February 14, 2024 • 40 mins
Greg Cosell from NFL Films joins the show to breakdown the biggest plays from the Super Bowl and how the Chiefs were able to overcome another double digit deficit
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
There is.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
There are times of recency bias, confirmation bias. You're trying
to confirm your take of you specifically or something just happened.
I do think with Patrick Mahomes, not just because they won,
but if you just go look at this playoff run
minus twenty seven degrees at Buffalo at Baltimore. Great second
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half against the Niners defense that played with their hair
on fire. He's pretty remarkable. I saw this number. Patrick,
Mahomes as an underdog is eleven one in one against
the spread. Vegas doesn't even know what to do with him.
Vegas can't figure him out. So what really separates Mahomes
from everybody else? And he's only been a starter for
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six years. He wins in so many ways. So first
of all, in division, it's insane. He's seventeen and one
on the road in division. Okay, he's thirty and five overall,
So in division is numbers don't make any sense. He's
ten and three is an underdog in his career, mostly
road games. He's nine and two straight up in the
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playoff when trailing by a touchdown or more. He's the
only quarterback ever regular season in playoffs with a winning
record when he trails by ten or more points. Location
doesn't matter, score opponent, regular season playoffs don't matter. And
to give this some context, in the regular season, in
the playoffs, Mahomes has a winning record when trailing by
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ten or more. I'll give you context. Dan Marino is
as talented as anybody I've seen play quarterback and had
two Hall of Fame coaches Jimmy Johnson and Don Shula.
Great coaching, great teammates two Hall of Fame coaches, unbelievable
all time talent. His record when trailing by ten or
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more is twenty nine and seventy five. Joe Montana with
arguably the greatest coach most of us have ever seen,
Bill Walsh, when trailing by ten or more seventeen and
twenty nine. Mahomes as an underdog on the road, trailing
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by a touchdown, regular season playoffs, trailing by ten in division,
out of division rivalry games, there's just nothing like it.
Here was Andy Reid talking to Peter King this week
about the greatness.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
He makes the difficult look easy, and it's at the
highest possible level in the whole world. It's only thirty
two of him the whole world, and he's the special
of the special. So I think that's great. I watched
Tom Brady turn the keys over to him, which was cool.
Tom said, Hey, this is your league now, man.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, I don't think it's recency bias. Vegas can't figure
him out deficits playoffs, cold warm, division, out of it road,
doesn't matter, indoors, out doors, he breaks everything. And for
the record, he just moved into his prime year six
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as a starter. Now situationally got Alex Smith as a
mentor and he reid great ga not denying that, but
he is in the AFC, which is a tougher conference.
He's had to go through Lamar and a Herbert and
a Josh Allen, so he got the tougher conference. I
don't think that's disputable. Forty four years at NFL films,
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Greg co cell stops bot. Now we'll use Greg a
lot during the draft. But we're gonna look back at
this game, and I said, I thought it was a
game in which San Francisco sometimes you just don't get
good luck. Kansas City fumbled five times, they recovered four
of them. There was a play a star linebacker for
San Francisco got hurt running into the game. It was like,
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it wasn't the lucky at San Francisco day. I think
their special teams hurt them, but there are in special
specific mone you just don't get the luck some days.
Over the course of a career, your choices, your decisions
as a team, and a coach, well kind of you
know you'll move beyond luck. It wasn't the luckiest day
for the Niners. They got it against Detroit ball off
a face mask a pick trailing twenty four to ten
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becomes a catch. They got luck that day. They didn't Sunday.
Let's go back to brock Pretty overall, I thought he
was very composed early, and I didn't think he would
be based on age and experience. What did the film
say on brock perty.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I thought overall he played very solid football. I thought
he had a rough third quarter. I thought there was
stretch in the third quarter where he just didn't see
things as clearly as were used to him doing so,
made a few late throws, a couple of poor reids,
But overall, I thought he played really solid football. Don't
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forget he played against the defense that's really difficult to
play against. I mean, the defining feature of Spag's defense
in this game was pressure. They pressured him on about
fifty percent of his dropbacks, and they played a ton
of man coverage, and they played press man. So they
did not make it easy, which is one reason why
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you didn't see as many of the timing throws, the
anticipation throws that were used to seeing from the Niners,
because often routes were disrupted closer to the line of scrimmage.
Snead and McDuffie played very physically off the ball, but
overall I thought that Perdy played a really solid game. Look, Colin,
I think if anyone said going into this game that
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Purdy would have fewer turnovers than Patrick Mahomes, you would
have thought that the Niners would have win the game.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Now, by the way, Deebo Kittlin Ayuk didn't do much again,
play calling, scheme or just excellent defense. Because those three,
if you'd have told me, yeah, those three aren't going
to do anything, I would have said, Sanford justco is
going to get hammered, and they didn't, and they control
much of it. But again, is that just on the
press coverage or their openings for those guys.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
No, I think there are a number of factors involved.
First of all, there was a lot of press coverage
and number one, number two, the Chiefs played a lot
of what we call two man coverage, meaningful snaps of that,
and in two man coverage you can really get physical,
you can undercut routes. In fact, on a third down play,
McDuffie played two man coverage versus debo about as well
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as you can possibly play it. It was almost teach
tape and he got underneath a dig ball and it
was an incompletion. You know, that's one reason. You know,
pressure was a big factor. Pressure takes away the ability
to sit in the pocket and read it through. You know,
you have to get rid of the ball quicker. So
you know, there's a number of reasons that I thought,
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and I think we talked about this last week. I
mentioned that the right side of the forty nine ers
oh line really struggles in one on one pass protection,
and that showed up in the game. I mean, there
was a meaningful part of this game where Purdy was
under pressure and just was not a comfortable player. But
I thought he persevered really well. When you got to
the fourth quarter. In overtime, he made throws, they moved
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the ball. The run game even started to become a
factor a bit later in the game. So you know,
the forty nine Ers did not lose this game because
of Rock Perdy. Let's remember one thing. The Chiefs only
scored two offensive touchdowns and one of them came after
the muff punt. So this was not, you know, a
game where where the Chiefs offense was dynamic throughout the game.
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They had a lot of slow stretches themselves.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah. I mean, let's end for the record, that's who
they were all year. They weren't dynamic against Ben. They
weren't dynamic against Martimore or Miami in the playoffs. What
did you make of Patrick mahomes performance overall? What's the
film say?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, I thought Mahomes you know, early in the game.
You know, I think what we have to come to
expect with Mahomes and this is just the way he plays,
and it's part of who he is is He's going
to leave the pocket early at times, He's going to
leave some throws on the field, He's going to make
special plays. To me, what makes Mahomes special one of
I mean there's multiple things, obviously, but I think a
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couple of things as his career has progressed really stand
out to me. Colin and number one, I think he's
become incredibly intelligent before the snap of the ball, and
I think the great ones are I think you know
that Tom Brady was a master at that. I think
he's become so good after the snap of the ball
and excuse me, before the snap. And I think the
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word instincts is overused, but I think that Mahomes has
such a feel for what's happening on the field situationally,
and a feel for movement. To me, his feel for
both the movement of his players and the movement of
the defense is really high level. And you know, and
again he moves when he doesn't have to, but he
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makes things happen when he does just because that spatial awareness.
So you know, again, it was a game because it
was so close and so hard fought and not allowed
of scoring where just a few plays became really important.
But I will say this, I mean he got lucky
a few times too. You know, he threw that that
fifty two yarder in the first half of ball. He
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never should have thrown. That ball should easily have been
intercepted by Gibson who for whatever reason lost awareness of
where he was on the field, lost awareness of the receiver,
well you know, lost awareness of the ball. But you know,
and then they scored the touchdown right after the muff punt,
which was a bust by the way in coverage. So
it was kind of a kind of an uninteresting first
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half and a super compelling second half in overtime.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So the Niners pass rush was highly effective in the
first half. Why and what did Kansas City do to adjust.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Well, it's funny you say that, because watching the tape,
I thought that they got around Mahomes, but they weren't
necessarily changing the way the game was played. And one
thing that the Chiefs clearly knew going into the game,
and they did this right from the start Collin is
they chipped both sides to help the right tackle Tailor
and the left tackle Donovan Smith. They did that throughout
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the game. That was a critical tactic for them because
they knew that those tackles could not hold up and
they were not going to allow the forty nine ers
pass rushers Bosa, Gregory, you know, the edge pass rushers
Young who had a sack beating beating Smith early in
the game. They were not going to allow them to
dictate the game. You know, I read where Bosa had
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twelve quarterback hits. I got to tell you, watching the tape,
it didn't come across as if Bosa was dictating the
game in any way, shape or form. And he obviously
played well, but I don't think that was a big
big factor in the way the game ultimately played out.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
So Mahomes eight for eight final drive, and I think,
by the way, I think Kansas City's defense is great,
but they do see this all the time in the NFL,
where a defense, especially a defensive front, dominates early and
then tires. There were one hundred and fifty total plays.
I thought the Niners at the end looked a little gassed.
In fact, I said yesterday one of the reasons I
got Kyle Shanahan taking the coin toss in overtime was
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his defense had been on the field for eleven plays
and they looked tired and Mahomes was moving. Yeah, and
I think that's the reality to pass rushes. You you
don't get four hours of relentless pressure. What impress What
impressed you most about Mahomes' final drive.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Well, I think what he did is and this is
a cliched statement, but it is true. Is I think
this is where the patients and the understanding of Mahomes
and just his overall intelligence about the game comes into play.
They were giving him early in that drive seven eight
yard throws, and you know what he was taking them.
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I mean, you know, if you're going to give him
those throws, those are good plays to take it, particularly
when you start a drive. I think the first play
was a seven or eight yard pass. That gets you
feeling good about the drive. You know. Then the Niners
started started to play a little bit more. They played
a snap of man coverage, but the forty nine ers,
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by structure of the defense through much of that overtime
period were giving Mahomes the quick underneath throw, you know.
It always it reminded me of Brady. I mean, how
many times through the years, Colin, have we seen Brady
If the defense is going to give him a six
yard ball, he takes the six yard ball and he
makes it second and four, and he just keeps doing
that until the defense wants to change. And then of
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course they did go zero on third and seven on
and he hit Rice for thirteen yards. That was a
really good, good read by Mahomes, really big play. And
then his nineteen yard run. And this was another example
where I thought the Niners just had a little bit
of an assignment mistake. They had a few too many
of those in the second half. He changed the game.
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They were in cover two and left the middle hole.
He was the middle hole defender to chase Rice on
the shallow crosser, and he shouldn't have done that, and
that opened the middle of the field from a homes
on the nineteen yarder and of course that touchdown to Hartman.
You know, everybody talks about it being a similar play
to last year against the Eagles, which it was similar,
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but it was really a well designed concept that distorted
the coverage responsibility of both the corner Ward and the
linebacker and the slot Ryan. It really caused a problem
for both those guys. The way it was mapped out,
it was beautifully designed.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, we're watching it right here. What did the Chiefs
do differently to unleash Travis Kelsey in the second half?
What did they do?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I don't think they did anything differently. They just got
particular coverages where Kelsey was a factor. They got Cover
one where Gibson all season long, Gibson has been the
man coverage defender, the safety Gibson on the ty when
they play Cover one, and and they hit him on
an out round for sixteen yards. As I recall, he
hit Kelsey, and then of course he hit him on
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that big play which will break down momentarily on that
big play late in the in the fourth quarter. So,
you know, I think it's just in zone. I thought
that the forty nine ers had a really good feel
for the route concepts and got eyes on Kelsey. A
lot of times it looked like a double, but it
was zoned, so it wasn't necessarily double. They just understood
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the route concepts really really well, which didn't surprise me.
And then you had some some you know, man coverage concepts.
You know, when they went with cover one robber or
two man. Warner was the matchup because the two safeties
were part of the deeper coverage. So there was just
it's just the way the game played out in terms
of the coverages they got, and the forty nine ers
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did not belitch one time in the first half, but
they started to be a little more aggressive in the
second half with their both their coverage and their pressures,
and that presented some opportunities for Kelsey.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Finally, the big play is Mahomes to Kelsey for twenty
two yards. Let's diagram that.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, let's jump into it now. This play was fascinating
to me colin a number of reasons. As we look
at this was late in the fourth quarter that set
up the field goal, and the reason it was fascinating
to me is it was third and seven. Okay, the
Niners are not a high percentage man coverage defense. But
yet what struck me here is you see Mahomes in
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the gun. First of all, they were in twelve personnel
on third and seven. They had two tight ends on
the field, one back, two tight ends. And what was
really interesting is the Niners plate man coverage third and seven.
And what they did here is they played what we
call cover one robber, So they had Gibson drop into
the middle as the robber and the other safety go deep.
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And what the Chiefs did is they ran a man beater.
It's as if they knew they were going to get
man from a team that doesn't play a lot of man.
And this blew me away watching the tape, and you're
going to get the mesh concept, which is two shallow
crosses mirrored shallow crosses. Gray did a great job of
forcing Warner to slow down and he hit Kelsey. But
I was just fascinating. This is to me the chess
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match would work. Colin. How did the Chiefs really anticipate
that they were going to get man coverage because they
called a man beat a route concept. Yet that's what
they got and it turned out to set up obviously
the game time field goal.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Greg co Sell post Super Bowl. Good to see. As always,
it was a fun chess match and not shocking. Mahomes
ends up the winner, as he's prone to do in
these big spots. Greg will break down some draft stuff
over the next month and a half. Can't wait to
talk to you again.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
All right, Colin, appreciate it, Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
You bet. I was talking to Greg during the commercial break.
It's interesting he's got he's already got six seven games
in on some of these college quarterbacks. He didn't like
all of them. Very interesting. For the record, during the
co Cell situation there the spot I was thinking of you,
Steve Wilkes on more than one occasion, Greg Cosell said, Yeah,
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kind of strange coverage here. Don't know why the Niners
are doing that here. Defensively, it was never offense. It
was about the defense. He defended the offense with Purdy.
But on more than one occasion, remember, Kyle had to
blow a time out because at one point Wilkes had
a defense out that he thought was too obvious, so
he had to blow a time out.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
If you want to get granular, and I love what
Cosell said there.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Wilkes did a great job. Early, Mahomes struggled. We articulated
first nine possessions, two field goals. Mahomes then figured it
out and Wilkes stayed on brand.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
And that does not work against Mahomes. He's too smart.
And I like what he said.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I am curious on the quarterbacks because I wasn't listening.
I wasn't here JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I am not giving away nuggets. It's very interesting. I
asked him about three quarterbacks and his opinion on two
was exactly what I feel, and the opinion on the
third is undefined. But it's oh for years and years Greg.
The minute the Super Bowl's over, Greg will go to
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college guys and so in about three weeks to a month,
Greg will send me a folder. He does this every
year and gives me his rundown of the top quarterbacks,
offensive tackles, running backs, and receivers. So I've I've gotten
this seven eight years with Greg. So it helps me
as I talk about him, if I make calls to
executives and ask questions. But Greg's always been good. I
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get a folder in the mail, and it is remarkable
how accurate he is with my scouts and GMS. It's
always always spot off.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I'll say this.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Remember during the season, I said this McCarthy kid could
go top ten, and initially you were like, oh, that's interesting,
and then the stats petered out and he wasn't looking good,
and somebody came in here, I'm not going to name
the guest and told us during the break in. Another
reporter at another network said, McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Top ten this week. Look Out. All the aggregators picked
it up.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
I'm just sometimes first impressions, Colin, what we saw during
the season gets in our head and we're like, I
like this, and then you get all this time and
you get all this noise and it kind of colors
your vision of what you see. Just remember we loved
Michael Pennocks during the season.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I'm not coming off that. I know a lot of
people are saying he's not first round.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now I like him too.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
We got to stick to our guns on this. McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
No, I've told you, I've told you before. I think
Caleb's the most talented, but needs to be coached. I
think Drake may is second most talented. Has some Herbert.
I like bow Nicks more than others. I like Pennix too.
I don't get JJ McCarthy and I'm worried about Jade
and Daniel's building.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
So do you go Nix as your third quarterback?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I don't know, but I think I think bow Nicks
works in a demanding offensive system, which would be Sean Payton,
which would be McVeigh. In a demanding offensive system. Bow Knicks,
who is coachable and experienced, he needs the right system.
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He's not good enough to overcome, you know, Klunky Belichickian
allergic to offense coaching. I think Knicks needs the right coach.
But I if I'm Denver, this is my take. If
I'm the Denver Broncos and bow Knicks is available, I'll
make the argument that Sean Peyton and bow Knicks compliment
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each other. And I've told you the compound Knicks has
been Drew Brees for accuracy, coachability, and early movement. Breeze
was a better mover than people think. Early later he wasn't.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
So you're not gonna get mad at me for this, Okay,
the audience should know.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Listen closely.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Everybody.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Cowherd mentions bo Nicks, and then he mentions two teams
and two coaches.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Think who's coward?
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Like?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Who does he talk to who what means they pop up?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Just think, Listen closely, people, people just listen to please
the bread crumbs together.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
These are accusations I want to confirm nor deny.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Just you guys listen. We got a big audience, a
lot of people. Listen closely.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
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Speaker 6 (22:59):
I think this is low key the most fascinating story
of the day. So according to The Athletic, the Dallas
Mavericks tried to get Kyle Kuzma at the trade deadline
from the Wizards.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Now, I know you thinking, Kyle Kuzman, no big deal.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
He's having a great year in Washington, taking a lot
of shots, the career high end points, all that stuff. However,
in the article, Kuzma says that Washington's GM came up
to him about the deal, and Kuzma said, I'm good.
I don't want to go to Dallas. I want to
stay in Washington. The Wizards, by the way, have nine wins.
They're one of the worst teams in the league. Winger
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the GM said that Kuzma said he already had a
championship ring and he'd rather build something in Washington. Colin
just we've talked about the struggles of American basketball players
in the NBA in recent years. Yeah, you're telling me
you would rather stay on a loser in Washington.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
They're going nowhere fast, they're not.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Building anything in the next two three years. To go
to Dallas a legit contender with Luka Doncon and Kyrie
Irving and maybe make a run at the championship.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
I'm stunned that Kuzma.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
If this is the height of selfishness, this is I
want to get my buckets, I want.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
To jack my shots. Well, I'm floored by this.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Well, if he told the GM I've got my ring,
then he probably wants his thing, which is points and money. Well,
he got the contract getting the ball. If you're playing
with Luke and Kyrie, you get no big shots late, none, zero. Ever,
you're not getting the ball, you're not getting a look,
you're not getting to play design, you're not getting something
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out of a timeout. You're getting none of it. And
he probably wants to be kind of a centerpiece for
a Washington team to get.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
His to get what his shots. And I want to
lose games because that's what you do. I would rather
be this alpha scorer on a crap team up to
Cellar Dweller than be contending and playing.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Meaning wouldn't I think when you play in these long season,
regular season sports like hockey, basketball and baseball, I'd rather
win games. It's a miserable existence. But not everybody. I mean,
Kyle Kuzman's like, I got some money, I got my ring.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I'm good. He's twenty eight years old. This is really bad, man.
I don't know how you don't think this is the
worst look for Kuzma.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, I don't think it's a great look for Kuzma.
But I think what I'm predicting projecting here that Kuzma's
just saying, hey, man, I'm getting I'm finally allowed to
take some shots and look at all my numbers. I
don't want to go to Dallas and be the third
offensive option. He's finally scoring. He's saying, for years Lebron
didn't like me, give me shots, all score.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
So he is what happened when he was a role
player with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, he had a good bubble playoffs and they won
the championship.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yes, let me ask you this, and I'm not disagreeing
with you in premise. But Kyle Kuzma, most great athletes,
most athletes think they're better than they are, right, everybody's
got a sense of I'm a little better than I am.
So Kuzma's finally kind of a go to guy and
he's putting up all these numbers. He's like, I don't
want to go back a role guy. I've been a
role guy. I got a ring out of it. I
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don't like being a role guy. I want to be
that guy. Bradley Beale for years, stayed in Washington. He's like,
I'm a star here. I don't want to be the
third guy now. Eventually, well, no, eventually, after getting his points,
his accolades, and his money, He's like, now I want
to win. Well, Kuzma is saying, I wonder early I
was a role guy and now I'm a star, and
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I like that way more. I can defend somebody on that.
It's not like Kuzma has always been on bad teams.
He was on good teams and a role player. How
was that he didn't like it?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
I don't like winning. So it's funny.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I talked about this on my podcast. NBC calls me up,
j Mac. We want to build a show around you.
We want to make you a star. Look at all
the takes. I'm on a winning team here, Well, I'm
a role player on a winning team one of the
best shows.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
The teams that that dominating.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
That is It's like, that is how you view it.
I want to win well. I don't think you can
do sports and TV. I think what it comes down
to is Kuzma got a ring as a role player.
But also Lebron's like, yeah, get him out of here.
Kuzma's like, I want to be a guy where a
guy just can't say if I have a bad night
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with Luca, and Luca wakes up in the morning and like,
get Kuzma out of here. He goes, I've been through
that experience. I don't like that experience. I get it
like Luca's gonna get what he wants, including trades, acquisitions, shots,
and opinion. Kuzma's like, yeah, I played with one of
those guys and we won, and they ship me out
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of town. I'm stunted.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
All right, let's move on Kyle Shanahan. Let's get to
overtime for the Super Bowl. Fullback Kyle Yuschek admitted after
the game he didn't know the new overtime rules. There's
video circulating right now on social media viet saying, oh,
even if we scored, they get the ball.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
This is like on the field, He's defending his coach, however,
saying people are just looking for a way to poop
emoji on Kyle Shanahan Colin.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I don't know. I can't kill Shanahan for this.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I didn't yesterday.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
I think people just don't like him because he's labeled
a genius as well.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
What Andy and Kyle both did, It's been reported they
went in the organization to their analytic mavens and said,
explain the options here, and so Andy said, I would
have taken it second and gone for two, So which
would have been fascinating if the Niners. If Andy would
have taken it second party scores a touchdown, Andy would
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have gone for a touchdown, scored it, and gone for
the two. And if it didn't work, would be would
be crushing Andy Reid today having mahomes and then putting
the game into one play. You'd rather just keep doing it.
So my takeaway is both coaches knew it. Players sort
of had to. Some of them learn it on the fly,
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but that's okay. That's why they created GPS so he
wouldn't have to be on the fly in or car.
My entire life, when I would drive somewhere, I didn't
have directions. I'd write them down and I kind of
made it up as I go. Then they created GPS,
Google things like that. Though we don't have to be
on the fly all the time. But I think in
sports it's okay sometimes to be like, hey, hey, so
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remember if we score, because remember the officials announced it.
Everybody talked about The officials said loud and clear, it's
a new game. They explained all the rules. Then you
go back to the sideline and the coaches slowly in
the players quickly kind of figure it out and talk
about it.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
I mean, I still think he made the right call.
I would want the ball first. I'm Kyle Sinnahan. I
could dial up amazing place. By the way, they would
right down the field where it could have.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Had a team play drive it works. Kyle's like their
defense is probably as gassed as ours. I trust all
my great players, Brocks playing fine. I don't want to
have to face Mahomes twice, potentially. I'd rather face him
once and let me get my defense arrest and it worked.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Let's not factor in. Let's say Mahomes does get a
touchdown with the ball. For now, you have Brock Purdy,
a second year quarterback behind the eight ball. You have
to get a touchdown or we lose. That's a lot
of pressure in overtime.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
And and Kansas City's hyper aggressive defensive coordinator. Now you
get four plays, but they're coming out, they're pinning their
ears back. If you have to score a touchdown, I'm
going for negative play.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
By the way, I think McCaffrey becomes a little more
removed if you're down seven, like the threat of a run.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Hey, we'll give you two three yards. I don't know.
I still think Shenan Maiden right called a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I've never been done before, so there's no precedent and
I think you can certainly argue both.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Yeah, final story, let's get to back to the quarterbacks
in the draft. Michael Pennix will be a name to
keep an eye on as we approach the draft. The
lefty drew a lot of attention by leading the Huskies
to the Natty before losing to Michigan. Former Bucks head
coach Bruce Arians told the Tampa Bay Times that he
loves Pennix, particularly the tape against Texas in the semifinal
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when he was unbelievable. Colin Tampa is at twenty sixth
in the draft.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I think the Pennix numbers here this season.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean he was signed Baker for two year deal.
Get Penix, Let him build himself up. It's non terror yeer, No,
it's not terrible.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
I don't think he gets to twenty sixty.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
See, you and I are under the same belief, which
is like, let me throw this say yet and people
say those injuries at Indiana. I just watched him play
like thirty games of Washington. He didn't get hurt. He
got hit there too. Those injuries all right, Anthony Richards,
and he got hurt. Look at how many quarterbacks got hurt.
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If you're sitting around not drafting people, it'd be one
thing if you have the number one pick and it's
like a great player. But like I always thought, Sam
Bradford when he was the number one Sam Bradford, he
got hurt in college, and I'm like, that worries me
number one pick. But if you're starting to get down
to twenty twenty four, twenty five, that's no man's land
in the draft. The first sixteen to eighteen players, all
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gms will tell you this, those guys are different players, physically, different, speed, different.
Then from about eighteen to nineteen to the top of
the third round, most guys have second round grades, so
that it's a little bit of a graveyard end of
the first round. Now, sometimes you hit Ale Lamar Jackson,
but a lot of times those players are viewed it's
kind of second round talents and you have them. Let
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me tell you something, that's where I have no problem
taking a flyer on a super gifted quarterback with a
little injury history. Top ten, Top one, No late first,
no problem, roll the dice in a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
I would I don't know if it's possible.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Is there a way like a scout would come on
this show and give us unvarnished truths on Pennix because
you know a lot of the stuff, the negative stuff
you read is anonymously in.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
The Washington is God.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
I want to hear worth the negative. Okay, we got it,
the injury history and the eighth I get it. But
I want to know what's the can he not make?
And apparently there's a layered throw in between the corner
and the safety that he struggled to make, apparently in
the fact goal. But I just want to know what
he cannot do because I look at the tape on
this guy.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
What can he do? He's doing everything out there.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I watched him, so I watched. When I watched bow
Nix and Pennock's play, I went Husky Stadium and I
did this on purpose. So I first watched. I went
down to the field in pregame, watched him warm up,
look at his size big. Then I went and sat
at the forty yard line with my friend and then
we went to the end zone. So I saw some
field stuff I saw forty yard line and then I
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went end zone, and the stuff that was really impressive
to me on Pennix was the end zone stuff because
a lot of this stuff was not schemed up. Bo
Nix's completions were largely schemed up first or second. Pennix
was moving that head to his third and his fourth.
So the kid clearly sees the field and throws a
devastatingly beautiful deep ball. Now he has very good res
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but Pennix's ability, to me, which was impressive, is that
to go to a second and a third receiver regularly
and could sprinkle the ball all over the field underneath
steam routes, corner post I thought when I watched him
from the end zone, I was like, Wow, that is
a that is a big time first round college quarterback.
I don't that's what it looked like to me.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
I don't see how a guy like Mike McDaniel cannot
consider Michael Pennix to my eye.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
So now he's twenty four years old, he's got two
ACL tears, yeah, and a couple of shoulders.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
And not great. But we saw what Miami did.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
Tua had the concussions right, not two years ago, they
had made adjustments, protected him, got the ball out.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Quicker Tua was injury free this year.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
We ask ask yourself this, like we let's say you
took Pennick and you got you played him and you
got two very good years. Could you and I have
both been under the oppression you should probably draft quarterback
every year, every other year. I mean even when Brady
was in his prime, New England every other year drafted
a quarterback. Didn't work, but they tried. So let's say
Pennix gives you two and a half years and you're like,
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you won some games, you sold some tickets, He made
you viable, and in that process you drafted another quarterback.
I can live with it. Not everybody's a four oh
one k. I don't need every player. The average NFL
career is six years. If you give you me excellent
for three with Pennix and then he wears down physically
and I'm bad today, I'll take it. I don't want
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my staff fired. I don't want another GM, another coach.
What you can't be in the NFL is chaotic at quarterback.
Michael Pennix, you won't be chaotic at quarterback. I would
present grown up like a mixture guy like some of these,
A lot of stars, a lot of stars, multiple coaches.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Any way, you tell me people are willing to take
a chance on Zach Wilson and Trey Lance and Michael
Pennox is not a first round pick.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
That's freaking insanity.
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Well saw this story this morning. Michigan makes NFL history
sending a record number of players to the draft. Combine,
eighteen players from Michigan received an invitation as Harball predicted
a year ago to Indianapolis and the combine, the last
three years have probably been the best three years of
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Michigan football in forever, at least in succession. But losing
eighteen juniors and seniors who are not only talented but
the heart of the leadership, combined with losing Harbaugh, who
crafted and curated the leadership, I think it's going to
be a rough couple of years for Michigan. You got
to curate that culture. It's like gardening. You got to
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weed it and water it and replant it, and it
goes away fast. And this was the greatest Michigan harvest ever.
But folks, Oregon's a top ten program. They've entered the
Big ten. Washington's a top fifteen program, believe it or not.
USC and Lincoln Riley they'll be pretty good. Not to mention,
Ohio State got Chip Kelly. They'll be better indisputably. So
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I think that rivalry will flip very very quickly. And
you know, US I defended I defended Michigan to the
end of the earth. But people didn't like Brian Kelly.
But his last couple of years at Notre Dame, they
went eleven to one and ten and two and went
toe to toe with Georgia. All those players remained. They
hired a very smart popular assistant. They lost seven games
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in the last two years. They're competitive, but they're not
winning those close games. And you didn't know love Brian
Kelly because he was rough, and you didn't know his
love Harbaugh because he's equally rough. But I do think
if you look at the schedule for Michigan Boy, that
they didn't get any breaks on this. They open up
early with Texas, who has maybe the best roster in
the country, along with Ohio State coming back. So that
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second game is Texas and again Sark that quarterback, that
old line. That is a rough out of conference game.
Then they have to face USC in that offense a
couple of weeks later. Then it's at Washington, one of
the toughest places to play, a couple of weeks later
rival Michigan State. Then it's Oregon, and then they finish
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at Ohio State. That is a rough schedule. As you
lose eighteen players invited to Indianapolis, you're losing a lot
of leadership and proximity to greatness does not equal greatness.
The popular assistant, though always the choice that makes the
players and administrators happy because there's familiarity does not work
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very often. So my guess is it's going to be
a pretty rough sled for Michigan this year. You're going
to see Ohio State, which I think will be, along
with Texas and Georgia, the three best teams in the country.
I think you'll see Ohio State with a bounce thanks
to Chip Kelly and that talent, and I think you're
gonna see Michigan go down pretty quickly. I understood the choice,
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but I said before, the popular choice with players is
rarely the right choice. They like a love former player
Deshaun Foster at ucla very popular choice. He may work,
and I don't think it's a bad higher. But you
know the coach that's a little rough sometimes at college,
a little rough around the edges, Brian Kelly's Harbaugh. They leave,
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things do not stay the same. They just it's it's
proximity to it, doesn't he call it. J Mack can't
wait for college football, and those Michigan games are biggies,
big eas.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
I don't have the exact number of staff members from
Michigan who left, but it's more than just hardball. There
was I think like two or three, maybe four guys
who left the staff, the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Yeah, big losses.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
A lot of leadership walks right out.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
That there will be a four loss season for the
Wolverine very easily.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
And Big ten's not bad despite forget the additions. It's
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
There are times of recency bias, confirmation bias. You're trying
to confirm your take of you specifically or something just happened.
I do think with Patrick Mahomes, not just because they won,
but if you just go look at this playoff run
minus twenty seven degrees at Buffalo at Baltimore. Great second
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half against the Niners defense that played with their hair
on fire. He's pretty remarkable. I saw this number. Patrick,
Mahomes as an underdog is eleven one in one against
the spread. Vegas doesn't even know what to do with him.
Vegas can't figure him out. So what really separates Mahomes
from everybody else? And he's only been a starter for
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six years. He wins in so many ways. So first
of all, in division, it's insane. He's seventeen and one
on the road in division. Okay, he's thirty and five overall,
So in division is numbers don't make any sense. He's
ten and three is an underdog in his career, mostly
road games. He's nine and two straight up in the
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playoff when trailing by a touchdown or more. He's the
only quarterback ever regular season in playoffs with a winning
record when he trails by ten or more points. Location
doesn't matter, score opponent, regular season playoffs don't matter. And
to give this some context, in the regular season, in
the playoffs, Mahomes has a winning record when trailing by
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ten or more. I'll give you context. Dan Marino is
as talented as anybody I've seen play quarterback and had
two Hall of Fame coaches Jimmy Johnson and Don Shula.
Great coaching, great teammates two Hall of Fame coaches, unbelievable
all time talent. His record when trailing by ten or
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more is twenty nine and seventy five. Joe Montana with
arguably the greatest coach most of us have ever seen,
Bill Walsh, when trailing by ten or more seventeen and
twenty nine. Mahomes as an underdog on the road, trailing
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by a touchdown, regular season playoffs, trailing by ten in division,
out of division rivalry games, there's just nothing like it.
Here was Andy Reid talking to Peter King this week
about the greatness.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
He makes the difficult look easy, and it's at the
highest possible level in the whole world. It's only thirty
two of him the whole world, and he's the special
of the special. So I think that's great. I watched
Tom Brady turn the keys over to him, which was cool.
Tom said, Hey, this is your league now, man.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, I don't think it's recency bias. Vegas can't figure
him out deficits playoffs, cold warm, division, out of it road,
doesn't matter, indoors, out doors, he breaks everything. And for
the record, he just moved into his prime year six
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as a starter. Now situationally got Alex Smith as a
mentor and he reid great ga not denying that, but
he is in the AFC, which is a tougher conference.
He's had to go through Lamar and a Herbert and
a Josh Allen, so he got the tougher conference. I
don't think that's disputable. Forty four years at NFL films,
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Greg co cell stops bot. Now we'll use Greg a
lot during the draft. But we're gonna look back at
this game, and I said, I thought it was a
game in which San Francisco sometimes you just don't get
good luck. Kansas City fumbled five times, they recovered four
of them. There was a play a star linebacker for
San Francisco got hurt running into the game. It was like,
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it wasn't the lucky at San Francisco day. I think
their special teams hurt them, but there are in special
specific mone you just don't get the luck some days.
Over the course of a career, your choices, your decisions
as a team, and a coach, well kind of you
know you'll move beyond luck. It wasn't the luckiest day
for the Niners. They got it against Detroit ball off
a face mask a pick trailing twenty four to ten
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becomes a catch. They got luck that day. They didn't Sunday.
Let's go back to brock Pretty overall, I thought he
was very composed early, and I didn't think he would
be based on age and experience. What did the film
say on brock perty.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I thought overall he played very solid football. I thought
he had a rough third quarter. I thought there was
stretch in the third quarter where he just didn't see
things as clearly as were used to him doing so,
made a few late throws, a couple of poor reids,
But overall, I thought he played really solid football. Don't
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forget he played against the defense that's really difficult to
play against. I mean, the defining feature of Spag's defense
in this game was pressure. They pressured him on about
fifty percent of his dropbacks, and they played a ton
of man coverage, and they played press man. So they
did not make it easy, which is one reason why
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you didn't see as many of the timing throws, the
anticipation throws that were used to seeing from the Niners,
because often routes were disrupted closer to the line of scrimmage.
Snead and McDuffie played very physically off the ball, but
overall I thought that Perdy played a really solid game. Look, Colin,
I think if anyone said going into this game that
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Purdy would have fewer turnovers than Patrick Mahomes, you would
have thought that the Niners would have win the game.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Now, by the way, Deebo Kittlin Ayuk didn't do much again,
play calling, scheme or just excellent defense. Because those three,
if you'd have told me, yeah, those three aren't going
to do anything, I would have said, Sanford justco is
going to get hammered, and they didn't, and they control
much of it. But again, is that just on the
press coverage or their openings for those guys.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
No, I think there are a number of factors involved.
First of all, there was a lot of press coverage
and number one, number two, the Chiefs played a lot
of what we call two man coverage, meaningful snaps of that,
and in two man coverage you can really get physical,
you can undercut routes. In fact, on a third down play,
McDuffie played two man coverage versus debo about as well
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as you can possibly play it. It was almost teach
tape and he got underneath a dig ball and it
was an incompletion. You know, that's one reason. You know,
pressure was a big factor. Pressure takes away the ability
to sit in the pocket and read it through. You know,
you have to get rid of the ball quicker. So
you know, there's a number of reasons that I thought,
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and I think we talked about this last week. I
mentioned that the right side of the forty nine ers
oh line really struggles in one on one pass protection,
and that showed up in the game. I mean, there
was a meaningful part of this game where Purdy was
under pressure and just was not a comfortable player. But
I thought he persevered really well. When you got to
the fourth quarter. In overtime, he made throws, they moved
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the ball. The run game even started to become a
factor a bit later in the game. So you know,
the forty nine Ers did not lose this game because
of Rock Perdy. Let's remember one thing. The Chiefs only
scored two offensive touchdowns and one of them came after
the muff punt. So this was not, you know, a
game where where the Chiefs offense was dynamic throughout the game.
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They had a lot of slow stretches themselves.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah. I mean, let's end for the record, that's who
they were all year. They weren't dynamic against Ben. They
weren't dynamic against Martimore or Miami in the playoffs. What
did you make of Patrick mahomes performance overall? What's the
film say?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, I thought Mahomes you know, early in the game.
You know, I think what we have to come to
expect with Mahomes and this is just the way he plays,
and it's part of who he is is He's going
to leave the pocket early at times, He's going to
leave some throws on the field, He's going to make
special plays. To me, what makes Mahomes special one of
I mean there's multiple things, obviously, but I think a
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couple of things as his career has progressed really stand
out to me. Colin and number one, I think he's
become incredibly intelligent before the snap of the ball, and
I think the great ones are I think you know
that Tom Brady was a master at that. I think
he's become so good after the snap of the ball
and excuse me, before the snap. And I think the
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word instincts is overused, but I think that Mahomes has
such a feel for what's happening on the field situationally,
and a feel for movement. To me, his feel for
both the movement of his players and the movement of
the defense is really high level. And you know, and
again he moves when he doesn't have to, but he
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makes things happen when he does just because that spatial awareness.
So you know, again, it was a game because it
was so close and so hard fought and not allowed
of scoring where just a few plays became really important.
But I will say this, I mean he got lucky
a few times too. You know, he threw that that
fifty two yarder in the first half of ball. He
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never should have thrown. That ball should easily have been
intercepted by Gibson who for whatever reason lost awareness of
where he was on the field, lost awareness of the receiver,
well you know, lost awareness of the ball. But you know,
and then they scored the touchdown right after the muff punt,
which was a bust by the way in coverage. So
it was kind of a kind of an uninteresting first
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half and a super compelling second half in overtime.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So the Niners pass rush was highly effective in the
first half. Why and what did Kansas City do to adjust.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Well, it's funny you say that, because watching the tape,
I thought that they got around Mahomes, but they weren't
necessarily changing the way the game was played. And one
thing that the Chiefs clearly knew going into the game,
and they did this right from the start Collin is
they chipped both sides to help the right tackle Tailor
and the left tackle Donovan Smith. They did that throughout
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the game. That was a critical tactic for them because
they knew that those tackles could not hold up and
they were not going to allow the forty nine ers
pass rushers Bosa, Gregory, you know, the edge pass rushers
Young who had a sack beating beating Smith early in
the game. They were not going to allow them to
dictate the game. You know, I read where Bosa had
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twelve quarterback hits. I got to tell you, watching the tape,
it didn't come across as if Bosa was dictating the
game in any way, shape or form. And he obviously
played well, but I don't think that was a big
big factor in the way the game ultimately played out.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
So Mahomes eight for eight final drive, and I think,
by the way, I think Kansas City's defense is great,
but they do see this all the time in the NFL,
where a defense, especially a defensive front, dominates early and
then tires. There were one hundred and fifty total plays.
I thought the Niners at the end looked a little gassed.
In fact, I said yesterday one of the reasons I
got Kyle Shanahan taking the coin toss in overtime was
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his defense had been on the field for eleven plays
and they looked tired and Mahomes was moving. Yeah, and
I think that's the reality to pass rushes. You you
don't get four hours of relentless pressure. What impress What
impressed you most about Mahomes' final drive.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Well, I think what he did is and this is
a cliched statement, but it is true. Is I think
this is where the patients and the understanding of Mahomes
and just his overall intelligence about the game comes into play.
They were giving him early in that drive seven eight
yard throws, and you know what he was taking them.
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I mean, you know, if you're going to give him
those throws, those are good plays to take it, particularly
when you start a drive. I think the first play
was a seven or eight yard pass. That gets you
feeling good about the drive. You know. Then the Niners
started started to play a little bit more. They played
a snap of man coverage, but the forty nine ers,
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by structure of the defense through much of that overtime
period were giving Mahomes the quick underneath throw, you know.
It always it reminded me of Brady. I mean, how
many times through the years, Colin, have we seen Brady
If the defense is going to give him a six
yard ball, he takes the six yard ball and he
makes it second and four, and he just keeps doing
that until the defense wants to change. And then of
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course they did go zero on third and seven on
and he hit Rice for thirteen yards. That was a
really good, good read by Mahomes, really big play. And
then his nineteen yard run. And this was another example
where I thought the Niners just had a little bit
of an assignment mistake. They had a few too many
of those in the second half. He changed the game.
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They were in cover two and left the middle hole.
He was the middle hole defender to chase Rice on
the shallow crosser, and he shouldn't have done that, and
that opened the middle of the field from a homes
on the nineteen yarder and of course that touchdown to Hartman.
You know, everybody talks about it being a similar play
to last year against the Eagles, which it was similar,
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but it was really a well designed concept that distorted
the coverage responsibility of both the corner Ward and the
linebacker and the slot Ryan. It really caused a problem
for both those guys. The way it was mapped out,
it was beautifully designed.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, we're watching it right here. What did the Chiefs
do differently to unleash Travis Kelsey in the second half?
What did they do?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I don't think they did anything differently. They just got
particular coverages where Kelsey was a factor. They got Cover
one where Gibson all season long, Gibson has been the
man coverage defender, the safety Gibson on the ty when
they play Cover one, and and they hit him on
an out round for sixteen yards. As I recall, he
hit Kelsey, and then of course he hit him on
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that big play which will break down momentarily on that
big play late in the in the fourth quarter. So,
you know, I think it's just in zone. I thought
that the forty nine ers had a really good feel
for the route concepts and got eyes on Kelsey. A
lot of times it looked like a double, but it
was zoned, so it wasn't necessarily double. They just understood
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the route concepts really really well, which didn't surprise me.
And then you had some some you know, man coverage concepts.
You know, when they went with cover one robber or
two man. Warner was the matchup because the two safeties
were part of the deeper coverage. So there was just
it's just the way the game played out in terms
of the coverages they got, and the forty nine ers
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did not belitch one time in the first half, but
they started to be a little more aggressive in the
second half with their both their coverage and their pressures,
and that presented some opportunities for Kelsey.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Finally, the big play is Mahomes to Kelsey for twenty
two yards. Let's diagram that.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, let's jump into it now. This play was fascinating
to me colin a number of reasons. As we look
at this was late in the fourth quarter that set
up the field goal, and the reason it was fascinating
to me is it was third and seven. Okay, the
Niners are not a high percentage man coverage defense. But
yet what struck me here is you see Mahomes in
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the gun. First of all, they were in twelve personnel
on third and seven. They had two tight ends on
the field, one back, two tight ends. And what was
really interesting is the Niners plate man coverage third and seven.
And what they did here is they played what we
call cover one robber, So they had Gibson drop into
the middle as the robber and the other safety go deep.
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And what the Chiefs did is they ran a man beater.
It's as if they knew they were going to get
man from a team that doesn't play a lot of man.
And this blew me away watching the tape, and you're
going to get the mesh concept, which is two shallow
crosses mirrored shallow crosses. Gray did a great job of
forcing Warner to slow down and he hit Kelsey. But
I was just fascinating. This is to me the chess
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match would work. Colin. How did the Chiefs really anticipate
that they were going to get man coverage because they
called a man beat a route concept. Yet that's what
they got and it turned out to set up obviously
the game time field goal.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Greg co Sell post Super Bowl. Good to see. As always,
it was a fun chess match and not shocking. Mahomes
ends up the winner, as he's prone to do in
these big spots. Greg will break down some draft stuff
over the next month and a half. Can't wait to
talk to you again.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
All right, Colin, appreciate it, Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
You bet. I was talking to Greg during the commercial break.
It's interesting he's got he's already got six seven games
in on some of these college quarterbacks. He didn't like
all of them. Very interesting. For the record, during the
co Cell situation there the spot I was thinking of you,
Steve Wilkes on more than one occasion, Greg Cosell said, Yeah,
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kind of strange coverage here. Don't know why the Niners
are doing that here. Defensively, it was never offense. It
was about the defense. He defended the offense with Purdy.
But on more than one occasion, remember, Kyle had to
blow a time out because at one point Wilkes had
a defense out that he thought was too obvious, so
he had to blow a time out.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
If you want to get granular, and I love what
Cosell said there.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Wilkes did a great job. Early, Mahomes struggled. We articulated
first nine possessions, two field goals. Mahomes then figured it
out and Wilkes stayed on brand.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
And that does not work against Mahomes. He's too smart.
And I like what he said.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I am curious on the quarterbacks because I wasn't listening.
I wasn't here JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I am not giving away nuggets. It's very interesting. I
asked him about three quarterbacks and his opinion on two
was exactly what I feel, and the opinion on the
third is undefined. But it's oh for years and years Greg.
The minute the Super Bowl's over, Greg will go to
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college guys and so in about three weeks to a month,
Greg will send me a folder. He does this every
year and gives me his rundown of the top quarterbacks,
offensive tackles, running backs, and receivers. So I've I've gotten
this seven eight years with Greg. So it helps me
as I talk about him, if I make calls to
executives and ask questions. But Greg's always been good. I
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get a folder in the mail, and it is remarkable
how accurate he is with my scouts and GMS. It's
always always spot off.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I'll say this.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Remember during the season, I said this McCarthy kid could
go top ten, and initially you were like, oh, that's interesting,
and then the stats petered out and he wasn't looking good,
and somebody came in here, I'm not going to name
the guest and told us during the break in. Another
reporter at another network said, McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Top ten this week. Look Out. All the aggregators picked
it up.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
I'm just sometimes first impressions, Colin, what we saw during
the season gets in our head and we're like, I
like this, and then you get all this time and
you get all this noise and it kind of colors
your vision of what you see. Just remember we loved
Michael Pennocks during the season.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I'm not coming off that. I know a lot of
people are saying he's not first round.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now I like him too.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
We got to stick to our guns on this. McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
No, I've told you, I've told you before. I think
Caleb's the most talented, but needs to be coached. I
think Drake may is second most talented. Has some Herbert.
I like bow Nicks more than others. I like Pennix too.
I don't get JJ McCarthy and I'm worried about Jade
and Daniel's building.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
So do you go Nix as your third quarterback?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I don't know, but I think I think bow Nicks
works in a demanding offensive system, which would be Sean Payton,
which would be McVeigh. In a demanding offensive system. Bow Knicks,
who is coachable and experienced, he needs the right system.
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He's not good enough to overcome, you know, Klunky Belichickian
allergic to offense coaching. I think Knicks needs the right coach.
But I if I'm Denver, this is my take. If
I'm the Denver Broncos and bow Knicks is available, I'll
make the argument that Sean Peyton and bow Knicks compliment
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each other. And I've told you the compound Knicks has
been Drew Brees for accuracy, coachability, and early movement. Breeze
was a better mover than people think. Early later he wasn't.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
So you're not gonna get mad at me for this, Okay,
the audience should know.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Listen closely.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Everybody.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Cowherd mentions bo Nicks, and then he mentions two teams
and two coaches.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Think who's coward?
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Like?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Who does he talk to who what means they pop up?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Just think, Listen closely, people, people just listen to please
the bread crumbs together.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
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Speaker 5 (22:14):
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Speaker 6 (22:59):
I think this is low key the most fascinating story
of the day. So according to The Athletic, the Dallas
Mavericks tried to get Kyle Kuzma at the trade deadline
from the Wizards.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Now, I know you thinking, Kyle Kuzman, no big deal.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
He's having a great year in Washington, taking a lot
of shots, the career high end points, all that stuff. However,
in the article, Kuzma says that Washington's GM came up
to him about the deal, and Kuzma said, I'm good.
I don't want to go to Dallas. I want to
stay in Washington. The Wizards, by the way, have nine wins.
They're one of the worst teams in the league. Winger
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the GM said that Kuzma said he already had a
championship ring and he'd rather build something in Washington. Colin
just we've talked about the struggles of American basketball players
in the NBA in recent years. Yeah, you're telling me
you would rather stay on a loser in Washington.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
They're going nowhere fast, they're not.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Building anything in the next two three years. To go
to Dallas a legit contender with Luka Doncon and Kyrie
Irving and maybe make a run at the championship.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
I'm stunned that Kuzma.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
If this is the height of selfishness, this is I
want to get my buckets, I want.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
To jack my shots. Well, I'm floored by this.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Well, if he told the GM I've got my ring,
then he probably wants his thing, which is points and money. Well,
he got the contract getting the ball. If you're playing
with Luke and Kyrie, you get no big shots late, none, zero. Ever,
you're not getting the ball, you're not getting a look,
you're not getting to play design, you're not getting something
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out of a timeout. You're getting none of it. And
he probably wants to be kind of a centerpiece for
a Washington team to get.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
His to get what his shots. And I want to
lose games because that's what you do. I would rather
be this alpha scorer on a crap team up to
Cellar Dweller than be contending and playing.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Meaning wouldn't I think when you play in these long season,
regular season sports like hockey, basketball and baseball, I'd rather
win games. It's a miserable existence. But not everybody. I mean,
Kyle Kuzman's like, I got some money, I got my ring.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I'm good. He's twenty eight years old. This is really bad, man.
I don't know how you don't think this is the
worst look for Kuzma.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, I don't think it's a great look for Kuzma.
But I think what I'm predicting projecting here that Kuzma's
just saying, hey, man, I'm getting I'm finally allowed to
take some shots and look at all my numbers. I
don't want to go to Dallas and be the third
offensive option. He's finally scoring. He's saying, for years Lebron
didn't like me, give me shots, all score.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
So he is what happened when he was a role
player with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, he had a good bubble playoffs and they won
the championship.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yes, let me ask you this, and I'm not disagreeing
with you in premise. But Kyle Kuzma, most great athletes,
most athletes think they're better than they are, right, everybody's
got a sense of I'm a little better than I am.
So Kuzma's finally kind of a go to guy and
he's putting up all these numbers. He's like, I don't
want to go back a role guy. I've been a
role guy. I got a ring out of it. I
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don't like being a role guy. I want to be
that guy. Bradley Beale for years, stayed in Washington. He's like,
I'm a star here. I don't want to be the
third guy now. Eventually, well, no, eventually, after getting his points,
his accolades, and his money, He's like, now I want
to win. Well, Kuzma is saying, I wonder early I
was a role guy and now I'm a star, and
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I like that way more. I can defend somebody on that.
It's not like Kuzma has always been on bad teams.
He was on good teams and a role player. How
was that he didn't like it?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
I don't like winning. So it's funny.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
I talked about this on my podcast. NBC calls me up,
j Mac. We want to build a show around you.
We want to make you a star. Look at all
the takes. I'm on a winning team here, Well, I'm
a role player on a winning team one of the
best shows.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
The teams that that dominating.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
That is It's like, that is how you view it.
I want to win well. I don't think you can
do sports and TV. I think what it comes down
to is Kuzma got a ring as a role player.
But also Lebron's like, yeah, get him out of here.
Kuzma's like, I want to be a guy where a
guy just can't say if I have a bad night
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with Luca, and Luca wakes up in the morning and like,
get Kuzma out of here. He goes, I've been through
that experience. I don't like that experience. I get it
like Luca's gonna get what he wants, including trades, acquisitions, shots,
and opinion. Kuzma's like, yeah, I played with one of
those guys and we won, and they ship me out
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of town. I'm stunted.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
All right, let's move on Kyle Shanahan. Let's get to
overtime for the Super Bowl. Fullback Kyle Yuschek admitted after
the game he didn't know the new overtime rules. There's
video circulating right now on social media viet saying, oh,
even if we scored, they get the ball.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
This is like on the field, He's defending his coach, however,
saying people are just looking for a way to poop
emoji on Kyle Shanahan Colin.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I don't know. I can't kill Shanahan for this.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I didn't yesterday.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
I think people just don't like him because he's labeled
a genius as well.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
What Andy and Kyle both did, It's been reported they
went in the organization to their analytic mavens and said,
explain the options here, and so Andy said, I would
have taken it second and gone for two, So which
would have been fascinating if the Niners. If Andy would
have taken it second party scores a touchdown, Andy would
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have gone for a touchdown, scored it, and gone for
the two. And if it didn't work, would be would
be crushing Andy Reid today having mahomes and then putting
the game into one play. You'd rather just keep doing it.
So my takeaway is both coaches knew it. Players sort
of had to. Some of them learn it on the fly,
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but that's okay. That's why they created GPS so he
wouldn't have to be on the fly in or car.
My entire life, when I would drive somewhere, I didn't
have directions. I'd write them down and I kind of
made it up as I go. Then they created GPS,
Google things like that. Though we don't have to be
on the fly all the time. But I think in
sports it's okay sometimes to be like, hey, hey, so
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remember if we score, because remember the officials announced it.
Everybody talked about The officials said loud and clear, it's
a new game. They explained all the rules. Then you
go back to the sideline and the coaches slowly in
the players quickly kind of figure it out and talk
about it.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
I mean, I still think he made the right call.
I would want the ball first. I'm Kyle Sinnahan. I
could dial up amazing place. By the way, they would
right down the field where it could have.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Had a team play drive it works. Kyle's like their
defense is probably as gassed as ours. I trust all
my great players, Brocks playing fine. I don't want to
have to face Mahomes twice, potentially. I'd rather face him
once and let me get my defense arrest and it worked.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Let's not factor in. Let's say Mahomes does get a
touchdown with the ball. For now, you have Brock Purdy,
a second year quarterback behind the eight ball. You have
to get a touchdown or we lose. That's a lot
of pressure in overtime.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
And and Kansas City's hyper aggressive defensive coordinator. Now you
get four plays, but they're coming out, they're pinning their
ears back. If you have to score a touchdown, I'm
going for negative play.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
By the way, I think McCaffrey becomes a little more
removed if you're down seven, like the threat of a run.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Hey, we'll give you two three yards. I don't know.
I still think Shenan Maiden right called a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I've never been done before, so there's no precedent and
I think you can certainly argue both.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Yeah, final story, let's get to back to the quarterbacks
in the draft. Michael Pennix will be a name to
keep an eye on as we approach the draft. The
lefty drew a lot of attention by leading the Huskies
to the Natty before losing to Michigan. Former Bucks head
coach Bruce Arians told the Tampa Bay Times that he
loves Pennix, particularly the tape against Texas in the semifinal
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when he was unbelievable. Colin Tampa is at twenty sixth
in the draft.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I think the Pennix numbers here this season.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean he was signed Baker for two year deal.
Get Penix, Let him build himself up. It's non terror yeer, No,
it's not terrible.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
I don't think he gets to twenty sixty.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
See, you and I are under the same belief, which
is like, let me throw this say yet and people
say those injuries at Indiana. I just watched him play
like thirty games of Washington. He didn't get hurt. He
got hit there too. Those injuries all right, Anthony Richards,
and he got hurt. Look at how many quarterbacks got hurt.
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If you're sitting around not drafting people, it'd be one
thing if you have the number one pick and it's
like a great player. But like I always thought, Sam
Bradford when he was the number one Sam Bradford, he
got hurt in college, and I'm like, that worries me
number one pick. But if you're starting to get down
to twenty twenty four, twenty five, that's no man's land
in the draft. The first sixteen to eighteen players, all
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gms will tell you this, those guys are different players, physically, different, speed, different.
Then from about eighteen to nineteen to the top of
the third round, most guys have second round grades, so
that it's a little bit of a graveyard end of
the first round. Now, sometimes you hit Ale Lamar Jackson,
but a lot of times those players are viewed it's
kind of second round talents and you have them. Let
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me tell you something, that's where I have no problem
taking a flyer on a super gifted quarterback with a
little injury history. Top ten, Top one, No late first,
no problem, roll the dice in a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
I would I don't know if it's possible.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Is there a way like a scout would come on
this show and give us unvarnished truths on Pennix because
you know a lot of the stuff, the negative stuff
you read is anonymously in.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
The Washington is God.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
I want to hear worth the negative. Okay, we got it,
the injury history and the eighth I get it. But
I want to know what's the can he not make?
And apparently there's a layered throw in between the corner
and the safety that he struggled to make, apparently in
the fact goal. But I just want to know what
he cannot do because I look at the tape on
this guy.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
What can he do? He's doing everything out there.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I watched him, so I watched. When I watched bow
Nix and Pennock's play, I went Husky Stadium and I
did this on purpose. So I first watched. I went
down to the field in pregame, watched him warm up,
look at his size big. Then I went and sat
at the forty yard line with my friend and then
we went to the end zone. So I saw some
field stuff I saw forty yard line and then I
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went end zone, and the stuff that was really impressive
to me on Pennix was the end zone stuff because
a lot of this stuff was not schemed up. Bo
Nix's completions were largely schemed up first or second. Pennix
was moving that head to his third and his fourth.
So the kid clearly sees the field and throws a
devastatingly beautiful deep ball. Now he has very good res
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but Pennix's ability, to me, which was impressive, is that
to go to a second and a third receiver regularly
and could sprinkle the ball all over the field underneath
steam routes, corner post I thought when I watched him
from the end zone, I was like, Wow, that is
a that is a big time first round college quarterback.
I don't that's what it looked like to me.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
I don't see how a guy like Mike McDaniel cannot
consider Michael Pennix to my eye.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
So now he's twenty four years old, he's got two
ACL tears, yeah, and a couple of shoulders.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
And not great. But we saw what Miami did.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
Tua had the concussions right, not two years ago, they
had made adjustments, protected him, got the ball out.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Quicker Tua was injury free this year.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
We ask ask yourself this, like we let's say you
took Pennick and you got you played him and you
got two very good years. Could you and I have
both been under the oppression you should probably draft quarterback
every year, every other year. I mean even when Brady
was in his prime, New England every other year drafted
a quarterback. Didn't work, but they tried. So let's say
Pennix gives you two and a half years and you're like,
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you won some games, you sold some tickets, He made
you viable, and in that process you drafted another quarterback.
I can live with it. Not everybody's a four oh
one k. I don't need every player. The average NFL
career is six years. If you give you me excellent
for three with Pennix and then he wears down physically
and I'm bad today, I'll take it. I don't want
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my staff fired. I don't want another GM, another coach.
What you can't be in the NFL is chaotic at quarterback.
Michael Pennix, you won't be chaotic at quarterback. I would
present grown up like a mixture guy like some of these,
A lot of stars, a lot of stars, multiple coaches.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Any way, you tell me people are willing to take
a chance on Zach Wilson and Trey Lance and Michael
Pennox is not a first round pick.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
That's freaking insanity.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
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Speaker 1 (36:35):
Well saw this story this morning. Michigan makes NFL history
sending a record number of players to the draft. Combine,
eighteen players from Michigan received an invitation as Harball predicted
a year ago to Indianapolis and the combine, the last
three years have probably been the best three years of
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Michigan football in forever, at least in succession. But losing
eighteen juniors and seniors who are not only talented but
the heart of the leadership, combined with losing Harbaugh, who
crafted and curated the leadership, I think it's going to
be a rough couple of years for Michigan. You got
to curate that culture. It's like gardening. You got to
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weed it and water it and replant it, and it
goes away fast. And this was the greatest Michigan harvest ever.
But folks, Oregon's a top ten program. They've entered the
Big ten. Washington's a top fifteen program, believe it or not.
USC and Lincoln Riley they'll be pretty good. Not to mention,
Ohio State got Chip Kelly. They'll be better indisputably. So
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I think that rivalry will flip very very quickly. And
you know, US I defended I defended Michigan to the
end of the earth. But people didn't like Brian Kelly.
But his last couple of years at Notre Dame, they
went eleven to one and ten and two and went
toe to toe with Georgia. All those players remained. They
hired a very smart popular assistant. They lost seven games
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in the last two years. They're competitive, but they're not
winning those close games. And you didn't know love Brian
Kelly because he was rough, and you didn't know his
love Harbaugh because he's equally rough. But I do think
if you look at the schedule for Michigan Boy, that
they didn't get any breaks on this. They open up
early with Texas, who has maybe the best roster in
the country, along with Ohio State coming back. So that
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second game is Texas and again Sark that quarterback, that
old line. That is a rough out of conference game.
Then they have to face USC in that offense a
couple of weeks later. Then it's at Washington, one of
the toughest places to play, a couple of weeks later
rival Michigan State. Then it's Oregon, and then they finish
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at Ohio State. That is a rough schedule. As you
lose eighteen players invited to Indianapolis, you're losing a lot
of leadership and proximity to greatness does not equal greatness.
The popular assistant, though always the choice that makes the
players and administrators happy because there's familiarity does not work
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very often. So my guess is it's going to be
a pretty rough sled for Michigan this year. You're going
to see Ohio State, which I think will be, along
with Texas and Georgia, the three best teams in the country.
I think you'll see Ohio State with a bounce thanks
to Chip Kelly and that talent, and I think you're
gonna see Michigan go down pretty quickly. I understood the choice,
(39:33):
but I said before, the popular choice with players is
rarely the right choice. They like a love former player
Deshaun Foster at ucla very popular choice. He may work,
and I don't think it's a bad higher. But you
know the coach that's a little rough sometimes at college,
a little rough around the edges, Brian Kelly's Harbaugh. They leave,
(39:55):
things do not stay the same. They just it's it's
proximity to it, doesn't he call it. J Mack can't
wait for college football, and those Michigan games are biggies,
big eas.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
I don't have the exact number of staff members from
Michigan who left, but it's more than just hardball. There
was I think like two or three, maybe four guys
who left the staff, the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Yeah, big losses.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
A lot of leadership walks right out.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
That there will be a four loss season for the
Wolverine very easily.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
And Big ten's not bad despite forget the additions. It's
a good conference. Our three next
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