March 19, 2025 • 43 mins
AJ Pierzynski joins The Herd to talk about how dominate the Dodgers are looking, the greatness of Shohei Ohtani, the rest of the National league, and more
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
All right, welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
In hour two. It is Wednesday. Jay McK and I
are off tomorrow and Friday. We're gonna let everybody watch
the NCAA Tournament games. March madness, a lot of fun.
We are going bracket for bracket. He's got duke flying through.
Keep your eye, I say on Rick Patino and more
experienced teams. The SEC was, however, unbelievable this year and
fourteen teams in. I have Tennessee and Auburn getting in.
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Not that anybody cares. You're going with traditional duke, which
is very young. Remember we've seen these great young duke
teams with young star players and don't win the tournament.
Keep doubting my main Cooper, Flash, he's good.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
We've got tonight Xavier or Texas. That's gonna be a
good game. Texas, Okay, I got Xavier. We'll go ahead
to head again because we love going toe to toe.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So I will say this before I get to our
guest want to start to the baseball season for the
Dodgers and show Hey. I'll get to that in a
couple of minutes. But I saw a story this morning,
and the New York Giants don't land Aaron Rodgers, then
what well, then nothing They'll be drafting at the top
of next year's draft. Two, is something is happening in
the NFL. I do not think it's a good thing.
It feels very much like the NBA, and I don't
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think it's a good thing. Is that because the league
is so quarterback reliant, the rules are now all to
protect the quarterback that if you don't have a great one,
you're not viable, Like by mid October, you're unwatchable. Last
year we had ten teams that's a third of the league.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
This is very NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Ten teams with five or fewer wins last year, that's
tied for the most since they expanded to sixteen plus games.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So, and we talked about this last year.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Is I found myself by by mid to late October
last year ever seven or eight teams. I would have rather,
you know, called a friend than have watched them.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You gave me.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You gave me Tennessee and Carolina last year. Not interested.
So and I don't remember ever being a year like that.
So we are a month away from the draft. I
could tell you right now who's gonna be at the
top of the following draft. It's gonna be the Giants
and the Jets. It's gonna be New Orleans, it's gonna
be Cleveland, keep your ayon Jacksonville. So I don't think
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it's a great thing. That's why I say I root
for Shador Sanders and cam Ward and Jalen Milroe and
uh I root for all these kids to hit. First
of all, it's it's you know, you don't want to
root against people in life. I want all these young
quarterbacks to hit because the quality of the game is better.
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Just it's more fun to watch great teams. Cubs are
a good team, Dodgers are a great team. That's why
I set my alarm for three forty five in the morning.
And with that, Aj Perzinski, nineteen years in Major League baseball,
Fox Baseball Analyst is joining us.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Listen, you know, It's funny. I said this last year.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
There you go, before you get started. Wait, you picked
the wrong team, Colin. You've not the wrong team in
that bracket.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That's what I hear. That's what I hear.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You know, I noticed this in the World Series last
year when Garrett Cole wasn't pitching for the Yankees. AJ
the Dodgers looked so much better and deeper and more athletic.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
The Cubs are.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
A good team, but I mean, we don't have bets planned,
we don't have Freddy plan.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We don't have show Hay pitching.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
When you're calling these games, I mean even the relievers
for the Dodgers. These are big men one hundred mile
an hour. Does it feel like when you're watching it
as a former nineteen year veteran, we're just watching an
all time great Dodger lineup?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
It could be it could be. Listen, forget the lineup.
Let's talk about their pitching staff. We saw their three
and four pitch in Sazaki and Yamamoto would be one
and two on any other team. We didn't see smelling glass.
Now we forgot about them. They were on vacation in
Tokyo for the last week, right I mean, we saw
basically their threes and fours with the stuff they had,
and they went out and got Tanner Scott, the best
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reliever on the market, Kirby As who was unbelievable All
Star last year for Texas. And they still have Blake
Trying and Evan Phillips, Michael Kopek, Vesia Bonda, all these
guys that helped them win a World Series last year.
This team is ridiculously loaded. They have the deepest team
in baseball. I don't want to hear about, oh, the
Yankee system. The Cubs are a good team, They're not
a great team. They're flawed. They have some holes that
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were exposed. Their bullpen, their back end is what the
Dodgers do. But this is what Dodgers do to everybody.
They pitch count them. They wear you down until they
get into your bullpen and you make a mistake and
they score runs. Yes, Freddie and Mookie weren't there, but
there's lineup is still ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, no, that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
They wear you down, they get to your bullpen and
then you throw up a middle reliever against you know
that lineup in your toast. We saw that in Game one,
so oh here, listen. We know Otani's great. That goes
without saying. I think an underrated part of him is
his speed, you know, I mean, I mean the guy
is there's a lot of guys you played with, guys
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that could run. It doesn't mean they were great base dealers.
There's an art to it, and that aj that tells
me that beyond being talented, he's a grinder. He's watching film.
I mean, that's what impresses me. Beyond just that all
you guys are great talent. What blows you away with OTAWNI?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Well, first of all, size. I don't think people realize
how big show he is until you stand next to him.
I'm six four two fifty and he's way larger than
I am in person. That's what I think people don't realize.
And then it's like five steps out the steps. I
know it's like more than five, but it seems like
he takes five steps and he's a second base sliding.
His speed is because he's quick, he's big, and it
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takes him less steps than the average human to get there.
But he also gets great jumps and no forget David
Roberts as his manager. Dave Roberts stole a pretty large
bag in his day against the Yankees in a two
thousand and four playoff game where they went on to
win the World Series. So Dave Roberts knows what he's doing.
This coaching staff knows how to maximize everything he does,
and he's just an unbelievable talent something that we'll probably
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I don't know if we'll ever see what he can
do again.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You know, I was thinking about this, you know, you
look at the I mean because since the Dodgers started,
they got new ownership, they got a lot of money.
But in that time, the Nationals, the Royals have won
a World Series. So it's very possible. Like this doesn't
guarantee anything in baseball. There's injuries. If there's anything about
the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
That would worry me. And this is for all athletes.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
All athletes now make so much money, social media, salary, shoes, whatever,
and that can sometimes you know, grow some ego. Is
that the I look at the Dodgers starting staff and
there are guys that would get twenty five starts for
every other team they may get seventeen. And there's also
guys that could bat third on team that made bat
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sixth do you worry a little bit about having to
kind of Dave Roberts kind of walk on eggshells a
little bit on a nightly basis with the order and
the staff.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
No. I was in their camp last week, and they
are the most selfless team I've ever been around. I
played with Freddie, I played with MOOKI, I played with
a lot of these some of these guys, not a
lot of them, but I played with them the superstars,
and they just want to win. That's the biggest thing.
You talk to Maximunsy, you talk to Freddie, you talk
to Moki, you talk to Will Smith, you talk to
these guys. All they want to do is win. Taoscar
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Hernandez is all about winning. He came back to the
Dodgers again, took less money because he wants to win.
The starters they just want to be ready for October.
Whether it's Blake Snow, whether it's Tyler Glassnell, whether whoever
it is, Yamamoto Sazaki, they just want to be ready
for the postseason because they want to do what we're
showing right now, which is jump up and down and
celebrate another World Series. Can another team win it? Absolutely? Listen.
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Their division Arizona is a really good team. I don't
think people talk about them enough. And they're the last
team to beat the Dodgers in the postseason. Yea, the
Phillies are really good. The Mets reloaded right that Braves.
If they have Strider and Sale, that's a pretty good
one two punch. You can shut down anybody. The National League,
I believe, is way better than the American League, as
we saw last year. If you get through the National
League postseason, you have a great shot to win the
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World Series if you can get through it well.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Adam Wainwright brought up this point yesterday, and I thought
it was a good one.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
He said.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Listen, if I was Soto, I would have just stayed
on the American League side. Yes, what's the point of
going facing the Braves and the Dodgers?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And I listen, I'm never going to tell an athlete
to take less.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Were you surprised that he goes to the much tougher
it's like going, it's like choosing trying to get out
of the SEC compared to the Big twelve.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Were you surprised by it?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Because they gave it well, he said, they didn't give
him the most money but it seemed like it's where
he wanted to go. Even last year heard Aaron Judge said, oh,
he ended up where he wanted to. Well, guess what,
He's where he wants to be. And now he can
kind of form a new legacy because the Yankees have
their players, they have their guys that are setting situations.
They Aaron Judges the captain. Well, now he goes to
New York, the other side of town, into the Mets
in city Field, and he can be the guy. He
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can be the man. Yes, Lindor's there, Yes, Alonso's there,
but Wantserto was there for fifteen years and seven hundred
and sixty five million dollars. So he's gonna have to
be the man. And that's what he wanted and now
he gets to prove it. Will he We'll see, But boy,
I would like to have seven hundred and sixty fillion,
five million reasons. Why.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, Aj Persinski, he is like a good dad. He's
leaving our show in two minutes to go watch his kid.
You're coaching him, is what you told me?
Speaker 5 (09:32):
No, no, gosh, no, I used to coach. I had
to quit because listen, Colin has a dad and a coach.
It doesn't work very well because sometimes I love my
kid to death, but we just we disagree a little
bit on certain things and understandable. It's been a much
better relationship since I walked away.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Hey Man, we always appreciate you having you on the show.
It's going to be a great year of baseball. I've
been getting up in the morning and they've been wildly entertaining.
I appreciate you stopping by.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
No problem. And by the way, go Gators.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
There you go, Gainesville's best. Gogetor Aj Prazinski Fox Sports. Yeah,
those games are entertaining. It is crazy, though, that you
have I was.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Reading this today.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
There are four starters for the Dodgers that could be
aces on about half the teams in baseball, three MVP
caliber players.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Like we're watching history.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
How about that when that show, Hey came out of
the outfield and the cameras on that stuff. Every time
I watched that Tokyo Dome, it looks like the stadium
I went to as a kid, which was the Kingdome,
so I I can literally see it in my head.
A guy named Bill Leisure picked me up at my house.
We got lost on the way there. We showed up
and the game was starting in like ten minutes. It
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was the first game ever at the Kingdome, and I
sat in right field and Joe Rudy hit a home
run basically in my seat in the left field for
the Angels. But what was remarkable about this all the
pressure on Otani and he was both games money.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
The only guy I can think of you with your
greatest athlete ever ran earlier is like the Bo Jackson,
Deon Sanders, guys who played two sports. Like Michael Jordan
traded Pride baseball. He just couldn't do it. Otani's doing
pitching hitting. Deon Sanders did football baseball. Bo Jackson, you
know both. I think Otani's in that class, like he's
that dominant man.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Well again, Babe Ruth was a power pitcher and a
power hitter. Otani can hit for average and Otani will
steal fifty base.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
How many steals from Babe Ruth in his career?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Now, it's I mean, I know I'm talking a lot
about baseball and a colony.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well, why baseball? You were watching history.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
We are watching a team when you're as deep as
the Dodgers, you know, and you you can just rest guys,
guy has a little tweak in his shoulder. We'll see
in three weeks.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That's what do you.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Feel more confident about the Dodgers in the World Series
or the Lakers in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
No Dodgers in the World Series. The Lakers have something
though now. And I never said Lebron didn't tweak is
growing against Boston. He did, but it was very clear.
I'm going back to La like I think.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Son winn to stay championship.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
This is understandable.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, Lebron knows his body. But what the Lakers have
and that's why it was encouraging last night how the
Warriors won is the Lakers now have three elite initiators
of offense. And what you're seeing now, Lucas said it
last night, like you guys are not paying attention to
Austin Reeves. This guy's dropping thirty in the NBA. So
you know, maybe I was a little hard on him.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Yeah, coming around, not all Austin Reeves.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Maybe you can get him on the show.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You know.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
The thing he's emerging as like a kind of alt
He's got a cult following in.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
La out here. I'll be serious.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Well, He's a love Austines.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's never been a question whether he can initiate offense
and be a score. I mean, I've said, if he's
your fourth best player, like Derek White is the Celtics'
fourth best player, that's a championship team. I think Austin's
they're clearly their third Rui's therefore, but what you're seeing
now is it really freeze up Luca and Lebron to
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take a night offson, take a possession off Austin gives them.
And you know this is these Lebron's got a lot
of wear on those tires. And for Lebron to know
I can hit the bench, and we stopped Luca and
Austin initiating offense. You don't think about this so much
of this league. This is why Jimmy Butler's so valuable.
It's getting to the free throw line. Yanna sketch there
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but can't hit the free throws. Austin can so much.
A playoff basketball is getting the whistle, getting the line,
getting people in foul trouble.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Austin, Luke, and Lebron are all great at that.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
It's a tough comp for Austin. Reeves like historically like
who is he?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Like, I mean, I keep.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Coming back to Larry Bird, but that might be a
little rich for Austin Reeves. It's tough. Like he's six seven,
great handle, gets to the line.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Like you said, he's not an amazing defender, but he's
a good defender.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
He's solid.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I don't think, just don't know what his comp is.
I you know, I don't know what his comp is.
I'm not off the top of my head, but I
know this. He is good with contact. Winning player, you know,
the winning player. And you know there's the old saying
about they'll talk about wide receivers and Kwan Bolden was
the first receiver people talked about this. He could catch
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in traffic, you know, just and Kwan was just like
box you out if you threw the ball up to
a Kwan Bolden, he just catches the ball.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
De Hop does some of this. They can just.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Catch a Pooka's got some of this. And that's Austin Reeves.
He's very good in conflict. He's very good when he's hit.
A lot of guys hit the shot discomb Sga is
very good at this, can get a really quality shot
off balance after contact that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I'll never forget.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
He was in the NCAA tournament in Oklahoma and they
played a loaded Gonzaga team and you can look it
up on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
He was the best player on the court.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
And that Gonzaga team was stacked and Austin Reeves went
for like twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Nobody could guard.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Him, and I was like, that guy's that's a first
round pick. He's really good. And since that Austin, what
a fine by Roba Link and the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Man he is.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
He's a joy to watch well. Rob take swings. The
Westbrook thing didn't work. Luca thing obviously did. But I
mean it's unlike the Cowboy because I've said the Lakers
and the Cowboys can be a bit insular. They can
be a bit like family business. The differences. The Cowboys
haven't drafted very well outside of their first pick. The
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Lakers have found some guys. They've done a pretty good
job on trades. Again, the Westbrook thing was a swing.
It didn't work.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Oh a lot of that was on Lebron.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Let's be real. Lebron pushed for Westbrook. We get that.
You know you're not gonna.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Bat a thousand picking up free agents.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
I mean he hit on Kevin Love, you know, like
he's done a really good job.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Some did that didn't work out, but they're.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
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Speaker 1 (15:56):
Jalen Milroe, I think that's the fastest forty time ever
for a quarter I'm just you know, throwing that out there.
Four three seven at the Alabama Pro Day. And but
you and I got into this discussion. One of the
things I didn't like about will Levis was he was ripped.
Brady Quinn came out, he was jacked. I want fluidity
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with my quarterback. Tom Brady talks about this plia metrics.
I don't want. I want some pudding. You're gonna get hit.
I don't want some guy that's on the internet showing
me as abs. That's not what quarterback is four.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
To three seven. Isn't that mobile and pliable?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Like you?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That fast?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
That's fast. So you're putting Moro in the Will Levis territory.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
No, No, well a little bit where like athlete gun show,
big arm, wildly inconsistent, like like Kleen de bor is
a good offensive coach, like they were really frustrated. Alabama's
got really good old lines and wide receivers and tight ends.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Look at the traps on this guy, come on denying it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But quarterback again, I'm not saying that he can't play
some but Anthony Richardson blew everybody away. Will Levis blew
everybody away. Let's go to the best body the last
ten years at quarterback. Did Peyton Manning have one? Did
Mahomes have one? Did Josh Allen have one? Did Lamar?
Lamar came into the league, he was so skinny, and
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so you know, I'm not saying it. I'm just saying
it's a quality that it doesn't matter. I am looking
for fluidity, movement.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
That looked fluid in the pocket there Colin No.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I watched him play ten times. He gets he's mechanical.
Now again Jayden Daniels, by the way, fluid thin. I mean,
Caleb Williams is strong, he's not rich.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You know, you said Lamar Jackson and it just clicked.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
That's probably his comp coming out, not Kurt Lamar because
remember coming out, Lamar fell to the end of the
first round. He didn't go until the I think the
Ravens had to trade into the back of the first
round get him. That's probably the best comp for Milroe.
Then the question is Colin, do you build an offense
around his skill set? And that's what Baltimore did. They said, Hey,
we're going to run the pistol.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, but look, Lamar worked. Lamar is one of the greatest.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Now he is.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
He wasn't coming out well. He was.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
He started week eleven his rookie year. He was excellent
day one. By year two he was better in the pocket.
By year three, he was great in the begin Why
couldn't Milroe be that with the right offensive because Lamar
was never mechanical. Will Levis is mechanical. Jalen's mechanical. It
doesn't look in fact, one of my knocks on bow
Knicks is that he's so jacked up. I wish bow
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was a little more fluid. He When I seen bow
Knicks up close on the sideline in Oregon, when you
can see the gun show like he's ripped, and I think,
what may you know? They always talk about with cornerbacks
you need hips. It's all about the hips. I just
think being ripped. I would take much less of that.
I remember when Brady Quinn came out. I mean, Brady
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is still, you know, kind of a jacked up guy.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
But he wasn't. It wasn't real fluid and pliable.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Interesting you go way to Lamar last two years in college,
had almost sixty touchdown passes with Louisville Talent.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Milroe had thirty nine with Bama Town.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Wait a minute, the Milroe, they had the change of coaches.
Save into your guy, a couple of stiffs, and you're
in the SEC as opposed to the ACC. Let's drill
down on those numbers and see who Lamar was torching that.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
George Lamarrow wasn't playing with five star players and Lamar
almost averaged thirty touchdown passes a year.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Andy was unbelievable running.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Do we have Lamar's forty times at the combine or play?
I don't remember. I bet you it's similar to this.
I bet you it's in the four. Well.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Steve Kaime, who was an NFL GM for ten years,
is now the GM of Clutch Sports Football. A couple
of weeks ago, he likes Milroe a lot. Here's what
he sees.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
I haven't seen many guys that can throw the football
like him that have that kind of speed and explosive
for a quarterback. At two hundred and twenty five pounds,
he's probably a sub four to four guy. He's a
tremendous runner with the football in his hands, and he's
got the size and explosiveness. It's rare and off the charts.
I think he's going to be a guy that under
the right tutelage and the right coaching, I think he's
going to develop into a great.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Pro Okay, So again, that's my team. He needs the fit.
He's not a natural. He's a great athlete and a
great kid, great parent, like everybody loves him. But I
watched him play a ton and I think BAMA fan
would tell you this, it doesn't look natural. It's just
not Yeah, OK, it's kind of It's like I always
say with Will Levis, even now Will Levis, it just
looks clunky.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
So a couple things. So Breer said the Pittsburgh Steelers
would be a fit, and I totally disagree. You and
I are on the same way. You're my guy, but
that's not I don't believe that all regarding fit. Remember
Patrick Mahomes came out of like the air raid system,
the Big twelve, no defense. I'm just curious what the
world looks like if he doesn't get Andy Reid as
his head coach, well and he goes to you know, Tennessee,
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Jackson whatever without it like a offensive mind.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Remember there's about there's there's a half a dozen gms
in the league that thought Mahomes was the next Farve
like it was a They kept him quiet and he
fell to what eleven? Yeah, so I don't this is
not the same situation. I know everybody I talked to
in the league, and I've asked everybody, they're like, the
first thing they say, great kid, unbelievable athlete. I'm not sure,
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And so it's different. By the way, now these are
unofficial times. Michael Vick ran a four to three to three,
Lamara four three four, Jayalen a four to three. Steps
Now Jalen is more ripped than Michael or Lamar.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Oh, I mean he.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Is, he is.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And again there's so many things to like. But Callen
de Boer had Michael Pennix uh and I mean just
I mean it was so consistent. Every Saturday was beautiful.
I mean he struggled. I mean I remember that Bandy game,
like there were halfs that they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Move the ball.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Wasn't Pennix like the fifth year guy. He was like
twenty three, twenty four years old. Mil Roe was a
little younger than that. He's sat for letting.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
He's super mature. He's supposed to be a super mature.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Based on this discussion. I'm planting my flag. I'm a
Jayla mill Rover goes to the right spot.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I want him to succeed. I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I would love to see you know, I would love
to see a team.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
If he goes to the Cowboys, forget it, it's over.
It's not happening. His career is it's dead on arrival.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
If he goes to the Brown second round, early, Giant,
second round early, that's those are home runs. Daveles to
is not going top five or six. No, no, I
said second round, the second round. I don't know that
they do it. But would Minnesota draft another quarterback second round?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Kevin O'Connell, like you could be McVeigh or Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
This guy's going to the moon.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Seriously, I can't figure out. I can't figure the.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Rams in the market for a drafting a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
They have to be right.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Stafford's got one or two years left.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I think when you get to like the twentieth pick
on you just take the best player available because that's
no man's land. You kind of have second round picks.
So when I've talked to the Rams, it's like, hey man,
when you get when you're a really good team like
Kansas City Philadelphia every year, but the time you if
you know, like the Rams thought about moving up for
Brock Powers and they couldn't get there, right, But if
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the bad team's mostly dropping the top fourteen, and that's
where the really the getting's good. When you're in the
first round. There's a couple of wide receivers. There's Loveling,
the tight end from Michigan. If he fell to twenty three,
you just take him. Milro is one of those guys.
If he's there at twenty three or twenty four, Andy
Reid maybe, like you know, I'm just gonna take him
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because you know, there's also Josh Connery's an offensive tackle
for Oregon.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Young, really good.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
If he's available at twenty five, I think you just
have to take him, although he may be a year
away from starting in the NFL. So you just don't
get too clever late first. You just take what's available,
whatever need forget need, just take the best player available.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
J Mackle a news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
All right, let's start in the Pacific Northwest with the
Seahawks and your guy, Cooper Cupp had his introductory press
conference yesterday. I know you're disappointed to know he's wearing
a hat backwards. Yeah, he's wearing flannel Pearl Jam a
little nod to the Pacific Northwest there. Perhaps it's a
bit of a homecoming for Cup played college football at
Eastern Washington. That factored into his decision to join the Seahawks.
(24:29):
I really do like the Pearl Jam t shirt. Here
he is talking about playing against the Rams twice a
year next season.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
I am looking forward to and that wasn't playing into
the decision to come here. But it's a nice little
thing on the side to be able to go against
those guys and know a lot of those guys so
much respect for the coaching staff, the way they handle
things down there, the players down there. I am excited
about though. It's gonna be a it's gonna be a
really cool thing. And you know, at theh when that
time comes, you know it will be it'll just be
(24:58):
football at that point, you know. But but I am
looking forward to him.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I would be very happy if I was Cooper Cup,
his family and his agent, because I thought there were
a couple of players I thought were overpaid. Milton Williams
for New England got about twice what I think I
would be comfortable paying. Cooper Cup got a really good
deal for somebody that no longer separated.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Locker room leader.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Nice guy.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
I think he could slide right into the slot you
move JSN outside. I think he's got the fast feet.
He gets to eat right, you know, Sophie, don't eat.
You love that last week, so I'm sorry to bring it back.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I'm a Cup guy.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
You know, he's a character guy. He went to Eastern
Washington University. That place produces Karen.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
All right, let's move on Eastern Washington.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Isn't that the smurfh turf or whatever?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Anyways, Let's go to the next way.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Oh Man This was a heartbreaker for Saint Francis.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
My guys, Alabama State through a literal hail Mary pass
bing bang boom right into the guy's bread basket.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Me lays it in with one second left.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Alabama State gets to win heartbreak city for Saint Francis
and the Hornets. They advanced to face number one seed
Alabama tomorrow where they are.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Probably like a thirty point underdog. Did you watch any
of that game?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
But and I didn't watch the North Carolina game. I
just kept checking my phone as I was watching something
else and laughing that North Carolina was leading by forty.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
How'd they get in the door to it?
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Do?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Rageous?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
They lead by forty, They had like fourteen threes. Final
story and I want to give this some room to breathe.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
It's your boy. Joe Klatt has a new mock draft.
Oh I'm not gonna say anything. I'm just going to
tee you up because I already have thoughts. I don't
want to impact yours. He has Cam Wore going one
like everybody, he has Travis Hunter going two to the Browns,
followed by Shador to the Giants, Abdul Carter, Will Johnson
rising up his charts in Michigan corner, Mason Graham, Will
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Campbell the offensive tackle to my Jets. I disagree, Jalen Walker,
a couple of Georgia guys, and then Banks to Chicago
another offensive lineman for the Bears.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Let's drill down on two. What do you got?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, I mean Travis Hunter is a great athlete, so
I'm not gonna say bad pick. I mean, I think
Travis Hunter will be the most dynamic player in the draft. Okay,
And I also think Kevin Stefanski is an excellent coach,
so he'll figure out a way to use him.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
So I don't think that's bad at all.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I mean, I I mean, it's not a good enough
draft to argue like, I love Mason Graham and Will
Johnson from Michigan, I would have no problem. The guy
that's sliding is that wide receiver team Ac from Arizona.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
He is a live mistake. But whatever, you and I
both like him.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Yeah, where's Tyler Warren?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Anyways?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
You have said and I know some of your takes
out because I've been on the show what two and
a half years.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I don't even know time flies when you're having fun.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah, you said wide receivers are accessories. On what planet
do you take an accessory ahead of a quarterback when
you don't have one?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, I think generationally, as Urban Meyer said, Travis Hunter
is so unique. He has an ability that Urban touched
on that you don't see much. So when Michael Jordan
was in his prime, Michael would go play thirty six
holes of golf, come back, go to the arena and
drop forty five. And we've all had a friend like
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this in our life that they're just built different, like
just genetically, they've got more energy. Travis Hunter literally can
play eighty snaps and on the eightieth one he has
snap seven energy. That's what Urban said. Like he is
literally blocking downfield on the seventy third snap of a game.
He's such a unique all time athlete.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
In a week.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Draft, maybe if it's a great draft, he's eight twelve.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
But you're Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
The idea that he could be a number two corner
and you're number one receiver with an clever offensive coach,
I'm here for it.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
So you're okay with taking Travis Hunter a receiver over
a quarterback when you don't have one.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Well, they do have booth Deshaun Watson. Whyett, he's not
their quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
They're done with this guy.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
They don't want him. Well, he's off his Achilles twice.
Isn't he on the roster.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
He's technically on the roster, but they don't want him.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
They don't like him.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
He's the major reason that everybody in the organization is depressed.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
He's gonna cost Afanski his job.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
If he's your starting quarterback.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
No, I think, Stefanski said, I think next year's the
quarterback class. And my take is you can get that
quarterback in the second round, young man out of Syracuse,
Kyle McCord with the Kyle McCord, Kyle McCord second round.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Don't be shocked if he's not mean.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Girls the movie where that one girl's trying to make
fetch happen and he stopped.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Stop trying to make fetch happen. Stop trying to make.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Kyle McCord happen.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I know you like him, and you have guys telling
you stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Hey, let's stop doing my own homework on this. He's
breaking down fall.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Joe Rogan do my own research guy on quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
By the way, at some point and people have asked
me this on the staff what are you going to
say to Colin next year? We keep hearing about all
these quarterbacks. Who is it beside corks.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Manning who we don't even know at Penn State's very good.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
You're going to roll the.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Not dating tape of Penn State quarterback. I know he's
got some choice toolsy.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
We always say this, next year's corps.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Next year. Hey, next year I'll get around of cleaning
the garage college. So I tell my wife all the time.
Jamack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Here was Albert Breer came on about fifteen minutes ago
on the decision. Now the Vikings have said to Aaron Rodgers,
no thanks. Now it's down to the Steelers. It's down
to the Giants. And here's Albert Breer.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
The Giants are sort of analogous to what the Jets
were when he went there two years ago, where you've
got a promising young core and you're asking Aaron Rodgers
to come in and lift all those guys out up right,
So Milik Neighbors, Andrew.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Thomas, you know, Dexter, Lawrence kevon Thibodeau.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Brian Burns.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
They're asking him to come in and take a franchise
that's been down for a while and lift it up,
Whereas with the Steelers it's different.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
He's jumping on a moving train.
Speaker 9 (31:15):
He'd be kind of syncing up with some more of
his peers, and it'd be a different deal in Pittsburgh
where he's more the final piece than somebody who's gonna
left all votes.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, that's what it has been reduced to.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
All this stuff is fun these Klatt comes out with
his h you know, I will say this is that.
You know, there's been a lot of talk about, oh,
the NBA's ratings, nobody likes it. The ratings for the
NBA are on par with last year, and I think
the playoffs will beat last year's playoff numbers significantly because
Steph's going to be it, Lebron's going to be it,
(31:48):
and the Lakers and Warriors have a chance to get
to the NBA Finals. I think the Lakers chance is
better than the Warriors, but they both have a chance.
But right now, what's interesting is basketball as a whole.
Women's Basketball's up, wa is up, Men's March Madness is up.
These conference championships are up. We love basketball in this country.
We love basketball. We don't always love this load management nonsense,
(32:10):
which I think Adam Silver. The one thing the late
David Stern attacked very quickly was load management when the
Spurs started doing it. I think Adam has been a
little too easy on players. I would levy heavy fines.
Even Magic Johnson this week was talking about that he
didn't watch the All Star weekend it was so bad,
and that he a couple, you know, a couple of
(32:31):
weeks ago to watch a game and both stars are out.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
He didn't want to watch the game. So but the.
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Speaker 1 (35:02):
So you know, this is the time of the year
that NFL teams could submit rule changes to the NFL.
Belichick would do that every year. He'd come up with
clever stuff. So the packers have made it official an
anti tush push rule, And basically what the packers are
selling to the NFL is you cannot push a quarterback
from behind. I agree with that, you don't want to
(35:24):
eliminate quarterback sneaks, and you know everybody uses them. Brady
used them to perfection, so do the Eagles and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
But you can't.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
To prohibit an offensive player from pushing a teammate who
was lined up directly behind the snapper and receives the
snap immediately at the snap, so you just get the
guy behind pushing. I totally agree it's bad aesthetically, you
get somebody hurt, and it just it just feels like
one of those things. It doesn't help the game. Also,
this is an interesting one. The Lions proposed a bylaw
(35:59):
I don't like this all that would allow wild card
teams to be seated higher than division winners based on record.
That would have help actually helped the Vikings last year.
Bottom line is, it can't just be record because there
are easier and harder divisions. Win your division. You know
(36:19):
divisions are never going to be equal. College football, the
SEC has been better than everybody by a mile except
the Big Ten for the last twenty years, and last
year was one of the first years I remember that
the Big Ten was better, was the best conference in
college football, and I think they will again next year.
A lot of that's nil and money, and you know
Washington Oregon USC moved in. So so I like the
(36:42):
Packers tush push proposal. You know, win your division, this
idea when people get upset, well they won their division.
They're nine and seven, but they're not very good. You know,
life's not fair. Some people grow up, you know money,
some don't. Life's not fair. You got to make the
most of it. And by the way, the story of
(37:04):
the day at the Pro day is that Jalen Millrow
ran like a Michael Vick Lamar Jackson forty. I don't
think Pittsburgh is a good fit. If you go look
at Russell Wilson's last five games, including the playoffs, he
was zero to five and I mean six passing touchdowns,
four giveaways. The offensive culture in Pittsburgh is broken, and
(37:28):
after the raw ross stuff melts away by December and January,
Pittsburgh's bad at the end of the years offensively how
many straight years. I just don't think they're a sophisticated
offensive culture. And so I think Jalen Millrow needs, like
maybe like bo Nicks needs the right fit to flourish,
at least early in his career. Here's Albert earlier on
(37:51):
Jalen Millrow and his you know, dynamic pro day.
Speaker 12 (37:55):
He does have freakish athletic ability and like the easy
compas to another guy played.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
At BAMBA, which is Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 12 (38:01):
A couple of guys who evaluated both have have told
me is to be Jalen Milroe. You you're you're to
be Jalen Hurts. You're You're walking a very narrow path.
He was special as a competitor, special from a work
ethics standpoint, special football character. Look at the distance he's
got to go as a passer to be an effective
(38:22):
NFL quarterback, and then try to determine whether or not
he's got you know upstairs and and it has got
what Jalen Hurts had to to to make himself into
what he is today.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
So I was thinking about this when I looked at
Russell Wilson's last five games.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Who are the two quarterbacks? But we still think can
play at a decent level, A B two B plus level.
Some sundays they couldn't find a team. It's Aaron and
Russell both both seen as high maintenance.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
It's I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I've I've had so many times I have talked to
NFL people in the building and they will reference, Hey, man,
that's what the NBA does. We're not a player driven league.
That's not what we're gonna do. The minute you'll tolerate
a little bit of it when Obj's in his prime.
(39:18):
The minute a player gets out of his prime and
there's maintenance it. I want this coordinator and I want
this player, and don't forget. Before he went to the Jets,
Aaron did not have a big market. Russell did not
have a big market.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Russ flamed out Seattle and Denver because of that stuff.
But I don't recall too much shatter in Pittsburgh about demands.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I'm ma, that's his brand.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Now Russell is seen as a little cringey, hopelessly optimistic,
not necessarily great, locker room, got fair or not? Why
is Russell go to Aaron's last ten games last year?
Go to Russell's season. It flamed out, but Russell wasn't
bad early in the year.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
So do you remember where Aaron Glenn dropped the hammer
on Rogers and said, hey man, you know, if you
want to come back, none of this podcast every week
getting paid and throwing the flamethrower on people. And some
people said, oh, that's so stupid. Let him do his thing. No,
it was creating drama. Right, So, I don't know. Are
the giants in the Browns trying to draw a landet?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (40:18):
I think the giants are so desperate they would take
whatever they could get.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah, I just it's not a good place to be.
No desperate for Aaron Rodgers whatever.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Mercedes Lewis former Packer, been in the NFL. Yeah, ever,
he's going to be joining us.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
You know Rogers a little bit, right?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Did you you know what? I didn't watch college basketball
last night? I watched some Warriors box.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
It is interesting.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
How do you watch it with no Curry?
Speaker 3 (40:45):
It was a good game.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Is Giannis played? I mean, I'm watching the war I
want to. By the way, Curry con missing a playoff game?
Speaker 6 (40:51):
Oh wait, okay, So you watch NBA last night? Next
four nights, it's all college hoops right right?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (40:56):
So I don't know what's crazy.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Stuff could happen in the NBA, and it's like it
goes under the radar, but because of college basket.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
But isn't it crazy how sports changes so quickly? Is
that Yo Kitchen Wemby. Wemby enters the league after Yo
kich and you're like, well, there are seven footers who
can shoot jumpers and pass and dribble. Jannis looks like outdated.
He has no jumper, no mid range jumper, forget the
(41:26):
three point, can't shoot free throws like it might take it.
It's very Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan today would not age
nearly as well as Larry Bird would, like Lebron, Michael Jordan,
they'll work anywhere, but Tim Duncan in today's game, he
didn't shoot, no mid range no longer. Rain doesn't handle
(41:47):
the ball in his era like Shack today. In his era,
the power stuff worked. What would Shack be today?
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Well, we know he couldn't guard the pick and roll.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Sorry shackne He couldn't just put him in a blender
on the pick and right day. I mean, I mean
that's you want to guess how old honest is.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Thirty thirty?
Speaker 4 (42:09):
He turned thirty intocembery, you're saying he's outdated already.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
That's I'm not letting out datory.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
I'm not saying I'm saying his style of play when
you watch jokicch and Wemby. He's a limited player. It'd
be different if he shot seventy eight percent from the line.
He's missed more than one hundred free throws. Last night, Draymon,
who is five inches shorter, shut him down. Go ask
(42:32):
Draymond about Jokicic. He laughs, He's like, yeah, white flag
would surrender. Nobody and nobody can stop Wemby. Nobody can
stop Jokics. They have so many demands. I'm saying with
the honesses, it's not he doesn't have a ton of dimensions.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Foul him, get it now.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
If he has a physical mismatch, he will take you
to the basket and score.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Nobody's saying he's not great.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
But man, basketball, these bigs now are so talented that
it's just like, all right, foul him, get into the line.
That was the knock on for Duncan for years, Just
foul to him, get into the line. He got better
as he got older, but oh oh,
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In hour two. It is Wednesday. Jay McK and I
are off tomorrow and Friday. We're gonna let everybody watch
the NCAA Tournament games. March madness, a lot of fun.
We are going bracket for bracket. He's got duke flying through.
Keep your eye, I say on Rick Patino and more
experienced teams. The SEC was, however, unbelievable this year and
fourteen teams in. I have Tennessee and Auburn getting in.
(00:50):
Not that anybody cares. You're going with traditional duke, which
is very young. Remember we've seen these great young duke
teams with young star players and don't win the tournament.
Keep doubting my main Cooper, Flash, he's good.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
We've got tonight Xavier or Texas. That's gonna be a
good game. Texas, Okay, I got Xavier. We'll go ahead
to head again because we love going toe to toe.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So I will say this before I get to our
guest want to start to the baseball season for the
Dodgers and show Hey. I'll get to that in a
couple of minutes. But I saw a story this morning,
and the New York Giants don't land Aaron Rodgers, then
what well, then nothing They'll be drafting at the top
of next year's draft. Two, is something is happening in
the NFL. I do not think it's a good thing.
It feels very much like the NBA, and I don't
(01:32):
think it's a good thing. Is that because the league
is so quarterback reliant, the rules are now all to
protect the quarterback that if you don't have a great one,
you're not viable, Like by mid October, you're unwatchable. Last
year we had ten teams that's a third of the league.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
This is very NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Ten teams with five or fewer wins last year, that's
tied for the most since they expanded to sixteen plus games.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So, and we talked about this last year.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Is I found myself by by mid to late October
last year ever seven or eight teams. I would have rather,
you know, called a friend than have watched them.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You gave me.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You gave me Tennessee and Carolina last year. Not interested.
So and I don't remember ever being a year like that.
So we are a month away from the draft. I
could tell you right now who's gonna be at the
top of the following draft. It's gonna be the Giants
and the Jets. It's gonna be New Orleans, it's gonna
be Cleveland, keep your ayon Jacksonville. So I don't think
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it's a great thing. That's why I say I root
for Shador Sanders and cam Ward and Jalen Milroe and
uh I root for all these kids to hit. First
of all, it's it's you know, you don't want to
root against people in life. I want all these young
quarterbacks to hit because the quality of the game is better.
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Just it's more fun to watch great teams. Cubs are
a good team, Dodgers are a great team. That's why
I set my alarm for three forty five in the morning.
And with that, Aj Perzinski, nineteen years in Major League baseball,
Fox Baseball Analyst is joining us.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Listen, you know, It's funny. I said this last year.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
There you go, before you get started. Wait, you picked
the wrong team, Colin. You've not the wrong team in
that bracket.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That's what I hear. That's what I hear.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You know, I noticed this in the World Series last
year when Garrett Cole wasn't pitching for the Yankees. AJ
the Dodgers looked so much better and deeper and more athletic.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
The Cubs are.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
A good team, but I mean, we don't have bets planned,
we don't have Freddy plan.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We don't have show Hay pitching.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
When you're calling these games, I mean even the relievers
for the Dodgers. These are big men one hundred mile
an hour. Does it feel like when you're watching it
as a former nineteen year veteran, we're just watching an
all time great Dodger lineup?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
It could be it could be. Listen, forget the lineup.
Let's talk about their pitching staff. We saw their three
and four pitch in Sazaki and Yamamoto would be one
and two on any other team. We didn't see smelling glass.
Now we forgot about them. They were on vacation in
Tokyo for the last week, right I mean, we saw
basically their threes and fours with the stuff they had,
and they went out and got Tanner Scott, the best
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reliever on the market, Kirby As who was unbelievable All
Star last year for Texas. And they still have Blake
Trying and Evan Phillips, Michael Kopek, Vesia Bonda, all these
guys that helped them win a World Series last year.
This team is ridiculously loaded. They have the deepest team
in baseball. I don't want to hear about, oh, the
Yankee system. The Cubs are a good team, They're not
a great team. They're flawed. They have some holes that
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were exposed. Their bullpen, their back end is what the
Dodgers do. But this is what Dodgers do to everybody.
They pitch count them. They wear you down until they
get into your bullpen and you make a mistake and
they score runs. Yes, Freddie and Mookie weren't there, but
there's lineup is still ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, no, that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
They wear you down, they get to your bullpen and
then you throw up a middle reliever against you know
that lineup in your toast. We saw that in Game one,
so oh here, listen. We know Otani's great. That goes
without saying. I think an underrated part of him is
his speed, you know, I mean, I mean the guy
is there's a lot of guys you played with, guys
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that could run. It doesn't mean they were great base dealers.
There's an art to it, and that aj that tells
me that beyond being talented, he's a grinder. He's watching film.
I mean, that's what impresses me. Beyond just that all
you guys are great talent. What blows you away with OTAWNI?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Well, first of all, size. I don't think people realize
how big show he is until you stand next to him.
I'm six four two fifty and he's way larger than
I am in person. That's what I think people don't realize.
And then it's like five steps out the steps. I
know it's like more than five, but it seems like
he takes five steps and he's a second base sliding.
His speed is because he's quick, he's big, and it
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takes him less steps than the average human to get there.
But he also gets great jumps and no forget David
Roberts as his manager. Dave Roberts stole a pretty large
bag in his day against the Yankees in a two
thousand and four playoff game where they went on to
win the World Series. So Dave Roberts knows what he's doing.
This coaching staff knows how to maximize everything he does,
and he's just an unbelievable talent something that we'll probably
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I don't know if we'll ever see what he can
do again.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You know, I was thinking about this, you know, you
look at the I mean because since the Dodgers started,
they got new ownership, they got a lot of money.
But in that time, the Nationals, the Royals have won
a World Series. So it's very possible. Like this doesn't
guarantee anything in baseball. There's injuries. If there's anything about
the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
That would worry me. And this is for all athletes.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
All athletes now make so much money, social media, salary, shoes, whatever,
and that can sometimes you know, grow some ego. Is
that the I look at the Dodgers starting staff and
there are guys that would get twenty five starts for
every other team they may get seventeen. And there's also
guys that could bat third on team that made bat
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sixth do you worry a little bit about having to
kind of Dave Roberts kind of walk on eggshells a
little bit on a nightly basis with the order and
the staff.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
No. I was in their camp last week, and they
are the most selfless team I've ever been around. I
played with Freddie, I played with MOOKI, I played with
a lot of these some of these guys, not a
lot of them, but I played with them the superstars,
and they just want to win. That's the biggest thing.
You talk to Maximunsy, you talk to Freddie, you talk
to Moki, you talk to Will Smith, you talk to
these guys. All they want to do is win. Taoscar
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Hernandez is all about winning. He came back to the
Dodgers again, took less money because he wants to win.
The starters they just want to be ready for October.
Whether it's Blake Snow, whether it's Tyler Glassnell, whether whoever
it is, Yamamoto Sazaki, they just want to be ready
for the postseason because they want to do what we're
showing right now, which is jump up and down and
celebrate another World Series. Can another team win it? Absolutely? Listen.
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Their division Arizona is a really good team. I don't
think people talk about them enough. And they're the last
team to beat the Dodgers in the postseason. Yea, the
Phillies are really good. The Mets reloaded right that Braves.
If they have Strider and Sale, that's a pretty good
one two punch. You can shut down anybody. The National League,
I believe, is way better than the American League, as
we saw last year. If you get through the National
League postseason, you have a great shot to win the
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World Series if you can get through it well.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Adam Wainwright brought up this point yesterday, and I thought
it was a good one.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
He said.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Listen, if I was Soto, I would have just stayed
on the American League side. Yes, what's the point of
going facing the Braves and the Dodgers?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And I listen, I'm never going to tell an athlete
to take less.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Were you surprised that he goes to the much tougher
it's like going, it's like choosing trying to get out
of the SEC compared to the Big twelve.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Were you surprised by it?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Because they gave it well, he said, they didn't give
him the most money but it seemed like it's where
he wanted to go. Even last year heard Aaron Judge said, oh,
he ended up where he wanted to. Well, guess what,
He's where he wants to be. And now he can
kind of form a new legacy because the Yankees have
their players, they have their guys that are setting situations.
They Aaron Judges the captain. Well, now he goes to
New York, the other side of town, into the Mets
in city Field, and he can be the guy. He
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can be the man. Yes, Lindor's there, Yes, Alonso's there,
but Wantserto was there for fifteen years and seven hundred
and sixty five million dollars. So he's gonna have to
be the man. And that's what he wanted and now
he gets to prove it. Will he We'll see, But boy,
I would like to have seven hundred and sixty fillion,
five million reasons. Why.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, Aj Persinski, he is like a good dad. He's
leaving our show in two minutes to go watch his kid.
You're coaching him, is what you told me?
Speaker 5 (09:32):
No, no, gosh, no, I used to coach. I had
to quit because listen, Colin has a dad and a coach.
It doesn't work very well because sometimes I love my
kid to death, but we just we disagree a little
bit on certain things and understandable. It's been a much
better relationship since I walked away.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Hey Man, we always appreciate you having you on the show.
It's going to be a great year of baseball. I've
been getting up in the morning and they've been wildly entertaining.
I appreciate you stopping by.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
No problem. And by the way, go Gators.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
There you go, Gainesville's best. Gogetor Aj Prazinski Fox Sports. Yeah,
those games are entertaining. It is crazy, though, that you
have I was.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Reading this today.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
There are four starters for the Dodgers that could be
aces on about half the teams in baseball, three MVP
caliber players.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Like we're watching history.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
How about that when that show, Hey came out of
the outfield and the cameras on that stuff. Every time
I watched that Tokyo Dome, it looks like the stadium
I went to as a kid, which was the Kingdome,
so I I can literally see it in my head.
A guy named Bill Leisure picked me up at my house.
We got lost on the way there. We showed up
and the game was starting in like ten minutes. It
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was the first game ever at the Kingdome, and I
sat in right field and Joe Rudy hit a home
run basically in my seat in the left field for
the Angels. But what was remarkable about this all the
pressure on Otani and he was both games money.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
The only guy I can think of you with your
greatest athlete ever ran earlier is like the Bo Jackson,
Deon Sanders, guys who played two sports. Like Michael Jordan
traded Pride baseball. He just couldn't do it. Otani's doing
pitching hitting. Deon Sanders did football baseball. Bo Jackson, you
know both. I think Otani's in that class, like he's
that dominant man.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Well again, Babe Ruth was a power pitcher and a
power hitter. Otani can hit for average and Otani will
steal fifty base.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
How many steals from Babe Ruth in his career?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Now, it's I mean, I know I'm talking a lot
about baseball and a colony.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well, why baseball? You were watching history.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
We are watching a team when you're as deep as
the Dodgers, you know, and you you can just rest guys,
guy has a little tweak in his shoulder. We'll see
in three weeks.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That's what do you.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Feel more confident about the Dodgers in the World Series
or the Lakers in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
No Dodgers in the World Series. The Lakers have something
though now. And I never said Lebron didn't tweak is
growing against Boston. He did, but it was very clear.
I'm going back to La like I think.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Son winn to stay championship.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
This is understandable.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, Lebron knows his body. But what the Lakers have
and that's why it was encouraging last night how the
Warriors won is the Lakers now have three elite initiators
of offense. And what you're seeing now, Lucas said it
last night, like you guys are not paying attention to
Austin Reeves. This guy's dropping thirty in the NBA. So
you know, maybe I was a little hard on him.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Yeah, coming around, not all Austin Reeves.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Maybe you can get him on the show.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You know.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
The thing he's emerging as like a kind of alt
He's got a cult following in.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
La out here. I'll be serious.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Well, He's a love Austines.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's never been a question whether he can initiate offense
and be a score. I mean, I've said, if he's
your fourth best player, like Derek White is the Celtics'
fourth best player, that's a championship team. I think Austin's
they're clearly their third Rui's therefore, but what you're seeing
now is it really freeze up Luca and Lebron to
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take a night offson, take a possession off Austin gives them.
And you know this is these Lebron's got a lot
of wear on those tires. And for Lebron to know
I can hit the bench, and we stopped Luca and
Austin initiating offense. You don't think about this so much
of this league. This is why Jimmy Butler's so valuable.
It's getting to the free throw line. Yanna sketch there
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but can't hit the free throws. Austin can so much.
A playoff basketball is getting the whistle, getting the line,
getting people in foul trouble.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Austin, Luke, and Lebron are all great at that.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
It's a tough comp for Austin. Reeves like historically like
who is he?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Like, I mean, I keep.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Coming back to Larry Bird, but that might be a
little rich for Austin Reeves. It's tough. Like he's six seven,
great handle, gets to the line.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Like you said, he's not an amazing defender, but he's
a good defender.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
He's solid.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I don't think, just don't know what his comp is.
I you know, I don't know what his comp is.
I'm not off the top of my head, but I
know this. He is good with contact. Winning player, you know,
the winning player. And you know there's the old saying
about they'll talk about wide receivers and Kwan Bolden was
the first receiver people talked about this. He could catch
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in traffic, you know, just and Kwan was just like
box you out if you threw the ball up to
a Kwan Bolden, he just catches the ball.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
De Hop does some of this. They can just.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Catch a Pooka's got some of this. And that's Austin Reeves.
He's very good in conflict. He's very good when he's hit.
A lot of guys hit the shot discomb Sga is
very good at this, can get a really quality shot
off balance after contact that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I'll never forget.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
He was in the NCAA tournament in Oklahoma and they
played a loaded Gonzaga team and you can look it
up on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
He was the best player on the court.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
And that Gonzaga team was stacked and Austin Reeves went
for like twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Nobody could guard.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Him, and I was like, that guy's that's a first
round pick. He's really good. And since that Austin, what
a fine by Roba Link and the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Man he is.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
He's a joy to watch well. Rob take swings. The
Westbrook thing didn't work. Luca thing obviously did. But I
mean it's unlike the Cowboy because I've said the Lakers
and the Cowboys can be a bit insular. They can
be a bit like family business. The differences. The Cowboys
haven't drafted very well outside of their first pick. The
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Lakers have found some guys. They've done a pretty good
job on trades. Again, the Westbrook thing was a swing.
It didn't work.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Oh a lot of that was on Lebron.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Let's be real. Lebron pushed for Westbrook. We get that.
You know you're not gonna.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Bat a thousand picking up free agents.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
I mean he hit on Kevin Love, you know, like
he's done a really good job.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Some did that didn't work out, but they're.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
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Speaker 1 (15:56):
Jalen Milroe, I think that's the fastest forty time ever
for a quarter I'm just you know, throwing that out there.
Four three seven at the Alabama Pro Day. And but
you and I got into this discussion. One of the
things I didn't like about will Levis was he was ripped.
Brady Quinn came out, he was jacked. I want fluidity
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with my quarterback. Tom Brady talks about this plia metrics.
I don't want. I want some pudding. You're gonna get hit.
I don't want some guy that's on the internet showing
me as abs. That's not what quarterback is four.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
To three seven. Isn't that mobile and pliable?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Like you?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That fast?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
That's fast. So you're putting Moro in the Will Levis territory.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
No, No, well a little bit where like athlete gun show,
big arm, wildly inconsistent, like like Kleen de bor is
a good offensive coach, like they were really frustrated. Alabama's
got really good old lines and wide receivers and tight ends.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Look at the traps on this guy, come on denying it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But quarterback again, I'm not saying that he can't play
some but Anthony Richardson blew everybody away. Will Levis blew
everybody away. Let's go to the best body the last
ten years at quarterback. Did Peyton Manning have one? Did
Mahomes have one? Did Josh Allen have one? Did Lamar?
Lamar came into the league, he was so skinny, and
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so you know, I'm not saying it. I'm just saying
it's a quality that it doesn't matter. I am looking
for fluidity, movement.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
That looked fluid in the pocket there Colin No.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I watched him play ten times. He gets he's mechanical.
Now again Jayden Daniels, by the way, fluid thin. I mean,
Caleb Williams is strong, he's not rich.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You know, you said Lamar Jackson and it just clicked.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
That's probably his comp coming out, not Kurt Lamar because
remember coming out, Lamar fell to the end of the
first round. He didn't go until the I think the
Ravens had to trade into the back of the first
round get him. That's probably the best comp for Milroe.
Then the question is Colin, do you build an offense
around his skill set? And that's what Baltimore did. They said, Hey,
we're going to run the pistol.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, but look, Lamar worked. Lamar is one of the greatest.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Now he is.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
He wasn't coming out well. He was.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
He started week eleven his rookie year. He was excellent
day one. By year two he was better in the pocket.
By year three, he was great in the begin Why
couldn't Milroe be that with the right offensive because Lamar
was never mechanical. Will Levis is mechanical. Jalen's mechanical. It
doesn't look in fact, one of my knocks on bow
Knicks is that he's so jacked up. I wish bow
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was a little more fluid. He When I seen bow
Knicks up close on the sideline in Oregon, when you
can see the gun show like he's ripped, and I think,
what may you know? They always talk about with cornerbacks
you need hips. It's all about the hips. I just
think being ripped. I would take much less of that.
I remember when Brady Quinn came out. I mean, Brady
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is still, you know, kind of a jacked up guy.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
But he wasn't. It wasn't real fluid and pliable.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Interesting you go way to Lamar last two years in college,
had almost sixty touchdown passes with Louisville Talent.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Milroe had thirty nine with Bama Town.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Wait a minute, the Milroe, they had the change of coaches.
Save into your guy, a couple of stiffs, and you're
in the SEC as opposed to the ACC. Let's drill
down on those numbers and see who Lamar was torching that.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
George Lamarrow wasn't playing with five star players and Lamar
almost averaged thirty touchdown passes a year.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Andy was unbelievable running.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Do we have Lamar's forty times at the combine or play?
I don't remember. I bet you it's similar to this.
I bet you it's in the four. Well.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Steve Kaime, who was an NFL GM for ten years,
is now the GM of Clutch Sports Football. A couple
of weeks ago, he likes Milroe a lot. Here's what
he sees.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
I haven't seen many guys that can throw the football
like him that have that kind of speed and explosive
for a quarterback. At two hundred and twenty five pounds,
he's probably a sub four to four guy. He's a
tremendous runner with the football in his hands, and he's
got the size and explosiveness. It's rare and off the charts.
I think he's going to be a guy that under
the right tutelage and the right coaching, I think he's
going to develop into a great.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Pro Okay, So again, that's my team. He needs the fit.
He's not a natural. He's a great athlete and a
great kid, great parent, like everybody loves him. But I
watched him play a ton and I think BAMA fan
would tell you this, it doesn't look natural. It's just
not Yeah, OK, it's kind of It's like I always
say with Will Levis, even now Will Levis, it just
looks clunky.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
So a couple things. So Breer said the Pittsburgh Steelers
would be a fit, and I totally disagree. You and
I are on the same way. You're my guy, but
that's not I don't believe that all regarding fit. Remember
Patrick Mahomes came out of like the air raid system,
the Big twelve, no defense. I'm just curious what the
world looks like if he doesn't get Andy Reid as
his head coach, well and he goes to you know, Tennessee,
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Jackson whatever without it like a offensive mind.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Remember there's about there's there's a half a dozen gms
in the league that thought Mahomes was the next Farve
like it was a They kept him quiet and he
fell to what eleven? Yeah, so I don't this is
not the same situation. I know everybody I talked to
in the league, and I've asked everybody, they're like, the
first thing they say, great kid, unbelievable athlete. I'm not sure,
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And so it's different. By the way, now these are
unofficial times. Michael Vick ran a four to three to three,
Lamara four three four, Jayalen a four to three. Steps
Now Jalen is more ripped than Michael or Lamar.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Oh, I mean he.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Is, he is.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And again there's so many things to like. But Callen
de Boer had Michael Pennix uh and I mean just
I mean it was so consistent. Every Saturday was beautiful.
I mean he struggled. I mean I remember that Bandy game,
like there were halfs that they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Move the ball.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Wasn't Pennix like the fifth year guy. He was like
twenty three, twenty four years old. Mil Roe was a
little younger than that. He's sat for letting.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
He's super mature. He's supposed to be a super mature.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Based on this discussion. I'm planting my flag. I'm a
Jayla mill Rover goes to the right spot.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I want him to succeed. I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I would love to see you know, I would love
to see a team.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
If he goes to the Cowboys, forget it, it's over.
It's not happening. His career is it's dead on arrival.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
If he goes to the Brown second round, early, Giant,
second round early, that's those are home runs. Daveles to
is not going top five or six. No, no, I
said second round, the second round. I don't know that
they do it. But would Minnesota draft another quarterback second round?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Kevin O'Connell, like you could be McVeigh or Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
This guy's going to the moon.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Seriously, I can't figure out. I can't figure the.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Rams in the market for a drafting a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
They have to be right.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Stafford's got one or two years left.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I think when you get to like the twentieth pick
on you just take the best player available because that's
no man's land. You kind of have second round picks.
So when I've talked to the Rams, it's like, hey man,
when you get when you're a really good team like
Kansas City Philadelphia every year, but the time you if
you know, like the Rams thought about moving up for
Brock Powers and they couldn't get there, right, But if
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the bad team's mostly dropping the top fourteen, and that's
where the really the getting's good. When you're in the
first round. There's a couple of wide receivers. There's Loveling,
the tight end from Michigan. If he fell to twenty three,
you just take him. Milro is one of those guys.
If he's there at twenty three or twenty four, Andy
Reid maybe, like you know, I'm just gonna take him
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because you know, there's also Josh Connery's an offensive tackle
for Oregon.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Young, really good.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
If he's available at twenty five, I think you just
have to take him, although he may be a year
away from starting in the NFL. So you just don't
get too clever late first. You just take what's available,
whatever need forget need, just take the best player available.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
J Mackle a news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
All right, let's start in the Pacific Northwest with the
Seahawks and your guy, Cooper Cupp had his introductory press
conference yesterday. I know you're disappointed to know he's wearing
a hat backwards. Yeah, he's wearing flannel Pearl Jam a
little nod to the Pacific Northwest there. Perhaps it's a
bit of a homecoming for Cup played college football at
Eastern Washington. That factored into his decision to join the Seahawks.
(24:29):
I really do like the Pearl Jam t shirt. Here
he is talking about playing against the Rams twice a
year next season.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
I am looking forward to and that wasn't playing into
the decision to come here. But it's a nice little
thing on the side to be able to go against
those guys and know a lot of those guys so
much respect for the coaching staff, the way they handle
things down there, the players down there. I am excited
about though. It's gonna be a it's gonna be a
really cool thing. And you know, at theh when that
time comes, you know it will be it'll just be
(24:58):
football at that point, you know. But but I am
looking forward to him.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I would be very happy if I was Cooper Cup,
his family and his agent, because I thought there were
a couple of players I thought were overpaid. Milton Williams
for New England got about twice what I think I
would be comfortable paying. Cooper Cup got a really good
deal for somebody that no longer separated.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Locker room leader.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Nice guy.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
I think he could slide right into the slot you
move JSN outside. I think he's got the fast feet.
He gets to eat right, you know, Sophie, don't eat.
You love that last week, so I'm sorry to bring it back.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I'm a Cup guy.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
You know, he's a character guy. He went to Eastern
Washington University. That place produces Karen.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
All right, let's move on Eastern Washington.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Isn't that the smurfh turf or whatever?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Anyways, Let's go to the next way.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Oh Man This was a heartbreaker for Saint Francis.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
My guys, Alabama State through a literal hail Mary pass
bing bang boom right into the guy's bread basket.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Me lays it in with one second left.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Alabama State gets to win heartbreak city for Saint Francis
and the Hornets. They advanced to face number one seed
Alabama tomorrow where they are.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Probably like a thirty point underdog. Did you watch any
of that game?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
But and I didn't watch the North Carolina game. I
just kept checking my phone as I was watching something
else and laughing that North Carolina was leading by forty.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
How'd they get in the door to it?
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Do?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Rageous?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
They lead by forty, They had like fourteen threes. Final
story and I want to give this some room to breathe.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
It's your boy. Joe Klatt has a new mock draft.
Oh I'm not gonna say anything. I'm just going to
tee you up because I already have thoughts. I don't
want to impact yours. He has Cam Wore going one
like everybody, he has Travis Hunter going two to the Browns,
followed by Shador to the Giants, Abdul Carter, Will Johnson
rising up his charts in Michigan corner, Mason Graham, Will
(26:55):
Campbell the offensive tackle to my Jets. I disagree, Jalen Walker,
a couple of Georgia guys, and then Banks to Chicago
another offensive lineman for the Bears.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Let's drill down on two. What do you got?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, I mean Travis Hunter is a great athlete, so
I'm not gonna say bad pick. I mean, I think
Travis Hunter will be the most dynamic player in the draft. Okay,
And I also think Kevin Stefanski is an excellent coach,
so he'll figure out a way to use him.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
So I don't think that's bad at all.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I mean, I I mean, it's not a good enough
draft to argue like, I love Mason Graham and Will
Johnson from Michigan, I would have no problem. The guy
that's sliding is that wide receiver team Ac from Arizona.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
He is a live mistake. But whatever, you and I
both like him.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Yeah, where's Tyler Warren?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Anyways?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
You have said and I know some of your takes
out because I've been on the show what two and
a half years.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I don't even know time flies when you're having fun.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Yeah, you said wide receivers are accessories. On what planet
do you take an accessory ahead of a quarterback when
you don't have one?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, I think generationally, as Urban Meyer said, Travis Hunter
is so unique. He has an ability that Urban touched
on that you don't see much. So when Michael Jordan
was in his prime, Michael would go play thirty six
holes of golf, come back, go to the arena and
drop forty five. And we've all had a friend like
(28:21):
this in our life that they're just built different, like
just genetically, they've got more energy. Travis Hunter literally can
play eighty snaps and on the eightieth one he has
snap seven energy. That's what Urban said. Like he is
literally blocking downfield on the seventy third snap of a game.
He's such a unique all time athlete.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
In a week.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Draft, maybe if it's a great draft, he's eight twelve.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
But you're Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
The idea that he could be a number two corner
and you're number one receiver with an clever offensive coach,
I'm here for it.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
So you're okay with taking Travis Hunter a receiver over
a quarterback when you don't have one.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Well, they do have booth Deshaun Watson. Whyett, he's not
their quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
They're done with this guy.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
They don't want him. Well, he's off his Achilles twice.
Isn't he on the roster.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
He's technically on the roster, but they don't want him.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
They don't like him.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
He's the major reason that everybody in the organization is depressed.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
He's gonna cost Afanski his job.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
If he's your starting quarterback.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
No, I think, Stefanski said, I think next year's the
quarterback class. And my take is you can get that
quarterback in the second round, young man out of Syracuse,
Kyle McCord with the Kyle McCord, Kyle McCord second round.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Don't be shocked if he's not mean.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Girls the movie where that one girl's trying to make
fetch happen and he stopped.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Stop trying to make fetch happen. Stop trying to make.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Kyle McCord happen.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I know you like him, and you have guys telling
you stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Hey, let's stop doing my own homework on this. He's
breaking down fall.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Joe Rogan do my own research guy on quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
By the way, at some point and people have asked
me this on the staff what are you going to
say to Colin next year? We keep hearing about all
these quarterbacks. Who is it beside corks.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Manning who we don't even know at Penn State's very good.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
You're going to roll the.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Not dating tape of Penn State quarterback. I know he's
got some choice toolsy.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
We always say this, next year's corps.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Next year. Hey, next year I'll get around of cleaning
the garage college. So I tell my wife all the time.
Jamack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Here was Albert Breer came on about fifteen minutes ago
on the decision. Now the Vikings have said to Aaron Rodgers,
no thanks. Now it's down to the Steelers. It's down
to the Giants. And here's Albert Breer.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
The Giants are sort of analogous to what the Jets
were when he went there two years ago, where you've
got a promising young core and you're asking Aaron Rodgers
to come in and lift all those guys out up right,
So Milik Neighbors, Andrew.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Thomas, you know, Dexter, Lawrence kevon Thibodeau.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Brian Burns.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
They're asking him to come in and take a franchise
that's been down for a while and lift it up,
Whereas with the Steelers it's different.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
He's jumping on a moving train.
Speaker 9 (31:15):
He'd be kind of syncing up with some more of
his peers, and it'd be a different deal in Pittsburgh
where he's more the final piece than somebody who's gonna
left all votes.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, that's what it has been reduced to.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
All this stuff is fun these Klatt comes out with
his h you know, I will say this is that.
You know, there's been a lot of talk about, oh,
the NBA's ratings, nobody likes it. The ratings for the
NBA are on par with last year, and I think
the playoffs will beat last year's playoff numbers significantly because
Steph's going to be it, Lebron's going to be it,
(31:48):
and the Lakers and Warriors have a chance to get
to the NBA Finals. I think the Lakers chance is
better than the Warriors, but they both have a chance.
But right now, what's interesting is basketball as a whole.
Women's Basketball's up, wa is up, Men's March Madness is up.
These conference championships are up. We love basketball in this country.
We love basketball. We don't always love this load management nonsense,
(32:10):
which I think Adam Silver. The one thing the late
David Stern attacked very quickly was load management when the
Spurs started doing it. I think Adam has been a
little too easy on players. I would levy heavy fines.
Even Magic Johnson this week was talking about that he
didn't watch the All Star weekend it was so bad,
and that he a couple, you know, a couple of
(32:31):
weeks ago to watch a game and both stars are out.
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Speaker 1 (35:02):
So you know, this is the time of the year
that NFL teams could submit rule changes to the NFL.
Belichick would do that every year. He'd come up with
clever stuff. So the packers have made it official an
anti tush push rule, And basically what the packers are
selling to the NFL is you cannot push a quarterback
from behind. I agree with that, you don't want to
(35:24):
eliminate quarterback sneaks, and you know everybody uses them. Brady
used them to perfection, so do the Eagles and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
But you can't.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
To prohibit an offensive player from pushing a teammate who
was lined up directly behind the snapper and receives the
snap immediately at the snap, so you just get the
guy behind pushing. I totally agree it's bad aesthetically, you
get somebody hurt, and it just it just feels like
one of those things. It doesn't help the game. Also,
this is an interesting one. The Lions proposed a bylaw
(35:59):
I don't like this all that would allow wild card
teams to be seated higher than division winners based on record.
That would have help actually helped the Vikings last year.
Bottom line is, it can't just be record because there
are easier and harder divisions. Win your division. You know
(36:19):
divisions are never going to be equal. College football, the
SEC has been better than everybody by a mile except
the Big Ten for the last twenty years, and last
year was one of the first years I remember that
the Big Ten was better, was the best conference in
college football, and I think they will again next year.
A lot of that's nil and money, and you know
Washington Oregon USC moved in. So so I like the
(36:42):
Packers tush push proposal. You know, win your division, this
idea when people get upset, well they won their division.
They're nine and seven, but they're not very good. You know,
life's not fair. Some people grow up, you know money,
some don't. Life's not fair. You got to make the
most of it. And by the way, the story of
(37:04):
the day at the Pro day is that Jalen Millrow
ran like a Michael Vick Lamar Jackson forty. I don't
think Pittsburgh is a good fit. If you go look
at Russell Wilson's last five games, including the playoffs, he
was zero to five and I mean six passing touchdowns,
four giveaways. The offensive culture in Pittsburgh is broken, and
(37:28):
after the raw ross stuff melts away by December and January,
Pittsburgh's bad at the end of the years offensively how
many straight years. I just don't think they're a sophisticated
offensive culture. And so I think Jalen Millrow needs, like
maybe like bo Nicks needs the right fit to flourish,
at least early in his career. Here's Albert earlier on
(37:51):
Jalen Millrow and his you know, dynamic pro day.
Speaker 12 (37:55):
He does have freakish athletic ability and like the easy
compas to another guy played.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
At BAMBA, which is Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 12 (38:01):
A couple of guys who evaluated both have have told
me is to be Jalen Milroe. You you're you're to
be Jalen Hurts. You're You're walking a very narrow path.
He was special as a competitor, special from a work
ethics standpoint, special football character. Look at the distance he's
got to go as a passer to be an effective
(38:22):
NFL quarterback, and then try to determine whether or not
he's got you know upstairs and and it has got
what Jalen Hurts had to to to make himself into
what he is today.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
So I was thinking about this when I looked at
Russell Wilson's last five games.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Who are the two quarterbacks? But we still think can
play at a decent level, A B two B plus level.
Some sundays they couldn't find a team. It's Aaron and
Russell both both seen as high maintenance.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
It's I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I've I've had so many times I have talked to
NFL people in the building and they will reference, Hey, man,
that's what the NBA does. We're not a player driven league.
That's not what we're gonna do. The minute you'll tolerate
a little bit of it when Obj's in his prime.
(39:18):
The minute a player gets out of his prime and
there's maintenance it. I want this coordinator and I want
this player, and don't forget. Before he went to the Jets,
Aaron did not have a big market. Russell did not
have a big market.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Russ flamed out Seattle and Denver because of that stuff.
But I don't recall too much shatter in Pittsburgh about demands.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I'm ma, that's his brand.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Now Russell is seen as a little cringey, hopelessly optimistic,
not necessarily great, locker room, got fair or not? Why
is Russell go to Aaron's last ten games last year?
Go to Russell's season. It flamed out, but Russell wasn't
bad early in the year.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
So do you remember where Aaron Glenn dropped the hammer
on Rogers and said, hey man, you know, if you
want to come back, none of this podcast every week
getting paid and throwing the flamethrower on people. And some
people said, oh, that's so stupid. Let him do his thing. No,
it was creating drama. Right, So, I don't know. Are
the giants in the Browns trying to draw a landet?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (40:18):
I think the giants are so desperate they would take
whatever they could get.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah, I just it's not a good place to be.
No desperate for Aaron Rodgers whatever.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Mercedes Lewis former Packer, been in the NFL. Yeah, ever,
he's going to be joining us.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
You know Rogers a little bit, right?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Did you you know what? I didn't watch college basketball
last night? I watched some Warriors box.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
It is interesting.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
How do you watch it with no Curry?
Speaker 3 (40:45):
It was a good game.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Is Giannis played? I mean, I'm watching the war I
want to. By the way, Curry con missing a playoff game?
Speaker 6 (40:51):
Oh wait, okay, So you watch NBA last night? Next
four nights, it's all college hoops right right?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (40:56):
So I don't know what's crazy.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Stuff could happen in the NBA, and it's like it
goes under the radar, but because of college basket.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
But isn't it crazy how sports changes so quickly? Is
that Yo Kitchen Wemby. Wemby enters the league after Yo
kich and you're like, well, there are seven footers who
can shoot jumpers and pass and dribble. Jannis looks like outdated.
He has no jumper, no mid range jumper, forget the
(41:26):
three point, can't shoot free throws like it might take it.
It's very Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan today would not age
nearly as well as Larry Bird would, like Lebron, Michael Jordan,
they'll work anywhere, but Tim Duncan in today's game, he
didn't shoot, no mid range no longer. Rain doesn't handle
(41:47):
the ball in his era like Shack today. In his era,
the power stuff worked. What would Shack be today?
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Well, we know he couldn't guard the pick and roll.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Sorry shackne He couldn't just put him in a blender
on the pick and right day. I mean, I mean
that's you want to guess how old honest is.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Thirty thirty?
Speaker 4 (42:09):
He turned thirty intocembery, you're saying he's outdated already.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
That's I'm not letting out datory.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
I'm not saying I'm saying his style of play when
you watch jokicch and Wemby. He's a limited player. It'd
be different if he shot seventy eight percent from the line.
He's missed more than one hundred free throws. Last night, Draymon,
who is five inches shorter, shut him down. Go ask
(42:32):
Draymond about Jokicic. He laughs, He's like, yeah, white flag
would surrender. Nobody and nobody can stop Wemby. Nobody can
stop Jokics. They have so many demands. I'm saying with
the honesses, it's not he doesn't have a ton of dimensions.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Foul him, get it now.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
If he has a physical mismatch, he will take you
to the basket and score.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Nobody's saying he's not great.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
But man, basketball, these bigs now are so talented that
it's just like, all right, foul him, get into the line.
That was the knock on for Duncan for years, Just
foul to him, get into the line. He got better
as he got older, but oh oh,
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