June 20, 2025 • 41 mins
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome in. It is our two and it is a Friday.
Jamac How lucky are we?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
You know?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I got to take everybody behind the curtain a little
bit here. I don't want to spend too much time
on this, but a couple of years ago, I felt
baseball felt before they brought in the pitch clock and
the defensive shift, I felt baseball was really stagnant, had
about a fifteen year stagnant run, and I didn't talk
about it a lot, and Caitlin Clark hadn't arrived yet
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the WNBA, and I felt the show was almost too
much Football is like seventy percent football, and I've never
wanted to work at the NFL network. They do a
great job, but I like talking about college football. I
like having a lot of different topics and the fact
that the WNBA Caitlin Clark is a regular segment, and
we monitor the segments you don't turn away. And the
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fact that Baseball Dodgers Podrey's rivalry four times this week
we talked about it is a gift. I feel very
very lucky.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You know. I love football and if I was a
sports talk show host in the UK, I would talk
Premier League seventy five percent of the time. I understand
how popular the NFL is, but in the off season
for six months, I love the variants. I love having
all these topics. So this has been a really really
fun week for me, and I think j mackfeel's the
same way I got United States Men's national team. I
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got Caitlin Clark, I got an insane Dodger podre series,
guys getting plunked. This has been one of my favorite
weeks in a long time because we just had so
many different things to talk about. And I know you
think Colin you talk about NFL. Well, you watch a
lot of NFL. That's why I talk a lot of NFL.
But there's been a fun week.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Yeah, And next week we get the NBA Draft and
obviously the Cooper Flag stuff is a big time player
sliding in the draft. We're expecting Kevin Durant trade like
it doesn't stop here just because of this week's.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Sover Okay, so there are we go to a game seven.
What do we know we're gonna get? Not much? I mean,
I gotta be honest. I did not think OKAC was
gonna get house last night with Halli Burdon at sixty percent.
Here are the five things that I predict will get
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in order of assuredness. Number one, Okaysee's defense will be
really good. It's holding opponents to thirty two percent from
three point range. At home, they have the best defensive rating.
They got a lot of fresh legs and bodies. They
are a different team energy wise. At home, Okase will
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play very good defense. Doesn't mean no when, but their
defense won't look anything like last night. The second thing
Rick Carlile's coaching. He's good. I mean the ball movement
with him, which he preaches. They have seven hundred and
five more passes than Oksee in the finals. Their ball movement,
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the use of their bench, all the levers. Oldest coach
in NBA Finals history, Rick Carlisle will bring his a
plus plus game. Number three, SGA getting eight plus free
throw attempts. He gets more at home, and they're good
when he gets them, so he is leading the finals
at nine point seven free throws a game, and on
the road he's a little more meek. At home, he
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gets them eight of the twelve home games this season
in the playoffs, he's got n eight plus free throw
So that's number three. I think he'll get that. Number four.
A guy I really like and half for years, Pascal Siakam,
will play really, really well. He's a dog man. He's
a really good player. Fifteen plus points in fifteen straight
playoff games. He's the only pacer that's given you ten
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plus points in every game, and he's a big game player.
He's a really good player. So I think Pascal Siakam
is going to play well. And I do think number
five Oklahoma City's bench will show up. It doesn't mean
it'll be better than Indiana's, but it'll show up. So
you know they're they're nine and two this postseason when
their bench shoots like forty five percent from the field.
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Any young players who are not star players, young bench
players Indiana or OKAC always play much better at home.
So most of these feel like I'm very pro Oklahoma City,
but I think Indiana's got the better coach, and I
know Pascal Siakam is going to deliver. I also think
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you got a couple of days here for Halliburton to rest.
The leg doesn't hurt. Little break there doesn't hurt. How
many minutes he play last night, twenty three to twenty
four minutes. Rick Carlisle on Game seven Sunday, one game,
I mean, this is this is what it's all about.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
I mean, this is yeah, this is what you dream
about growing up. This kind of opportunity. It's a very
difficult place to play, we know that, but you know this,
this is the opportunity to play in a game like
this is a great honor and a great privilege.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I don't know one one one seventeen, ok Se. I
think I get him at home. I gotta believe both
teams are going to be a little tired. It's been
a lot. It's a lot of travel. Uh, it's a
lot of intensity, man. I mean, you know one of
the things about basketball, it's really it's great. So in hockey,
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you got the glass. In baseball outside of Fenway Park,
you're separated from fans. Football, you got helmets on basketball.
The proximity of fans to athletes makes it such a
good tell vision product. I mean, the Indiana fans and
I really do believe this, especially with younger players. I
was thinking about this last night. When say Okham gets
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that dunk early and you're on the ground and you
got Indiana fans above you, high five in you, it
absolutely has to change the body chemistry. I mean, it
just has to. Like, fans matter so much in basketball,
even more in college basketball because the players are younger.
But when you watch Indiana's fan base and they are
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literally like fist bump close to players, same with OKC,
I think it's awesome. I love when an NBA player
makes a big basket and fives a fan. I as
long as the fan understands you don't open that gate.
That is always a player's decision. If he comes to you,
it's good you don't go to him ever. But it's cool.
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And watching those Indiana fans last night, when Saya comes
hitting those shots and he's on the floor, he can
hear you. You're four feet away, right, he can hear you,
and it matters, and it's great sports. It just plows
through the television. Okay, now I know what you're gonna say. Uh, con,
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how come you have to bring up Jason Tatum? Here
we go, Cooper Flags Mavericks workout. The word being thrown
around is unreal, better than expected. He's a complete beast.
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I am very comfortable saying he's going to be a
better player than Jason Tatum eventually, and it won't take long.
Why go bring up Jason Tate? They both went to Duke.
That's his comp that's why. So he's much better defender
at this point than Tatum was at this age, not close.
And he's a much more aggressive player. And he had
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better stats everywhere than Tatum. And he's younger than Tatum. Points, rebounds, assists,
free throw attempt steals, blocked. It just better across the board.
And those are just stats. Aura and Alpha Brah, not close.
Think about this, this guy, if he didn't reclassify, he
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would be walking on the high school stage to get
his diploma right now. Like, this is the best domestic
basketball product since Anthony Davis. I don't want to hear
about John Moran and Zion. There were all sorts of
things about Zion that concerned people, like his Torque and
his injuries. This kid can really play. And there's some
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you know, video stuff they're not We're not seeing a
ton of it. But he is an all time prospect,
you know. And I was talking I think I was
talking off the air to Christine Brennan. I think it
was off. There may have been on, but I think
it was off. Is that sometimes like Caitlin Clark, no
he thought she would be this good, even Gino Orima
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Yukon coach is like, come on, slow down, she's better
than we thought. Everybody knew Tiger was special. We didn't
think it was going to look like that where he
was running away from the field at the US Open
Lebron James. Nobody predicted he was going to surpass mj
in every statistical category. Bryce Harper is more what you expect.
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Bryce Harper was called the best baseball prospect ever. He
was an eight time All Star. I think he's been
a MVP of a National League playoff series. Is he's
eight nationally MVP a couple times a time All Star.
That's what you expect. So if I said to you,
Cooper Flag makes makes seven to eight All Star teams,
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that would be a really good career for a top prospect.
I think we're looking at the guy that's better than that.
That's my take because I watched him. He very I
can't say you the last time I saw a college
player that didn't have really a hole in his game,
I don't see what the hole is. And he can shoot,
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he can defend, he can run. Again, you cross your
fingers on injuries. But I mean again, if he had
a Bryce Harper career, and I guess I'm right, two
time NL MVP, eight time All Star, I think Harper's
got three hundred and forty four home runs. I'm crossing
my fingers.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I'm right. Is that?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Am I right? How about that? The staff took all
these years finally respect me. So Bryce Harper is like
what you would think an all time prospect you'd be like,
I was satisfied with that. Bryce Harper has lived up
to it. Sometimes people go above and beyond. I think
this kid has a chance to do that. I think
he's really really good. We'll see for the record, is
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this more of the video? The video we got He
never missed a shot. So now I will tell you
j Max is going to have this. There is one
player in this draft. This, this draft is gonna have
a bust. Every draft. Does I think I know who
the one guy is gonna be a bust. I'm not
gonna say it. I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let
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you have the story. But there's one player where things
are not good.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
By the way, this Cooper Flag stuff. You remember, I
forget who came on our show, but someone was like,
oh an NBA comp Andre Kirolinko.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
Do you remember I might have been Paul Pierce bro
Andre Kirolinko.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I think made like an All Star game, never all NBA.
That's a borderline disrespectful, Andre Carolinko.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
If I'm just thinking it wasn't. I think Cooper Flag
much better, much early, and much more aggressive and much more.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Polished, dominant in college basketball, dominant, he's gonna be. I'm
all in on Cooper Flag. I think he's gonna be spectacular.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I will tell you, I'll tell you this. People are
saying it's a Carlos Boozer. Carlos Boozer compared Flag to Cairolinko.
I don't gross. I will say this though, the number
two kid in the draft from Rutgers, the guard, the
six to sixth guard. He's going to be a star too.
That No, no, no, no, He's not just good. He's a kid,
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he is. He is a really special process.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Do you remember Ben Simmons went to LSU. He was
supposed to change college basketball?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
You do.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Could not get them to the NCAA tournament and we
killed him.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Harper is on a team with eighth Bailey, who's going
to go top ten.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
They could not as a duo get Rutgers to the
NCAA Tournament. I know I'm not going to crush them
for that. Dylan Harper is a good player.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Let's pump the brakes on him being some kind of
massive superstar.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Okay, let's just settled.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Well I say superstar, I said all star?
Speaker 7 (12:42):
What I mean, come on? All Star? Is that the
barometer for a number two pick?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
You go number two?
Speaker 7 (12:47):
I need more than All Star?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Collin, Well, what do you need?
Speaker 7 (12:50):
I need All NBA? You're one of the best at
your position.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Also, you understand there's five guys on that All NBA
first team, and basketball is not football. Guys play for
fifth years.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
No, no, but a lot of guys third team that
matters your top fifteen in elite. All Star is.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Like a popularity contest. It's like voting for president and
your junior high school.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Yeah, who's the cutest girl? I just vote for her.
She's gotta give us a soda machine in a cafeteria. Like,
that's what the All Star Game is.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Come on, all right?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
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Speaker 1 (13:35):
Every draft has bus and there are warning signs all
the time. The draft. You love the draft. I have
always been an NFL draft junkie, NBA draft, you know,
there's always I always watched the first hour, you know,
the first seven, eight, nine, ten picks. You're like, okay,
it's interesting. Then it waffles into the second round. I
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don't care much. But are you gonna Are you gonna
get that story on this that I think you're gonna do?
Are you gonna do that?
Speaker 7 (14:04):
I guess you'll have to find.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Out, Okay, J Mack with the news, this is the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
Yes, yes, we're doing it. Sorry, I'm just mentally getting
ready for.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
This first Dak Prescott topic, Colin Listen, Dak did not
have a great year last year.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
He was hurt, he had the hamstring injury. He listen.
He hasn't delivered in the playoffs. He's two and five.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Go check Lamar Jackson's record in the playoffs, by the way,
And obviously there's pressure on Dak Prescott, but there's pressure
on the entire Cowboys. So hot take artist Cam Newton
believes that this season could be Dak's last in Dallas.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
So, Dak, it will behoove you. You can lose all
the weight, Hill won't. You can be as healthy as
could beat. But my man, if you don't go to
that NFC championship this year.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Or even a super Bowl, this is your career. Bro.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
We've seen this happen far too many times.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
And there is a guy by the name of our.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Tivous Manny that is waiting in a city coast to
Dallas that can't wait.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I like Cam's podcast. Actually he's got a lot of personality.
He's not wrong here if no, I'm serious. Philly wins
the division, Washington second, and Dallas wins and with his
coaching staff we know coaching matters in the NFL, they
win six games. I think there's gonna be a lot
of people that look up and Dallas goes, remember next
year's draft. There are already five quarterbacks viewed as first
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round guys five now, and we always have two that
to merge. I think you have to draft a quarterback
if this is an ugly season, and I think it's
going to be.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Kylin.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I hate to bring facts to the table to you
and Cam Newton, but do you know what happens if
Dallas wants to move off Dak Prescott after next after
the season, what his Deadcaphit would be one hundred and
twenty nine million dollars. It's not happening, no chance none.
It's a silly I mean, it's just uninformed. He's not
going anywhere now. The idea, oh well, maybe we'll trade him. Yeah, sure,
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somebody's gonna trade for Dak's contract. Like listen, don't blame
Dak for Dallas's issues. Blame Jerry Jummers.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
For giving him the contract.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Remember, though, if Dak with pickins and Ceedee Lamb posts
good offensive numbers, my guess he will he will, Yes,
somebody will come in and eat some of that contract.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Will I will bet anything you want.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
I'll move to Shickihin's. I'll stop short of that. I
will bet anything you want that. There's no chance.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Dak Prescott has traded none.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
What was the last high profile quarterback you saw traded
of Dak's level?
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Two years ago? By the way, he was runner up MVP.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Cone in mate Stafford. Matt Stafford was better.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Matt Stafford never won a playoff game in Detroit.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
He was like.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
People were like, Oh, he's washed, he's not good, he's
not a winner.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Well informed Sean McVay thought he was great.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Smart people thought, yeah, but this idea that Dak it's
his final season, Like.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
You, how bad they would have to be for them to.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Get archs manning.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Essentially, Dak would have to miss the entire season.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh, you don't think. If you know how I do
a Super Bowl bubble, if I had an arch manning
bubble six seven, you know I always put seven to
eight teams in the Super Bowl bubble teams and that's
what we and then a one or two at periphery.
If you said there's an arch manning bubble, Oh, I
think Dallas is absolutely in it.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
Now.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Let the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Okay, let's I'm gonna ride down.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Hold on, I'll go through the standing. This should be fun.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
So the New Orleans Saints are definitely absolutely. The New
York Giants have one of the lowest win totals.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
The New York Jets in there too, yeah, and one
of Now.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
The Tennessee Titans have a low win total, but they
just drafted ward. They're not going to be I doubt it.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
You want to put the Colts in there?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Or no, yes, Colts, I'm sorry, I'm putting down in there.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Do you think that is Dak bad? Like bottom four
in the NFC?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Dode this coaching staff?
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Carolina Caroline add them to the list.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Okay, I don't know, Colindude, when's the last time Dallas
nailed the draft?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
How many years ago? They are thin?
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Yeah, they don't have any talent.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Again, that's not Dak's fault, that's the front office's fault.
By the way, uh are the New England Patriots.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Definitely gonna be better than the Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Dude?
Speaker 7 (18:30):
They are going to Cleveland Browns. Cleveland Browns. Add them
all right?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Ad clear?
Speaker 7 (18:34):
How many is that six? Hold on, listen, those are
some really rotten teams.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
College seven and we had seven rotten teams last year.
Seven or eight.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Are the Bears gonna have a better record than the Cowboys?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, they have, dude, they have like eleven, twelve, thirteen
really good players.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Okay, all right, let's move on to the Kansas City Chiefs.
A lot of rumors in the offseason about whether Travis
Kelsey would retire. He decided to run it back. He's
supposedly slimmed down by twenty some odd pounds, but he's
coming off a terrible year. Andy Reid, who's asked about
the game plan for his aging tight end and whether
that would impact his usage.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Not really feeling that more be somewhere to the last year.
I would imagine as it goes. So, he's in great
shape right now, So I think he's, you know, he's
looking forward.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
To getting built.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
I know he's getting older. He doesn't know he's getting older,
but I do. So I can be the bad guy
in some cases there and.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
If needed, he's got a year left.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
He's got a year left, got a little more backup
tight end action to save Kelsey for the postseason.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
So he's now washed again.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Listen, he's already a Hall of Famer. I have no
I have no problem resting him three to four weeks. None.
I want him good. We want him good in January,
and I have no problem doing that.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Hey give him a sabbatical at some point season. Let's
go to the final story cons the NBA. This is
a story you love, you've been hyping.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
So NBA draft, The.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Hornets have the fourth pick.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
According to a report, an anonymous prospect, unfortunately we don't
have his name, refuse to work out for them, the
Hornets because LaMelo Ball is on the roster and this
prospect did not want to play with no LaMelo Ball. Now,
one of my hottest takes, like three months ago, was
if I had.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
The number one pick, and I would trade.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
LaMelo Ball because I wouldn't want Cooper Flag alongside LaMelo.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, and it melos like, he's not a winning player.
He's a flashy player. He's not a winning player.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
But this is a problem, Colin.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
He puts butt Oh my gosh, look at those stats
on the Oh, that's not good.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
He puts bots in the seats. Who cares win games?
Speaker 7 (20:46):
I don't, he merged the kids love him.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Oh great.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
I'm personally out on LaMelo. I don't know what he becomes.
But it's interesting that, like a prospect, a nineteen twenty
year old says, I don't want to play with that guy.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'm not looking out because some nineteen year olds are
grown ups and he's not a winning player. I wouldn't
want to play with him either. And I think he's fun.
He's better than I thought he would be. He's fun,
but he's not to me. You know, it's it's, it's
it all, what's it? Just look it up real quick.
What's his three point shooting percentage?
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Off the top of my head, like thirty three percent.
But he's just an unseerious basketball player.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's right. He's an unserious that's the.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Best way to put it. Like you look at this
finals in Terrese, Haliburton and SGA. These guys are locked in.
Lamello's just kind of he's going through the motion took.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
He shot thirty six percent and shot more threes than
Steph Curry, no self awareness, not a winning player, No.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Thanks, Yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
If he's your franchise player, you're building around him and
players a player doesn't want to be.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
A good organization would not build around and Celtics are
building around your hair. I think when you're I think
certain franchises are about putting butts in the seats. I
really do. I don't think they're I mean, like, I
think a lot of these owners, these are toys. They're billionaires.
They want butts in the seat. They don't really love
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the sport. Most do. Most care, some like Matt should
be a care too much. But I don't think a
serious basketball operation. By the way, I'm not anti LaMelo
is fun. I think he's a in regular season game.
If they're playing and I'm sitting there watching NBA TV
and they're on, I'll sit around for ten minutes. He's
a fun plays enter day. You know, remember Jason Williams,
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Remember the kid from West Virginia, Randy Moss's buddy. He
wasn't a serious basketball player, but he's fun good. I
love what a lot of turnovers, too much flash, but
again fun. I can respect that. LaMelo's obviously is a
very very I mean, he made the NBA. He's the
best of the ball brothers. He deserves that respect. He's
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a pro athlete. He's put a lot of time in
the gym, but I certain guys are just not serious
winning players. I agree Jamak with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Well that's the news. Thanks for stopping the line.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
J McK and I the last hour, Eric Mangini stops by.
J Max is gonna have that story last hour. Nobody
wants the root for a bust, but sometimes you can
see the signs of an NBA player that's a bust. Also,
I didn't know this is this. LaMelo Ball has missed
one hundred and forty one games in the last three years,
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so both Lonzo and LaMelo struggle to stay healthy. That's
a big part of it. Like there are years ago,
an NBA general manager of some renown said, you know,
we were just at an event and talking and he said,
it's not about getting a star, it's about getting the
right star. And he was talking about Tim Duncan. Tim
Duncan doesn't it's not about Flash. He's a great practice player,
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he's coachable, like he's the right star. I don't even
need the name the names of guys who are stars.
And NBA has a very young fan base, and young
players or young fans are turned on by Flash and
that's fine. Maybe I was when I was twenty. But
the NBA teams like Sam Presty and Brad Stevens, pat Riley,
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these are really RC Buford, these are grown ups. These
are really smart people. And it's not just about you know,
the guy that's cool, it's about the guy that does
makes winning plays. If you're shooting thirty five thirty six
percent from threes and you're shooting eleven a game, you
don't have the self awareness to be to be a
franchise player. Chris Brusard is now joining US cover the
(24:33):
NBA since the mid nineties co host. First things first, Yeah,
I was saying Game sevens are crazy. The one or
two things I know I'm gonna get. O Case's defense
will show up. Rick Carlile's coaching will be great. I'm
not sure I trust anything else. Pascal Sayakam usually gives
you a pretty consistent game. I mean, let's start with this.
(24:55):
Were you surprised that Halliburton played and he was that
good lad night because he was pretty good.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I wasn't surprised that he played.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I fully expected that, but he did not look injured,
and I know he was. There's no way to lie
about an injury like that, But I think it was
smart of the Pacers to like make it a game
time decision.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I'm sure they knew.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I don't know if they ever thought he wouldn't play,
you know, but to leave it out there as a
game time decision and put that question out there in
the minds of Okac Colin as good as Indiana was,
and they were great, and they deserve all the credit
for last night. I also thought Okac contributed to.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
That performance clearly.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I mean, they're not that much worse than the Pacers
or even on a bad night, and they looked like
a team that felt like the championship was in their pocket,
like they had it that Indiana was gonna fold, and
that Halliburton either wouldn't play or if he did play,
he would be severely compromised. No good, And he was
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the exact opposite. He looked fine, he moved well. I
actually think Colin the injury made him focus more because
he was more aggressive than he's been for most of
the playoffs. Yeah, you know, like I think it made
him zero in and say, okay, I really have no
room for air tonight, and he ended up having.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
One of his best games of the series.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You know, I said this because they won by an
average of twelve point nine points a game, because they
had the fourth most wins ever, there were these discussions,
are we looking at a great team? And I fell
for it. With Denver, I totally fell for it. I'm like,
they're gonna be the Spurs. I think last night confirmed
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they're not a great team. Great teams aren't different on
the road to that level. The great teams, Michael Jordan's
Bulls could walk into your place, it didn't matter where
or when. Even the Celtics, the Celtics are you know,
the Tatum Celtics. They're sometimes better on the road than
at home. This team, the variants home and away to
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meet illustrates they're another very good team with the chance
to win a championship. They're not great, yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I think that's just one of the many reasons they're
not like an all time great team. The guys look
at the numbers and the analytics that want to say
they're all time great. No, they're the second youngest team
ever to reach the finals. There's no way they're an
all time great team just because they're that young.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
And we'll look back, Colin, they have to win more championships.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Like when we talk about great teams, we're talking about
teams that had runs. The only one off team that
was like an all time great was the nineteen eighty
three Philly seventy six ers with Moses Malone and Doctor
j All. The other great teams were Dynasties, the Lakers
in Showtime, Kobe Shack, the Jordan Bulls, the Golden State.
(27:58):
So this is not an all time great team. And furthermore,
Collins and again, I'm rooting for the Pacers hard. I'm
from Indianapolis, one of the many places I'm from. But
this Pacers team is giving them all they want, and
they don't have one guy that you can pencil it
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for twenty five a night.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
They don't have one guy.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Their most reliable score is Pascal Siaka. Can you imagine
if they had a Kevin Durant. If that's the type
of team that OKC was facing, and that Denver team
took them seven, gave them all they wanted with two
of their best four players Aaron Gordon, MPJ Michael Porter
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Junior severely compromised by injury. So I think the Denver
team in twenty twenty three was better than this OKC team.
So yeah, look, I'll salute them if they win the championship,
but let's stop it with.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
The all time great team. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I mean, these teams live on their depth. They're both
depth teams. They're great teams of all time. We didn't
talk about we didn't care much about Shaq and Goby's depth.
We didn't care much about that when depth is your
go to thing, you know, I think you're a very
good team. Let me say this, though, I said, and
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then we'll then we'll get to a couple of other things.
Lakers and maybe Caitlin Clark that if Indiana wins, it
will be the strangest team ever. Think about this strangest
championship team ever. Think about this twenty first in cap spending,
nobody averaging twenty Obi Toppins started four games all year,
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he's their third leading scorer. TJ McConnell has become crucial,
and they have the oldest coach ever. If I wrote
those on paper, that sounds like a five hundred team
in the East. If they win Sunday, is this the
most unlikely strangest championship team ever?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
I think that's fair When you say unlikely. I mean,
fourth seed. There haven't been many teams, only a.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Couple, you know, elijahwon and the Rockets. Only a few
teams that were lower than third seeds have won championships,
so that in and of itself makes them unusual. Halla Burton,
you know, he's in Nick Wright's club superstar.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I'm fine with that, but let's keep it real. He's
a star.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
He I think he will eventually become a superstar, but
he's just a star, and the only we always think
back the nineteen seventy nine Seattle SuperSonics the two thousand
and four Detroit Pistons were the only teams to win
championships without being kind of star laden or at least
led by this super all time great superstar.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
This team would be in that group.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
But even Detroit in four, Chaunce Billips was a blue
chip high school and college player. Right, he just was
a disappointment, it's for beginning of his NBA career, but
he was a blue chip talent. Rashid Wallace at North
Carolina was a blue chip talent, you know, like they
had guys that were everyone new for years even before
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the NBA, were great talents. This team really I mean
Pascal Siakam didn't even start playing until he was seventeen.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
And Halliburton, you.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Know, nobody really thought he was gonna be like a
superstar player.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
And you mentioned it, TJ McConnell, Colin.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Right now, Pascal Siakam is the Finals MVP.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
If Indiana were to win. TJ McConnell's in the running.
I mean he's in the running.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
He might get a ball depending on what happens in
Game seven.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So this is an unusual.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Team and it signifies.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
The change in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, because it's a team. It is not one, two,
or even three superstars. It is a true team and
some will love it, some will hate it, but it's
a different NBA at least this year.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Okay, Lakers sell for ten billion. I think some of
that is the new television deal and the Mark Walters
Group said, listen, we got guaranteed three hundred million dollar
checks annual or whatever it's going to be. You know
this because of your sourcing in the NBA. And I've
been on this for years, is they were really becoming
closer to the Cincinnati Bengals than they were the New
York Yankees, like they were mom and popping it like
(32:26):
there's stories this morning when the Lakers sold. What were
your sources saying about the new group.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Well, look, everybody loves the new group and that now.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
You're right, you don't hit the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
It was a bit surprising as you start covering the
NBA to see this great franchise, the glamor franchise of
the league, one of the best franchises in American sports history,
was really.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Run like a mom and pop operation. It really was.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
It is not run anywhere near the way the New
York Knicks, and they end up being much better than
the Knicks, but they're run like a mom and pop operation.
And now when you're bringing Mark Walter and you just
look Collin at what he's done with the Dodgers. The
Dodgers had not reached the World Series in twenty.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Four years when he took over.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
He takes over and they get great in short order
because he was willing to spend money even before the
Freddie Freemans and Mookie Betts and Shoel Tani's, they were
spending money with this new group to go get Andre
Ethier and other big names, you know. So he came
in and They've gone to four World Series one to two,
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made the playoffs every year he's been there.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
So now imagine the Lakers, with the.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Weather, with the prestige of the franchise, now being willing
to spend money as much, if not more than anyone
else in the league. This is great for Luka Doncic
is great for Lakers fans, and they're gonna do everything
they can to start winning a bunch of championships.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And when you look at.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
What he's done with the Dodgers, it's hard to say he.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Won't get a few.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, and something to remember with the Lakers, it is
a winter league and outside of Miami. Steve Balmer has
talked about this. When he spent that money, he said,
AM never selling it. But he goes outside of Miami,
LA is the first or second choice where players, free
agent stars want to play. That's never going to change.
So the Lakers brand is underachieved for about ten years,
(34:29):
and now I think that will change. Hey, I got
to throw this at you. I'm a big Kevin Durant fan,
but I said, I don't understand the lack of interest.
Only two guys in the league average twenty five a
game and shot forty percent from three. I love him.
He's not asking for a max contract. He's not going
to get a five year deal. I think his messaging
(34:52):
sometimes is that he doesn't prioritize winning. He prioritizes having
fun and hoopin, and I think that turns off some
really serious front offices. That's the only thing I can
come up with. Why there is no bigger market? You
tell me, well, why isn't there?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I think that's a great point, and we've seen it
now now Brooklyn. I don't really put that on KD
because if they had had health, whether it was him
or James Hardener Kyrie, then I think that threesome may
have been able to win a championship. And then of
course Kyrie with the vaccination, so that was beyond his control.
(35:29):
But he picks Phoenix. Remember he wanted to go to Phoenix.
Phoenix was just a couple of years away from almost
winning the championship. They still had Devin Booker and now
look at them. And then when he has Miami on
his list of preferred destinations, why if he goes to Miami.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
If I'm Phoenix, I want.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Bam out to buy your Tyler Hero. Even if they
could keep those two and get him. They're not I
don't think they're a championship contending team with Kevin Durant,
So he could be in Phoenix East if he goes Miami.
So I think people are looking at that like, what
does he really want? Like you said, he just wants
to hoop, he wants to have fun.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Houston obviously can make the best deal for him.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
He would fit in perfectly. They would absolutely be a contender.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
But Colin, if I'm the Rockets, I'm sorry, I'm holding out.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
I'm waiting and holding my.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Assets to try to get Jannis out to the Coompo.
Yanni's wants to give him Alwalkie a chance, but that
could change by the trade deadline, and because they have
no way to get better, they really don't. Dame Lillard
is out, they don't have many the control of their
draft picks for several years. So I think Giannis will
eventually be on the market.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
If I'm Houston, I'm waiting for him.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I think Minnesota is the place to go as far
as the market. Colin's about to be thirty seven years old,
and he also wants probably a two year extension. That's
gonna be over one hundred million dollars. That's what teams
I think are looking at. Combined with he hasn't really
impacted winning for several years now, and he's only played
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sixty five or more games once in the last five seasons.
So those are all things that have brought Kevin Duran's
market down.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Chris Bruce sard Brew, it's great seeing you on a
Friday crush it today on first things first, Thanks buddy,
Thanks calling. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't play the full schedule.
I tend to give older players a little bit of
a pass on that stuff. Are they going to be
available when I need him?
Speaker 4 (37:30):
So?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
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Speaker 4 (38:08):
You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
It's interesting right now. If you look, I was watching
a Steve Balmer clip yesterday, the Clippers owner, and you know,
people have talked about this, this Lakers sale and this
Celtic sales. I mean, think about this. We just had
Lakers and Celtics sell within a pretty short time spin
and you know, and Mark Cuban left, So I mean that, Yeah,
the biggest brand of Lakers, one of the more famous owners,
(38:34):
Mark Cuban. You have Boston a huge brand, so like that,
that would be like the Philadelphia Eagles, the Dallas Cowboys
and the San Francisco forty nine ers, you know, selling
in a short period. So what is it signal is
the league in trouble? Well, they signed a massive, massive deal.
(38:56):
I don't think the TV ratings have been great. And
this sort of move pivot new CBA, the second third Aprons.
You just can't stack rosters. So you're gonna have a
lot of teams that will be good, even champions that
will be very good, not great. But it is interesting
that you would have like the three two biggest brands.
(39:18):
And now some of this is also a reality of
what's happened the Lakers and the Cowboys. In my opinion,
Dallas will never sell that team with Jerry, but they
do feel like a mom and pop operation. The Bengals
feel mom and pop. The Lakers felt mom and pop.
Some of it is the world wealth. There is just
(39:40):
a lot of billionaires beyond the ownership of their team.
So if you're the Brown family in Cincinnati or the
Jones family, and Jerry's got a pretty vibrant, dynamic portfolio.
But some of this is just like the league getting
too big and rich, and some guys, some people can't
afford to be at the poker table any longer. But
I don't know if it's a signal about the NBA team.
Balmer is a really smart guy and Ballmer's all in
(40:04):
built it. I mean he weighed doubled down, he went
all in the Inuit dome. You know, cash flow on
an annual basis, I doubt the Clippers make any money
to knock on the NBA as it doesn't cash flow. Well,
there's a lot of teams that lose money on an
annual basis, But when the valuations are skyrocketing because of
the new TV deal, you're going to make your money.
(40:25):
But it better not be the only place you make money,
and that was the problem with the Bus family. This
is where they make money. For the Brown family, the Bengals,
that's where they make money, you know. And all of
this to me, as I think about it, I think,
we'll wait a minute. The Green Bay Packers don't even
have an owner, and they're one of the best organizations
in football. So you know, if you're well run, market
(40:49):
size doesn't matter that much. But there's a new world.
I mean, the Steinbrenner kids are not George in terms
of aggressiveness. I mean the Yankees now, even though they
have a big annual payroll, they don't feel quite as aggressive,
as global, as well funded as the Dodgers do. That said,
(41:09):
the Mets and the Yankees are two of the top
three or four payrolls on an annual basis, So I
don't don't I don't know. I mean Mark Davis of
the Raiders, he had to go get a bunch of
other owners, including Tom Brady. He needed cash flow, and
that was the reality. Denver that Broncos, I think have
the richest owner in the sport. So that's why they
(41:31):
can go and just write a check eighteen million a
year for Sean Payton. So it's just it's I don't
know if it signals anything about the NBA. I just
think it's just a bigger, broader business and the mom
and pop shops. I think the Bus family made a
great decision. I think it's good for the Laker fans.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome in. It is our two and it is a Friday.
Jamac How lucky are we?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
You know?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I got to take everybody behind the curtain a little
bit here. I don't want to spend too much time
on this, but a couple of years ago, I felt
baseball felt before they brought in the pitch clock and
the defensive shift, I felt baseball was really stagnant, had
about a fifteen year stagnant run, and I didn't talk
about it a lot, and Caitlin Clark hadn't arrived yet
(00:54):
the WNBA, and I felt the show was almost too
much Football is like seventy percent football, and I've never
wanted to work at the NFL network. They do a
great job, but I like talking about college football. I
like having a lot of different topics and the fact
that the WNBA Caitlin Clark is a regular segment, and
we monitor the segments you don't turn away. And the
(01:14):
fact that Baseball Dodgers Podrey's rivalry four times this week
we talked about it is a gift. I feel very
very lucky.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You know. I love football and if I was a
sports talk show host in the UK, I would talk
Premier League seventy five percent of the time. I understand
how popular the NFL is, but in the off season
for six months, I love the variants. I love having
all these topics. So this has been a really really
fun week for me, and I think j mackfeel's the
same way I got United States Men's national team. I
(01:44):
got Caitlin Clark, I got an insane Dodger podre series,
guys getting plunked. This has been one of my favorite
weeks in a long time because we just had so
many different things to talk about. And I know you
think Colin you talk about NFL. Well, you watch a
lot of NFL. That's why I talk a lot of NFL.
But there's been a fun week.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Yeah, And next week we get the NBA Draft and
obviously the Cooper Flag stuff is a big time player
sliding in the draft. We're expecting Kevin Durant trade like
it doesn't stop here just because of this week's.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Sover Okay, so there are we go to a game seven.
What do we know we're gonna get? Not much? I mean,
I gotta be honest. I did not think OKAC was
gonna get house last night with Halli Burdon at sixty percent.
Here are the five things that I predict will get
(02:34):
in order of assuredness. Number one, Okaysee's defense will be
really good. It's holding opponents to thirty two percent from
three point range. At home, they have the best defensive rating.
They got a lot of fresh legs and bodies. They
are a different team energy wise. At home, Okase will
(02:54):
play very good defense. Doesn't mean no when, but their
defense won't look anything like last night. The second thing
Rick Carlile's coaching. He's good. I mean the ball movement
with him, which he preaches. They have seven hundred and
five more passes than Oksee in the finals. Their ball movement,
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the use of their bench, all the levers. Oldest coach
in NBA Finals history, Rick Carlisle will bring his a
plus plus game. Number three, SGA getting eight plus free
throw attempts. He gets more at home, and they're good
when he gets them, so he is leading the finals
at nine point seven free throws a game, and on
the road he's a little more meek. At home, he
(03:37):
gets them eight of the twelve home games this season
in the playoffs, he's got n eight plus free throw
So that's number three. I think he'll get that. Number four.
A guy I really like and half for years, Pascal Siakam,
will play really, really well. He's a dog man. He's
a really good player. Fifteen plus points in fifteen straight
playoff games. He's the only pacer that's given you ten
(04:00):
plus points in every game, and he's a big game player.
He's a really good player. So I think Pascal Siakam
is going to play well. And I do think number
five Oklahoma City's bench will show up. It doesn't mean
it'll be better than Indiana's, but it'll show up. So
you know they're they're nine and two this postseason when
their bench shoots like forty five percent from the field.
(04:21):
Any young players who are not star players, young bench
players Indiana or OKAC always play much better at home.
So most of these feel like I'm very pro Oklahoma City,
but I think Indiana's got the better coach, and I
know Pascal Siakam is going to deliver. I also think
(04:42):
you got a couple of days here for Halliburton to rest.
The leg doesn't hurt. Little break there doesn't hurt. How
many minutes he play last night, twenty three to twenty
four minutes. Rick Carlisle on Game seven Sunday, one game,
I mean, this is this is what it's all about.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
I mean, this is yeah, this is what you dream
about growing up. This kind of opportunity. It's a very
difficult place to play, we know that, but you know this,
this is the opportunity to play in a game like
this is a great honor and a great privilege.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I don't know one one one seventeen, ok Se. I
think I get him at home. I gotta believe both
teams are going to be a little tired. It's been
a lot. It's a lot of travel. Uh, it's a
lot of intensity, man. I mean, you know one of
the things about basketball, it's really it's great. So in hockey,
(05:46):
you got the glass. In baseball outside of Fenway Park,
you're separated from fans. Football, you got helmets on basketball.
The proximity of fans to athletes makes it such a
good tell vision product. I mean, the Indiana fans and
I really do believe this, especially with younger players. I
was thinking about this last night. When say Okham gets
(06:08):
that dunk early and you're on the ground and you
got Indiana fans above you, high five in you, it
absolutely has to change the body chemistry. I mean, it
just has to. Like, fans matter so much in basketball,
even more in college basketball because the players are younger.
But when you watch Indiana's fan base and they are
(06:29):
literally like fist bump close to players, same with OKC,
I think it's awesome. I love when an NBA player
makes a big basket and fives a fan. I as
long as the fan understands you don't open that gate.
That is always a player's decision. If he comes to you,
it's good you don't go to him ever. But it's cool.
(06:52):
And watching those Indiana fans last night, when Saya comes
hitting those shots and he's on the floor, he can
hear you. You're four feet away, right, he can hear you,
and it matters, and it's great sports. It just plows
through the television. Okay, now I know what you're gonna say. Uh, con,
(07:12):
how come you have to bring up Jason Tatum? Here
we go, Cooper Flags Mavericks workout. The word being thrown
around is unreal, better than expected. He's a complete beast.
(07:33):
I am very comfortable saying he's going to be a
better player than Jason Tatum eventually, and it won't take long.
Why go bring up Jason Tate? They both went to Duke.
That's his comp that's why. So he's much better defender
at this point than Tatum was at this age, not close.
And he's a much more aggressive player. And he had
(07:55):
better stats everywhere than Tatum. And he's younger than Tatum. Points, rebounds, assists,
free throw attempt steals, blocked. It just better across the board.
And those are just stats. Aura and Alpha Brah, not close.
Think about this, this guy, if he didn't reclassify, he
(08:20):
would be walking on the high school stage to get
his diploma right now. Like, this is the best domestic
basketball product since Anthony Davis. I don't want to hear
about John Moran and Zion. There were all sorts of
things about Zion that concerned people, like his Torque and
his injuries. This kid can really play. And there's some
(08:41):
you know, video stuff they're not We're not seeing a
ton of it. But he is an all time prospect,
you know. And I was talking I think I was
talking off the air to Christine Brennan. I think it
was off. There may have been on, but I think
it was off. Is that sometimes like Caitlin Clark, no
he thought she would be this good, even Gino Orima
(09:02):
Yukon coach is like, come on, slow down, she's better
than we thought. Everybody knew Tiger was special. We didn't
think it was going to look like that where he
was running away from the field at the US Open
Lebron James. Nobody predicted he was going to surpass mj
in every statistical category. Bryce Harper is more what you expect.
(09:23):
Bryce Harper was called the best baseball prospect ever. He
was an eight time All Star. I think he's been
a MVP of a National League playoff series. Is he's
eight nationally MVP a couple times a time All Star.
That's what you expect. So if I said to you,
Cooper Flag makes makes seven to eight All Star teams,
(09:46):
that would be a really good career for a top prospect.
I think we're looking at the guy that's better than that.
That's my take because I watched him. He very I
can't say you the last time I saw a college
player that didn't have really a hole in his game,
I don't see what the hole is. And he can shoot,
(10:06):
he can defend, he can run. Again, you cross your
fingers on injuries. But I mean again, if he had
a Bryce Harper career, and I guess I'm right, two
time NL MVP, eight time All Star, I think Harper's
got three hundred and forty four home runs. I'm crossing
my fingers.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I'm right. Is that?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Am I right? How about that? The staff took all
these years finally respect me. So Bryce Harper is like
what you would think an all time prospect you'd be like,
I was satisfied with that. Bryce Harper has lived up
to it. Sometimes people go above and beyond. I think
this kid has a chance to do that. I think
he's really really good. We'll see for the record, is
(10:50):
this more of the video? The video we got He
never missed a shot. So now I will tell you
j Max is going to have this. There is one
player in this draft. This, this draft is gonna have
a bust. Every draft. Does I think I know who
the one guy is gonna be a bust. I'm not
gonna say it. I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let
(11:12):
you have the story. But there's one player where things
are not good.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
By the way, this Cooper Flag stuff. You remember, I
forget who came on our show, but someone was like,
oh an NBA comp Andre Kirolinko.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
Do you remember I might have been Paul Pierce bro
Andre Kirolinko.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I think made like an All Star game, never all NBA.
That's a borderline disrespectful, Andre Carolinko.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
If I'm just thinking it wasn't. I think Cooper Flag
much better, much early, and much more aggressive and much more.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Polished, dominant in college basketball, dominant, he's gonna be. I'm
all in on Cooper Flag. I think he's gonna be spectacular.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I will tell you, I'll tell you this. People are
saying it's a Carlos Boozer. Carlos Boozer compared Flag to Cairolinko.
I don't gross. I will say this though, the number
two kid in the draft from Rutgers, the guard, the
six to sixth guard. He's going to be a star too.
That No, no, no, no, He's not just good. He's a kid,
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he is. He is a really special process.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Do you remember Ben Simmons went to LSU. He was
supposed to change college basketball?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
You do.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Could not get them to the NCAA tournament and we
killed him.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Harper is on a team with eighth Bailey, who's going
to go top ten.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
They could not as a duo get Rutgers to the
NCAA Tournament. I know I'm not going to crush them
for that. Dylan Harper is a good player.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Let's pump the brakes on him being some kind of
massive superstar.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Okay, let's just settled.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Well I say superstar, I said all star?
Speaker 7 (12:42):
What I mean, come on? All Star? Is that the
barometer for a number two pick?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
You go number two?
Speaker 7 (12:47):
I need more than All Star?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Collin, Well, what do you need?
Speaker 7 (12:50):
I need All NBA? You're one of the best at
your position.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Also, you understand there's five guys on that All NBA
first team, and basketball is not football. Guys play for
fifth years.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
No, no, but a lot of guys third team that
matters your top fifteen in elite. All Star is.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Like a popularity contest. It's like voting for president and
your junior high school.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Yeah, who's the cutest girl? I just vote for her.
She's gotta give us a soda machine in a cafeteria. Like,
that's what the All Star Game is.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Come on, all right?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
One more heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,
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Speaker 1 (13:35):
Every draft has bus and there are warning signs all
the time. The draft. You love the draft. I have
always been an NFL draft junkie, NBA draft, you know,
there's always I always watched the first hour, you know,
the first seven, eight, nine, ten picks. You're like, okay,
it's interesting. Then it waffles into the second round. I
(13:58):
don't care much. But are you gonna Are you gonna
get that story on this that I think you're gonna do?
Are you gonna do that?
Speaker 7 (14:04):
I guess you'll have to find.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Out, Okay, J Mack with the news, this is the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
Yes, yes, we're doing it. Sorry, I'm just mentally getting
ready for.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
This first Dak Prescott topic, Colin Listen, Dak did not
have a great year last year.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
He was hurt, he had the hamstring injury. He listen.
He hasn't delivered in the playoffs. He's two and five.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Go check Lamar Jackson's record in the playoffs, by the way,
And obviously there's pressure on Dak Prescott, but there's pressure
on the entire Cowboys. So hot take artist Cam Newton
believes that this season could be Dak's last in Dallas.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
So, Dak, it will behoove you. You can lose all
the weight, Hill won't. You can be as healthy as
could beat. But my man, if you don't go to
that NFC championship this year.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Or even a super Bowl, this is your career. Bro.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
We've seen this happen far too many times.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
And there is a guy by the name of our.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Tivous Manny that is waiting in a city coast to
Dallas that can't wait.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I like Cam's podcast. Actually he's got a lot of personality.
He's not wrong here if no, I'm serious. Philly wins
the division, Washington second, and Dallas wins and with his
coaching staff we know coaching matters in the NFL, they
win six games. I think there's gonna be a lot
of people that look up and Dallas goes, remember next
year's draft. There are already five quarterbacks viewed as first
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round guys five now, and we always have two that
to merge. I think you have to draft a quarterback
if this is an ugly season, and I think it's
going to be.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Kylin.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I hate to bring facts to the table to you
and Cam Newton, but do you know what happens if
Dallas wants to move off Dak Prescott after next after
the season, what his Deadcaphit would be one hundred and
twenty nine million dollars. It's not happening, no chance none.
It's a silly I mean, it's just uninformed. He's not
going anywhere now. The idea, oh well, maybe we'll trade him. Yeah, sure,
(16:16):
somebody's gonna trade for Dak's contract. Like listen, don't blame
Dak for Dallas's issues. Blame Jerry Jummers.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
For giving him the contract.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Remember, though, if Dak with pickins and Ceedee Lamb posts
good offensive numbers, my guess he will he will, Yes,
somebody will come in and eat some of that contract.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Will I will bet anything you want.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
I'll move to Shickihin's. I'll stop short of that. I
will bet anything you want that. There's no chance.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Dak Prescott has traded none.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
What was the last high profile quarterback you saw traded
of Dak's level?
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Two years ago? By the way, he was runner up MVP.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Cone in mate Stafford. Matt Stafford was better.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Matt Stafford never won a playoff game in Detroit.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
He was like.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
People were like, Oh, he's washed, he's not good, he's
not a winner.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Well informed Sean McVay thought he was great.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Smart people thought, yeah, but this idea that Dak it's
his final season, Like.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
You, how bad they would have to be for them to.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Get archs manning.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Essentially, Dak would have to miss the entire season.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh, you don't think. If you know how I do
a Super Bowl bubble, if I had an arch manning
bubble six seven, you know I always put seven to
eight teams in the Super Bowl bubble teams and that's
what we and then a one or two at periphery.
If you said there's an arch manning bubble, Oh, I
think Dallas is absolutely in it.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
Now.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Let the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Okay, let's I'm gonna ride down.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Hold on, I'll go through the standing. This should be fun.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
So the New Orleans Saints are definitely absolutely. The New
York Giants have one of the lowest win totals.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
The New York Jets in there too, yeah, and one
of Now.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
The Tennessee Titans have a low win total, but they
just drafted ward. They're not going to be I doubt it.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
You want to put the Colts in there?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Or no, yes, Colts, I'm sorry, I'm putting down in there.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Do you think that is Dak bad? Like bottom four
in the NFC?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Dode this coaching staff?
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Carolina Caroline add them to the list.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Okay, I don't know, Colindude, when's the last time Dallas
nailed the draft?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
How many years ago? They are thin?
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Yeah, they don't have any talent.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Again, that's not Dak's fault, that's the front office's fault.
By the way, uh are the New England Patriots.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Definitely gonna be better than the Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Dude?
Speaker 7 (18:30):
They are going to Cleveland Browns. Cleveland Browns. Add them
all right?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Ad clear?
Speaker 7 (18:34):
How many is that six? Hold on, listen, those are
some really rotten teams.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
College seven and we had seven rotten teams last year.
Seven or eight.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Are the Bears gonna have a better record than the Cowboys?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, they have, dude, they have like eleven, twelve, thirteen
really good players.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Okay, all right, let's move on to the Kansas City Chiefs.
A lot of rumors in the offseason about whether Travis
Kelsey would retire. He decided to run it back. He's
supposedly slimmed down by twenty some odd pounds, but he's
coming off a terrible year. Andy Reid, who's asked about
the game plan for his aging tight end and whether
that would impact his usage.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Not really feeling that more be somewhere to the last year.
I would imagine as it goes. So, he's in great
shape right now, So I think he's, you know, he's
looking forward.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
To getting built.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
I know he's getting older. He doesn't know he's getting older,
but I do. So I can be the bad guy
in some cases there and.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
If needed, he's got a year left.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
He's got a year left, got a little more backup
tight end action to save Kelsey for the postseason.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
So he's now washed again.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Listen, he's already a Hall of Famer. I have no
I have no problem resting him three to four weeks. None.
I want him good. We want him good in January,
and I have no problem doing that.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Hey give him a sabbatical at some point season. Let's
go to the final story cons the NBA. This is
a story you love, you've been hyping.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
So NBA draft, The.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Hornets have the fourth pick.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
According to a report, an anonymous prospect, unfortunately we don't
have his name, refuse to work out for them, the
Hornets because LaMelo Ball is on the roster and this
prospect did not want to play with no LaMelo Ball. Now,
one of my hottest takes, like three months ago, was
if I had.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
The number one pick, and I would trade.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
LaMelo Ball because I wouldn't want Cooper Flag alongside LaMelo.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, and it melos like, he's not a winning player.
He's a flashy player. He's not a winning player.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
But this is a problem, Colin.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
He puts butt Oh my gosh, look at those stats
on the Oh, that's not good.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
He puts bots in the seats. Who cares win games?
Speaker 7 (20:46):
I don't, he merged the kids love him.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Oh great.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
I'm personally out on LaMelo. I don't know what he becomes.
But it's interesting that, like a prospect, a nineteen twenty
year old says, I don't want to play with that guy.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'm not looking out because some nineteen year olds are
grown ups and he's not a winning player. I wouldn't
want to play with him either. And I think he's fun.
He's better than I thought he would be. He's fun,
but he's not to me. You know, it's it's, it's
it all, what's it? Just look it up real quick.
What's his three point shooting percentage?
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Off the top of my head, like thirty three percent.
But he's just an unseerious basketball player.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's right. He's an unserious that's the.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Best way to put it. Like you look at this
finals in Terrese, Haliburton and SGA. These guys are locked in.
Lamello's just kind of he's going through the motion took.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
He shot thirty six percent and shot more threes than
Steph Curry, no self awareness, not a winning player, No.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Thanks, Yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
If he's your franchise player, you're building around him and
players a player doesn't want to be.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
A good organization would not build around and Celtics are
building around your hair. I think when you're I think
certain franchises are about putting butts in the seats. I
really do. I don't think they're I mean, like, I
think a lot of these owners, these are toys. They're billionaires.
They want butts in the seat. They don't really love
(22:04):
the sport. Most do. Most care, some like Matt should
be a care too much. But I don't think a
serious basketball operation. By the way, I'm not anti LaMelo
is fun. I think he's a in regular season game.
If they're playing and I'm sitting there watching NBA TV
and they're on, I'll sit around for ten minutes. He's
a fun plays enter day. You know, remember Jason Williams,
(22:24):
Remember the kid from West Virginia, Randy Moss's buddy. He
wasn't a serious basketball player, but he's fun good. I
love what a lot of turnovers, too much flash, but
again fun. I can respect that. LaMelo's obviously is a
very very I mean, he made the NBA. He's the
best of the ball brothers. He deserves that respect. He's
(22:45):
a pro athlete. He's put a lot of time in
the gym, but I certain guys are just not serious
winning players. I agree Jamak with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Well that's the news. Thanks for stopping the line.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
J McK and I the last hour, Eric Mangini stops by.
J Max is gonna have that story last hour. Nobody
wants the root for a bust, but sometimes you can
see the signs of an NBA player that's a bust. Also,
I didn't know this is this. LaMelo Ball has missed
one hundred and forty one games in the last three years,
(23:24):
so both Lonzo and LaMelo struggle to stay healthy. That's
a big part of it. Like there are years ago,
an NBA general manager of some renown said, you know,
we were just at an event and talking and he said,
it's not about getting a star, it's about getting the
right star. And he was talking about Tim Duncan. Tim
Duncan doesn't it's not about Flash. He's a great practice player,
(23:46):
he's coachable, like he's the right star. I don't even
need the name the names of guys who are stars.
And NBA has a very young fan base, and young
players or young fans are turned on by Flash and
that's fine. Maybe I was when I was twenty. But
the NBA teams like Sam Presty and Brad Stevens, pat Riley,
(24:10):
these are really RC Buford, these are grown ups. These
are really smart people. And it's not just about you know,
the guy that's cool, it's about the guy that does
makes winning plays. If you're shooting thirty five thirty six
percent from threes and you're shooting eleven a game, you
don't have the self awareness to be to be a
franchise player. Chris Brusard is now joining US cover the
(24:33):
NBA since the mid nineties co host. First things first, Yeah,
I was saying Game sevens are crazy. The one or
two things I know I'm gonna get. O Case's defense
will show up. Rick Carlile's coaching will be great. I'm
not sure I trust anything else. Pascal Sayakam usually gives
you a pretty consistent game. I mean, let's start with this.
(24:55):
Were you surprised that Halliburton played and he was that
good lad night because he was pretty good.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I wasn't surprised that he played.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I fully expected that, but he did not look injured,
and I know he was. There's no way to lie
about an injury like that, But I think it was
smart of the Pacers to like make it a game
time decision.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I'm sure they knew.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I don't know if they ever thought he wouldn't play,
you know, but to leave it out there as a
game time decision and put that question out there in
the minds of Okac Colin as good as Indiana was,
and they were great, and they deserve all the credit
for last night. I also thought Okac contributed to.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
That performance clearly.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I mean, they're not that much worse than the Pacers
or even on a bad night, and they looked like
a team that felt like the championship was in their pocket,
like they had it that Indiana was gonna fold, and
that Halliburton either wouldn't play or if he did play,
he would be severely compromised. No good, And he was
(26:01):
the exact opposite. He looked fine, he moved well. I
actually think Colin the injury made him focus more because
he was more aggressive than he's been for most of
the playoffs. Yeah, you know, like I think it made
him zero in and say, okay, I really have no
room for air tonight, and he ended up having.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
One of his best games of the series.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
You know, I said this because they won by an
average of twelve point nine points a game, because they
had the fourth most wins ever, there were these discussions,
are we looking at a great team? And I fell
for it. With Denver, I totally fell for it. I'm like,
they're gonna be the Spurs. I think last night confirmed
(26:45):
they're not a great team. Great teams aren't different on
the road to that level. The great teams, Michael Jordan's
Bulls could walk into your place, it didn't matter where
or when. Even the Celtics, the Celtics are you know,
the Tatum Celtics. They're sometimes better on the road than
at home. This team, the variants home and away to
(27:07):
meet illustrates they're another very good team with the chance
to win a championship. They're not great, yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I think that's just one of the many reasons they're
not like an all time great team. The guys look
at the numbers and the analytics that want to say
they're all time great. No, they're the second youngest team
ever to reach the finals. There's no way they're an
all time great team just because they're that young.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
And we'll look back, Colin, they have to win more championships.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Like when we talk about great teams, we're talking about
teams that had runs. The only one off team that
was like an all time great was the nineteen eighty
three Philly seventy six ers with Moses Malone and Doctor
j All. The other great teams were Dynasties, the Lakers
in Showtime, Kobe Shack, the Jordan Bulls, the Golden State.
(27:58):
So this is not an all time great team. And furthermore,
Collins and again, I'm rooting for the Pacers hard. I'm
from Indianapolis, one of the many places I'm from. But
this Pacers team is giving them all they want, and
they don't have one guy that you can pencil it
(28:19):
for twenty five a night.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
They don't have one guy.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Their most reliable score is Pascal Siaka. Can you imagine
if they had a Kevin Durant. If that's the type
of team that OKC was facing, and that Denver team
took them seven, gave them all they wanted with two
of their best four players Aaron Gordon, MPJ Michael Porter
(28:42):
Junior severely compromised by injury. So I think the Denver
team in twenty twenty three was better than this OKC team.
So yeah, look, I'll salute them if they win the championship,
but let's stop it with.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
The all time great team. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I mean, these teams live on their depth. They're both
depth teams. They're great teams of all time. We didn't
talk about we didn't care much about Shaq and Goby's depth.
We didn't care much about that when depth is your
go to thing, you know, I think you're a very
good team. Let me say this, though, I said, and
(29:20):
then we'll then we'll get to a couple of other things.
Lakers and maybe Caitlin Clark that if Indiana wins, it
will be the strangest team ever. Think about this strangest
championship team ever. Think about this twenty first in cap spending,
nobody averaging twenty Obi Toppins started four games all year,
(29:42):
he's their third leading scorer. TJ McConnell has become crucial,
and they have the oldest coach ever. If I wrote
those on paper, that sounds like a five hundred team
in the East. If they win Sunday, is this the
most unlikely strangest championship team ever?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
I think that's fair When you say unlikely. I mean,
fourth seed. There haven't been many teams, only a.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Couple, you know, elijahwon and the Rockets. Only a few
teams that were lower than third seeds have won championships,
so that in and of itself makes them unusual. Halla Burton,
you know, he's in Nick Wright's club superstar.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I'm fine with that, but let's keep it real. He's
a star.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
He I think he will eventually become a superstar, but
he's just a star, and the only we always think
back the nineteen seventy nine Seattle SuperSonics the two thousand
and four Detroit Pistons were the only teams to win
championships without being kind of star laden or at least
led by this super all time great superstar.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
This team would be in that group.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
But even Detroit in four, Chaunce Billips was a blue
chip high school and college player. Right, he just was
a disappointment, it's for beginning of his NBA career, but
he was a blue chip talent. Rashid Wallace at North
Carolina was a blue chip talent, you know, like they
had guys that were everyone new for years even before
(31:13):
the NBA, were great talents. This team really I mean
Pascal Siakam didn't even start playing until he was seventeen.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
And Halliburton, you.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Know, nobody really thought he was gonna be like a
superstar player.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
And you mentioned it, TJ McConnell, Colin.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Right now, Pascal Siakam is the Finals MVP.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
If Indiana were to win. TJ McConnell's in the running.
I mean he's in the running.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
He might get a ball depending on what happens in
Game seven.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So this is an unusual.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Team and it signifies.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
The change in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, because it's a team. It is not one, two,
or even three superstars. It is a true team and
some will love it, some will hate it, but it's
a different NBA at least this year.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Okay, Lakers sell for ten billion. I think some of
that is the new television deal and the Mark Walters
Group said, listen, we got guaranteed three hundred million dollar
checks annual or whatever it's going to be. You know
this because of your sourcing in the NBA. And I've
been on this for years, is they were really becoming
closer to the Cincinnati Bengals than they were the New
York Yankees, like they were mom and popping it like
(32:26):
there's stories this morning when the Lakers sold. What were
your sources saying about the new group.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Well, look, everybody loves the new group and that now.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
You're right, you don't hit the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
It was a bit surprising as you start covering the
NBA to see this great franchise, the glamor franchise of
the league, one of the best franchises in American sports history,
was really.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Run like a mom and pop operation. It really was.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
It is not run anywhere near the way the New
York Knicks, and they end up being much better than
the Knicks, but they're run like a mom and pop operation.
And now when you're bringing Mark Walter and you just
look Collin at what he's done with the Dodgers. The
Dodgers had not reached the World Series in twenty.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Four years when he took over.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
He takes over and they get great in short order
because he was willing to spend money even before the
Freddie Freemans and Mookie Betts and Shoel Tani's, they were
spending money with this new group to go get Andre
Ethier and other big names, you know. So he came
in and They've gone to four World Series one to two,
(33:36):
made the playoffs every year he's been there.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
So now imagine the Lakers, with the.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Weather, with the prestige of the franchise, now being willing
to spend money as much, if not more than anyone
else in the league. This is great for Luka Doncic
is great for Lakers fans, and they're gonna do everything
they can to start winning a bunch of championships.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And when you look at.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
What he's done with the Dodgers, it's hard to say he.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Won't get a few.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, and something to remember with the Lakers, it is
a winter league and outside of Miami. Steve Balmer has
talked about this. When he spent that money, he said,
AM never selling it. But he goes outside of Miami,
LA is the first or second choice where players, free
agent stars want to play. That's never going to change.
So the Lakers brand is underachieved for about ten years,
(34:29):
and now I think that will change. Hey, I got
to throw this at you. I'm a big Kevin Durant fan,
but I said, I don't understand the lack of interest.
Only two guys in the league average twenty five a
game and shot forty percent from three. I love him.
He's not asking for a max contract. He's not going
to get a five year deal. I think his messaging
(34:52):
sometimes is that he doesn't prioritize winning. He prioritizes having
fun and hoopin, and I think that turns off some
really serious front offices. That's the only thing I can
come up with. Why there is no bigger market? You
tell me, well, why isn't there?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I think that's a great point, and we've seen it
now now Brooklyn. I don't really put that on KD
because if they had had health, whether it was him
or James Hardener Kyrie, then I think that threesome may
have been able to win a championship. And then of
course Kyrie with the vaccination, so that was beyond his control.
(35:29):
But he picks Phoenix. Remember he wanted to go to Phoenix.
Phoenix was just a couple of years away from almost
winning the championship. They still had Devin Booker and now
look at them. And then when he has Miami on
his list of preferred destinations, why if he goes to Miami.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
If I'm Phoenix, I want.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Bam out to buy your Tyler Hero. Even if they
could keep those two and get him. They're not I
don't think they're a championship contending team with Kevin Durant,
So he could be in Phoenix East if he goes Miami.
So I think people are looking at that like, what
does he really want? Like you said, he just wants
to hoop, he wants to have fun.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Houston obviously can make the best deal for him.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
He would fit in perfectly. They would absolutely be a contender.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
But Colin, if I'm the Rockets, I'm sorry, I'm holding out.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
I'm waiting and holding my.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Assets to try to get Jannis out to the Coompo.
Yanni's wants to give him Alwalkie a chance, but that
could change by the trade deadline, and because they have
no way to get better, they really don't. Dame Lillard
is out, they don't have many the control of their
draft picks for several years. So I think Giannis will
eventually be on the market.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
If I'm Houston, I'm waiting for him.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I think Minnesota is the place to go as far
as the market. Colin's about to be thirty seven years old,
and he also wants probably a two year extension. That's
gonna be over one hundred million dollars. That's what teams
I think are looking at. Combined with he hasn't really
impacted winning for several years now, and he's only played
(37:06):
sixty five or more games once in the last five seasons.
So those are all things that have brought Kevin Duran's
market down.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Chris Bruce sard Brew, it's great seeing you on a
Friday crush it today on first things first, Thanks buddy,
Thanks calling. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't play the full schedule.
I tend to give older players a little bit of
a pass on that stuff. Are they going to be
available when I need him?
Speaker 4 (37:30):
So?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
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Speaker 4 (38:08):
You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
It's interesting right now. If you look, I was watching
a Steve Balmer clip yesterday, the Clippers owner, and you know,
people have talked about this, this Lakers sale and this
Celtic sales. I mean, think about this. We just had
Lakers and Celtics sell within a pretty short time spin
and you know, and Mark Cuban left, So I mean that, Yeah,
the biggest brand of Lakers, one of the more famous owners,
(38:34):
Mark Cuban. You have Boston a huge brand, so like that,
that would be like the Philadelphia Eagles, the Dallas Cowboys
and the San Francisco forty nine ers, you know, selling
in a short period. So what is it signal is
the league in trouble? Well, they signed a massive, massive deal.
(38:56):
I don't think the TV ratings have been great. And
this sort of move pivot new CBA, the second third Aprons.
You just can't stack rosters. So you're gonna have a
lot of teams that will be good, even champions that
will be very good, not great. But it is interesting
that you would have like the three two biggest brands.
(39:18):
And now some of this is also a reality of
what's happened the Lakers and the Cowboys. In my opinion,
Dallas will never sell that team with Jerry, but they
do feel like a mom and pop operation. The Bengals
feel mom and pop. The Lakers felt mom and pop.
Some of it is the world wealth. There is just
(39:40):
a lot of billionaires beyond the ownership of their team.
So if you're the Brown family in Cincinnati or the
Jones family, and Jerry's got a pretty vibrant, dynamic portfolio.
But some of this is just like the league getting
too big and rich, and some guys, some people can't
afford to be at the poker table any longer. But
I don't know if it's a signal about the NBA team.
Balmer is a really smart guy and Ballmer's all in
(40:04):
built it. I mean he weighed doubled down, he went
all in the Inuit dome. You know, cash flow on
an annual basis, I doubt the Clippers make any money
to knock on the NBA as it doesn't cash flow. Well,
there's a lot of teams that lose money on an
annual basis, But when the valuations are skyrocketing because of
the new TV deal, you're going to make your money.
(40:25):
But it better not be the only place you make money,
and that was the problem with the Bus family. This
is where they make money. For the Brown family, the Bengals,
that's where they make money, you know. And all of
this to me, as I think about it, I think,
we'll wait a minute. The Green Bay Packers don't even
have an owner, and they're one of the best organizations
in football. So you know, if you're well run, market
(40:49):
size doesn't matter that much. But there's a new world.
I mean, the Steinbrenner kids are not George in terms
of aggressiveness. I mean the Yankees now, even though they
have a big annual payroll, they don't feel quite as aggressive,
as global, as well funded as the Dodgers do. That said,
(41:09):
the Mets and the Yankees are two of the top
three or four payrolls on an annual basis, So I
don't don't I don't know. I mean Mark Davis of
the Raiders, he had to go get a bunch of
other owners, including Tom Brady. He needed cash flow, and
that was the reality. Denver that Broncos, I think have
the richest owner in the sport. So that's why they
(41:31):
can go and just write a check eighteen million a
year for Sean Payton. So it's just it's I don't
know if it signals anything about the NBA. I just
think it's just a bigger, broader business and the mom
and pop shops. I think the Bus family made a
great decision. I think it's good for the Laker fans.
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