August 21, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin updates his NFL predictions for the upcoming season with a new playoff team in the AFC
He doubles down on how impressed he is with Broncos QB Bo Nix
Guest: Albert Breer
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Did you just say labor intensively.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'd been putting up a lot of masonry. My vacations
are masonry, one brick at a time.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I just told one of the producers backstage, hide the
women and children tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I got big take. Oh boy, Kansas City, tis fans
by the way, toward the ship. You're picking on one
of my friends in this business. I got a bunch
of texts on that. That was a beltic story. Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
People are worked up about that. I thought I was
just a flippant comment. I mean, that's what we do.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You know we're in the flippant business.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I didn't realize it was that hot.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay, So I'm gonna I get two more. This is
gonna be one. I get two more opportunities before the
season starts. I'm gonna do one on the Thursday, before
the opening NFL game. I'm gonna do one. Now is
that I've watched the preseason, I'm reading, like you everything,
and I'm gonna give you a sense of where I
feel with my playoffs. So I've made a couple of changes,
couple of minor changes, but they're changes, and I'll give
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you the reason why. So let's start with the AFC.
I still feel it's Bills, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots. I know
more about the Dolphins than I do the Jets. I
know they'll be wildly productive on offense. Offense is gary over.
If you don't make big wholesale change. Is a good
offense one year, is a good offense the next year.
It's not the same for defense. Jets. Hassan Redick's not
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in camp. Hoff's gone a lot of noise. I think
it's Bill's Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, AFC North. I don't know
if there's a great team. I'm out on the Steelers.
Brown's ownership quarterback scares me. It's Ravens Bengals. I may
revisit this. I'm gonna go listen Lamar Jackson's health. I
trust him to be healthy by week seventeen, even though
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he's had injuries more than Joe Burrow. But if Joe
Burrow is upright for the entire season, Cincinnati may win
this division. AFC South. I feel really good about my
pick now. I really like the Texans. I like everything
about what they're doing. Jaguars best roster. I believe Trevor
Lawrence has had and he is healthy. I still don't
know if Anthony Richardson's style last in this league. Titans
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I don't think are very good. AFC West. Here's the thing,
Kansas City should be better at wide receiver. The Chargers
worry me now because Denver, I think, is better faster
with bow Nicks than I thought, and I thought it
was gonna work. I'm a little worried about Justin Herbert.
I got Jmack in my ear. So my division winners
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in the AFC remain the Bills, Ravens, Texans, Chiefs. But
I'm gonna move the Dolphins into the playoffs and the
Chargers out because the Dolphins give me things. I know,
Tua Waddle, Tyreek, Mike McDaniel, those running backs. Remember, Great
offenses carry over year to year. Great defenses don't. There's
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just too many unknowns now with the Chargers, Herbert's health,
their receiving corps, I just don't know. And so I'm
going to have for the time being Chargers last team out.
Dolphins are in in the NFC. I've told you Eagles, Commanders, Cowboys, Giants.
I think Dallas misses the playoff. I think the Commanders
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are the shock of the league. I'll get to that
in a second. Here's my big change, and it's pretty subtle.
Packers Lions, Bears, Vikings. I'm gonna flip Packers and Lions.
When the Packers played the Lions the second time in
Jordan Love had experience, they beat Detroit. I know the
Lions have a better offensive line, the depth of offensive talent,
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and the coaching and the quarterback mobility of Green Bay
is better. I'm gonna go with a young, ascending team
in my opinion, the better head coach, the better quarterback talent,
and a loaded stack roster of receiver and tight end talent.
Lions still make the playoffs. Bears are gonna be exciting,
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but it's a hell of a division. Vikings the best
fourth place team in the league NFC South. I think
Atlanta's gonna run away with it. I think Atlanta's gonna
win potentially twelve to thirteen games. I really do. I
really like Atlanta. I say that being lighter in the
wallet my entire adult life on Falcons games. Bucks are good,
not as good as Atlanta. Panthers are gonna be fun
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to watch, much better at wide receiver. Still, third Saints
will be a mess. I think they're the first team
to fire their coach and in the NFC West. I
said last year, I think they're leaning too much on McCaffrey.
What's the situation on Brandon? I will Trent Williams be ready.
I think the Jets could beat him in Week one.
I think they pull back a little. I think they
have peaked physically. They'll be good, they won't be as
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special Seahawks. I think are interesting, A bit of a
mystery team to me. Arizona four. So in the division
winner category Eagles, Packers, Falcons, Rams, Lions, Commanders, Niners of
the wild card teams, I'm just gonna take a little
younger team in green Bay. I like everything about where
Green Bay is going right now. I also think they
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have a history of winning, and I think Detroit doesn't.
And now Detroit's got from Detroit's gone from the hunter
to the hunted, and I'm not sure how they're going
to deal with that. They've never been that now, even
last year they were the hunter. Now the Lions are
the hunted. All right, Jay mc subtle moves.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I'm worried about you, Colin.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You're going on vacation and you're making crazy out of
pocket bix here in the end of what no Jets
in the playoffs, Packers.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Winning the division? Oh dear, oh, all right, let's go
to my buddy Albert Breer Monday morning. I just feel
like I know what I get with Miami. There's too
many questions with the Jets. By the way, you've been
the Jets training camp. Listen, if Aaron Rodgers is in
your camp, it's different. It's New York, it's different. Does
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the Jets camp Albert to you, does it feel different?
And if so, why th another camps?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
It does because I think there's a real effort to
tamp down all the hype. And I think last year,
if you went to their camp, it was a show,
you know, like Hard Knocks is there. I mean the
way the crowd was watching practice was almost game like,
and the players were hyper aware of all of the
eyes on them. And I think there's been just a
very serious effort there to fly as far into the
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radar as they possibly can, which is impossible when you're
the Jets, when you're in New York, when Aaron Rodgers
is your quarterback. But they're doing the best they can
to manage the hype better than they did last year.
Here's the other thing. They think they're going to be really,
really good. There's a quiet confidence that building that I
think built in the spring has spilled over into the summer.
And a huge part of that Colin like, I think
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you know the team where I am right now is Bucks.
Like I think they think they're sort of where the
Bucks were in twenty twenty with Tom Brady and the
main reason why and something a lot of fans don't
think about is how good they are at the lines
of scrimmage. They have seven former first round picks playing
defensive line for them, so they were good in that
area last year. They have a chance to be even
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better and deeper in that area this year. And what
they have that they didn't have last year is a
really solid offensive line. They feel like they've got five
NFL tackles. They've got Olufashan who backing up Tyron Smith
and Morgan Moses. They feel good about what they've got
in the interior. They almost went overboard on the offensive line,
and with that, combined with the backfield that they have
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with Breace Hall and a couple of rookies Braylen Allen
from Wisconsin who's going to be really good, Isaiah Davis
their fifth round pick. Part of this is like exactly
what Tampa had, which is the Buccaneers didn't need to
ask the world of Tom Brady. Now he gave them
the world. They didn't need on a week to week
basis to ask the world of him, which I think
allowed Tom Brady to be at his very best. And
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I think the Jets feel like they can do the
exact same thing for Aaron Rodgers this year.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So the Pittsburgh offensive line, it's a bit musical chairs,
but it's a disaster with two mobile quarterbacks. There were
four sacks and ten quarterback hits. And it's also a
unit that Mike Tomlin's team they get almost everything right.
On the defensive side, they draft and develop, well, they
can't get they can't get OC and O line right.
And I look at that thing and I'm like, is
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this so? Is it this bad because of the musical
chairs and injuries or do you look at this team
and think in the AFC they could be they could
be very early.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I think they have OC right, Like I do think
that that Arthur Smith is the right guy. I think
he's an identity fit for what Mike Tomlin's always wanted
out of his offense. Complex, hard for a defense to
deal with, you know, and and with a really strong
run game. So I think Arthur Smith's going to give
Mike Tomlin what he wants. Schematically, the question is the personnel.
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Like you said, they're gonna need a bunch of high
draft picks to come around for them, and that means
Zach Frasier playing center for them now, and that means
Broderick Jones, the first round pick from a year ago,
coming around, and Troy Fittanu, who is going to be
an excellent player, but you got to figure out what
the best position is for him. Is he a tackles,
he guards, he right tackles, he left tackle. So they've
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been sorting through all of that. There's talent upfront, but
you're sorting through that, and then you know, I think
they telegraphed that they have an issue at receiver by
being right square in the middle of the Brandon Ayuk mix.
So you've got all of that. Then you get the
quarterback situation, which this is a huge week because Russell
Wilson is finally, you know, out there practicing without restriction.
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So it's a big week for Russell Wilson. It's a
big week for justin Fields. And this is why they've
been playing their starters so deep into the preseason games.
They're trying to work out things now so they won't
have to work them out in September. The problem for them,
you know, just from a perception standpoint, is because they're
doing it this way and because they're playing guys so
deep into the preseason games, we get to see all
of the wards.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Listen, Brian Flores. To me, he's too good of a
coach not to get a second chance. I like the
fact that he owned it. I think there's a democratic
over autocratic way to coach in the NFL, more McVeigh
than Belichickian. But I thought it was interesting that Tua
came out because he's a really nice kid, and he's
not really terribly outspoken, and for him to come out
and just say, listen, that was awful. He was a
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terrible person. Yeah, I wonder how that landed. In mind,
it didn't bother me. I kind of appreciate the kid.
I wonder how that landed. It kind of surprised me
that it came out with a big left hook.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah. I think you know what's interesting about it is
I do think it gave Flores a chance to come
out and talk about how he's grown from the experience,
and you know, I think from that perspective, like Brian
Flora is gonna have a shot to be a head
coach again. I mean, he won nineteen games in two
years there, Like they weren't like objectively bad. He did
a lot of good things there. And you know, help
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set the table in certain ways for what Mike McDaniel
has been able to do. I think, as much as
anything else, it's a reflection of the way guys expect
to be coached in this era. I mean, remember, this
is a quarterback who played for Nick Saban, you know,
for three years at Alabama, So it's not like he
was coming from some soft program, right, And you know,
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I just think sometimes there's this expectation that you're going
to be coached a certain way, and when you're not,
and then the results don't follow, that's where the problems,
you know, can manifest. And so like I think, as
much as anything else, this is sort of a generational thing.
I do think Flores has learned from it. And you know,
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I don't think it's about how hard he was coached,
because Mike McDaniel coaches his guys hard, But Mike McDaniel
also lets his guys know how much he cares about them.
He's he's positive, and the in the tone that he
strikes on a day to day basis, and there's just
a very different feel to it, you know. I think
in a lot of ways I look at it like
sort of like the Pete Carroll Bill Belichick argument. A
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lot of people thought like those two guys were very different. Well,
you know, I've talked to guys who coached for both
who say they're actually, you know, largely the same. It's
just packaged very differently. And so I think Mike McDaniel's
asking a lot of the same things and is as
demanding in some ways as Brian Flores was. It's just
packaged a lot different. And I think, you know, these
comments sort of reflect generation, you know, for that generation,
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just sort of how important the packaging can be.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Sean Payton sent me a text or two and he
knew how he was fascinated with Bownecks, and I kept
talking about it, so I would prod and proden. He
sent me a couple of texts He's like pretty early,
you know, he would say, we got a good we
got one, Yeah, we got one. I don't think there's
any question.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I know it's preseason, but cognitively, mobility and accuracy Albert
that's a franchise quarterback. I don't care that it's preseason.
I mean, I'm seeing first of all, I saw him
twice live. He's much more athletic than anybody gives him
credit for much more athletic. He can move, he's fine, which,
by the way, Breeze was early in his career too.
Drew could move early in his career, he just didn't later.
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I don't know. I watched bon Nicks. I said this,
People thought it was a hot take. I said, Caleb
defensive coach Jaden defensive coach, Drake May, defensive coach JJ
McCarthy won't play. I would not be shocked year one
if bone Nicks we come out. I'm not saying career
year one we go that was the best rookie quarterback.
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Does that sound crazy?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I think Caleb will be just because of the infrastructure
around him and the talent around him. That's it. I
don't think you're off base, you know. I think you
need boil it down to a simpler thing, right, Like
he's been in there for seven possessions, Colin. One of
those possessions there was a fumbled snap and they turned
the ball over. On all six of the other possessions,
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they scored points, and he led a seventy five yard
drive in the two minute drill. And so what he's
showing is when they're in there, when he's in there.
They moved the ball, which is a massive, massive part
of all of this, you know, And so I think
you're right, like, and he should be ready to go.
This is a guy who started sixty one games in college.
I didn't misspeak there at sixty one games, I know, yeah,
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And it was a multi year starter at two different
major conference programs, and so like, I think it would
almost be alarming if he wasn't ready, And he's shown
himself to be a little bit more than that. And
I remember hearing the stories about Peyton being on the ground,
you know, in Eugene when they went to work him out,
and how when Peyton sized him up, he was bigger
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in the lower half than he thought he'd be. The
way the ball came out of his hands was a
little bit different than he thought it would And really
like that was sort of what's sold him and those
physical traits, I think is what where the scrutiny is
going to come over the next few years. In other words,
I think there's there should be an expectation, a high
expectation for where bon Nicks is in year one and
year two. The bigger question that we're not going to
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be able to answer for a while is where is
he in year four and year five? Will he be
able to level up where he can be a fifty
or sixty million dollar quarterback. That's going to be unanswered
for a little while, I think, but I'd expect that
he'll be very ready to go, and I think he'll
be their week one starter.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
So I'm going to throw this at you and you
would know it better than anybody. So Carson Beck is
going to be the number one pick next year from
Georgia six four to two twenty. He's a really good prospect.
Drake May was always a solid prospect, maybe a poor
man's Herbert, but he wasn't a Caleb Carson Beck. If
he has another big year for Georgia, which I suspect
he will, he's going to come out as a dominant one.
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And I was talking to j Mac yesterday and I said,
there's an argument, just play Drake May, see what you
got and see what you don't. You know, you play
him four games at the end of the year and
Carson Beck's there, you may be passing on a generational player.
Arizona moved off a guy and it worked like there's
And I didn't think this to start the year, But
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I'm like, I want to know what I have. I mean,
justin Herbert was running for his life and broke rookie records,
I want to know what I Couldn't you argue the
Carson Beck factor to just play him and see what
you have.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
So I think you have to wait. And I'm in
that camp, like I love to see him play. What
they'd done over the course of the preseason and sequenced
him right. So the idea was to get his feet
what in that first game. They didn't want him out
there behind the second offensive line. They know they've got
a depth issue in that area, So get him out there,
get his feet, We get him out of the game.
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Then take him and put him in an adverse situation
in the joint practicingast the Eagles, who are much better
on the defensive line than the Patriots are the offensive line.
Have him take some lumps there, and then come back
in the preseason game and play him extended snaps and
get him to build some confidence, which they were able
to do. The reason they're being so detailed about a
lot of this stuff. I mean, he may be the
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most raw of the six quarterbacks coming out like just
as far as like what he brings to the table. Physically,
he's outstanding, big arm, great athlete, could have been a
Division one basketball player, all that different stuff. He needed
a lot of work mechanically, and what they found and
they got him was that he had almost zero footwork training.
So they were working from the ground up, and so
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they want to be in a place where what they've
taught him has really started to become habit for him,
which is a whole ten thousand reps thing, right, And
the worst thing he can do is put a guy
out there while he's still learning it and get him
knocked around. And right now, I don't think they're good
enough on offense around the quarterback to risk it. In
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other words, you're gonna if you put Jacoby Prisett in
there and knocked around a little bit like no harm,
no foul, Drake May, you could screw up a lot
of the progress. And there has been a lot of
progress that you've made over the last four months. So
I think he's gonna sit to start the season. I
think the hope would be to get in some action
a little bit later in the year, and you're gonna
be making your judgments based on how he looks in
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practice and maybe how he looks in a few games
at the end of the year, and look like, if
Carson Beck has the kind of season that you're talking about,
then you have a hard decision to make. But I
think right now the idea is to prioritize the development
of Drake May first and four months.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So I made my NFL predictions before you. I took
the Dolphins because historically in this league, great offenses they
play the next year. If you have a great offense
and you bring back the personnel, defenses get hurt more.
I mean, you can have a great defense, you lose
a coordinator. You know, it's different, and so I don't
know what the Jets provide, but all you know, these
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are my teams. So just just you know, not to
put you in a spot to react to. Well, I
do think Washington's my shocking team. Is there anybody here?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, I want to talk about them.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
There's gonna be a surprise though, So I give you
credit for doing that. That's a good duy.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Okay, tell me who your surprise would be in the league.
Who's going to be the Houston.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
The Colts, wouldn't shock me if they were better than
people think, and then maybe they were the top challenger
in the AFC South. Wow, they won nine games last
year with Gardner Minshew at quarterback. I think Shane stike
In is a great coach, not a good coach, a
great coach. I think a big reason why Jalen Hurts
took a step back last year was because he lost
Shane stike In. And I think if Anthony Richardson can
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stay healthy, they're going to be a real problem. Like,
I think they've got a good balanced team, not that
they're going to win the super Bowl, but they could
be a surprise playoff team. I also look at the
two teams in the NFC West, and the reason I'd
pause with them is because I think both the Rams
and Niners are going to be really good. You have
them both in the playoffs. But both the Seahawks and
the Cardinals have a really strong base of young players.
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So and there's volume there, right, So with the Seahawks
and the second and third year guys. With the Cardinals'
is the first and second year guys. They also have
pretty good quarterbacks. They also play in the NFC, so
maybe one of those two teams is a surprise team
where you look at it at the end of the
year and you're like, man, that's a balanced roster with
a lot of good young talent. You know, Seattle, it's
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guys like Devin Witherspoon and Jackson Smith and Jigba, Charles Cross,
all the guys they've drafted the last few years, Abe Lucas,
Rik Wolan. And then you know the Arizona, it's the
guys they've brought in over the last couple of years,
Paris Johnson, you know, Marvin Harrison, you know Max Melton.
I think they think it's gonna be an outstanding corner.
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So those two teams I have my eye on is
like you know, when you say Houston, I think of
a team that's gonna have like a lot of young
players turned the corner all at once, Like it happened
not just with CJ last year, it also happened with
guys like Nico Collins and Tankell, Yeah, sort of coming
around Derek Stingley. Right, So those are the two teams
that I look at like there's a lot of good
young players there, and if all of those guys collectively
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take a step, then I'm not seeing they'll challenge the
Rams or the Niners in the NFC West, but they
could wind up sneaking in the playoffs as the six
or seven seed.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Good stuff, Albert, Bear bounce. How many camps you'd been
to now, Albert.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I've seen twenty five teams. Twenty three camps. They cheated
a couple of them, but twenty five teams.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I hope Monday Morning Quarterbacks travel budget is covering all
of that. That's a lot. That's a lot of flights
bouncing around the country.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Good, Senior, But my wife's covering a lot of things too.
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Good seeing a man.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
All right, thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
All right, Colts is interesting because you like the Colts.
There's so much I like about the Colts. I love
the GM, I love the I love I love the coach.
They don't have a huge hole in their roster. But
that's a problem.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
We like a lot of teams. I know that you like.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
At least three or four teams that we like are
gonna stink. But you and I can't find many bad teams.
You elevate in the Broncos. Who's going to be bad
other than the Raiders? Patriots and Raiders.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Well, well, the Patriots are lack of firepower, the Raiders
are lack of star quarterback. I think the Giants could
win seven eight games. Stop, what's they're over under?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
They're not winning. They're not winning seven or eight. Somebody's
got to win three or four games, Colin, who's it
going to be?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
New England? Who else? See, that's the problem we like
to have. Tennessee is not very good. Tennessee's not winning six.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
They get some they got some guys.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, they don't have the guy. So I think I
think New England and Tennessee are going to lose a lot.
You're right, somebody's got to lose games in these conferences.
I think Tennessee loses a lot of games. And I yeah,
Tennessee and the Patriots, and then in the NFC, who's back, boy,
there's no The New York Giants are a They're not good.
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They're not good. That's fair because here's the thing. A
team I think that's going to be feisty. They won't
be a playoff team. But I think Arizona's feisty, so
they're not They're gonna be like an eight to nine ish.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You have Oh you have the Saints is being very bad.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Oh yeah, I have the same. There's got to be
at least two teams in these conference that are winning
four games, because not at you know, not everybody. There's
too many good teams that are gonna win eleven twelve thirteen.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I keep an eye on the Pittsburgh Steelers like five
five winds. That is so somebody's gonna be bad college.
That's how it airs, and somebody's got to not be good.
You can't have everybody winning ten eleven, twelve thirteen games.
I just noticed Chiefs went fourteen and three two years
ago in the down to eleven and six last year.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Is that gonna continue?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
They're gonna trend down.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I think they feel closer to eleven than fourteen. Oh yeah,
Travis Kelcey as great as acting in a movie coming up?
Oh is he even at camp?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I don't. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, seasons. Oh, just make it sure the sare with
Bill Simmons, the guy you always takes shots at, taking shots.
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Speaker 1 (24:01):
By the way, the Giants over under a six and
a half, I'll take the over.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh that's insane.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Let's do a wager right now while you're off kilter.
Go ahead, come on, what do you want it to be?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Anything? Well, it's like I'm just saying, you're giving me
a choice. I'll take seven and ten. I'm not saying
nine to ten. I think the NF NFC is still
weaker than the AFC.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Can you go over six and a half. I'll go
under six and a half. Why don't we bet a
pair of a pair of a pair of Jordans.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I don't wear Jordan's I do. I'm not gonna do shoes.
I do food and vacation a week in Maui or
something like that. A week in Maui. Oh, giants, don't
let me down. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
No turn, this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Actually that might be unfair because I was just reading
where remember last year how the Broncos were like, hey, Russ,
we need you to adjust your contract or.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
We're gonna bench you.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Remember that, and then Broncos ended up benching him because
they did because the injury guarantees in a punt, and
the year before that happened to Derek Carr with the Raiders,
and it's probably gonna end up having to Daniel Jones,
so there'll be a heavy dose of.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Drew Lock later.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's an interesting take. Yeah, that's a that's a very
interesting take.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Because you know you don't have to pay him for
the following year if he gets injured late in the
season when you're winning like four games.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So I was thinking about, look, can I throw a
really hot take at you? Please do? I threw this
at Fantasy pros, a fantasy guy that I know. I said,
Patriots are gonna be really bad, but there's only one
great lock at quarterback. So the Raiders in about week
seven or eight are gonna be like one in six
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and they're gonna move. If you play fantasy football, they're
gonna take Devonte Adams. So the Raiders are gonna trail
all season. So DeVante Adams is going to get a
lot of looks because they're gonna be trailing late and
Gardner Minshew's more than capable, but New England's going to
be so bad early that the Raiders are like, we
want Carson Beck. They're gonna trade Devonte Adams to a
team with a good quarterback in the second half, like
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a Green Bay. That's like, we're a star player from
winning a super Bowl and Devonte Adams goes back to
the Packers. Just just keep your eye on that for
a lot of reasons, because the number one pick next
year is the only star quarterback prospect.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
There's a lot of shit as no.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
But I mean there's a lot of Riley Leonard should
or Sanders, but there's all issues like Carson Beck, big moves, smart, accurate,
like it's all that when viewers no way. So I'm
just saying this is your takes a very smart one.
They they don't want Daniel Jones to get hurt and
they want him on the market to get a fifth
round pick or whatever. DeVante Adams week eight or nine.
(26:47):
Like New England doesn't have a win, they have one.
They're like, we want that number one.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Pick because they were going after Ayuk. Weren't they in
the mix for Ayuk?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So well, I mean I think the trading deadline is
like week eight, so you get a send so and
by week eight the good teams know, hey, we're just
missing one thing.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
One piece of way.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You're never one piece of way, just for the record,
But if you start looking at cap space, you could
you can make an argument like we're missing by the way,
San Francisco's gonna surplus of receivers if they don't get Ayuk,
they could. I think there's gonna be I think that.
I think there's like it, like in baseball this year,
nobody's gonna win one hundred games. There's no great team
right Like in football, Kansas City won the Super Bowl,
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they weren't great. I mean they were seven nineteenth in
yards per player, seventeenth. Do we have a great team
in the league this year? Oh, Lamar Jackson's old line
is worse. The Niners have a hold out with Trent
Williams and Brandon Nayuk. Green Bay's a bit too young
to be great, though they could win. So I think
to yours, I think there's gonna be a lot of
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good teams, and we could have a very active trade
deadline for a guy like Davonte Adams, a great player
on a team that wants that number one PA.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
You want a great team.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Detroit Lions start the season ten I don't know, and
then they level up, adding DeVante Adams at the deadline,
Davante Adams opposite Amaran Saint Brown.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
They go all in.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
We got Ben Johnson, we got GoF dude, the running backs.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
That schedule is.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
The more you look at the schedule, you're like, who's
beating the Lions this year?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Come on, okay, all right, well anyways, let's get to
this story. Oh boy, Lamar Jackson like, we like Lamar Jackson. Okay,
He's had a lot of regular season success to MVP awards,
but he hasn't gotten to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
He's gotten a lot of criticism for that.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Whole in his resume, and he says, unlike Kevin Durant,
he doesn't pay much attention to what other people say.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
I'm motivating myself because I know what I want to
do at the end of the day. You know, those
guys have their time, you know I can't. I really
don't care what the criticism is. You know what the
critics say, because at the end of the day, you know,
I just came off of a season in the injury
the year before, and we made it all the ways
to the LC in the new system, you know, so
it's nothing to be down in myself, my teammates or anything, you.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Know, come with me far they win seventy five percent
of the games when he starts. We can bang on
the playoff stuff, but seventy five percent of the NFL
season is regular season. Probably eighty five percent of the
season is regular season.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So Lamar Jackson is basically James Harden a regular season
jug or not.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I mean, there was hold on.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
There was a time where people were saying, James Harden
is the greatest score since Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Other people were, you know, And it's like he was
awesome in the regular season, fifty sixty.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Dollars into that. He's a Championships an MVP.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
He was unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Lamar Jackson's better at football than James Harden is at basketball.
Because Lamar Jackson's he's the leader.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I can't get there yet.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I'm sorry, but the leader. Yes, James Harden is the
way too quirky to be a leader, ye off, Lamar
lay no James is about James to make it fine,
Lamar's Lamar is a great football player that has struggled.
In January, so is Josh Allen. Josh Allen's playoff record
is five and five through ten games. It's funny.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I was going, now, he has I think three playoff
losses to the Chiefs, so whatever, But I was looking
at playoff wins, and again it's a tiny sample size.
It's really not fair. But our guy Mark Sanchez has
four playoff wins. Yeah, will Lamar top four in his career?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
All you need Mat Stafford?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
You want to guess his playoff record.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well with the Rams, it's very good. What is it?
Four and four for his career? Well, he had a
couple of men.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Oh, w and three with the Lions and four and
one with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
You know, I've told you I've made this argument before
on Matt Stafford. Matt Stafford gets to a Super Bowl
this year, Aaron Rodgers does not have a good season
for the Jets. Whole line doesn't protect him. We're gonna
look at those two.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Different Well, yeah, but doesn't Rogers have four MVPs and
Stafford has none.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
One guy potentially has two super bowls. One has one, yeah,
and one was better early and better late.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
You can't get me to say bad stuff about Stafford's
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I love I think he's think, you know, I don't
think that legacy is complete. I think Matt Stafford. I
think this team is so talented and young. If Matt
plays three more years and has two great ones and
a good one and the Errand thing doesn't work, We're
gonna look at these careers differently.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
It is you know, you mentioned Stafford, But Lamar has
two MVPs. He's got a ways to go, but he
is a running quarterback. I think Stafford's probably got a better,
much better case for the Hall of Fame than Lamar
Jackson despite.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
No MVP right now. But Lamar just moved into his prime.
He's yeah, Stafford's gonna. Is Stafford a Hall of Famer
right now? I think he's close. Another super Bowl winner lose,
He's in, so Russell Wilson, No for you know, Matt
Stafford is It's really close. I'd have to look at
the numbers. I think Matt Stafford's knocking at the door.
(31:47):
A super Bowl win was very big. Listen. I think
Matt knows this. I think Matt needs two more really
good seasons with playoff wins, and I'd put him in.
But I think I think both of those guys are in.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
But then again, I'm generous. You're a bit of a hater.
I like to put these guys in the Hall of fame.
I like to get them paid. You're a coastal elite.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Who you hear your ice cream for breakfast?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Dad?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I'm weedies and push ups.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
That's why my dog loves me more than anyone else.
Next up, let's go to the Niners. Still working on
this brand and I you nonsense. Also Trent Williams no contract,
Ayukus holding in. While Williams has been absent from camp,
Kystianahan said yesterday zero updates and nothing has changed. Great
news for my jets in week one. I don't know
what the Niners are going to be. I mean, at
(32:32):
what point do you start to get a little nervous.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
If I don't get nervous with him, I get nervous.
Trent Williams scares me. Yes, I don't care if I
doesn't come back, They'll be fine. I would do everything
I could to get Trent Williams in. They'll be fine.
They'll win games. Listen, they got two rookie receivers. One
of them is going to be good. Kittle Jennings, Debo Christian,
They're fine and pretty moves. So I don't worry about
(32:56):
their offense. I worry about Trent Dill. I worry about
their old line without Trent, which will be a below
average O line. He is the anchor of an ok
offensive Line's a good point.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And brock Perty's got to be a little nervous season
waiting for his big payday after the end of the season.
You know, I Trent Williams, that's not great.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
No left tackle.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I'd slowed down on the big payday.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
He'll have a payday like the candy Bar final story.
Not Judon now a member of the Falcons. But before
the trade was done, apparently the Bears were in the
mix to land the edge rusher. On last night's episode
of Hard Knocks, we saw that GM Ryan Poles had
the framework for a deal in place, but the two
sides did not agree to an extension before the trade,
(33:37):
which was a deal breaker for Chicago. Maybe they saw
that Hassan Reddick nonsense for the Jets and that played
a part. Listen, I like the Bears getting aggressive, going
after guys they wanted to.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I mean, I think we talked about this that we
thought judeon Atlanta and Chicago were the places good teams
with a chance to be really good. So I like him.
He's a little undersized, he wears down at the end
of seasons.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Come off of biceps injury. Not great.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I don't know, he's good player, A big fan.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
But remember the Bears made a move for Sweat last
year and it transformed that defense down the stretch totally.
So maybe there's a I don't know Judon's as good
as Sweat at the lot numbers.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
No, I think Sweat, Sweat bigger, stronger. I think I
think Sweat's the better player.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
It just feels like.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Jalen Johnson's the better player.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I mean Judon and Simmons going to the Falcons down
in the secondary, Like, did that.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Get the pieces in place?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh, Atlanta's good, Atlanta's going in a lot of games.
That's a listen. We have to be honest about this.
Some of this is the division you play in.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, that's why are you with the Bears in that
division and Atlanta and the lot of you here.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Albert Breer, Oh, that Jets think they rarely have a
team not wouldn't be the first time he's gonna say.
I've heard that once. I've heard it thirty times in
the last you know, many years. Uh J Mack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
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If I said to you in the preseason, what do
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(35:59):
the Chiefs will be good new stuff or things you've seen.
Like yesterday, I made five bold NFL predictions. Can I
give you one? One of them is whether you think
he's gonna be great or not? His cognitive ability, his accuracy,
and his mobility. Is that bow Knicks is gonna work
in this league? Now? Is he gonna win ten games? Now? No?
(36:23):
When I'm watching bow Knicks play, between the Peyton texts,
between what I'm seeing, between his mobility, which is better
than I think people thought. His accuracy is great, you
can't be this buttoned up. Six drives outside of the
one fumble, they've scored on all of them. I absolutely
have no problem saying I don't know if they're gonna
make the playoffs, but do I believe they're gonna be
(36:43):
able to compete with the Chargers and the Chiefs because
of Bonnicks. Absolutely. Remember the Saints were the worst organization
in the league the next year with Peyton ten and
six NFC Championship game. Sean's not somebody that needs a
lot of time. The defense will be the issue again
this year won't be the offense. So Albert Burr was
(37:06):
on earlier this hour, like like on why bow Knicks
looks so good so fast?
Speaker 4 (37:11):
He should be ready to go. This is a guy who
started sixty one games in college. He didn't misspeak there
at sixty one games in college. Yeah, and it was
a multi year starter at two different major conference programs.
It would almost be alarming if he wasn't ready. And
he's shown himself to be a little bit more than that.
And I remember hearing the stories about Peyton being on
(37:33):
the ground, you know, in Eugene when they went to
work him out, and how when Peyton sized him up,
he was bigger in the lower half than he thought
he'd be, and the way the ball came out of
his hands was a little bit different than he thought
it would and really like that was sort of what
sold him.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah. I remember when Dak came out and I pushed
back on this. People went crazy on Dak one game
against the Rams at the coliseum. Remember Rams came back
to La bow Knicks. Now he got multiple PRECS games,
and I see the same thing every time. I don't
understand these people that say they don't have weapons. I
think between I think they have four receivers I would
(38:09):
could and good tight ends. I think you are looking
at that works. It didn't take long to figure out
what Zach Wilson Manny's missing open throws and easy throws.
You saw it very quickly. It didn't take long to
figure out mac Jones maybe less athletic than we thought.
I mean, it didn't take us long Trey Lance accuracy issues.
(38:31):
It doesn't take long quarterback to see a problem.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Oh, I think mac Jones was better in year two,
but then the wheels came off. I'm gonna ask about
another guy, another rookie. You love this knick stuff, Well,
you loved another guy. You love this move by Atlanta
to get Michael Pennix, And I just read that he's
not gonna play in another preseason.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
They sat him down.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
So Kirk Cousins not playing at all in the preseason
coming off the Achilles fine, Michael Penix throws sixteen passes
in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's it. Yeah, Oh Nix has thrown more.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Caleb Williams to throw everybody, all the rookies to throw more.
Who's the backup quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons in Week one?
Taylor Heineke, Who's got experience? And he's played up more
in the preseason than Michael Pennock.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Michael Pennis. They're shutting him down.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Why a rookie?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
He has an injury history. They watched J. J. McCarthy
get hurt and said, no, Moss, we're out on that.
We're just getting out of it.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
So they're operating out of a fear based approach to
life like that.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, caution based. There's a difference between I don't jump
without a parachute out of a plane. Is that fear based?
Speaker 3 (39:31):
You can't run some vanilla plays for Michael Pennock in
a preseason game. The future of the francis this Atlanta stuff?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I I wonder if we could see odds. Is Michael
Pennix inactive for week one and Taylor Heineke's a backup?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I don't know, we'll.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
See I like Pennix a lot, and if houred him,
I'd be super ticked off right now watching Bo Nick's
Thrive and Caleb Williams like Michael Pennock should be.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Starting somewhere and he's buried in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
He's not buried, Okay?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yeah, Yeah, See I had kind of silenced you their coward.
You're like, damn what.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Sometimes I'm so shocked at your bad take. I don't
have an immediate rebuttal.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
The AP story, the Beat writers, they're all wondering, why
aren't we seeing more Penis? Is your rookie going to
be the backup?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
No, Michael Pennix played, looked really good, and they said,
you know what, let's let's not mess around with this.
Sometimes you see something you know it works. It's like,
we've seen enough. Sean Payton said, I saw the sixteenth
throw from bow Knicks. I told the GM I've seen enough.
We got our guy. When you have something, there's no
(40:37):
reason to show it off. Just just sit it down.
Let's get to the opener. Okay, our three next
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, hour two. It's a Wednesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
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I'm getting on a plane heading east for a few
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Did you just say labor intensively.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'd been putting up a lot of masonry. My vacations
are masonry, one brick at a time.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I just told one of the producers backstage, hide the
women and children tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I got big take. Oh boy, Kansas City, tis fans
by the way, toward the ship. You're picking on one
of my friends in this business. I got a bunch
of texts on that. That was a beltic story. Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
People are worked up about that. I thought I was
just a flippant comment. I mean, that's what we do.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You know we're in the flippant business.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I didn't realize it was that hot.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay, So I'm gonna I get two more. This is
gonna be one. I get two more opportunities before the
season starts. I'm gonna do one on the Thursday, before
the opening NFL game. I'm gonna do one. Now is
that I've watched the preseason, I'm reading, like you everything,
and I'm gonna give you a sense of where I
feel with my playoffs. So I've made a couple of changes,
couple of minor changes, but they're changes, and I'll give
(01:43):
you the reason why. So let's start with the AFC.
I still feel it's Bills, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots. I know
more about the Dolphins than I do the Jets. I
know they'll be wildly productive on offense. Offense is gary over.
If you don't make big wholesale change. Is a good
offense one year, is a good offense the next year.
It's not the same for defense. Jets. Hassan Redick's not
(02:05):
in camp. Hoff's gone a lot of noise. I think
it's Bill's Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, AFC North. I don't know
if there's a great team. I'm out on the Steelers.
Brown's ownership quarterback scares me. It's Ravens Bengals. I may
revisit this. I'm gonna go listen Lamar Jackson's health. I
trust him to be healthy by week seventeen, even though
(02:26):
he's had injuries more than Joe Burrow. But if Joe
Burrow is upright for the entire season, Cincinnati may win
this division. AFC South. I feel really good about my
pick now. I really like the Texans. I like everything
about what they're doing. Jaguars best roster. I believe Trevor
Lawrence has had and he is healthy. I still don't
know if Anthony Richardson's style last in this league. Titans
(02:48):
I don't think are very good. AFC West. Here's the thing,
Kansas City should be better at wide receiver. The Chargers
worry me now because Denver, I think, is better faster
with bow Nicks than I thought, and I thought it
was gonna work. I'm a little worried about Justin Herbert.
I got Jmack in my ear. So my division winners
(03:08):
in the AFC remain the Bills, Ravens, Texans, Chiefs. But
I'm gonna move the Dolphins into the playoffs and the
Chargers out because the Dolphins give me things. I know,
Tua Waddle, Tyreek, Mike McDaniel, those running backs. Remember, Great
offenses carry over year to year. Great defenses don't. There's
(03:32):
just too many unknowns now with the Chargers, Herbert's health,
their receiving corps, I just don't know. And so I'm
going to have for the time being Chargers last team out.
Dolphins are in in the NFC. I've told you Eagles, Commanders, Cowboys, Giants.
I think Dallas misses the playoff. I think the Commanders
(03:53):
are the shock of the league. I'll get to that
in a second. Here's my big change, and it's pretty subtle.
Packers Lions, Bears, Vikings. I'm gonna flip Packers and Lions.
When the Packers played the Lions the second time in
Jordan Love had experience, they beat Detroit. I know the
Lions have a better offensive line, the depth of offensive talent,
(04:14):
and the coaching and the quarterback mobility of Green Bay
is better. I'm gonna go with a young, ascending team
in my opinion, the better head coach, the better quarterback talent,
and a loaded stack roster of receiver and tight end talent.
Lions still make the playoffs. Bears are gonna be exciting,
(04:35):
but it's a hell of a division. Vikings the best
fourth place team in the league NFC South. I think
Atlanta's gonna run away with it. I think Atlanta's gonna
win potentially twelve to thirteen games. I really do. I
really like Atlanta. I say that being lighter in the
wallet my entire adult life on Falcons games. Bucks are good,
not as good as Atlanta. Panthers are gonna be fun
(04:57):
to watch, much better at wide receiver. Still, third Saints
will be a mess. I think they're the first team
to fire their coach and in the NFC West. I
said last year, I think they're leaning too much on McCaffrey.
What's the situation on Brandon? I will Trent Williams be ready.
I think the Jets could beat him in Week one.
I think they pull back a little. I think they
have peaked physically. They'll be good, they won't be as
(05:19):
special Seahawks. I think are interesting, A bit of a
mystery team to me. Arizona four. So in the division
winner category Eagles, Packers, Falcons, Rams, Lions, Commanders, Niners of
the wild card teams, I'm just gonna take a little
younger team in green Bay. I like everything about where
Green Bay is going right now. I also think they
(05:40):
have a history of winning, and I think Detroit doesn't.
And now Detroit's got from Detroit's gone from the hunter
to the hunted, and I'm not sure how they're going
to deal with that. They've never been that now, even
last year they were the hunter. Now the Lions are
the hunted. All right, Jay mc subtle moves.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I'm worried about you, Colin.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You're going on vacation and you're making crazy out of
pocket bix here in the end of what no Jets
in the playoffs, Packers.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Winning the division? Oh dear, oh, all right, let's go
to my buddy Albert Breer Monday morning. I just feel
like I know what I get with Miami. There's too
many questions with the Jets. By the way, you've been
the Jets training camp. Listen, if Aaron Rodgers is in
your camp, it's different. It's New York, it's different. Does
(06:31):
the Jets camp Albert to you, does it feel different?
And if so, why th another camps?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
It does because I think there's a real effort to
tamp down all the hype. And I think last year,
if you went to their camp, it was a show,
you know, like Hard Knocks is there. I mean the
way the crowd was watching practice was almost game like,
and the players were hyper aware of all of the
eyes on them. And I think there's been just a
very serious effort there to fly as far into the
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radar as they possibly can, which is impossible when you're
the Jets, when you're in New York, when Aaron Rodgers
is your quarterback. But they're doing the best they can
to manage the hype better than they did last year.
Here's the other thing. They think they're going to be really,
really good. There's a quiet confidence that building that I
think built in the spring has spilled over into the summer.
And a huge part of that Colin like, I think
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you know the team where I am right now is Bucks.
Like I think they think they're sort of where the
Bucks were in twenty twenty with Tom Brady and the
main reason why and something a lot of fans don't
think about is how good they are at the lines
of scrimmage. They have seven former first round picks playing
defensive line for them, so they were good in that
area last year. They have a chance to be even
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better and deeper in that area this year. And what
they have that they didn't have last year is a
really solid offensive line. They feel like they've got five
NFL tackles. They've got Olufashan who backing up Tyron Smith
and Morgan Moses. They feel good about what they've got
in the interior. They almost went overboard on the offensive line,
and with that, combined with the backfield that they have
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with Breace Hall and a couple of rookies Braylen Allen
from Wisconsin who's going to be really good, Isaiah Davis
their fifth round pick. Part of this is like exactly
what Tampa had, which is the Buccaneers didn't need to
ask the world of Tom Brady. Now he gave them
the world. They didn't need on a week to week
basis to ask the world of him, which I think
allowed Tom Brady to be at his very best. And
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I think the Jets feel like they can do the
exact same thing for Aaron Rodgers this year.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So the Pittsburgh offensive line, it's a bit musical chairs,
but it's a disaster with two mobile quarterbacks. There were
four sacks and ten quarterback hits. And it's also a
unit that Mike Tomlin's team they get almost everything right.
On the defensive side, they draft and develop, well, they
can't get they can't get OC and O line right.
And I look at that thing and I'm like, is
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this so? Is it this bad because of the musical
chairs and injuries or do you look at this team
and think in the AFC they could be they could
be very early.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I think they have OC right, Like I do think
that that Arthur Smith is the right guy. I think
he's an identity fit for what Mike Tomlin's always wanted
out of his offense. Complex, hard for a defense to
deal with, you know, and and with a really strong
run game. So I think Arthur Smith's going to give
Mike Tomlin what he wants. Schematically, the question is the personnel.
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Like you said, they're gonna need a bunch of high
draft picks to come around for them, and that means
Zach Frasier playing center for them now, and that means
Broderick Jones, the first round pick from a year ago,
coming around, and Troy Fittanu, who is going to be
an excellent player, but you got to figure out what
the best position is for him. Is he a tackles,
he guards, he right tackles, he left tackle. So they've
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been sorting through all of that. There's talent upfront, but
you're sorting through that, and then you know, I think
they telegraphed that they have an issue at receiver by
being right square in the middle of the Brandon Ayuk mix.
So you've got all of that. Then you get the
quarterback situation, which this is a huge week because Russell
Wilson is finally, you know, out there practicing without restriction.
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So it's a big week for Russell Wilson. It's a
big week for justin Fields. And this is why they've
been playing their starters so deep into the preseason games.
They're trying to work out things now so they won't
have to work them out in September. The problem for them,
you know, just from a perception standpoint, is because they're
doing it this way and because they're playing guys so
deep into the preseason games, we get to see all
of the wards.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Listen, Brian Flores. To me, he's too good of a
coach not to get a second chance. I like the
fact that he owned it. I think there's a democratic
over autocratic way to coach in the NFL, more McVeigh
than Belichickian. But I thought it was interesting that Tua
came out because he's a really nice kid, and he's
not really terribly outspoken, and for him to come out
and just say, listen, that was awful. He was a
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terrible person. Yeah, I wonder how that landed. In mind,
it didn't bother me. I kind of appreciate the kid.
I wonder how that landed. It kind of surprised me
that it came out with a big left hook.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah. I think you know what's interesting about it is
I do think it gave Flores a chance to come
out and talk about how he's grown from the experience,
and you know, I think from that perspective, like Brian
Flora is gonna have a shot to be a head
coach again. I mean, he won nineteen games in two
years there, Like they weren't like objectively bad. He did
a lot of good things there. And you know, help
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set the table in certain ways for what Mike McDaniel
has been able to do. I think, as much as
anything else, it's a reflection of the way guys expect
to be coached in this era. I mean, remember, this
is a quarterback who played for Nick Saban, you know,
for three years at Alabama, So it's not like he
was coming from some soft program, right, And you know,
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I just think sometimes there's this expectation that you're going
to be coached a certain way, and when you're not,
and then the results don't follow, that's where the problems,
you know, can manifest. And so like I think, as
much as anything else, this is sort of a generational thing.
I do think Flores has learned from it. And you know,
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I don't think it's about how hard he was coached,
because Mike McDaniel coaches his guys hard, But Mike McDaniel
also lets his guys know how much he cares about them.
He's he's positive, and the in the tone that he
strikes on a day to day basis, and there's just
a very different feel to it, you know. I think
in a lot of ways I look at it like
sort of like the Pete Carroll Bill Belichick argument. A
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lot of people thought like those two guys were very different. Well,
you know, I've talked to guys who coached for both
who say they're actually, you know, largely the same. It's
just packaged very differently. And so I think Mike McDaniel's
asking a lot of the same things and is as
demanding in some ways as Brian Flores was. It's just
packaged a lot different. And I think, you know, these
comments sort of reflect generation, you know, for that generation,
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just sort of how important the packaging can be.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Sean Payton sent me a text or two and he
knew how he was fascinated with Bownecks, and I kept
talking about it, so I would prod and proden. He
sent me a couple of texts He's like pretty early,
you know, he would say, we got a good we
got one, Yeah, we got one. I don't think there's
any question.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I know it's preseason, but cognitively, mobility and accuracy Albert
that's a franchise quarterback. I don't care that it's preseason.
I mean, I'm seeing first of all, I saw him
twice live. He's much more athletic than anybody gives him
credit for much more athletic. He can move, he's fine, which,
by the way, Breeze was early in his career too.
Drew could move early in his career, he just didn't later.
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I don't know. I watched bon Nicks. I said this,
People thought it was a hot take. I said, Caleb
defensive coach Jaden defensive coach, Drake May, defensive coach JJ
McCarthy won't play. I would not be shocked year one
if bone Nicks we come out. I'm not saying career
year one we go that was the best rookie quarterback.
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Does that sound crazy?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I think Caleb will be just because of the infrastructure
around him and the talent around him. That's it. I
don't think you're off base, you know. I think you
need boil it down to a simpler thing, right, Like
he's been in there for seven possessions, Colin. One of
those possessions there was a fumbled snap and they turned
the ball over. On all six of the other possessions,
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they scored points, and he led a seventy five yard
drive in the two minute drill. And so what he's
showing is when they're in there, when he's in there.
They moved the ball, which is a massive, massive part
of all of this, you know, And so I think
you're right, like, and he should be ready to go.
This is a guy who started sixty one games in college.
I didn't misspeak there at sixty one games, I know, yeah,
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And it was a multi year starter at two different
major conference programs, and so like, I think it would
almost be alarming if he wasn't ready, And he's shown
himself to be a little bit more than that. And
I remember hearing the stories about Peyton being on the ground,
you know, in Eugene when they went to work him out,
and how when Peyton sized him up, he was bigger
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in the lower half than he thought he'd be. The
way the ball came out of his hands was a
little bit different than he thought it would And really
like that was sort of what's sold him and those
physical traits, I think is what where the scrutiny is
going to come over the next few years. In other words,
I think there's there should be an expectation, a high
expectation for where bon Nicks is in year one and
year two. The bigger question that we're not going to
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be able to answer for a while is where is
he in year four and year five? Will he be
able to level up where he can be a fifty
or sixty million dollar quarterback. That's going to be unanswered
for a little while, I think, but I'd expect that
he'll be very ready to go, and I think he'll
be their week one starter.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
So I'm going to throw this at you and you
would know it better than anybody. So Carson Beck is
going to be the number one pick next year from
Georgia six four to two twenty. He's a really good prospect.
Drake May was always a solid prospect, maybe a poor
man's Herbert, but he wasn't a Caleb Carson Beck. If
he has another big year for Georgia, which I suspect
he will, he's going to come out as a dominant one.
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And I was talking to j Mac yesterday and I said,
there's an argument, just play Drake May, see what you
got and see what you don't. You know, you play
him four games at the end of the year and
Carson Beck's there, you may be passing on a generational player.
Arizona moved off a guy and it worked like there's
And I didn't think this to start the year, But
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I'm like, I want to know what I have. I mean,
justin Herbert was running for his life and broke rookie records,
I want to know what I Couldn't you argue the
Carson Beck factor to just play him and see what
you have.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
So I think you have to wait. And I'm in
that camp, like I love to see him play. What
they'd done over the course of the preseason and sequenced
him right. So the idea was to get his feet
what in that first game. They didn't want him out
there behind the second offensive line. They know they've got
a depth issue in that area, So get him out there,
get his feet, We get him out of the game.
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Then take him and put him in an adverse situation
in the joint practicingast the Eagles, who are much better
on the defensive line than the Patriots are the offensive line.
Have him take some lumps there, and then come back
in the preseason game and play him extended snaps and
get him to build some confidence, which they were able
to do. The reason they're being so detailed about a
lot of this stuff. I mean, he may be the
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most raw of the six quarterbacks coming out like just
as far as like what he brings to the table. Physically,
he's outstanding, big arm, great athlete, could have been a
Division one basketball player, all that different stuff. He needed
a lot of work mechanically, and what they found and
they got him was that he had almost zero footwork training.
So they were working from the ground up, and so
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they want to be in a place where what they've
taught him has really started to become habit for him,
which is a whole ten thousand reps thing, right, And
the worst thing he can do is put a guy
out there while he's still learning it and get him
knocked around. And right now, I don't think they're good
enough on offense around the quarterback to risk it. In
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other words, you're gonna if you put Jacoby Prisett in
there and knocked around a little bit like no harm,
no foul, Drake May, you could screw up a lot
of the progress. And there has been a lot of
progress that you've made over the last four months. So
I think he's gonna sit to start the season. I
think the hope would be to get in some action
a little bit later in the year, and you're gonna
be making your judgments based on how he looks in
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practice and maybe how he looks in a few games
at the end of the year, and look like, if
Carson Beck has the kind of season that you're talking about,
then you have a hard decision to make. But I
think right now the idea is to prioritize the development
of Drake May first and four months.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So I made my NFL predictions before you. I took
the Dolphins because historically in this league, great offenses they
play the next year. If you have a great offense
and you bring back the personnel, defenses get hurt more.
I mean, you can have a great defense, you lose
a coordinator. You know, it's different, and so I don't
know what the Jets provide, but all you know, these
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are my teams. So just just you know, not to
put you in a spot to react to. Well, I
do think Washington's my shocking team. Is there anybody here?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, I want to talk about them.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
There's gonna be a surprise though, So I give you
credit for doing that. That's a good duy.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Okay, tell me who your surprise would be in the league.
Who's going to be the Houston.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
The Colts, wouldn't shock me if they were better than
people think, and then maybe they were the top challenger
in the AFC South. Wow, they won nine games last
year with Gardner Minshew at quarterback. I think Shane stike
In is a great coach, not a good coach, a
great coach. I think a big reason why Jalen Hurts
took a step back last year was because he lost
Shane stike In. And I think if Anthony Richardson can
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stay healthy, they're going to be a real problem. Like,
I think they've got a good balanced team, not that
they're going to win the super Bowl, but they could
be a surprise playoff team. I also look at the
two teams in the NFC West, and the reason I'd
pause with them is because I think both the Rams
and Niners are going to be really good. You have
them both in the playoffs. But both the Seahawks and
the Cardinals have a really strong base of young players.
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So and there's volume there, right, So with the Seahawks
and the second and third year guys. With the Cardinals'
is the first and second year guys. They also have
pretty good quarterbacks. They also play in the NFC, so
maybe one of those two teams is a surprise team
where you look at it at the end of the
year and you're like, man, that's a balanced roster with
a lot of good young talent. You know, Seattle, it's
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guys like Devin Witherspoon and Jackson Smith and Jigba, Charles Cross,
all the guys they've drafted the last few years, Abe Lucas,
Rik Wolan. And then you know the Arizona, it's the
guys they've brought in over the last couple of years,
Paris Johnson, you know, Marvin Harrison, you know Max Melton.
I think they think it's gonna be an outstanding corner.
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So those two teams I have my eye on is
like you know, when you say Houston, I think of
a team that's gonna have like a lot of young
players turned the corner all at once, Like it happened
not just with CJ last year, it also happened with
guys like Nico Collins and Tankell, Yeah, sort of coming
around Derek Stingley. Right, So those are the two teams
that I look at like there's a lot of good
young players there, and if all of those guys collectively
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take a step, then I'm not seeing they'll challenge the
Rams or the Niners in the NFC West, but they
could wind up sneaking in the playoffs as the six
or seven seed.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Good stuff, Albert, Bear bounce. How many camps you'd been
to now, Albert.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I've seen twenty five teams. Twenty three camps. They cheated
a couple of them, but twenty five teams.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I hope Monday Morning Quarterbacks travel budget is covering all
of that. That's a lot. That's a lot of flights
bouncing around the country.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Good, Senior, But my wife's covering a lot of things too.
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Good seeing a man.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
All right, thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
All right, Colts is interesting because you like the Colts.
There's so much I like about the Colts. I love
the GM, I love the I love I love the coach.
They don't have a huge hole in their roster. But
that's a problem.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
We like a lot of teams. I know that you like.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
At least three or four teams that we like are
gonna stink. But you and I can't find many bad teams.
You elevate in the Broncos. Who's going to be bad
other than the Raiders? Patriots and Raiders.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Well, well, the Patriots are lack of firepower, the Raiders
are lack of star quarterback. I think the Giants could
win seven eight games. Stop, what's they're over under?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
They're not winning. They're not winning seven or eight. Somebody's
got to win three or four games, Colin, who's it
going to be?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
New England? Who else? See, that's the problem we like
to have. Tennessee is not very good. Tennessee's not winning six.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
They get some they got some guys.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, they don't have the guy. So I think I
think New England and Tennessee are going to lose a lot.
You're right, somebody's got to lose games in these conferences.
I think Tennessee loses a lot of games. And I yeah,
Tennessee and the Patriots, and then in the NFC, who's back, boy,
there's no The New York Giants are a They're not good.
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They're not good. That's fair because here's the thing. A
team I think that's going to be feisty. They won't
be a playoff team. But I think Arizona's feisty, so
they're not They're gonna be like an eight to nine ish.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You have Oh you have the Saints is being very bad.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Oh yeah, I have the same. There's got to be
at least two teams in these conference that are winning
four games, because not at you know, not everybody. There's
too many good teams that are gonna win eleven twelve thirteen.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I keep an eye on the Pittsburgh Steelers like five
five winds. That is so somebody's gonna be bad college.
That's how it airs, and somebody's got to not be good.
You can't have everybody winning ten eleven, twelve thirteen games.
I just noticed Chiefs went fourteen and three two years
ago in the down to eleven and six last year.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Is that gonna continue?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
They're gonna trend down.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I think they feel closer to eleven than fourteen. Oh yeah,
Travis Kelcey as great as acting in a movie coming up?
Oh is he even at camp?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I don't. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, seasons. Oh, just make it sure the sare with
Bill Simmons, the guy you always takes shots at, taking shots.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
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Speaker 1 (24:01):
By the way, the Giants over under a six and
a half, I'll take the over.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh that's insane.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Let's do a wager right now while you're off kilter.
Go ahead, come on, what do you want it to be?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Anything? Well, it's like I'm just saying, you're giving me
a choice. I'll take seven and ten. I'm not saying
nine to ten. I think the NF NFC is still
weaker than the AFC.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Can you go over six and a half. I'll go
under six and a half. Why don't we bet a
pair of a pair of a pair of Jordans.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I don't wear Jordan's I do. I'm not gonna do shoes.
I do food and vacation a week in Maui or
something like that. A week in Maui. Oh, giants, don't
let me down. J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
No turn, this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Actually that might be unfair because I was just reading
where remember last year how the Broncos were like, hey, Russ,
we need you to adjust your contract or.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
We're gonna bench you.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Remember that, and then Broncos ended up benching him because
they did because the injury guarantees in a punt, and
the year before that happened to Derek Carr with the Raiders,
and it's probably gonna end up having to Daniel Jones,
so there'll be a heavy dose of.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Drew Lock later.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's an interesting take. Yeah, that's a that's a very
interesting take.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Because you know you don't have to pay him for
the following year if he gets injured late in the
season when you're winning like four games.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So I was thinking about, look, can I throw a
really hot take at you? Please do? I threw this
at Fantasy pros, a fantasy guy that I know. I said,
Patriots are gonna be really bad, but there's only one
great lock at quarterback. So the Raiders in about week
seven or eight are gonna be like one in six
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and they're gonna move. If you play fantasy football, they're
gonna take Devonte Adams. So the Raiders are gonna trail
all season. So DeVante Adams is going to get a
lot of looks because they're gonna be trailing late and
Gardner Minshew's more than capable, but New England's going to
be so bad early that the Raiders are like, we
want Carson Beck. They're gonna trade Devonte Adams to a
team with a good quarterback in the second half, like
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a Green Bay. That's like, we're a star player from
winning a super Bowl and Devonte Adams goes back to
the Packers. Just just keep your eye on that for
a lot of reasons, because the number one pick next
year is the only star quarterback prospect.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
There's a lot of shit as no.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
But I mean there's a lot of Riley Leonard should
or Sanders, but there's all issues like Carson Beck, big moves, smart, accurate,
like it's all that when viewers no way. So I'm
just saying this is your takes a very smart one.
They they don't want Daniel Jones to get hurt and
they want him on the market to get a fifth
round pick or whatever. DeVante Adams week eight or nine.
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Like New England doesn't have a win, they have one.
They're like, we want that number one.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Pick because they were going after Ayuk. Weren't they in
the mix for Ayuk?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So well, I mean I think the trading deadline is
like week eight, so you get a send so and
by week eight the good teams know, hey, we're just
missing one thing.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
One piece of way.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You're never one piece of way, just for the record,
But if you start looking at cap space, you could
you can make an argument like we're missing by the way,
San Francisco's gonna surplus of receivers if they don't get Ayuk,
they could. I think there's gonna be I think that.
I think there's like it, like in baseball this year,
nobody's gonna win one hundred games. There's no great team
right Like in football, Kansas City won the Super Bowl,
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they weren't great. I mean they were seven nineteenth in
yards per player, seventeenth. Do we have a great team
in the league this year? Oh, Lamar Jackson's old line
is worse. The Niners have a hold out with Trent
Williams and Brandon Nayuk. Green Bay's a bit too young
to be great, though they could win. So I think
to yours, I think there's gonna be a lot of
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good teams, and we could have a very active trade
deadline for a guy like Davonte Adams, a great player
on a team that wants that number one PA.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
You want a great team.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Detroit Lions start the season ten I don't know, and
then they level up, adding DeVante Adams at the deadline,
Davante Adams opposite Amaran Saint Brown.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
They go all in.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
We got Ben Johnson, we got GoF dude, the running backs.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
That schedule is.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
The more you look at the schedule, you're like, who's
beating the Lions this year?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Come on, okay, all right, well anyways, let's get to
this story. Oh boy, Lamar Jackson like, we like Lamar Jackson. Okay,
He's had a lot of regular season success to MVP awards,
but he hasn't gotten to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
He's gotten a lot of criticism for that.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Whole in his resume, and he says, unlike Kevin Durant,
he doesn't pay much attention to what other people say.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
I'm motivating myself because I know what I want to
do at the end of the day. You know, those
guys have their time, you know I can't. I really
don't care what the criticism is. You know what the
critics say, because at the end of the day, you know,
I just came off of a season in the injury
the year before, and we made it all the ways
to the LC in the new system, you know, so
it's nothing to be down in myself, my teammates or anything, you.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Know, come with me far they win seventy five percent
of the games when he starts. We can bang on
the playoff stuff, but seventy five percent of the NFL
season is regular season. Probably eighty five percent of the
season is regular season.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So Lamar Jackson is basically James Harden a regular season
jug or not.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I mean, there was hold on.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
There was a time where people were saying, James Harden
is the greatest score since Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Other people were, you know, And it's like he was
awesome in the regular season, fifty sixty.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Dollars into that. He's a Championships an MVP.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
He was unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Lamar Jackson's better at football than James Harden is at basketball.
Because Lamar Jackson's he's the leader.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I can't get there yet.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I'm sorry, but the leader. Yes, James Harden is the
way too quirky to be a leader, ye off, Lamar
lay no James is about James to make it fine,
Lamar's Lamar is a great football player that has struggled.
In January, so is Josh Allen. Josh Allen's playoff record
is five and five through ten games. It's funny.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I was going, now, he has I think three playoff
losses to the Chiefs, so whatever, But I was looking
at playoff wins, and again it's a tiny sample size.
It's really not fair. But our guy Mark Sanchez has
four playoff wins. Yeah, will Lamar top four in his career?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
All you need Mat Stafford?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
You want to guess his playoff record.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well with the Rams, it's very good. What is it?
Four and four for his career? Well, he had a
couple of men.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Oh, w and three with the Lions and four and
one with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
You know, I've told you I've made this argument before
on Matt Stafford. Matt Stafford gets to a Super Bowl
this year, Aaron Rodgers does not have a good season
for the Jets. Whole line doesn't protect him. We're gonna
look at those two.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Different Well, yeah, but doesn't Rogers have four MVPs and
Stafford has none.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
One guy potentially has two super bowls. One has one, yeah,
and one was better early and better late.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
You can't get me to say bad stuff about Stafford's
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I love I think he's think, you know, I don't
think that legacy is complete. I think Matt Stafford. I
think this team is so talented and young. If Matt
plays three more years and has two great ones and
a good one and the Errand thing doesn't work, We're
gonna look at these careers differently.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
It is you know, you mentioned Stafford, But Lamar has
two MVPs. He's got a ways to go, but he
is a running quarterback. I think Stafford's probably got a better,
much better case for the Hall of Fame than Lamar
Jackson despite.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
No MVP right now. But Lamar just moved into his prime.
He's yeah, Stafford's gonna. Is Stafford a Hall of Famer
right now? I think he's close. Another super Bowl winner lose,
He's in, so Russell Wilson, No for you know, Matt
Stafford is It's really close. I'd have to look at
the numbers. I think Matt Stafford's knocking at the door.
(31:47):
A super Bowl win was very big. Listen. I think
Matt knows this. I think Matt needs two more really
good seasons with playoff wins, and I'd put him in.
But I think I think both of those guys are in.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
But then again, I'm generous. You're a bit of a hater.
I like to put these guys in the Hall of fame.
I like to get them paid. You're a coastal elite.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Who you hear your ice cream for breakfast?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Dad?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I'm weedies and push ups.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
That's why my dog loves me more than anyone else.
Next up, let's go to the Niners. Still working on
this brand and I you nonsense. Also Trent Williams no contract,
Ayukus holding in. While Williams has been absent from camp,
Kystianahan said yesterday zero updates and nothing has changed. Great
news for my jets in week one. I don't know
what the Niners are going to be. I mean, at
(32:32):
what point do you start to get a little nervous.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
If I don't get nervous with him, I get nervous.
Trent Williams scares me. Yes, I don't care if I
doesn't come back, They'll be fine. I would do everything
I could to get Trent Williams in. They'll be fine.
They'll win games. Listen, they got two rookie receivers. One
of them is going to be good. Kittle Jennings, Debo Christian,
They're fine and pretty moves. So I don't worry about
(32:56):
their offense. I worry about Trent Dill. I worry about
their old line without Trent, which will be a below
average O line. He is the anchor of an ok
offensive Line's a good point.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And brock Perty's got to be a little nervous season
waiting for his big payday after the end of the season.
You know, I Trent Williams, that's not great.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
No left tackle.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I'd slowed down on the big payday.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
He'll have a payday like the candy Bar final story.
Not Judon now a member of the Falcons. But before
the trade was done, apparently the Bears were in the
mix to land the edge rusher. On last night's episode
of Hard Knocks, we saw that GM Ryan Poles had
the framework for a deal in place, but the two
sides did not agree to an extension before the trade,
(33:37):
which was a deal breaker for Chicago. Maybe they saw
that Hassan Reddick nonsense for the Jets and that played
a part. Listen, I like the Bears getting aggressive, going
after guys they wanted to.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I mean, I think we talked about this that we
thought judeon Atlanta and Chicago were the places good teams
with a chance to be really good. So I like him.
He's a little undersized, he wears down at the end
of seasons.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Come off of biceps injury. Not great.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I don't know, he's good player, A big fan.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
But remember the Bears made a move for Sweat last
year and it transformed that defense down the stretch totally.
So maybe there's a I don't know Judon's as good
as Sweat at the lot numbers.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
No, I think Sweat, Sweat bigger, stronger. I think I
think Sweat's the better player.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
It just feels like.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Jalen Johnson's the better player.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I mean Judon and Simmons going to the Falcons down
in the secondary, Like, did that.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Get the pieces in place?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh, Atlanta's good, Atlanta's going in a lot of games.
That's a listen. We have to be honest about this.
Some of this is the division you play in.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, that's why are you with the Bears in that
division and Atlanta and the lot of you here.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Albert Breer, Oh, that Jets think they rarely have a
team not wouldn't be the first time he's gonna say.
I've heard that once. I've heard it thirty times in
the last you know, many years. Uh J Mack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the line.
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If I said to you in the preseason, what do
you absolutely, are you sure of now, I'm not talking
(35:59):
the Chiefs will be good new stuff or things you've seen.
Like yesterday, I made five bold NFL predictions. Can I
give you one? One of them is whether you think
he's gonna be great or not? His cognitive ability, his accuracy,
and his mobility. Is that bow Knicks is gonna work
in this league? Now? Is he gonna win ten games? Now? No?
(36:23):
When I'm watching bow Knicks play, between the Peyton texts,
between what I'm seeing, between his mobility, which is better
than I think people thought. His accuracy is great, you
can't be this buttoned up. Six drives outside of the
one fumble, they've scored on all of them. I absolutely
have no problem saying I don't know if they're gonna
make the playoffs, but do I believe they're gonna be
(36:43):
able to compete with the Chargers and the Chiefs because
of Bonnicks. Absolutely. Remember the Saints were the worst organization
in the league the next year with Peyton ten and
six NFC Championship game. Sean's not somebody that needs a
lot of time. The defense will be the issue again
this year won't be the offense. So Albert Burr was
(37:06):
on earlier this hour, like like on why bow Knicks
looks so good so fast?
Speaker 4 (37:11):
He should be ready to go. This is a guy who
started sixty one games in college. He didn't misspeak there
at sixty one games in college. Yeah, and it was
a multi year starter at two different major conference programs.
It would almost be alarming if he wasn't ready. And
he's shown himself to be a little bit more than that.
And I remember hearing the stories about Peyton being on
(37:33):
the ground, you know, in Eugene when they went to
work him out, and how when Peyton sized him up,
he was bigger in the lower half than he thought
he'd be, and the way the ball came out of
his hands was a little bit different than he thought
it would and really like that was sort of what
sold him.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah. I remember when Dak came out and I pushed
back on this. People went crazy on Dak one game
against the Rams at the coliseum. Remember Rams came back
to La bow Knicks. Now he got multiple PRECS games,
and I see the same thing every time. I don't
understand these people that say they don't have weapons. I
think between I think they have four receivers I would
(38:09):
could and good tight ends. I think you are looking
at that works. It didn't take long to figure out
what Zach Wilson Manny's missing open throws and easy throws.
You saw it very quickly. It didn't take long to
figure out mac Jones maybe less athletic than we thought.
I mean, it didn't take us long Trey Lance accuracy issues.
(38:31):
It doesn't take long quarterback to see a problem.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Oh, I think mac Jones was better in year two,
but then the wheels came off. I'm gonna ask about
another guy, another rookie. You love this knick stuff, Well,
you loved another guy. You love this move by Atlanta
to get Michael Pennix, And I just read that he's
not gonna play in another preseason.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
They sat him down.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
So Kirk Cousins not playing at all in the preseason
coming off the Achilles fine, Michael Penix throws sixteen passes
in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's it. Yeah, Oh Nix has thrown more.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Caleb Williams to throw everybody, all the rookies to throw more.
Who's the backup quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons in Week one?
Taylor Heineke, Who's got experience? And he's played up more
in the preseason than Michael Pennock.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Michael Pennis. They're shutting him down.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Why a rookie?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
He has an injury history. They watched J. J. McCarthy
get hurt and said, no, Moss, we're out on that.
We're just getting out of it.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
So they're operating out of a fear based approach to
life like that.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, caution based. There's a difference between I don't jump
without a parachute out of a plane. Is that fear based?
Speaker 3 (39:31):
You can't run some vanilla plays for Michael Pennock in
a preseason game. The future of the francis this Atlanta stuff?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I I wonder if we could see odds. Is Michael
Pennix inactive for week one and Taylor Heineke's a backup?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I don't know, we'll.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
See I like Pennix a lot, and if houred him,
I'd be super ticked off right now watching Bo Nick's
Thrive and Caleb Williams like Michael Pennock should be.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Starting somewhere and he's buried in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
He's not buried, Okay?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yeah, Yeah, See I had kind of silenced you their coward.
You're like, damn what.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Sometimes I'm so shocked at your bad take. I don't
have an immediate rebuttal.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
The AP story, the Beat writers, they're all wondering, why
aren't we seeing more Penis? Is your rookie going to
be the backup?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
No, Michael Pennix played, looked really good, and they said,
you know what, let's let's not mess around with this.
Sometimes you see something you know it works. It's like,
we've seen enough. Sean Payton said, I saw the sixteenth
throw from bow Knicks. I told the GM I've seen enough.
We got our guy. When you have something, there's no
(40:37):
reason to show it off. Just just sit it down.
Let's get to the opener. Okay, our three next
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