criticize any time you go o line.
So if that kid ends up being left or right tackles.
The Jets have both their tackles for the next five years.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And AVT on the inside. They got the center from Minnesota.
I believe like they're in good shape.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Got me a quarterback, Yeah, Jets. Cowboys, you may drive
me nuts. I will defend you to the ends of
the earth. On drafting first round line.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I think they were like nine or ten offensive linemen
taken in the first round all way.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
When we the last time the Cowboys were great when
they used to spend all their picks in the first
round on Tyron Smith and Zach Martin that it wasn't
about their receiver. I got ceedee Lamb. Now they got
mic and out when they went full on first round
o lineman. Everybody ripped them for it. They had about
an eight year run where they just mauling PM. That's
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why they can't beat Philadelphia. Now, it's not the receiver
issuees they can't block Philadelphia's.
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Speaker 1 (23:14):
You know, there's been this criticism, and I think it's
very fair of the media that they have agendas. And
I'm not talking politics all the time. I sometimes see
it in the sports media where they always root for
the most heart tugging story. Just be honest, just tell
the truth. The public's not a bunch of idiots. And
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the college football media does this every year. Smu is,
every bit is good. You've got to put them in
in Boise State and it's all these heart tugging stories.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Stop. Stop.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Fans aren't stupid. They watch the games every year annually.
There's this constant Indiana Hoosiers have to be in the playoffs. Yeah,
they embarrass themselves. A game against Notre Dame was embarrassing.
Entire game plan was trying not to lose by much.
So twenty six of the thirty two players got drafted
last night from the big ten in the SEC. Kirby Smart,
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Nick Saban, and Ryan Day have more first round picks
in their careers than losses. College football's always been like tennis.
It's really top heavy. Stop trying to convince yourself that
you know, Nadal Serena Federer aren't way better than everybody else.
So let me read to you the order of the
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schools that draft that got guys chosen starting with the
ninth pick through the thirty second Texas, Michigan, Georgia, Bama Michigan,
Penn State, Georgia, Ole, Miss, Texas, and m North Dakota State.
That player was offered to go to power schools nil,
but he stayed there for various reasons. Ohio State, Texas, Oregon, Carolina, Texas,
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Ohio State, Ole, Miss, Tennessee, Georgia, Ohio State, Oregon, Kentucky, Bam,
Ohio State. Okay, Kentucky's a basketball school. Give me a break. Stop.
I mean, look, we had a weird year where Travis
Hunter was the best player and went to Colorado with Dion.
But this annual tradition of trying to convince the fans
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in a now fourteen team playoff, come on. That team
went eleven and one look at their schedule. Who did
they play. That's why I've said, if you have a
fourteen team playoff and nine to ten teams came from
the SEC in the Big Ten, I'm good. I watched SMU,
I watched Indiana. The SEC and the Big Ten have
the best players entering the program. And as you watched
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last night, in the first round, the best players exiting
the programs. So it's like, be honest with the audience.
Urban Meyer last hour on the Big Ten over the
last several year, catching up to the SEC in first
round talent.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
I first got hired Ohio State and even Shelley, and
then everyone said, by you know, we were used to walking
first round draft picks in the SEC, and you were
not doing that in the Big Ten. It was a
slow league. And that's no disrespect. It's a fact. The
investment in Big ten football changed in the early part
of twenty twelve, thirteen, fourteen. And what I mean by
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that recruiting. They got out of their footprint. They went nationally.
The stadiums got better, the crowds got better, everything got better.
And as a result, you can see it on Draft Day.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, I mean I said it this year, Jay mc
and I said that this year. The last two years
of college football, if you have watched Big ten football
and SEC football, there's no gap. Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon,
they looked like LSU and Alabama. There's no gap. There
was a fifteen year run where the SEC looked different.
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The linebackers were faster than Big ten running backs those days.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Are over.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
The news.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
This is the head line news.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
All right, let's start with the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
We haven't talked much about Ashton Genty going to Vegas.
Big get for Pete Carroll in company GM John Spiitech
called Ashton gend a foundational piece, and Pete Carroll spoke
to what he expects from gent in Vegas.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
There's a lot of things to talk about. But one
of the things he was hard to tackle. I mean,
you guys couldn't get it on the ground. And you know,
we compared. I compared him with a lot of players
in the past that skill to make people miss and
to bounce off tackles and to use the force of
the tacklers.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
And he had marvelous talent in that regard.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
And if that he he reminded me. And I'm not
going to share him with because I don't want to compare,
but with a number of players that we've watched over
the years, and you know, going back quite a ways,
I think it is that unique.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I really like this pick. I like it for a
million reasons. On Chip Kelly makes it Work two. Pete's
success has been with dominant run games three Geno Smith
is a different quarterback with a substantial run game. You
mentioned this before the injury, when he had Walker healthy
a couple of years ago. He was a pro bowler, right.
(28:17):
And Also, if you're gonna win in this division now
against Reid and Harbaugh and Bonnicks, some of it's got
to be ball controlled. You're not gonna get into a
firework show with Peyton Harbaugh, Andy Reid. I like this
pick again. I don't know what's love the Browns. I
love what they did. I don't know what's loved the Raiders.
I love what they did. I like it a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, they couldn't go wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Interesting again, I don't hear people saying this, but like
chip Kelly came from where he was just at Ohio
statement right right, they had two awesome running backs.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I like DENTI.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Ali, do you think if Chip Kelly saw something from
Henderson or Jenkins, he's gonna be like, listen, guys.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
We could just pass on denty and get one of
those two guys. Second, here we have gotten something better
than GENTIVI. I don't know that there was anything better.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Than in this.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Okay, So here's what I heard yesterday from a GM
in the NFL. He said, there are four stars in
this draft. The Raiders got one without giving anything up.
Jacksonville got one but gave up a ton, and so
there were four guys in this league that have that can.
I mean like Abdull Carter, Travis Hunter, genty they're different,
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and a lot of people think cam Ward is different.
After that, it's a lot of players like Mason Graham,
rock solid V plus prospect, would probably get drafted fourteenth
to fifteenth in most drafts. Now he gets drafted five
because it's a weaker draft. So you didn't have a Bosa,
you didn't have a Khalil Mack where it's like well
(29:50):
Aiden Hutchison. It was a three to four star draft
and the Raiders got one without moving up. Now I think,
I think Hampton and Henderson are great, but they would
be overdrafted at that point, and running back was clearly
in need.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You could say that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I mean also somebody would have to move up. So
their take was we need a running back more than anything.
I mean, that's what they really need. And their take is, okay,
let's not take him here.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Pete Carroll wants to win now, so I get it.
You know you got gent at running back Myers and
Trey Tucker. Outside, they probably got a upgrade.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Owers is a Owers is a superstar.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
We'll see on Geno Smith. I don't listen. This is
the toughest division in football.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Let me say round two is a great wide receiver.
Round Round two and three are great tight end round.
Raiders don't need that.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Well, they need a receiver.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
No, no, so watch today. There's gonna be some really
good players. It's a very good wide receiver. It was
not a good first round wide receiver draft, very strong,
second and third round.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Toughest division in football. Bet oh, better than the NFC North.
I know the North is great, but.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Hey, Raiders, upgrade co upgrade coordinator, upgrade quarterback, upgrade run game.
Yeah that is if I'm telling you so.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
At thirty seven, I would circle Luther Burden, the kid
out of Missouri, very very talented slot guy, because rounds
may take him at thirty three. I don't know that
that pick for Raiders has to be. I feel like
either a wide receiver or go defense because in that
in that division where you're facing Mahomes and Herbert, it's like, hey,
we need we need to fortify the defense. But Raiders
arrow is pointing up. I mean, what six, seven, maybe
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eight weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I feel better about the Raiders now than I have
in ten years. Chipping, I don't think care how.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
To take that's no.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I think Pete reasonable. You are smart guys. And again
I don't love Geno, but he is like Darnold circumstantially.
When you provide him with some protection and a run game,
you can Geno man a Pro Bowl two years ago.
He's more than capable.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Let's go to the green Bay Packers.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Colin interesting pick here intro so they probably have one
of the deepest white receiver.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Groups in the league.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
While watching got hurt, Watson keeps getting hurt. And they
drafted Matthew Golden.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Out of Texas.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I like Golden a lot. I thought he was going
to Dallas. A lot of love for the Texas wide
receiver super fast. I think he ran a sub four
four forty. It was the first time since two thousand
and two Green Bay took a wide receiver in the
first round.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Somewhere Aaron d cursing under it.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Take offensive lineman a receiver's use.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, So let's look at the Packers wide receiver room. Okay,
Jaden Reed is a stud. He's almost like a Golden
Romeo Dobbs. Possession guy. Christian Watson is very good, but
he hurt a lot, hurt a lot. And also they
have the other kid, Wicks, who's there's something there. He's
wildly inconsistent.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, he has big body receiver.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
They might have the best wide receiver room in the league.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Here's my thing in Green Bay. I trust I trust them.
I think last twenty years they draft as well as anybody.
I'm gonna take their word for a receiver. With an
offensive coach and a capable quarterback, I trust the pack There.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Was some thought that they would go Will Johnson because
JIU Alexander is on his way out.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Holden's a more dynamic athlete.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Hold is really good.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, he wouldn't even the guy the Combine that tore
it up.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Oh, he was a burn and he's excellent in Texas.
There's a lot to like about this Packer's team. I
don't have a Chicago's loaded up on offense. Minnesota's got
offensive players. This is an offensive division.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, that's what it is. You've got to score point.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Would it surprise you like if the Packers finished fourth.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
In the division.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
So they're not finishing fourth again.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
It's a really tough to thing.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's a great well give me the division right now,
the order for again, A long way to go, but
still I.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Don't want to it's gonna be really you afraid Detroit's
got the best personnel, but I think I think Chicago's
gonna be. So you have.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Minnesota last the guys, Okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Interesting finally quarterback you yeah, JJ Burdy NBA Colin. This
was not seen by many last night because the Nuggets got.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
That's where what where was it on television?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Who knows? Nuggets got embarrassed and Jokic was not happy.
I'm sure Denver fans will be very upset that this
videos airing. But on the bench in the fourth quarter,
Jokic was lighting into his team, and afterward he revealed
a message to locker room.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
I didn't say nothing. I mean I think everybody needs
to step up. You know, they were they were better
than us today in every aspect of a being, like
so we need to be a be as more as
a grouping to play together and play more and more
more like fight fight at basketball. Not he can un
back down the need to attack.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Shots fired at his team, so they fired their coach.
Michael Porter Junior now has a shoulder thing. Westbrook left
early with foot inflammation. And you've got a guy who's
finished top two in m VP the last five seasons on.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
The bench, unhappy.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would
ask out, but he cannot be throwed to win a
title and now possibly losing the first round of the
paper clip Clippers look are looking good man, They're gonna
be dangerous for OKC.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Who do you have in this series?
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I did not have a pick on this night.
Speaker 9 (35:07):
Who'd you have?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Clippers?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Canny Clippers, neat the thunder.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I'm winning all my series now the Knicks Pistons has
been tighter than I thought.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Who do you have in Lakers? Wolves?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Lakers in five, don't win it in six?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Let's see you like O eight to knowing the first
day not bad.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
We've been really good by the way. We told everybody
last night take the Clippers, and we told everybody to
take the next We went to and oh again last night.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, we'll do tonight's games later.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Well that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line news m.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I'm a little bit of a heater. I'm that old
sweet sixteen there JM. Mister march over here. Uh didn't
you love? I gotta tell you something. I got a
crush on Jim Harbaugh. He officially has his team, his pick.
We'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 3 (36:13):
Love and you know we had it all.
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Speaker 1 (36:30):
Harbor's a great coach. He's won everywhere. He wins immediately,
and half of you are absolutely trying to convince those
of us who get it that he can't coach. So
he goes to the Chargers. They have the thirty second
ranked defense. He makes it number one with most of
the same players. Yeah, he can coach, makes them a
playoff team. So last year he gets Joe Alt So
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it takes usually in year two that's when Harbaugh's teams pop.
So he takes Joe Alt and now they got their
two tackles. And in this offseason he gets Nausee Harris,
power running back, maybe more of a one A than
a one. And then yesterday he gets Hampton, Amaron Hampton
from UNC, power back Joe Mixon with speed. So now
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he's got two starbacks, two star tackles, his star quarterback,
a great slot receiver at lad McConkey. Now they've got
to go get a perimeter wide receiver and a tight end.
Everything's set up for him though, But I oh, it's
remarkable to me that some of you are still clinging
to Yeah, he's overrated. You notice how Michigan has been
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thumping Ohio State for years. You do get those are
Jim's players, and nobody else seems to be beating Ohio State.
Michigan is annually. So here he is on picking up.
I mean, at the twenty second pick, you got that kid,
here's Jim you.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
Had to have. You know, those those two really great,
great players running the football and protecting it in the
backfield and being able to catch passes out of the backfield.
I mean, I think they're they're both they're both outstanding.
We're really fired up to have have made our team
better tonight and then back to work tomorrow to keep
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keep making the team better.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Stanford forty nine Ers, Michigan LA Chargers wins really quickly
and makes his teams very physical. Same Kakis, same whole
milk with his steak, not into trends, what's hot now.
The Hardballs do it the same way. Draft develop toughness.
I'd say this all the time USC was rolling in
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the Pac twelve. Stanford was awful, worst team in the country, arguably.
Jim takes over. By the end of his second year,
I thought they were the most physical team in the conference.
They weren't the best, they were the most physical by
year three. Get out of the way, and this is
what he did with the nine. It's what he did
with Michigan. Michigan was a mess when he took him over,
and it took him years and years and years to
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build up enough talent to beat like Bama and Georgia.
But football at its core is about big, tough, intimidating
physical men. It's not cute, it's not finesse. This is
so on brand for Harball. Joe Alt Nauseie Harris, Amarion Hampton.
It's so on brand. And remember because he was a
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college coach, he's recruited all these kids. So last year
they had a great draft. This year they're gonna have
a great draft. Now by the by next year, it'll
get to Pete Carroll did this when he came from
sc to Seattle. His first two drafts were insane. He
just knew college personnel. But that your third and fourth draft,
it's not you know, you're losing some connectivity, but it's
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just I watched what they're doing here and an amazing
When people are really good at something, they make it
look easy. And every time I watch Harball, you know,
you sit there and watch Harbaugh, and my takeaway as
OHA's you know, why can't anybody else Why didn't anybody
else get Joe Alt and Hampton at the twenty second pick?
Like they just they just make it look easy. The
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good GMS. I mean, I'll give the Colts Chris Ballard
credit and he didn't have the right quarterback and their
owner is impulsive, but I mean, you go look at
what the Colts got last year. In this year, they're
just patient. They just wait and they get Warren to
drop to them a position of need and they go
get an excellent tight end, like no, no, no. The
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really good gams in this league make it kind of
the good Culture's Baltimore patient, Oh best safety Georgia guy.
Isn't it amazing how the same teams crush every year
in this draft? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Interesting. Baltimore is doing something nobody else in the league
is doing.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
We're going to make our two best players on defense
safeties Hamilton and Starks.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
That's strange, but I kind of sort of like it.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Safeties are making a comeback.
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, Albert two.
Albert Breer is gonna join us. There were a couple
of teams looking to move off. We're gonna ask Albert
about that. And the top of the second round, there
are some big time players. Will Johnson cornerback Michigan. Some
injury stuff fell out, somebody's getting a real good corner.
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Somebody's getting a real good corners. Tradyon Henderson running back
Ohio State has a really good player. I'll make this argument,
Shador Sandriy, that's a pretty good second round quarterback. Now,
Historically people take quarterbacks in the first round because they
view miss starters, or they take him in the third
round they view him as back dup. Teams don't draft
a lot of quarterbacks. Drew Brees, Andy Dalton work, Derek
(01:07):
Carr was, but they're most of your quarterbacks, you're great ones.
They most come in the first If a team drafts
you first, they view you as a starter, even late first.
There's a small number of quarterbacks in the last fifteen
years drafted in the second round that becomes starters. Everybody
passed on Shador. I think it's a mistake, but I'm
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not a professional scout.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, professional scouts get it wrong a lot too. But Colin,
you know who can't take Shador in the second round?
Cannot Pittsburgh Steeler. Yeah, they don't have a second round pick.
So and we talked about this during the breakout. Was
just talking with Zach about it. If Aaron Rodgers gives Pittsburgh,
I think I'm just going to retire.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
They're screwed.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Mason Rudolph and Skyler Thompson are your quarterbacks at Pittsburgh, right,
So that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So what do you do as a team. I can't
beat up on Pittsburgh because of this. They have a
very good scouting department. And the last time they didn't
trust their instincts and reached it was Kenny Pickett and
he was a top of the third round prospect. Shadoor
Sanders is not a first round prospect to NFL general managers,
So do you just take him? Now? They don't have
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a pick until late third. So Aaron Rodgers has now
owned four teams only quarterback ever, the Packers, the Jets,
the Steelers, and the Bears. I mean, so it's a
very weird situation. But their scouting department historically they went
defensive lineman, which is so Pittsburgh it hurts. But if
your scouting department and their's is excellent, they have an
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excellent roster. I don't necessarily love their defense first culture
they spend too much money on defense, not enough on offense.
But if their scouting department doesn't like him and nobody
else's did nobody else drafted Shador And I don't think
anybody but the Giants would have moved up for Jackson Dart. So, well,
who's your quarterback going to be? Well, it's a very
(02:53):
very interesting next year draft, and Mason Rudolph, you're probably
a six s win team. That's probably what you are.
Here's Mike Tomlan on going with a defensive lineman.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
There's no substitute for young talent. You don't have a
chance to fill the quality defense unless you stout inside
and up front. And this is a young guy man
that has an opportunity to learn from the likes of
Cam Heyward and put his hand in that pile and
be a significant contributor for us for years to come.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Again, hard for me to criticize an organization that drafts well.
The Steelers draft well. The Packers draft well. So Harmon's
a defensive lineman from Oregon. Oregon puts a lot of
dudes in the NFL. Mike Tomlin knows defense. If you
all love the quarterbacks, they did reach before and it
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cost him. It was a wasted draft pick. They wasted
a year and a half of their life pretending Kenny
Pickle was the guy. So I can respect somebody just saying, listen,
we need a quarterback. But what we don't want to
do if you do draft a quarterback there and he's
not the guy, then you have to fake it for
two years. So what if Pittsburgh just saying we'll go
get Jalen Milroll late third round if he's available, We'll
try that. But at third round, you can give him
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one year and if it doesn't work, you're on the problem.
Drafting a quarterback in the first round, you gotta kind
of fake it. Oh, we're all in on this guy,
even if half you know in the building by Thanksgiving
of his rookie year he can't play. I mean, then
all of a sudden you get into a Daniel Jones
situation where you're like, yeah, I can't, No, he can't,
and then you start validating your draft pick and you
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sign him to an extension. So if you don't like him,
don't draft him. I'd rather Pittsburgh stink next year and
get a better draft pick. I mean, Pittsburgh doesn't draft
in the top ten very often. They're gonna need to
next year. So that's sort of how I view it. Okay,
Albert Breer is joining US Money Morning quoteraback, all right.
(04:47):
I was told by people I trust that a couple
of offensive coaches did like Colston Lovelin a lot, but
the Bears took him at ten. Was there anything else
that you had heard about teams trying to move up
but they just the price tag was too much.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
I don't think they're very many teams trying to move
up at all. Like I honestly think you had so
many teams that were looking to go down that I
think the teams that were looking to go up were
kind of sharks about it, you know, and figuring this
is a buyer's market, there are way more sellers and
we can go find ourselves a deal. And so you know,
(05:25):
I know, for New England at four, for Cleveland at five,
the phone didn't even ring because of the stuff that
had happened during the week, where during the week it
was just the logistics of the class got in the
way of trades happening. And look, I think a huge
part of that too, Colin. I mean, teams just didn't
see there being a big difference between four and fifteen
(05:46):
or five and twenty. Yeah, And I think even that
even was reflected later in the round. Like the reason
the Falcons trade up into the bottom of the first
round to twenty six to get James Pearce is that's
the guy that they would have taken at fifteen if
Jalen Walker hadn't slipped to fifteen. So there was a
lot of volatility to the class, a lot of unpredictability
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to the class, and I don't know that there was
a ton of reason for people to move up and
go and get a singular player again. And amongst a
group where there just weren't a lot of Blue Chippers
those first round returns for some of those players, for
some of those picks, those just weren't there.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So if you go look at what the Giants did,
which is they moved up in a group of teams
that don't need quarterbacks, and they had the number two
pick today, so they must have felt somebody else was
going to move up for Jackson Dart, but Shadure was
still on the board. So the truth is, if a
team wanted a quarterback, they may have gone Shadure. So
(06:47):
my takeaway is you're not a good team. You're in
a division with surging Washington and loaded Philadelphia. I would
not be giving up lots and lots of second and
third round draft picks. It's not an attack on Jackson Dart,
but in that late first round, those were teams with quarterbacks,
and you had top of the second round, and both
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Shador and Jacksonville were probably gonna be there. I didn't
love that move.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah, so I guess the Giants concern would be would
be too full. Number one, they were behind the Browns
who needed a quarterback, and then you start to ask
around and there were a lot of teams there at
the bottom of the at the bottom of the first
round that we're looking to get out. I think my
count at the end was like eight of the teams
from twenty to thirty two were actively trying to move
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the picks and actively trying and take advantage of the
fact that there might be a couple of teams at
the top of the second round that were that were
that were that were looking to move up for quarterbacks.
And so I think as much as anything else, you
look at it, if you're the Giants, you say, Okay,
it's hard for us to justify if our jobs are
on the line. If you're Joe Shannon, Brian dave Ball,
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taking someone with a third overall pick was not going
to help me today, right like, And if you draft
a quarterback and he goes into a room with Russell
Wilson and Jameis Winston, he might not help you today,
Abdulla Carter will help them in twenty twenty five. So
we're not going to spend the third overall pick on
a quarterback. We don't value them there. We know the
league doesn't value them there outside of cam Ward. And
(08:18):
then you look at it and say Okay, if we
go back into the first round, now we're as short
of getting our guy, we get the fifth year option
on him, which is valuable. Is there a spot there
where a team is going to be willing enough to
give us a decent price to go down where we
don't have to give up next year's first round pick
to go into the bottom of the first round. And
so there were again a lot of teams trying to
sell off picks, trying to take advantage of those teams
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at the top of the second round that didn't have
quarterbacks that could look to come into the bottom of
the first and get one. And I mean, if you
want to just look at it on balance, the team
they jumped in front of was the Rams, and I
think the idea there there were some whispers the Rams
lights Jackson Dart. I don't think there's a world where
they would have taken and Dart. But maybe for the Giants,
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just a certainty of knowing you got your guy was
worth going up that high to get him again, with
all the other conditions that I laid out in mind.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
By the way, the Ohio State Amecca Buca went up higher.
Great character. Tyler Booker Alabama team captain, great character. I
kind of thought that the NFL, this NFL, this nil
thing with a Tennessee quarterback going to UCLA taking a picket,
nobody wanted him and should do her. It's not the
end of the world, but you know, the the New
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York Giant cleats legendary in his draft room. You know,
a little humility could have done him well. I don't know,
it's not the end of the world, but I felt
like I felt like with that Tennessee quarterback that went
to UCLA, college football sent a message and by Booker
moving up and a Mecca moving up a plus character guys,
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it was a little bit of messaging that, you know what,
it's not a great draft character. Maybe the difference here,
that was my interption.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I'll give you, I'll give you two more, two more
players at non premium positions. That it applied to Gray's
abel going to the Seahawks and Donovan Jackson going to
the Vikings. Both those guys are guards. Maybe those guys
wouldn't be first round picks in a normal year, but
this year they are. And I do think that that,
you know, I think that I think I think that
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did exist this year where this was almost like the
screw it draft is the way that I put it.
You can call it the fic draft if you want, Yeah,
but this was a screw it draft where it was like, yeah,
you know, like in a normal year, i'd want this
guy five or tick ten picks later, and maybe you know,
I'd like, I'd love to trade back and get a
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little more capital, but that you know, trades, that trade
partner doesn't exist, So screwed. I'm just gonna take the
guy I like. Screwed, I'm just gonna take the guy
that I feel good about. And I do think like
the character came in for some of these guys, some
of these teams where they're just like, if I can
get a good player that I'm sure on in this
year's draft, yes, and that's then that's a home run.
That's fine, And it's really interesting, Colin. I had a
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coach bring this up to me, and he said that
it's even gotten harder with NIL to suss out character
and practice habits in a certain way, where in some
cases these NIL deals have conditions baked into them that
you wouldn't believe, Like I only have to practice two
days a week, you only play me on third down.
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So it's gotten harder and harder in some cases where
he's like, you look at somebody like, yeah, he's a
good kid, but what about his practice habits?
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Is that part of his nil deal? You got all
these things kind of at work with a lot of
these kids, where when you see a kid who checks
every box from a character standpoint, like a Booker, like
an Abuka, like a zabel Liikah Jackson, all of a
sudden in your mind you're like, you know what, I
don't have to deal with the rest of this with
this kid. Just give me him. So I think that
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certainly exists.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Okay, it's interesting. Ben Johnson goes to Chicago, so the
first thing he does is Joe Tooney, don't home in
the center, Jonah Jackson. Quarterbacks can handle edge rushing. They
don't like people at their feet in their knees. I'm
cleaning up the middle of our own line. I thought
they'd go defense because of Roma Dunze and get another
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pass rusher, and there were a few in this draft
they went back to offense. Kind of is it signaling, Hey,
if Caleb's not the guy, we're gonna figure it out.
Real soon, because this is a fairly stacked rofter.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Well, I would tell you, like if it hadn't, if
things had played out a different way, that could have
been asked to jen z at ten and it could
have been a tackle. Like if Kelvin Banks doesn't go
one pick ahead of them to the Saints, I think
Calvin Banks might be a bear right now.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
They sent a.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Huge contingent out to Austin to take a look at him,
So getting a left tackle in place, like I think
was part of the equation for them as well. So
I think overall you're right like to say, this is
about getting a clear look at Caleb Williams, like making
every excuse out of it now, like you're saying, Okay,
we've got you Aroma Dunze, we've got you DJ Moore,
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we've got you confident running backs and Roseean Johnson and
DeAndre Swift. We've got an offensive line where we've invested
in the middle of it. And now we've got a
tight end who could be a lethal matchup guy in
Colston Lovelin. So at the very least after the next
couple of years, you're gonna have a clear answer on
what Caleb Williams is, and you're gonna pay him accordingly,
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You're gonna build around him accordingly. This is a chance
to get a very clear vision of who Caleb Williams
can be. And it does reflect also the way that
they built in Detroit. I mean, look like, I think
tackle was way up on their priority list with a
tenth overall pick. Obviously didn't work out with the three
guys going between four and nine at that position, but
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that's the way they built in Detroit, right with Piney
sewell as their first draft pick there when those guys
got there to play opposite Taylor Decker. And you know,
this is another element that they had in Detroit. They
had a super reliable tight end in Sam Laporta, who
is a weapon in the passing game. And clearly that's
what Colston Loveland can Loveland can be. And I'll tell
you this, there were teams this is the only one.
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There were a number of teams that like Loveland overworn
because of his route running ability and because he's three
years younger.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yep, yep, I heard the same thing. Okay, so now
Cleveland's got the first pick. Cleveland could use a young
quarterback or Sanders is sitting there, or there's got to
be another team that needs a quarterback. They could trade
down and get more picks. What do you think Cleveland does?
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yeah, Cleveland's in a good spot because if you want
a quarterback, you got to come to them now, right,
And so you know, there's the there's the opportunity to
sit there on Friday. And this has become a thing
though since they changed the format of the draft, where
this really is a power position to be in, where
you've got an opportunity to spend the whole day. And
you know what happens, Colin as everybody goes back into
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the draft room, resets the board and they're like wow,
like that guy's still there, and that guy's still there,
and it sort of gives you, like everyone a fresh
set of eyes on the class and they may decide
they really want somebody. Some team may decide there's someone
at the top of the round. Maybe it's a quarterback,
maybe it's another position that they have to have so
it can enhance the value of the thirty third pick.
One name that I like, one connection that I think
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is really interesting here the Louisville quarterback Tyler Shuck. Like
I had heard Kevin Stefanski took a liking to him.
Now there are questions like what did the doctors say
about him in Cleveland? You know, he's got the claviical
injury and that was an issue for him. He is older,
he spent seven years in college. The guy was a
backup to Justin Herbert at Oregon for two years. That's
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how old he is. That's how long he's been around.
He was in Trevor Lawrence and Justin Field's recruiting class.
But I have heard that that Kevin Stefanski likes Tyler Shucks.
So if it's a quarterback, maybe it's Shador. I think
there's a chance it could be Tyler Schuck to the
Browns at one of those two picks also, And it
just still be interesting to see where Shador goes, Like
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I think, I think Shuck, Shador, and Milroe all go
at some point tonight. I'm just not sure what order
it's in.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Boy, look at Cleveland. The Chicago Bears just sitting there
with the Travian Henderson's going to make somebody happy. Will
Johnson's gonna make somebody happy. Okay, let's talk about this.
J Mac doesn't agree with me. But my take is
when you draft a quarterback in the first round, like
a Kenny Pickett, you know you're reaching because the Steelers
draft apartment's been good for years. You know it's a
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bit of a reach, but you gotta pretend even if
by his sixth start, you're like, uh, Jesus, you got
to pretend for a couple of years he's the guy.
If you draft a quarterback late third, by the first Thanksgiving,
you can, hey, it misses. So my take is the
Steelers that draft well are like, we're going to take
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the guy that's going to start. We don't love the quarterback,
and we don't want to be forced to take a
guy that we have to pretend compete against Joe Burrow
and Lamar Jackson And maybe you should have were Sanders.
So I'm going to defend the Stealers on if you
don't like a guy, even if there's a need, don't
don't draft a quarterback and then pretend he's the guy.
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And everybody in the building's going eye rolling for two years.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
And I think that's a great point, and like it's
one of the reasons why the context of taking a
quarterback tonight is much difference than the context of taking
a quarterback last night. There's one example, which is Arizona
in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, and they had to
go through you know, a coach firing to get there,
and all kinds of different circumstances.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
But.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Almost always like if you take a quarterback in the
first round, that takes you off the quarterback market for
the next two to three years. In other words, it's
really hard if you're a coach or a GM to
go back to your owner and say, you know what, Yeah,
we spent that first rounder last year on this guy,
and we told you for three months how much we
loved him and why we're taking him, But screw it,
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we're going to take another one again. Like it just
doesn't happen. So not only are you not only do
you risk making a mistake if there's a guy that
you view as good not great in the first round,
there's also the opportunity cost that can come the next
two years if you've taken yourself out the running, out
of the running for quarterbacks that could be available. Then
if you take one in the second or third round,
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well that's just a swing, right, and it's very easy
then to come back the next year in the first round,
or on the veteran market and go and get one.
If you look back in history, in twenty ten, the
Panthers took Jimmy Clauson in the middle of the second round.
They took Cam Newton first overall the next year. In
twenty seventeen, the Browns took to Shun Kaiser in the
second round. They turned around took Baker Mayfield the first
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overall pick the year after that. So I'd say, like,
that's the beauty of taking one now is that you're
not married to the guy. You're sort of dating him,
where it's like, okay, like let's see how this works out,
and maybe we hit a home run. But if we don't,
we're not tied to him, and we'll have the opportunity
to go back and look at it again after a year,
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two years, whatever the timeline might be. Whereas if you
take a quarterback in the first round, it's really tough
to come back the next year, even the year after
that look at the position again.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Good stuff. Albert Bear, Monday Morning, Quarterback, can't wait. Really
really interesting stuff going to happen at the top of
tonight's picks. Thanks man, awesome, thanks Gon. Yeah you got
to play a game, first round quarterback? Oh yeah, yeah,
they have to play the game with Kenny Pick and
everybody in the building new By Camp. It's like saying, great,
I mean he came in a little older, he had
a lot of starts, and you're like, yeah, I mean,
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I just there's nothing worse than having to fake it.
Like if you ever had the situation in life where
you got to pretend something is true and it's not true.
It's just an inauthentic way to live. And if you
don't like a guy, then don't draft a guy. Well,
we need a quarterback. Go over pay for Kirk Cousins
for a year. But I mean to have to literally,
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I would rather tough it out in life for a
year than fake it for two.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Right, But that's you toughing it out.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You're not losing your job, you're not getting replaced, you're
not getting fired.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Right, people in Pittsburgh could.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Get fired, you know, hey, people in Jacksonville could get
We don't know what's gonna happen, but I want to
go back to a pic that I haven't heard anybody
talk about. Were you surprised that Loveland went ahead of
Tyler Warren as the first Titan taken because everybody loved Warren.
And I had someone on my podcast who pointed this out.
They were like, Jay, did you look at Tyler Warren's
numbers the first three years at Penn State?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
He did like nothing. He was twenty three years old
and popped.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And oh, by the way, when teams asked him to
do the three cone shuffle and the broad jump it all,
he didn't do any testing. So I don't know if
he's hiding something. I don't know what's going on. But
Loveland leaped past him. Loveland is a more unique prospect.
He's not gonna block, but he'll go vertical. He'll beat
you down the field.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Warren is more traditional tight end, better blocker. You gotta
kind of scheme him open. Loveland you can go go
out wide. He'll beat a corner. So he's like he's
a little bit of a rock Bowers and you're getting
there's very few of these players. We thought Kyle Pitts
would be this as well, and he hasn't, has not
even come no no, but Bowers did. So Loveland is
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the new tight end that didn't exist ten years ago,
which is split out wide, be a third receiver.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
A kid on Buffalo. They got the second tight end.
I'm spacing on his name right now. Kim Kaid, Yes,
Dulton Kincaid is kind of in that.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Kin catill block all Utah players block in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Kin Kaid is the new model, like he's the new
George kittle Iss. You can line him up. He's a
mismatch for a safety or a linebacker.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He's really good.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So it is exciting.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
How about the Jets. No excitement there?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Well, they have a left tackle. Now they have a
right tackle. Again, I'm not You're never gonna hear me
criticized teams for drafting offensive lineman in the first round.
Agreed the only position in the history of football where
almost all the great players come from one round is
left tackle. Most I mean, Tristan Wurf's was right to left. Why.
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There's just not many people that are six six three
point thirty with good feet. There's a lot of dudes
that can run, and there's a lot of guys that
can run and tackle. There's not a lot of that.
I will never criticize any time you go o line.
So if that kid ends up being left or right tackles.
The Jets have both their tackles for the next five years.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And AVT on the inside. They got the center from Minnesota.
I believe like they're in good shape.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Got me a quarterback, Yeah, Jets. Cowboys, you may drive
me nuts. I will defend you to the ends of
the earth. On drafting first round line.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I think they were like nine or ten offensive linemen
taken in the first round all way.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
When we the last time the Cowboys were great when
they used to spend all their picks in the first
round on Tyron Smith and Zach Martin that it wasn't
about their receiver. I got ceedee Lamb. Now they got
mic and out when they went full on first round
o lineman. Everybody ripped them for it. They had about
an eight year run where they just mauling PM. That's
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why they can't beat Philadelphia. Now, it's not the receiver
issuees they can't block Philadelphia's.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
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Speaker 1 (23:14):
You know, there's been this criticism, and I think it's
very fair of the media that they have agendas. And
I'm not talking politics all the time. I sometimes see
it in the sports media where they always root for
the most heart tugging story. Just be honest, just tell
the truth. The public's not a bunch of idiots. And
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the college football media does this every year. Smu is,
every bit is good. You've got to put them in
in Boise State and it's all these heart tugging stories.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Stop. Stop.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Fans aren't stupid. They watch the games every year annually.
There's this constant Indiana Hoosiers have to be in the playoffs. Yeah,
they embarrass themselves. A game against Notre Dame was embarrassing.
Entire game plan was trying not to lose by much.
So twenty six of the thirty two players got drafted
last night from the big ten in the SEC. Kirby Smart,
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Nick Saban, and Ryan Day have more first round picks
in their careers than losses. College football's always been like tennis.
It's really top heavy. Stop trying to convince yourself that
you know, Nadal Serena Federer aren't way better than everybody else.
So let me read to you the order of the
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schools that draft that got guys chosen starting with the
ninth pick through the thirty second Texas, Michigan, Georgia, Bama Michigan,
Penn State, Georgia, Ole, Miss, Texas, and m North Dakota State.
That player was offered to go to power schools nil,
but he stayed there for various reasons. Ohio State, Texas, Oregon, Carolina, Texas,
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Ohio State, Ole, Miss, Tennessee, Georgia, Ohio State, Oregon, Kentucky, Bam,
Ohio State. Okay, Kentucky's a basketball school. Give me a break. Stop.
I mean, look, we had a weird year where Travis
Hunter was the best player and went to Colorado with Dion.
But this annual tradition of trying to convince the fans
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in a now fourteen team playoff, come on. That team
went eleven and one look at their schedule. Who did
they play. That's why I've said, if you have a
fourteen team playoff and nine to ten teams came from
the SEC in the Big Ten, I'm good. I watched SMU,
I watched Indiana. The SEC and the Big Ten have
the best players entering the program. And as you watched
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last night, in the first round, the best players exiting
the programs. So it's like, be honest with the audience.
Urban Meyer last hour on the Big Ten over the
last several year, catching up to the SEC in first
round talent.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
I first got hired Ohio State and even Shelley, and
then everyone said, by you know, we were used to walking
first round draft picks in the SEC, and you were
not doing that in the Big Ten. It was a
slow league. And that's no disrespect. It's a fact. The
investment in Big ten football changed in the early part
of twenty twelve, thirteen, fourteen. And what I mean by
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that recruiting. They got out of their footprint. They went nationally.
The stadiums got better, the crowds got better, everything got better.
And as a result, you can see it on Draft Day.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, I mean I said it this year, Jay mc
and I said that this year. The last two years
of college football, if you have watched Big ten football
and SEC football, there's no gap. Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon,
they looked like LSU and Alabama. There's no gap. There
was a fifteen year run where the SEC looked different.
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The linebackers were faster than Big ten running backs those days.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Are over.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
The news.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
This is the head line news.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
All right, let's start with the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
We haven't talked much about Ashton Genty going to Vegas.
Big get for Pete Carroll in company GM John Spiitech
called Ashton gend a foundational piece, and Pete Carroll spoke
to what he expects from gent in Vegas.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
There's a lot of things to talk about. But one
of the things he was hard to tackle. I mean,
you guys couldn't get it on the ground. And you know,
we compared. I compared him with a lot of players
in the past that skill to make people miss and
to bounce off tackles and to use the force of
the tacklers.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
And he had marvelous talent in that regard.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
And if that he he reminded me. And I'm not
going to share him with because I don't want to compare,
but with a number of players that we've watched over
the years, and you know, going back quite a ways,
I think it is that unique.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I really like this pick. I like it for a
million reasons. On Chip Kelly makes it Work two. Pete's
success has been with dominant run games three Geno Smith
is a different quarterback with a substantial run game. You
mentioned this before the injury, when he had Walker healthy
a couple of years ago. He was a pro bowler, right.
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And Also, if you're gonna win in this division now
against Reid and Harbaugh and Bonnicks, some of it's got
to be ball controlled. You're not gonna get into a
firework show with Peyton Harbaugh, Andy Reid. I like this
pick again. I don't know what's love the Browns. I
love what they did. I don't know what's loved the Raiders.
I love what they did. I like it a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, they couldn't go wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Interesting again, I don't hear people saying this, but like
chip Kelly came from where he was just at Ohio
statement right right, they had two awesome running backs.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I like DENTI.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Ali, do you think if Chip Kelly saw something from
Henderson or Jenkins, he's gonna be like, listen, guys.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
We could just pass on denty and get one of
those two guys. Second, here we have gotten something better
than GENTIVI. I don't know that there was anything better.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Than in this.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Okay, So here's what I heard yesterday from a GM
in the NFL. He said, there are four stars in
this draft. The Raiders got one without giving anything up.
Jacksonville got one but gave up a ton, and so
there were four guys in this league that have that can.
I mean like Abdull Carter, Travis Hunter, genty they're different,
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and a lot of people think cam Ward is different.
After that, it's a lot of players like Mason Graham,
rock solid V plus prospect, would probably get drafted fourteenth
to fifteenth in most drafts. Now he gets drafted five
because it's a weaker draft. So you didn't have a Bosa,
you didn't have a Khalil Mack where it's like well
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Aiden Hutchison. It was a three to four star draft
and the Raiders got one without moving up. Now I think,
I think Hampton and Henderson are great, but they would
be overdrafted at that point, and running back was clearly
in need.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You could say that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I mean also somebody would have to move up. So
their take was we need a running back more than anything.
I mean, that's what they really need. And their take is, okay,
let's not take him here.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Pete Carroll wants to win now, so I get it.
You know you got gent at running back Myers and
Trey Tucker. Outside, they probably got a upgrade.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Owers is a Owers is a superstar.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
We'll see on Geno Smith. I don't listen. This is
the toughest division in football.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Let me say round two is a great wide receiver.
Round Round two and three are great tight end round.
Raiders don't need that.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Well, they need a receiver.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
No, no, so watch today. There's gonna be some really
good players. It's a very good wide receiver. It was
not a good first round wide receiver draft, very strong,
second and third round.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Toughest division in football. Bet oh, better than the NFC North.
I know the North is great, but.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Hey, Raiders, upgrade co upgrade coordinator, upgrade quarterback, upgrade run game.
Yeah that is if I'm telling you so.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
At thirty seven, I would circle Luther Burden, the kid
out of Missouri, very very talented slot guy, because rounds
may take him at thirty three. I don't know that
that pick for Raiders has to be. I feel like
either a wide receiver or go defense because in that
in that division where you're facing Mahomes and Herbert, it's like, hey,
we need we need to fortify the defense. But Raiders
arrow is pointing up. I mean, what six, seven, maybe
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eight weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I feel better about the Raiders now than I have
in ten years. Chipping, I don't think care how.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
To take that's no.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I think Pete reasonable. You are smart guys. And again
I don't love Geno, but he is like Darnold circumstantially.
When you provide him with some protection and a run game,
you can Geno man a Pro Bowl two years ago.
He's more than capable.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Let's go to the green Bay Packers.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Colin interesting pick here intro so they probably have one
of the deepest white receiver.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Groups in the league.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
While watching got hurt, Watson keeps getting hurt. And they
drafted Matthew Golden.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Out of Texas.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I like Golden a lot. I thought he was going
to Dallas. A lot of love for the Texas wide
receiver super fast. I think he ran a sub four
four forty. It was the first time since two thousand
and two Green Bay took a wide receiver in the
first round.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Somewhere Aaron d cursing under it.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Take offensive lineman a receiver's use.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, So let's look at the Packers wide receiver room. Okay,
Jaden Reed is a stud. He's almost like a Golden
Romeo Dobbs. Possession guy. Christian Watson is very good, but
he hurt a lot, hurt a lot. And also they
have the other kid, Wicks, who's there's something there. He's
wildly inconsistent.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, he has big body receiver.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
They might have the best wide receiver room in the league.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Here's my thing in Green Bay. I trust I trust them.
I think last twenty years they draft as well as anybody.
I'm gonna take their word for a receiver. With an
offensive coach and a capable quarterback, I trust the pack There.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Was some thought that they would go Will Johnson because
JIU Alexander is on his way out.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Holden's a more dynamic athlete.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Hold is really good.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, he wouldn't even the guy the Combine that tore
it up.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Oh, he was a burn and he's excellent in Texas.
There's a lot to like about this Packer's team. I
don't have a Chicago's loaded up on offense. Minnesota's got
offensive players. This is an offensive division.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, that's what it is. You've got to score point.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Would it surprise you like if the Packers finished fourth.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
In the division.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
So they're not finishing fourth again.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
It's a really tough to thing.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's a great well give me the division right now,
the order for again, A long way to go, but
still I.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Don't want to it's gonna be really you afraid Detroit's
got the best personnel, but I think I think Chicago's
gonna be. So you have.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Minnesota last the guys, Okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Interesting finally quarterback you yeah, JJ Burdy NBA Colin. This
was not seen by many last night because the Nuggets got.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
That's where what where was it on television?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Who knows? Nuggets got embarrassed and Jokic was not happy.
I'm sure Denver fans will be very upset that this
videos airing. But on the bench in the fourth quarter,
Jokic was lighting into his team, and afterward he revealed
a message to locker room.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
I didn't say nothing. I mean I think everybody needs
to step up. You know, they were they were better
than us today in every aspect of a being, like
so we need to be a be as more as
a grouping to play together and play more and more
more like fight fight at basketball. Not he can un
back down the need to attack.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Shots fired at his team, so they fired their coach.
Michael Porter Junior now has a shoulder thing. Westbrook left
early with foot inflammation. And you've got a guy who's
finished top two in m VP the last five seasons on.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
The bench, unhappy.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would
ask out, but he cannot be throwed to win a
title and now possibly losing the first round of the
paper clip Clippers look are looking good man, They're gonna
be dangerous for OKC.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Who do you have in this series?
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I did not have a pick on this night.
Speaker 9 (35:07):
Who'd you have?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Clippers?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Canny Clippers, neat the thunder.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I'm winning all my series now the Knicks Pistons has
been tighter than I thought.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Who do you have in Lakers? Wolves?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Lakers in five, don't win it in six?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Let's see you like O eight to knowing the first
day not bad.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
We've been really good by the way. We told everybody
last night take the Clippers, and we told everybody to
take the next We went to and oh again last night.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, we'll do tonight's games later.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Well that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line news m.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I'm a little bit of a heater. I'm that old
sweet sixteen there JM. Mister march over here. Uh didn't
you love? I gotta tell you something. I got a
crush on Jim Harbaugh. He officially has his team, his pick.
We'll talk about that next.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
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Speaker 3 (36:13):
Love and you know we had it all.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Be inside it, the probs, the picks. If you missed
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Speaker 1 (36:30):
Harbor's a great coach. He's won everywhere. He wins immediately,
and half of you are absolutely trying to convince those
of us who get it that he can't coach. So
he goes to the Chargers. They have the thirty second
ranked defense. He makes it number one with most of
the same players. Yeah, he can coach, makes them a
playoff team. So last year he gets Joe Alt So
(36:53):
it takes usually in year two that's when Harbaugh's teams pop.
So he takes Joe Alt and now they got their
two tackles. And in this offseason he gets Nausee Harris,
power running back, maybe more of a one A than
a one. And then yesterday he gets Hampton, Amaron Hampton
from UNC, power back Joe Mixon with speed. So now
(37:14):
he's got two starbacks, two star tackles, his star quarterback,
a great slot receiver at lad McConkey. Now they've got
to go get a perimeter wide receiver and a tight end.
Everything's set up for him though, But I oh, it's
remarkable to me that some of you are still clinging
to Yeah, he's overrated. You notice how Michigan has been
(37:38):
thumping Ohio State for years. You do get those are
Jim's players, and nobody else seems to be beating Ohio State.
Michigan is annually. So here he is on picking up.
I mean, at the twenty second pick, you got that kid,
here's Jim you.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
Had to have. You know, those those two really great,
great players running the football and protecting it in the
backfield and being able to catch passes out of the backfield.
I mean, I think they're they're both they're both outstanding.
We're really fired up to have have made our team
better tonight and then back to work tomorrow to keep
(38:20):
keep making the team better.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Stanford forty nine Ers, Michigan LA Chargers wins really quickly
and makes his teams very physical. Same Kakis, same whole
milk with his steak, not into trends, what's hot now.
The Hardballs do it the same way. Draft develop toughness.
I'd say this all the time USC was rolling in
(38:44):
the Pac twelve. Stanford was awful, worst team in the country, arguably.
Jim takes over. By the end of his second year,
I thought they were the most physical team in the conference.
They weren't the best, they were the most physical by
year three. Get out of the way, and this is
what he did with the nine. It's what he did
with Michigan. Michigan was a mess when he took him over,
and it took him years and years and years to
(39:05):
build up enough talent to beat like Bama and Georgia.
But football at its core is about big, tough, intimidating
physical men. It's not cute, it's not finesse. This is
so on brand for Harball. Joe Alt Nauseie Harris, Amarion Hampton.
It's so on brand. And remember because he was a
(39:27):
college coach, he's recruited all these kids. So last year
they had a great draft. This year they're gonna have
a great draft. Now by the by next year, it'll
get to Pete Carroll did this when he came from
sc to Seattle. His first two drafts were insane. He
just knew college personnel. But that your third and fourth draft,
it's not you know, you're losing some connectivity, but it's
(39:48):
just I watched what they're doing here and an amazing
When people are really good at something, they make it
look easy. And every time I watch Harball, you know,
you sit there and watch Harbaugh, and my takeaway as
OHA's you know, why can't anybody else Why didn't anybody
else get Joe Alt and Hampton at the twenty second pick?
Like they just they just make it look easy. The
(40:12):
good GMS. I mean, I'll give the Colts Chris Ballard
credit and he didn't have the right quarterback and their
owner is impulsive, but I mean, you go look at
what the Colts got last year. In this year, they're
just patient. They just wait and they get Warren to
drop to them a position of need and they go
get an excellent tight end, like no, no, no. The
(40:32):
really good gams in this league make it kind of
the good Culture's Baltimore patient, Oh best safety Georgia guy.
Isn't it amazing how the same teams crush every year
in this draft? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Interesting. Baltimore is doing something nobody else in the league
is doing.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
We're going to make our two best players on defense
safeties Hamilton and Starks.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
That's strange, but I kind of sort of like it.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Safeties are making a comeback.
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