December 27, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin hands out his Blazing Five picks for the penultimate weekend of NFL football. Former NFL head coach Eric Mangini joins the show to discuss the issues surrounding multiple teams, including the Chicago Bears. Too many NFL teams are playing too many games in too few days.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:23):
It is a Friday live in Los Angeles. It's the hurt.
Bring your energy, folks, It's the best time. This is
the best stretch of the year. Last night it was
a stinker. It's the best stretch of the year. Say
what you want. I'm counting the days to pictures and
catchers reporting. I'm all fired up. Jma's been in a
heater with his picks this year. I'll acknowledge it now.
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My picks for divisions and playoffs has been unbelievable. You
have to look at me sometimes and think, how does
coward pick division wins? Is? I look at you sometimes
and think, how do you always get the right team? Well, yeah,
your logic is strong. Just take the best quarterback and
it usually works out.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But by the way, four games in the NBA decided
last night in the final ten seconds, two mid range
game winners to three point game winners.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So maybe they're listening.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Colin say that again. Mid range game winners.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Tyler Hero, your boy mid range game winner and someone
else had won and then two three point game winners.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Exciting night on the hardwood.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I know you were watching. Okay, Blazing five. Been a
rough year. What do you think I'm gonna stop doing this, puppy,
let's go.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Let's blaze it up.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Fired enough, It's.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Colin's Blazing five, sponsored by Draft Games.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Bronco said Bengal listen. I think it's it's my favorite
beat of the week. Broncos plus three and a half half.
I get Sean Payton, a great offensive coach with extra rest,
and I have the Bengals on a little shorter week.
They played a Saturday game. I like Denver. They're seven
to zero against teams with a losing record. They lead
the NFL in sack differential, and that matters. Their second
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in the NFL in sacks because Burrow's offensive line protection
is horrid, So I think Burrow's gonna be under constant duress.
I think bow Knicks will have more time to throw,
and remember, the Bengals have yet to beat a legitimate
number one quarterback this year. It's been Gardner Minshew and
Will Levis and Dorian Thompson Robinson. The Bengals defense is
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bad all the way around. I think Denver take the
points wins at Cincinnati twenty eight to twenty seven. Raiders
at Saints. I don't bet the Saints much, but I'm
gonna take the Saints at home plus one. Why any
team that gets humiliated in a standalone game usually plays
with intensity, especially if they're home. They're coming off a loss.
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They're three and three under their interim coach, and their
losses have been to playoff teams, the Packers and the
Commanders and the Rams. Listen, the Packers are beating up
on a lot of people. Their defense is playing well
ten sacks last three games, and the Raiders offense is
a mnemic under twenty points in six straight games. They've
trailed by ten points in fourteen of their last fifteen
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games this year. So the Raiders get into these huge holes.
I think the Saints will play with intensity. I'm gonna
take the Saints plus one to win twenty four to twenty.
Jad said Bills. I took Buffalo last week. I'm taking
them again. They're seven to zero at home. They played
like crud last week and still won. The Jets injury
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report many of their best players are hurt. The Jets
are falling apart. Listen, here's Buffalo. They don't give the
ball up. You can't get the Josh Allen seven and
two against the Jets, and they're taking the ball away. Meanwhile,
the Jets out scored in the second half against the
Rams thirteen to nothing. Won of six teams one versus six.
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Excuse me against teams with a winning record. I think
they're over their depths here. I'm gonna take Buffalo to
bounce back. I think it's a reasonable division game. It's
not a blowout, but I'm gonna swaddle the nine and
a half points. Lay the points twenty eight seventeen Bills
winning cover Falcons that commander this fields like a jmac
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matt I like the Falcons plus four. It's a primetime
game of two young quarterbacks. Listen, Michael Pennix. The offense
is different. Eight for fourteen on third down. He gets
rid of the ball quickly. It can move. No sacks
by the Giants, and the defense is actually playing well.
Raheem Morris has this defense for Atlanta playing well, third
in the NFL last month with sixteen sacks, and they're
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taking the ball away. The Commanders for their last five
wins have come by five points or fewer. Their defense stinks.
Terry McLaurin will play, but he's banged up. The Falcons
defense is playing very well. A young defense, and Raheem
Morris has got him playing intense football. Upset Baby Falcons
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thirty twenty seven. Upset over the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Ohio State versus or Again.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, I called it before the season. I said take
the Ducks to beat him at Atson and take the
Buckeyes when they meet again. I'm gonna take Ohio State
minus two and a half. Listen, top ten in the
country in yards per play on offense and defense. Ohio
State's got better players. Will Howard criticize them all? You
want second highest completion percentage in the country over seventy
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three percent, thirty six touchdowns, he moves ok and nine picks.
Oregon's had a long layoff. I don't necessarily love that
they could be rusty early. And Penn State dropped thirty
seven points and almost three hundred rushing yards on Oregon.
I don't think you can win a Natty with a
bad defense. Boise State moved the ball on Oregon, penn State,
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Ohio State. Ohio State's defense this season. You saw it
against Tennessee. It's in a class by itself. Ohio State
wins the game. I think it's gonna be wildly entertaining,
but I'm gonna lay the points and take Ohio State
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has heard h EERD when you sign up my bets again,
I'm going for a couple of uts. I think Atlanta
and Michael Pennix is a real thing. The rookie from
Washington gets a w I also like the Broncos and
their rookie quarterback winning on the road, and I'll take
you know what. I'm gonna take the Saints the Bills
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in Ohio State. J MC any thoughts on that you
see you have a strong only real disagreement is I'm
on the Bengals at three but obviously that's a different
line than three and a half. But overall, hey, good stuff, man,
Saints Raiders, that's a that's a thriller. Oh boy, if
I can endure last night's nonsense, I can take that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Sounds like Saints down two, starting offensive lineman Spencer Rattler
under center, undaunted.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
All right, Let's bring on my buddy Eric Man Jeanie
three years Jets head coach and Brown's head coach for
a couple You can see him on first things first,
So I said yesterday, and this is what's great about
the NFL. If you get the coach right, or the
coach and quarterback right, you can go from laughingstock to
good very quickly. And I said, I want to talk
about the Jets. I said, Aaron's played great, very good
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for eight weeks since DeVante came back. I said, I'd
go probably Vrabel Thomas Dematroff the GM. I'd bring Aaron
back for a year or two. I think he's played well.
And I would probably move Garrett Wilson in a weak draft.
He could probably fetch you a second first round pick.
I don't think the Jets are that far off. I
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really don't. I think we always roll our eyes at
the Texans or the Commanders and the Broncos and say, oh,
it's not baseball or the NBA. You get the coach
right in the staff right is my idea for the Jets.
Vrabel Dematroff, move Garrett Wilson. He's unhappy. What do you
make of it?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, I think Brabel's gonna have options, and I don't
necessarily think the Jets are going to be his first choice.
So I'm not sure if you can get that done.
I really like Aaron Glenn as a possibility for the Jets.
He played there, He's been part of the turnaround in Detroit.
I think he's off and I think that would be
good for the organization. On the Aaron front, you'd like
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to keep Aaron because you don't want to deal with
that salary cap hit and be the UH strapped with that.
But Aaron's doing everything he can to get cut. The
fact that Aaron brought up brought up the the the
h I've never been cut by a teenager. I've never
been released by a teenager. That's a direct shot at
the owner. That's legitimizing everything that's been said in that
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organization that's making fun of of how dysfunctional it is.
So to me as soon as he said that that
in my mind st he wants out, but he doesn't
want to retire. Obviously, he wants he wants to get
paid and and and not have to deal with any
of the you know, givebacks that come with retirement. But
ideally you would be able to keep him. You'd be
able to go get a young quarterback. He could compete
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with that young quarterback probably start and and and mentor
that guy. I know that's not really his m but
if we're talking about perfect worlds, uh, you know that
that's what you'd like to say. I think the dysfunction
that's been there for a long time is going to
take a really strong GM that can create a relationship
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with the owner and that can kind of tamper some
of his ideas. And it's also going to take a
strong head coach. And those two guys need to work
in lockstep, because you've got no chance if the GM
as a relationship with the owner but the head coach doesn't,
and if they're not on them on the same page.
And that's been what seems like a problem for quite
a few of these administrations over the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So Chicago, listen, Caleb's thrown for three hundred yards four times.
That's more than josh Allen Mahomes. There's talent there. I mean,
he's got something. Last night I felt pity. I felt
bad for the kid. I think it's a very it's
a loud media, it's a political organization. The owners are
some of the poorest and oldest. Is there a solution?
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Is Vrabel to fit here? Would you go Ben Johnson
for the young? You know, I'm watching Baker get reborn,
and I'm watching Donald and Bryce young and they all
found a young offensive coach. Is Ben Jonson the answer?
In your opinion?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Well, I don't think this is a function of being reborn.
There's a lot of really great quarterbacks that in their
first year weren't very good and were part of bad
teams with terrible records, as opposed to some situations where
Sam Darnold it's taken about seven years for him to
really really kick start things. But I think that the
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difficulty in evaluating Kleb is He's been sacked sixty seven times,
So if he gets sacked five more times the thirteenth
all time. Right now, at sixty seven five more, they'll
be in the top five all time in sacks. And
last night it was like a track meet to see
who could get to him first.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
He had no chance. And then they only.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Run the ball twelve times, even though they're averaging four
point four yards of carry. I didn't really understand that either.
I think you can go in there. You can build
the offensive line. I would put a significant amount of
resources and to solidifying the offensive line. You've got young talent,
I mean, got a young receiver, You've got a young quarterback.
Build that first. You know, in terms of dysfunction organizationally,
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we've seen it happen in Detroit. I think Vrabel would
be a great fit there. I don't think it has
to be an offensive head coach. I think it's got
to be a head coach that has a vision and
then is willing to build from the inside out and
give Caleb a chance to realize on his potential.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah. So there's another story that's come out on Nick Siriani.
We've got like six pieces of video where he has
to be managed. He's confrontational. It's just the opposite of
how I view a coach. A coach should basically put
fires out. I always said this about quarterbacks, Eric that
Wednesday press conference, the big one with the banks behind you.
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You step up on Wednesday, you know it's formidable. It
matters more than your locker room talk. And I see
all this stuff with Sirianni. The idea that a position
coach or a quarterback would have to manage him. Doesn't
it bother you.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
The amazing stat that I read about Nick is that
he's got the highest winning percentage of any active head
coach in the NFL, and he's got the fifth He's
got the fifth best winning percentage all time in the
history of the NFL right now. So those numbers, if
you're looking at success at the position, they're historic. He's
at a historic level. And you know you your job
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as a head coach is to limit distractions, to manage
emotional outbursts, and and he hasn't been one to do that.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Now.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
The flip side of that is he's staying true to
his personality. I get criticized in New York for not
being emotional enough on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
He's got that covered.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
He's taken care of that. And I think there's there's
some sincerity to the way that he acts. Do I
agree with it all the time?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
No? Do.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
I think that this is an organization that can go
in and out of emotional slumps pretty quickly, as we
saw last year.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, but but.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
His numbers have been his numbers has been really, really
good Colin.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, No, I think you know, it's it's funny, and
I think this Sometimes the bottom line in football is winning.
You know, it's not about getting along with your players.
That matters in the NBA, like Mark Jackson got along
with the Warriors, Steve Kirk got along with him better
like getting along with players. And in baseball it's managing
you know, it's managing the analytics and upstairs in the NFL,
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if you win, what am I gonna do? The guy
wins games, And I will say this, it's funny. Philadelphia
is such an emotional city. There's an argument that it's like, well,
they got the most emotional coach, it's the most to go.
It's the most emotional city in a weird way.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Kind yeah, it's like it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, so I'm thinking about Mike McCarthy. It's funny.
When I talked to coaches and they're like, he won
with FARV, super Bowl with Aaron, he wins with Cooper Rash,
he won with Dak. I think he's great, but the
perception is and I think it's because when you coach
the Packers and the Cowboys, your games are all on TV.
The perception is, yeah, this guy is And then you
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start looking at his career and we know Aaron can
be a little divisive. Now we know that very well.
Now how do you view McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Well, I think in this situation, his season is going
to be saved through this last month, and he took
a big step forward to staying last week with the
win that he had. I think if he gets a
you know, one or two wins here the next couple
of weeks, I'd have met me saying it. And look,
he won twelve games three seasons in a row. He's
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won seven games this year with and he's had a
backup quarterback for a significant part of the season. The
Cowboys said they were going to go all in in
the offseason and did nothing. They lost the most starters
they had ever lost in the in the history of
the organization prior to the season, and didn't really replace it.
With anybody. There is all kinds of turmoil with the contracts,
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you know, whether it was Ceedee Lamb or Dak Prescott.
There's that he's been coaching as a lame duck. He's
got a defensive coordinator that that's coaching as a lame duck.
Only got a one year deal, and I think when
you transition with Mike Zimmer, there's gonna be some some
learning curve. His defense is very different than Dan Quinn's,
but it's gotten better as the season's gone on, and
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you see the team is still playing hard. He works
well with the owner. If you go fire a guy,
you've got to, you know, you get a new head coach.
He's got all those learning curves. And then you've got
the learning curve of being able to work with Jerry.
And do you really want to go through that? I don't.
Is this team so far away that next year they
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couldn't be, you know, the easily win the division. I
don't think that that far away.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I want to wrap it up with this because Nick Wright.
I asked Nick the other day who you're working with
the dan First things first, I said, what do you
do with Sam Darnold? And Sam and Nick said, and
I thought it was interesting. He said, it all depends
on the playoffs. The story's not done. Let's not write
the story before it's done. And I look, they brought
in Daniel Jones, they drafted JJ McCarthy, and this week
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the Vikings play at home, they play the Packers, and
you know, Green Bay's on a heater. And I look
at Donald and it's confirmation bias. I wanted him to
be great. He is, so I'm feeling it. But I'm
thinking to myself, if he has a clunker against the Packers,
if he gets bounced in the first round of the playoffs,
you probably let him go to the market. What do
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you think the conversations are you've had these conversations, you've
been a head coach. What are they saying about Donald
behind closed doors in that situation?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I think as well as he's played this season, I
would imagine that the answer there is you franchise them
for one year. You pay the forty million dollars. It's
not a long term commitment. You let McCarthy sit for
another season and learn. Similar to Jordan Love and this
way here, you're kind of getting the best of both worlds.
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You give your young guy another year to develop, you
get to see where he is, You get to you
get the benefit of another season with Sam Darnold without
having to be invested in him for multiple years. And
to me, that's a very reasonable answer for where they are.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I want to throw one more thing at you, J Mackett.
It torments him. He keeps saying the Chiefs are lucky.
And and my take is the Randy Moss Patriots did
not dominate the league in the postseason. The Tyree Kill
Chiefs they went back to back when he wasn't there,
is that sizzle does not win super Bowls, and that
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this is not college football. The margins get tight. It's efficiency,
it's third down, it's fourth down stops, it's having a
great coordinator spags who's on the opposite side of your
head coach's excellence. And that I watched Kansas City and
I think they've pulled away from the league. I think
this game against Pittsburgh, I'm like, Wow, that's scary New England. Similarly,
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when they had their most flash, it wasn't early and late,
it was in the middle, and they couldn't win a
Super Bowl. So your takeaway on the idea that explosive plays.
I think, to be honest with you, sometimes the more
explosive your playmakers, the more they want the ball, and
it disrupts continuity. I think Kansas City is scary now.
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I would want no part of them in the playoffs.
Talk about the lack of sizzle, yet the results are
better than ever to me.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Learning how to win is a skill, and learning how
to win close games is a skill that takes a
long time to develop. And they've been incredibly resilient. And
I was down on early because I didn't think that
Patrick Mahomes was playing up to his level. But now
he's playing better. So they've won in a lot of
different ways. They're playing complimentary football. Patrick Mahomes is starting
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to play you know what, we've what we're used to
seeing him play at. They've added good players as the
season has gone on. They're getting other players back who
weren't participating. That adds weapons to what they're doing. They've
got the number one seed, they've got the buy, they've
got extra time to prepare, and Andy's very good when
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he's got extra time to prepare. This team is a
problem and what they're doing is incredibly special. To win
back to back championships. It's hard, and you have shortened
off seasons and everybody's coming for you. But now to
be where they are in this third year after all
the success they've had, they're as dangerous as anybody is,
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and I think that we should respect the way they're
winning and appreciate it because it's a skill set that
not very many teams have.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Eric Manginie, First things first, he doesn't come to LA anymore.
He's got other assignments in the company. But it's just
I just need an invite.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I just need a friend with a show. So hey,
when does it come out and spend some time? That's
not you know anybody. If you know anybody, let me know.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Happy holidays, Eric mangini Great, all right, Dave launched at
the former Bears coach very tied into that organizations joining
us next hour. J Max got his picks. I don't know.
I think this is the week the blazon five Trump's
all all your gems. You had a very good week
last week, and I stunk as usually.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I mean I did go six and o in headlines,
but who's counting, you know, So they're like, hey, Jake,
can you do another six this week. Like, guys, I
don't need this added pressure, but uh, you're pretty give
give it my all, coward, you.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Got any college bets in there?
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Speaker 1 (22:06):
I was listening. It's interesting. I was listening to a
SoundBite from John Gruden was talking about why he doesn't
like Thursday games and Saturday games and short week games.
I'm going to talk about that before the end of
this hour, but it was fascinating and I heard it
after we jotted some notes down this morning about why
Kansas City and Baltimore were so good playing three games
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in eleven days and everybody else was mostly so awful.
We'll get to that, but first Jmac with a news.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
No news, this is the herd Line news, all right.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
So Colin, we'll start with a mock draft, and that
did not have Schaduur going number one.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I dropped mine on Fox Sports. They were just texting
me about the numbers up. People love a good mock draft.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I love it. I thought your draft. It was fun.
It was on Fox Sports dot Com.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I had cam Ward at number one going to the
New York Giants. I had Schador dropping a six. I
know some Tennessee fans were outreached.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
We would take Shador.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm just telling you guys, Dion's on record here on
this network on a show saying, Hey, if I got
to do stuff behind the scenes and get my kid
in a good spot, I'm gonna do that. Deon Sanders
is not letting Shador go to the Tennessee Titans. Now,
Brian Callahan's a smart offensive guy. I just don't see
it happening. I don't see him going to Cleveland, So
I do think he kind of finesses his son to
the Raiders. By the way, did you know that uh
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Shadour has been with his dad as a coach at
Colorado at Jackson State, and Dion was the offensive coordinator
at Shadur's high school. It's gonna happen in the NFL.
I know people don't want to believe that Dion will
be in the NFL coaching his son eventually. What do
you think a lot of offensive tackles in the top six,
But Colin, we're seeing a rejuvenated running game in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I think there's gonna be a priority on the trenches.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I don't think your cam Mord pick us crazy. He's
got the best arm in the draft, and he's got
a big, physical body. Jalen Milroe. I think it's a
little stronger, but cam Ward is a playmaker, and I
don't think it's crazy. Shadure is polished and more ready
to play today. But we've seen the number two quarterback
take it in drafts be better than the number one quarterback.
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So I think I like your cam Ward pick. I
will say Mason Graham, the defensive interior lineman for the
Michigan Wolverines, to me as a top five six picks.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
He's very good.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
He's I would have a hard time if I was
New England, if I was Cleveland, if I was Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Now he's not Aaron Donald, obviously there's no but he
is really he's in that.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I actually saw him play. It's served by Nanaheim. I
saw his high school stuff, and that's a great program.
They played good teams. He was dominant in college, dominant
in high school. I think that kid can really play.
I had aston gent falling to the Chargers at twenty two.
Maybe a little home cooked, but they need another running
back after Dobbins. They have to get one. And you know,
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I don't think that's a bad pick at all.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Some people will clamor for a wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I had the kid t Mac going to the Cowboys
at fourteen, the kid from Aeronwa. I think, Okay, that's
an interesting pick. So I think he's a top six
or seven pick. And I'm not prone to like receivers
in the first round. I know a kid that plays
with him at Arizona, and I think t Mac is
a sensational start day one, productive day one college to
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pro receiver. And if you're looking for one other guy
the Jalen Noro situation, Colin, you think he's a first rounder, right, absolutely,
Like there's some questions around time I'm going he is.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I had him going to Seattle. Listen, Seahawks fans have
to be done with Geno Smith. He's maxed out, He's
hit his ceiling. Yeah, you've got to do something. Maybe
you go Sam Darnold, or you draft Noroe and develop him.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah. My people like Milroe. He is a bit mechanical,
but when he lets the ball go, it gets to
its intended target. He doesn't do a lot of mid
range stuff. He's good on short stuff and deep stuff.
He's not good in the middle of the field. But
I think, again, you have to develop that. I his
comp is a much more refined Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, just don't watch it's the Oklahoma tape. He was like,
that guy's undraftable.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
What was that.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I watched the first half of that game and was
jaw dropping at the Georgia game. Go watch Georgia game.
He was amazing. They're running the arm. Oh, this guy's
I've been told that he drives. He's there. Kaalin de
bor is kind of flummixed at his inconsistency. But great kid,
good family, great body. Uh throws a wonderful deep ball.
(26:26):
There's a lot to like. Yeah. Next up is the
Denver Broncos. Listen, you were earlier on the Broncos than
pretty much anyone. I think Vegas had the wind total
at five and a half and I said it's going
to be closer to eight to nine.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
You said it was a great bet.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Well, another guy who agrees with you is Denver offensive
tackle Mike McGlinchey. He said the Broncos expected this so
I wouldn't say so much pressure as it is excitement
to achieve the goal we set out to achieve. But
you want to make sure you stay in the process.
You don't want to make the game too big, too small.
It's not the Catalina wine mixer.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You just want day by day control which you can
control and execute to the best of your ability.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And that's what we're gonna try to do.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
And uh, you know why I like them boxes head coach, offensive,
great left tackle, one big time weapon, excellent pass rusher,
elite corner boxes. It's why I think the Jets, potentially
with the right coach, GM checked the right boxes to
be the Denver Broncos of this season. To those Shun
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Payton on the market and Rabel ain't no Shan Payton.
I am curious this bow Knicks. There's some numbers out
there floating around. A lot of his numbers are inflated
by playing dregs of the league, which he's cooking against it.
By the way, Jaden Daniels and bow Knicks have beaten
a lot of mediocre teams. That is absolutely fair. But
when you're a rookie quarterback, I'll take you take it.
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Just win a couple of games. So the tough part
is are the Bengals dregs of the league or are
they okay?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And our defense is bottom of the barrel?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Could catch wind here.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Also, Broncos get a big boy pass rush and Bengals
o line. Can you imagine having somebody as good as
Joe Burrow and not taking care of the offensive.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Now they're trying. They drafted MEM's who's been very good.
I don't think the other guy Brown could stay healthy.
They just nothing they do on the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Has really worked. Maybe that's part of why Burroughs ticked off. Guys,
I'm getting murdered back here. You think it is? Joe's
the only great quarterback that won't make the playoffs if
they can't beat Denver. I mean there are still it's
an uphill battle, but he's the only great one. If
you're a great quarterback in this league, you generally find
a way to get in.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
This game is fascinating Broncos Bengals. So, sir Tan, do
you have him follow Jamar Chase everywhere?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
He goes everywhere?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So t Higgins is banged up, He's in and out
of rackets. This week not good, so.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You could be onto something with Broncos three and a half.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Final story Colin is the Cowboys have shut down Ceedee
Lamb for the season.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
They lost their highly paid quarterback and their highly paid
wide receiver and Mike McCarthy is expected to return to
Dallas next season.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Never adult with Jerry and company.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, stay away game for me, but yeah, I'm not.
I think the move for Dallas in the offseason. I
actually love the off season in the NFL. I love
doing shows in March. I think it's fun. You. I
think you're same way. We both love the draft. I
think the move here is Micah Parsons in a week draft.
It is a week draft. MI could get you a
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first and a fourth. And I think if the Dallas
Cowboys can get two first round picks, go get either
team ac at Arizona or the Boise State running back.
Get Dak help go replace him. It's a good edge
rusher draft. Go get somebody to replace Micah Parsons. And
I think you can fortify Dak. I mean, if you're
gonna pay Dak the money, you got to make sure
he's productive. And I think that's the move. I don't
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think McCarthy to the beach and given some whiz kid
the control is the answer. I think the answer is
trading a star who's a really good player. I said
this about Garrett Wilson and the Jets. It's a week draft.
Micah maybe just gets a late first and a great draft,
but I think he gets a mid first and a
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mid third or a fourth in a week draft. Same
with Garrett Wilson for the Jets. You don't get a
lot of drafts that are universally considered weak drafts. This
is one of them. Take advantage of it. I wonder
you just said something about McCarthy and whiz kids. Is
Jerry Jones keeping McCarthy because he can't find anyone better? No,
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I think has McCarthy done enough to save his job
because I don't know, is there someone out there better
than McCarthy. I don't think Rabel's taking this job. I
pay my quarterback sixty MILLI. I think McCarthy's a nice guy.
I think Jerry has always been prone to give coaches
Jason Garrett McCarthy a Chan Gaily an extra year. Jerry
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wants to be relevant, and I think Jerry privately acknowledges
some of his moves have not helped the team. So
I didn't think they had a great draft this last draft.
I think they have to take a big swing, and
that swing is Micah on the market and accumulate some
draft picks and get Dak help.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
So let me slip it. Jerry comes to McCarthy, Hey, Mike,
we want you back. Here's a contract. What if McCarthy
goes we had a good run here. I think I'm done.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Would McCarthy move on because he's got to deal with
Jerry multiple interviews? This is really interesting. Does McCarthy say,
I think I could go to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I could go Jacksonville if it gets open.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
No, I think it's gonna be open. I think this
is very interesting. Could Mike move off? Yeah, I don't
need the headache of Jerry Jones stirring up stuff every week.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
There's like drama every every week in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
But I do think Mike McCarthy with the Cowboys. I
wouldn't be shocked if Mike goes to the broadcast booth.
Everybody likes Mike. Mike's a nice guy. I could see him.
You coach it. Jason Garrett ended up in a broadcast booth.
Jimmy Johnson ended up in a broadcast booth. It's not
just quarterbacks in Dallas end up making seven figures talking
about football, it's coaches. Bill Parcells, by the way, did
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some broadcast stuff. He just brought o golf and hang
out and do other things.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Better job Saints or Cowboys Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Jets are cowboys cowboys. Bears are cowboys Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I must be missing something.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I didn't think it's a great job right now, as
the team is presently constructed with your owner who's doing
multiple radio interviews every week.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
And putting heat on you all the time.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Heat is part of being a coach.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Not New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's not nice. You don't want heat. Go coach Jacksonville. Congratulations,
go disappear.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Hey, I hoped twenty four to seven in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
It's called waffle house.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
The waffle house.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
If you don't know how to find Jacksonville, fly to Atlanta.
Follow the waffle houses. You'll get the j Bills. J
Mack with a news.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
By the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I think that's an interesting question. Give me another two
or three jobs and I'll give you Cowboys or better.
I think the Cowboys job is not the best job,
but it's a very good job. Giants runoff Dable, they
get the number one payboys and they say McCarthy, who
do you want, cam or Shador. I'm talking about franchises.
I think Dallas right now is a better job than
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the New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
With Dak Prescott as the highest paid quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Cooper Rush and Dak Prescott can win about seventy percent
of their games. Now, what's a better job than the Cowboys? Philadelphia?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Oh yeah, it's Siriotti.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Owners GM And I'm not just talking players. I think
Philadelphia is a better job. If I was on the market,
I would take Philadelphia. I think Philadelphia. I think Kansas City.
The Hunt family has been how often. I think the Packers'
job's a great job. I think Baltimore is an unbelievable
I think the Rams with Cronky's a great job. Oh, Cincinnati,
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Zach not interested, not interested, not interested in coaching. Joe Burrow,
Joe Burrow gets hurt, ownership, front office worries me. There's
about seven great jobs in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Drake, may do you like him enough that if I like.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Robert Craft, I would take got fill in the door. Yes, yes,
you would leave Cowboys for Patriots. No, no, no, that's
a different question. This is let me give you the
seven best jobs in the NFL, no order. I'm just
gonna give you the seven. We'll start, We'll start Left
Coast Niners. The great job, Ram Stan Cronkie, great job,
great ownership situations in a recent history of winning. I
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think I'll be I've said this for years. I think
Denver's always been an underrated and I think it's Pittsburgh
with mountains. I think Denver's underrated. Now you've got the
richest owners. Sean Payton loves it. I think Green Bay
is great. I think Dallas is very good. I think
the Craft family, Philadelphia and New England case Kansas City's excellent.
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Hunt family has been great for every Dolphins. Now, how
many have I named? Eight?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
That's seven or eight?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, I'm named eight. Oh, Baltimore, Baltimore, my bad Baltimore.
Maybe the band great ownership. So there's nine jobs in
this league that I if they're open, take the job
and figure everything else out later.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Harbaugh took Chargers because of Herbert.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Right, and I think I don't think the Spanos is
in the nine. But I also don't think it's it's
middle or bought. I think the Chargers are closer to
the top. They have a very good situation with SOFI financially,
they don't meddle. They're nice people. I know them. They're
nice people. And by the way, you get a you
get to live in Los Angeles and you get Justin Herbert. Yeah,
(35:33):
I also think Atlanta is underrated. I think I think
Tampa's underrated. I know the Glazer family good people, and
I think Jason Light's one of the best jams in
the league. I think that's an underrated job. So there's
a dozen jobs in this league that are pretty Minnesota
that's a good call. Will family is low maintenance. They
don't get in the way of anything. That's a good call.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Minnesota is it gone bullets on O'Connell, just what he's
wanting to do.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But again, when I'm talking about a job, who owns it?
It's the history? Is their meddling? Are they well capitalized
that there's some good jobs and Minnesota is one of that.
By the way, now I'll give you another one Buffalo
now is a good job. I like the GM and
I like the owner.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
But sometimes it's not a good job until you make
it a good job.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Like the Patriots wasn't a good job, right, that's fair,
and then Belichick shows up and crushed. Oh it might
have been someone right before that. But yeah, sometimes you
can make the job good. Now. The Craft family, a
lot of people will say privately, they're a little cheap.
I've heard that before. I don't know that to be true,
but there's an argument that Gerad Mayo was affordable and
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they paid Belichick a fortune and it was like, you know,
we're going to scale back on that. That's what I've heard.
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Speaker 1 (36:53):
Syracuse against Washington State. The action kicks off tonight at
seven thirty Eastern on five. So it's interesting. I was
listening to John Gruden talk that he didn't like short
week games, and one of the things he said is
that you can't add any new wrinkles. When you have
a short week, it just comes down to who's got
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the best players. And I think you've seen this. So
a total of nine teams this year have played three
games in eleven days. What a shock. The Ravens and
the Chiefs are the only ones to go three to zero,
whereas the Seahawks, Saint Steelers and Bears went on three.
I don't like short week games, even Amazons. It's fine,
We're okay. I like something to do on a Thursday night.
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But I think the problem is the NFL's always done
a really good job to keep everybody kind of close.
This year has been wild. We have three teams that
are gonna end up with thirteen wins only one last year.
We're gonna end up with ten teams nine or ten
teams with five wins or fewer. Last year it was
only five. So the top half is stronger, the bottom's
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a mess. It's got a very NBA feel, And I
think the reason is you got games on any any
day that ends in why has a game in it.
We got Wednesday games, Thursday games, Friday games, Saturday games.
And when you do this short rest, it's a huge
advantage having a superstar quarterback like Patrick Mahomes and Lamar
And you can even have a good roster like Seattle.
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If you got Geno Smith, you're owing three. And it's
something I think about is that one of the strengths
of the NFL has always been everybody's kind of close
in the middle. This year you got a two win team.
I think you got five three win teams. You got
three four win teams. Look at the losing streaks that
are happening in the NFL right now. There's teams losing seven, eight, nine,
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ten games in a row. It's a mess. That's not
the NFL. So as they're they're doing this money grab
from Amazon and Netflix, which you know, I get it,
the owners want the money. It feels like there's there's
a separation. Is that short weeks punish average rosters or
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thin rosters. One of the string to the NFL has
always been it's a coaching sport. And if you can
give a team that doesn't quite have the players or
the star quarterback, but you give them six days of
prep and film and tricks and be clever, they can
keep it close or they can upset. But now the
best feel, I mean, I'm watching that Chiefs win and
they were so dominant over Pittsburgh. Is I mean they
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just separated from the league and nobody's beaten Kansas City.
If that's the version I get. Now, they've got Hollywood Brown,
Xavier Worthy, Matters, Pacheco is back, they're settled at left tackle,
their defense with spags is great. Here goes Travis Kelsey
to explode. And I'm not saying you're gonna get perfect rest.
It's not the playoffs, but the short I mean, just
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look at the numbers. The short rest games clearly benefit
teams like the Ravens and the Chiefs, and Eric Mangini
talked about it earlier. Today is Kansas City. I know
it was short week, and maybe I'm hyperbolic here, but
I don't see anybody beating them.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
What they're doing is incredibly special. To win back to
back championships, it's hard, and you have shortened off seasons
and everybody's coming for you. But now to be where
they are in this third year, after all the success
they've had, they're as dangerous as anybody is, and I
think that we should respect the way they're winning and
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appreciate it because it's a skill set that not very
many teams have.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah. No, I've compared them to New England, where you have,
simultaneously between Belichick, Josh McDaniel and Brady, you had the
greatest defensive coach, the best offensive coordinator, and the best quarterback.
And that's what they have in Kansas City. That's why
they're so good. Situationally. They got the best offensive coach,
they got the best defensive coordinator, the opposite skill set
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of the head coach, and the best quarterback. And what
you're seeing here stability and ownership, solid front offices. It's
a tough out. I mean, I think a better is
the Lions winning it emotional Nick Sirianni winning it, Buffalo
winning it, Baltimore Lamar Jackson finally breaks through. But you
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start watching Kansas City, that Pittsburgh win, that was just devastating.
If I'm Buffalo and Baltimore and looking at that win,
it's like it's intimidating situationally, Roster, Roland, all of it.
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It is a Friday live in Los Angeles. It's the hurt.
Bring your energy, folks, It's the best time. This is
the best stretch of the year. Last night it was
a stinker. It's the best stretch of the year. Say
what you want. I'm counting the days to pictures and
catchers reporting. I'm all fired up. Jma's been in a
heater with his picks this year. I'll acknowledge it now.
(00:43):
My picks for divisions and playoffs has been unbelievable. You
have to look at me sometimes and think, how does
coward pick division wins? Is? I look at you sometimes
and think, how do you always get the right team? Well, yeah,
your logic is strong. Just take the best quarterback and
it usually works out.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But by the way, four games in the NBA decided
last night in the final ten seconds, two mid range
game winners to three point game winners.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So maybe they're listening.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Colin say that again. Mid range game winners.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Tyler Hero, your boy mid range game winner and someone
else had won and then two three point game winners.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Exciting night on the hardwood.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I know you were watching. Okay, Blazing five. Been a
rough year. What do you think I'm gonna stop doing this, puppy,
let's go.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Let's blaze it up.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Fired enough, It's.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
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Speaker 1 (01:33):
Bronco said Bengal listen. I think it's it's my favorite
beat of the week. Broncos plus three and a half half.
I get Sean Payton, a great offensive coach with extra rest,
and I have the Bengals on a little shorter week.
They played a Saturday game. I like Denver. They're seven
to zero against teams with a losing record. They lead
the NFL in sack differential, and that matters. Their second
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in the NFL in sacks because Burrow's offensive line protection
is horrid, So I think Burrow's gonna be under constant duress.
I think bow Knicks will have more time to throw,
and remember, the Bengals have yet to beat a legitimate
number one quarterback this year. It's been Gardner Minshew and
Will Levis and Dorian Thompson Robinson. The Bengals defense is
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bad all the way around. I think Denver take the
points wins at Cincinnati twenty eight to twenty seven. Raiders
at Saints. I don't bet the Saints much, but I'm
gonna take the Saints at home plus one. Why any
team that gets humiliated in a standalone game usually plays
with intensity, especially if they're home. They're coming off a loss.
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They're three and three under their interim coach, and their
losses have been to playoff teams, the Packers and the
Commanders and the Rams. Listen, the Packers are beating up
on a lot of people. Their defense is playing well
ten sacks last three games, and the Raiders offense is
a mnemic under twenty points in six straight games. They've
trailed by ten points in fourteen of their last fifteen
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games this year. So the Raiders get into these huge holes.
I think the Saints will play with intensity. I'm gonna
take the Saints plus one to win twenty four to twenty.
Jad said Bills. I took Buffalo last week. I'm taking
them again. They're seven to zero at home. They played
like crud last week and still won. The Jets injury
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report many of their best players are hurt. The Jets
are falling apart. Listen, here's Buffalo. They don't give the
ball up. You can't get the Josh Allen seven and
two against the Jets, and they're taking the ball away. Meanwhile,
the Jets out scored in the second half against the
Rams thirteen to nothing. Won of six teams one versus six.
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Excuse me against teams with a winning record. I think
they're over their depths here. I'm gonna take Buffalo to
bounce back. I think it's a reasonable division game. It's
not a blowout, but I'm gonna swaddle the nine and
a half points. Lay the points twenty eight seventeen Bills
winning cover Falcons that commander this fields like a jmac
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matt I like the Falcons plus four. It's a primetime
game of two young quarterbacks. Listen, Michael Pennix. The offense
is different. Eight for fourteen on third down. He gets
rid of the ball quickly. It can move. No sacks
by the Giants, and the defense is actually playing well.
Raheem Morris has this defense for Atlanta playing well, third
in the NFL last month with sixteen sacks, and they're
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taking the ball away. The Commanders for their last five
wins have come by five points or fewer. Their defense stinks.
Terry McLaurin will play, but he's banged up. The Falcons
defense is playing very well. A young defense, and Raheem
Morris has got him playing intense football. Upset Baby Falcons
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thirty twenty seven. Upset over the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Ohio State versus or Again.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, I called it before the season. I said take
the Ducks to beat him at Atson and take the
Buckeyes when they meet again. I'm gonna take Ohio State
minus two and a half. Listen, top ten in the
country in yards per play on offense and defense. Ohio
State's got better players. Will Howard criticize them all? You
want second highest completion percentage in the country over seventy
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three percent, thirty six touchdowns, he moves ok and nine picks.
Oregon's had a long layoff. I don't necessarily love that
they could be rusty early. And Penn State dropped thirty
seven points and almost three hundred rushing yards on Oregon.
I don't think you can win a Natty with a
bad defense. Boise State moved the ball on Oregon, penn State,
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Ohio State. Ohio State's defense this season. You saw it
against Tennessee. It's in a class by itself. Ohio State
wins the game. I think it's gonna be wildly entertaining,
but I'm gonna lay the points and take Ohio State
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has heard h EERD when you sign up my bets again,
I'm going for a couple of uts. I think Atlanta
and Michael Pennix is a real thing. The rookie from
Washington gets a w I also like the Broncos and
their rookie quarterback winning on the road, and I'll take
you know what. I'm gonna take the Saints the Bills
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in Ohio State. J MC any thoughts on that you
see you have a strong only real disagreement is I'm
on the Bengals at three but obviously that's a different
line than three and a half. But overall, hey, good stuff, man,
Saints Raiders, that's a that's a thriller. Oh boy, if
I can endure last night's nonsense, I can take that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Sounds like Saints down two, starting offensive lineman Spencer Rattler
under center, undaunted.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
All right, Let's bring on my buddy Eric Man Jeanie
three years Jets head coach and Brown's head coach for
a couple You can see him on first things first,
So I said yesterday, and this is what's great about
the NFL. If you get the coach right, or the
coach and quarterback right, you can go from laughingstock to
good very quickly. And I said, I want to talk
about the Jets. I said, Aaron's played great, very good
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for eight weeks since DeVante came back. I said, I'd
go probably Vrabel Thomas Dematroff the GM. I'd bring Aaron
back for a year or two. I think he's played well.
And I would probably move Garrett Wilson in a weak draft.
He could probably fetch you a second first round pick.
I don't think the Jets are that far off. I
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really don't. I think we always roll our eyes at
the Texans or the Commanders and the Broncos and say, oh,
it's not baseball or the NBA. You get the coach
right in the staff right is my idea for the Jets.
Vrabel Dematroff, move Garrett Wilson. He's unhappy. What do you
make of it?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, I think Brabel's gonna have options, and I don't
necessarily think the Jets are going to be his first choice.
So I'm not sure if you can get that done.
I really like Aaron Glenn as a possibility for the Jets.
He played there, He's been part of the turnaround in Detroit.
I think he's off and I think that would be
good for the organization. On the Aaron front, you'd like
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to keep Aaron because you don't want to deal with
that salary cap hit and be the UH strapped with that.
But Aaron's doing everything he can to get cut. The
fact that Aaron brought up brought up the the the
h I've never been cut by a teenager. I've never
been released by a teenager. That's a direct shot at
the owner. That's legitimizing everything that's been said in that
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organization that's making fun of of how dysfunctional it is.
So to me as soon as he said that that
in my mind st he wants out, but he doesn't
want to retire. Obviously, he wants he wants to get
paid and and and not have to deal with any
of the you know, givebacks that come with retirement. But
ideally you would be able to keep him. You'd be
able to go get a young quarterback. He could compete
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with that young quarterback probably start and and and mentor
that guy. I know that's not really his m but
if we're talking about perfect worlds, uh, you know that
that's what you'd like to say. I think the dysfunction
that's been there for a long time is going to
take a really strong GM that can create a relationship
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with the owner and that can kind of tamper some
of his ideas. And it's also going to take a
strong head coach. And those two guys need to work
in lockstep, because you've got no chance if the GM
as a relationship with the owner but the head coach doesn't,
and if they're not on them on the same page.
And that's been what seems like a problem for quite
a few of these administrations over the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So Chicago, listen, Caleb's thrown for three hundred yards four times.
That's more than josh Allen Mahomes. There's talent there. I mean,
he's got something. Last night I felt pity. I felt
bad for the kid. I think it's a very it's
a loud media, it's a political organization. The owners are
some of the poorest and oldest. Is there a solution?
(09:54):
Is Vrabel to fit here? Would you go Ben Johnson
for the young? You know, I'm watching Baker get reborn,
and I'm watching Donald and Bryce young and they all
found a young offensive coach. Is Ben Jonson the answer?
In your opinion?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Well, I don't think this is a function of being reborn.
There's a lot of really great quarterbacks that in their
first year weren't very good and were part of bad
teams with terrible records, as opposed to some situations where
Sam Darnold it's taken about seven years for him to
really really kick start things. But I think that the
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difficulty in evaluating Kleb is He's been sacked sixty seven times,
So if he gets sacked five more times the thirteenth
all time. Right now, at sixty seven five more, they'll
be in the top five all time in sacks. And
last night it was like a track meet to see
who could get to him first.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
He had no chance. And then they only.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Run the ball twelve times, even though they're averaging four
point four yards of carry. I didn't really understand that either.
I think you can go in there. You can build
the offensive line. I would put a significant amount of
resources and to solidifying the offensive line. You've got young talent,
I mean, got a young receiver, You've got a young quarterback.
Build that first. You know, in terms of dysfunction organizationally,
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we've seen it happen in Detroit. I think Vrabel would
be a great fit there. I don't think it has
to be an offensive head coach. I think it's got
to be a head coach that has a vision and
then is willing to build from the inside out and
give Caleb a chance to realize on his potential.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah. So there's another story that's come out on Nick Siriani.
We've got like six pieces of video where he has
to be managed. He's confrontational. It's just the opposite of
how I view a coach. A coach should basically put
fires out. I always said this about quarterbacks, Eric that
Wednesday press conference, the big one with the banks behind you.
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You step up on Wednesday, you know it's formidable. It
matters more than your locker room talk. And I see
all this stuff with Sirianni. The idea that a position
coach or a quarterback would have to manage him. Doesn't
it bother you.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
The amazing stat that I read about Nick is that
he's got the highest winning percentage of any active head
coach in the NFL, and he's got the fifth He's
got the fifth best winning percentage all time in the
history of the NFL right now. So those numbers, if
you're looking at success at the position, they're historic. He's
at a historic level. And you know you your job
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as a head coach is to limit distractions, to manage
emotional outbursts, and and he hasn't been one to do that.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Now.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
The flip side of that is he's staying true to
his personality. I get criticized in New York for not
being emotional enough on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
He's got that covered.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
He's taken care of that. And I think there's there's
some sincerity to the way that he acts. Do I
agree with it all the time?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
No? Do.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
I think that this is an organization that can go
in and out of emotional slumps pretty quickly, as we
saw last year.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, but but.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
His numbers have been his numbers has been really, really
good Colin.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, No, I think you know, it's it's funny, and
I think this Sometimes the bottom line in football is winning.
You know, it's not about getting along with your players.
That matters in the NBA, like Mark Jackson got along
with the Warriors, Steve Kirk got along with him better
like getting along with players. And in baseball it's managing
you know, it's managing the analytics and upstairs in the NFL,
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if you win, what am I gonna do? The guy
wins games, And I will say this, it's funny. Philadelphia
is such an emotional city. There's an argument that it's like, well,
they got the most emotional coach, it's the most to go.
It's the most emotional city in a weird way.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Kind yeah, it's like it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, so I'm thinking about Mike McCarthy. It's funny.
When I talked to coaches and they're like, he won
with FARV, super Bowl with Aaron, he wins with Cooper Rash,
he won with Dak. I think he's great, but the
perception is and I think it's because when you coach
the Packers and the Cowboys, your games are all on TV.
The perception is, yeah, this guy is And then you
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start looking at his career and we know Aaron can
be a little divisive. Now we know that very well.
Now how do you view McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Well, I think in this situation, his season is going
to be saved through this last month, and he took
a big step forward to staying last week with the
win that he had. I think if he gets a
you know, one or two wins here the next couple
of weeks, I'd have met me saying it. And look,
he won twelve games three seasons in a row. He's
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won seven games this year with and he's had a
backup quarterback for a significant part of the season. The
Cowboys said they were going to go all in in
the offseason and did nothing. They lost the most starters
they had ever lost in the in the history of
the organization prior to the season, and didn't really replace it.
With anybody. There is all kinds of turmoil with the contracts,
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you know, whether it was Ceedee Lamb or Dak Prescott.
There's that he's been coaching as a lame duck. He's
got a defensive coordinator that that's coaching as a lame duck.
Only got a one year deal, and I think when
you transition with Mike Zimmer, there's gonna be some some
learning curve. His defense is very different than Dan Quinn's,
but it's gotten better as the season's gone on, and
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you see the team is still playing hard. He works
well with the owner. If you go fire a guy,
you've got to, you know, you get a new head coach.
He's got all those learning curves. And then you've got
the learning curve of being able to work with Jerry.
And do you really want to go through that? I don't.
Is this team so far away that next year they
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couldn't be, you know, the easily win the division. I
don't think that that far away.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I want to wrap it up with this because Nick Wright.
I asked Nick the other day who you're working with
the dan First things first, I said, what do you
do with Sam Darnold? And Sam and Nick said, and
I thought it was interesting. He said, it all depends
on the playoffs. The story's not done. Let's not write
the story before it's done. And I look, they brought
in Daniel Jones, they drafted JJ McCarthy, and this week
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the Vikings play at home, they play the Packers, and
you know, Green Bay's on a heater. And I look
at Donald and it's confirmation bias. I wanted him to
be great. He is, so I'm feeling it. But I'm
thinking to myself, if he has a clunker against the Packers,
if he gets bounced in the first round of the playoffs,
you probably let him go to the market. What do
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you think the conversations are you've had these conversations, you've
been a head coach. What are they saying about Donald
behind closed doors in that situation?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I think as well as he's played this season, I
would imagine that the answer there is you franchise them
for one year. You pay the forty million dollars. It's
not a long term commitment. You let McCarthy sit for
another season and learn. Similar to Jordan Love and this
way here, you're kind of getting the best of both worlds.
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You give your young guy another year to develop, you
get to see where he is, You get to you
get the benefit of another season with Sam Darnold without
having to be invested in him for multiple years. And
to me, that's a very reasonable answer for where they are.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I want to throw one more thing at you, J Mackett.
It torments him. He keeps saying the Chiefs are lucky.
And and my take is the Randy Moss Patriots did
not dominate the league in the postseason. The Tyree Kill
Chiefs they went back to back when he wasn't there,
is that sizzle does not win super Bowls, and that
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this is not college football. The margins get tight. It's efficiency,
it's third down, it's fourth down stops, it's having a
great coordinator spags who's on the opposite side of your
head coach's excellence. And that I watched Kansas City and
I think they've pulled away from the league. I think
this game against Pittsburgh, I'm like, Wow, that's scary New England. Similarly,
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when they had their most flash, it wasn't early and late,
it was in the middle, and they couldn't win a
Super Bowl. So your takeaway on the idea that explosive plays.
I think, to be honest with you, sometimes the more
explosive your playmakers, the more they want the ball, and
it disrupts continuity. I think Kansas City is scary now.
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I would want no part of them in the playoffs.
Talk about the lack of sizzle, yet the results are
better than ever to me.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Learning how to win is a skill, and learning how
to win close games is a skill that takes a
long time to develop. And they've been incredibly resilient. And
I was down on early because I didn't think that
Patrick Mahomes was playing up to his level. But now
he's playing better. So they've won in a lot of
different ways. They're playing complimentary football. Patrick Mahomes is starting
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to play you know what, we've what we're used to
seeing him play at. They've added good players as the
season has gone on. They're getting other players back who
weren't participating. That adds weapons to what they're doing. They've
got the number one seed, they've got the buy, they've
got extra time to prepare, and Andy's very good when
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he's got extra time to prepare. This team is a
problem and what they're doing is incredibly special. To win
back to back championships. It's hard, and you have shortened
off seasons and everybody's coming for you. But now to
be where they are in this third year after all
the success they've had, they're as dangerous as anybody is,
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and I think that we should respect the way they're
winning and appreciate it because it's a skill set that
not very many teams have.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Eric Manginie, First things first, he doesn't come to LA anymore.
He's got other assignments in the company. But it's just
I just need an invite.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I just need a friend with a show. So hey,
when does it come out and spend some time? That's
not you know anybody. If you know anybody, let me know.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Happy holidays, Eric mangini Great, all right, Dave launched at
the former Bears coach very tied into that organizations joining
us next hour. J Max got his picks. I don't know.
I think this is the week the blazon five Trump's
all all your gems. You had a very good week
last week, and I stunk as usually.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I mean I did go six and o in headlines,
but who's counting, you know, So they're like, hey, Jake,
can you do another six this week. Like, guys, I
don't need this added pressure, but uh, you're pretty give
give it my all, coward, you.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Got any college bets in there?
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Speaker 1 (22:06):
I was listening. It's interesting. I was listening to a
SoundBite from John Gruden was talking about why he doesn't
like Thursday games and Saturday games and short week games.
I'm going to talk about that before the end of
this hour, but it was fascinating and I heard it
after we jotted some notes down this morning about why
Kansas City and Baltimore were so good playing three games
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in eleven days and everybody else was mostly so awful.
We'll get to that, but first Jmac with a news.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
No news, this is the herd Line news, all right.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
So Colin, we'll start with a mock draft, and that
did not have Schaduur going number one.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I dropped mine on Fox Sports. They were just texting
me about the numbers up. People love a good mock draft.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I love it. I thought your draft. It was fun.
It was on Fox Sports dot Com.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I had cam Ward at number one going to the
New York Giants. I had Schador dropping a six. I
know some Tennessee fans were outreached.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
We would take Shador.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm just telling you guys, Dion's on record here on
this network on a show saying, Hey, if I got
to do stuff behind the scenes and get my kid
in a good spot, I'm gonna do that. Deon Sanders
is not letting Shador go to the Tennessee Titans. Now,
Brian Callahan's a smart offensive guy. I just don't see
it happening. I don't see him going to Cleveland, So
I do think he kind of finesses his son to
the Raiders. By the way, did you know that uh
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Shadour has been with his dad as a coach at
Colorado at Jackson State, and Dion was the offensive coordinator
at Shadur's high school. It's gonna happen in the NFL.
I know people don't want to believe that Dion will
be in the NFL coaching his son eventually. What do
you think a lot of offensive tackles in the top six,
But Colin, we're seeing a rejuvenated running game in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I think there's gonna be a priority on the trenches.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I don't think your cam Mord pick us crazy. He's
got the best arm in the draft, and he's got
a big, physical body. Jalen Milroe. I think it's a
little stronger, but cam Ward is a playmaker, and I
don't think it's crazy. Shadure is polished and more ready
to play today. But we've seen the number two quarterback
take it in drafts be better than the number one quarterback.
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So I think I like your cam Ward pick. I
will say Mason Graham, the defensive interior lineman for the
Michigan Wolverines, to me as a top five six picks.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
He's very good.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
He's I would have a hard time if I was
New England, if I was Cleveland, if I was Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Now he's not Aaron Donald, obviously there's no but he
is really he's in that.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I actually saw him play. It's served by Nanaheim. I
saw his high school stuff, and that's a great program.
They played good teams. He was dominant in college, dominant
in high school. I think that kid can really play.
I had aston gent falling to the Chargers at twenty two.
Maybe a little home cooked, but they need another running
back after Dobbins. They have to get one. And you know,
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I don't think that's a bad pick at all.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Some people will clamor for a wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I had the kid t Mac going to the Cowboys
at fourteen, the kid from Aeronwa. I think, Okay, that's
an interesting pick. So I think he's a top six
or seven pick. And I'm not prone to like receivers
in the first round. I know a kid that plays
with him at Arizona, and I think t Mac is
a sensational start day one, productive day one college to
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pro receiver. And if you're looking for one other guy
the Jalen Noro situation, Colin, you think he's a first rounder, right, absolutely,
Like there's some questions around time I'm going he is.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I had him going to Seattle. Listen, Seahawks fans have
to be done with Geno Smith. He's maxed out, He's
hit his ceiling. Yeah, you've got to do something. Maybe
you go Sam Darnold, or you draft Noroe and develop him.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah. My people like Milroe. He is a bit mechanical,
but when he lets the ball go, it gets to
its intended target. He doesn't do a lot of mid
range stuff. He's good on short stuff and deep stuff.
He's not good in the middle of the field. But
I think, again, you have to develop that. I his
comp is a much more refined Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, just don't watch it's the Oklahoma tape. He was like,
that guy's undraftable.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
What was that.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I watched the first half of that game and was
jaw dropping at the Georgia game. Go watch Georgia game.
He was amazing. They're running the arm. Oh, this guy's
I've been told that he drives. He's there. Kaalin de
bor is kind of flummixed at his inconsistency. But great kid,
good family, great body. Uh throws a wonderful deep ball.
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There's a lot to like. Yeah. Next up is the
Denver Broncos. Listen, you were earlier on the Broncos than
pretty much anyone. I think Vegas had the wind total
at five and a half and I said it's going
to be closer to eight to nine.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
You said it was a great bet.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Well, another guy who agrees with you is Denver offensive
tackle Mike McGlinchey. He said the Broncos expected this so
I wouldn't say so much pressure as it is excitement
to achieve the goal we set out to achieve. But
you want to make sure you stay in the process.
You don't want to make the game too big, too small.
It's not the Catalina wine mixer.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You just want day by day control which you can
control and execute to the best of your ability.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And that's what we're gonna try to do.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
And uh, you know why I like them boxes head coach, offensive,
great left tackle, one big time weapon, excellent pass rusher,
elite corner boxes. It's why I think the Jets, potentially
with the right coach, GM checked the right boxes to
be the Denver Broncos of this season. To those Shun
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Payton on the market and Rabel ain't no Shan Payton.
I am curious this bow Knicks. There's some numbers out
there floating around. A lot of his numbers are inflated
by playing dregs of the league, which he's cooking against it.
By the way, Jaden Daniels and bow Knicks have beaten
a lot of mediocre teams. That is absolutely fair. But
when you're a rookie quarterback, I'll take you take it.
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Just win a couple of games. So the tough part
is are the Bengals dregs of the league or are
they okay?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And our defense is bottom of the barrel?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Could catch wind here.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Also, Broncos get a big boy pass rush and Bengals
o line. Can you imagine having somebody as good as
Joe Burrow and not taking care of the offensive.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Now they're trying. They drafted MEM's who's been very good.
I don't think the other guy Brown could stay healthy.
They just nothing they do on the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Has really worked. Maybe that's part of why Burroughs ticked off. Guys,
I'm getting murdered back here. You think it is? Joe's
the only great quarterback that won't make the playoffs if
they can't beat Denver. I mean there are still it's
an uphill battle, but he's the only great one. If
you're a great quarterback in this league, you generally find
a way to get in.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
This game is fascinating Broncos Bengals. So, sir Tan, do
you have him follow Jamar Chase everywhere?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
He goes everywhere?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So t Higgins is banged up, He's in and out
of rackets. This week not good, so.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You could be onto something with Broncos three and a half.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Final story Colin is the Cowboys have shut down Ceedee
Lamb for the season.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
They lost their highly paid quarterback and their highly paid
wide receiver and Mike McCarthy is expected to return to
Dallas next season.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Never adult with Jerry and company.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, stay away game for me, but yeah, I'm not.
I think the move for Dallas in the offseason. I
actually love the off season in the NFL. I love
doing shows in March. I think it's fun. You. I
think you're same way. We both love the draft. I
think the move here is Micah Parsons in a week draft.
It is a week draft. MI could get you a
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first and a fourth. And I think if the Dallas
Cowboys can get two first round picks, go get either
team ac at Arizona or the Boise State running back.
Get Dak help go replace him. It's a good edge
rusher draft. Go get somebody to replace Micah Parsons. And
I think you can fortify Dak. I mean, if you're
gonna pay Dak the money, you got to make sure
he's productive. And I think that's the move. I don't
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think McCarthy to the beach and given some whiz kid
the control is the answer. I think the answer is
trading a star who's a really good player. I said
this about Garrett Wilson and the Jets. It's a week draft.
Micah maybe just gets a late first and a great draft,
but I think he gets a mid first and a
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mid third or a fourth in a week draft. Same
with Garrett Wilson for the Jets. You don't get a
lot of drafts that are universally considered weak drafts. This
is one of them. Take advantage of it. I wonder
you just said something about McCarthy and whiz kids. Is
Jerry Jones keeping McCarthy because he can't find anyone better? No,
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I think has McCarthy done enough to save his job
because I don't know, is there someone out there better
than McCarthy. I don't think Rabel's taking this job. I
pay my quarterback sixty MILLI. I think McCarthy's a nice guy.
I think Jerry has always been prone to give coaches
Jason Garrett McCarthy a Chan Gaily an extra year. Jerry
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wants to be relevant, and I think Jerry privately acknowledges
some of his moves have not helped the team. So
I didn't think they had a great draft this last draft.
I think they have to take a big swing, and
that swing is Micah on the market and accumulate some
draft picks and get Dak help.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
So let me slip it. Jerry comes to McCarthy, Hey, Mike,
we want you back. Here's a contract. What if McCarthy
goes we had a good run here. I think I'm done.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Would McCarthy move on because he's got to deal with
Jerry multiple interviews? This is really interesting. Does McCarthy say,
I think I could go to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I could go Jacksonville if it gets open.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
No, I think it's gonna be open. I think this
is very interesting. Could Mike move off? Yeah, I don't
need the headache of Jerry Jones stirring up stuff every week.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
There's like drama every every week in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
But I do think Mike McCarthy with the Cowboys. I
wouldn't be shocked if Mike goes to the broadcast booth.
Everybody likes Mike. Mike's a nice guy. I could see him.
You coach it. Jason Garrett ended up in a broadcast booth.
Jimmy Johnson ended up in a broadcast booth. It's not
just quarterbacks in Dallas end up making seven figures talking
about football, it's coaches. Bill Parcells, by the way, did
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some broadcast stuff. He just brought o golf and hang
out and do other things.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Better job Saints or Cowboys Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Jets are cowboys cowboys. Bears are cowboys Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I must be missing something.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I didn't think it's a great job right now, as
the team is presently constructed with your owner who's doing
multiple radio interviews every week.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
And putting heat on you all the time.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Heat is part of being a coach.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Not New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's not nice. You don't want heat. Go coach Jacksonville. Congratulations,
go disappear.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Hey, I hoped twenty four to seven in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
It's called waffle house.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
The waffle house.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
If you don't know how to find Jacksonville, fly to Atlanta.
Follow the waffle houses. You'll get the j Bills. J
Mack with a news.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
By the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I think that's an interesting question. Give me another two
or three jobs and I'll give you Cowboys or better.
I think the Cowboys job is not the best job,
but it's a very good job. Giants runoff Dable, they
get the number one payboys and they say McCarthy, who
do you want, cam or Shador. I'm talking about franchises.
I think Dallas right now is a better job than
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the New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
With Dak Prescott as the highest paid quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Cooper Rush and Dak Prescott can win about seventy percent
of their games. Now, what's a better job than the Cowboys? Philadelphia?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Oh yeah, it's Siriotti.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Owners GM And I'm not just talking players. I think
Philadelphia is a better job. If I was on the market,
I would take Philadelphia. I think Philadelphia. I think Kansas City.
The Hunt family has been how often. I think the Packers'
job's a great job. I think Baltimore is an unbelievable
I think the Rams with Cronky's a great job. Oh, Cincinnati,
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Zach not interested, not interested, not interested in coaching. Joe Burrow,
Joe Burrow gets hurt, ownership, front office worries me. There's
about seven great jobs in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Drake, may do you like him enough that if I like.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Robert Craft, I would take got fill in the door. Yes, yes,
you would leave Cowboys for Patriots. No, no, no, that's
a different question. This is let me give you the
seven best jobs in the NFL, no order. I'm just
gonna give you the seven. We'll start, We'll start Left
Coast Niners. The great job, Ram Stan Cronkie, great job,
great ownership situations in a recent history of winning. I
(34:26):
think I'll be I've said this for years. I think
Denver's always been an underrated and I think it's Pittsburgh
with mountains. I think Denver's underrated. Now you've got the
richest owners. Sean Payton loves it. I think Green Bay
is great. I think Dallas is very good. I think
the Craft family, Philadelphia and New England case Kansas City's excellent.
(34:47):
Hunt family has been great for every Dolphins. Now, how
many have I named? Eight?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
That's seven or eight?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, I'm named eight. Oh, Baltimore, Baltimore, my bad Baltimore.
Maybe the band great ownership. So there's nine jobs in
this league that I if they're open, take the job
and figure everything else out later.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Harbaugh took Chargers because of Herbert.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Right, and I think I don't think the Spanos is
in the nine. But I also don't think it's it's
middle or bought. I think the Chargers are closer to
the top. They have a very good situation with SOFI financially,
they don't meddle. They're nice people. I know them. They're
nice people. And by the way, you get a you
get to live in Los Angeles and you get Justin Herbert. Yeah,
(35:33):
I also think Atlanta is underrated. I think I think
Tampa's underrated. I know the Glazer family good people, and
I think Jason Light's one of the best jams in
the league. I think that's an underrated job. So there's
a dozen jobs in this league that are pretty Minnesota
that's a good call. Will family is low maintenance. They
don't get in the way of anything. That's a good call.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Minnesota is it gone bullets on O'Connell, just what he's
wanting to do.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But again, when I'm talking about a job, who owns it?
It's the history? Is their meddling? Are they well capitalized
that there's some good jobs and Minnesota is one of that.
By the way, now I'll give you another one Buffalo
now is a good job. I like the GM and
I like the owner.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
But sometimes it's not a good job until you make
it a good job.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Like the Patriots wasn't a good job, right, that's fair,
and then Belichick shows up and crushed. Oh it might
have been someone right before that. But yeah, sometimes you
can make the job good. Now. The Craft family, a
lot of people will say privately, they're a little cheap.
I've heard that before. I don't know that to be true,
but there's an argument that Gerad Mayo was affordable and
(36:36):
they paid Belichick a fortune and it was like, you know,
we're going to scale back on that. That's what I've heard.
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Speaker 1 (36:53):
Syracuse against Washington State. The action kicks off tonight at
seven thirty Eastern on five. So it's interesting. I was
listening to John Gruden talk that he didn't like short
week games, and one of the things he said is
that you can't add any new wrinkles. When you have
a short week, it just comes down to who's got
(37:15):
the best players. And I think you've seen this. So
a total of nine teams this year have played three
games in eleven days. What a shock. The Ravens and
the Chiefs are the only ones to go three to zero,
whereas the Seahawks, Saint Steelers and Bears went on three.
I don't like short week games, even Amazons. It's fine,
We're okay. I like something to do on a Thursday night.
(37:37):
But I think the problem is the NFL's always done
a really good job to keep everybody kind of close.
This year has been wild. We have three teams that
are gonna end up with thirteen wins only one last year.
We're gonna end up with ten teams nine or ten
teams with five wins or fewer. Last year it was
only five. So the top half is stronger, the bottom's
(37:57):
a mess. It's got a very NBA feel, And I
think the reason is you got games on any any
day that ends in why has a game in it.
We got Wednesday games, Thursday games, Friday games, Saturday games.
And when you do this short rest, it's a huge
advantage having a superstar quarterback like Patrick Mahomes and Lamar
And you can even have a good roster like Seattle.
(38:17):
If you got Geno Smith, you're owing three. And it's
something I think about is that one of the strengths
of the NFL has always been everybody's kind of close
in the middle. This year you got a two win team.
I think you got five three win teams. You got
three four win teams. Look at the losing streaks that
are happening in the NFL right now. There's teams losing seven, eight, nine,
(38:37):
ten games in a row. It's a mess. That's not
the NFL. So as they're they're doing this money grab
from Amazon and Netflix, which you know, I get it,
the owners want the money. It feels like there's there's
a separation. Is that short weeks punish average rosters or
(38:58):
thin rosters. One of the string to the NFL has
always been it's a coaching sport. And if you can
give a team that doesn't quite have the players or
the star quarterback, but you give them six days of
prep and film and tricks and be clever, they can
keep it close or they can upset. But now the
best feel, I mean, I'm watching that Chiefs win and
they were so dominant over Pittsburgh. Is I mean they
(39:20):
just separated from the league and nobody's beaten Kansas City.
If that's the version I get. Now, they've got Hollywood Brown,
Xavier Worthy, Matters, Pacheco is back, they're settled at left tackle,
their defense with spags is great. Here goes Travis Kelsey
to explode. And I'm not saying you're gonna get perfect rest.
It's not the playoffs, but the short I mean, just
(39:42):
look at the numbers. The short rest games clearly benefit
teams like the Ravens and the Chiefs, and Eric Mangini
talked about it earlier. Today is Kansas City. I know
it was short week, and maybe I'm hyperbolic here, but
I don't see anybody beating them.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
What they're doing is incredibly special. To win back to
back championships, it's hard, and you have shortened off seasons
and everybody's coming for you. But now to be where
they are in this third year, after all the success
they've had, they're as dangerous as anybody is, and I
think that we should respect the way they're winning and
(40:23):
appreciate it because it's a skill set that not very
many teams have.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah. No, I've compared them to New England, where you have,
simultaneously between Belichick, Josh McDaniel and Brady, you had the
greatest defensive coach, the best offensive coordinator, and the best quarterback.
And that's what they have in Kansas City. That's why
they're so good. Situationally. They got the best offensive coach,
they got the best defensive coordinator, the opposite skill set
(40:49):
of the head coach, and the best quarterback. And what
you're seeing here stability and ownership, solid front offices. It's
a tough out. I mean, I think a better is
the Lions winning it emotional Nick Sirianni winning it, Buffalo
winning it, Baltimore Lamar Jackson finally breaks through. But you
(41:11):
start watching Kansas City, that Pittsburgh win, that was just devastating.
If I'm Buffalo and Baltimore and looking at that win,
it's like it's intimidating situationally, Roster, Roland, all of it.
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