January 1, 2024 • 42 mins
In this hour of The Herd, it's another edition of "Where Colin Was Right, Where Colin Was Wrong." Plus, NFL Hall of Fame (and now Cowboys' Ring of Honor) head coach Jimmy Johnson joins Colin to discuss the ending of the Lions-Cowboys game, why Bronco quarterback Russell Wilson and Denver head coach Sean Payton clashed in their brief time working together, whether the Bears should keep quarterback Justin Fields or draft Caleb Williams, Jim Harbaugh's future at Michigan, and more! Finally, what to do with quarterback Justin Fields in Chicago.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
All right, here we go. We are loaded. It's two Monday.
We are live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever
you may be, however you may be listening. Jimmy Johnson,
Urban Meyer last hour talking Texas, Washington, Michigan, Bama. I
don't know where to go Michigan, Bama. I do like Washington,
Klin de Boor with a month to prepare more. Watch out.
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Great weekend for Jimmy Johnson. He joins us in five minutes.
So to be right, I was actually three and two
this weekend. You had a rough weekend that Colts I
lost by half a point. But I will say week
this next week can have a blazing five.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You know you don't want to bet Week one next year.
I think you should punt on this week. Yeah, you
don't know who's playing. I'm not doing it. The lines
are crazy unless you just want to pick like the
biggest games. Miami Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That's a good game.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, that's a tough game to pick, you know. Blazing one, Wait,
Saturday Night. I think there's a good game.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
There's a couple others that matter for playoff ramifications, but
there's a like eight games that are irrelevant. You know.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, here we go every Monday at this time. Colin right,
Colin wrong, plenty of both.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Blazing five went three and two. I had the Giants
to cover, the Texans to roll, and Arizona plus the
Points have not had a losing week since pre Thanksgiving.
It's been a very good second half of the season
for US three and two on the year, and we're
happy about it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Where Colin was raw, I think I.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Was a little too optimistic on the Philadelphia Eagles and
Nick Seriani. They've lost four of five. I don't know
what their offense is. How can Aj Brown not have
a touchdown in December? I mean, the reality is they've
got some really good offensive personnel. A left tackle, a center,
a right tackle, capable running backs, always good tight ends.
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Jalen Hurts two receivers, and yet outside of the toush push,
I don't know what I get. They were outscored dominated
in this game in the second half. I think I've
been too optimistic on the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Where Colin was right to.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Sean Payton Russell Wilson divorce, we had said, we're not
sure if this thing's gonna work. When they signed Jarrett
Stidham before the season to an expensive backup deal, that
was a warning sign that Sean had looked at film
stylistically didn't think Russell Wilson fit. They have two different personalities.
(03:00):
They clashed on the sidelines once. He was always questioning
simplifying the offense, you know, the contract stuff aside. That
stuff gets ugly all the time in a lot of businesses.
But we just didn't think from the very early stages,
I thought Sean got the most out of Russ you
could get out of Russ at this point in his career.
But it's just stylistically, in personalities, it's a difficult fit.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Finally professed my love for Baker Mayfield in the Bucks
and they laid an egg. They trailed twenty nothing to
the Saints. Baker did throw for three hundred some yards,
but most of it was late in the fourth quarter,
a little bit of garbage time stuff the Saints. And
I've got my misgivings about Dennis Allen in that operation
right now, but I went all in on Baker and
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that was a very weak performance.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You know, I love Kyler Murray. He put on a
showcase yesterday. I think he's amazing. Thirty two first downs,
twenty five to thirty one touchdowns on all four second
half possessions. I just think he's magic. I think he
throws a beautiful ball. I think he sees the field.
I think he has twitchy everything. I think he throws
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a good deep ball intermediate.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
People say, is he great in the locker room? Well,
I mean, I don't know what that means. I'm not
in the locker room. All I know is that guy
generates offense. And if you didn't watch this game closely,
I thought Arizona could have had ten more points. I mean,
they just did what they wanted in the second half.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
The Miami Dolphins, listen, when they beat Dallas. I said,
I'm not going to give you too much credit. I
don't trust Dallas on the road. I don't think Miami's
the kind of team that will be able in the
postseason to match up physically with some of these teams.
This game was interesting for a quarter, but all the gaps,
I mean, they didn't pick up their alerts, their checks,
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whatever it was on the defensive end. But there was
mistakes all over the field. And again, I think they're fun,
I think they're flashy. I think they're fast. I think
Mike McDaniel's really clever, certainly capable of winning a playoff game.
But this is the kind of game Northeast physical team
that I always have my questions about with Miami.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Where Colin was raw?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Boy, did I miss on this? By October I was
done with Jordan Love. I didn't see it at all.
He was tall and athletic, but erratic. He's been terrific
his last seven games, sixteen touchdowns and a pick. And remember,
all these receivers and tight ends are kids. They're first
and second round players. This is the youngest team in
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the league, so we always knew he had the size,
he was athletic, he had a pretty good whip, but
he's really playing under control. I like the fact he's
a risk taker. He'll throw it downfield. Boy, I was
wrong on out when this kid is really, really over
The last seven weeks exploded Where Colin was right. Florida
(06:01):
State got beat sixty three to three. George is the
one that should be upset. They're the one that may
maybe better than everybody Michigan, Bama, Texas and Washington. And
what really bothered me about Florida State. Leadership comes in
many forms. When the administrators and the coaches pouted and
whined and complain NonStop for two weeks, it set the
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tone in the building. The young players watched it and
mailed it in. Obviously, preparation was poor. Many quit, many transferred.
Leadership comes in many forms just because you don't get
your way. Whining and pouting by adults set a really
bad tone for this game.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know I love spring football, and I know it
keeps failing. But yesterday Fox and ESBN jointly announced the
UFL this thing is gonna work with legalized gambling in America.
I told you years ago I would have invested in
the MLS A decade ago, those have exploded. I would
have invested in MMA UFC twenty years ago. I didn't
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have any money, the UFL, the Spring Football League, the
two major sports networks. It's going to work. And both
network presidents signed off on it yesterday Colin Wright Colin
Wrong on a Monday. So a really really emotional weekend
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for our friend Jimmy Johnson, who comes on our show,
you know, pretty regularly. We tried to get him every
four or five weeks. He teaches us stuff about football,
the Hall of Famer. So he finally Jerry Jones acknowledging, Yeah,
this Ring on Honor thing is not going to look
right if Jimmy Johnson's not in it. So Jimmy was
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introduced and included in the Cowboys' Ring of Honor, and
here it was.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
People have asked what this means to me.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
I'm so very very proud, proud of what we accomplished,
and not say we.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
A lot of people, but more than anybody else.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Thank you Jerry Jones for bringing me to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
And I just got one more thing to say, how
about Tam Talbo.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Jimmy must be wiped out. A very emotional weekend for him.
There was the rock moment. We'll show you later, you know.
You know, for us at the family, this was one
of these things that you know, we're all partners in
this world of the NFL and the Cowboys and Jimmy Johnson.
But for us, we were all like, come on, Jerry,
and when you got to call, when you got the
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call privately, you and I talked about this when you
got the call privately, it does mean something. This stuff
does mean stuff, right, Jimmy.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Yeah, you know, Colin a big thing.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
You know, Jerry told me for years I was going
and go into the Ring of Honors, so I knew
eventually it would happen.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
But what was special?
Speaker 6 (09:23):
You know, I had my family, my wife, Ronda, my
you know sons Brent and Chad and their wives, Ronda's daughter,
all my best friends, all the Fox crew, my players,
my coaches. I mean they were all there and so
that's really what made it special.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You know, when I watched the Cowboys Lions game, I
know the officials it appears made a mistake, but you've
told me this before they happen. You can't be a
fan or a player. As a head coach, You've got
to be emotional and just deal with it. You're not
a player, you're not a coordinator, You're a head coach.
I didn't like Dan Campbell going forward again, you'd use
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your trick play. That's a congested area, Jimmy, I didn't
like it. I would have kicked the pat and gone
till overtime. Would you have done the same?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I think he got emotional, He got upset that the
official probably made a bad call.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
But you know, he got.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Himself in trouble because he tried to trick the Cowboys
and to see who the substitution was and who was eligible,
and what he did he tricked the official. The official
was sure, you know, because really sixty eight, you know,
three people went up toward the official, you know, and
even though sixty eight said, you know, hey, I'm the one,
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I'm eligible, he was trying to confuse the Cowboys, and
what he did he confused the official.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
The official made the wrong call. But then again you
got to deal with it.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
And then after they rather than be emotional about it,
kick the extra point, try to win it in overtime,
because really they were playing better than the guy. Yes, yes,
so yeah, that's that's the reason why I would always
make a decision whether to go into overtime or not.
If I was the underdog, and if I didn't have
as good a team as the opponent, then I might
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go for two. Yeah, but if I had the better team,
I would feel like, hey, let's put it in overtime
because we're the better team, will win it.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And overtime, Okay, let's go to the Dallas side. And
this this bothers me whenever coaches go for it and
it fails, you know, they always say the same thing, Hey,
I wanted to go for it, and it's hard as
a reporter to push back on that. We all love
aggressive coaching, but I didn't love Mike. I didn't love
Mike McCarthy and field goal range. Anyway, Detroit's got one
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time out, Jimmy, I didn't like them throwing the ball
in a low percentage drifter down the right sideline. What
did you make of that?
Speaker 6 (12:03):
And in fact, I said the same thing on Fox
nfil Sunday.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
You know, he gave Detroit an opportunity to win the game.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Rather than running the clock out, make them get rid
of their timeouts and win the game that way. And
so no, I didn't like him throwing the football there
at the end because he just opened the door for Detroit.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So I got to ask you about Philadelphia, Jimmy. You
coaches all you experiment at your OTAs you experiment in preseason,
even in September. You're gonna try some things to figure
out if guys can play, how can they play? But
you get post Thanksgiving you like to have stuff buttoned up.
I watched Philadelphia's offense. I like their personnel. I don't
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know what they are offensively. I don't know. Can you
flip a switch this late in the season, Jimmy.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
No, I think they've got real problems. And there's two
things there colin their offense. People have seen that offense,
and the more times you play against it, the more
times you practice against it. You know, Gannon practiced against it,
you know, every day a year ago when he was
a defensive coordinator. Yeah, and so he knew how to
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play that offense. The other thing is they are so
bad in the secondary. I don't know if their defensive
backfield can hold up. They've got a lot of good players.
I'll say that they've got a lot of good players,
but they're really poor in the past defense and people
are playing their offense better than they have in the
previous years.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I got to ask you about this because, I mean,
you've had contract negotiations with you know, Wayne Heizinger, Jerry
Jones and Fox. The stuff gets dicey and the Russell Wilson,
Sean Payton stuff. There's a lot of stuff behind the
scenes that I just don't pretend I know. But there
is something about this relationship. Sean is almost to a fault,
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authentic and emotional and outspot. It's gotten them in trouble.
Russell is relentlessly optimistic, so much so he's had teammates
turn on him. I never felt the personalities worked. You
don't have to go to dinner, okay, Bellichick and Brady
weren't going out for cocktails. But this just never felt
right to me. Did it feel right for you?
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Well, you know, first of all, you mentioned Belichick and Brady,
and of course, as you know, I know both of them,
especially Bill, you know extremely well. Both of them respected
each other as winners. Both of them knew that the
other one could help them win championships, so there was
tremendous respect there.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I don't think you have that with.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Russell Wilson and Sean Payton, and I'm not real sure
Sean Payton morning Russell Wilson from day one. Yeah, but
the problem is he got that huge contract, and now
it looks like Sean going to try to, you know,
win without Now I don't without Russell Wilson. He's going
to try to win without the same amount of money
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as the opposing teams, because there's gonna be a lot
of dead money for the next couple of years, and
so his cap number will be much smaller than his opponents.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Now, whether or not, you know, a lot of times,
you know.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
You can play with some cheap players and still win games,
but it's nice to have the best players.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So, uh, Miami, I've watched San Francisco and Miami tried
to defend Lamar Jackson. It doesn't work. He's now becoming It.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
Doesn't work any I don't care who it is, it's
not gonna work against Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Is there a way?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Is there a what would you have done against Lamar? What?
What would you have tried?
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I'd start studying the next week's opponent and try to
beat them.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, there's not much. You know what I love about him, Jimmy,
and you see this with a lot of players, not
necessary to quarterbacks. He's so competitive, he gets so angry
at himself. How did how much did you value competitiveness?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Oh? Please?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You know, if he's a great competitor, not only is
he going to compete during the ballgame, he's going to
be competitive getting.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Ready for the ballgame.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
After a lass, he's going to be, you know, that
much of a competitor in preparing for the next opponent.
So the competitiveness helps you not only on game day,
but it helps you throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, yeah, you know that very very well. About so
many guys in locker rooms from the twenty eighth spot
to the fifty five spot and a roster are leaders,
gunners on special teams, and they make a big difference.
So I want to take you to a moment yesterday.
It's amazing to me that we knew this. The rock
came on the Fox Sports show Sunday, right, NFL Sunday Fox.
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You guys have been doing this for years and there
was a little surprise that Rock delivered to Jimmy Johnson.
Here it is.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
I had to take a moment just to let you
know how influential You've actually been in my life. When
I was getting in trouble at fifteen years old, getting arrested,
my football coach said, you come play football. I committed
to the game of football. There was one team in
the country that got my attention and it was University
of Miami. And there was one man who got my attention,
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and that was you, Coach. I'm here to tell you,
when I was eighteen, I wanted to give you this.
This is my letter of intent to play for you.
So you ever decide to coach again.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Coach that is did you know That's craziest thing I've
ever seen. What did you make of that?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Knew he loved University of Miami, and I knew, of
course he played there. But you know, when he kind
of made up his mind he was going to go
to university University of Miami.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
That's when I was still there.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Then I left and went to the Cowboys, and he's
stuck with his decision to go to Miami.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
But he still is.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
A huge Miami fan and obviously a great star in
a lot of different areas.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
You know, Jimmy, You've had a career where you're one
of the best college coaches ever. You're one of the
best NFL coaches ever. You are as everybody at Fox knows,
you're the coach on the set. You know, those guys
are screwing around. You're the coach on the set just
making sure Bradshawn, Howie Long and Strayhand show up and
you know, wear their suits. Is you know off? You
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don't celebrate yourself a lot. You're a grinder. You used
to get here before everybody. You'd walk down the road
in LA and get here and I'd see you walking
all over town. Is if I said to you, if
I said to you, I was going to hire a
young Jimmy Johnson, and I'm the athletic director, I'm the owner,
And I said, there's this guy, Jimmy Johnson. What do
you think your core strength has been? I know you
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don't like talking about this stuff. What is your core
strength or the message you would give the coaches about
how to get it right college and pro.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Well, you know a.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Bunch of my guys were down here, you know, this
past summer and they were all talking what my strength was.
And you know, a couple of them said, well, evaluating talent,
you know, drafting, picking up free agents.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Another one said, motivating the team, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I said, you know, I think my greatest strength is
I tried to bring out the best in everybody. Jerry
Jones said it a couple of days ago. He said,
I inspired him to be competitive, It inspired him to
be the very best.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I try to bring out the best.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
In everybody I'm around, whether it's the Fox NFL Sunday set,
whether or not it's the graphic people, whether.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Or not it's a cameraman, you know, whoever it is.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
And so.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
That's the thing that I try to bring to the
table as far as the talent. Now, remember calling on
your show a few years ago. We were talking abou
the draft. It's about a week or two before the draft, yeah,
and I said, you know what, Detroit needs to draft
one of these young quarterbacks like Justin Herbert. And people said, well,
they've got Matthew Safford and so they're going to draft
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this defensive back or Kuda or whatever. I said, you'd
rather have a franchise quarterback or a defensive back.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
And that was just a week or two before the draft.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Now, I think looking back, they probably would have you know,
drafted Justin Herbert, you know, and and so you look
at Chicago now and it's evaluating town.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
That's what I love. I love evaluating players.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
And you know, Chicago right now, they've got a chance
to take Caleb Williams. But you've got to realize a
team wins the Super Bowl not just a quarterback. You know,
is it JaMarcus Russell, is it Cam Newton? Is it
Jared Dog? You know, look at all the first picks
in the draft, and so they've got to make a decision.
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You know, Ken they win a Super Bowl with the
Fields with about five or six great players because they
can trade that number one pick, yeah, you know for
a lot of picks.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Yes, are Can they take Caleb Williams with the.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Roster they have, with a couple of players and win
a Super Bowl? That's the decision they have to make,
and it's going to be an interesting one to see
which way they go.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I would take Caleb and reset the clock. My belief
is he's a better thrower of the football. What would
you do?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Justin Fields has come on strong, and like I said,
you could take that number one pick and you can
get you can probably get five or six players, Yeah,
really good players, you know.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Or you can take Caleb Williams. He may be Patrick Mahons.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
And you're still going to get a couple of good
players because you've got some other picks. So if you
think he's Patrick Mahomes, take Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, you have to rely on your scouts. Finally, you're
uniquely positioned to have a comment on this. There's a
handful of great college jobs. Now, you made Miami a
great job, but they don't have the funding historically of
Alabama or an Ohio state. I think Michigan's a top
I think Michigan's a top five job. It was a
little smoking mirrors down in Miami. You know, you had
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some recruiting, but you know, you didn't have the fan
the culture. I think Michigan we had to tell We
had to.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Tell them we were going to get good facilities every year.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
We don't have a stadium, and.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
We don't have very good facilities, but we're going to
get there eventually.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Now they are improving, by the way.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
So I think Michigan is one of the ten best
jobs in America pro college. But boy, go to Chargers.
Get Justin Herbert it's a higher level of coaching. What
would you do if you're harball?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Yeah, you know, this comment came to me second hand,
so you know, you know, I can't say if it's
one hundred percent acrid. But Nick Saban supposedly made the
comment here not too off a long ago, with all
the NIL problems, with all the trench for portal problems.
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If he wasn't at the age that he is right now,
he'd go back to pro football because it is a
pain right now and I don't like it at all
the way college football is being operated with NIL and
with the transfer portal. If I was Hardball, and I'd say, hey, audios,
I'm going to pro football, and with a great quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
By the way, Jimmy, did you notice that basketball coaches
Jay Wright, Mike Skrzyzewski, and Roy Williams all retired probably
earlier than they maybe Shryzhevsky know, but a lot of
these college basketball coaches saw this thing coming and went,
this is a mess. We're out of here. Jay Wright
had another ten years to coach. He's I don't want
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anything to do with this stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
They got to work twelve months out of the year
around the clock just to recruit their own players to
keep them from transferring.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
You know, they've got to identify certain players.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Well, who's going to get what money with the nil
this guy, that guy, and then ends up you give
money to a guy that can't play a lick, you know.
So it is a real headache, you know. Like I said,
I think at one time college coaching, man, that was
the easiest thing going because you coached during the season.
During the off season, you had family time, you could travel,
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you could do whatever. Do month or two of recruiting,
no big deal. If you're at a great school, you're
gonna get great players. But the atmosphere has changed now.
I think the college coaches are working as hard, if
not harder, than pro coaches.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Great weekend for you, Jimmy, several more to go. You
always take time for me. We know you're busy, and
I appreciate.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
It, all right, Colin, Hey, happy new.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Happy New Year to you.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
No, I think he brings up a good point. And
Jay Wright had another decade to coach. He's like, I'm
out of here. Roy Williams coach, K we're older. But
if Saban said that and I didn't hear that the
NIL the transfer portal. Jimmy made a great point. You
spend so much of your time recruiting your own players
to stay, and I'm for the portal at NIL, but
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guardrails are very important. It's a little wild wild West.
I think it's come back down to earth recently, but
it's not perfect. I think the twelve team playoff next year,
you're not going to see Ohio State's quarterback transferring out
when they're in the playoff. I think you've got so
many useless bulls. This is kind of a messy pivot
from one system to another system, guys leaving. I think
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next year those twelve team playoffs, you're not going to
see top programs lose their quarterbacks because they're playing in
the Liberty Bowl or the Cotton Bowl.
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Speaker 1 (26:31):
A lot of stuff going on, a lot of stuff.
Awesome thoughts on Justin Fields. Jimmy Johnson says he doesn't
know what he do if if your scouts say Caleb Williams,
project says that esk Mahomes and you obviously make a move.
I've got thoughts on Justin Fields coming up. But first,
Jamack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
All right, Let's start with the Denver Broncos. Last week
they did decided to bench Russell Wilson because he wouldn't
wave his thirty seven million dollar injury guarantee. Despite the move,
according to Ian Rappaport, Sean Payton and Denver have not
ruled out a twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Four return for russ Obviously we don't. That's just coach speak.
That's not happening. Now. This is where it gets interesting.
Colin and I mentioned this to you over the over
the weekend. If you look back at the Jared Goff
for Stafford trade. Right, McVeigh was done with Goff. He
had maxed out.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
He had to attach a twenty twenty one third, twenty
twenty two first, twenty twenty three first.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
He has had three.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Picks to Goff and he got Stafford. Is there a
team where Sean Payton could say, hey, we'll give you
Russ and we'll attach some draft picks, give us your quarterback.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
And I started looking around. It's bleak. It's really difficult.
We both think Atlanta makes more sense for Justin.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Fields, right, Yes, okay, I don't think Russ has a
big market.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I would agree with you. I'm just gonna put this
out there.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Washington, Washington, certainly. But now they have the number three pack.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, they could geend up with a two pick.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
My guess is they go over with Jayden Daniels or
maybe Caleble.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Here's the other ones, Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Let me just talk to He's gonna win over five
hundred again, right, Rudolph goes it man, Rudolf, I'm winning
with Rudolph treading.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Water with Picket?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
What could I do with Russell Wilson?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Could Tomlin talk himself into Wanning Russell Wilson an upgrade.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Well, they spend a lot of money on defense, and
they have for a long time. They'd have to scale
back and get rid of some of their defensive players.
That's not their culture. But Russell Wilson's absolutely better than
Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph and.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
The other one.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And I'm I stand by it. I love this guy
as a play caller. But Kevin O'Connell. We saw last night,
Jared Hall, you Ken work Magic, Nick Mullins, Josh Dobbs,
like these are flashes in the pan. Cousins is their guy?
Could you trade Cousins for him?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
If Cousins is like I, guys, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
In I don't think Russell. I don't think offensive coaches
look at Russell as the answer. Three coaches have moved
off him. I could be wrong here. I think Washington's
in play. But now that Washington has the third pick,
I believe this morning.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Yeah, we'll see what happens to week eighty.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Second and now then now they have the second pick,
why would they have to go into a massive bank
note situation when they can just go draft a kid
and have you know, a cap friendly situation.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You and I both like Russ Colin.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
There's a non zero chance that he is not a
quarterback on a roster next year.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, somebody will make the move.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Is he a backup? Because we're asked you that last
week and you were.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Like, I don't think he has the personality. I think
he's too big of a deal to be a backup,
and I do again, I do think he's a starting
quarterback in this league. Your question is what's the market?
You got to be very careful about. You know, I
don't care if you're in my position, a quarterback or
a lawyer. I don't care what it is. Once you
get the bag, expectations change. So people aren't going to
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make a move on Russ to be solid like you're
paying him like he's Brady in his prime. You're paying
him like Farv in his prime. So people want championships.
So you got to go to a roster where you
know he's going to gobble up so much of the cap.
I will let's just speak from a Denver perspective. Denver's
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now got about the thirteenth fourteenth pick around there. That's
bow Knick's territory. Bow Knicks is Drew Brees with mobility
seventy five percent completion rate last two years. Bo Nicks
is bigger than Drew Brees, more athletic than Drew same arm. Now, now, cognitively,
he's got so many starts in college. You imagine he's
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a bright kid who's had two systems to me Bow
Knicks to Denver and Derek Stood in the backup. Now, again,
it doesn't solve everything, but if you can hit on
a first round quarterback mid first round, you're not going
to worry about salary cap of Russell. It will solve
some of those issues.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I just remember what happened to Carson Wentz, how he
was quickly like tried, tried here, tried there, not on
a roster. I'm gonna go ten percent chance that Russ
is not on a roster week win next.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Ten percent next door.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Not just his ability.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, it's the money.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
The money is superstar money, and he's not a superstar quarterback.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
All right, Next up the Chiefs. Boy, they are leak
at oil Colin Holy cal.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
They look awful for most of the game against Cincinnati,
A bunch of field goals, they got a lucky cover.
Another game, I ended up on the losing side of
eighth straight AFC West title, locked up the number three
seed in the AFC.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
The offense just can't get right. Other than Pacheco, nobody
does anything. I don't want to hear about the Rashi rights. Okay,
he had a couple of nice plays.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Colin Travis kelce has gone three straight games with fewer
than fifty yards receiving. I thought this was a revenge
spot against the Bengals. He had nothing at halftime.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I'm just it's a very weak receiving That's why you
can't move off Tony. He's one of the only twitchy
guys they have green Bay. There's not a single maybe
Rashid Rice is the only receiver that could even get
into Green Bay's rotation. It's just a bad receiving corps
and an aging Travis Kelcey and the offensive line. Clearly
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Mahomes TONI ro almost said this twice yesterday. I think
once I heard it the air time, I think I
heard it. Mahomes is letting go of the ball early.
He doesn't trust his tackles. He is letting go of
the ball before he has time.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
But do you know what we're saying when you say, well,
Mahomes doesn't have any talent around it, well, that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
That's that's a quarterback's job. I got to elevate the guys.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Around well, but there are limitations on elevation. Doesn't mean
you can make Ladarius Tony into Jerry Rice. Well wait
a minute, home, once you pay the quarterback big money.
I've watched Mahomes elevate coordinators, players, tight ends, but there's limitations.
You can't turn a number three receiver into a dominant one.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And is mostly what they had last year with Juju
smith Schuster.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Juju smith Schuster is a productive veteran receiver. If you
put Juju on this and Rashid Rice was your two,
it would look a lot different.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
You don't have one now.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Well, but I'm saying he and Rice both feel like twos.
But Juju smith Schuster has been productive. They don't have
productive guys on here. And remember Travis Kelsey was a
year younger. He looks older.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I feel like, without being overly critical, I feel like
Mahomes is escaping some criticism.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
He has not been great this year. Let's be real.
He has an awesome quarterback. Mvv blah blah blah. He
is not great.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well that does so. As Jimmy Johnson said, championships are
about teams. Okay, tackles, left tackle not as good receivers,
bad Kelsey aging coordinator left even Brady had a decade
no trophies like this is what happens when you pivot
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from stage one to stage two. But be very careful.
This is the Russell Wilson discussion. If you pay the
quarterback the bag, you have to hit on like seven straight.
You have to hit on back to back draft seven guys.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Just fyi, there's no easy fixed Chiefs fans. You're not
getting a j. Brown the way he landed Eagles. That's
like not happening. So good luck. Final story the Steelers
man another side, Your.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Boy was way I was way wrong.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
I just don't get this, Colin. This was one of
the craziest stats. Are you ready for this? The Steelers
got to the red.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Zone seven times with Mason Rudolph And how does that happen?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I don't know what's going on with Seattle man Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Now seventeen straight seasons finishing above five hundred. I mean,
it doesn't matter if it's Kenny Pickett. If it's Rudolph,
it's a Maserati Mitch Trubisky.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Somehow Tomlin pulls it off.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
This morning, Tomlin announced that, oh my gosh, Mason Rudolph
is starting Week eighteen, even though Kenny Picket's been medically cleared.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You know what, say this for Mason Rudolph stock where
does he throw? I don't know, picking constantly? Yeah, I
mean that was the knock on Kenny Pickett. It's like, bro,
you got the best young receiver talent in the league.
Win the ball twenty times. So Mason Rudolph, to his credit,
has gone in and just said, guess who I'm throwing to?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
We are five years of dad on the well.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, but they're feeding the ball to the right guy.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Anyways. Steelers playoff scenario.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
So they beat Baltimore and Jacksonville loses, and.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
It looks like the Steelers are in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Here we go here here, Well, I had him getting
in as a wild card, so I am pulling for
a Steeler win. Baltimore sits all their starters.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Do you want to see Mason Rudolph in the postseason?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I will tell you this.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Jacksonville still a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah, but Pittsburgh's a massive brand with star players on
both sides. I'm not good, dude, We say what you want.
The Steeler brand's gonna get a way better rating than
a Jaggs brand with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Well, Jags are it looks like it's a Texan.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
If I'm Roger Goodell, I can tell you who I'm
rooting for. I'm rooting for Pittsburgh to get in over Jackson.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Dude, hold up, So let's say Buffalo beats Miami, because
I think I think that's gonna happ Buffalo gets to
two and the Colts are seven.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
What if Buffalo favorite against Gardner? Minshew?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Ten?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Like, that's that's not even a good.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
There's always a lobsided first round playoff.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
I mean, that's just well whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
At least I get an offensive coach and a good
story in Gardner. Minshew.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
How about look at that?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
So Flacco now would line up against Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Oh, I take Cleveland. Absolutely take Cleveland. Wow, Jacksonville's a
bit of a mess.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
They're so bad with Beth Third, I couldn't even watch
that team.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
It's milk jack with a news.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
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Speaker 1 (36:35):
Line news why I strongly consider moving off Justin Fields
despite yesterday.
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Speaker 1 (36:58):
So the Chicago Bears don't have great ownership or great management.
And it's been that way for most of my life,
and in my opinion, when you don't have strong management
in any business, you go wherever the wind blows. And
I don't think the Bears have any idea what they're
doing with Justin Fields, all right. I would go with
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Caleb Williams. He's a better prospect. I can restart the
rookie quarterback clock, and he throws the football more accurately,
more consistently. That's what I see. But the Bears don't
have strong ownership. And the Chicago media, the talk shows,
the columnists, the fans, they are all in on Justin Fields.
And he does make spectacular plays. I would not deny that,
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but his heater, he's won four or five. In that heater,
he's completing fifty nine percent of his throws with a
seventy seven passer rating. And the Bears defense now he's
like one of the better scoring defenses in the league,
and they're playing bad quarterbacks mostly. So in this heater
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the last five games, he's throwing for two hundred yards
a game with a number one receiver, very solid tight end,
middle of the pack O line, capable running backs, and
getting great field position because the defense is playing great
passer rating at seventy seven in his heater, and you
got to make a decision by next year are you
going to pay him? So I think I think he's
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you know, by low sell high. I think his value
is overstated. I contend he's a he makes great plays,
but I just don't consistently see a guy that's given
me a mid nineties passer rating. He not even close
to that in his heater. So don't don't confuse. Your
defense is playing really well with Matty Refluse, Your defense
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playing really well, and you're beating mostly bad quarterbacks Atlanta,
you know Vikings, you know it's a lot of that stuff.
So I would move off Jimmy Johnson earlier on the
dilemma Chicago and their week ownership.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
Has Chicago right now, they've got chance to take Caleb Williams,
But you got to realize a team wins the Super
Bowl not just the quarterback. You know, is it Jimarcus Russell,
is it Cam Newton, is it Jared Goff? You know,
look at all the first picks in the draft, and
so they've got to make a decision.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
You know, can they win a.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Super Bowl with the Fields with about five or six
great players, because they you trade that.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Number one pick, you know, for a lot of picks.
Are Can they take.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Caleb Williams with the roster they have with a couple
of players and win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I think that's the answer because I think their defense
with Eberflus is really good now that he's got Montes sweat,
and I think you can still get good players in
the draft. But fans, media, uh, they're all in on
Justin Fields because he is a playmaker and he's fun
to watch. I'm not denying that, but you know this
is you got it in one year right now, his
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record is like ten and twel twenty seven and there
are not a lot of wins over good teams, and
so to me, you got to get the emotion out
of it. Detroit this weekend couldn't separate emotion and their
coach goes for it and they lose. Get out of
the emotion business. Get out of the he makes great
play business. That's not what it's about. Do I get
sixty three to sixty five percent completion percentage always available,
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doesn't get hurt, and passer rating mid nineties. That's what
I got to get. And by the way, you're not
even close on that stuff. So I would move off.
I think his value will never be higher beating bad
teams with a defense that's gotten good. So I and
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for the record, Jimmy does point out you could just
drop to second third and get a couple of ones.
So what if you're the Bears and you're saying we'll
go down to three, We'll let New England come up
to one, and we'll still draft a corquarterback. But maybe
it's a quarterback that we don't have to play immediately.
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I don't think that would work. But there's a lot
of options here. There's move out of it and get
five great picks. There's draft Caleb Williams. That's what I
would do. There's moved down a little bit and maybe
maybe get more of a you know what if you
move down to like and you ended up with a
ninth and the tenth picks, then you get a quarterback
and a great player. I mean, there's a lot of
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options here, but I just don't think Caleb Williams. I
don't think he's available very often. He projects arm movement accuracy.
USC's number one in the nation the last two years
in offense, number one. They got defensive issues, maybe they
have culture issues. A number one in the country and
they don't have number one talent. They don't have a
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dominant wide receiver or a dominant tight end or a
dominant running back. They did not have a good offensive line.
It was the biggest disappointment on the season. Wasn't their defense,
it was their own line got worse. So, I mean
you start looking at these Caleb's number one offense at
one hundred and thirty teams and they did not have
elite personnel. So that is that is something.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
This isn't hard. This has gotta be you draft a
quarterback at one, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
I think that dismanagement, whatever the talk shows columnists, whatever
the winds blowing, whatever winds blowing, that's where they're gonna go.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
I think the tougher one is the Packers and Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Oh, they're staying with him. That is over That is
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
All right, here we go. We are loaded. It's two Monday.
We are live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever
you may be, however you may be listening. Jimmy Johnson,
Urban Meyer last hour talking Texas, Washington, Michigan, Bama. I
don't know where to go Michigan, Bama. I do like Washington,
Klin de Boor with a month to prepare more. Watch out.
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Great weekend for Jimmy Johnson. He joins us in five minutes.
So to be right, I was actually three and two
this weekend. You had a rough weekend that Colts I
lost by half a point. But I will say week
this next week can have a blazing five.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You know you don't want to bet Week one next year.
I think you should punt on this week. Yeah, you
don't know who's playing. I'm not doing it. The lines
are crazy unless you just want to pick like the
biggest games. Miami Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That's a good game.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, that's a tough game to pick, you know. Blazing one, Wait,
Saturday Night. I think there's a good game.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
There's a couple others that matter for playoff ramifications, but
there's a like eight games that are irrelevant. You know.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, here we go every Monday at this time. Colin right,
Colin wrong, plenty of both.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Blazing five went three and two. I had the Giants
to cover, the Texans to roll, and Arizona plus the
Points have not had a losing week since pre Thanksgiving.
It's been a very good second half of the season
for US three and two on the year, and we're
happy about it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Where Colin was raw, I think I.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Was a little too optimistic on the Philadelphia Eagles and
Nick Seriani. They've lost four of five. I don't know
what their offense is. How can Aj Brown not have
a touchdown in December? I mean, the reality is they've
got some really good offensive personnel. A left tackle, a center,
a right tackle, capable running backs, always good tight ends.
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Jalen Hurts two receivers, and yet outside of the toush push,
I don't know what I get. They were outscored dominated
in this game in the second half. I think I've
been too optimistic on the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Where Colin was right to.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Sean Payton Russell Wilson divorce, we had said, we're not
sure if this thing's gonna work. When they signed Jarrett
Stidham before the season to an expensive backup deal, that
was a warning sign that Sean had looked at film
stylistically didn't think Russell Wilson fit. They have two different personalities.
(03:00):
They clashed on the sidelines once. He was always questioning
simplifying the offense, you know, the contract stuff aside. That
stuff gets ugly all the time in a lot of businesses.
But we just didn't think from the very early stages,
I thought Sean got the most out of Russ you
could get out of Russ at this point in his career.
But it's just stylistically, in personalities, it's a difficult fit.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Finally professed my love for Baker Mayfield in the Bucks
and they laid an egg. They trailed twenty nothing to
the Saints. Baker did throw for three hundred some yards,
but most of it was late in the fourth quarter,
a little bit of garbage time stuff the Saints. And
I've got my misgivings about Dennis Allen in that operation
right now, but I went all in on Baker and
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that was a very weak performance.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You know, I love Kyler Murray. He put on a
showcase yesterday. I think he's amazing. Thirty two first downs,
twenty five to thirty one touchdowns on all four second
half possessions. I just think he's magic. I think he
throws a beautiful ball. I think he sees the field.
I think he has twitchy everything. I think he throws
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a good deep ball intermediate.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
People say, is he great in the locker room? Well,
I mean, I don't know what that means. I'm not
in the locker room. All I know is that guy
generates offense. And if you didn't watch this game closely,
I thought Arizona could have had ten more points. I mean,
they just did what they wanted in the second half.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
The Miami Dolphins, listen, when they beat Dallas. I said,
I'm not going to give you too much credit. I
don't trust Dallas on the road. I don't think Miami's
the kind of team that will be able in the
postseason to match up physically with some of these teams.
This game was interesting for a quarter, but all the gaps,
I mean, they didn't pick up their alerts, their checks,
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whatever it was on the defensive end. But there was
mistakes all over the field. And again, I think they're fun,
I think they're flashy. I think they're fast. I think
Mike McDaniel's really clever, certainly capable of winning a playoff game.
But this is the kind of game Northeast physical team
that I always have my questions about with Miami.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Where Colin was raw?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Boy, did I miss on this? By October I was
done with Jordan Love. I didn't see it at all.
He was tall and athletic, but erratic. He's been terrific
his last seven games, sixteen touchdowns and a pick. And remember,
all these receivers and tight ends are kids. They're first
and second round players. This is the youngest team in
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the league, so we always knew he had the size,
he was athletic, he had a pretty good whip, but
he's really playing under control. I like the fact he's
a risk taker. He'll throw it downfield. Boy, I was
wrong on out when this kid is really, really over
The last seven weeks exploded Where Colin was right. Florida
(06:01):
State got beat sixty three to three. George is the
one that should be upset. They're the one that may
maybe better than everybody Michigan, Bama, Texas and Washington. And
what really bothered me about Florida State. Leadership comes in
many forms. When the administrators and the coaches pouted and
whined and complain NonStop for two weeks, it set the
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tone in the building. The young players watched it and
mailed it in. Obviously, preparation was poor. Many quit, many transferred.
Leadership comes in many forms just because you don't get
your way. Whining and pouting by adults set a really
bad tone for this game.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know I love spring football, and I know it
keeps failing. But yesterday Fox and ESBN jointly announced the
UFL this thing is gonna work with legalized gambling in America.
I told you years ago I would have invested in
the MLS A decade ago, those have exploded. I would
have invested in MMA UFC twenty years ago. I didn't
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have any money, the UFL, the Spring Football League, the
two major sports networks. It's going to work. And both
network presidents signed off on it yesterday Colin Wright Colin
Wrong on a Monday. So a really really emotional weekend
(07:29):
for our friend Jimmy Johnson, who comes on our show,
you know, pretty regularly. We tried to get him every
four or five weeks. He teaches us stuff about football,
the Hall of Famer. So he finally Jerry Jones acknowledging, Yeah,
this Ring on Honor thing is not going to look
right if Jimmy Johnson's not in it. So Jimmy was
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introduced and included in the Cowboys' Ring of Honor, and
here it was.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
People have asked what this means to me.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
I'm so very very proud, proud of what we accomplished,
and not say we.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
A lot of people, but more than anybody else.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Thank you Jerry Jones for bringing me to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
And I just got one more thing to say, how
about Tam Talbo.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Jimmy must be wiped out. A very emotional weekend for him.
There was the rock moment. We'll show you later, you know.
You know, for us at the family, this was one
of these things that you know, we're all partners in
this world of the NFL and the Cowboys and Jimmy Johnson.
But for us, we were all like, come on, Jerry,
and when you got to call, when you got the
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call privately, you and I talked about this when you
got the call privately, it does mean something. This stuff
does mean stuff, right, Jimmy.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Yeah, you know, Colin a big thing.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
You know, Jerry told me for years I was going
and go into the Ring of Honors, so I knew
eventually it would happen.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
But what was special?
Speaker 6 (09:23):
You know, I had my family, my wife, Ronda, my
you know sons Brent and Chad and their wives, Ronda's daughter,
all my best friends, all the Fox crew, my players,
my coaches. I mean they were all there and so
that's really what made it special.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You know, when I watched the Cowboys Lions game, I
know the officials it appears made a mistake, but you've
told me this before they happen. You can't be a
fan or a player. As a head coach, You've got
to be emotional and just deal with it. You're not
a player, you're not a coordinator, You're a head coach.
I didn't like Dan Campbell going forward again, you'd use
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your trick play. That's a congested area, Jimmy, I didn't
like it. I would have kicked the pat and gone
till overtime. Would you have done the same?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I think he got emotional, He got upset that the
official probably made a bad call.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
But you know, he got.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Himself in trouble because he tried to trick the Cowboys
and to see who the substitution was and who was eligible,
and what he did he tricked the official. The official
was sure, you know, because really sixty eight, you know,
three people went up toward the official, you know, and
even though sixty eight said, you know, hey, I'm the one,
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I'm eligible, he was trying to confuse the Cowboys, and
what he did he confused the official.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
The official made the wrong call. But then again you
got to deal with it.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
And then after they rather than be emotional about it,
kick the extra point, try to win it in overtime,
because really they were playing better than the guy. Yes, yes,
so yeah, that's that's the reason why I would always
make a decision whether to go into overtime or not.
If I was the underdog, and if I didn't have
as good a team as the opponent, then I might
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go for two. Yeah, but if I had the better team,
I would feel like, hey, let's put it in overtime
because we're the better team, will win it.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And overtime, Okay, let's go to the Dallas side. And
this this bothers me whenever coaches go for it and
it fails, you know, they always say the same thing, Hey,
I wanted to go for it, and it's hard as
a reporter to push back on that. We all love
aggressive coaching, but I didn't love Mike. I didn't love
Mike McCarthy and field goal range. Anyway, Detroit's got one
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time out, Jimmy, I didn't like them throwing the ball
in a low percentage drifter down the right sideline. What
did you make of that?
Speaker 6 (12:03):
And in fact, I said the same thing on Fox
nfil Sunday.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
You know, he gave Detroit an opportunity to win the game.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Rather than running the clock out, make them get rid
of their timeouts and win the game that way. And
so no, I didn't like him throwing the football there
at the end because he just opened the door for Detroit.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So I got to ask you about Philadelphia, Jimmy. You
coaches all you experiment at your OTAs you experiment in preseason,
even in September. You're gonna try some things to figure
out if guys can play, how can they play? But
you get post Thanksgiving you like to have stuff buttoned up.
I watched Philadelphia's offense. I like their personnel. I don't
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know what they are offensively. I don't know. Can you
flip a switch this late in the season, Jimmy.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
No, I think they've got real problems. And there's two
things there colin their offense. People have seen that offense,
and the more times you play against it, the more
times you practice against it. You know, Gannon practiced against it,
you know, every day a year ago when he was
a defensive coordinator. Yeah, and so he knew how to
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play that offense. The other thing is they are so
bad in the secondary. I don't know if their defensive
backfield can hold up. They've got a lot of good players.
I'll say that they've got a lot of good players,
but they're really poor in the past defense and people
are playing their offense better than they have in the
previous years.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I got to ask you about this because, I mean,
you've had contract negotiations with you know, Wayne Heizinger, Jerry
Jones and Fox. The stuff gets dicey and the Russell Wilson,
Sean Payton stuff. There's a lot of stuff behind the
scenes that I just don't pretend I know. But there
is something about this relationship. Sean is almost to a fault,
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authentic and emotional and outspot. It's gotten them in trouble.
Russell is relentlessly optimistic, so much so he's had teammates
turn on him. I never felt the personalities worked. You
don't have to go to dinner, okay, Bellichick and Brady
weren't going out for cocktails. But this just never felt
right to me. Did it feel right for you?
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Well, you know, first of all, you mentioned Belichick and Brady,
and of course, as you know, I know both of them,
especially Bill, you know extremely well. Both of them respected
each other as winners. Both of them knew that the
other one could help them win championships, so there was
tremendous respect there.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I don't think you have that with.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Russell Wilson and Sean Payton, and I'm not real sure
Sean Payton morning Russell Wilson from day one. Yeah, but
the problem is he got that huge contract, and now
it looks like Sean going to try to, you know,
win without Now I don't without Russell Wilson. He's going
to try to win without the same amount of money
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as the opposing teams, because there's gonna be a lot
of dead money for the next couple of years, and
so his cap number will be much smaller than his opponents.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Now, whether or not, you know, a lot of times,
you know.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
You can play with some cheap players and still win games,
but it's nice to have the best players.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So, uh, Miami, I've watched San Francisco and Miami tried
to defend Lamar Jackson. It doesn't work. He's now becoming It.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
Doesn't work any I don't care who it is, it's
not gonna work against Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Is there a way?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Is there a what would you have done against Lamar? What?
What would you have tried?
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I'd start studying the next week's opponent and try to
beat them.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, there's not much. You know what I love about him, Jimmy,
and you see this with a lot of players, not
necessary to quarterbacks. He's so competitive, he gets so angry
at himself. How did how much did you value competitiveness?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Oh? Please?
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You know, if he's a great competitor, not only is
he going to compete during the ballgame, he's going to
be competitive getting.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Ready for the ballgame.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
After a lass, he's going to be, you know, that
much of a competitor in preparing for the next opponent.
So the competitiveness helps you not only on game day,
but it helps you throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, yeah, you know that very very well. About so
many guys in locker rooms from the twenty eighth spot
to the fifty five spot and a roster are leaders,
gunners on special teams, and they make a big difference.
So I want to take you to a moment yesterday.
It's amazing to me that we knew this. The rock
came on the Fox Sports show Sunday, right, NFL Sunday Fox.
(17:00):
You guys have been doing this for years and there
was a little surprise that Rock delivered to Jimmy Johnson.
Here it is.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
I had to take a moment just to let you
know how influential You've actually been in my life. When
I was getting in trouble at fifteen years old, getting arrested,
my football coach said, you come play football. I committed
to the game of football. There was one team in
the country that got my attention and it was University
of Miami. And there was one man who got my attention,
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and that was you, Coach. I'm here to tell you,
when I was eighteen, I wanted to give you this.
This is my letter of intent to play for you.
So you ever decide to coach again.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Coach that is did you know That's craziest thing I've
ever seen. What did you make of that?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Knew he loved University of Miami, and I knew, of
course he played there. But you know, when he kind
of made up his mind he was going to go
to university University of Miami.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
That's when I was still there.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Then I left and went to the Cowboys, and he's
stuck with his decision to go to Miami.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
But he still is.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
A huge Miami fan and obviously a great star in
a lot of different areas.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
You know, Jimmy, You've had a career where you're one
of the best college coaches ever. You're one of the
best NFL coaches ever. You are as everybody at Fox knows,
you're the coach on the set. You know, those guys
are screwing around. You're the coach on the set just
making sure Bradshawn, Howie Long and Strayhand show up and
you know, wear their suits. Is you know off? You
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don't celebrate yourself a lot. You're a grinder. You used
to get here before everybody. You'd walk down the road
in LA and get here and I'd see you walking
all over town. Is if I said to you, if
I said to you, I was going to hire a
young Jimmy Johnson, and I'm the athletic director, I'm the owner,
And I said, there's this guy, Jimmy Johnson. What do
you think your core strength has been? I know you
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don't like talking about this stuff. What is your core
strength or the message you would give the coaches about
how to get it right college and pro.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Well, you know a.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Bunch of my guys were down here, you know, this
past summer and they were all talking what my strength was.
And you know, a couple of them said, well, evaluating talent,
you know, drafting, picking up free agents.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Another one said, motivating the team, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I said, you know, I think my greatest strength is
I tried to bring out the best in everybody. Jerry
Jones said it a couple of days ago. He said,
I inspired him to be competitive, It inspired him to
be the very best.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I try to bring out the best.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
In everybody I'm around, whether it's the Fox NFL Sunday set,
whether or not it's the graphic people, whether.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Or not it's a cameraman, you know, whoever it is.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
And so.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
That's the thing that I try to bring to the
table as far as the talent. Now, remember calling on
your show a few years ago. We were talking abou
the draft. It's about a week or two before the draft, yeah,
and I said, you know what, Detroit needs to draft
one of these young quarterbacks like Justin Herbert. And people said, well,
they've got Matthew Safford and so they're going to draft
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this defensive back or Kuda or whatever. I said, you'd
rather have a franchise quarterback or a defensive back.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
And that was just a week or two before the draft.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Now, I think looking back, they probably would have you know,
drafted Justin Herbert, you know, and and so you look
at Chicago now and it's evaluating town.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
That's what I love. I love evaluating players.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
And you know, Chicago right now, they've got a chance
to take Caleb Williams. But you've got to realize a
team wins the Super Bowl not just a quarterback. You know,
is it JaMarcus Russell, is it Cam Newton? Is it
Jared Dog? You know, look at all the first picks
in the draft, and so they've got to make a decision.
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You know, Ken they win a Super Bowl with the
Fields with about five or six great players because they
can trade that number one pick, yeah, you know for
a lot of picks.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Yes, are Can they take Caleb Williams with the.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Roster they have, with a couple of players and win
a Super Bowl? That's the decision they have to make,
and it's going to be an interesting one to see
which way they go.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I would take Caleb and reset the clock. My belief
is he's a better thrower of the football. What would
you do?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Justin Fields has come on strong, and like I said,
you could take that number one pick and you can
get you can probably get five or six players, Yeah,
really good players, you know.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Or you can take Caleb Williams. He may be Patrick Mahons.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
And you're still going to get a couple of good
players because you've got some other picks. So if you
think he's Patrick Mahomes, take Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, you have to rely on your scouts. Finally, you're
uniquely positioned to have a comment on this. There's a
handful of great college jobs. Now, you made Miami a
great job, but they don't have the funding historically of
Alabama or an Ohio state. I think Michigan's a top
I think Michigan's a top five job. It was a
little smoking mirrors down in Miami. You know, you had
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some recruiting, but you know, you didn't have the fan
the culture. I think Michigan we had to tell We
had to.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Tell them we were going to get good facilities every year.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
We don't have a stadium, and.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
We don't have very good facilities, but we're going to
get there eventually.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Now they are improving, by the way.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
So I think Michigan is one of the ten best
jobs in America pro college. But boy, go to Chargers.
Get Justin Herbert it's a higher level of coaching. What
would you do if you're harball?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Yeah, you know, this comment came to me second hand,
so you know, you know, I can't say if it's
one hundred percent acrid. But Nick Saban supposedly made the
comment here not too off a long ago, with all
the NIL problems, with all the trench for portal problems.
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If he wasn't at the age that he is right now,
he'd go back to pro football because it is a
pain right now and I don't like it at all
the way college football is being operated with NIL and
with the transfer portal. If I was Hardball, and I'd say, hey, audios,
I'm going to pro football, and with a great quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
By the way, Jimmy, did you notice that basketball coaches
Jay Wright, Mike Skrzyzewski, and Roy Williams all retired probably
earlier than they maybe Shryzhevsky know, but a lot of
these college basketball coaches saw this thing coming and went,
this is a mess. We're out of here. Jay Wright
had another ten years to coach. He's I don't want
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anything to do with this stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
They got to work twelve months out of the year
around the clock just to recruit their own players to
keep them from transferring.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
You know, they've got to identify certain players.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Well, who's going to get what money with the nil
this guy, that guy, and then ends up you give
money to a guy that can't play a lick, you know.
So it is a real headache, you know. Like I said,
I think at one time college coaching, man, that was
the easiest thing going because you coached during the season.
During the off season, you had family time, you could travel,
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you could do whatever. Do month or two of recruiting,
no big deal. If you're at a great school, you're
gonna get great players. But the atmosphere has changed now.
I think the college coaches are working as hard, if
not harder, than pro coaches.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Great weekend for you, Jimmy, several more to go. You
always take time for me. We know you're busy, and
I appreciate.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
It, all right, Colin, Hey, happy new.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Happy New Year to you.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
No, I think he brings up a good point. And
Jay Wright had another decade to coach. He's like, I'm
out of here. Roy Williams coach, K we're older. But
if Saban said that and I didn't hear that the
NIL the transfer portal. Jimmy made a great point. You
spend so much of your time recruiting your own players
to stay, and I'm for the portal at NIL, but
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guardrails are very important. It's a little wild wild West.
I think it's come back down to earth recently, but
it's not perfect. I think the twelve team playoff next year,
you're not going to see Ohio State's quarterback transferring out
when they're in the playoff. I think you've got so
many useless bulls. This is kind of a messy pivot
from one system to another system, guys leaving. I think
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next year those twelve team playoffs, you're not going to
see top programs lose their quarterbacks because they're playing in
the Liberty Bowl or the Cotton Bowl.
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Speaker 1 (26:31):
A lot of stuff going on, a lot of stuff.
Awesome thoughts on Justin Fields. Jimmy Johnson says he doesn't
know what he do if if your scouts say Caleb Williams,
project says that esk Mahomes and you obviously make a move.
I've got thoughts on Justin Fields coming up. But first,
Jamack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
All right, Let's start with the Denver Broncos. Last week
they did decided to bench Russell Wilson because he wouldn't
wave his thirty seven million dollar injury guarantee. Despite the move,
according to Ian Rappaport, Sean Payton and Denver have not
ruled out a twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Four return for russ Obviously we don't. That's just coach speak.
That's not happening. Now. This is where it gets interesting.
Colin and I mentioned this to you over the over
the weekend. If you look back at the Jared Goff
for Stafford trade. Right, McVeigh was done with Goff. He
had maxed out.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
He had to attach a twenty twenty one third, twenty
twenty two first, twenty twenty three first.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
He has had three.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Picks to Goff and he got Stafford. Is there a
team where Sean Payton could say, hey, we'll give you
Russ and we'll attach some draft picks, give us your quarterback.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
And I started looking around. It's bleak. It's really difficult.
We both think Atlanta makes more sense for Justin.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Fields, right, Yes, okay, I don't think Russ has a
big market.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I would agree with you. I'm just gonna put this
out there.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Washington, Washington, certainly. But now they have the number three pack.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, they could geend up with a two pick.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
My guess is they go over with Jayden Daniels or
maybe Caleble.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Here's the other ones, Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Let me just talk to He's gonna win over five
hundred again, right, Rudolph goes it man, Rudolf, I'm winning
with Rudolph treading.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Water with Picket?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
What could I do with Russell Wilson?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Could Tomlin talk himself into Wanning Russell Wilson an upgrade.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Well, they spend a lot of money on defense, and
they have for a long time. They'd have to scale
back and get rid of some of their defensive players.
That's not their culture. But Russell Wilson's absolutely better than
Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph and.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
The other one.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And I'm I stand by it. I love this guy
as a play caller. But Kevin O'Connell. We saw last night,
Jared Hall, you Ken work Magic, Nick Mullins, Josh Dobbs,
like these are flashes in the pan. Cousins is their guy?
Could you trade Cousins for him?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
If Cousins is like I, guys, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
In I don't think Russell. I don't think offensive coaches
look at Russell as the answer. Three coaches have moved
off him. I could be wrong here. I think Washington's
in play. But now that Washington has the third pick,
I believe this morning.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Yeah, we'll see what happens to week eighty.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Second and now then now they have the second pick,
why would they have to go into a massive bank
note situation when they can just go draft a kid
and have you know, a cap friendly situation.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You and I both like Russ Colin.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
There's a non zero chance that he is not a
quarterback on a roster next year.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, somebody will make the move.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Is he a backup? Because we're asked you that last
week and you were.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Like, I don't think he has the personality. I think
he's too big of a deal to be a backup,
and I do again, I do think he's a starting
quarterback in this league. Your question is what's the market?
You got to be very careful about. You know, I
don't care if you're in my position, a quarterback or
a lawyer. I don't care what it is. Once you
get the bag, expectations change. So people aren't going to
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make a move on Russ to be solid like you're
paying him like he's Brady in his prime. You're paying
him like Farv in his prime. So people want championships.
So you got to go to a roster where you
know he's going to gobble up so much of the cap.
I will let's just speak from a Denver perspective. Denver's
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now got about the thirteenth fourteenth pick around there. That's
bow Knick's territory. Bow Knicks is Drew Brees with mobility
seventy five percent completion rate last two years. Bo Nicks
is bigger than Drew Brees, more athletic than Drew same arm. Now, now, cognitively,
he's got so many starts in college. You imagine he's
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a bright kid who's had two systems to me Bow
Knicks to Denver and Derek Stood in the backup. Now, again,
it doesn't solve everything, but if you can hit on
a first round quarterback mid first round, you're not going
to worry about salary cap of Russell. It will solve
some of those issues.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I just remember what happened to Carson Wentz, how he
was quickly like tried, tried here, tried there, not on
a roster. I'm gonna go ten percent chance that Russ
is not on a roster week win next.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Ten percent next door.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Not just his ability.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, it's the money.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
The money is superstar money, and he's not a superstar quarterback.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
All right, Next up the Chiefs. Boy, they are leak
at oil Colin Holy cal.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
They look awful for most of the game against Cincinnati,
A bunch of field goals, they got a lucky cover.
Another game, I ended up on the losing side of
eighth straight AFC West title, locked up the number three
seed in the AFC.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
The offense just can't get right. Other than Pacheco, nobody
does anything. I don't want to hear about the Rashi rights. Okay,
he had a couple of nice plays.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Colin Travis kelce has gone three straight games with fewer
than fifty yards receiving. I thought this was a revenge
spot against the Bengals. He had nothing at halftime.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I'm just it's a very weak receiving That's why you
can't move off Tony. He's one of the only twitchy
guys they have green Bay. There's not a single maybe
Rashid Rice is the only receiver that could even get
into Green Bay's rotation. It's just a bad receiving corps
and an aging Travis Kelcey and the offensive line. Clearly
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Mahomes TONI ro almost said this twice yesterday. I think
once I heard it the air time, I think I
heard it. Mahomes is letting go of the ball early.
He doesn't trust his tackles. He is letting go of
the ball before he has time.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
But do you know what we're saying when you say, well,
Mahomes doesn't have any talent around it, well, that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
That's that's a quarterback's job. I got to elevate the guys.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Around well, but there are limitations on elevation. Doesn't mean
you can make Ladarius Tony into Jerry Rice. Well wait
a minute, home, once you pay the quarterback big money.
I've watched Mahomes elevate coordinators, players, tight ends, but there's limitations.
You can't turn a number three receiver into a dominant one.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And is mostly what they had last year with Juju
smith Schuster.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Juju smith Schuster is a productive veteran receiver. If you
put Juju on this and Rashid Rice was your two,
it would look a lot different.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
You don't have one now.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Well, but I'm saying he and Rice both feel like twos.
But Juju smith Schuster has been productive. They don't have
productive guys on here. And remember Travis Kelsey was a
year younger. He looks older.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I feel like, without being overly critical, I feel like
Mahomes is escaping some criticism.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
He has not been great this year. Let's be real.
He has an awesome quarterback. Mvv blah blah blah. He
is not great.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well that does so. As Jimmy Johnson said, championships are
about teams. Okay, tackles, left tackle not as good receivers,
bad Kelsey aging coordinator left even Brady had a decade
no trophies like this is what happens when you pivot
(33:57):
from stage one to stage two. But be very careful.
This is the Russell Wilson discussion. If you pay the
quarterback the bag, you have to hit on like seven straight.
You have to hit on back to back draft seven guys.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Just fyi, there's no easy fixed Chiefs fans. You're not
getting a j. Brown the way he landed Eagles. That's
like not happening. So good luck. Final story the Steelers
man another side, Your.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Boy was way I was way wrong.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
I just don't get this, Colin. This was one of
the craziest stats. Are you ready for this? The Steelers
got to the red.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Zone seven times with Mason Rudolph And how does that happen?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I don't know what's going on with Seattle man Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Now seventeen straight seasons finishing above five hundred. I mean,
it doesn't matter if it's Kenny Pickett. If it's Rudolph,
it's a Maserati Mitch Trubisky.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Somehow Tomlin pulls it off.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
This morning, Tomlin announced that, oh my gosh, Mason Rudolph
is starting Week eighteen, even though Kenny Picket's been medically cleared.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You know what, say this for Mason Rudolph stock where
does he throw? I don't know, picking constantly? Yeah, I
mean that was the knock on Kenny Pickett. It's like, bro,
you got the best young receiver talent in the league.
Win the ball twenty times. So Mason Rudolph, to his credit,
has gone in and just said, guess who I'm throwing to?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
We are five years of dad on the well.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, but they're feeding the ball to the right guy.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Anyways. Steelers playoff scenario.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
So they beat Baltimore and Jacksonville loses, and.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
It looks like the Steelers are in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Here we go here here, Well, I had him getting
in as a wild card, so I am pulling for
a Steeler win. Baltimore sits all their starters.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Do you want to see Mason Rudolph in the postseason?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I will tell you this.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Jacksonville still a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah, but Pittsburgh's a massive brand with star players on
both sides. I'm not good, dude, We say what you want.
The Steeler brand's gonna get a way better rating than
a Jaggs brand with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Well, Jags are it looks like it's a Texan.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
If I'm Roger Goodell, I can tell you who I'm
rooting for. I'm rooting for Pittsburgh to get in over Jackson.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Dude, hold up, So let's say Buffalo beats Miami, because
I think I think that's gonna happ Buffalo gets to
two and the Colts are seven.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
What if Buffalo favorite against Gardner? Minshew?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Ten?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Like, that's that's not even a good.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
There's always a lobsided first round playoff.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
I mean, that's just well whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
At least I get an offensive coach and a good
story in Gardner. Minshew.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
How about look at that?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
So Flacco now would line up against Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Oh, I take Cleveland. Absolutely take Cleveland. Wow, Jacksonville's a
bit of a mess.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
They're so bad with Beth Third, I couldn't even watch
that team.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
It's milk jack with a news.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
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Speaker 1 (36:35):
Line news why I strongly consider moving off Justin Fields
despite yesterday.
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Speaker 1 (36:58):
So the Chicago Bears don't have great ownership or great management.
And it's been that way for most of my life,
and in my opinion, when you don't have strong management
in any business, you go wherever the wind blows. And
I don't think the Bears have any idea what they're
doing with Justin Fields, all right. I would go with
(37:19):
Caleb Williams. He's a better prospect. I can restart the
rookie quarterback clock, and he throws the football more accurately,
more consistently. That's what I see. But the Bears don't
have strong ownership. And the Chicago media, the talk shows,
the columnists, the fans, they are all in on Justin Fields.
And he does make spectacular plays. I would not deny that,
(37:40):
but his heater, he's won four or five. In that heater,
he's completing fifty nine percent of his throws with a
seventy seven passer rating. And the Bears defense now he's
like one of the better scoring defenses in the league,
and they're playing bad quarterbacks mostly. So in this heater
(38:01):
the last five games, he's throwing for two hundred yards
a game with a number one receiver, very solid tight end,
middle of the pack O line, capable running backs, and
getting great field position because the defense is playing great
passer rating at seventy seven in his heater, and you
got to make a decision by next year are you
going to pay him? So I think I think he's
(38:21):
you know, by low sell high. I think his value
is overstated. I contend he's a he makes great plays,
but I just don't consistently see a guy that's given
me a mid nineties passer rating. He not even close
to that in his heater. So don't don't confuse. Your
defense is playing really well with Matty Refluse, Your defense
(38:42):
playing really well, and you're beating mostly bad quarterbacks Atlanta,
you know Vikings, you know it's a lot of that stuff.
So I would move off Jimmy Johnson earlier on the
dilemma Chicago and their week ownership.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
Has Chicago right now, they've got chance to take Caleb Williams,
But you got to realize a team wins the Super
Bowl not just the quarterback. You know, is it Jimarcus Russell,
is it Cam Newton, is it Jared Goff? You know,
look at all the first picks in the draft, and
so they've got to make a decision.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
You know, can they win a.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Super Bowl with the Fields with about five or six
great players, because they you trade that.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Number one pick, you know, for a lot of picks.
Are Can they take.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Caleb Williams with the roster they have with a couple
of players and win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I think that's the answer because I think their defense
with Eberflus is really good now that he's got Montes sweat,
and I think you can still get good players in
the draft. But fans, media, uh, they're all in on
Justin Fields because he is a playmaker and he's fun
to watch. I'm not denying that, but you know this
is you got it in one year right now, his
(39:58):
record is like ten and twel twenty seven and there
are not a lot of wins over good teams, and
so to me, you got to get the emotion out
of it. Detroit this weekend couldn't separate emotion and their
coach goes for it and they lose. Get out of
the emotion business. Get out of the he makes great
play business. That's not what it's about. Do I get
sixty three to sixty five percent completion percentage always available,
(40:23):
doesn't get hurt, and passer rating mid nineties. That's what
I got to get. And by the way, you're not
even close on that stuff. So I would move off.
I think his value will never be higher beating bad
teams with a defense that's gotten good. So I and
(40:43):
for the record, Jimmy does point out you could just
drop to second third and get a couple of ones.
So what if you're the Bears and you're saying we'll
go down to three, We'll let New England come up
to one, and we'll still draft a corquarterback. But maybe
it's a quarterback that we don't have to play immediately.
(41:03):
I don't think that would work. But there's a lot
of options here. There's move out of it and get
five great picks. There's draft Caleb Williams. That's what I
would do. There's moved down a little bit and maybe
maybe get more of a you know what if you
move down to like and you ended up with a
ninth and the tenth picks, then you get a quarterback
and a great player. I mean, there's a lot of
(41:26):
options here, but I just don't think Caleb Williams. I
don't think he's available very often. He projects arm movement accuracy.
USC's number one in the nation the last two years
in offense, number one. They got defensive issues, maybe they
have culture issues. A number one in the country and
they don't have number one talent. They don't have a
(41:49):
dominant wide receiver or a dominant tight end or a
dominant running back. They did not have a good offensive line.
It was the biggest disappointment on the season. Wasn't their defense,
it was their own line got worse. So, I mean
you start looking at these Caleb's number one offense at
one hundred and thirty teams and they did not have
elite personnel. So that is that is something.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
This isn't hard. This has gotta be you draft a
quarterback at one, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
I think that dismanagement, whatever the talk shows columnists, whatever
the winds blowing, whatever winds blowing, that's where they're gonna go.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
I think the tougher one is the Packers and Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Oh, they're staying with him. That is over That is
over all right, our three urban Meyer on the corner,
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