January 10, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin gives his 5 best NFL bets for the Wild Card Round of the playoffs.
Plus, 3-time National Champion Urban Meyer joins the show to give his thoughts on Notre Dame's run from a loss to Northern Illinois to the National Championship.
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Jmack got a blazing five year in a couple of minutes.
You know, it's interesting. So my initial belief on games,
there's about one a week. I look at night zero
in on it. You have strong feelings about the Rams
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in this game, and I push back, and I have
strong feelings about the Ravens in this game, and I
then you start digging and digging and looking at these lines.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Take bold. You going big dogs this weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm not saying that. Listen. You've had a better year
than me picking game.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Not by much. I mean, I've been I've been good,
not great.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I've been beat.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
College football has been really good. We got Ohio State tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Right, we both have Ohio State tonight. Yeah, we've gone
last two weeks. We both had Notre Dame over Georgia,
Notre Dame over Penn State. We both liked Ohio State
over Oregon. We've we've I stayed away Texas ASU. You
liked the ASU that.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Was putting round. I think we went four to oh
each of us.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Great season.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
No. I bought into the underdogs in the opening round
and then I learned my lesson. But here we go.
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Speaker 2 (01:42):
Let's blaze it up.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
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Speaker 1 (01:50):
Listen, I'm gonna take the nine and a half. These
are thirty eight times Tomlin harbag met. The underdog's done
very well in this series, three in one all time
against Baltimore in the playoffs and the Ravens they're two
and six over the last eight playoff games. And I
love Lamar Jackson. He's not the same. He's been under
two hundred yards passing. They don't have Day Flowers, they
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don't have another receiver. They have a good tight end
Lamarna back. I mean as a starter against the Steelers
in the playoffs, he has struggled. And let's be honest,
the Ravens pass defense isn't great. You can move the ball,
chop it up offensively. I think the Ravens win a
nine and a half as Mike Tomlin's the best underdog
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coach in a decade. Twenty seven twenty three Baltimore wins.
I'm gonna take the nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Points Broncos and Bills.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Listen a lot of the wise guys, Yeah, they're gonna
like Denver. I'm gonna take Buffalo eight to no at
home during the regular season and winning by an NFL
best seventeen points. Josh Allen playoff career twenty six touchdowns,
four interceptions. What's not to like? He's not Lamar Jackson.
He may not be hosting trophies. He's not Lamar Jackson.
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James Cook led the NFL eighteen scrimmage touchdowns great at home.
Broncos number seven seeds are one and seven all time
in the wild card round since playoff expansion. They didn't
play particularly well down the stretch. They lost two or
three games. The only win over the Chiefs, and the
Chiefs were resting starters. Josh Allen at home, big spot,
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rookie quarterbacks in the first round, go eight and thirteen.
I like the Bills. I like him to cover thirty
to twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Packers at Eagles.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
This is my favorite bet of the weekend. I like
Philadelphia to win at home in Philadelphia to cover minus
four and a half. They won twelve of their last
thirteen games, and they're only giving up about fifteen points
a game. Number two rushing offense the highest rush percentage
in the league. So Jalen hurts concussion protocol, they should
be able to keep it on the ground. Jalen hurts
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by the way, he gets a fresh Taquon Barkley. Okay,
so I well rested Saquon Barkley and the Packers. They
were not good against good teams. Zero to five this
year against the Vikings, Lions, and Eagles. Two to five
against playoff teams this year. Green Bay's a bit of
a front runner, a bit of a bully. I don't
like him in this spot. They also were second in
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the NFL and drops, so they're a young team that
can make mistakes. I like Philadelphia. Jalen Hurts since Week
four has been great. Thirty three to twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Four Commanders had Buccaneers.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I think Tampa's the better team here. I'm gonna take
a favorite minus three at home, veteran quarterback with a
real run game and a better defensive front. Do you
know Tampa's the first NFL offense in league history with
a seventy plus percent completion percentage through the air and
five plus yards per carry. This is a daunting run attack.
So Baker is going to be rolling on second and
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five and third and two. And Baker right now leads
the NFL with fifteen touchdown passes over the last four games.
So Baker's hot. The run game is substantial. And listen,
we like the Commanders. They are down in the fourth quarter.
It feels like even in the games they win. I mean,
the most famous win this year was a Hail Mary.
They've trailed in the fourth in three straight games. They
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don't have a run game. They're gonna be totally Jaden
Daniels dependent, and he may pull it out. But they
had the second easiest NFL schedule this year. This is
a tough draw. I like Tampa to win in Tampa
to cover thirty three to twenty four.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Vikings said, Rams.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's hard. The more I thought I listened to Greg
Cosel yesterday, I'm gonna take the Rams plus two and
a half. Listen. They won five straight games before resting
their starters in Week eighteen, and they're six and one.
When they score over twenty one points, and I think
they will. Matt Stafford has been a very good playoff
quarterback in LA sixty nine point nine percent completion percentage
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with a lot of touchdowns and only three picks. Their
defense is on fire. It's young, it's totally healthy. Sam
Darnold's making his playoff debut. It's a road game. I'm
just worried. I'm gonna take, by the way, the highest
passing yard per game playoff in NFL history for quarterbacks,
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Matt Stafford is number one over Kurt Warner and Dan Fouts.
I'm gonna take the Rams to win a close one,
twenty seven to twenty four. So there you have it.
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code has heard I'm taking some favorites here. I'm taking Buffalo.
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I'm taking Philadelphia, I'm taking Tampa as favorites, and I'll
take the Steelers and the Rams getting points. I think
Jmax likes most of them except the Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah. No, I think I'm in lockstep with you through
all along the board.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I just I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean, I guess the Zay Flowers injury.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
He's been ruled out. To me, it's feels substece can
be limited without it. No, I mean it's Mark Andrews
in a backfield like they don't have their next number
two receiver has fifteen catches. Yeah, in the NFL. This
isn't Penn State, It's the NFL. I don't Without Zay Flowers,
They're not going to be explosive down the field at all.
And I think that makes the game a thirty to
thirty game in between the thirties.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Probably a good bet fight.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
All right, Urban Meyer, the voice of college football here,
is joining us down Fox Sports Big neuon Chickoff Saturdays
in the fall. Okay, so I'm watching that game last night,
so listen. I don't like the second guest coaches. I don't.
I'm not a second guess er, Urban, because I don't
know who's healthy and who's not. You looked at film
and I didn't, But I got to get to something.
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So Penn State hadn't completed a ball to receivers. There's
very little time left. Notre Dame secondary is excellent. They're
very disciplined and well coached. And let's be honest about
Penn State's quarterback. He can make mistakes. I don't think
with that time forty yards to go, I'm packing at him.
We're built for overtime. I got great running backs. I
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didn't like Penn State getting aggressive down the stretch. Am
I wrong? Telling me where you land on that?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I was in the suite at the Orange Bowl watching it,
and I was with a group of people. And when
they got the ball back, they're deep in their own territory.
Forty seven seconds left. They did have all the timeouts,
and they ran the ball. Nick Singleton, I believe got
like twelve yards in sen yards. Yeah, and I even
said to myself, don't do it. Don't just play this
thing out. Run the ball one more time. If you
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get near the midfield, then go ahead. But you know,
Drew Aller is going to have to live with that
one for a long time. But I saw the same
thing the country saw that Penn State's receivers just had
a hard time getting open. And you can put this
all on the quarterback. It's not it's their best player
is Tyler Warren. And then the two tailbacks said after that,
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there's a significant drop off. So that'll be questioned for
a long time. But you also, you know, you kick
yourself in the teeth if you don't at least take
a shot. But I would have. I would have handed
that thing off one or two more times if they
would have busted it, I would have thrown it down
the field and never throw that ball across the middle
of that kind of situation. And that one that was tough.
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And I'm with you, Colin I exactly. And I said
that to a group of people. They're looking at me,
and I said, no, no, no, don't know. Two minute here,
it's only forty seven seconds left. You're facing a secondary
that's better than your receivers. Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, I was talking about Mark Marcus Freeman. You know,
he started owing three. He lost his first home game
to Marshall and he's thirty five years old, and I'm like,
oh boy, and he had good players. I'm like, I
don't know if this thing's going to work. So when
you know you were the turnaround specialist, that's what you
you and Bill Parcells like, you're in a very short class.
So when he starts owing three and he's thirty five,
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and he unlike you, we didn't you know your first job.
You were kind of hidden over there in Bowling Green.
We didn't know who urban Meyer was. His first job's
Notre Dame. How do you think he turned it around?
Go back to the first year? What's his secret sauce here?
I think he.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Goes back to the way he was a player at
Ohio State. You know, he's always had that reputation of
doing things the right way, of being unselfish and extremely
hard work, and I think that's what he is as
a position coach for Luke Fickle. Luke Fickle is one
of my guys. So I know Marcus Freeman very well.
I followed him. I actually called him. I saw his
press conference after they lost to Marshall, and he looked
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exactly like he thought he would look. He looked like,
what in the world just happened? Where am I? And
what am I doing? And I remember Mac Brown reached
out to me when I was at Florida. It was
in a similar situation. I was a little bit over
my skis and you just you've become overwhelmed. And I
talked to him quite a bit. I've stayed in touch
with him. His maturity of a coach is I don't
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want to say it's unprecedented, but it's phenomenal what he's done. Uh,
he's got a good roster, not a great roster. He
does not have. You know, the two rosters playing tonight
are better than Notre Day.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Oh yes, but they got something.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
They got something very special in that locker room, their leadership,
their toughness to refuse to lose. That game was almost
out of hand in that first half against Penn State,
and they you got to get Marcus Freeman his coaching
staff credit, but also those damn players. Man. I was there,
I watched them. They were They refuse to lose and
just toughed it out. Man, that was a great win
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for them.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So one more question on this, Riley Leonard, is it's
fascinating because everybody's talking about Drew Aller and Schadour and
all this stuff. And I said, there's something about Riley Leonard.
He's got a little, just a little Josh Allen, just
to eight percent Josh Allen. But you know what I
like about Riley Leonard is you know, there were a
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lot of reasons he could have had his head down
his defense, got a couple of picks on terrible call,
took one two away, they trailed that running backs, banged
up his own line. I like Riley Leonard. He's a
kind of kid that has a short memory. I mean,
if you watch his body language, urban he's smiling, he's
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in a good mood. He's big, he's physical. What do
you see when you see him? Because I'm trying to
tell everybody on this set, I'm like, I like that kid.
That's a Sunday player. To me, everybody's like he never
completes passes. What do you see with Riley Leonard?
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I see what his record is. I see a guy
that's a good passer. I see a guy that's has
so much of the intangibles that you see as leadership,
as walking around the sideline, his energy. Like you said,
he's always a positive person. A person is what their
record is. That's what Riley Leonard is He's a winner.
He's gonna win. You know, is he good enough to
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be a starter in the National Football League? No, he's
not physically. But there's other guys in the NFL I've
seen have great careers that weren't good enough physically. They
just have the other stuff, and he has the other stuff. Remember,
a man is what his record is, and that's I
see Riley ruderd what is he? He's playing for the
National Championship. His career ruinning percentage is extremely high for
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a quarterback. His completion percentage in yards per game is average.
That's what I see. I see a winner that has
all the values. And I'm speaking on I had a
guy like that called j T. Barrett. Yeah. J T
Barrett is what his record is. He's a winner.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah yeah. So let's talk Ohio State and Texas. So
I told everybody get your welders mask on. This is
gonna be fourth of July. It's gonna be fireworks and
splash plays. So when you go into a game like this,
you're the Ohio State coach and you know Texas has
nothing but talent and they're gonna make you look bad.
You may fall behind. There's gonna be. This is a
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game that resilience matters because it's not gonna be. I mean,
I think last night's game looked like you think it
would look. I think tonight's could be the opposite. When
you go into a game and this may be the
only time this year Ohio State has met their match physically,
what is the messaging. Because Texas played Georgia twice, they've
met their match physically. Ohio State, I don't think has
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and this is the first one.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
What's the messaging, Well, the message in is and I
actually set this to a friend of mine. When talent
becomes equated, it's not the pregame talk, it's not the
it's simply the most prepared team will win this game.
And the team that practiced the best had the best preparation.
I'm not just talking about practice, but their bodies are
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in great shape. And that takes so many hours of
prep for a player, especially this late in the season.
The guy that spends them so much time in the
training room, getting dry needle, getting the cuppying, all the
different prehab things that get your body at the point
to be at its best tonight. So the most prepared
team will win. And I also believe that Texas or
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Ohio State how Ryan Dave managed the game and Sark
will be how their defense is playing. If their defense
is playing well, I would always have two different game
plans in my mind as a game manager. If my
defense is going out like it did against Oklahoma in
the Orange Bowl in two thousand and eight and we
held Sam Bradford and that offense to seven points at halftime,
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it was a whole different animal if it was twenty
one to whatever it was. So I think the first half,
and I think this is really cool for the viewer
to watch this. The defense is going to set. It
has to because you go out there and do something
stupid early in that first quarter. This is not Tennessee,
all due respect in it's not Oregon. You're right. This
Texas team is toe for toe, the only team in
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the country that can line up against Ohio State and
they can. So how your defense plays is going to
how you manage that game.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So listen, Saban did this where he pulled a quarterback
and inserted a quarterback in a national championship game. So
let's just and I know that's guts. That is hard
to do. So would there be a point tonight, if
you're Sark, would it be a score thing? Would it
be a confidence thing? Because I saw Ryan Day when
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Will Howard struggled. I watched him change his game plan
against Michigan like I saw him play as Jane. You
can't do that tonight. You can't just say we're not
going to throw as much. Would What would you have
to see it with Sark that you would be concerned
about the quarterback situation, which had been inconsistent for Texas
this year.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Yeah, here's the thing about Arch I think he's going
to be a great player. I'm about to say something
that I don't want to offend anybody that he's not
a great player. He's going to be a great player.
When I watched and I did, I went back and
watched a bunch of his tape. It's not like he's
overwhelming yet. It's not like he comes in the game
and it's just he blows the doors off of everybody else.
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So I don't see that drastic. You know, I do
believe Arch Fanning at some point will be a high
draft pick, and all that that time is not now, okay,
And so I think he's doing the right thing with Quinn,
yours is one of the big games. Do you make it?
Do you do the nick Saban, which is one of
the gutchest move I've ever seen in that kind of scenario.
Only Sark knows that because we're not privy to being
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in practice and what Art is really capable of doing.
What I've seen, He's got a great future. But right now,
ten years is the best opportunity to win.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, Okay, so years ago, I don't know if I
told you this. Years and years ago, I think you
were coaching at Florida and the other place the other
big sports network had Ohio State played LSU, and I
saw you in the hallway. I said, hey, I was
doing a commercial break. I said, hey, coach, get over here.
What's this game going to look like? And you told
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me off the air, you said, blah blah blah blah blah.
And it looked exactly like you told me it was
going to look like. And then I went on the
air and I pretended that I knew that, and I
didn't give you any credit. I just said, you know,
here's what the game is going to look like. I
guarantee you. So anyway, now everybody knows that so tonight,
I'm not asking for a score. What do you think
the game looks like tonight? What should I what kind
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of tempo pace? What does it look like?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Ohio State twenty twenty four was a slow starting team
and the Wolverine game was really bad as far as
a slow start. They actually fell behind Marshall seven to nothing.
I remember, you know we had we were there, and
I've obviously I watch other games against Tennessee. Something happened,
and I think all the criticism about Chip Kelly and
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Ryan Day not being created enough, not being exposed enough,
not getting the best players of ball, they went after
him like I mean, I mean it was we saw
the scores, the score, the game was over in the
first quarter. Yeah, I'm more. I hope they don't do that.
I hope they're conscientious about how aggressive they are. Because
I went back and watched Texas. Texas has this will
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be the best secondary, this will be the best defensive
line in Ohio State still is three offensive linemen down upfront.
I think you see how that defense played. The fans
don't want to hear that, but you got to go
win this game. How do you go win the game?
See how your defense plays managed the game. I would
not be reckless in that first quarter, I think against Tennessee,
and I mean I loved it. It was fantastic, but you
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overmatched Oregon. You had better players in Oregon. You had
much better players in Tennessee. Tonight, I think they I
think they have the better roster. But I think it's
fairly close.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Very excited Urban Meyer, Fox Sports College Football. He's on
the big noon kickoff. And you were inducted into the
Orange Bowl Hall of Fame last night. How about that?
And then and so you drove the.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Penn State fans were the Penn State fans didn't like that,
and Notre Dame fans were getting after Brady or Matt Leiner.
So it was I looked at the Orange Bowl gall
and I says, Holy Caly, that happened. She happens every year. Yeah,
I mean, if there's fans at the other school, yeah,
you get hammered pretty good.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So it's fun though.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Notre Dame fans, Notre Dame fans are I don't know.
I've told you this before. You had an opportunity to
take a Notre Dame job, and you didn't. I know
that you don't want to say that you're a humble guy.
But Notre Dame. You were an assistant there for years,
and I'm watching them last night. I love when Notre
Dame's good. There's just I mean, when you were on
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that campus, you had a Florida job, you had an
Ohio State job, you did smaller colleges. Did Notre Dame
feel a little different, all things considered, But there's.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
No place like it. I made the comment that I
got a little choked up the first time when I
saw them win a couple of weeks ago against Georgia.
You know, who'd have thought in this day and age
that they would basically control a game against the University
of Georgia and SEC powerhouse. I know I recruited there.
I made the comment that I remember when you hear
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those words lake effect coming off of Lake Michigan. There's
only a certain type of player that you can recruit
to Notre Dame. December January. It's changed a little bit,
but I mean, academics are real. You know, there's seventy
five hundred students there. How many students go to the game?
Call it seventy it's it's it's it's incredible. Place. It's
the purity of college football. I love their coach, I
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love that place. And I was the same as you
when Notre Dame's great, it's good for great for college football,
good senior coach, good senior college.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
All right, the great Urban Meyer. Yeah, it's a if
you love college football and the traditions and the stadiums.
And I thought last night was just so rich. Uh,
it's the fabric of college football starts with To me,
it doesn't start with the SEC. When I was a
kid growing up, Washington was great, Ohio State was great,
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Penn State, Notre Dame, Michigan. It was cold weather teams
that were great. I mean, USC always had a bunch
of players. Texas was hit and miss, but Nebraska was great.
SEC wasn't as dominant like Georgia. You know, the Herschel
Walker Georgia team with Buck Balo at quarterback. One of
Natty didn't. I don't know if they completed more than
one or two passes. But I mean when I when
I kind of think of college football and it's his
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it was a lot of these northern powers, and then
over the last twenty years it's kind of veered down
into Sunshine States. But I just think there's something pretty
cool about Penn State Michigan. I mean, I was just
thinking this last night watching it with Jmac. I'm thinking,
are we going to get a big ten final off
Michigan's win? I mean, what? What? Because right now, I
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mean SEC fans the new guy in the neighborhood, Texas
is their last shot. It's either going to be Northern
power Ohio State or northern power Notre Dame. I'll tell
you then. I'll just tell you this right now, Ohio
State Notre Dame television rating maybeat USC Texas.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
What's your line for that? Who? How much is Ohio's
day favored by over Notre Dame? Yeah, I because Texas
is power. I would got to be bigger than six.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Six and a half. I think Ohio State would win.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I think it might be seven and a half, maybe
maybe higher.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I don't even know if i'd want to, I will.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You've watched this Notre Dame offense now closely the last
couple games.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
They don't have months cold. Yeah, but I've watched this
coaching staff in this second area. Yeah, no, definitely, and
they came out of it pretty healthy last night, didn't
They Riley.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Offensive Lineman went down.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I don't know if it's serious or long term, but
I think if you're a Notre Dame fan, you're probably
rooting Texas.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Here, right. Oh, I think Notre Dame could beat Texas.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Don't I don't rooting for Texas. You want to see that?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, I think they could beat Texas. I'm not saying
they would. They'd be an underdog, but I could see
Notre Dame getting into Texas's head.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Penn State receivers had zero catches. Jeremiah Smith will have
three on the first drive.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
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Speaker 1 (24:07):
I want to thank Urban Meyer for stopping by. Jordan
Schultz is going to be joining us coming up next hour.
He's got all sorts of information. There's a lot of
stuff percolating on the Raiders and the Raiders job and
the Jets job. There is all sorts of information out there.
Ohio State, Texas. Tonight, J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
On the news. This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
All right, Let's start with Tyreek Hill. Remember how he
refused to go into the game in week eighteen against
the Jets and then he win and he said, bro
I'm out of here. Well, yesterday his agent stepped up,
Drew Rosenhaus and said, Tyreek at the end of the
day is committed to the Miami Dolphins for just this
is going to be an off season side show. My
guess is that they try to move him quietly before
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it becomes like a big, huge story.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I totally agree.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I don't know if that's going to be easy, because
I don't think that there's this, Hey, we got to
get Tyreek Hill in the building, Like, I don't think
anybody out there saying that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So Stefan Diggs left Buffalo, they still dominated, Tyreek Hill
left Kansas City, still dominated. Zay Flowers hurt for the Ravens,
still nine and a half point favorites. Start looking at
all the teams with star receivers Ceedee Lamb and the
Cowboys didn't make the playoffs. I mean, you just start
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looking around at the best wide but yet the best
running backs in the league, the Lions Saquon Barkley, start
looking around. Buffalo got James Cook, Derek Henry. The running
backs now equal winning the receivers equal, big contrast.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
So everybody's trying to piece together why this happened or
how it happened. I saw stat that the top six
running teams in the NFL all made the playoffs. That's
the first time it's ever happened. And I think a
lot of it has to do with the two high,
the cover two safeties right, the safeties deep. We don't
want to give up the play. Fine, we'll just take
Saint Kwon Barkley at five or six yards a clip.
And that's what the smart teams are doing, while everyone
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else is like, Oh, we don't want to run, we
want to pass. I don't I don't need to get
Tyreek kill in the building. If I'm a playoff team, right,
I don't think he puts me over the top.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Not at that price point, No, no no interest whatsoever. Yeah,
and the also something we have we both you and
I know is the college football There is like this year,
for instance, it's a very good offensive line draft. It's
a great running back draft, and once again it's a
very strong wide receivers draft. So when a business furnishes
you with certain employees, it gives you an advantage as
(26:39):
a general manager. There is no reason unless you have
Jamar Chase Justin Jefferson, there are very few receivers. I'm
just gonna give massive contracts to I mean, Devonte Adams
since he left Green Bay, can't win games, Raiders, Jezz
what's the again? Like him? How much am I gonna
pay him?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
And there's two tight ends who we love, the Penn
State and Michigan Loveland. They're not quite Rock Bowers, but
they're not far below him. It's a good draft. We're
gonna have a lot of fun leading up to the draft.
Next story is good news for the Eagles. Jalen Hurts
has cleared concussion protocol as expected. He is now in
line to start against the Packers. He had a good
game in the season opener against the Packers. He did
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though two picks, but dead two touchdowns. Two hundred and
seventy eight yards got the win. I think we expected
him to be cleared. Obviously, this is very good news.
And now the question is what about the other quarterback,
Jordan Love. Is he really hurt or no?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Listen, green Bay. Green Bay is a team that started
the year strangely and finished the year strangely. I mean
they had injuries to start and they surprised us being
effected with Malik Willis, and then at the end of
the year they Saim play very well and he had
a couple of key injuries, and I just don't like
where Green Bay is today. By the way, I like
the Denvers in the playoffs, but they kind of struggled
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in their last two or three starts. So like Denver
and Green Bay coming to the weekend against the Bills
playing great and the Eagles playing great. I don't love
big favorites, love them both. I just think Philadelphia, if
you go take out the last week when they rest people,
you go for about a six since week four or five.
Go look we had it earlier. Go look at Jalen
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Hurts numbers since week four. Jim, it's like MVP stuff.
They're just not asking him because Lamar and Josh are
so great, and Darnold's getting so much of our attention
we forget how good Baker Mayfield's been this year and
how good Jalen Hurts has been this year. So I
think this is a tough spot in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, I like the Eagles. I would consider Packers in
the first half because the Eagles are a slow starting teams,
poor game plans, and then they turn it on the
second half. Lafloor, of course a good, very good coach.
So I think Packers are really competitive, may lead at
the half. That if you're interested in that kind of
That final story, Colin is the Raiders. They parted ways
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with you, Tom Telesco after one season. They also jumped
their head coach, Antonio Pierce. According to Pro Football Talk,
the timing of Telesco's firing shows the GM was let
go to clear the decks, or a new head coach
to hire someone he's more familiar with. As a GM this,
I mean that sounds extremely logical. I think that's fair
(29:21):
to draw that conclusion. The question is who is the
head coach? Because I don't think you let just any
head coach come in. I can You're not let Aaron
Glenn come in and pick his GM.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I can tell you this. Rabel was not on the
Raiders radar two weeks ago, three weeks ago. You know,
obviously Mark Davis had some idea he was firing Antonio
Piers two to three weeks ago. At that time, Rabel
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wasn't on the radar. So I think Tom Brady now
has significant influence. I mean Brady essentially, it's feel like
is running the Raiders. I mean that's I mean there's
no coach and there's no GM, and that means the
GM staff. A lot of those people will be like, oh,
so I don't know what they're I don't know what
they're doing. Rabel's a very good candidate. This is not
(30:17):
a very good job.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Is it possible that Rabel looked at the Patriots, talked
to an interviewed and was just like, I don't I
don't really want to follow Belichick. This is not a
winning proposition for me. I don't caring.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
What about New England isn't good? Ownership? Quarterback is set
and I'm gonna have personnel connections.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Are you already been there, done that? You know, maybe
he wants to go west hang out with Brady maybe
his wife likes Vegas. There's a lot of stuff we
don't know. And Frankly, if I get to come in
and day Mike, you want the job, you could pick
there gm Oh really, I don't know that the Pictriots
are lett him do that?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Right? Well? Wolf Wolf they let go of Gerd Mayo,
but I think Wolf retained his job, didn't Hey, yeah,
and then by the way, he got Drake may right.
I mean, we'll see if the class is any good, but.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
We don't know if they'd have the negative history. I
don't know. I'm fascinated by what comes next to the
Raiders because if they go Rabel and then Aaron Rodgers,
you know, that is all of a sudden maybe the
most interesting team in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Now. But here's the thing. You have to consider this.
I mean I said this when USC joined the Big
Ten with Harbaugh leaving James Franklin's never been a big
game coach, right, and Ryan Day was sort of you know,
hit and miss I was like, well, you already play
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Oregon moving to the Big Ten is easier than Oklahoma
going to the SEC, where I've got Kirby Smart, Josh Hypel, Lane, Kiffen,
Sark like right, So when I look at the Raiders job,
it is impossible for me not to see Mahomes, Herbert
Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Jim Harball. If Rabel took that job,
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that is the best coaching division in the history of
the sport. You have to consider a lot of things
when you enter a position. So one of the reasons
I like New England, I get stability in a quarterback.
But they're at a low point because Gerrod Mayo looked
over his skis. Well, I mean Antonio Pearce didn't look
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over his skis. You Sho didn't have a quarterback. So
I mean anything you do in New If you won
seven games in New England and you had a good draft,
people would be like, hey, the future is here. If
you won eight games with the Raiders, people would be like, yo,
Kansas City won twelve, Harball won eleven, Peyton won ten.
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You're a doormat Peyton twice a year, Harbaugh twice a year,
Andy Reid twice a year.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Well, you know, okay, So McVeigh remember in eighteen McVeigh
could have played his guys, and I think there was
a chance that they could have moved up. He didn't
care who he was facing. Is it the Vikings, is
it the Lions? I don't care. I'm resting my guys.
I'm good. I think we can handle both those teams.
Some of these coaches are just ultra confident, and it's
possible if Rabel says, okay, Sean Payton had a good year,
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so Chargers look at that roster. You could argue Raiders
have as much talent maybe as the Chargers. Chargers don't
have a lot of offensive talent. And I just these coaches
are cocky and arrogant. And this is gonna be real
interesting because that would be the best coaching division in
the league, like by a considerable amount. We'll see who
the Bears get. That division hasn't well.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I mean, let's be honest about it. It's the same
in the NFC North, Dan Campbell, Matt Lafleur, Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
That's a tough division.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Now, but I go to New England. We don't know
if Sean mcdermot's gonna be there if they get bounced
in the playoffs. Who's the Jets coach this week? And
Mike McDaniel, you know, loves him, but like they can't
play when it gets chili. So I mean that, I
mean the New England job owner quarterback division. Listen, you
almost have an advantage coaching the Patriots because if you
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don't beat Josh Allen he's so great, people are like, well,
I mean that's unrealistic. To beat Josh Allen, you almost
get a built and when you had, like when you
had to go in Elway's division or Brady's division, it
was understood. Or Peyton Manning's division, you're playing for a
wild card.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Who's the last time the Raiders went to a super Bowl?
I don't even know. But Belichick been to the Super
Bowl a billion times. In New England, it became expected.
I think they're bigger expectations in New England.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, as oppose you go to the Raiders, they man
just win some games, get us to the playoff. Let
me thrill.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, but I like it. I like expectations. I want
my bosses to think, let's do great things together, you know,
go for the silver just doesn't fire me up. J mcklenews.
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Speaker 1 (36:12):
So I like Ohio State tonight to beat Texas. I
think both programs have splash players and five star guys.
So I think Texas has been inconsistent all year. I
can't get my arms around him. I'm not sure. I
love quinn Ewers, he's hit and missed. To me, Will
Howard played terrible against Michigan. Big strong guy, moves well.
I think Ohio State is over the last couple of games.
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Has played with an intensity and sort of a singular
focus that is hard to duplicate. They we see this sometimes.
We've seen it in the NFL playoffs, and we've seen
it in the college football. Some teams just get hot
and they're just on a mission. And I think that's
what Ohio State is. Here's Ryan Day on facing the
Horns tonight.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
I think that when you think about, you know, the
players and the coaches in this new format week after week,
the work that they're putting in, but also for our fans,
the links that they've come to. You know, decide to
get on a plane and you know buy tickets to
come to this game and then throughout the country. You know,
I think it all matters, and I think it's great
(37:12):
for college football, and it's great for Ohio State, and
it's great for Texas.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah. I think it's gonna be a lot of a
little bit of a wild shootout. It's gonna be a
lot of fun. I think both coaches are safe if
they lose. But I will say three of the top
five winning his programs in the history of college football
are left Urban Meyer was on earlier. I think you
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and I are both what we noticed last night, Riley Leonard,
who I like more than everybody else, and Drew Aller,
they're they're not first round quarterbacks. Quinn Ewers and Will
Howard are not first round quarterbacks. This is a down
year for quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Last year was unbelievable. Michael Pennix and Bo Nixon the
same conference.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
J J.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
McCarthy, You know, I mean Caleb Williams, I mean, look
at all the Look at all the West Coast quarterbacks
that have flourished. Pennix, Bo Nicks, Caleb, Jayden Daniels down
in the SEC. Last year was an unbelievable all time
quarterback draft class this year. I think cam Ward's the
most talented, Chadure's the most polished. It's it's a it's
(38:18):
a pretty average class. But here's Urban saying earlier he
thinks quinn Ewrs, not arch Manning, gives them the best
chance to win at Texas.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
He's going to be a great player. When I watched,
and I did, I went back and watched a bunch
of his tape. It's not like he's overwhelming yet. It's
not like he comes in the game and it's just
he blows the doors off of everybody else. So I
don't see that drastic, you know, I do believe arch
Manning at some point will be a high draft pick
and all that that time is not now, and so
(38:50):
I think he's doing the right thing with can you
Quinn yours has one of the big games? Do you
make it? Do you do the Nick Saban? Which is
one of the gutsiest move I've ever seen in that
kind of scenario. Only Sark knows that because we're not
privy to being in practice and what Arts is really
capable of doing. What I've seen, He's got a great future.
But right now, cowin Yewrs is the best opportunity to win.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, it's really interesting that. One of the things that
I really like about college football now is like Sark
is like, you're not going to go in defeed anymore.
You just got to get over that stuff. You got
to get over it. Ohio State lost twice, and I
think they look like the best team in the country
by a touchdown, and they lost twice once the twenty
(39:34):
point favorite the minute. Penn State, had they won last
night and gone to the Natty, would have played seventeen games.
That's an NFL schedule with kids. So it's like, it's
just college football now. I always thought one of my
knocks on college football there weren't enough big games. Everybody
was afraid to schedule big games out of conference because
if you lost, you got knocked out of the national championship.
So the unintended benefit of the playoff is teams are
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now going to start scheduling tougher out of conference games.
It's okay. I mean, USC had Notre Dame in LSU
out of conference and then played A and M in
a bowl game. It's okay. You can lose games. And
I just think college football now, I always felt like
in college football before this year. By late October, ninety
percent of the teams, ninety five percent of the teams,
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we're out of the natty discussion. Well, in the NFL,
we know there's like six teams that can't win opening Day,
another six by Thanksgiving that are ridiculous. But you're kind
of you're down. You've got about a dozen teams at Thanksgiving.
You're you're like, well, if they get healthy and hot,
and Sark talked about it yesterday, like college football now
it is over. It's change now.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
I think in this day and age of college football,
to think that you're just gonna go unblemished is probably
not realistic, especially not in our two conferences with the
you know, the amount of quality teams that you have
to play week in and week out, and the grind
that it puts on your on your team, not only
physically but mentally. And it's I think the ones that
can be standing here January ninth and tenth playing for
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an opportunity to play for a national championship.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I think, you know, the credit is due to all
four teams.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
And the other thing you have to consider, and this
is going to upset people in the SEC when you
watch Penn State in Notre Dame, in Ohio State, they
look better than those southern teams. That wasn't the case
two years ago. What has happened a lot of money
in those northern schools, a lot a lot of money
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at Notre Dame, a lot of money at Michigan, a
lot of money at Ohio State, a lot of money
Penn State boosters. And I think college football programs have
gone after the SEC and poached and rated the SEC's
rosters to a higher level than Big ten rosters. And
so I think, I think what you're looking at is
(41:53):
happening now. Everybody's going to the SEC and saying, like
I watched Georgia this year. The minute they had an
offensive line is injury. Georgia's old line was nothing. It
was average, And so I think, I mean, and you
lose brock Bowers and Lad Maconkey and you think, well
we're Georgia. Well, all it takes is one injury to
another receiver, you're out of players. I mean, that's all
(42:15):
it takes. So the SEC teams still have very good players,
but they do not have the depth they had three
years ago. They do not have the depth and the
SEC is such a physical league that they probably, if
you looked it up, have more injuries than other leagues,
so you lose depth, you have more injuries. There's more
good teams in the SEC than other conferences, and they're
all beating each other up. And now even Georgia doesn't
(42:38):
have the depth. Alabama doesn't have the depth, LSU didn't
have the depth. So I don't know. I mean, I'm
looking at these northern teams. Michigan was better than every
SEC team last year. Ohio State's better than every SEC team.
I think Notre Dame just proved it with Georgia. They're
better than every SEC team. And I think I think
Penn State and Oregon could have gone toe to toe
with anybody. I think Oregon could have beaten every SEC team.
(43:02):
They just ran into buzzsaw called Ohio State. And I'm
not sure Texas can hang tonight. We'll see our three
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Jmack got a blazing five year in a couple of minutes.
You know, it's interesting. So my initial belief on games,
there's about one a week. I look at night zero
in on it. You have strong feelings about the Rams
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in this game, and I push back, and I have
strong feelings about the Ravens in this game, and I
then you start digging and digging and looking at these lines.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Take bold. You going big dogs this weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm not saying that. Listen. You've had a better year
than me picking game.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Not by much. I mean, I've been I've been good,
not great.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I've been beat.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
College football has been really good. We got Ohio State tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Right, we both have Ohio State tonight. Yeah, we've gone
last two weeks. We both had Notre Dame over Georgia,
Notre Dame over Penn State. We both liked Ohio State
over Oregon. We've we've I stayed away Texas ASU. You
liked the ASU that.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Was putting round. I think we went four to oh
each of us.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Great season.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
No. I bought into the underdogs in the opening round
and then I learned my lesson. But here we go.
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Speaker 1 (01:50):
Listen, I'm gonna take the nine and a half. These
are thirty eight times Tomlin harbag met. The underdog's done
very well in this series, three in one all time
against Baltimore in the playoffs and the Ravens they're two
and six over the last eight playoff games. And I
love Lamar Jackson. He's not the same. He's been under
two hundred yards passing. They don't have Day Flowers, they
(02:11):
don't have another receiver. They have a good tight end
Lamarna back. I mean as a starter against the Steelers
in the playoffs, he has struggled. And let's be honest,
the Ravens pass defense isn't great. You can move the ball,
chop it up offensively. I think the Ravens win a
nine and a half as Mike Tomlin's the best underdog
(02:33):
coach in a decade. Twenty seven twenty three Baltimore wins.
I'm gonna take the nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Points Broncos and Bills.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Listen a lot of the wise guys, Yeah, they're gonna
like Denver. I'm gonna take Buffalo eight to no at
home during the regular season and winning by an NFL
best seventeen points. Josh Allen playoff career twenty six touchdowns,
four interceptions. What's not to like? He's not Lamar Jackson.
He may not be hosting trophies. He's not Lamar Jackson.
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James Cook led the NFL eighteen scrimmage touchdowns great at home.
Broncos number seven seeds are one and seven all time
in the wild card round since playoff expansion. They didn't
play particularly well down the stretch. They lost two or
three games. The only win over the Chiefs, and the
Chiefs were resting starters. Josh Allen at home, big spot,
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rookie quarterbacks in the first round, go eight and thirteen.
I like the Bills. I like him to cover thirty
to twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Packers at Eagles.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
This is my favorite bet of the weekend. I like
Philadelphia to win at home in Philadelphia to cover minus
four and a half. They won twelve of their last
thirteen games, and they're only giving up about fifteen points
a game. Number two rushing offense the highest rush percentage
in the league. So Jalen hurts concussion protocol, they should
be able to keep it on the ground. Jalen hurts
(04:03):
by the way, he gets a fresh Taquon Barkley. Okay,
so I well rested Saquon Barkley and the Packers. They
were not good against good teams. Zero to five this
year against the Vikings, Lions, and Eagles. Two to five
against playoff teams this year. Green Bay's a bit of
a front runner, a bit of a bully. I don't
like him in this spot. They also were second in
(04:24):
the NFL and drops, so they're a young team that
can make mistakes. I like Philadelphia. Jalen Hurts since Week
four has been great. Thirty three to twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Four Commanders had Buccaneers.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I think Tampa's the better team here. I'm gonna take
a favorite minus three at home, veteran quarterback with a
real run game and a better defensive front. Do you
know Tampa's the first NFL offense in league history with
a seventy plus percent completion percentage through the air and
five plus yards per carry. This is a daunting run attack.
So Baker is going to be rolling on second and
(05:01):
five and third and two. And Baker right now leads
the NFL with fifteen touchdown passes over the last four games.
So Baker's hot. The run game is substantial. And listen,
we like the Commanders. They are down in the fourth quarter.
It feels like even in the games they win. I mean,
the most famous win this year was a Hail Mary.
They've trailed in the fourth in three straight games. They
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don't have a run game. They're gonna be totally Jaden
Daniels dependent, and he may pull it out. But they
had the second easiest NFL schedule this year. This is
a tough draw. I like Tampa to win in Tampa
to cover thirty three to twenty four.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Vikings said, Rams.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's hard. The more I thought I listened to Greg
Cosel yesterday, I'm gonna take the Rams plus two and
a half. Listen. They won five straight games before resting
their starters in Week eighteen, and they're six and one.
When they score over twenty one points, and I think
they will. Matt Stafford has been a very good playoff
quarterback in LA sixty nine point nine percent completion percentage
(06:06):
with a lot of touchdowns and only three picks. Their
defense is on fire. It's young, it's totally healthy. Sam
Darnold's making his playoff debut. It's a road game. I'm
just worried. I'm gonna take, by the way, the highest
passing yard per game playoff in NFL history for quarterbacks,
(06:26):
Matt Stafford is number one over Kurt Warner and Dan Fouts.
I'm gonna take the Rams to win a close one,
twenty seven to twenty four. So there you have it.
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(06:50):
I'm taking Philadelphia, I'm taking Tampa as favorites, and I'll
take the Steelers and the Rams getting points. I think
Jmax likes most of them except the Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah. No, I think I'm in lockstep with you through
all along the board.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I just I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean, I guess the Zay Flowers injury.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
He's been ruled out. To me, it's feels substece can
be limited without it. No, I mean it's Mark Andrews
in a backfield like they don't have their next number
two receiver has fifteen catches. Yeah, in the NFL. This
isn't Penn State, It's the NFL. I don't Without Zay Flowers,
They're not going to be explosive down the field at all.
And I think that makes the game a thirty to
thirty game in between the thirties.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Probably a good bet fight.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
All right, Urban Meyer, the voice of college football here,
is joining us down Fox Sports Big neuon Chickoff Saturdays
in the fall. Okay, so I'm watching that game last night,
so listen. I don't like the second guest coaches. I don't.
I'm not a second guess er, Urban, because I don't
know who's healthy and who's not. You looked at film
and I didn't, But I got to get to something.
(07:53):
So Penn State hadn't completed a ball to receivers. There's
very little time left. Notre Dame secondary is excellent. They're
very disciplined and well coached. And let's be honest about
Penn State's quarterback. He can make mistakes. I don't think
with that time forty yards to go, I'm packing at him.
We're built for overtime. I got great running backs. I
(08:16):
didn't like Penn State getting aggressive down the stretch. Am
I wrong? Telling me where you land on that?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I was in the suite at the Orange Bowl watching it,
and I was with a group of people. And when
they got the ball back, they're deep in their own territory.
Forty seven seconds left. They did have all the timeouts,
and they ran the ball. Nick Singleton, I believe got
like twelve yards in sen yards. Yeah, and I even
said to myself, don't do it. Don't just play this
thing out. Run the ball one more time. If you
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get near the midfield, then go ahead. But you know,
Drew Aller is going to have to live with that
one for a long time. But I saw the same
thing the country saw that Penn State's receivers just had
a hard time getting open. And you can put this
all on the quarterback. It's not it's their best player
is Tyler Warren. And then the two tailbacks said after that,
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there's a significant drop off. So that'll be questioned for
a long time. But you also, you know, you kick
yourself in the teeth if you don't at least take
a shot. But I would have. I would have handed
that thing off one or two more times if they
would have busted it, I would have thrown it down
the field and never throw that ball across the middle
of that kind of situation. And that one that was tough.
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And I'm with you, Colin I exactly. And I said
that to a group of people. They're looking at me,
and I said, no, no, no, don't know. Two minute here,
it's only forty seven seconds left. You're facing a secondary
that's better than your receivers. Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, I was talking about Mark Marcus Freeman. You know,
he started owing three. He lost his first home game
to Marshall and he's thirty five years old, and I'm like,
oh boy, and he had good players. I'm like, I
don't know if this thing's going to work. So when
you know you were the turnaround specialist, that's what you
you and Bill Parcells like, you're in a very short class.
So when he starts owing three and he's thirty five,
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and he unlike you, we didn't you know your first job.
You were kind of hidden over there in Bowling Green.
We didn't know who urban Meyer was. His first job's
Notre Dame. How do you think he turned it around?
Go back to the first year? What's his secret sauce here?
I think he.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Goes back to the way he was a player at
Ohio State. You know, he's always had that reputation of
doing things the right way, of being unselfish and extremely
hard work, and I think that's what he is as
a position coach for Luke Fickle. Luke Fickle is one
of my guys. So I know Marcus Freeman very well.
I followed him. I actually called him. I saw his
press conference after they lost to Marshall, and he looked
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exactly like he thought he would look. He looked like,
what in the world just happened? Where am I? And
what am I doing? And I remember Mac Brown reached
out to me when I was at Florida. It was
in a similar situation. I was a little bit over
my skis and you just you've become overwhelmed. And I
talked to him quite a bit. I've stayed in touch
with him. His maturity of a coach is I don't
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want to say it's unprecedented, but it's phenomenal what he's done. Uh,
he's got a good roster, not a great roster. He
does not have. You know, the two rosters playing tonight
are better than Notre Day.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Oh yes, but they got something.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
They got something very special in that locker room, their leadership,
their toughness to refuse to lose. That game was almost
out of hand in that first half against Penn State,
and they you got to get Marcus Freeman his coaching
staff credit, but also those damn players. Man. I was there,
I watched them. They were They refuse to lose and
just toughed it out. Man, that was a great win
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for them.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So one more question on this, Riley Leonard, is it's
fascinating because everybody's talking about Drew Aller and Schadour and
all this stuff. And I said, there's something about Riley Leonard.
He's got a little, just a little Josh Allen, just
to eight percent Josh Allen. But you know what I
like about Riley Leonard is you know, there were a
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lot of reasons he could have had his head down
his defense, got a couple of picks on terrible call,
took one two away, they trailed that running backs, banged
up his own line. I like Riley Leonard. He's a
kind of kid that has a short memory. I mean,
if you watch his body language, urban he's smiling, he's
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in a good mood. He's big, he's physical. What do
you see when you see him? Because I'm trying to
tell everybody on this set, I'm like, I like that kid.
That's a Sunday player. To me, everybody's like he never
completes passes. What do you see with Riley Leonard?
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I see what his record is. I see a guy
that's a good passer. I see a guy that's has
so much of the intangibles that you see as leadership,
as walking around the sideline, his energy. Like you said,
he's always a positive person. A person is what their
record is. That's what Riley Leonard is He's a winner.
He's gonna win. You know, is he good enough to
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be a starter in the National Football League? No, he's
not physically. But there's other guys in the NFL I've
seen have great careers that weren't good enough physically. They
just have the other stuff, and he has the other stuff. Remember,
a man is what his record is, and that's I
see Riley ruderd what is he? He's playing for the
National Championship. His career ruinning percentage is extremely high for
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a quarterback. His completion percentage in yards per game is average.
That's what I see. I see a winner that has
all the values. And I'm speaking on I had a
guy like that called j T. Barrett. Yeah. J T
Barrett is what his record is. He's a winner.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah yeah. So let's talk Ohio State and Texas. So
I told everybody get your welders mask on. This is
gonna be fourth of July. It's gonna be fireworks and
splash plays. So when you go into a game like this,
you're the Ohio State coach and you know Texas has
nothing but talent and they're gonna make you look bad.
You may fall behind. There's gonna be. This is a
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game that resilience matters because it's not gonna be. I mean,
I think last night's game looked like you think it
would look. I think tonight's could be the opposite. When
you go into a game and this may be the
only time this year Ohio State has met their match physically,
what is the messaging. Because Texas played Georgia twice, they've
met their match physically. Ohio State, I don't think has
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and this is the first one.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
What's the messaging, Well, the message in is and I
actually set this to a friend of mine. When talent
becomes equated, it's not the pregame talk, it's not the
it's simply the most prepared team will win this game.
And the team that practiced the best had the best preparation.
I'm not just talking about practice, but their bodies are
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in great shape. And that takes so many hours of
prep for a player, especially this late in the season.
The guy that spends them so much time in the
training room, getting dry needle, getting the cuppying, all the
different prehab things that get your body at the point
to be at its best tonight. So the most prepared
team will win. And I also believe that Texas or
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Ohio State how Ryan Dave managed the game and Sark
will be how their defense is playing. If their defense
is playing well, I would always have two different game
plans in my mind as a game manager. If my
defense is going out like it did against Oklahoma in
the Orange Bowl in two thousand and eight and we
held Sam Bradford and that offense to seven points at halftime,
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it was a whole different animal if it was twenty
one to whatever it was. So I think the first half,
and I think this is really cool for the viewer
to watch this. The defense is going to set. It
has to because you go out there and do something
stupid early in that first quarter. This is not Tennessee,
all due respect in it's not Oregon. You're right. This
Texas team is toe for toe, the only team in
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the country that can line up against Ohio State and
they can. So how your defense plays is going to
how you manage that game.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So listen, Saban did this where he pulled a quarterback
and inserted a quarterback in a national championship game. So
let's just and I know that's guts. That is hard
to do. So would there be a point tonight, if
you're Sark, would it be a score thing? Would it
be a confidence thing? Because I saw Ryan Day when
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Will Howard struggled. I watched him change his game plan
against Michigan like I saw him play as Jane. You
can't do that tonight. You can't just say we're not
going to throw as much. Would What would you have
to see it with Sark that you would be concerned
about the quarterback situation, which had been inconsistent for Texas
this year.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Yeah, here's the thing about Arch I think he's going
to be a great player. I'm about to say something
that I don't want to offend anybody that he's not
a great player. He's going to be a great player.
When I watched and I did, I went back and
watched a bunch of his tape. It's not like he's
overwhelming yet. It's not like he comes in the game
and it's just he blows the doors off of everybody else.
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So I don't see that drastic. You know, I do
believe Arch Fanning at some point will be a high
draft pick, and all that that time is not now, okay,
And so I think he's doing the right thing with Quinn,
yours is one of the big games. Do you make it?
Do you do the nick Saban, which is one of
the gutchest move I've ever seen in that kind of scenario.
Only Sark knows that because we're not privy to being
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in practice and what Art is really capable of doing.
What I've seen, He's got a great future. But right now,
ten years is the best opportunity to win.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, Okay, so years ago, I don't know if I
told you this. Years and years ago, I think you
were coaching at Florida and the other place the other
big sports network had Ohio State played LSU, and I
saw you in the hallway. I said, hey, I was
doing a commercial break. I said, hey, coach, get over here.
What's this game going to look like? And you told
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me off the air, you said, blah blah blah blah blah.
And it looked exactly like you told me it was
going to look like. And then I went on the
air and I pretended that I knew that, and I
didn't give you any credit. I just said, you know,
here's what the game is going to look like. I
guarantee you. So anyway, now everybody knows that so tonight,
I'm not asking for a score. What do you think
the game looks like tonight? What should I what kind
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of tempo pace? What does it look like?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Ohio State twenty twenty four was a slow starting team
and the Wolverine game was really bad as far as
a slow start. They actually fell behind Marshall seven to nothing.
I remember, you know we had we were there, and
I've obviously I watch other games against Tennessee. Something happened,
and I think all the criticism about Chip Kelly and
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Ryan Day not being created enough, not being exposed enough,
not getting the best players of ball, they went after
him like I mean, I mean it was we saw
the scores, the score, the game was over in the
first quarter. Yeah, I'm more. I hope they don't do that.
I hope they're conscientious about how aggressive they are. Because
I went back and watched Texas. Texas has this will
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be the best secondary, this will be the best defensive
line in Ohio State still is three offensive linemen down upfront.
I think you see how that defense played. The fans
don't want to hear that, but you got to go
win this game. How do you go win the game?
See how your defense plays managed the game. I would
not be reckless in that first quarter, I think against Tennessee,
and I mean I loved it. It was fantastic, but you
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overmatched Oregon. You had better players in Oregon. You had
much better players in Tennessee. Tonight, I think they I
think they have the better roster. But I think it's
fairly close.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Very excited Urban Meyer, Fox Sports College Football. He's on
the big noon kickoff. And you were inducted into the
Orange Bowl Hall of Fame last night. How about that?
And then and so you drove the.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Penn State fans were the Penn State fans didn't like that,
and Notre Dame fans were getting after Brady or Matt Leiner.
So it was I looked at the Orange Bowl gall
and I says, Holy Caly, that happened. She happens every year. Yeah,
I mean, if there's fans at the other school, yeah,
you get hammered pretty good.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So it's fun though.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Notre Dame fans, Notre Dame fans are I don't know.
I've told you this before. You had an opportunity to
take a Notre Dame job, and you didn't. I know
that you don't want to say that you're a humble guy.
But Notre Dame. You were an assistant there for years,
and I'm watching them last night. I love when Notre
Dame's good. There's just I mean, when you were on
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that campus, you had a Florida job, you had an
Ohio State job, you did smaller colleges. Did Notre Dame
feel a little different, all things considered, But there's.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
No place like it. I made the comment that I
got a little choked up the first time when I
saw them win a couple of weeks ago against Georgia.
You know, who'd have thought in this day and age
that they would basically control a game against the University
of Georgia and SEC powerhouse. I know I recruited there.
I made the comment that I remember when you hear
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those words lake effect coming off of Lake Michigan. There's
only a certain type of player that you can recruit
to Notre Dame. December January. It's changed a little bit,
but I mean, academics are real. You know, there's seventy
five hundred students there. How many students go to the game?
Call it seventy it's it's it's it's incredible. Place. It's
the purity of college football. I love their coach, I
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love that place. And I was the same as you
when Notre Dame's great, it's good for great for college football,
good senior coach, good senior college.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
All right, the great Urban Meyer. Yeah, it's a if
you love college football and the traditions and the stadiums.
And I thought last night was just so rich. Uh,
it's the fabric of college football starts with To me,
it doesn't start with the SEC. When I was a
kid growing up, Washington was great, Ohio State was great,
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Penn State, Notre Dame, Michigan. It was cold weather teams
that were great. I mean, USC always had a bunch
of players. Texas was hit and miss, but Nebraska was great.
SEC wasn't as dominant like Georgia. You know, the Herschel
Walker Georgia team with Buck Balo at quarterback. One of
Natty didn't. I don't know if they completed more than
one or two passes. But I mean when I when
I kind of think of college football and it's his
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it was a lot of these northern powers, and then
over the last twenty years it's kind of veered down
into Sunshine States. But I just think there's something pretty
cool about Penn State Michigan. I mean, I was just
thinking this last night watching it with Jmac. I'm thinking,
are we going to get a big ten final off
Michigan's win? I mean, what? What? Because right now, I
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mean SEC fans the new guy in the neighborhood, Texas
is their last shot. It's either going to be Northern
power Ohio State or northern power Notre Dame. I'll tell
you then. I'll just tell you this right now, Ohio
State Notre Dame television rating maybeat USC Texas.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
What's your line for that? Who? How much is Ohio's
day favored by over Notre Dame? Yeah, I because Texas
is power. I would got to be bigger than six.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Six and a half. I think Ohio State would win.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I think it might be seven and a half, maybe
maybe higher.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I don't even know if i'd want to, I will.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You've watched this Notre Dame offense now closely the last
couple games.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
They don't have months cold. Yeah, but I've watched this
coaching staff in this second area. Yeah, no, definitely, and
they came out of it pretty healthy last night, didn't
They Riley.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Offensive Lineman went down.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I don't know if it's serious or long term, but
I think if you're a Notre Dame fan, you're probably
rooting Texas.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Here, right. Oh, I think Notre Dame could beat Texas.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Don't I don't rooting for Texas. You want to see that?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, I think they could beat Texas. I'm not saying
they would. They'd be an underdog, but I could see
Notre Dame getting into Texas's head.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Penn State receivers had zero catches. Jeremiah Smith will have
three on the first drive.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
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Speaker 1 (24:07):
I want to thank Urban Meyer for stopping by. Jordan
Schultz is going to be joining us coming up next hour.
He's got all sorts of information. There's a lot of
stuff percolating on the Raiders and the Raiders job and
the Jets job. There is all sorts of information out there.
Ohio State, Texas. Tonight, J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
On the news. This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
All right, Let's start with Tyreek Hill. Remember how he
refused to go into the game in week eighteen against
the Jets and then he win and he said, bro
I'm out of here. Well, yesterday his agent stepped up,
Drew Rosenhaus and said, Tyreek at the end of the
day is committed to the Miami Dolphins for just this
is going to be an off season side show. My
guess is that they try to move him quietly before
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it becomes like a big, huge story.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I totally agree.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I don't know if that's going to be easy, because
I don't think that there's this, Hey, we got to
get Tyreek Hill in the building, Like, I don't think
anybody out there saying that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So Stefan Diggs left Buffalo, they still dominated, Tyreek Hill
left Kansas City, still dominated. Zay Flowers hurt for the Ravens,
still nine and a half point favorites. Start looking at
all the teams with star receivers Ceedee Lamb and the
Cowboys didn't make the playoffs. I mean, you just start
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looking around at the best wide but yet the best
running backs in the league, the Lions Saquon Barkley, start
looking around. Buffalo got James Cook, Derek Henry. The running
backs now equal winning the receivers equal, big contrast.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
So everybody's trying to piece together why this happened or
how it happened. I saw stat that the top six
running teams in the NFL all made the playoffs. That's
the first time it's ever happened. And I think a
lot of it has to do with the two high,
the cover two safeties right, the safeties deep. We don't
want to give up the play. Fine, we'll just take
Saint Kwon Barkley at five or six yards a clip.
And that's what the smart teams are doing, while everyone
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else is like, Oh, we don't want to run, we
want to pass. I don't I don't need to get
Tyreek kill in the building. If I'm a playoff team, right,
I don't think he puts me over the top.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Not at that price point, No, no no interest whatsoever. Yeah,
and the also something we have we both you and
I know is the college football There is like this year,
for instance, it's a very good offensive line draft. It's
a great running back draft, and once again it's a
very strong wide receivers draft. So when a business furnishes
you with certain employees, it gives you an advantage as
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a general manager. There is no reason unless you have
Jamar Chase Justin Jefferson, there are very few receivers. I'm
just gonna give massive contracts to I mean, Devonte Adams
since he left Green Bay, can't win games, Raiders, Jezz
what's the again? Like him? How much am I gonna
pay him?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
And there's two tight ends who we love, the Penn
State and Michigan Loveland. They're not quite Rock Bowers, but
they're not far below him. It's a good draft. We're
gonna have a lot of fun leading up to the draft.
Next story is good news for the Eagles. Jalen Hurts
has cleared concussion protocol as expected. He is now in
line to start against the Packers. He had a good
game in the season opener against the Packers. He did
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though two picks, but dead two touchdowns. Two hundred and
seventy eight yards got the win. I think we expected
him to be cleared. Obviously, this is very good news.
And now the question is what about the other quarterback,
Jordan Love. Is he really hurt or no?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Listen, green Bay. Green Bay is a team that started
the year strangely and finished the year strangely. I mean
they had injuries to start and they surprised us being
effected with Malik Willis, and then at the end of
the year they Saim play very well and he had
a couple of key injuries, and I just don't like
where Green Bay is today. By the way, I like
the Denvers in the playoffs, but they kind of struggled
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in their last two or three starts. So like Denver
and Green Bay coming to the weekend against the Bills
playing great and the Eagles playing great. I don't love
big favorites, love them both. I just think Philadelphia, if
you go take out the last week when they rest people,
you go for about a six since week four or five.
Go look we had it earlier. Go look at Jalen
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Hurts numbers since week four. Jim, it's like MVP stuff.
They're just not asking him because Lamar and Josh are
so great, and Darnold's getting so much of our attention
we forget how good Baker Mayfield's been this year and
how good Jalen Hurts has been this year. So I
think this is a tough spot in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, I like the Eagles. I would consider Packers in
the first half because the Eagles are a slow starting teams,
poor game plans, and then they turn it on the
second half. Lafloor, of course a good, very good coach.
So I think Packers are really competitive, may lead at
the half. That if you're interested in that kind of
That final story, Colin is the Raiders. They parted ways
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with you, Tom Telesco after one season. They also jumped
their head coach, Antonio Pierce. According to Pro Football Talk,
the timing of Telesco's firing shows the GM was let
go to clear the decks, or a new head coach
to hire someone he's more familiar with. As a GM this,
I mean that sounds extremely logical. I think that's fair
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to draw that conclusion. The question is who is the
head coach? Because I don't think you let just any
head coach come in. I can You're not let Aaron
Glenn come in and pick his GM.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I can tell you this. Rabel was not on the
Raiders radar two weeks ago, three weeks ago. You know,
obviously Mark Davis had some idea he was firing Antonio
Piers two to three weeks ago. At that time, Rabel
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wasn't on the radar. So I think Tom Brady now
has significant influence. I mean Brady essentially, it's feel like
is running the Raiders. I mean that's I mean there's
no coach and there's no GM, and that means the
GM staff. A lot of those people will be like, oh,
so I don't know what they're I don't know what
they're doing. Rabel's a very good candidate. This is not
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a very good job.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Is it possible that Rabel looked at the Patriots, talked
to an interviewed and was just like, I don't I
don't really want to follow Belichick. This is not a
winning proposition for me. I don't caring.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
What about New England isn't good? Ownership? Quarterback is set
and I'm gonna have personnel connections.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Are you already been there, done that? You know, maybe
he wants to go west hang out with Brady maybe
his wife likes Vegas. There's a lot of stuff we
don't know. And Frankly, if I get to come in
and day Mike, you want the job, you could pick
there gm Oh really, I don't know that the Pictriots
are lett him do that?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Right? Well? Wolf Wolf they let go of Gerd Mayo,
but I think Wolf retained his job, didn't Hey, yeah,
and then by the way, he got Drake may right.
I mean, we'll see if the class is any good, but.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
We don't know if they'd have the negative history. I
don't know. I'm fascinated by what comes next to the
Raiders because if they go Rabel and then Aaron Rodgers,
you know, that is all of a sudden maybe the
most interesting team in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Now. But here's the thing. You have to consider this.
I mean I said this when USC joined the Big
Ten with Harbaugh leaving James Franklin's never been a big
game coach, right, and Ryan Day was sort of you know,
hit and miss I was like, well, you already play
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Oregon moving to the Big Ten is easier than Oklahoma
going to the SEC, where I've got Kirby Smart, Josh Hypel, Lane, Kiffen,
Sark like right, So when I look at the Raiders job,
it is impossible for me not to see Mahomes, Herbert
Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Jim Harball. If Rabel took that job,
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that is the best coaching division in the history of
the sport. You have to consider a lot of things
when you enter a position. So one of the reasons
I like New England, I get stability in a quarterback.
But they're at a low point because Gerrod Mayo looked
over his skis. Well, I mean Antonio Pearce didn't look
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over his skis. You Sho didn't have a quarterback. So
I mean anything you do in New If you won
seven games in New England and you had a good draft,
people would be like, hey, the future is here. If
you won eight games with the Raiders, people would be like, yo,
Kansas City won twelve, Harball won eleven, Peyton won ten.
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You're a doormat Peyton twice a year, Harbaugh twice a year,
Andy Reid twice a year.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Well, you know, okay, So McVeigh remember in eighteen McVeigh
could have played his guys, and I think there was
a chance that they could have moved up. He didn't
care who he was facing. Is it the Vikings, is
it the Lions? I don't care. I'm resting my guys.
I'm good. I think we can handle both those teams.
Some of these coaches are just ultra confident, and it's
possible if Rabel says, okay, Sean Payton had a good year,
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so Chargers look at that roster. You could argue Raiders
have as much talent maybe as the Chargers. Chargers don't
have a lot of offensive talent. And I just these coaches
are cocky and arrogant. And this is gonna be real
interesting because that would be the best coaching division in
the league, like by a considerable amount. We'll see who
the Bears get. That division hasn't well.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I mean, let's be honest about it. It's the same
in the NFC North, Dan Campbell, Matt Lafleur, Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
That's a tough division.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Now, but I go to New England. We don't know
if Sean mcdermot's gonna be there if they get bounced
in the playoffs. Who's the Jets coach this week? And
Mike McDaniel, you know, loves him, but like they can't
play when it gets chili. So I mean that, I
mean the New England job owner quarterback division. Listen, you
almost have an advantage coaching the Patriots because if you
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don't beat Josh Allen he's so great, people are like, well,
I mean that's unrealistic. To beat Josh Allen, you almost
get a built and when you had, like when you
had to go in Elway's division or Brady's division, it
was understood. Or Peyton Manning's division, you're playing for a
wild card.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Who's the last time the Raiders went to a super Bowl?
I don't even know. But Belichick been to the Super
Bowl a billion times. In New England, it became expected.
I think they're bigger expectations in New England.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, as oppose you go to the Raiders, they man
just win some games, get us to the playoff. Let
me thrill.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, but I like it. I like expectations. I want
my bosses to think, let's do great things together, you know,
go for the silver just doesn't fire me up. J mcklenews.
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Speaker 1 (36:12):
So I like Ohio State tonight to beat Texas. I
think both programs have splash players and five star guys.
So I think Texas has been inconsistent all year. I
can't get my arms around him. I'm not sure. I
love quinn Ewers, he's hit and missed. To me, Will
Howard played terrible against Michigan. Big strong guy, moves well.
I think Ohio State is over the last couple of games.
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Has played with an intensity and sort of a singular
focus that is hard to duplicate. They we see this sometimes.
We've seen it in the NFL playoffs, and we've seen
it in the college football. Some teams just get hot
and they're just on a mission. And I think that's
what Ohio State is. Here's Ryan Day on facing the
Horns tonight.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
I think that when you think about, you know, the
players and the coaches in this new format week after week,
the work that they're putting in, but also for our fans,
the links that they've come to. You know, decide to
get on a plane and you know buy tickets to
come to this game and then throughout the country. You know,
I think it all matters, and I think it's great
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for college football, and it's great for Ohio State, and
it's great for Texas.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah. I think it's gonna be a lot of a
little bit of a wild shootout. It's gonna be a
lot of fun. I think both coaches are safe if
they lose. But I will say three of the top
five winning his programs in the history of college football
are left Urban Meyer was on earlier. I think you
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and I are both what we noticed last night, Riley Leonard,
who I like more than everybody else, and Drew Aller,
they're they're not first round quarterbacks. Quinn Ewers and Will
Howard are not first round quarterbacks. This is a down
year for quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Last year was unbelievable. Michael Pennix and Bo Nixon the
same conference.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
J J.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
McCarthy, You know, I mean Caleb Williams, I mean, look
at all the Look at all the West Coast quarterbacks
that have flourished. Pennix, Bo Nicks, Caleb, Jayden Daniels down
in the SEC. Last year was an unbelievable all time
quarterback draft class this year. I think cam Ward's the
most talented, Chadure's the most polished. It's it's a it's
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a pretty average class. But here's Urban saying earlier he
thinks quinn Ewrs, not arch Manning, gives them the best
chance to win at Texas.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
He's going to be a great player. When I watched,
and I did, I went back and watched a bunch
of his tape. It's not like he's overwhelming yet. It's
not like he comes in the game and it's just
he blows the doors off of everybody else. So I
don't see that drastic, you know, I do believe arch
Manning at some point will be a high draft pick
and all that that time is not now, and so
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I think he's doing the right thing with can you
Quinn yours has one of the big games? Do you
make it? Do you do the Nick Saban? Which is
one of the gutsiest move I've ever seen in that
kind of scenario. Only Sark knows that because we're not
privy to being in practice and what Arts is really
capable of doing. What I've seen, He's got a great future.
But right now, cowin Yewrs is the best opportunity to win.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, it's really interesting that. One of the things that
I really like about college football now is like Sark
is like, you're not going to go in defeed anymore.
You just got to get over that stuff. You got
to get over it. Ohio State lost twice, and I
think they look like the best team in the country
by a touchdown, and they lost twice once the twenty
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point favorite the minute. Penn State, had they won last
night and gone to the Natty, would have played seventeen games.
That's an NFL schedule with kids. So it's like, it's
just college football now. I always thought one of my
knocks on college football there weren't enough big games. Everybody
was afraid to schedule big games out of conference because
if you lost, you got knocked out of the national championship.
So the unintended benefit of the playoff is teams are
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now going to start scheduling tougher out of conference games.
It's okay. I mean, USC had Notre Dame in LSU
out of conference and then played A and M in
a bowl game. It's okay. You can lose games. And
I just think college football now, I always felt like
in college football before this year. By late October, ninety
percent of the teams, ninety five percent of the teams,
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we're out of the natty discussion. Well, in the NFL,
we know there's like six teams that can't win opening Day,
another six by Thanksgiving that are ridiculous. But you're kind
of you're down. You've got about a dozen teams at Thanksgiving.
You're you're like, well, if they get healthy and hot,
and Sark talked about it yesterday, like college football now
it is over. It's change now.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
I think in this day and age of college football,
to think that you're just gonna go unblemished is probably
not realistic, especially not in our two conferences with the
you know, the amount of quality teams that you have
to play week in and week out, and the grind
that it puts on your on your team, not only
physically but mentally. And it's I think the ones that
can be standing here January ninth and tenth playing for
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an opportunity to play for a national championship.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I think, you know, the credit is due to all
four teams.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
And the other thing you have to consider, and this
is going to upset people in the SEC when you
watch Penn State in Notre Dame, in Ohio State, they
look better than those southern teams. That wasn't the case
two years ago. What has happened a lot of money
in those northern schools, a lot a lot of money
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at Notre Dame, a lot of money at Michigan, a
lot of money at Ohio State, a lot of money
Penn State boosters. And I think college football programs have
gone after the SEC and poached and rated the SEC's
rosters to a higher level than Big ten rosters. And
so I think, I think what you're looking at is
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happening now. Everybody's going to the SEC and saying, like
I watched Georgia this year. The minute they had an
offensive line is injury. Georgia's old line was nothing. It
was average, And so I think, I mean, and you
lose brock Bowers and Lad Maconkey and you think, well
we're Georgia. Well, all it takes is one injury to
another receiver, you're out of players. I mean, that's all
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it takes. So the SEC teams still have very good players,
but they do not have the depth they had three
years ago. They do not have the depth and the
SEC is such a physical league that they probably, if
you looked it up, have more injuries than other leagues,
so you lose depth, you have more injuries. There's more
good teams in the SEC than other conferences, and they're
all beating each other up. And now even Georgia doesn't
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have the depth. Alabama doesn't have the depth, LSU didn't
have the depth. So I don't know. I mean, I'm
looking at these northern teams. Michigan was better than every
SEC team last year. Ohio State's better than every SEC team.
I think Notre Dame just proved it with Georgia. They're
better than every SEC team. And I think I think
Penn State and Oregon could have gone toe to toe
with anybody. I think Oregon could have beaten every SEC team.
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They just ran into buzzsaw called Ohio State. And I'm
not sure Texas can hang tonight. We'll see our three
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