May 4, 2022 • 41 mins
Thoughts on the NBA playoffs
Baker Mayfield blew a great opportunity
Guest: Kelenna Azubuike
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern,
nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one.
Find your local station for The Herd at Fox sports
Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on
the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox
Sports Radio. Here we go at our two. We're live
(00:25):
in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may be,
however you may be listening iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio at
FS one. Joy Taylor is joining me. It is great
to be here today, so many different topics. What a
good combative our number one, the very best kind, arguing,
(00:45):
defiant people yelling at me. The kind of radio television
America desperately meets from Uncle Colin. I'll tell you that
right now. To verse little opinions. I thought Milwaukee, I
didn't know if they'd win last night. I thought they'd
keep it close. I knew four minutes and I lost
my bed. It's like, Okay, they just decided we're not
gonna play defense in the first quarter, and Boston you
know they did it. I mean, it's a much more
(01:07):
urgent situation for Boston, who despite how game run looked,
is a really good team. They did sweep of Brooklyn.
That's team that I don't think was that complete, but
did have Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving on it. They're
a good team. Yeah, you know, we always compare. I
want to talk about this for about five minutes. We
always compare Michael Jordan and Lebron and I think deep
(01:27):
down they're much more similar personally than people would think.
But a basketball player in America has three lives. A
personal life, family and stuff, a basketball life, and then
there's that third life, which is social causes. Maybe those
(01:49):
classify as social causes politics, business, now basketball players mostly
the personal life is private, hands off, okay, I'll stay away.
The basketball life is public. I mean they're on television.
It's the third one that gets them into trouble. What
do you do with your social causes? What do you
(02:12):
do if you believe in something but it's probably not
great for your business, but it's something you believe in.
And the media does a really bad job of this.
This is where the American media stinks. They stink in sports,
they stink in politics. It's the worst part of the
American media. They demand liberals demand you have an opinion
(02:34):
on social causes, unless your opinion differs with theirs, then
they punitively crush you. Because Michael Jordan for a years said, hey,
Republicans buy sneakers too. I want your opinion, Michael, I
wat as long as it agrees with mine. God, the
media is awful at that. If you want opinions, be
able to tolerate those. There are lots of nice people
(02:57):
and Christians and Conservatives all over America. I don't like
that they love Trump, but some are my friends. I
don't think. I don't think I want to give him
up as friends, even though I don't like their political views.
The media only wants to hear from the side they
align with. So Michael Jordan was always one of those
(03:18):
guys that kept the personal life private, basketball public, but
he decided to keep his third bucket private overwhelmingly private media.
I don't like it. Lebron has decided to go public
with a lot of his social stuff and business, and
both are okay, But it should be noted that I
(03:40):
think Michael, if he was playing today, would be much
more public with his and Lebron thirty forty years ago
would have been more private with his because all of
us are influenced by social changes, I mean Barack Obama
against gay Mary, and then suddenly he wasn't Americans have
(04:04):
moved to accepting, thankfully, the legalization of marijuana, cannabis, medical marijuana,
gay marriage. Not everybody learns everything at the exact time,
and so though Michael was very private initially with social causes,
as the world has changed and demanded more from people
(04:27):
in power and people of influence and wealth, Michael's become
more public. But I bet if Lebron played forty years ago,
he wouldn't have just thrown it out there because the
pushback would have been so intense. But both Michael was
very smart then and Lebron's very savvy now, and Lebron
obviously sees that it benefits him. He's doubled his net
worse since he's been in Los Angeles, a very socially
(04:49):
aware city. But the media really does a bad job
at this is that if we want our athletes to
have an opinion, and we want our actors to have
an opinion, they can't all be wars and you can't
just hate people who don't think like you listen. I'm
really very, very socially liberal. I was pro gay marriage
and pro pot before nine Liberals. Maybe not Bernie Sanders,
(05:12):
but most that's okay. I grew up around small town
conservative people, and fiscally sometimes i'm kind of a moderate,
but even on that I'm changing. I was never a
huge fan of unions, but I think what's happened with
the tech wealth in America. I do think there's a
separation of people in America that is very scary, very hopeless,
(05:33):
and very disheartening. And so I am moving towards being
pro union and setting up incomes for people in America
that can't keep up. They're not tech optimists, they're not
tech centric, they're not tech superstars. We got to take
care of those people too, And so probably unionizing at
(05:55):
Amazon at Starbucks, I think it's better for society. And
I was an TI union guy forever, but it didn't
used to be. The richest Americans were sixty four billion
times richer than the guy checking groceries at a grocery store.
They are, so let's help them. And with that social commentary,
I move in back to basketball. Klein as a bouquet
(06:18):
is a broadcaster, former Kentucky Wildcat, five years in the NBA,
now a Warrior's TV analyst who's listening to me, thinking
that did I pick the right show? What show is this?
He's talking about social causes? So I watched last night.
I watched Memphis in Golden State, and I feel this
this morning that Golden State will win this series. They're
getting too many good looks. They're too smart, they're too patient,
(06:40):
and you can see Memphis's defense is very frenetic. They
get lost very quickly. They're a bunch of kids, they're
twenty four years old. But I will say this is
that Memphis is a handful and they make you uncomfortable.
And I don't think anybody's got an answer for John
or Rant. I think this thing's gonna end up going
(07:00):
a little longer than Golden State wants. What's your take
on that. Well, Golden State would love to get it
over in five now. I think it's gonna go a
little longer than that. But you're right, Memphis is a tough,
gritty team and they got a lot of built up
confidence against the Wars. But last night a few things
had to go horribly wrong for the Grizzlies to even
(07:22):
when first of all, i'll give your you your adjustment
for game three. How about double teaming Morant early down
the stretch there, because if you look at that game
last night, it was about almost the last eight minutes,
no one else scored other than Clark's, no one else
scored other than Morant. It's a Morant three. It's him
(07:43):
getting into the paint going to his floater, or it's
free thrones from Rant down the stretch there. So maybe
you double team, and that would have been the perfect
time because you got Bayne with his back hurting, You
got the next biggest threat on the bench fouled out
of the game. Your next best player is Zayre Williams
in the game, who's knocked down a couple of threes
(08:05):
before around eight minutes in that fourth quarter. Okay, and
I like Ziah Williams. I think he's gonna be a
great player. But make him make a shot the last
couple minutes of the game. Make him beat you where
late in the fourth quarter crunch time where everybody is
kind of tightened up and it's much tougher to hit
his shot. So make someone else beat you. Come off,
(08:26):
make make a job, job Moran, come off the ball
and pass it to someone else and just live that way.
But the three point shooting, you get outscored if you're
the Wars by twenty one from behind the three point line,
seven for thirty eight. It was just an atrocia shooting out.
Everybody was talking about their shot selection. They can get
better looks. Sometimes they are forcing someone out there. I'll
(08:47):
give the Memphis Grizzies credit defensively for some of that,
but some of it was just the Warriors mission shots.
But the shot selection wasn't great. They can get inside.
They got into the paint and scored sixty points in
the pain. And then the turnovers were an issue. And
it's not just that the Grizzlies got fifteen points off
to return, but it's the fact that all this power,
(09:08):
firepower you should have and you are turning it over
and not giving yourselves a shot at it. So that's
rough on the road overcoming all that. It's gonna be
tough to win that gaming through the Wars and all
that said, you only locked the game by five, and
the Warriors didn't even come close to playing their best game.
The Grizzlies have outshot the Wars from behind the three
point line in two games already they lost one of them.
(09:30):
Can they do that three more times is a question,
and I'm gonna say probably not. The Wars are the
better three point shooting team they were in the regular season.
They've been the better shooting team, the three point shooting
team in the playoffs, even though in the playoffs the
Grizzlies have shot it better from three point range. But
it's gonna be tough for the Grizzlies to win beating
(09:50):
them behind the three point line. And if the Warriors
keep winning the inside game rebounding, they got twenty points
second chance points of the fourteen offensive rebound the Warriors got.
That's supposed to be where the Grizzlies are favored, and
the Warriors will win that game. They won that game
also in the first game as well, and just getting
inside the points in the paint. The Grizzlies is supposed
(10:13):
to be one of the best teams in the league
there too, and the Warriors winning that game. So if
they can keep those two things close and just win
the three point shooting back, which I think the Warriors
will the rest of the series. I got the Warriors
probably in sick Yeah, Draymond Green is interesting. I don't
think the owners love him, you know, flipping the bird
off or talking about a salary. But there is something
(10:34):
you watch him every night as a Warrior TV analyst.
He's a catalyst for a lot of things. You know, Kurr.
There are stories a couple of years ago at the
end of the Dynasty or kurs like, I'm done with him.
He's driving me nuts when you watch him on a
nightly basis, Tell me something I don't see about Draymond
or the casual fan wouldn't see about his value. He's
(10:56):
a hard beat. He's talking all the time. He doesn't show,
but the Warriors need that. He's like the quarterback on defense.
He's telling everybody, everybody where to go on both sides
of the floor. The way he pushes the temple. That's
one of the biggest things for me about his game
that really affects the game so positively for the Wars,
because the Wars want to play up and down, they
(11:17):
want to get out in transition, and the Warriors in
transition they're so tough to stop because they do have
all that firepower, all the shooters, they have with Jordan Pull,
Steph Curry, Clay Thompson. When he pushes it and he
gets into the middle and he's looking for guys on
the perimeter, you get the backdoor cuts. They get that
a lot, at least once or twice a game just
(11:38):
off of his push in transition. That is huge for
this Warrior team. So him pushing it, and then I
think when he's more aggressive looking to score more, do
we lose you We're good? Yeah, we're good. Okay. When
he's more aggressive looking to score more, I think the
(11:59):
Warriors are even more dangerous because he's gonna get those
looks from three point range. Guys are gonna sag off
of him, and one thing maybe the casual fenders to see, yeah,
when they're sagging off the Draymond, that kind of works
in the Wars advantage because Draymond doesn't have to shoot
the ball every single time. He'll maybe take a few
of those threes and he feels like he's a better
shooter in the postseason. But when teams sack off of him,
(12:21):
he can give that handoff to Staff or Clay or
Jordan Poole and they come off there with more space
because his defender is so far away already. He creates
space for guys to get their shot off and again
the wars with their shot selection and get to that
in between game. You don't have to come off there
and shoot the three, especially when that defender you're original
about the defender is fighting over the top of that
and trying to bother you from behind. If you could
(12:43):
just get a little close to the basket, get to
that in between floater, mid range jumper in the pocket
instead of going all the way to the rim. You
don't have to go all the way a rim. If
you can't get to the rim, that's great. But Draymond
is kind of the initiative initiator of all that. And
then his fake handoffs. This guy should teach a clinic
on fake handoffs. Sometimes we call him naked handoffs, where
(13:04):
he acts like he's gonna give it to Staff or
Clay or Jordan Poole. Then he fakes it. His defender
jumps to the shooter and he's going to the basket.
And he's such a great decision maker. You make that
next defender have to come over commit to him, and
he's able to throw the law. That's why I want
to see someone like Comena in there. Comena walks the
skies like if you put him in the short corner,
(13:25):
especially with GP two out, which I hate that. He's
another great story for this team. Put Comena in there
in the short corner and let his defender come off
of him and see what happens. And again in San Francisco,
the crowd's gonna go crazy. That's a momentum thing when
Comena dunks the ball. But that's Draymond. Draymond, you can
put him in so many different positions and he's such
a great decision maker. He's gonna make something good of
(13:48):
all of that. John Morant is a very flashy player.
He's one hundred and seventy four pounds. It's very Derek Rose.
To me, the great players in this sport, from Kareem
to Lebron to Michael it's a sustainable style. It's a
sustainable body. It's the difference between Walter Payton. The greatest
running back I ever saw play was Walter Payton, who
played for like thirteen years, and Ezekiel Elliott or Todd Gurley,
(14:10):
who are remarkable, but after about four I feel like
they're you know, they're they're eroding as a player. Is
that sustainability is the key to superstardom? Can you be
around for fifteen years? The Bradys, the Michaels, the Kobe's
And I look at John, I'm like, he's one hundred
and seventy four pounds. He finishes at the rim in
the forest with the trees a lot. It's a flashy style.
(14:32):
So as he's scoring sometimes it is a it's a
little humiliating the way he scores on people, And I
think to myself, I don't know if this is sustainable.
Guys are going to come after him. I love him.
He's exhilarating, but can you do this for ten years? Like?
Can that style last for ten years? It'll be tough.
(14:53):
He's definitely got to take care of his body, make
sure he's on a strict diet and taking care of
the massages, all the different things, the new age technology,
therapy treatments to make sure he can perform at his
best and get his body ready. But I think he's
gonna have to become a more consistent three point shooter.
(15:14):
And he's shooting well yeah, so far in this series.
He hit five threes last night, which is why I
felt like, Okay, you got a double tee this guy,
because if he's making his jump shot, you're gap at him,
which is the right way to guard him right now,
because you'd rather have him shooting threes than going at
your head time and time again. But if he's making
(15:34):
his three ball, the guy's on guarding. He's too quick,
he's too explosive. He's got that quick, quick twitch thing,
and he's got too many moves, the spin moves, besides says,
all those different things to get to his float. He's
got the best floater in the league, which I think
is a really good tool for him instead of always
trying to attack the basket all the way and jump
into people and taking all that punishment. So I think
(15:56):
the fact that he has a great floater is a
wonderful weapon for him. But I think he's gonna have
to be a more consistent shooter long term and be
able to rely on that more and not have to
go in there and put his body on the line
because he takes them hard falls exact that he's just
pounding on his knees every single night, the way he jumps,
how athletic he is, He's fallen hard, and I feel
(16:18):
like it was in Game one he came up kind
of gimpy, fell on his back. So you don't want
to keep taking that for ten years, like you say,
But again you talked about Derek Rows. I think of
the same thing. A lot of that too, depends on
how good I don't want to say your bone structure
(16:38):
is your knees are, like how you're built, like some
guys have higher kneecaps, like I was born with vatela alta,
so that didn't help me when it comes to being
a jumper. Some guys have chronic tendonnitis, and if if
you have that, I'd love to know how good his
knees are, if he's ever had the knee issues or
Votela tendon nitis, chronic tendannitis in his career where he's
(16:59):
having to take pills or anything like that, if that's okay,
and if he's built like a Lebron where his knees
are perfect, then he can jump like crazy for a
long time and years and years and years that I
think he'll maybe last a little longer and hopefully we
don't see him get injured because I love him too.
He's one of my favorite players of watch, and I
want him to stay healthy as long as possible. But
(17:20):
I think again, he's got to get to the point
where he is a consistent three point shooter, consistent mid
range shooter, where he can rely on that a little
more and not have to take so much punishment every
single night. Colin adds great finally getting to talk to you.
He's in the Bay Area. NBC Sports Bay Arey Talking
Warriors alongside Bob Fitzgerald. Have great broadcasting teams all through
(17:40):
the Bay Area. Tommy Tilbert time to time jumps on
our show as well. It's great seeing you, great meeting you,
and good luck to you. Yeah, great talking to Colin.
Thanks for having me. Thank you here, you bet. But
you know, we were talking about sustainability. One of the
only athletes, you know, I've always said, there's only one
athlete in my little in the history of sports that
I didn't get a seat. Because I did get to
(18:01):
see an old Wilt with the Lakers. He was old
headband Wilton, not moving up the court very fast. But
most of the great athletes, I'm lucky that Tiger was
in my prime. I got to see some of Jack
Nicholas in his prime. I got I got a lot
of good Kareem years, Magic, Michael lebron NFL, I got
Brady and Montana. Oh no, absolutely, I saw him. I
(18:23):
can remember literally. But my point is the only great
athlete I didn't get to see is Sandy Kofax. Colfax
is one of the only athletes of all time. He
had six good years and he's considered the best picture ever.
Like Sandy Kofax was so good. You know, there's the
old joke about you know, you asked great hitters like
Frank Robinson's one of the great hitters in the history
of baseball, and they were asking him one time about
(18:43):
facing Bob Gibson and then facing Denny McClain and all
these guys. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
hit him and hit him. And then they asked him
about Cofax, and Frank Robinson said, yeah, nobody hit nobody
hit Sandy Kofax, Like he was so unbelievable that virtually
every outing could be a no hitter. He was just
I mean, like, you know, as good as Clayton Kershaw
was in his prime, if you'd have made Kershaw twenty
(19:04):
five percent better, but his career only lasted six and
Kershaw his prime was unbelievable, like the curveball was unhittable.
Go to YouTube. But I mean, by and large greatness,
sustainabilities fifty percent of it. There's not a lot of
people we go, oh, he's an all time great with
a seven year career. Some of it is I don't
care if it's broadcasting or baseball. Can you last twenty?
(19:27):
Can you last a long time? So it's very, very hard.
And what was the question you were asking? Oh, I
saw Who'd you say that? I see Ali? Here's how
I Here's what I remember about Muhammad Ali. I've told
this story before. So I grew up in the Pacific Northwest.
There was it's how big Ali was. There was no
social media, there was no cable television when I was
a kid in Seattle. I didn't grow up in Seattle.
(19:48):
Two hours to the beach. There was a show called
JP Patches and it was a morning show. And JP
Patches was a clown and Gertrude and had like characters.
I watched it. Here's how big Muhammadal he was. When
he beat George Foreman in Zire, JP Patches broke into
(20:09):
a show. He turned to Gertrude and said, oh, Muhammadan
because it was like on tape. It was at a
different time. He broke into programming a cartoon show. That's
how big. You didn't have cable, you didn't have the Internet,
like everybody was wanted to know what that fight was.
So I don't know why that memory. I don't know
at the time the fight was. It was in zire,
(20:31):
but I remember watching that show as a little kid
and finding out about that on a on a cartoon show. Yeah,
there's my mahoma. All the story and that it just
I injected it. There was no real point to it,
but I would I've seen a lot of the great athletes, yes,
and and Colfax is the only one I didn't because
his career was earlier and it was very, very brief.
(20:53):
So that's why with John Moran, I don't doubt he's great,
but he was hurt this year. He hits the floor hard.
Remember when Michael Jordan broke into the league, and my
high school basketball coach was James Kahn, and I remember
watching the game or talking about Jordan. He broke into
the league, and he'd said at the time, I remember
him saying this, he goes, you can't hit the floor
(21:13):
at some point, he has got to develop a jump shot.
You cannot just drive to the rim Duncan people, and
he was saying, like he Michael has to because Michael's
when he first came into the league. He was moving
through the Celtics and the Pistons. There was no way
to stop Michael except tackle him. And so when you
could at that point, yeah, I mean, so you're watching
(21:34):
with Dylan Brooks last night. That was every series Michael.
I mean, it was just it was brutal. Lakers, Pistons
go to YouTube, Rambas getting tackled by Lambier Mahorne. It
was brutal. So that's why when I see this stuff
by Dylan Brooks, I'm like, I've seen way worse. I'm
not saying it's appropriate, but you know I've seen way worse.
One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,
(21:55):
seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd
to listen live or on to ma whenever you like
usfl Action continues Friday as the Philadelphia Stars Battle of
Michigan Panthers at ten Eastern on FS one, then Saturday
at seven Eastern on Fox Todd Haley's Tampa Bay Bandits
take on Skip Polts in the Birmingham Stallions. I just
(22:17):
heard JJ Reddick saying nice things about the Draymond Green podcast,
which was exclusively on the volume. Listen to that company's
very good. One of the reasons Draymond can be outspoken
is because he's really talented. Yes, one of the reasons
Aaron Rodgers can be a pain in the rear is
(22:39):
because he's really talented. So I was thinking about this,
so I saw this story this morning. Joe. The Browns
do not want to pay any portion of Baker's salary.
That is what Diana Russini, a fine reporter, said on
Ryan Rissilo's podcast. They don't want to pay a penny
of it. And Diana said, no team wants him. It's interesting.
(23:04):
Remember you and I had the big battle about Sam
Darnold Baker. I like Sam bigger, stronger athlete better. You know,
he was a better basketball player in high school. He's
a linebacker, and I thought he was a good kid, humble,
gracious kid. Baker I thought was talented, threw a little
better ball, better release, a little too snarky, little too
much attitude. Here's what's interesting, and these are very divergent decisions.
(23:30):
Sam Darnold got a second team to give him a chance.
In fact, Carolina was willing to pay him a ton
and give up three picks. Baker cannot find a second gig,
and that is the difference. Baker blew a great opportunity,
Nit Chubb, Op j Jarvis Landry, David and Joku, Kevin Stefanski, Miles, Garrett,
(23:57):
John Johnson, the hell ninety percent on the quarterbacks in
this league don't get that opportunity. Offensive coach, best owned line,
unbelievable running backs, Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb, David and Doku,
Jen Joku and Austin Hooper, O b j and Jarvis,
Landry and Donovan People's jones who I like? He blew it.
(24:18):
Sam Darnold's different. He's just not talented enough to overcome
the Jets mess or Caroline is lousy roster. That's a
big difference. And I've come to terms. Sam's just not
talented enough. He's not Mahomes, he's not Josh Allen, he's
not Lamar Jackson, he's not Justin Herbert. He's not gifted
enough to overcome bad rosters, but he didn't blow it.
(24:43):
Baker's different, and the NFL likes Sam Darnold. They root
for Sam Darnold. My buddies in the league all want
him to succeed. They really like him. He's Biggi's athletic.
He's just got a quirky release and cognitively, Sam, let's
go of about two passes a game. I'm just sringing.
But that's the difference, is that Aaron is so gifted,
(25:06):
so gifted, Draymond is so gifted. They're so unique unicorns
that they're allowed to have a little attitude, or be outspoken,
or do things that make management a little uncomfortable, sometimes
a lot uncomfortable. But of you and me and the
rest of America, isn't that talented? So lose the snark
(25:30):
tough guy on Twitter. You ain't that just the dude?
And that was always my knock on Baker. He's not
a bad guy and Emily are probably wonderful people, but
he's not talented enough to be snarky. He's not talented
enough to become bat of every press conference. He's not.
(25:52):
That's the difference. Sam Darnold's just not talented enough to
overcome junk. Another guy blew a rate opportunity and everybody
in the league saw it, and Cleveland saw it, and
that's why they don't want to pay any of a
salary like way we gave him that that blew up
(26:14):
and the Jets almost felt guilty with Sam. It was like, hey, yeah, ye,
I mean Carolina, all these rumors they're gonna get Baker,
they didn't, And they like Sam. They want Sam to work.
Roster's not very good. And he's not Josh Allen. He's
not Lamari, he's not Justin. He's not Kyler Murray. Difference
(26:35):
between the two. Be nice. It goes a long way.
Don't agitate, lubricate, it goes a long way. Joy with
the news. No, no, this is the herd line news. Look,
I we thought might be going to Carolina. That didn't
was Malik Willis. He is with the Titans selected in
the third round of the drafts, which to some people
(26:58):
feel Mike be adding a little competition for ryan' Tannehill
in the quarterback room. Well eventually for sure, yes, Well,
he said he has no problem with the move, and
he even texted Willis after he was drafted. But he
also doesn't think it is his responsibility to develop Malik Willis.
We're competing against each other. We're you know, watching the
same tape, we're doing the same drills. I don't think
(27:19):
it's my job to mentor him. But you know, if
he learns from me along the way, then then that's
a great thing. Yes, Now, I know there's a lot
of outrage about this outrageous joy so selfish, I will
say this. As a quarterback, I do see where he's
coming from. It's a very specific job. It's a very
(27:42):
specific room. I always say, if you have more than
one quarterback, you have no quarterback. So that's a job
that you really need to be a dominant and have
your feet on the grounds. And now I know this
isn't warm and fuzzy what he said, but I'm sure
he also feels a lot of pressure. Like they lost
to the Bengals at home. As a number one off
(28:04):
a Bye played them right and they sacked Joe Burrow
nine times. He couldn't put it on the defense, Anna Hill.
He was fifteen twenty four three interceptions. Yes, he blew it.
So the pressure is on Ryan Sannahill. So now I
bring up an interesting point though I didn't think about this,
but this is interesting the way you say it, because
(28:25):
you made a position specific. If you are a linebacker
and there's nine on the team and you're a veteran linebacker,
would I be more inclined to go listen, they can
move me when I slowed down, they can move me
to the middle. I'm outside. If I was a receiver,
by the way, yeah, and I'm a perimeter receiver and
you're a slot receiver. You're not taking my job and
(28:46):
I'm not taking yours. Would I feel differently helping develop
I think I would. That's an interesting point. I think
I would. I think threat what your job is, and
especially if you are a veteran who has a multi
year deal, it kind of is your job to help
develop rookies. Like if you want to put together a team,
you have an X receiver, a wire receiver, there's a
(29:06):
lot of different receiving elements. One quarterback. There's one quarterback
that told also probably put the kicker. In this situation,
you d have the kicker. You're on your own, kid.
You gotta figure it out, that's right. So now, generally
if they do drafts a kicker, they'll they'll start right away.
That's just not how that position goes. But yeah, I
think for the quarterback position only now people are gonna
(29:27):
like Ryan Tannehill saying this because you know, they want
him to say that he's gonna do everything he can
to you know how maliqu will has become the best
quarterback he can be. But that would be disingenuous if
Ryan Tannhill he's not going to do that. No one's
saying that he I don't think Ryan Tannehill's the type
of person is going to sabotage Maliq Willes. And that's
not what he's saying. He saying if he learns to me, great,
but this is my job. Yeah, I think the quarterback
position is different than every other position in the league.
(29:49):
And then it's similar with jobs. Like I'm I'm happy
to be a mentor to people. I don't what's it
to me? It's not it's not changing my position. So
but we're not quarterbacks. There's there's not one of us,
like there's multiple other opportunities if something changes, so that
changes how people look at things when it comes to competition.
So and look, people have a lot of questions about
(30:10):
Ryan Tannehill. That's why Malik Wills is there, and it's fair.
He blew it in the in the playoffs, in the
biggest moment as the number one seed, he threw three interceptions.
Yeah it wasn't on the defense sacking Joe Burrow nine times.
So it's a fair situation. So Daymond Green was back
in the lineup last night after his objection in Game one,
in the first quarter, he got elbowed in the face
and Grizzlies fans booed him. When he went to the
(30:32):
locker room, he flipped the crowd off, clutch your pearls
as you have to go get stitches, And after the
game he spoke about why he reacted that way. You're
gonna bloo someone to get elbowed in the eye and
blood running out of your face. I could have had
a concussion or anything. So if they're gonna if they're
gonna be that nasty, I can be nasty too. And
(30:53):
I'm assuming the cheers was because they knew I'll get fine. Great.
I made twenty five million dollars a year, should be
just far. Look, we have to have villains in sports.
I don't even think he's that much of a villain.
I don't think he is either. But I mean, if
you are playing against Draymond Green and you are gonna
get talk about Ryan's yelling at me, you think he's
a villain. Colin, I know you have a soft spot
(31:15):
um for a very obvious reason for you, he's a villain.
I think anyone who is not a Warriors fan looks
at Draymond Green as a villain. Yeah, I'm saying I
think if you're playing Draymond Green, I don't think Draymond
is a bad guy. I don't think that he is
even kind of intentionally a villain. I think it's his
personality just lends to this and he has had to
(31:35):
play that role with this team, so he leans into
it and if it's imperfectly. But yeah, if you're playing
against Draymond Green, you do not like Draymond Green. So
I don't think he's a villain because I think first
of all, people turn into his podcast because they like him.
He's a likable villain. But well, Bill Lamber tackled people
he was a villain. There's a difference between being a
mean guy or a bad guy and being a villain.
(31:58):
So he's a villain so he's to have I'm redeeming qualities. Yeah,
so you're he's a wrestling heel. He's likable, but he's
leaning into it. Okay, he's also good, which is to
your point about everything you just said about Baker. When
you're a champion, when you're the obvious soul of the team,
then you get to beat a different status and you
can do things like this. Everybody can't do that. You're
(32:19):
not going to come across this. I don't. I don't.
I find him incredibly likable. Yeah. I like Draymond too,
but if Draymond's playing my team, I don't like Draymond.
I don't think people think he's like a genuinely bad person.
He's a great guy. But right, from two different things, right,
but from a basketball fan perspective, when people watch him play,
they go, I don't like that guy. Really? Yeah, definitely,
(32:44):
that's like that's what happened in Memphis last night. Like
they're this is a this is a likable organization. They're fun,
they're young, like they've you know, talk a little bit
trash to somebody's nobody sensitive there. If you've ever seen
it's funny, if you've ever seen Draymond in person. I
saw him to fight. He is the most gregarious athlete.
He's like all fun. He's a tough but he's tough.
(33:05):
He listen, he's he got second round, he got a
chip on his shoulder and he I I'm with you,
and I like Draymond, But if Jaymond plays my team,
I don't like Draymond. So I thought I thought Bill
Lambier was totally unlikable, right, because you have to have
some redeeming qualities to you as well. You can't just
be a you can't just be angry all the time.
(33:25):
Draymond's tough, and he's an enforcer, and he's a little
bit you know of a heel, but he's also happy
and a winner. So all those things together. But yes,
when you're playing Draymond, you don't like him, and he
knows that. That's what That's why that happened last night.
Maybe if Bill Lambier at a podcast, I would have
liked him more. The problem with Bill born too soon.
So the NIL has been a controversial topic of the
(33:47):
last few months. A task force those usually go really well.
It's reportedly forming to review the guidelines going forward. Okay,
like your pins or something. It's like think tanks. We're
going to contemplate the future of the economy. Just do stuff,
buy stock, sell them you like fanny packs with the
(34:09):
fat task wars we're going off. Just think about are
good people. We've tracked the tasks and Butts was asked
what he thinks about the current landscape of college sports
in general, and he did not hold back. The bottom line,
you know, be careful what you wish for. Totally different
than what we've been used to. My opinion, you know,
(34:29):
we need a new leadership group from AFAR. It looks
like right now nobody has control of anything. So it's
just have at it, you know, And that's I don't
know if that's ever good. Even the NFL has some rules, restrictions, guidelines, yes,
salary caps, He's right, all of that. Yeah, I don't
know right now college football has any of that. So
(34:50):
it's have at it. You know. I do agree with
Bob there you gotta set up. There's gotta be something
you just can't beat. No, I don't disagree. I just hear,
what are the what are the guidelines? I got a
question for you. I'm gonna throw this out. This is
really something I shouldn't talk about but I called somebody
at USC and said, I like that receiver. Can I
buy him? Is that an ethical? I think, Well, you're
(35:12):
not a booster of the school? Well kind of. Well,
you know, you either are a booster at the school
or you're not. Well, I'm doing them every day, I
talk about them favorably. I'm booster. That's not a booster
means well, I am a different kind of booster. I'm
a social booster. Well, they haven't quantified that yet. But
unless you give to from why understanding, if you give
to a school, if you donate money to school, then
(35:33):
you are a booster. There's a lot of different boosters.
Even with COVID, there's a Johnson and Johnson, there's a
there's a lot of different boosters. Stand up bits. Now
the bottom line, you said it earlier. I'm zero, absolutely
zero sympathy whatsoever for the NCAA. This was a freight
trained downhill from the moment YouTube was invented. And if
(35:54):
you didn't bother to make any plans whatsoever, that's on you. Also,
you it's a billion all our business and you have
no one in charge. There is no CEO, there is
no you know why the NFL is able to put
put in these rules and stuff. They have a commissioner,
someone who makes those decisions. This was essentially you're done
skiing for the day and you're down at the base
(36:16):
having a beer with a buddy, and you see an
avalanche at the top and you got six minutes and
you're like, I'm gonna finish this bud light instead of
going it's getting our car and get the hell out
of here. This thing was coming down the hill at
least getting paid ignored for seven years, they, I would
argue much longer than that. The moment that people were
able to to make money off of their likeness on
(36:39):
the Internet and build a following before they ever stepped
foots on anyone's campus, it was a done deal. You
can't tell some some basketball player who goes to school
with one hundred thousand followers on Instagram that can monetize
that that they can't use their image and likeness. Who
are you? I could go to any school in the
country with all with my my base of fans. You
(37:01):
can't tell me I can't use this, And they just
chose to ignore it. So I absolutely no sympathy for them.
At all joy with the news. Well that's the news
and thanks for stopping by. The Herd line laid back
in a minute The Herd. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Hey,
(37:22):
I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball. We
usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more
about the stories about what made these people love their
sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We
talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell you stories.
You download it, you listen to it. I think you'll
like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on
(37:45):
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or ever you get your podcast. Guys,
we're getting old or doesn't mean we have to slow down.
There's m Drive supplements for driven men. Go to m
drive forman dot com free shipping. Don't slow down, get
m D if they have M drive Lean, which is
a protein powder which is great. So by the way,
big announcement to mate. Officially, Herdburger is the official sponsor
(38:08):
of USC football and will now be connected to name image,
likeness compensation. I was just told that would be legal
me just I don't know. I'm not a I am
not a lawyer. I'm not a doctor until Monday. I'll
be a doctor on Monday. Why is that I'm getting
an honorary doctor from Barry University? Whoa right? You're getting
an honor I thought I thought they gave masters out.
(38:30):
You get a doctor doctorate. Oh my gosh, it's very
exciting that is. Are you given the commencement speech? Am
on Monday? On Friday? I'm getting it so Monday when
I come in. So I'm gone. Next doctor Roy Taylor. Wow,
doctor Joy Taylor. That is unbelievable. That sounds so it's
it's sounds so it's fair. Is it fair to introduce
(38:50):
myself as doctor Joy Taylor? After? Absolutely? And I think
so too. At think's totally available. It's totally on the board. Yeah,
do you have to wear a white jacket like my
dad did growing up? Well? No, so I'm not a
medical doctor. It's a doctor of humanities, but you can
be a doctor of education. You have to be a
doctor of psychology by vocals. Well, I have glasses already,
(39:11):
so all right, that's amazing. Yeah, it's exciting. I don't
have a lot of doctor friends. This will be a
new life for me. It's very exciting. How about that.
I don't know what I want to talk about here
because I got some stuff I don't want to give
away in Rasillo's next hour. The name image, likeness, stuff
is fun. I have friends up in Seattle, and the
University of Washington's like not going to do it. They're
(39:31):
just like, we're not going to get into bidding wars
for players. My whole theory on this has been a
lot of things are new in America and they become
wild wild West without the right regulations. Drones were privacy
concerns when drones came out. They're sneaking and looking at stuff,
and then and fts and bitcoin and n I l
anytime there's new stuff and there's money to be made
in it, it gets it's got to be regulated. And
(39:52):
there's always this process stars as just an agregious amount
of panics surrounding it and how the world's going to end,
and it's like, no, and figure it out immediately, and
we knew, you know, people are saying this is not sustainable.
I don't think of cryptocurrencies sustainable. Our government will at
some point create one and blow the rest of these
out of the water. So in the end, ninety nine
(40:14):
percent of stuff that it just depends do you like
it like Bitcoin is a great example. Bitcoin attracts what
they call tech optimists, people who believe tech is everything
and it'll solve all the world's problems, and yet most
of us still like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and
to hang out with our dogs. Is that most of
us have simple pleasures and are not tech spend galleys
(40:34):
or gurus. And so I think a lot of this bitcoin,
a lot of cryptocurrencies nonsense. But that doesn't mean Mark
Cuban and Elon Musk aren't into it because they're tech optimists,
because they become billionaires with tech and being ahead of
the curve. And so there's a lot of stuff out
there that's just not right. Cryptocurrencies not regulated enough, and
fts are just ripping people off left and right, and
(40:56):
this thing's a mess. But then people step in and
try to put some guardrails up and we'll be fine.
You knew this thing wasn't gonna last forever, because there
are some stories out here that are just comical where
there's it's but also the money isn't gonna last either.
It's right, these boosters are not just going to shell
out millions and millions and millions of dollars if they're
not winning championships. That's gonna get cut off. What you
(41:19):
paid three million dollars for someone and they did win
a championship, what was the point of that? Herdburger, I
buy a tight end. I want four touchdowns a game
or I'm out. Our three is coming up next.
Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern,
nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one.
Find your local station for The Herd at Fox sports
Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on
the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox
Sports Radio. Here we go at our two. We're live
(00:25):
in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may be,
however you may be listening iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio at
FS one. Joy Taylor is joining me. It is great
to be here today, so many different topics. What a
good combative our number one, the very best kind, arguing,
(00:45):
defiant people yelling at me. The kind of radio television
America desperately meets from Uncle Colin. I'll tell you that
right now. To verse little opinions. I thought Milwaukee, I
didn't know if they'd win last night. I thought they'd
keep it close. I knew four minutes and I lost
my bed. It's like, Okay, they just decided we're not
gonna play defense in the first quarter, and Boston you
know they did it. I mean, it's a much more
(01:07):
urgent situation for Boston, who despite how game run looked,
is a really good team. They did sweep of Brooklyn.
That's team that I don't think was that complete, but
did have Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving on it. They're
a good team. Yeah, you know, we always compare. I
want to talk about this for about five minutes. We
always compare Michael Jordan and Lebron and I think deep
(01:27):
down they're much more similar personally than people would think.
But a basketball player in America has three lives. A
personal life, family and stuff, a basketball life, and then
there's that third life, which is social causes. Maybe those
(01:49):
classify as social causes politics, business, now basketball players mostly
the personal life is private, hands off, okay, I'll stay away.
The basketball life is public. I mean they're on television.
It's the third one that gets them into trouble. What
do you do with your social causes? What do you
(02:12):
do if you believe in something but it's probably not
great for your business, but it's something you believe in.
And the media does a really bad job of this.
This is where the American media stinks. They stink in sports,
they stink in politics. It's the worst part of the
American media. They demand liberals demand you have an opinion
(02:34):
on social causes, unless your opinion differs with theirs, then
they punitively crush you. Because Michael Jordan for a years said, hey,
Republicans buy sneakers too. I want your opinion, Michael, I
wat as long as it agrees with mine. God, the
media is awful at that. If you want opinions, be
able to tolerate those. There are lots of nice people
(02:57):
and Christians and Conservatives all over America. I don't like
that they love Trump, but some are my friends. I
don't think. I don't think I want to give him
up as friends, even though I don't like their political views.
The media only wants to hear from the side they
align with. So Michael Jordan was always one of those
(03:18):
guys that kept the personal life private, basketball public, but
he decided to keep his third bucket private overwhelmingly private media.
I don't like it. Lebron has decided to go public
with a lot of his social stuff and business, and
both are okay, But it should be noted that I
(03:40):
think Michael, if he was playing today, would be much
more public with his and Lebron thirty forty years ago
would have been more private with his because all of
us are influenced by social changes, I mean Barack Obama
against gay Mary, and then suddenly he wasn't Americans have
(04:04):
moved to accepting, thankfully, the legalization of marijuana, cannabis, medical marijuana,
gay marriage. Not everybody learns everything at the exact time,
and so though Michael was very private initially with social causes,
as the world has changed and demanded more from people
(04:27):
in power and people of influence and wealth, Michael's become
more public. But I bet if Lebron played forty years ago,
he wouldn't have just thrown it out there because the
pushback would have been so intense. But both Michael was
very smart then and Lebron's very savvy now, and Lebron
obviously sees that it benefits him. He's doubled his net
worse since he's been in Los Angeles, a very socially
(04:49):
aware city. But the media really does a bad job
at this is that if we want our athletes to
have an opinion, and we want our actors to have
an opinion, they can't all be wars and you can't
just hate people who don't think like you listen. I'm
really very, very socially liberal. I was pro gay marriage
and pro pot before nine Liberals. Maybe not Bernie Sanders,
(05:12):
but most that's okay. I grew up around small town
conservative people, and fiscally sometimes i'm kind of a moderate,
but even on that I'm changing. I was never a
huge fan of unions, but I think what's happened with
the tech wealth in America. I do think there's a
separation of people in America that is very scary, very hopeless,
(05:33):
and very disheartening. And so I am moving towards being
pro union and setting up incomes for people in America
that can't keep up. They're not tech optimists, they're not
tech centric, they're not tech superstars. We got to take
care of those people too, And so probably unionizing at
(05:55):
Amazon at Starbucks, I think it's better for society. And
I was an TI union guy forever, but it didn't
used to be. The richest Americans were sixty four billion
times richer than the guy checking groceries at a grocery store.
They are, so let's help them. And with that social commentary,
I move in back to basketball. Klein as a bouquet
(06:18):
is a broadcaster, former Kentucky Wildcat, five years in the NBA,
now a Warrior's TV analyst who's listening to me, thinking
that did I pick the right show? What show is this?
He's talking about social causes? So I watched last night.
I watched Memphis in Golden State, and I feel this
this morning that Golden State will win this series. They're
getting too many good looks. They're too smart, they're too patient,
(06:40):
and you can see Memphis's defense is very frenetic. They
get lost very quickly. They're a bunch of kids, they're
twenty four years old. But I will say this is
that Memphis is a handful and they make you uncomfortable.
And I don't think anybody's got an answer for John
or Rant. I think this thing's gonna end up going
(07:00):
a little longer than Golden State wants. What's your take
on that. Well, Golden State would love to get it
over in five now. I think it's gonna go a
little longer than that. But you're right, Memphis is a tough,
gritty team and they got a lot of built up
confidence against the Wars. But last night a few things
had to go horribly wrong for the Grizzlies to even
(07:22):
when first of all, i'll give your you your adjustment
for game three. How about double teaming Morant early down
the stretch there, because if you look at that game
last night, it was about almost the last eight minutes,
no one else scored other than Clark's, no one else
scored other than Morant. It's a Morant three. It's him
(07:43):
getting into the paint going to his floater, or it's
free thrones from Rant down the stretch there. So maybe
you double team, and that would have been the perfect
time because you got Bayne with his back hurting, You
got the next biggest threat on the bench fouled out
of the game. Your next best player is Zayre Williams
in the game, who's knocked down a couple of threes
(08:05):
before around eight minutes in that fourth quarter. Okay, and
I like Ziah Williams. I think he's gonna be a
great player. But make him make a shot the last
couple minutes of the game. Make him beat you where
late in the fourth quarter crunch time where everybody is
kind of tightened up and it's much tougher to hit
his shot. So make someone else beat you. Come off,
(08:26):
make make a job, job Moran, come off the ball
and pass it to someone else and just live that way.
But the three point shooting, you get outscored if you're
the Wars by twenty one from behind the three point line,
seven for thirty eight. It was just an atrocia shooting out.
Everybody was talking about their shot selection. They can get
better looks. Sometimes they are forcing someone out there. I'll
(08:47):
give the Memphis Grizzies credit defensively for some of that,
but some of it was just the Warriors mission shots.
But the shot selection wasn't great. They can get inside.
They got into the paint and scored sixty points in
the pain. And then the turnovers were an issue. And
it's not just that the Grizzlies got fifteen points off
to return, but it's the fact that all this power,
(09:08):
firepower you should have and you are turning it over
and not giving yourselves a shot at it. So that's
rough on the road overcoming all that. It's gonna be
tough to win that gaming through the Wars and all
that said, you only locked the game by five, and
the Warriors didn't even come close to playing their best game.
The Grizzlies have outshot the Wars from behind the three
point line in two games already they lost one of them.
(09:30):
Can they do that three more times is a question,
and I'm gonna say probably not. The Wars are the
better three point shooting team they were in the regular season.
They've been the better shooting team, the three point shooting
team in the playoffs, even though in the playoffs the
Grizzlies have shot it better from three point range. But
it's gonna be tough for the Grizzlies to win beating
(09:50):
them behind the three point line. And if the Warriors
keep winning the inside game rebounding, they got twenty points
second chance points of the fourteen offensive rebound the Warriors got.
That's supposed to be where the Grizzlies are favored, and
the Warriors will win that game. They won that game
also in the first game as well, and just getting
inside the points in the paint. The Grizzlies is supposed
(10:13):
to be one of the best teams in the league
there too, and the Warriors winning that game. So if
they can keep those two things close and just win
the three point shooting back, which I think the Warriors
will the rest of the series. I got the Warriors
probably in sick Yeah, Draymond Green is interesting. I don't
think the owners love him, you know, flipping the bird
off or talking about a salary. But there is something
(10:34):
you watch him every night as a Warrior TV analyst.
He's a catalyst for a lot of things. You know, Kurr.
There are stories a couple of years ago at the
end of the Dynasty or kurs like, I'm done with him.
He's driving me nuts when you watch him on a
nightly basis, Tell me something I don't see about Draymond
or the casual fan wouldn't see about his value. He's
(10:56):
a hard beat. He's talking all the time. He doesn't show,
but the Warriors need that. He's like the quarterback on defense.
He's telling everybody, everybody where to go on both sides
of the floor. The way he pushes the temple. That's
one of the biggest things for me about his game
that really affects the game so positively for the Wars,
because the Wars want to play up and down, they
(11:17):
want to get out in transition, and the Warriors in
transition they're so tough to stop because they do have
all that firepower, all the shooters, they have with Jordan Pull,
Steph Curry, Clay Thompson. When he pushes it and he
gets into the middle and he's looking for guys on
the perimeter, you get the backdoor cuts. They get that
a lot, at least once or twice a game just
(11:38):
off of his push in transition. That is huge for
this Warrior team. So him pushing it, and then I
think when he's more aggressive looking to score more, do
we lose you We're good? Yeah, we're good. Okay. When
he's more aggressive looking to score more, I think the
(11:59):
Warriors are even more dangerous because he's gonna get those
looks from three point range. Guys are gonna sag off
of him, and one thing maybe the casual fenders to see, yeah,
when they're sagging off the Draymond, that kind of works
in the Wars advantage because Draymond doesn't have to shoot
the ball every single time. He'll maybe take a few
of those threes and he feels like he's a better
shooter in the postseason. But when teams sack off of him,
(12:21):
he can give that handoff to Staff or Clay or
Jordan Poole and they come off there with more space
because his defender is so far away already. He creates
space for guys to get their shot off and again
the wars with their shot selection and get to that
in between game. You don't have to come off there
and shoot the three, especially when that defender you're original
about the defender is fighting over the top of that
and trying to bother you from behind. If you could
(12:43):
just get a little close to the basket, get to
that in between floater, mid range jumper in the pocket
instead of going all the way to the rim. You
don't have to go all the way a rim. If
you can't get to the rim, that's great. But Draymond
is kind of the initiative initiator of all that. And
then his fake handoffs. This guy should teach a clinic
on fake handoffs. Sometimes we call him naked handoffs, where
(13:04):
he acts like he's gonna give it to Staff or
Clay or Jordan Poole. Then he fakes it. His defender
jumps to the shooter and he's going to the basket.
And he's such a great decision maker. You make that
next defender have to come over commit to him, and
he's able to throw the law. That's why I want
to see someone like Comena in there. Comena walks the
skies like if you put him in the short corner,
(13:25):
especially with GP two out, which I hate that. He's
another great story for this team. Put Comena in there
in the short corner and let his defender come off
of him and see what happens. And again in San Francisco,
the crowd's gonna go crazy. That's a momentum thing when
Comena dunks the ball. But that's Draymond. Draymond, you can
put him in so many different positions and he's such
a great decision maker. He's gonna make something good of
(13:48):
all of that. John Morant is a very flashy player.
He's one hundred and seventy four pounds. It's very Derek Rose.
To me, the great players in this sport, from Kareem
to Lebron to Michael it's a sustainable style. It's a
sustainable body. It's the difference between Walter Payton. The greatest
running back I ever saw play was Walter Payton, who
played for like thirteen years, and Ezekiel Elliott or Todd Gurley,
(14:10):
who are remarkable, but after about four I feel like
they're you know, they're they're eroding as a player. Is
that sustainability is the key to superstardom? Can you be
around for fifteen years? The Bradys, the Michaels, the Kobe's
And I look at John, I'm like, he's one hundred
and seventy four pounds. He finishes at the rim in
the forest with the trees a lot. It's a flashy style.
(14:32):
So as he's scoring sometimes it is a it's a
little humiliating the way he scores on people, And I
think to myself, I don't know if this is sustainable.
Guys are going to come after him. I love him.
He's exhilarating, but can you do this for ten years? Like?
Can that style last for ten years? It'll be tough.
(14:53):
He's definitely got to take care of his body, make
sure he's on a strict diet and taking care of
the massages, all the different things, the new age technology,
therapy treatments to make sure he can perform at his
best and get his body ready. But I think he's
gonna have to become a more consistent three point shooter.
(15:14):
And he's shooting well yeah, so far in this series.
He hit five threes last night, which is why I
felt like, Okay, you got a double tee this guy,
because if he's making his jump shot, you're gap at him,
which is the right way to guard him right now,
because you'd rather have him shooting threes than going at
your head time and time again. But if he's making
(15:34):
his three ball, the guy's on guarding. He's too quick,
he's too explosive. He's got that quick, quick twitch thing,
and he's got too many moves, the spin moves, besides says,
all those different things to get to his float. He's
got the best floater in the league, which I think
is a really good tool for him instead of always
trying to attack the basket all the way and jump
into people and taking all that punishment. So I think
(15:56):
the fact that he has a great floater is a
wonderful weapon for him. But I think he's gonna have
to be a more consistent shooter long term and be
able to rely on that more and not have to
go in there and put his body on the line
because he takes them hard falls exact that he's just
pounding on his knees every single night, the way he jumps,
how athletic he is, He's fallen hard, and I feel
(16:18):
like it was in Game one he came up kind
of gimpy, fell on his back. So you don't want
to keep taking that for ten years, like you say,
But again you talked about Derek Rows. I think of
the same thing. A lot of that too, depends on
how good I don't want to say your bone structure
(16:38):
is your knees are, like how you're built, like some
guys have higher kneecaps, like I was born with vatela alta,
so that didn't help me when it comes to being
a jumper. Some guys have chronic tendonnitis, and if if
you have that, I'd love to know how good his
knees are, if he's ever had the knee issues or
Votela tendon nitis, chronic tendannitis in his career where he's
(16:59):
having to take pills or anything like that, if that's okay,
and if he's built like a Lebron where his knees
are perfect, then he can jump like crazy for a
long time and years and years and years that I
think he'll maybe last a little longer and hopefully we
don't see him get injured because I love him too.
He's one of my favorite players of watch, and I
want him to stay healthy as long as possible. But
(17:20):
I think again, he's got to get to the point
where he is a consistent three point shooter, consistent mid
range shooter, where he can rely on that a little
more and not have to take so much punishment every
single night. Colin adds great finally getting to talk to you.
He's in the Bay Area. NBC Sports Bay Arey Talking
Warriors alongside Bob Fitzgerald. Have great broadcasting teams all through
(17:40):
the Bay Area. Tommy Tilbert time to time jumps on
our show as well. It's great seeing you, great meeting you,
and good luck to you. Yeah, great talking to Colin.
Thanks for having me. Thank you here, you bet. But
you know, we were talking about sustainability. One of the
only athletes, you know, I've always said, there's only one
athlete in my little in the history of sports that
I didn't get a seat. Because I did get to
(18:01):
see an old Wilt with the Lakers. He was old
headband Wilton, not moving up the court very fast. But
most of the great athletes, I'm lucky that Tiger was
in my prime. I got to see some of Jack
Nicholas in his prime. I got I got a lot
of good Kareem years, Magic, Michael lebron NFL, I got
Brady and Montana. Oh no, absolutely, I saw him. I
(18:23):
can remember literally. But my point is the only great
athlete I didn't get to see is Sandy Kofax. Colfax
is one of the only athletes of all time. He
had six good years and he's considered the best picture ever.
Like Sandy Kofax was so good. You know, there's the
old joke about you know, you asked great hitters like
Frank Robinson's one of the great hitters in the history
of baseball, and they were asking him one time about
(18:43):
facing Bob Gibson and then facing Denny McClain and all
these guys. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
hit him and hit him. And then they asked him
about Cofax, and Frank Robinson said, yeah, nobody hit nobody
hit Sandy Kofax, Like he was so unbelievable that virtually
every outing could be a no hitter. He was just
I mean, like, you know, as good as Clayton Kershaw
was in his prime, if you'd have made Kershaw twenty
(19:04):
five percent better, but his career only lasted six and
Kershaw his prime was unbelievable, like the curveball was unhittable.
Go to YouTube. But I mean, by and large greatness,
sustainabilities fifty percent of it. There's not a lot of
people we go, oh, he's an all time great with
a seven year career. Some of it is I don't
care if it's broadcasting or baseball. Can you last twenty?
(19:27):
Can you last a long time? So it's very, very hard.
And what was the question you were asking? Oh, I
saw Who'd you say that? I see Ali? Here's how
I Here's what I remember about Muhammad Ali. I've told
this story before. So I grew up in the Pacific Northwest.
There was it's how big Ali was. There was no
social media, there was no cable television when I was
a kid in Seattle. I didn't grow up in Seattle.
(19:48):
Two hours to the beach. There was a show called
JP Patches and it was a morning show. And JP
Patches was a clown and Gertrude and had like characters.
I watched it. Here's how big Muhammadal he was. When
he beat George Foreman in Zire, JP Patches broke into
(20:09):
a show. He turned to Gertrude and said, oh, Muhammadan
because it was like on tape. It was at a
different time. He broke into programming a cartoon show. That's
how big. You didn't have cable, you didn't have the Internet,
like everybody was wanted to know what that fight was.
So I don't know why that memory. I don't know
at the time the fight was. It was in zire,
(20:31):
but I remember watching that show as a little kid
and finding out about that on a on a cartoon show. Yeah,
there's my mahoma. All the story and that it just
I injected it. There was no real point to it,
but I would I've seen a lot of the great athletes, yes,
and and Colfax is the only one I didn't because
his career was earlier and it was very, very brief.
(20:53):
So that's why with John Moran, I don't doubt he's great,
but he was hurt this year. He hits the floor hard.
Remember when Michael Jordan broke into the league, and my
high school basketball coach was James Kahn, and I remember
watching the game or talking about Jordan. He broke into
the league, and he'd said at the time, I remember
him saying this, he goes, you can't hit the floor
(21:13):
at some point, he has got to develop a jump shot.
You cannot just drive to the rim Duncan people, and
he was saying, like he Michael has to because Michael's
when he first came into the league. He was moving
through the Celtics and the Pistons. There was no way
to stop Michael except tackle him. And so when you
could at that point, yeah, I mean, so you're watching
(21:34):
with Dylan Brooks last night. That was every series Michael.
I mean, it was just it was brutal. Lakers, Pistons
go to YouTube, Rambas getting tackled by Lambier Mahorne. It
was brutal. So that's why when I see this stuff
by Dylan Brooks, I'm like, I've seen way worse. I'm
not saying it's appropriate, but you know I've seen way worse.
One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,
(21:55):
seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd
to listen live or on to ma whenever you like
usfl Action continues Friday as the Philadelphia Stars Battle of
Michigan Panthers at ten Eastern on FS one, then Saturday
at seven Eastern on Fox Todd Haley's Tampa Bay Bandits
take on Skip Polts in the Birmingham Stallions. I just
(22:17):
heard JJ Reddick saying nice things about the Draymond Green podcast,
which was exclusively on the volume. Listen to that company's
very good. One of the reasons Draymond can be outspoken
is because he's really talented. Yes, one of the reasons
Aaron Rodgers can be a pain in the rear is
(22:39):
because he's really talented. So I was thinking about this,
so I saw this story this morning. Joe. The Browns
do not want to pay any portion of Baker's salary.
That is what Diana Russini, a fine reporter, said on
Ryan Rissilo's podcast. They don't want to pay a penny
of it. And Diana said, no team wants him. It's interesting.
(23:04):
Remember you and I had the big battle about Sam
Darnold Baker. I like Sam bigger, stronger athlete better. You know,
he was a better basketball player in high school. He's
a linebacker, and I thought he was a good kid, humble,
gracious kid. Baker I thought was talented, threw a little
better ball, better release, a little too snarky, little too
much attitude. Here's what's interesting, and these are very divergent decisions.
(23:30):
Sam Darnold got a second team to give him a chance.
In fact, Carolina was willing to pay him a ton
and give up three picks. Baker cannot find a second gig,
and that is the difference. Baker blew a great opportunity,
Nit Chubb, Op j Jarvis Landry, David and Joku, Kevin Stefanski, Miles, Garrett,
(23:57):
John Johnson, the hell ninety percent on the quarterbacks in
this league don't get that opportunity. Offensive coach, best owned line,
unbelievable running backs, Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb, David and Doku,
Jen Joku and Austin Hooper, O b j and Jarvis,
Landry and Donovan People's jones who I like? He blew it.
(24:18):
Sam Darnold's different. He's just not talented enough to overcome
the Jets mess or Caroline is lousy roster. That's a
big difference. And I've come to terms. Sam's just not
talented enough. He's not Mahomes, he's not Josh Allen, he's
not Lamar Jackson, he's not Justin Herbert. He's not gifted
enough to overcome bad rosters, but he didn't blow it.
(24:43):
Baker's different, and the NFL likes Sam Darnold. They root
for Sam Darnold. My buddies in the league all want
him to succeed. They really like him. He's Biggi's athletic.
He's just got a quirky release and cognitively, Sam, let's
go of about two passes a game. I'm just sringing.
But that's the difference, is that Aaron is so gifted,
(25:06):
so gifted, Draymond is so gifted. They're so unique unicorns
that they're allowed to have a little attitude, or be outspoken,
or do things that make management a little uncomfortable, sometimes
a lot uncomfortable. But of you and me and the
rest of America, isn't that talented? So lose the snark
(25:30):
tough guy on Twitter. You ain't that just the dude?
And that was always my knock on Baker. He's not
a bad guy and Emily are probably wonderful people, but
he's not talented enough to be snarky. He's not talented
enough to become bat of every press conference. He's not.
(25:52):
That's the difference. Sam Darnold's just not talented enough to
overcome junk. Another guy blew a rate opportunity and everybody
in the league saw it, and Cleveland saw it, and
that's why they don't want to pay any of a
salary like way we gave him that that blew up
(26:14):
and the Jets almost felt guilty with Sam. It was like, hey, yeah, ye,
I mean Carolina, all these rumors they're gonna get Baker,
they didn't, And they like Sam. They want Sam to work.
Roster's not very good. And he's not Josh Allen. He's
not Lamari, he's not Justin. He's not Kyler Murray. Difference
(26:35):
between the two. Be nice. It goes a long way.
Don't agitate, lubricate, it goes a long way. Joy with
the news. No, no, this is the herd line news. Look,
I we thought might be going to Carolina. That didn't
was Malik Willis. He is with the Titans selected in
the third round of the drafts, which to some people
(26:58):
feel Mike be adding a little competition for ryan' Tannehill
in the quarterback room. Well eventually for sure, yes, Well,
he said he has no problem with the move, and
he even texted Willis after he was drafted. But he
also doesn't think it is his responsibility to develop Malik Willis.
We're competing against each other. We're you know, watching the
same tape, we're doing the same drills. I don't think
(27:19):
it's my job to mentor him. But you know, if
he learns from me along the way, then then that's
a great thing. Yes, Now, I know there's a lot
of outrage about this outrageous joy so selfish, I will
say this. As a quarterback, I do see where he's
coming from. It's a very specific job. It's a very
(27:42):
specific room. I always say, if you have more than
one quarterback, you have no quarterback. So that's a job
that you really need to be a dominant and have
your feet on the grounds. And now I know this
isn't warm and fuzzy what he said, but I'm sure
he also feels a lot of pressure. Like they lost
to the Bengals at home. As a number one off
(28:04):
a Bye played them right and they sacked Joe Burrow
nine times. He couldn't put it on the defense, Anna Hill.
He was fifteen twenty four three interceptions. Yes, he blew it.
So the pressure is on Ryan Sannahill. So now I
bring up an interesting point though I didn't think about this,
but this is interesting the way you say it, because
(28:25):
you made a position specific. If you are a linebacker
and there's nine on the team and you're a veteran linebacker,
would I be more inclined to go listen, they can
move me when I slowed down, they can move me
to the middle. I'm outside. If I was a receiver,
by the way, yeah, and I'm a perimeter receiver and
you're a slot receiver. You're not taking my job and
(28:46):
I'm not taking yours. Would I feel differently helping develop
I think I would. That's an interesting point. I think
I would. I think threat what your job is, and
especially if you are a veteran who has a multi
year deal, it kind of is your job to help
develop rookies. Like if you want to put together a team,
you have an X receiver, a wire receiver, there's a
(29:06):
lot of different receiving elements. One quarterback. There's one quarterback
that told also probably put the kicker. In this situation,
you d have the kicker. You're on your own, kid.
You gotta figure it out, that's right. So now, generally
if they do drafts a kicker, they'll they'll start right away.
That's just not how that position goes. But yeah, I
think for the quarterback position only now people are gonna
(29:27):
like Ryan Tannehill saying this because you know, they want
him to say that he's gonna do everything he can
to you know how maliqu will has become the best
quarterback he can be. But that would be disingenuous if
Ryan Tannhill he's not going to do that. No one's
saying that he I don't think Ryan Tannehill's the type
of person is going to sabotage Maliq Willes. And that's
not what he's saying. He saying if he learns to me, great,
but this is my job. Yeah, I think the quarterback
position is different than every other position in the league.
(29:49):
And then it's similar with jobs. Like I'm I'm happy
to be a mentor to people. I don't what's it
to me? It's not it's not changing my position. So
but we're not quarterbacks. There's there's not one of us,
like there's multiple other opportunities if something changes, so that
changes how people look at things when it comes to competition.
So and look, people have a lot of questions about
(30:10):
Ryan Tannehill. That's why Malik Wills is there, and it's fair.
He blew it in the in the playoffs, in the
biggest moment as the number one seed, he threw three interceptions.
Yeah it wasn't on the defense sacking Joe Burrow nine times.
So it's a fair situation. So Daymond Green was back
in the lineup last night after his objection in Game one,
in the first quarter, he got elbowed in the face
and Grizzlies fans booed him. When he went to the
(30:32):
locker room, he flipped the crowd off, clutch your pearls
as you have to go get stitches, And after the
game he spoke about why he reacted that way. You're
gonna bloo someone to get elbowed in the eye and
blood running out of your face. I could have had
a concussion or anything. So if they're gonna if they're
gonna be that nasty, I can be nasty too. And
(30:53):
I'm assuming the cheers was because they knew I'll get fine. Great.
I made twenty five million dollars a year, should be
just far. Look, we have to have villains in sports.
I don't even think he's that much of a villain.
I don't think he is either. But I mean, if
you are playing against Draymond Green and you are gonna
get talk about Ryan's yelling at me, you think he's
a villain. Colin, I know you have a soft spot
(31:15):
um for a very obvious reason for you, he's a villain.
I think anyone who is not a Warriors fan looks
at Draymond Green as a villain. Yeah, I'm saying I
think if you're playing Draymond Green, I don't think Draymond
is a bad guy. I don't think that he is
even kind of intentionally a villain. I think it's his
personality just lends to this and he has had to
(31:35):
play that role with this team, so he leans into
it and if it's imperfectly. But yeah, if you're playing
against Draymond Green, you do not like Draymond Green. So
I don't think he's a villain because I think first
of all, people turn into his podcast because they like him.
He's a likable villain. But well, Bill Lamber tackled people
he was a villain. There's a difference between being a
mean guy or a bad guy and being a villain.
(31:58):
So he's a villain so he's to have I'm redeeming qualities. Yeah,
so you're he's a wrestling heel. He's likable, but he's
leaning into it. Okay, he's also good, which is to
your point about everything you just said about Baker. When
you're a champion, when you're the obvious soul of the team,
then you get to beat a different status and you
can do things like this. Everybody can't do that. You're
(32:19):
not going to come across this. I don't. I don't.
I find him incredibly likable. Yeah. I like Draymond too,
but if Draymond's playing my team, I don't like Draymond.
I don't think people think he's like a genuinely bad person.
He's a great guy. But right, from two different things, right,
but from a basketball fan perspective, when people watch him play,
they go, I don't like that guy. Really? Yeah, definitely,
(32:44):
that's like that's what happened in Memphis last night. Like
they're this is a this is a likable organization. They're fun,
they're young, like they've you know, talk a little bit
trash to somebody's nobody sensitive there. If you've ever seen
it's funny, if you've ever seen Draymond in person. I
saw him to fight. He is the most gregarious athlete.
He's like all fun. He's a tough but he's tough.
(33:05):
He listen, he's he got second round, he got a
chip on his shoulder and he I I'm with you,
and I like Draymond, But if Jaymond plays my team,
I don't like Draymond. So I thought I thought Bill
Lambier was totally unlikable, right, because you have to have
some redeeming qualities to you as well. You can't just
be a you can't just be angry all the time.
(33:25):
Draymond's tough, and he's an enforcer, and he's a little
bit you know of a heel, but he's also happy
and a winner. So all those things together. But yes,
when you're playing Draymond, you don't like him, and he
knows that. That's what That's why that happened last night.
Maybe if Bill Lambier at a podcast, I would have
liked him more. The problem with Bill born too soon.
So the NIL has been a controversial topic of the
(33:47):
last few months. A task force those usually go really well.
It's reportedly forming to review the guidelines going forward. Okay,
like your pins or something. It's like think tanks. We're
going to contemplate the future of the economy. Just do stuff,
buy stock, sell them you like fanny packs with the
(34:09):
fat task wars we're going off. Just think about are
good people. We've tracked the tasks and Butts was asked
what he thinks about the current landscape of college sports
in general, and he did not hold back. The bottom line,
you know, be careful what you wish for. Totally different
than what we've been used to. My opinion, you know,
(34:29):
we need a new leadership group from AFAR. It looks
like right now nobody has control of anything. So it's
just have at it, you know, And that's I don't
know if that's ever good. Even the NFL has some rules, restrictions, guidelines, yes,
salary caps, He's right, all of that. Yeah, I don't
know right now college football has any of that. So
(34:50):
it's have at it. You know. I do agree with
Bob there you gotta set up. There's gotta be something
you just can't beat. No, I don't disagree. I just hear,
what are the what are the guidelines? I got a
question for you. I'm gonna throw this out. This is
really something I shouldn't talk about but I called somebody
at USC and said, I like that receiver. Can I
buy him? Is that an ethical? I think, Well, you're
(35:12):
not a booster of the school? Well kind of. Well,
you know, you either are a booster at the school
or you're not. Well, I'm doing them every day, I
talk about them favorably. I'm booster. That's not a booster
means well, I am a different kind of booster. I'm
a social booster. Well, they haven't quantified that yet. But
unless you give to from why understanding, if you give
to a school, if you donate money to school, then
(35:33):
you are a booster. There's a lot of different boosters.
Even with COVID, there's a Johnson and Johnson, there's a
there's a lot of different boosters. Stand up bits. Now
the bottom line, you said it earlier. I'm zero, absolutely
zero sympathy whatsoever for the NCAA. This was a freight
trained downhill from the moment YouTube was invented. And if
(35:54):
you didn't bother to make any plans whatsoever, that's on you. Also,
you it's a billion all our business and you have
no one in charge. There is no CEO, there is
no you know why the NFL is able to put
put in these rules and stuff. They have a commissioner,
someone who makes those decisions. This was essentially you're done
skiing for the day and you're down at the base
(36:16):
having a beer with a buddy, and you see an
avalanche at the top and you got six minutes and
you're like, I'm gonna finish this bud light instead of
going it's getting our car and get the hell out
of here. This thing was coming down the hill at
least getting paid ignored for seven years, they, I would
argue much longer than that. The moment that people were
able to to make money off of their likeness on
(36:39):
the Internet and build a following before they ever stepped
foots on anyone's campus, it was a done deal. You
can't tell some some basketball player who goes to school
with one hundred thousand followers on Instagram that can monetize
that that they can't use their image and likeness. Who
are you? I could go to any school in the
country with all with my my base of fans. You
(37:01):
can't tell me I can't use this, And they just
chose to ignore it. So I absolutely no sympathy for them.
At all joy with the news. Well that's the news
and thanks for stopping by. The Herd line laid back
in a minute The Herd. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Hey,
(37:22):
I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball. We
usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more
about the stories about what made these people love their
sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We
talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell you stories.
You download it, you listen to it. I think you'll
like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on
(37:45):
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or ever you get your podcast. Guys,
we're getting old or doesn't mean we have to slow down.
There's m Drive supplements for driven men. Go to m
drive forman dot com free shipping. Don't slow down, get
m D if they have M drive Lean, which is
a protein powder which is great. So by the way,
big announcement to mate. Officially, Herdburger is the official sponsor
(38:08):
of USC football and will now be connected to name image,
likeness compensation. I was just told that would be legal
me just I don't know. I'm not a I am
not a lawyer. I'm not a doctor until Monday. I'll
be a doctor on Monday. Why is that I'm getting
an honorary doctor from Barry University? Whoa right? You're getting
an honor I thought I thought they gave masters out.
(38:30):
You get a doctor doctorate. Oh my gosh, it's very
exciting that is. Are you given the commencement speech? Am
on Monday? On Friday? I'm getting it so Monday when
I come in. So I'm gone. Next doctor Roy Taylor. Wow,
doctor Joy Taylor. That is unbelievable. That sounds so it's
it's sounds so it's fair. Is it fair to introduce
(38:50):
myself as doctor Joy Taylor? After? Absolutely? And I think
so too. At think's totally available. It's totally on the board. Yeah,
do you have to wear a white jacket like my
dad did growing up? Well? No, so I'm not a
medical doctor. It's a doctor of humanities, but you can
be a doctor of education. You have to be a
doctor of psychology by vocals. Well, I have glasses already,
(39:11):
so all right, that's amazing. Yeah, it's exciting. I don't
have a lot of doctor friends. This will be a
new life for me. It's very exciting. How about that.
I don't know what I want to talk about here
because I got some stuff I don't want to give
away in Rasillo's next hour. The name image, likeness, stuff
is fun. I have friends up in Seattle, and the
University of Washington's like not going to do it. They're
(39:31):
just like, we're not going to get into bidding wars
for players. My whole theory on this has been a
lot of things are new in America and they become
wild wild West without the right regulations. Drones were privacy
concerns when drones came out. They're sneaking and looking at stuff,
and then and fts and bitcoin and n I l
anytime there's new stuff and there's money to be made
in it, it gets it's got to be regulated. And
(39:52):
there's always this process stars as just an agregious amount
of panics surrounding it and how the world's going to end,
and it's like, no, and figure it out immediately, and
we knew, you know, people are saying this is not sustainable.
I don't think of cryptocurrencies sustainable. Our government will at
some point create one and blow the rest of these
out of the water. So in the end, ninety nine
(40:14):
percent of stuff that it just depends do you like
it like Bitcoin is a great example. Bitcoin attracts what
they call tech optimists, people who believe tech is everything
and it'll solve all the world's problems, and yet most
of us still like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and
to hang out with our dogs. Is that most of
us have simple pleasures and are not tech spend galleys
(40:34):
or gurus. And so I think a lot of this bitcoin,
a lot of cryptocurrencies nonsense. But that doesn't mean Mark
Cuban and Elon Musk aren't into it because they're tech optimists,
because they become billionaires with tech and being ahead of
the curve. And so there's a lot of stuff out
there that's just not right. Cryptocurrencies not regulated enough, and
fts are just ripping people off left and right, and
(40:56):
this thing's a mess. But then people step in and
try to put some guardrails up and we'll be fine.
You knew this thing wasn't gonna last forever, because there
are some stories out here that are just comical where
there's it's but also the money isn't gonna last either.
It's right, these boosters are not just going to shell
out millions and millions and millions of dollars if they're
not winning championships. That's gonna get cut off. What you
(41:19):
paid three million dollars for someone and they did win
a championship, what was the point of that? Herdburger, I
buy a tight end. I want four touchdowns a game
or I'm out. Our three is coming up next.
Hosts And Creators
Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Therapy Gecko
An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.