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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's hour two, it is a Wednesday.
We're live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Tood mcshae
an old friend, going to be joining us in four
or five minutes. Also, Chris Bursard next hour. So the
NFL Draft is obviously, and we'll talk on that with
mcshay's here in five minutes. It's coming up in three weeks.
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So Steph Curry overshadowed by Yokic having sixty one. Steph
Curry had fifty two last night, hit a dozen three pointers,
Warriors beat the fading Grizzlies. So I always think about this.
We've talked about this, how certain players in the NBA
are great, Kevin Durant, Carmelo, Anthony, James Harden, they're not influential.
Shack was great. He wasn't that influential, Magic Bird, Lebron,
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Steph Curry are influential. It's like Jeff Bezos is rich
and influential. He ended mals, He changed retail in America.
That's influential. Elon Musk even before Doge, you know, politics
aside automotive industry, space industry like that. That. Larry Ellison
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is really rich one hundred and ninety two billion, He
owns half a Hawaii. He doesn't he doesn't feel half
as influential as like Steve Jobs did, like like brought
art into tech. Larry Ellison just a really smart guy
that and super rich.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And that's kind of the difference is Steph Curry. You know,
Tim Duncan and Wilt great influential, just great. Steph's just different,
I mean, change basketball overseas au basketball. And we always
knew he would be a guy that would age well.
Smart athletes age well. They take care of their body.
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You know, guys that are still go to nightclubs or
don't eat right, or they're not intentional you know with
their training, they age very quickly. I always said Cam
Newton and Big Ben aged very quickly. Brady really intentional
with his diet pilates, training, aged incredibly well, and Steph
falls into that class. But it's just it's it's really
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remarkable what he's done. He is and he's not athletically
a force of nature Shack was. But the second best
part of Steph is he just works well with everybody. Right,
you don't get a lot of ego. And I've said
international soccer in the NBA, you know, listen, it's about
the star as much as the team. See, you got
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to battle some of the ego stuff. I mean, Lebron's
got an ego, but Lebron plays well with others. D
Wade has an ego, he played well with others. Carmelo
not so much. He kind of wanted to be the guy.
He was threatened by Jeremy Lynn at one point. So
I think Steph's aging well. And Steve Kerrz talking about it, I.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Can't believe he's still still doing this at this age.
But he's put the work in and they still got it.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
How much do you think that week off he just
had maybe boosted.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
It a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think it helped, and I think two rounds of
golf on this road trip helped. Yeah, I'm not I'm
only half joking, you know, But yeah, the week off
was helpful for him. I think he looks recharged, rejuvenated.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
How about this Lakers Warriors, if the playoffs started today,
would meet. Now, that's not what you want. You want
those two advance. You want the story to be expanded.
You love the Lakers and Warriors to win and then
meet in the second or the third round. But that's
where it is today. I will tell you I was
thinking about this Lakers Warriors. The Warriors have a really
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deep bench, and the bench gives you Looney and Post
give you size. Buddy Heal gives you shooting, kaminga gives
you athleticism. The Warriors have one of the better benches,
like the Boston Celtics in the NBA. In the playoffs, though,
are you gonna trust Gie Santos? Are you gonna play
him a lot? I'm not sure if you are. Are
you gonna play Post a lot? You know, the guy
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from the Netherlands. Are you gonna play him a lot
in the postseason? Maybe not, You'll play Looney more so.
But it's getting real interesting now. The thunder in the Rockets,
especially the Thunder, have pulled away from everybody man, it
is really really how good I mean, the Timberwolves are seven.
That is a good team. That is that is an
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all time great number seven seat. Do we have the
Eastern Conference standings for us? Because think about this, Like
you could get Kawhi Leonard, you can get depth Zubab.
It's the center. Like the Clippers are a good team.
They're not a great team, and you never know who's
gonna actually play, but it's a good team. Timberwolves as
a seven seed compared to a seven seed in the East.
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And I've said this, I don't know exactly why this is,
but the Western Conference, like I understand why the SEC
is better in college football, the footprint, there's all these
unbelievable athletes, these totally addicted high school football programs. Like
I get wife. High school football is good in Dallas
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or Georgia or Florida, like I get it. The Western
Conference has been so much deeper and better than the
Eastern Conference. Now, I do think the Celtics and the
Caves are the two best teams, but the Orlando Magic
are three games under five hundred, they're a seven seed
in the East. And the t Wolves that just beat
the Nuggets. The great staff. They're a seven seed in
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the West, so the gap is significant. Well a buddy
NFL draft college analyst now he's at the Good for him.
Todd mcshagh, I haven't talked in a while, joining us
live in the Urn, Todd, how are you great to
have yond congrats on your success and congrats on going
to the Ringer Man. Thanks man, it's good to talk
to you.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
It's been a minute. You were always supportive of me
at our during our last adventure if you will, and
venture certainly at an ESPN, and it's great to catch
up with you.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So it's all I keep hearing from my people in
the league is this is not a great draft. And
I'm like, Okay, there's got to be a couple areas
that you like it. So if I said to you,
give me two position groups, Todd, that you'll go to
the well on and you'll say, Okay, it's a good
year for what in this draft?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Running backs and defensive line Colin. I mean, I was
looking at it the other day. I went back thirty
years and then I kind of got I kind of
got bored in the last thirty years. I think it
was twenty six defensive lineman. That was the highest number
we've seen and talking interior defensive line in an edge,
and this year I've got thirty five players along the
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interior and at edge that could get drafted in the
first three rounds.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So even if I'm.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Off by like eight, if my evaluation's too high on
eight of these guys, it still will be a record
number of interior defensive linemen and edge defenders that come
off the board. And then at running back, this is
this is the best group I've ever evaluated. I've been
doing it twenty five years, and it starts with astroon
gent right, who's going to be a worst case he
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goes ten to Chicago, we could see him go six
to the Raiders. I mean, he's if you when I'm
talking to guys in the league, it's like, yeah, he's
a running back, but I've got a grade on him.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
That's like just to tick below the.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Top two guys that everyone's talking about in Abdul Carter,
the edge rusher from Pedt State, and Travis Hunter, the
generational talent.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
Both sides of the ball from Colorado.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
And then beyond just genty, you've got Omari and Hampton,
who's like two twenty plus, light on his feet, powerful,
best mistackles force of any running back after the.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Catch is a receiver. So he's got that combinations.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, Oh, he's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
I've got eighteen guys Colin and at the running back
position in the first four rounds with grades the three
year average is ten.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
We're talking about almost twice as much talent in the
first full Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
And you go down the list of these guys and
it's beyond Jinty and Hampton, it's Trevon Henderson and couch
On Judkins from Ohio State who are just, first of all,
nasty blockers, both explosive, Judkins more powerful, Henderson faster and
more dangerous in the passing game. Then you've got Caleb
Johnson from from Iowa who is great in that zone
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blocking scheme. Cam Scattabo who was like he was awesome
when you watched him on TV and then putting on
the tape, I actually even liked him more. And I
know he's gonna eat runs in the four sixes and
all of that, but he's.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
A phenomenal back.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
And then even beyond that, you've got our A Harvey
from UCF DJ Giddons from Kansas State, lesser known guys
who are gonna come off the board in the first
few rounds. I just I love this class of running backs.
And you've seen it Colin right, Like, with Cover two
defenses and everyone in the league spreading things out, everything's cyclical, right,
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you spread these these defenses out. The passing game heavy
in the last decade of the NFL. Now teams are
trying to figure out art how do we counter that?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And it's not We've.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Seen a resurgence at running back. And yes, this talent
is outstanding and that a lot of these guys would
go regardless, irregardless of the year. But with the NFL
and defenses playing that Cover two making you kind of
drive the ball down the field, trying to avoid the
big plays from the Patrick Mahomes and the Josh Allens
and all these big armed quarterbacks, You've got to have
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a running back now to counter it.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
It's explosive and that's.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Why you saw That's why you saw Detroit and everyone
was yelling at Brad Holmes, the GM for the Lions
a couple of years with Jamier Gibbs. Can't draft a
running back that high. Your he got a running back.
Well look at what that did to that offense. And
when the starter goes out a few weeks and when
you've got both of them healthy, it just elevated things.
I think that's what we're seeing in the NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Okay, so cam Wore the playmaker got a little Kleb Williams.
I see it. I get it better arm than Shador.
If I said to you and you're hearing stories about
this Chadure Sanders Jackson Dart, are there people you believe
that grade Jackson Dart ahead of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I know of one team that does.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I can tell you that there's there's thirty one other teams,
and that team may not draft either of these these quarterbacks.
But I can tell you that at least one team
in the league has a slightly higher grade on Jackson
Dart than they do on Shador Sanders, and so to me,
I have identical grades on them.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I watch Jackson Dart and listen.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
I like Shadoor Sanders a lot doesn't have a huge arm,
does not have mobility. I think that's the biggest mistake
in the evaluation, at least early in the process. Well,
he's coach prime Son. He's fast. He's not fast at all.
I bet you he'd run like a I don't know,
four to eight in the forty if he ever ran one,
and he's never going to. But what I do love
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about him is I think he's the fastest processor of
all these quarterbacks in the passing game. Now, his instincts
in terms of the pocket and kind of extending and
drifting and always looking for the home run and not
taking the short change, those sorts of things he'll manage through.
And if people don't like him, what they say is
he has some of the bad habits that Caleb Williams had.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
The cause of problems as a rookie.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
But he doesn't have the armor and he has a
fraction of the athleticism. But the people who love him
love the fact that he's the best pure passer in
terms of touch, timing, layering the football, and he's the
fastest processor in this class. Now you go to Jackson Dart,
bigger arm, bigger kid, more mobile. I think accuracy is good,
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but it's not quite at the level of Shador. But
the thing that made me fall in love with him,
And listen, the detractors will say well, Lane Kiffen that offense,
they run that same sale route concept and they'll run
it three four times a game, and they do things
over and over again, predetermined reads and yeah, that's true.
It doesn't mean he can't do it. It's a matter
of getting with him and figuring out how he learns.
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Can he go through NFL reads and all those things.
But when I fell in love with Jackson Dart, there's
when you have the tape access that we have, like
the PFF Ultimate combined with the Catapult, this whole system.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
You can go in and do cutups, go in and
watch his cutups.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
On his intermediate throws ten to twenty five yards, and
watch his accuracy compared to a lot of other guys
in this class. And then the thing that really jumped
out to me. I watched over twelve hundred snaps in
like a five day span of these quarterbacks versus pressure.
His was so significantly better, and I saw a lot
of like, I know, he's not the size and he
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doesn't have the arm, but a lot of the same
things that makes Josh Allen special in terms of avoiding
quickly eluding.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
But calm this presence about him as he's rolling out
and seeing the field. He was so much better in
those versus pressure moments to throw that one hundred and
sixty one clip reel that I went through than all
of these other quarterbacks were. That to me, spoke volumes
because that in the NFL, you've got you have got
to make intermediate throws and you've got to be able
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to work under pressure. And he did both of those
at all miss at a very high level.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Okay, Travis Hunter. First of all, I think he's going
to be good at whatever he does. But if I
was a coach, I'd be like, I'd rather have twelve
targets than chasing the other team's best receiver around. I
can get a corner in the fifth round. There is
no more lockdown corner as good as Patrick's or Tans.
There's so much motion, so many sets, the great offensive
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coaches making it virtually impossible to get your hands on anybody.
If I'm New England and I can get twelve targets
for this kid, fly sweeps bubble screens, I don't know.
To me, I think he's an offensive player in the
NFL if we want to put him in a nickel
because we love his athletic ability, but don't just see
him as an offensive guy in an offensive league.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
You know, It's funny, like there's there's two trains of
thoughts thought here. The first is cornerback. It's hard to
play wide receiver full time, and then kind of moonlight
or minor at the cornerback position, right, And so so
coaches get involved in this process and they're like, yeah,
I understand it, but we can put in installs every
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week and have like a twenty play package for Travis
on the offensive side. And so from a coaching standpoint,
that makes more sense. Let's keep him in the cornerback room.
He can do some things and work with wide receivers
and work with the quarterback on the field, and we
can meet separately with those, but let's make him a
corner and then do the install and some packages for
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him on offense. Okay, but the talent and what you're
saying those two factors, I think he's actually a better
wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
I think he's at his best with the ball in
his hand.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
And the thing that goes, like we all get so
caught up in what we're showing the highlights, right, how
quick he is, how sudden, he is. He's a dynamic athlete.
I'm telling you, Colin, he's up there in like the
top five of wide receivers in terms of ball skills
in like the past decade that I've evaluated. It goes
so and so, while that's great at corner, how many
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interceptions is he really going to have? So the average
guy would get three, maybe he gets five in a year.
But if I can have that weapon, who's that reliable
and refine him a little bit of as a route runner,
and I already think he's a little bit more refined
as a receiver and than a corner I tend to
agree if he falls to New England at four, you're
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telling me that they're looking at that and say, well, sorry, sorry,
Drake May, We're gonna play them at corner, but we'll
give you like twenty snaps with no chance. Man, it
will come down to the team that drafts him in
what they need from him, and then the kind of
the load management NBA stuff with him and trying to
keep him healthy.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
But ultimately, I.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Want to get the ball in this guy's hands, and
I think you know, we all know that offense is
the way to do that.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Todd mcshae now at the Ringer. One last question on this,
because when I was a kid, I mean I can
remember the top two or three tight ends Dave Casper
for the Raiders because there were so few of them.
Kellen Winslow, Well, I always had this theory is that
as people got bigger, as athletes got bigger, and we've
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just got more six foot five, two hundred and forty
pound men playing sports, and they've got good hands because
they played on their high school basketball team, and so
you know, humans are getting a little bigger. But what's
interesting about the tight end is we just have so
many great six five, two hundred and thirty five pound
high school athletes all over the country, and it's like, well,
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let's put them at tight end. Some can block, some can't.
But I look at the tight end position now and
I never thought tight end was a first round position.
Brock Bauers total outlier, best college tight end I've ever seen.
Kyle Pitch not as good as I thought I But
I do look at Tyler Warren at Penn State and
I was I watched that USC game and I'm sitting
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there and I'm like, dude, if I had to do
I could could he throw the ball? Could I put
him in the backfield? What do you make of him
as a prospect? Because I keep hearing it to a
weak draft, and I'm like, if you told me one
guy went in this draft and we look five years
later and went mad. We just didn't get how good
this guy was. He is different. What do you make
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of him historically? As comp and the Penn State tight end?
He is different.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
I mean he's he's six' five and two thirds and
he's two hundred and fifty six, pounds and when you
see him like break tackles and rumbling after the, Catch you're, like,
yeah he's every bit of.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
That then you see him as a as.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
A route, runner as an, ATHLETE i mean he snapped
the ball and then in that game and went and
caught a touchdown passing THE usc.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
So like he could just kind of he's kind.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Of different that you can and people are, like, well
he's not a great, Blocker like, yeah no, Kidding like
he was doing everything else and, yeah he's got to
improve in that.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
AREA i think he's so good after the.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
CATCH i think he knows how to get open even
though he doesn't separate Like Colston. Lovelin if you want
a wide receiver at tight, end that's your. Guy, yeah
he doesn't block like he's terrible at. Blocking let's just
call it what it. Is Colston lovelin's a wide and
he's he's a little bit more like Brock bauers just
to tick behind.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Him in terms of, Talent.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Warren is different.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Man like you're watching the highlights, here he reminds me
more Of. Gronk If lovelan is Is bowers Or kelsey
in that, mode this Guy's, gronk and that's he's going
to become a serviceable. Blocker but what he does so
well is he's gonna find a way to get open
versus zone boxing guys out catch the, ball and then
after the, catch he creates so many yards with his
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combination of his athleticism and then the fact that he's
just barreling through.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Guys so and then.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Also there's this guy Named Elijah arroyo who's six,' five
two hundred and fifty one Pounds, from miami who looks
like he's about two thirty the way he carries.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
His weight he had one year of great Production.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
At miami this past year had, some injuries but if he,
stays healthy he's got a chance to be. A star
And Then jason, Taylor's Son mason taylor wasn't even utilized
all that WELL. AT lsu a lot of underneath and
like really stretch the scenem and do those sorts.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Of things he's he's the, same guy six four and
a half two hundred and fifty one pounds as a
royo and has an unbelievable skill set across.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
The board those four tight ends have a chance to
make a significant mark early in their careers and throughout.
Their CAREERS and i think all four of them are
going to be off the touch off, the board probably
in the top forty to forty.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Five, picks todd you, Look great you. Sound great happy.
For you you landed in a. Great spot Say to
bill and, the fellas what, a crush. MY man i, appreciate.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
It brother i'll talk to, you soon, All.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Right todd McShay on. Good, STUFF yeah i sat and
watched that seventeen catch GAME against usc and you just
put the, kid anywhere. You know and It's funny loveland
Plays for michigan because slender kind of a slender. Tight
END but i think about This like warren with the
right offensive coach or a, DEFENSIVE coach i Feel like
warren is gonna. Work Everywhere Like. Brock powers last Year
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the raiders were. All Defense brock powers. Was unbelievable Loveland
from michigan's a guy that you give him to McVeigh and, you're,
like oh now they can play games that you give
him that you give by, THE way i Could See
kansas city moving up And getting loveland, and, Saying. Okay kelsey, last,
Year McVeigh, matt LeFleur a shanahan certain guys Would take
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loveland the tight end and. Really play because he, didn't
block you're not gonna have him on third or. Fourth
Down but warren's a guy it's like on, FOURTH down
i may snap it. To him he can.
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Speaker 3 (21:08):
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Speaker 1 (21:08):
Chris Broussard Last nar todd mcshade did a. GREAT job
i mean that guy's, a machine, absolute machine knocking it
out of. The park you still don't you don't think
less of ME after i had caviar and oysters in vodka.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Last, time well you know what they're calling you? On
staff now What. Caviar colin that's the. New nickname he
used to be Coastally. Leaf colin now. IT'S caviar.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I listen i was willing to be vulnerable and put it.
OUT there i could HAVE said i went out there
and had a hot pocket and a corn dog and Related.
To AMERICA but i didn't.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Do that a. Hot pocket have you ever had a?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Hot?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Pocket yes how are they on That? Hot?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah yeah now. Corn dogs corn dogs are kind Of
A state. Fair thing. They're great pay me to have. A,
quace oh corn dogs. Are, great hey maybe only a couple,
of years but they're great a couple. Of years corn Dogs.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
State fair you're eating habits or you like to make
fun of, my Mutton which i've never had in. My
life but these, Corn dogs, come, on bro you're really eating.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Corn dong i'll have a corn dog. A year i
never had.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
One in, my Life but. I'M not i don't want to.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Have one sounds like a. YOU Problem j mack With. The, news,
no no this is The Herd.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Line news you want? A problem a torpedo bats, A,
problem colin that's what people are Asking G And carlos stanton,
right now. He's injured he has, elbow tendinitis and last
month he said some bat adjustments for the reason his
elbow is. Bothering him but YESTERDAY when i asked if
the torpedo bat, causes injury, he said you're not going
to get a story you're.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Looking for.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
This could be the first negative aspect of the. Torpedo
bats but again it's a big cood and. It's speculative
maybe it's his.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Sleep Again the yankees led Baseball and homer's, last year
so let's. Settle Down the twins used these last weekend and.
Got swept can we got ship Them to atlanta for?
Your Brain the dodgers are not reportedly using. Them yet
And Also john carlos stan has been hurt since he Was,
in florida like he's hurt all. THE time i don't
think it's. THE bat i think it's his body.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Breaks Down oh tony with a, Torpedo bat oh, my
gosh just shut shut.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
It down let me, ask you you're a great hitter
in baseball and somebody told you potentially you could. Be
greater would you screw.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
With it, of course if you could always, be better
you wouldn't you'd be happy with.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
YOUR greatness i Think i'd i'd take a few betps
with it and SEE if. I could i'd see what
it could do. With it but you gotta be careful baseball.
And golf you don't want to mess with. A swing like.
Baseball players there's kind of a rule in baseball that
don't play golf on an off day. LIKE that a
lot of baseball guys don't want to do the home,
run derby even for, a night like get out of
(23:47):
that home run. Derby STUFF some i think it's some
baseball players like golf swing like don't mess don't mess with,
your swing, your stance like just don't screw. With it
like there's a couple of years ago guys COMPLAINING like
i don't want to go to the home. RUNNER me
i don't want to sit there for two hours and
do unnatural swings the jacket out of. THE yard i
don't want to get in.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
My head.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
YOU know i just thought of the. Torpedo bats maybe
if they would have been Around With michael jordan was
trying to be a, baseball player would have. Helped him
she couldn't bat over. Two hundred he could have used a. Torpedo, O,
NO no i think there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
OF guys, i mean there's a lot of guys in
baseball that are playing at bat two. Forty two if
this could take you to two, Sixty, five yeah you
go from the ninth in the lineup to, The seventh
like it's.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
The. Thing YEAH if I if, i'm like, you know if, someone's, Like,
hey jay do you want to USE some hgh to
go from jacked? To arnold do you want to mess around?
With IT and, I would i would.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Consider, IT okay i.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Consider it that, story, is uh let's go To The
New york Giants And brian dable he's got A new.
Qb one It Is russell Wilson and dabell is singing
his praise as saying he certainly has ability to use
his legs, extend plays great, explosive plays phenomenal deep ball
thrower has created a bunch of explosive plays and scoring
(24:59):
points for. His Team and russ does a good job
making decisions with the football the games that. He's, played look.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
He goes from defensive culture to. Offensive coach so there's
every reason To believe russell will be the better version
of what he. Is now my guess is because he
played pretty well early in. The season my Guess Is
russell wilson will be better With the giants than he
(25:28):
was With, the steelers simply because of. The coaching a game.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
That's, or wins.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Just stats he'll be A better like at the end of,
last year they couldn't get. A touchdown they, were bad
but that's that's half Of. That's STEELERS so I think
russell will be a better Version of Russell And new York,
with dabel.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
No question the biggest surprise will they get out of
the cellar?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
This Year? The, giants, YEAH yeah. I think i Think
day balls were two Wins that schottenneimer. WOULD lose I
have cowboys in. Fourth, PLACE yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I don't i don't. Hate that final story happened last
night IN the. Nba column this is a little PRESSING
because i know you're Such A russell. Westbrook fan look
late in, the game, Down one westbrook with the steel blows.
The layup unbelievable Miss by, westbrook there but he compounds.
The mistake colin as they're nursing. The Lead Watch russell
wilson rotates to the shooter, and bro you found a
(26:17):
three point shooter at?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
The buzzer what.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
The hell are? You doing look at. His teammates if
you watch the, video again his teammates all put their
hands to their, head, like dude what are? You doing
And Then alexander walker buries two. Free throws. They win
everybody's Laughing At. Russell, westbrook well. He's not it was a.
ROUGH ending, i listen, YOU know i play a lot.
OF hoops i would probably just sit out basketball for
like three weeks if. That happened you cast.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
YOUR team i think THERE are I think russell's always been.
HYPER athletic i do not think he's got a ton
of basketball. Self awareness that's a. Great POINT but i
think he's a, great athlete In a Hall. Of famer,
but like this is just not, Come, On russell you've
been in the game. Too long that's.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Insane terrible and then mislayup with that he missed a free.
Throw earlier, it's, like dude look.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
AT that i, mean again he plays. So hard he's
been a plus For, the NUGGETS but i think this
is one of those situations where you would have to
ask Yourself, in denver do we want him on? The
court laid. In game that's a great quest his. Decision
making we know he's, an athlete we know, he's productive
he plays his. Butt off he can, he can he
can be. A playmaker but you get into these situational.
(27:21):
Basketball games he cost that team the. W, did now
this is the.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Interesting thing jokicic. Loves him jokicic loves playing with Him
because rush doesn't. Stop running he's cutting all. The Time
But michael malone is gonna lose his mind over stuff.
Like This colin nuggets are going to be interesting to
watch in the playoffs because what do you Do With
russ he's a. Non shooter you don't have to respect his. Jump,
shots yolkis by, the way wanted that win. Last night
did not sub out, after halftime told, The coach. I'm
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good we got to win. This, one now if you
look at the standings in the In The, western conference
college it Is This lakers warriors game is massive because
neither Of, those yeah. It's huge they want to Pass
the nuggets that coveted, two, seed right you want the
two or maybe the three To, Face, Memphis Denver, golden
(28:05):
state And, the lakers all jockeying. For position everybody wants To.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Play, MEMPHIS yes.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I don't think you really want To play minnesota.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
At, seven, no, no no you don't want To Play. Oklahoma
city you don't because they're on, a heater they're incredible.
At home nobody wants to, play THEM but.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I don't lakers are only a half game back of.
The three If the rockets stay at two And the
lakers can, get three just Put the lakers in the.
Conference finals lock. That up they will take Down the
grizzlies and Then the rockets in the, second round and
that would be amazing For. The, lakers, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah you jmack with.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
The news well that's, the news and thanks for. Stopping
that The Herd.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Line news good, Stuff today, Todd McShay chris brusard is
joining us a. Next hour. It is we had the over.
Under yesterday still feel strongly. ABOUT that i like when
we get a couple of weeks out from. The draft,
you know everybody is saying it's a, bad draft but that.
(29:10):
Doesn't necessarily, For instance i'll give you. An example there
are a couple of teams in this league like a
team Like The New. York giants so, you, say oh
it's a. Bad draft but If The New, york giants
who have a good left tackle right who have one
weapon and they have a pretty, good defense if they
Landed A travis hunter and then their second pick get
one of the top, five backs it's a tremendous draft
(29:32):
Of The New, york giants who have an, offensive coach
who have their, left tackle have an, elite weapon they
need a, running back and they need another. Top receiver
so you may think it's a. Bad draft and my
takeaway is If the giants Get A travis Hunter Like
new england's a. Great Example If travis hunter Falls To,
new england forget the rest of the draft that they
(29:55):
don't Have any they've been one of the slowest teams
in the league for, six years so what's A bad
it could be a bad Draft For kansas city because there's,
you know they need an offensive tackle and they're drafting
at the very end and the three best offensive tackles
are off, the board so like, you know you could
there are teams when you get In death valley in,
the draft which is like twenty. Four DOWN but. I start,
(30:18):
i mean is it going to be a bad draft For.
The titans if they Get, cam ward it could be
a franchise. Changing DRAFT and I think i think if
you look At, the giants If the giants could Get
A travis hunter with neighbors and then land a running
back in the second or, third round like an elite
running back available in the, third round it's a game
(30:40):
changing draft For. The giants they've got, defensive personnel they've
got the, offensive coach they've got the. Left tackle so,
YOU know I think i don't think it's a great
draft if you're deep in the. First Rabbit the niners
have twelve. Draft picks they have got a hit on a,
defensive lineman they've got a hit on an. Offensive tackle
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they need another. Running BACK so i mean, they're like
if you have twelve, draft, picks oh you have to
hit in. About Half If san francisco hits on half
at the, right spots a great draft for them because
they didn't want TO Lose, u funga they didn't want
to lose, green law and in one year they may
be Out Of. Trent williams So, Like, Niners, Giants Patriots,
(31:21):
tennessee titans these could be great drafts for. These teams
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Nfs one so, You know i've talked about this years and.
YEARS ago i used to talk about this all. The
time one of the mistakes college like programs make all.
The time and this will Become a steeler topic In
An aaron rodgers' topic in. A second but is that
they have a long time assistant within the program and
then the legendary coach leaves and they just elevate the.
(33:13):
Longtime assistant and my, take is if he, was great
he wouldn't still be. An assistant somebody would have a cherry,
picked Him like alabama to, their Credit Like nick saban
left and, they're, like, no we're Gonna get Kaylin de
borr from. Across country like that's the way you, do
it but. You DON'T and i grew up In The
pacific northwest and all My, Schools Washington, Washington, State Oregon.
(33:33):
Oregon state too often like let's just elevate the. Number,
two well you're not at number two for. Very long in.
Any business if, you're great you go across the street
and make six times. The money AND so i Think
The pittsburgh steelers have had a really bad off season
and when their general manager retired about a, year ago
they just Moved Up, omar kahan who'd been in the. Organization,
(33:55):
forever now maybe he's the best guy for. The job
but they didn't go outside of the walls of of,
you know and there's a lot of really good young
gms in. THIS league, i mean where do you Think
the rams find McVeigh he's thirty. Years, old, coaches gms,
you know they're guys are poaching the McVeigh tree. For
coaches guys are Poaching The Kansas city chiefs And the
(34:17):
patriots for years for their. Personnel, people right doesn't mean
they all, Make IT but i didn't love When The,
detroit Lions When ben, johnson leaves who's this superstar offensive
coach and let's just bring a guy up in. Our
building maybe, it works but was he the best person
available in. The country probably not one of. The chances
(34:38):
So the steelers lose a GREAT. Legendary gm they move
a guy up in, the building and maybe, he's FINE
but i don't like his first big YEARS. A gm
there's a Quote Here, mike sando great writer of the
athletic really, trust him quotes multiple people IN the nfl
On the. Steelers offseason one of, Them Says, Aaron rodgers
pickens AND d k if that's not hard knocks at
(34:59):
better be can't think of a worse combination for this to.
Play out that is a lot of high. Maintenance people another,
one says in what world do you LOOK at dk, and,
go yeah let's give him thirty million a year and
trade for a. Number two that. Struck me as you're In, ON, Brandon,
I yuke you've been in all those three of. Those
Guys maybe tomlin can bring out the best. IN him
(35:20):
i could see elements of why they like it pairing Him,
with rogers seems. Really odd THAT'S what. I said dk metcalf.
Is talented last year he accounted for thirty four. First
Sounds Imer On saint brown accounted for for, double that
and he gets penalized. A Lot so pickens, Is emotional,
Dky's emotional. Aaron's emotional it's got a lot of. Combustibility
(35:43):
here it just DOES and i don't. Love. It Apparently
art rooney the second Said On, aaron rodgers all signs
are positive it's going. To happen so my guess is it'll.
Be interesting it'll feel like. Hard KNOCKS but i mean
we've said. This before noise is your enemy IN the nfl,
(36:04):
Last year real noisy front Office With, Joe Shane saquon
barkley And. The giants how did it? Work out for
all the News the, eagles make they don't make that
much noise in the. Off season they just. Get better
they don't make a lot. Of NOISE so DK and I.
Like dk he's, got talent he's a, different Body but pickens.
IS immature dk wants, the Ball and aaron can, get
(36:28):
moody and he's kind of a brooding personality and he's past.
His prime so and then you throw in this sort
of small town. DEFENSIVE culture i said. This yesterday It
sounds aaron To, the steelers sounds better than, it, Is
right like it sounds bigger than it is.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
IT is.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
I.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
DON'T know i just think. It's weird so the other
topics today We had todd McShay talking about This And
albert brewer Yesterday Is. Shaduur sanders there's multiple stories now
this Morning That shadeur sanders is going to drop in.
The draft and We Saw dan marino drop in. The
draft We Saw aaron rodgers dropping. A draft it happens
(37:13):
because how many teams generally need a, quarterback badly like
about four to five, a year and there's usually only
two to three first Round Quarterback Like. Jalen milroe it's
not a first round, quarterback talent but he's such a
good kid and such a. GREAT athlete i think he'll
go late. FIRST round i Don't Think jalen millroe is he's,
a mechanical. He's inconsistent he should not play as, a
(37:36):
rookie but he may go first round because his intangibles
are off. The charts, great kid, great family. Unbelievable athlete
but Here Was albert brier a couple of weeks ago
Talking About shador sanders and the concerns.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
WITH him i think the Issue is shador and this
is going to be a difficult thing for him to
address over the next six or seven months or six or.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Seven weeks is are you special in? Anyone area do
you have a?
Speaker 9 (38:03):
Superpower trait or are you an average athlete with an
average arm IN an? Nfl CONTEXT and i think that
that's the way a lot of teams look. At him
he's not a, great athlete he doesn't have a big or,
so like where is the superpower that's going to make
you want to take him in the.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Top five so one of the things that teams do
IN the nfl they practice. The draft they have dry,
run throughs and they'll do two or three before, the
draft and you know they they what they do is
is they throw in. Wild cards the gm sits everybody
down and we've got. Wild CARDS and i think what's
fascinating when you Get An aaron rodgers, that drops Or
(38:42):
A lamar jackson or somebody, like that all of a
sudden you look up, and go like, last year remember,
the draft it was. All offense early And the colts
did not think they were going to get arguably the
best pass rusher in the draft in the middle of the.
First round but it was a weird draft that went
all offense and yet these really good, defensive players and
all of, a sudden the, culture like, all, right well
(39:03):
we didn't think he was going to. Be available And
the rams last year tried to move up For. Brock
bowers they really tried to, move up and they were
willing to give away a lot of picks and it didn't.
Work out but there are some things you know that
are going to happen in, this Draft Like travis hunter
will be off, The Board abnuel Carter, cam ward some
guys are going to be off. The board But if,
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shader drops the One team i'm fascinated with is what
if You're. THE raiders, I Mean chip kelly looks, at
him seventy four percent, completion percentage saw a lot of them,
in college got a lot, of snaps. SUPER accurate, i
mean all of, a sudden you look up and your
six or seven or eight, or nine and, YOU'RE like i,
(39:46):
think it what happens if put off our top? Ten
AGAIN so I mean tennessee's Taking cam ward the rest
of these Teams if cleveland doesn't, take Him And russell
wilson's going to be a better version of Last Year's.
RUSSELL wilson, I mean patriots aren't, Taking him. JAGS aren't
i Mean the raiders are going To sign gino to
a three. Year, deal so, oh Joe the jets are
(40:08):
not going to bring it a young guy to Compete Against.
Justin fields? Why not because you've got To Give justin
fields one year of it is. His team.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
YOU can't i don't know that you have to. Do
that But.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Perhaps carol saints, Maybe maybe.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
So let's turn it back a. Little bit so all,
These criticisms i'm Listening to breer and McShay and all.
These guys shador doesn't. Run well he's, not fast he's
not mobile in. The pocket there's an easy way to.
Dispute that go run, Your forty go run the three,
cone drill go do all. That stuff you're a, good
athlete shouldn't? You do shouldn't shoudor go out there to
do that and prove to THEM that. I Can because
(40:42):
i'm watching all these. Tape highlights he looks fine in,
the pocket.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Doesn't, he no, he moves he doesn't look.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Like, He's plotting he's not, something like He's Not. Matt
ryan the men's shoes in, the pocket right he something's going?
On here call this just. Feels weird all season We Watch. Colorado,
shador oh this guy's a top. Five pick He's got
he's got a top five. For sure and now, it's.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
LIKE yeah i, don't know yeah they have people are
saying he's. Not athletic he. Moves fine he is.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
A vertical who do? A? Vertical now is that not
enough For your.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Nobody moves like he Moves Like. Joe burrow he. Moves
fine You Know joe burrow is really good in. The,
pot YEAH but i Think Like tony Romo And, joe
burrow like they move better, than average but they're. NOT
great I think chador Is Not matt Ryan Or jared Goff.
OR brady i think he's Closer To joe Burrow And
joe burrow moves more.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Than well my thing, is like is he more athletic Than.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
BROCK perty i think they're about.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
The, same okay so the only problem Is brock perty
was the last pick in. The Draft tony romo is
an undrafted, free, Agent right you're Not talking shaduur, TOP three.
I don't I Think.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Tony romo is more Talented. Than shaduur is. A quarterback
I think I thought wa coming out. Of College, H,
TONY well i didn't see him, in college BUT when
I Watched tony romo play With, The cowboys i'm like, his,
CAREER yeah i mean He's a tony was, very athletic overachieved. Big,
Time YEAH but i think by the time he got TO,
the Nfl the cowboys didn't have great old lines. With
him dak got all the great. Old lines tony got
(42:08):
beat up for years because they had. Badtle line that's
a Hot.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Take tony tony was.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Very good HE'S a b plus PLUS plus. Nfl quarterback
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Here we go. It's hour two, it is a Wednesday.
We're live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Tood mcshae
an old friend, going to be joining us in four
or five minutes. Also, Chris Bursard next hour. So the
NFL Draft is obviously, and we'll talk on that with
mcshay's here in five minutes. It's coming up in three weeks.
(00:46):
So Steph Curry overshadowed by Yokic having sixty one. Steph
Curry had fifty two last night, hit a dozen three pointers,
Warriors beat the fading Grizzlies. So I always think about this.
We've talked about this, how certain players in the NBA
are great, Kevin Durant, Carmelo, Anthony, James Harden, they're not influential.
Shack was great. He wasn't that influential, Magic Bird, Lebron,
(01:13):
Steph Curry are influential. It's like Jeff Bezos is rich
and influential. He ended mals, He changed retail in America.
That's influential. Elon Musk even before Doge, you know, politics
aside automotive industry, space industry like that. That. Larry Ellison
(01:34):
is really rich one hundred and ninety two billion, He
owns half a Hawaii. He doesn't he doesn't feel half
as influential as like Steve Jobs did, like like brought
art into tech. Larry Ellison just a really smart guy
that and super rich.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And that's kind of the difference is Steph Curry. You know,
Tim Duncan and Wilt great influential, just great. Steph's just different,
I mean, change basketball overseas au basketball. And we always
knew he would be a guy that would age well.
Smart athletes age well. They take care of their body.
(02:12):
You know, guys that are still go to nightclubs or
don't eat right, or they're not intentional you know with
their training, they age very quickly. I always said Cam
Newton and Big Ben aged very quickly. Brady really intentional
with his diet pilates, training, aged incredibly well, and Steph
falls into that class. But it's just it's it's really
(02:35):
remarkable what he's done. He is and he's not athletically
a force of nature Shack was. But the second best
part of Steph is he just works well with everybody. Right,
you don't get a lot of ego. And I've said
international soccer in the NBA, you know, listen, it's about
the star as much as the team. See, you got
(02:56):
to battle some of the ego stuff. I mean, Lebron's
got an ego, but Lebron plays well with others. D
Wade has an ego, he played well with others. Carmelo
not so much. He kind of wanted to be the guy.
He was threatened by Jeremy Lynn at one point. So
I think Steph's aging well. And Steve Kerrz talking about it, I.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Can't believe he's still still doing this at this age.
But he's put the work in and they still got it.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
How much do you think that week off he just
had maybe boosted.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
It a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think it helped, and I think two rounds of
golf on this road trip helped. Yeah, I'm not I'm
only half joking, you know, But yeah, the week off
was helpful for him. I think he looks recharged, rejuvenated.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
How about this Lakers Warriors, if the playoffs started today,
would meet. Now, that's not what you want. You want
those two advance. You want the story to be expanded.
You love the Lakers and Warriors to win and then
meet in the second or the third round. But that's
where it is today. I will tell you I was
thinking about this Lakers Warriors. The Warriors have a really
(04:02):
deep bench, and the bench gives you Looney and Post
give you size. Buddy Heal gives you shooting, kaminga gives
you athleticism. The Warriors have one of the better benches,
like the Boston Celtics in the NBA. In the playoffs, though,
are you gonna trust Gie Santos? Are you gonna play
him a lot? I'm not sure if you are. Are
you gonna play Post a lot? You know, the guy
(04:25):
from the Netherlands. Are you gonna play him a lot
in the postseason? Maybe not, You'll play Looney more so.
But it's getting real interesting now. The thunder in the Rockets,
especially the Thunder, have pulled away from everybody man, it
is really really how good I mean, the Timberwolves are seven.
That is a good team. That is that is an
(04:48):
all time great number seven seat. Do we have the
Eastern Conference standings for us? Because think about this, Like
you could get Kawhi Leonard, you can get depth Zubab.
It's the center. Like the Clippers are a good team.
They're not a great team, and you never know who's
gonna actually play, but it's a good team. Timberwolves as
a seven seed compared to a seven seed in the East.
(05:12):
And I've said this, I don't know exactly why this is,
but the Western Conference, like I understand why the SEC
is better in college football, the footprint, there's all these
unbelievable athletes, these totally addicted high school football programs. Like
I get wife. High school football is good in Dallas
(05:32):
or Georgia or Florida, like I get it. The Western
Conference has been so much deeper and better than the
Eastern Conference. Now, I do think the Celtics and the
Caves are the two best teams, but the Orlando Magic
are three games under five hundred, they're a seven seed
in the East. And the t Wolves that just beat
the Nuggets. The great staff. They're a seven seed in
(05:53):
the West, so the gap is significant. Well a buddy
NFL draft college analyst now he's at the Good for him.
Todd mcshagh, I haven't talked in a while, joining us
live in the Urn, Todd, how are you great to
have yond congrats on your success and congrats on going
to the Ringer Man. Thanks man, it's good to talk
to you.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
It's been a minute. You were always supportive of me
at our during our last adventure if you will, and
venture certainly at an ESPN, and it's great to catch
up with you.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So it's all I keep hearing from my people in
the league is this is not a great draft. And
I'm like, Okay, there's got to be a couple areas
that you like it. So if I said to you,
give me two position groups, Todd, that you'll go to
the well on and you'll say, Okay, it's a good
year for what in this draft?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Running backs and defensive line Colin. I mean, I was
looking at it the other day. I went back thirty
years and then I kind of got I kind of
got bored in the last thirty years. I think it
was twenty six defensive lineman. That was the highest number
we've seen and talking interior defensive line in an edge,
and this year I've got thirty five players along the
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interior and at edge that could get drafted in the
first three rounds.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So even if I'm.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Off by like eight, if my evaluation's too high on
eight of these guys, it still will be a record
number of interior defensive linemen and edge defenders that come
off the board. And then at running back, this is
this is the best group I've ever evaluated. I've been
doing it twenty five years, and it starts with astroon
gent right, who's going to be a worst case he
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goes ten to Chicago, we could see him go six
to the Raiders. I mean, he's if you when I'm
talking to guys in the league, it's like, yeah, he's
a running back, but I've got a grade on him.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
That's like just to tick below the.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Top two guys that everyone's talking about in Abdul Carter,
the edge rusher from Pedt State, and Travis Hunter, the
generational talent.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
Both sides of the ball from Colorado.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
And then beyond just genty, you've got Omari and Hampton,
who's like two twenty plus, light on his feet, powerful,
best mistackles force of any running back after the.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Catch is a receiver. So he's got that combinations.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, Oh, he's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
I've got eighteen guys Colin and at the running back
position in the first four rounds with grades the three
year average is ten.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
We're talking about almost twice as much talent in the
first full Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
And you go down the list of these guys and
it's beyond Jinty and Hampton, it's Trevon Henderson and couch
On Judkins from Ohio State who are just, first of all,
nasty blockers, both explosive, Judkins more powerful, Henderson faster and
more dangerous in the passing game. Then you've got Caleb
Johnson from from Iowa who is great in that zone
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blocking scheme. Cam Scattabo who was like he was awesome
when you watched him on TV and then putting on
the tape, I actually even liked him more. And I
know he's gonna eat runs in the four sixes and
all of that, but he's.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
A phenomenal back.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
And then even beyond that, you've got our A Harvey
from UCF DJ Giddons from Kansas State, lesser known guys
who are gonna come off the board in the first
few rounds. I just I love this class of running backs.
And you've seen it Colin right, Like, with Cover two
defenses and everyone in the league spreading things out, everything's cyclical, right,
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you spread these these defenses out. The passing game heavy
in the last decade of the NFL. Now teams are
trying to figure out art how do we counter that?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And it's not We've.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Seen a resurgence at running back. And yes, this talent
is outstanding and that a lot of these guys would
go regardless, irregardless of the year. But with the NFL
and defenses playing that Cover two making you kind of
drive the ball down the field, trying to avoid the
big plays from the Patrick Mahomes and the Josh Allens
and all these big armed quarterbacks, You've got to have
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a running back now to counter it.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
It's explosive and that's.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Why you saw That's why you saw Detroit and everyone
was yelling at Brad Holmes, the GM for the Lions
a couple of years with Jamier Gibbs. Can't draft a
running back that high. Your he got a running back.
Well look at what that did to that offense. And
when the starter goes out a few weeks and when
you've got both of them healthy, it just elevated things.
I think that's what we're seeing in the NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Okay, so cam Wore the playmaker got a little Kleb Williams.
I see it. I get it better arm than Shador.
If I said to you and you're hearing stories about
this Chadure Sanders Jackson Dart, are there people you believe
that grade Jackson Dart ahead of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I know of one team that does.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I can tell you that there's there's thirty one other teams,
and that team may not draft either of these these quarterbacks.
But I can tell you that at least one team
in the league has a slightly higher grade on Jackson
Dart than they do on Shador Sanders, and so to me,
I have identical grades on them.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I watch Jackson Dart and listen.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
I like Shadoor Sanders a lot doesn't have a huge arm,
does not have mobility. I think that's the biggest mistake
in the evaluation, at least early in the process. Well,
he's coach prime Son. He's fast. He's not fast at all.
I bet you he'd run like a I don't know,
four to eight in the forty if he ever ran one,
and he's never going to. But what I do love
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about him is I think he's the fastest processor of
all these quarterbacks in the passing game. Now, his instincts
in terms of the pocket and kind of extending and
drifting and always looking for the home run and not
taking the short change, those sorts of things he'll manage through.
And if people don't like him, what they say is
he has some of the bad habits that Caleb Williams had.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
The cause of problems as a rookie.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
But he doesn't have the armor and he has a
fraction of the athleticism. But the people who love him
love the fact that he's the best pure passer in
terms of touch, timing, layering the football, and he's the
fastest processor in this class. Now you go to Jackson Dart,
bigger arm, bigger kid, more mobile. I think accuracy is good,
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but it's not quite at the level of Shador. But
the thing that made me fall in love with him,
And listen, the detractors will say well, Lane Kiffen that offense,
they run that same sale route concept and they'll run
it three four times a game, and they do things
over and over again, predetermined reads and yeah, that's true.
It doesn't mean he can't do it. It's a matter
of getting with him and figuring out how he learns.
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Can he go through NFL reads and all those things.
But when I fell in love with Jackson Dart, there's
when you have the tape access that we have, like
the PFF Ultimate combined with the Catapult, this whole system.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
You can go in and do cutups, go in and
watch his cutups.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
On his intermediate throws ten to twenty five yards, and
watch his accuracy compared to a lot of other guys
in this class. And then the thing that really jumped
out to me. I watched over twelve hundred snaps in
like a five day span of these quarterbacks versus pressure.
His was so significantly better, and I saw a lot
of like, I know, he's not the size and he
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doesn't have the arm, but a lot of the same
things that makes Josh Allen special in terms of avoiding
quickly eluding.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
But calm this presence about him as he's rolling out
and seeing the field. He was so much better in
those versus pressure moments to throw that one hundred and
sixty one clip reel that I went through than all
of these other quarterbacks were. That to me, spoke volumes
because that in the NFL, you've got you have got
to make intermediate throws and you've got to be able
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to work under pressure. And he did both of those
at all miss at a very high level.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Okay, Travis Hunter. First of all, I think he's going
to be good at whatever he does. But if I
was a coach, I'd be like, I'd rather have twelve
targets than chasing the other team's best receiver around. I
can get a corner in the fifth round. There is
no more lockdown corner as good as Patrick's or Tans.
There's so much motion, so many sets, the great offensive
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coaches making it virtually impossible to get your hands on anybody.
If I'm New England and I can get twelve targets
for this kid, fly sweeps bubble screens, I don't know.
To me, I think he's an offensive player in the
NFL if we want to put him in a nickel
because we love his athletic ability, but don't just see
him as an offensive guy in an offensive league.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
You know, It's funny, like there's there's two trains of
thoughts thought here. The first is cornerback. It's hard to
play wide receiver full time, and then kind of moonlight
or minor at the cornerback position, right, And so so
coaches get involved in this process and they're like, yeah,
I understand it, but we can put in installs every
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week and have like a twenty play package for Travis
on the offensive side. And so from a coaching standpoint,
that makes more sense. Let's keep him in the cornerback room.
He can do some things and work with wide receivers
and work with the quarterback on the field, and we
can meet separately with those, but let's make him a
corner and then do the install and some packages for
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him on offense. Okay, but the talent and what you're
saying those two factors, I think he's actually a better
wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
I think he's at his best with the ball in
his hand.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
And the thing that goes, like we all get so
caught up in what we're showing the highlights, right, how
quick he is, how sudden, he is. He's a dynamic athlete.
I'm telling you, Colin, he's up there in like the
top five of wide receivers in terms of ball skills
in like the past decade that I've evaluated. It goes
so and so, while that's great at corner, how many
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interceptions is he really going to have? So the average
guy would get three, maybe he gets five in a year.
But if I can have that weapon, who's that reliable
and refine him a little bit of as a route runner,
and I already think he's a little bit more refined
as a receiver and than a corner I tend to
agree if he falls to New England at four, you're
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telling me that they're looking at that and say, well, sorry, sorry,
Drake May, We're gonna play them at corner, but we'll
give you like twenty snaps with no chance. Man, it
will come down to the team that drafts him in
what they need from him, and then the kind of
the load management NBA stuff with him and trying to
keep him healthy.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
But ultimately, I.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Want to get the ball in this guy's hands, and
I think you know, we all know that offense is
the way to do that.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Todd mcshae now at the Ringer. One last question on this,
because when I was a kid, I mean I can
remember the top two or three tight ends Dave Casper
for the Raiders because there were so few of them.
Kellen Winslow, Well, I always had this theory is that
as people got bigger, as athletes got bigger, and we've
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just got more six foot five, two hundred and forty
pound men playing sports, and they've got good hands because
they played on their high school basketball team, and so
you know, humans are getting a little bigger. But what's
interesting about the tight end is we just have so
many great six five, two hundred and thirty five pound
high school athletes all over the country, and it's like, well,
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let's put them at tight end. Some can block, some can't.
But I look at the tight end position now and
I never thought tight end was a first round position.
Brock Bauers total outlier, best college tight end I've ever seen.
Kyle Pitch not as good as I thought I But
I do look at Tyler Warren at Penn State and
I was I watched that USC game and I'm sitting
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there and I'm like, dude, if I had to do
I could could he throw the ball? Could I put
him in the backfield? What do you make of him
as a prospect? Because I keep hearing it to a
weak draft, and I'm like, if you told me one
guy went in this draft and we look five years
later and went mad. We just didn't get how good
this guy was. He is different. What do you make
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of him historically? As comp and the Penn State tight end?
He is different.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
I mean he's he's six' five and two thirds and
he's two hundred and fifty six, pounds and when you
see him like break tackles and rumbling after the, Catch you're, like,
yeah he's every bit of.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
That then you see him as a as.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
A route, runner as an, ATHLETE i mean he snapped
the ball and then in that game and went and
caught a touchdown passing THE usc.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
So like he could just kind of he's kind.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Of different that you can and people are, like, well
he's not a great, Blocker like, yeah no, Kidding like
he was doing everything else and, yeah he's got to
improve in that.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
AREA i think he's so good after the.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
CATCH i think he knows how to get open even
though he doesn't separate Like Colston. Lovelin if you want
a wide receiver at tight, end that's your. Guy, yeah
he doesn't block like he's terrible at. Blocking let's just
call it what it. Is Colston lovelin's a wide and
he's he's a little bit more like Brock bauers just
to tick behind.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Him in terms of, Talent.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Warren is different.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Man like you're watching the highlights, here he reminds me
more Of. Gronk If lovelan is Is bowers Or kelsey
in that, mode this Guy's, gronk and that's he's going
to become a serviceable. Blocker but what he does so
well is he's gonna find a way to get open
versus zone boxing guys out catch the, ball and then
after the, catch he creates so many yards with his
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combination of his athleticism and then the fact that he's
just barreling through.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Guys so and then.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Also there's this guy Named Elijah arroyo who's six,' five
two hundred and fifty one Pounds, from miami who looks
like he's about two thirty the way he carries.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
His weight he had one year of great Production.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
At miami this past year had, some injuries but if he,
stays healthy he's got a chance to be. A star
And Then jason, Taylor's Son mason taylor wasn't even utilized
all that WELL. AT lsu a lot of underneath and
like really stretch the scenem and do those sorts.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Of things he's he's the, same guy six four and
a half two hundred and fifty one pounds as a
royo and has an unbelievable skill set across.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
The board those four tight ends have a chance to
make a significant mark early in their careers and throughout.
Their CAREERS and i think all four of them are
going to be off the touch off, the board probably
in the top forty to forty.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Five, picks todd you, Look great you. Sound great happy.
For you you landed in a. Great spot Say to
bill and, the fellas what, a crush. MY man i, appreciate.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
It brother i'll talk to, you soon, All.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Right todd McShay on. Good, STUFF yeah i sat and
watched that seventeen catch GAME against usc and you just
put the, kid anywhere. You know and It's funny loveland
Plays for michigan because slender kind of a slender. Tight
END but i think about This like warren with the
right offensive coach or a, DEFENSIVE coach i Feel like
warren is gonna. Work Everywhere Like. Brock powers last Year
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the raiders were. All Defense brock powers. Was unbelievable Loveland
from michigan's a guy that you give him to McVeigh and, you're,
like oh now they can play games that you give
him that you give by, THE way i Could See
kansas city moving up And getting loveland, and, Saying. Okay kelsey, last,
Year McVeigh, matt LeFleur a shanahan certain guys Would take
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loveland the tight end and. Really play because he, didn't
block you're not gonna have him on third or. Fourth
Down but warren's a guy it's like on, FOURTH down
i may snap it. To him he can.
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Speaker 3 (21:08):
You Like.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Chris Broussard Last nar todd mcshade did a. GREAT job
i mean that guy's, a machine, absolute machine knocking it
out of. The park you still don't you don't think
less of ME after i had caviar and oysters in vodka.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Last, time well you know what they're calling you? On
staff now What. Caviar colin that's the. New nickname he
used to be Coastally. Leaf colin now. IT'S caviar.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I listen i was willing to be vulnerable and put it.
OUT there i could HAVE said i went out there
and had a hot pocket and a corn dog and Related.
To AMERICA but i didn't.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Do that a. Hot pocket have you ever had a?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Hot?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Pocket yes how are they on That? Hot?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah yeah now. Corn dogs corn dogs are kind Of
A state. Fair thing. They're great pay me to have. A,
quace oh corn dogs. Are, great hey maybe only a couple,
of years but they're great a couple. Of years corn Dogs.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
State fair you're eating habits or you like to make
fun of, my Mutton which i've never had in. My
life but these, Corn dogs, come, on bro you're really eating.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Corn dong i'll have a corn dog. A year i
never had.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
One in, my Life but. I'M not i don't want to.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Have one sounds like a. YOU Problem j mack With. The, news,
no no this is The Herd.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Line news you want? A problem a torpedo bats, A,
problem colin that's what people are Asking G And carlos stanton,
right now. He's injured he has, elbow tendinitis and last
month he said some bat adjustments for the reason his
elbow is. Bothering him but YESTERDAY when i asked if
the torpedo bat, causes injury, he said you're not going
to get a story you're.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Looking for.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
This could be the first negative aspect of the. Torpedo
bats but again it's a big cood and. It's speculative
maybe it's his.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Sleep Again the yankees led Baseball and homer's, last year
so let's. Settle Down the twins used these last weekend and.
Got swept can we got ship Them to atlanta for?
Your Brain the dodgers are not reportedly using. Them yet
And Also john carlos stan has been hurt since he Was,
in florida like he's hurt all. THE time i don't
think it's. THE bat i think it's his body.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Breaks Down oh tony with a, Torpedo bat oh, my
gosh just shut shut.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
It down let me, ask you you're a great hitter
in baseball and somebody told you potentially you could. Be
greater would you screw.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
With it, of course if you could always, be better
you wouldn't you'd be happy with.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
YOUR greatness i Think i'd i'd take a few betps
with it and SEE if. I could i'd see what
it could do. With it but you gotta be careful baseball.
And golf you don't want to mess with. A swing like.
Baseball players there's kind of a rule in baseball that
don't play golf on an off day. LIKE that a
lot of baseball guys don't want to do the home,
run derby even for, a night like get out of
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that home run. Derby STUFF some i think it's some
baseball players like golf swing like don't mess don't mess with,
your swing, your stance like just don't screw. With it
like there's a couple of years ago guys COMPLAINING like
i don't want to go to the home. RUNNER me
i don't want to sit there for two hours and
do unnatural swings the jacket out of. THE yard i
don't want to get in.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
My head.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
YOU know i just thought of the. Torpedo bats maybe
if they would have been Around With michael jordan was
trying to be a, baseball player would have. Helped him
she couldn't bat over. Two hundred he could have used a. Torpedo, O,
NO no i think there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
OF guys, i mean there's a lot of guys in
baseball that are playing at bat two. Forty two if
this could take you to two, Sixty, five yeah you
go from the ninth in the lineup to, The seventh
like it's.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
The. Thing YEAH if I if, i'm like, you know if, someone's, Like,
hey jay do you want to USE some hgh to
go from jacked? To arnold do you want to mess around?
With IT and, I would i would.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Consider, IT okay i.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Consider it that, story, is uh let's go To The
New york Giants And brian dable he's got A new.
Qb one It Is russell Wilson and dabell is singing
his praise as saying he certainly has ability to use
his legs, extend plays great, explosive plays phenomenal deep ball
thrower has created a bunch of explosive plays and scoring
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points for. His Team and russ does a good job
making decisions with the football the games that. He's, played look.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
He goes from defensive culture to. Offensive coach so there's
every reason To believe russell will be the better version
of what he. Is now my guess is because he
played pretty well early in. The season my Guess Is
russell wilson will be better With the giants than he
(25:28):
was With, the steelers simply because of. The coaching a game.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
That's, or wins.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Just stats he'll be A better like at the end of,
last year they couldn't get. A touchdown they, were bad
but that's that's half Of. That's STEELERS so I think
russell will be a better Version of Russell And new York,
with dabel.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
No question the biggest surprise will they get out of
the cellar?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
This Year? The, giants, YEAH yeah. I think i Think
day balls were two Wins that schottenneimer. WOULD lose I
have cowboys in. Fourth, PLACE yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I don't i don't. Hate that final story happened last
night IN the. Nba column this is a little PRESSING
because i know you're Such A russell. Westbrook fan look
late in, the game, Down one westbrook with the steel blows.
The layup unbelievable Miss by, westbrook there but he compounds.
The mistake colin as they're nursing. The Lead Watch russell
wilson rotates to the shooter, and bro you found a
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three point shooter at?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
The buzzer what.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
The hell are? You doing look at. His teammates if
you watch the, video again his teammates all put their
hands to their, head, like dude what are? You doing
And Then alexander walker buries two. Free throws. They win
everybody's Laughing At. Russell, westbrook well. He's not it was a.
ROUGH ending, i listen, YOU know i play a lot.
OF hoops i would probably just sit out basketball for
like three weeks if. That happened you cast.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
YOUR team i think THERE are I think russell's always been.
HYPER athletic i do not think he's got a ton
of basketball. Self awareness that's a. Great POINT but i
think he's a, great athlete In a Hall. Of famer,
but like this is just not, Come, On russell you've
been in the game. Too long that's.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Insane terrible and then mislayup with that he missed a free.
Throw earlier, it's, like dude look.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
AT that i, mean again he plays. So hard he's
been a plus For, the NUGGETS but i think this
is one of those situations where you would have to
ask Yourself, in denver do we want him on? The
court laid. In game that's a great quest his. Decision
making we know he's, an athlete we know, he's productive
he plays his. Butt off he can, he can he
can be. A playmaker but you get into these situational.
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Basketball games he cost that team the. W, did now
this is the.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Interesting thing jokicic. Loves him jokicic loves playing with Him
because rush doesn't. Stop running he's cutting all. The Time
But michael malone is gonna lose his mind over stuff.
Like This colin nuggets are going to be interesting to
watch in the playoffs because what do you Do With
russ he's a. Non shooter you don't have to respect his. Jump,
shots yolkis by, the way wanted that win. Last night
did not sub out, after halftime told, The coach. I'm
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good we got to win. This, one now if you
look at the standings in the In The, western conference
college it Is This lakers warriors game is massive because
neither Of, those yeah. It's huge they want to Pass
the nuggets that coveted, two, seed right you want the
two or maybe the three To, Face, Memphis Denver, golden
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state And, the lakers all jockeying. For position everybody wants To.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Play, MEMPHIS yes.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I don't think you really want To play minnesota.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
At, seven, no, no no you don't want To Play. Oklahoma
city you don't because they're on, a heater they're incredible.
At home nobody wants to, play THEM but.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I don't lakers are only a half game back of.
The three If the rockets stay at two And the
lakers can, get three just Put the lakers in the.
Conference finals lock. That up they will take Down the
grizzlies and Then the rockets in the, second round and
that would be amazing For. The, lakers, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah you jmack with.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
The news well that's, the news and thanks for. Stopping
that The Herd.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Line news good, Stuff today, Todd McShay chris brusard is
joining us a. Next hour. It is we had the over.
Under yesterday still feel strongly. ABOUT that i like when
we get a couple of weeks out from. The draft,
you know everybody is saying it's a, bad draft but that.
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Doesn't necessarily, For instance i'll give you. An example there
are a couple of teams in this league like a
team Like The New. York giants so, you, say oh
it's a. Bad draft but If The New, york giants
who have a good left tackle right who have one
weapon and they have a pretty, good defense if they
Landed A travis hunter and then their second pick get
one of the top, five backs it's a tremendous draft
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Of The New, york giants who have an, offensive coach
who have their, left tackle have an, elite weapon they
need a, running back and they need another. Top receiver
so you may think it's a. Bad draft and my
takeaway is If the giants Get A travis Hunter Like
new england's a. Great Example If travis hunter Falls To,
new england forget the rest of the draft that they
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don't Have any they've been one of the slowest teams
in the league for, six years so what's A bad
it could be a bad Draft For kansas city because there's,
you know they need an offensive tackle and they're drafting
at the very end and the three best offensive tackles
are off, the board so like, you know you could
there are teams when you get In death valley in,
the draft which is like twenty. Four DOWN but. I start,
(30:18):
i mean is it going to be a bad draft For.
The titans if they Get, cam ward it could be
a franchise. Changing DRAFT and I think i think if
you look At, the giants If the giants could Get
A travis hunter with neighbors and then land a running
back in the second or, third round like an elite
running back available in the, third round it's a game
(30:40):
changing draft For. The giants they've got, defensive personnel they've
got the, offensive coach they've got the. Left tackle so,
YOU know I think i don't think it's a great
draft if you're deep in the. First Rabbit the niners
have twelve. Draft picks they have got a hit on a,
defensive lineman they've got a hit on an. Offensive tackle
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they need another. Running BACK so i mean, they're like
if you have twelve, draft, picks oh you have to
hit in. About Half If san francisco hits on half
at the, right spots a great draft for them because
they didn't want TO Lose, u funga they didn't want
to lose, green law and in one year they may
be Out Of. Trent williams So, Like, Niners, Giants Patriots,
(31:21):
tennessee titans these could be great drafts for. These teams
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Nfs one so, You know i've talked about this years and.
YEARS ago i used to talk about this all. The
time one of the mistakes college like programs make all.
The time and this will Become a steeler topic In
An aaron rodgers' topic in. A second but is that
they have a long time assistant within the program and
then the legendary coach leaves and they just elevate the.
(33:13):
Longtime assistant and my, take is if he, was great
he wouldn't still be. An assistant somebody would have a cherry,
picked Him like alabama to, their Credit Like nick saban
left and, they're, like, no we're Gonna get Kaylin de
borr from. Across country like that's the way you, do
it but. You DON'T and i grew up In The
pacific northwest and all My, Schools Washington, Washington, State Oregon.
(33:33):
Oregon state too often like let's just elevate the. Number,
two well you're not at number two for. Very long in.
Any business if, you're great you go across the street
and make six times. The money AND so i Think
The pittsburgh steelers have had a really bad off season
and when their general manager retired about a, year ago
they just Moved Up, omar kahan who'd been in the. Organization,
(33:55):
forever now maybe he's the best guy for. The job
but they didn't go outside of the walls of of,
you know and there's a lot of really good young
gms in. THIS league, i mean where do you Think
the rams find McVeigh he's thirty. Years, old, coaches gms,
you know they're guys are poaching the McVeigh tree. For
coaches guys are Poaching The Kansas city chiefs And the
(34:17):
patriots for years for their. Personnel, people right doesn't mean
they all, Make IT but i didn't love When The,
detroit Lions When ben, johnson leaves who's this superstar offensive
coach and let's just bring a guy up in. Our
building maybe, it works but was he the best person
available in. The country probably not one of. The chances
(34:38):
So the steelers lose a GREAT. Legendary gm they move
a guy up in, the building and maybe, he's FINE
but i don't like his first big YEARS. A gm
there's a Quote Here, mike sando great writer of the
athletic really, trust him quotes multiple people IN the nfl
On the. Steelers offseason one of, Them Says, Aaron rodgers
pickens AND d k if that's not hard knocks at
(34:59):
better be can't think of a worse combination for this to.
Play out that is a lot of high. Maintenance people another,
one says in what world do you LOOK at dk, and,
go yeah let's give him thirty million a year and
trade for a. Number two that. Struck me as you're In, ON, Brandon,
I yuke you've been in all those three of. Those
Guys maybe tomlin can bring out the best. IN him
(35:20):
i could see elements of why they like it pairing Him,
with rogers seems. Really odd THAT'S what. I said dk metcalf.
Is talented last year he accounted for thirty four. First
Sounds Imer On saint brown accounted for for, double that
and he gets penalized. A Lot so pickens, Is emotional,
Dky's emotional. Aaron's emotional it's got a lot of. Combustibility
(35:43):
here it just DOES and i don't. Love. It Apparently
art rooney the second Said On, aaron rodgers all signs
are positive it's going. To happen so my guess is it'll.
Be interesting it'll feel like. Hard KNOCKS but i mean
we've said. This before noise is your enemy IN the nfl,
(36:04):
Last year real noisy front Office With, Joe Shane saquon
barkley And. The giants how did it? Work out for
all the News the, eagles make they don't make that
much noise in the. Off season they just. Get better
they don't make a lot. Of NOISE so DK and I.
Like dk he's, got talent he's a, different Body but pickens.
IS immature dk wants, the Ball and aaron can, get
(36:28):
moody and he's kind of a brooding personality and he's past.
His prime so and then you throw in this sort
of small town. DEFENSIVE culture i said. This yesterday It
sounds aaron To, the steelers sounds better than, it, Is
right like it sounds bigger than it is.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
IT is.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
I.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
DON'T know i just think. It's weird so the other
topics today We had todd McShay talking about This And
albert brewer Yesterday Is. Shaduur sanders there's multiple stories now
this Morning That shadeur sanders is going to drop in.
The draft and We Saw dan marino drop in. The
draft We Saw aaron rodgers dropping. A draft it happens
(37:13):
because how many teams generally need a, quarterback badly like
about four to five, a year and there's usually only
two to three first Round Quarterback Like. Jalen milroe it's
not a first round, quarterback talent but he's such a
good kid and such a. GREAT athlete i think he'll
go late. FIRST round i Don't Think jalen millroe is he's,
a mechanical. He's inconsistent he should not play as, a
(37:36):
rookie but he may go first round because his intangibles
are off. The charts, great kid, great family. Unbelievable athlete
but Here Was albert brier a couple of weeks ago
Talking About shador sanders and the concerns.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
WITH him i think the Issue is shador and this
is going to be a difficult thing for him to
address over the next six or seven months or six or.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Seven weeks is are you special in? Anyone area do
you have a?
Speaker 9 (38:03):
Superpower trait or are you an average athlete with an
average arm IN an? Nfl CONTEXT and i think that
that's the way a lot of teams look. At him
he's not a, great athlete he doesn't have a big or,
so like where is the superpower that's going to make
you want to take him in the.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Top five so one of the things that teams do
IN the nfl they practice. The draft they have dry,
run throughs and they'll do two or three before, the
draft and you know they they what they do is
is they throw in. Wild cards the gm sits everybody
down and we've got. Wild CARDS and i think what's
fascinating when you Get An aaron rodgers, that drops Or
(38:42):
A lamar jackson or somebody, like that all of a
sudden you look up, and go like, last year remember,
the draft it was. All offense early And the colts
did not think they were going to get arguably the
best pass rusher in the draft in the middle of the.
First round but it was a weird draft that went
all offense and yet these really good, defensive players and
all of, a sudden the, culture like, all, right well
(39:03):
we didn't think he was going to. Be available And
the rams last year tried to move up For. Brock
bowers they really tried to, move up and they were
willing to give away a lot of picks and it didn't.
Work out but there are some things you know that
are going to happen in, this Draft Like travis hunter
will be off, The Board abnuel Carter, cam ward some
guys are going to be off. The board But if,
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shader drops the One team i'm fascinated with is what
if You're. THE raiders, I Mean chip kelly looks, at
him seventy four percent, completion percentage saw a lot of them,
in college got a lot, of snaps. SUPER accurate, i
mean all of, a sudden you look up and your
six or seven or eight, or nine and, YOU'RE like i,
(39:46):
think it what happens if put off our top? Ten
AGAIN so I mean tennessee's Taking cam ward the rest
of these Teams if cleveland doesn't, take Him And russell
wilson's going to be a better version of Last Year's.
RUSSELL wilson, I mean patriots aren't, Taking him. JAGS aren't
i Mean the raiders are going To sign gino to
a three. Year, deal so, oh Joe the jets are
(40:08):
not going to bring it a young guy to Compete Against.
Justin fields? Why not because you've got To Give justin
fields one year of it is. His team.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
YOU can't i don't know that you have to. Do
that But.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Perhaps carol saints, Maybe maybe.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
So let's turn it back a. Little bit so all,
These criticisms i'm Listening to breer and McShay and all.
These guys shador doesn't. Run well he's, not fast he's
not mobile in. The pocket there's an easy way to.
Dispute that go run, Your forty go run the three,
cone drill go do all. That stuff you're a, good
athlete shouldn't? You do shouldn't shoudor go out there to
do that and prove to THEM that. I Can because
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i'm watching all these. Tape highlights he looks fine in,
the pocket.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Doesn't, he no, he moves he doesn't look.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Like, He's plotting he's not, something like He's Not. Matt
ryan the men's shoes in, the pocket right he something's going?
On here call this just. Feels weird all season We Watch. Colorado,
shador oh this guy's a top. Five pick He's got
he's got a top five. For sure and now, it's.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
LIKE yeah i, don't know yeah they have people are
saying he's. Not athletic he. Moves fine he is.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
A vertical who do? A? Vertical now is that not
enough For your.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Nobody moves like he Moves Like. Joe burrow he. Moves
fine You Know joe burrow is really good in. The,
pot YEAH but i Think Like tony Romo And, joe
burrow like they move better, than average but they're. NOT
great I think chador Is Not matt Ryan Or jared Goff.
OR brady i think he's Closer To joe Burrow And
joe burrow moves more.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Than well my thing, is like is he more athletic Than.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
BROCK perty i think they're about.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
The, same okay so the only problem Is brock perty
was the last pick in. The Draft tony romo is
an undrafted, free, Agent right you're Not talking shaduur, TOP three.
I don't I Think.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Tony romo is more Talented. Than shaduur is. A quarterback
I think I thought wa coming out. Of College, H,
TONY well i didn't see him, in college BUT when
I Watched tony romo play With, The cowboys i'm like, his,
CAREER yeah i mean He's a tony was, very athletic overachieved. Big,
Time YEAH but i think by the time he got TO,
the Nfl the cowboys didn't have great old lines. With
him dak got all the great. Old lines tony got
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beat up for years because they had. Badtle line that's
a Hot.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Take tony tony was.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Very good HE'S a b plus PLUS plus. Nfl quarterback
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