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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go, hour two. Nick Wright a couple of
minutes Urban Meyer today as well. It's the Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Zach Fraser is
a Steeler center from West Virginia's great player and he's
a top five or six center in the NFL, already
tremendous player. He said that Aaron Rodgers addressed the Steelers
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team this morning and told them he is all in
from this point forward, so that means something. J mack
I Albert Briers article is very interesting on he Deep
die this on Aaron to Pittsburgh number one. He said,
the Steelers actually wanted to keep working with Justin Fields.
They thought that it was there there, but they weren't
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going to get into a bidding war. And the Jets
went and paid for him. Secondly, the Steelers didn't believe
at the end of last year. In the Jets Halloween
game against the Texans, he made a few big time
back shoulder throws. He played well. In the Dolphin game.
In Week sixteen against the Jaguars, he played well, so
they thought they saw some vintage Rogers. And number three
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is the Steelers did some diligence and they said he
did have some strong relationships in the Jets building, Robert Salah,
Christopher Johnson, who's a co owner. So they said it
was more of a it was overstated what a mess
the Jets was. So that's what the story says.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Listen Breer knows this stuff. Obviously, I'm not going to
disagree with him. I just think the Steelers are spinning
big time, right, not a mess, Yes, Colin, what the
Jets were like maybe the biggest dumpster fire in the
league last year, firing the coach early, having no game plan,
Rogers just stinking up the joint, costing him, gamed with interceptions,
pick sixes galore. I can't find the positives, but hey, Pittsburgh,
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good luck. Enjoy this song, Wins.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Here's the positives. You and I are in the interesting business,
and the Steelers offense hasn't been interesting since about twenty eighteen,
so they're interesting. Aaron is interesting. I mean I would
not watch the Steelers if it was Mason Rudolph and
Will Howard, I wouldn't watch the game. I mean, there's
no reason they'd be in the one o'clock window. They'd
be getting beat in the first six weeks. After about
three weeks, what's the point you're gonna watch with Aaron?
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I mean I watched the Jets, and the Jets aren't
interesting outside of Aaron. The second thing is Aaron is
not planned for money, He's not planned for legacy. He's
not planned for a Super Bowl run. This team isn't
close to a super Bowl with or without Aaron. So
I think it's pretty obvious Aaron likes to come across
as a little detached. I think he's playing for the
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level of football. I think he loves the game. I
think he likes to compete. I think he's into it.
What else are you gonna do? You know the contract?
I read the contract this morning. Most of its incentives.
I mean, he gets five hundred thousand dollars if the
Steelers make the playoffs. That's an outside shot. Seven hundred
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and fifty thousand if they win in the divisional round.
I don't think that's happening. A million five If they
win the Super Bowl and Rogers takes at least half
of the snaps, that's not happening. One point five million.
If he wins the MVP, that is not happening. So
more than half of the incentives three million are tied
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to winning the Super Bowl. So I think Aaron's playing
for the love of football. It's not gonna help his legacy.
It's not gonna be a pretty year. It's an eight
or nine win team, max, So you'll spin it positively.
He's always liked football means more to Aaron than sometimes
he lets on. There's a certain joy to playing. He
likes it. Good for him, Nick right now joining us
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live First things first. By the way, if you ran
the Steelers, would you have been patient and signed Aaron Rodgers?
What would you have done? If you ran the Steelers?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I would have taken a totally different tact to this offseason.
I wouldn't have traded for DK Metcalf. I still would
have traded away George Pickens, and I would have as
we are now seeing with TJ. Watt wanting a new contract,
I would have traded TJ. Watt to get a first
round pick and something else, and I would have said, Mason.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Rudolph, you're the man.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And I had to run that team out there for
one year to force a hard reset and go into
next year because they clearly didn't love the quarterbacks in
this year's draft. To go into next year's draft with
multiple firsts, multiple seconds, clean up their cap, their own
really good pick, and have a reset from there because
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this game they're trying to play. When you play in
a division with Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow, we're going
to patch work the quarterback position. And you know, our
mutual friend Kevin Clark speculated about this last week, and
I think he's right that Pittsburgh Steeler Quarterback twenty twenty
six has Anthony Richardson's name written all over it, because
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that is a very like by low.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Maybe you get.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Something out of him that's no path forward and wit.
Much like we say, when you pay a quarterback top dollar,
you might then ask him to do more with less weapons. Wise,
when Mike Tomlin is your head coach, I think it
is fair to ask his defense to do more with
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less from a personnel perspective. So if you could get
essentially get your future quarterback by moving off TJ. Watt
or using your own pick next year and have one
gap year, so to speak, that's what I.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Would have done.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Instead, it would appear that the Steelers are they built
an entire offseason around a goal of can we possibly
maybe win a single playoff game for the first time
in nine years, even though it gets them absolutely no
closer to Super Bowl number seven for one of the
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most prestigious franchises in the history of the league. So
I think it's a mistake what they've done, and I
think being in the Aaron Rodgers business is a mistake,
and I think punting on a long term quarterback solution
is a mistake.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
By the way, since Sam Darnold escape the Panthers and
the Jets, he's obviously a talented quarterback. So you know,
my history on projecting quarterbacks is not terrible. Daniel Jones,
Zach Wilson, and I'm pretty good, pretty pretty big good.
So I'm not sitting on the fence. Shadora Sanders will
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unseat Joe Flacco sometime in the first seven to eight weeks.
The first of all the OTA reports were wildly cynical, optimistic.
You couldn't you couldn't trust.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Any of them.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
They were all over the map. Sure give me, just
give me project What this year is gonna look like
for Shador Stander. Mine is week seven. The owners like
Dylan Gabriel small, Flacco's old, Kenny Picketts boring, I want
Shador Sanders and the owner's gonna get his way. The
schedule's tough. They're gonna get beat up by Burrow Lamar
(07:31):
goff Love. Give me your projection.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Okay, all right, Well, first of all, speaking of Dylan
Gabriel being small, not to give your producers work on
the fly, but if they could somehow in this segment
or in the next pull up. If you go to
the Browns official Twitter account, there is a short video
of like the team the photos and the photo shoot,
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and Dylan Gabriel and Joe Flacco are both in it
in the beginning before they take their picture. And when
you say Dylan Gabriel small, I know Joe Flacco is
a big guy, but he's not six'. Eight and the
way he towers Over Dylan gabriel makes. It it looks
like it's bring your son to. Workday i've never seen
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anything like. It it's startling how Tiny Dylan gabriel looks
compared To Joe.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Flacco so here's WHAT i.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Think BECAUSE i was not as high On shador coming
into the draft as some. People with that, SAID i
certainly thought he was a better prospect Than gabriel And Kenny,
pickett in my, opinion is not AN nfl. Quarterback we
have seen that, repeatedly And Joe flacco is good for
at best a really hot, month maybe a decent six,
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weeks but we know at this point in his career
there's an. Expiration so here is WHAT i would, Say.
Colin If shador does not start games for The browns.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
This, year it's a major.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Disappointment AND i know some people might be, like, guys
he was a fifth round, pick he's not supposed TO
i understand. That but here is HOW i look at.
IT i don't think they're going to keep four. QUARTERBACKS
i know historically that's been done on the rare. OCCASION
i don't think they're going To that's just the picture
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Of gabriel versus Black on the other.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Guys i'm telling.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You maybe it's the scope of the Video i'm talking.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
About it's.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Unbelievable he's just towering over. Him but, no SO i
don't think they're going to keep colin four. QUARTERBACKS i
think they are. Going my guess would Be flaco And
picket are competing to be the, starter and whoever is
not the. Starter of those two, veterans The browns will
try to trade one of them for like a conditional
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seventh to another, team and then they will want to
roster both of their draft picks because you can't put
one of them on practice. Squad team could then just take.
Him So shador's first objective should be CAN i beat
Out Dylan gabriel for the backup quarterback? Job CAN, i
from now Until september first be better Than Dylan?
Speaker 5 (10:14):
GABRIEL i think he.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Can and if you go into this season as The
browns backup, quarterback then you are eventually going to be
The browns starting quarterback Because Canny pickett Or Joe flacco
are absolutely not going to start all seventeen. Games SO
i think your projection about around mid season is a fair.
ONE i think they have around a mid season BY
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i don't have it committed to, memory but that's HOW
i remember, it and SO.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I think that's.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Right and if he, doesn't then the draft slide wasn't
just about fame and drama and his dad and all.
That it was the real football measurables that people were concerned.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
ABOUT i gotta throw this at. You I'M i understand
the cash a of coaching The. KNICKS i like the
cash cow Of Cooper. Flag there is no Way i'm
Leaving dallas AND. Ad so my argument is The Jason kid.
RUMORS i wouldn't have Fired, tims but the. Rumors So
Jason kidd gets the best player on either. TEAM ad
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twenty four and, eleven elite. Defender all the bigs for
the narrow Yerk knicks have, issues And brunson's got defensive.
Issues and then the trajectory For Derek lively And Cooper.
Flagg the sky is the. Limit If lively was one
of the TOP rim protectors in two, Years he's twenty,
One Cooper flag's eighteen. NINETEEN i know The knicks has
cachet and The east is. Weaker i'm, SORRY i get,
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It but If ad comes, Back Gafford, Washington, Cooper, Flag,
LIVELY i. Can't The knicks have a bunch of. Guys
Michale bridges wants more. Money frontson's, Expensive cat's expensive og got,
Paid Josh. Hart it's a roster of. CEILINGS i cannot
Leave lively And flag for that? Roster can you?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Also?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
YES i, can especially IF i think IF i leave
That knicks roster might one day also Have yannis on.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It LIKE I, SO i think you're. So, FIRST i
want to.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Give you credit Because i've been pedaling and Now i've
been giving you credit for, it But i've been pedaling
Your James Dolan's spear take to everyone who's in the
market for.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
It me, Uh AND i know you.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Talked about it again, recently which Is dolan got distracted
by The, spear which is.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
What allowed The knicks to become. Great and then WHAT
i added to.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
That take was all of a, sudden The spears up
and running fully, functional and The knicks or the hottest
show in. Town And James dolan is like the kid
in toy story who got you, know is like Buzz
lightyear was the new. Toy and then he's, like you know,
WHAT i always Loved woody the most, anyway and now he's,
like this is really WHERE i want to. Be fire
the codes bring in. Somebody SO i do think you.
(12:59):
Nailed but WHERE i disagree with you IS i think
that the barrier to entry in The west is so
much higher than in The. East Cooper, flag the fact
that he won't turn nineteen Until december is really good
for the long term projection of what he'll, be but
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it's also indicative that he's probably not going to have
a real impact on winning for a few. Years Even,
wimby who was a far better prospect Than Cooper, flag.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
We saw this.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Year in year, two prior to the blood, plot The
spurs still weren't. WINNING i THINK i disagree with you
That Anthony davis is the best player on the two.
TEAMS i Think Jalen brunson at this point is a
more impactful. Player for no other, reason then he's so
much more available Than Anthony. Davis and next year The
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east next year is as wide open of a conference
as any conference we've ever. Seen you then add to
it THAT i think The knicks entire plan here Is Jason,
kidd who Coached, giannis Who yannis.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Liked if we Hire.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Kid does that tip the scales To giannis not only
asking for a, trade but asking for a trade specifically
To New. York so and by the, Way Jason kidd
has always been a guy with a wandering eye as
a player or as a, coach and SO i don't
think he loved The luca. TRADE i think he understands
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that right, now forget being a top three team in
The Western conference next, year The Dallas mavericks are likely
not a top three team in the state Of, texas
with The rockets and The spurs ready to do what they.
Are and so IF i Were Jason, KIDD i would
want The. KNICKS i would want the easier path to the.
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FINALS i would want far better management than they has
currently In, dallas AND i would want the chance to
go Get.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Jannis SO i think The pacers are a little. OUTMATCHED i,
think you, KNOW i, Mean Oklahoma city's led for ninety
one minutes The pacers, two AND i Think Oklahoma, city
WHO i liked in this Series i'm sure you did as,
well will. Win but it is. INTERESTING i When denver
won the title a couple of years, AGO i was,
like this is The spurs With duncan and then it.
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Wasn't and then When tatum and The celtics, Win i'm
like four to. SIX i, mean they could go on,
forever and then it. Didn't is that THAT i look
At Oklahoma city And i'm, like, well they're gonna have to,
Pay Like Jalen williams and Home grin still hot and
cold AND i LOVED. Sga BUT i look at it
AND i think If jannis went To San, antonio what changes?
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It If jannis went To. HOUSTON i Think dallas is.
Good next year The lakers could make something. HAPPEN i
don't want to fall for it. Again let's Say Oklahoma
city wins and they went it in. Five what is their?
Trajectory do you? See Because i've fallen for it twice
And i'm like slowed. Down they're not that good or
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are they so? Well?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
NO i think they are that. GOOD i also think
that we are not any dynasty. ERA i think that
the aprons and the different things THE nba has put
into kind of prevent super teams has had that effect
where even if you were The celtics and you're, homegrown
and not that they're all, homegrown But tatum And brown,
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were and you make really smart moves and all those.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Things your windows still.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Relatively, short because now even If tatum were, healthy The
celtics would be selling off pieces this.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
OFFSEASON i also think it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Is instructive that if we look at colin the last seven,
champions none of them the following year have made it
past round, two no one's come close to defending their,
Title and of the last six, champions the only one
to make a conference finals at any point post championship
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was actually The lakers when they made it a few
years after they won in twenty, twenty when they made
the conference finals in twenty twenty, three last year's champ
got clipped in round. Two the year before champ got
clipped in round. Two the year before that the champ
The warriors missed the, playoffs and the champ the year
before that The bucks got clipped in round. Two we
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are not in a dynastic era right, now and SO
i applaud you for not making the mistake that so
many people have ic, making which is the exact same
people who promised me The nuggets were about to reel
off a.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Bunch and as of a month.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Ago one month, ago a lot of people thought we
were in The celtics, era and now today they're, like
turns out it's not The celtics. Era in, fact it's
someone else's. Era it's The thunder. Era that in THE
nba it always feels like the team that just won
is always going to. Win and in large part that's
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because for a lot OF nba history that was. True
in this the last, decade that has not been. True
and SO i would not yet pencil in The thunder
for multiple, championships even THOUGH i agree with YOU i
think they are. GOING i don't see a single matchup
That indiana has the advantage in AND i don't think
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a Single pacer can feel good about how they've. Played,
colin did you realize The pacers haven't had a player
score twenty points, yet not one player score Twenty, well
look at.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
At thirty, twenty look AT i, mean if you start
looking at and if you start looking at What Oklahoma
city's defense has, DONE i, mean people forget this because
we don't watch the regular season like the. Postseason they
won by an average of thirteen. Points that is hard
in The. West that's done in The. East that's in The.
West if you look At Oklahoma city's record against The.
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EAST i don't have. It as you, said committed to memory.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Twenty nine and. One there were twenty nine and.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
One, okay NOW i want to show. This and my
take on The browns quarterback is one quarterback's too, old
one's too, small and then.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
One here's the video that does not look like it's two.
PROS i mean that when you See flacco walk over,
there it looks like it's someone who like works for
the brown social media. Team like, AGAIN i understand, that
And i'm not trying to be, unfair AND i Think
Dylan gabriel is a really cool, story BUT i do not.
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LIKE i don't, like, like just watch him when he
walks over if they if it, reset if it. REPLAYS
i don't love super SKINNY nba, players AND i don't
like small quarterbacks like that is. CRAZY i, Mean flaco's
a big. Guy he's Not he's Not Brock, osweiler and
SO i don't, know, Man LIKE i just can't imagine
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you watched More oregon football than, me BUT i don't
think you were Watching oregon this, year and, like, well
that guy's probably A week FIVE nfl, Starter AND i
Mean flacco does him the courtesy of you, know kind
of squatting down in the picture to not tower over
him in the team. PHOTO i Just shador should be
able to beat him, out And shador should be able
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to beat Out Kenny pickett And Joe. Flacco because of his,
age we know he's not going to start the whole.
SEASON i think it is a it will be a
very ominous sign to your point from the beginning If
shador is not the starter at some.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Point. Yeah, NO i watch Eight oregon games a. Year
in my take, was that's a hell of a college.
Player and you see that all the. TIME i see
guys all the. Time i'm, like that is a great college.
Player and then sometime like The Arizona state had that
running Back. Scataboo, Yeah LIKE i looked at him And i'm,
LIKE i remember asking, myself don't fall for. It and
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then the MORE i watched him bounce off, People i'm, Like,
okay that's AN nfl. Player maybe not a first or
second round. Guy he's a, fourth, fifth sixth round. Guy
SO i, Mean, dylan you, Know dave Gabriel at is
like a six round quarterback at.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Best he you know. Who he reminded me of he.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Was now he wasn't as good in college as the
Player i'm about to. Mention and you, know this is
a colleague and a, friend SO i hope this is
not taken as an insult because it's a. Compliment but
he reminded me Of Chase daniel where it's, like, oh,
okay And chase was a great college. Player you, Know
chase was in The heisman race at one, point but
you looked at him and you, said, okay because of his,
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size he. Is his ceiling on the next level is
long term. Backup And, chase to his, credit was a great,
like you, know a professional backup for more than a.
DECADE i THOUGHT i would imagine that's How Dylan gabriel's
even family and agents looked at, it, like, hey you
do everything right and you can be on AN nfl
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roster for a, decade maybe a spot, starter and then you,
know use that as a pipeline to coaching or whatever it.
IS i don't think people were, Like Dylan gabriel is
going to be Our Kyler, murray like he just. Was
he's not that player and so and SO I that's
that's WHAT i. Thought So schdor should should have an.
(22:21):
Opportunity there a real, Opportunity nick.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Right first things, first could see him man see you Com,
yeah you know it's. Funny WHEN i was, young growing
up in the, seventies there was a quarterback out Of
georgia named Fran tarkenton who ran. Around he was a smaller.
Quarterback he was like five eleven six foot. Tall quarterbacks
were just in the seventies and. Eighties they were. Big
there were six two sixty, three six four or six
five and AND i can remember some quarterbacks getting drafted
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big that, Failed dan McGuire six, five six, seven they
didn't all, work Brought. Assweiler BUT i can remember the
first small QUARTERBACK i noticed Was Fran. Tarkin and Then
Russell wilson comes in and has. Success AND i Thought
russell will and got guys Like Johnny manziel. Drafted but
size matters at. Quarterbacks not picking on, anybody it just
it does. Matter and so At Shador, sanders AND i
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made this comment a year, ago is bigger in person
than you. THINK I Sometimes i'll watch video of like
quarterbacks when they're at The combine or they're at like
The Senior, bowl and they're hanging around normal sized people
like you and. Me Shadar sanders is they list them
at six. Two he's a big six to, two you,
know big, shoulders big. Head he's AN NFL i Mean.
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Aaron i'll give an example about. That Aaron rodgers is
six one and a. Half Aaron rodgers is my. Height
i've never once thought he was a small. Quarterback he
weighs thirty two pounds to thirty five pounds more than
me were the same. Height AND i don't Think aaron looks,
heavy but big, butt big, shoulders you, know big. Head
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aaron's a pro. Athlete and So mahomes is six one
and a. Half i've never even thought about his. Height
well two is six feet, tall they tell. Me and
that's ALL i can stare. At so a lot Of
bryce young to, me feels. Small so it's nothing against the.
Guy but there there are some, GUYS i Mean Zach.
Wilson to, me they say he's six one and a,
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half six. Two he looks. Small mahomes is six.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
One and a.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Half i've never even thought about his. Height, so you,
KNOW i just think schadere it's kind of pick On
Shadur sanders time in THE. NFL i think he's pretty.
Good we take a.
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It So Jon green has.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Spoke it's, interesting, good a good.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Line we could Use Draymond green in THE nba, finals
a character like. Him, well he's now chiming in on
THE nba finals and that kind of a hot take
That Alex caruso is the third best, player third most
important On Okay. Seers okay see take a.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Listen that's WHEN i look at this okayc, TEAM i
actually think the third most important player Is Alex.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
CARUSO i Think caruso is so important to what they.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Do AND i feel like you never gain plat form,
though because you don't game plan for.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Him he comeing to these finals and he he go
crazy but the reality.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Is he's a, champion so he actually knows what they. Spect,
Yeah crusho has always been a little. UNDERVALUE i think
smart people in the. LEAGUE i think they kind of
stole him From. CHICAGO i think he's a good.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Player, Yeah chicago management needs needs a little Uh jay
AND c. CONSULTING i, mean how do you give Away
Alex caruso for For Josh?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Giddy carusho has.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Been instrumental to look at the numbers here in the,
playoffs it's been. Tremendous remember he Guarded jokichen with The game.
SEVEN i Believe game seven kind of messed With. YOKICH
i will, say as a guy who fashions himself a,
Defender caruso gets away with.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
MURDER i mean he.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Is he's all over guys in their jerseys and somehow
it's really never. Called i'll say this. GUY i do
Believe game three is the. Series If okase, wins it's.
OVER i do, think And i'm writing it up for Five.
SPORTS i think there's a case For indiana Winning game.
Three by the, way it's been over six months since
The pacers have lost back to back eas this is
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a this is a great spot for them coming home fired.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Up you, know the crowds could be juiced.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Up is it too early for a?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Prediction game is?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
YEAH i, MEAN i guess my problem With indiana is
that THEY'VE i, Mean milwaukee couldn't take him out of their.
Pace cleveland, couldn't The knicks. Couldn't they could not mixed
it for about a. Game And Oklahoma city has Taken
halliburton and them out of their rhythm and so and
this is what great defenses. DO i, mean Remember Peyton
(27:04):
manning face The. SEAHAWKS i was saying the other day
that This okase reminds me a little of The, seahawks
where they've got you, know they've got an offensive, star
but that. TEAM i remember When brady was competing and
beat eventually beat The seahawks and The Super, bowl And
brady talked about the game plans to face The seahawks.
Defense he, goes when we catch the, ball you only move.
Forward That belichick, said you don't go sideline to. SIDELINE
(27:27):
a they're faster than, us AND b they'll strip us
of the football create. Turnovers this defense is the kind
of defense that it is taking a, great fast faced
offense out of its. Rhythm Milwaukee Cleveland knicks could not do,
that And oklahoma said he's done it in back to back.
Game that tells me they have personnel.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Advantages, YEAH i think you had the Stat The pacers
have led for like three two or three minutes in
the series so.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Far that's not.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Great not.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Great all, Right let's move to THE nfl colin what
a Eight the Irrelevant raiders have a lot of promises.
Season finally they got old Guy Pete carroll at. Coach
you got you, know Veteran Geno smith and of Course Ashton,
genty so the offense will be.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Better, uh they play in the toughest division of.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Football But Pete carroll Believes vegas is ready to compete right.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Away it's, uh warms my heart to see if they
we're having fun and we're working really hard and guys
are you can tell that they can sense. It there's something,
changing and so a lot of expectations for. Us we're
gonna you, know we're going for. It we're not holding.
Back we're not looking for any give us some grace
period or an that kind of. Stuff that's not that's
not how it's going about. This you don't want to
go get it right, now AND i think the players
(28:33):
feel that sense of urgency and, there and they're showing
that by the way they.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
PRACTICE i think this one of the single greatest strengths
of THE. Nfl it is The league of. Hope is
that you can watch What denver. Did denver was a lifeless,
Franchise peyton Bow nick's playoff team in The Mahomes, division
in The Harbor, division in The Herbert, division in The
Andy Reid, division and you look at What washington, did
(28:56):
a laughing stock for a. Decade only The jets can't
dig themselves out of a. Hole the reality is this
league is built On houston being awful and a playoff
team in a. YEAR i said this last year About.
Minnesota If minnesota was picked for, FOURTH i, said they'll
be the best fourth place team. Ever The raiders if
they finished, fourth AND i think they will will be
(29:18):
as good a fourth place. TEAM i think it speaks
well to THE. Nfl the teams now at the bottom
of some of these. Divisions The raiders Had kansasity beat
twice last, year and no team in the league has
upgraded their coaching staff more than The. Raiders and you
could argue their quarterback. Position i'm not calling. It if
(29:38):
it wasn't for the fact that Hardball Andy reid And
Sean payton are in the, DIVISION i would have no
problem saying in any other Division raiders make the. PLAYOFFS
i really think they're.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
CLOSE i think some of that last Year chiefs were
big favorites in both those.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Games is you go, in you're playing The.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Raiders they, stink they don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Their quarterback situations and they kind of let their guard,
down and The raiders play. Tough BUT i did look
at the Schedule colin for the and you can have
all the excitement you want right out of the. Gate
you cross country trips To New england And vrabel he's
gonna have them game, Plan Drake may stepping. Up then
you face The. Chargers it is at, home but The
chargers they're. Better then you've got to go back across
(30:15):
the country to Face washington And Jaden. Daniels then you're
back home for your Boy caleb And Ben. Johnson then
there's a bit of a respite and that game At
Kansas city before the bye week is. Big if they
can somehow get to the by at is three and
four doable if we give them the wins over The Colton.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Titans, oh first of, all At Drake, may we don't
know What New england. Is we Know. Chargers New england
is a playoffs it's a. Rival, yeah that doesn't mean
they're going to win their. OPENER i mean it's a
whole new, staff it's a whole new. Roster there's no
roster in THE nfl that has more changes than The.
Patriots they're not going to be great In. September The
(30:54):
chargers is a. Rivalry division. Game washington's a, loss but
we don't know what The bears in And tennessee areh
And Kansas CITY i have as a wild card. Team
then out of the BYE i Get. Jacksonville wait wait,
wait so, yeah All le's. Glee that is a Play
that is not a daunting schedule at. All really, okay all.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Right somebody's A raiders fan around. Here oh my, GOD
i was getting. Worried holy. Cows so do you have
anyone in the division missing the?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Playoffs? Colin, yeah The. Raiders but if you're trying to sell,
me OH i look at, that AND i see At
washington and At philly those are ls every other game
on that. Schedule i'm, sorry but AT cac At denver The,
chargers those are Winnable division.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Games somebody on the internet's going to clip this off
and throw it at you in.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
There two and.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Nine final, Story colin, is let's go to those New
England patriots who you're bullish, on but weirdly not in week,
one it sounds Like Drake may's starting to find his
groove in The josh mcdamiels.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Offense may talk.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
To the media about how things are going so.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
FAR i think it's been. GOOD i Think i'm starting
to kind, of you, know really kind of find a fun,
stride kind of kind of bummed out we're about to,
leave but, no it's funny. Time we're going to get
a great. Defense he got good, players two great. Corners
this year's you, know saying. Approach you got new guys in,
here new, staff kind of got to keep on getting
to know, everybody kind of you, know show my work
ethic and then kind of from there the season comes,
(32:14):
around try to take a next step of leadership and
leave the offense and hopefully leading the full.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Team, Colin they'll be good.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
EVENTUALLY i would be the Biggest Drake may fan if
he were on any team other Than New.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
England you, KNOW i hate The patriots And.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
May i'm just telling.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
You remember after the, DRAFT i was, like, Listen Drake,
MAY i would take him Over jay M Jane. Daniels
and that looks stupid for a. Minute Then may comes
on and is, like.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Oh he's kind of.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Good would not shock me If, may like you, said
got The patriots to the.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Playoffs he's very.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Good.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Man you know this guy's, family you know In North.
Carolina he has a brother who played. Hoops, like this
guy is a football.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Lifer his comp With Justin HERBERT i thought was a
really accurate. Comp he's a good. PLAYER i think he's
gonna be really. GOOD i really. DO i think THE
nfl last year we made that draft that Had Drake
may And jaden And caleb And Bo nix And Michael,
pennix that IF jj McCarthy works to some, level we
(33:15):
could have a six for six draft with. Quarterbacks, Pennix
pennix is working Three panic's gonna be. Fun but jmckle the, News,
well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by the
Herd line. News oh, interesting there's Some Chdure sanders impressive
practice video making the, rounds and we'll show you that.
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he's not. Playing we'll, see. Okay, so according To Mary Ka,
cabot WHO i trust covers The Cleveland, Browns Dylan gabriel
got the first set of. Eleven on eleven's working with
the first team, offense first team. Defense Shadoor sanders work
(35:52):
with a second team offense and against the second team.
Defense so we have a piece of video From Schadre.
Sanders let's roll the tape on. THIS i am told
it looks a little Like Johnny unitas Meets Joe. Montanna
look at that deep, ball my, lord in a heavy gusty,
wind it pierces The ohio. Weather here's another one over the.
(36:16):
Middle you, know you know What i'm Sending Dylan gabriel.
Video you're just seeing lots of. Chedeur look at that
second team scrub wide receiver barely gets open and he
places that cookie right in the. Jar J mag what
do you gotta say for? Yourself i'm just, saying you,
KNOW i had to look up that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Cornerback it turns out he works At chipotle and he's
trying to make The. Browns so that's Who Shador sanders is,
okay secondary time?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Out are these? Now my staff just sent these? Numbers
are those? Todays? Stop, okay listen to. This, okay listen to.
This SO i Take flacco? Out he, didn't he didn't.
Play Dylan gabriel went seven of. Eighteen Kenny pickett went
six of, ten which sums up his career. Six Shader
(37:06):
sanders ten of, twelve two, touchdowns no. Picks he keeps
putting these numbers up AT ota and mandatory. Camp i'm,
sorry but he's exactly what he was in. College. Accurate
Shaduor sanders ten of, twelve two. Touchdowns, now last week
when he was, good it was, like well It's OTA's
i get, IT i get. It but he was. Accurate
(37:26):
so here The browns quarterbacks mini camp. Today who's got
the best numbers, Again Chadueur. Sanders you need the.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Context The chaduur is playing against backups and second, stringers
And Dylan.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Gabriel's with the.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Ones, AKAY i just need to remind PEOPLE i was
Pro chaudor before the, draft and then THE nfl basically
rejected him all of THE nfl and he fell to
the fifth.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Round and because of.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
That that's Why i'm, LIKE i don't.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Think he's a.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
STARTER i don't Dislike Schadour, colin but you have to
admit the ENTIRE nfl passed on him for a.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Reason, okay, well the ENTIRE nfl first round passed On Jalen.
Hurts they make, mistakes there are guys that have been.
DRAFTED i, MEAN i wouldn't get too caught up on
will they make. Mistakes there was his Dad's Super bowl
tour saying we're not playing for these, teams directed right
at the teams that we're gonna draft him and owners
(38:18):
in THE. Nfl it's an old boys. Club they don't
want to hear that you don't want to play for their.
Team so there were people that just, SAID i mean
when When Dion sanders During Super Bowl week went on
very popular shows and the message was there are teams
he will not play. For he wasn't talking about The,
Bills ravens And chiefs And. Eagles he was talking about
The saints and The giants and the owners that would draft.
(38:42):
Him that's why did you notice this after The Super
bowl When, dion you, know had his sort of parade
through talk. Shows did you notice after That Super Bowl
Week media, week The jackson dart is the apple of
The New York's giants eye. Started why they're like because
probably ownership said we're not, interested we're not taking. Him
(39:05):
and also there's the report that he. Went you, Know
shador went to The giants wasn't great on the. Board
so my take, IS i think it got. PERSONAL i
think his dad was. INVOLVED i think there was a
lot of stuff With shadur that turned people off and
owners started getting involved in decision. Making All i'm saying,
is if you look at These ota And mini camp,
(39:28):
Numbers Dylan gabriel's, Inaccurate Kenny pickett Is Kenny. Pickett flacco's
not doing much because it's his job to, lose And
Shador sanders continues to have the best. Numbers Here's Albert
breer on The browns quarterback.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
Race it's really hard when you look at the early
part of their, schedule unless they're a lot better than
they were last, year for them to be coming out
of that in a real position of. Strength and SO
i do Think Joe flacco is likely going to be
The week one. Starter Joe flacker has been great in the,
Building he's been great for that quarterback. Room he's been
(40:03):
great for the young. QUARTERBACKS i think you'll Hear chaduor
And Dylan gabriel talk about him that way when the
media talks to them this. Week SO i Think joe's
gonna get a. Shot AND i, think you, know If
joe looks good In july And, august you, know then
you'll see the team behind. Him and then you get
in The, september and his ability to hold onto that
(40:24):
job won't just be about his own, Play it'll be
about where the team.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Is The browns probably fairly have the weakest receiving core
in the. League So shador's working with their second team.
Receivers their first team receivers are the weakest unit in the.
LEAGUE i, MEAN i don't think that's taken a. Shot
it's a it's a bad receiving. Unit shador is getting
the second he's getting the, leftovers and he goes ten for.
(40:50):
Twelve all, Right SO i have a comp for, You.
Colin are you?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Ready it was a gentleman Named Lonzo ball who was
an acclaimed college basketball player for a, minute then he
goes to the. Draft his dad was piping. Up do
you REMEMBER i had to look this. Up In Summer
league with The, Lakers Lonzo ball had a game where
he had thirty, six eleven and eight against The. Sixers,
oh he's the future of THE. Nba lonzo bal is
gonna crush. It and he came out and was, like you,
(41:16):
know squashed like a bug as a, rookie and.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
He clearly could not.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
PLAY i wonder if there's a parallel with THIS ota
nonsense Where saedor's cooking And Lonzo.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Ball In SUMMER k.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
All time most accurate college quarterback Was Shador sanders with
a seventy four percent completion. Rate chador's total stats FROM
OTAs in today's mini camp twenty six of thirty, five
seventy four percent completion, rate eight, touchdowns one. Pick he
is exactly as a PRO otn mini caamp what he
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was the college player twenty six of thirty, five eight,
touchdowns one. Pick and it's not getting reps with the first. Team.
Okay All i'm saying, is you can keep telling me.
SOMETHING i keep getting this video with these lasers piercing
the air In, ohio that muggy difficult air to throw
(42:11):
in The ALL i see is it's like watching the
Movie Star wars just, lasers
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Here we go, hour two. Nick Wright a couple of
minutes Urban Meyer today as well. It's the Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Zach Fraser is
a Steeler center from West Virginia's great player and he's
a top five or six center in the NFL, already
tremendous player. He said that Aaron Rodgers addressed the Steelers
(00:49):
team this morning and told them he is all in
from this point forward, so that means something. J mack
I Albert Briers article is very interesting on he Deep
die this on Aaron to Pittsburgh number one. He said,
the Steelers actually wanted to keep working with Justin Fields.
They thought that it was there there, but they weren't
(01:10):
going to get into a bidding war. And the Jets
went and paid for him. Secondly, the Steelers didn't believe
at the end of last year. In the Jets Halloween
game against the Texans, he made a few big time
back shoulder throws. He played well. In the Dolphin game.
In Week sixteen against the Jaguars, he played well, so
they thought they saw some vintage Rogers. And number three
(01:32):
is the Steelers did some diligence and they said he
did have some strong relationships in the Jets building, Robert Salah,
Christopher Johnson, who's a co owner. So they said it
was more of a it was overstated what a mess
the Jets was. So that's what the story says.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Listen Breer knows this stuff. Obviously, I'm not going to
disagree with him. I just think the Steelers are spinning
big time, right, not a mess, Yes, Colin, what the
Jets were like maybe the biggest dumpster fire in the
league last year, firing the coach early, having no game plan,
Rogers just stinking up the joint, costing him, gamed with interceptions,
pick sixes galore. I can't find the positives, but hey, Pittsburgh,
(02:16):
good luck. Enjoy this song, Wins.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Here's the positives. You and I are in the interesting business,
and the Steelers offense hasn't been interesting since about twenty eighteen,
so they're interesting. Aaron is interesting. I mean I would
not watch the Steelers if it was Mason Rudolph and
Will Howard, I wouldn't watch the game. I mean, there's
no reason they'd be in the one o'clock window. They'd
be getting beat in the first six weeks. After about
three weeks, what's the point you're gonna watch with Aaron?
(02:39):
I mean I watched the Jets, and the Jets aren't
interesting outside of Aaron. The second thing is Aaron is
not planned for money, He's not planned for legacy. He's
not planned for a Super Bowl run. This team isn't
close to a super Bowl with or without Aaron. So
I think it's pretty obvious Aaron likes to come across
as a little detached. I think he's playing for the
(02:59):
level of football. I think he loves the game. I
think he likes to compete. I think he's into it.
What else are you gonna do? You know the contract?
I read the contract this morning. Most of its incentives.
I mean, he gets five hundred thousand dollars if the
Steelers make the playoffs. That's an outside shot. Seven hundred
(03:19):
and fifty thousand if they win in the divisional round.
I don't think that's happening. A million five If they
win the Super Bowl and Rogers takes at least half
of the snaps, that's not happening. One point five million.
If he wins the MVP, that is not happening. So
more than half of the incentives three million are tied
(03:40):
to winning the Super Bowl. So I think Aaron's playing
for the love of football. It's not gonna help his legacy.
It's not gonna be a pretty year. It's an eight
or nine win team, max, So you'll spin it positively.
He's always liked football means more to Aaron than sometimes
he lets on. There's a certain joy to playing. He
likes it. Good for him, Nick right now joining us
(04:00):
live First things first. By the way, if you ran
the Steelers, would you have been patient and signed Aaron Rodgers?
What would you have done? If you ran the Steelers?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I would have taken a totally different tact to this offseason.
I wouldn't have traded for DK Metcalf. I still would
have traded away George Pickens, and I would have as
we are now seeing with TJ. Watt wanting a new contract,
I would have traded TJ. Watt to get a first
round pick and something else, and I would have said, Mason.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Rudolph, you're the man.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And I had to run that team out there for
one year to force a hard reset and go into
next year because they clearly didn't love the quarterbacks in
this year's draft. To go into next year's draft with
multiple firsts, multiple seconds, clean up their cap, their own
really good pick, and have a reset from there because
(04:53):
this game they're trying to play. When you play in
a division with Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow, we're going
to patch work the quarterback position. And you know, our
mutual friend Kevin Clark speculated about this last week, and
I think he's right that Pittsburgh Steeler Quarterback twenty twenty
six has Anthony Richardson's name written all over it, because
(05:16):
that is a very like by low.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Maybe you get.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Something out of him that's no path forward and wit.
Much like we say, when you pay a quarterback top dollar,
you might then ask him to do more with less weapons. Wise,
when Mike Tomlin is your head coach, I think it
is fair to ask his defense to do more with
(05:40):
less from a personnel perspective. So if you could get
essentially get your future quarterback by moving off TJ. Watt
or using your own pick next year and have one
gap year, so to speak, that's what I.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Would have done.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Instead, it would appear that the Steelers are they built
an entire offseason around a goal of can we possibly
maybe win a single playoff game for the first time
in nine years, even though it gets them absolutely no
closer to Super Bowl number seven for one of the
(06:18):
most prestigious franchises in the history of the league. So
I think it's a mistake what they've done, and I
think being in the Aaron Rodgers business is a mistake,
and I think punting on a long term quarterback solution
is a mistake.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
By the way, since Sam Darnold escape the Panthers and
the Jets, he's obviously a talented quarterback. So you know,
my history on projecting quarterbacks is not terrible. Daniel Jones,
Zach Wilson, and I'm pretty good, pretty pretty big good.
So I'm not sitting on the fence. Shadora Sanders will
(06:54):
unseat Joe Flacco sometime in the first seven to eight weeks.
The first of all the OTA reports were wildly cynical, optimistic.
You couldn't you couldn't trust.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Any of them.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
They were all over the map. Sure give me, just
give me project What this year is gonna look like
for Shador Stander. Mine is week seven. The owners like
Dylan Gabriel small, Flacco's old, Kenny Picketts boring, I want
Shador Sanders and the owner's gonna get his way. The
schedule's tough. They're gonna get beat up by Burrow Lamar
(07:31):
goff Love. Give me your projection.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Okay, all right, Well, first of all, speaking of Dylan
Gabriel being small, not to give your producers work on
the fly, but if they could somehow in this segment
or in the next pull up. If you go to
the Browns official Twitter account, there is a short video
of like the team the photos and the photo shoot,
(07:57):
and Dylan Gabriel and Joe Flacco are both in it
in the beginning before they take their picture. And when
you say Dylan Gabriel small, I know Joe Flacco is
a big guy, but he's not six'. Eight and the
way he towers Over Dylan gabriel makes. It it looks
like it's bring your son to. Workday i've never seen
(08:19):
anything like. It it's startling how Tiny Dylan gabriel looks
compared To Joe.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Flacco so here's WHAT i.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Think BECAUSE i was not as high On shador coming
into the draft as some. People with that, SAID i
certainly thought he was a better prospect Than gabriel And Kenny,
pickett in my, opinion is not AN nfl. Quarterback we
have seen that, repeatedly And Joe flacco is good for
at best a really hot, month maybe a decent six,
(08:50):
weeks but we know at this point in his career
there's an. Expiration so here is WHAT i would, Say.
Colin If shador does not start games for The browns.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
This, year it's a major.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Disappointment AND i know some people might be, like, guys
he was a fifth round, pick he's not supposed TO
i understand. That but here is HOW i look at.
IT i don't think they're going to keep four. QUARTERBACKS
i know historically that's been done on the rare. OCCASION
i don't think they're going To that's just the picture
(09:24):
Of gabriel versus Black on the other.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Guys i'm telling.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You maybe it's the scope of the Video i'm talking.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
About it's.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Unbelievable he's just towering over. Him but, no SO i
don't think they're going to keep colin four. QUARTERBACKS i
think they are. Going my guess would Be flaco And
picket are competing to be the, starter and whoever is
not the. Starter of those two, veterans The browns will
try to trade one of them for like a conditional
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seventh to another, team and then they will want to
roster both of their draft picks because you can't put
one of them on practice. Squad team could then just take.
Him So shador's first objective should be CAN i beat
Out Dylan gabriel for the backup quarterback? Job CAN, i
from now Until september first be better Than Dylan?
Speaker 5 (10:14):
GABRIEL i think he.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Can and if you go into this season as The
browns backup, quarterback then you are eventually going to be
The browns starting quarterback Because Canny pickett Or Joe flacco
are absolutely not going to start all seventeen. Games SO
i think your projection about around mid season is a fair.
ONE i think they have around a mid season BY
(10:37):
i don't have it committed to, memory but that's HOW
i remember, it and SO.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I think that's.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Right and if he, doesn't then the draft slide wasn't
just about fame and drama and his dad and all.
That it was the real football measurables that people were concerned.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
ABOUT i gotta throw this at. You I'M i understand
the cash a of coaching The. KNICKS i like the
cash cow Of Cooper. Flag there is no Way i'm
Leaving dallas AND. Ad so my argument is The Jason kid.
RUMORS i wouldn't have Fired, tims but the. Rumors So
Jason kidd gets the best player on either. TEAM ad
(11:19):
twenty four and, eleven elite. Defender all the bigs for
the narrow Yerk knicks have, issues And brunson's got defensive.
Issues and then the trajectory For Derek lively And Cooper.
Flagg the sky is the. Limit If lively was one
of the TOP rim protectors in two, Years he's twenty,
One Cooper flag's eighteen. NINETEEN i know The knicks has
cachet and The east is. Weaker i'm, SORRY i get,
(11:42):
It but If ad comes, Back Gafford, Washington, Cooper, Flag,
LIVELY i. Can't The knicks have a bunch of. Guys
Michale bridges wants more. Money frontson's, Expensive cat's expensive og got,
Paid Josh. Hart it's a roster of. CEILINGS i cannot
Leave lively And flag for that? Roster can you?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Also?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
YES i, can especially IF i think IF i leave
That knicks roster might one day also Have yannis on.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It LIKE I, SO i think you're. So, FIRST i
want to.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Give you credit Because i've been pedaling and Now i've
been giving you credit for, it But i've been pedaling
Your James Dolan's spear take to everyone who's in the
market for.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
It me, Uh AND i know you.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Talked about it again, recently which Is dolan got distracted
by The, spear which is.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
What allowed The knicks to become. Great and then WHAT
i added to.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
That take was all of a, sudden The spears up
and running fully, functional and The knicks or the hottest
show in. Town And James dolan is like the kid
in toy story who got you, know is like Buzz
lightyear was the new. Toy and then he's, like you know,
WHAT i always Loved woody the most, anyway and now he's,
like this is really WHERE i want to. Be fire
the codes bring in. Somebody SO i do think you.
(12:59):
Nailed but WHERE i disagree with you IS i think
that the barrier to entry in The west is so
much higher than in The. East Cooper, flag the fact
that he won't turn nineteen Until december is really good
for the long term projection of what he'll, be but
(13:21):
it's also indicative that he's probably not going to have
a real impact on winning for a few. Years Even,
wimby who was a far better prospect Than Cooper, flag.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
We saw this.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Year in year, two prior to the blood, plot The
spurs still weren't. WINNING i THINK i disagree with you
That Anthony davis is the best player on the two.
TEAMS i Think Jalen brunson at this point is a
more impactful. Player for no other, reason then he's so
much more available Than Anthony. Davis and next year The
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east next year is as wide open of a conference
as any conference we've ever. Seen you then add to
it THAT i think The knicks entire plan here Is Jason,
kidd who Coached, giannis Who yannis.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Liked if we Hire.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Kid does that tip the scales To giannis not only
asking for a, trade but asking for a trade specifically
To New. York so and by the, Way Jason kidd
has always been a guy with a wandering eye as
a player or as a, coach and SO i don't
think he loved The luca. TRADE i think he understands
(14:33):
that right, now forget being a top three team in
The Western conference next, year The Dallas mavericks are likely
not a top three team in the state Of, texas
with The rockets and The spurs ready to do what they.
Are and so IF i Were Jason, KIDD i would
want The. KNICKS i would want the easier path to the.
(14:53):
FINALS i would want far better management than they has
currently In, dallas AND i would want the chance to
go Get.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Jannis SO i think The pacers are a little. OUTMATCHED i,
think you, KNOW i, Mean Oklahoma city's led for ninety
one minutes The pacers, two AND i Think Oklahoma, city
WHO i liked in this Series i'm sure you did as,
well will. Win but it is. INTERESTING i When denver
won the title a couple of years, AGO i was,
like this is The spurs With duncan and then it.
(15:21):
Wasn't and then When tatum and The celtics, Win i'm
like four to. SIX i, mean they could go on,
forever and then it. Didn't is that THAT i look
At Oklahoma city And i'm, like, well they're gonna have to,
Pay Like Jalen williams and Home grin still hot and
cold AND i LOVED. Sga BUT i look at it
AND i think If jannis went To San, antonio what changes?
(15:41):
It If jannis went To. HOUSTON i Think dallas is.
Good next year The lakers could make something. HAPPEN i
don't want to fall for it. Again let's Say Oklahoma
city wins and they went it in. Five what is their?
Trajectory do you? See Because i've fallen for it twice
And i'm like slowed. Down they're not that good or
(16:02):
are they so? Well?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
NO i think they are that. GOOD i also think
that we are not any dynasty. ERA i think that
the aprons and the different things THE nba has put
into kind of prevent super teams has had that effect
where even if you were The celtics and you're, homegrown
and not that they're all, homegrown But tatum And brown,
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were and you make really smart moves and all those.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Things your windows still.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Relatively, short because now even If tatum were, healthy The
celtics would be selling off pieces this.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
OFFSEASON i also think it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Is instructive that if we look at colin the last seven,
champions none of them the following year have made it
past round, two no one's come close to defending their,
Title and of the last six, champions the only one
to make a conference finals at any point post championship
(17:03):
was actually The lakers when they made it a few
years after they won in twenty, twenty when they made
the conference finals in twenty twenty, three last year's champ
got clipped in round. Two the year before champ got
clipped in round. Two the year before that the champ
The warriors missed the, playoffs and the champ the year
before that The bucks got clipped in round. Two we
(17:23):
are not in a dynastic era right, now and SO
i applaud you for not making the mistake that so
many people have ic, making which is the exact same
people who promised me The nuggets were about to reel
off a.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Bunch and as of a month.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Ago one month, ago a lot of people thought we
were in The celtics, era and now today they're, like
turns out it's not The celtics. Era in, fact it's
someone else's. Era it's The thunder. Era that in THE
nba it always feels like the team that just won
is always going to. Win and in large part that's
(18:04):
because for a lot OF nba history that was. True
in this the last, decade that has not been. True
and SO i would not yet pencil in The thunder
for multiple, championships even THOUGH i agree with YOU i
think they are. GOING i don't see a single matchup
That indiana has the advantage in AND i don't think
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a Single pacer can feel good about how they've. Played,
colin did you realize The pacers haven't had a player
score twenty points, yet not one player score Twenty, well
look at.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
At thirty, twenty look AT i, mean if you start
looking at and if you start looking at What Oklahoma
city's defense has, DONE i, mean people forget this because
we don't watch the regular season like the. Postseason they
won by an average of thirteen. Points that is hard
in The. West that's done in The. East that's in The.
West if you look At Oklahoma city's record against The.
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EAST i don't have. It as you, said committed to memory.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Twenty nine and. One there were twenty nine and.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
One, okay NOW i want to show. This and my
take on The browns quarterback is one quarterback's too, old
one's too, small and then.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
One here's the video that does not look like it's two.
PROS i mean that when you See flacco walk over,
there it looks like it's someone who like works for
the brown social media. Team like, AGAIN i understand, that
And i'm not trying to be, unfair AND i Think
Dylan gabriel is a really cool, story BUT i do not.
(19:36):
LIKE i don't, like, like just watch him when he
walks over if they if it, reset if it. REPLAYS
i don't love super SKINNY nba, players AND i don't
like small quarterbacks like that is. CRAZY i, Mean flaco's
a big. Guy he's Not he's Not Brock, osweiler and
SO i don't, know, Man LIKE i just can't imagine
(19:59):
you watched More oregon football than, me BUT i don't
think you were Watching oregon this, year and, like, well
that guy's probably A week FIVE nfl, Starter AND i
Mean flacco does him the courtesy of you, know kind
of squatting down in the picture to not tower over
him in the team. PHOTO i Just shador should be
able to beat him, out And shador should be able
(20:21):
to beat Out Kenny pickett And Joe. Flacco because of his,
age we know he's not going to start the whole.
SEASON i think it is a it will be a
very ominous sign to your point from the beginning If
shador is not the starter at some.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Point. Yeah, NO i watch Eight oregon games a. Year
in my take, was that's a hell of a college.
Player and you see that all the. TIME i see
guys all the. Time i'm, like that is a great college.
Player and then sometime like The Arizona state had that
running Back. Scataboo, Yeah LIKE i looked at him And i'm,
LIKE i remember asking, myself don't fall for. It and
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then the MORE i watched him bounce off, People i'm, Like,
okay that's AN nfl. Player maybe not a first or
second round. Guy he's a, fourth, fifth sixth round. Guy
SO i, Mean, dylan you, Know dave Gabriel at is
like a six round quarterback at.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Best he you know. Who he reminded me of he.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Was now he wasn't as good in college as the
Player i'm about to. Mention and you, know this is
a colleague and a, friend SO i hope this is
not taken as an insult because it's a. Compliment but
he reminded me Of Chase daniel where it's, like, oh,
okay And chase was a great college. Player you, Know
chase was in The heisman race at one, point but
you looked at him and you, said, okay because of his,
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size he. Is his ceiling on the next level is
long term. Backup And, chase to his, credit was a great,
like you, know a professional backup for more than a.
DECADE i THOUGHT i would imagine that's How Dylan gabriel's
even family and agents looked at, it, like, hey you
do everything right and you can be on AN nfl
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roster for a, decade maybe a spot, starter and then you,
know use that as a pipeline to coaching or whatever it.
IS i don't think people were, Like Dylan gabriel is
going to be Our Kyler, murray like he just. Was
he's not that player and so and SO I that's
that's WHAT i. Thought So schdor should should have an.
(22:21):
Opportunity there a real, Opportunity nick.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Right first things, first could see him man see you Com,
yeah you know it's. Funny WHEN i was, young growing
up in the, seventies there was a quarterback out Of
georgia named Fran tarkenton who ran. Around he was a smaller.
Quarterback he was like five eleven six foot. Tall quarterbacks
were just in the seventies and. Eighties they were. Big
there were six two sixty, three six four or six
five and AND i can remember some quarterbacks getting drafted
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big that, Failed dan McGuire six, five six, seven they
didn't all, work Brought. Assweiler BUT i can remember the
first small QUARTERBACK i noticed Was Fran. Tarkin and Then
Russell wilson comes in and has. Success AND i Thought
russell will and got guys Like Johnny manziel. Drafted but
size matters at. Quarterbacks not picking on, anybody it just
it does. Matter and so At Shador, sanders AND i
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made this comment a year, ago is bigger in person
than you. THINK I Sometimes i'll watch video of like
quarterbacks when they're at The combine or they're at like
The Senior, bowl and they're hanging around normal sized people
like you and. Me Shadar sanders is they list them
at six. Two he's a big six to, two you,
know big, shoulders big. Head he's AN NFL i Mean.
(23:33):
Aaron i'll give an example about. That Aaron rodgers is
six one and a. Half Aaron rodgers is my. Height
i've never once thought he was a small. Quarterback he
weighs thirty two pounds to thirty five pounds more than
me were the same. Height AND i don't Think aaron looks,
heavy but big, butt big, shoulders you, know big. Head
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aaron's a pro. Athlete and So mahomes is six one
and a. Half i've never even thought about his. Height
well two is six feet, tall they tell. Me and
that's ALL i can stare. At so a lot Of
bryce young to, me feels. Small so it's nothing against the.
Guy but there there are some, GUYS i Mean Zach.
Wilson to, me they say he's six one and a,
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half six. Two he looks. Small mahomes is six.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
One and a.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Half i've never even thought about his. Height, so you,
KNOW i just think schadere it's kind of pick On
Shadur sanders time in THE. NFL i think he's pretty.
Good we take a.
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It So Jon green has.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Spoke it's, interesting, good a good.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Line we could Use Draymond green in THE nba, finals
a character like. Him, well he's now chiming in on
THE nba finals and that kind of a hot take
That Alex caruso is the third best, player third most
important On Okay. Seers okay see take a.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Listen that's WHEN i look at this okayc, TEAM i
actually think the third most important player Is Alex.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
CARUSO i Think caruso is so important to what they.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Do AND i feel like you never gain plat form,
though because you don't game plan for.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Him he comeing to these finals and he he go
crazy but the reality.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Is he's a, champion so he actually knows what they. Spect,
Yeah crusho has always been a little. UNDERVALUE i think
smart people in the. LEAGUE i think they kind of
stole him From. CHICAGO i think he's a good.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Player, Yeah chicago management needs needs a little Uh jay
AND c. CONSULTING i, mean how do you give Away
Alex caruso for For Josh?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Giddy carusho has.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Been instrumental to look at the numbers here in the,
playoffs it's been. Tremendous remember he Guarded jokichen with The game.
SEVEN i Believe game seven kind of messed With. YOKICH
i will, say as a guy who fashions himself a,
Defender caruso gets away with.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
MURDER i mean he.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Is he's all over guys in their jerseys and somehow
it's really never. Called i'll say this. GUY i do
Believe game three is the. Series If okase, wins it's.
OVER i do, think And i'm writing it up for Five.
SPORTS i think there's a case For indiana Winning game.
Three by the, way it's been over six months since
The pacers have lost back to back eas this is
(26:32):
a this is a great spot for them coming home fired.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Up you, know the crowds could be juiced.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Up is it too early for a?
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Prediction game is?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
YEAH i, MEAN i guess my problem With indiana is
that THEY'VE i, Mean milwaukee couldn't take him out of their.
Pace cleveland, couldn't The knicks. Couldn't they could not mixed
it for about a. Game And Oklahoma city has Taken
halliburton and them out of their rhythm and so and
this is what great defenses. DO i, mean Remember Peyton
(27:04):
manning face The. SEAHAWKS i was saying the other day
that This okase reminds me a little of The, seahawks
where they've got you, know they've got an offensive, star
but that. TEAM i remember When brady was competing and
beat eventually beat The seahawks and The Super, bowl And
brady talked about the game plans to face The seahawks.
Defense he, goes when we catch the, ball you only move.
Forward That belichick, said you don't go sideline to. SIDELINE
(27:27):
a they're faster than, us AND b they'll strip us
of the football create. Turnovers this defense is the kind
of defense that it is taking a, great fast faced
offense out of its. Rhythm Milwaukee Cleveland knicks could not do,
that And oklahoma said he's done it in back to back.
Game that tells me they have personnel.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Advantages, YEAH i think you had the Stat The pacers
have led for like three two or three minutes in
the series so.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Far that's not.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Great not.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Great all, Right let's move to THE nfl colin what
a Eight the Irrelevant raiders have a lot of promises.
Season finally they got old Guy Pete carroll at. Coach
you got you, know Veteran Geno smith and of Course Ashton,
genty so the offense will be.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Better, uh they play in the toughest division of.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Football But Pete carroll Believes vegas is ready to compete right.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Away it's, uh warms my heart to see if they
we're having fun and we're working really hard and guys
are you can tell that they can sense. It there's something,
changing and so a lot of expectations for. Us we're
gonna you, know we're going for. It we're not holding.
Back we're not looking for any give us some grace
period or an that kind of. Stuff that's not that's
not how it's going about. This you don't want to
go get it right, now AND i think the players
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feel that sense of urgency and, there and they're showing
that by the way they.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
PRACTICE i think this one of the single greatest strengths
of THE. Nfl it is The league of. Hope is
that you can watch What denver. Did denver was a lifeless,
Franchise peyton Bow nick's playoff team in The Mahomes, division
in The Harbor, division in The Herbert, division in The
Andy Reid, division and you look at What washington, did
(28:56):
a laughing stock for a. Decade only The jets can't
dig themselves out of a. Hole the reality is this
league is built On houston being awful and a playoff
team in a. YEAR i said this last year About.
Minnesota If minnesota was picked for, FOURTH i, said they'll
be the best fourth place team. Ever The raiders if
they finished, fourth AND i think they will will be
(29:18):
as good a fourth place. TEAM i think it speaks
well to THE. Nfl the teams now at the bottom
of some of these. Divisions The raiders Had kansasity beat
twice last, year and no team in the league has
upgraded their coaching staff more than The. Raiders and you
could argue their quarterback. Position i'm not calling. It if
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it wasn't for the fact that Hardball Andy reid And
Sean payton are in the, DIVISION i would have no
problem saying in any other Division raiders make the. PLAYOFFS
i really think they're.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
CLOSE i think some of that last Year chiefs were
big favorites in both those.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Games is you go, in you're playing The.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Raiders they, stink they don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Their quarterback situations and they kind of let their guard,
down and The raiders play. Tough BUT i did look
at the Schedule colin for the and you can have
all the excitement you want right out of the. Gate
you cross country trips To New england And vrabel he's
gonna have them game, Plan Drake may stepping. Up then
you face The. Chargers it is at, home but The
chargers they're. Better then you've got to go back across
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the country to Face washington And Jaden. Daniels then you're
back home for your Boy caleb And Ben. Johnson then
there's a bit of a respite and that game At
Kansas city before the bye week is. Big if they
can somehow get to the by at is three and
four doable if we give them the wins over The Colton.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Titans, oh first of, all At Drake, may we don't
know What New england. Is we Know. Chargers New england
is a playoffs it's a. Rival, yeah that doesn't mean
they're going to win their. OPENER i mean it's a
whole new, staff it's a whole new. Roster there's no
roster in THE nfl that has more changes than The.
Patriots they're not going to be great In. September The
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chargers is a. Rivalry division. Game washington's a, loss but
we don't know what The bears in And tennessee areh
And Kansas CITY i have as a wild card. Team
then out of the BYE i Get. Jacksonville wait wait,
wait so, yeah All le's. Glee that is a Play
that is not a daunting schedule at. All really, okay all.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Right somebody's A raiders fan around. Here oh my, GOD
i was getting. Worried holy. Cows so do you have
anyone in the division missing the?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Playoffs? Colin, yeah The. Raiders but if you're trying to sell,
me OH i look at, that AND i see At
washington and At philly those are ls every other game
on that. Schedule i'm, sorry but AT cac At denver The,
chargers those are Winnable division.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Games somebody on the internet's going to clip this off
and throw it at you in.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
There two and.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Nine final, Story colin, is let's go to those New
England patriots who you're bullish, on but weirdly not in week,
one it sounds Like Drake may's starting to find his
groove in The josh mcdamiels.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Offense may talk.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
To the media about how things are going so.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
FAR i think it's been. GOOD i Think i'm starting
to kind, of you, know really kind of find a fun,
stride kind of kind of bummed out we're about to,
leave but, no it's funny. Time we're going to get
a great. Defense he got good, players two great. Corners
this year's you, know saying. Approach you got new guys in,
here new, staff kind of got to keep on getting
to know, everybody kind of you, know show my work
ethic and then kind of from there the season comes,
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around try to take a next step of leadership and
leave the offense and hopefully leading the full.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Team, Colin they'll be good.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
EVENTUALLY i would be the Biggest Drake may fan if
he were on any team other Than New.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
England you, KNOW i hate The patriots And.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
May i'm just telling.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
You remember after the, DRAFT i was, like, Listen Drake,
MAY i would take him Over jay M Jane. Daniels
and that looks stupid for a. Minute Then may comes
on and is, like.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Oh he's kind of.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Good would not shock me If, may like you, said
got The patriots to the.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Playoffs he's very.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Good.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Man you know this guy's, family you know In North.
Carolina he has a brother who played. Hoops, like this
guy is a football.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Lifer his comp With Justin HERBERT i thought was a
really accurate. Comp he's a good. PLAYER i think he's
gonna be really. GOOD i really. DO i think THE
nfl last year we made that draft that Had Drake
may And jaden And caleb And Bo nix And Michael,
pennix that IF jj McCarthy works to some, level we
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could have a six for six draft with. Quarterbacks, Pennix
pennix is working Three panic's gonna be. Fun but jmckle the, News,
well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by the
Herd line. News oh, interesting there's Some Chdure sanders impressive
practice video making the, rounds and we'll show you that.
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about this BECAUSE i keep being told every time The
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then it's The Gold. CUP i think it's going to
be fascinating Apparently christian Pooh lissic's on load, management so
he's not. Playing we'll, see. Okay, so according To Mary Ka,
cabot WHO i trust covers The Cleveland, Browns Dylan gabriel
got the first set of. Eleven on eleven's working with
the first team, offense first team. Defense Shadoor sanders work
(35:52):
with a second team offense and against the second team.
Defense so we have a piece of video From Schadre.
Sanders let's roll the tape on. THIS i am told
it looks a little Like Johnny unitas Meets Joe. Montanna
look at that deep, ball my, lord in a heavy gusty,
wind it pierces The ohio. Weather here's another one over the.
(36:16):
Middle you, know you know What i'm Sending Dylan gabriel.
Video you're just seeing lots of. Chedeur look at that
second team scrub wide receiver barely gets open and he
places that cookie right in the. Jar J mag what
do you gotta say for? Yourself i'm just, saying you,
KNOW i had to look up that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Cornerback it turns out he works At chipotle and he's
trying to make The. Browns so that's Who Shador sanders is,
okay secondary time?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Out are these? Now my staff just sent these? Numbers
are those? Todays? Stop, okay listen to. This, okay listen to.
This SO i Take flacco? Out he, didn't he didn't.
Play Dylan gabriel went seven of. Eighteen Kenny pickett went
six of, ten which sums up his career. Six Shader
(37:06):
sanders ten of, twelve two, touchdowns no. Picks he keeps
putting these numbers up AT ota and mandatory. Camp i'm,
sorry but he's exactly what he was in. College. Accurate
Shaduor sanders ten of, twelve two. Touchdowns, now last week
when he was, good it was, like well It's OTA's
i get, IT i get. It but he was. Accurate
(37:26):
so here The browns quarterbacks mini camp. Today who's got
the best numbers, Again Chadueur. Sanders you need the.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Context The chaduur is playing against backups and second, stringers
And Dylan.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Gabriel's with the.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Ones, AKAY i just need to remind PEOPLE i was
Pro chaudor before the, draft and then THE nfl basically
rejected him all of THE nfl and he fell to
the fifth.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Round and because of.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
That that's Why i'm, LIKE i don't.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Think he's a.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
STARTER i don't Dislike Schadour, colin but you have to
admit the ENTIRE nfl passed on him for a.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Reason, okay, well the ENTIRE nfl first round passed On Jalen.
Hurts they make, mistakes there are guys that have been.
DRAFTED i, MEAN i wouldn't get too caught up on
will they make. Mistakes there was his Dad's Super bowl
tour saying we're not playing for these, teams directed right
at the teams that we're gonna draft him and owners
(38:18):
in THE. Nfl it's an old boys. Club they don't
want to hear that you don't want to play for their.
Team so there were people that just, SAID i mean
when When Dion sanders During Super Bowl week went on
very popular shows and the message was there are teams
he will not play. For he wasn't talking about The,
Bills ravens And chiefs And. Eagles he was talking about
The saints and The giants and the owners that would draft.
(38:42):
Him that's why did you notice this after The Super
bowl When, dion you, know had his sort of parade
through talk. Shows did you notice after That Super Bowl
Week media, week The jackson dart is the apple of
The New York's giants eye. Started why they're like because
probably ownership said we're not, interested we're not taking. Him
(39:05):
and also there's the report that he. Went you, Know
shador went to The giants wasn't great on the. Board
so my take, IS i think it got. PERSONAL i
think his dad was. INVOLVED i think there was a
lot of stuff With shadur that turned people off and
owners started getting involved in decision. Making All i'm saying,
is if you look at These ota And mini camp,
(39:28):
Numbers Dylan gabriel's, Inaccurate Kenny pickett Is Kenny. Pickett flacco's
not doing much because it's his job to, lose And
Shador sanders continues to have the best. Numbers Here's Albert
breer on The browns quarterback.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
Race it's really hard when you look at the early
part of their, schedule unless they're a lot better than
they were last, year for them to be coming out
of that in a real position of. Strength and SO
i do Think Joe flacco is likely going to be
The week one. Starter Joe flacker has been great in the,
Building he's been great for that quarterback. Room he's been
(40:03):
great for the young. QUARTERBACKS i think you'll Hear chaduor
And Dylan gabriel talk about him that way when the
media talks to them this. Week SO i Think joe's
gonna get a. Shot AND i, think you, know If
joe looks good In july And, august you, know then
you'll see the team behind. Him and then you get
in The, september and his ability to hold onto that
(40:24):
job won't just be about his own, Play it'll be
about where the team.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Is The browns probably fairly have the weakest receiving core
in the. League So shador's working with their second team.
Receivers their first team receivers are the weakest unit in the.
LEAGUE i, MEAN i don't think that's taken a. Shot
it's a it's a bad receiving. Unit shador is getting
the second he's getting the, leftovers and he goes ten for.
(40:50):
Twelve all, Right SO i have a comp for, You.
Colin are you?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Ready it was a gentleman Named Lonzo ball who was
an acclaimed college basketball player for a, minute then he
goes to the. Draft his dad was piping. Up do
you REMEMBER i had to look this. Up In Summer
league with The, Lakers Lonzo ball had a game where
he had thirty, six eleven and eight against The. Sixers,
oh he's the future of THE. Nba lonzo bal is
gonna crush. It and he came out and was, like you,
(41:16):
know squashed like a bug as a, rookie and.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
He clearly could not.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
PLAY i wonder if there's a parallel with THIS ota
nonsense Where saedor's cooking And Lonzo.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Ball In SUMMER k.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
All time most accurate college quarterback Was Shador sanders with
a seventy four percent completion. Rate chador's total stats FROM
OTAs in today's mini camp twenty six of thirty, five
seventy four percent completion, rate eight, touchdowns one. Pick he
is exactly as a PRO otn mini caamp what he
(41:50):
was the college player twenty six of thirty, five eight,
touchdowns one. Pick and it's not getting reps with the first. Team.
Okay All i'm saying, is you can keep telling me.
SOMETHING i keep getting this video with these lasers piercing
the air In, ohio that muggy difficult air to throw
(42:11):
in The ALL i see is it's like watching the
Movie Star wars just, lasers
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